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| 00:09.54 | empty_cup | i'm learning about NSS, PAM, LDAP, RADIUS, and am amused to find in Debian 8 nsswitch.conf compat used (inclusion of NIS user attributes in local system files) |
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| 00:10.34 | empty_cup | why not files as the default for those entries? |
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| 00:42.27 | xp | Can you guys please point me to a good C programming language reference package that runs from the terminal? |
| 00:43.18 | dvs | what? like build-essential? |
| 00:43.20 | Sveta | a cli version of Stroustrup's book would probably work |
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| 00:44.29 | xp | dvs, does build-essential include documentation for c functions and libraries? |
| 00:44.59 | dvs | xp. ah no. |
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| 00:46.47 | xp | I would like to know sintaxe for C functions and the content of its libraries. If I type "man scanf" I get a good description of the function. I want just that |
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| 00:48.23 | dvs | xp, why can't you use a web site? |
| 00:49.11 | xp | dvs, what if I'm programming offline? |
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| 00:49.43 | mnuhmnuh | xp: i knew a guy who swore by just grepping the header files. no more authoritative force than that. |
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| 00:50.45 | Tom01 | use man then |
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| 00:53.52 | xp | Tom01: Man doesn't seem to have pages for all functions in C |
| 00:54.22 | Tom01 | which one? |
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| 00:56.06 | xp | Tom01: sleep() at unistd.h for example |
| 00:56.28 | dvs | xp man 3 sleep |
| 00:57.52 | xp | Oh, my. That's good stuff |
| 00:58.05 | xp | Man rocks |
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| 00:59.37 | xp | Can man show the functions made available by each standard libraries? |
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| 01:47.39 | will | sup guys |
| 01:47.57 | will | so i go ahead to reverse scrolling direction for my trackpad to natural |
| 01:47.59 | bazhang | debian will |
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| 01:48.11 | will | ...and the damn mouse reverses as well :/ |
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| 01:48.29 | will | how do you guys deal with all this stuff |
| 01:48.49 | bazhang | which stuff |
| 01:48.55 | will | I have a host of other issues which I assume are driver related, but i dont even know which drivers/firmware i should be looking for |
| 01:49.07 | will | when i come out of suspend or hibernate i get a black screen |
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| 01:49.19 | will | thats my most pressing issue atm |
| 01:50.03 | will | how is debian so large and takes forever to install and doesnt work out of the box with my hardware; yet mint is so small and quick to install, and works flawlessly out of the box? |
| 01:50.33 | will | Whats in debian that makes its ISO so large and long to install |
| 01:50.36 | psychoghost | You need the firmware key |
| 01:51.47 | will | is this of relevance? |
| 01:51.49 | will | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 01:52.15 | tx | will: dunno about you, but my debian ISO was ~120mb |
| 01:52.25 | tx | everything worked OOTB too. |
| 01:52.28 | psychoghost | It's under the non free section |
| 01:52.48 | psychoghost | Yeah that's the thing |
| 01:53.32 | psychoghost | My laptop needed it so I used it and everything now works normal |
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| 01:53.53 | will | tx, wut? |
| 01:53.59 | will | where is this iso you speak off |
| 01:54.02 | will | of* |
| 01:54.16 | will | mine was like GB iirc |
| 01:54.25 | will | 2 GB8 |
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| 01:54.31 | will | sighhhh ** |
| 01:55.04 | will | I'm ready to do a clean install if i'll get some piece of mind |
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| 01:55.30 | will | I'm running into other random issues concerning my work, virtualenv, pip, that I hope are unrelated to this |
| 01:56.30 | psychoghost | Net installation |
| 01:56.45 | psychoghost | Use the net installation it's like 200mb |
| 01:57.19 | tx | yeah :) |
| 01:57.27 | psychoghost | DebÃan is a great distro ð shame you have problems with it |
| 01:57.30 | tx | Requires accessible network connection during install obviously. |
| 01:57.34 | will | oohh thats what that is |
| 01:57.44 | will | i went and got the dvd |
| 01:57.52 | tx | will: the ISO's work like this.. |
| 01:58.04 | tx | Get the most popular / important packages, put them on disc 1 |
| 01:58.24 | tx | then sort by popularity, keep going and adding discs until you run out of packages. |
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| 01:58.43 | tx | I believe they are also categorized as well. |
| 01:58.53 | will | ok i had considered trying that, but, the DVD and all the extra stuff it presumably comes with, still wouldnt work with my wifi hardware |
| 01:58.56 | tx | I haven't used them for a long time though, netinstall. :) |
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| 01:59.14 | tx | Hmm well, you might need to give it a try. |
| 01:59.20 | will | I was forced to wait a few days until i could hook up and ethernet cord then install drivers for my wifi card |
| 01:59.24 | tx | Hard to tell unless you have the make / model. |
| 01:59.36 | will | of wifi hardware? |
| 01:59.42 | will | how do i get that from console |
| 02:00.17 | tx | lspci (probably) |
| 02:01.25 | will | tx, https://pastebin.com/JBAtaVjv |
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| 02:02.30 | tx | will: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 02:02.45 | tx | You could use one of these ISOs, which include non-free firmware (such as Intel's wireless firmware) |
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| 02:03.14 | psychoghost | Yes what TX said |
| 02:03.31 | psychoghost | The non free section what I said in the beginning |
| 02:03.42 | psychoghost | It loads on installation |
| 02:03.49 | will | awesome I'll install tonight |
| 02:03.54 | tx | cool! |
| 02:04.04 | psychoghost | The installer will ask if you want to load |
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| 02:07.08 | Henry151 | Hi #debian |
| 02:07.16 | Henry151 | can somebody help me with some crontab stuff? |
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| 02:07.26 | AlexLikeRock | hi Henry151 welcome |
| 02:07.30 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.35 | Henry151 | I want to look at my crontab and see if I have correctly formatted "run this command every five minutes" |
| 02:08.04 | Henry151 | the line says "*/5 * * * * /path/to/script" |
| 02:08.22 | AlexLikeRock | Henry151, http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html |
| 02:08.52 | AlexLikeRock | mmm |
| 02:09.25 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.50 | AlexLikeRock | 5 * * * user /pat |
| 02:10.02 | themill | AlexLikeRock: no |
| 02:10.07 | themill | Henry151: yes, looks fine |
| 02:10.38 | Henry151 | so, next question, how can I look at a log and see that it has been run every 5 minutes? |
| 02:10.38 | AlexLikeRock | themill, well , last time i do like i say, no matter |
| 02:10.42 | themill | Henry151: assuming this is in your personal crontab not /etc/crontab |
| 02:10.47 | AlexLikeRock | Henry151, test |
| 02:10.53 | Henry151 | this is "crontab -e" as user |
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| 02:11.27 | themill | Henry151: auth.log will show it being run; if you need more than that, you'd have to make the job do some logging into a file |
| 02:11.41 | Henry151 | q! |
| 02:11.50 | Henry151 | lol |
| 02:11.55 | Henry151 | oops, meant for the crontab |
| 02:12.08 | Henry151 | auth.log ... looking for that now, thank you |
| 02:12.53 | AlexLikeRock | your welcome ;-) |
| 02:13.08 | AlexLikeRock | a small pizza to my home :-D |
| 02:13.49 | Henry151 | so, i'm trying now "grep nameofscript /var/log/auth.*" |
| 02:13.52 | Henry151 | and getting nothing |
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| 02:14.05 | Henry151 | looking directly at the log, i don't see it either |
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| 02:16.11 | themill | «journalctl -u cron.service -f» follow along the relevant logs |
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| 02:19.38 | Henry151 | thanks |
| 02:19.41 | Henry151 | i see it there |
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| 02:20.06 | Henry151 | now the question is, why isn't it doing what i thought it would do, once every five minutes? XD I'll work on that on my own. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:20.24 | Henry151 | one more Q though |
| 02:20.26 | Henry151 | what's Sep 03 22:20:01 tb CRON[16523]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) |
| 02:25.28 | dvs | Henry151, it cannot mail the output of the script |
| 02:25.51 | Henry151 | hm |
| 02:27.52 | themill | Henry151: output would be emailed to the crontab owner -- you need a simple MTA installed. Doesn't need to be complex, just something like dma, nullmailer etc to either drop it in the local mail spool or pass it off to another host |
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| 02:30.18 | Henry151 | installing postfix now, but super confused; my confusion is because the script i'm running is supposed to send an email |
| 02:30.34 | Henry151 | so I'm confused, because if I execute the script manually, it does send an email |
| 02:30.57 | Henry151 | but cron is also supposed to mail me the output of the command? |
| 02:31.01 | dvs | Henry151, ah, the cron script doesn't have a path set up |
| 02:32.30 | drinks2go | so... can someone just name some alternatives in the same vein as fbpanel and tint2? |
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| 02:33.27 | Henry151 | dvs: maybe you can help me figure this out? |
| 02:33.36 | Henry151 | The script I'm trying to run is this: http://termbin.com/afom |
| 02:33.47 | Henry151 | it's in a folder that is in my system path |
| 02:34.11 | Henry151 | that's /home/henry/Applications/binscripts/batchargemessage |
| 02:34.40 | dvs | Henry151, there is no PATH when running scripts from cron unless you set one up. |
| 02:34.58 | Henry151 | ok |
| 02:35.08 | Henry151 | so how can I set it up to work XD ? |
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| 02:35.35 | Henry151 | right now if I type at a terminal, anywhere, "battery_charge_message" the script runs, and emails a text message to me if the battery is below a certain percentage and discharging |
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| 02:36.39 | dvs | Henry151, type "echo $PATH" in the terminal |
| 02:37.19 | Henry151 | as root, I get |
| 02:37.20 | Henry151 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 02:37.35 | Henry151 | as a regular user, I get |
| 02:37.40 | Henry151 | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/henry/Applications/binscripts:/home/henry/Applications/binscripts |
| 02:38.19 | Henry151 | i'm editing cron with crontab -e as henry |
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| 02:38.25 | dvs | Henry151, put "PATH=<output>" at the beginning of the script you're trying to run in cron |
| 02:39.01 | Henry151 | output of echo $PATH as user or as root? |
| 02:39.03 | Vasistha | Having trouble with my thinkpad built-in mic. Volume is extremely low. I've tried adjusting different levels... sometimes I can get a higher volume with ridiculous noise. Used to work, not sure what changed. Running jessie, alsa, kde, not any other sound stuff I'm aware of |
| 02:39.19 | dvs | Henry151, whatever user is running the script |
| 02:39.47 | Henry151 | dvs: thank you |
| 02:39.49 | Henry151 | will try |
| 02:39.55 | Henry151 | wait five minutes and see if it works :D |
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| 02:47.25 | Henry151 | dvs: you rock |
| 02:47.29 | Henry151 | it works now |
| 02:47.44 | dvs | yay |
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| 02:48.26 | Henry151 | :D |
| 02:48.50 | Henry151 | i'm super happy about it too. My laptop will now text me if the battery is belor 75% and discharging. |
| 02:48.57 | Henry151 | below* |
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| 02:49.22 | Henry151 | if that's not the gosh-darned coolest thing ever i don't know what it is |
| 02:49.52 | Henry151 | I feel like I should have it text me about all kinds of other stuff too, but I can't think of anything else that I really want it to tell me |
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| 02:51.58 | gerforce | hello, i have a problem with installing mariadb-server. It prompts: dpkg: error processing package mariadb-server-10.1 (--configure): |
| 02:51.59 | gerforce | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.37 | gerforce | i have searched the problem, but couldn't find a way to solve it. |
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| 02:56.31 | crt8086 | apt-get update gets me: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
| 02:56.57 | crt8086 | any idea what is wrong, and how to fix it? |
| 02:59.56 | Vasistha | crt8086: you might start by looking at the file permissions: lt -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 03:01.11 | crt8086 | Vasistha: 600 |
| 03:02.06 | Vasistha | crt8086: I don't know what it "should" be but mine is readable by all |
| 03:02.57 | Vasistha | crt8086: are you running as root? |
| 03:03.37 | Vasistha | oh ... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406799 |
| 03:03.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/406799 in apt (closed): «the varying permissions of /etc/apt/trusted.gpg»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-01-14; last modified: 2010-03-02. |
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| 03:04.25 | Vasistha | crt8086: so nothing weird there. you could do some tests using just apt-key |
| 03:04.46 | Vasistha | crt8086: like, apt-key list |
| 03:05.06 | Vasistha | should give you a list of all the signatures (and an indication that the file is ok?) |
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| 03:13.46 | crt8086 | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 03:20.31 | Henry151 | so |
| 03:20.55 | Henry151 | I need an "if blahblahblah then" where it is like, "if there have been any unauthorized login attempts, then" |
| 03:21.32 | nvz | I got a debian 8 box that the user is telling me is popping up a message in firefox saying a critical update is available and when I ssh in it shows the update, but says its being kept back for some reason when I apt-get upgrade |
| 03:21.50 | Henry151 | if grep "authentication failure" /var/log/* then" |
| 03:21.57 | Henry151 | how's that sound |
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| 03:25.28 | crt8086 | hmm, best i can figure, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is hosed up. if i rm it, how can i rebuild it? |
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| 03:30.41 | crt8086 | think i am making progress. The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 |
| 03:31.07 | crt8086 | is the public key missing from the server? |
| 03:34.14 | nvz | crt8086: if you've installed the most updated key package and apt-get updated afterward, then yes its possible the mirror is broken |
| 03:35.09 | nvz | most all archives have a package which contains the keys there is no need to deal with them manually |
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| 03:48.42 | crt8086 | nvz: how should i reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
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| 03:53.54 | nvz | crt8086: well you could apt-get --purge remove then apt-get install, but a apt-get --reinstall install may be enough |
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| 03:54.54 | nvz | crt8086: you do however have to apt-get update after changing keys |
| 03:57.01 | crt8086 | http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: |
| 03:57.13 | crt8086 | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 03:58.10 | crt8086 | not sure what is going on. starting to think it is something on the server end |
| 03:58.37 | nvz | I just installed something on a remote debian 8 box from security |
| 03:58.48 | nvz | moments ago |
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| 04:01.44 | nvz | crt8086: I don't see that 8B48 key anywhere in my keyring but the 9D6D one is for jessie security |
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| 04:03.44 | crt8086 | nvz: the jessie keyring would make sense as to why i am having issues |
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| 04:03.58 | crt8086 | not sure what is doing that. old package? |
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| 04:04.24 | nvz | crt8086: idk we should gather some information and paste it on paste.debian.net |
| 04:04.30 | cerebro | anyone installed 'jupyter' on jessie from pkgs? (https://wiki.debian.org/Jupyter) |
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| 04:05.10 | cerebro | is it just the 'jupyter-client jupyter-notebook' pkgs that are needed? |
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| 04:09.36 | nvz | crt8086: { cat /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-key list; apt-cache policy } > apt.log |
| 04:09.54 | nvz | crt8086: then choose upload on paste.debian.net and upload apt.log |
| 04:10.47 | nvz | crt8086: { cat /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-key list; apt-cache policy; } > apt.log |
| 04:10.53 | nvz | forgot the ending semicolon |
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| 04:12.02 | nvz | not sure why it needs that, but I do know bash won't understand that if all commands don't end with a semicolon |
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| 04:13.18 | nvz | these are the kinds of things I want to make a program to automate, compiling these logs and making them available for support, the same way reportbug does |
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| 04:17.38 | Blendify | where is a good place to install additional software? |
| 04:17.52 | nkuttler | Blendify: additional software? |
| 04:18.05 | nvz | Blendify: synaptic or aptitude package managers |
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| 04:18.44 | Blendify | just some cmdline stuff composed of a couple php scripts |
| 04:19.03 | nkuttler | Blendify: ~/local |
| 04:19.40 | nvz | Blendify: if you mean a VFS location for optional packages common options are the users homedir ~/.local/bin/ or for global /usr/local/bin or /opt/ |
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| 04:20.16 | cerebro_ | '/opt', also |
| 04:21.09 | nvz | I personally use all three for different purposes. I use /opt/ for larger packages like say a upstream firefox or crossover or something, I use /usr/local/bin/ for small things used by all, and ~/.local/bin/ for things specific to the user |
| 04:21.14 | Blendify | what is the best place for a directory of scripts? just put the dir in the bin folder |
| 04:21.47 | nvz | Blendify: no, use /usr/local/bin/ if it needs to be for all users, because debian packages wont touch any of those three locations I mentioned |
| 04:22.07 | OtakuSenpai | hello |
| 04:22.22 | Blendify | https://github.com/phacility/libphutil for example |
| 04:22.27 | nvz | I have some scripts that are in /usr/local/bin/ that also call scripts in ~/.local/bin/ so the user can add their own hooks |
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| 04:23.16 | OtakuSenpai | when i come back after a few mins on gnome de,gdm asks for login password and then the mouse just disappears... |
| 04:23.36 | OtakuSenpai | any help? |
| 04:23.36 | OtakuSenpai | i am without mouse |
| 04:23.37 | nvz | Blendify: if you use a subdirectory you'd have to alter the PATH variable, just dump em in /usr/local/bin/ which is empty by default |
| 04:23.49 | Blendify | ok |
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| 04:24.07 | OtakuSenpai | oh it came back |
| 04:24.44 | nvz | OtakuSenpai: I imagine you mean the mouse cursor, because if the mouse is dissapearing you should go to the hospital and get a drug test |
| 04:24.59 | nvz | or an eye exam :P |
| 04:25.05 | OtakuSenpai | ;) |
| 04:25.27 | OtakuSenpai | yeah,it disapears and reappears |
| 04:26.08 | nvz | I think I've seen that before, not sure what causes it, but some machines i believe I've seen the cursor disappear during inactivity. Not sure what process is doing this |
| 04:27.02 | nvz | I think I'd actually rather my cursor vanish when its not moving |
| 04:27.27 | nvz | I know gpm does that on console |
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| 04:31.33 | nvz | ,info unclutter |
| 04:31.34 | judd | Package unclutter (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: hides the mouse cursor in X after a period of inactivity. Version: 8-20+b1; Size: 17.2k; Installed: 52k; Homepage: https://web.archive.org/web/20151129214845/http://ftp.x.org/contrib/utilities/ |
| 04:32.03 | nvz | this seems to be the most popular method of hiding the mouse cursor, maybe you have that installed. Its most common on machines with touchscreens to do this |
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| 04:34.41 | nvz | OtakuSenpai: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false |
| 04:34.54 | nvz | that is also said to help some people experiencing similar issues |
| 04:35.39 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 04:36.05 | OtakuSenpai | whts gsettings? |
| 04:36.52 | nvz | well the same setting would be in roughly the same location in dconf |
| 04:36.59 | nvz | that was from an ubuntu forum |
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| 04:37.25 | nvz | it could also be your video driver's hw cursor is the issue, you can revert back to sw cursor by making an xorg conf.d file |
| 04:38.48 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 04:39.23 | abulletforfree | I just installed virtualbox and restarted because I was getting warnings about some kernel modules which had not been loaded or installed. After restarting lightdm now just shows a mouse and the login prompt is missing. I have no idea where to start troubleshooting that without a browser |
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| 04:44.47 | nvz | OtakuSenpai: a user with Intel gfx made a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf like this http://paste.debian.net/984322 |
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| 04:45.19 | nvz | to disable their HW cursor, which may or may not be what's causing your issue |
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| 05:38.35 | crt8086 | think i have all the keyring errors fixed. down to: https://pastebin.osuosl.org/77166/ |
| 05:38.50 | crt8086 | get this from apt-get update |
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| 06:16.04 | Haohmaru | i'm running debian9 on an old hardware.. i don't shut it down, i put it on "suspend" at the end of the day.. sometimes i can't wake it up |
| 06:16.11 | Haohmaru | any ideas what could the reason be? |
| 06:16.18 | themill | I normally use coffee for that. |
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| 06:16.47 | Haohmaru | you must be using some kind of special coffee then |
| 06:16.51 | Haohmaru | can i have some? |
| 06:17.10 | AlexLikeRock | what say log of power.log |
| 06:17.16 | AlexLikeRock | Haohmaru, |
| 06:17.28 | Haohmaru | where is that located? |
| 06:17.35 | Haohmaru | /var/log ? |
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| 06:18.33 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.41 | themill | wonders what creates power.log |
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| 06:19.03 | Haohmaru | AlexLikeRock i don't have such log |
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| 06:19.30 | AlexLikeRock | search somting at /var/log/... |
| 06:19.47 | Haohmaru | nothing similar there |
| 06:19.48 | AlexLikeRock | power.log foo.log |
| 06:19.56 | Sveta | themill: upower ? |
| 06:20.12 | AlexLikeRock | oh! system-Shit-D |
| 06:20.23 | AlexLikeRock | i forget , they are remplace |
| 06:20.30 | themill | AlexLikeRock: you're incoherently not helping people again. Please stop. |
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| 06:21.27 | Haohmaru | AlexLikeRock do you have such a log file? are you running debian9? do you have old log files from previous versions of debian hanging around in your system? |
| 06:21.39 | Haohmaru | cuz this is a clean debian9 install here |
| 06:21.59 | Haohmaru | i guess i need to look into the power manager |
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| 06:22.20 | AlexLikeRock | Haohmaru, sorry, themill not allowed to talk |
| 06:22.31 | AlexLikeRock | yes, i have this file |
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| 06:24.13 | Haohmaru | AlexLikeRock why are you advertising something that looks like a different distro via private message? |
| 06:24.21 | Haohmaru | ..when i need help for debian |
| 06:24.28 | Haohmaru | that's not a good thing |
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| 07:03.15 | Haohmaru | i don't have pm-suspend to begin with |
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| 07:04.02 | Haohmaru | i'm not sure what's used.. i am clicking "Suspend" from the logout menu in lxpanel (LXDE) |
| 07:04.25 | Haohmaru | and about 9 out of 10 times it just works |
| 07:04.26 | AlexLikeRock | yeah yeah , |
| 07:04.34 | AlexLikeRock | you tell us about |
| 07:04.38 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.46 | Haohmaru | AlexLikeRock be quiet |
| 07:05.18 | Haohmaru | your solution is to use a debian fork without systemd, this however, doesn't work for me |
| 07:05.33 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 07:05.36 | AlexLikeRock | but |
| 07:05.42 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.51 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.55 | AlexLikeRock | bye bye |
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| 07:13.24 | Walakea | is there a guide on how to make Debian live usb with persistence? |
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| 07:14.15 | Haohmaru | Walakea if you can't find anything, an option is to just install debian onto a usb stick as if it was a hard disk |
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| 07:15.21 | Walakea | i found something, but GParted behaved weirdly and did not recognize one partition |
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| 07:15.36 | Walakea | how do i install debian on a usb? |
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| 07:18.08 | slax0r | the same as you would install it on a hard drive |
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| 07:20.18 | Walakea | from bios? |
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| 07:33.00 | Walakea | if i "cp" the debian iso image on a usb, that will just be the installer, no? |
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| 07:34.04 | cruncher | Walakea, if you cp the installer iso, yes |
| 07:34.39 | k_sze | How do I tell whether a machine rebooted "spontaneously" (i.e. not because somebody issued `sudo reboot` or similar commands) |
| 07:36.16 | Walakea | do i need to go trough bios and debian installer and have the usb plugged in in order to install debian on it with all the filesystem hierarchy? |
| 07:36.35 | cruncher | Walakea, to do what? |
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| 07:37.22 | Walakea | i want to have Debian installed on my usb, so it is bootable and does not touch computer's HDD |
| 07:37.42 | cruncher | k_sze, you can check the logs for "shutdown", or "reboot", then you know it was inititated |
| 07:38.02 | Walakea | or to have a persistent live usb |
| 07:38.08 | cruncher | Walakea, like slax0r said, just use it as if it were a hd |
| 07:38.53 | Walakea | i don't know what it means specifically |
| 07:39.03 | cruncher | are you going "through bios" (whatever you mean with that) and have to have the harddisk plugged in when you want to install debian on a harddisk? ;-) |
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| 07:39.53 | Walakea | i only ever installed debian straight on the PC' disk as a primary OS |
| 07:40.10 | cruncher | Walakea, so the same now, just select the usb as the "hd" |
| 07:40.14 | Walakea | so i always went through bios |
| 07:40.26 | cruncher | why bios? |
| 07:40.54 | Walakea | i was using installer DVD and had to boot from it |
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| 07:41.07 | cruncher | ok, so select in bios the DVD to boot |
| 07:41.45 | cruncher | Walakea, just do the same, just use the usb stick as the hd to install debian to. I really think all is said with that |
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| 07:42.10 | cruncher | slax0r said it all already ;-) |
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| 07:42.32 | cruncher | just be sure you select the usb stick, and not the harddisk |
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| 07:42.46 | Walakea | ok, i think i would know what to do |
| 07:42.47 | Walakea | just to remind myself during the installation, how are the disk devces recognized during installation? |
| 07:42.56 | slax0r | I admit nothing! |
| 07:43.01 | Kitty | Is there a convienent file I can backup that contains the list of all packages installed on a machine ? |
| 07:43.09 | slax0r | ah, usb install... yes, I did say that |
| 07:43.16 | slax0r | crawls back into his pit |
| 07:44.07 | cruncher | Kitty, no, but you can create one easily: dpkg --get-selections >filename.txt |
| 07:44.29 | Kitty | cruncher: ok. Where does dpkg get that info from to generate that list? |
| 07:45.28 | cruncher | Walakea, what you mean "how"... the names? they can change, sda, sdb, etc.. you will recognize the usb stick in the partitioning page, iirc you can see the size and name |
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| 07:46.28 | Walakea | whetref i will have to identify it as /dev//sdX or by those long hexcodes |
| 07:46.33 | Walakea | *whether |
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| 07:48.24 | Keloo | If i want to creat a ramdisk and move minimal tools to it to shred my main drive how do i determine the tools that need to be moved |
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| 07:49.22 | Keloo | more like whats the minimum directories to be copied into ramdisk |
| 07:50.29 | cruncher | Keloo, you eman you want to wipe your main hd? why not i.e. use a live cd? |
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| 07:52.51 | Keloo | cruncher: theres a reason for this method any ideas? |
| 07:53.08 | vlt | Keloo: And what do you want to do *after* shredding the main drive? |
| 07:53.11 | cruncher | Kitty, from its package list, it filters it out whats installed |
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| 07:53.43 | Kitty | cruncher: so there's no easy way I can just backup where it get's it's info from ? |
| 07:53.55 | cruncher | Keloo, so you want to have some sort of shell/os, boot to it to be able to wipe / |
| 07:54.10 | cruncher | Kitty, i told you the easy way |
| 07:54.25 | klys | kitty, /var/lib/dpkg |
| 07:54.28 | Kitty | that isn't the easy way, that involves creating another file, not just a simple rsync this directory... |
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| 07:54.47 | Haohmaru | Walakea if you can, disconnect the computer's hard disks, and any other storage devices.. use just the device which has the installation, and the usb stick where debian will be installed onto |
| 07:55.12 | cruncher | Kitty, you can of course backup all the dpkg working folder, but what does it help you, because when you would have to restore... good luck filtering all things out |
| 07:55.23 | Haohmaru | during the installation, you will be able to see each device's name/brand/model and size, and hopefully you'll recognize the right one |
| 07:55.30 | cruncher | Kitty, its not only about backing it up, its also about comfortable restore |
| 07:55.41 | Kitty | cruncher: aye, |
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| 07:56.01 | cruncher | you dont want to restore from a huge file where you have to filter every packagename and state out, when you can have the list nice and clean with dpkg--get-selections |
| 07:56.25 | Keloo | cruncher: yes I want to be able to pivot root while my box is running to a ramdisk then shred everything |
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| 07:56.58 | Kitty | cruncher: it's just a faff to have to run the remote command to dump the state, so I can then back it up |
| 07:57.23 | vlt | Keloo: And then? Why not just shred everything? |
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| 07:57.58 | babilen | Kitty: /var/lib/dpkg/status in particular, but it's common to just create a "nice" file with dpkg --get-selections as mentioned by others |
| 07:57.59 | cruncher | Kitty, you may think its easier to backup the dpkg state file, but like i say, its not because it doesnt help you when you have to restore |
| 07:58.23 | babilen | dpkg: aptitude clone |
| 07:58.23 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 07:58.25 | cruncher | like babilen says.. thats the file, but good luck restoring the package state from that |
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| 07:59.02 | babilen | Kitty: The aptitude clone method also keeps information as to which packages were explicitly installed (doesn't treat dependencies identically) |
| 07:59.03 | Kitty | would be nice if dpkg created the nice file as part of it's every day usage |
| 07:59.04 | cruncher | Keloo, if wiping is all you want, you can dd it all even without ramdisk... just brutally overwrite everything on sda as root |
| 07:59.27 | vlt | Keloo: And thereâs `shred`. |
| 07:59.31 | cruncher | babilen, as far as i understand, kitty doesnt want to run any program, just "backup files" |
| 07:59.47 | Kitty | that said, |
| 07:59.48 | Kitty | aptitude |
| 07:59.48 | Kitty | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 07:59.49 | cruncher | Kitty, then you would have to have the files created already at backup time |
| 07:59.51 | babilen | Kitty, cruncher: Typically just run a dpkg and aptitude dump as a cron job and backup the output location |
| 08:00.02 | Keloo | cruncher: kernal anic ? |
| 08:00.07 | Keloo | vlt: ^ |
| 08:00.11 | Keloo | panic |
| 08:00.12 | cruncher | exactly |
| 08:00.25 | cruncher | Keloo, what? |
| 08:00.26 | Kitty | pushing out a cron job to every debian machine, rather than just doing an rsync of each machine is a pain. |
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| 08:00.31 | Kitty | but if it's the only way forward |
| 08:00.34 | Keloo | its gonna stop when the kernal panics |
| 08:00.35 | Kitty | this is what interns are for... |
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| 08:00.54 | babilen | Kitty: Install aptitude if you want to use it and either create script that runs during your backup or run it from cron and make sure to include its output files in your backup |
| 08:00.56 | cruncher | Kitty, you are seeing the problem just from one side (backup time, not restore time) |
| 08:01.08 | Kitty | cruncher: yes and no. |
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| 08:01.34 | vlt | Keloo: What is going to stop and why should the kernel panic? |
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| 08:02.05 | cruncher | Kitty, no, not no. You would have to write a script or something to be able to restore all packages from /var/lib/dpkg/status, (filter out names, and state) |
| 08:02.07 | babilen | Kitty: You can run those commands remotly .. How many boxes does this concern and how to you manage them now in terms of updates and other orchestration/configuration management tasks? |
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| 08:02.17 | cruncher | but do what you want... |
| 08:02.28 | Kitty | babilen: we're moving towards ansible as we reached the limit of what we could do by hand |
| 08:02.36 | cruncher | "/var/lib/dpkg/status" is the file you were asking for initially |
| 08:03.01 | babilen | Kitty: It is trivial to create cron jobs with Ansible or similar tools such as SaltStack |
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| 08:03.19 | Keloo | vlt: when the root files system starts getting dumped it will wont it |
| 08:03.26 | Kitty | babilen: yeah, |
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| 08:04.09 | vlt | Keloo: Why? Can you demonstrate that? |
| 08:04.19 | babilen | Kitty: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/cron_module.html and https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.cron.html are two examples |
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| 08:04.40 | Kitty | babilen: danke! |
| 08:04.55 | Keloo | vlt: I will try and dump a machine and find out |
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| 08:05.14 | Keloo | ill shred the whole sda if you think it will work |
| 08:05.29 | babilen | If you have further questions #ansible or #salt are probably better, but I wouldn't settle for a sub optimal solution just because you haven't solved the "manage k boxes" problem yet :) |
| 08:05.42 | Keloo | but its gonna cause issues id imagine trying to shred the shred util etc while in use |
| 08:05.52 | Kitty | babilen: aye |
| 08:06.40 | Keloo | vlt: I see i didnt understand dd |
| 08:06.55 | Keloo | the issue is i dont want to clone the whole drive |
| 08:07.05 | cruncher | Keloo, the only issue would be that it stops prematurely as your goal is to wipe the whole drive |
| 08:07.14 | cruncher | why are you takling now about cloning? |
| 08:07.46 | cruncher | which is not the case (stopping prematurely) |
| 08:07.48 | Keloo | dd clones right ? |
| 08:07.52 | vlt | Keloo: I will not cause issues. Running `shred` (or `dd`) on a bock device like /dev/sda has nothing to do with files on a file system. |
| 08:07.52 | cruncher | Keloo, no |
| 08:07.59 | Keloo | cruncher: what does it do then |
| 08:08.04 | cruncher | i mean, yes, but not only |
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| 08:08.18 | cruncher | or to be exact, you can clone with dd |
| 08:08.24 | Bock | I am not a device. |
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| 08:08.35 | kriech0r | morning :) |
| 08:08.45 | cheapie | puts an "l" between "B" and "o" |
| 08:08.53 | cheapie | There. Now you're a device. |
| 08:09.01 | Bock | :D |
| 08:09.29 | vlt | Bock: Hi! Just wanted to shred you :-) |
| 08:09.32 | kriech0r | hdparm, disk sleep, smartd ... its a pain >.< |
| 08:09.42 | Kitty | erm, that aptitude method from dpkg bot linked above |
| 08:09.49 | Kitty | unless I am misunderstanding, it doesn't work |
| 08:09.49 | Kitty | search: You must provide at least one search term |
| 08:09.55 | Bock | :D |
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| 08:11.00 | Keloo | vlt: So anyway i can find a link on this issue of a minimal ramdisk boot |
| 08:11.00 | tdn | I have a number of virtualbox guest VMs with both debian 8 and debian 9 running KDE desktop. All have the virtualbox additions installed. However, performance is significantly better on debian 8. Debian 9 is so slow that it is almost unusable. Resizing windows has a visible lag. And alt+tab between running windows is also maybe half a sec to change. Is anyone else experiencing this? The host is a modern quad c |
| 08:11.06 | tdn | ore intel i7 CPU with 32 GB RAM and all storage is on SSD. |
| 08:11.19 | tdn | cruncher, I did install vbox guest additions on the guest with stretch |
| 08:11.43 | cruncher | Keloo, to finish the topic, you can dd it, or wipe it while running, no need for a ramdisk |
| 08:11.50 | tdn | cruncher, I installed vbox guest additions from the cdrom iso that is provided by the host virtualbox |
| 08:12.07 | tdn | cruncher, that is vbox 5.1.26 |
| 08:12.13 | cruncher | but of course you are free to do it your way if you "like" it more |
| 08:12.21 | Kitty | babilen: has something changed in the aptitude behaviour since that dpkg bot entry was writtend? |
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| 08:12.56 | cruncher | tdn, so the additions are uptodate |
| 08:13.27 | babilen | Kitty: Why? |
| 08:13.31 | tdn | cruncher, yes, I believe so |
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| 08:13.48 | Kitty | babilen: well I run the command as described and I get: |
| 08:13.53 | Kitty | aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p'~i!~M!~v' |
| 08:13.54 | Kitty | search: You must provide at least one search term |
| 08:14.08 | kriech0r | anybody has a working setup that puts his disk to sleep for more than an hour? |
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| 08:14.23 | tdn | kriech0r, hdparm -S? |
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| 08:14.44 | kriech0r | all setup but obviously smartd wakes the disk up |
| 08:14.46 | cruncher | kriech0r, i guess you mean a setup that doesnt write anything to the disk for 1h so it doesnt get woken up? |
| 08:15.14 | babilen | Kitty: The command is aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' (note the extra space) |
| 08:15.17 | tdn | cruncher, is this your system disk? That is, do you have /, /var and so on on this disk? |
| 08:15.25 | tdn | cruncher, sorry, was for kriech0r |
| 08:15.29 | Kitty | aah! |
| 08:15.29 | tdn | kriech0r, is this your system disk? That is, do you have /, /var and so on on this disk? |
| 08:15.45 | kriech0r | no its my storage md array raid1 |
| 08:15.50 | tdn | kriech0r, if something is writing to your disk, it will wake up |
| 08:15.53 | kriech0r | home and shares on it |
| 08:16.12 | tdn | kriech0r, but if you seldomly write to your /home /srv, etc. you can put these on a separate drive and have that drive sleep. |
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| 08:16.40 | kriech0r | understood, currently watching iotop logging all IOs and the only thing that fits the times when the disks are waking up is the smartd -n entry |
| 08:16.55 | Kitty | dpkg things to backup |
| 08:16.55 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 08:16.55 | tdn | kriech0r, otherwise you will have to go through anything on the system that will write once in a while. Things that logs, crond, etc. and configure those. That will likely be a lot of work |
| 08:17.37 | tdn | kriech0r, you can disable smartd if you do not need it. You may also be able to increase the delay so that it only writes e.g. every 24 hours |
| 08:18.10 | kriech0r | smartd has the -n standby,q option but it does not seem to work for me |
| 08:18.32 | tdn | kriech0r, do you need smartd? |
| 08:18.49 | kriech0r | its a raid where i would like to know if a disk is about to fail ;-) |
| 08:19.16 | kriech0r | but i might set it to 24hrs or even 48hrs |
| 08:19.22 | tdn | kriech0r, another option is to locate where stuff is written to. And if you do not need what is written. You might mount that path as a tmpfs. And then sync whatever is there to real disk on reboot. Or just live with losing it. Please be mindful of what you put in tmpfs :) |
| 08:19.43 | kriech0r | irssi logs :D |
| 08:19.46 | kriech0r | haha |
| 08:19.53 | tdn | kriech0r, put irssi logs on tmpfs? |
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| 08:20.21 | tdn | kriech0r, and then have a script sync them to disk every 48 hours if you want to really keep them. |
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| 08:20.23 | kriech0r | just kidding , i was keeping irssi open in a screen session and notices that this is also causing alot of noise on the disks |
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| 08:21.36 | Keloo | cruncher: the issue with dd is data is still recoverable |
| 08:21.44 | Keloo | cruncher: i dont want that |
| 08:21.51 | kriech0r | tdn, so smartd has the smartd.conf file with the lines and timings for checks in it. but i haven't found the location where smartd is triggered. its not in the cron.* folders |
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| 08:22.03 | cruncher | Keloo, true, in a lab you could easily as its only 1 pass |
| 08:22.14 | cruncher | thats why i mentioned wipe |
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| 08:23.14 | Keloo | cruncher: what would the proccess be to use shred or wipe? |
| 08:23.27 | cruncher | man wipe |
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| 08:24.15 | Keloo | cruncher: I know how to use shred but you think while my box is running it will wipe the whole thing kernal and all? |
| 08:24.39 | cruncher | if you are really paranoid so even a lab coulndt get anythign out, you would need something like >30 passes |
| 08:24.41 | cruncher | yes, it will |
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| 08:25.17 | Keloo | cruncher: even on a flash drive? |
| 08:25.31 | cruncher | Keloo, wht you mean with "even" |
| 08:25.33 | Keloo | 30 passes? |
| 08:25.55 | cruncher | Keloo, you seem to have an idea of what you want to do, not really knowing the facts behind |
| 08:26.32 | cruncher | and when someone tries to tell you something, you hold on to your idea |
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| 08:27.46 | cruncher | i dont know why you said that about the flash drive, but it is basically handled the same as a hd, just its with cells, not magnetic |
| 08:28.11 | Keloo | cruncher: from what ive read 30 passes isnt used on flash much lower |
| 08:28.22 | Keloo | cruncher: im just wanting your opinion |
| 08:28.39 | cruncher | "isnt used" doesnt matter |
| 08:28.56 | cruncher | its about what security level you want |
| 08:29.22 | cruncher | of course, on drive using cells, i dont think you need to do 30 passes to achieve the goal |
| 08:29.37 | cruncher | but if there is really sensible data, you do >30 anyway |
| 08:29.54 | cruncher | hell, if it was me, i would burn the drive myself with some torch |
| 08:30.01 | cruncher | its all about security |
| 08:30.04 | cruncher | (level) |
| 08:30.11 | cruncher | so its up to you to decide |
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| 08:31.06 | cruncher | if its nothing really important, you dont do 30 passes on a flash drive as it wears off the cells life |
| 08:31.38 | cruncher | i thik now you have all the facts, find your own level of "comfort" in the "security" |
| 08:31.39 | Keloo | so your gonna have a torch by your box set up to burn on tamper |
| 08:31.54 | cruncher | Keloo, again. that depends on your security/paranoia level |
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| 08:33.00 | cruncher | Keloo, im just saying you have to read more about security, and choose the right settings for yourself |
| 08:33.59 | cruncher | Keloo, but i see you want to have some sort of remote wipe. |
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| 08:37.34 | BCMM | getting data of a traditional rotary hard drive after a single overwrite certainly used to be possible, but it is not publicly known to have been demonstrated with anything approaching modern hardware |
| 08:37.54 | rotaticus | u need a fault-tolerant-secure switch ... and a block of magnesium to start with ... also sufficient is a room with only 1 entrance |
| 08:37.54 | toruvinn | cruncher, do you actually have some sort of experience with data recovery of... data which was "dd'd" with just one time? cause i recally there was a guy who tried various companies and they all said that it was impossible. |
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| 08:38.15 | BCMM | thus, a single zero overwrite is sufficient unless your potential adversary is the NSA or something |
| 08:38.23 | cruncher | toruvinn, BCMM, its certainly NOT impossible at all. for a lab even quite easy with only 1 pass |
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| 08:38.34 | toruvinn | cruncher, http://www.hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted this is what i remember, kinda old now, heh. |
| 08:38.58 | BCMM | cruncher: has it been done on something with even half the density of a modern disk? |
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| 08:39.51 | toruvinn | i honestly wonder, we hear "sure, it's possible", or "nsa can do that", but can they really? and i mean, something more than, say, one sector (or even less). |
| 08:41.12 | BCMM | i'm not even saying "nsa can do that". i'm just saying that since it's not publicly known to be possible, people who aren't worried about the kind of threats that might know something we don't shouldn't worry |
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| 08:41.55 | toruvinn | hrmf i recall reading something considerably newer than the above challenge, regarding reading magnetic, erm, bits with some sort of ability of determining the past values there, but i've read that it was reliable when it comes to reading like 2-3bits? not more? |
| 08:42.16 | BCMM | i'd be very curious to read about that |
| 08:42.59 | BCMM | the theory has always been that, due to imperfect alignment of the magnetic track on the disk, you can often read previous data from the space either side of the track |
| 08:43.08 | cruncher | it is, why else you think there are standards for governments to use multiple passes, even for low security things |
| 08:43.15 | BCMM | but that was a long time ago, and with increasing storage densities, the alignment is far more precise now |
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| 08:43.18 | cruncher | if they knew 1 is enough, they wouldnt use more |
| 08:43.29 | petemc | those standards are old |
| 08:43.41 | cruncher | as a fact, there would be no "-passes" parameter (to be able to select more than 1) if 1 was enough |
| 08:43.47 | petemc | one pass with zeroes should be enough |
| 08:44.04 | BCMM | 1. those standards are old 2. what makes you think decision-makers in the military government know anything about computers 3. they have a level of paranoia that is not justifiable for most people |
| 08:44.11 | petemc | this argument comes up here fairly regularly |
| 08:44.16 | toruvinn | BCMM, im googling it now, but since google is generally crap for the past 3 years or more and even if you input phrases in "" it still KNOWS BETTER, i might not be able to find it... |
| 08:44.40 | cruncher | yeah, its a thing noone of use can prove, so better not debate |
| 08:44.47 | BCMM | their standards are over-the-top because they have to be concerned with adversaries that might be capable of things that are currently assumed not to be possible |
| 08:44.48 | toruvinn | this is seriously fascinating, i wonder what modern technology can and cant do |
| 08:45.01 | cruncher | but i know for a fact that a lab you can recover from dd |
| 08:45.25 | BCMM | a typical user trying to throw away a disk with his browser history, financial information, whatever on it does not have to be concerned about that, and can confine himself to things that are actually possible |
| 08:45.38 | cruncher | we send harddisk to labs to recover data. now you can believe me or not. End of topic |
| 08:46.04 | BCMM | you sent hard drives to a lab for recovery after *what* had happened to them, exactly? |
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| 08:46.22 | BCMM | nobody is disputing that data recovery labs exist |
| 08:46.38 | cruncher | after deleting files, and i remember cases of 1p wipe |
| 08:46.51 | BCMM | was the entire filesystem overwritten? |
| 08:46.54 | BCMM | deleting files is meaningless |
| 08:47.11 | BCMM | depending on the details of the filesystem used, overwriting a single file can be almost as meaningless |
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| 08:47.43 | cruncher | BCMM, of course, thats not what we are talking about, so dont mention the files |
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| 08:47.55 | toruvinn | https://web.archive.org/web/20111107100808/http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Secure-deletion-a-single-overwrite-will-do-it-739699.html this, i think, BCMM |
| 08:48.02 | BCMM | *you* said "after deleting files", not me... |
| 08:48.12 | cruncher | BCMM, yes, but you didnt read the rest obviously |
| 08:48.17 | toruvinn | https://askubuntu.com/questions/21501/possibility-of-recovering-files-from-a-dd-zero-filled-hard-disk it was linked here. also, bear in mind it's already pretty old, now the densities got orders of magnitude higher too |
| 08:48.45 | Keloo | toruvinn: even on flash memory ? |
| 08:49.00 | rotaticus | melting the disk may work ... have magnesium ready for starters |
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| 08:49.09 | BCMM | Keloo: flash memory is weird and different |
| 08:49.19 | rotaticus | naaah it all burns |
| 08:49.35 | toruvinn | Keloo, SSD drives are kinda more difficult, tbh even if you overwrite them im not sure if you can be sure you've actually overwritten the data. remember SSDs use weirdish acocunting to minimize wear of cells... |
| 08:49.42 | BCMM | Keloo: if that seems vague, that's intentional. the behaviour of the memory controllers that drives them is rather opaque |
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| 08:50.09 | toruvinn | Keloo, i remember military-grade ssd drives which you could just fry, literally a SCSI command to make the drive burn the flash memory on them ;-D |
| 08:50.10 | cruncher | toruvinn, true, but you can address the cells directly and wipe so the whole drive too |
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| 08:50.36 | BCMM | Keloo: and overwrite of a given logical bit on an ssd may not correlate to the same physical memory cell as the original write did |
| 08:50.40 | TalkingHead | Hey guys, I've just installed debian, and for some reason it's not recognizing my main monitor, and is only using my secondary monitor? I'm using XFCE, how do I get my main monitor to show up? |
| 08:50.40 | BCMM | ^an overwrite |
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| 08:51.09 | Hoolootwo | it definitely makes sense, for a certain class of requirements, to have a panic button |
| 08:51.40 | BCMM | most SSDs come with a "secure erase" command (implemented in the drive's firmware, not in main CPU software). the long and short of it is that you do not know how that secure erase command works or how effective it is, and kinda have to trust the manufacturer |
| 08:52.16 | Keloo | BCMM: so basically the best idea is to have the smallest sd card you can and shred then sfill right ? |
| 08:52.17 | BCMM | Hoolootwo: can you pastebin the output of xrandr please? |
| 08:52.23 | toruvinn | BCMM, as far as i know, most just erase the "accounting" data so that the cells still have their values/bits, but you cant really read them back in, uhmm, meaningful otder. |
| 08:52.31 | Hoolootwo | why? |
| 08:52.39 | toruvinn | BCMM, so yeah, you probably still have a chance some of the data could be read, but other - not so much. |
| 08:52.59 | toruvinn | BCMM, i think you meant TalkingHead |
| 08:53.06 | BCMM | toruvinn: i'm struggling to see how that's different from that "factory reset" option that basically TRIMs the whole drive, but the again maybe it *isn't* different |
| 08:53.11 | Hoolootwo | http://hooloovoo.blue/files/xrandr.wat |
| 08:53.19 | toruvinn | BCMM, yeah i wonder :-| |
| 08:53.23 | BCMM | Hoolootwo: yeah sorry, mishighlight |
| 08:53.31 | toruvinn | but thanks for your xrandr! ;^) |
| 08:53.33 | BCMM | TalkingHead: can you pastebin the output of xrandr please |
| 08:53.34 | Hoolootwo | well, there you go :P |
| 08:53.37 | cruncher | toruvinn, which would be greatly improved if the drive was encrypted |
| 08:53.45 | BCMM | Hoolootwo: haha, i like the .wat extension |
| 08:53.54 | toruvinn | cruncher, erasing an encrypted drive is kinda... i dont do that. HAVE FUN, WHOEVER GETS IT. ;-) |
| 08:54.01 | Hoolootwo | heh, needed to pipe it to something |
| 08:54.01 | toruvinn | but then again im not government. ;^P |
| 08:54.18 | BCMM | Hoolootwo: eww, is that a laptop? |
| 08:54.20 | toruvinn | BCMM, i'd prefer "take.dat" ;-) |
| 08:54.25 | Keloo | Lived through an fbi raid where they couldnt decrypt fde |
| 08:54.27 | cruncher | no, i mean when the flash was erased like you say, |
| 08:54.41 | Hoolootwo | I have a script to push files from my laptop to my server |
| 08:55.05 | Hoolootwo | so I pipe to xrandr.wat, and it throws it on the server, and puts the link in my clipboard |
| 08:55.32 | BCMM | Keloo: sfill should be irrelevant here. to have any reasonable chance of actually overwriting the data, you should overwrite the whole filesystems, not just the files you're interested in |
| 08:55.56 | toruvinn | at least since around when journaling in filesystems happened. ;-) |
| 08:56.06 | Keloo | BCMM: and a ramdisk and changing root to it is not needed to do such ? |
| 08:56.10 | BCMM | Keloo: there are multiple layers here which could cause your overwrite to not actually apply to the same physical location that the initial write did. you can take care of the filesystem by shredding/dding the block device |
| 08:56.48 | Keloo | BCMM: that would be my intention to attack the whole block device |
| 08:57.00 | Keloo | along with using fde |
| 08:57.30 | BCMM | Keloo: ok. i mention it because sfill is meaningless when you've already destroyed the filesystem |
| 08:57.59 | Keloo | ohh fotcha didnt think about all that BCMM |
| 08:58.18 | rotaticus | there is no savety ... melt your old disks with the super important files if nobody should see them, DON'T sell them on ebay |
| 08:58.24 | Keloo | BCMM: so the ramdisk thing is not needed to pull this off on the block device ? |
| 08:58.28 | BCMM | Keloo: sfill is an attempt to deal with the "filesystem layer" of the mapping problem |
| 08:58.39 | BCMM | Keloo: force the filesystem to overwrite "free space" basically |
| 08:58.58 | BCMM | Keloo: what's the "ramdisk thing"? |
| 08:59.13 | BCMM | Keloo: are we talking ways to wipe the disk you're currently booted from? |
| 08:59.21 | Keloo | BCMM: pivoting root to a ramdisk then shred block device from that point |
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| 08:59.35 | Keloo | BCMM: yes currently booted from |
| 09:00.02 | BCMM | Keloo: tbh, i think you could just remount the root filesystem as ro and then shred it while the machine is running |
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| 09:00.19 | Keloo | BCMM: only 500mb of ram |
| 09:00.22 | BCMM | Keloo: so? |
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| 09:00.34 | Keloo | BCMM: how much will root take up? |
| 09:00.43 | BCMM | Keloo: you don't need to copy your rootfs to RAM |
| 09:00.55 | BCMM | Keloo: running processes are already copied to ram |
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| 09:01.11 | BCMM | so you can execute them on the cpu, that's how modern computers work |
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| 09:01.33 | BCMM | dd will happily keep running after /bin/dd has been erased from the disk |
| 09:01.45 | BCMM | you won't be able to start a new instance of it, but who cares? |
| 09:02.37 | cruncher | BCMM, thats what i keep telling him since half an hour, but he insists on the ramdisk, or likes it very much at least |
| 09:02.41 | BCMM | i'm just saying to mount -o remount,ro / first, to avoid data accidentally getting written back to the disk after you've erased it |
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| 09:03.16 | BCMM | cruncher: hmm, joining conversations without reading the history is a bad habit of mine i think |
| 09:03.29 | cruncher | but Keloo you said you loved through an raid with fde, and you have fde |
| 09:03.42 | cruncher | plus at least 1pass wipe.. |
| 09:04.01 | cruncher | s/loved/lived :D |
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| 09:04.31 | Keloo | cruncher: please show me where you have said this >>> mount -o remount,ro / |
| 09:04.45 | cruncher | i didnt say i said that |
| 09:04.48 | cruncher | Keloo, ^ |
| 09:04.50 | toruvinn | Keloo, he siad to remount root as ro. |
| 09:05.13 | BCMM | cruncher: oh christ, we're talking about, like, a police raid as opposed to a redundant array of inexpensive disks, right? |
| 09:05.23 | Keloo | BCMM: yes |
| 09:05.38 | toruvinn | hahahaha |
| 09:05.40 | cruncher | BCMM, as per keloos text, yes |
| 09:05.42 | BCMM | i wanna ask what the hell you're doing but you're presumably smart enough to not answer that |
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| 09:05.54 | cruncher | unles he meant a redundant array of inexpensive disks :p |
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| 09:06.25 | Keloo | BCMM: nothing it was a bs case i beat |
| 09:06.47 | Keloo | the point is its a wakeup that you better know wtf your doing for that rainy day |
| 09:07.11 | cruncher | Keloo, no, im sure you are right, encrpytion is still the best protection |
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| 09:07.30 | cruncher | and yes, being prepared is always good |
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| 09:07.54 | BCMM | in the USA they can compel you to hand over encryption keys now can't they? |
| 09:08.03 | Keloo | BCMM: no |
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| 09:08.31 | TalkingHead | BCMM, http://sprunge.us/hAFJ |
| 09:09.00 | Keloo | BCMM: this happened in the last year all my gear was sent to quantico they offered a plea deal for them but i chose trial they dropped everything after almost a year in jail |
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| 09:09.21 | Keloo | BCMM: so no they cant |
| 09:10.09 | Keloo | cruncher: I was told the same thing stick with huge keys the shred thing was just extra comfort |
| 09:10.37 | cruncher | i agree |
| 09:10.54 | TalkingHead | Restarting machine momentarily, I will return |
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| 09:13.15 | Keloo | cruncher: so really id be better to just shutdown on tamper with huge keys ? My concern is malware backing up the keys even though the box in question is not online |
| 09:13.35 | TalkingHead | I am back\ |
| 09:13.41 | cruncher | Keloo, so we are talknig about a remote system? |
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| 09:14.50 | BCMM | TalkingHead: it looks like it's only seeing one output on your graphics card... |
| 09:14.55 | Keloo | cruncher: no its not internet connected but I burn cds with data use them on this box to read the data then use another box to encrypt messages burn it to cd then use that cd put it in my box and send encrypted data that way |
| 09:15.12 | BCMM | TalkingHead: but is 1280x1024 really native resolution for that monitor? i'm thinking maybe you're not using the right graphics driver here |
| 09:15.19 | BCMM | TalkingHead: do you know what type of gpu you have? |
| 09:15.23 | cruncher | Keloo, dont get me wrong, im not saying dont use wipe, just dont rely too much / only on it, but its really good as additional protection |
| 09:15.26 | TalkingHead | BCMM, That would seem to be the case, but how do I get it to see the other? When I was on ubuntu earlier it was just fine. |
| 09:15.32 | TalkingHead | Yes, that's my second monitor. |
| 09:15.38 | TalkingHead | And I have a GTX 960 |
| 09:15.40 | cruncher | (except multiple passes) |
| 09:15.55 | cruncher | and yesm the best you can do is huge keys like you say |
| 09:15.57 | Keloo | so main box burn cd >> read on safe box >> write on second safe box >> send on main box |
| 09:16.10 | BCMM | TalkingHead: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log please? |
| 09:16.18 | TalkingHead | Yeah, sure thing |
| 09:16.33 | cruncher | now we could debate about that too, you can read for yourself what the chances are to crack a fde with 128bit key. |
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| 09:17.41 | Keloo | cruncher: explain in bobo terms im thinking they will infect first safe box with the cd it reads i have no doubts i dont want the malware to store the key somewhere and it not get wiped |
| 09:17.53 | cruncher | Keloo, so to your question, yes, shutdown on tamper, and if you do an additional wipe the better |
| 09:17.57 | TalkingHead | BCMM, http://sprunge.us/feaV |
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| 09:18.26 | Keloo | cruncher: what do i do to stop that ? |
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| 09:18.52 | Keloo | i know im still f'ed from a cold boot at that point but i think i got that covered |
| 09:18.59 | cruncher | Keloo, but if its a single purpose box, not connected to internet, you could also do a read only root system |
| 09:19.01 | Keloo | with nonn removable ram |
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| 09:19.15 | Keloo | cruncher ahhhhh brilliant |
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| 09:20.28 | frechdachs69 | Q: how do I download files and install them from within a Debian package installation? |
| 09:20.37 | BCMM | TalkingHead: i know more about radeon hardware than geforce, but i think the issue might be an old version of the NOUVEAU driver that doesn't support your card |
| 09:20.45 | BCMM | i'm trying to find out more |
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| 09:22.40 | BCMM | TalkingHead: yeah, the relevant bit of the log is the bit under "[ 4.016] (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families :" |
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| 09:22.55 | BCMM | TalkingHead: your card is an NV110 |
| 09:23.07 | TalkingHead | Ah |
| 09:23.40 | BCMM | TalkingHead: so it's falling back to using the VESA driver, which is a generic graphics driver that works on nearly anything |
| 09:23.48 | BCMM | but only supports a few standard resolutions, no multi-head, etc. |
| 09:24.07 | BCMM | basically like Windows before you install a graphics driver, if you remember the XP era when it didn't come with nvidia and amd drivers |
| 09:24.16 | TalkingHead | Alright |
| 09:24.28 | TalkingHead | So I'll update it then |
| 09:24.31 | TalkingHead | Thanks! |
| 09:24.39 | BCMM | TalkingHead: had you decided whether you were going with NOUVEAU or the proprietary nvidia driver yet? |
| 09:25.09 | TalkingHead | Hmm, I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards NOUVEAU, I think I'll at least start with that. |
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| 09:25.29 | TalkingHead | I might switch if it can't handle a couple games I intend to play, I'm pretty sure the proprietary gets better performance. |
| 09:26.14 | BCMM | btw how are you going to update it? is the machine very out of date or something? |
| 09:26.39 | BCMM | its just if you're running debian stable, it's quite possible you've already got the latest driver for that distro |
| 09:26.45 | abulletforfree | It's true the proprietaries are usually better, but the nouveau guys are pretty rad ifyou as me |
| 09:26.45 | TalkingHead | Oh |
| 09:26.58 | TalkingHead | I was just assuming the wiki would save me |
| 09:27.01 | TalkingHead | But maybe that's not the case |
| 09:27.21 | BCMM | TalkingHead: what release are you on currently? |
| 09:27.36 | TalkingHead | Debian 9 |
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| 09:27.53 | pabs3 | dmidecode says my RAM is type "DDR" but it has the same speed as the RAM in another computer where dmidecode says the type is "DDR3". does that mean my RAM is actually DDR3 and that the RAM in the other computer is compatible with this computer? |
| 09:28.17 | BCMM | TalkingHead: yeah 1.0.13 is the current release of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau for Stretch |
| 09:28.23 | BCMM | there might be something in backports... |
| 09:28.33 | TalkingHead | Dang |
| 09:28.51 | BCMM | TalkingHead: recent hardware is a weak point of debian stable |
| 09:28.54 | cruncher | tdn, as it was yesterday, i dont remember which vm was the slow one... but am i guessing correctly that the slow one wa created on a previous vbox version, even in jessie maybe? |
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| 09:31.54 | BCMM | TalkingHead: looks like the Stretch version of the proprietary driver *does* support your hardware however https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 09:32.05 | TalkingHead | Hmm |
| 09:32.28 | TalkingHead | I suppose I will just use that, then. Thanks for your help. |
| 09:32.32 | BCMM | so, uh, might be a matter of use a more bleeding-edge debian release, or accept a kernel tainted by proprietary code |
| 09:32.51 | AndreasLutro | there's a package+binary nvidia-detect that will tell you which drivers your hardware supports |
| 09:32.54 | TalkingHead | Well, I did intend to install some games, so I'm fudged any ways. |
| 09:33.27 | TalkingHead | I feel bad repeatedly pinging will, but he's probably used it it. |
| 09:34.50 | BCMM | heh how did you even notice? does your IRC client highlight words you say that are nicks in the channel or something? |
| 09:35.38 | TalkingHead | This is a fresh install, so I just used kiwiirc since I had not yet install a proper client, so yeah. |
| 09:36.15 | BCMM | if i were him, i'd only trigger a highlight on will: with a colon after it |
| 09:36.27 | BCMM | so if he wasn't annoyed before i guess he is now. sorry. |
| 09:36.42 | TalkingHead | Heh |
| 09:37.07 | TalkingHead | From what I've seen people use different things after names, like I use commas, but maybe I'm just a jerk |
| 09:40.31 | TalkingHead | Alright, thanks for your help, BCMM, I'm going to restart now and hope it's solved! Have a good night. |
| 09:40.49 | BCMM | when i have to use windows, i use hexchat, which defaults to , on tab complete. it feels weird. |
| 09:40.51 | BCMM | good luck! |
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| 09:41.41 | cheapie | BCMM: Settings->Preferences, Interface->Input box, Nick completion suffix |
| 09:42.07 | BCMM | yeah, just haven't got around to it yet |
| 09:42.09 | BCMM | thanks |
| 09:42.43 | BCMM | also when i'm next running windows it will be a PITA to read these logs so i'll just have to google it anyway :) |
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| 10:03.08 | Nawab | are there any debian mirrors tht support https? |
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| 10:03.18 | Nawab | besides deb.debian.org |
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| 10:05.15 | babilen | Nawab: I think most of them do |
| 10:05.34 | Nawab | deb.debian.org is being slow....and i want https |
| 10:05.55 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 10:06.02 | Nawab | i looked it up |
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| 10:06.54 | Nawab | isnt mirrors with ftp prefix gonna get removed on the next month? |
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| 10:08.20 | babilen | ftp is, not the mirrors |
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| 10:10.29 | Nawab | ok |
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| 10:18.31 | frechdachs69 | Q: do Debian packages always have to include all files to be installed? or can I manually install files, e.g. by downloading files from net and copying them to the correct folders? |
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| 10:19.44 | bsdnoob | guys today my repo seems to be broken? |
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| 10:20.32 | babilen | frechdachs69: If you install a package you'd get all of its content, but nothing stops you from extracting the .deb and copying files around as you please |
| 10:20.39 | Haohmaru | frechdachs69 the recommended way is to use the packaging system to install/remove stuff from your system |
| 10:20.50 | bsdnoob | Err:3 http://debianmirror.nkn.in/debian testing Release Connection failed [IP: 164.100.167.4 80] |
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| 10:20.59 | Haohmaru | if you break your debian, who you gonna blame? |
| 10:21.04 | bsdnoob | I am getting bunch of errors like this ^ |
| 10:21.27 | babilen | bsdnoob: You could try a different mirror (such as deb.debian.org) |
| 10:21.33 | DLange | bsdnoob: DFN (German IP network) has massive routing issues |
| 10:21.39 | DLange | do as babilen advises |
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| 10:26.27 | hcvpmr | whois |
| 10:27.00 | bsdnoob | babilen, lets try that |
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| 10:29.42 | bsdnoob | babilen, um |
| 10:29.52 | bsdnoob | Err:6 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release Connection failed [IP: 151.101.8.204 80] |
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| 10:35.21 | TalkingHead | It would seem I'm not getting off so easy |
| 10:35.33 | TalkingHead | So |
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| 10:37.32 | TalkingHead | I followed these instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#stretch and also installed gnome so I could use GDM. Then I went ahead and reboot only to receive flashing text, and after a few minutes of that, I could finally switch TTY's and systemctl stop gdm. I then started it again, only to have the same flashing text issue. A |
| 10:37.32 | TalkingHead | fter that I used nvidia settings to generate an xconfig again, and then tried lightdm instead, only to receive the same flashing text. |
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| 10:38.22 | TalkingHead | Oh, it would seem the person helping me has left |
| 10:38.46 | TandyUK | hey guys, how can i instruct apt-cache to search for something (protoc) _without_ using wildcards |
| 10:38.57 | TandyUK | of i get a billion results for "protocol" |
| 10:39.00 | TandyUK | ofc* |
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| 10:39.32 | TandyUK | pretty sure I just installed it along with some other stuff, but im not finding the executable on my system |
| 10:39.36 | TalkingHead | I will give up and go back to ubuntu, good bye. |
| 10:39.39 | TalkingHead | Sorry will |
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| 10:40.39 | themill | TandyUK: 'protoc\b' |
| 10:40.59 | TandyUK | ty |
| 10:41.05 | TandyUK | ahha, its protobuf-c-compiler |
| 10:41.51 | TandyUK | there we go, thanks :) |
| 10:42.14 | themill | np |
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| 10:45.43 | amnay | Hi, I'm having hang up issues with an NFS server (on which I have to privilege, I'm merely a client using the debian nfs package). I'm having a fair load of IO, and I get read timeouts: https://pastebin.com/rJ7qu2hV u got any idea? :) |
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| 11:05.57 | tdn | Where can I find a list of services and packages that require extra attention when upgrading from jessie->stretch? When going from 7 to 8, I remember I had to take special care with stuff like postgresql and apache. |
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| 11:08.46 | Iridos | apt will ask you during upgrade |
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| 11:09.42 | tdn | Iridos, yeah, but then it is a bit too late to plan |
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| 11:18.38 | Iridos | then do the upgrade on a (possibly virtual) test machine |
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| 11:22.54 | Epakai | !release notes |
| 11:22.54 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
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| 13:25.10 | john_rambo | I am using a bios system ... Is there a way to practice UEFI installation with something like Virtualbox ? |
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| 13:27.53 | apollo13 | afaik vbox still has bios |
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| 13:28.42 | teraflops | john_rambo: idk about vbox but you can with plain qemu or virt-manager |
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| 13:30.03 | john_rambo | teraflops, Which packages do I need to install ? Is there a guide ? |
| 13:31.31 | towo^work | vbox can emualte efi too |
| 13:32.27 | john_rambo | towo^work, Installing vbox now |
| 13:34.21 | john_rambo | towo^work, Cant find virtualbox in the repos ...How do I install it ? |
| 13:34.36 | towo^work | download it from oracle's website |
| 13:34.44 | john_rambo | OKay |
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| 13:35.00 | teraflops | john_rambo: I cannot search right now. you just need the uefi stuff. I use https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/OVMF |
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| 13:36.42 | john_rambo | teraflops, Trying vbox first if that fails will go for OVMF |
| 13:37.16 | teraflops | john_rambo: qemu/kvm |
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| 13:43.57 | john_rambo | towo^work, Finished installing virtualbox ...how do I enable UEFI mode ? |
| 13:44.46 | cruncher | vbox has efui |
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| 13:45.34 | cruncher | john_rambo, do you guys even look before asking? ;-) |
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| 13:46.11 | cruncher | for the ultra lazy ones: machine settings, system, motherboard, "Enable EFI" |
| 13:46.15 | towo^work | john_rambo, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1504532761.jpg |
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| 13:47.35 | john_rambo | cruncher, towo^work Thanks a lot |
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| 13:55.22 | ThCTLo | hi, i encountert a problem after upgradeing jessie to stretch with nfs. |
| 13:55.27 | ThCTLo | im getting : nfs-common.service: Cannot add dependency job, ignoring: Unit nfs-common.service is masked. |
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| 13:55.39 | ThCTLo | restalled nfs-common already. |
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| 13:56.04 | ThCTLo | unmasked reenabled etc. im out of options. any hints here for me? |
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| 14:24.49 | ThCTLo | he, chanserv is wispering wrong things : ...[#samba-technical] This is a forum for samba developers.... and mail the user's list - samba@samba.org - << email is wrong samba@list.samba.org is correct. |
| 14:25.34 | babilen | ThCTLo: In regard to #debianã? |
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| 14:25.58 | ThCTLo | i think so. |
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| 14:26.31 | ThCTLo | why is chanserv messaging me in #debian for samba technical. |
| 14:26.42 | babilen | I have no idea |
| 14:26.57 | cruncher | ThCTLo, you are not messaged "in" #debian |
| 14:27.07 | cruncher | you are messaged no matter in what channels you are |
| 14:27.09 | petemc | you get those type of messages when you join a channel |
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| 14:27.33 | ThCTLo | ah, ok, thank, but still the email adres is wrong. |
| 14:28.13 | babilen | ThCTLo: You might want to tell that to #samba-technical which you have, I presume, joined |
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| 14:28.42 | ThCTLo | i'll do that thank. |
| 14:28.50 | ThCTLo | im getting : nfs-common.service: Cannot add dependency job, ignoring: Unit nfs-common.service is masked. |
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| 14:29.04 | ThCTLo | after upgrade from jessie to stretch. |
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| 14:33.30 | tim1 | Hi, was gibt es so zu besprechen? :D |
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| 14:34.00 | n4dir | tim1: there is a german debian-irc channel, i am not sure about the name. perhaps #debian-de |
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| 14:34.23 | n4dir | !german |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:34.30 | lufeng | hi! guys! how can i save the video while Mplayer is playing by the http transport protocols |
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| 14:34.51 | lufeng | :) |
| 14:34.59 | lufeng | please |
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| 14:38.18 | lufeng | Is there anybody here who can help me ? |
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| 14:40.09 | cruncher | lufeng, im not sure, but does google work in china? |
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| 14:41.20 | lufeng | lol |
| 14:41.38 | lufeng | google is out of |
| 14:41.49 | cruncher | i mean, its such a simple question/answer. You would have seen it already before writing the question here. |
| 14:41.57 | cruncher | also there is man mplayer |
| 14:42.10 | cruncher | i can help you, but i prefer to teach you to help yourself |
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| 14:42.31 | cruncher | i mean, everybody here could |
| 14:42.56 | cruncher | lufeng, so if you cant use google, enter man mplayer, and check the "stream" section |
| 14:42.59 | bsdnoob | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 14:43.11 | bsdnoob | is this enough for sourcelist file? |
| 14:43.23 | annadane | bsdnoob, not if you're using stable, as that's testing |
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| 14:43.28 | bsdnoob | If I don't want any sources just binary packages ? |
| 14:43.40 | bsdnoob | annadane, yeah I am not on stable |
| 14:43.44 | bsdnoob | I am using testing |
| 14:43.53 | annadane | bsdnoob, sources aren't downloaded automatically |
| 14:43.55 | towo` | bsdnoob, if you have to ask such things, why you want to use testing? |
| 14:44.09 | annadane | you can put src in your sources list in the rare event you do want a source package |
| 14:44.16 | annadane | see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 14:44.16 | bsdnoob | towo`, because stable has very old software |
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| 14:44.31 | annadane | for future reference, testing/unstable is #debian-next |
| 14:44.48 | towo` | bsdnoob, wrong attitude |
| 14:44.58 | bsdnoob | towo`, why so? |
| 14:45.12 | towo` | because you name is suggesting that |
| 14:45.33 | towo` | noob and testing/unstable is a bad adwise |
| 14:45.52 | bsdnoob | towo`, not that noob but still a noob |
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| 14:45.58 | cruncher | and not even true as a general statement... its not very old, its just older |
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| 14:46.51 | cruncher | bsdnoob, so what software specifically do you want which is too old in stable? |
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| 14:48.06 | lufeng | bsdnoob: i made it |
| 14:49.40 | n4dir | there is a page on wiki.debian.org for testing. It says to replace stable with testing, but remove lines containing debian.security.org. If i understand correct, then you would need to also have: |
| 14:49.45 | n4dir | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main |
| 14:49.55 | n4dir | with testing instead of stretch. |
| 14:50.00 | n4dir | Is that so? |
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| 14:50.48 | bsdnoob | cruncher, mostly newer browser and kernel |
| 14:51.12 | n4dir | bsdnoob: debian backkports should take care of that (the browser not right now, but in general) |
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| 14:51.44 | bsdnoob | n4dir, I can live with testing |
| 14:51.50 | annadane | anyway, i forget what you need for testing |
| 14:52.16 | n4dir | bsdnoob: but towo` has a good point |
| 14:52.31 | n4dir | and cruncher has another good one. |
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| 14:53.32 | bsdnoob | n4dir, which one? |
| 14:54.13 | n4dir | towo said: if you have to ask such ; cruncher pointed out that it doesn't always make sense to want the newest software as soon upstream releases it |
| 14:54.54 | bsdnoob | n4dir, wouldn't that be unstable branch ? |
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| 14:55.42 | n4dir | iirc: new software "arrives" in sid/unstable, if there are no bug reports after 10 days, it goes to testing (probably a bit more complicated, but round the lines of that) |
| 14:55.59 | n4dir | So all that testing says is: after 10 days no one ran in a bug (yet) |
| 14:56.30 | bsdnoob | n4dir, I was asking that because I aptlist was complaining me of duplicate entries out of the blue and I wanted to make sure I am not breaking anything by removing other stuff there |
| 14:56.32 | n4dir | don't take my word for it. |
| 14:57.13 | bsdnoob | I've been running testing for ~6 months |
| 14:57.31 | n4dir | bsdnoob: i said how i understand the page about testing on wiki.debian.org. Let me quickly hunt for the link, check for yourself. |
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| 14:58.25 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting It is a list: 1) 2) 3) |
| 14:58.42 | annadane | i would disagree that testing is necessarily a terrible idea for beginners, you do need to be careful and make intelligent decisions though |
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| 14:59.11 | annadane | obviously "the best solution" is to use stable as it's pretty idiot-proof |
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| 15:06.08 | n4dir | annadane: main problem for me is that i never ran in serious problems with testing (rather sid), though anyone warned me (as a beginner, 6 months). I only installed it to test how long it will take till it breaks (which it never did). So sometimes i am a bit lighthearted. |
| 15:07.26 | n4dir | but if you want your environment to reliably work and if you know you sometimes ain't got the times to repair the mess or reinstall, then the situation is a different one (compared with only doing it for the fun) |
| 15:08.34 | bsdnoob | n4dir, I never ran into a major problem running arch which is more bleeding edge than testing |
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| 15:08.48 | annadane | basically, testing/unstable are usually quite stable and when they're not they're relatively easy to fix most of the time if you know what you're doing, but if you need your computer for work or stay up stable's the way to go |
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| 15:10.10 | annadane | the thing to do is keep backups and an installation medium with an iso on it - you should keep backups anyway - so if things really go south you always have an out |
| 15:10.24 | n4dir | bsdnoob: that is not the point. The question is a) do you need your OS to always work b) do you have got time and c) are you willing to search for answers for problems on your own. |
| 15:10.25 | SuperSeriousCat | You can just add backports repo to get apps in testing if needed |
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| 15:10.49 | n4dir | ^^ i agree SuperSeriousCat. |
| 15:11.10 | bsdnoob | n4dir, Why not when you break things you get to know something new |
| 15:12.41 | n4dir | bsdnoob: if that is your approach, then fine. Still this channel won't recommend to use testing in general. For the mentioned reasons (and probably more). |
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| 15:14.42 | n4dir | bsdnoob: just in case you got interest in another way to put it: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing |
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| 15:15.46 | n4dir | The Sid FAQ won't hurt too. |
| 15:16.29 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
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| 15:41.02 | reddy53 | hi |
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| 16:02.00 | kion | how can I test ram memory now that memtest+ is gone from the initial options? |
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| 16:02.27 | cosimone | this may be a noob question, but what if i need nonfree firmware during installation? |
| 16:02.43 | cosimone | where can i find the "media" to insert that contains this firmware? |
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| 16:04.08 | AndreasLutro | cosimone: the easiest is to just download the iso that includes the nonfree firmware |
| 16:04.15 | AndreasLutro | it can be a bit of a pain to find |
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| 16:05.43 | cosimone | AndreasLutro: found it right now looking on the site, thanks |
| 16:05.49 | cosimone | i'm gonna try that one |
| 16:06.02 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 16:06.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 16:06.24 | cosimone | is 9.1.0 the current stable version? |
| 16:06.46 | jelly | yes |
| 16:06.52 | cosimone | thanks |
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| 16:09.08 | le_pig | Is anyone aware of practical size limitations applied to .deb packages? |
| 16:09.42 | jelly | there are 2GB debs these days |
| 16:09.48 | le_pig | wow |
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| 16:17.46 | FinalX | say, user has cookies of .example.com and I don't want them forwarded to the backend |
| 16:18.04 | FinalX | eh, oops, wrong channel. |
| 16:18.22 | FinalX | sorry, used to #nginx being on this buffer number :p |
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| 16:52.22 | noemie | Hi, I would like to use my scanner wirelessly, an epson wf-2510 (an all in one printer in fact) but xsane didn't find it. I've read that people install iscan to use it but it's not in repos anymore... How can I use my scanner ? I'm on debain 9 |
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| 16:52.51 | alpunctus | help |
| 16:52.53 | alpunctus | i need help |
| 16:52.57 | noemie | scanimage -L didn't fint it either |
| 16:53.06 | alpunctus | i want to install windows on a usb flash drive but i can't find any tool to mount the iso |
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| 16:53.54 | alpunctus | please help |
| 16:54.15 | noemie | alpunctus: You want to create an usb install of windows or use windows on your usb flash drive ? |
| 16:54.28 | alpunctus | yes so i can install windows |
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| 16:54.33 | alpunctus | right now i'm on debian |
| 16:54.50 | alpunctus | i want to mount an iso into an usb |
| 16:55.10 | alpunctus | >>>i want to create an usb install of windows |
| 16:55.18 | jhutchins | alpunctus: Those are different things. |
| 16:55.29 | alpunctus | just |
| 16:55.31 | noemie | alpunctus: Try in your terminal sudo dd if=your_windows_file.iso of=/dev/sdX |
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| 16:55.48 | noemie | where X is the number of your flash device |
| 16:56.01 | alpunctus | don't you know like a tool |
| 16:56.03 | alpunctus | or something |
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| 16:56.08 | alpunctus | terminal doesn't seem very safe |
| 16:56.14 | alpunctus | unetbootin doesn't work |
| 16:56.20 | alpunctus | and i can't get winUSB |
| 16:56.39 | teraflops | alpunctus: if you do UEFi it's doable |
| 16:56.40 | jhutchins | alpunctus: What is the iso? |
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| 16:56.51 | alpunctus | windows7iso.iso |
| 16:56.55 | alpunctus | something like that |
| 16:56.58 | alpunctus | windows 7 ultimate |
| 16:57.13 | jhutchins | alpunctus: So it's probably the installer, which means you have to boot to the installer and intall it on the USB. |
| 16:57.32 | alpunctus | i just need a tool to "extract" the iso into the usb flash drive and then boot it up |
| 16:57.43 | alpunctus | so i can install windows |
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| 16:57.45 | alpunctus | onto my hd |
| 16:57.48 | alpunctus | hdd* |
| 16:57.48 | jelly | alpunctus: there's a fork of winusb, |
| 16:57.54 | alpunctus | ? |
| 16:57.57 | jhutchins | alpunctus: dd, cp, any copy command. |
| 16:57.58 | alpunctus | which one how do i get it |
| 16:58.16 | teraflops | alpunctus: this is not the right channel for sure |
| 16:58.22 | jhutchins | alpunctus: Theoretically you can use a graphical file manager. |
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| 16:58.47 | alpunctus | i just want to install windows via usb but i need something to put the iso files onto a usb so i can boot it up |
| 16:58.54 | jelly | https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB/ |
| 16:59.05 | jhutchins | alpunctus: You've been told how several times. |
| 16:59.12 | teraflops | winusb is fine |
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| 16:59.13 | jelly | you may have some luck building and using that one |
| 16:59.18 | alpunctus | i'll try woeusb |
| 16:59.20 | jhutchins | alpunctus: Use a copy command to copy the iso directly to the device. |
| 16:59.21 | teraflops | the fork too I guess |
| 16:59.33 | jelly | jhutchins: that does not work. |
| 17:00.24 | noemie | I've already dd'ing an iso image of windows onto a flash drive and yes it was working... |
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| 17:00.31 | alpunctus | the installation help is only for ubuntu |
| 17:00.34 | alpunctus | but i run debian |
| 17:00.45 | alpunctus | how am i supposed to install it |
| 17:00.55 | jhutchins | jelly: Wouldn't copying the iso file to a device make it a bootable installer? |
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| 17:01.31 | alpunctus | ok i don't care anymore just tell me how to extract an iso onto a flash drive |
| 17:01.33 | alpunctus | just tell me that |
| 17:01.43 | alpunctus | terminal or not |
| 17:01.45 | alpunctus | i don't care anymore |
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| 17:01.59 | teraflops | noemie: I dont believe you |
| 17:02.12 | n4dir | dd if=/path_to/win.iso of=/dev/sdb (assuming the usb is recognized as sdb) is what i do |
| 17:02.14 | jhutchins | I suppose it would depend what the iso was. |
| 17:02.14 | teraflops | noemie: iso? |
| 17:02.25 | abulletforfree | alpunctus you write the iso file to the flash drive with dd |
| 17:02.25 | jelly | jhutchins: no, or least, it's not bootable in all machines. winusb is a nice wrapper for, IIRC, some mbr code, some syslinux, fat32, and extracting files off .iso and into a filesystem on prepared bootable usb |
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| 17:02.46 | alpunctus | i can't run winusb or woeusb because it can't find the repo for some reason |
| 17:02.56 | alpunctus | i need something else |
| 17:03.03 | jelly | alpunctus: build woeusb from source. |
| 17:03.04 | teraflops | jelly: winusb is clever it installs grub and boot the iso from there |
| 17:03.06 | teraflops | :P |
| 17:03.18 | jelly | it can probably be done manually, but hey |
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| 17:03.26 | alpunctus | can someone just help me install woeusb from source cause i'm pretty dumb |
| 17:03.33 | alpunctus | pm me |
| 17:03.35 | abulletforfree | README |
| 17:03.40 | noemie | teraflops: Yep iso |
| 17:03.50 | teraflops | noemie: then it's hard to believe |
| 17:04.13 | jhutchins | teraflops: It would depend on what the iso was to begin with. If it was a bootable image, it should work. |
| 17:04.34 | teraflops | jhutchins: all windows ISOs are bootable |
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| 17:04.55 | alpunctus | crap |
| 17:04.56 | alpunctus | bash: ./setup-development-environment.bash: No such file or directory |
| 17:04.59 | alpunctus | wat do i do now |
| 17:05.06 | teraflops | I never heard of one that works just DD'ing into an usb |
| 17:05.09 | jelly | alpunctus: did the clone command work? |
| 17:05.10 | noemie | teraflops: I can't say you more, It was an iso of Win 7 X17-XXXX.iso, and I just dding it on my USB and reboot and I was able to start the windows installer |
| 17:05.18 | teraflops | noemie: I can say for sure |
| 17:05.18 | alpunctus | the git clone worked |
| 17:05.20 | alpunctus | but this didn't |
| 17:05.21 | alpunctus | bash: ./setup-development-environment.bash: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.27 | n4dir | teraflops: a win iso, i guess? |
| 17:05.32 | teraflops | yep |
| 17:05.38 | n4dir | ok. thanks |
| 17:05.45 | jelly | alpunctus: so what's in the current directory |
| 17:05.46 | jelly | !paste |
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| 17:05.49 | teraflops | n4dir: maybe it's a custom one |
| 17:05.59 | alpunctus | jelly: what do you mean |
| 17:05.59 | teraflops | noemie: ^ |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly | alpunctus: I mean show the contents of the currect directory |
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| 17:06.37 | jelly | alpunctus: pastebin the output of "ls -la" |
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| 17:07.00 | jelly | alpunctus: you will have to cd into the cloned source subdir. |
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| 17:16.00 | alpunctus | i can't |
| 17:16.06 | alpunctus | i can't do this anymore |
| 17:16.16 | alpunctus | i can't compile woeusb from source |
| 17:16.22 | alpunctus | everything is messed up |
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| 17:21.49 | jelly | don't give up |
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| 17:23.51 | le_pig | never give up |
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| 17:26.57 | annadane | think how much time knowing this stuff will save you later :) |
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| 17:32.50 | jhutchins | I think it's a bit much to encourage someone who is afraid of the console and doesn't know how to copy a file to compile something from github. |
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| 17:35.59 | annadane | ah that's possible, i haven't really been following the conversation :P |
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| 17:49.14 | AndChat182964 | I want to learn code by work |
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| 17:54.29 | annadane | this is for debian support questions |
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| 18:03.17 | psychoghost | Question is if use synaptic on stable debÃan will my system break? |
| 18:03.41 | psychoghost | I use terminal to update never a gui |
| 18:03.52 | psychoghost | But I only want to know |
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| 18:07.59 | nicdev | I just installed Debian stretch on Raspberry Pi 3, I am at loss on setting up a static ip address since it seems i can not use 'iface eth0 inet static', how is this done with the new interface names? |
| 18:08.19 | nkuttler | new interface names? |
| 18:08.27 | nkuttler | just use the new interface name? |
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| 18:09.07 | tripkin | nkuttler, what does "ip a" tell you the interface name is? |
| 18:09.25 | nkuttler | tripkin: not me |
| 18:09.56 | jhutchins | nicdev: You can also disable the new naming scheme. |
| 18:09.58 | tripkin | Sorry nkuttler I meant that for nicdev ... |
| 18:10.35 | jhutchins | nicdev: The new scheme is very useful for big systems that have several physical networks. |
| 18:10.35 | Vasistha | Trying to get my mic working. Booted recovery mode. I'm using arecord and aplay, put all capture levels to max in alsamixer |
| 18:11.01 | nicdev | jhutchins: pointers on how to disable it? |
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| 18:24.48 | jhutchins | nicdev: I think there is some documentation on the debian wiki... |
| 18:24.52 | jhutchins | !suspend |
| 18:24.53 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Debian 4.0 "Etch". Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <power devil> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>, <disable lid suspend>. https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 18:25.27 | jhutchins | !dpaste |
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| 18:26.10 | jhutchins | hellyeah: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:26.25 | jhutchins | !paste |
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| 18:26.56 | hellyeah | i just uploaded something i shoudlnt have uploaded |
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| 18:30.11 | will_ | for the not part |
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| 18:30.20 | will_ | debian finally works as nicely as mint :D |
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| 18:30.42 | will_ | now how do i turn off this annoying beep in terminal |
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| 18:31.22 | will_ | when i press backspace when theres nothing left to erase it beeps; thats sure to piss of people in an enclosed environment |
| 18:31.24 | jhutchins | will_: see /etc/inputrc |
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| 18:31.55 | will_ | wtf i just realized it aso does the beeping in here |
| 18:32.48 | AndreasLutro | `xset b off` does it for me |
| 18:33.41 | will_ | AndreasLutro, thats a command to run? |
| 18:33.59 | will_ | im looking through the inputrc file and i see some things are set to on |
| 18:34.05 | will_ | not sure what to urn off in there |
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| 18:34.59 | jhutchins | will_: You can also override the settings there in ~/.inputrc |
| 18:35.13 | will_ | well that xset command worked thank you |
| 18:35.29 | jhutchins | will_: I would suggest trying some changes and see what they do. You'll have to open a new shell for changes to take effect. |
| 18:35.37 | will_ | how do you guys jut remember all this random/specific commands and stuff |
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| 18:36.11 | annadane | experience |
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| 18:36.17 | annadane | and reading documentation |
| 18:36.18 | jhutchins | will_: For me it's couple of decades of repetition, good google skills, and knowing how to find stuff. |
| 18:36.46 | will_ | dear god, save me from docs. I've had enough of that and googlecloud this summer :( |
| 18:36.48 | will_ | and yesteray i was complaining about ctrl-alt-t not working to launch terminal |
| 18:36.51 | AndreasLutro | will_: I write it down and put my configuration files in git https://github.com/anlutro/dotfiles/blob/master/configs/x11/xsettings#L5 |
| 18:37.24 | jhutchins | will_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php |
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| 19:06.34 | algun | I have two user accounts. I messed up audio settings on one of them and gave up restoring them. Any way I can simply copy the settings from the working account to the messed up one? |
| 19:08.20 | annadane | my immediate guess would be to copy the alsa and pulseaudio config folders... |
| 19:08.36 | annadane | s/copy/replace |
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| 19:09.52 | jhutchins | annadane: Be sure to set the correct owner. |
| 19:10.08 | algun | I see .pulse, .config/pulse, but I see no alsa equivalents in either account. |
| 19:10.10 | jhutchins | er, algun |
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| 19:11.14 | algun | alsa-base however says it is install ok installed |
| 19:11.14 | jhutchins | algun: Try just copying those folders. You'll need to re-start your session (log out, log backin). |
| 19:11.36 | jhutchins | algun: Did you make changes to the alsa settings? |
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| 19:12.45 | algun | jhutchins: to be honest, I don't know what I did. But last time another helper's theory was that I changed drivers. I think I did try overwriting pulse configs but I'll try again (with chown of course). |
| 19:14.19 | algun | Yeah, I see .pulse.bk |
| 19:14.39 | algun | I don't see .config/pulse.bk though, so we'll see |
| 19:15.36 | algun | jhutchins: What about .pulse-cookie? |
| 19:16.01 | jhutchins | algun: No idea, pulse is one of the first things I remove from a new system. |
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| 19:16.42 | jhutchins | algun: I would think that a cookie file would be an identifier as opposed to a settings file. |
| 19:17.47 | algun | jhutchins: right, mine too. so I don't know if I should.. |
| 19:18.19 | algun | I'll try without it first (backed up the dir) |
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| 19:21.55 | jhutchins | Wow. I just copied /etc/inputrc to ~/.inputrc, Uncommented "set enable-keypad on", and now Ctrl-<arrow> works in irssi - I didn't even restart. |
| 19:22.18 | cVsup | I have two internet connections configured with dhcp. Somebody can say where i find documentation to create failover? |
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| 19:22.56 | [itchy] | hey i did a fresh install and i thought the account i added was the main one as in i get this error: |
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| 19:23.14 | [itchy] | user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:23.36 | [itchy] | how does one add the user to the sudoers file is my question i guess |
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| 19:24.12 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, it already worked, never mind. I wonder why I thought it didn't? |
| 19:24.18 | annadane | [itchy], sudo adduser user sudo |
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| 19:25.52 | [itchy] | trying to use that command gave me the same error, annadane :s |
| 19:26.07 | annadane | [itchy], as root |
| 19:26.32 | [itchy] | i cant sudo su either, how does one switch to root? |
| 19:26.36 | annadane | su |
| 19:26.51 | [itchy] | ah! ty |
| 19:27.07 | jhutchins | annadane: If you're already root, you don't need sudo. |
| 19:27.11 | annadane | probably just adduser works too, yeah |
| 19:27.14 | annadane | >_> |
| 19:27.25 | jhutchins | Also, it's a good habit to use "su -" instead of just su. |
| 19:27.37 | annadane | why is that? |
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| 19:28.58 | [itchy] | hmm, i got to root. i issued the adduser command. had no erro. it exited to regular terminal and i cant use this command still : |
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| 19:29.03 | jhutchins | traditionally, just "su" does not assume the environment of the target user, so you can end up breaking permissions on home files, and not having the $ROOT path. Most modern distros use a hacked version where leaving off the - for root will still get root's environment, but there are systems that don't do that. |
| 19:29.18 | [itchy] | Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
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| 19:29.30 | [itchy] | is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:29.33 | LtL | annadane: su - <-- 1st paragraph of man su |
| 19:29.41 | jhutchins | annadane: Also, if you're in a multi-user environment and want to do something like check another user's mail, you need "-". |
| 19:29.51 | rotaticus | [itchy]: you need to logoff logon to make it reread /etc/sudoers |
| 19:30.04 | [itchy] | ahh i see |
| 19:30.07 | [itchy] | ty! |
| 19:30.41 | annadane | jhutchins, does it matter if you're the only user on the system? |
| 19:30.59 | jhutchins | annadane: It's a good habit to develop. |
| 19:31.11 | jhutchins | annadane: Only two extra keystrokes. |
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| 19:31.58 | drinks2go | but su juhutchins and su - jhutchins could produce different results no |
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| 19:32.08 | balance | hi |
| 19:32.17 | dstensnes | hi there |
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| 19:32.21 | balance | is it just me or is the "getting debian page" down? |
| 19:32.29 | balance | e.g. https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 19:32.30 | dstensnes | ftp.no.debian.org points to ftp.se.debian.org but ftp.se.debian.org is down |
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| 19:32.39 | drinks2go | happens sometimes |
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| 19:33.15 | drinks2go | ive seen that on the ftp mirror before |
| 19:34.00 | dstensnes | https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-status.html says ftp.uio.no (ftp.no.debian.org) is up, but ftp.no.debian.org still points to the .se. mirror which is down |
| 19:34.21 | balance | ah ok ty |
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| 19:34.58 | dstensnes | balance: are you from Norway by any chance? |
| 19:35.11 | balance | dstensnes: switzerland why? |
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| 19:35.31 | dstensnes | ah, ok, just wondering if your problems might be same as mine :) |
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| 19:37.03 | [itchy] | oh wow i think i am on a computer that doesn't support 64 bit .deb stuff |
| 19:37.15 | balance | dstensnes: ah ok :) |
| 19:37.22 | [itchy] | ): package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
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| 19:40.53 | [itchy] | i thought i had chrome on an older computer |
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| 19:41.06 | [itchy] | should have asked how to install chrome on this computer maybe |
| 19:41.36 | maxcell_ | what is kernel BPO on debian? |
| 19:41.41 | maxcell_ | stretch-backports |
| 19:41.47 | maxcell_ | why the name bpo1 |
| 19:42.04 | [itchy] | how does one install chrome? (I tried it from the chrome website .deb but its for 64 bit and it says i am 32 bits) |
| 19:42.09 | tremon | bpo simply means the kernel comes from -backports |
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| 19:42.19 | maxcell_ | ohhh bpo = backports |
| 19:42.22 | notadrop | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/cdimage.debian.org |
| 19:42.24 | maxcell_ | thank you |
| 19:42.37 | maxcell_ | [itchy], dude, its easy |
| 19:42.41 | tremon | the 1 means it's the first build of this particular version |
| 19:42.51 | [itchy] | i'm new to this, sorry |
| 19:43.14 | tremon | do you really need chrome? why not use chromium? |
| 19:43.22 | maxcell_ | you download chrome and dpkg install chrome.deb - it will got a sort of error - then you type apt-get -f install and it will isntall the dependencies and chrome. thats all |
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| 19:43.56 | maxcell_ | get it? |
| 19:44.57 | notadrop | cdimage.debian.org is down. scheduled maintenance? |
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| 19:49.52 | hexfive | hey, wanted to report an issue concerning the debian bittorrent tracker. making a request for peers returns a malformed response (beencoded list is missing a starting 'l' tag). I'm not sure where this should be reported so dropping it here. |
| 19:49.54 | hexfive | https://pastebin.com/ewcMr23t |
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| 19:53.45 | n0nada | others having issues with the ftp.se.debian.org mirror? |
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| 19:54.24 | Mathisen | n0nada, yes cant reach it |
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| 19:54.56 | n0nada | Mathisen: Alrighty, thanks |
| 19:55.49 | nvz | !deb.debian.org |
| 19:55.49 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 19:56.18 | algun | n0nada: pings back for me |
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| 19:56.35 | algun | or rather, pongs |
| 19:57.09 | dstensnes | n0nada: yes, it appears to be down. ftp.no.debian.org also points to ftp.se.debian.org so that is unavailable as well |
| 19:57.32 | n0nada | dstensnes: Ok, thanks for the info |
| 19:57.33 | algun | nvz: then why do sources get configured with country code ones? |
| 19:57.35 | dstensnes | n0nada: https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-status.html |
| 19:57.53 | n0nada | ah, great! |
| 19:58.17 | nvz | algun: idk, they shouldnt be. some are still using httpredir.debian.org too which is wrong, it only still works because it points to deb.debian.org |
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| 19:58.48 | nvz | if you just use deb.debian.org you should be fine |
| 19:58.51 | psychoghost | Where's the debÃan git at? |
| 19:59.21 | algun | nvz: i mean the install process offers you mirrors, and i think the preselected one is your country code one |
| 19:59.36 | algun | or maybe preselected after you select your country |
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| 20:00.24 | algun | *shrugs*. The factoid should be the install dialog i guess |
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| 20:01.09 | fredl | hi folks, anybody know if there's a LIO channel somewhere? |
| 20:01.21 | algun | Don't you find the install process takes too much time? |
| 20:01.43 | nvz | algun: I'm the wrong person to have this discussion with I haven't used the installer in a very long time. All I know is we long ago setup universal redirects, first it was cdn, then httpredir, now its just deb.debian.org |
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| 20:02.19 | algun | nvz: How come? You use images? Or just admin a few pcs that you upgrade? |
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| 20:03.32 | nvz | algun: I've just been upgrading, I have no need to use the installer. I dont work in the field. Went to school for it, hated it, now I'm just a user. |
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| 20:04.18 | algun | nvz: Interesting, would you like to say what you do now? |
| 20:04.52 | nvz | algun: you're welcome to join #debian-offtopic or ##nvz I'm sure those needing support don't appreciate the casual discussion |
| 20:05.01 | [itchy] | uhh i think i somehow made a livecd of some super old debian |
| 20:05.19 | [itchy] | what should the current uname -a say? :s |
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| 20:05.40 | fredl | dang this LinuxIO stuff is complex :/ |
| 20:05.53 | [itchy] | $ uname -a Linux debian 4.9.0-3-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:06.01 | [itchy] | how off am i with the current one? |
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| 20:06.22 | [itchy] | 9.1 |
| 20:07.17 | algun | Can the installer be configured to at least decompress a few packages in parallel? Seems like a waste of time to wait for this to be done in series |
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| 20:10.29 | awer | Hi trying to install powershell Empire (pentesting tool) and im having a dependency issue. "libicu55:amd64 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 5.2); however Version of libstdc++6:amd64 on system is 4.9.2-10" anyway to update this on Debian Jessie? |
| 20:10.31 | tux2017 | hello, please provide me a link to the non free live debian torrents |
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| 20:12.34 | algun | tux2017: non-free is opt in |
| 20:12.47 | towo` | tux2017, install stretch |
| 20:12.53 | towo` | grr |
| 20:13.00 | towo` | awer, install stretch |
| 20:13.05 | towo` | tux2017, sorry |
| 20:13.10 | awer | i dont have that option im afraid |
| 20:13.26 | towo` | why? |
| 20:13.37 | polaris | Hi there, I have an ASUS X556U and I am using Debian stretch on it. I upgraded the kernel to 4.11 using the stretch-backports since the mousepad wasn't working as expected. Now every time I turn it on I get this message: tpm_crb MSFT0101:00: can't request region for resource |
| 20:13.39 | towo` | you can update jessie to stretch |
| 20:13.41 | tux2017 | towo`: which DE of Debian 9 is least buggy? |
| 20:13.41 | awer | i obnly have permission to install the tool |
| 20:13.54 | towo` | tux2017, ?? |
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| 20:14.01 | tux2017 | I intend to install Debian 9 xfce. |
| 20:14.03 | towo` | awer, then you are lost |
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| 20:14.13 | awer | ah ok well at least i know. Thanks |
| 20:14.25 | polaris | I tried to look for clues, but I still don't know what that message means |
| 20:15.10 | tux2017 | I am a linux beginner? which version of Debian would be suitable for me? |
| 20:15.40 | tux2017 | I mean Debian with which DE? |
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| 20:16.09 | Mathisen | the one you like |
| 20:16.16 | nvz | tux2017: all DEs are fairly easy to use, its a matter of preference.. look around at their websites, view some screenshots, etc, and decide what you like |
| 20:16.19 | polaris | Gnome shell is really user friendly tux2017 |
| 20:16.48 | tux2017 | polaris: you mean the default one? |
| 20:16.49 | annadane | tux2017, xfce is probably a good start |
| 20:16.57 | annadane | and, oh boy, i see conflicting opinions |
| 20:16.58 | tux2017 | ok |
| 20:17.01 | annadane | ducks out |
| 20:17.03 | polaris | Yes tux2017 |
| 20:17.03 | nvz | tux2017: and you can have more than one installed and choose from the login screen, the ISOs are misleading, thats just which one they have all the packages for on the CD, you can install any from the online package mirrors easily and try them out |
| 20:17.06 | annadane | of course, you can always try both |
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| 20:17.24 | tux2017 | ok |
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| 20:17.37 | tux2017 | what are non free versions? |
| 20:17.40 | algun | I like awer's character. Very random |
| 20:17.48 | algun | awer exits stage |
| 20:18.07 | AlexLikeRock | tux2017, they contain a non-free firmware or software |
| 20:18.24 | tux2017 | ok. Please provide the links to that? |
| 20:18.32 | AlexLikeRock | yes https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.en.html |
| 20:18.44 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: thanks a lot. |
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| 20:20.02 | polaris | Hi there, I have an ASUS X556U and I am using Debian stretch on it. I upgraded the kernel to 4.11 using the stretch-backports since the mousepad wasn't working as expected. Now every time I turn it on I get this message: tpm_crb MSFT0101:00: can't request region for resource. I tried to look for clues, but I still don't know what that message means. Does anyone know how can I solve it? |
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| 20:21.49 | drinks2go | trusted platform module |
| 20:22.04 | will_ | tpm |
| 20:22.07 | drinks2go | polaris is intel tpm enabled in bios |
| 20:22.07 | rotaticus | tux2017: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 20:22.39 | tux2017 | rotaticus: thanks a lot for that link |
| 20:22.47 | will_ | how can i reduce character font size in terminal |
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| 20:23.01 | will_ | oh wait nvm |
| 20:23.09 | algun | heh |
| 20:23.15 | polaris | I don't know drinks2go, should it be enabled? |
| 20:23.17 | tux2017 | is it better to try normal iso or the live versions? |
| 20:23.27 | rotaticus | will_: console-setup |
| 20:23.31 | will_ | i was lookiing for it in preferences; was Zoom out option |
| 20:23.37 | tux2017 | I want to create a live usb and try first. |
| 20:24.01 | rotaticus | will_: sry that was for pty |
| 20:24.19 | will_ | rotaticus, why are people so keen to always push to me to a terminal based solution when there are easy2clickngo options |
| 20:24.24 | will_ | ahh i see |
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| 20:24.54 | drinks2go | polaris not really sure what it's all about |
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| 20:25.05 | AlexLikeRock | yes tux2017 , try to enhanced FREE SOFTWARE |
| 20:25.43 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: what do you mean? |
| 20:25.46 | drinks2go | polaris archwiki has a pretty decent page on it, looks like. I believe I was seeing similar messages on a box I have, turning tpm off in bios stopped the messages |
| 20:25.51 | AlexLikeRock | to make more FREEDOOM FOSTWARE |
| 20:26.00 | AlexLikeRock | read this https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html |
| 20:26.05 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: how? |
| 20:26.34 | rotaticus | will_: why do people want to use mouses? details details who cares about details? ;) |
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| 20:27.31 | drinks2go | polaris if you're asking about the wider security implications of turning it off, I have no idea :-) seems like it's not behaving though. |
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| 20:27.36 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: you mean not to go for non free versions of debian? |
| 20:27.51 | will_ | LOL i imagine u have an entirely terminal based setup. Some guy showed me a screenshot of his desktop a while back. Man, the frustration i would suffer, living like that. I'm slowly trying to get comfortable with doing more in console though |
| 20:27.54 | drinks2go | polaris but fwiw I belive that is something to do with intel trusted platform module, that might help you out in your search |
| 20:28.29 | will_ | i've heard of this intel tpm before; is it hardware-based or software? |
| 20:28.40 | AlexLikeRock | tux2017, use NON-FREE if really are necessarily |
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| 20:29.03 | th0r | tux2017, you might want to be a bit more careful who you listen to. |
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| 20:29.33 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: what exactly do they contain. are they not necessary? |
| 20:29.47 | rotaticus | will_: it is concole-setup,tmux and irssi ftw :) |
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| 20:30.08 | will_ | lol again |
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| 20:30.33 | polaris | thanks drinks2go, I'll read more about it. Thaks for the clues |
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| 20:32.07 | AlexLikeRock | tux2017, contain a necessary firmware-NON-FREE (or drivers-NON-FREE) to work WIFI, Graphics , HDD , etc,etc |
| 20:32.29 | drinks2go | will_ i believe it is a piece of hardware |
| 20:32.45 | AlexLikeRock | some times are necessary non-free software to work fine the laptop or Desktop |
| 20:33.05 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: I have a brand new laptop. |
| 20:33.32 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: so, I think some non free firmware would be needed. what do you say? |
| 20:33.41 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 20:33.46 | AlexLikeRock | that |
| 20:33.53 | tux2017 | ok |
| 20:34.14 | tux2017 | let me download and try Debian 9 then. |
| 20:34.21 | AlexLikeRock | try first CD-live (normal) FREE |
| 20:34.38 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: ok. |
| 20:34.39 | AlexLikeRock | if have problem, try NON-FREE |
| 20:34.42 | tux2017 | will do that. |
| 20:34.44 | towo` | better would be to start with the non-free version |
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| 20:35.22 | AlexLikeRock | tux2017, you are novice ? |
| 20:35.22 | rotaticus | better = faster or better = more learned ? |
| 20:35.32 | tux2017 | ok. suppose I install free version of debian, can I install non free firmware later? |
| 20:35.33 | AlexLikeRock | at GNU-linux World ? |
| 20:35.39 | towo` | there is not really many hardware arround, which does not need any binary blob, especialy notebooks are very rare |
| 20:35.42 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: yes. |
| 20:36.05 | AlexLikeRock | I install non free firmware later = yes |
| 20:36.17 | AlexLikeRock | they are easy |
| 20:36.18 | rotaticus | tux2017: you can, IF you can make a connection without wlan |
| 20:36.19 | AlexLikeRock | ;-) |
| 20:36.32 | AlexLikeRock | yes, by ethernet |
| 20:36.41 | rotaticus | wlan most times but i hear eth's too todays |
| 20:36.54 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: what is your advice for a novice to linux world? |
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| 20:38.02 | AlexLikeRock | stay her in this chat :-) |
| 20:38.10 | drinks2go | i've never had a issue with non-free firmware on NIC |
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| 20:38.20 | AlexLikeRock | you can ask everyting with respect ;-) |
| 20:38.23 | drinks2go | sorry with free firmware |
| 20:38.54 | tux2017 | AlexLikeRock: ok |
| 20:39.13 | rotaticus | drinks2go: did you choose wisely or was it luck? |
| 20:40.01 | drinks2go | random luck I guess, range of hardware too, and though I haven't looked I'd be blown over if they were all the same |
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| 20:40.34 | drinks2go | but I'm a low-end sucker, so that probably explains it. |
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| 20:42.04 | rotaticus | so am i (360MHz) waiting weeks to have my music replaygained |
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| 20:44.46 | drinks2go | wut |
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| 21:03.37 | nvz | I need help with a sound issue, I'm using HDMI sound because while my device has a regular audocodec there are no sound jacks, so I have card 1 device 0 set in /etc/asound.conf and mplayer for example works, but pianobar doesn't and I think this is because its using /dev/dsp and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is not producing any sound. How do I set the proper output for oss emulation? |
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| 21:19.26 | rotaticus | nvz: is it pulseaudio? padsp or pasuspend could help |
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| 21:23.23 | nvz | no, there are no sound daemons on the system |
| 21:23.34 | nvz | I tried installing aoss and it still has no sound |
| 21:23.44 | nvz | whats weird is I know this has worked on this machine before |
| 21:24.07 | nvz | I added the user to the audio group and relogged |
| 21:24.25 | nvz | and as I said mplayer has sound |
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| 21:26.26 | rotaticus | nvz: got alsa-utils? there is speaker-test perhaps that helps a bit |
| 21:26.30 | RoyK | any idea how to do nfs4 with sec=sys correctly? I've tried to export with sec=sys,insecure,no_root_squash (everything is locked down elsewhere), but I still get an error when attempting to write. I've seen this earlier, but I don't recall finding a solution other than going back to nfs3, which isn't very convenient right now |
| 21:30.18 | Bukki | Anyone know a way to install Debian on an old Laptop which can't boot from USB and it's CD Player is broken? Windows XP is still running if I could start Installer maybe from there. |
| 21:31.38 | nvz | rotaticus: not really I already verified the sound works with mplayer |
| 21:32.40 | bolt | Bukki: netinstall, or a boot floppy that will chain a netinstall, or external cd-rom, or move the drive to another machine, install the base system and move it back. |
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| 21:33.22 | nvz | Bukki: there are tools to boot the install from windows but none are officially supported by debian that I know of, do you have another machine? |
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| 21:33.54 | Bukki | I've another Laptop currently still Debian installed. |
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| 21:34.07 | bolt | Bukki: just switch the drives and install |
| 21:34.37 | nvz | Bukki: you can perhaps setup a tftp boot server and PXE boot the other machine or you could if they use the same type of HDD just switch the HDD out into the other machine |
| 21:34.44 | bolt | debian is usually quite happy with being moved after install |
| 21:34.58 | Bukki | uhm... okay, will look if that works. Are they standarized for Laptops? |
| 21:34.59 | nvz | yes but he did mention its an old laptop which probably has a PATA hdd |
| 21:35.09 | nvz | newer laptops have SATA |
| 21:36.58 | nvz | Bukki: actually the windows method I spoke of is mentioned in the debian install guide |
| 21:37.37 | nvz | 5.1.3. Booting From Windows mentions downloading an exe file from the mirror that loads the installer from windows |
| 21:38.09 | mar77i | so I'm slowly doubting I'm editing the wrong file. |
| 21:38.55 | Bukki | Yeah I already read that. |
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| 21:39.09 | |subz3r0| | hi |
| 21:39.13 | Bukki | But as far I know I'd need Grub or Lilu for that on an external USB/CD to be able to boot. |
| 21:39.20 | mar77i | I'm rebaking debian installation cd, and adding a preseed.cfg works fine and all sorts of things, but I'm also trying to make the cd boot from grub after a timeout and it's just not going to get there. |
| 21:39.24 | Bukki | Which wouldn't work |
| 21:39.32 | nvz | Bukki: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.exe |
| 21:39.49 | |subz3r0| | within a fresh installed debian 8 version i cannot use iptables -m multiport |
| 21:40.23 | mar77i | what kind of magic do I have to apply to have the config from (iso)/boot/grug/grub.cfg actually be used on boot? |
| 21:40.26 | |subz3r0| | iptables tells me "Bad argument 80,443,52 |
| 21:40.29 | nvz | Bukki: do you want to replace the OS on this laptop or setup a dual-boot? |
| 21:40.31 | |subz3r0| | any ideas |
| 21:40.37 | |subz3r0| | ? |
| 21:40.47 | mar77i | |subz3r0|: use dots and 4 octets? |
| 21:41.01 | Bukki | I'd prefer Dual-Boot. If it doesn't work otherwise I'd also replace. |
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| 21:41.06 | |subz3r0| | mar77i: ehrm. what? |
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| 21:41.15 | mar77i | ah wait, those are supposed to be port numbers? |
| 21:41.22 | |subz3r0| | indeed |
| 21:41.34 | mar77i | you have to tell it one by one by reading the fine manual... |
| 21:41.42 | mar77i | wait, I'll see whether I can dig something up |
| 21:41.51 | mar77i | magic happens at google... |
| 21:42.05 | rotaticus | mar77i: use /etc/default/grub and update-grub iirc |
| 21:42.10 | nvz | Bukki: you'd likely want to resize the partition to make room before starting the installer. Most machines with a wired network card can PXE boot, you may have to enable PXE booting in the bios though. Then you can launch the installer from the other laptop running debian |
| 21:42.55 | Bukki | ok |
| 21:42.59 | mar77i | rotaticus: thing is, there's no /etc n the iso :) |
| 21:43.14 | nvz | Bukki: it will require some setup, but its not terribly difficult and it does work, I've done it before many times. You need a dhcp server and tftp on the laptop you will boot from and the PXE image files from a debian mirror |
| 21:43.37 | nvz | Bukki: you only need to hook a cable between the two laptops long enough for it to copy the image, then you can disconnect them |
| 21:43.37 | rotaticus | mar77i: sry details missed |
| 21:44.31 | mar77i | so I basically added a comment to even the most basic set theme=... and still nothing changed. |
| 21:45.04 | mar77i | hmm, could it be that another grub.cfg is hiding in that efi.img on the cd? |
| 21:45.25 | nvz | Bukki: the install guide section 4.5 is all about setting up the debian box to TFTP Net Boot the other machine over PXE, you just need to get into the BIOS of the other machine and verify that it can boot from the network |
| 21:45.42 | Bukki | okay. Will work on that. Thanks. |
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| 21:46.20 | Bukki | Will you be online next time if I've questions about? |
| 21:47.20 | nvz | I'm usually around, but I may be asleep. The install guide pretty much covers all the steps from what files you need on the server, how the configs go, and once its all setup and the other machine is set to boot PXE _BEFORE_ any other boot device, its all automatic |
| 21:48.08 | fearnothing | hi guys, what's the best way of getting python 3.5/3.6 working on Jessie? I can install it by adding the testing branch to apt, but it doesn't work properly, some packages don't compile |
| 21:48.20 | nvz | I'm sure other people know about the PXE method. I've used it many times.. its one of my favorite install methods because you can keep several installers on a laptop and just install to anything you plug into it and choose which one from a PXE boot menu |
| 21:48.52 | mar77i | efi.img looks a lot like an executable to me. |
| 21:48.52 | Bukki | Just another idea: If I somehow be able to install Grub on the Laptop should that maybe enable USB Booting? |
| 21:48.53 | nvz | ,info python3 |
| 21:48.54 | judd | Package python3 (python, optional) in stretch/amd64: interactive high-level object-oriented language (default python3 version). Version: 3.5.3-1; Size: 21.1k; Installed: 67k; Homepage: http://www.python.org/ |
| 21:49.06 | nvz | ,versions python3 |
| 21:49.07 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.5.3-3; sid: 3.5.3-3 |
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| 21:50.37 | nvz | fearnothing: perhaps just setting up a chroot would be simplest and safest |
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| 21:52.18 | nvz | fearnothing: you can install schroot and debootstrap, then debootstrap stretch or even buster/sid in a directory then configure schroot to run python from inside that chroot |
| 21:52.48 | nvz | fearnothing: this would save you the headache of compiling or possibly breaking your package manager by installing outside the branch |
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| 21:53.47 | nvz | best part of all a chroot could be easily tarred up and used on any machine with any distro.. so your dev environment would be portable |
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| 21:56.09 | fearnothing | nvz, currently looking at upgrading from jessie to stretch |
| 21:56.25 | fearnothing | the stuff on that box isn't massively complicated and its only user is me |
| 21:57.34 | nvz | fearnothing: that is also certainly a good option but more time consuming. I've used schroot in the past for things like this. You can easily run things in other branches as though they were installed natively without mucking up your system |
| 21:58.15 | nvz | I'd consider the upgrade or the schroot myself before I'd try compiling/backporting it myself |
| 21:58.35 | fearnothing | nvz: I can get python3.6 running, but it complains about a missing object file when trying to compile certain packages/libraries |
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| 22:00.03 | nvz | idk I've never noticed any real need for it yet. I just dabble and most things I've fooled with lately I've actually had to go BACK to 2.x for because they haven't been ported to 3.x I've seen nothing that I needed newer than what is available |
| 22:00.47 | fearnothing | well, python2 is being deprecated in a couple years, so it seems like a sensible time to start moving over |
| 22:01.35 | nvz | sure, but why do you need 3.6 over 3.4 or 3.5 |
| 22:01.40 | fearnothing | and the package I need isn't compatible with python 3.4, it uses % string formatting which requires 3.5 or higher |
| 22:01.45 | will_ | fearnothing, NO |
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| 22:01.51 | will_ | i dont wanna hear that :( |
| 22:01.59 | will_ | python2 for life |
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| 22:03.08 | fearnothing | python3 is fine |
| 22:03.19 | fearnothing | you'd barely have to change anything |
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| 22:04.01 | will_ | I just began working with google cloud and any python realted stuff on there is on python2 :/ |
| 22:04.06 | will_ | related* |
| 22:04.17 | fearnothing | mostly just print "abc" to print("abc") |
| 22:04.26 | will_ | and this has been killing me: why does my PrtScr not do anything |
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| 22:07.11 | nvz | what are you expecting for it to peel itslf off the keyboard and dance a jig? |
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| 22:36.25 | mar77i | it appears grub config for the install cd is in (cdrom)/isolinux/*.cfg |
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| 22:39.23 | mar77i | boom. |
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| 22:43.16 | mar77i | edited isolinux/isolinux.cfg and it's working! |
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| 22:54.17 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hello I just installed Debian and rebooted and in stuck at a screen that say /dev/sdb1 clean files and blocks and it won't go past that any idea? |
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| 22:55.59 | Brigo | HoloIRCUser1, try booting in rescue mode |
| 22:56.11 | HoloIRCUser1 | I did same thing |
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| 22:56.57 | Brigo | HoloIRCUser1, how much time have you waited? |
| 22:57.07 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hour |
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| 22:57.36 | Brigo | have you got the some problem with the rescue mode? |
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| 22:58.12 | HoloIRCUser1 | I go I to recovery mode and I get begin running scripts and done then it just hangs |
| 22:58.33 | Brigo | you can try some tips from this link: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ |
| 22:58.52 | HoloIRCUser1 | Is recovery and rescue same thing? |
| 22:59.19 | Brigo | no |
| 22:59.38 | Brigo | well, really not sure. |
| 22:59.41 | HoloIRCUser1 | How do I get into rescue |
| 23:00.04 | Brigo | i think rescue is booting from a usb or live dvd or something like that. |
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| 23:18.22 | precise|debian | Good evening, happy labor day to those in the USA. I'm currently working with a relatively fresh installation (<1 month old) of Debian Stretch AMD64. I have dmcrypt on LVM for all partitions across a SSD and HDD, no drive spanning or striping. My /boot is on an external, unencrypted USB drive. On boot, I receive a warning stating that the lvmetad service can not be connected to, and that I am falling back to device scanning. |
| 23:20.24 | precise|debian | It appears that the root of my issue is that lvmetad isn't started as /root has yet to be decrypted, is this correct? When is the lvmetad daemon started and where is it located? Also, this is a personal system in which physical devices never change. The purpose of lvmetad is to cache metadata about the location of physical and logical disks, if these never change, supposedly I can safely suppress it. Does supressing the error po |
| 23:20.33 | precise|debian | What about completely disabling the lvmetad daemon? |
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