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| 00:00.33 | novilog | tytan: You can just install it manually. That's what I did. |
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| 00:01.10 | eck | "head -c 12 /dev/urandom | base64" and then upload to a github gist |
| 00:01.10 | jmcnaught | tytan: it's mentioned in the stretch release notes, but this change was announced way back in 2009 |
| 00:01.13 | eck | ezpz |
| 00:01.14 | tytan | novilog: I think there is a reason why it's not installed by default |
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| 00:01.46 | tytan | the arch documentations says it's obsolete |
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| 00:02.06 | eck | it's been obsolete for years |
| 00:02.17 | eck | but old habits die hard |
| 00:02.20 | tytan | so what is it replaced with? |
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| 00:02.41 | tytan | is there something like "modern networking" now? |
| 00:02.50 | jmcnaught | tytan: go read the release notes for stretch and find out this and other things you should know ⺠|
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| 00:03.27 | eck | it was replaced by ip |
| 00:03.30 | novilog | tytan: In the release notes at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 00:03.36 | uxfi | Strech ah |
| 00:03.47 | tytan | lol uxfi you, here? |
| 00:03.55 | uxfi | tytan; yep |
| 00:03.56 | uxfi | why? |
| 00:04.04 | tytan | do you remember me? |
| 00:04.24 | uxfi | sure |
| 00:04.31 | uxfi | I never forget :P |
| 00:04.47 | tytan | uxfi: do you still have your 2011 MBP? =) |
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| 00:04.52 | johnkeates | tytan: iproute2 replaced net-tools a VERY long time ago |
| 00:05.14 | tytan | johnkeates: Thanks, I will try to get some documentation on that. |
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| 00:05.38 | johnkeates | i think it was in Jessie already |
| 00:05.42 | johnkeates | and optionally in squeeze |
| 00:05.57 | johnkeates | i mean, in wheezy |
| 00:06.01 | novilog | johnkeates: It was only flagged as an optional package with the release of Stretch. |
| 00:06.10 | johnkeates | no, that was net-tools |
| 00:06.16 | johnkeates | i was talking about iproute2 |
| 00:06.19 | novilog | Oh |
| 00:07.00 | johnkeates | but yeah, things change and people get confused |
| 00:07.27 | johnkeates | in a year or so, plenty of 'where did ifconfig go' questions will have been asked to already have enough answers on google and irc bots |
| 00:07.29 | novilog | It's funny, because Debian updates are relatively easy to keep track of compared to the rolling release models of some other distributions... >_> |
| 00:07.34 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 00:07.44 | johnkeates | debian has a good cycle and documents changes |
| 00:08.01 | johnkeates | instead of just having to read everything from the package changelogs or upstream somewhere in a repo |
| 00:08.26 | johnkeates | but i suppose many other distrubitions just hide that information in their certification |
| 00:08.41 | johnkeates | so you have to buy a RHSA cert to get to the changes |
| 00:08.57 | johnkeates | (and I say buy because it's hardly "studying to get a certification") |
| 00:09.08 | johnkeates | aanyway, rant over |
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| 00:10.00 | novilog | You're pretty angry for a John Keates :-P |
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| 00:10.21 | novilog | I remember good ol' John being the sad type. |
| 00:10.28 | tytan | it's interesting to know for me though |
| 00:10.29 | johnkeates | well, i can be sad and poetic |
| 00:10.41 | eck | wow hating on redhat |
| 00:10.43 | johnkeates | i could write love letters on IRC, but i'd get kicked for flooding |
| 00:10.44 | eck | tsk tsk |
| 00:10.58 | johnkeates | well, i like red hat for being a paid driving force in the linux ecosystem |
| 00:11.10 | johnkeates | but i don't like certifications being taken so seriously |
| 00:11.23 | eck | same |
| 00:12.12 | rjsalts | but standardised testing is a panacea for all the worlds ills |
| 00:12.14 | johnkeates | i do wonder about some things sometimes, like Linux HA which has no general base and seems to be splitered between RH, CluserLabs and SuSE |
| 00:12.23 | johnkeates | standardised testing is a USA thing |
| 00:12.30 | johnkeates | and they seem to be doing it wrong |
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| 00:12.58 | johnkeates | every time I see news combining USA and Education, it's never good news. Was it ever good? |
| 00:13.08 | johnkeates | needs to stahp |
| 00:13.52 | tytan | I'm from germany. The level of education is pretty bad here as well |
| 00:14.00 | novilog | We Americans have always been great at doing and getting things done. I don't know about academia... but the general philosophy is, throw enough willpower at it, and it will be solved. |
| 00:14.14 | rjsalts | I think we've veered into #debian-offtopic land here |
| 00:14.14 | johnkeates | well, it's not the level, it's availability |
| 00:14.26 | johnkeates | rjsalts: we did, didn't we |
| 00:15.10 | rjsalts | luckily nobody has a support question right now |
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| 00:15.37 | johnkeates | the IRC gods have mercy |
| 00:15.43 | tytan | I don't think it's too off-topic though |
| 00:16.02 | johnkeates | I suppose there is a difference between going to school and getting educated, and not wanting to school / simply not getting educated because the system isn't setup for it |
| 00:16.28 | johnkeates | say someone wants to know something and knows how to educate themselves, they could come here |
| 00:16.39 | johnkeates | and be like "where did ifconfig go" |
| 00:16.47 | johnkeates | and we'd have the information, the reasoning etc. |
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| 00:17.00 | tytan | yes indeed |
| 00:17.11 | randy1985 | is there a way to change a username that you're logged into? |
| 00:17.16 | johnkeates | that's different from people simply not wanting to know, and trying to 'power through' or 'have a chance' |
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| 00:17.29 | johnkeates | randy1985: on IRC or on Debian |
| 00:18.34 | johnkeates | I'm currently in The Netherlands, and a most of the people here can go to any school without finance preventing them from doing that, all they have to do is go |
| 00:19.01 | johnkeates | but more than half the population chooses or is only capable of doing the least and lowest versions |
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| 00:19.20 | johnkeates | those are probably also not in #debian ;-) |
| 00:19.48 | tytan | johnkeates: selfdriven education is not an option for most people. |
| 00:19.49 | johnkeates | because finding IRC and figuring out how to use it would be too hard (too much work / too specific / no instant gratification) |
| 00:20.03 | tytan | Anyways, I'm offline now. reading aboutiproute2 |
| 00:20.08 | johnkeates | ok |
| 00:20.13 | johnkeates | check out the ip manpage too |
| 00:20.17 | randy1985 | johnkeates: sorry, on debian |
| 00:20.25 | johnkeates | randy1985: type /nick <new username> |
| 00:20.53 | randy1985 | johnkeates: on debian |
| 00:21.00 | johnkeates | oh yes |
| 00:21.05 | johnkeates | slaps himself awake |
| 00:21.08 | randy1985 | lol |
| 00:21.33 | johnkeates | so, you can't "change" your account name, but you can make a new account and log in to that |
| 00:22.07 | randy1985 | can you log out, drop to a tty console and do it as root? |
| 00:22.36 | johnkeates | your account isn't magically connected to anything, and if you rename the directory for the old username into the new username (/home/randy to /home/notrandy) and then change the permissions (something like chown -R notrandy /home/notrandy) |
| 00:22.36 | randy1985 | i was under the impression you could usermod it, but if i'm logged in, it objects since processes are using the profile |
| 00:22.48 | johnkeates | yes, log need to log out first |
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| 00:23.41 | johnkeates | wow, my hands are randomly injecting words in my sentences |
| 00:24.06 | novilog | It happens when [it's late | too much coffee | distracted | hungry] |
| 00:24.15 | randy1985 | ha. i was gonna suggest MORE coffee |
| 00:24.45 | johnkeates | i'm still in limbo on that coffee / sleep thing |
| 00:24.54 | johnkeates | i'll just start with tea and see where it gets me |
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| 00:25.04 | johnkeates | so cerbere, how's the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation today? |
| 00:25.10 | johnkeates | cerebro* |
| 00:25.22 | novilog | So back to my question. Is there a good password manager in the debian package repositories? I searched by description for password manager, but the results were confusing at best... |
| 00:25.40 | johnkeates | most of the password managers are Desktop Envionment bound |
| 00:26.11 | johnkeates | if you want a good CLI password manager, there is one based on a few scripts and GPG, with repo support so you can move them around and share them with other systems |
| 00:26.17 | novilog | That seems a bit useless... how can you have a rock-solid free software password manager if they're DE dependent? |
| 00:26.29 | johnkeates | well, because DE's can be software and free |
| 00:26.31 | novilog | johnkeates: I would love a good CLI one |
| 00:26.46 | johnkeates | okay, let me dig in my history, i read about this one on hackernews |
| 00:27.14 | johnkeates | found it: https://www.passwordstore.org |
| 00:27.16 | novilog | Haha -- I was just at hackernews trying to find an rss feed for their main news page, but nada |
| 00:27.29 | novilog | Awesome! Thanks! |
| 00:27.48 | johnkeates | dpkg pass |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | johnkeates: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:27.55 | johnkeates | :( |
| 00:28.00 | johnkeates | dpkg package pass |
| 00:28.01 | dpkg | johnkeates: are you using Windows? |
| 00:28.03 | johnkeates | arf |
| 00:28.09 | johnkeates | anyway, it's in the repo |
| 00:28.11 | jmcnaught | !ot |
| 00:28.11 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:28.24 | johnkeates | jmcnaught: this is about a debian package |
| 00:28.35 | jmcnaught | please folks, if you want to chat do it in a channel that's for chatting, this channel is for support |
| 00:28.54 | johnkeates | but. debian. package. |
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| 00:29.13 | johnkeates | here we go: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/pass |
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| 00:30.00 | johnkeates | it's about 3 years old, but buster has a newer version |
| 00:30.18 | johnkeates | it is still actively developed, and there is an active debian maintainer too |
| 00:30.41 | novilog | I tried to add the repositories from testing once... I wrecked my system dependency tree. |
| 00:30.55 | jmcnaught | yeah you cannot mix stable and testing or unstable |
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| 00:31.38 | novilog | If I wanted to get the new version, is there a way to do it without being on the respective version? |
| 00:31.45 | novilog | of debian* |
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| 00:32.24 | jmcnaught | if it's not in backports, you could try backporting the package yourself https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 00:33.34 | novilog | Alright... so much work to be done. Haha. Thanks jmcnaught johnkeates |
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| 00:34.08 | jmcnaught | ,v pass |
| 00:34.09 | judd | Package: pass on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.6.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.3-3; stretch: 1.6.5-7; buster: 1.7.1-3; sid: 1.7.1-3 |
| 00:34.19 | johnkeates | ah, so it's ,v |
| 00:34.39 | jmcnaught | http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 00:34.39 | johnkeates | alternatively, there is nothing preventing you from using the sources and building your own |
| 00:35.05 | jmcnaught | or actually try the version in stable first, and see if it works for you⦠|
| 00:35.18 | johnkeates | yeah, that'd work too, it's been patched |
| 00:35.37 | jmcnaught | why add complexity before trying the simple option? |
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| 00:36.11 | novilog | Just want to make sure I'm getting something that's secure... this package looks like it's been around for a long time |
| 00:36.27 | rmzelnick | guys |
| 00:36.29 | rmzelnick | I need help |
| 00:36.49 | rmzelnick | Compiling my kernel, I recall doing it using kernel-package |
| 00:36.53 | jmcnaught | packages in debian stable get security updates, packages in testing and unstable not so much (they get updated as work happens on them) |
| 00:37.11 | jmcnaught | !kernel handbook |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 00:37.26 | novilog | I guess I'm just not used to the major release mode yet. I moved from Arch |
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| 00:38.07 | novilog | Again, thanks jmcnaught johnkeates |
| 00:38.21 | rmzelnick | Okay now I found it hehe |
| 00:38.24 | rmzelnick | thanks |
| 00:38.38 | si\ver | after an upgrade to debian stretch, I have noticed lots of gtk text rendering bugs. Where is a good place to report them via irc or email? |
| 00:39.18 | johnkeates | si\ver: try finding out why or what the problem is first, maybe it's a configuration issue, maybe it's a library issue, maybe with specific programs |
| 00:39.33 | si\ver | It's a platform issue with armhf, I am almost sure. |
| 00:39.37 | rmzelnick | Wait! I need a kernel v4.8.x because VMWare won't work with v4.9.x |
| 00:39.50 | rmzelnick | how can I install a different version using apt? |
| 00:39.52 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: then you don't need to recompile, just install an older kernel |
| 00:40.33 | rmzelnick | apt-cache returns no search |
| 00:40.46 | rmzelnick | for linux sources less than 4.9.x |
| 00:40.51 | johnkeates | novilog: you'll get used to the major release deal, it's actually pretty good when you compare it to the breakage with rolling releases. if you want to know a bit more about those security patches or why version numbers have patch extension numbers, try the new package maintainer's guide, it shows you why things are done that way |
| 00:41.04 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: do you need to recompile, or do you need an older version? |
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| 00:41.32 | rmzelnick | No |
| 00:41.35 | rmzelnick | Just an older version |
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| 00:42.06 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: try linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64 |
| 00:42.59 | rmzelnick | Unable to locate package, couldn't find it by glob, nor regex |
| 00:43.03 | jmcnaught | using a kernel that won't get security updates sounds like a bad compromise to be able to use vmware⦠but old packages can be found on http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 00:44.07 | johnkeates | maybe not using vmware is the better option, but who am I to tell you good from evil |
| 00:44.36 | johnkeates | if you *must* for business/policy reasons use vmware, you probably have to use a supported OS as well |
| 00:45.11 | rmzelnick | I found a patch on the source code around VMWare |
| 00:45.16 | rmzelnick | but it didn't work so well |
| 00:45.31 | rmzelnick | I have it here installed on my computer, but it freezes |
| 00:45.55 | johnkeates | i'd suggest waiting for the official patch |
| 00:46.00 | johnkeates | when it's in the repo |
| 00:46.12 | jmcnaught | or use something else instead, like libvirt+KVM |
| 00:46.16 | johnkeates | is it reported to the kernel package as a bug? |
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| 00:46.20 | johnkeates | or use Xen |
| 00:46.23 | johnkeates | I like Xen |
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| 00:46.36 | rmzelnick | Not really, I wanna use VMWare because of liability |
| 00:46.49 | rmzelnick | I'm taking system programming at school |
| 00:47.13 | rmzelnick | If anything goes wrong with grading my code, they can use the fact that I was using some other emulator |
| 00:47.21 | rmzelnick | Not the one they specifically asked for |
| 00:47.38 | johnkeates | they can do that with your kernel version or Linux distro as well |
| 00:47.43 | rmzelnick | I'm thinking about having a dual-boot between kernels |
| 00:47.47 | rmzelnick | I use lilo |
| 00:47.52 | johnkeates | lilo? |
| 00:47.54 | johnkeates | eek |
| 00:47.55 | johnkeates | gross! |
| 00:48.10 | johnkeates | but again, do as you please |
| 00:48.10 | rmzelnick | what do you use? |
| 00:48.18 | johnkeates | grub2 or direct EFI loading or Coreboot |
| 00:48.41 | rmzelnick | I've used grub and grub2 |
| 00:48.55 | rmzelnick | I liked the config on grub, but then grub2 came out... |
| 00:48.56 | johnkeates | also, i almost always either boot off of LVM2 on top of RAID1 or ZFS |
| 00:49.21 | rmzelnick | woa! |
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| 00:49.26 | rmzelnick | impressive! |
| 00:49.31 | johnkeates | config-wise: use the system options with /etc/default/grub |
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| 00:49.43 | johnkeates | lilo still uses block maps right? |
| 00:49.56 | rmzelnick | I dunno tbh |
| 00:50.05 | rmzelnick | I used lilo just to get myself acquainted |
| 00:50.15 | johnkeates | hmm |
| 00:50.20 | johnkeates | debian installs grub by default |
| 00:50.25 | rmzelnick | Maybe I'll switch over to syslinux |
| 00:50.26 | johnkeates | unless you replace it or have an ancient install |
| 00:50.45 | rmzelnick | No |
| 00:50.58 | johnkeates | what do you 'configure' in the bootloader that makes it so that you have configuration issues with grub2? |
| 00:50.58 | rmzelnick | On my install CD I had the option not to install it |
| 00:51.12 | rmzelnick | I didn't install, then used the CD in rescue mode |
| 00:51.22 | rmzelnick | This is a new install |
| 00:51.42 | rmzelnick | From rescue mode I installed lilo |
| 00:51.52 | johnkeates | but what do you 'configure' in the bootloader that makes it so that you have configuration issues with grub2? |
| 00:52.53 | rmzelnick | The configuration issue is more of an obstacle since you'd have to re-run grub2, wait for it to build that config menu, and you have to use sudo. |
| 00:53.24 | rmzelnick | Various nuances, and it's more difficult to learn compared to grub1 |
| 00:53.31 | rmzelnick | the config I mean |
| 00:54.23 | johnkeates | that is true, but it is also covered by the fact that hand-written configurations are not that much of a thing anymore |
| 00:54.28 | johnkeates | at least, not in my case |
| 00:55.11 | johnkeates | any special parameters you want go in /etc/default/grub or grub.d and you run update-grub after you edit it |
| 00:55.15 | beingbrown | johnkeates: i'm sorry if this is a the most newb question--i'm setting up xen now--so far, i'm not sure what strategy to go with for vm storage. I definitely don't have raid fanciness. i do have a 200G extended partition available, but unallocated. any advice you could give is well appreciated |
| 00:55.17 | rmzelnick | I'm just picky when it comes to understanding this stuff |
| 00:55.18 | johnkeates | that's all there is to it |
| 00:56.00 | johnkeates | the thing is that when a new kernel comes out or when you add special entries like memtest, or chainload something else, or maybe add xen, those entries need to be added too, and maybe they need those special parameters as well |
| 00:56.18 | johnkeates | so when you have a special needs system, it saves you from duplicating the same things 10 times |
| 00:56.27 | rmzelnick | To me linux is like a new world to explore |
| 00:56.30 | johnkeates | it is |
| 00:56.32 | johnkeates | indeed |
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| 00:57.09 | johnkeates | beingbrown: use LVM for starters, that's probably the best way to get into it ; file based disk images I cannot recommend |
| 00:57.49 | johnkeates | beingbrown: install lvm2 if you don't have it already, then use pvcreate and vgcreate to make a LVM partition out of that 200G |
| 00:58.11 | johnkeates | beingbrown: and then use lvcreate to make the logical volumes, you can make as many as you like and of any size |
| 00:58.23 | beingbrown | johnkeates: i have it installed. I'm trying to run everything via ansible. |
| 00:58.28 | johnkeates | beingbrown: then you'll end up with /dev/<vg name>/<lv name> |
| 00:58.29 | rmzelnick | But can't I dual boot whenever I need to use VMWare? |
| 00:58.43 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: you can with Grub2 by default, it does that automatically |
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| 00:58.48 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: with lilo, i don't know |
| 00:58.55 | rmzelnick | I just don't want my graders holding me liable because it wasn't assynchronous blablabla |
| 00:58.56 | johnkeates | it's been 10+ years since i last had to use it |
| 00:58.59 | beingbrown | regarding logical volumes, can you clarify a little bit on size--i assume i can make as many as I want and of any size so long as the sum of all of them is < 200G, correct? |
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| 00:59.18 | johnkeates | beingbrown: correct, they cannot be more together than the pv in the vg |
| 00:59.44 | beingbrown | a vg can extend across multiple lv, right? or, what's the advantage of the abstraction layer of the vg? |
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| 00:59.49 | johnkeates | beingbrown: you are familiar with lvm terminology? vg = volume group, lv = logical volume, pv = physical volume |
| 00:59.56 | beingbrown | yes. |
| 00:59.57 | johnkeates | okay |
| 01:00.14 | johnkeates | so, the things is that a volume group is in 'between' of the disks and the logical volumes |
| 01:00.25 | beingbrown | okay. i had it backwards. |
| 01:00.29 | johnkeates | you can put as many disks and any type of disk (as a pv) into the vg |
| 01:00.44 | johnkeates | the vg then has the total size of all the disks you added combined available as space |
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| 01:00.54 | johnkeates | the logical volumes 'use' space inside that group |
| 01:01.06 | johnkeates | you can resize them on demand, as long as there is space in the group |
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| 01:01.14 | beingbrown | and so your lv have up to that space--allowing an lv to be split across pv? |
| 01:01.28 | johnkeates | the lvm system will put the data anywhere, so you don't have to fiddle around and move partitions to grow an lv |
| 01:01.32 | johnkeates | yes |
| 01:01.49 | beingbrown | ok. fair enough. |
| 01:01.52 | johnkeates | there are of course settings to change that but by default an LV can be accross many PV's |
| 01:02.19 | johnkeates | if you have ten disks of 10GB you can make a 100GB VG and on top of that two 50GB LV's and they will be spread out over those 10 disks |
| 01:02.36 | johnkeates | (which i would not recommend as everything will break if even 1 of those 10 disks fails) |
| 01:02.55 | johnkeates | what happens in practise is that people tend to use RAID volumes as PV's |
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| 01:03.15 | beingbrown | how hard is it to retrofit raid? |
| 01:03.21 | johnkeates | it is easy |
| 01:03.30 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: picking a kernel here, I'm confused as to what 4.8.0-x-amd64 means |
| 01:03.38 | johnkeates | this is because the LVM system works with extents and you can reallocate them |
| 01:03.43 | rmzelnick | I see rc (release candidate) |
| 01:03.52 | johnkeates | so you can ask LVM to move all the extents off of a disk |
| 01:03.54 | rmzelnick | But there's also linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64 |
| 01:04.02 | rmzelnick | and 2, and 3 |
| 01:04.05 | beingbrown | okay, so i can skip setting up raid now, and revisit it later when i've got more than one pv |
| 01:04.08 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: the -x suffix isn't RC but it's debian-pachlevel |
| 01:04.14 | johnkeates | beingbrown: yes, indeed |
| 01:04.18 | beingbrown | without having to redo everything on top of it. |
| 01:04.20 | beingbrown | perfect. |
| 01:04.22 | johnkeates | yep |
| 01:04.27 | rmzelnick | the x is a placeholder |
| 01:04.44 | johnkeates | yes, x is the placeholder, the number there only means "patch level by debian" |
| 01:05.01 | rmzelnick | Hum ok |
| 01:05.05 | beingbrown | that's part supply constraint, part mental fatigue. there's so much to cover here. i'm trying to stand up a little whitebox and getting into the realm of 'i don't know any of this at a practical level' way too fast. |
| 01:05.18 | beingbrown | :) |
| 01:05.55 | johnkeates | beingbrown: when you want to move to raid, it's reasonably simple; you first setup raid, i.e. you use MD, mdadm to create a raid1 disk out of 2 normal disks, i.e. /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1, giving you /dev/md0 |
| 01:06.39 | johnkeates | beingbrown: then you use pvcreate and vgextend |
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| 01:06.52 | johnkeates | pvcreate on the md0 raid1 disk, and vgextend to add that pv to the vg |
| 01:07.02 | johnkeates | at this point, it's not used since it's only added |
| 01:07.27 | johnkeates | then you tell lvm to move all extents from that 200gb partition away to the raid PV, and when it's done you tell it to remove the 200gb PV |
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| 01:07.37 | johnkeates | at that point, you can wipe it since it's no longer in use |
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| 01:07.54 | johnkeates | during all of this, there will obviously be a performance impact but everything can keep running |
| 01:08.46 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: if you get a panic, it's probably because you are either using the wrong initrd with the kernel or you may have to use/fix the boot parameters |
| 01:08.46 | beingbrown | cool. |
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| 01:09.04 | beingbrown | okay. so for now, going to go do this. then to go shop for some larger volumes. |
| 01:09.09 | johnkeates | yep |
| 01:09.15 | rmzelnick | no worries hehe I'm familiar with gentoo |
| 01:09.17 | beingbrown | i may be back with questions. |
| 01:09.19 | beingbrown | :) |
| 01:09.22 | johnkeates | cool |
| 01:09.26 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: also cool |
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| 01:10.06 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: do you use any other linux distro? |
| 01:10.07 | neilthereildeil | hey guys. i loaded the e1000e NIC driver with modprobe -a because google says thats what i need for my NIC. now that its loaded, why doesnt ifconfig -a show a new interface? |
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| 01:12.19 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: because it only shows interfaces it knows about, what does dmesg say? also: the drivers get loaded automatically, google is a liar. check lspci as well |
| 01:13.05 | neilthereildeil | johnkeates: now that i loaded e1000e, dmesg shows init messages from the driver |
| 01:13.07 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: yep, it's a mixed bag. debian, fedora, rhel, grml, alpine, openwrt (doesn't really count), arch, slackware, tinycore |
| 01:13.26 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: it will also show you the device name it came up as |
| 01:13.32 | neilthereildeil | lspci shows the ethernet device before and after loading e1000e |
| 01:13.49 | johnkeates | dmesg should have something like eth1 or en0ps1 or whatever |
| 01:14.19 | johnkeates | if it shows nothing, your card might be broken, or it may be a miniGBIC interface and you need to stick an adapter in it to work |
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| 01:14.58 | neilthereildeil | ok so i see the pci device referenced in dmesg |
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| 01:15.23 | neilthereildeil | it talks about sleep states and MMIO addresses |
| 01:15.28 | johnkeates | okay |
| 01:15.39 | neilthereildeil | but no device names listed |
| 01:15.41 | johnkeates | maybe paste your dmesg to termbin if you're not afraid of that kind of thing |
| 01:15.45 | uxfi | Should update to strech tonight |
| 01:15.48 | uxfi | or tommrow morning. |
| 01:15.53 | uxfi | Where are the update released notes? |
| 01:16.20 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: http://termbin.com and then something like: sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:16.34 | johnkeates | uxfi: here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:16.37 | uxfi | thanks! |
| 01:16.46 | neilthereildeil | johnkeates: im offline remember? |
| 01:16.48 | neilthereildeil | :) |
| 01:16.55 | johnkeates | oh, i thought it was an extra nic |
| 01:16.58 | uxfi | johnkeates; I'm running a custom build of 8 now so I hope this ugprade goes welll |
| 01:17.15 | johnkeates | uxfi: as long as you have backups, nothing can hurt you! :p |
| 01:17.32 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: well, if the driver is loaded and works, it should give you an interface name as well |
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| 01:17.49 | uxfi | johnkeates; yeah I shoudl take the USB/SD card and make a back up |
| 01:18.09 | rmzelnick | having problems with debian keyring after the snapshot was put into sources.list |
| 01:18.16 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: igb for example, says stuff like igb 0000:05:00.0: added PHC on eth1 |
| 01:18.18 | neilthereildeil | johnkeates: i know the hardware works because ive booted other kernels on this machine |
| 01:18.38 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: try noy using it directly but just pull the package.deb manually, it has no dependencies iirc |
| 01:18.47 | randy1985 | so I want to delete a group, but you can't delete a group if it's a user's primary group. after "gpasswd -d <user> <group>", "groups <user>" still shows <group> as his primary group. Any ideas? |
| 01:18.51 | rmzelnick | I try that at first |
| 01:18.55 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: okay, but it should post the interface name during driver load |
| 01:18.57 | rmzelnick | it depends on linux-headers |
| 01:19.06 | johnkeates | randy1985: delete the user first |
| 01:19.14 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: then download that too :p if you don't have it |
| 01:19.25 | neilthereildeil | johnkeates: ok, i just booted to the other kernel |
| 01:19.27 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: or get the extra keyring i guess |
| 01:19.36 | neilthereildeil | lspci -k says e1000e is in use for that device |
| 01:19.44 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: okay, so it differs in functionality between kernels |
| 01:19.56 | johnkeates | neilthereildeil: is it a very new nic or very old one by chance? |
| 01:19.57 | neilthereildeil | yea so it could be my custom kernel |
| 01:20.02 | neilthereildeil | very new |
| 01:20.05 | johnkeates | ah |
| 01:20.11 | johnkeates | then you need to build a new kernel as well |
| 01:20.14 | johnkeates | with the driver enabled |
| 01:20.15 | johnkeates | etc |
| 01:20.18 | neilthereildeil | oh crap |
| 01:20.21 | neilthereildeil | i need this kernel version |
| 01:20.38 | johnkeates | it is possible that the driver simply doesn't exist for that kernel version |
| 01:20.41 | neilthereildeil | ok ill check kernel git |
| 01:20.44 | johnkeates | but sometimes you can backport it |
| 01:21.06 | johnkeates | e1000e isn't all that special, but it has different versions and gets upgraded all the time |
| 01:21.18 | johnkeates | if your older kernel has an older e1000e it won't work |
| 01:21.36 | johnkeates | and debian doesn't have separate driver packages for that driver |
| 01:22.20 | randy1985 | johnkeates: surely there is an effective way to remove a user from a group. no way you have to delete the whole profile |
| 01:22.54 | johnkeates | well, you have to re-assign the primary group and optional groups and if the user is logged in, log it out first etc. |
| 01:23.16 | johnkeates | so while not impossible, it is far easier to just delete the user and re-create it with the groups you want if it's a live syste |
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| 01:25.31 | randy1985 | the user isn't logged in. recreating the user's config would be too cumbersome. how do you reassign his primary group? |
| 01:25.59 | johnkeates | deleting the user does not delete the config |
| 01:26.01 | johnkeates | or anything else |
| 01:26.03 | johnkeates | just the user |
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| 01:26.25 | johnkeates | well, except for when you use some GUI, then all bets are off |
| 01:27.02 | randy1985 | use some gui to do the deleting? |
| 01:27.19 | johnkeates | well, you never know |
| 01:27.26 | johnkeates | some people use gui's |
| 01:27.39 | johnkeates | and then you don't really control things and it all goes to crap |
| 01:28.11 | randy1985 | oh i was just clarifying if you meant using a gui to do the deleting vs talking about config elements of the DE or something |
| 01:28.28 | johnkeates | oh no |
| 01:28.40 | johnkeates | it was more of a 'how are you doing this' type of question |
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| 01:29.16 | johnkeates | i think userdel helps |
| 01:29.21 | johnkeates | but hey, that's just me |
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| 01:30.16 | johnkeates | deluser doesn't delete anything either by default, but userdel never does, so that's a fine choice |
| 01:30.47 | randy1985 | i'm a fan of multiple options. aside from your suggested method, how do you reassign a user's primary group? (i've had reason to do this before) |
| 01:33.01 | johnkeates | well, i'd say usermod as usual, but if that doesn't work for some reason.. using NIS or SSSD or LDAP? |
| 01:34.02 | randy1985 | thank you |
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| 01:38.00 | johnkeates | randy1985: by the way, note the difference between -g and -G and the -a option; -g is for the primary group, -G for all other groups and doing -a -G means adding extra groups instead of completely overwriting with the groups you supplied |
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| 01:40.03 | randy1985 | yep. man page ftw |
| 01:43.03 | rmzelnick | I need to find the key for the snapshot I'm using |
| 01:43.11 | rmzelnick | I can't find it at all |
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| 01:43.22 | rmzelnick | It says linux-signed |
| 01:43.44 | uxfi | randy1985; ++ |
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| 01:44.25 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: what if you ignore it and just install the packages? or are you a five-eyes target (or in russia/china) |
| 01:44.35 | rmzelnick | No |
| 01:44.46 | rmzelnick | I can't even use --allow-unauthentication |
| 01:44.51 | johnkeates | oh :( |
| 01:44.56 | rmzelnick | doesn't work with apt-get |
| 01:45.04 | rmzelnick | Still I'm missing the Release.gpg |
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| 01:45.53 | rmzelnick | https://pastebin.com/UzX3MfCY |
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| 01:48.21 | johnkeates | well, in http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/dists/jessie/ there is a release.gpg |
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| 01:48.31 | johnkeates | and a realease file |
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| 01:55.50 | rmzelnick | where do I put the release file? |
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| 01:57.47 | somiaj | rmzelnick: release file in what context? |
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| 01:58.28 | newcoder | I can't find a package named 'more' |
| 01:58.31 | newcoder | Why? |
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| 01:58.47 | rmzelnick | I'm using snapshots from debian to get a older kernel release v4.8.0 but I'm getting an error since I don't have Release.gpg and Release. |
| 01:59.04 | rmzelnick | somiaj: ^ |
| 01:59.25 | rmzelnick | more belongs to coreutils I think |
| 01:59.30 | rmzelnick | newcoder: ^ |
| 01:59.43 | newcoder | rmzelnick: Are you sure? |
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| 02:00.54 | rmzelnick | newcoder: just confirmed here |
| 02:01.05 | newcoder | I think, more is not in coreutils |
| 02:01.17 | rmzelnick | it's not |
| 02:01.27 | rmzelnick | I meant to say it is not |
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| 02:04.30 | jmcnaught | rmzelnick: what is the deb line that you added to sources.list? |
| 02:04.34 | somiaj | rmzelnick: What error are you getting? Google seems to suggest the common error is release file is expired. afiak the release file is on the repo no the client. |
| 02:05.06 | rmzelnick | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/ linux-signed main |
| 02:05.15 | somiaj | newcoder: dpkg -S /bin/more returns util-linux here in stretch. |
| 02:05.31 | rmzelnick | then I have a deb-src |
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| 02:06.08 | jmcnaught | rmzelnick: where did 'linux-signed' come from? |
| 02:06.17 | somiaj | rmzelnick: linux-signed is not a valid debian repo. |
| 02:06.25 | rmzelnick | here http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64/ |
| 02:06.36 | rmzelnick | well then what should I use LoL? |
| 02:06.39 | rmzelnick | main? |
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| 02:06.54 | jmcnaught | rmzelnick: you may need to reread the usage instruction on the snapshot front page |
| 02:06.56 | somiaj | rmzelnick: what repo was that pakage put into, stretch? jessie? sid? |
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| 02:07.48 | rmzelnick | somiaj: that's what I'm trying to find out |
| 02:07.50 | somiaj | rmzelnick: linux-signed is the name of the source package, not the repo. |
| 02:08.10 | somiaj | rmzelnick: what are you needing this binary package for? Why do you need an older (mostlikely insecure) kernel? |
| 02:08.43 | rmzelnick | I need to downgrade from v4.9 to v4.8 to support VMWare (required by school) |
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| 02:09.37 | somiaj | rmzelnick: sounds like you want to use stretch then. |
| 02:10.07 | rmzelnick | Yes, indeed I have stretch |
| 02:10.32 | somiaj | yes, you most likely want the snapshot kernel made for stretch, though I'm surprised I don't see that info on the page you link |
| 02:10.50 | johnkeates | it's jessie |
| 02:11.11 | somiaj | that kernel was never built for jessie, 4.8 might be in jessie-backports though. |
| 02:11.15 | johnkeates | like i posted: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/dists/jessie/ = deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/ jessie ? |
| 02:11.17 | rmzelnick | My distro came with keys for jessie |
| 02:11.27 | johnkeates | but 4.8 is on multiple pages |
| 02:11.30 | johnkeates | it's not that hard to get it |
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| 02:12.34 | somiaj | rmzelnick: if you want the kernel built for stretch use 'stretch' if you want the older kernel built in jessie-backports (for jessie) use jessie-backports. It is asking for the repo in which the binary package you are wanting was originally built for. |
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| 02:14.42 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: this is what i have on a stretch system upgraded from jessie and i did have jessie-backports on back then: ii linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64 4.8.15-2 amd64 Linux 4.8 for 64-bit PCs (signed) |
| 02:14.51 | johnkeates | so that verion should be somewhere |
| 02:15.27 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: are you gonna install v4.9? |
| 02:15.35 | rmzelnick | It came with my stretch :) |
| 02:15.36 | johnkeates | i'm already running 4.9 |
| 02:15.56 | johnkeates | i have multiple kernels installed |
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| 02:17.43 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: somiaj: |
| 02:17.44 | rmzelnick | http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/dists/stretch/ |
| 02:17.47 | rmzelnick | opps |
| 02:18.01 | rmzelnick | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/ linux-signed main |
| 02:18.07 | rmzelnick | no |
| 02:18.14 | somiaj | as we said linux-signed is not a valid repo, that is the source package name. |
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| 02:18.40 | somiaj | use either stretch or jessie-backports depending on what version of debian you are running. But I personally would try to find another option than using an old insecure kernel for your issue. |
| 02:18.47 | rmzelnick | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/ jessie-backports main |
| 02:18.48 | johnkeates | remove linux-signed and replace it with either "jessie" or "stretch" |
| 02:19.06 | johnkeates | yes |
| 02:19.10 | rmzelnick | well |
| 02:19.21 | rmzelnick | I use 'stretch' and ran apt-get update |
| 02:19.51 | somiaj | johnkeates: are you sure jessie will work, the 4.8 kernel was never made for jessie, you most likely mean jessie-backports |
| 02:19.59 | rmzelnick | https://pastebin.com/FMVxtrzQ |
| 02:20.17 | rmzelnick | let me past my sources.list |
| 02:20.30 | johnkeates | remove the src |
| 02:20.40 | johnkeates | deb-src that is |
| 02:21.05 | rmzelnick | https://pastebin.com/vDGsgKHJ |
| 02:21.26 | rmzelnick | but the main page of snapshot.debian.org shows an example with that src |
| 02:21.44 | johnkeates | okay, but remove it |
| 02:21.50 | johnkeates | only use the deb one |
| 02:22.13 | rmzelnick | there's also deb security |
| 02:22.19 | rmzelnick | there are two deb-src |
| 02:22.21 | johnkeates | just use deb |
| 02:22.24 | rmzelnick | ok |
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| 02:22.45 | rmzelnick | stretch-updates? |
| 02:22.47 | johnkeates | nay |
| 02:23.00 | johnkeates | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170106T093107Z/ jessie-backports main |
| 02:23.02 | johnkeates | and nothing else |
| 02:23.06 | johnkeates | then install the kernel |
| 02:23.49 | rmzelnick | oh no' |
| 02:24.14 | rmzelnick | it shows linux-image-4.8.x-bpo |
| 02:24.18 | johnkeates | that's ok |
| 02:24.18 | rmzelnick | what's bpo? |
| 02:24.21 | johnkeates | backport |
| 02:24.22 | rmzelnick | backports? |
| 02:24.24 | rmzelnick | hm |
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| 02:25.12 | rmzelnick | alright let's see =) |
| 02:27.51 | rmzelnick | that's why I like Debian |
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| 02:28.06 | rmzelnick | There are almost no binhosts in gentoo |
| 02:28.16 | rmzelnick | I save time from compiling |
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| 02:29.38 | johnkeates | yep, basically everything that is a buildable source package is also a binary package |
| 02:29.44 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: got error =( |
| 02:30.10 | johnkeates | what brand? |
| 02:30.28 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: https://pastebin.com/JFjQeJvd |
| 02:31.11 | rmzelnick | I'll like need that deb-src |
| 02:31.17 | rmzelnick | likely |
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| 02:32.31 | johnkeates | did linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 not work? |
| 02:32.55 | rmzelnick | It wasn't included in there |
| 02:33.07 | rmzelnick | I have been able to update to deb-src |
| 02:33.09 | johnkeates | okay, so if you apt-get install linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 02:33.10 | johnkeates | ah |
| 02:33.15 | johnkeates | well, should be there then |
| 02:33.28 | johnkeates | linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 should probably have been installed by whatever wants dkms (vmware?) |
| 02:33.48 | rmzelnick | The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 : Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-4.9-x86 |
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| 02:34.14 | rmzelnick | yes |
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| 02:36.59 | jmcnaught | should be using stretch snapshot repo not jessie-backports if you're using stretch and not jessie |
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| 02:38.10 | rmzelnick | jmcnaught: will change and try again |
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| 02:39.52 | rmzelnick | so ftp.us.debian.org is going down soon right? |
| 02:40.03 | rmzelnick | I saw the FB post |
| 02:40.24 | jmcnaught | it will still be available via http, but no longer via ftp |
| 02:40.25 | rmzelnick | I mean, the FTP counterpart |
| 02:40.29 | rmzelnick | yea |
| 02:40.43 | jmcnaught | !ftp must die |
| 02:40.44 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 02:41.25 | dvs | killers! |
| 02:41.56 | rmzelnick | jmcnaught: what nfs does linux offer? |
| 02:42.11 | rmzelnick | I'd go with Samba, but that's still Windows NT |
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| 02:43.11 | dvs | nfs??? But the users need a little coordinating between machines. |
| 02:43.28 | rmzelnick | jmcnaught: ok now it seems to have found the correct package: linux-image-4.8.0-3-amd64 |
| 02:44.09 | rmzelnick | dvs: I work in an office, we use Samba. I wonder if there's a linux counterpart. |
| 02:45.05 | dvs | rmzelnick, you can still use samba with debian |
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| 02:45.35 | rmzelnick | But I was wondering what nfs's linux offer |
| 02:45.50 | rmzelnick | nfsesses |
| 02:46.09 | dvs | !nfs |
| 02:46.09 | dpkg | Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at http://nfs.sf.net/nfs-howto/ . For notes on NFSv4 in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4. Mailing list: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-nfs . http://wiki.debian.org/NFS http://nfs.sf.net/ #linux-nfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:46.51 | rmzelnick | !kerberos |
| 02:46.52 | dpkg | somebody said kerberos was a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/ #kerberos on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:47.26 | dvs | that's more of a security protocol |
| 02:48.08 | rmzelnick | dvs: well you see.. FTP is bad, but if you're working a small office I think it gets the job done |
| 02:48.26 | johnkeates | SFTP is easier |
| 02:48.32 | johnkeates | because you don't have to install ftp |
| 02:48.39 | johnkeates | and you probably already have ssh and sftp |
| 02:48.42 | rmzelnick | despite of the fact that I installed Samba, and conviced my boss on the idea |
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| 02:49.31 | rmzelnick | ok so far so |
| 02:49.32 | rmzelnick | good |
| 02:49.41 | rmzelnick | the kernel is installing no errors |
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| 02:55.08 | rmzelnick | ok, brb gotta restart |
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| 02:55.13 | rmzelnick | the instalation went well |
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| 03:02.25 | rmzelnick_ | johnkeates: jmcnaught: thanks! |
| 03:02.32 | rmzelnick_ | I'm back |
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| 03:13.11 | johnkeates | rmzelnick: score! |
| 03:13.13 | rmzelnick | johnkeates: jmcnaught: yay VMWare is now running |
| 03:13.20 | johnkeates | virtualise all the things! |
| 03:13.29 | johnkeates | i'm gonna virtualise myself to bed now |
| 03:13.31 | johnkeates | it's 5AM :p |
| 03:13.34 | rmzelnick | hahahahaha |
| 03:13.36 | rmzelnick | thanks john |
| 03:13.42 | rmzelnick | see you around sometime |
| 03:13.44 | johnkeates | see ya! |
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| 03:58.33 | jrj | hello |
| 03:59.32 | jrj | i tested fresh debian 9 with sssd to add to active directory domain and gvfs-fuse,fusesmb for accessing smb shares |
| 03:59.52 | jrj | i can not open any file directly from network share |
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| 04:00.06 | jrj | do i need to do some additional configuration? |
| 04:00.40 | jrj | same situation with centos7 has no any problems - files can be opened without problems |
| 04:01.20 | jrj | and more about debian - if i copy file from smb share to local disk - it opens well |
| 04:01.55 | jrj | i tested it in xfce |
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| 04:04.29 | Tom-_ | !wait |
| 04:04.29 | dpkg | If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>. |
| 04:04.36 | Tom-_ | someone might know |
| 04:05.00 | Tom-_ | i thought people usually used SAMBA, no experience with fusesmb |
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| 05:29.58 | xormor_ | https://pastebin.com/3KqfdG9c <--- how come no upgrades, even though 3 were supposed to be? |
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| 05:32.24 | klys | it seems none of your base packages were available from stretch-backports. have you read the packages file? |
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| 05:34.21 | xormor_ | klys, how? |
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| 05:35.34 | klys | less /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stretch-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 05:35.40 | klys | for example |
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| 05:47.27 | novilog | Was there a replacement for nautilus-connect-server implemented in Stretch? Or was it just nuked entirely? |
| 05:47.43 | novilog | I didn't see anything in the release notes about it |
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| 06:00.51 | hexnewbie | novilog: apt-file search nautilus-connect-server |
| 06:01.03 | hexnewbie | wishes there was stretch-upports |
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| 06:04.49 | novilog | hexnewbie: I'm wondering why it wasn't carried over it if wasn't replaced... |
| 06:05.09 | novilog | hexnewbie: It came as a standard install with Jessie |
| 06:05.51 | hexnewbie | novilog: Check if it exists in another package with apt-file. If it doesn't, my first suspicion would be that GNOME is to blame, not Debian |
| 06:06.27 | hexnewbie | novilog: In case if it *wasn't* removed upstream, you can possibly make a bug report about it (not sure if there's any chance it reappers in stretch if that's the case, though) |
| 06:06.28 | novilog | hexnewbie: That command doesn't exist. Is it something that needs to be installed? |
| 06:06.37 | novilog | hexnewbie: That's not a standard utility |
| 06:06.39 | hexnewbie | novilog: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update |
| 06:07.27 | novilog | hexnewbie: Oh, entirely possible that GNOME is to blame... |
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| 06:11.22 | Brosun | Debian on laptops - I'm trying to decide between a Dell XPS 13 9360 and an Asus Zenbook UX330UA. |
| 06:11.26 | Brosun | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell_XPS_13_9360 mentions a few problems, but I can't find a similar report for the Zenbook. Anyone got experience with either of those models? |
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| 07:48.15 | sbeex | hello guys |
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| 07:49.00 | Trap-Chan | is there a good HTPC DM? alot of what I'm reading is tips about increasing zoom to make it easier to read but that seems to be missing the point that dpad/sel navication is better for a couch experience. (like kodi and steam BP) |
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| 07:52.45 | ben25 | is fdupes the good option to find duplicate files? |
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| 07:53.02 | ben25 | never used before wondering if my research google was ok |
| 07:53.10 | ws2k3 | i installed debian. i use uefi. so i set the first boot method int he bios as uefi my disk. i save and exit. but after reboot i immidiatly come in the bios again. what can this be? |
| 07:54.40 | sleepyhead | ws2k3: yeah i had this same problem as well with opensuse |
| 07:54.49 | sleepyhead | not sure what's going on |
| 07:55.12 | Trap-Chan | don't you need to install AFTER changing that setting? i had to, maybe there is another fix. |
| 07:55.51 | ws2k3 | Trap-Chan can i not just disable uefi? and boot normaly |
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| 07:57.15 | cruncher | ben25, the program does its purpose. you have to see for yourself if the results are "comfortable" for you |
| 07:57.16 | Trap-Chan | i dunno. when i messed with that stuff i only had one drive. |
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| 07:59.10 | cruncher | ws2k3, if you didnt install it with uefi, you can disable it. Try to boot without uefi, then you know |
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| 08:14.57 | ben25 | cruncher, oh it seems all fine, thanks ;) |
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| 08:16.53 | Trap-Chan | is there a reason that pulse audio on a totally fresh install should not want to run? |
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| 08:17.23 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, of course there is a reason :) .. but if you are asking if its normal, then no is the answer |
| 08:17.52 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, and explain "not want to run" |
| 08:18.00 | Trap-Chan | k, any tips on where to start the debugging? i get sound output on programs that let me manually select the HDMI output. |
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| 08:19.14 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, so your speakers are on the HDMI interface? |
| 08:19.21 | Trap-Chan | hrm...i cant really think of a better way to put it that isn't a paragraph so: i only know because volume control tells me "connection to pulseaudio failed" and anything where i can't manually set the output are silent. |
| 08:19.39 | Trap-Chan | my speakers are built into the tv. |
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| 08:21.33 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, so if i understand you correctly, you want just to set HDMI as default, then all should be fine? |
| 08:21.49 | Trap-Chan | also likely worth mentioning sudo start-pulseaudio-x11 gives me "command not found" |
| 08:22.04 | Trap-Chan | that and having access to volume mixxer would be grand. |
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| 08:22.17 | Trap-Chan | but yeah the hdmi default is higher priority. |
| 08:22.38 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, you dont have to start pulse by hand |
| 08:22.48 | cruncher | what DE are you using? |
| 08:22.53 | Trap-Chan | the volume control window says to is why i tried |
| 08:23.10 | Trap-Chan | i'm using the xfce that installed by default from the debian cd. |
| 08:23.27 | Trap-Chan | i've tweaked things but not anything that should hit performance. just aesthetic stuff. |
| 08:24.19 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, you can add an applet to the panel |
| 08:24.42 | cruncher | then choose pulseaudio plugin |
| 08:24.43 | Trap-Chan | you mean like the launchers and alternate clock i added? |
| 08:24.48 | cruncher | yes |
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| 08:26.27 | Trap-Chan | now my screen just keeps flashing a big notification saying that audio is muted |
| 08:26.37 | cruncher | unmute :) |
| 08:27.10 | Trap-Chan | not muted |
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| 08:27.23 | jelly | judd: file bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 08:27.27 | judd | Search for bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 in stretch/amd64: pulseaudio: usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 08:27.49 | jelly | Trap-Chan: also that's supposed to run as normal user, not root |
| 08:28.09 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, before setting any defaults, just ope audio mixer trough the applet, select HDMI and play some sound to see if all is fine |
| 08:28.33 | Trap-Chan | mixer won't run because of the error i mentioned before. |
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| 08:29.04 | jelly | Trap-Chan: get pulseaudio running first, then. After pulseaudio is running use pavucontrol to set both default output device, or tune applications separately |
| 08:29.37 | Trap-Chan | k just looked and didn't see start-pulseaudio-x11 in /bin/ |
| 08:30.27 | Trap-Chan | same for /usr/bin/ |
| 08:30.30 | cruncher | is a pulseaudio process active? |
| 08:31.12 | Trap-Chan | the answer is no. |
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| 08:31.21 | Trap-Chan | i'm thinking pulse audio didn't install off the cd? |
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| 08:31.59 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, output of "pulseaudio --check" |
| 08:32.20 | Trap-Chan | probably to late to that. i ran apt-get and it's definitely downloading stuff. |
| 08:32.37 | Trap-Chan | hey the strobing mute is gone. :P |
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| 08:33.05 | lss8 | if I know the name of a binaray, say netstat, how do I find out which package includes it? |
| 08:33.24 | lss8 | without googling ;) |
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| 08:33.41 | Trap-Chan | with all the stuff that didn't come on the cd i'm begining to wonder if that's also why kodi and vlc won't play dvds. |
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| 08:34.57 | bezaban | lss8: apt-file |
| 08:35.19 | bezaban | need to install it and build a cache iirc |
| 08:35.30 | cruncher | lss8, you can use also dpkg -S, but only for installed packages |
| 08:35.43 | lss8 | and what's the exact command? apt-file search netstat / apt-file list netstat didn't really work as expected |
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| 08:36.41 | bezaban | lss8: please emphasize on "not expected"? :) |
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| 08:37.27 | lss8 | bezaban: it's throwing a shitload of output of every package which includes a file whose name includes "netstat", e.g. netstatus.py, etc. |
| 08:37.34 | lss8 | I already know the _exact_ binary name |
| 08:37.43 | lss8 | i don't want to fuzzy search |
| 08:37.49 | bezaban | lss8: right, that means you have the cache built. apt-file bin/netstat should narrow it dowbn |
| 08:38.00 | lss8 | :/ |
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| 08:40.01 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, if it wasnt installed, then it was probably the reason |
| 08:41.35 | bezaban | lss8: or perhaps something like search -x /netstat$ |
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| 08:42.11 | Trap-Chan | is there some kind of dvd decoder that i need to get separately from vlc to get it to load dvds? i can browse the files on the disk just like on my win computer but when i try to load it it stops after identifying what movie it is. |
| 08:42.53 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, its not in debian, but you want libdvdcss2 |
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| 08:43.21 | cruncher | so look for it on the vlc page, or google |
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| 08:43.38 | Trap-Chan | will do, thanx |
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| 08:44.52 | Trap-Chan | huh, looks like one of my repos has it. |
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| 08:45.33 | Trap-Chan | i'm guessing that has to do with dvd licensing, same reason the xbox didn't include dvd playback out of the box? |
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| 08:47.08 | Trap-Chan | bummer. vlc still won't play the dvd on the deb machine. >.< |
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| 08:47.34 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, i would start/continue with getting the sound working |
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| 08:47.52 | Trap-Chan | as far as i can tell it's 100% good now. that's why i moved on to dvd. |
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| 08:48.28 | a0z | hi everyone, i'm having a problem attempting to burn a CD-R. i need a windows live cd to load a firmware updater EXE to update my laptop BIOS: i have the windows iso, i have the bios update, but when i use wodim to burn the disk i get "wodim: OPC failed." i have spent the last hour googling, lots of others have the problem but i failed to find any solutions. |
| 08:48.44 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, easiest is to start vlc per command line, and check the errors |
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| 08:48.59 | Trap-Chan | ahh clever. i'm not that clever. :P |
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| 08:49.14 | cruncher | a0z, there is no "windows live cd" (normally) |
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| 08:49.42 | cruncher | a0z, and also, usually the bios is offered as a windows program and a ISO |
| 08:49.44 | a0z | cruncher: i obtained "Hirens Boot CD" which has a "Windows XP Live Environment" |
| 08:49.49 | cruncher | so you wouldnt need windows fo rit |
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| 08:50.17 | a0z | for the model of Alienware laptop i have, Dell only provide BIOS update as EXE file |
| 08:50.23 | cruncher | a0z, yes, thats a PE environment, but i dont think its suited to update bios |
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| 08:51.15 | a0z | the only other option i have is reformat my hdd, install windows, update bios, re-format and reinstall debian... i'm rather comfy with sid at the moment |
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| 08:51.35 | cruncher | a0z, did you try some other buring program? Brasero always worked for me |
| 08:51.50 | Trap-Chan | no css library available...isn't that the thing libdvdcss2 thing? |
| 08:52.16 | pigeonv | you have to add another source, I guess |
| 08:52.17 | bazhang | ,v libdvd-pkg |
| 08:52.18 | judd | Package: libdvd-pkg on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 1.4.0-1-1~bpo8+1; buster/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2; sid/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2; stretch/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2 |
| 08:52.20 | a0z | tried brasero and wodim to no avail |
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| 08:52.30 | bazhang | thats what you want these days |
| 08:52.42 | a0z | i'm trying to burn a CD not a DVD |
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| 08:53.03 | bazhang | then there's no need for the css |
| 08:53.16 | Trap-Chan | lolz i think 2 convos are crashing. :P |
| 08:53.20 | cruncher | people got mixed up now :D |
| 08:53.47 | Trap-Chan | looks like libdvdcss2 downloaded libdvd-pkg for me. |
| 08:53.53 | bazhang | if someone wanted to rip, then the one I suggested is it |
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| 08:54.28 | Trap-Chan | atm i don't care about rip or burn, just want vlc and code to actually play my movies. :P |
| 08:54.31 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, rty bazhangs suggestion, because when you said you already had it in some repo, it sounds like you dont know what you have. Remove it and better use the libdvd-pkg |
| 08:54.38 | cruncher | s/rty/try |
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| 08:55.06 | Trap-Chan | i assume it came from the 'non-free' repo. :P |
| 08:55.23 | Trap-Chan | k, how do you uninstall again? do you just say that instead of install? |
| 08:55.28 | bazhang | it should prompt to run apt once more after you download it |
| 08:56.04 | Trap-Chan | k, what is the dif between apt apt-get and aptitude? am i wrong to always try apt-get first? |
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| 08:57.02 | cruncher | a0z, what model? |
| 08:57.23 | a0z | cruncher: its a generic usb dvd+cd r/w |
| 08:57.31 | cruncher | a0z, i mean laptop |
| 08:57.50 | a0z | cruncher: alienware m11x r3 |
| 08:58.06 | cheapie | a0z: Have you tried a different disc? |
| 08:58.46 | cheapie | "OPC failed" (especially if it takes a minute or two to fail) usually means either a bad disc or the laser is on its way out. |
| 08:58.48 | Trap-Chan | ahah. so i had already downloaded libdvd-pkg not because it was a dependant but apparently because apt-get knows that it's better than the other and selected it instead for me. (apt-get's words not mine) |
| 08:59.05 | cheapie | Or, possibly, with the drive being USB, insufficient power. |
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| 09:00.03 | a0z | cheapie: i've try several disks, also there are two usb cables both plugged into USB3 sockets |
| 09:00.16 | cheapie | Probably a failing drive, then. |
| 09:00.35 | cheapie | Laser diodes do tend to go out sometimes. |
| 09:00.46 | Trap-Chan | weird. "configuring libdvd-pkg" at the top but talks about libdvdcss2 in the middle. :P |
| 09:00.56 | cheapie | One thing to check, though - it does "do something" for a bit and not just instantly give the error, right? |
| 09:00.58 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, it downloads it |
| 09:01.07 | a0z | cheapie: it's brand new, i have used it successfully before upgrading to sid (i had wheezy before, when i first used the drive) |
| 09:01.36 | cruncher | a0z, probably an incompatibility... you dont have any external burner? |
| 09:01.41 | a0z | cheapie: when i run the command, it spins up the CD disk then fails with a second or two |
| 09:01.54 | a0z | *within |
| 09:01.56 | cheapie | OK, /that/ might be some software issue then. |
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| 09:02.41 | Trap-Chan | why not 'burn' the iso to a thumbdrive? |
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| 09:03.13 | a0z | Trap-Chan: good idea, but doesn't the iso have to be usb-compatible or something? |
| 09:03.19 | Trap-Chan | nah |
| 09:03.21 | cheapie | Trap-Chan: I don't think Windows ISOs support that. |
| 09:03.29 | Trap-Chan | i've had every version of windows installer disk on thumb drive |
| 09:03.41 | cheapie | That said, there's probably some tool to make them compatible. |
| 09:03.45 | cruncher | he doesnt want windows iso, but the PE |
| 09:04.00 | cruncher | and i doubt the creation tool allows a usb to be selected |
| 09:04.02 | a0z | cruncher: yes, i need live environment |
| 09:04.09 | Trap-Chan | google "how to install windows 7 from thumb drive" and you find a very good guide that works for all versions of windows installer in my experience. |
| 09:04.17 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, thats not what he wants |
| 09:05.14 | Trap-Chan | the disk he's trying to use is running a cutdown version of windows JUST LIKE the windows install disks do. |
| 09:05.35 | a0z | wodim output: http://paste.debian.net/982647/ |
| 09:05.38 | cruncher | a0z, another way: do you have an external hd? you could install i.e. win7 on it, then update the bios |
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| 09:05.59 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, thats the point, he doesnt "use" it, he wants to burn it |
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| 09:06.16 | a0z | cruncher: i do have a usb/hdd as well as various thumb drives, i could try installing win7 on to the hhd i guess |
| 09:06.24 | cruncher | hirens boot cd doesnt allow a usb stick to be selected to create the Pe |
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| 09:06.34 | cruncher | a0z, yeah, i think thats the easiest way |
| 09:07.00 | cruncher | a0z, also, you can use it again for same or similar purposes |
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| 09:07.54 | cruncher | a0z, just make sure the debian HD is disabled in bios, or disconnect it if possible, or your mbr will be overwritten with some M$ code |
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| 09:08.24 | Trap-Chan | yeah ms just doesn't like to play nice with other OSes. |
| 09:08.25 | a0z | cruncher: righto |
| 09:08.37 | a0z | thanks everyone, you've given me a few more things to try |
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| 09:08.59 | cruncher | a0z, if it shouldnt work for some reason, i can give you more ways to keep you busy ;-) |
| 09:09.21 | a0z | thanks cruncher :-) |
| 09:09.33 | cruncher | but i think this is the best way.. since the exe cant be run on DOs |
| 09:09.43 | Trap-Chan | ok maybe i'm just too much of a newb. but this is saying that i'm supposed to compile libdvdcss2 AFTER apt-geting libdvd-pkg. doesn't apt-get do the compiling for you? |
| 09:10.26 | bazhang | you need to just run apt once more, everything else is built for you once that happens |
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| 09:10.44 | bazhang | apt install vrms , for example |
| 09:11.32 | Trap-Chan | k, ran it again and it says it did nothing. |
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| 09:19.51 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, you didnt read the output properly |
| 09:20.24 | cruncher | and launching apt "again" wouldnt help |
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| 09:20.45 | h4s3 | ubuntu-de |
| 09:20.48 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, there should have been a message telling you what to run *manually* after installation of libdvd-pkg |
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| 09:21.10 | bazhang | h4s3, /join # |
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| 09:21.26 | h4s3 | hello |
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| 09:21.33 | h4s3 | my name is h4s3 |
| 09:22.09 | cruncher | h4s3, if you think you are in #ubuntu-de, why you write in english? ;-) |
| 09:22.18 | well_laid_lawn | h4s3: try /j #ubuntu-de |
| 09:22.25 | cruncher | h4s3, the full command you probably wanted was /join #ubuntu-de |
| 09:22.55 | h4s3 | nur so |
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| 09:23.18 | h4s3 | ubuntu rulez |
| 09:23.35 | well_laid_lawn | trollolloll |
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| 09:23.42 | h4s3 | my ryzen is bad under debian linux |
| 09:23.42 | Trap-Chan | huh, didn't see that text cruncher. i'll try again |
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| 09:24.03 | h4s3 | and now i try ubuntu |
| 09:24.04 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, in case you cant find it, sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg |
| 09:24.59 | h4s3 | Has the live dvd from strech the bug by installing the os |
| 09:25.26 | well_laid_lawn | trollolloll |
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| 09:26.22 | Trap-Chan | k, ran that and it said it is not installed. >.< |
| 09:26.38 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, then you know what to do |
| 09:26.45 | KjetilK | If I have a SSD and HDD in a KVM RAID, will I be able to take advantage of the bootup performance of the SSD? |
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| 09:28.54 | Trap-Chan | cruncher, nop. not a clue. sorry i'm such a twit. |
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| 09:29.05 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, lol... install it :D |
| 09:29.31 | Trap-Chan | as in run the install argument again? that didn't do anything again. |
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| 09:29.37 | cruncher | apt-get install libdvd-pkg |
| 09:29.54 | cruncher | then dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg |
| 09:29.56 | BVale | hi, is it possible that there is no official install image for ppc32 systems anymore ? |
| 09:30.00 | cruncher | (both with sudo) |
| 09:30.44 | Trap-Chan | doing that results in no change. |
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| 09:30.55 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, what you mean "no change" |
| 09:31.23 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, maybe you should show the in&output from each command in as paste |
| 09:31.30 | cruncher | *in a paste |
| 09:31.30 | Trap-Chan | the install tells me that 0 were changed installed upgraded or removed and the reconfig tells me it still isn't installed. |
| 09:31.54 | h4s3 | rm * -rf / |
| 09:32.11 | well_laid_lawn | repo issue then |
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| 09:32.46 | cruncher | no, if the repo wouldnt work, that would be later, after selecting "downlaod source" |
| 09:33.10 | Pymous | Hello there ! I have an issue with my libssh2 it seems, when I try to curl something in https, I get this error : curl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: undefined symbol: libssh2_scp_recv2 |
| 09:33.16 | ws2k3 | i just did a fresh install of debian 9 and now im getting ifconfig command not found. what can this be? |
| 09:33.34 | cruncher | ws2k3, ifconfig is deprecated, use ip |
| 09:34.28 | Trap-Chan | paste.debian.net/982655/ |
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| 09:37.44 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, well, now i believe you |
| 09:37.48 | forcerecon | any chance we can get the nvidia driver updated to 384.69 |
| 09:37.59 | Trap-Chan | hrm? |
| 09:38.07 | well_laid_lawn | check in /tmp for a locck file |
| 09:38.14 | well_laid_lawn | check in /tmp for a lock file |
| 09:38.39 | Trap-Chan | is there a way to do so other than using thunar? |
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| 09:38.57 | well_laid_lawn | ls |
| 09:39.11 | well_laid_lawn | el ess |
| 09:39.38 | Trap-Chan | k did ls /tmp/ and there is no lock file in it. |
| 09:40.04 | well_laid_lawn | try ls -a |
| 09:40.22 | Trap-Chan | .x0-lock |
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| 09:40.32 | well_laid_lawn | not apt |
| 09:40.42 | well_laid_lawn | ok |
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| 09:41.05 | well_laid_lawn | something has the apt database loccked |
| 09:41.27 | Trap-Chan | can you ls for a specific file like dir in dos? somethign like ls -a /tmp/ *lock*? |
| 09:41.45 | well_laid_lawn | line 43 in our paste |
| 09:43.01 | Trap-Chan | at line 50 i ran the argument it tells me to |
| 09:43.16 | Trap-Chan | 45* sorry |
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| 09:45.44 | cruncher | no, its nothing locked |
| 09:45.59 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, can you paste the /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 09:47.30 | cruncher | there is obviously some problem on your system, the dpkg-reconfigure should work without problems |
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| 09:48.01 | Trap-Chan | paste.debian.net/982658 |
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| 09:51.57 | Trap-Chan | cruncher, any chance you are seeing what i may have done wrong? |
| 09:52.16 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, did you just install debian? |
| 09:52.22 | Trap-Chan | yep |
| 09:52.46 | Trap-Chan | it's been a surprisingly buggy start. |
| 09:53.13 | h4s3 | eine wanze startet |
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| 09:57.22 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvd-pkg.list |
| 09:58.06 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, or better .../libdvd-pkg* to see if all is there |
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| 09:59.43 | Trap-Chan | 6 files |
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| 10:00.03 | Trap-Chan | config, list, md5sums, postinst templates |
| 10:00.16 | Trap-Chan | and postrm oops |
| 10:00.27 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 10:02.40 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, try apt-get install --reinstall libdvd-pkg |
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| 10:05.19 | Trap-Chan | no change. though it didn't say the thing about the lock this time. |
| 10:05.33 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, yeah, try now dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:05.42 | Trap-Chan | that's how i know there is no change |
| 10:05.46 | Trap-Chan | it says still not installed |
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| 10:07.52 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, when you did install the package, did you get a "window" (where you had to press Ok) telling you what you do? |
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| 10:08.45 | Trap-Chan | i got a cli "window" saying that if i say yes libdvdcss2 will support auto update or something like that. |
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| 10:11.12 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, what say dpkg -l libdvd-pkg |
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| 10:11.31 | cruncher | the first 1 letters in fron of package name |
| 10:11.35 | cruncher | *2 letters |
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| 10:13.23 | Trap-Chan | ii |
| 10:13.48 | cruncher | its really strange it says the package is not installed |
| 10:13.51 | Trap-Chan | paste.debian.net/982664/ << fwiw. |
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| 10:15.45 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, to be sure, dpkg-query -s libdvd-pkg, and check the "Status:" line |
| 10:16.16 | cruncher | it should say "install ok installed" |
| 10:16.30 | Trap-Chan | installed ok installed |
| 10:16.34 | cruncher | then, to test, do dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 10:16.41 | cruncher | if it shows you something, just press cancel |
| 10:17.34 | Trap-Chan | ...command not found? |
| 10:17.51 | Trap-Chan | haven't we been using that command though? |
| 10:17.54 | cruncher | check spelling |
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| 10:18.50 | Trap-Chan | ahh it's because i forgot to sudo it. |
| 10:19.06 | bazhang | hahaha |
| 10:19.12 | cruncher | yeah |
| 10:19.17 | bazhang | that'll do it |
| 10:19.24 | cruncher | or i could have mentioned it, but i dont every time... |
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| 10:20.11 | Trap-Chan | ok so one thing says it's installed and the other says no? |
| 10:20.24 | cruncher | so it worked? did you press cancel? |
| 10:20.26 | Trap-Chan | anyway doing the console-setup brought up a window yeah. |
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| 10:20.42 | cruncher | yeah, thats the strange thing.. all "seems" to work, but not on the libdvd-pkg |
| 10:20.47 | cruncher | but it does here when i tested it |
| 10:21.10 | Trap-Chan | the query sees the package but nothing else. so weird. |
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| 10:22.53 | Trap-Chan | if we figure this out will this lib make cody see dvds too or will this only effect vlc and we'll need another package for kodi? |
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| 10:26.21 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, dpkg -P libdvd-pkg |
| 10:26.37 | Trap-Chan | this one is sudo yeah? |
| 10:26.48 | cruncher | yeah |
| 10:27.21 | cruncher | then, cd /var/cache/apt/archives, then dpkg -i libdvd-pkg and press TAB |
| 10:27.38 | Trap-Chan | dependancy problems |
| 10:28.21 | cruncher | paste |
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| 10:28.55 | Trap-Chan | well something odd. on a whim i decided to try opening vlc with my dvd again. and this time it worked just dandy. |
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| 10:29.38 | Trap-Chan | should i still paste? |
| 10:29.43 | cruncher | yes |
| 10:31.39 | Trap-Chan | paste.debian.net/982668 |
| 10:31.55 | cruncher | lol |
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| 10:32.08 | cruncher | you already installed libdvdcss2 |
| 10:32.44 | Trap-Chan | ... ... ...i just wasted a ton of your time, i am so bloody sorry. somehow when doing the reconfig i typed lb not lib and kept making that same typo i'm guessing. |
| 10:32.48 | cruncher | Trap-Chan, whats output of dpkg -l libdvdcss2 |
| 10:32.58 | cruncher | what version does it show |
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| 10:33.49 | Trap-Chan | 1.4.0-1-loca |
| 10:33.59 | cruncher | so you already doenloaded & installed it |
| 10:34.03 | cruncher | resp, compiled |
| 10:34.11 | cruncher | how could you not note that? |
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| 10:34.20 | cruncher | well, anyway |
| 10:34.34 | cruncher | issue "solved" |
| 10:35.57 | Trap-Chan | now just to figure out loading in chromium-widevine so i can netflix on this box. :P |
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| 10:38.02 | Trap-Chan | looks like it depends on a version of chromium that isn't available on the repo? |
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| 10:38.29 | cruncher | Pymous, #859187 |
| 10:38.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/859187 in libcurl3 (closed): «libcurl3 - undefined symbol: libssh2_scp_recv2»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-03-31; last modified: 2017-05-08. |
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| 10:47.58 | ChrisH | I just replaced a failed Disk in an mdadm Raid via (fdisk, mdadm --add, grub-install, update-grub); Did I missed something? |
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| 10:52.31 | Trap-Chan | have any of you gotten netflix on debian? |
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| 10:53.07 | unixbassen | Trap-Chan: I belive you can watch netflix through firefox |
| 10:53.20 | bazhang | Trap-Chan, with firefox? |
| 10:53.34 | Trap-Chan | it takes me to a page saying that with the right browser i can watch it. |
| 10:53.36 | unixbassen | https://linuxconfig.org/play-netflix-on-linux-with-firefox |
| 10:53.52 | unixbassen | Trap-Chan: this might help ^ |
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| 10:56.15 | Trap-Chan | hrm...seems i need a newer version of firefox than the debian repo supports? |
| 10:56.28 | bazhang | ,v firefox |
| 10:56.29 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0.2-1 |
| 10:56.36 | bazhang | which one |
| 10:56.49 | funabashi | hi guys can anyone be nice and tell me about when i do command "w" i see load, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.16 what does this mean? CPU and memory or what? |
| 10:56.53 | Trap-Chan | 49 i have 45 and apt-get says it's up to date. |
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| 10:57.57 | Trap-Chan | ohh gotta add backports. |
| 10:58.07 | cruncher | funabashi, man w |
| 10:58.09 | Trap-Chan | but wait that says jessie not stretch. so i'm screwed? |
| 10:58.30 | cruncher | under Description, first section |
| 11:00.18 | funabashi | cruncher: ok lets say i had high load on this 1 hour ago, how can i further troubleshoot this ? |
| 11:00.28 | funabashi | other than var/log/messages |
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| 11:02.45 | cruncher | funabashi, i dont think thats possible, since you dont have anything configured that records continuous cpu usage |
| 11:03.37 | cruncher | if i understood you corretly that you want to find out which process was using lets say 100% 1h ago |
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| 11:04.52 | Trap-Chan | wow i durped hard again. didn't reset firefox-esr when i updated it so it was still running the old version. so used to updates forcing me to rebootthe app. |
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| 11:07.07 | bezaban | funabashi: for future use you can install sysstat |
| 11:07.34 | cruncher | funabashi, for future, install some monitoring software, or check out tool sar (package sysstat) |
| 11:07.54 | Pymous | Thanks you cruncher for the bug report |
| 11:08.36 | Pymous | Sadly, I don't understand how to fix it cruncher |
| 11:08.39 | bezaban | actually, not sure if that would give you process/pid info |
| 11:09.05 | cruncher | Pymous, did you install/change something related to openssl? |
| 11:09.26 | Pymous | Before upgrading to stretch, I installed the stretch version of openssl on my jessie |
| 11:09.58 | Pymous | Do I need to reinstall openssl ? |
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| 11:11.55 | Pymous | apt-get install --reinstall openssl doesn't fix the issue |
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| 11:16.28 | cruncher | Pymous, if you can, whats the exact curl command you use? |
| 11:16.38 | Pymous | curl https://google.fr |
| 11:16.41 | Pymous | Nothing more |
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| 11:21.17 | cruncher | Pymous, i guess you have libssl1.0.2 installed? also try https://www.google.fr |
| 11:22.33 | Pymous | cruncher : 1.1.0f-3 |
| 11:22.46 | Pymous | I tried googling the issue, but it's not clear |
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| 11:23.28 | cruncher | Pymous, thats the version for libssl1.1, not libssl1.0.2 |
| 11:23.46 | Pymous | It's the openssl version, sorry |
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| 11:25.18 | Pymous | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.41 | cruncher | no, name of package libssl1.0.2 |
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| 11:26.53 | Pymous | Installed: 1.0.2l-2 |
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| 11:27.04 | cruncher | ok |
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| 11:27.15 | cruncher | and curl version? |
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| 11:27.35 | Pymous | Installed: 7.52.1-5 |
| 11:27.39 | Pymous | For cURL |
| 11:27.39 | FinalX | Pymous: apt-cache policy openssl |
| 11:27.52 | Pymous | openSSL : Installed: 1.1.0f-3 |
| 11:28.40 | FinalX | but check below it, is the one you have installed from the stretch repo? (the installed one is denoted with *** in front) |
| 11:28.53 | FinalX | if so, then you already have the stretch repo package |
| 11:29.11 | Pymous | FinalX : The full output of the policy |
| 11:29.11 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?a04f81168808f728#j7N0vTotC/0dqkZ//kk+osHbIDeQ+KhoyWJGYxIx2zw= |
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| 11:29.40 | FinalX | ah, you use "stable" instead of "stretch", but stable is currently stretch, so should be fine |
| 11:29.54 | cruncher | Pymous, make sure you have libssh2-1 instaleld, since the function is there |
| 11:30.15 | cruncher | v 1.7.0-1 |
| 11:30.35 | Pymous | cruncher : libssh2-1 is already the newest version (1.7.0-1). |
| 11:30.56 | cruncher | Pymous, try reinstalling it |
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| 11:30.56 | Pymous | Thanks for helping by the way |
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| 11:31.22 | Pymous | cruncher : apt-get install --reinstall libssh2-1 : done |
| 11:31.35 | Pymous | Do I need to restart something ? Or I just try to curl ? |
| 11:31.59 | cruncher | Pymous, and also check which libcurl3 lib you have... libcurl3-gnutls? |
| 11:32.00 | cruncher | yes |
| 11:32.07 | cruncher | just try |
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| 11:32.15 | Pymous | Same error |
| 11:32.22 | Pymous | libcurl3-gnutls is already the newest version (7.52.1-5). |
| 11:33.32 | cruncher | Pymous, what say ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl |
| 11:33.40 | cruncher | *says |
| 11:34.01 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?f21d2a4735cc1492#rKSkmOMZX95E3xOzfNvLaFLK02V39R0vP3wAvhb+f8s= |
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| 11:36.06 | \renaud | hello |
| 11:36.20 | \renaud | is there a way to restrict a network interface to either 2.4ghz or 5ghz? |
| 11:36.26 | cruncher | Pymous, this isnt a newly installed system,right? |
| 11:36.33 | Trap-Chan | does debian have something akin to the autostart folder in windows? |
| 11:36.49 | Pymous | cruncher : Nop, it's a rather "old" +2 years, installed on jessie, updated to stretch yesterday |
| 11:37.02 | Pymous | Trap-Chan : /etc/init.d |
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| 11:37.29 | cruncher | try more like ~/.config/autostart |
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| 11:37.47 | Pymous | or update-rc.d |
| 11:37.55 | Pymous | Plenty of options, depending on what you're trying to do :) |
| 11:38.01 | cruncher | Pymous, rename the file "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0" to ***.old, and try again |
| 11:38.14 | cruncher | yes, but those need root to do it ;-) |
| 11:38.22 | cruncher | and are system wide |
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| 11:38.47 | Pymous | cruncher : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:38.58 | cruncher | Pymous, seems you have some "survivors" from oldstable, and my guess is they interfere with the newer version |
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| 11:39.17 | Pymous | probably, but how can I clean it up ? |
| 11:39.42 | Pymous | and you're right, all my proposition does require root, yours is more suitable for a user |
| 11:39.54 | cruncher | Pymous, run ldconfig after renaming the file |
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| 11:40.26 | Pymous | cruncher : same error (cannot open shared object file) |
| 11:41.13 | Trap-Chan | so if i just want steam to boot in BP when the computer is turned on what would be the best method? i'm thinking i'll have this HTPC up and running if i set netflix as home in firefox, add firefox and kodi to the steam apps and set steam to autostart. |
| 11:41.17 | cruncher | Pymous, well, instead of reinstalling/dpkg-reconfiguring all related packages, you could try a reboot |
| 11:41.29 | cruncher | Pymous, are all your püackages uptodate? |
| 11:41.38 | cruncher | i just hope nothign fancy needs the old version |
| 11:41.48 | Pymous | It's kinda a production server, if I can avoid it, it would be nice (I still can, if really needed) |
| 11:41.56 | FinalX | apt list --installed | grep -v '/stable,' |
| 11:41.56 | cruncher | Pymous, then dont |
| 11:41.59 | Pymous | And I rebooted this night once already after the dist upgrade |
| 11:42.08 | Pymous | All my packages are uptodate |
| 11:42.29 | cruncher | Pymous, just reinstall libcurl3 |
| 11:42.40 | Pymous | FinalX : https://paste.clapity.eu/?c108de2c609334d7#cjUNNhBeh71f+NTS8dETlTRr4tu2m4DHpSHDisGnrjY= |
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| 11:42.47 | FinalX | Pymous: with apt list --installed, you can get a list of all your installed packages, packages that belong to your current stable, will be <packagename>/stable at the start of each line. anything else is foreign. |
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| 11:43.12 | Pymous | cruncher : https://paste.clapity.eu/?7c6f8dadd2fcc521#4oeyDhn5Wv5zynmWFy1aXXSuFyb3sb2rItaZovrQB/c= |
| 11:43.35 | FinalX | ....seems like a hell of a lot of external/foreign packages that are not coming from your stable source. I don't know what "/now" is though. |
| 11:44.16 | FinalX | I also see in the list, amongst other things: libssl1.0.0/now 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6 amd64 [installed,local] |
| 11:44.25 | FinalX | that's not stretch's own |
| 11:44.26 | Pymous | FinalX : apt list --installed => https://paste.clapity.eu/?9b9afc5175036073#rsZR7GXKcP1RRRPF8cmwpIGxHM40rd3oXULbEN7xjk4= |
| 11:44.31 | cruncher | oh, you have a package installed named libssl1.0.0 |
| 11:44.40 | Pymous | Do I remove it ? |
| 11:44.41 | cruncher | may we see your sources.list? |
| 11:44.44 | Pymous | Ofc |
| 11:45.07 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?c87feb88f814ac91#/znvnqSGIOuDSpVuLNPU0lWFX2Yrmx191x5SefWEJog= |
| 11:45.09 | FinalX | You have 3 installed libssl packages. |
| 11:45.14 | Pymous | Everything else (older version) is commented |
| 11:45.18 | FinalX | That's bound to go wrong. |
| 11:45.27 | Pymous | I'd gladly kick them out |
| 11:45.30 | FinalX | You should probably apt-get remove libssl1.0.0/now |
| 11:45.34 | cruncher | FinalX, yep, thas the problem he experiences right now |
| 11:45.52 | cruncher | yes, remove 1.0.0, then you'll see if somethign depends on it |
| 11:45.54 | FinalX | the rest is from "stable", so that's correct |
| 11:45.55 | Pymous | apt purge libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.0 libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1 ? |
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| 11:46.01 | Pymous | Or just the 1.0.0 ? |
| 11:46.06 | cruncher | leave the 1.0.2 |
| 11:46.08 | FinalX | no, just the libssl1.0.0, but specifically libssl1.0.0/now |
| 11:46.25 | cruncher | important is to remove the 1.0.0 |
| 11:46.34 | cruncher | thats the culprit |
| 11:46.45 | Pymous | And I reinstall it after ? |
| 11:46.56 | cruncher | no |
| 11:47.01 | FinalX | as you can see, on the same line it ends with "local", which means it is not from a repository you have currently configured |
| 11:47.17 | Pymous | cruncher : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:47.20 | Pymous | ldconf ? |
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| 11:47.31 | cruncher | did you remove 1.0.0? |
| 11:47.36 | Pymous | Yes |
| 11:47.48 | cruncher | no, ldconfig should have been run postinst |
| 11:47.54 | FinalX | Pymous: your curl version comes from both stable and "now", try reinstalling it after removing that libssl |
| 11:47.54 | Pymous | (and it removed my Percona, but meh, it can hold a minute) |
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| 11:48.11 | FinalX | ah, I guess some of your other packages weren't ready to go to stretch yet, then :| |
| 11:48.49 | Pymous | They can wait, it's just a database, a bit of downtime won't bother if it's "short" |
| 11:49.16 | Pymous | So I removed libssl1.0 and reinstalled curl |
| 11:49.17 | Pymous | curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:49.19 | Pymous | Stil this error |
| 11:49.20 | FinalX | well, "just", I see mysqlclient installed, and stretch doesn't have mysql |
| 11:49.26 | FinalX | odd. hm. |
| 11:49.28 | cruncher | like finalx says... |
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| 11:49.53 | FinalX | Pymous: try reinstalling the other libssl's, it might've shared paths before and messed things up, same happens with debian nginx packages and those of nginx.org |
| 11:50.16 | FinalX | and removing the 1.0.0 will not have restored the other package's links |
| 11:50.17 | Pymous | It seems that libcurl still expect libssl1.0.0 : https://paste.clapity.eu/?3be4336961fa8291#MbAkAT7G2oTwC2KVyVCDhRdcO+ctezQBxyjG7ei1tEw= |
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| 11:50.25 | ws2k3 | systemd show me that i have loaded /system.slice/mysql.service but where can i find this file? |
| 11:50.37 | Pymous | FinalX : So I purge every libssl I have on the list ? |
| 11:50.50 | abrotman | ws2k3: that's just mysql .. |
| 11:50.52 | cruncher | Pymous, no, many packages depend on them, and you would have to remove them all if you do |
| 11:50.54 | FinalX | no, just forcibly reinstall over it |
| 11:51.00 | cruncher | ^ |
| 11:51.18 | Pymous | Here is my installed package right now : https://paste.clapity.eu/?87d9b7731f251033#rAFrWxN9tH42IHJ+SRudrkiPzQxBhi+XiQiicsT52nQ= |
| 11:51.47 | cruncher | Pymous, and do "ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl" again |
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| 11:52.03 | Pymous | FinalX : apt-get install libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1 then ? |
| 11:52.22 | Pymous | cruncher : https://paste.clapity.eu/?3be4336961fa8291#MbAkAT7G2oTwC2KVyVCDhRdcO+ctezQBxyjG7ei1tEw= |
| 11:52.55 | FinalX | curl depends on libssl1.0.2 AND libssl1.1; libssl1.0.2 should provide the 1.0.0. links afaik |
| 11:53.10 | cruncher | Pymous, lsof | grep libssl |
| 11:53.27 | FinalX | i just started a stretch container, gonna go check |
| 11:54.11 | FinalX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.51 | FinalX | that's what stretch's own curl seems to use out of the box. and that is provided by libssl1.0.2 |
| 11:54.59 | cruncher | Pymous, still, even if curl would work, that percona wouldnt since it depends on 1.0.0 |
| 11:55.14 | Pymous | cruncher : The lsof you asked : https://paste.clapity.eu/?9bd8286ecb1ad1a9#DN8uxk3QQ7Ku7VXyRzwgx6L00sRACggRX5QK6g5LgFs= |
| 11:55.25 | Pymous | cruncher : I will bother with Percona later, don't worry |
| 11:55.36 | FinalX | cruncher: well, in jessie libssl1.0.0 was also provided by higher |
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| 11:58.31 | cruncher | probably it wasnt removed because a installed package (percona) depended on it |
| 11:59.27 | Pymous | cruncher : https://paste.clapity.eu/?4aa664938a023c65#wFOz2rW4D3ir23fG0BkgtdXh1cQyTfWX7B6NlJlCvs0= |
| 11:59.34 | Pymous | I have this weird output trying to reinstall |
| 11:59.38 | Pymous | to purge |
| 11:59.39 | Pymous | sorry |
| 11:59.44 | FinalX | yeah, that percona thing makes most sense. hm. |
| 11:59.55 | Pymous | FinalX : I removed the percona package |
| 12:00.06 | FinalX | Pymous: noooo, don't purge. forcibly reinstall them, a lot will depend on them. half the system will. |
| 12:00.30 | FinalX | apt install --reinstall libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1 |
| 12:00.43 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?84dab437ec3e2332#CsB4TR3d+cuF+m9MKs0aJS2KS17yy845qkCRwCaFFrI= |
| 12:00.50 | cruncher | Pymous, remove only 1.0.0, reinstall (overwrite) the others |
| 12:00.59 | FinalX | it'll fetch them again, unpack them again (and thus overwriting existing files) and run the processing scripts again |
| 12:01.20 | cruncher | Pymous, just curious... lsof | grep libcurl |
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| 12:01.52 | FinalX | what if you do the same for curl? apt install --reinstall curl ? |
| 12:01.58 | Pymous | removed 1.0.0-dev, reinstalled 1.0.2 and 1.1, still the cannot open error |
| 12:02.06 | Pymous | the lsof doesn't return anything cruncher |
| 12:02.09 | FinalX | what the heck :) |
| 12:02.17 | cruncher | apt-get install --reinstall curl libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls |
| 12:02.26 | Pymous | FinalX : no change when reinstalling curl |
| 12:02.41 | Pymous | cruncher : Stil the error :( |
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| 12:04.07 | Pymous | cruncher : ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl still return libssl.so.1.0.0 => not found |
| 12:04.14 | Pymous | It's like it's keep on excpecting it |
| 12:04.23 | FinalX | it does, but why o.O |
| 12:04.30 | Pymous | Good question |
| 12:04.40 | FinalX | dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 is installed! |
| 12:04.45 | FinalX | hush, dpkg |
| 12:04.46 | Pymous | I don't have a good answer sadly :( |
| 12:04.57 | Pymous | FinalX : libcurl3:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 |
| 12:05.13 | FinalX | Pymous: with that you can find out which package that file came from. then you can apt-cache policy it, or maybe reinstall it, as well |
| 12:05.30 | FinalX | as per cruncher's earlier suggestion.. not sure you actually did that too already |
| 12:05.43 | Pymous | So apt-get install --reinstall libcurl3:amd64 ? |
| 12:05.49 | FinalX | yes |
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| 12:06.13 | FinalX | it _could_ be that libcurl is in use by other things, hence cruncher's lsof earlier. in that case it might need restarting of other services that depend on it |
| 12:06.13 | Pymous | Same error, libcurl still expecting 1.0.0 |
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| 12:06.27 | Pymous | lsof | grep libcurl ? |
| 12:06.28 | Pymous | This lsof ? |
| 12:06.32 | cruncher | yeah, thats why i bet a reboot will do wonders |
| 12:06.35 | FinalX | yeah. i'm betting it's your PHP. |
| 12:06.45 | Pymous | the lsof doesn't return anything |
| 12:06.47 | FinalX | PHP also uses curl. |
| 12:07.15 | FinalX | eh, actually. not so sure since you don't have its module installed. but you also seem to have leftover PHP5 images, too. |
| 12:07.23 | FinalX | packages* |
| 12:07.29 | Pymous | I stoped my fpm |
| 12:07.39 | Pymous | ldd still expect 1.0.0 |
| 12:08.06 | FinalX | Pymous: apt-cache rdepends libcurl3 |
| 12:08.14 | FinalX | then you get a list of packages that depend on that package |
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| 12:08.54 | FinalX | oh, you might want to use --installed as parameter to see INSTALLED packages that depend on it |
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| 12:08.56 | Pymous | FinalX : Quite a lot : https://paste.clapity.eu/?2158a3a6add23323#Ije1OYPeSrJtcgZvQBPD3apmpFwSWZVsjQ2dDkgsDqI= |
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| 12:09.13 | FinalX | Pymous: sorry, I should've mentioned that --installed first. been a while for me :) |
| 12:09.19 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?58fcbe38503c00e0#OsYaMNok0kuNZJ3CKxLvKnLSyRBhqV4ncSCB9YmIZig= |
| 12:09.21 | Pymous | Much shorter :D |
| 12:09.31 | bollo | how can I stop gnome from muting sound when screen is turned off? |
| 12:09.47 | FinalX | eh, ok. so only curl itself. maybe just apt-get remove --purge curl libcurl3; apt-get install curl # ? |
| 12:09.49 | Vizva | gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr' |
| 12:09.59 | Vizva | in debian 9 |
| 12:10.00 | FinalX | starts to run out of ideas |
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| 12:10.20 | Pymous | FinalX : Done, still the error :( |
| 12:10.23 | Vizva | i did reinstall |
| 12:11.07 | Pymous | FinalX : Which package do I need to remove/reinstall and reboot then ? |
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| 12:11.26 | cruncher | Pymous, ldconfig -p | grep libssl |
| 12:11.48 | Pymous | cruncher : https://paste.clapity.eu/?fdfba67e57eaff37#slaAD7JTW5qWX6KEocYTlC9/s3LiDwC1TXhFrl7FsSI= |
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| 12:12.20 | cruncher | Pymous, so its not anymore in the cahe. good. Now we have to find out why curl still uses the (removed) 1.0.0 |
| 12:12.26 | cruncher | s/cahe/cache |
| 12:12.40 | FinalX | Pymous: this is the output on a fresh stretch system https://paste.clapity.eu/?4149ba007d100732#1u3aQsgiql7eqpaKt1GraenoATO58up8z9UaKvFXATc= |
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| 12:12.50 | cruncher | Pymous, ps aux | grep curl |
| 12:12.57 | hellyeah | how to add support for "386" |
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| 12:13.12 | gpunk | i386 ? |
| 12:13.15 | Pymous | cruncher : The only line : root 35978 0.0 0.0 12784 1024 pts/1 S+ 14:13 0:00 grep curl |
| 12:13.24 | FinalX | cruncher / Pymous: why is there a libssl3.so and no libssl.so ? |
| 12:13.25 | Pymous | FinalX : I don't doubt it, sadly, this isn't a fresh one :( |
| 12:13.26 | cruncher | Pymous, good, no hung process |
| 12:13.28 | Pymous | It's my old friend |
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| 12:13.48 | cruncher | Pymous, lsof | grep curl |
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| 12:13.55 | FinalX | Pymous: I pasted it so you can find discrepancies between yours and a fresh one, to figure out what you have that shouldn't be there, and what you don't have that should. |
| 12:13.56 | cruncher | will be quite a lot probably.. but lets see |
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| 12:14.06 | Pymous | cruncher : no line |
| 12:14.15 | FinalX | you are missing: libssl.so (libc6,x86-64) => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so |
| 12:14.25 | FinalX | you have that shouldn't be there: libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl3.so |
| 12:14.39 | FinalX | so there's still something weird going on with the ssl libs. |
| 12:14.44 | Pymous | I have no idea where libssl3 is coming from |
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| 12:15.06 | hellyeah | gpunk: i386 yea |
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| 12:15.13 | gpunk | ti what ? |
| 12:15.16 | gpunk | to* |
| 12:15.33 | cruncher | FinalX, on my fresh stretch i dont have libssl.so either |
| 12:15.49 | FinalX | cruncher: i installed curl and openssl |
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| 12:16.12 | cruncher | hellyeah, dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 12:16.23 | ioria | cruncher, it's in libssl-dev i guess |
| 12:16.44 | hellyeah | thanmkls |
| 12:16.46 | hellyeah | thanks |
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| 12:16.48 | cruncher | ioria, yeah,. just saying... its not on a "fresh" stretch |
| 12:16.56 | ioria | yep |
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| 12:17.05 | cruncher | (without having installed it manually) |
| 12:17.29 | cruncher | meaning, dont worry about libssl.so |
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| 12:17.32 | Pymous | FinalX : How can I find which package those .so are coming from ? |
| 12:17.34 | cruncher | Pymous, ^ |
| 12:17.46 | Pymous | I don't worry about any files, I like all the files |
| 12:17.55 | cruncher | the problem, i instaleld 1.0.0 to get the same error, but i cant reproduce :D |
| 12:17.57 | Pymous | But I worry about not having a working curl :D |
| 12:18.09 | Pymous | cruncher : I don't have 1.0.0 installed anymore |
| 12:18.12 | cruncher | i know |
| 12:18.32 | cruncher | Pymous, are you on a terminal? or on tty? |
| 12:18.49 | Pymous | terminal |
| 12:19.03 | cruncher | close it, and open new one |
| 12:19.20 | Pymous | done, then ? |
| 12:19.23 | cruncher | try again |
| 12:19.31 | forcerecon | can anyone help me solve this non issue, just to clean up boot - http://i.imgur.com/DY40FIo.jpg |
| 12:19.35 | Pymous | Same issue |
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| 12:21.00 | cruncher | forcerecon, "issue"? ... just enter the password :D |
| 12:21.28 | forcerecon | yeah I am aware of the password, but what about the lines before the request |
| 12:21.33 | gpunk | unless some hacker encrypted your drivee |
| 12:21.38 | cruncher | forcerecon, they are normal |
| 12:21.48 | cruncher | first it tries to oen it normally, hence the messages |
| 12:21.55 | cruncher | s/oen/open |
| 12:22.15 | forcerecon | ahh... I understand now.. |
| 12:22.19 | forcerecon | okeedo |
| 12:22.23 | forcerecon | thanks |
| 12:22.26 | cruncher | np |
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| 12:24.33 | hellyeah | Archive: android-studio-ide-162.4069837-linux.zip caution: filename not matched: ../../../opt/ |
| 12:24.43 | hellyeah | do you know the meaning of that error? |
| 12:24.49 | Pymous | cruncher / FinalX : Is that normal ? https://paste.clapity.eu/?d2cc3f04e1b928a6#S5jaQQ0ggOr8naBwaHhAA4NoYVzV3NLb0e/kSmsdDl4= |
| 12:25.10 | Vizva | someone knows anything about my missing dirmngr in gnupg? |
| 12:25.17 | ioria | Pymous, btw, libssl3 should be from libnss3 |
| 12:25.46 | Pymous | Like I said ioria, sadly, I don't know where libssl3 even come from :( |
| 12:25.58 | cruncher | Pymous, yes, those 6 files are ok |
| 12:26.09 | ioria | Pymous, i told you |
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| 12:26.16 | Pymous | Including a reboot, what can I do now ? |
| 12:26.29 | Pymous | ioria : Sorry, I didn't saw then |
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| 12:28.00 | cruncher | Pymous, do you have another user you can "su" to and try curl? want to know if maybe its user related |
| 12:28.11 | Pymous | Yup |
| 12:28.28 | Pymous | bethel@clapity:~$ curl https://google.fr |
| 12:28.28 | Pymous | curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:28.30 | Pymous | Same issue |
| 12:28.41 | cruncher | (just coming up with ideas to not to reboot and to get to know the problem better) :D |
| 12:28.43 | Pymous | (by the way, I still have the ***.so we renamed earlier, if needed) |
| 12:28.57 | Pymous | If rebooting is the easiest way to fix it, let's go |
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| 12:29.06 | cruncher | well. a dirty hack/test you can try: |
| 12:29.08 | Pymous | With PHP and my database down, except the IRC, I don't have much left :D |
| 12:29.24 | Iridos | you manually deleted/moved the runtime library⦠|
| 12:29.33 | Iridos | you should probably at least run ldconfig |
| 12:29.36 | Pymous | Iridos : As asked, yes |
| 12:29.39 | Pymous | I did yes |
| 12:30.06 | cmhobbs | i've got claws-mail and gpg installed. claws-mail used to pop up a prompt asking for my password but now it sasy "inappropriate ioctl for device" unless i decrypt something in a terminal first (which pops up a text prompt for my password). does anyone know what package provides that graphical password prompt? |
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| 12:30.41 | Iridos | well, try to remove the package with apt-get ⦠maybe move the library back before |
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| 12:30.58 | Iridos | it should tell you if anything depends on that |
| 12:31.06 | Iridos | hm, actually |
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| 12:32.37 | cruncher | Pymous, ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 |
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| 12:32.40 | Iridos | judd, versions libssl1.0.2 |
| 12:32.41 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- buster: 1.0.2l-2; sid: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2 |
| 12:32.43 | Iridos | judd, versions libssl1.0.0 |
| 12:32.44 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1 |
| 12:33.01 | Pymous | cruncher : That's real dirty |
| 12:33.02 | Iridos | judd, versions libcurl |
| 12:33.02 | Pymous | I like it |
| 12:33.03 | judd | No package named 'libcurl' was found in amd64. |
| 12:33.15 | cruncher | ldconfig afterwards, then try again |
| 12:33.31 | Pymous | cruncher : root@clapity:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl |
| 12:33.31 | Pymous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.33 | Pymous | Sorry |
| 12:33.49 | cruncher | and curl htt...? |
| 12:33.50 | Pymous | But yet, curl : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:34.15 | Pymous | That was clever |
| 12:34.18 | Iridos | judd, versions libcurl3 |
| 12:34.19 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy20; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; stretch: 7.52.1-5; buster: 7.55.0-1; sid: 7.55.0-1 |
| 12:34.32 | Pymous | Oh wait, it's libcrypto.so it's looking for now |
| 12:35.17 | Pymous | ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 |
| 12:35.18 | Iridos | if nothing vital still depends on libssl1.0.0, you should remove the package anyway |
| 12:35.21 | Pymous | Let's stay dirty |
| 12:35.26 | Iridos | and actually apt-get autoremove should do it |
| 12:35.26 | Pymous | Iridos : It's removed |
| 12:35.29 | cruncher | Pymous, since there are only 2 *.so files in the package, lets try the same procedure with libcrypto |
| 12:35.32 | Pymous | It doesn't |
| 12:35.47 | cruncher | Iridos, the package was removed long ago |
| 12:35.58 | Iridos | I thought only the .so file was removed |
| 12:36.10 | Pymous | cruncher : New mission : https://paste.clapity.eu/?51dbca184f410bdc#NPkS0XrG9L9baoQpzq/a7eajTaJwXsdiRgWwaFfTKww= |
| 12:36.19 | cruncher | Pymous, rename the libcrypto, then ln -s it again like before (but change then names of course) |
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| 12:36.57 | Pymous | Already done cruncher, new error message |
| 12:37.01 | cruncher | not backwards compatible |
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| 12:37.25 | Pymous | So I need libssl1.0, libssl1.0.2 doesn't include it ? |
| 12:37.46 | cruncher | no, thats why they have different versions in name |
| 12:38.32 | cruncher | i would say revert all changes, remove the libssl1.0.0 package, then reboot, and fix percona later (look for newer version that has libssl1.0.2 as dependency) |
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| 12:39.56 | Iridos | judd, versions libcrypto.so.1.0.2 |
| 12:39.57 | judd | No package named 'libcrypto.so.1.0.2' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:40.06 | Iridos | judd, versions libcrypto-1.0.2 |
| 12:40.07 | judd | No package named 'libcrypto-1.0.2' was found in amd64. |
| 12:40.23 | cruncher | Iridos, the file is in the same package |
| 12:40.26 | Iridos | judd, versions libssl-1.0.2 |
| 12:40.27 | judd | No package named 'libssl-1.0.2' was found in amd64. |
| 12:40.37 | Iridos | judd, versions libssl1.0.2 |
| 12:40.38 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- buster: 1.0.2l-2; sid: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2 |
| 12:40.45 | Pymous | cruncher : so I remove the .so with linked |
| 12:40.49 | Iridos | sorry, bit noisy |
| 12:40.50 | Pymous | remove 1.0.0 then reboot ? |
| 12:41.00 | dontknow | sound suddenly was broken (pulseaudio) sound come deep and echoed. where should i look first? |
| 12:41.18 | Iridos | uh⦠reboot⦠why |
| 12:41.25 | Pymous | Because nothing works ? |
| 12:41.36 | Pymous | Except if you have another idea |
| 12:41.36 | Pymous | :3 |
| 12:41.38 | Iridos | well⦠switched-off computers usually don't work better |
| 12:41.39 | cruncher | Pymous, the symlinks /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 + libcrpyto.so.1.0.0 |
| 12:41.49 | Iridos | except as a doorstop |
| 12:42.02 | Pymous | That's not really helpfull isn't it ? |
| 12:42.08 | Pymous | cruncher : Done |
| 12:42.12 | Iridos | well |
| 12:42.44 | Iridos | I was actually trying to think what could have gone wrong |
| 12:43.02 | cruncher | Pymous, wait, maybe iridos has an idea |
| 12:43.12 | Iridos | the symlink-stuff makes it harder to come up with something |
| 12:43.17 | cruncher | basically all was fine, just curl still wanted the old 1.0.0 |
| 12:43.31 | Iridos | if you removed the package⦠can you show the ldd output again |
| 12:43.35 | Pymous | Iridos : The symlink is reverted |
| 12:43.35 | cruncher | Pymous, and you are sure you removed the libssl1.0.0 package? |
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| 12:43.51 | Pymous | Package 'libssl1.0.0' is not installed, so not removed |
| 12:43.59 | cruncher | (i mean before, during all the trying) |
| 12:44.14 | Pymous | The ldd changed : https://paste.clapity.eu/?300a3c5d41a58032#SbJR0Sfnvlz4Qklc5EFAxCCHe5NNS+ehN7QNklNslhk= |
| 12:44.22 | Pymous | cruncher : Yes, it was removed |
| 12:44.54 | Iridos | so why do you still have a libssl.so.1.0.0 |
| 12:45.26 | Pymous | That's the issue, basically |
| 12:45.31 | Pymous | gnu still counting on the 1.0.0 |
| 12:45.35 | Pymous | Even if it's removed |
| 12:45.44 | Iridos | no |
| 12:45.45 | cruncher | Pymous, install libssl1.0.0 now, then purge it again |
| 12:46.01 | Iridos | you have a file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 and you say you don't have the package |
| 12:46.11 | Pymous | cruncher : https://paste.clapity.eu/?1f0119d733ebb0e0#HkEpkE3tBftcXHMkb1/OtmhnlTVMNmSY14z8VK+qVpo= |
| 12:46.27 | Pymous | Iridos : Exactly |
| 12:46.30 | Iridos | all right⦠the continue doing random shit that just muddies the waters more |
| 12:46.37 | Iridos | good luck |
| 12:46.44 | cruncher | Pymous, you should probably still have it under /var/cache/apt/archives/libsll1...xxx, if so, install with dpkg -i |
| 12:47.05 | cruncher | like that it should be all of it removed |
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| 12:47.18 | cruncher | but Iridos is right.. how come the files are still there but the package not? |
| 12:47.25 | Pymous | I don't know |
| 12:47.38 | Pymous | i don't have a deb for 1.0.0, only 1.0.2 |
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| 12:47.47 | BluesKaj | conf files |
| 12:47.47 | Pymous | Or 1.0-dev (including 1.0.2) |
| 12:47.53 | Iridos | just in general⦠re-installing the same binaries doesn't usually change anything. if you have doubts about package integrity (that is not caused by some malicious intent), then use debsums |
| 12:48.16 | cruncher | Pymous, http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.0.0_1.0.1t-1+deb8u6_amd64.deb |
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| 12:49.02 | Pymous | cruncher : installed |
| 12:49.14 | Pymous | Back to the original issue : curl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: undefined symbol: libssh2_scp_recv2 |
| 12:49.19 | Pymous | So I purge it now ? |
| 12:49.23 | cruncher | yes |
| 12:49.29 | cruncher | purge libssl1.0.0 |
| 12:49.41 | cruncher | then all cfgs and files belonging to it will be gone |
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| 12:50.40 | Pymous | Done |
| 12:50.45 | Pymous | https://paste.clapity.eu/?cbc1ca8af921c555#FSKGbSth8tQVbHf6lLaqyCbJCAZp1BNetbfeP9VV5qQ= |
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| 12:51.25 | nodiscc | Hi I have a mysterious problem with a simple samba file sharing setup (Debian server <-> Debian client) and UFW. The server is up and running. I have allowed samba traffic in UFW on both sides (ports=135,137,138,445/udp|135,137,139,445/tcp). The nf_conntrack_netbios_ns module is loaded. |
| 12:51.33 | nodiscc | When I go to my client file manager > Browse Network > Windows Network, it fails with "failed to retrieve share list from server: no such file or directory", and this appears in the client ufw log: |
| 12:51.45 | nodiscc | [53337.586571] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=[...] SRC=192.168.1.254 DST=192.168.1.9 LEN=90 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=49657 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=42557 LEN=70 |
| 12:52.12 | nodiscc | So my home router (1.254) seems to try to connect back to the client on a random high port??? Then it gets blocked by the firewall and listing the windows machines on the network fails. When I turn off the firewall entirely everything works again. Having fw off is not acceptable so I'm looking for whatever I may have missed. Help very appreciated, have been trying to fix this for weeks |
| 12:52.26 | Iridos | and ls -la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 says? |
| 12:52.41 | Pymous | Iridos : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 19 12:19 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 -> libcurl.so.4.4.0 |
| 12:54.14 | Pymous | nodiscc : Static IP ? (in the subnet ?) |
| 12:54.40 | Pymous | .254 seems static to me |
| 12:55.04 | Pymous | If it is, why not doing something along this : ufw allow from 192.168.1.254 to any app Samba |
| 12:55.28 | nodiscc | yes .254 is static (router/ISP box), 1.9 (client) and 1.38 (server) are from dhcp |
| 12:55.55 | Pymous | cruncher : Do I reboot then ? |
| 12:55.59 | Pymous | I'm a bit stuck there :D |
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| 12:56.29 | nodiscc | Pymous: already did this: ufw allow from 192.168.1.0/16 to any app Samba |
| 12:56.43 | Iridos | libcurl.so.4.4.0 is correct for stretch |
| 12:56.51 | Pymous | Iridos : ufw allow Samba ? |
| 12:57.03 | Pymous | Sorry |
| 12:57.06 | Pymous | nodiscc : ufw allow Samba ? |
| 12:57.13 | nodiscc | but the ufw rule is only for DESTINATION PORTS 135,137,138,445 and the connection attempt is SPT=137 DPT=42557 |
| 12:57.42 | nodiscc | DPT seems to be a random high port, it changes on each attempt |
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| 12:57.58 | nodiscc | Pymous: tried that as well |
| 12:58.02 | Pymous | Iridos : Any idea about what I can do ? |
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| 12:58.18 | PymousTemp | In case I need to reboot :D |
| 12:58.50 | Iridos | I'm not running stretch, I'm still on jessie |
| 12:59.12 | Iridos | else I'd compare what ldd libcurl.so.4.4.0 says on stretch |
| 12:59.27 | Pymous | cruncher can probably help with that, I guess |
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| 12:59.32 | Pymous | or FinalX |
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| 13:00.02 | Pymous | But if I recall, it was different for the both of them |
| 13:00.45 | Iridos | it shouldn't if they have the same version of the library |
| 13:01.07 | Iridos | also comparing checksums to really ensure that would be a thing |
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| 13:03.10 | Iridos | debsums libcurl3 checks it against locally installed checksums |
| 13:03.24 | Iridos | but a randomly changed file wouldn't try to link to something else |
| 13:03.47 | Iridos | but trying to link against two versions of the same library is extremely suspicious behavior |
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| 13:04.46 | Pymous | We reverted that |
| 13:04.55 | cruncher | the files are ok, he reinstalled all again, so no inconsistencies |
| 13:05.00 | Iridos | no |
| 13:05.06 | Pymous | What "no" ? o/ |
| 13:05.08 | cruncher | yes, they get overwritten of wrong |
| 13:05.11 | Iridos | ldd shows it's looking for two versions of libssl |
| 13:05.15 | cruncher | s/of(if |
| 13:05.25 | Pymous | Yeah |
| 13:05.28 | Pymous | But we can't find why |
| 13:05.31 | Pymous | That's the issue² |
| 13:05.33 | cruncher | yes, thats the problem. what i mean is checksums are not needed in this case |
| 13:05.43 | cruncher | IF Pymous did it right ;-) |
| 13:05.56 | Pymous | I'm not drunk, so it should be pretty ok |
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| 13:06.04 | Pymous | Wan't a root access to check it cruncher ? :D |
| 13:06.10 | cruncher | yes |
| 13:06.37 | Pymous | Really ? Coz' I'm doing it, you've tried more than 1 hour, I can trust you on this one |
| 13:06.43 | Pymous | (anyway, nothing more to lose ... o/ ) |
| 13:06.51 | cruncher | Pymous, lol..thats no reason for trust ;-) |
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| 13:06.59 | Pymous | No, feeling probably help |
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| 13:07.11 | Iridos | sure checksums are needed⦠if you're comparing to another system there's no point being unsure if you're comparing apples with elephants |
| 13:07.47 | cruncher | Iridos, of course... but if the packages are ok, the files will be too, even if modified previously |
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| 13:08.42 | cruncher | Pymous, if you are unsure if you reinstalled, you can do apt clean, then reinstall them again |
| 13:08.46 | Iridos | it's just the tiny difference between guessing and knowing? |
| 13:08.52 | cruncher | Iridos, it is knowing |
| 13:09.06 | Iridos | because⦠if you knew what exactly was wrong, you could just say? |
| 13:09.06 | Pymous | Iridos : It's knowing, except if you checksum every packet you install ? |
| 13:09.09 | cruncher | but like i say, the commands at least, pymous has the eyes |
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| 13:09.26 | Pymous | Iridos : I did your commands too, still now idea about the issue |
| 13:09.33 | cruncher | no, apt does check the packages checksum already when you download |
| 13:09.56 | Iridos | what does your ldd say |
| 13:09.56 | cruncher | so no need to check them afterwards directly after installation |
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| 13:10.22 | Iridos | what I want is to compare ldd with a fresh stretch AND the checksum of the file |
| 13:10.32 | Iridos | but I don't run stretch, alas, I cannot |
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| 13:12.18 | Iridos | and ldd of the curl binary, too |
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| 13:17.32 | Iridos | hm, try doing strace -f -e open curl https://www.google.fr |
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| 13:41.03 | cruncher | Pymous, http://paste.debian.net/982702/ |
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| 13:42.26 | cruncher | Pymous, and run debsums -c curl libcurl3 libssl1.0.2 |
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| 13:56.42 | hexhaxtron[work] | I'm providing free services to users. So far I got SSH, FTP, Proxy, PHP, Email Accounts, Webmail, and Daily Backups. Any suggestions for more services? |
| 13:56.48 | hexhaxtron[work] | A Jabber Server would be nice too. |
| 13:57.25 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], answering your own questions? ;-) |
| 13:57.35 | hexhaxtron[work] | I guess so. :) |
| 13:57.37 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], what "users"? public? |
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| 13:57.45 | hexhaxtron[work] | Yes, public. |
| 13:58.22 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], webpages? mumble? there are many more, just a question of cpu/ram/bandwidth |
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| 13:59.29 | hexhaxtron[work] | cruncher: I got Apache too. |
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| 14:02.35 | hexhaxtron[work] | cruncher: Quad Core, 64GiB of RAM, 1TiB of SSD and 6TiB of HDD. |
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| 14:02.56 | hexhaxtron[work] | 1 Gigabit/s of upstream and 1 Gigabit/s of downstream. |
| 14:03.02 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], not bad... on how many users were you thinking? |
| 14:04.20 | hexhaxtron[work] | cruncher: about Mumble, I'm already running TeamSpeak 3. |
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| 14:05.09 | jelly | hexhaxtron[work]: perhaps ask your users, not random channels. |
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| 14:06.03 | Pymous | Thanks to FinalX and Iridos for trying to help, and especially thanks to cruncher who fixed the issue and took the time (a lot actually) to help me |
| 14:06.15 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], true... i forgot the scope.... only support here |
| 14:07.22 | cruncher | Pymous, you are welcome |
| 14:07.24 | Iridos | Pymous, uh, what fixed it? |
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| 14:07.38 | Iridos | or⦠better yet⦠what caused it |
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| 14:09.19 | Pymous | Some libssh2.so who didn't have any packages attached roaming in the land of /usr/local/lib, Iridos |
| 14:09.24 | Pymous | What caused it is unknown actually |
| 14:10.12 | Iridos | that was my first suspicion, but none of the ldds you showed linked to /usr/local |
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| 14:10.48 | Pymous | Yeah, but we told you it wasn't related to the ldd, but something holding back the proper removal of the package |
| 14:10.54 | Pymous | Even if it was marked as removed |
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| 14:11.08 | cruncher | the checksums were ok, as expected. |
| 14:11.16 | Iridos | ldd shows where it gets runtime libraries from⦠|
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| 14:11.31 | cruncher | Pymous, well, under /usr/local/lib... did you ever compile some libraries yourself? |
| 14:11.42 | Pymous | cruncher : About openssl ? Not that I remember |
| 14:11.45 | cruncher | or maybe some program put them there |
| 14:11.51 | Iridos | and none of yours (the bits that you showed) listed anything with /usr/local |
| 14:11.57 | Iridos | was it in the ldd of curl itself? |
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| 14:12.16 | Pymous | Iridos : We spend the last 3 hours looking, if it was just following a ldd, it would have been fixed way earlier I guess ^^ |
| 14:12.27 | Pymous | cruncher seems to be qualified and checked all that in the begining |
| 14:12.33 | cruncher | lol |
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| 14:12.47 | a0z | hi, i was just on paste.debian.net, learning how it works etc. there is a dead link on the side which claims to go to http://frm.li/add (its a url shortener) except that the url company has gone now |
| 14:12.56 | cruncher | well, we didnt spend 3h.. but 1h i guess with all writing and all |
| 14:13.09 | FinalX | Pymous: np :) sorry I couldn't help you till the end, had other matters to attend to and was running out of ideas as well :) |
| 14:13.24 | hexhaxtron[work] | cruncher: I'm not sure if you received my messages... I crashed. |
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| 14:13.34 | cruncher | anywway... Pymous, now check about the program that needs 1.0.0 (percona) |
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| 14:13.50 | Pymous | cruncher : The latest version doesn't need it :) |
| 14:13.57 | Pymous | It's installing right now |
| 14:14.03 | cruncher | nice |
| 14:14.09 | Pymous | FinalX : Don't excuse you, real life > all |
| 14:14.20 | cruncher | hexhaxtron[work], no, i didnt, but as i said, its offtopic anyway |
| 14:14.21 | Iridos | Pymous, well⦠it *was* just following the ldd output ⦠but you need the right one for that :-} And I know, I read the whole backlog at the begin |
| 14:14.38 | FinalX | was giving an nginx tutorial / class to coworkers ;) |
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| 14:16.02 | Iridos | anyway, I wonder how you what finally pointed to it |
| 14:16.19 | Pymous | You'd have to ask cruncher for that especially |
| 14:18.25 | cruncher | it was really easy after checking and comparing the shared libs... next step was strace |
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| 14:19.03 | arosusi | hexhaxtron[work], whats the URL of your website if I may ask? |
| 14:19.20 | hexhaxtron[work] | arosusi: https://www.thunix.org |
| 14:20.16 | Haohmaru | hm.. i woke up the computer (it had turned the monitor off into power saving mode), and i see a black screen with a bunch of quasi-random pixels towards the bottom.. some of those pixels flicker in different colors.. the computer is not responding to anything |
| 14:20.32 | Haohmaru | is this a GPU issue or RAM or what? |
| 14:20.45 | cruncher | Haohmaru, xfce? |
| 14:20.49 | Haohmaru | LXDE |
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| 14:21.13 | cruncher | does it stay black? |
| 14:21.17 | cruncher | or can you login? |
| 14:21.30 | arosusi | hexhaxtron[work], Thats a nice setup you have there. :-) |
| 14:21.37 | hexhaxtron[work] | Thanks! :) |
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| 14:22.49 | cruncher | Haohmaru, if you cant login, try killing light-locker |
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| 14:23.54 | Haohmaru | cruncher i tried ctrl+alt+F1 but nothing happens, also, numlock doesn't respond.. |
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| 14:24.15 | Haohmaru | i could try to connect to it via ssh but i doubt it'll respond |
| 14:24.21 | cruncher | Haohmaru, oh... did you try/have ssh? |
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| 14:24.42 | Haohmaru | i don't remember the IP x_x |
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| 14:25.44 | cruncher | Haohmaru, check your router if dhcp, check arp cache from another machine or do a nmap scan |
| 14:26.04 | Haohmaru | i'm on windows here |
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| 14:26.21 | Haohmaru | the guy who deals with the router is not here.. duuuh |
| 14:26.43 | cruncher | windows can do the same basically, you just have to install nmap or check arp cache |
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| 14:28.03 | cruncher | Haohmaru, but if its a business, better dont go around port scanning... |
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| 14:28.51 | cruncher | Haohmaru, in worst case, you can still sysrq if there wasnt anything important open/unsaved |
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| 14:35.48 | vlt | a0z: Thank you! https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl/issues/11 |
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| 14:36.33 | dontknow | my debian's sound is suddenly broken. audio became very low quality and i can't hear some channels. but if i put half of headphone's jack in the sound port, i can hear all channels. please help! |
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| 14:40.09 | thms | !jessie->strech |
| 14:40.09 | Haohmaru | aha! i logged in via ssh |
| 14:40.15 | thms | !bot |
| 14:40.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:40.22 | thms | !dist-upgrade |
| 14:40.23 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 14:40.28 | thms | !stretch |
| 14:40.28 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 14:40.37 | thms | !jessie->stretch |
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| 14:40.53 | thms | damn it |
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| 14:42.18 | Iridos | it's "stretch", not strech |
| 14:42.42 | Haohmaru | cruncher i tried pkill light-locker and also lxlock, but nothing seems to change |
| 14:42.44 | Iridos | and you can just do /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
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| 14:42.49 | jelly | thms: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 14:42.55 | hellyeah | i know i asked before but |
| 14:43.01 | hellyeah | how can i make javac global? |
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| 14:43.09 | jelly | global? |
| 14:43.37 | jelly | what does that mean |
| 14:43.47 | cruncher | Haohmaru, so ssh worked? check logs for clues |
| 14:44.04 | hellyeah | ./user/local/jdk1_8_0/bin/javac i use for executing javac |
| 14:44.29 | Haohmaru | cruncher i don't know what to look for |
| 14:45.21 | jelly | hellyeah: maybe you want to add /user/local/jdk1_8_0/bin to your PATH? |
| 14:45.26 | jelly | !PATH |
| 14:45.26 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
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| 14:47.40 | cruncher | Haohmaru, its a laptop or a pc/server? |
| 14:47.46 | Haohmaru | a PC |
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| 14:48.32 | Haohmaru | i've disabled the screensaver, but it's configured to turn off the monitor after 10 minutes or so |
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| 14:48.49 | Haohmaru | i had a program running, which uses opengl |
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| 14:49.02 | Haohmaru | and this thing uses an nvidia gpu i think |
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| 14:50.39 | cruncher | Haohmaru, does the monitor get a signal? |
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| 14:51.16 | Haohmaru | yes.. after i moved the mouse to wake it up, it turned on, and shows a black screen with a bunch of nasty pixels at the bottom |
| 14:51.25 | Haohmaru | some of them flicker in random colors |
| 14:52.15 | cruncher | Haohmaru, what does the command xrandr say? |
| 14:52.27 | cruncher | does it list all your monitors, resp the connected one? |
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| 14:52.36 | Haohmaru | "can't open display" |
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| 14:53.50 | Haohmaru | i tried xrandr --listmonitors and it still says the same thing.. this is via ssh |
| 14:55.44 | cruncher | Haohmaru, yeah, forgot you are though ssh |
| 14:56.58 | Haohmaru | ooh, the keyboard seems to have responded to numlock |
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| 14:57.21 | cruncher | Haohmaru, try tty1 now |
| 14:57.30 | Haohmaru | still nope |
| 14:58.27 | Haohmaru | "top" shows that the opengl app i mentioned uses a steady 29% CPU |
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| 15:03.26 | cruncher | Haohmaru, ssh with the parameter -x, then you can launch the display settings program, and see if changing resolution will recover your session |
| 15:03.39 | cruncher | i just dont know the command for lxde... |
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| 15:03.58 | Haohmaru | cruncher -x? |
| 15:04.02 | cruncher | but im sure someone here uses lxde and can tell you |
| 15:04.07 | Haohmaru | i'm using putty.exe |
| 15:04.11 | cruncher | Haohmaru, yes, ssh -x user@hostname |
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| 15:04.53 | cruncher | Haohmaru, ok, then see putty settings for something like X forwarding |
| 15:04.55 | Haohmaru | wait, do you mean to run "ssh -x ..." while i'm connected to it via ssh (putty) ? |
| 15:05.19 | cruncher | no, see 1 msg earlier |
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| 15:06.06 | ksk | putty and x forwarding? you will still need an x-server on your windows box then |
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| 15:06.51 | Haohmaru | cad@cad:~$ lxrandr --listmonitors = "PuTTY X11 proxy: unable to connect to forwarded X server: Network error: Connection refused" |
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| 15:07.58 | Haohmaru | oh wait |
| 15:08.03 | Haohmaru | not lxrandr |
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| 15:08.37 | Haohmaru | well, pretty much the same result with xrandr |
| 15:08.52 | Haohmaru | smells like it's time for reboot |
| 15:09.03 | cruncher | Haohmaru, you dont have a debian box there you can use? |
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| 15:09.32 | Haohmaru | i have a debian on this here too, but i'm currently under windowz |
| 15:09.45 | cruncher | so better reboot that one |
| 15:10.02 | Haohmaru | well.. i'll reboot to debian.. brb |
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| 15:12.29 | asarch | How could I know if my file system is journaled with log reply? |
| 15:13.40 | gpunk | asarch: do a mount and see what fs is your fs |
| 15:14.21 | Haohmaru | cruncher, i still get "can't open display" |
| 15:14.29 | Haohmaru | when doing xrandr --listmonitors |
| 15:14.40 | cruncher | Haohmaru, use: ssh -x username@hostname |
| 15:14.50 | Haohmaru | yes, that's what i used |
| 15:15.01 | jhutchins_wk | -X |
| 15:15.03 | Haohmaru | from lxterminal |
| 15:15.06 | Haohmaru | oh? |
| 15:15.13 | gpunk | is X forwarding enbled on the remote server ? |
| 15:15.19 | cruncher | Haohmaru, what says echo $DISPLAY? |
| 15:15.20 | gpunk | (sshd) |
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| 15:15.32 | Haohmaru | okay: 0: +*VGA-1 1280/376x1024/301+0+0 VGA-1 |
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| 15:15.53 | Haohmaru | cruncher, localhost:10.0 |
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| 15:18.41 | cruncher | Haohmaru, nto sure about lxde, but try now lxde-settings |
| 15:18.52 | Henry151 | hi #debian |
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| 15:19.00 | Henry151 | I'm having some trouble with my external wifi adapters |
| 15:19.01 | Henry151 | I have two |
| 15:19.03 | cruncher | or to test, a simple mousepad/leafpad or whatever lxde uses |
| 15:19.06 | Henry151 | they both were working last week |
| 15:19.09 | Henry151 | but now I get errors |
| 15:19.11 | Henry151 | let me pastebin |
| 15:19.43 | Haohmaru | cruncher, which settings do you mean? |
| 15:19.47 | cruncher | display |
| 15:19.55 | Haohmaru | that would be lxrandr then |
| 15:20.03 | Haohmaru | but it's a graphical program |
| 15:20.12 | Haohmaru | i mean GUI program |
| 15:20.15 | cruncher | i would try to change resolution, because that would regenerate the screen, so hopefully you can recover your session |
| 15:20.36 | Haohmaru | well, i can change resolution with xrandr normally too |
| 15:20.36 | Henry151 | ok folks |
| 15:20.37 | Henry151 | http://termbin.com/eu8k |
| 15:20.51 | Henry151 | these are the errors I get when connecting my wifi adapter, it's an atheros |
| 15:20.51 | Haohmaru | not sure if it'll work via this ssh hack |
| 15:20.52 | Iridos | Haohmaru, what do you actually want to achieve? |
| 15:21.11 | Haohmaru | Iridos, unfreeze the computer and hopefully save my unsaved project |
| 15:21.17 | Henry151 | it's failing to load the firmware, with error "-2" |
| 15:21.29 | Henry151 | anybody know why this would be happening? |
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| 15:21.42 | Henry151 | I thought it was working a couple weeks ago, but maybe that was on a different distro |
| 15:21.46 | cruncher | Haohmaru, its no hack, its X forwarding. you should be able to start now GUI programs from over the network and view on your 2nd machine |
| 15:21.52 | Iridos | if that's that GL application I don't think that will work⦠as it's probably the application that froze the computer? |
| 15:22.26 | jhutchins_wk | Henry151: Chances are you don't have the firmware installed. |
| 15:23.49 | Henry151 | something like apt install firmware-atheros? |
| 15:23.51 | Haohmaru | cruncher, o_O so i ran lxrandr, and it opened here.. however, it switched the resolution of *this* monitor |
| 15:24.02 | Iridos | yes, of course⦠|
| 15:24.09 | Iridos | it follows the DISPLAY variable |
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| 15:24.42 | Henry151 | jhutchins_wk: and once I install the firmware package, can I avoid a system restart by doing a modprobe command or something? |
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| 15:24.47 | Iridos | and that points back to where you come from with x11 forwarding |
| 15:25.07 | cruncher | it was not of course, since i was hoping it would do just a hardware switch... but now we know :) |
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| 15:25.32 | cruncher | Iridos, do you know a way to change it only on the vga adapter? |
| 15:25.41 | cruncher | without considering the display var? |
| 15:26.14 | Iridos | you can just set DISPLAY to :0 |
| 15:26.26 | Iridos | but then you're still not allowed to access :0 |
| 15:27.18 | cruncher | of course, but it didnt work earlier |
| 15:27.28 | Haohmaru | the resolution should be 1650x1080 or something like that |
| 15:27.41 | Haohmaru | it's a wide-screen monitor, but not exactly full HD |
| 15:27.58 | cruncher | Haohmaru, to see if it would react, the resolution wouldnt matter |
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| 15:28.56 | Iridos | if you can switch back and forth to the text console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-ROOT |
| 15:28.59 | Iridos | 99%aAAe!! |
| 15:29.03 | Iridos | ROOT |
| 15:29.04 | Haohmaru | ah no, it's 1680x1050 o_O |
| 15:29.04 | cruncher | Haohmaru, but try again now that you are on debian... prepend DISPLAY=:0.0 to the command |
| 15:29.05 | Iridos | 3iTLNh! |
| 15:29.10 | Iridos | CHVT8 |
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| 15:29.14 | Iridos | CHVT7 |
| 15:29.15 | cruncher | Iridos, ? :D what are you writing? |
| 15:29.35 | cruncher | accidentally switched on otr? |
| 15:29.38 | Iridos | CD ~K |
| 15:29.43 | Iridos | CD .CON |
| 15:29.43 | Iridos | L |
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| 15:29.49 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 15:29.51 | Iridos | LESS /VALOGx0 |
| 15:29.59 | Iridos | -INQ |
| 15:30.03 | Haohmaru | did he pwned himself?! |
| 15:30.11 | Iridos | APT-CASEARCH SVGATEXTMOD |
| 15:30.12 | cruncher | well.. just try DISPLAY=:0.0 lxrandr (or whatever the command) |
| 15:30.19 | Iridos | CHVT 7 |
| 15:30.25 | Haohmaru | ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't respond |
| 15:30.55 | Haohmaru | cruncher, should that be "set DISPLAY=:0.0" ? |
| 15:31.18 | cruncher | no, just write it before the command, or if you prefer export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 15:31.58 | Haohmaru | well.. it's "thinking" .. |
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| 15:32.28 | babilen | Iridos: You okay? |
| 15:33.15 | cruncher | i think he has trouble with vga and is typing blind, since it looks like he entered apt-cache search vgatextmode :D |
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| 15:35.06 | BluesKaj | some pcs don't have F1 VT/TTY available, try ctrl+alt+F2 |
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| 15:35.43 | Haohmaru | BluesKaj, i tried all of em.. this is a normal PC |
| 15:36.02 | Haohmaru | it just doesn't respond to the keyboard |
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| 15:36.50 | Haohmaru | i pressed numlock a bunch of times and the numlock LED went off after several minutes |
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| 15:39.38 | jhutchins_wk | Haohmaru: You don't have another system you can use to connect via ssh? |
| 15:39.54 | Haohmaru | jhutchins_wk, i am connected via ssh at the moment from another debian |
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| 15:40.06 | Haohmaru | with "ssh -X .." |
| 15:40.15 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. What's the system doing? High CPU usage? |
| 15:40.29 | Haohmaru | well, not exactly |
| 15:40.34 | Haohmaru | most things are calm |
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| 15:40.54 | Haohmaru | just this one program (which uses opengl) is sitting at 29% cpu solid |
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| 15:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | Haohmaru: The delayed response to numlock suggests some sort of extreme load. |
| 15:41.22 | Haohmaru | i don't know |
| 15:41.49 | cruncher | 29% is even unusal... if its a qudcore, it should be on 25% on full cpu usage |
| 15:41.56 | Haohmaru | yeah, i know |
| 15:42.01 | Haohmaru | it's a dual core |
| 15:42.12 | Haohmaru | ..i think |
| 15:42.17 | Haohmaru | it's definately not quad core |
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| 15:44.31 | Haohmaru | i gotta go, will leave it like that and check it tomorrow |
| 15:44.44 | cruncher | Haohmaru, the problem is lxrandr opens the window there, |
| 15:44.50 | Haohmaru | but it smells like imma kill the app and probably reboot it.. cuz i need to work |
| 15:45.10 | Haohmaru | i can attach a second monitor btw (the video card has two slots) |
| 15:45.15 | Haohmaru | okay, gotta split |
| 15:45.33 | mitmf | why debian donât have volume speaker? |
| 15:45.41 | cruncher | if you have a few more minutes, try "DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode "1024x768" (replace VGA-1 with your monitor description) |
| 15:45.49 | cruncher | that must work, or it really hung |
| 15:46.02 | cruncher | oh he is alrady gone |
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| 15:47.45 | eze | I am using play 2.3.7 (I can't change the version). I am sending a request to an external api that returns the content of a pdf file. I am trying to give as a response the download window to download the pdf file |
| 15:47.57 | eze | bnut I had no luck so far, any pointers? |
| 15:48.23 | mitmf | why debian donât have volume speaker? how can i install volume speaker? |
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| 15:48.49 | eze | sorry, wrong channel :P |
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| 15:53.08 | mitmf | why debian donât have volume speaker? how can i install volume speaker? |
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| 16:05.54 | mr__tea | debian is the besgt! |
| 16:05.57 | mr__tea | and I cant type |
| 16:05.58 | ksk | mitmf: that depends on your desktop. try "alsamixer" |
| 16:06.24 | mitmf | ksk: what you mean? slasmixer? |
| 16:06.32 | mandeep | which package contains swapoff? |
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| 16:07.52 | mandeep | i thought it was mount but the swapoff command doesnt seem to register |
| 16:08.24 | BluesKaj | mitmf, which DE do you use ? |
| 16:09.28 | mitmf | DE? |
| 16:10.00 | ski | Desktop Environment |
| 16:10.09 | BluesKaj | mandeep, make sure you have your swap partition ented in /etc/fstab |
| 16:10.14 | mitmf | hfce |
| 16:10.38 | mandeep | BluesKaj: it's there. i was able to find swapoff in /sbin |
| 16:10.51 | BluesKaj | hfce? |
| 16:10.59 | mitmf | BluesKaj: yes |
| 16:11.01 | mitmf | hfce |
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| 16:12.09 | BluesKaj | xfce maybe |
| 16:12.19 | mitmf | BluesKaj: yes correct |
| 16:12.21 | mitmf | xfce |
| 16:12.43 | mitmf | then how can i install alsamixer? |
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| 16:13.25 | a0z | mitmf: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 16:13.33 | mitmf | thanks :) |
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| 16:14.39 | mitmf | alsa-utils is already the newest version (1.1.3-1). a0z |
| 16:14.44 | cruncher | mitmf, i think what you want is to add the audio applet to the panel since you use xfce |
| 16:15.03 | mitmf | yes audio applet |
| 16:15.08 | mitmf | how can i add it? |
| 16:15.17 | cruncher | and since you probably use pulseaudio, and its already installed, just right click on the panel and select add, then select the pulseaudio plugin |
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| 16:18.01 | BluesKaj | yeah, not familair with xfce audio options/icons/.applets etc |
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| 16:20.58 | mitmf | cruncher: i add it, but i canât do volume up |
| 16:21.01 | mitmf | strange |
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| 16:21.28 | cruncher | mitmf its muted? |
| 16:21.31 | BluesKaj | alsamixer basic settingsis are usually the best to check first |
| 16:21.38 | mitmf | yes muted |
| 16:22.00 | BluesKaj | ue the M key to unmute/mute |
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| 16:22.27 | BluesKaj | in alsamixer |
| 16:22.52 | mitmf | where is alsamixer? |
| 16:23.20 | BluesKaj | in the console, type alsmixer |
| 16:23.41 | BluesKaj | alsamixer |
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| 16:24.40 | mitmf | BluesKaj: but there is many thing like Msaster PCM LINE CD MIC Video..... |
| 16:26.22 | BluesKaj | make sure master and pcm are turned up and unmuted (no MM in the boc), also disable auto-mute on the far right |
| 16:26.37 | BluesKaj | boc=box |
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| 16:28.10 | BluesKaj | use the down arrow kety to disable auto-mute |
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| 16:28.57 | mitmf | i canât find disable auto-mute |
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| 16:30.18 | BluesKaj | use the left/right arrow keys to navigate in alsamixer |
| 16:30.29 | mitmf | yes |
| 16:30.36 | mitmf | i m doing now |
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| 16:31.56 | BluesKaj | F5 to show all ctls |
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| 16:34.18 | mitmf | BluesKaj: i clicked F5 but there is no disable auto-mute |
| 16:34.54 | BluesKaj | it's just called auto-mute |
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| 16:35.26 | mitmf | Master and PCM is not 0 but others are 0 |
| 16:35.30 | mitmf | then how can i do? |
| 16:37.07 | BluesKaj | navigate to the controls you want to increase then use the up arrow key to bring up the volume |
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| 16:38.13 | mitmf | lol |
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| 16:38.22 | mitmf | it donât work too |
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| 16:40.12 | BluesKaj | what doesn't work? |
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| 16:50.47 | BluesKaj | think there was a language barrier in the mix there |
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| 16:54.19 | mitmf | i will use ubuntu only |
| 16:54.25 | mitmf | instead of debian |
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| 16:54.57 | LtL | mitmf: type 'groups' are you in the audio group? |
| 16:55.20 | mitmf | wait |
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| 16:56.28 | mitmf | LtL: groups â> root |
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| 16:57.05 | LtL | mitmf: you should not be root, type exit then try groups again |
| 16:57.06 | BluesKaj | the desktop determines a lot about your audio options , mitmf , ubuntu xfce won't be much different |
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| 16:58.18 | mitmf | groups |
| 16:58.19 | mitmf | moretz cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner |
| 16:58.33 | Pymous | Nop |
| 16:58.41 | LtL | mitmf: try alsamixer as regular user |
| 16:58.44 | Pymous | Sorry, wrong chan o/ |
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| 17:00.11 | mitmf | LtL: BluesKaj it works wll now i canât use alsamixer as root? |
| 17:00.33 | LtL | mitmf: why would you want to? |
| 17:00.42 | BluesKaj | I don't use it as root, just user |
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| 17:00.58 | mitmf | but i log in as root |
| 17:01.03 | mitmf | :) |
| 17:01.10 | LtL | mitmf: well don't |
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| 17:01.16 | mitmf | ok |
| 17:01.18 | mitmf | thanks :) |
| 17:01.28 | LtL | mitmf: welcome |
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| 17:02.00 | mitmf | then i will use debian |
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| 17:02.01 | mitmf | :) |
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| 17:02.48 | cruncher | lucky us |
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| 17:04.09 | BluesKaj | mitmf, install xfce4-mixer |
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| 17:04.44 | mitmf | BluesKaj: what is it? |
| 17:05.43 | BluesKaj | you can add it to the the panel |
| 17:06.10 | mitmf | but i add speaker app to panel now |
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| 17:06.35 | mitmf | and it works well then i must install xfce4-mixer |
| 17:06.36 | BluesKaj | ok whatever |
| 17:06.55 | mitmf | ok thanks :) |
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| 17:08.45 | mitmf | folder color is blue, so i can change folder color into white? |
| 17:09.16 | mitmf | blue on black background is not good to see |
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| 17:11.39 | LtL | mitmf: do you have a menu bar at the top of your terminal? change settings in profile |
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| 17:11.53 | LtL | mitmf: under 'edit' |
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| 17:14.05 | mitmf | LtL: there is a Text color cursor Background Tab activity, but there is no folder color |
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| 17:16.16 | LtL | mitmf: no there isn't but in profile preferences try unchecking system theme colors and use linux console as your theme. it wount change the color but it may make it a different easier to read shade |
| 17:17.14 | LtL | mitmf: edit/profile preferences / colors |
| 17:17.51 | LtL | mitmf: or something similar, i'm not on xfce at the moment |
| 17:17.53 | mitmf | preferences instead of profile? |
| 17:18.05 | LtL | mitmf: yes, then colors |
| 17:18.41 | mitmf | but there is only Text Cursor Background Tab activity, there is no folder color |
| 17:18.44 | mitmf | LtL: |
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| 17:19.22 | LtL | mit there is no 'folder color' option, play with themes until you are happy |
| 17:19.50 | mitmf | i will unhappy till death |
| 17:19.52 | mitmf | :( |
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| 17:20.23 | LtL | mitmf: like, white on black and linux console. some of this is due to your monitor |
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| 17:21.05 | mitmf | when i was as root, but folder color is white instead of blue |
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| 17:22.17 | LtL | mitmf: yes thats root's profile. if you dont like colors disable them in /home/$USER/.bashrc or atleast i do |
| 17:22.19 | mr__tea | mitmf: ha the horror |
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| 17:23.26 | LtL | mr__tea: be very careful editing the .bashrc file, make a backup |
| 17:23.39 | LtL | mr__tea: apologies mis-tab |
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| 17:24.27 | mitmf | LtL: then i will use it not changing it |
| 17:24.27 | mr__tea | LtL: be carefull when using tab :) |
| 17:24.28 | BluesKaj | xfce wasn't very configurable colour-wise on raspbian/rpi3 |
| 17:24.35 | LtL | mitmf: your desktop theme can alter colors also |
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| 17:25.24 | mitmf | LtL: i will use blue folder color nevertheless i donât like it |
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| 17:25.46 | LtL | mitmf: in time you will find a way |
| 17:25.49 | mitmf | but i donât know who made debian :( why donât make it well like ubuntu |
| 17:28.37 | mitmf | if i use debian, then i must change many thing |
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| 17:29.38 | mitmf | LtL: thanks for help |
| 17:29.40 | mitmf | bye |
| 17:29.41 | mitmf | :) |
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| 17:50.17 | hellyeah | !path |
| 17:50.17 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | It can be defined in lots of other places too. |
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| 17:52.55 | greycat | And that TLDP page, as expected, is full of partial truths. E.g. some of the variables listed under "Environment Variables" are actually shell variables, rarely exported. |
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| 17:58.52 | uxfi | How long will 8 be supproted im runnign a custom isntal on it of a distro based upon it |
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| 17:59.16 | greycat | full support for one year after stretch's release, then LTS support for a few years |
| 17:59.26 | uxfi | alright |
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| 17:59.38 | greycat | But your "based on Debian" distribution is not covered here, nor by Debian's security updates. |
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| 17:59.59 | uxfi | alright |
| 18:00.30 | uxfi | greycat; I plan to isntalll a fresh cop y of Strench on a new machine I get later anyways. Albeit I do have it in a VM |
| 18:00.35 | uxfi | copy* |
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| 18:05.04 | jelly | uxfi: in general, the goal of LTS project is to keep each release alive for five years. Debian 8 came out in 2015, so you got until 2020 to plan and executre migration to something newer |
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| 18:06.14 | jelly | or at least, that would be the case if you were running Debian 8. If it's a derivative you need to ask the authors about their own policies. |
| 18:07.34 | uxfi | ah |
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| 18:13.50 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 18:15.01 | Posterdati | please help, I'm trying to make a wifi direct mouse to work on my laptop. The laptop has got a p2p and p2p-go wifi: I can see the mouse connecting and suddenly disconnecting due to a missing ozwpan module |
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| 18:20.38 | OneSploit | Hi |
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| 18:20.47 | OneSploit | E: Package 'qtdeclarative-abi-5-7-0' has no installation candidate |
| 18:20.47 | OneSploit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.52 | OneSploit | is there something wrong with qt ? |
| 18:21.17 | OneSploit | something off with g++ 7 ? |
| 18:21.45 | OneSploit | quite fresh install and so many broken dependencies since 2-3 days |
| 18:21.53 | greycat | I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are not running stable. |
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| 18:22.08 | OneSploit | of course stable is ancient |
| 18:22.08 | greycat | Problems in testing/unstable are better addressed in #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 18:22.28 | OneSploit | I wouldn't use Debian, if I had only stable as an option |
| 18:23.02 | OneSploit | I joined #debian-next but I was forwarded here |
| 18:23.25 | OneSploit | forgot it was other IRCnet as well |
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| 18:30.03 | jim | OneSploit, ancient is one thing... but is there stuff that actually doesn't work? |
| 18:30.30 | greycat | ~sns |
| 18:30.33 | greycat | !sns |
| 18:30.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 18:30.46 | OneSploit | jim: yes, treeviewx for instance, and many other packages |
| 18:31.26 | jim | OneSploit, what's the problem with treeviewx? |
| 18:31.39 | OneSploit | how is this syngrom called, when people think, that assembler is still good when others moved to more advanced languages? |
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| 18:32.08 | OneSploit | why we don't dont everything in lisp or fortran, Java shiny new syndrome? |
| 18:32.21 | jim | what can you do... some people like to program in asm |
| 18:32.25 | teraflops | OneSploit: focus |
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| 18:32.38 | OneSploit | jim: it's simply crashin on stable |
| 18:33.12 | greycat | installing treeviewx would use 22.5 MB additional disk space, so I think I'll pass. |
| 18:33.25 | jim | crashing? hmm. does it dump core? (do you have a file "core" in the dir you were in when you ran it) |
| 18:33.43 | greycat | You probably have to do "ulimit -c unlimited" first. |
| 18:34.10 | OneSploit | jim: why would I save it? I upgraded to sid long time ago, after that it worked, besides I needed sid as it's convinient to use libraries that are not 5-6 years old7 |
| 18:34.50 | jelly | righto, as you're not running stable right now and don't plan going back to it, no need to discuss things here |
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| 18:35.15 | OneSploit | so why you talked me into doing it ? :) |
| 18:35.30 | OneSploit | out of scope, I am done here :) |
| 18:35.42 | jim | OneSploit, one thing, in that kind of situation, you can file a bug report |
| 18:35.42 | greycat | I see zero bugs reported at bugs.debian.org/treeviewx |
| 18:36.24 | OneSploit | jim: it's not an issue one program, but the avalanche of things not working, of things not compiling because of ancient libraries that no one uses anymore |
| 18:36.35 | OneSploit | stable is great |
| 18:36.40 | OneSploit | but for server |
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| 18:36.52 | OneSploit | merly useful for desktop |
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| 18:37.25 | greycat | He *has* to be one of these web developer kiddies. Nobody else has this notion that stable's "libraries" are so old that "no one uses them any more". |
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| 18:37.44 | OneSploit | jelly: sorry, I was just replying to folks that started arguing, I am out of here, don't want to continue as it makes no sense |
| 18:37.47 | jim | OneSploit, hmm... I wonder if you had altered stuff at the level that things that otherwise needed stuff started crashing |
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| 18:38.25 | jim | but, that's water under the bridge now, you don't have that dist any more |
| 18:38.29 | jelly | jim: drop it, please |
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| 18:39.08 | OneSploit | greycat: I needed certain scientific libraries up to date, simple as this, no need to insult people you dont know, when they don't agree with you |
| 18:39.21 | jim | yeah, ok |
| 18:40.19 | OneSploit | greycat: treeviewx is hardly web-developer kiddy tool, but never mind, bye |
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| 18:40.55 | greycat | It was the only package you actually named, and there are no bug reports filed on it, which tells me you have not reported the bug you encountered. |
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| 18:41.51 | jhutchins_wk | How old is the computer mouse? We're still using them. |
| 18:42.03 | jim | OneSploit, as may have been noted before, this here is for the stable dist, it doesn't make sense for you to comment here... you want oftc.net on the channel #debian-next |
| 18:42.09 | jhutchins_wk | Keyboards too, I think they go back a ways. |
| 18:42.11 | cluelessperson | hey guys, what does dpkg --configure -a do? |
| 18:42.36 | greycat | Attempts to configure all packages that are in need of configurin'. |
| 18:42.46 | jelly | jim: they were, in fact, the one to note it |
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| 18:43.01 | jim | cluelessperson, takes all the packages that have been unpacked but not confugured, and configures them |
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| 18:43.18 | greycat | Runs postinst scripts and so on. |
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| 18:44.16 | jelly | cluelessperson: a common step after an apt installation or upgrade failure that leaves some but not all packages in unusual states |
| 18:44.24 | jim | cluelessperson, I think it's the same as dpkg --configure --pending |
| 18:44.51 | jelly | s/that//; |
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| 18:45.40 | jelly | cluelessperson: it makes dpkg happier. Usually followed by "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" which tries to make apt happier. |
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| 18:46.39 | aloo_shu | is getting happier, too :) |
| 18:46.58 | cluelessperson | jelly: you're saying that dpkg --configure leaves packages in unusual states, or it's used to fix packages after an install/upgrade failure? |
| 18:47.33 | jim | I think it's used to try to fix the weird states |
| 18:48.24 | jim | -and- is used in the process of fixing a failed upgrade |
| 18:48.26 | jelly | it tells dpkg to finish installations that are half-done, if possible |
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| 18:48.37 | jelly | cluelessperson: so the latter |
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| 18:53.38 | jhutchins_wk | cluelessperson: Usually a case where a package install session has been interrupted. |
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| 18:54.10 | jelly | cluelessperson: dpkg does package installations and upgrades in certain well defined steps, for safety reasons. The last step is a "configure" one. So you tell dpkg to configure any pending packages that still need that step to be done |
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| 18:54.21 | greycat | or failed because of lack of disk space, or some minor bug that you've just now worked around, etc. |
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| 18:54.51 | jelly | gory details: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-flowcharts.html https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 18:56.01 | jelly | it's really quite simple and logical, see Figure H.3. |
| 18:56.03 | jelly | hides |
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| 19:02.33 | vrd1 | i know debian can be very well used either as server or plain user desktop |
| 19:03.30 | vrd1 | but,if i want a windows virtual machine, is kvm/virt-manager also designed for desktop usage, or is it more for servers? |
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| 19:05.33 | jelly | don't think virt-manager UI is created with servers in mind |
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| 19:05.58 | jelly | kvm is a backend, runs on servers and workstations alike |
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| 19:07.01 | vrd1 | jelly: have you heard about this "macvtap" recent driver? |
| 19:07.37 | jelly | I've heard now! |
| 19:07.45 | vrd1 | just now |
| 19:07.47 | vrd1 | grat |
| 19:07.49 | vrd1 | great |
| 19:08.26 | jelly | I don't have a lot of experience with kvm-based virtualization, sorry |
| 19:08.26 | vrd1 | by chance, anyone here has experience recently installing a win10 kvm with virt manager? |
| 19:08.31 | vrd1 | by chance, anyone here has experience recently installing a win10 kvm with virt manager? |
| 19:08.37 | jelly | !ask |
| 19:08.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:08.42 | vrd1 | greycat: hi |
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| 19:09.10 | greycat | I can't imagine why you thought of *me* when you thought of Windows 10 and virtual machines. |
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| 19:09.45 | greycat | There may be people here who know less about Windows 10 and about virtual machines than I do, but you'll have to work to find them. |
| 19:10.02 | vrd1 | greycat: because i have been told (and also seen some other few times) you are one of the elite helpers here |
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| 19:10.33 | vrd1 | greycat: believe me i have been trying to find them for 3 days |
| 19:10.41 | jelly | people have different areas of expertise |
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| 19:10.48 | vrd1 | it becomes extremly frustrating, you know? |
| 19:11.54 | jelly | vrd1: try to write down a cohesive description of your issue(s), instead of first looking for experts, then explaining |
| 19:12.05 | vrd1 | ok, ill try |
| 19:12.31 | jelly | irc is rather asynchronous, if you expect immediate answers you may be disappointed |
| 19:12.55 | vrd1 | first, i don't know which virtual networking to use, either normal bridging process or using macvtap |
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| 19:13.39 | vrd1 | second, also clueless about paravirtualized drivers, whether to use fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools |
| 19:13.49 | Leproide | Hi all :D |
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| 19:15.18 | vrd1 | brb |
| 19:15.41 | Leproide | Anyone know the correct list for testing repo? In the italian wiki the sourcelist is incorrect :( |
| 19:15.45 | gabrielc | vrd1: i use openvswitch for virtual networks, virtio for performance improvement |
| 19:15.56 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 19:16.08 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 19:16.08 | dpkg | Sorry jelly, you're not online. |
| 19:16.28 | Leproide | !testing source.list |
| 19:16.34 | greycat | sources |
| 19:16.35 | Leproide | !testing sources.list |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | Using "testing" instead of the current codename (e.g. jessie) in your sources.list isn't as bad as using stable in your sources.list; you will just seamlessly continue to track the "testing" distribution following a release. Note that for a few months just after a release, testing can be a pretty bumpy ride... perhaps running stable would be a better idea? See also <stable sources.list>, <jessie sources.list>. |
| 19:16.36 | jelly | not available with bots nearby |
| 19:17.21 | jelly | dpkg, testing sources.list =~ s/jessie/stretch/ |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 19:17.27 | greycat | dpkg, testing sources.list =~ s/jessie/stretch/g |
| 19:17.27 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:17.37 | jelly | ha |
| 19:17.41 | greycat | I think there were just two anyway... |
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| 19:24.35 | gumbee | if im on Debian 8.9, what are the good and bad tradeoffs to upgrading to 9.1? |
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| 19:28.32 | jelly | greycat: now that I've actually read that factoid, I think it was two releases behind and it probably wants to reference buster now |
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| 19:29.56 | greycat | Could be... |
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| 19:46.23 | phinxy | Is it possible to download a package archive and move it to a external thumb drive for another machine without network to install? |
| 19:47.13 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall --download-only foo bar baz |
| 19:47.38 | greycat | they are placed in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:48.25 | phinxy | Can you do this from Ubuntu.. ie. download archive for debian stretch on ubuntu 14 LTS |
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| 19:48.40 | greycat | Not like that, no. |
| 19:48.50 | greycat | Just pull them from the web manually, from packages.debian.org |
| 19:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | phinxy: Not automatically. |
| 19:49.02 | phinxy | The source code? and then manually all dependencies? |
| 19:49.03 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-offline |
| 19:49.03 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 19:49.41 | jhutchins_wk | phinxy: You can download the binaries, you just have to work through the dependencies one at a time. |
| 19:49.42 | greycat | Or install Debian in a chroot/whatever inside Ubuntu, then do the apt stuff from in there. |
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| 19:51.02 | SuperSeriouCat | Installed Debian 9.1. Whats the quickest way to enable 256 colors in terminal? |
| 19:52.17 | n4dir | iirc i simply downloaded packages from packages.debian.net. |
| 19:52.27 | ski | (probably depends on the terminal in question) |
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| 19:52.57 | SuperSeriouCat | What is the default one? No DE installed |
| 19:53.02 | rotaticus | like getty? |
| 19:53.27 | greycat | There isn't a default X terminal emulator. The closest thing to a default would be xterm. |
| 19:53.51 | greycat | You really need to know which one you are using. |
| 19:54.15 | greycat | From a bash shell, "ps -fp $PPID" might give you a hint. Unless GNOME is involved. GNOME is alien. |
| 19:54.47 | ski | (note that some terminals lie in `TERM' about which terminal they are) |
| 19:55.13 | SuperSeriouCat | It is a ? under TTY |
| 19:55.15 | greycat | Some of them share TERM with another terminal because they didn't want to develop their own incompatible command set. |
| 19:55.45 | greycat | SuperSeriouCat: the CMD, not the TTY. |
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| 19:56.44 | SuperSeriouCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.58 | greycat | So you're not in X at all. You're on the Linux console. |
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| 19:57.02 | JoeRock | hello |
| 19:57.08 | ski | (they shouldn't share `TERM', unless they support all the same capabilities. since applications will reasonably assume that the contents of `TERM' is accurate) |
| 19:57.20 | SuperSeriouCat | So intalling xterm it is then? |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | SuperSeriouCat: If you are *NOT RUNNING X* then no, do not install xterm. Just tell us you are on the Linux console, not in X. |
| 19:58.00 | greycat | You only said you weren't using a DE. I also do not use a DE, but I do use X. |
| 19:58.23 | SuperSeriouCat | What is X? |
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| 19:58.27 | greycat | So your question is how to get 256 colors on the Linux console? |
| 19:58.41 | ski | <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System> |
| 19:59.48 | rotaticus | how to get 256 colors on the linux console? |
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| 20:00.06 | rotaticus | and how do i check |
| 20:00.38 | JoeRock | I look a lot of packets using public dns ( as 8.8.4.4 or opendns ) , and using bind9 too |
| 20:00.47 | SuperSeriouCat | That look like DE's to me... Guess I got another definition of desktop environment |
| 20:01.13 | greycat | A desktop environment is a big huge overengineered Thing that tries to take over the entire user experience, like GNOME or KDE. |
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| 20:01.39 | greycat | For decades before Desktop Environments existed, ordinary people installed a window manager and used startx to start X. |
| 20:01.58 | greycat | Some of us still do. |
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| 20:02.27 | SuperSeriouCat | But what I am looking for is how to get 256 colors in a setup running a headless Debian 9, and plan on SSH in and attach a running tmux |
| 20:03.14 | n4dir | "some of us" is probably an understatement. From what i hear many people use window managers instead of a DE. |
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| 20:03.24 | greycat | Only us veterans. |
| 20:03.44 | n4dir | well, we will never know for sure. To me it looks like they are quite hip. |
| 20:03.55 | SuperSeriouCat | Gues this is my terminal. getty from util-linux 2.29.2 |
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| 20:04.38 | greycat | SuperSeriouCat: oh, you changed the question *AGAIN*. The number of colors is determined by the *actual terminal* that the stuff gets displayed on. Wherever that is. If your Debian system is "headless" then the terminal is probably not running on Debian at all. It's Putty on Windows, or something on Mac OS, or it's a phone, or ...? |
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| 20:05.03 | greycat | SuperSeriouCat: where does the text *actually show up* |
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| 20:06.31 | n4dir | fbterm came to my mind, but i couldn't figure out if it can do 256 colors. This thread says it can (truth to be told, i don't really understand the answers there): https://superuser.com/questions/67582/tty-with-256-colors |
| 20:06.39 | jelly | SuperSeriouCat: if your ssh client is running on windows, your ssh client is probably also your terminal. What do you use to ssh in? |
| 20:08.29 | SuperSeriouCat | We should change nicks :p Final/full question/setup. SSH in to a headless Debian 9 VM who got some stuff running in tmux. From a Ubuntu machine |
| 20:08.49 | greycat | Then the terminal is running on Ubuntu, and you need to ask the Ubuntu machine what it is. |
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| 20:09.24 | SuperSeriouCat | It still dont work on the VM yet |
| 20:09.43 | jelly | what does not work |
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| 20:10.38 | SuperSeriouCat | "(22:09:52) Switched to 'Default (16 ANSI colors)' color theme" The Debian VM do not have 256 colors working yet |
| 20:10.48 | jelly | SuperSeriouCat: on your ubuntu machine, do you have a terminal window open, then type in "ssh ip-of-your-debian" to connect to debian? |
| 20:11.14 | SuperSeriouCat | Tested there and on remote console |
| 20:11.29 | jelly | where is "there"? |
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| 20:11.41 | SuperSeriouCat | ssh |
| 20:11.53 | jelly | how are you starting ssh? |
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| 20:13.05 | jelly | do you type in some command starting with ssh? |
| 20:13.43 | jelly | if so, the window where you type that in is your terminal |
| 20:13.49 | SuperSeriouCat | No need to bother with this machine yet. Exited, rebooted and only controll it via VMWare Remote Console now. It support 256 |
| 20:14.10 | Vizva | gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': |
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| 20:14.20 | SuperSeriouCat | The program I start in tmux say it dont support 256 colors |
| 20:14.20 | Drain | hi |
| 20:14.21 | greycat | And now VMware is involved. |
| 20:14.41 | Vizva | i did gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 6294BE9B 2011-01-05 |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | So we have ubuntu, vmware, debian, tmux, and what else? |
| 20:14.49 | Vizva | to get the debian key for cd |
| 20:14.57 | SuperSeriouCat | A grumpy cat? |
| 20:15.08 | jelly | Vizva: install dirmngr, then |
| 20:15.12 | Drain | I recently installed a debian version but I do not see the start or stop scripts what to do please ? |
| 20:15.17 | Vizva | jelly i dont find it |
| 20:15.29 | Vizva | i think its included |
| 20:15.54 | jelly | Vizva: which debian release do you have installed |
| 20:16.05 | Vizva | 9 |
| 20:16.14 | jelly | Vizva: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/dirmngr" say |
| 20:16.43 | Vizva | dont find |
| 20:16.57 | jelly | Vizva: then you don't have it. Install that package. |
| 20:17.05 | jelly | apt-get install dirmngr |
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| 20:17.27 | topyli | Drain: debian uses systemd these days, there are no scripts |
| 20:18.00 | Vizva | JELLY IN SYNAPTIC I DONT FIND IT |
| 20:18.02 | Vizva | BUT NOW |
| 20:18.07 | Vizva | sorry |
| 20:18.19 | Vizva | thank you |
| 20:19.05 | jelly | Vizva: exit synaptic, then run "apt-get update" as root, then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy dirmngr" if possible |
| 20:19.17 | jelly | !paste |
| 20:19.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:22.11 | jelly | Drain: what kind of start and stop scripts are you looking for? |
| 20:22.22 | jelly | !goal |
| 20:22.22 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 20:22.32 | jelly | !ask |
| 20:22.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:23.36 | Drain | jelly |
| 20:23.38 | Drain | The scripts used for services like ssh, apache etc. |
| 20:23.41 | Vizva | http://paste.debian.net/982781/ |
| 20:23.50 | greycat | ssh uses systemd. apache2 may not. |
| 20:24.13 | greycat | In stretch, you have /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service and ssh@.service and ssh.socket |
| 20:24.14 | Drain | and apache ? |
| 20:24.18 | jhutchins_wk | SuperSeriouCat: You probably need to install the guest extensions for your virtualizer. |
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| 20:26.54 | jelly | Vizva: so it looks like apt thinks "dirmngr" is installed, but you don't have /usr/bin/dirmngr. This points to data loss or filesystem corruption. |
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| 20:27.49 | Vizva | jelly no i have it now |
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| 20:27.55 | Vizva | you give me the command |
| 20:28.02 | Vizva | and i did say thank you |
| 20:28.03 | jelly | Vizva: you can fix this particular file by reinstalling dirmngr package, "apt-get --reinstall install dirmngr", but who knows what else is missing |
| 20:28.15 | Vizva | but before i dont find it in synaptic |
| 20:28.15 | jelly | oh, alright |
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| 20:28.41 | jelly | Vizva: maybe you did not click on some button in synaptic that does the same thing as "apt-get update" |
| 20:28.56 | jelly | I have no idea what synaptic looks like. |
| 20:29.37 | Vizva | maybe youre correct |
| 20:29.44 | Vizva | and i did forget click there |
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| 20:31.47 | n4dir | Vizva: in my humble opinion the basic package-management with commands is very easy. But you also gain a lot (really a lot) of options to go way beyond the basic stuff (assuming you neet it). I would give up on synaptic (though it probably has also some advantages) |
| 20:31.53 | SuperSeriouCat | jhutchins_wk, it is already installed :) |
| 20:33.04 | boodie | Hi (stretch): all my audio does not work (not youtube, ) ... how do I assess whether it's a HS or a SW problem? |
| 20:34.04 | greycat | boodie: you mean in Firefox? |
| 20:34.35 | jelly | Drain: I guess you'll want to read https://wiki.debian.org/systemd and use systemctl to figure out which services are running, for manual stop/start, and similar. Eg. "systemctl status apache2", "systemctl status ssh" |
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| 20:35.03 | Drain | jelly thanks good help! |
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| 20:36.03 | Vizva | n4dir they change something in debian 9 other than jessy i got confused a little bit |
| 20:36.18 | boodie | Firefox ... but VLC does not work no CD reproduction, nothing ...... |
| 20:36.33 | n4dir | Vizva: i only made a sidenote. |
| 20:36.48 | greycat | boodie: firefox-esr as of version 52.x needs PulseAudio for sound :( |
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| 20:37.30 | boodie | Yeah, everything worked until today |
| 20:37.41 | greycat | What did you change today? |
| 20:38.00 | Vizva | n4dir all gui have advantages - but i have too remember the commands for bsd |
| 20:38.02 | boodie | nothing, not with apt or anything |
| 20:38.06 | Vizva | too |
| 20:38.18 | Vizva | so sometimes its more easy for me to click a button |
| 20:38.21 | jelly | Vizva: if you're asking what's new and changed in Debian 9 compared to 8, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html |
| 20:38.23 | n4dir | I don't think BSD uses apt ... |
| 20:38.41 | Vizva | yes they use another command |
| 20:38.43 | Vizva | and then you have to think |
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| 20:39.00 | Vizva | pkg_add |
| 20:39.24 | n4dir | anyway: enable history completion, or however it is called. You enter the few commands you need once, then just type "apt", hit the tab key, and will get to know which commands of apt you usually use |
| 20:39.43 | Vizva | i have that histroy |
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| 20:39.51 | Vizva | but there is such a lot things inside |
| 20:40.05 | Vizva | there are hundred of lines |
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| 20:41.05 | n4dir | nope, not if you do "\e[5~": history-search-backward ; and ; "\e[6~": history-search-forward in /etc/inputrc. You can let commands autocomplete which start with "apt" |
| 20:41.31 | n4dir | but if synaptic is more comfortable to you, that is really your choice. |
| 20:41.45 | Vizva | i have a lot of dd commands and thing like cryptsetup |
| 20:41.50 | Vizva | i dont start with autocompletition |
| 20:42.05 | Vizva | its enough for me in the days of t9 |
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| 20:42.35 | Vizva | why not i am not a purist |
| 20:42.45 | Vizva | and i need to try everything |
| 20:43.19 | Vizva | i enjoy comeing from the days of homeboxes in ascii |
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| 20:43.56 | n4dir | All i tried to say is that the debian packagemanagement is a real gem. And i guess i can compare it with a few others now. |
| 20:44.10 | Vizva | in the past i did use my modem to get my news .- today i like buttons in color of light colors |
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| 20:44.48 | Vizva | the problem is too that i have many to check |
| 20:45.28 | lobo-checo | hi there, I would like to download live CD / DVD. Could you give me the link for AMD 64 x 2 please? |
| 20:46.30 | n4dir | !live |
| 20:46.30 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 20:47.26 | lobo-checo | n4dir: thank you |
| 20:47.31 | n4dir | i wouldn't say they are usefull to install debian (and as far i can tell quite a few would agree). but i hope the links will give you the download you ask for, lobo-checo |
| 20:47.50 | lobo-checo | I have only 3GB RAM, which one would be better? CD or DVD? |
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| 20:48.49 | n4dir | i don't know. i wish i had a mashine with 3 GB of RAM (but then: no clue for what i would need it ... ) |
| 20:48.49 | lobo-checo | does it matter, that my HDD is formated to 32 bit only? |
| 20:49.06 | lobo-checo | do you have less than this? |
| 20:49.11 | greycat | Amount of RAM has no bearing on what kind of install medium you use. |
| 20:49.36 | digdilem | lobo live-cd doesn't use your hdd unless you choose to install (although it can read it) |
| 20:49.38 | lobo-checo | I mean it is all read to RAM, right? |
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| 20:49.56 | lobo-checo | I know, I had debian a short time in the past |
| 20:49.59 | n4dir | lobo-checo: well i use my machines with less RAM to boot liveCD's, and it works (not perfect, but it does work). I don't think CD or DVD matter. |
| 20:50.01 | lobo-checo | debian sid |
| 20:50.02 | digdilem | lobo-checo, the minimum specs will be on the livecd page somewhere, but 3gb will be fine |
| 20:50.03 | greycat | If you're going to install, don't use the Live CD images. |
| 20:50.10 | coet-i3 | Hi, anyone know how to allow insecure repos to be updated with apt-get update ? |
| 20:50.20 | lobo-checo | ah, OK, thank you |
| 20:50.39 | lobo-checo | greycat: why not? |
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| 20:50.52 | greycat | Because they haven't worked well for installations in *years*. |
| 20:50.56 | lobo-checo | I am just curious. I will not install it now. Have to think about it |
| 20:51.15 | lobo-checo | :O |
| 20:51.42 | lobo-checo | ok, thank you. And what is now the recommanded way to install debian? |
| 20:51.46 | coet-i3 | it says on the manpages that "Individual repositories can also be allowed to be insecure via the sources.list(5) option allow-insecure=yes" but I don't know how to do that |
| 20:51.51 | greycat | !netinst |
| 20:51.51 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:52.35 | lobo-checo | so my internet connection is very limited. I use my phone like modem. |
| 20:52.46 | lobo-checo | may be 1GB |
| 20:53.02 | digdilem | lobo-checo, netinst is the right answer to install in all situations except where you have no network connection at all |
| 20:53.04 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 20:53.28 | greycat | OK, if your internet SUCKS, then take the computer to a library or an internet cafe or a fast food restaurant or wherever and do the install *there*. |
| 20:53.30 | lobo-checo | ah, ok. thank you |
| 20:53.34 | greycat | If your entire *country*' |
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| 20:53.44 | greycat | If your entire *country*'s internet sucks, then mail order the DVD image. |
| 20:53.53 | lobo-checo | I dont have a notebook, but PC :D |
| 20:54.02 | lobo-checo | so impossible in a restaurrant |
| 20:54.13 | digdilem | just use netinst and leave it downloading overnight (I'm also on limited internet) |
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| 20:54.40 | n4dir | With that litte amount of download ordering the DVD image is probably a good idea anyway. |
| 20:54.41 | lobo-checo | no, the connection is very good, but the amout of data could be the problem |
| 20:54.53 | digdilem | it's better because you're not downloading stuff you don't need, like you will with a live-cd or full install set |
| 20:54.59 | lobo-checo | I just updated win 7 downloading more than 1GB |
| 20:55.37 | lobo-checo | there was a german project sidux based on sid |
| 20:55.49 | lobo-checo | their livd CDs worked |
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| 20:55.52 | jhutchins_wk | !sid |
| 20:55.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 20:55.56 | lobo-checo | it is a bit strange for me |
| 20:56.24 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/debian-live |
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| 20:56.36 | lobo-checo | I know the story |
| 20:56.39 | jhutchins_wk | lobo-checo: Mail order disks work great. You know about dual-boot, right? |
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| 20:56.50 | lobo-checo | but it never broked itself, I broked it |
| 20:56.53 | lobo-checo | :D |
| 20:57.18 | lobo-checo | the boot manager? |
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| 20:57.23 | n4dir | Sid or Sid based distro upgrade all the time. I don't think that is a good option in your case. |
| 20:57.27 | Trap-Chan | is there a way to mask the CLIishness of boot? |
| 20:57.29 | lobo-checo | what was its name? |
| 20:57.32 | lobo-checo | grub |
| 20:58.01 | lobo-checo | n4dir: it is not now |
| 20:58.26 | n4dir | sure, not now. |
| 20:58.29 | lobo-checo | I am not desided, yet. It would be a big step. |
| 20:58.39 | lobo-checo | right |
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| 20:59.27 | vlt | lobo-checo: Iâd also recommend using the small netinstall image to start. And use stable Debian ;-) You had enough of unstable there :-D |
| 21:00.05 | lobo-checo | :D |
| 21:00.08 | n4dir | I would go to a internet cafe and download a bigger installation iso, probably the DVD's. |
| 21:00.09 | lobo-checo | hi vlt |
| 21:00.19 | lobo-checo | one more question |
| 21:00.31 | coet-i3 | Hi, anyone know how to allow insecure repos to be updated with apt-get update ? it says on the manpages that "Individual repositories can also be allowed to be insecure via the sources.list(5) option allow-insecure=yes" but I don't know how to do that |
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| 21:00.33 | lobo-checo | as I mensioned, I am connected by samsung galaxy |
| 21:00.55 | lobo-checo | do you mean, the connection will work with debian out of box? |
| 21:01.03 | vlt | lobo-checo: Yes. |
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| 21:01.47 | vlt | lobo-checo: Just activate USB tethering and youâll get a usable device. |
| 21:01.58 | lobo-checo | great. I was very afraid about this. I had a big problem with win 7 |
| 21:02.05 | lobo-checo | great |
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| 21:02.21 | Trap-Chan | coet-i3 it sounds like you just add that text to the line of the sources.list for the repo in question. |
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| 21:02.42 | lobo-checo | vlt: give me the correct link for the future, please. |
| 21:02.58 | coet-i3 | that is not working Trap-Chan |
| 21:03.07 | vlt | lobo-checo: To what? The netinstall image? |
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| 21:03.36 | lobo-checo | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-kde.iso.torrent |
| 21:03.38 | lobo-checo | this one? |
| 21:03.43 | lobo-checo | yes |
| 21:03.47 | lobo-checo | netinstall |
| 21:03.55 | greycat | That is a live image, not a netinst image. |
| 21:03.59 | lobo-checo | no I wil burn this one |
| 21:04.09 | lobo-checo | to see how it looks like |
| 21:04.13 | vlt | lobo-checo: And itâs a torrent file. |
| 21:04.20 | lobo-checo | I used debian in 2002 |
| 21:04.27 | lobo-checo | sure, I see :) |
| 21:04.50 | lobo-checo | for the case I get out of money |
| 21:05.13 | Trap-Chan | coet-i3 i went to wiki/SourcesList and can't even find that argument you mentioned. where did you see it? |
| 21:05.17 | lobo-checo | and the netinstall ? |
| 21:05.40 | vlt | lobo-checo: Scroll back ;-) |
| 21:05.51 | greycat | or this one... |
| 21:05.53 | greycat | !firmware image |
| 21:05.53 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 21:06.15 | coet-i3 | Trap-Chan, it's on the manpages of apt-secure. You can find it here too http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man5/sources.list.5.html |
| 21:07.13 | lobo-checo | thank you a lot |
| 21:07.30 | Trap-Chan | coet-i3, that page is for ubuntu not debian, yeah? |
| 21:08.12 | coet-i3 | yes, I just copied you the first one I found. If you type "man 8 apt-secure" you will find it also there |
| 21:08.15 | coet-i3 | Trap-Chan, |
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| 21:13.49 | Trap-Chan | coet-i3, well, my only other idea as a newb would be to have a line at the top that instead of starting with deb and having a URL is that text. then it looks like you affix trusted to the end of the lines you want to be trusted. |
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| 21:18.12 | coet-i3 | Trap-Chan, I tried this: deb [ allow-insecure=yes] http://download.osmc.tv/dev/gmc-18 ./ |
| 21:18.14 | coet-i3 | but no luck |
| 21:18.58 | Trap-Chan | like is said reading that article makes me think that your supposed to have allow-insecure=yes on a line all by itself and then where you put [allow-insecure=yes] instead you put trusted. |
| 21:19.22 | n4dir | i assumed it would be at the end of the line, but wild guessing when it comes to syntax is ... urgh :-) Sure not easy to find the right way on the Web. |
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| 21:20.00 | coet-i3 | Ok, I understand, I will try that now, Trap-Chan |
| 21:20.04 | Trap-Chan | n4dir yeah i was thinking end of line too. |
| 21:20.17 | greycat | And none of the examples in sources.list(5) are of any use either. |
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| 21:23.00 | greycat | "trusted" is described as a "tri-state value", so maybe you can put [trusted=yes] |
| 21:23.15 | coet-i3 | Trap-Chan, greycat, n4dir . I tried this again (deb [ allow-insecure=yes] http://download.osmc.tv/dev/gmc-18 ./) and now it works, weird! |
| 21:23.30 | coet-i3 | so the exact syntax is this one: deb [ allow-insecure=yes] http://download.osmc.tv/dev/gmc-18 ./ |
| 21:23.37 | coet-i3 | thanks to all of you! |
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| 21:33.52 | sharp15 | is there a way to have a message pop up on all VT shell logins? i'm not sure if motd will do this or only do this once per day. |
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| 21:34.55 | n4dir | perhaps "wall" |
| 21:35.11 | n4dir | ah, on login. sorry |
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| 21:37.25 | sharp15 | if i want to test. can i just edit /etc/motd? i.e 'vim /etc/motd' |
| 21:37.53 | sharp15 | or is that a script generated file by default? |
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| 21:45.13 | forthwright | hello all :) |
| 21:45.16 | sandieg | hi all |
| 21:45.17 | sandieg | :) |
| 21:45.23 | forthwright | Anyone use or is familiar with WonderCMS ? |
| 21:47.28 | forthwright | Blessings be to all :) |
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| 21:47.43 | sandieg | can someone help me: https://pastebin.com/nyHgySkj |
| 21:47.50 | sandieg | no sound on system |
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| 21:50.10 | sharp15 | sandieg: did you use alsamixer to check the mute buttons? |
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| 21:53.27 | sharp15 | sandieg: once you have made sure everything is un-muted. aplay has a way to choose sound cards. start steping through them. software selecting the wrong soundcard is a constant annoyance. games using fmod are notorious for requiring configuration file editing or uncorrectably selecting card 0 in contradiction of the configured default. |
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| 21:55.58 | anonymous_23 | hi |
| 21:56.05 | asterismo | hi |
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| 21:56.41 | asterismo | the panasonic toughboox cf 31 works without crashing the X server under LXDE |
| 21:56.48 | asterismo | i removed KDE |
| 21:57.03 | asterismo | but the realtek audio is gone |
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| 21:57.30 | asterismo | what module do i have to enable to have audio? |
| 22:00.09 | asterismo | the laptop has Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio |
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| 22:03.45 | asterismo | i get activity on the audio tachometer in pavucontrol |
| 22:03.57 | asterismo | its like the audio is muted |
| 22:04.08 | sandieg | ty sharp15 |
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| 22:07.10 | sandieg | do you mind a pm you |
| 22:07.12 | sandieg | sharp15, |
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| 22:08.14 | asterismo | anyone? |
| 22:08.17 | sandieg | sharp15, can i pm you ? |
| 22:08.47 | sandieg | asterismo : check etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and other files blocking the drivers |
| 22:09.05 | sandieg | some debian distros bring them by default ON! |
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| 22:09.32 | aloo_shu | asterismo maybe pulseaudio isn't gone altogether? ps -e|grep pulse should give a clue |
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| 22:11.39 | asterismo | aloo_shu, there was a pulseaudio running |
| 22:11.44 | asterismo | i killed it |
| 22:11.53 | asterismo | this is my aplay -l |
| 22:11.55 | asterismo | https://paste.debian.net/982793/ |
| 22:12.02 | asterismo | still no sound |
| 22:12.18 | asterismo | and i have no blacklist on that folder |
| 22:13.03 | aloo_shu | asterismo check if it is really gone. maybe you have to disable pulseaudio as a service - unless you *want* to use it and LXDE likes it |
| 22:13.36 | asterismo | how to disable pulseaudio as a service? |
| 22:15.25 | aloo_shu | asterismo I just see one thing there, so the realtek wasn't your only card? you have the hda intel as well? only the latter doesn't show? |
| 22:15.50 | aloo_shu | sorry *former, hda shows, realtek doesn't? |
| 22:16.19 | asterismo | i thought it was a realtek |
| 22:16.25 | asterismo | it is intel |
| 22:16.30 | aloo_shu | ok |
| 22:16.33 | asterismo | sorry, my bad |
| 22:16.52 | aloo_shu | and if yo give the card as a parameter with aplay? |
| 22:17.04 | asterismo | how? |
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| 22:18.26 | asterismo | i installed firmware-realtek, should i remove it? |
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| 22:18.33 | asterismo | brb |
| 22:18.38 | aloo_shu | man aplay would tell you, apparently there's a -D parameter |
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| 22:18.59 | aloo_shu | asterismo firmware realtek shouldn't interfere |
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| 22:20.21 | aloo_shu | asterismo disable pulseaudio , the safest way would be through the session-startup or such settings in your desktop |
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| 22:21.42 | aloo_shu | also, asterismo, are you we talking about the aplay *command* or are you using a player of that name? |
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| 22:24.59 | asterismo_l | hi |
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| 22:27.37 | aloo_shu | so? |
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| 22:30.12 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l one thing seems sure,if you get the terminal output you posted, the kernel *does* see your HDA intel card and no module is missing or blacklisted |
| 22:30.30 | aloo_shu | so what have you done meanwhile, and what has happened? |
| 22:30.40 | Trap-Chan | is add-apt-repository a valid command? i'm getting a "command not found" when trying to use it as instructed. |
| 22:30.45 | asterismo_l | i'm trying to remove kde |
| 22:31.06 | asterismo_l | rebooted, no sound |
| 22:32.08 | cluelessperson | I'm getting this error when I tyr to start a service |
| 22:32.10 | cluelessperson | No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 22:32.41 | cluelessperson | however, the User=<user> has the passwd defined: /etc/<user>/ with 700 on it |
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| 22:33.55 | aloo_shu | probably something was not quite right in the way you went from kde to lxde, to begin with, asterismo_l ,but let's see if sound can be fixed |
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| 22:35.35 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l , let's try a different approach. You didn't disable or kill pulseaudio yet, did you? |
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| 22:35.55 | aloo_shu | after this reboot |
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| 22:38.18 | locrian9 | ntp question... I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (sysvinit) and wanted to have this server ntp sync with 'server x.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org'. I'm running the 'ntpd' daemon https://ptpb.pw/DMxU.txt and I entered these into my iptables https://ptpb.pw/LKg1.txt . I'm testing manually and seeing 'no server suitable for synchronization' https://ptpb.pw/MYd3.txt. Any suggestions? |
| 22:38.51 | jmcnaught | locrian9: go ask #ubuntu, only Debian is supported in #debian as you've been told before |
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| 22:40.28 | aloo_shu | cluelessperson are you by any chance trying to start or stop services for your user while being root? |
| 22:40.49 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: that command is in the software-properties-common package, but generally people simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list or make a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to add a new repository |
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| 22:41.34 | Trap-Chan | jmcnaught, it said it was for adding a PPA. oddly i was able to get the package without adding the PPA whatever that is. |
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| 22:41.41 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: if you're following instructions for Ubuntu (where using that command is more common) be careful not to install packages compiled for Ubuntu instead of Debian. Just because they both use .deb does not mean that the distros are mutually compatible |
| 22:41.50 | asterismo_l | aloo_shu, i removed pulseaudio and it is not running |
| 22:41.59 | Trap-Chan | it said "debian based" |
| 22:42.17 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: you may want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for some pointers on not breaking your system installing third-party software |
| 22:42.36 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l and aplay is aplay command in a terminal, right ? |
| 22:42.45 | asterismo_l | yes |
| 22:42.54 | Trap-Chan | what are the rules here on discussing emulation? (not the games just the software) |
| 22:43.13 | jmcnaught | removing pulseaudio is just compounding your problems, especially if there is still no sound when pulseaudio is not running |
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| 22:43.49 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: if you have a support question for emulation software that is in Debian's repos you can ask here, if there is a better channel someone might point you towards it |
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| 22:44.35 | Trap-Chan | k. if it's ok to discuss: i was trying to install retro arch. http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Using_RetroArch << said to do the ppa stuff. seemed to work without doing that though. hopefully i didn't do something wrong. :P |
| 22:45.16 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l just tried that here, aplay doesn't seem to be the most clever command, tried to play back a 44.1khz .mp3 at 8000Hz |
| 22:45.20 | jmcnaught | ,i retroarch |
| 22:45.22 | judd | Package retroarch (otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: Simple frontend for the libretro library. Version: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; Size: 664.3k; Installed: 2236k; Homepage: http://www.libretro.com/ |
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| 22:45.43 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: that package is already in Debian, you don't need to add a third party repo to install it |
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| 22:46.24 | asterismo_l | aloo_shu, i tried to play a youtube video and nothing |
| 22:46.26 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l do you have something else to check playback? Does your lxde desktop work already? |
| 22:46.38 | Trap-Chan | k. so i'm good then? what exactly is a PPA and why is that guide saying to add it? it doesn't look like a repo since there is none of the typical arguments like the uri or the main/contrib/non-free etc stuff. |
| 22:47.21 | jmcnaught | Trap-Chan: a lot of bad advice on the internet. A PPA is a type of third party repository that has packages in it that are *not* from Debian. |
| 22:47.39 | Trap-Chan | k gotcha. so avoid PPAs. |
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| 22:48.33 | cluelessperson | aloo_shu: yes |
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| 22:48.50 | cluelessperson | aloo_shu: sorry, turns out I got the directory name wrong. >.< |
| 22:48.56 | cluelessperson | I hate spotting things like that right after I ask |
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| 22:48.59 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: PPA's are usually made for ubuntu which may have different versions of the libaries (or sometimes different libaries) which makes installing said package a pain. We only support offical debian packages from the debian repo (don't worry most stuff is there), and it is suggested you only use third party repos that build packages specifically for the version of debian you are using (not ubuntu, or a |
| 22:49.05 | somiaj | ny other debian based distro) |
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| 22:50.14 | aloo_shu | asterismo_l just a simple audio player like audacious or such? It would be nice to have one where you can pick the playback device in the settings. should be set to alsa |
| 22:50.19 | Trap-Chan | k gotcha. sofar all my repos are for debian.org...or was it .net? i can't rememer but all but hte non-free one were given to me by a bot here in this chat. |
| 22:50.44 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: deb.debian.org I think is the most current mirror redirector |
| 22:50.49 | somiaj | !deb.debian.org |
| 22:50.49 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 22:51.17 | aloo_shu | cluelessperson I love it if my clues help although I don't have too many |
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| 22:52.09 | Trap-Chan | is gog galaxy in debian's repos? |
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| 23:02.22 | Trap-Chan | ahh bugger, looks like gog games are compiled for ubuntu? |
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| 23:10.58 | Trap-Chan | is there a way to launch firefox to a specific page in fullscreen(f11) mode? |
| 23:11.44 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: what de/wm are you using? |
| 23:12.34 | somiaj | I know how to do that in fvwm, but unsure about other wms/de, but the window manager is what is in charge of putting windows in place, and most you should be able to tell what page to launch an application on. |
| 23:12.45 | Trap-Chan | xfce |
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| 23:12.58 | Trap-Chan | i'm trying to launch it from steam though. |
| 23:13.41 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/206624/how-do-i-script-to-open-a-set-of-programs-each-on-specific-workspace |
| 23:13.54 | somiaj | that may work, might be a more generic way to achive this using wmctrl |
| 23:14.02 | somiaj | you may need to write a script, and call that script from steam to get it to work |
| 23:14.44 | somiaj | https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=3124 -- seems that xfce doens't have a built in feature to do this, but with wmctrl you should be able to achive that affect. |
| 23:14.49 | Trap-Chan | hrm. i figured maybe there would be some setting in firefox to start fullscreen. |
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| 23:17.52 | somiaj | Trap-Chan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/36287/how-to-start-firefox-in-fullscreen-mode that may help |
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| 23:22.36 | ghormoon | hi, were there any changes between bind default in debian 8 and 9? after upgrade, I've got issues with rdnc now, with iptables enabled (even tough they allow input locally) it complains it can't loccent to 127.0.0.1:953, with flushed iptables, it doesn't say much and just tries to shutdown (rndc process hangs and it just doesn't stop intil I kill -9 the rndc, next start it will just try to stp again anyway). setting controls { }; doesn't help, still |
| 23:22.41 | Trap-Chan | hrm that doesn't seem to work. just keeps opening in regular mode. >.< |
| 23:22.41 | ghormoon | rndc starts :( |
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| 23:23.23 | ghormoon | also another "issue", why I don't see most of the devices in /dev/input/by-id and by-path? can I somehow enable it to link them there so I don't have to guess them by number? :) |
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| 23:23.36 | somiaj | ,v bind |
| 23:23.37 | judd | No package named 'bind' was found in amd64. |
| 23:23.39 | somiaj | ,v bind9 |
| 23:23.40 | judd | Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u18; wheezy-backports: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u12; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u2; stretch- |
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| 23:24.40 | somiaj | ghormoon: not quite following you, are you talking about the DNS server bind, or about binding something else? |
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| 23:24.44 | ghormoon | yeah, the question is, was there any important change between 9.8 and 9.10? or maybe should I go directly to bind channel for this? I'm not sure if there can be any debian-specific configuration |
| 23:24.45 | sandiego | https://pastebin.com/09XZbzXt |
| 23:24.55 | sandiego | no sound at all |
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| 23:25.01 | ghormoon | somiaj: yes, bind9 dns server stopped working after upgrade |
| 23:26.06 | somiaj | ghormoon: hmm, I don't run servers, so unsure of any changes, but if you are courious one place to start is the changelog, /usr/share/doc/bind9/changelog.gz (there is also a changelog.Debian.gz too) |
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| 23:27.32 | ghormoon | I don't really need rdnc, strange it still tries to run it even when it is not set up |
| 23:27.52 | ghormoon | not sure if systemd doesn't somehow add rnc options somewhere because if I run named from commandline, it runs |
| 23:27.57 | sandiego | can someone give me a hand ? |
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| 23:29.01 | somiaj | sandiego: just ask your question for support with debian |
| 23:29.13 | jmcnaught | sandiego: your pastebin link requires a captcha for me, probably for others too. If you put it on a different one (like http://paste.debian.net/) |
| 23:29.25 | somiaj | ghormoon: unsure what the issue could be, might be something with yoursetup and the systemd unit files. |
| 23:29.37 | somiaj | sandiego: oh sorry, I missed your question above, follow jmcnaught advice and don't use pastebin.com |
| 23:30.05 | somiaj | !tell sandiego about alsa-checklist |
| 23:30.12 | sandiego | woot? |
| 23:30.13 | sandiego | http://paste.debian.net/982802/ |
| 23:30.27 | somiaj | what the bot said is standard advices for debugging alsa, if you use pulse, pavucontrol is a good tool |
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| 23:31.25 | sandiego | i use alsa |
| 23:31.33 | sandiego | mate smiaj :) |
| 23:31.35 | sandiego | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1667:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 23:31.36 | sandiego | aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such device |
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| 23:31.41 | somiaj | sandiego: might want to follow the bots advices on the alsa-checklist and debug the sound seperate of using mplayer |
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| 23:31.51 | somiaj | sandiego: does other software give you sound? |
| 23:32.15 | sandiego | nop |
| 23:32.23 | sandiego | what might be the cause of this ? |
| 23:32.35 | sandiego | i ll link lspci |
| 23:32.36 | sandiego | moment |
| 23:32.36 | somiaj | ghormoon: systemctl status servicename maybe useful, look at the rndc service and see what sort of errors it gives, you can also look at the unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system for that. |
| 23:32.49 | somiaj | sandiego: cat /proc/asound/cards is a good place to start. Do you see any cards. |
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| 23:33.34 | ghormoon | ok, got it, in /etc/defau;t/bind9 there was -v4 option that is now only -4 for ipv4 :) |
| 23:33.36 | sandiego | 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH |
| 23:33.36 | sandiego | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.36 | sandiego | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.36 | sandiego | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.46 | sandiego | only this 2 smiaj |
| 23:33.48 | sandiego | somiaj |
| 23:33.49 | sandiego | :) |
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| 23:34.09 | somiaj | sandiego: please don't paste to the channel. Okay now follow what the bot did and try to play to one of the sound cards using root. |
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| 23:34.58 | sandiego | how do i point the sound to the card ? it self somiaj |
| 23:35.27 | somiaj | did you read what I had the bot tell you? |
| 23:35.32 | sandiego | yup |
| 23:35.34 | sandiego | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 23:35.45 | sandiego | doesnt ring nothing in the headset |
| 23:35.51 | somiaj | you can also use aplay -L or man aplay to tell it to use a specific sound card. |
| 23:36.05 | somiaj | is this a laptop? And is the head set pluged into the standard audo jack? |
| 23:36.10 | sandiego | desktop |
| 23:36.22 | sandiego | yup standart3.5mm |
| 23:36.27 | sandiego | mobo |
| 23:36.27 | ghormoon | somiaj: yeah, the problem with status and journal was that I didn't get anything more from it. because bind doesn't say anything if you give him the wrong option. just dies :)) |
| 23:37.06 | sandiego | works fine in windows |
| 23:37.10 | somiaj | sandiego: hvae you checked alsamixer to ensure all the volumes at turned up and tried to plug into different jacks |
| 23:37.19 | sandiego | yup |
| 23:37.23 | somiaj | somtimes you have to manually set the model with an intel based card too since that sound card is quite generic |
| 23:37.35 | ghormoon | anyway, the other issue, is there anything (maybe in sysctl? ) that I need to turn on to get /dev/input/by-path and by-id populated like it was in debian 8? now it gives only usb devices etc, but not the ps/2 ones :( |
| 23:37.37 | sandiego | ohh how do i do that ? |
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| 23:37.48 | somiaj | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto that might help |
| 23:38.11 | sandiego | alsamixer |
| 23:38.11 | sandiego | cannot open mixer: No such device |
| 23:38.19 | sandiego | =/ |
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| 23:39.44 | somiaj | sandiego: do you have a ~/.asoundrc file or a /etc/asoundrc file? |
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| 23:42.37 | somiaj | sandiego: I have to head out, maybe others can help. |
| 23:42.46 | sandiego | ~/.asoundrc |
| 23:42.48 | sandiego | :( |
| 23:43.23 | somiaj | was that file there, if so it maybe messing you up, mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-bak then try to run alsamixer and see if it gets the default card |
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| 23:49.45 | Trap-Chan | woot. found an addon that launches it fullscreen. now my htpc can do netflix/retroarch/kodi all from steam BP and you never have to stop being in some semblance of 10" UI. |
| 23:49.46 | sandiego | hmmok |
| 23:52.11 | Trap-Chan | still need to figure out how to launch steam by default. |
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| 23:54.50 | Trap-Chan | I'm guessing there isn't a manpage on [/etc/init.d] [~/.config/autostart] [update-rc.d] |
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| 23:57.58 | JoeRock | I have win7 virtualizated with vb |
| 23:58.22 | JoeRock | may I use iptables as packet filter for virtual box ? |
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