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| 10:29.21 | Guest88506 | Ciao!!!!!! |
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| 10:29.37 | Guest88506 | !list |
| 10:29.37 | dpkg | guest88506: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 10:30.14 | Jonno_FTW | I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and I get this error: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (54 vs 67). Affected packages: avahi-daemon:amd64 dovecot-core:amd64 openssh-server:amd64 rsyslog:amd64 |
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| 10:38.45 | mi11k1 | Jonno_FTW, u multi arch? |
| 10:39.36 | mi11k1 | Jonno_FTW, what if you apt update and then apt upgrade before dist-upgrade |
| 10:40.17 | mi11k1 | Wulf, where in dconf editor? |
| 10:40.50 | Wulf | mi11k1: org/gnome/desktop/input-sources |
| 10:41.11 | Wulf | [('xkb','de+nodeadkeys')] |
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| 10:42.20 | mi11k1 | Wulf, ahhhh |
| 10:42.23 | mi11k1 | nice |
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| 11:26.00 | eugenmayer | any way to set the GRUB_DEFAULTS parameter during preseed? |
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| 11:27.07 | Wulf | eugenmayer: yes, late_cmd |
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| 11:27.33 | eugenmayer | Wulf: thats the only way? any examples ( sed foo ) already available |
| 11:27.40 | eugenmayer | googling right now, before writing it myself |
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| 11:28.49 | Wulf | eugenmayer: https://github.com/joernheissler/ubuntu-pxe/blob/master/preseed.txt |
| 11:28.58 | Wulf | and the other files there |
| 11:29.10 | Wulf | eugenmayer: doesn't change GRUB_DEFAULTS, but I guess you can adapt it. |
| 11:30.16 | eugenmayer | Wulf: is fetch-url always relative to the https server? |
| 11:30.25 | Wulf | eugenmayer: it's not |
| 11:30.42 | Wulf | eugenmayer: that's where "${url%/*}" comes in |
| 11:31.00 | Wulf | eugenmayer: url=... is the parameter you set in grub or syslinux |
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| 11:34.41 | eugenmayer | thanks |
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| 11:40.25 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:41.06 | Agiofws | is there an option to download debian but bit the net install i'd like to download an iso that has most basic packages installed |
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| 11:42.19 | Wulf | Agiofws: I don't understand your question. You can install debian from iso (dvd or usb) or from pxe (network) |
| 11:42.32 | Wulf | Agiofws: and there are mini-isos which download most stuff from internet |
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| 11:43.36 | Agiofws | what about mega isos |
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| 11:44.09 | Agiofws | is stretch stable or testing? |
| 11:44.13 | Wulf | stable |
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| 11:45.29 | Wulf | debian once had several .iso files, but I believe this was discontinued. |
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| 11:45.47 | Wulf | so only 1 cdrom image left, you need to download everything else from net |
| 11:47.56 | Wulf | Agiofws: what's wrong with network install? got no internet? |
| 11:49.10 | coruja | Agiofws, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:49.10 | Agiofws | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:49.30 | Wulf | oh, must have missed that |
| 11:49.45 | psychoticwarrior | no sleep |
| 11:49.47 | psychoticwarrior | tired |
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| 11:50.33 | Agiofws | thanks |
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| 11:52.57 | lord_ | hi to all |
| 11:53.13 | lord_ | i'm stuck in a problem |
| 11:53.35 | Wulf | lord_: try using a crowbar |
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| 11:53.45 | lord_ | I have a home server with debian sid |
| 11:53.49 | lord_ | Wulf, lol |
| 11:54.55 | lord_ | in that server there's a domoticz setup that worked well for last months, but due to a massive debian upgrade is behaving strangely |
| 11:55.07 | Wulf | I never heard of "domoticz" |
| 11:55.21 | Wulf | sounds like domo=home .. home automation? |
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| 11:55.32 | lord_ | Wulf, it's a web oriented setup for gome automation |
| 11:55.34 | lord_ | home |
| 11:55.41 | lord_ | yes |
| 11:56.00 | Wulf | lord_: so what does it do, and what do you expect it to? |
| 11:56.15 | lord_ | most of the tasks are written in lua |
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| 11:56.26 | lord_ | it's an event oriented playform |
| 11:56.53 | lord_ | so, it taked measurements from sensors, compute them in a way i like a do things |
| 11:56.57 | lord_ | open doors |
| 11:57.03 | Wulf | I get it. |
| 11:57.06 | lord_ | goos |
| 11:57.08 | lord_ | good |
| 11:57.11 | lord_ | well |
| 11:57.21 | lord_ | since last update |
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| 11:57.27 | lord_ | 2 days ago |
| 11:57.34 | Wulf | try pressing return less often. |
| 11:57.55 | lord_ | it seems not to be able to perform basic tasks as before |
| 11:58.28 | lord_ | as example: a bash script that performs some pings and send some curls |
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| 11:58.49 | lord_ | if I run the script from a shell it runs as expected |
| 11:59.19 | Wulf | lord_: did you already ask in #domoticz? |
| 11:59.23 | lord_ | but if I try to run it from a lua call (a os.execute()) |
| 11:59.48 | lord_ | it seems denied to run the ping command |
| 12:00.16 | lord_ | Wulf, domoticz didn't change, most of debian system did |
| 12:00.37 | Wulf | and now it's debian's fault? |
| 12:00.46 | lord_ | and, any way, yes, I tried, but nobody answered |
| 12:00.51 | lord_ | well |
| 12:01.10 | lord_ | ping exit with an 126 exit code if run from domoticz |
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| 12:01.44 | Wulf | lord_: did you check the kernel messages? |
| 12:01.45 | lord_ | I was wondering if there were some hardening functions in the latest updates |
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| 12:02.55 | lord_ | Wulf, sure, but I don't know what am I looking for |
| 12:03.08 | Wulf | lord_: for anything suspicious after you tried your command |
| 12:03.43 | lord_ | a 126 exit code seems that a command was attempted to be run as an unprivileged user, no? |
| 12:04.10 | Wulf | lord_: what makes you think so? |
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| 12:04.16 | lord_ | only some command have these difficulties |
| 12:04.27 | lord_ | such as ping, fping and so on |
| 12:04.44 | lord_ | ping need to have a raw access to create a socket |
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| 12:05.13 | lord_ | Wulf, this: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html |
| 12:06.40 | Wulf | interesting |
| 12:07.01 | Wulf | wasn't aware of this one |
| 12:07.02 | lord_ | there could be several problems, of course |
| 12:07.18 | lord_ | but: it started after a massive debian update |
| 12:07.31 | lord_ | and a dist-upgrade |
| 12:07.41 | Wulf | lord_: try strace |
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| 12:07.53 | Wulf | you should see what call exactly fails |
| 12:08.06 | lord_ | Wulf, good |
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| 12:10.15 | elwisp | Hi, after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie my box lost its network interface, its a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411. I installed firmware-realtek, but still no go |
| 12:10.59 | Wulf | elwisp: "ip link" does not show it? |
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| 12:11.10 | Wulf | elwisp: check your kernel messages |
| 12:11.10 | elwisp | nope |
| 12:11.25 | Wulf | elwisp: and make sure it's still in lspci. Perhaps the box really lost the interface? |
| 12:11.33 | elwisp | the card is there if i look in lspci, but problem is that the driver soes nto work |
| 12:11.44 | elwisp | does not work* |
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| 12:12.52 | Wulf | elwisp: check your kernel messages |
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| 12:14.01 | elwisp | for what? |
| 12:14.17 | gpunk | elwisp: ethernet device detetction |
| 12:14.21 | gpunk | or not |
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| 12:14.33 | elwisp | mah, its there, just drivers in jessie does not work |
| 12:14.49 | gpunk | elwisp: what does dmesg say ? about it |
| 12:15.03 | elwisp | thats its there |
| 12:15.07 | elwisp | but it does not have any driver |
| 12:15.25 | gpunk | can we see your dmesg ? |
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| 12:16.10 | elwisp | [ 0.474581] 8139too 0000:05:00.0 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xffffc90000c8e000, 00:18:4d:f0:7b:99, IRQ 19 |
| 12:16.26 | gpunk | and this /sbin/lsmod | grep r8169 |
| 12:16.44 | elwisp | gpunk: that shows nothing |
| 12:16.48 | gpunk | and this /sbin/lsmod | grep r8 |
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| 12:17.04 | elwisp | nothing |
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| 12:17.28 | gpunk | modprobe 8139too ? |
| 12:17.32 | elwisp | :Q |
| 12:17.36 | elwisp | ok |
| 12:18.07 | elwisp | not working |
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| 12:18.12 | gpunk | what do you mean ? |
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| 12:18.44 | elwisp | modprobe says nothing, so i assume it loads it |
| 12:18.51 | elwisp | but still cannot bring up the interface |
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| 12:19.20 | gpunk | what does "ifconfig" show ? |
| 12:19.28 | elwisp | i found the problem |
| 12:19.32 | elwisp | i had r8169 in blacklist |
| 12:19.39 | gpunk | :) |
| 12:20.15 | elwisp | how do i make sure it loads at next reboot? |
| 12:20.30 | gpunk | comment out the balcklisting |
| 12:20.52 | elwisp | cool |
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| 12:21.09 | gpunk | you may have to blacklist 8139too , to not have a conflict |
| 12:21.37 | elwisp | rebooted now, so we will soon find out |
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| 12:24.22 | elwisp | seems to be working now :) |
| 12:24.25 | elwisp | thanks m8 |
| 12:24.48 | gpunk | :) |
| 12:24.52 | elwisp | I have upgraded loads of boxes too jessie |
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| 12:25.00 | elwisp | this one is the first one to fail at anything |
| 12:25.04 | elwisp | i blame realtek tho |
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| 12:28.14 | Vizva | On gnome wayland i hexch and there is a browser in front |
| 12:28.20 | Vizva | hexchat |
| 12:28.37 | Vizva | then i click activities for to get hexchat in front |
| 12:29.03 | Vizva | if hexchat is in front i try click it but always it come the browser in front |
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| 12:29.50 | Vizva | and the wm like Plasma or Gnome are full of bugs like that |
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| 12:30.16 | Vizva | i thnk stretch will get better in future releases |
| 12:30.22 | Vizva | but ... |
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| 12:30.45 | aura | How can i download a package from a system and copy it to another one? |
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| 12:31.38 | hellyeah | there is no libpng16 in repo |
| 12:31.42 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 12:33.54 | gpunk | libpng16-16/stable,now 1.6.28-1 amd64 there is |
| 12:34.23 | Vizva | aptitude search libpng16 |
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| 12:35.47 | Vizva | aura is this a network package? |
| 12:36.25 | hellyeah | https://github.com/facebook/xcbuild |
| 12:36.30 | hellyeah | i try to install this |
| 12:36.34 | hellyeah | ask me for libpng16 |
| 12:36.45 | hellyeah | but there is no package called libpng-16 |
| 12:37.21 | gpunk | maybe the -dev one |
| 12:37.31 | gpunk | you need |
| 12:38.13 | Vizva | apt-get install libpng16-16 |
| 12:38.24 | Vizva | if youre on stretch |
| 12:38.36 | hellyeah | nothing |
| 12:38.37 | aura | yes vizva, wireless firmware |
| 12:38.41 | hellyeah | i am on jessie |
| 12:38.55 | Vizva | aura which one? |
| 12:39.00 | gpunk | hellyeah: and mybe this libpng-dev |
| 12:39.10 | Vizva | aura the installer ask for it? |
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| 12:39.29 | aura | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:39.41 | hellyeah | is it |
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| 12:40.03 | aura | without it wifi won't work |
| 12:40.08 | Vizva | aura you can download if you search in google with your distro |
| 12:40.20 | Vizva | but you dont answer - do the installer ask for it? |
| 12:40.39 | aura | yes but i skipped the step |
| 12:40.49 | Vizva | you could do it again |
| 12:41.06 | Vizva | then download it from the original debian |
| 12:41.16 | Vizva | unpack it on a usb stick |
| 12:41.31 | Vizva | if the installer ask for it you put it in and click yes |
| 12:41.35 | Vizva | then its found |
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| 12:42.51 | aura | i don't know how to unpack it on a usb stick |
| 12:42.55 | Vizva | it could be a little bit difficult because you need to unpack maybe the folder again somewhere inside |
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| 12:43.02 | Vizva | with ark |
| 12:43.08 | aura | ark?! |
| 12:43.12 | Vizva | aura you have another debian? |
| 12:43.46 | aura | yes, i have two partition, one is already working i need to copy the package to the other one |
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| 12:44.19 | Vizva | the partition which is already working have net access? |
| 12:44.29 | aura | yes i'm using it right now |
| 12:44.37 | Vizva | with x? |
| 12:44.48 | aura | x? |
| 12:45.09 | Vizva | like colored windows not down on the console |
| 12:45.21 | Vizva | gnome or kde |
| 12:45.22 | a64 | Hello, did any one try debian 9 on dell xps ? |
| 12:45.25 | Vizva | or xfce |
| 12:45.26 | aura | cinnamon |
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| 12:46.11 | Vizva | https://packages.debian.org/de/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:46.25 | Vizva | here you need that for your architecture |
| 12:46.45 | Vizva | no its for all the same |
| 12:47.40 | aura | i know that Vizva, what i don't know is how to copy and install the package in the second partition |
| 12:47.58 | Vizva | you did download ? |
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| 12:48.45 | Vizva | if you use a installation you shiuld have it outside that partition like on a usb stick |
| 12:49.15 | Vizva | if you finish your installation you can do another way |
| 12:49.58 | Vizva | like mount that partition |
| 12:50.06 | Vizva | and copy it wit cp |
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| 12:50.43 | aura | and what should i run for installing it? |
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| 12:51.26 | hellyeah | how to install ninja |
| 12:51.30 | Vizva | best is do first the step to get it inside or do installtion again if its not very stepped up |
| 12:51.46 | hellyeah | CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Ninja". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. |
| 12:52.23 | aura | is it hard to do it after the installation? |
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| 12:52.53 | Vizva | no but you need to know the command |
| 12:53.04 | Vizva | aptitude search ninja |
| 12:53.16 | aura | and which one is it? |
| 12:53.18 | hellyeah | anyone kknow smt about that |
| 12:53.28 | hellyeah | i alreay installed ninja |
| 12:53.34 | hellyeah | it doesnt solve the problem |
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| 12:54.00 | gpunk | hellyeah: apt install ninja-build |
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| 12:54.16 | gpunk | not apt install ninja |
| 12:54.56 | Vizva | auro go to duckduckgo.com for example |
| 12:54.59 | Vizva | aura |
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| 12:55.37 | Vizva | then search for .dep install debian - and read the pages |
| 12:55.47 | Vizva | .deb |
| 12:56.03 | Vizva | is correct |
| 12:56.04 | Vizva | -p |
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| 13:03.22 | hellyeah | frag |
| 13:04.06 | gpunk | ?? |
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| 13:04.30 | hellyeah | do you know about this error http://dpaste.com/00F0G3K |
| 13:06.07 | gpunk | you may need to install cc++ |
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| 13:07.41 | hellyeah | gcc? |
| 13:07.46 | gpunk | c++ I mean |
| 13:07.48 | gpunk | yes |
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| 13:08.01 | gpunk | what is in /home/hellyeah/xcbuild/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log ? |
| 13:08.14 | hellyeah | i presume those compliers come default |
| 13:08.19 | hellyeah | let me check |
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| 13:09.15 | hellyeah | gpunk: http://dpaste.com/0EZ35KS |
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| 13:10.43 | gpunk | hellyeah: you are on linux debian right ? |
| 13:10.52 | hellyeah | yes |
| 13:10.52 | gpunk | is gcc fully installed ? |
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| 13:11.50 | hellyeah | gcc is installed |
| 13:12.19 | hellyeah | gcc: Installed: 4:4.9.2-2 , |
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| 13:14.12 | geejay | help? |
| 13:15.04 | gpunk | hellyeah: install g++ |
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| 13:15.41 | hellyeah | i will install |
| 13:15.47 | gpunk | i'll be right back |
| 13:17.14 | hellyeah | okey if there is a problem i will share here |
| 13:18.32 | geejay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.41 | hellyeah | error again |
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| 13:24.01 | Vizva | geejay with ifconfig |
| 13:24.43 | gpunk | re |
| 13:24.43 | wb7odyFred | geejay,great question about dns setting. let me think and google |
| 13:24.49 | hellyeah | any help v |
| 13:24.51 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/1EQ2MQN |
| 13:24.56 | Vizva | ifconfig -help |
| 13:25.06 | lord_ | Wulf, this the strace output https://pastebin.com/VspaAL4N |
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| 13:25.23 | gpunk | hellyeah: ok hold on |
| 13:25.42 | geejay | Vizva, ill look into ifconfig-help tks much dude |
| 13:26.13 | Wulf | lord_: just a tiny little part |
| 13:26.14 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 13:26.30 | Wulf | lord_: ls -l /bin/ping |
| 13:26.35 | lord_ | Wulf, it's the whole output |
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| 13:26.44 | Wulf | lord_: no it's not |
| 13:27.14 | gpunk | hellyeah: install libxml++2.6-dev and libxml2-dev |
| 13:27.17 | lord_ | Wulf, it's the stderr, isn't it enough? |
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| 13:27.40 | lord_ | that "operation not permitted" confuses me |
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| 13:28.24 | Vizva | geejay if you read some pages about you can find fast a useful command - after check that help, and you dont get a solution |
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| 13:28.44 | lord_ | bin/ping is -rws--x--x |
| 13:29.15 | Wulf | lord_: try making this 0755 (-rwx-rx-rx) for a test |
| 13:29.42 | lord_ | I think it need a setuid in ordet to work properly |
| 13:29.50 | Wulf | lord_: for a test. |
| 13:29.57 | hellyeah | let me install those |
| 13:30.05 | lord_ | anyway, I tried it yesterday, same result |
| 13:31.19 | wb7odyFred | geejay, ifconfig eth0 down then ifconfig eth0 up should rebuild DNS settings for that interface |
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| 13:32.20 | hellyeah | gpunk: it worked seems |
| 13:32.29 | gpunk | :) |
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| 13:37.57 | wb7odyFred | geejay cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:37.57 | wb7odyFred | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 13:37.57 | wb7odyFred | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 13:37.57 | wb7odyFred | nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
| 13:38.11 | wb7odyFred | geejay, here is debian documentation. https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 13:38.31 | geejay | wb7odyFred, im not trying to rebuild, I just want to change the dns settings perment is what i really want to do |
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| 13:41.24 | wb7odyFred | edit file /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:41.42 | BluesKaj | geejay, is your version using systemd? if so you can set your dns nameserver IPs in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf |
| 13:42.11 | geejay | i know that but when i open it thru the file manager there is content in it. When i open it thu the term under nano it is totally blank. I dont understand that |
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| 13:44.14 | geejay | BluesKaj, i must not be using systemd. I do not have a file like that in /etc |
| 13:44.31 | BluesKaj | geejay,ok |
| 13:45.12 | geejay | i can see what fred post but using the nano command to open the file is totally blank and should not be |
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| 13:45.32 | wb7odyFred | Read https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration for explanations on setting system to use a DNS permanent setting. |
| 13:45.35 | wb7odyFred | when you use the "cat" command to view contents of the file. is it blank or not blank? Maybe you have a difference in lower or upper case. Names are different files. |
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| 13:46.33 | wb7odyFred | and resolverconf and /etc/resolv.conf are not same |
| 13:46.52 | wb7odyFred | man resolved.conf(5) for details. |
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| 13:47.20 | BluesKaj | geejay, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:47.22 | wb7odyFred | man resolved.conf |
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| 13:53.04 | wb7odyFred | after reading /etc/network/interfaces I cat /etc/dhcpcd.conf file and found interface wlan0 static domain_name_servers=8.8.4.4 |
| 13:53.05 | wb7odyFred | man dhcpcd.conf |
| 13:53.30 | wb7odyFred | hope these hints and files to read and man pages to read, help you geejay |
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| 13:56.17 | geejay | i dont even have a file like that "$ cat /etc/dhcpcd.conf cat: /etc/dhcpcd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 13:56.23 | wb7odyFred | BluesKaj, I executed you command and read /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 13:56.54 | dob1 | hi, to install docker I have to install docker ce, using this guide ? https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/linux/docker-ce/debian/ there are no official packages for debian stretch? |
| 13:57.14 | wb7odyFred | does the manpage come up with command "man dhcpcd.conf" |
| 13:57.41 | geejay | let me check |
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| 13:59.22 | geejay | wb7odyFred, no it does not. "man dhcpcd.conf No manual entry for dhcpcd.conf" |
| 13:59.49 | wb7odyFred | two commands. First "uname -a" to see what version of linux you are running. Second "whoami". Thirds "ls -la /etc/dh*" |
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| 14:00.56 | roid | Hi guys |
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| 14:01.23 | wb7odyFred | Morning roid |
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| 14:01.31 | geejay | wb7odyFred, first command of uname -a "Linux david101 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
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| 14:02.27 | geejay | "whoami" is root |
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| 14:03.19 | geejay | third command "ls -la /etc/dh |
| 14:03.19 | geejay | ls: cannot access '/etc/dh'" |
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| 14:04.30 | wb7odyFred | ls -la /etc/dh* |
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| 14:06.18 | geejay | wb7odyFred, i sent that one to ya on a pm |
| 14:06.31 | geejay | got to get a cup of coffee be right back |
| 14:07.01 | wb7odyFred | ok, i will look at pm . thanks |
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| 14:22.43 | aura | Is there a way to manually download a package in the .deb format? |
| 14:22.52 | gpunk | yes |
| 14:23.14 | aura | how gpunk? |
| 14:23.36 | gpunk | firefox ? |
| 14:23.52 | aura | ok done never mind |
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| 14:26.02 | aura | i've another question for you, i still haven't figured out how to set up an external encrypted storage drive |
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| 14:28.07 | gpunk | you are using deian ? |
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| 14:28.32 | aura | debian yes |
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| 14:30.38 | gpunk | https://miguelmenendez.pro/en/articles/encrypt-usb-storage-device-linux-unified-key-setup-luks.html |
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| 14:31.02 | gpunk | you can follow this |
| 14:31.10 | gpunk | I cant type you all the commends here |
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| 14:33.20 | aura | thanks |
| 14:33.28 | gpunk | do you have gnome-disk-utility installed ? |
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| 14:49.38 | dorka1 | hello |
| 14:49.46 | gpunk | dorka1: hi |
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| 14:50.25 | dorka1 | i booted a live CD without mounting any hard disks. however i heard the hard disk doing something a couple of times during boot, and the hdd light also flashed |
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| 14:50.35 | dorka1 | is this normal? |
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| 14:50.55 | gpunk | yes |
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| 14:51.54 | dorka1 | ok :oo |
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| 14:54.18 | dorka1 | just strange :o |
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| 14:55.30 | gpunk | no, that is normal, the kernel scans for installed hardware at bootup |
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| 14:58.15 | Guest37109 | wb7odyFred, i got it fred |
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| 15:01.07 | dorka1 | ok :o |
| 15:01.10 | dorka1 | THanks! :o |
| 15:01.20 | gpunk | :) |
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| 15:06.36 | geejay | wb7odyFred, are u still here? I think i got it now |
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| 15:10.23 | Shmam | Having a problem with apt package manager. When I run sudo apt-get update, I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/983224/. Where do I get these missing GPG keys from? |
| 15:11.32 | themill | Shmam: if that's a Debian box, then don't use PPAs. If that's not a Debian box, then you're asking in the wrong place |
| 15:11.46 | Shmam | is a debian box |
| 15:12.00 | Shmam | why shouldn't I use PPAs? |
| 15:12.20 | themill | Because they are compiled against Ubuntu releases and not Debian. |
| 15:12.28 | themill | They're also full of any old untrusted crap |
| 15:13.13 | drinks2go | they call that making a franken-debian Shmam, it's a bad idea |
| 15:13.19 | Shmam | so how do I remove them? They aren't listed in my sources.list |
| 15:13.27 | themill | they are |
| 15:13.40 | themill | !show sources.list Shmam |
| 15:13.40 | dpkg | Shmam: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 15:14.10 | Shmam | what is sources.list.d? I've just been looking at sources.list |
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| 15:15.19 | geejay | Shmam, look in /etc/apt/souces.list |
| 15:16.00 | Shmam | Sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/983226/ |
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| 15:17.13 | themill | that wasn't what I asked for |
| 15:17.45 | Shmam | http://paste.debian.net/983227/ |
| 15:18.17 | Shmam | That has everything |
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| 15:18.57 | Shmam | so i should just remove all of the PPAs and basically everything that says ubuntu? |
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| 15:26.29 | Shmam | So what is the difference between sources.list and sources.list.d |
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| 15:28.05 | Wulf | one is a file, the other a directory |
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| 15:31.14 | RoyK | Shmam: don't use ubuntu PPAs with debian - it'll probably mess things up |
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| 15:31.53 | RoyK | Shmam: and the .d is just a directory in which to place source list files |
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| 15:33.42 | MrNewbie72 | If i compiled something my self to a deb file where should i install it to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin? |
| 15:34.00 | iodev | MrNewbie72: depends |
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| 15:34.26 | iodev | is your app a core app? |
| 15:35.12 | MrNewbie72 | What do u mean by a core app |
| 15:35.41 | MrNewbie72 | Its just a normal application |
| 15:36.14 | MrNewbie72 | Even if it was a core app is there any difference? |
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| 15:36.23 | spinningCat | how can i solve this error http://dpaste.com/2XEBA11 |
| 15:38.01 | hellyeah | there is g++ in system |
| 15:38.05 | hellyeah | osp |
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| 15:48.29 | gpunk | hellyeah: do locate libpthread.a please |
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| 15:50.53 | gpunk | can you install libc6-dev |
| 15:51.51 | gpunk | sorry install this instead zlib1g-dev |
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| 15:52.18 | gpunk | hellyeah: |
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| 15:57.32 | shtrb | Is there a way (or an idea ) to use a piwall as a display ? |
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| 15:59.42 | gpunk | http://www.piwall.co.uk/faq-revised |
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| 16:01.06 | shtrb | Oh missed it's a payed option , thanks |
| 16:02.14 | shtrb | it suppose to be able to act as vnc client, but I was thinking something on a xorg driver level |
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| 16:02.33 | gpunk | ... |
| 16:03.11 | shtrb | still thank you (thought out loud) |
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| 16:04.48 | gpunk | hardware solutions exists but is a littlebox to buy ... |
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| 16:04.52 | gpunk | like from matrox |
| 16:05.23 | shtrb | instead of piwall or with ? |
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| 16:05.37 | gpunk | instead of it |
| 16:05.52 | shtrb | ah thanks |
| 16:06.43 | gpunk | http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/solutions/video_display_wall/ |
| 16:08.37 | gpunk | but many standard videocards have multiple output now |
| 16:08.47 | gpunk | you can even use more than one videocard |
| 16:09.02 | gpunk | what is stopping you from that ? |
| 16:10.16 | shtrb | can't modify the local machine I'm working on (no extra hardware , waiting for a usb to hdmi port to arrive by mail for I don't know how much time already ) , piwall was very exiting (because I have kind of access to it ) |
| 16:10.42 | shtrb | *DisplayLink |
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| 16:15.13 | gpunk | ok if it s on its way ... then I guess you have to use that |
| 16:15.53 | shtrb | yeh , I kind of sick of waiting so I thought to somehow use it the piwall instead for now |
| 16:16.02 | shtrb | thanks for the point to the payed version |
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| 16:19.12 | gpunk | how many screens do you need ? |
| 16:19.50 | shtrb | 2 |
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| 16:20.15 | gpunk | sorry for the question, how many outputs has the videocard on board ? |
| 16:20.34 | shtrb | 1 |
| 16:20.37 | shtrb | it's ok |
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| 16:21.05 | key | hi |
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| 16:21.15 | shtrb | * I need 2 extra (3 in total) |
| 16:21.21 | beingbrown | so, i have a vm running on a debian host (setup via virsh, for now, if that's relevant) and I want to be able to ssh directly to the vm |
| 16:21.33 | gpunk | key: hi |
| 16:21.39 | gpunk | shtrb: i see |
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| 16:22.05 | beingbrown | obstacles i know of: the vm is dhcp onto the virsh NAT. other than that, is IP tables the right way to go about this? |
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| 16:22.38 | gpunk | beingbrown: can you ping the IP of the VM ? |
| 16:22.57 | beingbrown | once i've started it, yes. and i can ssh in from the host once it's started and been provisioned. |
| 16:23.08 | beingbrown | but it doesn't exist if i'm not logged into the host. |
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| 16:24.04 | gpunk | so you let it run in the backgroud after you logoff ? |
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| 16:25.32 | beingbrown | yes. i log on and start it, and then log off, at the moment. eventually it'll be autostart and all that. but for now i'm just trying to get it all hooked up. |
| 16:26.02 | jmcnaught | beingbrown: are you using virsh with qemu:///system or qemu:///session? |
| 16:27.14 | key | something its a free software programmer?? |
| 16:27.35 | beingbrown | jmcnaught: i don't know--how can i check that? I created it with virt-manager |
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| 16:28.51 | jmcnaught | beingbrown: probably qemu:///system. In virt-manager double click the QEMU/KVM connection and look at the Libvirt URI. Is your host computer connected by ethernet? |
| 16:29.13 | beingbrown | my host computer is connected via wireless. |
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| 16:29.23 | gpunk | ah |
| 16:29.26 | gpunk | got it |
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| 16:29.52 | beingbrown | that was the impetus that caused me to migrate to libvirt |
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| 16:30.08 | beingbrown | i couldn't get networking to work. |
| 16:30.21 | beingbrown | i'm not smart. :X |
| 16:30.59 | jmcnaught | beingbrown: one easy way to make your VMs accessible by other computers on your LAN is to use a bridge interface. Unfortunately it's not as easy to bridge a wireless interface: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC |
| 16:32.42 | beingbrown | yeah. that's the problem i encountered when i was trying to do it. i tried that one and a few others, and couldn't get it to play nice. so now I have the NAT, and I thought somehow I could do port forwarding or something maybe? |
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| 16:35.59 | somiaj | beingbrown: if using libvirt, the nat and the virtual network should be configured by default, and libvirt contains ways to setup the port forwarding for its virtual nat it sets up |
| 16:36.02 | somiaj | virtual net |
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| 16:36.28 | beingbrown | oh. that's exciting. how do i go about finding those ways? |
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| 16:37.10 | somiaj | beingbrown: are you using libvirt? |
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| 16:37.16 | beingbrown | I am. |
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| 16:37.44 | somiaj | https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#NAT_forwarding_.28aka_.22virtual_networks.22.29 |
| 16:37.45 | beingbrown | i have the default NAT network which is working great. |
| 16:38.43 | boodie | Hi (stretch), I had problems with various sites where you have to fill forms in order to process payments using firefox (52.3.0 (64 bit)). I found that chromium works better. Is chromium advisable, as safe / reliable as firefox? |
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| 16:39.17 | somiaj | beingbrown: https://serverfault.com/questions/233760/port-forwarding-from-host-to-guest-with-libvirt-0-8-3-using-kvm-on-ubuntu is a server falut answer to the same question |
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| 16:40.22 | beingbrown | okay. thanks somiaj i'll read these over. |
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| 17:05.11 | gitju_ | Hi |
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| 17:24.21 | DerLGm | told my wife about the origin to the debian name. she thought it was cute. then i toyed with our names to see what our would be. |
| 17:24.48 | DerLGm | turns out our distro would still be named after her. |
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| 17:25.48 | shtrb | :D |
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| 17:29.00 | DerLGm | shtrb: us at deb story(her/me) :) :) at 'our distro' :D :l |
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| 17:31.25 | somiaj | thinks DerLGm should be in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:31.48 | shtrb | somiaj /me |
| 17:32.33 | DerLGm | shtrb: mybad didny know it was a thing |
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| 17:33.13 | somiaj | DerLGm: we try to keep this channel for debian support |
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| 17:33.39 | midas22 | whois midas22 |
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| 17:34.34 | shtrb | midas22 your are missing the slash |
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| 17:36.28 | netzach | hello |
| 17:36.33 | netzach | any hp server users here? |
| 17:36.34 | DerLGm | shtrb: is deb liveboot a separate image or did i make my usb wrong somehow, |
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| 17:37.29 | shtrb | live images are seprate images |
| 17:37.45 | somiaj | DerLGm: how did you put the .iso on the usb? |
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| 17:39.02 | DerLGm | somiaj: unetbootin |
| 17:39.25 | somiaj | That could be your problem, that is known to now work with debian images. |
| 17:40.11 | somiaj | now=not |
| 17:40.22 | somiaj | DerLGm: are you making this image from windows, osx or *nix? |
| 17:41.11 | DerLGm | somiaj: unetbootin on ubuntu 16 |
| 17:41.18 | somiaj | use cp |
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| 17:41.35 | DerLGm | somiaj: simple enough |
| 17:41.37 | somiaj | DerLGm: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb drive, be careful this will destory all data on that drive. |
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| 17:41.59 | paxcoder | Valgrind takes around 200 MB to install? o.O Is that right? |
| 17:42.17 | somiaj | what is valgrind? |
| 17:42.21 | paxcoder | (packets valgrind and valgrind-dbg) |
| 17:42.31 | shtrb | paxcoder one of the best tools to find nice features |
| 17:42.37 | shtrb | *somiaj |
| 17:42.39 | JordiGH | I tried plugging in a USB hard drive, Linux tried to create a /dev/sdb device, something failed, I unplugged the drive, and now /dev/sdb is still there. How do I get rid of it? |
| 17:42.46 | somiaj | paxcoder: apt-cache show packagename, it will show the install size of the package. |
| 17:42.52 | paxcoder | somiaj: a static analysis tool for C. Tells you if you have memory leaks (if you've manually freed everything you had to) |
| 17:42.55 | DerLGm | somiaj: i used one image not thinking twice of whether itd hav liveboot on it |
| 17:43.15 | shtrb | paxcoder ~89 mb |
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| 17:44.15 | somiaj | paxcoder: you could also do apt-get -s install packagename (I belive that will show you install size, it is just a simulation) |
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| 17:45.02 | paxcoder | shtrb: 33MiB+14MiB for valgrind and valgrind-dbg respectively on my machine. |
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| 17:45.08 | JordiGH | Maybe I should just reboot... |
| 17:45.20 | paxcoder | shtrb: maybe those are compressed numbers |
| 17:45.30 | teraflops | paxcoder: maybe you dont want dbg package unless youre going to debug valgrind e.g segfaults |
| 17:45.51 | netzach | hello, any hp server users here? |
| 17:46.07 | paxcoder | teraflops: it was autoselected |
| 17:46.23 | paxcoder | *is |
| 17:46.27 | teraflops | I bet many, why dont you ask your question directly? |
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| 17:47.44 | shtrb | paxcoder , it download 48.3 and unpack 223 (for valgrind , valgrind-dbg ) at my place :) |
| 17:47.59 | paxcoder | that's monstruous |
| 17:48.08 | shtrb | it's nothing :) |
| 17:48.16 | paxcoder | for a cli tool? |
| 17:48.22 | shtrb | you would need some other tools (probably ) |
| 17:48.24 | teraflops | nah, monstrous is 2GB :P |
| 17:48.39 | shtrb | paxcoder , I think FF plugins were over 1 GB |
| 17:49.27 | paxcoder | shtrb: I'm not surprised anything to do with a GUI is big. |
| 17:49.41 | shtrb | :) |
| 17:49.58 | teraflops | paxcoder: your argumentation looks incorrect to me |
| 17:49.59 | paxcoder | But this has no dependencies. Just two CLI packages. 200megs. Makes no sense to me, asked in #valgrind |
| 17:50.09 | shtrb | valgrind is very nice , if you don't care about non free stuff check Visual Studio's SAL |
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| 17:50.17 | paxcoder | shtrb: i do care |
| 17:50.32 | teraflops | why being GUI means big and bloated and being CLI the other way around? |
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| 17:51.19 | paxcoder | teraflops: GUIs have lots of layers and dependencies. Characters are cheap. |
| 17:51.43 | teraflops | it can be the same same for CLI |
| 17:51.47 | paxcoder | Valgrind doesn't even have a TUI afaik |
| 17:52.14 | teraflops | anyway just saying, not that I want to start a flame war about CLI vs GUI |
| 17:52.23 | paxcoder | teraflops: yeah, maybe for Java apps or something. This is a C-compiled binary (I reckon) |
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| 17:53.36 | tw | valgrind includes static analysis tools? |
| 17:53.44 | teraflops | paxcoder: but I prefer CLI too ;) |
| 17:53.56 | paxcoder | tw: what valgrind does is static analysis |
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| 17:54.15 | paxcoder | teraflops: didn't say I do ;P |
| 17:54.16 | tw | Does it require execution? If so, it's dynamic analysis. |
| 17:54.28 | tw | static analysis = source code only. |
| 17:54.37 | paxcoder | hmm |
| 17:54.56 | paxcoder | I don't think it does |
| 17:55.33 | paxcoder | But I am a forgetful person, and still debating whether to give it 200MiB |
| 17:56.06 | tw | in the grand scheme of things, 200MB on a development system should not be cause for concern. |
| 17:56.12 | teraflops | shrugs |
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| 17:56.29 | teraflops | shrugs at paxcoder ^ |
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| 17:56.51 | paxcoder | "Valgrind is an instrumentation framework for building dynamic analysis tool" |
| 17:57.04 | paxcoder | tw: I guess I'm wrong then |
| 17:57.31 | paxcoder | s/tool"/tools"/ |
| 17:57.36 | netzach | anyone please? |
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| 17:58.24 | paxcoder | netzach: why don't you ask the question? |
| 17:58.54 | teraflops | paxcoder: to be honest go try it out, there's no point on asking us about your concerns on wasting 200MB of disk space |
| 17:59.08 | netzach | I want to know if anyone familiar with hp tools for raid management knows if it's normal for the utility to tkae a long time to respond when a logical drive is in failed mode |
| 17:59.11 | paxcoder | presses y with a sigh |
| 17:59.25 | netzach | furthermore if a logical drive is in failed mode, linux tries periodically to spin up the drive and read the parition table |
| 17:59.35 | netzach | which spams dmesg and I think hangs the system |
| 17:59.44 | teraflops | paxcoder: :P |
| 17:59.45 | netzach | I never even mounted the disk but for some reason linux does this |
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| 18:02.57 | paxcoder | tw: yeah, it's definitely dynamic. It was blind to everything due to an early exit |
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| 18:06.30 | paxcoder | shtrb: my bad, it's not static |
| 18:08.06 | netzach | IS there a way to remove a disk logically? even if it is physically presented? |
| 18:08.15 | netzach | say I have /dev/sda, can I just tell linux pretend it's been removed? |
| 18:09.43 | tw | netzach: like echo '1' > /sys/block/sda/device/delete ? |
| 18:11.21 | netzach | I have no idea what that does, might be that? |
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| 18:12.00 | netzach | does this owrk udisksctl poweroff -b |
| 18:12.02 | netzach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.02 | netzach | ? |
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| 18:12.06 | netzach | was told in ##linux |
| 18:13.18 | tw | probably does something similar through more layers. Mine only tells the kernel what to do. |
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| 18:15.52 | shtrb | paxcoder , there are some FOSS tools for static analisys but I'm with the wrong side here (on Visual Studio) |
| 18:15.58 | precise_ | Hey guys, I just upgraded from a fresh install of Jessie to Stretch. I'm running LVM on top of encryption. On every boot, shortly before prompting for my encryption key, I get the error "WARNING: ailed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." I enter my key and I'm still able to boot though. Anyone ever seen this? |
| 18:16.31 | tw | shtrb: VS static analyzer is clang-static iirc. |
| 18:16.47 | precise_ | Also, since upgrading (and I think this is related) bootup times on this laptop have doubled. |
| 18:16.48 | shtrb | tw , [citation needed] |
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| 18:17.22 | shtrb | tw , clang is what I was about to suggest to him |
| 18:17.56 | shtrb | clang is great , and VS static analisys is just too bad for being based on clang |
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| 18:18.47 | tw | Oh, my mistake, VS includes clang-static if you are using clang as the compiler, it also has VC++ Analyzer. |
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| 18:19.17 | shtrb | tw , I thought you are talking about the open source compiler (Visual Code) and not Visual Studio |
| 18:19.51 | shtrb | also the SAL and and analyzer are C (for c++ you have language guidelines) |
| 18:20.38 | shtrb | and GSL was built for clang already (should work out of the box ) |
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| 18:21.30 | Maid-Chan | does anyonne know why when using thunar on xming none of the icons appear? |
| 18:22.02 | tw | Maid-Chan: is your xming running without a root window? |
| 18:22.12 | tw | (not that this is on-topic for #debian) |
| 18:22.25 | shtrb | tw , xming is offtopic ? |
| 18:22.28 | Maid-Chan | the root window is hidden |
| 18:22.33 | shtrb | or clang and GSL ? |
| 18:22.47 | tw | xming is windows. |
| 18:22.49 | Maid-Chan | seeemed on topic to me since i'm controlling my debian with xming. sorry |
| 18:23.13 | shtrb | Maid-Chan win10 ? |
| 18:23.14 | tw | Maid-Chan: It draws the icons to the root window. If you are hiding it, the surface is gone and it can't draw the icons. |
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| 18:24.31 | Maid-Chan | no change |
| 18:24.37 | Maid-Chan | yes win10 |
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| 18:26.58 | precise_ | Noob question: Fresh install of Debian Stretch, doesn't FireFox come by default? I'm seeing conflicting reports about this. |
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| 18:27.08 | precise_ | I've got IceWeasle, but no FireFox. |
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| 18:27.39 | coruja | precise_, firefox-esr |
| 18:27.52 | precise_ | coruja: That's in repo's but not installed by default? |
| 18:28.18 | kappa_ | hi all, would you have a good tutorial for an ejbca install with the ocsp ? |
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| 18:28.27 | coruja | precise_, i guess that depends on which task you have installed |
| 18:28.45 | precise_ | coruja: Which task? I don't understand. |
| 18:29.21 | coruja | you have been asked during installation which 'package groups' (e.g. desktop) you wanted to be installed |
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| 18:29.53 | precise_ | coruja: Oh I see, different word for desktop environment. |
| 18:29.55 | coruja | these package groups are called tasks in debian |
| 18:30.22 | precise_ | The default option, the Debian desktop environment is what I selected. Would Gnome, KDE, or others come with firefox, etc.? |
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| 18:30.45 | shtrb | wtf xming is no longer freely shiped ?! |
| 18:31.08 | precise_ | coruja: I understand now, thank you very much. :) |
| 18:31.19 | shtrb | Maid-Chan, was about to test on win10 but I can get the most recent version (needs username/pwd) |
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| 18:32.06 | jmcnaught | precise_: which ISO image did you use to install Debian 9? Iceweasel was rebranded back to Firefox before stretch was released |
| 18:32.16 | Maid-Chan | i got xming free |
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| 18:32.22 | shtrb | 7.7.0.21 ? |
| 18:32.38 | Maid-Chan | ohh 6.9 |
| 18:32.39 | precise_ | jmcnaught: So I actually did an in place upgrade from Jessie to Stretch |
| 18:32.52 | Maid-Chan | i just went to the forge if i recall. |
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| 18:33.40 | precise_ | jmcnaught: you see, my current install broke (don't ask, IDK). So I only had a Jessie live USB and no computer to create a new one. So unless I took some extreme measures like making a new bootable USB at a friends house (lol friends), I had to install Jessie and do an in-place upgrade to get Stretch |
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| 18:34.27 | shtrb | Maid-Chan, the 2007 version ? |
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| 18:34.34 | jmcnaught | precise_: iceweasel was also rebranded to firefox on jessie. Maybe you installed without networking, and then did a partial upgrade from jessie to stretch? |
| 18:34.38 | Maid-Chan | looks like it. |
| 18:35.05 | teraflops | precise_: if you install barebones the dist-upgrate is pretty fast |
| 18:35.15 | precise_ | jmcnaught: Maybe...? I installed Jessie at 1AM EST after the Mayweather v McGregor fight so... :P |
| 18:35.38 | precise_ | teraflops: The actual upgrade took a few hours, I'm on a 4th gen i7 w/ a SSD and 8GB RAM |
| 18:35.40 | teraflops | but if you install a full DE and then you dist upgrade it looks like a waste of time |
| 18:35.56 | teraflops | precise_: I dont get why you did it that way |
| 18:36.09 | precise_ | Because I didn't know any other way |
| 18:36.12 | precise_ | Hence I'm here |
| 18:36.12 | precise_ | ;) |
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| 18:36.28 | jmcnaught | precise_: what does 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' say? |
| 18:37.11 | coruja | precise_, update-alternatives --display x-www-browser |
| 18:37.27 | jmcnaught | precise_: that package is transitional, and should simply depend on firefox-esr, which should also be installed |
| 18:37.34 | precise_ | coruja: What does that do? |
| 18:37.53 | precise_ | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/heY4sai1 |
| 18:38.20 | coruja | precise_, that shows browsers which are managed by debian's alternatives system |
| 18:38.24 | precise_ | jmcnaught: FYI I did just install firefox-esr |
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| 18:39.31 | jmcnaught | precise_: and it still shows up in your menu as iceweasel instead of firefox? |
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| 18:39.56 | precise_ | coruja: https://pastebin.com/QxS8ye9B |
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| 18:40.40 | coruja | so only firefox-esr installed |
| 18:40.56 | precise_ | jmcnaught: When I search in the activities pane for iceweasle it shows up, when I searched for firefox before I actually manually installed firefox, it wasn't there. |
| 18:41.22 | precise_ | Now both iceweasle and firefox are there. |
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| 18:47.35 | jmcnaught | precise_: without knowing more it sounds likes a partial upgrade from jessie to stretch |
| 18:48.33 | precise_ | jmcnaught: > cat /etc/issue shows Debian GNU/Linux 9 |
| 18:48.42 | precise_ | How else can I check? |
| 18:48.52 | precise_ | All my repo's in /etc/apt/sources.list are stretch |
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| 18:49.48 | coruja | precise_, apt list --installed | grep deb8 |
| 18:49.51 | jmcnaught | looking at the script transcript from your upgrade? |
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| 18:50.51 | precise_ | jmcnaught: Pardon? |
| 18:51.08 | precise_ | coruja: :/ https://pastebin.com/Rw97C6Eq |
| 18:52.00 | coruja | so some jessie cruft left |
| 18:52.26 | coruja | did you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade' actually? |
| 18:52.43 | precise_ | update > upgrade > dist-upgrade |
| 18:52.46 | precise_ | in that order |
| 18:52.56 | jmcnaught | precise_: from the release notes upgrade instructions: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session |
| 18:53.23 | precise_ | jmcnaught: I did not do that, no... |
| 18:53.24 | precise_ | :/ |
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| 18:54.22 | teraflops | precise_: I know it is too late, but next time you install debian for just doing dist-upgrade install minimal system |
| 18:54.39 | precise_ | teraflops: noted lol |
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| 19:01.08 | netzach | tw: can I undelete it? |
| 19:01.15 | netzach | tw: is it possible instead of deleting it to just simulate a delete? |
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| 19:02.28 | tw | netzach: I think you can rescan the bus. I don't remember the command for that offhand. |
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| 19:03.22 | netzach | I see I will try that then |
| 19:03.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell netzach about scsi rescan |
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| 19:10.04 | shtrb | Maid-Chan , no xming for me, tried the 2007 version and got a good old BSOD , sorry |
| 19:10.48 | somiaj | shtrb: mobaxterm |
| 19:11.24 | gunix | did anybody here try debian on i7 caby lake 7820HQ or similar procs? |
| 19:11.25 | shtrb | somiaj , what ? |
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| 19:11.44 | shtrb | gunix I have i7 but slightly older than that |
| 19:11.54 | gunix | shtrb: yea, i know it's great on older hardware. |
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| 19:12.12 | gunix | i want to know if it's as great on very new hardware, cause the kernel is a bit old on deb... |
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| 19:12.24 | gunix | and i need a really stable distro on some new hardware |
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| 19:13.10 | shtrb | I have the 7500U , with debian |
| 19:13.57 | somiaj | shtrb: maybe I missed who you were takling to about xming, but mobaxterm is a very nice ssh client/X forwarder. |
| 19:14.24 | coruja | gunix, you can install more recent kernels from stable backports |
| 19:14.33 | shtrb | somiaj , with Maid-Chan he had a specific issue with xming and debian , but I couldn't even run it (got BSOD) |
| 19:14.42 | gunix | coruja: i thought about that. |
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| 19:15.11 | Maid-Chan | if another xserver would work i'm open to recomendations. :P |
| 19:15.15 | somiaj | gunix: the kernel isn't that old, stretch released with the 4.9 kernel and that suppots lots of hardware. Debian also provides newer kernels via backports if your hardware is supported on a newer kernel than 4.9 |
| 19:15.17 | gunix | coruja: i am still confused about backports. how well do all the libraries go along with a new kernel, since everything is tested for 4.9.33 |
| 19:15.49 | somiaj | Maid-Chan: I like mobaxterm over say putty + xming or some other tool. It will look like an ssh terminal, but you can launch gui apps from it once you are sshed into the server. |
| 19:16.31 | shtrb | somiaj , does it work on win10 ? |
| 19:16.31 | gunix | somiaj: debian is using the latest long term support kernel, which is 4.9. so it is using a very new kernel. however, this kernel reached already update 45, which has fixes for new hardware. debian is still on version 30... |
| 19:16.41 | somiaj | gunix: the backports are compiled against the libaries in stable, and for the kernel this isn't a big deal. Some hardware (like gpu's that need other things besides the kernel for opengl (such as mesa) ) may not be fully supported in the backport. |
| 19:16.43 | Maid-Chan | handy. do you know if thunar draws the icons? i almost get the impression that my client needs to have the icons installed which i don't think you can do on windows though. |
| 19:17.24 | somiaj | gunix: debian does update the 4.9 branch of the kernel, os if there is hardware support backported to it, it will make it into debian stable. But the updates only happen during point release or security issues. |
| 19:17.54 | gunix | somiaj: do you know when the next point release will be? |
| 19:17.56 | somiaj | Maid-Chan: I haven't used it that much and that really isn't on support here, but I find mobaxterm nicer than xming. |
| 19:18.18 | somiaj | gunix: no real time line, but they usually happen like 2-4 months or something. |
| 19:18.42 | gunix | somiaj: so should i expect a new version in the next point release? closer to 4.9.40 ? |
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| 19:19.07 | somiaj | gunix: eventually, you can also keep an eye on stretch-prorposed-updates to see if one is there. |
| 19:19.12 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 19:19.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 19:19.14 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 19:19.34 | gunix | ahaha buster kernel is newer than sid |
| 19:19.55 | gunix | no wait its the same |
| 19:20.00 | somiaj | gunix: they are the same, you are reading that wrong. buster and sid are both at 4.12.6 |
| 19:20.12 | gunix | ^ that |
| 19:20.47 | somiaj | 4.11 is in stretch backports, that didn't list stretch-prposed-updates, but debian does add changes to the stable 4.9 branch to the kernel over time, but while waiting for a point release, only security fixes. |
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| 19:24.30 | somiaj | gunix: I didn't see anything in stretch-proposed-updates, might just have to wait for the next point release. |
| 19:24.36 | somiaj | or use the backported kernel |
| 19:24.59 | gunix | somiaj: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3173618/linux/kaby-lake-is-unleashed-with-kernel-410.html |
| 19:25.08 | gunix | i will read this and see if i can pick any relevant info of it |
| 19:25.34 | gunix | the point of having debian is having a stable release that gets everything out of hardware and never crashes, and doesn't require frequent reboots and also provides stability |
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| 19:26.13 | somiaj | backport kernels work well in many cases and the kernel can be upgraded without cuasing that many stability issues with the rest of the system. |
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| 19:26.42 | somiaj | biggest draw back to the backported kernels is lack of security support, but if your hardware needs 4.10 or newer (kaby-lake I think requires that), you'll need to use the backported kernel on that hardware |
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| 19:29.24 | gunix | somiaj: i will read the patch notes on 4.9. maybe they patched it for kaby lake |
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| 19:30.13 | somiaj | I haven't seen gpu support backported like that in the past, mostly I see bug fixes and new network hardware in the stable kernel updates. Though they might. |
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| 19:35.05 | gunix | somiaj: the gpu on the laptop will be m1200m. that is so bad that i don't even need to think about it. i will shut it off from the start, no matter what distro i go for. |
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| 19:36.48 | gunix | regarding GPUs, my desktop has 970 gtx and it works incredbly well on debian, ubuntu and archlinux...deb and ubuntu are mostly the same (375)... ubuntu feels a lot like buster tbh. and deb feels a lot like ubuntu 16, just with stable packages, a bit more mature as a system and no strange ubuntu style stuff like unity. but anyway, both work great it the 970 and skylake proc |
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| 19:38.30 | _ssl | Hi, I'm trying to configure my fstab file, but I don't want to specify the filesystem type. mount doesn't need it, so how do I tell fstab to let mount guess it? I still want to be able to specify options though, thus I cannot just omit the rest of the line |
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| 19:43.52 | Quatroking | is it possible to downgrade from stretchy to jessie? |
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| 19:44.07 | n4dir | Quatroking: no. |
| 19:44.15 | Breh | Copy file with a graphical file manager broke links ? |
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| 19:44.18 | Quatroking | Well, crap. |
| 19:45.02 | Quatroking | Since upgrading my virtual debian server it has been frequently freezing up because according to esxi the OS disables the CPU |
| 19:45.11 | Quatroking | this has been happening since I upgraded a week ago |
| 19:46.08 | n4dir | _ssl: the web says "auto" |
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| 19:48.34 | _ssl | n4dir I searched around a little before coming here, but couldn't find anything. I'll try that, thanks |
| 19:49.02 | Quatroking | I already asked about it on #vmware but that channel is as dead as a snail in a saltmine |
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| 19:51.42 | n4dir | _ssl: yeah, give it a try. I sure don't know. Here is the link, btw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab |
| 19:52.29 | _ssl | n4dir thank you |
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| 19:59.49 | bolt | can anyone recommend a method of detecting whether a virtual debian machine in a shared hosting center has its clock skipping ahead and experiencing short freezes of around 1 second? suspecting the host we've been given is overloaded |
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| 20:06.24 | GNU\colossus | bolt, maybe https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/pgtesttiming.html can help with that |
| 20:06.45 | GNU\colossus | also, you may want to look at "steal" CPU time |
| 20:06.58 | GNU\colossus | (in top(1) and friends) |
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| 20:07.24 | Quatroking | okay so I found the cause of my problem where the VM kills itself |
| 20:07.41 | Quatroking | I just booted it up in a 3.* kernel instead of 4.* kernel and everything works fine and dandy |
| 20:08.03 | bolt | GNU\colossus: awesome. thanks |
| 20:08.06 | Quatroking | is it possible that during the upgrade it somehow did something wrong and the 4.* kernel I got is broken? |
| 20:08.22 | Quatroking | (I don't know the exact numbers) |
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| 20:09.24 | n4dir | Quatroking: if something goes south you usually get informed about it. I would say: no, rather not. You might try "apt-get check". |
| 20:09.49 | Quatroking | that's the thing, the VM freezes up so hard that it doesn't even log it |
| 20:10.12 | Quatroking | literally the only piece of info I have is the esxi event log where it tells me that the VM has shut down its CPU and requires a reboot |
| 20:11.00 | Quatroking | vmware has pretty much no info on this event available so I'm drawing straws here, though I did find some stuff on the internet blaming it on kernel panics |
| 20:11.31 | Quatroking | apt-get check doesn't show any errors |
| 20:12.05 | n4dir | like said: as far i can tell if something goes wrong you usually get the info (and usually means always). |
| 20:13.27 | n4dir | so i doubt that is the source of your problem |
| 20:15.23 | Quatroking | "perf: interrupt took too long (6498 > 6463), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 30750" is the last thing to appear in /log/messages before freezing up |
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| 20:16.20 | Quatroking | same message shows up at other freezes too so I guess it's related, it's also repeated multiple times after each other |
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| 20:16.26 | Quatroking | I have no idea what the message means |
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| 20:17.48 | somiaj | gunix: on debian were you using nouveau or nvidia non-free driver? |
| 20:18.04 | gunix | somiaj: nvidia non-free |
| 20:18.10 | gunix | somiaj: worked well with steam games |
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| 20:21.22 | somiaj | gunix: I like debian because you can start with a minimial system and install/cofnigure the software you want to use and it just works. |
| 20:21.44 | somiaj | gunix: I thought you were saying that debian felt like its gpu wasn't preforming as well compared to ubuntu, I just missread what yous aid. |
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| 20:23.07 | gunix | somiaj: no, the performance is just the same |
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| 20:29.11 | gunix | somiaj: the problems the 4.9 kernel had with kaby lake got fixed in february: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?h=linux-4.9.y&id=a6b1dc61bcf45fbc03a2e62f007cd36410e5 |
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| 20:30.31 | kryl | hi, how to get the actual version of an installed package please ? |
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| 20:33.01 | n4dir | kryl: in debian stable you will only get the version which is to be found in debian stable. You can have a look if a newer version is to be found in debian backports. |
| 20:33.15 | n4dir | if you want a newer version than that, you will have to backport it yourself |
| 20:33.23 | kryl | n4dir, dpkg-query -l package |
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| 20:34.11 | n4dir | So your question was which version of the package is installed? |
| 20:34.31 | kryl | yes excuse my english |
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| 20:34.48 | n4dir | yeah, no problem. |
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| 20:34.53 | raktajino | kryl: apt-cache policy package |
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| 20:36.17 | kryl | raktajino, thank you ;) |
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| 20:38.33 | [itchyjunk] | hello, i have a liveCD bootable. on the laptop i am using it on, i cant see the wifi list :s |
| 20:38.41 | raktajino | Np and also your English is just fine |
| 20:39.08 | [itchyjunk] | i went to the network settings and only see option for wired |
| 20:39.10 | n4dir | yeah, i guess the misunderstanding was on my side. |
| 20:39.57 | kryl | :-) that's fine thank you both of you |
| 20:40.13 | gunix | somiaj: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/ChangeLog-4.9.10 changelog for kernel 4.9.10, last change is realted to the kaby lake. this is nice. deb is already on 4.9.30 so no probs |
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| 20:54.09 | [itchyjunk] | im having a hard time figuring wifi out :s i ran a /sbin/iwconfig and got this https://pastebin.com/FW5KSrZ0 |
| 20:54.12 | [itchyjunk] | any ideas? |
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| 20:54.57 | towo` | prpably your live cd is missing the needed firmware for the wireless chipset |
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| 21:00.02 | [itchyjunk] | towo`: ahh |
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| 21:15.04 | Mahe | Hello! I replaced gdm3 with lxdm to boot up xfce. I also use plymouth to display a bootscreen ("splash" kernel parameter). After switching to lxdm, my system boots up to tty1 but lxdm starts on tty7, so I have to ctrl+alt+F7 after every bootup. Either disabling the plymouth splash or using another DM instead of lxdm fixes this. Any idea how to boot to tty7 directly with the plymouth splash + lxdm combination? |
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| 21:17.24 | Mahe | I tried forcing lxdm to use tty1 (as gdm3 does) but that did lead to the device locking up with a black screen after lxdm screen. |
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| 21:19.22 | D3stiny_ | Hi_ |
| 21:19.35 | D3stiny_ | Anyone here? |
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| 21:19.45 | n4dir | !ask |
| 21:19.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:25.00 | aaron | hey folks |
| 21:25.02 | aaron | whats up |
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| 21:25.13 | aaron | all debian boxes up and running |
| 21:25.44 | Guest36769 | mine is offline right now, i have locked me out do to a stupid terminal emulator that closed everything and not just the cat session by pressing ctrl+d |
| 21:25.47 | Guest36769 | how bad |
| 21:26.03 | Guest36769 | o how should i call me now then? |
| 21:26.36 | Guest36769 | lets see |
| 21:27.03 | technicalaaron | thats bad, freenode is all about tech i asume |
| 21:27.25 | NordicAaron | thats nice isnt it? |
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| 21:27.58 | NordicAaron | blames himself for haven't upgraded to debian 9 yet, but still is to lazy for doing it... |
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| 21:30.29 | NordicAaron | locked out: |
| 21:30.30 | NordicAaron | <NordicAaron> have you ever accomplished such a problem? |
| 21:30.30 | NordicAaron | <NordicAaron> now i have to take again 100km of way to fix that |
| 21:30.30 | NordicAaron | <NordicAaron> so remember folks, just wait some time until you do a sshd restart... |
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| 21:33.26 | dngpph | hey! gnome DM won't start after reboot. startx gives error https://pastebin.com/21NrVqz9 as normal user, as root is ok. What's wrong? |
| 21:33.28 | heap_ | hi, can i somehow get rid of the dirs if i run rsync ... and looking for changes only on file level not dir one |
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| 21:34.38 | n4dir | heap_: from the top of my head: --exclude or such. |
| 21:35.18 | heap_ | well not .. i mean rsync is tracking even changes on dirs... if timestamp or something of dir got changed... but i dont care about that; i care only to see new files if there are any |
| 21:35.50 | n4dir | can't say that i really understand the dir file thing. I for one wouldn't mind (if there are changes, rsycn them). |
| 21:36.13 | n4dir | i can't see how directories should get changed. |
| 21:36.20 | heap_ | timestamp? |
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| 21:36.58 | n4dir | so, the dir will get synced. the files won't be, because they didn't change. What would it matter? |
| 21:37.08 | heap_ | i need to compare something |
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| 21:37.12 | heap_ | i dont want make a sync |
| 21:37.20 | heap_ | i need to compare dir A agains B |
| 21:37.40 | heap_ | so need to get results while running rsync --dry-run .. .and then decide and maually merge.. if needed |
| 21:38.02 | heap_ | but too many dirs.. so i need to get rid of them from the output .. if only timestamp on them got changed and no files... |
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| 21:41.17 | NordicAaron | dngpph, its not related to an x error but to an xsession error |
| 21:41.29 | NordicAaron | so your xorg logs will not show anything |
| 21:41.32 | NordicAaron | maybe post a |
| 21:41.33 | NordicAaron | ... |
| 21:41.55 | NordicAaron | tail -n 3000 ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:41.59 | NordicAaron | or so and we can see |
| 21:42.07 | NordicAaron | or just run the program from console... |
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| 21:42.12 | n4dir | well heap_ : once i created directories their timestamp never changed for me. So i got no clue |
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| 21:42.42 | n4dir | not sure if "diff -r" might be of help |
| 21:42.44 | beingbrown | okay. i've tried this port forwarding thing, and have had no luck. here's what I'm trying to do |
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| 21:43.14 | NordicAaron | n4dir, directorys are files after all |
| 21:43.17 | n4dir | the channel of #rsync probably is silent, but might be worth a try |
| 21:43.31 | dngpph | https://pastebin.com/X31Eq2av |
| 21:43.38 | beingbrown | I have a xen box running a guest--I'd like to be able to ssh directly into the guest from a remote machine, the same way that I ssh into the host. currently, i can successfully ssh into the guest from the host, so my process ssh into the host then ssh into the guest from there. |
| 21:43.45 | NordicAaron | so if you create a file in a directory, rename it or delete it youll edit the directory... |
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| 21:43.53 | NordicAaron | thats basic unix knowledge |
| 21:44.02 | NordicAaron | but wtf dont you want it to sync then |
| 21:44.15 | beingbrown | i've followed https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#NAT_forwarding_.28aka_.22virtual_networks.22.29 without success, as well as https://serverfault.com/questions/233760/port-forwarding-from-host-to-guest-with-libvirt-0-8-3-using-kvm-on-ubuntu |
| 21:44.16 | NordicAaron | i mean to less sync bad to much sync, whatever problems do you have? |
| 21:44.48 | beingbrown | I don't know if the hook is run, but libvirt logs do confirm it is being found. |
| 21:46.43 | n4dir | I would assume that if a directory got changed (say timestamp), but no files changed, then rsync -u will rsync the new timestamp of the folder, but none of the files inside that folder (cause they didn't change). |
| 21:47.39 | n4dir | if you rename a folder, then obviously the complete renamed folder will be rsynced. |
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| 21:48.39 | SeedEveryDay | QUESTION! |
| 21:48.46 | SeedEveryDay | Anyone here know of a tool to help manage multiple machines |
| 21:48.51 | SeedEveryDay | IE: keep their configs in line |
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| 21:49.48 | n4dir | SeedEveryDay: i heard of puppet now and then, but don't know it myself |
| 21:49.59 | beingbrown | SeedEveryDay: ansible is easy to pick up |
| 21:50.11 | beingbrown | it's what I use. |
| 21:50.21 | NordicAaron | dngpph, you shouldnt do xsessions as root at all |
| 21:50.38 | SeedEveryDay | ty n4dir beingbrown |
| 21:50.39 | beingbrown | doesn't rely on the target boxes having any client type software |
| 21:50.50 | SeedEveryDay | I'm also trying to figure out how to backup my configs |
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| 21:51.06 | NordicAaron | its much to dangerous, if you want to test something like this, create become root in bash or so, create a user, test what you want to test with it, delete it after you have got your intel |
| 21:51.47 | n4dir | SeedEveryDay: i use rsync for such (rather: used). |
| 21:52.06 | NordicAaron | and if your xsession manager has a setting to dont allow root logins, switch it off if some moron has fiddled with it and leave it so |
| 21:52.13 | Epakai | SeedEveryDay: yadm (git based, has an alternates feature to enable different files for machines/classes of machines) |
| 21:52.59 | beingbrown | SeedEveryDay: i've recently started using etckeeper |
| 21:53.08 | dngpph | NordicAaron: but only as root is OK. I run as root just for test. |
| 21:53.38 | NordicAaron | also dngpph if i remember right you had a problem with your work user and not the root user, so i guess the xsessions errors form the user where it is working cant help you to figgure out whats going wrong... |
| 21:53.58 | NordicAaron | dngpph, so you have tryed x normal users or just one?? |
| 21:54.57 | NordicAaron | dngpph, i would kindly suggest you to have a deep look into the debian handbook (apt-cache show debian-handbook |
| 21:54.58 | NordicAaron | ) and then youll probably be able to fix the problem yourself ;) |
| 21:55.45 | NordicAaron | WHY DOSE NOBODY READS HANDBOOKS THESE DAYS??? |
| 21:55.52 | finlstrm | @SeedEveryDay a combo of git and ansible has been good for me |
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| 21:56.44 | FinalX | ...there's a handbook? |
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| 21:57.09 | SeedEveryDay | I'm trying to figure out how to maintain my server without loosing my mind :> |
| 21:57.17 | SeedEveryDay | So I'm setting up logrotate |
| 21:57.21 | SeedEveryDay | Hardening wordpress |
| 21:57.27 | SeedEveryDay | Setting up regular backups |
| 21:58.00 | FinalX | don't harden your wordpress, it'll be remotely maintained, no need for backups then either! |
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| 21:58.41 | SeedEveryDay | Wordpress is very hands on security wise |
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| 22:05.51 | n4dir | dngpph: check if a hidden file in the users home directory is owned by root, for example .Xauthority |
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| 22:07.52 | NordicAaron | 's overthinking his beh. |
| 22:08.07 | NordicAaron | clears his throat... |
| 22:08.23 | NordicAaron | dngpph, but until you have done it i am ready to help you... |
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| 22:09.18 | NordicAaron | so, where where we, whats about a pasting of the xsession errors log file from the user with the file manager problem? |
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| 22:13.10 | psychoticwarrior | whats up |
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| 22:33.12 | tymczenko | how can I install gnome 3.24 ? |
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| 22:33.46 | psychoticwarrior | hey whats goin gon |
| 22:34.10 | annadane | psychoticwarrior, if you have a question just ask, otherwise this isn't a chat channel |
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| 22:34.47 | psychoticwarrior | ok |
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| 22:37.38 | somiaj | tymczenko: in debian, you should stick with the version of gnome that comes with the debian release. It is a very large collection of packages, and isn't that easy to install versions different than the one that is provided. |
| 22:38.18 | tymczenko | somiaj, what if just only upgrade gnome-shell? |
| 22:38.48 | FinalX | there's not really a "just" when it comes to gnome tbh |
| 22:38.52 | somiaj | tymczenko: you would want to backport it, it would require complinig and installing a local copy and may not work with the other gnome parts with out some work. |
| 22:38.59 | tymczenko | FinalX, :D |
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| 22:40.22 | tymczenko | somiaj, OK, I'll drag the dull burden of using outdated software) |
| 22:40.34 | tymczenko | thanks, guys! |
| 22:40.40 | n4dir | tymczenko: or choose a different distribution of linux. |
| 22:41.28 | tymczenko | n4dir, like "sid"? or you're talking about non-debian distros? |
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| 22:41.57 | somiaj | tymczenko: a frozen system has lots of advantages. All software in debian is known to work well together, and things won't change on you just because you do an upgrade. But it is a give take, other distros provide a different experience. |
| 22:42.20 | n4dir | sid would be a good choice, imho, though it doesn't seem to have the version of gnome you are looking for neither. I meant a different distro. If you are always looking for the lates versions, debian might not be the best choice |
| 22:43.03 | annadane | but be careful recommending sid, it's not for everyone |
| 22:43.07 | abrotman | n4dir: "good choice" is highly subjective, and unless you already know why it's called unstable, don't use it |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | nor recommend it |
| 22:44.14 | n4dir | annadane: abrotman . Sure, i didn't say what i wanted to say. (I wanted to say: if i only had the choice to use a different distro or sid, cause i really desperately need the newest version, then i would choose sid) |
| 22:44.28 | n4dir | but first of all i would consider if my value system is a good one |
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| 22:45.55 | tymczenko | n4dir, I think I'll stay with Debian because I'm so accustomed to the ecosystem of .deb programs |
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| 22:47.42 | n4dir | tymczenko: my point: Debian is the way that it is, with all it's advantages. Always the newest version isn't one of it's advantages (for what reason ever people care for that). |
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| 22:48.53 | n4dir | https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 22:49.13 | tymczenko | ok |
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| 22:50.10 | rjdp9736 | I am using i3wm and some unicode glyphs are not displaying, can somebody guide me in right direction , I tried a solutions i got googling, it has not worked out yet |
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| 22:59.28 | Epakai | rjdp9736: are you sure your font has those glyphs? |
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| 23:10.33 | drzraf | Hi, I've a (kernel?) issue (Stretch regression) and I wonder how to debug: laptop's fans do not work unless acpi=off |
| 23:11.38 | drzraf | I used to run 4.9+80~bpo8+1 which was OK, but 4.9+80+deb9u1 and 4.12+84 = no fan unless acpi=off |
| 23:12.15 | drzraf | I thought about "*acpi*" packages but I need a more rational debug-path |
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| 23:24.30 | foul_owl | Is haproxy still the gold standard for load balancing? Would you prefer it or a different load balancer? |
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| 23:25.55 | Wulf | foul_owl: it's okay. An alternative I've been thinking about is to use iptables rules and write a program that manages them. In theory it should be a bit quicker than haproxy as no userspace at all is involved. |
| 23:25.59 | Wulf | foul_owl: but too much effort |
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| 23:29.50 | DerLGm | Wulf: foul_owl id use iptables if possible. then again i havent tried haproxy. |
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| 23:30.50 | Wulf | haproxy got tons of features |
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| 23:32.08 | abrotman | foul_owl: yes, AFAIK, yes. Unless you have money for hardware LBs I suppose |
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