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| 00:00.47 | ghftr | l am geologiest |
| 00:00.52 | mrRC | so what kind of questions can you ask here? |
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| 00:01.55 | ghftr | l work mounains |
| 00:02.05 | ghftr | explore mining |
| 00:02.23 | annadane | ghftr, this is for debian support, not off topic chat. again, #debian-offtopic |
| 00:02.37 | ghftr | ok thanx |
| 00:02.43 | annadane | mrRC, questions related to debian stable, with an emphasis towards support, solving people's problems |
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| 00:06.11 | mrRC | why is Debian prefereble above Android, Windows or iOS? |
| 00:06.55 | bazhang | great topic for the offtopic channel mrRC |
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| 00:11.09 | mrRC | #debianofftopic |
| 00:11.33 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
| 00:11.41 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:12.09 | mrRC | thanks a lot <3 |
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| 00:22.59 | Luigisd | Build-Depends dependency for linux cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package debhelper can't satisfy version requirements |
| 00:23.08 | Luigisd | why this answer ? |
| 00:25.07 | Luigisd | apt-get build-dep ; this was the command |
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| 00:28.13 | Luigisd | as wrong version |
| 00:28.17 | Luigisd | strange |
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| 00:40.40 | Luigisd | !help |
| 00:40.48 | bazhang | with what |
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| 00:42.14 | bazhang | Luigisd, better to just state your issue |
| 00:43.22 | Luigisd | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:43.22 | Luigisd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.22 | Luigisd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.22 | Luigisd | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
| 00:43.38 | Luigisd | different versions |
| 00:43.51 | trek00 | Luigisd: mixing backports can be the problem |
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| 00:44.18 | Luigisd | the blakport are correct |
| 00:44.40 | bazhang | Luigisd, mixing them |
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| 00:44.53 | trek00 | may be more verobe logging can help: apt-get build-dep -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true |
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| 00:45.52 | Luigisd | https://pastebin.com/UEubyChe |
| 00:46.08 | Luigisd | 8.9 |
| 00:47.38 | Luigisd | all jessie |
| 00:47.52 | Luigisd | how force apt-get to install a packet? |
| 00:47.59 | trek00 | Luigisd: try a more verbose logging |
| 00:49.19 | Plasticbox | Luigisd, apt-get -f install gives the same error? |
| 00:49.46 | Luigisd | -f ; force ? |
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| 00:50.07 | Luigisd | undocument flag |
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| 00:50.41 | Luigisd | the same |
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| 00:53.25 | Luigisd | I must re-install this machine with 9 |
| 00:53.36 | Luigisd | from 0, no upgrade |
| 00:55.13 | trek00 | Luigisd: if apt-get build-dep is now ok, to force the installation of a .deb file you can do dpkg -i --force-depends filename.deb |
| 00:56.18 | Luigisd | with dpkg is dangerous, cause if are fight thay may lock machine |
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| 00:57.54 | Plasticbox | I think aptitude can offer a downgrade package |
| 00:59.41 | uxfi | hi folks |
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| 01:01.01 | Plasticbox | sudo aptitude install libglib2.0-dev |
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| 01:05.13 | Luigisd | I upgraded this server from ssh about 2 mounth ago, I must re-install from zero all |
| 01:05.44 | Luigisd | dedicate server 64gbyte ram , 8core I7 cpu |
| 01:06.37 | Plasticbox | right fresh install takes minutes to do |
| 01:07.12 | Plasticbox | back-ups and images make it so a child can do it |
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| 01:13.45 | solidstatedrive | LOL |
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| 01:15.30 | solidstatedrive | the jews are so funny |
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| 01:16.00 | mnuhmnuh | solidstatedrive: no funnier than anyone else. |
| 01:16.20 | solidstatedrive | mnuhmnuh: yeah their noses make them look funnier |
| 01:16.22 | Plasticbox | are they using debian? |
| 01:16.36 | solidstatedrive | Plasticbox: only when they hacking |
| 01:16.45 | solidstatedrive | and usually they hire russians to do the hacking for them |
| 01:16.47 | annadane | !ops abuse |
| 01:16.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about: abuse |
| 01:16.47 | solidstatedrive | so no |
| 01:17.02 | solidstatedrive | !ops annadane making vague reports using !ops |
| 01:17.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: solidstatedrive complains about: annadane making vague reports using !ops |
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| 01:17.54 | mnuhmnuh | solidstatedrive: consider #debian-offtopic |
| 01:18.20 | solidstatedrive | mnuhmnuh: o.k. |
| 01:19.55 | annadane | mnuhmnuh, not sure that kind of thing is tolerated there, either |
| 01:20.03 | mnuhmnuh | solidstatedrive: maybe even on freenet. they might even enjoy the distraction. |
| 01:20.23 | solidstatedrive | whats freenet? |
| 01:20.31 | mnuhmnuh | freenode, but we're already there! yuk. |
| 01:21.57 | Sveta | Luigisd: upgrade requires complete reinstall ? |
| 01:22.03 | Sveta | Luigisd: why ? |
| 01:22.27 | Luigisd | upgrade not ever go good |
| 01:22.38 | Luigisd | sometime remains some old files, etc |
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| 02:35.43 | AlexLikeRock | alternative to sendmail |
| 02:36.05 | AlexLikeRock | i send and they no delivery to ***@yahoo.com |
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| 02:37.20 | mnuhmnuh | AlexLikeRock: exim, postfix, pop, ldap, ... |
| 02:37.37 | psychoghost | Thunderbird? |
| 02:37.50 | psychoghost | Or you want terminal solution |
| 02:37.51 | mnuhmnuh | mutt? |
| 02:38.04 | AlexLikeRock | i need to send by PHP |
| 02:38.12 | AlexLikeRock | terminal solution |
| 02:38.21 | psychoghost | OK |
| 02:38.23 | mnuhmnuh | mutt |
| 02:38.42 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 02:39.11 | AlexLikeRock | do i need open ports ? |
| 02:39.17 | AlexLikeRock | ( to send) |
| 02:40.11 | mnuhmnuh | handles mail brilliantly, easily configged, call correct helper progs to handle non-mail functionality; file format handling, crypto, ... |
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| 02:41.43 | AlexLikeRock | this line : |
| 02:41.46 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.57 | AlexLikeRock | remplace with : |
| 02:42.18 | AlexLikeRock | mutt($destino,$asunto,$mensaje,"FROM: $remitente"); |
| 02:42.23 | AlexLikeRock | like this ??? |
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| 02:45.53 | mnuhmnuh | AlexLikeRock: at command line, "mutt"; or you can "mutt -to blah@... -a=attch.file ... # man mutt & verify. |
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| 02:46.56 | AlexLikeRock | i send out, but not appear at yahoo.com |
| 02:47.03 | AlexLikeRock | spam empy |
| 02:47.08 | AlexLikeRock | :-/ |
| 02:48.13 | mnuhmnuh | decided he'd played w email long after it'd been long dead, once $world went intead to facebook & twitter. not goin' there. |
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| 02:49.30 | AlexLikeRock | mnuhmnuh, the "@" never remplace |
| 02:50.00 | AlexLikeRock | is still necessary to work |
| 02:50.45 | mnuhmnuh | AlexLikeRock: trust me, it works famously, large number of greybeards swear by it, lots of example configs online out there. well supported. |
| 02:51.44 | mnuhmnuh | may need to "\" escape it? dunno. |
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| 02:54.27 | mnuhmnuh | command line: journalctl -b -0 -n 40 |
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| 03:08.48 | dingo_ | trying to change window manager. i have used update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and changed to i3. when i reboot i notice no change. i have edited .config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/desktop.conf to read window-manger=i3. this time on reboot i see i3 config window for split second before it disappear behind other wm(?) i can see toolbar, and open windows, but cannot see the windows |
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| 03:08.57 | dingo_ | any help appreciated. i has google and read a lot, but no fix. many thanks |
| 03:09.39 | lobo-checo | hi there, I want to install linux, have only 140GB, what size of partitions have I to create? |
| 03:09.55 | TrollSlayer | apt is saying that the official repos dont have a release file. What to do? |
| 03:10.19 | dvs | lobo-checo, I'd create a 10GB root and the rest for /home |
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| 03:12.04 | lobo-checo | hi dvs |
| 03:12.13 | dvs | hello |
| 03:12.15 | lobo-checo | and the 3rd one for caching_ |
| 03:12.15 | lobo-checo | ? |
| 03:12.19 | nvz | lobo-checo: are you looking to use all that space for debian? you really only need one partition but there are advantages to using several, keeping /home seperate will help you be able to reinstall without wiping out or backing up personal data nad settings, and swap parition doesn't hurt. You use case (desktop, mailserver, webserver, etc) and such are relevant details to what setup you may want |
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| 03:12.23 | mnuhmnuh | dingo_: wm should be choosable in gui user login, xdm, kdm, lightdm, ... |
| 03:12.39 | nvz | mnuhmnuh: I think he's looking to just change the WM within the DE |
| 03:12.51 | dvs | lobo-checo, caching? |
| 03:13.01 | annadane | TrollSlayer, what package are you trying to install? |
| 03:13.03 | nvz | which as I recall lxde has its own config tool like gconf/dconf |
| 03:13.03 | dvs | cacheing what/ |
| 03:13.08 | annadane | package(s) |
| 03:13.21 | dingo_ | mnuhmnuh: i am not seeing option to change wm at login. using raspbian. |
| 03:13.22 | lobo-checo | dvs, sure I will create at least 2, the other one for /home |
| 03:13.26 | dingo_ | nvz: yes |
| 03:13.49 | lobo-checo | dvs: I had linux in the past a short time, there were allways 3 partions |
| 03:14.10 | dvs | lobo-checo, you don't really need a /boot partition |
| 03:14.12 | lobo-checo | system, home and a small 3. |
| 03:14.17 | nvz | dingo_: you'd find the setting somewhere in the lxde config tool I'm sure, but this is not a channel for supporting raspbian |
| 03:14.36 | lobo-checo | it was meant for caching or something |
| 03:14.50 | dingo_ | nvz: understood about raspbian, i was hoping since debian base... |
| 03:15.09 | dingo_ | also, raspbian help is very quiet |
| 03:15.18 | mnuhmnuh | dingo_: if you've gui login, you have your current offering "System" gui config tools. |
| 03:15.19 | dvs | lobo-checo, you don't need a third partition for "caching". That would just end up on root |
| 03:15.30 | nvz | lobo-checo: you're probably thinking of swap, its what is used when you run out of ram its good to have because it keeps the system from locking up andmerely slows down while its swapping giving you time to address the issu |
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| 03:16.00 | dvs | ah, that's right. |
| 03:16.01 | lobo-checo | yes |
| 03:16.02 | AlexLikeRock | im back |
| 03:16.03 | lobo-checo | swap |
| 03:16.07 | nvz | lobo-checo: how much swap you may want/need depends again on your use case and how much ram you have |
| 03:16.32 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/984193/ mnuhmnuh |
| 03:16.34 | dvs | lobo-checo, I'd just make that between one and two times the size of RAM |
| 03:16.42 | lobo-checo | I have AMD dual core 3GB RAM |
| 03:17.00 | lobo-checo | 2800GHz |
| 03:17.04 | nvz | lobo-checo: short version is you never want to swap if you can help it, but it helps to have if you carelessly select 1000 files and tell them to open in the gimp or open too many tabs or a buggy webpage in firefox and it starts eating up all your ram |
| 03:17.06 | lobo-checo | an old PC |
| 03:17.10 | AlexLikeRock | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 8.7 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz (800MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.1 GiB Free) Swap: 2.7 GiB Total (2.7 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 205.7 GB / 209.4 GB (3.7 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub ⢠Uptime: 5m 41s |
| 03:17.19 | AlexLikeRock | lobo-checo, |
| 03:17.42 | TrollSlayer | annadane sudo |
| 03:17.43 | TrollSlayer | lol |
| 03:17.51 | lobo-checo | hi alexbligh1 |
| 03:18.04 | annadane | TrollSlayer, |
| 03:18.05 | annadane | !bat |
| 03:18.06 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:18.18 | lobo-checo | ok, also 10GB root |
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| 03:19.20 | dvs | lobo-checo, yeah between 10GB and 20GB. You won't need more than that. |
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| 03:19.31 | lobo-checo | ok 15 |
| 03:19.39 | lobo-checo | right? |
| 03:19.43 | dvs | ok |
| 03:19.48 | lobo-checo | and I dont open 100Tabs |
| 03:19.56 | lobo-checo | so, I dont need swap |
| 03:19.58 | lobo-checo | right? |
| 03:20.11 | dvs | lobo-checo, you can get by without it. |
| 03:20.24 | dvs | lobo-checo, unless you want to use hibernate |
| 03:20.37 | klys | if you want hibernation you need a swap partition |
| 03:20.38 | lobo-checo | no, I hate hibernate. |
| 03:20.44 | mr-tordoide | Is it risky to use buster repo in stretch for now? |
| 03:20.48 | lobo-checo | by the way right now I am here with xp |
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| 03:21.31 | mr-tordoide | I tried using buster repo and upgrading but got some issues with plasma-desktop-data package |
| 03:21.32 | lobo-checo | I have some big problems with win 7, not sure where the problem is |
| 03:21.40 | lobo-checo | if the HDD, or windows |
| 03:21.53 | lobo-checo | so I desided to put debian |
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| 03:22.03 | nvz | lobo-checo: you can always create a swap file on one of your partitions later. but I strongly disagree with the assessment that you dont need sawp unless you hibernate. this machine has 4gb ram and my father frequently opens 30 or more tabs in firefox which eats up about 3GB ram.. if you do something that uses all your ram your machine will deadlock if you dont have ANY swap, where swap will merely slow you do |
| 03:22.03 | lobo-checo | also Kanotix, which is debian based |
| 03:22.09 | nvz | wn and allow you to address the issue by closing programs |
| 03:22.45 | lobo-checo | nvz: Ok, how bich should it be in my case? |
| 03:22.45 | mr-tordoide | Hi, can anyone help me? |
| 03:22.48 | lobo-checo | big |
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| 03:23.10 | dvs | mr-tordoide, #debian-next on OFTC |
| 03:23.28 | mr-tordoide | sorry? |
| 03:23.37 | annadane | mr-tordoide, do not mix buster and stretch |
| 03:23.55 | annadane | dpkg: tell mr-tordoide about frankendebian |
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| 03:24.34 | mr-tordoide | but everything worked fine while using stretch repos in jessie |
| 03:24.46 | annadane | mr-tordoide, then you got lucky |
| 03:24.49 | nvz | lobo-checo: again you don't have to make a seperate partition you can make swap files at any time as needed. the old rule of thumb was at least your ram size or 2.5x it, but thats far less true today as pcs have a LOT more ram. it depends on your use case. I'd recommend you install, see what your typical ram usage will be first then you can create swap files later. unless you want to dedicate a few gigs now, w |
| 03:24.55 | nvz | hich you cant as easily recover later if you change your mind like you can with swap files |
| 03:25.01 | annadane | dpkg: tell mr-tordoide about backports |
| 03:25.09 | lobo-checo | nvz: what size should it have, please?? |
| 03:25.34 | dvs | lobo-checo, if you want swap, between 3GB and 6GB |
| 03:25.49 | lobo-checo | ok, thank you |
| 03:26.16 | mr-tordoide | annadane: so i should go with backports rather than using real buster repo? |
| 03:26.55 | annadane | mr-tordoide, yes, you can either use the backports other people have used at backports.debian.org or backport packages yourself |
| 03:27.07 | annadane | mr-tordoide, https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 03:27.13 | mr-tordoide | annadane: and just wanted to know how will i upgrade to buster when it becomes stable? |
| 03:27.29 | annadane | mr-tordoide, replace stretch with buster in your sources list |
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| 03:27.58 | annadane | (then apt update, and read the release notes) |
| 03:28.04 | annadane | (on the debian website) |
| 03:28.05 | mr-tordoide | okay. that is after buster becomes stable right? |
| 03:28.14 | annadane | mr-tordoide, yes |
| 03:28.27 | mr-tordoide | okay. Thank you. |
| 03:28.33 | dvs | mr-tordoide, no, buster becomes stable when the Debian project declares it as such |
| 03:28.57 | mr-tordoide | dvs: okay :) |
| 03:29.00 | annadane | dvs, he's asking about the timing |
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| 03:29.16 | annadane | you put buster in your sources list when buster becomes stable if you want to upgrade to the next stable |
| 03:29.34 | mr-tordoide | annadane: got it. :) |
| 03:29.45 | annadane | probably if we're being really nitpicky, wait a few hours so all the mirrors have a chance to update |
| 03:30.09 | nvz | average release time is about 2 years and stretch just released so you won't have to worry about this anytime soon |
| 03:30.54 | annadane | mr-tordoide, i would remove the buster repo |
| 03:31.13 | annadane | because if you apt install foo, you'll get the latest version of foo which is in your sources list which is buster |
| 03:31.52 | annadane | probably also remove the buster packages you have and apt autoremove, and replace with the stretch versions or backports |
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| 03:32.06 | annadane | otherwise you end up with a broken system |
| 03:32.13 | dvs | he's gone |
| 03:32.19 | annadane | oh well |
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| 03:38.27 | annadane | actually that was probably bad advice |
| 03:40.15 | dvs | shame! ;-) |
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| 03:44.33 | annadane | only in the sense of "you must remove all your buster packages" |
| 03:44.44 | annadane | i should have said "consider it, if it's convenient", which i sort of did say |
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| 03:52.46 | mdroid | could anyone help me with infinality bundle and how to install it on debian9? |
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| 03:54.43 | annadane | mdroid, your mileage may vary, but i did find this https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/4bejrm/infinality_on_debian_stretch_with_ppas/ |
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| 03:55.54 | annadane | disclaimer that that's from a year ago when stretch was testing |
| 03:56.01 | annadane | unless someone has a better answer? |
| 03:56.52 | annadane | mdroid, it's also possible, depending on what desktop environment you're using, that you can simply get the font there |
| 03:57.05 | mnuhmnuh | ppas? |
| 03:57.35 | annadane | yeah, it gives instructions how to do it with a ppa, which i generally don't recommend but not everyone shares the same view |
| 03:57.45 | mdroid | annadane, I use deepin |
| 03:58.47 | annadane | mdroid, probably wait for better responses than that before you potentially break your system |
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| 04:02.32 | veek | http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/17/0903/h_1504411260_2966340_2cda56498c.png how do i figure out the process running on rootd |
| 04:02.50 | annadane | mdroid, https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/4bejrm/infinality_on_debian_stretch_with_ppas/d1b0ydg/ |
| 04:02.53 | veek | lsof -ni did not list it |
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| 04:03.23 | annadane | serves me right for blindly linking without reading the comments |
| 04:05.23 | lobo-checo | is it necessary to add new repositories? For ejemple for vivaldi browser. |
| 04:06.56 | annadane | right, and PPAs are an ubuntu specific thing, i really wasn't thinking at all, sorry mdroid |
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| 04:15.36 | mdroid | annadane, you may there is not way to install it? |
| 04:16.12 | annadane | mdroid, someone who knows more than me can probably answer you better |
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| 04:55.00 | lobo-checo | hi, what is this good for? in a terminal try sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdx , |
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| 04:58.05 | mnuhmnuh | smartmontools |
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| 05:06.04 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/984209 this is what I'm getting trying to connect to freenode. I am on Debian 9 armhf, and able to connect using irssi, but I tarred my config and scp it to a remote Debian 8 amd64 and its giving those errors using the same config. I have it setup to use TLS/SASL |
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| 05:19.11 | maxcell_ | somebody can teach me, if possible, how to remove kde completely with his applications from debian? |
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| 05:20.50 | nvz | maxcell_maxhow did you install it? |
| 05:21.06 | nvz | maxcell_ how did you install it? |
| 05:21.08 | maxcell_ | nvz, i did a net-install and i discover that i like gnome more than kde |
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| 05:21.17 | maxcell_ | nvz, just select kde on the installation |
| 05:21.51 | nvz | maxcell_: oh ok.. well then it used the metapackage most likely, if you remove that metapackage that pulled in all of KDE then do an auto-remove it should work |
| 05:22.00 | Tramp | maxcell_: you can /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 05:22.31 | maxcell_ | what metapackage is that? |
| 05:23.00 | maxcell_ | Tramp, do you think dpkg remove kde will remove kde with all the apps together? |
| 05:23.44 | Tramp | maxcell_: dpkg is the channel bot which you should /msg |
| 05:23.49 | Shmam | Hi guys, trying to reset password for mysql. Ran "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.7". And got this back: Checking if update is needed. This installation of MySQL is already upgraded to 5.7.19, use --force if you still need to run mysql_upgrade. How do I change the root password? |
| 05:24.07 | maxcell_ | Tramp, oh |
| 05:25.42 | maxcell_ | Tramp, it doesn't say that it will remove kde WITH the apps that was installed |
| 05:25.51 | maxcell_ | Tramp, it only say, on the bot, that it will remove KDE |
| 05:26.01 | maxcell_ | so that doesn't work for me |
| 05:26.28 | maxcell_ | nvz, do you know the name of that metapackage? |
| 05:26.33 | nvz | Shmam: its not that simple once a password is set to just use the same method as initially setting it |
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| 05:27.07 | Shmam | Oh. That was what I found in a stack overflow post: https://askubuntu.com/questions/118772/how-to-change-root-password-for-mysql-and-phpmyadmin |
| 05:27.10 | nvz | maxcell_: my guess would be kde-full see if dpkg -l kde-full shows ii at the beginning |
| 05:28.07 | nvz | Shmam: it seems a little outdated but dpkg has a factoid on this /msg dpkg forgot mysqlinitial password |
| 05:28.20 | maxcell_ | nvz, he doesn't found any kde-full |
| 05:28.24 | maxcell_ | didn't |
| 05:28.39 | nvz | maxcell_: are you using Debian 9 Stretch ? |
| 05:28.54 | maxcell_ | nvz, actually, i upgraded to testing |
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| 05:28.59 | maxcell_ | it was stretch |
| 05:29.02 | maxcell_ | than i updated |
| 05:29.19 | maxcell_ | do you think that is problem/ |
| 05:29.40 | Shmam | nvz: "<dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Shmam" |
| 05:30.14 | nvz | Shmam: it was s typo. there is suppose to be a space between mysql and initial |
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| 05:30.47 | Shmam | k |
| 05:31.00 | maxcell_ | nvz, i think i'm going to do a fresh install of Stretch, just to get support and learn more about debian |
| 05:31.32 | Shmam | well that's helpful lol "<dpkg> i don't know" |
| 05:31.58 | nvz | maxcell_: thats probably not a bad idea if you have the time. |
| 05:32.11 | nvz | maxcell_: do you speak spanish or portuguese or something natively? |
| 05:32.14 | maxcell_ | i like testing, because it's a little newer but ok |
| 05:32.19 | maxcell_ | portuguese |
| 05:32.29 | maxcell_ | why |
| 05:33.23 | AlexLikeRock | !ps |
| 05:33.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, ps is a command that reports a snapshot of active processes (`man ps' for more info). Try: `ps auxw' which will report all processes with username in wide format. or ps is fixed in 2.0.3-3, no more segfaults. |
| 05:33.36 | nvz | maxcell_: because you say "he" where you mean "it". In spanish/portugese its the same word in those cases |
| 05:33.56 | maxcell_ | nvz, hahah |
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| 05:34.19 | AlexLikeRock | bravo |
| 05:34.27 | maxcell_ | nvz, interesting, i was treating Debian like a person right |
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| 05:35.58 | nvz | maxcell_: right. personifying it. it portugese/spanish el can mean he/it in english its different |
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| 05:38.09 | nvz | maxcell_: its easily understood what you mean, but it makes it obvious to people who are familiar with languages that you're not a native speaker |
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| 05:39.37 | maxcell_ | nvz, yeah, i get it... that's fine |
| 05:40.08 | nvz | I personally in support situations prefer to know which language so I can better understand those grammar issues and figure out what you're saying |
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| 05:41.51 | nvz | maxcell_: as for the kde thing, maybe you should try #debian-kde because that factoid about removing kde hasn't been updated in 8 years and removing large software suites like that isn't very easy. I personally don't know what the proper way is to do it. |
| 05:42.12 | maxcell_ | nvz, yeah, i need to learn grammar to get better on english. i find me on a place where i can't get better than i already am without it |
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| 05:42.48 | nvz | maxcell_: #debian-kde is on irc.oftc.net and they're a specific support channel for kde on debian. They would better know the current method if you're not going to just reinstall |
| 05:43.18 | maxcell_ | nvz, get it... years ago we have kde-desktop-environment metapackage, but thats gone.. i've tried task-kde and tasksel but that doesn't remove everything either |
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| 05:44.15 | nvz | maxcell_: kde isn't real popular here in this channel. This was the original debian support channel, and its a larger support community but we're mostly long time users who don't really like those bloated DEs |
| 05:46.16 | maxcell_ | nvz, i didn't like kde as well, not because it's bloated but i just didn't like it... i always use gnome, since gnome 2 because i really like GTK but, it giving problems with nvidia proprietary driver |
| 05:46.28 | maxcell_ | so i install kde, and the problem is gone, but i don't like it anyway |
| 05:46.48 | nvz | maxcell_: there is mate which is a fork of gnome 2.x if you want to stay on gnome 2.x |
| 05:47.53 | maxcell_ | i know but, before i try others DEs i need to learn how to remove KDE completely |
| 05:48.06 | maxcell_ | because my system has too many QT apps right now |
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| 05:49.27 | nvz | maxcell_: if I were to just hammer away at it myself on a guess, I'd open a interactive package manager like synaptic or aptitude and I'd look for the packages all the other KDE ones depend on like kde-base or kde lib packages and remove those, which will cause it to mark the others for remove as well |
| 05:50.25 | maxcell_ | so if i remove a kde-lib, all QT apps will be marked as dependencies so i can apt autoremove it? |
| 05:50.34 | nvz | maxcell_: problem is since I haven't used KDE in over a decade I am not sure which packages those are, and the /msg dpkg remove kde factoid is dated 2009 so its pretty out of date as well |
| 05:50.52 | maxcell_ | hmmm |
| 05:51.13 | maxcell_ | i was about to trying the bot command yeah |
| 05:51.14 | nvz | maxcell_: if foo depends on bar, and you remove bar, foo will automatically have to be marked for removal at the same time, no need to auto-remove. you just need to figure out which packages all the others depend on |
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| 05:51.34 | maxcell_ | get it |
| 05:52.07 | maxcell_ | i will relog on mate and try to figure it out |
| 05:52.26 | nvz | maxcell_: doing this in an interactive package manager like aptitude or synaptic would be easiest because you can see a full list of installed packages and mark them for removal and see what others will be removed as well |
| 05:52.57 | maxcell_ | understand |
| 05:52.59 | maxcell_ | i will do that |
| 05:53.30 | maxcell_ | i will install mate and do that from there |
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| 07:19.12 | maxcell_ | nvz, hi |
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| 07:22.23 | maxcell_ | nvz, i manage to uninstall kde completely by using synapse :) |
| 07:23.07 | maxcell_ | nvz, 1.6gb is gone |
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| 07:24.45 | aging | hello! what is the R in the netstat -i flags? i have BMRU |
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| 07:25.53 | aging | R = Running =p |
| 07:26.29 | veek | when running audit, how do you decipher a1 a3 |
| 07:27.21 | veek | exit=6 a0=socket a1=0xb6ae4064 a2=0x0 a3=0xb76531b4 items=0 ppid=1 pid=1019 auid=unset uid=root |
| 07:27.41 | veek | it's hex but that's generated by conky |
| 07:28.33 | veek | b6=182 |
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| 07:35.19 | cruncher | aging, yes, R is Running |
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| 07:36.11 | aging | ok make my 'wlan0' show an R then! =) |
| 07:36.23 | aging | it's always DOWN |
| 07:36.40 | aging | even after ifconfig -nameofwlan0- up |
| 07:37.25 | aging | and why does it show (Ethernet) by it with ifconfig?! |
| 07:37.33 | teraflops | aging: are you using it? |
| 07:37.36 | aging | smashes head |
| 07:37.38 | aging | no |
| 07:37.40 | aging | i wish |
| 07:37.41 | teraflops | :S |
| 07:38.00 | aging | windows w/connection sharing to linux box... ughhh |
| 07:38.01 | teraflops | I bet that's why it's down |
| 07:38.22 | aging | because im not using it? it has atrophied? |
| 07:38.25 | aging | (sp) |
| 07:38.58 | teraflops | k |
| 07:39.40 | aging | it doesnt work w/eth0 off either |
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| 07:40.40 | teraflops | aging: sorry I dont get what your issue is, and youre not helping, so I bail on this one |
| 07:40.53 | aging | oh sorry |
| 07:41.01 | aging | i cant use my wireless adapter |
| 07:41.08 | aging | the module is fine |
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| 07:41.44 | teraflops | and netstat -i output is the way of asking it? |
| 07:41.51 | aging | haha |
| 07:41.58 | aging | well i thought having a R would help |
| 07:42.08 | teraflops | not really |
| 07:42.13 | aging | been working on it for 3 days so i'm getting loopy |
| 07:43.15 | aging | i r c yer our only hope |
| 07:43.46 | teraflops | a simple: my wireless nic does not work, it worked before, the module is ... the pciid/usbid is ...." would have been enough imo |
| 07:44.12 | aging | i just got the adapter (usb) |
| 07:44.15 | aging | has never worked |
| 07:44.22 | aging | took forever to get the module right |
| 07:44.31 | aging | wicd doesnt auth |
| 07:44.36 | aging | got rid of it |
| 07:44.42 | aging | using NetworkManager |
| 07:44.47 | aging | and wpa_supplicant |
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| 07:45.28 | teraflops | you didnt say model/driver yet |
| 07:45.42 | aging | 8812au |
| 07:45.58 | teraflops | that's what realtek? |
| 07:46.06 | aging | yup |
| 07:46.16 | teraflops | holly cow this is not the police interrogating you man |
| 07:46.40 | aging | Netgear, Inc. A6100 db wireless adapter RTL8811AU |
| 07:46.46 | aging | wtf?! youre not the police |
| 07:46.52 | aging | darn |
| 07:47.07 | aging | how are ya? |
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| 07:48.37 | aging | offers you a whitecheddar rice cake |
| 07:48.37 | teraflops | aging: my point is that youre having an issue and I have to ask every bit about it |
| 07:48.47 | teraflops | aging: so https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00440.html ? |
| 07:49.11 | teraflops | which driver did you install and how did you install it? |
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| 07:51.13 | aging | i think i apt-get'd em... i tried em all, https://marcnu.github.io/2016-09-10/How-to-install-Netgear-A6100-USB-Wifi-adapter-on-Ubuntu-16.04/ actually got the adapter to show |
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| 07:51.50 | teraflops | aging: so you have a Netgear-A6100-USB-Wifi-adapter ? |
| 07:52.08 | aging | ya |
| 07:52.10 | aging | i did this |
| 07:52.11 | aging | cd rtl8812AU-driver-4.3.14 |
| 07:52.11 | aging | make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-5 |
| 07:52.11 | aging | sudo make install |
| 07:52.11 | aging | sudo modprobe 8812au |
| 07:52.11 | aging | echo 8812au | sudo tee -a /etc/modules |
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| 07:52.23 | aging | oops |
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| 07:54.35 | teraflops | which steps did you follow, https://marcnu.github.io/2016-09-10/How-to-install-Netgear-A6100-USB-Wifi-adapter-on-Ubuntu-16.04/ or https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU ? |
| 07:55.09 | aging | marcnu |
| 07:55.53 | teraflops | aging: is 8812au module loaded? |
| 07:56.02 | aging | yes |
| 07:56.24 | aging | used 0 by <blank> tho |
| 07:57.28 | teraflops | tried running dmesg -H in one terminal and rmmod 8812au and modprobe 8812au again, and the read dmesg output for any clue? |
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| 07:57.51 | teraflops | because at this point you have to read the logs |
| 07:58.04 | aging | ok i will look at that |
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| 07:59.35 | aging | holy keyboard thats a ton of keyboard |
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| 08:01.24 | aging | i learning tons but not getting the wifi working =p~ |
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| 08:03.05 | teraflops | aging: maybe dmesg -wH is better for you |
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| 08:06.55 | aging | TONS of nolinked power save leave, enter, leave, enter |
| 08:07.23 | teraflops | copy them to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:07.48 | aging | lemme see if i can get on irc from linux machine =) |
| 08:07.55 | aging | w/eth |
| 08:08.29 | aging | theyre all proceeded by RTL871X |
| 08:08.33 | teraflops | aging: the messages at the very moment you load the module would be nice too |
| 08:08.48 | teraflops | aging: so what's te module you have loaded? |
| 08:08.50 | teraflops | the |
| 08:09.26 | aging | it's rtl8812au, but shows up as 8812au |
| 08:09.39 | teraflops | ok |
| 08:09.56 | aging | i think all the old modules ive tried are hanging around, but not loaded |
| 08:10.20 | teraflops | aging: dmesg -Hw in one terminal, rmmod 8812au; modprobe 8812au in another one |
| 08:10.33 | teraflops | then look at the bottom of dmesg terminal ⦠|
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| 08:11.24 | teraflops | aging: 2 terminal, c'mon lets show women men can do 2 things at the same time too :P |
| 08:11.34 | aging | hah |
| 08:11.39 | aging | thats a bit to retype |
| 08:11.46 | teraflops | take your time |
| 08:11.59 | aging | module exit success is the last thing |
| 08:12.01 | aging | then... |
| 08:12.25 | aging | after modprobe |
| 08:12.38 | aging | link is not ready |
| 08:13.05 | aging | renames it to this stupid huge name from wlan0 |
| 08:13.18 | aging | all ipv6 stuff |
| 08:13.25 | aging | no ipv4 |
| 08:13.45 | aging | i wanna get on irc from linux |
| 08:13.52 | aging | copy/past will be nicer |
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| 08:15.14 | teraflops | aging: so the nic came up, not error or warnings at dmesg? |
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| 08:15.57 | aging | i guess.... ADDRCONF stuff |
| 08:16.04 | teraflops | aging: you said youre using Network manager? how? an applet in your Desktop Environment? |
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| 08:16.13 | aging | daemon |
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| 08:16.46 | teraflops | aging: you can copy/paste it to a file and move it to an usb stick, you can also take a bloody photo :P |
| 08:17.07 | mywlan0ishuge | fk that! |
| 08:17.12 | aging | thats me too |
| 08:17.18 | aging | trying to find your paste link thing |
| 08:17.28 | teraflops | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:18.29 | teraflops | aging: btw tou have to be way more specific at the details⦠|
| 08:18.30 | mywlan0ishuge | http://paste.debian.net/984220/ |
| 08:18.34 | teraflops | heh |
| 08:19.19 | aging | maybe i should wait until tomorrow and just move the coax/modem/router to this room |
| 08:19.28 | aging | but i feel that would be giving up |
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| 08:20.04 | teraflops | aging: btw do you hame more wireless adapters there? |
| 08:20.18 | aging | the one on this windows pooter |
| 08:20.22 | teraflops | because RTL871X stuff looks suspicious |
| 08:20.31 | teraflops | aging: mind rmmod it? |
| 08:20.39 | teraflops | RTL871X â this one |
| 08:21.14 | aging | say not currently load |
| 08:21.15 | aging | ed |
| 08:21.33 | aging | can i go del all the old module dirs i added? |
| 08:21.54 | teraflops | aging: so you loaded a lot of shit? :P |
| 08:21.58 | aging | ya |
| 08:22.01 | teraflops | aging: maybe a reboot is better idea |
| 08:22.02 | aging | i went NUTS |
| 08:22.06 | teraflops | ok, np |
| 08:22.08 | aging | oh ive rebooted |
| 08:22.23 | aging | i tried every driver i could find |
| 08:22.24 | teraflops | I see RTL871X there |
| 08:22.39 | aging | rmmod says differnt |
| 08:23.12 | teraflops | mind pasting to same site dmesg | grep -i rtl output? |
| 08:23.23 | ajbone | Hello, im having problems with a delay of 20-30 seconds when authenticating to another debian machine on my local network running sshd and pure-ftp server. it also runs fail2ban. i dont mind reading the docs myself if anyone can point me in the right direction. Thanks. |
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| 08:25.08 | mywlan0ishuge | ENJOY!!!! http://paste.debian.net/984221/ |
| 08:25.14 | teraflops | aging: also, mind explaining how are you using network manager? |
| 08:25.31 | aging | i believe it's a daemon that starts on boot |
| 08:25.38 | aging | no gui |
| 08:25.54 | aging | i have fluxbox |
| 08:26.10 | teraflops | ajbone: sorry I meant lsmod | grep -i rtl my bad |
| 08:26.10 | aging | ive been able to fix more stuff from shell |
| 08:26.27 | aging | will that be smaller? =) |
| 08:26.36 | teraflops | yep :P |
| 08:26.42 | aging | no output |
| 08:27.01 | ajbone | ah okay ill try that thanks |
| 08:27.16 | aging | oh hah |
| 08:27.41 | teraflops | ajbone: oh sorry I was talking to aging I tab failed |
| 08:27.46 | teraflops | heh |
| 08:27.58 | aging | he's showing the women about 2 things |
| 08:27.59 | ajbone | haha all good no worries |
| 08:28.24 | teraflops | aging: hmm, then paste the whole lsmod output please |
| 08:29.27 | mywlan0ishuge | http://paste.debian.net/984222/ |
| 08:30.25 | mywlan0ishuge | this nick rocks |
| 08:30.41 | aging | stfu |
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| 08:31.10 | teraflops | aging: hmm, it looks fine |
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| 08:31.30 | aging | DOH |
| 08:31.33 | teraflops | aging: you said network manager |
| 08:31.36 | aging | ya |
| 08:31.42 | teraflops | how are you setting it up? |
| 08:31.55 | aging | interfaces i guess |
| 08:31.58 | teraflops | in NM obv |
| 08:32.07 | teraflops | aging: no, stop guessing |
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| 08:32.23 | teraflops | how are you setting the interface, where? |
| 08:32.57 | aging | . |
| 08:33.06 | aging | "/etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 08:33.20 | teraflops | that's not Network manager dude |
| 08:33.22 | teraflops | :S |
| 08:33.29 | aging | cool! |
| 08:33.38 | aging | maybe thats a prob |
| 08:33.39 | teraflops | cool? :\ |
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| 08:34.09 | teraflops | aging: please respond accurately to this questions I'm about to ask |
| 08:34.27 | teraflops | did you edit /etc/network/interface file? |
| 08:34.32 | teraflops | interfaces^ |
| 08:34.35 | mywlan0ishuge | ya |
| 08:34.57 | teraflops | do you have network manager daemon running? |
| 08:35.26 | mywlan0ishuge | http:// [ + ] network-manager |
| 08:35.31 | teraflops | huh |
| 08:35.32 | mywlan0ishuge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.34 | mywlan0ishuge | oops |
| 08:35.48 | mywlan0ishuge | from service --stuatus-all |
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| 08:36.07 | mywlan0ishuge | sry theme makes what i type black on black |
| 08:36.28 | aging | and im not fixing that right now |
| 08:36.47 | teraflops | ok, you only want one network management tool running at the same time |
| 08:36.53 | teraflops | so fix that |
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| 08:37.22 | aging | whats the other one? |
| 08:37.26 | aging | ones... |
| 08:37.27 | teraflops | when you decide which one you want to run, use it as the wiki says |
| 08:37.46 | aging | networking and network-manager should not both run? |
| 08:37.49 | teraflops | at this point idk if youre running NM + /e/nTi files at the same time |
| 08:38.13 | teraflops | /e/n/i |
| 08:38.23 | aging | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:38.35 | teraflops | systemctl status name-of-the-unit is fine too |
| 08:38.43 | teraflops | it does bash completion btw |
| 08:39.00 | teraflops | /Etc/Network/Interfaces |
| 08:39.05 | aging | ah |
| 08:39.09 | aging | so one or the other |
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| 08:39.28 | teraflops | yep |
| 08:39.35 | teraflops | aging: also read https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 08:40.03 | Waxhead | Just for information: I tried to install ReactOS 0.4.6 on VirtualBox in Buster. I have btrfs as a root filesystem and while the VM was running I got tons of corruptions (that btrfs luckily fixed). I think this is either caused by a bug in btrfs or something with vboxdrv. Hope someone can take a look into this. |
| 08:40.04 | mywlan0ishuge | http://paste.debian.net/984224/ |
| 08:40.22 | aging | plz look at my services and see if anything else could be causing an issue |
| 08:40.36 | aging | ...off to reading wiki again... |
| 08:40.48 | aging | thanks for all your patience and help |
| 08:40.48 | teraflops | aging: same stands for wicd, only one, either wicd, or NM, or /e/n/i |
| 08:40.52 | teraflops | aging: np |
| 08:41.10 | aging | that turd, i thought i got rid of it |
| 08:41.15 | teraflops | aging: :P |
| 08:41.28 | aging | wiki daemons too =) |
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| 08:41.34 | jelly | Waxhead: vbox kernel-side code has historically had lots of bugs, some time ago kernel people decided to put a taint flag if vbox stuff was loaded |
| 08:41.40 | aging | another one of these nights |
| 08:41.42 | teraflops | you have running at the same time NM and wicd and maybe you already tried to setup /e/n/i, so all of them |
| 08:41.44 | teraflops | lol |
| 08:41.55 | teraflops | heh |
| 08:42.08 | aging | ya if only i got the module right 1st then i wouldnt of installed all that crap |
| 08:42.26 | aging | time to uninstall a lot to get things working, this is new |
| 08:42.31 | teraflops | heh choose one, then read the wiki I linked |
| 08:42.54 | aging | can i apt remove em? |
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| 08:43.20 | teraflops | yep or just disable/stop them with systemctl |
| 08:43.33 | aging | i was doing that and wicd is enabled again |
| 08:43.41 | aging | whats the [-] or [+] mean? |
| 08:43.53 | aging | on --status-all |
| 08:44.05 | ntinos | doesn't run or run |
| 08:44.26 | aging | but [-] wicd is still no good? |
| 08:44.33 | aging | want it totally gone? |
| 08:44.50 | teraflops | aging: ah you typed service :S |
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| 08:44.55 | teraflops | needs more coffee |
| 08:45.11 | aging | service --status-all |
| 08:45.26 | teraflops | aging: so NM is running then |
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| 08:45.42 | aging | and networking |
| 08:45.58 | teraflops | aging: which is fine if you do wireless and change of AP all the time |
| 08:46.11 | aging | nope |
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| 08:46.46 | aging | can i disable networking? |
| 08:46.47 | teraflops | aging: not sure about networking, idk if it's linked NM there or not |
| 08:46.57 | aging | ok i will play with it =) |
| 08:47.07 | aging | just stop it i guess |
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| 08:47.14 | ntinos | curious, why you had two connection managers? |
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| 08:47.30 | teraflops | ntinos: oh youre missing the whole backlog :P |
| 08:47.30 | aging | because i went NUTS |
| 08:47.34 | aging | haha |
| 08:47.38 | aging | yup |
| 08:47.38 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 08:47.59 | shtrb|laptop | you went network attached ups ? |
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| 08:48.08 | aging | this is getting to be more fun than league of legebds |
| 08:48.12 | teraflops | he went bersker :P |
| 08:48.16 | aging | ya |
| 08:48.16 | ntinos | kek |
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| 08:48.19 | teraflops | hehe |
| 08:48.33 | aging | you should see the modules |
| 08:49.29 | teraflops | aging: I think the module is fine, and it will work when you decide wich networ manager you want and set it up properly (read the link i posted above) |
| 08:49.36 | teraflops | which^ |
| 08:49.45 | aging | ya, i just wanted to find and show you the dir |
| 08:50.56 | aging | well yer lucky i forgot where they r |
| 08:51.57 | teraflops | aging: btw the second link for compiling the module explains how to set it up for using DKMS which is a good idea if you get a new kernel |
| 08:53.39 | aging | bye huge! |
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| 08:55.30 | aging | ip a still shows wlan0 down |
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| 08:56.03 | teraflops | aging: you have to set it up in the network management tool you decided to use |
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| 08:56.53 | aging | k |
| 08:57.32 | aging | plugins and managed isnt enuff? =) |
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| 09:53.39 | mar77i | I'm playing around with preseeding a debian installation. |
| 09:54.52 | mar77i | the default preseed.cfg suggests using mkpasswd -m sha256 to create a crypted password. however I don't have it install on either of my distros and there appear to be quite a number of packages supplying it... |
| 09:55.07 | mar77i | *I don't have it installed |
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| 09:56.40 | mar77i | it might just be as much fun as them producing different output for the same inputs... |
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| 10:09.26 | boodie | Hi (stretch): I have a new desktop PC, with two 250 Gb SS Disks. Ubuntu preinstalled on /dev/sda2 and windows10 preinstalled on /dev/sda1. I want to replace Ubuntu with Stretch,. I have already a) extracted the package list with dpkg (get-selections > file.txt), from the old PC and done the backups and burnt the ISO image for stretch (amd64). I should be ready to go. |
| 10:10.11 | boodie | Some questions: 1) how do I ensure that Windows10 is not damaged in the process (the installation program should identify which disk I want to overwrite, hopefully)? |
| 10:10.32 | boodie | 2) Any hints on the partitions ? |
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| 10:13.24 | vlt | boodie: THe installer should be able to recognize the existing partitions and to include Windows in the new grub menu. |
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| 10:14.05 | vlt | boodie: How is the 2nd SSD relevant for your question? Are you planning to setup some kind of raid? |
| 10:15.14 | boodie | vlt: I am sufficiently confident that this should be the case, indeed; I am not planning to set up raid. It's a home environment and I am replacing a desktop that is giving me problems (over 10 years old). |
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| 10:18.22 | boodie | I always had dual boot. Now, in order to minimize the risk, I went to a local shop and explained that I wanted a desktop so and so, so it arrived with Ubuntu and W10 preinstalled. Great (obviously I spent a little more tahn going to the big mall). I am also confident that if Ubuntu works, Debian should also work ... are there an differences to be aware of, to your knowledge? |
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| 10:20.22 | acagastya | I need help setting up Debian (non free). |
| 10:20.40 | boodie | Another issue: when I launched the installer and hopefully had the minimalistic debian up and running, how do I transfer the text file with the package list? |
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| 10:21.56 | acagastya | What should be the values of Use as, mount point, mount option, label and typical usage? |
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| 10:32.13 | mnuhmnuh | boodie: dpkg set-selections package list to usbkey, paste it to paste.debian.net, even leave it in Win* and mount read-only in Debian. |
| 10:32.34 | vlt | boodie: Either via network (ssh) or just use some kind of usb media. |
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| 10:36.22 | boodie | should the mini installation then be able to mount a usb key? |
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| 10:37.27 | mnuhmnuh | boodie: mine self detects and automounts anything it detects and understands. configurable. |
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| 10:39.42 | mnuhmnuh | boodie: biggest worry is new hardware and proprietary hardware, but that gets ironed out over time, usually. ppl used to hate my net card, but it screams for me. |
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| 10:40.50 | teraflops | boodie: mind explaining what the minimalist debian is? |
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| 10:41.41 | mnuhmnuh | linux from scratch? |
| 10:42.05 | teraflops | boodie: about mounting external drives: it depends |
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| 10:43.59 | teraflops | mount -t blah blah /dev/blah should work if the fs module is in the kernel |
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| 10:44.45 | teraflops | mounting things automagically is another matter |
| 10:45.42 | boodie | No, of course ... minimalistic is the debian that comes with the netinstall cd |
| 10:46.24 | teraflops | boodie: you can install all debian packages with the netinstall cd too^ |
| 10:46.54 | boodie | teraflops: what do you mean? |
| 10:47.09 | teraflops | if you meant you did no picked a single thing while install additional software window prompted that's ok |
| 10:47.13 | teraflops | pick^ |
| 10:47.59 | boodie | Ok, it should somehow work ... any hints on the partitioning? The SSD is 250 gb |
| 10:48.16 | teraflops | boodie: I meant that I still do not know what minimalist debian is : |
| 10:48.20 | teraflops | :P^ |
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| 10:50.08 | cruncher | boodie, if this is your qeustion, yes, you can mount usb key during and after installation |
| 10:50.17 | maxcell_ | boodie, you should separate your /home from the "/" directory on the partitioning |
| 10:50.21 | teraflops | boodie: it depends on your needs/liking. there is people that prefer all in /, or separated /home, swap partition vs swap file, or no swap at all (/me shrugs) and so on |
| 10:50.40 | OtakuSenpai | ,v apt-transport-https |
| 10:50.41 | judd | Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.7; buster: 1.5~rc1; sid: 1.5~rc1 |
| 10:50.47 | teraflops | maxcell_: should? hmm |
| 10:51.00 | cruncher | yeah, i just wanted to say "should" is not the right word |
| 10:51.02 | boodie | how much should I dedicate to / ? |
| 10:51.10 | OtakuSenpai | ,v minetest |
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| 10:51.12 | maxcell_ | chould*? |
| 10:51.23 | teraflops | boodie: it depends |
| 10:51.33 | maxcell_ | boodie, i think 20/30gb is enough |
| 10:51.35 | teraflops | do you want just /home and / ? |
| 10:51.37 | maxcell_ | if /home is separated |
| 10:51.57 | boodie | and swap? |
| 10:52.08 | maxcell_ | do you render videos and stuff? |
| 10:52.11 | teraflops | swap is a good idea no matter the amount of ram do you have |
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| 10:52.28 | cruncher | boodie, you said ubuntu is already on the machine. And you might have a problem repartitioning since you have windows 10. So my suggestion, probably you can leave the current partition schema like it is (you can show it to us if you want)) |
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| 10:54.25 | maxcell_ | guys, i think he should let /home separated |
| 10:54.30 | teraflops | why? |
| 10:54.33 | boodie | cruncher: ok ... how should I do that? |
| 10:54.47 | teraflops | fdisk -l /dev/sdX is ok |
| 10:54.48 | cruncher | paste the output of "fdisk -l" in paste.debian.net |
| 10:55.27 | maxcell_ | because he can reinstall or change things on the system, even install another distros if he like without having to worry about losing data |
| 10:56.29 | mnuhmnuh | boodie: http://paste.debian.net/984232/ # :-) |
| 10:56.35 | cruncher | maxcell_, you forget that even then he "should" have a backup, so "loosing data" is not the reason here. Your suggestion is more to "save time" (if everythign goes ok)) |
| 10:57.02 | maxcell_ | cruncher, exactly |
| 10:57.07 | teraflops | maxcell_: fair enough, but not always needed |
| 10:57.11 | maxcell_ | cruncher, you save time, because your data is safe |
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| 10:57.44 | cruncher | no, its not "safe" when you reinstall the system... you never know. It is "safe" IF all goes the way it should |
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| 10:58.00 | boodie | https://paste.debian.net/984233/ |
| 10:58.03 | maxcell_ | teraflops, yeah but since he already have ubuntu, if his /home was already separated he could just install debian while remove ubuntu |
| 10:58.06 | cruncher | so ALWAYS have a backup when reinstalling, because its *never* safe |
| 10:58.09 | teraflops | you data is not very safe in you do not have backups |
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| 10:58.35 | cruncher | boodie, so you see, windows is on 2nd ssd |
| 10:58.39 | teraflops | maxcell_: yeah good point indeed at least explaining it so they can decide |
| 10:59.00 | teraflops | oh 2 SSDs |
| 10:59.08 | cruncher | basically you can do with sda2+sda3 what you want |
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| 10:59.37 | cruncher | and as teraflops said, swap should be equal ram (for hibernation) |
| 11:00.05 | cruncher | now you can have only / partition, or separate /home like maxcell said |
| 11:00.21 | cruncher | separate more is not recommended for you |
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| 11:01.43 | maxcell_ | i think is very recommended because he seems type of user who wants to take some risks in order to learn or iven swap distro currently |
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| 11:02.01 | maxcell_ | so it will save a lot of time |
| 11:02.27 | boodie | I have 16 Gb RAM, so I should expand the SWAP to match the size of the memory ... |
| 11:02.32 | mnuhmnuh | seperate makes backups simpler too. |
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| 11:02.59 | boodie | What is the 512 Mb EFI system? |
| 11:03.03 | cruncher | yeah, im not saying he should not have separate home... just "should" wasnt correct |
| 11:03.38 | maxcell_ | cruncher, i understand |
| 11:03.52 | g0zzy | desktop-base includes various themes, yet i find no way of choosing, say, the 'lines theme'. What tool do i use to change what i've been given by default? |
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| 11:04.28 | maxcell_ | cruncher, but i think he should ^^ |
| 11:04.39 | maxcell_ | sorry |
| 11:04.49 | maxcell_ | its just my opinion |
| 11:04.55 | teraflops | boodie: it's called ESP |
| 11:05.06 | maxcell_ | it save a lot of time for me so i think its a good idea |
| 11:05.23 | teraflops | is where efi bootloaders put .efi stuff in order to boot the system |
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| 11:06.03 | boodie | So, if I wanted the separate /home ... what is the reccomended minimum space for everything else ("/")? |
| 11:06.31 | teraflops | you should consider mount debian's ESP where windows one is instead making a new on, idk how the installer handles it though |
| 11:06.41 | boodie | And filesystem? ext4 I suppose ... |
| 11:07.01 | teraflops | ext4 is fine, xfs too if you ask me |
| 11:07.17 | boodie | For SS Disks? |
| 11:07.41 | teraflops | yep, ext4 is fine too as I said |
| 11:07.43 | maxcell_ | teraflops, it mounts on the ESP partition automatically you don't have to do anything, just organize the boot order on the bios after install |
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| 11:09.16 | teraflops | maxcell_: if you use UEFI menu for choosing the disk I guess debian bootloader will not show windows while booting the system (in its menu) |
| 11:09.40 | Ormu | let's say one has 2 disks and wants to do RAID1. But how does that work when the UEFI system partition must be there too? Use firmware RAID, or does that work? Use partitions instead of disks for RAID? Does that work with mdadm/filesystem level e.g. Btrfs? |
| 11:09.54 | teraflops | which is fine, but now thwt we are pointing things, I think the detail matters |
| 11:09.58 | boodie | I forgot to mention ... I poractically haven't used ubuntu, apart from now querying fdisk -l ... I don't have data on ubuntu, I need to reconstruct my stretch machine on the new hardware ... |
| 11:10.40 | maxcell_ | teraflops, in my computer i have debian in the ESP partition along with windows 10 and it shows windows on the grub menu, but if i didn't chose debian as the 1st boot order on bios it can boot windows directly without passing throught grub |
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| 11:10.59 | teraflops | maxcell_: yeah that's the right way if you ask me |
| 11:11.09 | teraflops | you can get rid of ubuntu partitions from the installer, just be careful |
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| 11:12.31 | maxcell_ | teraflops, how much Gb you think "/" should be? |
| 11:12.50 | boodie | fdisk -l for the current debian stretch on the old PC http://paste.debian.net/984235/ |
| 11:12.55 | teraflops | maxcell_: the rest of the disk |
| 11:13.09 | maxcell_ | teraflops, i mean with /home separate |
| 11:13.22 | teraflops | maxcell_: the rest of the disk |
| 11:13.24 | teraflops | :P |
| 11:13.35 | maxcell_ | i really don't follow :D |
| 11:13.43 | teraflops | I'd make a swap partition too |
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| 11:14.34 | teraflops | maxcell_: /boot (little fat partition aka ESP) /home (if any) /swap and / (the rest of the disk) |
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| 11:15.23 | teraflops | if they are not using UEFI /boot does not need to be a partition either |
| 11:15.34 | maxcell_ | teraflops, i wonder how many GB for "/" would be safe to install a lot of things on the system without worryng |
| 11:15.45 | teraflops | idk |
| 11:16.14 | maxcell_ | i think 25GB is enough |
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| 11:16.32 | boodie | That's exactly the point |
| 11:16.34 | teraflops | maxcell_: I have debian systems installed in 2GB / and I have a lot of stuff there |
| 11:16.52 | teraflops | so, again, it depends⦠|
| 11:16.59 | maxcell_ | teraflops, yeah but today i uninstall KDE and its QT applications and save me 1.6GB |
| 11:17.12 | teraflops | obv |
| 11:17.13 | cruncher | if you install debian, and install all DE's -what basically nobody does-, you need ~10gb. As its a 250gb ssd, like maxcell_ said 20-30gb should be enough for /, then a 16gb swap and the rest for /home |
| 11:17.23 | maxcell_ | 10GB |
| 11:17.24 | cruncher | boodie, just make sure you dont delete sda1 |
| 11:17.30 | maxcell_ | so i think 20GB would be enough |
| 11:17.34 | teraflops | :S |
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| 11:17.36 | maxcell_ | to install wherever you want |
| 11:17.52 | maxcell_ | like apt-get install * |
| 11:17.57 | maxcell_ | lol |
| 11:17.59 | teraflops | that's why if people ask me I recommend a big fat / for all |
| 11:18.10 | cruncher | i think you need more than 30gb to apt install * ;-) |
| 11:18.39 | cruncher | yeah, for people that want to "try everything", i would also say 1 / |
| 11:18.43 | teraflops | anyway if you do lvm or btrfs + subvols you do not have to care about such things |
| 11:18.59 | cruncher | someone who learns will probably reinstall it again, as per his new found exerience or needs |
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| 11:19.05 | teraflops | indeed |
| 11:19.18 | maxcell_ | true |
| 11:19.37 | maxcell_ | teraflops, i dont even know what LVM partition are |
| 11:20.06 | maxcell_ | sounds like virtual things that shrink or bloat automatically |
| 11:20.20 | teraflops | good point, if youre new I bet after some time you will notice you prefer your partition layout being different, or lvm or subvols pr whatever |
| 11:20.23 | teraflops | or^ |
| 11:20.33 | teraflops | so the 3rd installation is the right one :P |
| 11:21.12 | teraflops | maxcell_: logical volumes |
| 11:21.32 | teraflops | I prefer doing btrfs subvols these days though |
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| 11:22.07 | maxcell_ | teraflops, what btrfs subvols does that is different from normal partitions/ |
| 11:22.34 | teraflops | maxcell_: they are logical not physical, same for lvm |
| 11:22.55 | teraflops | so you can grow/shrink and play with them easily |
| 11:23.04 | boodie | So, So, I started! Fingers crossed; |
| 11:23.12 | teraflops | good luck :D |
| 11:23.25 | maxcell_ | teraflops, hmmm thats cool, and they can be GPT and use EFI as well? |
| 11:23.30 | teraflops | yep |
| 11:23.44 | maxcell_ | sounds great |
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| 11:26.30 | boodie | It's sayimg that some of my hardware needs non-free firmware to operate ... the missing firmware is rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw ... if I have removable media insert it and continue .... I don't have that ... |
| 11:26.32 | soulz | 5~ |
| 11:26.54 | boodie | Any idea of what is it? |
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| 11:27.44 | gpunk | It should invite you to doanload it |
| 11:28.00 | gpunk | doesnt it ? |
| 11:28.00 | boodie | I can select no and proceed ... |
| 11:28.18 | cruncher | no, the installer will for sure not "invite" you to download non-free firmware |
| 11:28.25 | cruncher | boodie, how do you conect to the internet? |
| 11:28.33 | cruncher | wifi? or ethernet cable? |
| 11:28.35 | boodie | ethernet |
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| 11:29.40 | cruncher | boodie, well, not sure what your machine is, but you can just continue, and see if the network configures. If it does, then you are fine |
| 11:29.49 | gpunk | so the firmware is already loaded |
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| 11:30.03 | cruncher | no, the firmware it mentioned in the message is not loaded |
| 11:30.15 | gpunk | so how do you have ethernet ?? |
| 11:30.36 | boodie | Yes |
| 11:30.46 | cruncher | some devices want firmware not needed for basic operation |
| 11:30.52 | boodie | found something here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/firmware-realtek/filelist |
| 11:31.01 | gpunk | basic? |
| 11:31.12 | teraflops | then you can fix it later if that fw is related to your wireless nic |
| 11:31.24 | cruncher | boodie, yes, you "can" download and load that firmware, but i suggest you try to continue without and see if the network works |
| 11:31.38 | boodie | ok |
| 11:32.05 | cruncher | or it was the wifi |
| 11:32.24 | maxcell_ | how did you load a firmware |
| 11:32.30 | cruncher | he didnt |
| 11:32.30 | teraflops | you dont |
| 11:32.55 | maxcell_ | i mean, sporadically |
| 11:32.58 | teraflops | normally while loading modules they look for fw if they need any |
| 11:33.17 | maxcell_ | you mean the installer itself? |
| 11:33.34 | maxcell_ | or you need to load it by yourself |
| 11:33.45 | cruncher | you can "load" (making the firmware available to) the firmware during installation |
| 11:33.49 | teraflops | maxcell_: take a look at dmesg maybe you have hw that requires fw, it should show there |
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| 11:34.45 | maxcell_ | gotcha, i "load" my fw my installing the firmwares package with apt-get |
| 11:34.54 | maxcell_ | by* |
| 11:34.57 | gpunk | tada |
| 11:35.01 | teraflops | not really maxcell_ |
| 11:35.02 | cruncher | but if its not needed for installation, its easier to add it later when the system is already installed |
| 11:35.24 | maxcell_ | teraflops, so i just install but it's not loaded? |
| 11:35.25 | teraflops | fw is loaded when you a module is loaded |
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| 11:35.56 | teraflops | maxcell_: maybe the installer is doing a custom check based on the hw, but that's not the normal way |
| 11:36.03 | teraflops | s/you |
| 11:36.55 | maxcell_ | ok |
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| 11:39.35 | maxcell_ | recently i have to put a option on my xorg.conf, that doesn't exist so i created with nvidia-xconfig. But the thing is, i had two other files with some Option on /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/d - One is called 20-Mouse-Acceleration.conf the other is called 50-nvidia.conf I need to know if they are being loaded since now i have /etc/X11/xorg.conf or if xorg.conf is overwriting both the configs? |
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| 11:40.33 | boodie | Partitioning Method: Guided or Manual? |
| 11:40.37 | cmdd | b |
| 11:40.50 | maxcell_ | manual |
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| 11:43.27 | gpunk | maxcell_: normally the three are loaded |
| 11:43.30 | Voldenet | one / partition is enough for everyone |
| 11:43.35 | Voldenet | ;) |
| 11:43.41 | boodie | So, on SCSI3 i have 1mb free space, #1 536.9Mb ESP EFI System P, #2 = 245.3 ext4, #3 = 4.2 GB swap, 171kb free space |
| 11:44.32 | maxcell_ | gpunk, ok thank you very much |
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| 11:45.25 | boodie | I should basically, enlarge swap to 16Gb, allocate say 25 Gb to / and create a separate partition for /home with the rest ... |
| 11:45.50 | g0zzy | desktop-base includes various themes, yet i find no way of choosing, say, the 'lines theme'. What tool do i use to change what i've been given by default? |
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| 11:48.43 | maxcell_ | boodie, yes |
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| 11:50.47 | maxcell_ | boodie, format flag on those 2 in ext4 and swap. Just look at the EFI partition (esp) and see if debian installer are already aware of. Don't format EFI partition (esp). |
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| 11:55.40 | boodie | So, at the moment I have: 1Mb Free Space, 536.9 MB ESP/EFI (not to be touched), 200 GB ext4 unspecified (how do I tell it it has to be /home?), 143.4 kb free space, 33.5 ext4 as /, 16 GB swap, 171.5 kB free space ... |
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| 11:56.42 | boodie | Should I leave the snippets of ree space, or do they create problems? |
| 11:57.26 | boodie | ops, ... snippets of free space |
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| 11:58.24 | boodie | Can /home be encrypted, is there any benefit in it? |
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| 11:59.03 | maxcell_ | idk about those |
| 11:59.36 | boodie | I created a partition of 200 GB ext4 ... how do I tell it it that it has to be /home? |
| 12:00.02 | maxcell_ | click on it and in mount point you type /home |
| 12:00.42 | maxcell_ | on the 25gb you do the same but type just / |
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| 12:01.14 | boodie | done |
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| 12:02.22 | boodie | So, finish partitioning and write changes to disk ... fingers crossed |
| 12:02.36 | maxcell_ | it will work |
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| 12:05.32 | boodie | best mirror for the uk, any udea? |
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| 12:06.01 | boodie | ftp.uk.debian.org? |
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| 12:06.52 | maxcell_ | go ahead, you can change it later if you want |
| 12:06.57 | maxcell_ | i have no idea |
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| 12:10.37 | boodie | It prompts me for extra packages, e.g. GNOME, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, LXDE, Web Server, Print Server, SSH Server, Standard System utilities ... Xfce, print server and Standard System utilities are selected ... what are Cinnamon, MATE, LXDE? |
| 12:11.06 | maxcell_ | desktop environments |
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| 12:11.29 | maxcell_ | i think you should choose only one to begin with |
| 12:11.39 | boodie | I think I will stick with Xfce for the time being |
| 12:11.47 | maxcell_ | because it will install default applications from those |
| 12:12.00 | gpunk | yes xfce is a good start |
| 12:12.07 | maxcell_ | nice choice |
| 12:12.08 | gpunk | I perso. love it |
| 12:12.34 | boodie | This is what I am using at the moment, it's flawless |
| 12:12.44 | Nawab | boodie: try httpredir.debian.org |
| 12:13.03 | Nawab | it takes you to the fastest server around |
| 12:13.25 | gpunk | true that |
| 12:13.54 | Nawab | s/true that/true dat ;) |
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| 12:15.24 | gpunk | :) |
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| 12:16.16 | acagastya | How do I add a user in sudoers file? |
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| 12:16.59 | Nawab | i dont use sudo :3 |
| 12:17.03 | Nawab | gotta add it |
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| 12:17.44 | gpunk | in sudo group |
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| 12:18.52 | maxcell_ | acagastya, under ROOT ALL=(ALL) you type YOUR_USER ALL=(ALL) |
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| 12:19.09 | maxcell_ | then put your user to the sudo group |
| 12:19.33 | maxcell_ | using gpasswd i think |
| 12:19.38 | Nawab | hey what is the other stretch updates source besides security.debian.org? |
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| 12:21.20 | acagastya | maxcell_ I need to run `su root` for that, isn't it? |
| 12:21.25 | Nawab | Err:3 https://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release |
| 12:21.27 | Nawab | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.32 | Nawab | sorry |
| 12:21.43 | Nawab | but im getting this in apt-get update |
| 12:21.50 | maxcell_ | acagastya, what you mean? |
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| 12:22.00 | acagastya | To become root. |
| 12:22.01 | juhop | after a fresh debian 9 install, I'm confused how umask setting is not what I set it to be in ~/.profile. Any idea where the setting gets overridden? |
| 12:22.14 | gpunk | acagastya: no you dont need sudo for that |
| 12:22.19 | maxcell_ | acagastya, to become root you need to type su and type the password. |
| 12:22.34 | XeonSquared | su -u root |
| 12:22.37 | XeonSquared | IIRC |
| 12:22.42 | XeonSquared | wait |
| 12:22.45 | XeonSquared | sudo -u root |
| 12:23.00 | acagastya | `su root`, that's what I said. So, then where to add that? |
| 12:23.02 | XeonSquared | keeps the sudo command logging and you only need your password but gives you a root shell |
| 12:23.08 | maxcell_ | acagastya, sudo gives your regular user root powers |
| 12:23.20 | lyakh | hi, I want to update my home mail server to a new Debian version. I'd actually take the current testing to avoid having to reinstall in 2 years again. It just shouldn't eat my mail and shouldn't have too many security holes open for too long... Or is it a bad idea and I should go with stable? I usually put testing on my desktops / laptops, but the mail server... |
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| 12:23.36 | gpunk | acagastya: you have nothing to add, |
| 12:23.41 | gpunk | su is already installed |
| 12:23.48 | Nawab | lyakh: try stretch |
| 12:23.58 | Nawab | sid is in bad shape now i think |
| 12:23.58 | gpunk | juste type su - root in a terminal |
| 12:24.02 | acagastya | Where do I add `ROOT ALL=(ALL) you type YOUR_USER ALL=(ALL)`? |
| 12:24.11 | gpunk | acagastya: nowhere |
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| 12:25.08 | boodie | It still shows the Ubuntu splash screen and grub prompts me to start either debian, ubuntu or windows ... tried debian, works fine with xfce ... how comnes that it shows still Ubuntu as being present? |
| 12:25.18 | maxcell_ | acagastya, /etc/sudoers |
| 12:25.21 | lyakh | Nawab: nono, not sid, I'm thinking about "buster" - the current testing |
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| 12:25.49 | acagastya | gpunk, you mean to say, I do `su root` and then, for example if I want to update, I run `sudo apt-get update`? |
| 12:26.07 | gpunk | no you do: su - root |
| 12:26.08 | Nawab | yeah,buster is in bad shape i think |
| 12:26.12 | gpunk | then apt-get update |
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| 12:26.15 | maxcell_ | acagastya, for that you need your regular user in /etc/sudoers and group sudo. |
| 12:26.23 | Nawab | stretch has plenty of recent packages |
| 12:26.23 | maxcell_ | acagastya, to use that sudo apt-get command |
| 12:26.28 | gpunk | then exit |
| 12:26.42 | gpunk | it depends whta you want ... |
| 12:26.53 | lyakh | Nawab: hm, ok, thanks |
| 12:27.40 | maxcell_ | Nawab, i'm using buster right now |
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| 12:27.50 | Nawab | maxcell_: how is it |
| 12:27.58 | Nawab | im unsure of its stability |
| 12:28.05 | maxcell_ | Nawab, it wasn't that different from Stretch, very stable, not too much changes. |
| 12:28.11 | Nawab | ok |
| 12:28.19 | Nawab | does it hav gcc 7 ? |
| 12:28.20 | maxcell_ | because Stretch is new |
| 12:28.21 | lyakh | maxcell_: how long have you been using it? |
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| 12:28.35 | maxcell_ | lyakh, like 1 week or 2 |
| 12:28.54 | maxcell_ | Nawab, oh idk let me see |
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| 12:29.19 | lyakh | maxcell_: hmm, that isn't too long. But intensively or an hour a day? |
| 12:29.26 | maxcell_ | Nawab, how do i see that? apt show? |
| 12:29.40 | Nawab | apt-cache search gcc | grep gcc7 |
| 12:29.45 | Nawab | apt-cache search gcc | grep gcc-7 |
| 12:29.58 | Nawab | or |
| 12:29.59 | gpunk | apt search is nice too |
| 12:29.59 | apt | ...but search is already something else... |
| 12:30.06 | Nawab | apt-cache search gcc | grep gcc |
| 12:30.14 | maxcell_ | lyakh, intensively, and i have a problem with my videocard right now but, even then the system didn't lock up. very stable way more stable then some other distros |
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| 12:30.36 | lyakh | maxcell_: ok, thanks! |
| 12:30.42 | Nawab | yeah debian is known for its stability |
| 12:30.48 | maxcell_ | Nawab, it has gcc-7 to download |
| 12:30.56 | Nawab | ok thnx maxcell_ |
| 12:31.38 | maxcell_ | i think Buster is very close to Stretch right now in terms of packages of the raw system because the Stretch itself is new |
| 12:31.53 | maxcell_ | maybe next year it gets less stable than this |
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| 12:36.00 | acagastya | cpp-6 would not compile. |
| 12:36.08 | acagastya | It says: "cpp-6: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory". |
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| 12:36.39 | Guest6828 | hi |
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| 12:36.59 | Guest6828 | I have a problem with setting wifi |
| 12:37.12 | Pythonic_vi | hey |
| 12:37.33 | Guest6828 | how can I install my intel wifi driver? |
| 12:38.09 | gpunk | Guest6828: depends :) |
| 12:38.19 | Guest6828 | ? |
| 12:38.22 | acagastya | It could be possible it is not free. |
| 12:38.25 | gpunk | a laptop ? |
| 12:38.35 | Guest6828 | mini pc |
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| 12:38.51 | Pythonic_vi | non-free firmware |
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| 12:39.01 | acagastya | Guest6828, use the nonfree ISO for that. |
| 12:39.01 | gpunk | for sure |
| 12:39.09 | Guest6828 | how? |
| 12:39.23 | Guest6828 | can you give me a command? |
| 12:39.36 | gpunk | apt install firmware-nonfree |
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| 12:40.11 | acagastya | gpunk, doing that would set up non free drivers? |
| 12:40.27 | gpunk | yes |
| 12:40.33 | acagastya | Darn it! I wish I knew earlier. |
| 12:40.35 | gpunk | but you have to |
| 12:40.49 | acagastya | I downloaded the non free ISO for that. |
| 12:41.01 | SuperTramp83 | Guest6828: lspci -nnk | grep Network |
| 12:41.08 | SuperTramp83 | what is the output? |
| 12:41.24 | acagastya | But, gpunk, cpp-6 is not compiling cpp file, and it says: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 12:41.49 | gpunk | have you installed gcc ? |
| 12:41.49 | acagastya | g++ is in the GNU's compiler collection, right? |
| 12:41.55 | Guest6828 | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59) |
| 12:42.00 | gpunk | install g++ too yes |
| 12:42.19 | acagastya | I thought it was by default within gcc bundle. |
| 12:42.37 | Guest6828 | Sorry I'm a novice, I need a command |
| 12:42.45 | Guest6828 | sudo apt-get install gcc? |
| 12:42.58 | acagastya | Guest6868, `lspci -nnk | grep Network`. |
| 12:43.02 | gpunk | guys you are getting mixed up |
| 12:43.16 | SuperTramp83 | Guest6828: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 12:43.44 | gpunk | apt install g++ |
| 12:43.48 | SuperTramp83 | Guest6828: a real solution would be to buy a wifi adapter that works with free software. You can get one for 5 dollars |
| 12:44.06 | gpunk | acagastya: apt install g++ |
| 12:44.19 | acagastya | gpunk, I did use it while live booting, but I don't understand why is it missing from gcc package? |
| 12:44.29 | acagastya | Or is it that it is not within g++? |
| 12:44.39 | maxcell_ | Guest6828, you already did apt-get install firmware-nonfree? |
| 12:44.57 | Guest6828 | I can't open root terminal |
| 12:45.02 | Guest6828 | I have to reboot? |
| 12:45.09 | gpunk | acagastya: type g++ please |
| 12:45.10 | maxcell_ | no |
| 12:45.13 | SuperTramp83 | Guest6828: sudo -s |
| 12:45.18 | maxcell_ | open a terminal and type su |
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| 12:45.57 | acagastya | gpunk, I have installed g++ (while I was asking), but I want to know why isn't it there by default? |
| 12:46.03 | Guest6828 | ~~ is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 12:46.03 | apt | Guest6828: okay |
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| 12:46.18 | gpunk | acagastya: because that s how it is ... |
| 12:46.23 | gpunk | gcc is one thing |
| 12:46.25 | maxcell_ | Guest6828, type SU and put the root password |
| 12:46.28 | gpunk | g++ is another language |
| 12:46.45 | Guest6828 | bash: SU: command not found |
| 12:46.46 | acagastya | gpunk, I thought it was in the same bundle. |
| 12:46.50 | gpunk | nope |
| 12:46.53 | maxcell_ | Guest6828, su lower case |
| 12:47.07 | Guest6828 | ok |
| 12:47.12 | Guest6828 | and then? |
| 12:47.16 | maxcell_ | case sensitivy |
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| 12:48.02 | Guest6828 | apt install g++ - I'm doing this... |
| 12:48.09 | acagastya | No. |
| 12:48.12 | maxcell_ | no lol |
| 12:48.14 | maxcell_ | haha |
| 12:48.18 | acagastya | It is not for you Guest6828. |
| 12:48.18 | gpunk | Guest6828: that s not for you |
| 12:48.22 | Guest6828 | T.T |
| 12:48.23 | acagastya | That was for me. |
| 12:48.34 | Guest6828 | what the... |
| 12:48.38 | gpunk | you Guest6828: under root |
| 12:48.41 | maxcell_ | hahahahaa |
| 12:48.45 | gpunk | install firmware-nonfree |
| 12:48.47 | acagastya | gpunk, I have this question: g++ is not available by default. And my brother uses live boot, so that he could learn C++. He can't install it every single time -- that would be pointless. |
| 12:49.05 | gpunk | it is not pointless, |
| 12:49.13 | gpunk | just install linux definitivly |
| 12:49.16 | Guest6828 | install firmware-nonfree - it doesn't work |
| 12:49.20 | maxcell_ | gpunk, lol |
| 12:49.24 | gpunk | and have g++ always :) |
| 12:49.30 | gpunk | maxcell_: lol |
| 12:49.52 | acagastya | gpunk, my parents can't switch the OS at the moment -- I need to wait before I can install it for them. |
| 12:50.17 | gpunk | so you have to deal with that ... sorry it s not in our power to change that |
| 12:50.20 | Guest6828 | install firmware-nonfree - it doesn't work now, what can I do now? |
| 12:50.32 | gpunk | Guest6828: ok hold on |
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| 12:50.37 | acagastya | So what I am saying is, gpunk, the best way would be saving g++'s tarball in a drive and using it every time. |
| 12:50.50 | acagastya | I don't see any other alternative. |
| 12:50.59 | maxcell_ | acagastya, just get 20gb and install it with EFI boot and put windows boot in the first boot order so it will just boot windows your parent wont even know |
| 12:51.18 | gpunk | Guest6828: firmware-iwlwifi install this |
| 12:51.53 | Guest6828 | firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version (0.43). |
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| 12:52.11 | gpunk | have you rebooted ? |
| 12:52.15 | Guest6828 | sure |
| 12:52.39 | maxcell_ | gpunk, maybe if he update the kernel? |
| 12:52.40 | acagastya | The darned problem is we need a backup -- and we had partitioned the disk for every family member -- that was a dumb move, but i can't let them do it without me helping them. |
| 12:52.52 | acagastya | So, maxcell_, tar ball would be the best? |
| 12:52.56 | gpunk | maxcell_: why not ... |
| 12:53.25 | gpunk | acagastya: it is not practical ... it would take the same amount of time to untar it |
| 12:53.35 | gpunk | then installing it |
| 12:53.35 | Guest6828 | T.T |
| 12:54.00 | acagastya | gpunk, but we can eliminate the need of internet for that. |
| 12:54.09 | Guest6828 | what's the problem? T.T |
| 12:54.13 | maxcell_ | gpunk, if the wifi doesn't work with firmware-nonfree nor iwlwifi, can his card be so new that aren't on the actual kernel yet/ |
| 12:54.15 | maxcell_ | ? |
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| 12:54.47 | gpunk | hold on plz |
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| 12:55.21 | boodie | Hi I installed debian 9 on my new PC. I had Ubuntu & Windows 10 on two separate SS Disks. but it seems it didn't work correctly; grub still shows ubuntu as present ... |
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| 12:56.32 | acagastya | LOL, Polari doesn't understand /clear. |
| 12:57.05 | gpunk | Guest6828: can you reboot please ? and then send us you dmesg |
| 12:57.11 | gpunk | your* |
| 12:57.18 | g0zzy | boodie: Debian won't ordinarily 'uninstall' anything. On the contrary - it will be careful not to overwrite stuff |
| 12:57.24 | Guest6828 | dmesg?\ |
| 12:57.31 | Guest6828 | it is a command for terminal? |
| 12:57.34 | gpunk | yes and command in the terminal |
| 12:57.55 | Guest6828 | Ok I'll be back |
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| 12:57.58 | gpunk | thnx |
| 12:58.49 | acagastya | gpunk, debian's public ftp is working at the moment for stretch? |
| 12:59.02 | gpunk | sure |
| 12:59.05 | boodie | Hmmm so, how do I assess the state of the art? |
| 12:59.38 | acagastya | gpunk, I remember the OS installation asks to choose a ftp sserver. |
| 12:59.50 | gpunk | yes |
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| 13:00.18 | acagastya | Are those FTPs public or developer ones? |
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| 13:00.35 | acagastya | For example: ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 13:00.54 | gpunk | public |
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| 13:01.20 | acagastya | Then the installation has to change by the next month. |
| 13:01.27 | acagastya | https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Debian_to_shutdown_public_File_Transfer_Protocol_services |
| 13:01.42 | gpunk | you can use then http |
| 13:01.58 | acagastya | Public FTPs are to be shut down next month, so the installation would have to be updated. |
| 13:02.18 | gpunk | what installation ? |
| 13:02.25 | acagastya | gpunk, we (wikinews) actually are going to the team. |
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| 13:02.36 | acagastya | installation => the OS installation. |
| 13:02.48 | pumpkinz | Could anyone help me with setting a custom resolution / refresh rate? |
| 13:02.52 | gpunk | you OS installation ? |
| 13:02.58 | acagastya | Darn it! |
| 13:02.58 | gpunk | your OS installation ? * |
| 13:03.36 | Nawab | Err:3 https://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release |
| 13:03.38 | acagastya | gpunk => when we install Deabian, it asks for choosing FTP, so that would have to be changed. |
| 13:03.38 | Nawab | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.55 | gpunk | acagastya: an http link instead |
| 13:04.00 | acagastya | And, I was saying we are going to interview the Debian team about this decision. |
| 13:04.07 | gpunk | ok |
| 13:04.13 | Nawab | why is this occuring? |
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| 13:05.46 | acagastya | gpunk, which client are you using (for IRC)? |
| 13:06.06 | gpunk | me "kvirc" for now, why ? |
| 13:06.25 | Nawab | acagastya: you can choose any server you want |
| 13:06.36 | Nawab | its just tht ftp servers are on the list too |
| 13:07.53 | boodie | Hi, Hi, after installation, this is the output of fdisk -l https://paste.debian.net/984239/ |
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| 13:09.17 | boodie | Hi, after installation, this is the output of mount https://paste.debian.net/9842340/ |
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| 13:09.37 | frezy | hi, when i apt-get -y --no-install-recommends postfix, i still get the installation wizard... what am i missing :/? |
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| 13:10.40 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | Hi |
| 13:10.42 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I'm back |
| 13:10.49 | gpunk | guest? |
| 13:10.49 | boodie | I am afraid that my original intention to create a separate partition for /home and remove ubuntu failed ... what should I do ? Reinstall debian again? |
| 13:10.51 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I rebooted my debian 9 |
| 13:11.00 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | but still can't grap wifi |
| 13:11.23 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: can we see your dmesg output ? |
| 13:11.26 | g0zzy | Well you've got one Linux by the looks. When you boot what do you get? |
| 13:11.33 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | OK hold on |
| 13:11.52 | boodie | I get the Ubuntu splashscreen |
| 13:12.28 | boodie | If I press F11 on boot then I can access debian, which in fact works |
| 13:12.35 | g0zzy | And you're not interested in retaining Ubuntu? |
| 13:12.54 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | https://paste.debian.net/984241/ |
| 13:12.54 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | here |
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| 13:13.04 | gpunk | ok i am looking |
| 13:13.05 | boodie | but I am afraid that on partition I have not properly addressed the largest partition to /home |
| 13:14.03 | boodie | And Ubuntu cannot boot in fact (not that I'm bothered) |
| 13:14.16 | g0zzy | Actually on further inspection, you've probably got two: sda2 and ada4 |
| 13:14.19 | g0zzy | sda4 |
| 13:16.02 | g0zzy | So, if you find out which one Ubuntu's on, you can simply nuke it and map /home to it |
| 13:16.56 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: do "ls -l /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D*" please |
| 13:17.27 | boodie | my understanding is that I have a maimed Ubuntu on /dev/sda2 (1050624 391675623 390625000 186.3G Linux filesystem) and debian 9 ended up in /dev/sda4 (391675904 457146367 65470464 31.2G Linux filesystem) |
| 13:17.40 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | ls: cannot access '/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D*': No such file or directory |
| 13:17.46 | gpunk | aha |
| 13:18.03 | gpunk | reinstall iwlwifi plz |
| 13:18.06 | boodie | So, what are my best options now? Reinstall debian from CD? |
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| 13:18.14 | gpe | hey everyone |
| 13:18.25 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | sudo apt-get isntall iwlwifi? |
| 13:18.44 | gpunk | sudo apt install --reinstall firmware-iwlwifi/stable |
| 13:19.05 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | E: Release 'stable' for 'firmware-iwlwifi' was not found |
| 13:19.13 | gpunk | sudo apt install --reinstall firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:19.32 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | installing now |
| 13:19.38 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | done |
| 13:19.44 | gpunk | redo the ls |
| 13:19.49 | gpe | when i adduser <user> i need to put some info about a user, phone at work etc. and "Other". In "other" i put email's user, i just want to know if a command exists to display "Other" info directly |
| 13:19.53 | gpe | ty |
| 13:20.09 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | ls -l /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D*? |
| 13:20.20 | gpunk | yes |
| 13:20.25 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | ls: cannot access '/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D*': No such file or directory still recive this message |
| 13:20.48 | gpe | ofc i get it in cat /etc/passwd but im making a python program so i just wanted to know if there were another easier way for that |
| 13:20.52 | g0zzy | You don't need to reinstall - that is IF it's working with Debian |
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| 13:21.19 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: ok have you done apt update lately ? |
| 13:21.39 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | sudo apt-get update? |
| 13:21.45 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | how? |
| 13:21.48 | gpunk | yes about the same |
| 13:22.07 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | yes |
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| 13:22.15 | boodie | Hi, I am trying to install debian properly on my new PC, I already botched one installation, is there a way to avoid going to the net installation again? |
| 13:22.17 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I did it again |
| 13:22.31 | g0zzy | answers his own question: the desktop theme is choosable with alternative 'desktop-theme' |
| 13:22.47 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: what debian are you using ? |
| 13:22.52 | g0zzy | boodie: ^^ |
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| 13:23.03 | boodie | stable |
| 13:23.07 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | 9 |
| 13:23.11 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | debian 9 |
| 13:23.12 | boodie | 9 |
| 13:23.27 | gpunk | hmm i install that package and i do have the files |
| 13:23.27 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I downloaded and installed today |
| 13:23.29 | g0zzy | No-one's asking you boodie ;) |
| 13:23.36 | gpunk | thoses files are need by iwlwifi |
| 13:23.46 | gpunk | dmesg said you are missing those files |
| 13:23.58 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | how can I solve this problem |
| 13:24.03 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | T.T |
| 13:24.09 | gpunk | ok do apt update plz |
| 13:24.17 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I did |
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| 13:24.45 | gpunk | can you show your /etc/apt/source.list ? |
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| 13:27.01 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ |
| 13:27.05 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | this one? |
| 13:27.28 | gpunk | i wanna see all the file plz |
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| 13:28.02 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | https://paste.debian.net/984242/ |
| 13:28.04 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | here you azre |
| 13:28.06 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | are |
| 13:28.56 | dvs | !tell dhfjklhdsjklafhk about frankendebian |
| 13:29.50 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: ok you are fixed ! :) |
| 13:30.25 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | ? |
| 13:30.27 | gpunk | to the lines of stretch add contrib and non-free |
| 13:30.33 | gpunk | like mine , hold on |
| 13:31.05 | gpunk | https://paste.debian.net/984243/ |
| 13:31.21 | gpunk | you have miwed up jessie and stretch ... |
| 13:31.37 | gpunk | mixed* |
| 13:31.50 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I have to replace it right? |
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| 13:32.03 | dvs | dhfjklhdsjklafhk, get rid of jessie lines |
| 13:32.05 | gpunk | if you want replace your's with mine, |
| 13:32.08 | gpunk | after a backup |
| 13:32.14 | dvs | yes, that's even beter |
| 13:32.46 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I don't have anything important thing in Debian system lol |
| 13:33.10 | gpunk | backup just your file |
| 13:33.15 | gpunk | not the system :p |
| 13:33.29 | gpe | ??? |
| 13:33.35 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I don't have any file also haha |
| 13:34.01 | gpunk | your source.list |
| 13:34.06 | gpunk | never mind ... |
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| 13:34.41 | gpunk | when you update the source.lst |
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| 13:34.54 | gpunk | source.list , do apt update |
| 13:35.07 | gpunk | then reinstall iwlfiwi-firmware |
| 13:35.36 | gpunk | firmware-iwlfiwi |
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| 13:38.30 | gpunk | dhfjklhdsjklafhk: ?? |
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| 13:39.00 | maxcell_ | i just can't find where the mate button is on debian to swap it |
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| 13:39.22 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | https://paste.debian.net/984244/ |
| 13:39.27 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | it is correct? |
| 13:39.50 | gpunk | yes should be, apt update and see if no errors |
| 13:39.51 | dvs | dhfjklhdsjklafhk, you still have jessie lines |
| 13:40.18 | gpunk | yeah we will remove them |
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| 13:41.01 | dvs | dhfjklhdsjklafhk, everything after line 15 can be deleted |
| 13:41.36 | gpe | this channel doesn't answer to new users, sad |
| 13:42.20 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | fixed it and updating apt now |
| 13:43.07 | gpe | ur nick sux dhfjklhdsjklafhk |
| 13:43.11 | mnuhmnuh | gpe: question? |
| 13:43.18 | gpe | indeed |
| 13:43.24 | gpe | i did :/ |
| 13:43.34 | gpunk | when ? |
| 13:43.58 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | what is the reinstall command? |
| 13:44.00 | gpe | when i adduser <user> i need to put some info about a user, phone at work etc. and "Other". In "other" i put email's user, i |
| 13:44.03 | gpe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.18 | gpunk | sudo apt install --reinstall firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:44.38 | gpe | cat /etc/passwd exists ofc but i need the "other" info directly for a python program |
| 13:44.40 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | installing now |
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| 13:44.49 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | done |
| 13:44.52 | gpunk | ok |
| 13:44.56 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | and then? |
| 13:44.56 | gpunk | redo that ls plz |
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| 13:45.22 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.35 | gpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.59 | maxcell_ | gpe, try "id --help" |
| 13:46.02 | maxcell_ | gpe, that helps you? |
| 13:46.08 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | https://paste.debian.net/984245/ |
| 13:46.17 | gpunk | nice |
| 13:46.21 | gpunk | reboot you are done |
| 13:46.27 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | OK |
| 13:46.30 | dhfjklhdsjklafhk | I'll be back |
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| 13:47.37 | gpe | maxcell_: it doesn't but thx to answer me |
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| 13:48.05 | jhutchins | gpe: That information was for the "finger" command and is no longer relevant for most systems. |
| 13:48.13 | gpe | this command cannot display email's user i put in "Other []:" when i added a new user |
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| 13:49.50 | lulugotproblem | I'm back\ |
| 13:49.51 | gpe | i installed finger as well |
| 13:50.00 | gpunk | lulugotproblem: and ? |
| 13:50.03 | gpe | i cannot display that info with finger too |
| 13:50.03 | lulugotproblem | It works! |
| 13:50.07 | lulugotproblem | thanks |
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| 13:50.08 | gpunk | cool |
| 13:50.12 | gpunk | wlc |
| 13:50.29 | lulugotproblem | and I have A fatal problem |
| 13:50.33 | gpe | or i need to create a .plan and put user email info into.. |
| 13:50.35 | gpe | :s |
| 13:50.37 | lulugotproblem | with my login screen |
| 13:51.20 | lulugotproblem | when I boot my debian system, it just showing black screen after grub |
| 13:51.46 | gpunk | and how do you login ? |
| 13:52.02 | lulugotproblem | but I input my password, it show my plasma environment |
| 13:52.27 | lulugotproblem | problem is I can't see anything when I'm in loginscreen |
| 13:52.35 | gpunk | oh |
| 13:52.42 | gpunk | hold on |
| 13:53.39 | lulugotproblem | I'm using LG TV through HDMI cable |
| 13:53.52 | gpunk | lulugotproblem: can you install this ? firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 13:53.54 | lulugotproblem | because I don't have a monitor lol |
| 13:54.11 | lulugotproblem | sudo apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree ??? |
| 13:54.36 | gpunk | yup |
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| 13:55.44 | lulugotproblem | done |
| 13:55.48 | lulugotproblem | and then? |
| 13:55.57 | gpunk | can you reboot, then post a dmesg again plz |
| 13:56.09 | lulugotproblem | ok |
| 13:56.13 | lulugotproblem | I'll be back |
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| 13:59.16 | lulu_debian | I'm back! |
| 13:59.23 | gpunk | :) |
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| 13:59.34 | lulu_debian | I can see my login screen now ! |
| 13:59.41 | gpunk | cool |
| 13:59.56 | dvs | but there's another problem... ;-) |
| 14:00.06 | lulu_debian | another? |
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| 14:00.52 | gpunk | no you dont , dont worry |
| 14:01.21 | lulu_debian | Now I have a small problem with my iBus |
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| 14:01.33 | dvs | there it is! |
| 14:03.08 | lulu_debian | I have to input Chinese, Korean, Japanese language, but when I choosing the letter it just showing me black square |
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| 14:03.49 | gpunk | where? |
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| 14:05.32 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ibus |
| 14:05.36 | gpunk | lulu_debian: |
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| 14:07.58 | lulu_debian | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8F9YVMI8Sw2MTNzODYyX09QNUU/view?usp=sharing |
| 14:08.01 | lulu_debian | here |
| 14:08.06 | lulu_debian | it is my problem |
| 14:09.02 | mnuhmnuh | lulu_debian: try w uxterm? |
| 14:09.21 | gpunk | lulu_debian: you are using chatzilla ? |
| 14:09.25 | lulu_debian | on terminal? |
| 14:09.29 | lulu_debian | what is the chatzilla? |
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| 14:10.56 | mnuhmnuh | lulu_debian: what irc app do you use? |
| 14:10.57 | gpunk | lulu_debian: firefox's irc client |
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| 14:11.10 | lulu_debian | yes |
| 14:11.47 | gpunk | you have the in18 version of FF ? |
| 14:12.02 | lulu_debian | ? |
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| 14:12.23 | gpunk | you have the l10n version of FF ? I ment |
| 14:12.30 | lulu_debian | Sorry I'm a novice, and I just installed debian this afternoon |
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| 14:13.09 | gpunk | what are you using for IRC ? |
| 14:13.10 | lulu_debian | if it is not preinstalled, maybe I'm not...? |
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| 14:13.24 | lulu_debian | firefox |
| 14:13.40 | gpunk | then you go thru a URL ? |
| 14:13.59 | lulu_debian | webchat.freenode.net |
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| 14:17.23 | gpunk | can yo uinstall this firefox-esr-l10n-all the restart your browser |
| 14:17.26 | gpunk | ? |
| 14:17.35 | gpunk | can yo install this firefox-esr-l10n-all the restart your browser ?* |
| 14:17.39 | gpunk | sorry lol |
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| 14:18.23 | lulu_debian | why? |
| 14:18.29 | lulu_debian | it is a iBus's problem |
| 14:18.35 | gpunk | it contains more languages support |
| 14:18.41 | gpunk | ibus ? |
| 14:18.47 | lulu_debian | yes |
| 14:18.51 | gpunk | why are you so sure |
| 14:19.11 | gpunk | if it s the case, follow the wikii sent you :) |
| 14:19.21 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ibus |
| 14:19.21 | lulu_debian | because when I'm using with text editor, it showing me same problem |
| 14:20.02 | gpunk | you may have missing fonts, because I saw you already have some |
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| 14:20.11 | gpunk | and there was only one black square |
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| 14:21.45 | lulu_debian | NO, when I choose the first one, ibus not showing the first letter |
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| 14:22.00 | lulu_debian | so I think my system already have all font, |
| 14:22.08 | gpunk | ok |
| 14:22.23 | gpunk | can you double check the steps that are on the wiki ? |
| 14:22.49 | lulu_debian | but problem is when I selected a word, it showing me a black square |
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| 14:23.21 | lulu_debian | when I'm using the other distro like ubuntu, it showing me gray color square and black color letter |
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| 14:24.17 | gpunk | it is not my forté, sorry, all I have is that wiki ... |
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| 14:25.21 | lulu_debian | OK, that's fine. it is just a small problem |
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| 14:25.58 | mnuhmnuh | lulu_debian: i had the damnedest prob w text color in ff search boxes same color as backgroud color. qupzilla, no prob. |
| 14:26.13 | lulu_debian | I have a other question. if I install google music manager, it will break my system? |
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| 14:26.40 | gpunk | i dont think so |
| 14:26.52 | dvs | from where? |
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| 14:27.39 | lulu_debian | from google music official site |
| 14:27.58 | dvs | not advisable |
| 14:28.02 | lulu_debian | download .deb file |
| 14:28.06 | boodie | Hi (stretch); I reinstalled debian 9, now it seems better ..., however I am going through the "dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/packages_list" process and I received a long list of error messages e.g. "package not in status or not available database at line XYZ" and warning: found unknown packages; this might mean that the available database is outdated and needs to be updated through a frontend method ... what is the prob |
| 14:28.12 | lulu_debian | oh.. |
| 14:29.18 | lulu_debian | how can I insatll google music manager safely |
| 14:29.33 | gpunk | boodie: how does your /etc/apt/source.list look like ? |
| 14:29.42 | gpunk | is it the same ? |
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| 14:30.53 | Barber1987 | maxcell_ : I have the live boot of debian 9.1.0 but it doesn't have the g++ command |
| 14:31.14 | gpunk | lulu_debian: you can , but debian is not responsible for it |
| 14:31.25 | Barber1987 | I have the .deb file of g++ which I have stored in my hard drive |
| 14:31.38 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/984247 |
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| 14:31.43 | Barber1987 | what should I do? |
| 14:31.57 | mnuhmnuh | boodie: guessing: apt-get update && dpkg --set-selections ... && apt-get upgrade # ? |
| 14:32.07 | lulu_debian | I broke Ubuntu system several times, so I'm looking for safe way |
| 14:32.20 | Barber1987 | no that didnt worked |
| 14:32.49 | mnuhmnuh | dist-upgrade? |
| 14:32.55 | Barber1987 | apt-get uptade and apt-get upgrade both didn't worked |
| 14:33.24 | gpunk | boodie: did you do an "apt update" ? |
| 14:33.29 | Barber1987 | should I convert the .deb file to bash? |
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| 14:35.16 | lulu_debian | install vmware is also unsafe? |
| 14:35.28 | mnuhmnuh | Barber1987: dpkg -i ..., though i'd go with apt-get instead. 6 of one, half doz. of the other. |
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| 14:37.56 | gpunk | lulu_debian: no it is safe |
| 14:38.30 | boodie | This is in fact the sources.list on the old PC: http://paste.debian.net/984249/ ... it differs from the sources the new installation has created |
| 14:38.44 | lulu_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.51 | lulu_debian | sudo apt-get install vmware is not working |
| 14:39.39 | murdoc` | lulu_debian, try apt search vmware |
| 14:40.24 | gpunk | boodie: then that 's probably why |
| 14:40.32 | gpunk | they have to be the same ... |
| 14:40.36 | lulu_debian | apt search? |
| 14:40.36 | apt | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
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| 14:41.34 | boodie | gpunk: which list is the correct one, if it makes any sense? |
| 14:41.44 | gpunk | the old one |
| 14:42.20 | lulu_debian | https://paste.debian.net/984251/ |
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| 14:43.27 | gpunk | brb |
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| 14:44.26 | lulu_debian | and then? |
| 14:44.33 | lulu_debian | how can I get vmware safely? |
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| 14:47.10 | Barber1987 | I have the .deb file of g++ what should I do? |
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| 14:48.42 | murdoc` | lulu_debian, https://wiki.debian.org/VMware#VMware_Installation_Instructions |
| 14:49.26 | Vizva | modprobe vboxguest ? |
| 14:49.55 | Vizva | i have to add a kernel module for guest additions in testing? |
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| 14:51.15 | lulu_debian | bash: curl: command not found |
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| 14:52.44 | murdoc` | Install curl |
| 14:52.51 | Vizva | lulu_debian you see the package of your choice ? |
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| 14:53.21 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 14:53.27 | lulu_debian | which one is better? |
| 14:53.30 | boodie | Hi I amI am going through the "dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/packages_list" process and I received a long list of error messages e.g. "package not in status or not available database at line XYZ" and warning: found unknown packages; this might mean that the available database is outdated and needs to be updated through a frontend method ... I aligned the sources.list files, I did apt-get update && dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:53.30 | boodie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.45 | lulu_debian | VMware Player 4 or 5? |
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| 14:54.08 | bbear | hi deb folks |
| 14:54.19 | SanchoPensa | i am havind issues with firefox, that appear to be debian related; no extension seems to work any longer on youtube, like flashblock n stuff, and other than that, my firefox ships with two extensions, ublock origin and flashblock, which I cannot seem to uninstall: https://imagebin.ca/v/3Z7nRUMQXSO3 |
| 14:54.28 | bbear | I was wondering if on stretch, you can put #!/usr/bin/env python2 to run script with python2 only. |
| 14:54.28 | SanchoPensa | what's broken? |
| 14:54.31 | bbear | Thnaks |
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| 14:55.11 | fossrox | hi everyone :) |
| 14:56.19 | mnuhmnuh | SanchoPensa: xul-ext-ublock-origin? |
| 14:56.48 | SanchoPensa | mnuhmnuh: r u suggesting to uninstall it via apt-get? |
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| 14:57.08 | fossrox | i'm trying to perform a netinstall on a laptop, what is the recommended alternative to unetbootin in order to prepare an usb stick? |
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| 14:57.36 | annadane | fossrox, win32diskimager if you're on windows |
| 14:57.47 | fossrox | debian 8 here |
| 14:57.50 | annadane | if you're already on debian, let me get the page... |
| 14:58.20 | Vizva | foxxrox cp image /dev/sd* |
| 14:58.30 | annadane | yeah, there you go |
| 14:58.33 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 14:59.05 | annadane | "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" and then "sync" |
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| 14:59.15 | fossrox | Vizva: thanks annadane |
| 14:59.16 | Vizva | yes |
| 14:59.17 | Vizva | sync |
| 14:59.48 | fossrox | i've tried dd but got some errors like "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
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| 15:00.31 | iknow1 | hi everyone. does nonfree debian image include intel blob for 7nt gen. intel cpu? |
| 15:02.26 | iknow1 | latest intel cpus require blob for internal gnu |
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| 15:02.48 | iknow1 | gpu* |
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| 15:03.10 | SuperTramp83 | iknow1: they don't from what I hear |
| 15:03.14 | gpunk | iknow1: if not you'll get by updating after install |
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| 15:04.05 | iknow1 | SuperTramp83: what doyou mean? |
| 15:04.14 | Vizva | SanchoPensathe your bookmarks are important? |
| 15:04.40 | Vizva | SanchoPensa |
| 15:04.56 | SuperTramp83 | iknow1: I mean I was told skylake and caby lake gpus work just fine without the blob |
| 15:05.00 | annadane | SanchoPensa, yes, install via apt |
| 15:05.19 | iknow1 | SuperTramp83: ah i see. good |
| 15:05.27 | borsh | Where can I find the kernel config of a recent kernel? |
| 15:05.36 | borsh | Which one is used in sid by the default? |
| 15:05.50 | SanchoPensa | Vizva: yes, i already backuped them |
| 15:05.57 | gpunk | borsh: it is kernel-source package |
| 15:06.01 | gpunk | in* |
| 15:06.06 | Vizva | SanchoPensa addons and plugins are located somehwere |
| 15:06.08 | SanchoPensa | annadane: thanks, i just uninstalled them via apt |
| 15:06.16 | annadane | SanchoPensa, i know for me ublock origin works in the debian unstable version of firefox-esr, the reason it doesn't work right now is firefox is updating with a new way of handling extensions, which means a lot of extension makers are switching... you can try revisiting the ublock origin page again and see if they've made it possible to install |
| 15:06.17 | borsh | gpunk: is there a git tree of the config somewhere? |
| 15:06.18 | Vizva | maybe you can simple delete them |
| 15:06.19 | SanchoPensa | Vizva: i know? |
| 15:06.22 | lift | I'm on Stretch. Any reason some drives in /dev/disk/by-id are listed by their model and serial num, but other drives are listed by wwn-0500...blah...blah random stuff? |
| 15:06.37 | gpunk | borsh: that i dont know it |
| 15:06.51 | annadane | SanchoPensa, the reason i say it works for me in unstable is that it didn't work before and now it does; it's possible that they've fixed it in stable as they fixed it for unstable |
| 15:06.56 | SanchoPensa | annadane: actually i wanted it UNINSTALLEd, as i does not work properly |
| 15:07.02 | annadane | oh, i'm sorry |
| 15:07.14 | SanchoPensa | oh, geeez... :D |
| 15:07.16 | borsh | gpunk: E: Unable to locate package kernel-source |
| 15:07.22 | SanchoPensa | ma ff is a mess... |
| 15:07.27 | annadane | well, now you know if you want to install it again :P |
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| 15:07.49 | SanchoPensa | annadane: yes, thank you buddy, but I actually prefer umatrix over ublock origin |
| 15:07.55 | SanchoPensa | more control, you know? |
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| 15:08.03 | annadane | if it's just a regular extension you added via the normal way you add extensions in firefox you can just go to your extensions page and uninstall that way, or apt remove foo if you installed foo using apt |
| 15:08.03 | Vizva | <SanchoPensa .mozilla/firefox/*******.default |
| 15:08.05 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: I think they go well together |
| 15:08.12 | gpunk | borsh: apt search linux-source |
| 15:08.13 | apollo13 | umatrix is no adblocker |
| 15:08.16 | veek | anyone use sysdig? how do you filter out a list of processes |
| 15:08.31 | Vizva | <SanchoPensa then delete all things in extensions? |
| 15:08.37 | lift | nvm, it's by both |
| 15:08.40 | Vizva | iam not sure but thats maybe |
| 15:08.43 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: or did you copy over all the block lists from ublock to umatrix? |
| 15:08.45 | borsh | gpunk: ok it is linux-source-4.12 |
| 15:08.46 | borsh | thanks! |
| 15:08.50 | gpunk | :) |
| 15:09.02 | borsh | gpunk: how do I install it without deps? |
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| 15:09.37 | SanchoPensa | Vizva: i already did that, thanks! :) |
| 15:09.45 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: nope, i did not. |
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| 15:09.55 | Vizva | :) it works? |
| 15:10.10 | SanchoPensa | but for blocking adds usually i use some flashblocker |
| 15:10.22 | Vizva | you can install new addons |
| 15:10.24 | SanchoPensa | Vizva: no, it does not? :D |
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| 15:10.31 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: ah okay, cause I tried using umatrix alone but it wasn't enough for me |
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| 15:10.36 | borsh | there is ublock-origin |
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| 15:10.51 | Stereo | Hi everyone. I'm in a bit of a pickle, with a server that won't boot after upgrading to jessie->stretch. |
| 15:10.51 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: nope, it is unfortunately not, but in combio with some flashblocker it is TEH SHIT |
| 15:11.01 | gpunk | borsh: You can try the --nodeps flag with apt-get |
| 15:11.16 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: I am fine with the ublock + umatrix combo for now :) |
| 15:11.17 | Stereo | The server itself is hundreds of kilometres away from me, of course. |
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| 15:11.37 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: only problem: it does not work on youtube any longer |
| 15:11.43 | SanchoPensa | which is, where i really need it most... |
| 15:11.48 | borsh | gpunk: E: Command line option --nodeps is not understood in combination with the other options |
| 15:11.55 | Stereo | I was able to boot it on a rescue image over the network, and am not really sure how to troubleshoot things. I see in /var/log/dmsg that it hung on [ 10.795956] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 15:11.56 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: I see no ads on youtube with ublock + umatrix |
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| 15:12.03 | SanchoPensa | i do. |
| 15:12.11 | SanchoPensa | and every things starts autoplay |
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| 15:12.16 | SanchoPensa | which annoys me deeply... |
| 15:12.25 | gpunk | borsh: --no-install-recommends ? |
| 15:12.37 | SanchoPensa | flashblock should actually keep it from autostarting. |
| 15:12.37 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: then my config must be better tuned :þ |
| 15:12.52 | apollo13 | oh, as said I do not use flashblock but ublock |
| 15:12.58 | SanchoPensa | but according to mozilla/firefox channel, youtube hat an upgrade lately. |
| 15:12.59 | apollo13 | that said you can turn off autoplay at the top right |
| 15:13.01 | borsh | https://packages.debian.org/hu/sid/all/linux-source-4.12/filelist |
| 15:13.01 | Stereo | The network card is just a simple e1000e |
| 15:13.20 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: that is, IF you allow cookies. |
| 15:13.30 | borsh | gpunk: thanks for help will do this |
| 15:13.35 | gpunk | :) |
| 15:13.38 | SanchoPensa | otherwise that option has to be re-enabled for every single f***ing tab you open. |
| 15:13.58 | gpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.58 | gpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.58 | gpunk | you can use apt-get download and then dpkg |
| 15:13.58 | Nawab | Barber1987: you there,did you install g++ ? |
| 15:13.59 | borsh | So much downloads for the single .config file :D |
| 15:14.10 | gpunk | sorry |
| 15:14.21 | borsh | it is already unpacking something |
| 15:14.24 | borsh | got it installed! |
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| 15:14.46 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: might be, I am making heavy use of container tabs, so youtube has their own set of cookies but it is not shared with any other tab |
| 15:15.42 | borsh | gpunk: found 4.12.6 config in /usr/src/linux-config-4.12 |
| 15:15.42 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: container tabs? the heck ios that? |
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| 15:15.54 | gpunk | borsh: tald ya |
| 15:15.56 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: isolates cookies etc of different tabs |
| 15:16.05 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: !!! |
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| 15:16.07 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers |
| 15:16.19 | SanchoPensa | is that the name of the extension? container tabs? |
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| 15:17.01 | apollo13 | it is a testpilot extension, but yeah, it seems to be coming to core |
| 15:17.02 | boodie | Hi (stretch); I am still battling to load the same packages from my old PC to the new one ... can anyone help? |
| 15:17.18 | borsh | gpunk: `apt-get autoremove` only removed linux-source-4.12 |
| 15:17.28 | borsh | gpunk: but not binutils binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu libbinutils |
| 15:17.28 | Nawab | what version of firefox,on which branch are you using? |
| 15:17.38 | borsh | gpunk: should I remove them by hand? |
| 15:17.57 | gpunk | borsh: if you are sure a 100% they just got installed |
| 15:18.03 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: namely https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers |
| 15:18.07 | Nawab | boodie: what was the system from where you got the old package list? |
| 15:18.11 | borsh | gpunk: it said The following NEW packages will be installed: |
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| 15:18.17 | Nawab | i mean which branch? |
| 15:18.24 | borsh | gpunk: why is not autoremove autoremoving these deps? |
| 15:18.39 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: geeez... |
| 15:18.54 | Stereo | Hi everyone. I'm stuck with a server that won't boot after upgrading to jessie->stretch. I see in /var/log/dmsg that it hung on [ 10.795956] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready. Any ideas? |
| 15:18.54 | gpunk | i dont know, maybe because they are standalone apps. |
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| 15:19.03 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: great right? :D |
| 15:19.10 | boodie | Both are Debian 9 |
| 15:19.10 | borsh | gpunk: not sure what this is |
| 15:19.18 | borsh | gpunk: thanks for help now I have the config |
| 15:19.26 | gpunk | :) |
| 15:19.26 | Nawab | Stereo: is your ethernet connected? |
| 15:19.47 | Nawab | and does it connect to the internet properly? |
| 15:20.02 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: well, that depends... says here, they should be enabled by default |
| 15:20.03 | Nawab | boodie: then idk |
| 15:20.32 | SanchoPensa | but first of all, it is not, and second, i can't find the apporpriate setting in about:config either... |
| 15:20.34 | boodie | is it a bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703092 |
| 15:20.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/703092 in dpkg (closed): «dpkg --set-selections ignores available packages never installed or removed by dpkg»; severity: important; opened: 2013-03-15; last modified: 2014-01-03. |
| 15:20.37 | Nawab | it should get loaded from the file |
| 15:20.40 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: depends on the firefox version and the current builtin version has less than the extension |
| 15:20.44 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: still pretty much in flux |
| 15:21.01 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: 52 is my version |
| 15:21.04 | Nawab | idk,im not a debian expert |
| 15:21.10 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: dunno, I am on 55 |
| 15:21.14 | SanchoPensa | reads here, should be integrated from 50 upwards |
| 15:21.16 | Stereo | Nawab: yeah, I booted the thing using a rescue image over the network. |
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| 15:21.26 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: r u on testing? |
| 15:21.30 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: unstable |
| 15:21.45 | SanchoPensa | oh geez! not for the faint of heart! :D |
| 15:21.46 | Stereo | Nawab: so I'm ssh'ing to it that way right now. The server itself is hundreds of km away, of course. It'd be no fun otherwise. |
| 15:21.57 | fossrox | guys, my netinstall freezes at "installed discover (amd64) 12%", any ideas what can be wrong? |
| 15:22.12 | Nawab | does the eth0 link work? previoiusly? or did you change something then it started borking? |
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| 15:22.23 | Nawab | ok |
| 15:22.47 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: ok, i found the setting and enabled it, so now, let's see... |
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| 15:22.59 | SanchoPensa | thanks for the hint anyways, i really appreciate it! |
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| 15:23.08 | Nawab | did you change any of this file: /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:23.52 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: you'll have to read about it though, not everything works fully yet (also imo only the extensions makes it useable, so certain urls open in certain containers by default). mozilla addons also might already have one or two addons building new stuff based on that feature |
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| 15:24.09 | Stereo | Nawab: nope |
| 15:24.36 | Stereo | They're simple files too, just a static IP |
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| 15:24.44 | Nawab | did you use nm? or did any other app change those files? |
| 15:24.45 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: what addons? |
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| 15:25.23 | apollo13 | SanchoPensa: dunno, didn't check, just saying there might already be some with interesting features |
| 15:25.40 | SanchoPensa | :D |
| 15:25.42 | SanchoPensa | i se. |
| 15:25.48 | SanchoPensa | see even |
| 15:26.01 | apollo13 | but the testpilot experiment I've linked above is already quite good |
| 15:26.26 | Stereo | Nawab: nm? I just checked with ls -l, they haven't changed since 2015. |
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| 15:26.48 | Nawab | apollo13: are there any online instructions to build firefox on linux? |
| 15:27.05 | Nawab | Stereo: idk then...what do you use,nm or those 2 files? |
| 15:27.12 | apollo13 | Nawab: sure, but unless you have a good reason, why do you wanna do that? |
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| 15:27.26 | apollo13 | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions |
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| 15:27.34 | Nawab | bcoz my default firefox tht comes with debian is quite slow |
| 15:27.35 | SanchoPensa | apollo13: much to read, i'll be into it for a while... |
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| 15:28.01 | apollo13 | Nawab: and rebuilding makes you think it will go faster? :D |
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| 15:28.16 | apollo13 | that said, ff55 is probably faster, but you should try fetching from testing first |
| 15:28.37 | apollo13 | actually unstable, but not sure how easy that will be to backport |
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| 15:28.55 | Nawab | apollo13: it is quite slow, and i was advised on the firefox channel to build from source |
| 15:29.01 | apollo13 | but if all you want to do is use a current firefox you could just download the prebuilt binaries from mozilla and put them in your homedir |
| 15:29.28 | Nawab | yeah run the binaries even |
| 15:29.36 | annadane | i found it quite slow as well |
| 15:29.41 | apollo13 | afaik firefox on debian is built with pgo, getting much more speed out of a selfbuild is not going to happen unless you absolutely know what you are doing |
| 15:29.59 | apollo13 | ie adjust compiler flags to match cpu instruction set better etc |
| 15:30.22 | apollo13 | anyways, the new eletrolysis stuff ist just starting to take shape, so I could imagine ff55 perform quite a bit better than 52 |
| 15:30.29 | Stereo | Nawab: ah, those files |
| 15:30.33 | apollo13 | at least that is my impression since I am on 55 |
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| 15:32.13 | Nawab | Stereo: ? |
| 15:32.38 | Stereo | Nawab: I use those files, not network manager. |
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| 15:32.43 | Nawab | ok |
| 15:33.01 | Stereo | It's not a missing module either: I see it loading it in the dmesg log file, [ 3.041922] e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 2.3.2-k |
| 15:33.14 | Nawab | ok |
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| 15:33.46 | Nawab | what are the contents of those files? can you check it and make sure they are ok? |
| 15:33.50 | lyakh | another question: what are well-supported light-weight desktops under debian now? XFCE? LXDE? |
| 15:34.08 | Stereo | I just did, they look pretty boring and normal |
| 15:34.15 | Nawab | lyakh: xfce is a good desktop (lightweight) |
| 15:34.22 | Nawab | ok |
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| 15:34.26 | Nawab | then idk |
| 15:34.35 | Stereo | Me neither! :) |
| 15:34.37 | Nawab | try netstat -in |
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| 15:35.07 | Dr_Coke | I don't use xfce because it's lightweight I use it because I love it |
| 15:35.12 | Stereo | While on the rescue image? Yeah, I see eth0 and lo. |
| 15:35.12 | Dr_Coke | the style and everything |
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| 15:36.14 | lyakh | Nawab: thanks, hm, I see Openbox referenced a lot... |
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| 15:36.27 | Nawab | openbox is lightweight too |
| 15:36.37 | Stereo | Ohhh I see dmesg is quite old too! I'm barking up the wrong tree. |
| 15:36.41 | Nawab | though i havent used it (neither xfce) |
| 15:36.50 | Nawab | you can also try i3,its cool |
| 15:36.59 | Stereo | Yeah, there's absolutely nothing in the logs. |
| 15:37.00 | Nawab | hmm |
| 15:37.03 | Stereo | !#@ |
| 15:37.07 | Nawab | then idk |
| 15:37.13 | Nawab | im no expert |
| 15:37.15 | Stereo | I'll try doing a netboot on an older kernel. |
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| 15:37.58 | |N| | hav you tried a ping? |
| 15:38.23 | |N| | if eth0 is up,then it should ping google.com easily |
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| 15:40.13 | |N| | brb |
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| 15:40.49 | drinks2go | anyone handy to help me with an install? |
| 15:41.06 | drinks2go | can't seem to find /boot on my mmcblk0____ |
| 15:41.24 | drinks2go | p1,p2,p3 boot1, boot2... all drops to busybox |
| 15:41.41 | BCMM | drinks2go: what sort of platform are you installing on here? raspberry pi? |
| 15:41.51 | drinks2go | no, it's a little asus netbook |
| 15:42.38 | Stereo | Yeah, no ping whatsoever when I boot on disk. |
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| 15:43.33 | boodie | Hi (stable): retrieving the packages installed on an old computer with the same debian 9 keeps failing. Used the method dpkg --get-selections > /path/to/packages_list, then dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/packages_list generates thousands of lines of error and it does not work. Any suggestions? |
| 15:43.48 | drinks2go | BCMM... ok randomly started working? The power of IRC... |
| 15:43.56 | BCMM | drinks2go: yw |
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| 15:44.19 | drinks2go | :P BCMM ty |
| 15:44.55 | BCMM | seriously though, from the very little information provided, i'm wondering if maybe a storage device is dodgy at a hardware level. might be worth checking that out before it comes back to bite you later |
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| 15:47.37 | drinks2go | BCMM, still having problems actually |
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| 15:48.40 | drinks2go | which is weird because I literally just had a tty, but I knew rebooting I would have the same issue |
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| 15:49.23 | drinks2go | I've run into this before, where installing debian from usb causes some kind of weirdness, computer thinks there's more hardware than there really is or something and instead of say /dev/sda1 it references /dev/sdb1 or whatever |
| 15:49.42 | drinks2go | Was able to fix that time, this time I can't seem to grok where anything is. |
| 15:49.44 | fossrox | seems like i'm affected by this issue: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794410 cannot find a work around |
| 15:49.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794410 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: Installer hangs during 'select and install software'»; severity: important; opened: 2015-08-02; last modified: 2017-08-05. |
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| 15:50.45 | fossrox | had a debian 8 installed on that machine earlier and was working like a charm |
| 15:51.01 | drinks2go | ok |
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| 15:51.12 | drinks2go | seems to be some kind of issue with system starting up |
| 15:51.30 | drinks2go | BCMM if I press e and just wait about a minute, make no changes, and ctrl+x I get a tty |
| 15:51.43 | BCMM | drinks2go: i.e. at the grub prompt? |
| 15:51.43 | drinks2go | if I try to boot directly from grub by letting it time out, I get busybox |
| 15:51.51 | drinks2go | BCMM yes |
| 15:52.04 | BCMM | i guess something doesn't initialise fast enough |
| 15:52.19 | BCMM | oh, you might be able to work around that by turning some kinda fast boot features off actually |
| 15:52.27 | BCMM | in eufi/bios settings |
| 15:52.33 | drinks2go | fast boot is off and was off for installation |
| 15:52.41 | drinks2go | bios is very limited, american megatrends |
| 15:52.42 | break19 | drinks2go: sounds like something to do with Device.map ? |
| 15:52.52 | BCMM | drinks2go: what is your root device on btw? you said it was /dev/mmc something? |
| 15:53.05 | drinks2go | /dev/mmcblk0pt2 |
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| 15:53.24 | drinks2go | installation did not bork, just seems to be the device isn't available for about a minute |
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| 15:53.27 | BCMM | drinks2go: and what *is* that? usually that scheme refers to SD cards |
| 15:53.38 | drinks2go | it's an eMMC... embedded memory |
| 15:54.13 | drinks2go | think sub 300 dollar netbooks. Not built to last :P |
| 15:54.25 | BCMM | so basically the netbook has mobile phone-style storage in lieu of a built-in ssd? |
| 15:54.32 | drinks2go | yezzir. |
| 15:54.48 | drinks2go | It's a POS, I got it for a good price though, I hate carrying around expensive gear. |
| 15:55.00 | BCMM | oh yeah, that's the original point of netbooks anyway |
| 15:55.10 | drinks2go | I would really have loved to get one with a proper sata port |
| 15:55.20 | BCMM | i'm still irritated that they got all expensive and basically became desktop replacements for people with tiny hands |
| 15:55.28 | drinks2go | ok, back on topic, can I delay boot somehow? |
| 15:55.36 | drinks2go | is there a kludge for this lol |
| 15:55.45 | break19 | my pos acer is a full x86 amd (E2 cpu) with a real hard drive and was under 300 bucks, too. j/s :) |
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| 15:55.49 | BCMM | when there's *definitely* a place for a cheap portable for people who have a "real" computer at home |
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| 15:56.12 | BCMM | drinks2go: yeah ok, back to topic: the device it can't find is the same physical device that grub is installed on, right? |
| 15:56.25 | drinks2go | errr hmm I had not thought of that |
| 15:56.42 | drinks2go | yeah, I just installed everything into one partition, so my assumption is yes? |
| 15:57.09 | BCMM | it's just i can't see what grub could be loaded from, but if it is the same device, i can't see how it can be a slow hardware initialisation thing |
| 15:57.24 | drinks2go | I know, but I can reproduce it quite easily now |
| 15:57.26 | break19 | sounds like grub is missing a module |
| 15:57.32 | drinks2go | ah! |
| 15:57.40 | drinks2go | can I find a log somehwere |
| 15:58.05 | drinks2go | I'm mostly have experience with web development so this is all beyond the scope of my linux experience. |
| 15:58.10 | annadane | journalctl maybe |
| 15:58.25 | BCMM | i'm still having a little difficulty understand where and when stuff goes wrong on the failed boots. grub comes up normally, but if you boot linux too soon, you get dumped at the rescue shell built in to the initramfs, right? |
| 15:58.32 | break19 | you may have better luck using a different boot loader |
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| 15:59.17 | drinks2go | BCMM yes. break19 suggestions? |
| 15:59.17 | break19 | grub is kinda a mini-operating system at this point. lol |
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| 15:59.32 | BCMM | drinks2go: maybe just try adding rootwait to the kernel command line |
| 15:59.37 | break19 | lilo is simple. syslinux is also simple. both of which might suit your purposes. |
| 16:00.32 | break19 | drinks2go: try what BCMM suggests first before you go trying to replace your bootloader. |
| 16:00.46 | BCMM | drinks2go: it hadn't occurred to me that an emmc would have issue with that since there's no spin up time and stuff, but it definitely sounds kinda race-conditiony, and this page actually suggests using rootwait for mmc devices http://linux-sunxi.org/Kernel_arguments |
| 16:01.00 | break19 | there ya go then |
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| 16:01.19 | BCMM | i have no idea how rootwait works with an initramfs btw |
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| 16:02.05 | BCMM | oh the "(e.g. USB and MMC devices)" is actually straight from the kernel docs |
| 16:02.40 | BCMM | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt for example |
| 16:03.16 | BCMM | drinks2go: do you need help with how to enable rootwait without typing it in every boot? |
| 16:03.16 | drinks2go | mmmk so ... where do I put this rootwait? |
| 16:03.31 | drinks2go | yeah it's not grub cfg is it |
| 16:04.04 | BCMM | actually i'm not sure, haven't been using debian specifically for that long |
| 16:04.21 | drinks2go | dies |
| 16:04.25 | BCMM | but i think the debian way of doing things is to use /etc/defaults/grub so it doesn't get automatically clobbered later |
| 16:04.44 | BCMM | s/defaults/default/ |
| 16:05.07 | BCMM | edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= to have rootwait in it |
| 16:05.57 | BCMM | drinks2go: ^ |
| 16:06.09 | drinks2go | BCMM giving it a shot |
| 16:06.39 | BCMM | drinks2go: be sure to boot it a few times to make sure it's fixed, a race condition thingy like this is liable to sometimes work normally just by chance |
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| 16:07.31 | drinks2go | BCMM first boot is good gonna try a few more as you suggested |
| 16:07.45 | BCMM | drinks2go: also try shutdown and cold boot as well as reboot |
| 16:08.36 | BCMM | drinks2go: oh by the way, because we used rootwait instead of rootdelay=something, it's possible to just get stuck indefinitely instead of getting dropped to the rescue shell. don't worry if this happens, just reboot the machine |
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| 16:09.15 | drinks2go | BCMM, second boot is good, even tried preempting the 5 second timeout by hitting enter. Got some kind of messages but ended up with a tty |
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| 16:11.15 | drinks2go | BCMM cold boot is good. Thanks man, looks like that did it. :) |
| 16:11.19 | BCMM | np |
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| 16:12.31 | drinks2go | now to roll my own de... lol I'm sure I'll be back in here. |
| 16:12.37 | drinks2go | thanks all! |
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| 16:16.58 | netzach | Hello |
| 16:17.06 | netzach | Is this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=868506 going to get fixed? |
| 16:17.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/868506 in zfs-dkms (open): «zfs-dkms: installation fails»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-07-16; last modified: 2017-08-31. |
| 16:17.09 | netzach | it seems nobody replied |
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| 16:28.00 | mnuhmnuh | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zfs-linux |
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| 16:34.19 | acagastya | https://i.imgur.com/6vyUzun.jpg |
| 16:34.28 | acagastya | Why is this happening? |
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| 16:34.46 | acagastya | The screen would flip. |
| 16:35.06 | mnuhmnuh | netzach: "Consult /var/lib/dkms/zfs/0.6.5.9/build/make.log for more information." # ? |
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| 16:57.46 | boodie | Hi I went through the "dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/packages_list" process and I received a long list of error messages e.g. "package not in status or not available database at line XYZ" and warning: found unknown packages; I think I worked it out. I went through the 1) dselect update , dselect access and dselect upgrade on both machines (source & destination), to ensure that dselect and the sources.list files are ali |
| 16:57.46 | boodie | enerated the list of packages with get-selections on the source machine, imported it on the destination machine with apt-get update && dpkg --set-selections < /path/to/packages_list && apt-get dselect-upgrade and it worked |
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| 17:14.36 | jhutchins | boodie: Whatever the differences were between your two statements they got cut off. |
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| 17:16.26 | le_pig | Anyone know of practical size limits applied to the .deb package format? Not the Installed-Size attribute, but the .deb package archive itself. |
| 17:16.35 | boodie | I found part of the solution here https://askubuntu.com/questions/727067/package-not-in-database-when-restoring-with-dpkg-set-selections ... basically dselect, apt sources shall be aligned on both machines, then the get-selections / set-selections can be done and concluded with apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 17:20.03 | boodie | Anyway, thanks for help |
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| 17:33.57 | tdn | I have a number of virtualbox guest VMs with both debian 8 and debian 9 running KDE desktop. All have the virtualbox additions installed. However, performance is significantly better on debian 8. Debian 9 is so slow that it is almost unusable. Resizing windows has a visible lag. And alt+tab between running windows is also maybe half a sec to change. Is anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 17:34.33 | tdn | The host is a modern quad core intel i7 CPU with 32 GB RAM and all storage is on SSD. |
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| 17:47.56 | maxcell_ | dammit, i broke my system |
| 17:47.57 | maxcell_ | =( |
| 17:49.07 | maxcell_ | i install pantheon desktop environment in a not very trusted way and gg |
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| 17:51.29 | netzach | mnuhmnuh: ? that file does not exist when the apt-get finishes |
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| 17:54.20 | Stereo | So it looks like my server is ignoring my /etc/network/interfaces and booting with no ip address. It's a pretty stardard one, just a static ip address. |
| 17:54.50 | Stereo | I've just upgraded jessie -> stretch. Any ideas of where I should start troubleshooting? I'm pretty lost right now. |
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| 17:56.16 | teraflops | Stereo: what happens when you do ifup the nicmane? |
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| 17:56.23 | cruncher | Stereo, by using paste.debian.org and posting your e/n/i |
| 17:56.39 | Stereo | teraflops: I don't know, it's in a data center far away! |
| 17:56.49 | Stereo | All I get is logs after I boot on a rescue image |
| 17:57.07 | |N| | Stereo: why not use dhcp? |
| 17:57.15 | Stereo | There's no dhcp server there |
| 17:57.23 | teraflops | you can use the rescue image for chrrot inyo it and then ifdown & ifup |
| 17:57.31 | teraflops | chroot^ |
| 17:57.58 | Stereo | https://paste.debian.net/984273/ |
| 17:58.00 | teraflops | Stereo: also lan ip address or wan ip address? do yu have ILO or similar? (serial console) |
| 17:58.10 | |N| | asking in irc on a weekend is a no-no |
| 17:58.10 | Stereo | wan; no serial console |
| 17:58.21 | Stereo | teraflops: that'd be the branch I'm sitting on, no? |
| 17:58.23 | cruncher | tdn, did you install vbox from the vbox repo? and on your stretch do you have the guest additions from the vbox repo? |
| 17:58.24 | teraflops | so wan, maybe is not your fault |
| 17:58.32 | Stereo | Well it works on the rescue image |
| 17:58.36 | teraflops | hmm |
| 17:58.36 | Stereo | And it worked with jessie |
| 17:58.43 | Stereo | And it worked before I broke it basically :) |
| 17:59.24 | annadane | maxcell_, how'd you install it, it's possible you can undo damage |
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| 17:59.57 | Stereo | It's a pretty basic /e/n/i |
| 18:00.05 | teraflops | indeed |
| 18:00.20 | Stereo | It's a basic debian kernel, an old-ish standard boring server, it's pretty puzzling. |
| 18:00.20 | annadane | and by "broke", what do you mean |
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| 18:00.44 | amydevnl | hi, i have a problem i have opend port 8083 in iptables but if i goes to myip:8083 i says connection refused, telnet says to connection refused... how can i fix that? |
| 18:00.48 | Stereo | annadane: it stopped replying to pings after rebooting, and it looks from the syslog like it's not getting an ip address. |
| 18:00.52 | teraflops | Stereo: but while in the rescue image how do you set up networking? using the ncurses-like menu? |
| 18:01.15 | annadane | Stereo, i was replying to maxcell |
| 18:01.17 | Stereo | Oh the rescue image figures it out somehow. |
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| 18:01.19 | Stereo | Ah, sorry |
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| 18:01.51 | teraflops | Stereo: the rescue image use your surrent installation? |
| 18:01.55 | teraflops | current^ |
| 18:02.06 | teraflops | as in same kernel and so on? |
| 18:02.26 | Stereo | no, it's a completely different image, provided by my hoster. |
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| 18:02.48 | teraflops | well, that's why, I guess |
| 18:03.01 | Stereo | It's debian-based, but doesn't even have an /e/n/i |
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| 18:03.10 | Stereo | Oh, I'm just using it to read my logs and try to fix things |
| 18:03.15 | teraflops | do you see dmesg stuff complaining about your nic or similar? |
| 18:03.42 | Stereo | nope |
| 18:03.52 | Stereo | It happily detects it |
| 18:04.27 | Stereo | Sep 3 19:43:18 rescue kernel: e1000e 0000:00:19.0 eth0: (PCI Express:2.5GT/s:Width x1) e0:69:95:bb:da:3e |
| 18:04.31 | Stereo | Sep 3 19:43:18 rescue kernel: e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None |
| 18:04.42 | teraflops | Stereo: bu that's the rescue kernel |
| 18:04.46 | Stereo | And then, instead of setting the ip address, it does, well ,nothing |
| 18:04.47 | teraflops | but |
| 18:04.59 | Stereo | No that's the debian one |
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| 18:05.05 | teraflops | called rescue :P |
| 18:05.07 | teraflops | ok |
| 18:05.11 | Stereo | Oh wait |
| 18:05.16 | Stereo | That's the rescue one |
| 18:05.17 | Stereo | indeed |
| 18:06.01 | Stereo | Hmmmm |
| 18:06.02 | Stereo | Sep 3 19:35:56 xenophile kernel: [ 3.577188] e1000e 0000:00:19.0 eth0: (PCI Express:2.5GT/s:Width x1) e0:69:95:bb:da:3e |
| 18:06.13 | Stereo | But it never gets to the "eth0 NIC Link is Up" message |
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| 18:07.11 | teraflops | is networking systemd service enabled? |
| 18:07.36 | teraflops | try enabling it, it wont hurt |
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| 18:08.15 | teraflops | Stereo: I guess youre chroot'ed |
| 18:08.19 | Stereo | Yeah |
| 18:08.24 | Stereo | Hmmmmm |
| 18:09.49 | Stereo | like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-networkd ? |
| 18:09.55 | Stereo | Name is just eth0 right? |
| 18:10.03 | teraflops | nope |
| 18:11.02 | teraflops | Stereo: I mean e.g systemctl status networking |
| 18:11.12 | teraflops | the name is networking |
| 18:11.32 | Stereo | Ah, it runs on the rescue, but I've never used it |
| 18:11.39 | Stereo | I thought you meant, just switch it on, it can't hurt |
| 18:11.45 | Stereo | I guess that's how the rescue gets its IP |
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| 18:11.58 | teraflops | Stereo: afaik it has to be running |
| 18:12.20 | teraflops | it has to be running on your real system too |
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| 18:12.45 | teraflops | but maybe you never heard of it, me neither till a couple of weeks ago :P |
| 18:12.49 | Stereo | Yeah, I've just never configured it. The /e/n/i stuff ran just fine. |
| 18:12.51 | Stereo | Hah, yeah |
| 18:13.05 | Stereo | Just like the systemd ntp client |
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| 18:15.05 | teraflops | anyway having a serial console to troubleshoot remote systems helps a lot |
| 18:15.24 | Stereo | I know! Oh how I wish I had one! |
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| 18:16.03 | teraflops | we have ILO which gives you access to a serial console |
| 18:16.10 | teraflops | but it uses java⦠|
| 18:16.27 | Stereo | I'll try to just throw the stuff into systemd's networking thing and reboot. It can't hurt. |
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| 18:16.40 | teraflops | hmmm |
| 18:17.01 | teraflops | then comment out your /e/n/i I think |
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| 18:17.37 | teraflops | you dont want 2 network management tools running at the same time for same nics |
| 18:17.46 | spigot | I've never heard of having to change my DPI manually when changing resolutions to keep the UI from scaling absurdly- is this because somehow gnome/kde handles that, and lxde isn't? it correctly gets the DPI from the EDID the monitor spits out, and at the native 720 resolution, it's like trying to use a monitor set to 640x640 or smaller. setting the resolution to 1080 makes the UI and fonts appear properly, |
| 18:17.52 | spigot | but this isn't the native res of the card, I don't want the extra overhead to try to push 1080, and the font rendering looks awful :P |
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| 18:18.35 | spigot | I don't like the idea of messing with xorg.conf when I don't have to- I dont like bandaid solutions that don't address the problem :D and every solution seems to be 'just manually define your dpi' |
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| 18:19.47 | Stereo | teraflops: fingers crossed! |
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| 18:21.11 | netzach | Hello |
| 18:21.19 | netzach | there are no replies on this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=868506 does it mean it is abandonned? |
| 18:21.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/868506 in zfs-dkms (open): «zfs-dkms: installation fails»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-07-16; last modified: 2017-08-31. |
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| 18:21.40 | teraflops | Stereo: good luck! |
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| 18:22.25 | Stereo | teraflops: more than two minutes, and nothing. |
| 18:22.36 | Stereo | !@# |
| 18:22.37 | teraflops | :\ |
| 18:22.43 | spigot | of course everyone here has a newer gfx card and a proper DE :P I'd just install gnome or cinnamon but I don't want to fight with getting it installed minus the network manager, or instalilng it and somehow disabling the network manager |
| 18:23.06 | spigot | FYI if you're messing with network stuff in systemd it's helpful to change the timeouts because they're sometimes absurdly long (like 5 minutes) |
| 18:23.09 | teraflops | Stereo: I dont think is /e/n/i related though |
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| 18:23.37 | Stereo | Yeah, it smells like something that happens before that |
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| 18:23.40 | teraflops | Stereo: you may want to try another one like NM or systemd-networkd though |
| 18:24.22 | Stereo | Oh, this was systemd-networkd |
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| 18:25.14 | teraflops | I suppose you set it up properly :P |
| 18:25.21 | Stereo | Of course not :) |
| 18:25.33 | teraflops | heh, give a try to NM then |
| 18:25.36 | teraflops | you can use nmtui |
| 18:26.03 | Stereo | I'll wait for it to reboot in rescue mode. |
| 18:26.07 | Stereo | This is so frustrating. |
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| 18:26.47 | spigot | where's the hangup? I recently reinstalled openmediavault 'cause I just couldn't figure out what when wonky with networking. it works flawlessly now with the new install, and I have no clue why wifi worked sometmies and not others |
| 18:26.51 | teraflops | but I still think that's not the issue |
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| 18:27.30 | Stereo | Where else could the issue be? |
| 18:27.46 | Stereo | What is there between the ethernet card drivers and /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 18:28.04 | teraflops | kernel related? if the rescue system works fine and the real one doesnt? |
| 18:28.12 | spigot | a firmware issue? |
| 18:28.12 | Stereo | Yeah |
| 18:28.15 | Stereo | Hmmmm |
| 18:28.23 | jhutchins | spigot: That's wifi. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
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| 18:28.49 | Stereo | I've got firmware-linux-free and firmware-misc-nonfree installed |
| 18:28.50 | teraflops | Stereo: but it's hard to say unless you see logs on the system saying something related |
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| 18:29.06 | spigot | jhutchins: I thought it was a hardawre issue it was so bad, even switched cards. I still don't know what went wrong. I assume I hosed a systemd script somewhere and never fixed it |
| 18:29.24 | teraflops | spigot: same for bluetooth :P |
| 18:29.25 | jhutchins | Stereo: Are you using NM to configure it? |
| 18:30.07 | jhutchins | Stereo: You'll have the same kernel, modules, and firmware either way, so it's something else. |
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| 18:31.25 | teraflops | Stereo: also checked when chroot'ed the dist-upgrade went fine? |
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| 18:31.42 | spigot | oh this is post dist-upgrade o_O |
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| 18:31.57 | teraflops | as in apt-get -f install exits clean and there are no packages hold or whatever? |
| 18:32.03 | teraflops | spigot: yep ^ |
| 18:32.09 | cruncher | Stereo, how are you trying to reach it exactly? |
| 18:32.20 | cruncher | or why you judge it isnt available? |
| 18:32.23 | Stereo | cruncher: plain old ping |
| 18:32.44 | cruncher | Stereo, yes, but ping what? |
| 18:32.49 | Stereo | I'm judging it not available because of that and ssh, and because ntp doesn't have the ip address in the listen section in the logs |
| 18:32.51 | teraflops | Stereo: you get same ip while in the rescue image? |
| 18:32.56 | Stereo | teraflops: yeah |
| 18:32.58 | teraflops | ok |
| 18:33.18 | Stereo | jhutchins: it's not the same kernel |
| 18:33.29 | Stereo | I'm starting to wonder if it's a kernel thing |
| 18:33.42 | Stereo | I guess I could try whatever 3.something jessie came with |
| 18:34.07 | jhutchins | Stereo: It's the SAME KERNEL AND MODULES. |
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| 18:34.32 | teraflops | jhutchins: while in the rescue image kernel is different |
| 18:34.53 | jhutchins | Stereo: It's possible rescue mode uses some different options. |
| 18:35.12 | Stereo | Yeah |
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| 18:35.23 | jhutchins | teraflops: If you're booting to external media that could be true, but not if you're booting to a diffrent mode on the same source. |
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| 18:35.46 | Stereo | So I'll try with linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 18:35.59 | Stereo | jhutchins: it's like external media |
| 18:36.13 | teraflops | jhutchins: he already said is using a custom image from the provider, not even debian just debian based |
| 18:36.20 | Stereo | The hoster has a clever netboot thing. No idea how it works under the bonnet, but you get a full booted debian system. |
| 18:36.29 | Stereo | Yeah, debian-based. |
| 18:36.35 | Stereo | It's really quite clever. |
| 18:37.07 | teraflops | they might provide a serial terminal too :S |
| 18:37.36 | Stereo | That would cost actual money per unit. |
| 18:37.38 | mmm4m5m | Hi. I have debian stretch and nvidia 9600 GT. Installed nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver but the driver hangs my PC completely. Any advice? I found 2 more complains but no answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/381049/failed-to-load-module-nvidia-after-upgrading-to-stretch and https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390120/xorg-crashes-when-using-nvidia-proprietary-driver |
| 18:38.10 | Stereo | So 3.2 is less than 4.9 so the old kernel should be the grub default... |
| 18:38.17 | spigot | are you sure you need 340 and not 304? nvidia-detect gave me bad info for my card and I had to use the older one. just FYI |
| 18:38.22 | Stereo | Oh god, it's detecting all the VMs |
| 18:38.38 | Stereo | " WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." |
| 18:38.44 | Stereo | Scanning a lot! |
| 18:38.49 | Stereo | Ok, let's see. Rebooting. |
| 18:39.01 | Stereo | or let's see what grub.cfg says |
| 18:39.17 | mmm4m5m | spigot: absolutely sure, my PCI ID is 622: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.135/README/supportedchips.html |
| 18:40.11 | mmm4m5m | Hm. I can try the old (I were considering to the the new one) |
| 18:40.39 | Stereo | Ahh, linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 was still the default. |
| 18:40.43 | Stereo | I'll just remove it |
| 18:41.03 | Stereo | So I'll now just have the kernel that worked fine under jessie |
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| 18:41.21 | Stereo | And I think I actually rebooted once under stretch with it and it worked fine |
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| 18:42.21 | teraflops | you can reach the server remotely like before? |
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| 18:42.45 | Stereo | I'll see after it reboots |
| 18:43.12 | Stereo | Gah, I rebooted it into rescue mode again. I almost thought it worked! |
| 18:43.22 | Stereo | Trying again. |
| 18:43.47 | teraflops | Stereo: I wish you have backups |
| 18:43.59 | Stereo | I do, and I can access the files anyway |
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| 18:44.15 | teraflops | good |
| 18:44.41 | Stereo | Ohh I should have uncommented the /e/n/i and removed the systemd stuff |
| 18:44.55 | teraflops | yep |
| 18:45.02 | teraflops | iirc I told you so |
| 18:45.05 | Stereo | It's not working in any case |
| 18:45.08 | Stereo | Hah you probably did |
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| 18:45.19 | Stereo | You told me to use nm |
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| 18:45.56 | teraflops | because I had doubts about you setting up networkd correclty :P |
| 18:46.32 | teraflops | give a try if you want for the sake of it I think |
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| 18:50.06 | mmm4m5m | spigot: do you have nvidia 9600 too? did you try driver 340 which they provide on their web page? http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/112997/en-us |
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| 18:51.57 | teraflops | Stereo: I find some ipv6 corner cases a PITA while using networkd |
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| 18:52.11 | mmm4m5m | ...restarting with 304xx |
| 18:52.40 | teraflops | to the point that just creating a custom service full of ip commands looks easier :\ |
| 18:52.47 | spigot | oh my no, sorry I just have a very old one and had to find a list online to corroborate. the nvidia-detect tool told me it would work with both the default and the 340 and those were both wrong. |
| 18:52.49 | cmyers | I found a bug in a kernel module which is compiled into a standard debian kernel image (4.8.0-2). Should I use hte reportbug tool to report the bug on the linux-image-(uname -r) package? or somewhere else? |
| 18:53.07 | spigot | sorry to lead you down a possibly wrong path, I just know that nvidia-detect isn't flawless |
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| 18:53.49 | Stereo | I'm now comparing my /etc with backups, see if anything has changed there. |
| 18:53.55 | cmyers | I was going to report it on the firmware-iwlwifi package but reportbug told me "this is a firmware package and almost certainly hte wrong place to report it" - Id say the chances the bug is firmware versus kernel is 50/50? |
| 18:54.14 | spigot | (sees an opportunity to plug etckeeper) |
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| 18:54.46 | spigot | I dont know how people run a debian system without /etc backups, or having it version controlled. makes life after upgrades so much easier |
| 18:54.51 | Stereo | Hmmmmmmm |
| 18:54.54 | Stereo | network/interfaces.d is gone |
| 18:54.58 | Stereo | I wonder what took it |
| 18:55.07 | spigot | are you using stock debian? |
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| 18:55.34 | teraflops | spigot: oh, did you have stuff before the dist-upgrade? |
| 18:56.00 | spigot | distros like openmediavault will happily remove custom scripts and configs when you update settings through their UI |
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| 18:56.09 | Stereo | spigot: yeah I'm using etckeeper <3 |
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| 18:56.14 | teraflops | that's gross |
| 18:56.31 | spigot | oh, no I haven't actually done a jessie->stretch update yet :) but it is super helpful for huge updates that change a lot of configs |
| 18:56.48 | teraflops | removing the shit, not about using etckeeper |
| 18:57.09 | spigot | ahh okay lol |
| 18:57.12 | n4dir | spigot: depends how much changes you made to /etc ... |
| 18:58.35 | teraflops | spigot: if you do backups /etc is a good dir for taking care already |
| 19:00.02 | Stereo | Hmm, I see a new dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.network1.conf |
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| 19:02.46 | teraflops | Stereo: look at journalctl for failed services too, dmesg for hints about the nic having problems, using a different image for troubleshoot may fool you at some point |
| 19:02.52 | |N| | hello |
| 19:03.04 | |N| | anyone can help me set up .bashrc? |
| 19:03.15 | |N| | im redefining custom paths |
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| 19:03.35 | annadane | |N|, sure, give us the relevant details |
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| 19:03.39 | teraflops | Stereo: also after a failed reboot journalctl -bX will show you the journal for the given boot attempt which would be helpfull |
| 19:03.45 | Stereo | teraflops: how could I run journalctl when booting on rescue? |
| 19:03.46 | Stereo | Ahh |
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| 19:03.49 | teraflops | failed as in you had no network |
| 19:03.54 | |N| | http://paste.debian.net/984280/ |
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| 19:04.02 | |N| | this is the bashrc file |
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| 19:04.24 | |N| | while doing go build random-file.go,i get the following error |
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| 19:04.34 | Stereo | I suppose you need to set some kind of path? |
| 19:04.55 | |N| | bash: /opt/go1.8.3/go/bin/go: No such file or directory |
| 19:05.20 | |N| | but i copied the contents of the go tar archive to tht location |
| 19:05.40 | Stereo | Ah, mkdir -p /var/log/journal |
| 19:05.42 | Stereo | Ok, let's see. |
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| 19:09.08 | |N| | how to fix it? |
| 19:10.05 | Stereo | I'm just so tired and frustrated. Why won't this come up?! |
| 19:11.53 | mmm4m5m | spigot: "nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver" - my computer hangs again. With "nvidia-driver" - nvidia module can't be loaded at all |
| 19:12.13 | |N| | anyone? |
| 19:12.29 | spigot | mmm4m5m: strange. I mean not that it hangs as well, just that both of them do :/ |
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| 19:12.55 | spigot | teraflops: true; I should be doing regular backups :) |
| 19:13.43 | |N| | hello? can anyone help me? |
| 19:13.51 | spigot | |N|: everyone can see what you're saying, and nobody is waiting for you to prompt them to help you :P |
| 19:14.10 | |N| | :| |
| 19:14.19 | teraflops | Stereo: you have to chroot or at least mount existing system and search for journals by hand |
| 19:14.38 | mmm4m5m | have to restart again... 256 colors are not enough... |
| 19:14.40 | spigot | |N|: seems like a relatively easy thing to address. you have verified that directory in /opt exists and that the go executable is where it's looking? |
| 19:14.52 | |N| | yeah |
| 19:15.38 | annadane | nobody's answering because people don't know the answer to your question... |
| 19:15.43 | annadane | if i did i would |
| 19:15.44 | |N| | i hav the contents at the right place |
| 19:15.47 | spigot | is the executable set +x so it can actually be executed? maybe untaring the archive wiped the permission, or it wasn't actualy set to begin with |
| 19:16.01 | |N| | ok lemme check |
| 19:16.24 | spigot | I think you get a different error if whatever /opt is mounted on is set noexec, so I doubt that's it. |
| 19:16.26 | Stereo | teraflops: yeah, the directory wasn't created. But it did create one now, but there's nothing interesting in there. |
| 19:16.41 | |N| | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8314126 Sep 4 00:16 go |
| 19:16.59 | teraflops | Stereo: unless you already had stuff there it doesnt matter |
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| 19:17.23 | spigot | and you can do `/opt/whatever/go --version` and that runs okay? |
| 19:17.48 | |N| | no |
| 19:17.49 | Stereo | It doesn't log old boots unless /var/log/journal is created. |
| 19:17.51 | |N| | same error |
| 19:18.02 | Stereo | But now it did but there's nothing of interest in there. |
| 19:18.22 | tabemann | I have a problem - I just did a apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade on my machine, and now light-locker does not work and lightdm is acting weird |
| 19:18.31 | spigot | well that's definitely a problem. what's the most polite way to suggest a typo somewhere might be the problem? :) |
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| 19:18.44 | tabemann | light-locker itself refuses to start |
| 19:18.52 | tabemann | as in the binary itself |
| 19:18.56 | Stereo | Oh shit. Ifupdown wasn't installed. |
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| 19:19.02 | Stereo | That might have been it |
| 19:19.04 | spigot | because you've said that you checked that dir and the go exe is in there, but if you try to run it manually from the shell, then ... it's saying that isn't the case. |
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| 19:19.09 | Stereo | It can't ifup eth0 because there's no ifup command |
| 19:19.14 | spigot | ^ hah. awesome @stereo lol |
| 19:19.33 | teraflops | spigot: use ip link set eth0 up |
| 19:19.35 | |N| | there is a go executable there at tht place |
| 19:19.38 | teraflops | Stereo: |
| 19:19.42 | Stereo | Oh god. |
| 19:19.47 | |N| | i can show a pic if you want |
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| 19:19.51 | Stereo | I hope it was that, but I hope I wasn't that stupid! |
| 19:19.52 | spigot | try `file /opt/whatever/go` |
| 19:20.03 | Stereo | Rebooting now |
| 19:20.05 | spigot | is it a script that runs something else or it is the actual binary, is what I'm looking for |
| 19:20.12 | |N| | go: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, not stripped |
| 19:20.23 | spigot | so it should just run. what happens when you cd there and do ./go |
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| 19:20.28 | |N| | its a binary |
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| 19:20.45 | |N| | ./go |
| 19:20.46 | |N| | bash: ./go: No such file or directory |
| 19:20.51 | mmm4m5m | maybe /opt is mounted without 'exec' |
| 19:20.56 | Stereo | OHFORGOODNESSAKE |
| 19:20.56 | spigot | same place, `ls -la go` |
| 19:21.00 | |N| | no |
| 19:21.28 | |N| | i mounted root directory(no separate /opt) as relatime and sync |
| 19:21.32 | Stereo | thank you so much teraflops and jhutchins |
| 19:21.42 | Stereo | It's coming up now. |
| 19:21.57 | |N| | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 4 00:16 . |
| 19:21.57 | |N| | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Sep 4 00:16 .. |
| 19:21.57 | |N| | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8314126 Sep 4 00:16 go |
| 19:21.57 | |N| | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12715942 Sep 4 00:16 godoc |
| 19:22.00 | |N| | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2881270 Sep 4 00:16 gofmt |
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| 19:22.10 | teraflops | so what was the issue? not getting up automatically? |
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| 19:22.18 | |N| | sorry |
| 19:22.33 | spigot | sokay, it was the bot |
| 19:22.35 | mmm4m5m | it was automatic kick :) |
| 19:22.45 | |N| | no for the spam |
| 19:23.01 | spigot | yeah, we're saying the bot did it- none of us really cared ;) |
| 19:23.02 | Stereo | It was the ifup command missing. |
| 19:23.15 | teraflops | Stereo: :S |
| 19:23.23 | Stereo | apt install ifup; reboot |
| 19:23.25 | spigot | well you're in a directory with an executable and ./executable says 'no such file or directory' - tmie to ask google |
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| 19:23.35 | Stereo | teraflops: that's exactly how I felt. |
| 19:23.44 | |N| | ok |
| 19:23.51 | |N| | anyone else can help? |
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| 19:24.17 | |N| | maybe its a fault in the .bashrc file |
| 19:24.26 | teraflops | Stereo: I dont get the issue then, do you need ifup? while doing the dist-upgrade it wansnt installed? |
| 19:24.33 | spigot | I think it's a 32bit exe |
| 19:24.38 | |N| | should tht line be in bashrc ? or .bash_profile |
| 19:24.41 | spigot | and you might not have multilib |
| 19:24.45 | spigot | or wahtever 32bit lib its looking for |
| 19:24.48 | |N| | yeah |
| 19:24.50 | teraflops | spigot: glad you solved it though |
| 19:24.55 | teraflops | fuck |
| 19:24.56 | spigot | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2716702/no-such-file-or-directory-error-when-executing-a-binary |
| 19:24.57 | teraflops | sorry spigot |
| 19:25.04 | teraflops | I meant Stereo |
| 19:25.05 | spigot | sokay :D |
| 19:25.45 | Stereo | I must have gotten rid of ifup at some point, maybe when upgrading the kernels |
| 19:25.55 | spigot | I mean, that's an *awful* error message if the case is a missing 32bit library |
| 19:26.05 | |N| | yeah |
| 19:26.18 | |N| | downloaded the wrong file |
| 19:26.31 | spigot | but that's also why dozens of years of linux has honed my google-fu :) |
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| 19:28.52 | spigot | well only 2 dozen I guess. no lol only 20 years. I don't think I used debian until potato, which was 2000. I think I was using slack in '97. maybe redhat |
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| 19:31.26 | n4dir | make it 3 dozens and you will give up on google |
| 19:32.25 | diqidoq | which notification deamon I have to talk to under Debian with libnotify / notify-send under lxde ? atm nothing pops up. notification-daemon is installed already. |
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| 19:33.12 | Stereo | teraflops: thank you again. I'm off for dinner with friends now, thanks to you. |
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| 19:33.56 | setra | Situation: Host A, B(man-in-the middle), C. I would like to connect from A (port 1234) to host C network. Host C is in a restricted network and dials itself to host B via SSH and registers on a port (32000) there to be picked up. How can I connect to this port via SSH (no login possible only rsa_id which lies on host B) |
| 19:34.52 | diqidoq | setra: The way you describe it it feels like: well .. IF it would be possible it would be not secure. |
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| 19:35.53 | diqidoq | setra: You would like to connect C from A thru B but without identification on B? That sounds liek you want C to behave like not caring about who A is. |
| 19:36.15 | n4dir | setra: you can just ssh -p 32000 <IP-of-B> ? |
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| 19:38.04 | diqidoq | n4dir: setra says C is in a restricted network connected to B via SSH. For me it sounds like you can only connect to C via B. |
| 19:38.41 | tugrik | I think you need to be more specific about what you mean by "registers on a port" and "picked up" setra |
| 19:38.51 | diqidoq | tugrik: true. |
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| 19:39.55 | n4dir | diqidoq: yeah, to me the whole situation isn't that clear. Hence the question mark (if it was that easy, he/she would have come up with the idea itself, i guess) |
| 19:40.48 | mmm4m5m | Hi. All nvidia drivers fail with 9600 GT. How can I install older kernel? There is bug report saying it works with kernel 4.7: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=868180 |
| 19:40.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/868180 in nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver (open): «nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver: desktop freezes after some time when system is booted with kernel 4.9»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-12; last modified: 2017-07-12. |
| 19:41.12 | diqidoq | password2 is now known as password4 ? password4 is now known as password2? (chat log) ... sth wierd is going on here. |
| 19:41.54 | diqidoq | Oh Dear! ... Nvidia ... and Debian ... *facepalm* |
| 19:42.41 | mmm4m5m | it is old card, it were working all these years. What card you have for games? |
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| 19:43.39 | password2 | diqidoq, ? |
| 19:44.33 | diqidoq | mmm4m5m: "working" is a diversified description of sth regarding graphic cards. there a million ways of making you fell it works. |
| 19:44.37 | password2 | mmm4m5m, which card do you have? |
| 19:45.00 | mmm4m5m | 9600 GT, PCI ID 622 |
| 19:45.07 | password2 | since my last debian upgrade I've been having ideo issues too |
| 19:45.19 | diqidoq | password2: I was joking ;) The chat log way looking strange when you renamed your nick :) |
| 19:45.19 | password2 | ok yours is a lot newer than mine |
| 19:45.40 | password2 | i sometimes go all the way to password32 |
| 19:45.48 | diqidoq | password2: lol |
| 19:46.16 | mmm4m5m | There are 2 question in stackexchange about 9600 and few bugs under nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver. No solution, no answers, no ideas. I have no idea what to do. |
| 19:46.26 | password2 | but this time it was to piss of someone that was trying to put me on ignore |
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| 19:48.41 | diqidoq | password2: oh :/ ... you shouldn't ignore that someone put you on ignore list. ;) thats very transgressive. |
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| 19:49.44 | password2 | eh |
| 19:49.58 | password2 | they have since then rage quited |
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| 20:02.17 | mmm4m5m | Hi. Is there easy way to keep and disable nvidia driver? More easy that way until I find a solution. |
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| 20:03.15 | setra | diqidoq, C can only connect on its call (SMS with port) via ssh to B and allocates the requested port on B localhost and I get a SMS on establised connection. So C is connected to B. now I want to automatically connect to C via SSH |
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| 20:06.10 | setra | n4dir, ok host C uses LocalForward 32000 localhost:22 in config file to establish connection |
| 20:07.01 | n4dir | ssh from A to B, then ssh to localhost? |
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| 20:08.48 | setra | n4dir, I can ssh from A to B no problem, also from B to C , 2 steps since host C does not allow user/password login. So I have keys on host B for user on C. What I can not do is ssh from A to C directly with config file |
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| 20:09.37 | setra | I want A to connect to localhost:32000 on B without intervention |
| 20:09.51 | n4dir | copy the key from B to A ? |
| 20:10.11 | setra | yes I read that but I don't want that |
| 20:10.24 | n4dir | i for one wouldn't care if i had to ssh from A to B and then from B to A |
| 20:10.31 | n4dir | ups, then from B to C |
| 20:10.59 | setra | I just want to use the authentication methods available on A, which is only keys for B |
| 20:11.12 | n4dir | there is keychains or similar. I barely know it and i don't think it helps here. |
| 20:11.17 | setra | I would end up having hundreds of keys on my laptop then |
| 20:11.36 | n4dir | hundreds? |
| 20:12.03 | setra | if B would keep track of all keys I only select target host |
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| 20:13.04 | n4dir | sorry, i don't get you. |
| 20:13.06 | setra | maybe one day now I got 10 offline servers I administer, so I have to request a connect and can then actually connect to it |
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| 20:14.43 | setra | could not find a solution to use the keys to login via config file and identity |
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| 20:15.14 | diqidoq | ah localforward .... now some things make sense |
| 20:15.53 | n4dir | IdentityFile ~/.ssh/to_laptop_rsa |
| 20:16.04 | n4dir | that in .ssh/config |
| 20:16.13 | setra | yes host C logs into B and allocates a port (with localforward) |
| 20:18.23 | diqidoq | needs to reboot |
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| 20:18.47 | n4dir | setra: https://paste.debian.net/984286/ |
| 20:18.51 | setra | n4dir, C already logged into B, so I can use the connection to C on port 32000. If I connect from B to C I have in the config file: Hostname localhost\ User C\ Port 32000\ IdentityFile ~/.ssh/HostC.rsa_id |
| 20:19.06 | n4dir | that is close to my .ssh/config. I do "ssh some-name" |
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| 20:19.49 | diqidoq | can somebody ping me pls? |
| 20:19.56 | diqidoq | (test) |
| 20:20.07 | n4dir | diqidoq: tut |
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| 20:20.36 | setra | n4dir, but now I'm not on host B. I want to connect from A -> C directly, so what can I put into my A's config file |
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| 20:20.39 | diqidoq | n4dir: thanks! |
| 20:20.44 | diqidoq | hm ... |
| 20:20.49 | setra | diqidoq, pong |
| 20:20.51 | diqidoq | n4dir: again ? :) |
| 20:21.02 | diqidoq | setra: thanks |
| 20:21.13 | n4dir | setra: you can just append a command to ssh. I never tried if "ssh ssh " works. Might be worth a try |
| 20:21.19 | n4dir | diqidoq: |
| 20:21.44 | diqidoq | well , it seems notification-daemon does not start on system start. I have to start it manually to see notifications from notify-send |
| 20:21.49 | diqidoq | thx n4dir, setra |
| 20:21.59 | n4dir | setra: you ssh from A to B; and append the command ssh to that ssh to do the same again, this time to ssh to C. Perhaps that way you can make use of the existing config of ssh on B |
| 20:22.14 | n4dir | makes any sense? |
| 20:23.08 | setra | n4dir, yes but doesn't work |
| 20:23.15 | n4dir | damnit |
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| 20:24.21 | diqidoq | strange. notify-osd is in the desktop session settings activated fpr start up but notification-deamon is not. |
| 20:24.22 | n4dir | you simply don't want to put the ssh-key for C on A? |
| 20:24.27 | n4dir | or doesn't that work? |
| 20:25.03 | n4dir | setra: i assume there is an IRC channel for ssh too. I would try that (at least: too) |
| 20:25.23 | setra | n4dir, might work but this is not the solution, I want keys only on B. otherwise it would be a mess. ...OK I will search |
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| 20:26.09 | n4dir | setra: as far it's me it isn't a mess, but i respect your opinion. Of course. |
| 20:26.43 | diqidoq | setra: be careful with anything special you want but cant find anything in the web. I learned the hard way that sometimes the universe tries to tell you something. Why dont you use a custom script on your machine to handle all the multiple logins or to simplify your logins for you. the pro is that no security whole can know your script. ;) |
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| 20:27.33 | n4dir | i would even consider all keys on A too to be a damn good backup for the keys. |
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| 20:31.27 | setra | keys on A make sense because I want to login to C from A, but actually I want B loggin in to C for me and hand the connection over to my ssh agent |
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| 20:32.26 | setra | so I log into B and get the connection for the user on C |
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| 20:33.18 | setra | so I always log with my same pk access into B and have not to care about 100 different users if they are mastered by B. -> right |
| 20:33.39 | setra | btw and all users on b have public key logins on C's |
| 20:34.06 | pie3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.10 | setra | I would need to have a highly sensitive .ssh directory on my laptop |
| 20:34.46 | n4dir | sensitive? |
| 20:35.06 | setra | I need private and public keys for all users |
| 20:35.29 | diqidoq | setra: For me it reads like you tell me a story about that you have put a ladder between two skyscapers and you are in the middle of it and ask me what is the best way to perform jumps without falling down ... o.O |
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| 20:36.00 | diqidoq | *hides* |
| 20:36.27 | n4dir | you use keys to connect from A to B too (or passwords, whatever) |
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| 20:37.56 | setra | yes I have a user which connects via keys to B (which does not allow user/pass access as well) |
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| 20:39.46 | setra | A(PK)->B then further B(has PK for user on C)->C |
| 20:39.53 | vktec | Is there a package to add the nonfree repo? A number of other distros have them and I find it useful for keeping lists of what I've installed (or, in this case, using metapackages generated by equivs to control changes my root partition) for ease of reinstalling |
| 20:40.21 | n4dir | setra: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11861817/creating-a-ssh-tunnel-passing-through-a-bridge-machine |
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| 20:42.13 | Walakea | i want to make a persisent live debian usb following this: https://www.linux.com/blog/creating-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-persistence-non-techies |
| 20:42.13 | Walakea | However my gparted shows /dev/sdb2 (~400 kB) and the rest of USB as unallocated space |
| 20:42.20 | setra | n4dir, if would be so simple if I could use user and password on C |
| 20:43.14 | juon | Hi |
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| 20:43.26 | juon | Morning, Evening, Night for everybody |
| 20:43.45 | juon | How are minimize to tray Polari IRC Client ? |
| 20:43.57 | juon | Minimize to Tray |
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| 20:48.46 | tugrik | setra: what you're trying to do does sound horrible ;) |
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| 20:49.48 | tugrik | setra: I wonder if you can either mount the relevant .ssh on B using SSHFS, or if you could mount the unix domain socket in the same way, and then SSH from A to C |
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| 20:50.36 | vktec | setra: Sounds like you want jump hosts. It's the -J option if you're using OpenSSH |
| 20:51.13 | vktec | Though that requires keys for C on A, not on B |
| 20:51.38 | bl33d15 | hi all! ) |
| 20:52.18 | vktec | To summarise, you'd do ssh -J user@B user@C <options here> |
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| 20:57.57 | setra | tugrik, why is it horrible? |
| 20:58.53 | setra | vktec, if this is the correct terminology, but I can not use user/password only public key authentication (that's the pitfall) |
| 20:59.12 | vktec | Yes, that'll work with key auth |
| 20:59.23 | vktec | But you need both keys on A |
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| 21:00.33 | setra | vktec, yes keys supposed to be on A but I do not want that, since if I log into B. I just type ssh HostC, because there is the config file and the keys, I want to use that already prepared environment |
| 21:00.44 | iamtakingiteasy | hi, i have a different system with different libc inside /home/user/root directory; created with debootstrap. I want to use it's binaries with it's libc version in my outter system. I can exec individual binaries using something like: |
| 21:00.48 | iamtakingiteasy | /home/user/root/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --library-path /home/user/root/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ /home/user/root/usr/bin/whoami |
| 21:01.08 | iamtakingiteasy | question: how do i wrap all subsequent shell invocations trhough ld-linux*so.2 ? |
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| 21:02.33 | vktec | setra: Are you port forwarding? (I wasn't here for the original question) |
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| 21:03.25 | setra | vktec, C connects to B with localforward 32000 localhost:22 , so I have ssh access on C if I connect from B to localhost:32000 |
| 21:04.03 | setra | C connects only on request via SMS an B tells me via SMS if it's connected |
| 21:04.15 | vktec | Okay, so what's your end goal? |
| 21:04.53 | setra | I want to connect from A -> C via ssh everything in the config file |
| 21:05.01 | setra | so type: ssh HostC |
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| 21:05.19 | setra | no private/public keys on my Lap A |
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| 21:05.34 | setra | only PK for my TunnelUser for B |
| 21:05.37 | vktec | Hmm... |
| 21:06.00 | setra | for now I do ssh B -> then ssh C and get the login on C |
| 21:06.16 | setra | so easy but can not just ssh C |
| 21:06.50 | apollo13 | sure you can, add ProxyJump B as config option to your .ssh/config for Host C |
| 21:06.56 | vktec | You might be able to use ProxyCommand somehow |
| 21:07.10 | apollo13 | ProxyCommand is old, ProxyJump is the new hotness |
| 21:07.23 | vktec | I already suggested that (well, the -J option which is equivalent). It's not what's wanted |
| 21:07.44 | apollo13 | what does it miss? |
| 21:07.52 | setra | apollo13, all the keys need to remain where they are. |
| 21:08.01 | apollo13 | that is what ProxyJump does |
| 21:08.17 | apollo13 | it doesn't do ssh agent forwards |
| 21:08.32 | vktec | Try ProxyCommand ssh user@B nc localhost 32000 |
| 21:08.49 | setra | vktec, can't do since no user/pass login |
| 21:08.50 | apollo13 | or did you mean that B has a key for C |
| 21:08.57 | setra | apollo13, yes |
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| 21:09.26 | vktec | You don't need a password. It'll use the key as long as it's configured correctly |
| 21:10.03 | apollo13 | ssh -o "ProxyCommand ssh -W C B" C should work? |
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| 21:10.25 | setra | apollo13, I try, need to wait on connection for C |
| 21:10.46 | vktec | Nice one apollo13. I didn't know about -W |
| 21:11.00 | vktec | Might want -W localhost:32000 for the port forward though |
| 21:11.01 | apollo13 | actually I am not sure that that would work |
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| 21:11.15 | apollo13 | pretty sure it doesn't, since it will ignore the jumphost |
| 21:11.19 | yoooo | I have a question about the software app in debian. i've noticed that it doesn't display all software that is available in the repos. why is that? |
| 21:11.52 | vktec | No, that won't work, actually. In that case, A still needs a key for C |
| 21:12.37 | n4dir | which as far it's me is the most easy and most natural solution |
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| 21:13.30 | yoooo | for example with apt-search I can find more programs than in Software app |
| 21:13.53 | yoooo | apt search |
| 21:13.54 | apt | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
| 21:14.03 | yoooo | ooops |
| 21:14.27 | vktec | setra: You'll probably find it's far, far easier to just have key for C on A |
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| 21:15.47 | vktec | If you insist on doing it this way, ask on #openssh |
| 21:15.52 | vktec | More experts there :) |
| 21:16.20 | n4dir | let's hope they don't think putting the key on A is the best solution ... :-) |
| 21:16.27 | setra | yes ok thanks for the effort. I thought since I can do it manually easy automation on A->C is even easier |
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| 21:18.11 | n4dir | setra: if you don't mind: if they come up with a solution, give feedback. |
| 21:18.16 | setra | just for reference, before giving up: ssh -t HostB ssh HostC ... works |
| 21:18.53 | setra | why can this not be packed into the config file, WTF |
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| 21:19.17 | vktec | Yeah, I just looked at man ssh_config to see if you could do that. Appears not :( |
| 21:20.01 | jhutchins | yoooo: I'm not sure why the gui app wouldn't search as well, but it's not surprising, the CLI applications are more capable. |
| 21:20.59 | jhutchins | yoooo: It's possible that the GUI is using something other than the sources.list or maybe skipping sources.list.d/ |
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| 21:22.20 | setra | vktec, This is some BS, I'm so not used to that terminology "can't be done", mostly user to stupid error, but in this case I feel like having a bad day |
| 21:22.52 | yoooo | jhutchins: I prefer using apt to install software but some users aren't familiar with terminal and also I'm curious what's different about those two methods |
| 21:23.28 | yoooo | jhutchins: if it wasn't using sources what could it be using? |
| 21:23.38 | jhutchins | yoooo: I don't use the GUI app, so I don't know if it's stand-alone or if it wraps apt-get or aptitude or apt. |
| 21:24.16 | jhutchins | yoooo: One of the great things about learning linux is learning how powerful the command line is. Learning to use it for software management is a good introduction. |
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| 21:25.33 | jhutchins | yoooo: It might store it's sources somewhere else. I have no idea. There is probably some documentation for it. |
| 21:25.52 | yoooo | jhutchins: I think the same but not every user might share our views. Some people just don't want to learn and they want everything to work for them without having to worry about remembering commands |
| 21:26.02 | yoooo | I will try to search for documentation |
| 21:26.30 | jhutchins | yoooo: If they don't want to learn I don't have much sympathy. They can use Windows (and pretend they don't have to learn to do that). |
| 21:27.18 | n4dir | yoooo: as far remembering commands is concerned: enable alternate history completion in /etc/inputrc and it will be most easy. |
| 21:27.26 | n4dir | assuming that isn't default on debian yet |
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| 21:27.39 | yoooo | cool I will check that out |
| 21:28.18 | n4dir | yoooo: yup. it is really cool. All i have to remember is how a command started (for apt-get i would type <a> then hit the page-up key, and will go through the list.) |
| 21:28.47 | n4dir | very helpful if i need to add all kind of weird options/arguments to a command. |
| 21:29.01 | yoooo | jhutchins: I would rather them using gnu/linux than windows. Everyone deserves a free and secure operating system that doesn't spy on them. If they want to learn how powerful it is that's great but if they prefer using their computer for browsing cat videos that's their choice |
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| 21:29.27 | yoooo | yeah it happens to me too and I didn't know it was possible to make my own autocomplete rules |
| 21:30.59 | n4dir | not really <own rules> as far i can tell, but a bit more fine grained than *all* history |
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| 21:31.21 | yoooo | cold you give me an exmaple on how to use it? |
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| 21:32.23 | n4dir | i just type the beginning of a command i want to get autocompleted (from history). So i type "ls"; hit page up, and it will show the last usage of ls |
| 21:32.36 | n4dir | i hit page up again, the command before the last command, etc |
| 21:33.11 | n4dir | so you will have to remember how the command you look for started. |
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| 21:33.59 | yoooo | nice! |
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| 21:34.35 | n4dir | yup. saved me a lot of time |
| 21:35.02 | yoooo | what do I need to type into that file though? do I ned to restart something after I change it? |
| 21:35.13 | n4dir | wait. i have to look in my file |
| 21:35.31 | n4dir | "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 21:35.44 | n4dir | sorry |
| 21:35.53 | n4dir | "\e[6~": history-search-forward |
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| 21:36.20 | n4dir | if there are entries for \e[5 and \e[6 already, you have to comment or remove them |
| 21:36.36 | n4dir | you also need to log out of the *terminal" (not the gui) and start it again |
| 21:36.42 | n4dir | or start a new tab or such. |
| 21:36.56 | n4dir | ok? |
| 21:37.13 | yoooo | \e[6~ is there but it's commented out |
| 21:37.25 | n4dir | I think in debian's /etc/inputrc is an example ... you just said it |
| 21:37.28 | yoooo | yes I get it thanks :) |
| 21:37.32 | n4dir | cool. |
| 21:37.49 | n4dir | shit knows why this isn't enabled by default. so cool |
| 21:39.26 | petemc | you can search history with ctrl r |
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| 21:40.29 | yoooo | that is also cool |
| 21:40.39 | rotaticus | feels like zsh history where is the difference? |
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| 21:41.09 | n4dir | might be cool, but i don't get it :-) |
| 21:41.19 | yoooo | n4dir: I just typed a beginning of a command and pressed page up but it changed it into a word "history" |
| 21:41.37 | n4dir | did you start a new terminal session ? |
| 21:41.48 | yoooo | yes I did |
| 21:42.04 | yoooo | oh wait |
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| 21:43.09 | yoooo | turned out I ucommented the wrong stuff by mistake |
| 21:43.15 | yoooo | it works now and is sooo coolk! |
| 21:43.28 | n4dir | tell me bout it. happens all the time to me. |
| 21:43.41 | yoooo | I feel like a god now :D |
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| 22:14.44 | foul_owl | Hi folks. Where can I find a list of all options available for preseed.cfg? |
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| 22:15.06 | foul_owl | Trying to preseed the ssid and password. I can't be the only person who has ever wanted to do this :) |
| 22:15.13 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
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| 22:24.32 | ChmEarl | foul_owl, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt |
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| 22:25.38 | ChmEarl | foul_owl, see early_command or late_command |
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| 22:54.19 | foul_owl | I want to set the SSID during the install process |
| 22:54.32 | foul_owl | How would I even do that with an early command? |
| 22:55.41 | foul_owl | I can use sed for example to configure /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? Would that even work during install? Would the path be the same? Does the installed have sed or awk available? |
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| 23:01.41 | ChmEarl | foul_owl: d-i netcfg/wireless_essid string xxyy |
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| 23:07.09 | foul_owl | Thank you!!! |
| 23:07.15 | foul_owl | Where can I find the documentation for that? |
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| 23:10.59 | ChmEarl | foul_owl, debconf-get-selections --installer > file |
| 23:11.17 | ChmEarl | first install debconf-utils |
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| 23:11.46 | foul_owl | Awesome |
| 23:11.48 | foul_owl | Thank you again |
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| 23:12.00 | ChmEarl | foul_owl web search for `d-i netcfg` |
| 23:14.09 | ChmEarl | foul_owl, your media needs firmware for your Nic |
| 23:14.24 | foul_owl | THank you! I'm using the nonfree netinst images |
| 23:14.31 | foul_owl | Always have to use those |
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