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| 00:32.38 | AdrenalinCDA | hello |
| 00:32.45 | Sveta | Hi AdrenalinCDA. :-) |
| 00:34.51 | AdrenalinCDA | how are you doing? |
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| 00:35.47 | Sveta | Going OK, thank you. |
| 00:36.49 | AdrenalinCDA | ive reinstalled debian after encountering some issues with superblocks and partitions after accessing my home partition with ext2fds |
| 00:37.06 | AdrenalinCDA | and now im using TDE |
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| 00:54.12 | Axefield | so I have a debian based question about ispconfig on an AWS server if anyone can help me |
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| 01:00.34 | ahmed751995 | excuse me , when i try this command to setup my wifi (ip link set wlan0 up) i get : Cannot find device "wlan0" |
| 01:02.02 | somiaj | ahmed751995: what makes you think your device is called wlan0, what is the output of 'ip a' |
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| 01:12.44 | ahmed751995 | somiaj: paste.debian.net/983796 |
| 01:12.49 | ahmed751995 | the output |
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| 01:13.16 | somiaj | you have no intefraced called wlan0 |
| 01:13.35 | somiaj | you have enp9s0 (wired) and wlp8s0 (guessing is the wifi) |
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| 01:18.06 | ahmed751995 | somiaj: thanks it is working now |
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| 02:36.16 | asterismo_l | well, i made a discovery |
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| 02:37.02 | dsnow | gold? |
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| 02:45.33 | beef8008 | nudes? |
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| 02:46.07 | dvs | the caramilk secret? |
| 02:46.59 | beef8008 | is that like the Wu-Tang secret? |
| 02:47.09 | asterismo_l | sound works if i have sound only after suspending and resuming the laptop |
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| 02:47.21 | asterismo_l | but not in a normal reboot |
| 02:47.28 | asterismo_l | that's odd |
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| 02:47.45 | asterismo_l | sorry |
| 02:48.10 | asterismo_l | i meant that i only have sound after suspending and resuming the laptop |
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| 02:49.22 | asterismo_l | this is how: boot the laptop > no sound > suspend laptop > resume laptop > sound works |
| 02:51.15 | asterismo_l | how this can be? |
| 02:51.36 | asterismo_l | is there any kind of mute for suspending? |
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| 03:32.07 | emma | is the universal media server in the debian repo? |
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| 03:36.28 | somiaj | emma: do you know the name of the software/project that creates it? |
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| 03:37.22 | somiaj | from the webpage it is not clear what the license is, but it is looking non-free to me |
| 03:37.42 | somiaj | I guess it is, one second. |
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| 03:39.07 | emma | http://www.universalmediaserver.com/ |
| 03:39.58 | somiaj | I'm not seeing it packaged for debian or even ubuntu. But it is written in java, so it should be fairly easy to install and run using the openjdk in debian. You may also need to install other things like ffmpeg and the like |
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| 03:45.59 | somiaj | emma: I'm not even finding a Request For Package for that. I found this, seems to be similar, wonder if it is just older code. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551645 |
| 03:46.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/551645 in wnpp (open): «RFP: ps3-media-server -- DLNA UPnP Media Server, dedicated to»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-10-19; last modified: 2017-03-13. |
| 03:46.34 | somiaj | emma: anyways, I wonder if the server you are talking about is a fork. But I don't know the software. I can't seem to find it in debian, and the best you can do is file a RFP bug and link to the software. |
| 03:46.53 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/RFP |
| 03:48.18 | tripkin | Quick question, does anyone know if there are plans to add Atom to the repository? |
| 03:48.37 | somiaj | tripkin: you can search for RFP bugs, they may contain info. |
| 03:48.43 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
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| 03:49.14 | Ir0nF|st | hi anyone know how to install IRCd with self hosted plans ? |
| 03:49.52 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: on debian systems apt install packagename. If you don't have access to a console for the machine you are using, you may want to ask the provider of the host for support or to isntall it |
| 03:50.14 | emma | somiaj: what's the best way to stream movies you have on your laptop to a tv when you have a Roku? |
| 03:50.41 | somiaj | emma: I'm unsure, I haven't tried that. Debian provides other media servers that may work. |
| 03:50.47 | Ir0nF|st | somiaj i have vps |
| 03:51.00 | somiaj | emma: I think it would be just fine to install ums from upstream in say /opt and run it since it is just a java program. |
| 03:51.01 | Ir0nF|st | and i am trying to install in it |
| 03:51.12 | somiaj | emma: but if you would prefer something in the repos, maybe try 'apt-cache search media server' |
| 03:51.33 | emma | thanks |
| 03:51.52 | Ir0nF|st | somiaj can u pm ? |
| 03:51.57 | Ir0nF|st | for a while ? |
| 03:52.29 | somiaj | emma: in stretch I see gmediaserver and minidlna |
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| 03:53.30 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: no, I'm not here to give private support. If you have root access to your vps, just use apt install packagename, such as 'apt install ircd-hybrid' to install the server |
| 03:53.59 | sandiego | uhuh :) |
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| 03:54.41 | sandiego | hi |
| 03:54.54 | klys | hi |
| 03:55.02 | sandiego | anyone usign polaris irc ? |
| 03:55.03 | Ir0nF|st | somiaj i did |
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| 03:55.43 | Ir0nF|st | but i am suffering with a load of erros |
| 03:56.05 | sandiego | what is the problem, Ir0nF|st |
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| 03:57.10 | Ir0nF|st | it not able to work |
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| 03:57.43 | sandiego | what you trying to do? |
| 03:57.57 | Ir0nF|st | i am installing unrealIRCd |
| 03:58.05 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: unless you provide us with the command out typed and the output of the errors we can't be of much help. Use paste.debian.net for that. |
| 03:58.08 | Ir0nF|st | but wheneveer i am trying ./server |
| 03:58.19 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: I don't see amy package called unrealircd in debian? |
| 03:58.41 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: where did you get this software that youa re installing? Are you running debian or something based on debian? |
| 03:59.36 | Ir0nF|st | debian |
| 03:59.57 | Ir0nF|st | debian 7 |
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| 04:02.05 | nvz | I've got a brand new WD Passport 1tb with NTFS and I've been trying to fill it with backups for weeks now on a remote system and it keeps failing with Buffer IO Error in dmesg and remounting to another location as another device node screwing up my automated process that should've been done two weeks ago. The drive has only had about 100hrs of total operation in its lifetime yet smart is showing pre-fail and o |
| 04:02.09 | sandiego | have you checked the unrealIRCd ? manual FAQ ? |
| 04:02.11 | nvz | ld age. IDK what to believe here. I've heard people say they had similar issues on forums and claimed that after switching to ext4 the drive was fine, thinkin it was an NTFS driver issue |
| 04:03.03 | Ir0nF|st | yes sandiego i have checked |
| 04:03.13 | sandiego | add the flag , large to it large,defaults 0 0 at /etc/fstab |
| 04:03.34 | sandiego | for large msdos drives |
| 04:03.50 | Ir0nF|st | root@megatron:~# tar xzvf Unreal3.2.10.4.tar.gz |
| 04:03.50 | Ir0nF|st | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 04:03.50 | Ir0nF|st | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 04:03.50 | Ir0nF|st | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 04:03.51 | KNERD | They stil make 1TB drives? That is liek stil making 1GB flash drives ans tryign to sell them for $20. Sort of like WD does, 1TB drives still $59.99 after years. |
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| 04:04.02 | Ir0nF|st | i have getting this error sandiego |
| 04:04.27 | sandiego | debian past |
| 04:04.34 | sandiego | just in case :P |
| 04:04.45 | nvz | KNERD: yes they still make them and there are still plenty of devices out there with 1TB limits, like most bluray players for example |
| 04:04.56 | sandiego | redowload the file Ir0nF|st |
| 04:04.58 | Ir0nF|st | debian 7 c64 |
| 04:05.03 | sandiego | its currupted some how |
| 04:05.12 | sandiego | and remove z |
| 04:05.21 | sandiego | tar xvf file.tar.gz |
| 04:05.35 | sandiego | ahh btw use the dash - |
| 04:05.43 | sandiego | tar -xvf file.tar.gz |
| 04:05.48 | KNERD | I did not even know there was a 1TB limit on mnay things |
| 04:06.02 | KNERD | maybe a 15 year old motherboard |
| 04:06.06 | Ir0nF|st | ok |
| 04:06.17 | Ir0nF|st | shall i use debian 9 ? |
| 04:06.32 | sandiego | its up to you |
| 04:06.39 | Ir0nF|st | hang on |
| 04:06.44 | sandiego | debian 9 is cool im using it |
| 04:06.48 | sandiego | ^^ |
| 04:07.06 | nvz | KNERD: ultimately old device limits and supply/demand are what keep the prices up. I'm talking embedded devices mostly.. two things I have are a bluray player (1TB limit) and a palm os word processor (1GB limit) for example. Phones and mp3 players and such also have such limits |
| 04:07.36 | Ir0nF|st | alright will use tioo :P |
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| 04:08.57 | sandiego | go gnome |
| 04:09.05 | sandiego | its stable like iron |
| 04:09.07 | sandiego | :P |
| 04:09.26 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: Why not use an ircd server provdied by gnome instead of some third party server. Support of stuff outside of debian is limited (and 7 is in lts support, and it is suggested you upgrade) |
| 04:09.42 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: but being on a vps, you may have to stick with 7. But I would install some ircd server from debian. 'apt-cache search ircd' |
| 04:10.29 | somiaj | also if you want to upgrade from debian 7 to 9, make sure you upgrade to 8 first. But double check, not all vps will support this. Really depends on the vps. |
| 04:10.58 | Ir0nF|st | alright |
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| 04:11.19 | somiaj | not provided by gnome, provided by debian. |
| 04:11.25 | Ir0nF|st | whenever i am trying to update it showing error again |
| 04:11.44 | Ir0nF|st | E: Failed to fetch http://lon1.mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/stretch-backports/main/i18n/Translation-en 404 Not Found [IP: 95.85.0.50 80] |
| 04:11.45 | Ir0nF|st | E: Failed to fetch http://lon1.mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/stretch-backports/restricted/binary-all/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 95.85.0.50 80] |
| 04:11.47 | Ir0nF|st | E: Failed to fetch http://lon1.mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/stretch-backports/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 95.85.0.50 80] |
| 04:11.48 | Ir0nF|st | E: Failed to fetch http://lon1.mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/stretch-backports/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_US 404 Not Found [IP: 95.85.0.50 80] |
| 04:11.48 | Ir0nF|st | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 04:12.10 | Ir0nF|st | -.- |
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| 04:12.15 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: anyways, I'm unsure why this random file you have is causing problems. But it appears that gzip does not belive it is a gzipped archive. you could run 'file Unreal3.2.10.4.tar.gz' to see what it says about the file |
| 04:12.35 | Ir0nF|st | ok |
| 04:13.04 | somiaj | Ir0nF|st: you say y ou are running debian 7, but have stretch-backports in your sources? Anyways your problem can probably be fixed by running apt-get update. I'm unusre what sources digitial ocean is using. |
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| 04:13.38 | Ir0nF|st | dunno much |
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| 04:14.04 | Ir0nF|st | but the errors which i am facing its keep on showing |
| 04:14.08 | KNERD | about geoprapy |
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| 04:17.20 | sandiego | is there such thing like firmware realtek for monitor linked with hdmi from a r9 fury, plays well on windows and linux doesnt work like it should ! |
| 04:17.40 | sandiego | only got 6 channels spdif-s |
| 04:17.47 | sandiego | cant control nothing :( |
| 04:19.25 | Ir0nF|st | updated to 8.9 |
| 04:19.31 | sandiego | im at 9 |
| 04:19.33 | sandiego | :P |
| 04:19.35 | Ir0nF|st | x64 |
| 04:19.39 | Ir0nF|st | hehehe |
| 04:19.43 | sandiego | :P |
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| 04:19.49 | Ir0nF|st | but my side in 9 showing errors |
| 04:19.50 | sandiego | muti arch :P |
| 04:20.06 | Ir0nF|st | yeah |
| 04:20.17 | Ir0nF|st | can i use hostname instead of ip ? |
| 04:20.41 | Ir0nF|st | and ascii which can show in start up |
| 04:20.45 | somiaj | sandiego: do you know what video drivers you are using. The radeon drivers do work with non-free firmwanre |
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| 04:20.54 | sandiego | yup |
| 04:21.05 | pragomer | is it possible to remove every packet I installed within the last 24h ? |
| 04:21.08 | somiaj | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 04:21.09 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; buster/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 04:21.33 | somiaj | pragomer: did you use apt or aptitude to install them? |
| 04:21.44 | pragomer | apt-get |
| 04:21.56 | somiaj | pragomer: check the apt-log, it will list the time of every apt install/removal |
| 04:22.11 | sandiego | Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits) |
| 04:22.16 | somiaj | pragomer: /var/log/apt/, most likely /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 04:22.29 | sandiego | somiaj : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits) |
| 04:23.14 | pragomer | you mean /var/log/apt/history.log ? |
| 04:23.20 | somiaj | sandiego: I'm not that familar with amd, but there is firmware that the kms driver uses. Is that using the radeon driver or the newer amdpro driver? Either way same firmware package. |
| 04:23.25 | pragomer | ah sorry you told me :-) |
| 04:23.43 | somiaj | pragomer: correct. I don't know of any tool, but you remove every package that it lists. |
| 04:23.54 | sandiego | will it make my monitor sound work just fine ? |
| 04:23.56 | somiaj | I mean a tool that will just do this for you, will require some manual work. |
| 04:24.01 | sandiego | trying ok |
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| 04:24.36 | pragomer | this is my list: https://pastebin.com/tP8BhCyu |
| 04:24.51 | somiaj | sandiego: I don't think it is an issue with the monintor, but the graphics driver. I am just saying that the amd/ati cards have non-free firmware you can install for them. My understanding is this mostly supports the 3D graphics better, but maybe there are some improvments to the hdmi or whatever it is you are doing. |
| 04:24.53 | pragomer | how could I remove these lines (xxxxx, automatic) ? |
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| 04:25.19 | somiaj | pragomer: the automatic packages should be removed after the main package is removed |
| 04:25.25 | somiaj | pragomer: you will have to run an apt-get autoremove afterwards |
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| 04:25.39 | sandiego | somiaj : https://paste.debian.net/983805/ |
| 04:25.58 | somiaj | pragomer: so if you remove lxqt, then you should be able to autoremove the rest. (there are some details where if some of those packages are suggested/recommended but they weren't isntalled, then they won't be removed) |
| 04:26.23 | boblamont | I'm building what I hope will be a very lightweight debian install... the usb stick I want to install on is 2GB, will that work, or do I have to use something bigger? |
| 04:26.25 | pragomer | mm. I found out, several times, that "autoremove" isnt safe anymore. I removes many packets that are still needed by other programs |
| 04:26.25 | somiaj | sandiego: what version of debian are you running. have you enabled the non-free repo? |
| 04:26.46 | sandiego | strech |
| 04:26.52 | sandiego | stetch |
| 04:26.52 | somiaj | boblamont: I would think if you really want to install on a usb stick. A live image might be better (usb reads can be slow) |
| 04:26.58 | sandiego | omg : stretch |
| 04:27.04 | sandiego | :P |
| 04:27.04 | pragomer | but Ill try it with autoremove. thank you |
| 04:27.08 | somiaj | pragomer: is this on debian stable? |
| 04:27.21 | pragomer | yes its stretch |
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| 04:27.55 | somiaj | pragomer: It will work like it is supose to. But you may have packages that were auto installed that you don't want removed. When reomving a very big desktop meta package this happens. |
| 04:28.14 | somiaj | so you need to look through the list, and if you see anything that you don't want it to remove, use apt-mark to mark it as manual |
| 04:28.24 | pragomer | yes this could be the reason. but good news: it just worked like expected. just did it. |
| 04:28.38 | pragomer | so: thank you very much for the hint with apt-log :-) |
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| 04:29.07 | boblamont | somiaj: I've had ok luck installing onto usb sticks before on computers lacking a working hd, won't a live image lose all data upon restart? |
| 04:29.09 | sandiego | is this site trustable : https://linuxconfig.org/debian-apt-get-stretch-sources-list |
| 04:29.20 | somiaj | boblamont: there are ways to make live images persistant |
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| 04:29.46 | somiaj | boblamont: you can be as simple as a persistant $HOME on the usb drive that gets mounted, to actually being able to add/remove packages and have that be persistant. |
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| 04:30.12 | somiaj | boblamont: ideally you could build your own custom live images with live-build. But I find that it won't be a simple task. |
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| 04:30.52 | somiaj | boblamont: advantage is a live system will run more from memeory as a usb drive will use the drive more, and this can be a slow (not as bad now with usb3, but usb2 I find very slow) |
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| 04:31.34 | somiaj | sandiego: do you just want a set of basic sources.list to use |
| 04:31.54 | somiaj | sandiego: personally I would use deb.debian.org as the mirror redirector to choose a close by one. |
| 04:31.54 | sandiego | i live in Portugal i picked portugal ;) |
| 04:32.02 | sandiego | ohhh kk |
| 04:32.03 | somiaj | !stretch sources.list |
| 04:32.03 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:32.04 | boblamont | somiaj: my goal for this is just to basically set up an internet radio, with a small number of preset stations, mostly used by other people so they don't have to manually look for the streams, so I'd need the stream app and the list of stations to be persistent |
| 04:32.16 | somiaj | those should work for anyone, and be able to pick a healthy close by mirror |
| 04:32.59 | somiaj | boblamont: I think you can jsut boot a debian live image with a flag which will allow you to have $HOME on a seperate partition that you can write to and save settings and stuff like that. |
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| 04:33.06 | somiaj | but any changes to the software will revert on reboot. |
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| 04:33.27 | sandiego | brb l8r |
| 04:33.30 | somiaj | you can look up info about it on google. There is a lot of info, I would try to find more current stuff for the stretch live images. |
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| 04:34.49 | boblamont | somiaj: right, so I'd have to hope the right software is already on the live cd, I was thinking something easy like a console player might be best |
| 04:35.47 | AlexLikeRock_ | help http://paste.debian.net/983808 |
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| 04:36.04 | AlexLikeRock_ | i dont have APTITUDE |
| 04:36.28 | somiaj | boblamont: hence you could ideally build your own live image from debian with live-build. There is docs, but I think a lot of the examples can't really be coppied/pasted anymore, one would have to do some work. |
| 04:37.05 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock_: can you start with sharing the output of apt-cache policy, and apt-cache-policy for every package listed there. |
| 04:37.16 | AlexLikeRock_ | somiaj, o/ |
| 04:37.33 | AlexLikeRock_ | fine |
| 04:37.39 | somiaj | it might also be some conflict with jessie and jessie-backports |
| 04:37.55 | somiaj | it would be nice to at least see what your sources are, but also see what version of the packages it isn't liking. |
| 04:38.18 | somiaj | it also says you have held broken packages, dose apt -f install try to fix anything? |
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| 04:38.56 | AlexLikeRock_ | apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/983809/ |
| 04:39.00 | boblamont | somiaj: Do you think it would be possible to build a live image that could include the radio presets? That would be ideal, but I figure unlikely... unless I could directly edit the image and insert a config file that includes them |
| 04:39.43 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes somnia, |
| 04:40.15 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.25 | AlexLikeRock_ | and make my conflict :-( |
| 04:40.44 | AlexLikeRock_ | its so hard without aptitude |
| 04:40.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | :'( |
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| 04:40.56 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock_: that explains it, you have a mix of jessie and strecth packages. |
| 04:41.15 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes, how to make downgrade ? |
| 04:41.21 | tripkin | Thanks, somiaj |
| 04:41.28 | AlexLikeRock_ | the "news " packages |
| 04:41.29 | AlexLikeRock_ | ? |
| 04:41.36 | somiaj | packages are only designed to be upgraded, so downgrading is not fully support and some things cannot be undone. |
| 04:41.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | i read this https://hackedbellini.org/linux/downgrade-and-force-some-packages-on-debian-to-a-previous-version/ |
| 04:41.55 | somiaj | But you will first want to manually go downgrade each package that isn't at the jessie version. And without aptitude things like this may not work. |
| 04:41.58 | somiaj | !partial downgrade |
| 04:41.59 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 04:42.11 | AlexLikeRock_ | but i dont found file " /etc/apt/preferences" |
| 04:42.31 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock_: just create one |
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| 04:42.41 | AlexLikeRock_ | cool ,, |
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| 04:44.43 | AlexLikeRock_ | somiaj, |
| 04:44.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | how to remplace : |
| 04:44.52 | AlexLikeRock_ | Package: xserver-* |
| 04:45.02 | AlexLikeRock_ | for "all packages" |
| 04:45.03 | AlexLikeRock_ | ? |
| 04:45.12 | AlexLikeRock_ | or hole system ? |
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| 04:45.44 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock_: you may just want to start remove kde/xorg, and go back to a minimial system to fix. |
| 04:46.00 | somiaj | or call your losses, backup /home and configuration files and reinstall |
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| 04:46.15 | AlexLikeRock_ | at the tutorial talk about : Package: xserver-* |
| 04:46.34 | AlexLikeRock_ | but my sistem are mixet surfle packages |
| 04:46.49 | AlexLikeRock_ | shufle** |
| 04:46.53 | AlexLikeRock_ | ramdom ** |
| 04:46.55 | AlexLikeRock_ | etc. |
| 04:47.13 | AlexLikeRock_ | RE-INSTALL hell NO! :-O |
| 04:47.20 | somiaj | you could also just try to upgrade to stretch and see how that goes. |
| 04:47.26 | AlexLikeRock_ | lol, i have DB |
| 04:47.37 | AlexLikeRock_ | somiaj, -.- |
| 04:48.13 | somiaj | gain/loss anyalsis, what is a more productive use of your time. But you'll have to manually track down each package that is of the stretch version and downgrade it to jessie, and it might start by using the core libs |
| 04:48.40 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes |
| 04:48.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.50 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.02 | AlexLikeRock_ | how to downgrade a file |
| 04:49.17 | AlexLikeRock_ | apt-get downgrade fooofile ? |
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| 04:52.46 | peterrooney | AlexLikeRock_: 05:41:36 <somiaj> packages are only designed to be upgraded, so downgrading is not fully support and some things cannot be undone. |
| 04:53.07 | AlexLikeRock_ | i now peterrooney |
| 04:53.12 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock_: apt-get install packagenmae=version can work. |
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| 04:53.30 | AlexLikeRock_ | tanks : ---> apt-get install packagenmae=version can work. |
| 04:54.47 | AlexLikeRock_ | reading.... |
| 04:54.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | https://linux-tips.com/t/downgrade-a-package-with-its-dependencies/261 |
| 04:55.02 | AlexLikeRock_ | Package: * Pin: release a=jessie Pin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 04:57.02 | boblamont | somiaj: would something like Linux Live Kit work? I'd have to set up the basic system first, but that should allow me to get the presets in there, if I'm reading about it right... |
| 04:57.36 | Ir0nF|st | somiaj how to set up vhost instead of myip ? |
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| 04:58.07 | Ir0nF|st | whenever i want to connect my bot to dalnet or over here it shows bot ip |
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| 04:58.28 | Ir0nF|st | i want it to show my shell vhost |
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| 04:59.15 | somiaj | boblamont: i'm unsure on any details. I just know that debian live systems are built with tools inside of debian. Unsure on how to use them. Also unsure of other such places to make custom live images. |
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| 05:02.04 | deadweight | Does normally have bad Linux support? |
| 05:02.10 | deadweight | broadcom |
| 05:02.25 | Guest9055 | somiaj how to set up vhost instead of myip ? |
| 05:02.27 | boblamont | somiaj: fair enough, it looks like I probably can make it work, and have the added bonus of nobody being able to break the system because it's live (a plus I hadn't thought of before, but which is very appealing now that I have) |
| 05:02.28 | Guest9055 | i want it to show my shell vhost |
| 05:02.32 | emma | What is a media server that runs on Debian that will work with a Roku> |
| 05:02.32 | Guest9055 | whenever i want to connect my bot to dalnet or over here it shows bot ip |
| 05:02.34 | emma | ? |
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| 05:06.03 | towo^work | what is a "Roku>" |
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| 05:06.51 | somiaj | towo^work: little embeded device that can play various apps like netflix over hdmi |
| 05:06.55 | somiaj | the newest I think does hdmi4k |
| 05:07.14 | somiaj | we use it here on our tvs. |
| 05:08.14 | towo^work | if it can dlna, it should play anything from any dlna server |
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| 05:08.56 | somiaj | that would be my guess. I am unsure of its capbilties for that though. |
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| 05:40.26 | AlexLikeRock_ | if remove : xserver-xorg |
| 05:40.30 | AlexLikeRock_ | they stop ? |
| 05:41.10 | AlexLikeRock_ | my idea its remove, then finish , then install faster |
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| 05:42.26 | AlexLikeRock_ | tanke a look |
| 05:42.28 | AlexLikeRock_ | http://paste.debian.net/983812/ |
| 05:45.12 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, kidding? |
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| 05:45.21 | AlexLikeRock_ | lol |
| 05:45.23 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.27 | AlexLikeRock_ | :"( |
| 05:45.31 | AlexLikeRock_ | so.. |
| 05:45.38 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.08 | towo^work | if you purge libstdc++6 you don't have a system anymore |
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| 05:46.30 | towo^work | what makes you think, it's a good idea to purge libstdc++6? |
| 05:47.12 | towo^work | Sounds like a high level trolling to me |
| 05:47.52 | sandiego | hi Good Morning , happiness :P |
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| 05:49.00 | AlexLikeRock_ | lol |
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| 05:49.13 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.17 | AlexLikeRock_ | :""""""""""""""""""""""""( |
| 05:49.21 | AlexLikeRock_ | i dont have aptitude |
| 05:49.25 | sandiego | can someone link the officials "deb-src""contrib" "non-free" "stretch/updates" "stretch-updates" mirrors pls !! many tks :P |
| 05:49.28 | AlexLikeRock_ | :"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""( |
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| 05:50.03 | somiaj | sandiego: deb.debian.org should work just fine. |
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| 05:50.17 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, what is your exact problem, what is the goal of your doin'? |
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| 05:51.08 | sandiego | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ non-free ? |
| 05:51.14 | sandiego | like this for excample |
| 05:51.24 | somiaj | !stretch sources.list |
| 05:51.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:52.01 | sandiego | !stretch non-free |
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| 05:52.35 | AlexLikeRock_ | towo^work, downgrade my MIXED SYSTEM to jessie :-> |
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| 05:52.46 | AlexLikeRock_ | working hard :-) |
| 05:52.51 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, forget it |
| 05:53.04 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, install jessie new |
| 05:53.15 | AlexLikeRock_ | hahaha |
| 05:53.18 | somiaj | sandiego: just append contrib and non-free after main, so it is deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 05:53.22 | AlexLikeRock_ | i can do it :-> |
| 05:53.24 | towo^work | for whatever reason you want jessie |
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| 05:53.40 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, i would bet my ass, you can't |
| 05:53.57 | AlexLikeRock_ | just removing 2.7 GB of packages :-) |
| 05:54.03 | AlexLikeRock_ | and reinstall |
| 05:54.23 | somiaj | you might have artificats floating around. A new install would be mostly done by now. |
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| 05:55.39 | towo^work | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 05:55.39 | towo^work | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
| 05:55.39 | towo^work | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.52 | towo^work | have fun reinstalling without apt |
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| 05:56.27 | AlexLikeRock_ | jajaj |
| 05:56.30 | AlexLikeRock_ | hahahah |
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| 05:58.27 | AlexLikeRock_ | towo^work, do you now a trick to DOWNGRADE ALL SYSTEM ? |
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| 05:58.42 | towo^work | AlexLikeRock_, yes, install jessie from stretch |
| 06:00.15 | somiaj | a reinstall would be my advise at this point |
| 06:00.29 | AlexLikeRock_ | no, |
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| 06:00.37 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:01.10 | towo^work | then go away from here, no one can and will support your doin' |
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| 06:02.24 | realbadhorse | Hello |
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| 06:06.20 | realbadhorse | As it is based debian, can i expect to get *some* support for kali here? |
| 06:07.14 | AlexLikeRock_ | towo^work, tanks i now |
| 06:07.16 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.28 | AlexLikeRock_ | ask realbadhorse |
| 06:07.50 | realbadhorse | Ive been a long time kali live user on my lape |
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| 06:08.29 | realbadhorse | Laptop*. Since its trashed now im trying to have it boot on my desktop. |
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| 06:09.18 | realbadhorse | On boot i suffer from a blackscreen due to nouveau.. Heres a vid if it helps https://youtu.be/uthUD0yC2X8 |
| 06:09.20 | borsh | How do I properly install i915 and i965 xorg drivers? |
| 06:09.45 | borsh | Is not there an app for apt-getting all the needed things for gpu accel to just work? |
| 06:10.18 | darxmurf | morning all |
| 06:11.01 | realbadhorse | Morning |
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| 06:11.26 | borsh | Or do I just need 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel' ? |
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| 06:12.25 | nvz | borsh: intel graphics should just work automatically |
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| 06:13.50 | towo^work | borsh, debian has switched to modesetting for intel graphics |
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| 06:14.10 | towo^work | if you want the intel ddx, you need to set it in a xorg.conf snipped |
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| 06:14.43 | towo^work | realbadhorse, here is #debian, not #kali |
| 06:16.04 | realbadhorse | Its #kali-linux.. But btw ive been trying to troubleshoot it with them since yesterday morning., nust thought i could try here as its based on deb |
| 06:16.25 | borsh | nvz: towo^work: don't I need to install xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
| 06:16.40 | towo^work | borsh, if it is not installed, sure |
| 06:17.10 | towo^work | realbadhorse, here is no support for kali |
| 06:17.10 | borsh | Can you please also show me `ls -l /dev/dri/card0` ? |
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| 06:17.36 | towo^work | borsh, why should i do that? i don't have intel graphics |
| 06:17.48 | borsh | Any card would be fine |
| 06:18.16 | towo^work | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 Aug 28 06:50 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 06:18.19 | towo^work | and now? |
| 06:18.24 | borsh | Thanks. |
| 06:18.36 | towo^work | you should elaborate your real problem, instead of asking useless things |
| 06:19.21 | borsh | towo^work: no problem with this yet. :> |
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| 06:21.51 | borsh | So the user should be added to the video group for the drm to work |
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| 06:37.11 | Sveta | nethogs |
| 06:37.50 | dionysus69 | Thanks Sveta |
| 06:39.07 | borsh | towo^work: nvz: it now works! Thanks for help. |
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| 07:15.25 | towo^work | borsh, what intel card you have? |
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| 07:20.17 | issiac | hi |
| 07:20.53 | issiac | catted binary file.. corrupted screen font.... howto recover without reboot??? |
| 07:21.06 | issiac | Please. :) |
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| 07:22.30 | xormor | issiac, command "reset" |
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| 07:25.16 | borsh | towo^work: i915 on the host. |
| 07:25.23 | borsh | towo^work: debian is running in lxd |
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| 07:27.55 | towo^work | borsh, i want to know the modell |
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| 07:28.36 | towo^work | and since i don't know lxd, i don't know, if that container can passthrough the hardware |
| 07:29.23 | borsh | towo^work: it can. I'm not sure how to detect the model. |
| 07:29.33 | borsh | towo^work: what for do you need to know the model? |
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| 07:29.49 | towo^work | lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 07:30.00 | towo^work | but since it is in a container, i'm out |
| 07:30.13 | borsh | towo^work: but it works! |
| 07:30.28 | borsh | towo^work: glxinfo says it is accelerated |
| 07:30.47 | towo^work | ah, i had missread your commend above |
| 07:30.47 | d3lphi | hi all. Running Debian Jessie with Gnome and I am using "Nemo" as file manager. I'd like to rightclick on a folder and share it via samba. Unfortunately I cannot find a package called "nemo-share". How can I solve this ? any help appreciate |
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| 07:31.44 | borsh | what are the default groups for the user created by the installer? |
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| 07:37.46 | Bobby_the_Seger | My Screen is corrupted due to cat <binaryfile>. Now need cmd to set screen straight.... font is way crazy looking. |
| 07:38.05 | Bobby_the_Seger | Help is appreciated. |
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| 07:39.40 | jelly | Bobby_the_Seger: "reset" command, as someone's already told you |
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| 07:40.11 | Bobby_the_Seger | Using Linux version 4.4.21-v7 |
| 07:41.17 | Bobby_the_Seger | Thanks. |
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| 07:44.26 | Bobby_the_Seger | Goodbye. |
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| 07:59.39 | sandiego | Good Morning , Happiness ! =) How should i fix my monitor sound? sound wasnt working after i did " apt install firmware-amd-graphics" it appears the sound control allready in pavucontrol, but verry noise glitched sound , crackling sound dont ear nothing :( i think in my opinion is a codec issue or slave/master issue mutiple sound cards on sistem one from board one from ati/r9 fury hdmi link |
| 08:00.05 | sandiego | thank you in advance |
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| 08:02.04 | sandiego | towo^work: :P |
| 08:02.07 | sandiego | jelly :P |
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| 08:03.34 | MoKhSu | !fc4 |
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| 08:06.26 | sandiego | fc4 ? meaning |
| 08:07.05 | towo^work | sandiego, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205893 |
| 08:07.12 | towo^work | sandiego, i don't use sound over hdmi |
| 08:07.32 | sandiego | ty so much |
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| 08:10.18 | sandiego | brb |
| 08:10.21 | sandiego | them |
| 08:10.23 | sandiego | :) |
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| 08:18.00 | Daddysgurl | https://hubpages.com/living/All-About-Rosemary-A-Tool-for-the-Kitchen-and-Bedroom |
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| 08:35.50 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 08:36.31 | tobiasBora | I was wondering, is AMD well supported on debian ? A friend of mine would like to get a computer with a AMD A9-9420 |
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| 08:36.55 | tobiasBora | (CPU) and an AMD Radeon R5 graphic card |
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| 08:44.29 | TeslasMHD | Finally I finished my little Java Swing applications developed under Debian/testing with NetBeans. :-) |
| 08:44.37 | TeslasMHD | http://www.immanuelk.net/adrian/jexercise/JuliaSet/screenshot/JuliaSet-screenshot-2017-08-31.png |
| 08:44.39 | TeslasMHD | http://www.immanuelk.net/adrian/jexercise/KnightTour/screenshot/KnightTour-screenshot-2017-08-31.png |
| 08:44.41 | TeslasMHD | http://www.immanuelk.net/adrian/jexercise/MendelLaw/screenshot/MendelLaw-screenshot-2017-08-31.png |
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| 08:46.51 | john_rambo | I reinstalled Debian 9 then did apt-get update/upgrade Now when I open Chromium I get this http://imgur.com/a/vmVjo |
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| 08:54.16 | john_rambo | Any ideas ? |
| 08:55.22 | slax0r | install a newer version of chromium |
| 08:55.23 | bezaban | ,v chromium |
| 08:55.24 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.0.3112.78-1; sid: 60.0.3112.78-1 |
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| 08:56.48 | john_rambo | slax0r, But the profile I am using is from a Debian 9 install ... |
| 08:57.09 | john_rambo | Never used backports |
| 08:57.34 | slax0r | john_rambo: did you isntall from stretch-security per chance? |
| 08:57.48 | slax0r | as you can see, stretch-security has version 60, stretch has 59 |
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| 08:59.03 | john_rambo | slax0r, This is my sources.list https://paste2.org/h0C24w34 |
| 09:00.25 | slax0r | john_rambo: when you say reinstalled, did you do a full reinstall, or did you leave the old home dir in place? |
| 09:00.56 | john_rambo | slax0r, Yes I kept the old home |
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| 09:01.10 | slax0r | john_rambo: go ahead and make a backup of ~/.config/chromium and remove that directory, then restart chromium |
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| 09:01.26 | LoveCat | cmake .. |
| 09:01.27 | LoveCat | bash: cmake: command not found <â whatâs wrong? |
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| 09:01.52 | john_rambo | slax0r, Even if that works I will loose all my bookmarks, saved sessions |
| 09:03.57 | slax0r | john_rambo: I am willing to be that before you reinstalled debian 9, you had a newer version of chromium installed from a different source or repository (like stretch-security), I don't see another option than to remove the old profile, or install the newer version again |
| 09:04.20 | john_rambo | slax0r, Also, please have a look at my sources.list and tell me if its okay |
| 09:04.28 | slax0r | john_rambo: they look ok, yes |
| 09:04.44 | slax0r | I am not aware of any possibility to convert the profile back to an older version, I might be wrong though |
| 09:05.30 | john_rambo | slax0r, I will just cope with it ... leave it as it is ...Thanks |
| 09:05.55 | LoveCat | cmake .. |
| 09:05.56 | LoveCat | bash: cmake: command not found <â whatâs wrong? can you help me? |
| 09:07.12 | petemc | LoveCat: apt-get install cmake |
| 09:07.19 | LoveCat | thanks :) |
| 09:07.28 | petemc | or even apt-get install build-essential |
| 09:07.45 | LoveCat | i donât know why i must install all program on debian unlike ununtu? |
| 09:07.46 | LoveCat | :( |
| 09:08.07 | petemc | because not everyone wants all packages installed |
| 09:08.13 | petemc | its not hard to install them |
| 09:08.18 | jolt | LoveCat: apt install build-essential for most stuff you need when building from source |
| 09:08.35 | jolt | LoveCat: You could have selected all options in tasksel when you installed, then you would have everything from start :) |
| 09:09.22 | LoveCat | oh thanks :) |
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| 09:11.55 | towo^work | tobiasBora, amd is well supported nowdays |
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| 09:16.14 | LoveCat | can i go to ubuntu? it is too inconvenient to me to use debian :( |
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| 09:17.51 | klys | lovecat, if you do that you will have to leave here. |
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| 09:18.10 | klys | lovecat, it's either a stepping-stone or a stumbling block |
| 09:18.20 | LoveCat | After upgrading my skill, then i will be back. |
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| 09:36.54 | sandiego | hi guys |
| 09:37.37 | sandiego | anyone facing sound trouble over hdmi ? ati / amd GPU with firmware-amd-graphics installed ? without it i wouldnt even see the link |
| 09:37.51 | sandiego | only spdif's |
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| 09:38.19 | sandiego | now i see the link and i set it up in pavucontrol pulseaudio BUT i ear something with crackling sound distorced |
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| 10:11.53 | ForceRecon | When the debian team sends out their emails for problems that have been fixed or insecurities, when you get them they have at the bottom this message is not verified and you can click it to add them to your keyring.. How do they add this or what is this called so that I can look it up |
| 10:14.25 | Bearcat | arrgh! I've spent 45 minutes trying to connnect to my mysql database as -u root, only to realise that i had to do it with sudo. This is what i get for being a Gentoo user, trying to use Debian. |
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| 10:19.23 | fireba11 | hi, postgres 9.6 can#t dump one of my DBs with out of memory error. it worked fine on debian 7 with postgres 9.4 any idea what changed to cause that? |
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| 10:20.34 | maxcell_ | i'm trying to 'cp' a file into an usb-drive and it's giving me an error after copying 4Gb. The error is "cp: write error of 'file': The file is too long". The file has 4.3Gb and my usb-drive is 8Gb and i already format him. What's causing the issue? |
| 10:21.00 | towo^work | maxcell_, the issue could be fat32 on that stick |
| 10:21.08 | towo^work | or propably is |
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| 10:21.13 | maxcell_ | what you mean? towo^work not fallowing |
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| 10:21.34 | towo^work | maxcell_, if the stick is formated with fat32, it's normal |
| 10:21.43 | maxcell_ | i recently did mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1 (usb-drive) |
| 10:21.45 | petn-randall | fireba11: What is the exact error you get? |
| 10:21.49 | towo^work | maxcell_, max filesize for fat32 is 4GiB |
| 10:21.54 | maxcell_ | omg |
| 10:21.57 | maxcell_ | i didn't know |
| 10:22.04 | towo^work | no wyou know |
| 10:22.09 | maxcell_ | ok |
| 10:22.23 | maxcell_ | what should i do to copy this movie to the usb-drive and watch this on my tV? |
| 10:22.44 | towo^work | maxcell_, convert it and shrink? |
| 10:22.45 | maxcell_ | i don't think the TV will manage to read ext4 partitions hehe |
| 10:23.18 | towo^work | maybe you tv can read ntfs |
| 10:23.45 | maxcell_ | i will try that |
| 10:23.46 | cruncher | or exFat |
| 10:23.54 | maxcell_ | what is exFat? |
| 10:23.58 | cruncher | read about it |
| 10:24.07 | cruncher | but simply, another filesystem |
| 10:24.18 | towo^work | but before o would read the manual of the tv what is supported |
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| 10:25.09 | maxcell_ | the 'cp' command, after hanging for a while, manage to copy the 4.3Gb of the file into the usb-drive |
| 10:25.22 | maxcell_ | it will not work well while i'm watching right? |
| 10:25.35 | maxcell_ | it will get stuck on the end right? |
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| 10:25.41 | maxcell_ | on the end of the movie, i mean |
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| 10:26.17 | maxcell_ | and yes, i'm looking into my TV manual right now |
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| 10:27.24 | petn-randall | fireba11: Also, what is the amount of memory you have on the machine? And it's the pgsql client that fails (and not the pg server), right? |
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| 10:28.53 | maxcell_ | i'm sorry, it was a mistake, the "cp" didn't manage to copy 4.3Gb, it just stop himself after about 5m hanging. |
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| 10:31.04 | petn-randall | maxcell_: The hanging is probably due to the slow I/O speed of the USB stick. |
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| 10:32.42 | fireba11 | petn-randall: pg_dump: Dumping the contents of table "plugindata" failed: PQgetResult() failed. |
| 10:32.50 | fireba11 | petn-randall: pg_dump: Error message from server: ERROR: out of memory |
| 10:33.01 | fireba11 | petn-randall: the machien got 4GB ram |
| 10:33.23 | maxcell_ | petn-randall, you are absolutly right sir. The "iotop" was showing i/o data only on the USB-stick. |
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| 10:43.02 | fireba11 | petn-randall: oh and the expected size of the dump is only 270MB ...^^ |
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| 10:46.22 | vlt | maxcell_: My Samsumg TV can read also from NTFS; I haven't tried exFAT yet. |
| 10:46.47 | fireba11 | vlt: i'm impressd when it can read from NFS :-D |
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| 10:47.06 | petn-randall | fireba11: If you run 'htop' during the dump, what do you see? |
| 10:47.42 | maxcell_ | vlt, i didn't find the manual of my TV but after dig for a while i found some people in the year of 2012 that could read NTFS on an LG TV so, i think it will work |
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| 10:49.51 | petn-randall | fireba11: Does the machine go out of RAM? If not, we'll have to look at your pg server config. |
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| 10:49.58 | petn-randall | (by default it's quite conservative) |
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| 10:50.34 | vlt | fireba11: I'm quite sure the kernel running on the Samsung could do that ;-) |
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| 10:53.27 | fireba11 | petn-randall: hm, that's unexptected ... it actually seems to have to swap and then runs out of ram. i guess the two java processes running there hog too much of it to even run the dumps anymore. okay, more ram for that VM .. :-D |
| 10:54.29 | petn-randall | fireba11: Yeah, 10/10 cases of OOM are due to java ;) |
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| 11:00.52 | maxcell_ | worked, LG can read ntfs :) |
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| 11:01.54 | maxcell_ | cya |
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| 11:02.07 | maxcell_ | thanks guys |
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| 11:07.59 | Conino | hello, i'm trying to install a specific version of php and for some reason the wrong one is installed, but dpkg says otherwise.... https://pastebin.com/tDqdxdGX |
| 11:08.05 | Conino | any idea what may be going on? |
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| 11:38.26 | numbdewd | one VPS-server has a repository in 'sources.list' commented out.. "Dotdeb" - "Dotdeb is an extra repository providing up-to-date packages for your Debian 8 âJessieâ servers " -- any reason why I should keep this commented out... ? Im curious and wanna explore... ne risk with adding that repo? dunno why its there never seen b4 |
| 11:38.49 | jelly | !dotdeb |
| 11:38.49 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 11:39.06 | numbdewd | if ne1 curious btw, besides the deb-src one, here's the full (only) line with the repo asin the file: ##deb http://packages.dotdeb.org jessie all |
| 11:39.12 | numbdewd | o..thx jelly! ^ hmh |
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| 11:39.41 | jelly | their packaging historically varied in quality. If you don't absolutely need it, don't use it |
| 11:40.15 | numbdewd | o.. mh..meh. K then, thanks- good info. I'll stay away for now. |
| 11:40.52 | numbdewd | This got me wondering btw.. where else can I find alternate Deb. repos, possibly with some ability to judge if potentially posing a (security-) risk or otherwise being unreliable / bad ones... (I'd Google around anyway I guess.. hm) |
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| 11:42.07 | numbdewd | also.. I don't know why, but seems some boxes has the "deb-src .." line in the repo file commented out, others (like this) doesn't... Should I comment it out.. ? I rarely if ever download source files, and then usually "wget .." or such .. (assuming its basically source files.. ) |
| 11:43.09 | numbdewd | aaand, (sry).. one more thing. Is it truly as simply as changing "jessie" to "stretch" for upgrading the OS to next version.... or should I read more about that b4 takin that step (im lazy n impatient i guess... :i) |
| 11:43.33 | jelly | numbdewd: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 11:43.57 | numbdewd | (I have done on a couple boxes,and seemd fine.. besides on my phone where it ended..(with the gnu debian package, not requiring root..) ..not sure if i did anything else, but anyway it turned a mess whining about lib6 version conflict thingy i cant seem to solve easily |
| 11:44.02 | numbdewd | o..thanks..! |
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| 11:44.42 | jelly | also, please try using non-shortened English words in here. Having to decipher "ne1" is annoying when English is my second or third language |
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| 11:45.44 | numbdewd | So... may be I'd want the "deb-src .." line,..for example to re-download nginx, openvon, openssl,whatever.. to recompile it with support for .. libressl , additional webserver modules/support or such instead..right? After I download a source (unsure how to even specify that..), where would I find these source-files? |
| 11:45.54 | numbdewd | Ok, sorry. Will try remember. |
| 11:46.22 | numbdewd | sorry again, |
| 11:46.30 | jelly | the bot has other facts mentioned in <deb-src> that answer some of your questions. |
| 11:46.48 | jelly | like /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 11:46.53 | numbdewd | seems your friend as suggested PMed has some more info on that, and I should likely nag it instead of asking here before reading up at all.. |
| 11:46.59 | numbdewd | yep, sorry.. thanks again!! |
| 11:48.18 | transhuman_ | just wanted to confirm debian no longer has a powerpc G4 version right that will support a modern browser (chrome or firefox ) with plugins? |
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| 11:52.34 | gpunk | transhuman_: jessie at least runs it |
| 11:53.22 | transhuman_ | what about the browser? Do you know? |
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| 11:54.53 | gpunk | should be ok, I hvent tested it recently |
| 11:55.11 | transhuman_ | great awsome thanks |
| 11:56.26 | transhuman_ | gpunk for powerbook G4 would it be the ppc64el? |
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| 11:57.41 | gpunk | hold on plz |
| 11:58.10 | transhuman_ | no problem please take your time! |
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| 12:07.27 | Plushfish | Hi |
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| 12:07.34 | Plushfish | Is XFS common for data loss? |
| 12:07.56 | andarien | Hello all, I need some help with my logrotate. My logrotate.conf file includes all the logrotate.d/* configuration files for rotation as is the default. However I need to execute a postrotate script for all the logs. What the proper way to do this? |
| 12:08.12 | beli | Plushfish: no, i use XFS over years for big file storeage w/o any problems |
| 12:08.42 | Plushfish | I've installed Debian in EFI mode with a XFS root partition, after a clean shutdown, cutting power for about 5 minutes and enabling it again and booting up the syystem the BIOS says there's no data on the hard disk, it can only see the EFI partition, the other is "Unknown" |
| 12:10.07 | gpunk | transhuman_: i found a tuto in french , but at least you have the correct isos |
| 12:10.13 | gpunk | interested? |
| 12:10.34 | Plushfish | beli: Hmm, okay, but it only happens on XFS here, doesn't what distribution I install |
| 12:10.57 | Plushfish | +matter |
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| 12:11.40 | jelly | Plushfish: it might be your hardware lies about having written data to disk. Consumer SSD and HDD devices often do that by default. |
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| 12:11.47 | wppp | hi |
| 12:12.43 | beli | Plushfish: check your drive with a long smartctl |
| 12:12.49 | Plushfish | jelly: Hm, I have a Seagate FireCuda, it's a SSHD |
| 12:13.04 | Plushfish | And it's a brand new drive, aready checked it |
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| 12:13.08 | Plushfish | *already |
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| 12:14.07 | jelly | Plushfish: I guess it's possible that model has issues but isn't blacklisted in Debian's kernel yet |
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| 12:14.25 | Plushfish | "yet" :O |
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| 12:14.48 | Plushfish | Well, ext4 etc works very good, no issues, it only happens on XFS |
| 12:15.00 | Plushfish | That's what makes it weird |
| 12:15.32 | beli | Plushfish: tried with a newer kernel already? |
| 12:15.47 | Plushfish | Tried with 4.12 from sid |
| 12:15.59 | Plushfish | and stable (49) |
| 12:16.02 | Plushfish | * 4.9 |
| 12:16.05 | jelly | Plushfish: if you can file a bug report for linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 package, and mention you can definitely reproduce data loss with xfs and that sshd model, kernel people can try figuring out what kind of blacklist, if any, needs to be added |
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| 12:16.29 | Plushfish | jelly: I can if you like. |
| 12:16.51 | jelly | it will help future users that try xfs on that disk |
| 12:17.01 | Plushfish | I see |
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| 12:18.03 | jelly | Plushfish: perhaps ask in #debian-kernel (on irc.oftc.net, different network), what sort of extra details would they need in the report |
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| 12:20.02 | gpunk | transhuman_: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian8.9/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ |
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| 12:41.00 | telnes | hello, why "dpkg -l xinetd" retuen not packet , and when I run "apt-get install -s xinetd" he want to install xinetd ? what is the name for this package ? |
| 12:41.08 | telnes | to search it with dpkg |
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| 12:41.38 | gpunk | apt search xinetd |
| 12:41.50 | telnes | I test |
| 12:42.07 | telnes | xinetd/oldstable 1:2.3.15-3 amd64 |
| 12:42.14 | telnes | mm |
| 12:42.56 | petn-randall | ,v xinetd |
| 12:42.57 | judd | Package: xinetd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.3.14-7.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.3.15-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.3.15-3; stretch: 1:2.3.15-7; buster: 1:2.3.15.1-1; sid: 1:2.3.15.1-1 |
| 12:43.51 | telnes | maybe it is not always the role of dpkg to tell me the name, when package is not installed |
| 12:44.02 | telnes | sometime dpkg tell me |
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| 12:44.41 | telnes | maybe it s me ... |
| 12:44.43 | telnes | :D |
| 12:45.11 | telnes | thanks |
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| 13:00.22 | Gamera | hi, I need 32bit debian for an old machine, which iso should I use that has the most stuff? |
| 13:00.31 | Gamera | that will do the most complete install |
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| 13:03.32 | LioneLL | magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8cda668220e9869d451e94d3950c0d5f51bbb530&dn=debian-live-9.1.0-i386-gnome%2bnonfree.iso&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbttracker.debian.org%3a6969%2fannounce |
| 13:04.54 | LioneLL | Gamera: with 'text install' |
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| 13:07.41 | transhuman_ | gpunk, sorry I missed your post, what is tuto? |
| 13:08.12 | gpunk | it is ok , the liks were dead anyway , but i posted another good link |
| 13:08.22 | gpunk | did you see it? |
| 13:08.37 | transhuman_ | thanks! |
| 13:08.44 | gpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.48 | transhuman_ | just swa it now thanks! |
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| 13:10.16 | doslas | hi |
| 13:10.29 | ForceRecon | when I launch seahorse from terminal I get a bunch of errors.. it runs but there are issues.. Is there another way to be running it? |
| 13:11.41 | doslas | i need to live stream to youtube by 360p with ffmpeg or vlc????????????? |
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| 13:12.30 | doslas | Stream status Bad 720p Stream? |
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| 13:12.53 | ForceRecon | doslas: you might want to try out OBS.. It is really pretty good.. not sure on your question though but OBS might just have the settings you need on the interface |
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| 13:13.11 | doslas | i need make it 360p |
| 13:13.28 | doslas | obs dont work |
| 13:13.48 | doslas | obs this |
| 13:13.51 | doslas | Failed to initialize video. Your GPU may not be supported, or your graphics drivers may need to be updated. |
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| 13:16.35 | ForceRecon | that error suggests that you chose OPENGL. Your machine might be too old too. choose an option other than opengl |
| 13:17.21 | ForceRecon | or update your video driver and see if that helps.. if not then you are sol for OBS.. |
| 13:18.50 | doslas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:19.15 | doslas | i work on ffmpeg but 720p |
| 13:19.31 | doslas | i need to config it to 360p????? |
| 13:20.32 | doslas | choose an option other than opengl??? how?? |
| 13:21.17 | gpunk | sdl |
| 13:21.28 | gpunk | is another option |
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| 13:22.35 | doslas | plz help me |
| 13:22.46 | doslas | i need to config it to 360p????? |
| 13:23.01 | ForceRecon | trying to replicate issue.. looking.. be patient |
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| 13:27.03 | ForceRecon | see if these guys can help you more #ffmpeg |
| 13:27.21 | sandiego | https://paste.debian.net/983867/ can someone check this output and tell me why i have so many sound cards?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 13:27.41 | sandiego | 5 total whe it should be only 1 ati/hdmi |
| 13:27.53 | sandiego | i think the firmware is not that great |
| 13:27.56 | sandiego | :P |
| 13:28.44 | ForceRecon | do you have sound on your motherboard? |
| 13:28.47 | petn-randall | sandiego: Your onboard sound card, then your intel graphics chip can do hdmi, and the same for your AMD chip. |
| 13:28.49 | ForceRecon | do you have a sound card installed |
| 13:28.58 | sandiego | ohhh |
| 13:28.59 | gpunk | thats what you got dude :p |
| 13:29.02 | ForceRecon | and what petn-randall said |
| 13:29.34 | sandiego | can you help me configuring the hdmi link i show above ? i hear the music with much crackling sound loads of noises not comiing in the music etc... |
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| 13:30.40 | doslas | OK i wait any one to help |
| 13:31.20 | towo^work | sandiego, where you see 5 audio devices? |
| 13:31.25 | towo^work | i only see 2 |
| 13:31.39 | towo^work | 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio [8086:a170] (rev 31) |
| 13:31.39 | towo^work | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Fiji HDMI/DP Audio [Radeon R9 Nano / FURY/FURY X] [1002:aae8] |
| 13:31.43 | sandiego | 00:1f.3 |
| 13:31.46 | sandiego | 1) |
| 13:31.51 | sandiego | 01:00.1 |
| 13:31.54 | sandiego | 2) |
| 13:31.59 | sandiego | 00:1f.3 |
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| 13:32.05 | sandiego | etc... |
| 13:32.06 | towo^work | open your eyes |
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| 13:32.24 | sandiego | ahh 3 |
| 13:32.24 | towo^work | 00:1f.3 (1) = 00:1f.3 (3) |
| 13:32.26 | sandiego | right |
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| 13:32.35 | sandiego | help me towo |
| 13:33.05 | towo^work | sandiego, as i sayed earlyer, i do not use hdmi sound |
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| 13:33.29 | sandiego | is it dp |
| 13:33.32 | sandiego | ? |
| 13:33.34 | sandiego | displayport |
| 13:33.36 | sandiego | your |
| 13:33.56 | gunix | sandiego: are you into rap music? |
| 13:34.01 | sandiego | nahhh |
| 13:34.04 | sandiego | tecnho |
| 13:34.08 | sandiego | and house |
| 13:34.10 | gunix | there is a german rapper named sun diego |
| 13:34.49 | gunix | sandiego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8yFXdylYRU |
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| 13:41.09 | sandiego | ok |
| 13:41.12 | sandiego | brb |
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| 13:48.42 | ForceRecon | doslas: go to #ffmpeg as requested and they just told me you need to : add -vf "scale=-1:360" to his call options. |
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| 13:49.04 | ForceRecon | (the -1 will preserve aspect ratio and rescale the width accordingly so that it fits the new height) |
| 13:49.15 | doslas | ok |
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| 13:50.43 | doslas | https://pastebin.com/F6WszwFz |
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| 13:51.06 | doslas | this is my ffmpeg conf |
| 13:51.14 | doslas | <ForceRecon> |
| 13:51.36 | ForceRecon | doslas: go to #ffmpeg <-- click that link.. show them there.. they made the thing.. |
| 13:52.19 | doslas | <ForceRecon> ok |
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| 14:13.33 | Rico | hello |
| 14:13.50 | Rico | I upgraded a server from debian 7 to 8 then 9, and I have a problem with systemd |
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| 14:14.00 | Rico | # systemd |
| 14:14.03 | Rico | Trying to run as user instance, but the system has not been booted with systemd. |
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| 14:14.45 | apollo13 | Rico: cat /proc/cmdline and ls -l /sbin/init |
| 14:15.38 | Rico | apollo13: seems fine to me : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/565006 |
| 14:16.16 | apollo13 | can systemctl connect to the main systemd? |
| 14:16.24 | Rico | nop |
| 14:16.30 | Rico | root@lapalma:/usr/local/src# systemctl -a |
| 14:16.30 | Rico | Failed to list units: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 |
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| 14:16.54 | petn-randall | Rico: Running 'systemd' gives me the same output. What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 14:17.06 | Rico | petn-randall: ^ |
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| 14:17.32 | Rico | systemctl -a returns an error // systemctl is not working at all |
| 14:17.58 | apollo13 | dbus is running? |
| 14:18.01 | petn-randall | Rico: when you run 'systemctl', what output do you get? |
| 14:18.11 | Rico | apollo13: yes |
| 14:18.16 | apollo13 | gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.systemd1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/systemd1 |
| 14:18.18 | apollo13 | says what? |
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| 14:18.34 | apollo13 | but I remember some polkit problems in the past |
| 14:18.49 | Rico | apollo13: dont'have gdbus, do I have to install it ? |
| 14:19.01 | Rico | petn-randall : Failed to list units: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 |
| 14:19.15 | apollo13 | Rico: yeah, it would be in libglib2.0-bin |
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| 14:19.56 | Rico | apollo13: http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/565007 |
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| 14:20.13 | Rico | (runlevel returns 2) |
| 14:20.57 | apollo13 | sounds like a dbus issue to me |
| 14:21.42 | petn-randall | Rico: Have you rebooted since upgrade? |
| 14:21.49 | Rico | yes |
| 14:21.53 | Rico | many times |
| 14:22.01 | Rico | will try tommorow again |
| 14:22.05 | Rico | tomorrow |
| 14:22.09 | Rico | mmh. |
| 14:22.12 | petn-randall | Rico: 'dpkg --configure -a' returns empty? |
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| 14:22.26 | Rico | petn-randall: yes |
| 14:22.44 | frotz47 | you can try running 'tasksel install standard' and reboot |
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| 14:24.05 | apollo13 | stupid idea, but given that this was a debian 7 at one point, what does ll /var/run /var/lock return? |
| 14:24.14 | Rico | *rebooting* |
| 14:24.37 | apollo13 | oh did you tasksel install something? ie did you miss standard packages? |
| 14:24.57 | Rico | works fine after reboot |
| 14:25.03 | apollo13 | *gg* |
| 14:25.08 | apollo13 | so missing packages apparently |
| 14:25.14 | Rico | maybe |
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| 14:25.20 | Rico | old server ... |
| 14:25.23 | Rico | thanks all guys |
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| 14:25.55 | petn-randall | Rico: Wait |
| 14:26.09 | Rico | petn-randall: yep ? |
| 14:26.25 | petn-randall | Rico: Can you show us what was installed? The last entry of /var/log/apt/history.log would be great. |
| 14:26.52 | petn-randall | Rico: systemd might be missing a dependency or something. |
| 14:27.04 | Rico | petn-randall: yes, but I uninstalled / reinstalled a lot of stuff... will pastebin that |
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| 14:27.40 | petn-randall | Rico: Just the last bit of all installed packages between broken and fixed state is enough. |
| 14:27.53 | Rico | ok |
| 14:28.54 | Rico | petn-randall: don't think it will help... http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/565008 |
| 14:28.58 | Rico | maybe it was before that |
| 14:29.32 | Rico | as I said I tried to debug for a few hours without rebooting host |
| 14:29.46 | Rico | so maybe I fixed the problem hours ago and it just needed a reboot |
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| 14:30.09 | petn-randall | Rico: But you ran 'tasksel install standard', right? Is there an enty for that? |
| 14:30.12 | Rico | I upgraded another host from 7.x to 9.1 the same way, did not have any problem |
| 14:30.31 | Rico | petn-randall: tasksel install standard just installed vim-tiny (...) |
| 14:30.31 | petn-randall | entry even |
| 14:30.42 | petn-randall | Rico: Hmm, ok then, nevermind. |
| 14:30.47 | Rico | thanks anyway |
| 14:30.54 | Rico | have to go, bye ! |
| 14:31.03 | petn-randall | Rico: Have fun, bye! |
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| 14:32.55 | transhuman_ | gpunk just to get the run down on that second link , does the mini.iso inlude all the other files or should I some how create a live cd or a usb drive to put them on? Or alternatively can I just burn mini.iso to cdrom and boot from that? do you know? |
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| 14:37.33 | Gamera | hey I'm wanting to install debian on a thinkpad x31 |
| 14:37.42 | Gamera | a more than ten year old laptop |
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| 14:38.57 | petn-randall | Gamera: Go ahead, shouldn't be a problem. |
| 14:39.08 | Gamera | what do I use |
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| 14:39.11 | Gamera | x386 |
| 14:39.15 | Gamera | x686 |
| 14:39.43 | Gamera | it's a thinkpad x31 |
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| 14:40.42 | petn-randall | Gamera: Since it's a 32 bit Intel, you should go with the network installer for i386. |
| 14:40.52 | kenny__ | anyone run parrot os and ran into the issue with it not finding your interneal wifi adapter? |
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| 14:41.58 | Gamera | it doesn't have intel |
| 14:42.06 | Gamera | I mean it doesn't have net access |
| 14:42.34 | petn-randall | kenny__: You can ask in their channel, this is for Debian support only. |
| 14:42.37 | petn-randall | !parrot |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 14:42.41 | petn-randall | kenny__: ^^^ |
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| 14:42.53 | kenny__ | oh nice thank you |
| 14:43.36 | Gamera | what's the most complete iso I could use for a thinkpad x31 |
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| 14:44.52 | petn-randall | Gamera: I'd go with the netinstaller, otherwise you'll be downloading 20+ CDs for your x31. |
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| 14:47.01 | Gamera | I don't even know if the installer will support the ethernet let alone the wifi |
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| 14:48.47 | kenny__ | that was kinda a pointless server for parrot lol |
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| 14:49.40 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 14:49.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 14:50.23 | petn-randall | Gamera: I'd assume so, thinkpad hw support has always been quite good on Linux. |
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| 15:52.24 | boxrick | Hello peops, I have a USB install of the ISO file for Debian. I intend to put a pre-seed file on here. Is there a 'correct' way of inserting it. IE should it be done to the ISO itself or rather inserted into the USB stick after it has been created? |
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| 15:58.38 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 16:16.29 | pacha | is it possible to create a "delete rule" on a .deb package? like "on install delete /usr/bin/conflict and forbid creation again" |
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| 16:19.43 | martin__ | greetings |
| 16:20.18 | martin__ | I installed debian on my virtual machine (hyer-v) and I cant see the ip adress of this virtual machine with ip link show |
| 16:20.25 | martin__ | it displays only the mac adress |
| 16:20.45 | martin__ | i need the ip adress of the virtual machine so im able to connect via xrdp from windows to debian |
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| 16:23.06 | martin__ | how do I get the ipv4 adress in debian 9 ? |
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| 16:25.46 | SwedeMike | martin__: typically your hypervisor solution would include a DHCP server that would hand out addresses. So you'd need to configure debian client to use DHCP |
| 16:26.33 | martin__ | SwedeMike: I'm on xfce. Is there a xfce network managerà |
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| 16:27.33 | GrayShade | hi, quick question, what happens with debian testing after a release? |
| 16:27.52 | jelly | martin__: dunno if there is, but you can configure network the classic way |
| 16:27.54 | jelly | !interfaces |
| 16:27.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 16:28.03 | GrayShade | does it switch to the testing version of the following release? |
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| 16:29.13 | annadane | GrayShade, if you have testing in your sources list it will continue to follow testing |
| 16:29.16 | martin__ | thanks |
| 16:29.29 | annadane | so when buster releases, if you have testing you'll start using bullseye |
| 16:29.30 | Gamera | which 32bit iso would result in a working install |
| 16:29.33 | GrayShade | annadane: so it's a perpetual rolling release? |
| 16:29.36 | Gamera | for a computer that doesn't have net at the momeny |
| 16:29.37 | annadane | GrayShade, yes |
| 16:29.51 | annadane | GrayShade, in order to stop that you'd have to specify the name of the release |
| 16:29.54 | GrayShade | with no required upgrade process like when upgrading stable to next stable? |
| 16:30.24 | annadane | GrayShade, well, there's a freeze so you'd get a little bit of that |
| 16:30.27 | jelly | GrayShade: and no promise of any upgrades working at all |
| 16:30.58 | GrayShade | jelly: yeah, that comes with testing :) |
| 16:31.44 | GrayShade | annadane: think i got it, thanks! |
| 16:32.07 | jelly | GrayShade: debian has no rolling release, both testing and unstable slow down _significantly_ during the freeze part of the release cycle, and speed up right after a stable release happens |
| 16:32.18 | annadane | you can specify the name of the release aka "stable" "testing" or the codename "jessie" "stretch" and it will basically do what it says on the tin |
| 16:32.50 | annadane | most people prefer to use codenames so they don't get unpleasant surprises when a new stable is released |
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| 16:33.12 | GrayShade | annadane: i know, but i'm more of a rolling release person, so... |
| 16:33.15 | jelly | GrayShade: pointing a system to "testing" right after a release basically guarantees interesting breakage of all sorts; if you want to track debian's development it's probably better to track unstable. |
| 16:33.31 | GrayShade | jelly: oh, interesting |
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| 16:33.55 | annadane | sure, just explaining the general theory if you weren't aware |
| 16:34.03 | annadane | i'm on sid myself :P |
| 16:34.12 | jelly | GrayShade: or wait a couple weeks-months after a release for things to stabilize _somewhat_, then switch to new testing |
| 16:34.59 | GrayShade | jelly: so the idea would be to stay on testing, switch to release right before, wait a bit and switch back to testing? |
| 16:35.01 | jelly | GrayShade: and the easiest way to do that is NOT use "testing" in sources, but the codename for testing. |
| 16:35.11 | jelly | yes |
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| 16:35.25 | jelly | GrayShade: or just keep using codenames. |
| 16:35.40 | GrayShade | right, it makes sense, then |
| 16:36.04 | jelly | eg. switch to "buster" now, after buster becomes stable, wait a bit, then switch to "bullseye" |
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| 16:36.52 | GrayShade | got it, thanks for clearing it up |
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| 16:41.05 | GrayShade | one more question :D. in the past i've had some trouble with Ubuntu release upgrades bricking the system (recently a colleague encountered a "cannot find /sbin/init" after such an upgrade) |
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| 16:41.28 | GrayShade | should i expect Debian to behave better on upgrades? |
| 16:42.28 | petn-randall | GrayShade: I haven't had a failed upgrade in 10 years now. But you can still shoot yourself in the foot as with any other Linux distro. |
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| 16:42.52 | GrayShade | i mean.. Ubuntu is supposed to be friendly with beginners and things like that, but forgetting to install systemd on an upgrade doesn't sound particularly friendly to me |
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| 16:43.05 | drinks2go | I thought in-place upgrades are generally discouraged |
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| 16:44.01 | anasule | how do you reinstall the so modules in /usr/lib/apache2/modules my idiot collegue deleted all three mpm files following a guide |
| 16:44.47 | martin__ | jelly: SwedeMike I did the providen steps from the networkconfiguration guide https://paste.debian.net/983904/ But the output of ip link show is still the same |
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| 16:47.12 | petn-randall | drinks2go: You're maybe thinking of RedHat or CentOS? In Debian it's explicitely supported (see the release notes), and it's actively encouraged. |
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| 16:49.59 | drinks2go | petn-randall: Thanks! Ah yeah, I think I might have had the docs for something which is partially closed source, based on Debian... :P Shall not mention in chan. What usually causes upgrade tools to fail?? Franken-Debians? |
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| 16:50.35 | GrayShade | bah, so every "ubuntu vs. debian" page says that ubuntu is easier to use |
| 16:50.56 | GrayShade | and "debian is for experts" |
| 16:50.59 | petn-randall | drinks2go: Mostly that, yes. |
| 16:51.12 | drinks2go | petn-randall: Thank you! |
| 16:52.29 | drinks2go | GrayShade: sounds like a matter of opinions. Ubuntu is Debian-based anyhow. |
| 16:52.43 | GrayShade | drinks2go: i know, i'm... asking for a friend |
| 16:52.51 | magyar | hi, how do I get the list of commands for judd? |
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| 16:57.06 | drinks2go | GrayShade: I don't think either distro is really for "experts"! Whats the problem exactly? |
| 16:57.44 | GrayShade | drinks2go: maybe switch to #debian-offtopic? :) |
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| 17:23.18 | Sia- | hi, on of the things i liked on linux desktops was amazing faster browsing in net. in compare to win and mac. bus since 2015 this is no more. i've changed few browsers, with without adblocker. removed cache ...etc. still if use browser, in the TOP almost 78% CPU is web-content. website like amazon, facebook, cnn, ...etc extremely slow. Any idea whats happen to linux desktops or gui? |
| 17:23.48 | Sia- | bus = but* |
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| 17:27.27 | Sia- | Hats off to abrotman , i joined #debian in 2005 you was very helpfull and still active. Do you really exist or you are some kind of this character in WestWorld :) |
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| 17:27.41 | abrotman | Uh, hello |
| 17:27.47 | mr__tea | Sia-: hehe |
| 17:28.15 | drinks2go | !offtopic |
| 17:28.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:28.23 | abrotman | Sia-: have you done some tracing to see where the time is going? |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | Sia-: such as, is it attempting a v6 connection that you can't make, and then falling back to v4? |
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| 17:29.26 | Sia- | ok turning off V6 can fix it? ok i'll try it |
| 17:29.39 | abrotman | no, I didn't say that |
| 17:29.45 | abrotman | I asked if you checked if that might be a possible issue |
| 17:30.07 | ChmEarl | Sia in firefox about:config, network.dns.disableIPv6 <-- set true |
| 17:30.23 | abrotman | IPv6 should work generally, but I'm suggesting check to see if that might be an issue. Bad DNS in your resolvconf is another. Or could just be your wifi driver |
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| 17:30.50 | abrotman | you should almost never have to disable IPv6 |
| 17:30.58 | Sia- | ok thanks ill try it, actually i'm on LAN |
| 17:31.09 | abrotman | nor should you want to |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | you should make things work better :) |
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| 17:31.35 | Sia- | Thanks again |
| 17:31.47 | abrotman | don't be a luddite, embrace all the addressing :) |
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| 17:33.40 | jelly | go fix python 2 libraries that do all sorts of broken assumptions, then I'll consider not ipv6.disable=1 |
| 17:34.02 | DammitJim | what do you guys suggest I do on a server that seems like someone is trying to ssh into (besides taking it off the network LOL) |
| 17:34.20 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Disable password login? |
| 17:34.31 | Dagger | like which libraries? I've yet to see any Python libraries break that badly |
| 17:34.34 | jelly | DammitJim: install fail2ban to save disk space for logs |
| 17:34.39 | DammitJim | at this time I can't until I get the customer to get on board with this |
| 17:34.56 | DammitJim | fail2ban was something I had looked in the past... time to review probably |
| 17:35.05 | Dagger | I've seen ones which fail to use the v6, but not ones which fail to use anything else just because there's v6 present |
| 17:35.47 | jelly | Dagger: stuff from Twisted |
| 17:36.16 | jelly | did exactly the latter around wheezy or jessie |
| 17:36.35 | Dagger | I've used programs that use Twisted; v4 worked |
| 17:36.45 | jelly | good for you |
| 17:36.51 | jelly | judd: ping |
| 17:36.52 | judd | pong |
| 17:37.06 | abrotman | v4 worked? |
| 17:37.21 | jelly | ^^ this bot basically had to have ipv4 addresses hardcoded |
| 17:38.04 | Dagger | v6 should also work fine in current versions of Twisted, if I'm reading the bug reports correctly, but you shouldn't need to be disabling v6 even for the older versions |
| 17:38.36 | jelly | and those current versions will be in Debian 10? 11? |
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| 17:39.57 | jelly | ,depends supybot |
| 17:39.58 | judd | Package supybot in stretch/amd64 -- depends: python, python:any (<< 2.8), python:any (>= 2.7.5-5~). |
| 17:40.16 | _Vi | Where are short command line options of "debuild" documented? "man debuild" or "debuild --help" does not show about "-us" or "-uc" or "-i". |
| 17:40.17 | jelly | ,suggests supybot |
| 17:40.18 | judd | Package supybot in stretch/amd64 -- suggests: python-twisted-core, python-twisted-names, python-sqlite, python-dictclient, python-dateutil. |
| 17:40.30 | Dagger | bug closed 5 years ago, so it should be in current stable |
| 17:40.43 | jelly | _Vi: it passed most of those down to dpkg-buildpackage, so look there |
| 17:40.48 | jelly | passes* |
| 17:41.02 | _Vi | What is the difference between debuild and dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 17:41.33 | _Vi | Maybe some popular dpkg-buildpackage's options should also be listed on debuild's manpage? |
| 17:41.35 | jelly | _Vi: THAT's covered in man debuild |
| 17:41.42 | awal1 | I don't see in apt/apt-get manuals/docs how to make them more verbose/explicit regarding (auto)removals because of dependencies issues as aptitude does. or I'm missing something? |
| 17:41.46 | jelly | like the second sentence |
| 17:43.30 | jelly | _Vi: man pages avoid redundancy. There's usually a SEE ALSO section for further details and related commands/functions. |
| 17:43.53 | jelly | they're structured as a reference... manual |
| 17:44.03 | _Vi | OK. |
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| 17:45.15 | jelly | if you need "how do I build packages" or "how do I go from source code to package", there are other docs |
| 17:45.20 | jelly | !nmg |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 17:45.25 | _Vi | Maybe "debuild --help" should also call "dpkg-buildpackage --help" to provide comprehensive list of options for those who are in hurry and don't know about the difference? |
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| 17:45.53 | awal1 | maybe newer versions of apt will incorporate some aptitude features |
| 17:45.57 | jelly | _Vi: that may be worth filing a bug report, Severity: wishlist |
| 17:46.37 | _Vi | jelly, Is there any precedent of one program (highlevel) calling --help of another? |
| 17:47.12 | jelly | I think I've seen ./configure --help do things like that |
| 17:47.43 | _Vi | For example, `git log --help`s page just duplicates many `git rev-list --help` items. |
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| 17:48.01 | jelly | git is a horrible example for anything |
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| 17:48.41 | jelly | its features and command names have grown organically |
| 17:49.02 | apollo13 | na it is a good example for a working vcs |
| 17:49.10 | apollo13 | but the ui sucks :D |
| 17:49.48 | GNU\colossus | https://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/ helps illustrate this |
| 17:50.10 | jelly | everything is called the wrong way, compared to other vcses |
| 17:50.46 | apollo13 | *shrugs* |
| 17:51.01 | apollo13 | I've used hg and bzr more than I wanted -- still coming back to git every other day |
| 17:51.34 | jelly | git probably works better than both of those, but at least the commands in mercurial make SENSE |
| 17:52.31 | apollo13 | as I said: the ui sucks, but concept wise I'll take git over the others every day |
| 17:52.37 | jelly | nod |
| 17:53.20 | jelly | by that measure, powershell is the best shell :-) |
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| 17:53.42 | apollo13 | also the tooling around it (gitlab/ci/cd etc) puts it quite ahead of the alternatives imo |
| 17:53.51 | _Vi | Related bug report about manpages: #773388 |
| 17:53.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/773388 in devscripts (open): «debuild: Please add undocumented options to manpage»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-12-17; last modified: 2014-12-18. |
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| 17:57.49 | Maid-Chan | hrm...so i just started thunar on my pi using xforwarding and the icons render unlike my HTPC running debian proper. So it would seem the problem of icons not rendering in thunar when xforwarding is a problem specifically with debian? |
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| 18:06.15 | awal1 | dpkg: pi |
| 18:06.15 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:07.05 | jelly | Maid-Chan: X11forwarding can be weird, what are you running on the X server side (ssh client side)? |
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| 18:13.30 | Maid-Chan | jelly, putty for ssh and xming for xserver |
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| 18:15.32 | jelly | it's interesting that xming deals well with basically same app from raspbian. Perhaps there's a different gtk theme and/or different icons and/or different way of rendering them |
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| 18:22.41 | nwe | how does the priority work with preseed (partman) ? |
| 18:22.50 | Maid-Chan | gtk theme or icons could be it. the icons do look different than the ones i see when i use thunar locally on the HTPC. |
| 18:23.25 | Maid-Chan | it seems odd though that that would be the case. doesn't the viewer need to download the icons from the host in either case? |
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| 18:27.13 | jelly | yes and no. X is weird, when you run things on local console with a local X server, you get lots of extra extensions to the X11 protocol, that enable things like accelerated vector (ttf, opentype) fonts and similar |
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| 18:28.27 | jelly | when you use X11 forwarding, some, but not all, of the extensions that X server has, can be used, some can't, some fall back to pure software rendering, and some just fail |
| 18:28.40 | jelly | Try running an OpenGL app over X11Forwarding |
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| 18:33.07 | th0r | I could never troubleshoot two issues at the same time....allways found it confusing |
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| 18:34.50 | jelly | th0r: clearly you're a male |
| 18:35.00 | jelly | hides |
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| 18:37.09 | bolt_ | pours custard on jelly |
| 18:37.17 | bolt_ | om nom |
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| 18:45.21 | SpeccyMan | just a trifle lol |
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| 18:52.25 | n4dir | now that ifconfig and such is said to be obsolete. Is there a page on wiki.debian or (better) a dpkg-bot info bout "ip" ? |
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| 18:59.52 | tomreyn | there are man pages |
| 19:00.06 | saint_cussed | hey |
| 19:00.19 | n4dir | tomreyn: no shitting? |
| 19:00.34 | mnuhmnuh | n4dir: network-manager applet does all that's necessary here |
| 19:00.50 | jelly | n4dir: there's a tiny chapter in the release notes |
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| 19:01.12 | n4dir | jelly: will try that. "tiny" is probably enough for my needs. |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 19:01.33 | saint_cussed | debian is the most complete linux distro |
| 19:03.18 | n4dir | jelly: looks good. I usually compared "ifconfig" with "ifconfig -a". What would be the according ip commands? |
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| 19:04.09 | jelly | n4dir: is there a difference between "ifconfig" and "ifconfig -a"? |
| 19:04.28 | frazr | yes, ifconfig -a shows all the interfaces, inactive ones aswell |
| 19:04.45 | danielh1234 | I found that resizing ext4 with resize2fs results in directory mtime update when its inode changes. Is this intended or a bug? Tested on fresh stretch VM. See http://paste.debian.net/hidden/778d8813/ . (also odd but probably ok: m/somedir mtime can be outside [pre,post], see paste) |
| 19:04.54 | tomreyn | n4dir: there is also help available by the command itself for every object, just append 'help' |
| 19:04.54 | n4dir | jelly: assuming i am right: the -a argument would show .... frazr said it already. I used it to figure out if the wireless driver works or not |
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| 19:05.48 | jelly | n4dir: "ip a" is the rough equivalent to both |
| 19:06.22 | jelly | I don't have a machine with inactive ifaces to see what that looks like at all |
| 19:07.01 | n4dir | jelly: yes. that is my problem too. Right now i can't find a way to test it. My main thought is to slowly switch commands, not a real need right now. |
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| 19:08.02 | jelly | danielh1234: why are you doing an offline resize? |
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| 19:08.45 | jelly | danielh1234: does this happen online as well? |
| 19:09.47 | jelly | the most common scenario for resize2fs is online growing of a mounted filesystem |
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| 19:10.26 | danielh1234 | it said online shrinking is not supported, so I did it offline. Now I saw that all my dir mtimes have been capped. |
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| 19:11.13 | danielh1234 | jelly: is there a better way to shrink? |
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| 19:11.58 | jelly | no, shrinking has to be done offline, and there's probably no way to avoid changing at least some dirs in that case |
| 19:12.26 | jelly | I'd say it was more a feature than a bug in this case |
| 19:13.21 | jelly | because fs structures were actually changed and moved around |
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| 19:15.16 | jelly | danielh1234: for fun, you might want to populate a bit more, with some files that take space, see if some dirs end up not changing |
| 19:16.14 | danielh1234 | jelly: ctime I could understand but is changing mtime really desirable in this case? Now I have all my data with files that have correct mtime, even unpacked libraries with 15+ years age, but all dir mtimes are capped at the resize. |
| 19:16.18 | jelly | shrinking with resize2fs is often a lot slower than doing a complete backup, reformating a smaller fs, and restoring |
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| 19:17.11 | Maid-Chan | wait is jelly not male? |
| 19:17.12 | danielh1234 | jelly: Thats what I did, I resized my main partition about a month ago, my main data directory is completely changed, /usr, /lib etc have some older dirs. |
| 19:17.13 | jelly | danielh1234: it's probably a bug |
| 19:17.49 | jelly | shrinking is used a LOT less than growing |
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| 19:18.22 | jelly | Maid-Chan: that's not really relevant is it now |
| 19:19.04 | Maid-Chan | jelly, sorry was reacting to something you said(just now read scrollback) at any rate if you are not "hello fellow female type person. :P" |
| 19:19.33 | jelly | Maid-Chan: note I did not state anything about my own capability for multitasking |
| 19:19.55 | Maid-Chan | ahh. guess i may have made a fulty inferance. :P |
| 19:20.01 | jelly | but anyway, --> #debian-offtopic |
| 19:20.43 | danielh1234 | jelly: In this case shrinking was the easiest way. Thanks for you opinion. |
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| 19:21.28 | Maid-Chan | any chance ya'll have any experience connecting to windows samba shares? as far as i've gotten i think that i need to issue a mount command with the account credentials present on the windows system. but with the new live authentication i'm not even sure what username to give mount. |
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| 19:23.41 | jelly | Maid-Chan: probably the thing "whoami" command reports in cmd.exe |
| 19:24.16 | Maid-Chan | sweet thanx. didn't know that command. i'm guessing it's newer than dos 6.22 :p |
| 19:24.36 | jelly | stole it from unix, they did |
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| 19:35.34 | malp | hi |
| 19:35.52 | malp | how can i mount a remote window share from debian? |
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| 19:36.22 | Maid-Chan | lolz malp that's what i'm in the process of trying to figure out. still getting permission denied from mount though. :P |
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| 19:37.29 | malp | Maid-Chan: this worked in an oder version of debian for me: mount -t cifs //192.168.100.77/Share /mnt/Share/ -o username=user1,uid=user1 |
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| 19:38.49 | Maid-Chan | what i just tried >> mount -t cifs -o user=[whoami],password=[microsoftpasswd],rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 //192.168.1.124/Movies /media/THOR/Movies |
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| 19:39.44 | Maid-Chan | looks like pretty much the same approach. btw what version is your win machine? i'm on win10. |
| 19:41.26 | malp | 8.1 |
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| 19:43.49 | malp | Maid-Chan: apt-get install cifs-utils |
| 19:43.52 | malp | that did it for me |
| 19:43.56 | malp | works now |
| 19:44.06 | Maid-Chan | already installed that...or wait maybe i did on the other machine. |
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| 19:44.50 | Maid-Chan | do you use local account or microsoftaccount? |
| 19:45.11 | Maid-Chan | yep already had it. |
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| 19:45.45 | malp | username=WindowsAccount, uid=localLinuxUserAccount |
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| 19:46.36 | Maid-Chan | ahh so your email address then? |
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| 19:47.04 | apollo13 | why would you even use a live account? *shrug* |
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| 19:48.12 | Maid-Chan | apollo13 you need one in order to use stuff like the store/xbox live messenger(which i use to contact some friends who insist on owning the new xbox) |
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| 19:48.54 | Maid-Chan | also gives a degree of built in settings synchronization between my systems. |
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| 19:50.10 | SuperSeriousCat | And personal data synchronization to MS's systems :] They are really going full Apple now |
| 19:50.57 | Maid-Chan | personal data only if you are a nitwit who uses your personal data within their purview. |
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| 19:51.33 | Maid-Chan | if my declared name on the MS account is Ugly Transexual Maid and that's the only name I ever let MS see then who cares if they see it? :P |
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| 19:51.43 | will_ | hello |
| 19:51.58 | will_ | been looking for a solution online cant seem to settle |
| 19:52.11 | will_ | I need to enable tap to click for my touchpad |
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| 19:52.27 | Maid-Chan | i wish i could disable that. |
| 19:52.27 | will_ | solutions I've found refer to directories that do not exist |
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| 19:52.30 | SuperSeriousCat | They get your profile anyway :p But its OT here |
| 19:52.41 | will_ | Maid-Chan, whyyyy |
| 19:52.55 | will_ | such a pain to double click this hard button |
| 19:53.15 | Maid-Chan | because i'd rather deliberatly controll using the physical button on my keypad then accidentally click (like i do so often) when i go to swipe. |
| 19:53.18 | will_ | plus i have to stop controlling the mouse for a bit too |
| 19:53.25 | will_ | hmm i see |
| 19:53.46 | will_ | i only run into that when typing, and even then, i disable mousepad via hotkey |
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| 19:53.53 | will_ | so no ne here knows how to fix this? |
| 19:54.16 | Maid-Chan | i'm surprised it isn't on by defult honestly. maybe it's a hardware setting in your particular pad? |
| 19:54.17 | will_ | ok how about keyboard shortcut to open a program |
| 19:54.40 | will_ | Im coming from mint and ctrl+alt+t would open a terminal. I miss that and would like to enable |
| 19:55.49 | will_ | anyone, no? |
| 19:56.06 | Maid-Chan | not off the top of my head but i imagine it should be possible |
| 19:56.24 | SuperSeriousCat | will_, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/268451/how-to-activate-the-hotkeys-in-linux-debian-8-jessie-gnome-3-de |
| 19:56.29 | greycat | Keyboard event triggers are a function of your window manager or Desktop Environment. You will have to say which one you use, and hope someone who uses that one AND who knows the answer is here. |
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| 19:57.04 | greycat | But yeah, GNOME 3 is a good guess when someone doesn't say what they use. :-/ |
| 19:57.22 | will_ | when i was installing, i chose several. I dont know which one was used by default |
| 19:57.35 | will_ | gnome is hideous i know its definitly not that |
| 19:57.40 | Maid-Chan | well it's easy in xfce then |
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| 19:57.55 | will_ | I've used mate extansively, and i know its not that either |
| 19:57.58 | Maid-Chan | greycat, really? the debian install media gave me xfce by defult. |
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| 19:58.34 | greycat | The regular netinst that 99% of people SHOULD be using, which is NOT a "Live" CD image, defaults to GNOME. Last time I checked. |
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| 19:58.55 | jelly | Maid-Chan: then you used nondefault installed media, possibly one matching *XFCE*.iso |
| 19:59.00 | Maid-Chan | sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager << this is the command i used to make my pi use xfce and it also reported what i already had. |
| 19:59.00 | jelly | installation* |
| 19:59.12 | n4dir | will_: in the terminal click on help or such, in the menu, and check it's name. That should give a hint which environment you use |
| 19:59.18 | Maid-Chan | greycat the cd i used was netless and not live. |
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| 19:59.35 | n4dir | or just tell a couple of apps you find in the menu (firefox won't be of help duh) |
| 20:00.13 | Maid-Chan | ohh nvm the iso says live. odd it didn't ever let me go to a debian desktop. |
| 20:00.24 | will_ | Help title: GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
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| 20:00.32 | Quatroking | uggghhh I'm trying to mount a samba share but no matter what I try I can only create/remove using root |
| 20:00.52 | will_ | i have mate terminal and xfce terminal |
| 20:00.58 | n4dir | hmm .. kde should be konsole, xfce should be xfce4-terminal .. |
| 20:00.59 | will_ | i have gnote |
| 20:01.18 | Maid-Chan | jelly debian-live-8.8.0-i386-standard.iso claims it's standard. |
| 20:01.27 | will_ | mate dictionary too |
| 20:01.29 | greycat | It says "live". |
| 20:01.29 | n4dir | will_: try "ps ax | grep session" |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | live = not netinst |
| 20:01.57 | Maid-Chan | yeah my ISP was down when i did the install. |
| 20:02.20 | will_ | n4dir, 676 tty1 Ssl+ 0:00 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wayland-session gnome-session |
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| 20:02.28 | n4dir | will_: if all that fails, make a screenshot and upload it. though xfce4 sound reasonable. If so: you can set keyboard-shortcuts in the settings. It is straight forward. |
| 20:02.30 | will_ | saw a lot of "gnome" in the output |
| 20:02.40 | n4dir | will_: gnome: i am out. I don't know it at all :-) sorry |
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| 20:03.19 | will_ | http://imgur.com/a/TT59d |
| 20:03.32 | will_ | i really doubted it was gnome |
| 20:03.49 | will_ | i would have prefered the more windows-like navigation of mate/mint |
| 20:03.55 | will_ | but i dont know how to chnge that lol |
| 20:04.05 | n4dir | well, will_ perhaps this will help https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en |
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| 20:04.32 | n4dir | like said: i am over my head here. might well be info of no use. |
| 20:04.47 | Maid-Chan | will_ the command i gave lets you switch. |
| 20:05.15 | will_ | its not gnome that i can confirm now |
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| 20:05.51 | greycat | !install mate |
| 20:05.51 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 20:06.49 | ceramik | ² |
| 20:07.16 | n4dir | will_: looks like mate ... |
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| 20:07.31 | greycat | There is also "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" if you have multiple desktop environments installed. |
| 20:07.33 | will_ | n4dir, it is, that i know now |
| 20:07.44 | will_ | in Mint the nav bar was always at the bottom though |
| 20:07.54 | will_ | i thought all Mate environments were like that |
| 20:07.57 | Maid-Chan | yeah it's how it's configured. |
| 20:08.11 | Maid-Chan | mate and xfce are both pretty customizable. |
| 20:08.41 | will_ | how is mint so smooth and fluent/light; whereas debian which is it based off of, is so sluggish |
| 20:08.54 | will_ | im on inferior hardware. but mint runs way better on my laptop |
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| 20:09.20 | Maid-Chan | haven't experienced that myself. then again maybe that's just "both are smoother than windows" |
| 20:09.31 | will_ | I cant suspend this os, because its frozen when i come back or shows me a black screen and a frozen mouse. Forcing me to do a hard shutdown |
| 20:09.37 | greycat | Sounds like you may need to install some non-free firmware, or switch drivers. |
| 20:09.47 | will_ | now where do i get there |
| 20:09.52 | will_ | these* |
| 20:09.59 | greycat | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 20:10.17 | Maid-Chan | i'd guess the non-free repo? |
| 20:10.49 | greycat | Well, first step is to figure out whether you actually need any, and if so, which ones. The dmesg output should tell you what filenames. |
| 20:11.06 | n4dir | will_: http://securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/some-useful-tips-for-the-linux-mate-desktop/#toc-use-the-mate-tweak-tool-to-modify-your-desktop |
| 20:11.08 | Maid-Chan | that's a fair point for sure |
| 20:11.10 | will_ | https://pastebin.com/pW75De5N |
| 20:11.41 | will_ | n4dir, THANK YOU |
| 20:11.44 | will_ | mwah |
| 20:11.57 | n4dir | first chec if it works. :-) |
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| 20:14.34 | will_ | n4dir, https://pastebin.com/uuZuMNFh :( |
| 20:14.44 | will_ | wanted to install; didnt go well |
| 20:15.29 | will_ | oh no my laptop is almost dead; I'll return later guys, but thank you |
| 20:15.33 | n4dir | don't use ubuntu repositories on debian. |
| 20:15.38 | n4dir | never. |
| 20:15.44 | will_ | arent they similar enough? |
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| 20:15.49 | n4dir | no. |
| 20:15.54 | will_ | worked fine in Mint :( |
| 20:15.55 | will_ | ok |
| 20:16.23 | n4dir | will_: really. |
| 20:16.33 | n4dir | this is a good way to disaster. |
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| 20:17.32 | n4dir | xfce is a good , confortable and easy to configure environment. Consider switching to it ( or hope someone can tell you how to configure keyboard-shortcuts in mate) |
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| 20:18.14 | annadane | dpkg: tell will_ about based on debian |
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| 20:48.54 | Xeon3D | Can anyone point me to an iso of the latest release available for an iMac G5? |
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| 20:55.34 | boblamont | what's the absolute minimum size a partition should be to install 9.1.0? |
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| 20:56.23 | Trap-Chan | is there a domain argument for the mount command? |
| 20:56.50 | armin | Trap-Chan: what should that do? |
| 20:56.53 | annadane | boblamont, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en |
| 20:57.18 | Trap-Chan | armin don't know but i was reading online that by setting their domain to outlook.com they were able to get windows 10 sharing to work. |
| 20:57.39 | armin | Trap-Chan: what filesystem? |
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| 20:58.07 | armin | Trap-Chan: also i have zero idea what "windows 10 sharing" should be. |
| 20:58.33 | Trap-Chan | i'm trying to share a folder from windows 10 to debian |
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| 21:00.11 | Trap-Chan | hrm set domain=gmail.com and still permission denied. |
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| 21:01.41 | armin | Trap-Chan: see the "man mount.cifs" man page and look for "domain=". |
| 21:02.02 | armin | Trap-Chan: mount.cifs -o username=windowsusername //192.168.x.x/windowsshare /mnt |
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| 21:02.06 | Trap-Chan | yeah did that. |
| 21:02.15 | armin | hm, no idea then. |
| 21:03.09 | netzach | hello |
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| 21:06.33 | Trap-Chan | hrm replacing all the user/pass/domain stuff with guest did something different. dunno what yet. |
| 21:06.46 | Trap-Chan | it's like it's hung. |
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| 21:07.32 | netzach | hello |
| 21:07.48 | annadane | netzach, just ask your question |
| 21:08.15 | n4dir | Xeon3D: iirc debian dropped support for ppc. You will have to use the actual old-stable. |
| 21:08.19 | n4dir | jessie ? |
| 21:08.27 | netzach | I am wondering if there is a procecure to do a patch for a pckage |
| 21:08.29 | netzach | I never done it |
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| 21:14.51 | Henry151 | hi #debian |
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| 21:14.59 | Henry151 | I'm trying to add a network printer |
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| 21:15.51 | Henry151 | I ran system-config-printer, typed in the URI, selected the model from the list, hit next, now I'm on the screen where you set the name and location, and when I hit "apply", nothing happens |
| 21:15.55 | Henry151 | any idea why not? |
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| 21:19.55 | Henry151 | or any advice on how to add the printer another way? |
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| 21:20.20 | Henry151 | i'm going to cross-post this question in ##linux. |
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| 21:25.18 | mnuhmnuh | does this look correct (~/.xsession for mate)? http://paste.debian.net/983942/ |
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| 21:49.24 | malp | hi, i installed SDL2, but when i run QEMU, it says it cant fuind it |
| 21:49.27 | malp | i also ran ldconfig |
| 21:49.31 | malp | what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:51.22 | DerLGm | malp: in my exp its syntax err |
| 21:51.46 | malp | DerLGm: what should i do to fix it? |
| 21:52.19 | DerLGm | read more manuals(tutotials) |
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| 21:57.02 | cruncher | malp, you have to give more detaisl so people here can help you |
| 21:57.17 | cruncher | malp, what did you exactly install, what do you exactly enter, how you run exactly qemu |
| 21:57.29 | malp | cruncher: it turned out the correct package wasnt actually installed |
| 21:57.33 | malp | i installed and it worked |
| 21:57.36 | malp | thanks :) |
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| 22:11.10 | techtonic | hi |
| 22:11.37 | techtonic | is there a wau to make the default screenshot program on debian to save into a different location? |
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| 22:18.34 | drinks2go | techtonic gnome, plasma, xfce, lxde, mate? what desktop environment. or commandline? |
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| 22:19.56 | malp | i modified my etc/network/interfaces file to add my bridge, but every time i reboot, brctl shows i have no bridge |
| 22:20.00 | malp | any idea what im oing wrong? |
| 22:20.02 | malp | doing* |
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| 22:22.27 | malp | actually, when i do ifup xenbr0, i get an error that it cant even FIND interface xenbr0 |
| 22:22.33 | malp | although its in the interfaces file |
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| 22:25.23 | format_c | malp, what does your interfaces entry for your bridge look like? |
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| 22:26.14 | malp | format_c: ok, it sees it not |
| 22:26.20 | malp | i fixed the syntax |
| 22:26.22 | malp | i had a problem |
| 22:26.32 | malp | how can i stop eth0 from always getting an IP whenever it comes up? |
| 22:26.42 | malp | i think only xenbr0 is supposed to have an IP |
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| 22:27.06 | format_c | I don't use xen but a manual bridge setup |
| 22:27.14 | format_c | Let's put this aside |
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| 22:28.44 | format_c | malp, whatch the new window popping up |
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| 22:31.37 | format_c | malp, are you still there? |
| 22:31.42 | malp | yea |
| 22:31.48 | malp | i did dhclient -r |
| 22:31.53 | malp | i did dhclient -r eth0 |
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| 22:32.04 | format_c | Have you seen the PM I opened? |
| 22:32.04 | malp | that released the IP |
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| 22:41.53 | techtonic | drinks2go: I'm using gnome |
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| 22:55.42 | abrotman | techtonic: it's probably in Gconf .. |
| 22:55.44 | abrotman | looks |
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| 22:57.25 | drinks2go | lol |
| 22:58.18 | abrotman | lolololol |
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| 22:58.40 | abrotman | techtonic: using dconf-editor, search for "screenshot", and see if changing that default save dir makes the change for you |
| 22:59.20 | finlstrm | hey everybody... |
| 22:59.47 | finlstrm | I'm on debian testing.. anyone know why telegram-desktop was removed from the repos???? |
| 23:00.04 | finlstrm | it just got autoremoved with my latest apt dist-upgrade |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | techtonic: oh, I'm seeing other notes that says it's no longer possible to change that |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | judd: versions telegram-desktop |
| 23:00.22 | judd | Package: telegram-desktop on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.19-1+b1 |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | finlstrm: did you check the BTS? |
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| 23:01.26 | finlstrm | nope... looking now |
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| 23:03.27 | finlstrm | abrotman: thanks, this looks like it would be a problem - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859172. but what's wried is I just installed it the other day just fine.... |
| 23:03.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/859172 in telegram-desktop (open, upstream): «telegram-desktop: Segmentfault due to lack of libappindicator3-1 library dep»; severity: important; opened: 2017-03-31; last modified: 2017-08-07. |
| 23:04.26 | finlstrm | back to the tarball from telegram.org I guess until it's resolved... |
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| 23:13.15 | techtonic | abrotman: oh so if I can not change it in settings I assume it's hardcoded so I will have to download the source and change it in the code? |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | techtonic: or symlink |
| 23:14.58 | techtonic | abrotman: I want to keep my Pictures directory how it is and just create another directory there for screenshots |
| 23:15.27 | techtonic | abrotman: editing the code is probably the only option for that? |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | or ask #gnome |
| 23:16.12 | techtonic | I will thanks! |
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| 23:22.15 | shinigami | hello |
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| 23:23.53 | techtonic | hi |
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| 23:25.55 | BlakBat | hi!. I'm planning on removing net.ifnames=0 from the grub cmdline, but I'd like to figure out what will be the persistant name before switching it. Any way I can do this? |
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| 23:37.08 | a0x51 | hi, i need libgcrypt11 to inject a script into half-life. However i am on jessie and I can't find the package libgcrypt11-dev didn't seem to do the trick |
| 23:37.55 | a0x51 | I can't find the deb package for jessie either i386 is wheezy version. would that suffice or would that be the start of a frankendebian? |
| 23:38.37 | a0x51 | !dpkg libgcrypt11 |
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| 23:38.52 | a0x51 | hmm |
| 23:39.47 | annadane | ,v ligbcrypt11 |
| 23:39.48 | judd | No package named 'ligbcrypt11' was found in amd64. |
| 23:40.00 | annadane | er |
| 23:40.04 | annadane | ,v libgcrypt11 |
| 23:40.05 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u6 |
| 23:40.48 | a0x51 | ah thanks! |
| 23:41.32 | a0x51 | could I use that in jessie? or would it not be advised? I am assuming not |
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| 23:42.10 | techtonic | libgcrypt11-dev/stable 1.5.4-3+really1.7.6-2+deb9u2 amd64 |
| 23:42.10 | techtonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:42.50 | techtonic | oh wait sorry that's for debian 9 |
| 23:43.37 | a0x51 | there is only the -dev version for jessie and it doesn't seem to fool the script into injecting. Instead it segfaults |
| 23:43.49 | a0x51 | maybe I should ask the developer or try and help him with it |
| 23:44.42 | techtonic | there is libgcrypt20 |
| 23:44.49 | techtonic | will that work? |
| 23:44.56 | Henry151 | hi #debian |
| 23:45.04 | a0x51 | yes this wants libgcrypt.11.so specifically |
| 23:45.22 | a0x51 | sorry. libgcrypt.so.11 |
| 23:45.24 | Henry151 | is there any log that stores things that are printed to the terminal? i.e. if I did "cat somefile.txt" earlier, but now I've deleted somefile.txt, can I recover it from some log somewhere? |
| 23:46.03 | techtonic | a0x51: if versoin 20 doesn't work then maybe ask the developer |
| 23:46.16 | Henry151 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.45 | techtonic | Henry151: ~/.bash_history |
| 23:47.09 | techtonic | Henry151: it stores a list of commands |
| 23:47.33 | Henry151 | techtonic: only commands though, not their outputs |
| 23:48.53 | techtonic | Henry151: I don't think gnu/linux stores all command's outputs. You would have to store them yourself or if it's some program you are using maybe it stores the logs |
| 23:49.45 | techtonic | Henry151: if you deleted a file try file recovery |
| 23:49.56 | Henry151 | techtonic: how's file recovery work? |
| 23:50.08 | Arrowmaster | you could use script but you would need to run it before the commands you want to save the output of |
| 23:50.16 | Henry151 | hm. |
| 23:50.32 | Henry151 | I've already deleted the files in question |
| 23:51.00 | techtonic | Henry151: when you delete something that thing isn't actually removed from the hard drive, it's just marked for the OS that it can be overwritten. So if your OS haven't overwritten that space yet you can recover the file |
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| 23:53.44 | techtonic | Henry151: if it was something important disconnect that drive or shut down the PC and boot it from a CD or usb stick otherwise it might get overwritten. That's the first step. Then you need some software for files recovery. Unfortunately I don't know any |
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| 23:55.58 | Henry151 | thanks techtonic |
| 23:56.08 | Henry151 | it wasn't very critical |
| 23:56.24 | Henry151 | so i'll skip it... just thought there might be an easy way, in which case I would do it |
| 23:56.26 | techtonic | no problem :) well it's good to know for the future anyway |
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