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| 01:13.31 | ageis | sf bay area, securedrop hackathon at noisebridge tonight. https://cointel.pro/securedrop-hackathon-2017/ get out here! |
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| 02:00.18 | ryouma | i find that kernel upgrades screw with /dev/disk/by-id names like /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Crucial_*. so i prefer to use uuid. but there are no uuid for entire drives (like sdb). so i use /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Crucial_* when i run grub-install. should i use /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-* instead? |
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| 02:05.36 | simbalion | Hi, /var/log/messages and /var/log/user.log aren't being rotated, so I created special entries for each in /etc/logrotate.d/ and when I do logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf the output says "No logs found. Rotation not needed". But they are over the size I specified (1000k). Can someone help? |
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| 02:36.15 | windblow | hi, does anybody experience major hdd load spikes using kde? |
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| 02:37.26 | windblow | kde itself runs fine, hdd loads for a long while when opening the application launcher |
| 02:39.22 | simbalion | I fixed the no logs found error, my config was clashing with /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog. Now however, logrotate reports that it's taking a lot of actions which ls does not show the results of. After logrotate runs saying it moved files and compressed things and truncated and whatever, none of the files are changed |
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| 03:01.46 | nox_ | hello :) |
| 03:01.49 | larvallid | I am running Debian 9.1.0. When shutting down, the message appears on the screen "[FAILED] Failed unmounting /home/username". I have a partition mounted to /home/username for personal files, automatically mounted on boot using an fstab entry. |
| 03:04.05 | nox_ | hmm before crypt? |
| 03:04.53 | larvallid | nox_, replying to me? |
| 03:05.50 | nox_ | yes |
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| 03:07.07 | larvallid | nox_, I'm not using disk encryption on this machine. |
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| 03:09.15 | nox_ | okay. i am new on linux :D but is only a message? |
| 03:11.42 | larvallid | nox_, Yes, it's just a message that appears when I shut down. I don't know if there is any data loss and want to prevent that. |
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| 03:21.32 | nox_ | but no Temporary Directory on your home? |
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| 04:08.36 | dfgsdfg | Have you try pantheon GUI in debian stretch |
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| 04:59.30 | Laserburn | anyone else having issues with nrpe after updating icinga? |
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| 06:41.27 | mandeep | what's the default compositing manager in the stretch mate distro? |
| 06:42.20 | mandeep | does marco handle compositing as well? |
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| 07:05.15 | ak102 | are there any AMD drivers available for Xorg 1.19 |
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| 07:16.39 | mender27 | Hello, anyone else having problems with building the 340xx nvidia module on Testing? |
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| 07:16.51 | cruncher | ak102, i guess you are asking for propietary drivers for an older gpu, the answer is no |
| 07:16.53 | coruja | ak102, apt search xorg amd |
| 07:17.10 | ak102 | Not that much older its an r7 250 |
| 07:17.24 | cruncher | ak102, so no |
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| 07:17.37 | cruncher | fgrlx doesnt work with 1.19 |
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| 07:17.58 | ak102 | wow thanks i have been using 'apt-cache search' i didnt know about 'apt search' |
| 07:18.18 | cruncher | ak102, in theory, the newer amdpro driver should support the older cards to some content... try it out |
| 07:18.22 | ak102 | shit i upgraded to testing for this |
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| 07:19.26 | ak102 | this always happens |
| 07:20.28 | N3V3RM1^D | How can i change my fanspeed manually? |
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| 07:21.26 | mender27 | ak102: does the open-source radeon driver not work for you? |
| 07:21.43 | cruncher | ak102, and by "try it out" i mean search about it on the net on how it can be done |
| 07:21.44 | ak102 | fglrx? |
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| 07:22.02 | ak102 | i don't think it does |
| 07:22.13 | ak102 | but i'll look into it a little bit |
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| 07:23.28 | mender27 | fglrx is the old (and outdated) proprietary stack |
| 07:25.11 | mender27 | I wouldn't personally use it unless there is no other solution. |
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| 07:34.05 | cruncher | N3V3RM1^D, on what hardware? |
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| 07:47.31 | N3V3RM1^D | cruncher: Sorry, i have intel cpu and nvidia grpahics |
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| 07:47.53 | cruncher | N3V3RM1^D, i meant more laptop/pc? |
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| 07:50.18 | cruncher | N3V3RM1^D, but in general, you want to read into lm-sensors and see if fancontrol supports your hardware |
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| 07:51.15 | luxio | Will netinst recognize my network if I'm tethering via USB from my phone? |
| 07:51.30 | N3V3RM1^D | cruncher: No fancontrol doesn't support my hardware. |
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| 07:52.27 | N3V3RM1^D | pwmconfig says there are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed. |
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| 07:53.27 | N3V3RM1^D | cruncher: https://pastebin.com/eMaJuSnr my hardware specs.. |
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| 07:56.39 | cruncher | N3V3RM1^D, you could check the bios if there is a "silent" option or similar. Also, nvidia-settings has an otion to set the speed. further of that, i dont think there is anything else |
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| 07:59.39 | N3V3RM1^D | cruncher: alright thx :) |
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| 08:06.39 | simbalion | Is it safe to delete ~/.xsession-errors.old? it's 28gb |
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| 08:09.30 | eck | uh, what's in it? |
| 08:09.34 | eck | i mean, it should be safe |
| 08:09.37 | eck | but why is it 28gb |
| 08:09.46 | simbalion | I think it's a log of application errors? |
| 08:10.04 | simbalion | I don't want to open it in gedit and have it slow down my system while gedit tries to load 28gb of text |
| 08:10.35 | simbalion | I use Wine a lot so I'm guessing that's probably why it'd be so large |
| 08:11.11 | eck | it's probably the same error a million times |
| 08:11.27 | eck | if you open it with less it should be fine and not slow down your system |
| 08:11.34 | eck | less ~/.xsession-errors.old |
| 08:12.16 | simbalion | maybe a tail |
| 08:12.22 | eck | that would work too |
| 08:12.42 | simbalion | ah I think it's related to conky, at least the last 100 lines of it are |
| 08:13.43 | simbalion | Thanks for your help! |
| 08:13.47 | eck | np |
| 08:16.12 | hexnewbie | What are debtags on packages.debian.org for? Can you search for them? |
| 08:16.53 | hexnewbie | Like, the link on a package leads me here: https://packages.debian.org/about/debtags#made-of::font - is there an actually useful page to go to? |
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| 08:35.35 | tangorri_ | hi, I try to run debian install on freenas VM (bhyve) but I got this error : ACPI error : Could not enable Real time Clock then kernel panic |
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| 09:35.52 | GNU\colossus | what's a recommended, USB-based wifi dongle for Debian? |
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| 09:36.29 | bazhang | from the debian HCL? |
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| 09:51.21 | g0zzy | Is it just me or is hplip laaaaame? |
| 09:52.19 | bazhang | you |
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| 09:54.41 | g0zzy | Maybe it's the package maintainer. I've tried running hp-setup on wheezy and stretch and it failed on both, owing to missing dependencies |
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| 09:57.17 | mender27 | g0zzy: were there any recommended packages while installing? |
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| 09:58.37 | g0zzy | Well actually i didn't install explicitly. de already had it |
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| 09:59.24 | g0zzy | /usr/share/doc/hplip-doc/devicemanager.html contains typos in the images, which doesn't inspire confidence. I'd correct it/them were the source under github |
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| 10:04.00 | g0zzy | Printers are imho an Achilles heel when you tell someone "Don't use Windows, use Linux". Of course, that's not the fault of Linux but of course, the user has little interest/comprehension of that |
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| 10:06.26 | g0zzy | has to say on a recent occasion the 'use HP printers - they usually work' approach failed miserably |
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| 10:18.03 | psylence | Hey good people. So first time in long (if ever) apt-get dist-upgrade (going from stretch to buster) broke something. |
| 10:18.08 | psylence | And that something is MPD. |
| 10:18.30 | psylence | MPD tells me that there is no output plugin 'pulseaudio'. |
| 10:18.44 | nkuttler | !tell psylence about debian-next |
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| 10:19.02 | psylence | Oh man. |
| 10:19.16 | psylence | Annoying, to be honest. |
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| 10:25.52 | mender27 | g0zzy: you're quite write with the printer business. My father was lucky to get his HP printer to work with very little help on Linux Mint. |
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| 10:31.06 | g0zzy | Getting a working used one is safer. Then you can find out more easily about driver support |
| 10:31.50 | g0zzy | But of course consumer-grade printers are often junk hardware |
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| 10:35.03 | mender27 | Depends on the purpose mostly. If it's just getting images and text on paper, I guess it's good enough. |
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| 11:33.43 | BluesKaj | why are all these important libs and files tied to pulseaudio? https://paste.debian.net/982206/ if I try to purge or even just remove pulse and pulse utils all files are slated to be removed as well, is this to make pulseaudio default for all setups , even those that don't need it? Kind of heavy handed . |
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| 11:35.32 | BluesKaj | on debian 9 |
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| 11:36.16 | nkuttler | BluesKaj: which command did you actually use? |
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| 11:39.11 | mender27 | BluesKaj: as far as I know, even Firefox nowadays depends on PA. |
| 11:40.37 | mender27 | Also, if libreoffice (and other potentially relevant packages) is suggested for autoremoval, it means it was pulled in as a deps for something previously. |
| 11:40.38 | dutchfish | mender27, all major browsers can be diverted to use jack as well, alsa or pulseaudio all hooked up to it. just fyi. |
| 11:40.49 | BluesKaj | mender27, yes that's why I use chrome, ..just used the regular apt remove or apt purge command and that url was the output |
| 11:41.27 | mender27 | dutchfish: perhaps, but is pulseaudio not considered the "default" still? |
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| 11:42.01 | dutchfish | mender27, that depends on what desktop and window manager you prefer, some have quircky lib dependecies. |
| 11:42.27 | mender27 | dutchfish: I stand corrected, you're right. I just tried removing pulseaudio and nothing got taken with it. |
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| 11:42.48 | dutchfish | mender27, but indeed the default debian desktop wants pulseaudio (not my favorite, but easy for lots of us) |
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| 11:43.44 | dutchfish | mender27, if you not scared of by a miriad of problems, delve into cadence and claudia for a proffesional rt audio setup. |
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| 11:44.04 | mender27 | I'm running XFCE4, Firefox and parole and indeed neither of them explicitly relies on Pulseaudio. |
| 11:44.07 | dutchfish | mender27, even without pulse |
| 11:44.48 | mender27 | dutchfish: I'm alright with ALSA as I'm used to semi-manual configuration from the BSDs :). |
| 11:44.55 | BluesKaj | mender27, nkuttler something has drastically changed in stretch because this didn't occur after I installed stretch a few weeks ago and managed to purge pulseaudio without any dangerous consequences... I has troubles with grphics which i couldn't fix so I reinstalled stretch with the latest image yesterday..I'm on kde/plasma |
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| 11:45.03 | mender27 | Granted, I prefer PA on my laptop for ease of use. |
| 11:45.06 | dutchfish | mender27, xfce and related are very nasty things to setup for audio, if you are really after a professional audio setup kde and the 2 mentioned applications are your ticket to succes. |
| 11:45.24 | BluesKaj | i had troubles |
| 11:45.51 | mender27 | dutchfish: no no, my setup is extremely basic (internal speakers + hotpluggable headphones). |
| 11:45.55 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, nothing has changed since release, except for security fixes. |
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| 11:46.18 | BluesKaj | this is certainly odd then |
| 11:46.23 | mender27 | BluesKaj: I would inspect some of the KDE apps. Perhaps one of them relies on PA exclusively somehow. |
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| 11:47.07 | dutchfish | mender27, to keep it simple life with pulse then, it isnt as bad as many want you to believe, ones it is proper setup. It prolly is your window manager that lacks many of the nice features. |
| 11:47.36 | mender27 | dutchfish: yes, the default metapackage for XFCE doesn't really include audio control :P. |
| 11:47.47 | dutchfish | i rest my case |
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| 11:48.00 | BluesKaj | yeah it's kde-standard and kde-task-desktop |
| 11:48.40 | BluesKaj | don't theink xfce uses pulse as default |
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| 11:49.33 | mender27 | BluesKaj: it doesn't, true. I'm using base ALSA now and volumeicon-alsa for hotkey controls. |
| 11:50.05 | dutchfish | have a peak at the modules (which i compiled for my setup, using them on daily occurences, for all the audio nitty gritty i ever could wish for) not the os tho, only the applications which i compiled for stretch to use jack and friends http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications |
| 11:50.19 | mender27 | dutchfish: Pulse has gotten a lot better through the years, right? :) |
| 11:50.24 | BluesKaj | right I prefer alsa as well |
| 11:50.30 | dutchfish | mender27, yes, i think so |
| 11:50.46 | dutchfish | mender27, it totally depends on your needs |
| 11:51.02 | dutchfish | personally i love jack |
| 11:51.21 | BluesKaj | looking for a method to remove pulse safely |
| 11:51.30 | dutchfish | and its real time module for high quality audio rendering |
| 11:51.44 | mender27 | dutchfish: my laptop is one of those "HDMI-first" cases. Pulse cleared that up nicely. |
| 11:51.58 | BluesKaj | or disable it compltely so it doesn't interfere |
| 11:52.03 | dutchfish | mender27, yes, for me too on the latest radeon cards |
| 11:52.21 | mender27 | dutchfish: ah, you have a DP or HDMI radeon then? |
| 11:52.35 | mender27 | As in, with the sound add-on kind of. |
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| 11:52.47 | dutchfish | mender27, both, but rx480 and rx580 worked out of the box |
| 11:53.07 | dutchfish | sorry for the offtopic |
| 11:54.08 | dutchfish | for xfce and pulseaudio, why not ask the channel for #xfce? |
| 11:54.09 | mender27 | BluesKaj: I think what you could do is to install some of those packages explicitly and then try to remove pulseaudio to see whether it's a dependency issue. |
| 11:54.57 | dutchfish | easier way: use apt-rdepends to find out |
| 11:55.12 | mender27 | Ah, that, sorry, yeah. dutchfish is right :). |
| 11:55.58 | BluesKaj | mender27, it is or seems to be, because i did remove all those listed in the url and ended up reinstalling them all due to breakage |
| 11:56.04 | g0zzy | iirc the Devuan Jessie xfce desktop installs alsa |
| 11:56.58 | BluesKaj | alsa is default on most popular linux distros and flavours |
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| 11:58.05 | BluesKaj | g0zzy, pulse rides on top of alsa as a sound server, alsa is always preent |
| 11:58.11 | BluesKaj | present |
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| 11:58.39 | rnix | hi, is it possible to use environment variables in debian/install to define target locations? |
| 11:58.48 | rnix | during packaging |
| 11:59.22 | rnix | e.g. debian/source $TARGET_DIR/target |
| 11:59.31 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, i switch it on and off with Cadence, whenever i need it, it totally depends on your needs. Some applications depends on it. |
| 12:00.14 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, linux audio could fill a whole book easely .... |
| 12:02.06 | mender27 | dutchfish: you forgot about OSS :D. |
| 12:02.18 | dutchfish | mender27, no i didnt ;) |
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| 12:02.24 | mender27 | ^^" |
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| 12:03.07 | mender27 | rnix: do you mean the dir where the ready package ends up? |
| 12:04.08 | mender27 | Need to run. I'll be on later o/. |
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| 12:04.35 | dutchfish | pragmatic approach: stick to debians setup for your windowmanager in regards to audio; learn linux audio by reading; stat expirimenting with the audio systems you prefer. And ask the correct channel for your window manager. These problems are not so much Debian related, you find them on any distro. |
| 12:04.58 | g0zzy | BluesKaj: my point is that pulse is absent (iirc) |
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| 12:06.15 | dutchfish | g0zzy, is xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin installed? |
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| 12:06.57 | g0zzy | I can't remember now |
| 12:07.11 | BluesKaj | dutchfish, I've purged puleaudio many time sbefore this without all these libs and apps being pulled out along with it , something is dratically differnt vs 2 weeks ago in debian stretch |
| 12:07.32 | BluesKaj | drastically different |
| 12:07.59 | g0zzy | Sure it isn't RedHat? ;) |
| 12:08.06 | BluesKaj | heh\ |
| 12:08.07 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, have looked at your logs? |
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| 12:08.37 | BluesKaj | I haven't, but I will |
| 12:08.38 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, my systems work fine in regards to that (Debian stable amd64) |
| 12:08.51 | BluesKaj | yup same |
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| 12:09.35 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, changing wm's btw is a receipt for messing up audio dependecies ;) |
| 12:10.25 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, use apt and friends to find out, also aptitude in interactive mode. |
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| 12:36.59 | debtrying53 | Hello there, I'm writing a small bash script and I'm trying to output things in BOLD |
| 12:37.12 | debtrying53 | generally a "tput bold mytext" should work |
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| 12:37.50 | debtrying53 | However in my terminal the text is just shown in white instead, there's a way to fix it ? debian 9 just installed |
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| 12:40.12 | abrotman | debtrying53: ask #bash |
| 12:40.20 | debtrying53 | Thanks |
| 12:41.18 | BluesKaj | dutchfish, yep, thanks for the tip about aptitude. It managed to remove pulseaudio without any damage to the system. I wonder why apt was so mucked up in this case, anyway, thanks for the suggestions and help, much appreciated |
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| 12:48.24 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, yw |
| 12:49.12 | BluesKaj | :-) |
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| 12:58.26 | nvz | I'm barely awake right now but I have a remote machine running jessie that is booting to a root recovery prompt after someone hard reset it because they said it froze and all I know so far is that "touch this" worked so the filesystem is not readonly and init 2 failed to boot it normally, so I'm wondering if anyone can help me brainstorm what other common issues could be causing this to not boot aside from |
| 12:58.32 | nvz | filesystem errors? |
| 12:59.14 | nvz | I'm unable to ssh into it so its apparently not booted enough for that, and I'm having to try troubleshoot it over the phone with someone who doesnt know the shell |
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| 13:01.37 | teraflops | $deity bless ILO and serial terminals |
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| 13:02.14 | BluesKaj | dutchfish, do you use aptitude exclusively ? |
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| 13:03.57 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, nope, apt, apt-get, aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude interactive, depending on my current needs |
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| 13:04.25 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, there is no clear silver bullet in here |
| 13:04.28 | g0zzy | finds it absent by default in Stretch |
| 13:05.41 | BluesKaj | dutchfish, ok, that means I need to explore the differences since apt seems less selective about dependencies |
| 13:06.33 | dutchfish | roughly i use apt-get mostly for dist upgrading, aptitude for daily update tasks and apt/dpkg for tweaking |
| 13:07.15 | dutchfish | but there is no distinct preference for one or the other in general |
| 13:07.28 | teraflops | I barely used aptitude in my life, and now it seems it's not the recommended way iirc |
| 13:08.08 | dutchfish | teraflops, it goes back and forth depending on the debian release |
| 13:08.17 | teraflops | yeah it looks like it |
| 13:08.25 | dutchfish | teraflops, as stated in the release notes |
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| 13:09.03 | BluesKaj | yeah , I use dpkg/gdebi with .deb apps and was using apt for most orher updates and upgrades |
| 13:09.48 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, no harm on that, but sometimes aptitude seams to be forgotten, while it saved my proverbial behind on many occasions. |
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| 13:10.18 | BluesKaj | well, thanks to your advice it just saved mine ;-) |
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| 13:10.57 | dutchfish | it can ause problems too, sometimes, while dist-upgrading |
| 13:11.01 | dutchfish | cause* |
| 13:11.03 | BluesKaj | didn't think aptitude was even relevant anymore |
| 13:12.01 | nvz | how to do the equiv of dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to enlarge console font on jessie? |
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| 13:13.27 | dutchfish | nvz, what about `dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup` ? |
| 13:13.44 | nvz | it says console-setup is not even installed I assumed it was something else on jessie |
| 13:14.32 | dutchfish | nvz, as a last resort (my memory also is n ot that good) would be: editing /etc/default/console-setup directly. |
| 13:14.56 | nvz | chances are I'm going to have to make a 2 hour journey to go fix this machine because the person on the other end can barely read the console much less know what to do with it |
| 13:15.04 | dutchfish | nvz, there was also setfont .... but i am not sure if that is in jessie. |
| 13:15.20 | nvz | if they had any clue they would've tried sysrq before powering the machine down in the first place .. ugh |
| 13:16.35 | nvz | I was hoping that much would be easy, they'd do dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and get the same thing I see when I do it here on stretch armhf but they said dpkg said the package wasnt found |
| 13:16.43 | dutchfish | nvz, https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/console-setup.html |
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| 13:17.08 | dutchfish | nvz, it is not installed per default i gues |
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| 13:18.10 | nvz | well all I know so far is I had them run "touch this" and "ifconfig" and I know the network isnt up and the rootfs isn't readonly. I just went there two days ago, its a long haul involving two busses and a train |
| 13:18.25 | dutchfish | nvz, if i like at de bugs, it seams to be a bit crusty. |
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| 13:19.12 | dutchfish | nvz, just edit inside /etc/default/ that will work. |
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| 13:20.05 | nvz | so you think the /etc/default/console-config would still be there even if console-config isnt? |
| 13:20.26 | nvz | because afaik thats only read by console-setup |
| 13:21.04 | dutchfish | nvz, it is even in my stretch setup, so yes |
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| 13:21.33 | nvz | well its here on mine too, but i have dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 13:21.51 | nvz | which means I have the package installed, this machine apparently doesnt |
| 13:21.52 | JyZyXEL | what is the correct channel if you want to do something stupid, like install a ubuntu package on debian? |
| 13:22.31 | nvz | JyZyXEL: there isnt one really. you may be able to use a ssb type manuver to make it a debian package |
| 13:22.33 | dutchfish | nvz, the config is generated by the installer .debi on install time, so it should be there. |
| 13:22.57 | nvz | JyZyXEL: you want to make absolutely sure there is not some easier way to get this package first |
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| 13:23.50 | dutchfish | nvz, take a copy from yours along, just in case ;) |
| 13:24.08 | nvz | if I gotta go there I dont need to do this, its irrelevant to the issue |
| 13:24.23 | dutchfish | nvz, ah ok |
| 13:24.38 | JyZyXEL | nvz: a ubuntu xenial package was the closest thing i found, and im on jessie |
| 13:24.46 | BCMM | so i guess I didn't read apt update's output carefully enough before running it; because some stuff has been uninstalled that I did not want uninstalled. What's the best way to get a list of what precisely was removed? |
| 13:24.55 | BCMM | ideally i'd just l |
| 13:24.58 | JyZyXEL | i think those systems are reasonably close to eachother |
| 13:24.58 | nvz | I'll just get the damn thing working again.. but I was trying to debug it over the phone if possible. this would be an all day affair if I gotta go out there and cost me at least $7 |
| 13:25.07 | BCMM | ideally i'd just like a list of all packages removed today |
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| 13:25.57 | nvz | JyZyXEL: you'd be surprised how much difference there is when you install an ubuntu package I've done it before years ago and I would not recommend it. I'd sooner setup and ubuntu chroot and install it in there if I couldnt rebuild the package against debian dependencies |
| 13:26.12 | JyZyXEL | nvz: actually yeah, xenial is debian stretch, so there is probably no hope then |
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| 13:26.29 | nvz | JyZyXEL: how complex is this package and its dependencies? |
| 13:26.33 | dutchfish | BCMM, take a look in the logs /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 13:26.40 | BCMM | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 13:26.55 | JyZyXEL | nvz: quite complex https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa/+sourcepub/7670256/+listing-archive-extra |
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| 13:27.34 | JyZyXEL | but i think its probably built for another libc or something |
| 13:27.49 | nvz | yeah I'm in n shape to follow that link right now |
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| 13:28.56 | BCMM | oh wow, i *really* should have read that before i pressed yes... |
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| 13:29.02 | nvz | heh |
| 13:29.38 | dutchfish | BCMM, just be carefull, and analyze your logs. |
| 13:30.27 | BCMM | basically all of kde got uninstalled, and it will not reinstall because of stuff like "Depends: libkf5kcmutils5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 13:30.44 | BCMM | this would have been a fantastic time to just wait a day and try updating again (sid) |
| 13:31.30 | teraflops | oh sid + plasma5⦠|
| 13:31.37 | dutchfish | BCMM, there is a -s option on upgrade ;0, before you actually do it ... |
| 13:32.13 | BCMM | dutchfish: oh i know, i just clearly failed to read it properly :) |
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| 13:32.38 | BCMM | teraflops: in general? or regarding this specific thing? |
| 13:32.46 | teraflops | in general |
| 13:32.59 | dutchfish | BCMM, anyway its a nice learning expirience to untangle this stuff, no pun intended ... |
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| 13:33.33 | BCMM | yup. if i didn't want this to happen, i'd run stable i guess |
| 13:33.48 | dutchfish | BCMM, any sid user did already that lane |
| 13:34.04 | BCMM | dutchfish: i'm afraid i don't really understand |
| 13:34.16 | BCMM | so, the machine is still very usable, so long as i don't log out or anything |
| 13:34.25 | teraflops | it's sid, sometimes you have to wait, or take a look at incomong.debian.org |
| 13:34.26 | BCMM | i mean plasma's not installed, but it's still running |
| 13:34.31 | dutchfish | BCMM, i myself already did the same and had to learn that the hard way. |
| 13:34.39 | teraflops | incoming |
| 13:35.26 | BCMM | teraflops: yeah, i've done that before (seen a nice long list of uninstalls, and decided updates can wait till tomorrow) |
| 13:35.37 | BCMM | i'm just apparently *really* bad at skimming the uninstall list today |
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| 13:35.52 | BCMM | teraflops: what's incoming.d.o for? |
| 13:36.26 | teraflops | packages meant to be in sid eventually |
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| 13:37.25 | BCMM | so, when the repos become sensible again, what's the right way to fix it? will the uninstalled stuff get pulled back in due to the kde-desktop task? |
| 13:37.28 | teraflops | so if youre missing some stuff maybe it's already there |
| 13:37.55 | teraflops | BCMM: yeah |
| 13:38.18 | dutchfish | !dose |
| 13:38.24 | teraflops | well not the uninstalled, I'm missing all the conversation |
| 13:38.29 | dutchfish | hmm... https://qa.debian.org/dose/ |
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| 13:39.49 | dutchfish | also https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/unstable_main/index.html |
| 13:40.02 | teraflops | BCMM: if you reinstall kde-desktop task, yes |
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| 13:41.55 | BCMM | teraflops: ah, so it doesn't create a lasting dependency like a metapackage would; it's just a one-off? |
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| 13:43.49 | teraflops | BCMM: hmm, now I am in doubt, but if you uninstall a package explicitly, I cannot see how is a good thing it being installed magically |
| 13:44.15 | dD___ | I'm getting a "WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device smaller than corresponding PV size of X sectors. Was device resized?" many times message everytime I boot. I'm on an encrypted debian drive, and i resized a long time ago. At one point in time it started appearing. How can I fix or debug this? |
| 13:44.21 | zack_ | after a reboot last night on my debian 9 install gtk apps complain when i try to open them Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load a pixbuf from icon theme. |
| 13:44.21 | zack_ | This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be found. |
| 13:45.43 | tdn | I have a debian repository with a few packages that works for debian 8. The packages should work just fine for debian 9, however, if I add my repo as a source on debian 9, it cannot authenticate my repository - even though it is signed. What new requirements for signing repositories has been added from debian 8 to debian 9? |
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| 13:46.50 | BCMM | when it says "... but it is not going to be installed", is there an automatic way to follow that down to the actual source of the problem? |
| 13:47.29 | BCMM | i've been just trying to apt install that package, then the next one and so on until i get to "... but it is not installable" |
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| 13:49.03 | BCMM | dutchfish: thanks for linking dose, finally got round to actually clicking it |
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| 13:49.42 | dutchfish | BCMM, yw |
| 13:49.42 | BCMM | and surprise surprise, the majority of lines are "unsatisfied dependency on qtbase-abi-5-7-1" |
| 13:50.01 | BluesKaj | installing the last pkg in the depends list works sometimes, the rest will fllow |
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| 13:50.12 | BluesKaj | follow |
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| 13:50.45 | BCMM | huh, if i'm reading this right it's been like that since 2017-08-16 |
| 13:51.16 | BCMM | BluesKaj: in this case the root of the problem is "Package 'qtbase-abi-5-7-1' has no installation candidate" |
| 13:51.28 | BCMM | but i was wondering if there was an automated way to *find* the root of the problem next time |
| 13:51.38 | dutchfish | BCMM, its not, walk down the niches of PTS |
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| 13:51.54 | BCMM | dutchfish: sorry, i have no idea what that means |
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| 13:52.19 | dutchfish | BCMM, package tracking system |
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| 13:52.47 | BCMM | dutchfish: how do i do that? |
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| 13:53.36 | dutchfish | BCMM, example for plasma-framework https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/plasma-framework |
| 13:53.48 | amd_0x51 | in top or htop, does it mean I have some things running more than once? For instance caja is listed three times? |
| 13:53.54 | amd_0x51 | silly question sorry |
| 13:53.54 | acresearch | people, I used the debian paste website and i accedently deleted the paste. is it possible to recover it? http://paste.debian.net/982228/ |
| 13:54.23 | dutchfish | BCMM, right from the weather system |
| 13:54.25 | amd_0x51 | they all have different PID should there just be one? |
| 13:54.55 | BCMM | dutchfish: i'm totally out of my depth here; what's the "weather system"? |
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| 13:55.35 | dutchfish | BCMM, https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/unstable_main/index.html |
| 13:55.56 | BCMM | dutchfish: that's what i've been looking at |
| 13:55.59 | dutchfish | BCMM, just follow the breadcrumbs |
| 13:56.18 | BCMM | dutchfish: and it says the problem with plasma-framework is "unsatisfied dependency on qtbase-abi-5-7-1" |
| 13:56.45 | BCMM | oh i see, you're saying there is no way from the command line to get that answer, and to just use dose instead |
| 13:56.46 | BCMM | thanks |
| 13:57.25 | dutchfish | BCMM, bingo, it can be done from the comandline, but i prfer it this way. |
| 13:57.48 | BCMM | can it be done *automatically*, or is it just a matter of pasting in the previous error each time? |
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| 13:58.21 | dutchfish | BCMM, bookmark the links i gave and delve into it, it will get clearer ones you start using it. |
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| 13:58.56 | dutchfish | BCMM, i use the weather system 'before' upgrading in sid. |
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| 13:59.33 | BCMM | dutchfish: so if the diff has a large number on it, you know to be careful, right? |
| 13:59.50 | dutchfish | BCMM, that will safe you alot of trouble until you can compile your own stuff and fixes. |
| 14:00.01 | dutchfish | right |
| 14:00.27 | dutchfish | BCMM, and you can look up, if it affects your setup. |
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| 14:02.08 | dutchfish | BCMM, another example https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/unstable_main/1503205205/packages/kde-plasma-desktop.html#53f8876d7a23aab2b357d736c06ea7f7 |
| 14:04.11 | dutchfish | BCMM, needless to say, you should definitly backup sid systems on a regular base. |
| 14:04.17 | BCMM | yup :) |
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| 14:05.47 | BCMM | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kdeclarative has useful information on the migration |
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| 14:06.18 | dutchfish | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWhMoGt0cs8 |
| 14:06.27 | dutchfish | sorry wrong channel |
| 14:06.30 | numbdewd | apology accepted. |
| 14:06.37 | BCMM | sounds like it might take a while to get this sorted... |
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| 14:14.26 | acresearch | people, I used the debian paste website and i accedently deleted the paste. is it possible to recover it? http://paste.debian.net/982228/ |
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| 14:22.13 | dutchfish | acresearch, not if it was up for a short time only, otherwise try the wayback machine. |
| 14:22.32 | acresearch | dutchfish: wayback machine? |
| 14:22.50 | dutchfish | acresearch, https://web.archive.org/ |
| 14:23.42 | acresearch | dutchfish: hmmm does not work |
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| 14:23.51 | acresearch | how does the wayback machine work? |
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| 14:25.09 | dutchfish | acresearch, it works by spidering the web and caching pages. But it has to be up long enough, because it doesnt work instantly. |
| 14:25.21 | acresearch | dutchfish: oh |
| 14:25.32 | acresearch | so there is no way to recover what i pasted? |
| 14:25.55 | dutchfish | acresearch, i dont believe so, if you deleted it. |
| 14:26.21 | acresearch | dutchfish: ok thanks, i'll just try to re trace my steps |
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| 14:26.52 | dutchfish | acresearch, your .history log you should give you enough clues on that debian machine. |
| 14:27.06 | acresearch | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 14:28.26 | n4dir | hmm ... i don't use the history in the web-browser. isn't it able to go back to where you had content ? |
| 14:29.16 | n4dir | in phpbb fora it worked, if i clicked <back> long enough |
| 14:30.54 | acresearch | n4dir: when i do it refreshes the page and i get the error message |
| 14:31.28 | n4dir | yeah, i guessed so. too easy, you probably thought of it yourself. sorry |
| 14:31.36 | acresearch | n4dir: :-) |
| 14:32.09 | dutchfish | acresearch, what browser were you using at that time? |
| 14:32.21 | acresearch | i am in ubuntu and i use firefox |
| 14:32.33 | acresearch | but i am here because i used the debian paste service |
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| 14:34.24 | Akuw | i have xfce installed, every time i don't use laptop it turns black but after move mouse screen stay black |
| 14:34.30 | dutchfish | acresearch, maybe you can use the cacheviewer addon of firefox, to browse your local cache... its a long shot ... |
| 14:37.19 | Hexian | hey guys, I'm an ubuntu server user, but I have a kernel-related question and I'd appreciate not being burnt at the stake for asking it |
| 14:37.49 | cruncher | Akuw, light-locker has bugs atm |
| 14:38.03 | apollo13 | Hexian: if it is not a debian kernel, this is the wrong venue ;) |
| 14:38.03 | RoyK | Hexian: try #ubuntu-server |
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| 14:38.12 | n4dir | runs for his pitchfork |
| 14:38.28 | Akuw | crucher: what can i do? |
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| 14:38.48 | Hexian | apollo13: does debian use a different kernel to ubuntu these days? |
| 14:38.52 | Hexian | RoyK: dead channel |
| 14:39.04 | apollo13 | Hexian: how would we know? but in general yes, they do some modifications on their own |
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| 14:39.20 | RoyK | Hexian: not really |
| 14:39.21 | Hexian | I believe people in here are generally far more competent than ubuntu users |
| 14:39.45 | teraflops | Hexian: indeed, that's why we run debian :P |
| 14:39.45 | Akuw | i killed, i can get back |
| 14:39.47 | Akuw | thanks |
| 14:40.12 | cruncher | Akuw, yes, you can kill it... just to be sure, you dont have xscreensaver installed too? |
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| 14:40.45 | Akuw | screen saver is disabled |
| 14:41.01 | cruncher | Akuw, i mean he package xscreensaver |
| 14:41.25 | RoyK | Hexian: I beleive you're full of shit ;) |
| 14:42.16 | teraflops | Akuw: does the machine go to hibernate/suspend or it's just the screen gets blank because powersaving options? |
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| 14:47.27 | Akuw | let me check that |
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| 15:25.01 | teraflops | I love my cat |
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| 16:08.57 | mandeep | is there a link to a discussion about why debian chose to move to libinput/ |
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| 16:09.31 | netzach | Hello |
| 16:09.48 | Brigo | mandeep, it should be in the mail lists. Level, maybe. |
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| 16:10.15 | netzach | I am making a bootable usb key to install debian from, I also need some firemware, notably the network firmware, on it, reading the docs it says I should either put thefirmware file on an external usb key in a certain location, or use another image |
| 16:10.23 | netzach | does the usb key itself count or I need yet another usb key? |
| 16:10.54 | mandeep | Brigo: i'll take a look |
| 16:11.06 | netzach | Also nother question, is it possible to install to the same usb key you're installing from? I've read that you can boot to ram but the stuff I've read applies to ubuntu I think, I didn't find any boot to ram option when presented iwth the meny on my debian usb key boot |
| 16:11.10 | netzach | thank you |
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| 16:11.58 | Brigo | netzach, much better download the image with the non-free branch into: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 16:12.46 | netzach | I read abou that as well, but that is unofficial |
| 16:12.51 | netzach | are there other differences other than that? |
| 16:13.03 | abrotman | netzach: no, just the firmware |
| 16:13.36 | netzach | what is the difference between iso-cd and jido-dvd? and all the other folders? |
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| 16:14.00 | netzach | also the difference between livecd and non livecd is just that the livecd is booteable? and has a desktop manageR? |
| 16:14.06 | netzach | I mean not bootable but usable as a linux |
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| 16:14.39 | netzach | nvm when I click the folder it explains what it is sorry |
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| 16:17.08 | abrotman | netzach: just get the netinst with the firmware |
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| 16:23.16 | netzach | abrotman: I am getting the non netinst one, cause I am not sure I can plug in the network right now |
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| 17:08.31 | BluesKaj | wow, suddenly every default pkg is tied to kde-standard and task-kde-desktop on debian kde/plasma and that means the whole DE plus other depends will be removed if one tries to remove one default package like kmail |
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| 17:09.06 | abrotman | That's not suddenly |
| 17:09.33 | BluesKaj | gotta be something wrong there because I haven't seen this before with apt |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | perhaps you've been using CentOS |
| 17:10.03 | BluesKaj | nope |
| 17:10.39 | BluesKaj | never used centos ever |
| 17:10.44 | ani- | nvidia-xconfig pulling while 340 driver here |
| 17:10.49 | ani- | shole* |
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| 17:11.22 | ani- | whole ** |
| 17:11.29 | ani- | keyboard broken |
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| 17:18.10 | BluesKaj | nvidia-xconfig is deprected on stretch |
| 17:18.23 | BluesKaj | deprecated |
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| 17:24.23 | ani- | BluesKaj, i am on sid XD |
| 17:24.55 | ani- | idk why cant get steam works on it .. using nvidia.com driver |
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| 17:29.15 | tdn | I have a debian repository with a few packages that works for debian 8. The packages should work just fine for debian 9, however, if I add my repo as a source on debian 9, it cannot authenticate my repository - even though it is signed. What new requirements for signing repositories has been added from debian 8 to debian 9? |
| 17:29.34 | tdn | Is this more on topic for the maintainer's channel? Where do I find the maintainer's channel? |
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| 17:29.40 | apollo13 | tdn: did you install the repository's key? |
| 17:29.42 | BluesKaj | the nvidia website driver/kernel module doesn't get upgraded when a kernel upgrade comes doen the pipe and your driver breaks , you should use the driver receommended in nvidia-detect https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-detect |
| 17:29.45 | teraflops | youre using sid and nvidia installer? next time share such info at the very beginning |
| 17:29.58 | BluesKaj | ani-,^& |
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| 17:30.29 | tdn | apollo13, yes |
| 17:30.55 | apollo13 | show the complete output of apt-get update then |
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| 17:31.07 | apollo13 | also make sure that the signature algo is not md5 or something else deprecated |
| 17:31.22 | ani- | ya my fault .. i should need to say it 1st |
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| 17:34.05 | _frostie | im looking for a wallpaper that where in stretch gnome, (im running stretch mate) i think it is the wheezy wallpaper, looked like a space-themed wallpaper anyone know where i can find it? |
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| 17:36.23 | BluesKaj | space-themed is quite a general theme , could you be more specific? |
| 17:37.13 | tdn | apollo13, currently have some problems getting ssh connection to the machines... |
| 17:37.14 | _frostie | it is this one in the screenshot on the page: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105450/is-it-possible-to-install-bottom-launcher-on-debian-7 |
| 17:37.22 | tdn | apollo13, ifconfig and netstat seems to be gone... |
| 17:37.31 | apollo13 | ? |
| 17:37.41 | apollo13 | tdn: ifconfig is probably just not in your path |
| 17:37.49 | apollo13 | it is in /sbin |
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| 17:38.32 | abrotman | tdn: use 'ip', ifconfig is deprecated |
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| 17:39.09 | jelly | tdn, apollo13: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 17:39.18 | tdn | abrotman, I just used ip addr. And it seems it has a given IP but I cannot connect... |
| 17:39.50 | teraflops | nice, because ip command _is_ in your path |
| 17:39.51 | numbdewd | iptables? is it listening as it should on that ip..? |
| 17:40.31 | tdn | numbdewd, listening on 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 17:41.00 | numbdewd | mayb need to specifically bind to the right interface / ip..hm.... |
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| 17:41.49 | BluesKaj | tdn, try sudo dhclient , it should renew your gateway connection |
| 17:42.37 | _frostie | that wallpaper is in gnome version of stretch. i gave it a try to install gnome backgrounds from synaptic to see if it was there but gnome backgrounds did not show up among the other wallpapers in mate edition when it was installed |
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| 17:43.51 | tdn | BluesKaj, says: RTNETLINK ansers: File exists |
| 17:44.06 | numbdewd | tdn: not sure, but anyway i thought possibly could be as i remembered from read-me of "simple-obfs" (unrelated..) that it states for the server-part of the package, that a parameter for specifying interface may be needed, as while there are several interfaces succh as lo and eth0 and listening on 0.0.0.0 it might not automatically know to bind to the right interface (assuming eth0) , or atleast |
| 17:44.18 | numbdewd | ..particularly relevant in situaations with multiple interfaces.. |
| 17:44.40 | BluesKaj | tdn, yes, now try connecting to the internet with a browser |
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| 17:44.51 | numbdewd | not sure how or in what degree lo would be considered an interface and the system itself knowing to bind to that at all or not-usually..:z |
| 17:44.57 | tdn | BluesKaj, no connection. Cannot even ping local gw |
| 17:45.02 | tdn | BluesKaj, rebooting. |
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| 17:46.35 | BluesKaj | nm must be mucking things up, that's why i disable it ...static ip works with the interfaces file here |
| 17:47.00 | tdn | Oh. Now it works. At least I have network connectivity. Can ping google. |
| 17:47.19 | tdn | BluesKaj, but then I disable iptables with iptables -F. Then net seems to stop working |
| 17:48.03 | BluesKaj | tdn, I don't use iptables so i have no clue what it's doing |
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| 17:49.47 | ghobadimhd | Hi , what is a usage of Mail dir that mutt command create ?? |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | a usage? |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | BluesKaj: please don't blame nm .. |
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| 17:52.26 | ghobadimhd | Sorry english is not my first |
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| 17:53.06 | teraflops | ghobadimhd: maildir is a structure for directories of incoming mail |
| 17:53.51 | teraflops | BluesKaj: you disable a lot of things :P |
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| 17:56.51 | tdn | apollo13, problems with net, but I got a screenshot here of apt-get update: https://imgoat.com/uploads/67d8ab4f4c/38985.PNG |
| 17:56.55 | BluesKaj | teraflops, if they give me trouble and Ifind more direct or alternate method or if I don't need them, then yes |
| 17:57.04 | tdn | apollo13, virtual machine so I can type on it but not copy/paste text |
| 17:57.23 | tdn | apollo13, it says invalid signature |
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| 17:57.51 | apollo13 | tdn: what does apt-key list show? |
| 17:58.13 | _frostie | think i've found it: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun in the Wallpapers part of the page |
| 17:58.49 | tdn | apollo13, https://imgoat.com/uploads/67d8ab4f4c/38986.PNG |
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| 18:03.01 | apollo13 | tdn: follow https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt and try a manual verification |
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| 18:04.05 | ghobadimhd | teraflops: no i mean the Mail directory that mutt command make i check and it's emty ... |
| 18:04.29 | tdn | apollo13, will try, thanks. |
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| 18:09.34 | teraflops | ghobadimhd: which command specifically? |
| 18:09.41 | teraflops | :/ |
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| 18:14.35 | jelly | ghobadimhd, ~/Mail is considered the default place to store custom local mail folders (in mbox format) |
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| 18:15.13 | ghobadimhd | So when Inbox used ? |
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| 18:15.32 | ghobadimhd | Is it something like backup ? |
| 18:15.33 | aguitel | i am using wired network , when i click in plasma-nm icon , no wired connection found ,why this ? |
| 18:16.13 | jelly | ghobadimhd, inbox is where your mail gets delivered by default |
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| 18:17.22 | jelly | ghobadimhd_, inbox is where the mail gets delivered by default |
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| 18:28.30 | teraflops | ghobadimhd: which command specifically? |
| 18:28.34 | teraflops | f** |
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| 19:03.19 | amd_0x51 | I don't wish to know how I will learn that on my own. I just need to know if it's possible to run a cron to make apt-get update && upgrade commands once a week. But if their are updates I'd like it to make a terminal pop up to show me what needs updating |
| 19:03.52 | amd_0x51 | so I can manually decide y/n |
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| 19:07.16 | amd_0x51 | or would some other script be better for doing this task? |
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| 19:07.19 | n4dir | I would say it is possible. I would assume there is also an existing solution for such. Has been in the past, but i am not sure if you could configure it to run only once a week |
| 19:07.47 | rpd_ | amd_0x51: yes you can do so, look at '-s' option to 'apt-get' during upgrade phase |
| 19:08.19 | rpd_ | alternatively, better to use unattended-upgrades package and configure it as per your needs |
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| 19:09.00 | amd_0x51 | cool! Thanks I'll look into that then |
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| 19:14.25 | amd_0x51 | unattendedupgrades most certainly would be good for my needs. I was looking get my hands dirty with some scripting |
| 19:15.01 | n4dir | sounds like a good project to start with scripting. |
| 19:15.11 | amd_0x51 | this is the plan :) |
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| 19:15.16 | n4dir | easy enough, i hope |
| 19:15.29 | n4dir | but you never know what little details make you go crazy |
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| 19:15.58 | amd_0x51 | Kinda love that though. it seems weird but I actually enjoy it when something happens to my system because it means I have to try and figure out why |
| 19:16.09 | amd_0x51 | luckily I am not running a server or anything so it's no drama |
| 19:16.33 | n4dir | i would say: a) you do the update. no problem here. and b) you need a way to figure out if upgrade and/or dist-upgrade would do something at all. exit code comes to mind. or perhaps there is an argument to upgrade which tells yes or no |
| 19:16.59 | n4dir | adding c) only get the info *if* there are upgrades sounds a bit of fiddling |
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| 19:17.56 | n4dir | most, if not all, terminals have an option like -e or such, so you could do something like "xfce4-terminal -e apt-get upgrade" ; *if* you could confirm before that there are upgrades at all |
| 19:18.00 | n4dir | makes any sense? |
| 19:18.01 | amd_0x51 | sounds fun! there must be a way to sort pip the output quietly. If and only if their are upgrades it would launch that output to a terminal with the listed upgrades |
| 19:18.23 | n4dir | oh. we have the same thought :-) |
| 19:19.21 | n4dir | i for one would avoid those problems and run both commands update and upgrade in a pop up terminal. I guess |
| 19:20.24 | amd_0x51 | i suppose this is all doable in one bash script and I am looking too much into it :) |
| 19:20.40 | amd_0x51 | Going to try tough. If anyone is interested i'll debpaste it |
| 19:20.49 | amd_0x51 | though* |
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| 19:21.21 | n4dir | amd_0x51: nice tool for such: http://www.shellcheck.net/ |
| 19:21.56 | amd_0x51 | awesome!! Thanks a lot!!! |
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| 19:49.07 | ghormoon | hi, I've just upgraded debian from 8 to 9, using kde, whch i think was upgraded from 4 to 5, can I somehow make it behave like before, if I close laptop, it will turn off the internal display and behave like the external one is only one (primary) until I open the laptop again? |
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| 19:51.21 | netzach | hello |
| 19:51.37 | netzach | what is the name of the procedure when you have say router -- pc -- pc2, and pc2 is exposed to the router as well? |
| 19:51.40 | netzach | bridging? |
| 19:51.45 | abrotman | bridging |
| 19:51.59 | rotaticus | spagetti? |
| 19:52.02 | netzach | ok, by change nay docs on that before I go googling? |
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| 19:52.12 | Sir_Designer | slowing down your internet? |
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| 19:52.21 | netzach | why would it slow down? |
| 19:52.29 | Sir_Designer | signal interference |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | netzach: netfilter.org ? |
| 19:52.36 | netzach | hm sorry? |
| 19:52.53 | netzach | I have a cable connected to a pc, and on another network interface I connect that to another pc in a direct connection |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | that's a website, with docs about doing such things |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell netzach about bridge |
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| 19:53.05 | netzach | how would that interference that? |
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| 19:53.58 | netzach | soryr Sir_Designer , nbut how would that do signal interference? |
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| 19:54.44 | Sir_Designer | like this netzach http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2301273/wifi-range-extender-making-connection-worse.html |
| 19:55.00 | netzach | https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections is this better than netfilter ? |
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| 19:55.54 | netzach | Sir_Designer: that is the case for non-wifi as well? |
| 19:56.05 | Sir_Designer | no, just wifi. |
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| 19:56.30 | netzach | Sir_Designer: that is the case for non-wifi as well? |
| 19:56.36 | abrotman | netzach: no |
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| 20:06.11 | netzach | Hello |
| 20:06.25 | netzach | I have just installed debian, I used an usb stick and installed it to an usb stick, I put the bootloader on an usb key |
| 20:06.46 | netzach | after the install was done I removed the install usb key (maybe prematurely)? after it was over I get an error that /dev/sde1 does not exist |
| 20:07.11 | netzach | I have a feeling that by removing the install usb key the name of the boot usb key has changed |
| 20:07.15 | netzach | and it no longer works? |
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| 20:10.49 | abrotman | what no longer works? |
| 20:11.36 | netzach | after the install was over I rebooted and I removed the usb key from which the install was done and it no longer boots |
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| 20:13.39 | n4dir | i hope that if you do a chroot to debian installed on the usb-stick, then run "update-grub" your problem will be solved |
| 20:14.07 | netzach | I get booted to busybox |
| 20:14.31 | netzach | why can't it use a relative device? like the current drive instead of a hardwritten one? |
| 20:14.42 | n4dir | though i think that you can also use "edit" in the grub menu, change it to whatever the usb-stick is right now ( /dev/sda1 or such) ? ; boot, then run update-grub |
| 20:14.49 | netzach | I mean I can boot the livecd of an usb key, why can't it boot it when installed to an usb key? |
| 20:15.16 | netzach | ok let me try I guess but it takes like 5 minutes to start the pc so IDK |
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| 20:18.19 | n4dir | liveCD's use something different to boot then grub or lilo or such. But i forgot the exact name. Not sure if that software will help to solve the problem |
| 20:18.29 | n4dir | isolinux? |
| 20:19.47 | jhutchins | n4dir: Yes. |
| 20:20.15 | jhutchins | n4dir: Variant of syslinux. |
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| 20:20.26 | n4dir | jhutchins: thanks. gotta say that all that is very vague for me :-) just shooting ideas. |
| 20:22.28 | netzach | Hello |
| 20:22.50 | netzach | it says gave up waiting for root filesystem device |
| 20:22.53 | netzach | Common problems:: |
| 20:22.54 | netzach | ... |
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| 20:23.17 | netzach | then I tried as it suggested to do cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:23.33 | netzach | but when I try to edit it in vi to change from sde1 to sdd1 it is opened in readonly mode |
| 20:23.38 | netzach | and I can't seem to edit it? |
| 20:23.39 | netzach | help |
| 20:23.52 | netzach | I get dropped to a busybox shell, there is no grub |
| 20:24.25 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 20:24.25 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 20:24.46 | jhutchins | netzach: This is why people use UUIDs instead of device names. |
| 20:24.59 | netzach | jhutchins: but at the end of the install the installer did it by itself |
| 20:25.18 | netzach | how was I supposed to tell it to use an uuid instead? |
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| 20:25.53 | netzach | if I am gonna boot up my debian live usb it will change the name of the usb key again |
| 20:25.59 | jhutchins | netzach: I'm not sure, I don't run the installer very often. It may not be possible, you may need to boot to something removable and edit the grub config manually. |
| 20:26.06 | netzach | becasue when both keys are plugged my install is sde, but when I unplug the live usb it's sdd |
| 20:26.36 | jhutchins | netzach: So you need to tell it the UUID instead. |
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| 20:26.52 | netzach | I can't do anything with the busybox? I can cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:26.56 | jhutchins | netzach: You can also hacek udev and get it to always pick the same device, but that's trickier. |
| 20:26.59 | netzach | but I try to change it and it says readonly in vim |
| 20:27.14 | netzach | jhutchins: how can I do that during the install? |
| 20:27.30 | jhutchins | netzach: /proc/cmdline is the data it read at boot. |
| 20:27.58 | netzach | so I can't instruct busybox to change it? |
| 20:28.09 | netzach | or to boot to something else so I cna fix it? |
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| 20:28.24 | jhutchins | netzach: You need to edit grub's config. Which would mean mounting the drive with grub on it, and I don't know that you can do that and run grub-install in busybox. I suggest you try what dpkg said aboce. |
| 20:28.55 | netzach | but is it possible to install it and make it use the uuid instead? |
| 20:29.17 | jhutchins | netzach: You can also read up on busybox - I don't think most people here are familiar with it. |
| 20:29.41 | netzach | but what I was suggested above, how will it work if when I plug the usb livecd the sdd changed to an sde? |
| 20:29.43 | jhutchins | netzach: Probably using the advanced installer option. Like I said, I don't really know the installer well. |
| 20:29.49 | netzach | it will update grup to exactly the same |
| 20:30.18 | swiley | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.04 | n4dir | as far i remember you can tell the installer exactly where you want to install grub too. I guess you can also use uuid there. I don't think you can tell how grub makes it's entries. |
| 20:32.18 | n4dir | to put it different: i guess the best option is to replair grub via chroot |
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| 20:33.06 | netzach | why wouldn't it by default use uuid tho? |
| 20:33.22 | netzach | how come there are so many mount commands necessary when mounting the install partition |
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| 20:33.51 | rotaticus | uuid is default but you con disable it |
| 20:34.03 | n4dir | because it is a chroot, not a simple mount. You will need to excecute commands on the chroot'ed device, not only access data |
| 20:34.26 | netzach | I mean before the chroot you have like 3 mounts |
| 20:34.35 | netzach | if uuid is the default how come I've installed it and didn't get an uuid :\ |
| 20:34.38 | n4dir | yes. proc, sys and dev, probably |
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| 20:35.10 | netzach | nwhat does it mean run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI? |
| 20:35.12 | netzach | what does it mean on EFI? |
| 20:35.29 | rotaticus | /etc/default/grub reads a line #DISABLE_UUID.... |
| 20:35.49 | netzach | no I mean it generated the line to boot from sde instead of /something/uuid |
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| 20:36.02 | netzach | or is it because I put the bootloader on the usb key? |
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| 20:41.00 | Blendify_i5 | hi how can I force audio through hdmi? |
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| 20:44.03 | abrotman | Blendify_i5: Are you using a GUI? |
| 20:44.35 | Blendify_i5 | yes |
| 20:44.50 | Blendify_i5 | Xfce |
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| 20:49.53 | netzach | unfortunately I've booted to the installl cd but alt+f2 didn't work, I assume that's just a grub menu that allows you to do the install? |
| 20:50.10 | netzach | I don't have a livecd ready to get a terminal so I am trying to reinstall and see if I can change grub at the end |
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| 20:55.45 | ghormoon | can i make sddm turn on numlock on start? I've googled up only how to do it /etc/sddm.conf which is nowhere to be found on debian 9 :-/ |
| 20:56.09 | abrotman | your bios can't do that? |
| 20:56.42 | ghormoon | not sure if I can manage this in seabios (kvm VM) |
| 20:56.56 | ghormoon | bt I;ve found something, gotta reboot to try :) it worked before on debian 8 |
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| 20:59.38 | ghormoon | nope :-/ |
| 20:59.40 | ghormoon | before in kdm it was possible to set in config, but I have no idea where to do it for sddm now :( |
| 20:59.58 | ghormoon | also something is disabling TCP for Xserver and I have no idea what |
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| 21:07.34 | netzach | ok |
| 21:07.38 | netzach | I resinstalled again |
| 21:08.05 | netzach | at the end when it asks me where ot install grub it proposes /dev/sda ... and if I do enter manually it says it must be in the form of /dev/ stuff |
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| 21:12.03 | netzach | so each time I add a new hdd I have to update grub for it to work? |
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| 21:21.16 | rotaticus | netzach: try /dev/disk/by-uuid iirfc |
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| 21:26.00 | mender27 | Are there still any efforts to package the open-source versions of the old Marathon games? https://alephone.lhowon.org/ |
| 21:26.27 | mender27 | I read an e-mail exchange from one of the Debian mailing lists circa 2001, but no package has been produced thus far. |
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| 21:27.48 | netzach | rotaticus: but IDK the uuid when I am doing the install in debian |
| 21:27.50 | mender27 | The game is GPL licensed, so I could probably draft a .deb and propose it to Sid. |
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| 21:29.15 | rotaticus | netzach: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ there are links to sda? read em find your target ... iirc they are consistent |
| 21:30.07 | netzach | rotaticus: how can I run a shell during install? |
| 21:30.14 | netzach | so I can find the uuid? |
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| 21:30.26 | netzach | This guide http://willhaley.com/blog/install-debian-usb/ doesn't use the installer |
| 21:30.30 | rotaticus | ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 21:30.34 | netzach | but it says don't install grub, and instead he does it manually |
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| 21:31.18 | rotaticus | netzach: sry only tty here .... no browser for me |
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| 21:31.21 | netzach | also for some reason alt+f2 doesn't switch the termina lfor me |
| 21:31.40 | netzach | it says this When prompted to install grub to a device, do NOT install it. Simply hit "Enter" and choose not to install it to any devices. |
| 21:31.45 | rotaticus | netzach: try ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 21:31.58 | netzach | And later it installs grub manually and then does by label but uuid should be better |
| 21:32.13 | netzach | unforunately I shutdown my pc, and I am too exhausted, have ot sleep, I'll try it again tomorrow I think |
| 21:32.22 | aloo_shu | netzach, if you happen to get stuck in the same place, you could boot your live usb stick and learn about grub by typing 'info grub' in a terminal. after 30-60 mins you will know enough to install grub in the right place and configure it to boot your other stick by uuid. you could find out that uuid with gparted if you want a gui |
| 21:32.35 | netzach | We want fstab to mount / based on the disk label, and not a UUID or named disk like /dev/sda |
| 21:32.52 | netzach | does it mean that I can't install it on an usb key using the debian installer? I have to follow that guide that uses deboostrap? |
| 21:33.15 | netzach | aloo_shu: the article I am reading says you also have to change fstab and other stuff for it to work off a usb key |
| 21:33.32 | netzach | it also says UUID can vary |
| 21:33.40 | rotaticus | netzach: i use debootstrap from grml.iso ... works flawless here |
| 21:34.20 | netzach | so I can't use the debian installer? |
| 21:34.24 | aloo_shu | also , netzach, the better approach for ubuntu on stick is a live-type install with casper persistent storage, you can later create a proper, not live, user |
| 21:35.23 | netzach | I don't want it to be a portable stick, it's just that I install it from another usb key, so when I unmount the key it changes the /dev/stx |
| 21:35.38 | netzach | I mean I won't plug this usb key to another machine, it's just that I don't want to put it on the hdd |
| 21:35.46 | netzach | it has an sd card available but I have no sd cards |
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| 21:36.11 | aloo_shu | netzach, you have still 1 or 2 thungs in common with the portable use case |
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| 21:36.23 | abrotman | netzach: are you trying to install to an internal HDD? |
| 21:36.45 | netzach | abrotman: I am trying to install it to an usb key |
| 21:37.03 | netzach | it's just that I am installing it from another usb key, first usb key is the bootable installer, second is the destination |
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| 21:37.33 | netzach | after I am done and eject the instlaler usb key, I can't boot cause of grub that expects the usb key to be in /dev/sde1 but it's now /dev/sdd1 since I unpluged the instalation usb |
| 21:38.04 | netzach | you are correct aloo_shu , but it's still a shame that the installer doesn't use an uuid |
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| 21:38.30 | RandomGuyOnIrc | There is something wrong with my installation. I don't understand what apt is telling me I need to fix. Could someone explain what I need to do? https://pastebin.com/Dwg87uTT |
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| 21:38.36 | rotaticus | netzach: debootsttrap is fine because u can do things before booting the first time |
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| 21:39.55 | rotaticus | non-free firmware , fixing grub .... |
| 21:40.24 | netzach | but that means it will become even harder for me to instlal it |
| 21:40.38 | netzach | especially since I don't even have a debian here, I'll have to boot off a livecd or use a vm |
| 21:40.40 | aloo_shu | netzach it sort of is a shame, but I've not seen it before. With me, it's often the other way round, I have to hand edit grub boot entries and fstab entries because some cloning/restoring partitions has led to uuid changes |
| 21:40.50 | netzach | it gets needlessly complicated |
| 21:40.55 | rotaticus | netzach: take a look at grml.org |
| 21:41.12 | netzach | It seems ubuntu might use uuids by default in their scripts, I might try ubuntu instead idk |
| 21:41.31 | rotaticus | imho it is needlessly complicated what u do, trying to show alternatives |
| 21:41.34 | netzach | rotaticus: but I don't want a portable linux usb key, I just want to install debian on an usb key |
| 21:41.47 | netzach | it just happens that I want to install it on an usb key |
| 21:41.52 | rotaticus | netzach: yes, got it long ago |
| 21:42.05 | netzach | it shouldn't be needlessly complicated, :\ |
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| 21:42.59 | aloo_shu | oh, sorry, netzach, replace casper with live-rw . my bad |
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| 21:43.12 | netzach | sorry aloo_shu , I am lost now |
| 21:43.48 | aloo_shu | i was lost, told you one detail in an ubuntu specific way |
| 21:44.12 | netzach | is /etc/fstab existing anymore? |
| 21:44.20 | netzach | I thought it was replaced by systemd stuff |
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| 21:44.44 | rotaticus | systemd honors fstab |
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| 21:45.01 | rotaticus | .. it should |
| 21:45.07 | netzach | ok |
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| 21:45.14 | popup421 | hi |
| 21:45.18 | netzach | how do I get a shell during install? it says you can find it in the main installer menu |
| 21:45.21 | netzach | but I haven't encountered it |
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| 21:46.08 | popup421 | but i m already registered* |
| 21:46.13 | popup421 | how to login??? |
| 21:46.18 | netzach | ask in #freenode |
| 21:46.33 | netzach | message /msg Nickserv help |
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| 21:50.54 | aloo_shu | netzach one way to be able to use a shell in install is expert mode |
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| 21:55.45 | aloo_shu | netzach another reason why a live installation plus persistent storage is good even if you do not need portability, is that flash memory wears out quickly if it is used the way an ordinary hd partition is used by an OS |
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| 21:57.40 | aloo_shu | but still, your existing installation can be rescued, netzach, although we all want to help, it will be impossible to follow all suggestions simultaneously and throw in a few of your own, too |
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| 22:07.02 | yep | hello |
| 22:07.34 | yep | i have follow this https://heiko-sieger.info/define-a-network-bridge-using-ubuntus-linux-mints-network-manager-application/ to create a bridge with the network manager but it s not working |
| 22:07.40 | yep | someone can help me ? |
| 22:08.11 | rotaticus | netzach: aloo_shu: correct! choose your destiny |
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| 22:17.14 | aloo_shu | rotaticus I just looked up debian-live project, but that seemed changed. I seem to remember detailed information on setting up various degrees of persistence for your own use, now it seems geared only towards producing live images |
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| 22:21.59 | aloo_shu | rotaticus the best out of the box design for permanently running linux from a pendrive I have used, was puppy linux. would it have been unpolite or otherwise uncool to point him there? |
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| 22:24.51 | rotaticus | aloo_shu: sry never used persistence ... i personally dislike the idea of putting my os to an usb/flash , but thats not my decision |
| 22:27.53 | rotaticus | err the most usb sticks i've seen are older than ssd drives which, hopefully is the best choice of location for my os |
| 22:28.45 | aloo_shu | that, in turn, is what I have never laid hand on (SSD) |
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| 22:31.28 | aloo_shu | but making the most of live, the entire os gets copied to ram, that's very fast, too, after boot. |
| 22:32.05 | rotaticus | yes copy to ram is the way for modern live-disks |
| 22:33.04 | aloo_shu | I'd have thought some swapping in and out to be going on for a full desktop like debian |
| 22:33.33 | aloo_shu | if a desktop you run, of course |
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| 22:34.40 | rotaticus | everybody should have enough ram by the time .... i myself hang on *VERY* low end machines, but i like the terminal ... coming from nw-dos long ago |
| 22:34.51 | aloo_shu | the emphasis was on *entire* . puppy does that |
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| 22:36.15 | aloo_shu | but with 200MB images. trimming fat is the term they use |
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| 22:37.29 | rotaticus | been there, had to install all that ubuntu %$&(££&% , didn't like it ... always has my comparison debian done better |
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| 22:37.46 | rotaticus | 200MB thats tiny indeed |
| 22:37.56 | aloo_shu | rotaticus, what is *VERY* low end for you? |
| 22:38.11 | rotaticus | 380mhz |
| 22:38.24 | aloo_shu | you have slackware based puppy, too |
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| 22:39.42 | aloo_shu | but anyway, you can take any puppy to study a sound from usb stick or even nested in ntfs - approach |
| 22:40.52 | rotaticus | over the years i think i've grow used to debian ... it all felt consistent ... hope stretch gets there too |
| 22:41.01 | aloo_shu | 380mhz you beat me by lengths. I have an old thinkpad of that spec, but won't boot |
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| 22:42.12 | aloo_shu | etch was when I felt most at home with debian |
| 22:42.39 | rotaticus | aloo_shu: its an eee pc 701 cpufreqd to 380 to avoid tteemperature problems ... 900mhz is the spec of cpu ... it comes throttled to 600 ... still temperature |
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| 22:43.40 | aloo_shu | great idea in fact. might try that on a ;hot' laptop I have |
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| 22:43.49 | rotaticus | i only use that box to ssh to my bananapipro that runs irssi all day long |
| 22:44.25 | rotaticus | name ONE cool laptop |
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| 22:45.41 | aloo_shu | have an old dell inspiron 1300. looks like a tank, aesthetically, but there is space in that box |
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| 22:46.59 | rotaticus | if it takes like a tank ... no problem with me. aesthetics dont compile |
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| 22:47.39 | aloo_shu | old toshiba satellite , similar |
| 22:48.44 | aloo_shu | pre 2000, the latter |
| 22:48.47 | rotaticus | imho all laptop have cooling issues, i've never seen a cool one ... they were at best "not awful hot" |
| 22:49.43 | rotaticus | even the transmeta one ... the one linus made ... glowing red |
| 22:49.54 | aloo_shu | right, and downclocking is a good idea. was a key to early iDevice longevity |
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| 22:51.06 | aloo_shu | laptops are quasi mandatory for me since I'm on limited solar power |
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| 22:52.16 | th0r | aloo_shu, I ran two servers and a desktop off 100w solar on my sailboat 24/7 |
| 22:52.35 | shtrb | th0r , with what kind of power bank ? |
| 22:52.54 | rotaticus | that sounds awesome :D got some nice batterymonitoring running ... there was uninterrupted voltage suply daemons |
| 22:52.58 | shtrb | solar panel size without the size of the powerbank and the type of the inverter is not usefull |
| 22:53.03 | th0r | aloo_shu, 2 group 27 batteries, although I kept one aside to start the motor. |
| 22:53.26 | th0r | aloo_shu, they were all raspberry pi 3....xfce on the desktop, samba on the servers |
| 22:53.32 | shtrb | th0r , that sound like a small fortuine (need replacement every two years) |
| 22:53.34 | rotaticus | ha powerbank ... an average anker runs my bananapi a week :) thats 4*18650 |
| 22:53.48 | aloo_shu | th0r , more sun at sea, and just 75W nominal here |
| 22:53.53 | th0r | shtrb, two group 27's cost about $180 US |
| 22:54.19 | shtrb | th0r , I thought you have something like a 100 ah deep cycle |
| 22:54.24 | th0r | shtrb, and I did replace them every two years, but could have gone longer. |
| 22:54.35 | shtrb | or the standard ~40 something |
| 22:54.41 | th0r | shtrb, group 27's are about 90 AH each |
| 22:55.01 | th0r | shtrb, and they cost me right at $90 a piece last time I replaced them. |
| 22:55.03 | shtrb | $180 for 27 90 AH ?! |
| 22:55.16 | shtrb | deepcycle or car type ? |
| 22:55.20 | th0r | shtrb, TWO group 27's |
| 22:55.26 | th0r | deep cycle |
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| 22:55.40 | shtrb | lets move to offtopic |
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| 22:56.32 | aloo_shu | th0r , but if 1 or more raspberries made it my way, I wouldn't complain. I'm a no budget man, but there is a nice not yet overrun marina nearby. an island in east atlantic |
| 22:56.58 | th0r | aloo_shu, moved to debian-offtopic |
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| 23:00.19 | aloo_shu | rotaticus, you come (debian-offtopic)? |
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| 23:01.11 | rotaticus | aloo_shu: ok ;) |
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| 23:05.06 | Lugh | Hi! I'm going to by a new computer and I want to install Debian in it. But someone has told me that UEFI has proprietary and closed source firmware! Is this true?? Is this is true, what is the point of using an open source OS (like Debian) if you are running it on a machine with closed source firmware? |
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| 23:06.49 | Lugh | Why bother locking my front door when an attacker can just break the windows? |
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| 23:12.34 | ChmEarl | Lugh, your bios may give you a choice for UEFI or legacy boot |
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| 23:14.44 | Lugh | ChmEarl: Or may not... And support for legacy boot is disappearing... soon it will be only a memory of the past... |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | !uefi |
| 23:14.52 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 23:16.59 | Lugh | abrotman: I know that... and that's the problem. The present and future is UEFI. But if UEFI is indeed closed source, why using Debian? Running trusted code on untrusted firmware will make code execution untrusted! I want security and privacy. If UEFI firmware is closed source how can I get security and privacy? And why use Debian? |
| 23:18.09 | Lugh | And why Debian accepts to run on closed source firmware?! That totally destroys the reason to use an open source OP. |
| 23:20.29 | Lugh | Also I want to install Debian with encrypted partitions (dm-crypt / cryptsetup). But if UEFI is indeed closed source it would be stupid to have encrypted partitions, because anyone could break them, starting with the corporations who make the UEFI firmware! Right? |
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| 23:36.37 | Henry151 | Hi #debian :) I'm experiencing some problems with Thunderbird/Enigmail/Gnupg and I found my way to this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784289 I think that my problems are related to this. Anybody willing to help me diagnose/confirm exactly what my issue is, and help me resolve it? |
| 23:36.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784289 in gnupg2,gnome-keyring (closed): «gnupg 2.1 and gnome-keyring no longer interoperate»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-04; last modified: 2015-07-04. |
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| 23:37.35 | Henry151 | Basically, all I know for certain so far is that when I try to sign/encrypt a message using thunderbird, it says "no private key" -- I haven't confirmed that my issue is caused by this bug, I just suspect it. |
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| 23:37.57 | Henry151 | I have confirmed that I have the private key, and that I'm able to encrypt/decrypt messages manually on the command line with gnupg. |
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| 23:40.10 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
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