| 00:00.31 | somiaj | Arcanos: are you running xorg? |
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| 00:00.41 | Arcanos | Yes, KDE |
| 00:00.55 | somiaj | Arcanos: can you see both cards with the command xrandr --listproviders |
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| 00:01.27 | Arcanos | http://termbin.com/g1hy |
| 00:01.41 | Arcanos | Yes |
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| 00:02.15 | somiaj | you should be able to tell xrandr to use both providers then add the additional moinintor using normal tools. I am unsure on teh details past this point |
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| 00:03.30 | somiaj | google suggestion xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0 |
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| 00:14.40 | Arcanos | Strange, I can't seem to enable the display on the second monitor |
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| 00:16.17 | Logg | try xrandr Arcanos |
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| 00:16.51 | Arcanos | I'm using kscreen wich is an xrandr GUI tool |
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| 00:25.32 | aguitel | how remove plasa-desktop and them install mate ? |
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| 00:32.16 | Arcanos | I was hoping to do the same as I had on Windows, Have the More powerful Card be the Primary display and have the Quadro be the Secondary display |
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| 00:32.45 | Arcanos | But It seems that it's 100X more difficult to do than I had thought |
| 00:32.45 | solid_reign | Every time I try to run gparted on my computer I get a "cannot open display: :0" What could the problem be_ |
| 00:32.46 | solid_reign | ? |
| 00:33.05 | Arcanos | Are you trying to open it via terminal? |
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| 00:33.29 | solid_reign | Arcanos, yes, but if I don't it won't open. |
| 00:33.39 | Arcanos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.03 | solid_reign | Arcanos, GNOME |
| 00:34.50 | Arcanos | if try Pressing ALT+F2 if a window opens type either gksu gparted or gksudo gparted |
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| 00:35.40 | solid_reign | Arcanos, perfect, that did it! |
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| 00:37.54 | somiaj | Arcanos: you might have to manually enable the second provider before the kde tool will see it. The tool may not have that feature (it is fairly new) added to it |
| 00:38.05 | somiaj | and that can be done by using xrandr directly. |
| 00:39.18 | Arcanos | somiaj, I guess I have hours of Reading the xrandr man page ahead of me.. Oh joy... |
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| 00:42.43 | Arcanos | Current xrandr output http://termbin.com/kuob |
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| 00:44.40 | Arcanos | Wow... All I had to do was xrandr --auto |
| 00:45.18 | Arcanos | and then kscreen worked.. go figure |
| 00:45.49 | Logg | neat. |
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| 01:09.25 | beingbrown | hey johnkeates maybe you remember i was around getting started with xen and lvm the other day? |
| 01:09.31 | johnkeates | yep |
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| 01:11.21 | beingbrown | oh cool. so I created my virtual group, and now I'm working with virt-manager to create a vm, but it's not letting me create it on vg0--like vg0 isn't listed as an option |
| 01:11.48 | johnkeates | what does pvscan and lvscan show? |
| 01:11.55 | beingbrown | let me log in and check |
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| 01:12.14 | johnkeates | and vgscan |
| 01:12.51 | johnkeates | pvscan should show you the disk or partition you are using, lvscan should show any logical volumes you created and vgscan should show you all known groups |
| 01:13.49 | beingbrown | so, lvscan showed nothing |
| 01:14.03 | beingbrown | vgscan shows the volume group vg0. pvscan shows |
| 01:14.12 | beingbrown | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.49 | beingbrown | i have not done lvcreate yet--i was thinking that'd be part of the vm creation process. i assume now I'm wrong about that? |
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| 01:15.54 | johnkeates | well, i don't really use any of the virt- stuff, so i can't really say |
| 01:16.12 | johnkeates | i use a configuration management system to do configuration and management (as the name implies) |
| 01:16.14 | beingbrown | do you just use the xen-tools api? |
| 01:16.17 | johnkeates | no |
| 01:16.20 | beingbrown | oh-like ansible? |
| 01:16.24 | johnkeates | I use saltstack |
| 01:16.32 | johnkeates | but yeah, something like that |
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| 01:16.40 | beingbrown | ah. okay. i've been doing everything via ansible |
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| 01:17.09 | johnkeates | basically, it does this: create a config, i.e. haproxy-1-prod.domain.com.cfg and fill it with the required parameters |
| 01:17.25 | johnkeates | then create disks (lvcreate or zfs create or iscsi related tasks) |
| 01:17.35 | johnkeates | and then it boots it (using xl create <config file>) |
| 01:18.20 | johnkeates | for non-image vm setups we use preseeding, so we start the vm with a initrd and vmlinuz and a parameter to download the preseed config from a preset provisioning server |
| 01:18.33 | johnkeates | it then installs and configures itself and reboots |
| 01:18.52 | johnkeates | then saltstack takes out the installer parameters from the config and lets it boot into the fresh install |
| 01:19.09 | beingbrown | hm... |
| 01:19.21 | beingbrown | i'm a bit lost if i'm honest. there's a lot there i'll have to google. |
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| 01:19.38 | johnkeates | which by the way, auto-registers itself with Saltstack and FreeIPA so it has direct configuration management and kerberos/ldap access so you can login with network accounts and ssh keys |
| 01:19.48 | johnkeates | in your case, however, do this: |
| 01:20.03 | johnkeates | - use lvcreate to manually create the disk you like, i.e. sudo lvcreate -L25G vg0 |
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| 01:20.32 | johnkeates | - create a config file for the vm you want to create, use this as a basis: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/ |
| 01:20.48 | johnkeates | in that same dir, there are the initrd and vmlinuz you'll want |
| 01:21.14 | johnkeates | the debian.cfg file has a ton of comments to help you |
| 01:21.15 | johnkeates | read those |
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| 01:21.33 | beingbrown | okay. |
| 01:21.37 | johnkeates | then, when you verified all the settings are OK, you can start it like this: sudo xl create -c debian.cfg |
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| 01:21.52 | johnkeates | this starts the virtual machine, and the -c flag means you directly attach to its serial console |
| 01:21.59 | johnkeates | you can then do the install from there |
| 01:22.16 | johnkeates | if you wanted to use virt-manager or virsh, you can do that too, but i don't know how that works |
| 01:22.17 | beingbrown | okay. yeah. i've done a little of that through some of the manual tutorials to famliarize msyelf. |
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| 01:22.45 | johnkeates | in case you want to try that out, you'll probably have to lvcreate a disk yourelf first if it doesn't do that for you |
| 01:22.50 | johnkeates | and you can start from there |
| 01:23.35 | johnkeates | at the same time, think about networking; you may want to create a network bridge device using brctl or something like that, so the VMs can access the network |
| 01:23.52 | johnkeates | i think virt-manager does that for you, but i'm not sure |
| 01:24.03 | johnkeates | virt-manager might also create a new MAC address for each vm |
| 01:24.29 | johnkeates | the .cfg files you can use directly don't have that obviously, but there is a small script that can generate correct and valid (Xen-registered) MAC-addresses for you |
| 01:24.35 | beingbrown | yeah--it does. that's why i was going to try it. i made a small NAT for a vm set, but it wasn't very robust, and when I asked in #xen, they said 'use virt-manager' |
| 01:24.37 | beingbrown | so i installed it |
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| 01:25.20 | beingbrown | i don't at all know what i'm doing, of course |
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| 01:25.38 | johnkeates | well, that's not a bad thing perse, you'll learn |
| 01:25.41 | johnkeates | https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Networking#MAC_addresses |
| 01:25.59 | beingbrown | my problem was i could get out, but not in |
| 01:26.15 | beingbrown | i want to be able to hit different boxes based on some nginx or haproxy setup |
| 01:26.26 | johnkeates | this guy has randmac.py https://gist.github.com/pklaus/9638536 |
| 01:26.32 | johnkeates | it generates MAC addresses for you |
| 01:26.47 | johnkeates | the network problem you have is most likely due to NAT |
| 01:26.53 | johnkeates | you would need port forwarding |
| 01:26.58 | johnkeates | and firewall rules |
| 01:27.10 | johnkeates | what kind of uplink do you have? |
| 01:27.25 | johnkeates | if it's a server and has a public IP address on an interface, you need NAT |
| 01:27.38 | johnkeates | if it's a PC that is already on an internal network, you might be better off bridging |
| 01:28.10 | beingbrown | it's a server with two ethernet ports. i'm not sure what you mean by uplink, i'm sorry to say |
| 01:28.13 | johnkeates | there is a better solution for iptables and NAT in the hypervisor side by using a VM for NAT, firewall etc. |
| 01:28.25 | johnkeates | you can create a VM with pfSense in it, or OpenWRT |
| 01:29.01 | johnkeates | give it two network interfaces, one vif for the ethernet port on the server (bridged) and one vif to a virtual switch or bridge that has no 'real' ethernet connection but only connects to the VMs |
| 01:29.13 | qwertytrewq | why would you want that to be running in a vm? |
| 01:29.36 | johnkeates | because you will get a nice interface |
| 01:29.43 | johnkeates | so you don't have to learn iptables |
| 01:29.55 | johnkeates | and because it's not the hypervisor's responsibility |
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| 01:30.19 | johnkeates | ideally you'd put storage, drivers etc. in their own vm domains too, but that's too hard for most people |
| 01:30.53 | johnkeates | having WAN --> pfSense -> LAN --> VMs works well, it's tested and gives you what you need |
| 01:31.20 | Arcanos | https://xkcd.com/1700/ |
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| 01:31.46 | Arcanos | johnkeates, Have you Tried Ipfire? |
| 01:31.48 | johnkeates | for the KVM clan, they often like iptables etc but unless you combine it with a package deal (Proxmox, OpenStack, CloudStack) it's hardly comparable to a network appliance firwall |
| 01:31.49 | johnkeates | yes |
| 01:31.55 | johnkeates | i have no problems with iptables |
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| 01:32.05 | johnkeates | i just don't want to explain it to everyone |
| 01:32.24 | Arcanos | I prefer it over pfsense because I have NO experience with BSD, But maybe pfsense is somehow better than ipfire |
| 01:32.38 | johnkeates | if i push openwrt or pfsense, they get a system that works and is maintained, and i don't have to deal with it :D |
| 01:32.48 | Arcanos | ahh |
| 01:32.53 | johnkeates | well, pf (bsd packet filter) is way more powerful than whatever you can get on linux |
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| 01:33.14 | Arcanos | I could never get pfsense working |
| 01:33.15 | johnkeates | also, pfSense is pretty much 100% web-managed (there are two cli shells, but why bother?) |
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| 01:33.52 | Arcanos | ipfire is practically the same |
| 01:33.59 | johnkeates | how could you not get it working? |
| 01:34.04 | johnkeates | i mean, what did you run in to |
| 01:34.16 | Arcanos | Vmware Workstation |
| 01:34.16 | beingbrown | i'm going to go try some things, and I'm sure I will be back with more questions. thanks for your patience. |
| 01:34.30 | pingfloyd | Arcanos: is that xkcd a php joke? |
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| 01:34.58 | Arcanos | pingfloyd, perhaps |
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| 01:35.17 | random_numbers | Was there a reason in particular that Kiwix isn't in the repos or is it that it just doesn't have a maintainer? |
| 01:35.36 | johnkeates | was it ever in the repo? |
| 01:35.42 | random_numbers | I don't think so. |
| 01:35.47 | johnkeates | then nobody has put it in there |
| 01:35.59 | johnkeates | so i guess: doesn't have a maintainer |
| 01:36.12 | pingfloyd | pfsense has a pretty decent interface |
| 01:36.32 | random_numbers | Alright. I'd been wondering due to it being GPL-licensed and as such not having any direct incompatibility with debian. |
| 01:36.37 | johnkeates | Arcanos: strange that you couldn't get it to work, it has all the offical vmware appliance certified stuff etc |
| 01:37.13 | johnkeates | i no longer bother with vmware, but around version 3 or so it did work just fine |
| 01:37.25 | Arcanos | I just have to do some more reading, maybe my issue was that I kept trying to config it via the CLI |
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| 01:38.01 | johnkeates | yeah, that doesn't work, except for initial IP config so you can access the web interface |
| 01:38.34 | Arcanos | I think that Was my issue |
| 01:38.42 | johnkeates | when it starts for the first time you have to tell it what interfaces you want to use and if there are any vlans before you can start, but other than that it's dhcp on LAN and go |
| 01:39.00 | Arcanos | The Interfaces part is MUCH easier in ipfire |
| 01:39.03 | Arcanos | at least to me |
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| 01:41.32 | johnkeates | well, in pfsense it's literally: which port is your WAN port? (select one from the list) and then which port is your LAN port? (select another one from the list) and then: you do need any additional ports? |
| 01:41.36 | johnkeates | that's all there is to it |
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| 01:42.40 | Arcanos | I think my issue was that I was overthinking things I'm gonna have to try it again sometime |
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| 01:49.30 | SagelessFox | hi all |
| 01:49.43 | SagelessFox | I am playing around with debian9 |
| 01:49.56 | SagelessFox | but I have a question: |
| 01:50.43 | SagelessFox | how do I make "xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1366x768x24 & x11vnc -display :1" this command autostart? |
| 01:51.14 | SagelessFox | I noticed that there is no rc.local in debian9 |
| 01:51.22 | SagelessFox | :/ |
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| 02:01.32 | likcoras | SagelessFox: on boot or on login? |
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| 02:01.44 | SagelessFox | on boot |
| 02:01.55 | SagelessFox | likcoras |
| 02:02.07 | likcoras | SagelessFox: Debian uses systemd, so I'd try writing a systemd unit. |
| 02:02.21 | likcoras | rc.* is sysv stuff, I think. |
| 02:02.47 | SagelessFox | hmm...yeah. I was working on sysv until seconds ago |
| 02:03.00 | likcoras | On debian? |
| 02:03.12 | SagelessFox | so is sysv stuff totally disabled in debian? |
| 02:03.17 | SagelessFox | yes, on debian |
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| 02:03.59 | likcoras | SagelessFox: you can switch to sysv if you don't like systemd |
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| 02:05.07 | likcoras | !jessie sysvinit |
| 02:05.07 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 02:05.12 | likcoras | there we go |
| 02:06.01 | johnkeates | no need for that nonsense |
| 02:06.12 | likcoras | johnkeates: ? |
| 02:06.14 | johnkeates | from some random manual: "The rc-local.service already exists in systemd and the service file suggests that the rc.local, if it exists and is executable, gets pulled automatically into multi-user.target." |
| 02:06.25 | likcoras | oooh. |
| 02:06.32 | jimbzy | I'm having trouble upgrading to the newest version of google chrome. I download the .deb (version 60) and install it with dpkg, but when I run it and check the info it says I'm still running version 59 |
| 02:06.38 | pingfloyd | yeah, rc.local should still work in the typical configuration |
| 02:06.44 | pingfloyd | in spite of using systemd |
| 02:06.48 | jimbzy | I even tried removing it before installing the new version with no luck. |
| 02:07.08 | johnkeates | jimbzy: try the apt repository instead? |
| 02:07.12 | SagelessFox | so I can create rc.local and it should work? ehh |
| 02:07.15 | johnkeates | yes |
| 02:07.24 | SagelessFox | ah ok, thanks |
| 02:08.05 | pingfloyd | also some scripts are still used from /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:08.06 | johnkeates | make sure it's executable and is a valid shell script; i.e. start it with the line #!/bin/bash and run sudo chmod +x /etc/rc.local |
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| 02:08.33 | jimbzy | I can't seem to locate it through there and have main contrib and non-free in my source list. |
| 02:08.34 | SagelessFox | thanks |
| 02:08.52 | johnkeates | jimbzy: it should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 02:09.31 | johnkeates | it's called google-chrome.list and contains this source line: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 02:09.50 | johnkeates | but why not install chromium? it's chrome but without google's default spyware |
| 02:09.57 | johnkeates | then again, for netflix... google chrome |
| 02:10.26 | jimbzy | I need it for this stupid lab software in school. |
| 02:11.20 | johnkeates | schools are stupid when they 'require' something like MS software, vmware, a specific browser etc. they should just make their courses and shit work to spec instead of sucking up to vendors |
| 02:11.24 | johnkeates | oh well. |
| 02:11.27 | johnkeates | im outta here |
| 02:11.28 | johnkeates | 4am |
| 02:11.53 | jimbzy | Thanks johnkeates |
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| 02:12.00 | jimbzy | Too slow :( |
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| 02:14.24 | SagelessFox | oh yeah my application succeeded thanks likcoras johnkeates pingfloyd |
| 02:14.39 | SagelessFox | ehh |
| 02:14.47 | abff | jimbzy you should probably purge the old version of chrome before installing the new one |
| 02:15.02 | jimbzy | I did, abff. |
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| 02:15.54 | jimbzy | That's what has me puzzled. It showed it was installing 60, but it loaded 59 |
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| 02:16.38 | abff | probably is still installed somewhere in your path |
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| 02:17.43 | jimbzy | That's possible. |
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| 02:29.39 | jimbzy | I'll have to mess with it in the morning. I have other homeowrk to do tonight. Thanks for the help and have a good one. |
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| 02:38.52 | Trap-Chan | what the hell. just went through the handouts for my daughter's kindergarten and they already intend to teach computer coding...wtf? |
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| 02:45.40 | gabrielc | what lang on what os? |
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| 02:47.12 | Trap-Chan | gabrielc, no idea the handout just says "computer coding" |
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| 02:48.03 | Trap-Chan | If i'd seen that during the open house I would have pushed for more details so I could set up her PC so she could practice at home. Guess I gotta wait till school year starts though. |
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| 02:51.44 | Trap-Chan | I wish there was a way I could find in hex chat to make it only notify me of actual channel activity not every bloody join and part. |
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| 02:54.18 | Epakai | Trap-Chan: there's a per channel setting. right click on a channel > settings > hide join/part |
| 02:55.18 | Trap-Chan | Epakai, but doesn't that hide the actual joins/parts? i still want to see them i just don't want them to be treated as activity. :P |
| 02:55.38 | Trap-Chan | wait...click channel? i don't seem to have a channel menu. |
| 02:56.04 | likcoras | Don't you have a list of channels to the left or at the top? |
| 02:56.19 | Trap-Chan | i have a list. but not somethign i can click. just right click |
| 02:56.30 | Trap-Chan | ahh that's what you meant. |
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| 03:08.32 | random_numbers | I found why kiwix isn't packaged. Its dependency management is pretty unusual, to say it nicely. |
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