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| 00:00.41 | drinks2go | wooden ok, you have --dupilicate-cn or similar in conf? |
| 00:00.57 | drinks2go | Paul-- realvnc |
| 00:01.23 | Paul-- | drinks2go, is it not possible with ssh ? |
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| 00:01.57 | Paul-- | realvnc is similar to remmina ? |
| 00:02.09 | Paul-- | I use remmina to view win desktop |
| 00:02.25 | drinks2go | you don't mean ssh |
| 00:02.30 | nvz | I am getting these two messages repeating every 3 seconds on Debian 8 in daemon.log: avahi-daemon[624]: Registering new address record for 2601:547:80:15ec:e58f:b2b1:e48b:8b3e on eth0.*. \ avahi-daemon[624]: Withdrawing address record for 2601:547:80:15ec:e58f:b2b1:e48b:8b3e on eth0. |
| 00:02.36 | drinks2go | but you do? |
| 00:04.03 | Paul-- | hello |
| 00:04.11 | drinks2go | im confused what you want |
| 00:04.18 | drinks2go | you can do it over ssh |
| 00:04.26 | wooden | drinks2go: no, no --duplicate-cn anywhere. |
| 00:05.04 | drinks2go | you need duplicate-cn in server.conf |
| 00:05.05 | nvz | this just started happening 10 hours ago and is spewing these two messages non-stop into daemon long every 3 seconds and I'm not sure what the problem is |
| 00:05.18 | Paul-- | I must install the server on vnc or no ? |
| 00:05.26 | drinks2go | otherwise probably your conf is set to reject two clients accessing with the same cert |
| 00:05.31 | Paul-- | isn't x server a server yet ? |
| 00:05.37 | a0z | Paul--: you could try the x11vnc package? |
| 00:05.38 | drinks2go | what? |
| 00:05.50 | drinks2go | you can forward x through ssh fine |
| 00:05.52 | Paul-- | a0z, on the server machine ? |
| 00:06.14 | a0z | Paul--: yes |
| 00:06.31 | a0z | Paul--: it will hook into an existing (running) X session |
| 00:06.44 | a0z | Paul--: you can then use a vncviewer client to connect to it |
| 00:06.54 | will | i was unable to change install directory in wine? |
| 00:06.58 | a0z | Paul--: i haven't done it in a while, but thats how i used to do it |
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| 00:07.09 | drinks2go | ForwardX11 Yes needs to be put into ~/.ssh/config on client, /etc/ssh/sshd_config on server |
| 00:07.10 | will | was set to c:/program files which doesnt exist on linux |
| 00:07.36 | will | i assume its what caused this |
| 00:07.41 | will | err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot |
| 00:08.00 | drinks2go | https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12772 Paul-- |
| 00:08.33 | wooden | drinks2go: no, sorry, i've had multiple openvpn clients connected to this server with this configuration many times. it's something on the client end. --duplicate-cn is a server flag. |
| 00:09.04 | drinks2go | the client isn't accepting the client cert you think? |
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| 00:09.46 | drinks2go | or sorry |
| 00:09.54 | drinks2go | client not accepting server |
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| 00:14.14 | wooden | drinks2go: ssl cert problems are a nightmare. going to go back to google. |
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| 00:15.17 | wooden | drinks2go: i tried copying the /etc/ssl/cert directory from the functioning machine, but it still refuses to work on this one. i don't know what else to do. is there some secret cert stash somewhere? |
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| 00:56.02 | nettly | hi |
| 00:56.15 | nettly | I want a local resolving dns server so my dns lookups are faster |
| 00:56.18 | nettly | what can I use? :D |
| 00:56.24 | nettly | debian/ubuntu |
| 00:56.27 | nettly | quick and easy |
| 00:56.34 | nettly | the one of my isp is causing pain |
| 00:57.05 | abrotman | nettly: you'd probably ask #ubuntu |
| 00:57.14 | nettly | *or debian |
| 00:57.16 | nettly | Ialso got debian |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | nettly: do you want it on each system? |
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| 00:58.01 | nettly | well, it would be ok onlyfor that particular one |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | No, I meant, do you have an always-on system that you'd want to be the DNS for your home network? |
| 00:58.34 | nettly | not yet |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | in most situations, bind is fine. You can set it up to be a local-only caching-only resolver |
| 00:58.38 | nettly | so just for that ubuntu system |
| 00:58.44 | nettly | what is the fastest + easiest way? |
| 00:58.49 | nettly | ideally just installing a package? |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | there's also dnsmasq |
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| 00:59.57 | nettly | so I could just install the dnsmasq package and get dns on localhost? |
| 01:00.57 | abrotman | You probably would want to read something first, maybe adjust a few settings |
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| 01:08.38 | finlstrm | just be careful of running your own DNS... before you know it you are running 4 of them, with 2 publics hosting your domain name |
| 01:08.41 | finlstrm | :) |
| 01:09.02 | abrotman | and hosting for your friends? |
| 01:09.44 | finlstrm | not yet... but I'm sure that'll happen at some point |
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| 01:32.19 | codebam | hey, my atheros card won't connect to wifi. when I look at the logs it says it's because it's being deauthed |
| 01:32.23 | codebam | how do I fix it |
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| 01:35.53 | Krennic | b 24 |
| 01:36.52 | codebam | ? |
| 01:36.53 | codebam | Krennic: what |
| 01:37.39 | Krennic | nothing b= buffer in weechat i forgot to put / before |
| 01:37.42 | Sveta | it is a typo. '/b 24' command switches to buffer |
| 01:37.55 | Krennic | yup |
| 01:38.06 | Krennic | just i for got to put the / |
| 01:39.23 | codebam | oh sorry |
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| 01:42.37 | random_numbers | Did the latest file security update not concern Jessie? |
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| 01:44.54 | somiaj | random_numbers: you can look at the security tracker to double check. |
| 01:45.45 | somiaj | random_numbers: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-1000249 |
| 01:45.58 | random_numbers | I should probably bookmark that. In the meantime, thanks. |
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| 01:49.36 | random_numbers | Ah, it was unaffected. Thanks. |
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| 01:56.50 | will | my bretheren |
| 01:57.05 | will | anyone mind telling me why PrtSc doesnt work in debian? |
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| 01:59.33 | Sir_Designer_ | does it work in any linux? |
| 01:59.47 | Sveta | yes, if you set your window manager to use the key as a shortcut |
| 02:00.03 | Sveta | will, what desktop environment are you using ? |
| 02:00.12 | Sveta | xfce ? gnome ? kde ? lxqt ? |
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| 02:01.06 | will | Sveta, cinnamon |
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| 02:06.32 | Sveta | will: i don't have it but the web says ``Menu->System Settings->Keyboard->Keyboard Shortcuts. On the bottom you will see a "Add custom shortcut".`` |
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| 02:12.48 | Sveta | will: any good? |
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| 02:13.02 | will | Sveta, i dont know what process to link it to |
| 02:13.11 | Sveta | scrot |
| 02:13.40 | Sveta | install the package, i think it's usually not built-in. command 'scrot' takes screenshot of current window and puts it into ~/`date`.png or similar |
| 02:14.01 | will | oh i need something that takes the entire screen |
| 02:14.20 | uxfi | hello freinds |
| 02:14.37 | Sveta | will, also the web says `Cinnamon screenshot and recording shortcuts are in Settings -> Hardware -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> System. ` |
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| 02:14.55 | Sveta | will, sorry, i lied, scrot takes screenshot of entire screen |
| 02:15.01 | will | i just got a warning that my PrtSc button is currently in use by "Take a screenshot" |
| 02:15.17 | will | when itry to paste somewhere it doesnt paste |
| 02:15.35 | will | thats what leads me to believe its not taking a shot |
| 02:16.15 | will | oohh |
| 02:16.17 | will | fixed it |
| 02:16.31 | will | the default shortcut was shift+PrtSc |
| 02:16.40 | will | odd. |
| 02:16.45 | Sveta | okay. sorry for the confusion, i only got it right on second try. |
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| 02:48.26 | Storgance | I can't put up wireless with ip link because of "rf-kill," but rfkill list doesn't even show the wireless. I know that the wireless is enabled and that I have the right driver....what's happening? |
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| 02:59.25 | JohnnnyyySmash | How do i do a force shutdown on debian through the cli |
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| 03:00.25 | dvs | JohnnnyyySmash, you answered your own question: shutdown -h now |
| 03:00.28 | gerforce | JohnnnyyySmash: sudo shutdown -h now |
| 03:00.47 | dvs | gerforce, liar! ;-) |
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| 03:02.24 | gerforce | dvs: :) |
| 03:03.18 | JohnnnyyySmash | gerforce is there a way to run that from a hotkey with no password? |
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| 03:05.30 | themill | gksudo and configure sudo to permit it |
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| 03:09.21 | prologic | Q: How do I debug/fix a debian 9 (stretch) system that doesn't bring its vmbr0 interface up despite all the proper /etc/network/interfaces stanzas like auto vmbr0 and iface vmbr0 ... with proper bridge configs? |
| 03:09.40 | gerforce | JohnnnyyySmash: You shoud edit the sudoers file to make using sudo without password. |
| 03:09.40 | themill | JohnnnyyySmash: there will also be some fancy loginctl or dbus based way of doing it that knows that you're the logged in user and that by policy you're allowed to shutdown without a password |
| 03:10.12 | prologic | my /etc/network/interfaces config = https://gist.github.com/prologic/6f58c1e82dc24eef4ecb52b0e8ce6837 |
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| 03:17.45 | LeelooMinai_ | dpkg-query shows the file as installed by the telegraf package. |
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| 03:42.16 | ryouma | there seem to be few dictionaries for stardict in jessie. are there more in stretch, or more online? |
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| 03:59.43 | JohnnnyyySmash | What would cause a fresh install of debian with fde to only be able to stream 480 video and lag while it does my web browser starts freezing? |
| 04:00.48 | abff | hardware dying? |
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| 04:58.57 | tw | I'd guess thermal issues. |
| 04:59.12 | tw | or barring that, bad video drivers. |
| 04:59.41 | cef | I'd be guessing bad video drivers.. if it's using framebuffer drivers there' |
| 04:59.48 | cef | s zero acceleration |
| 05:00.16 | tw | Even intel integrated performs reasonably well these days... |
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| 05:00.41 | cef | tw: depends on the kernel and the hardware (I use intel integrated fwiw). |
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| 05:03.35 | cef | tho admittedly, this box is an i7-7700 cpu, so the built in video is fairly new (HD 630). |
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| 05:09.09 | tw | from raw numbers, I don't expect that to be too much more performant than the hd 4400 graphics in my i7-4500u. Maybe twice as good. |
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| 06:23.50 | Saler78 | !list |
| 06:23.50 | dpkg | saler78: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 06:24.31 | alechko | hey all, I'm on jessie and openbox, using tint2, I have issues with some apps icons missing, such as Trello, MavensMate, Slack, I've tried multiple possible solutions as adding the icons to ~/.local/share/icons/highcolor, but even after reboot there's no icons for the apps. It looks like this https://imgur.com/i8I7gOH |
| 06:25.48 | alechko | anyone could point me in the correct direction on how to set icons the proper way? |
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| 06:35.46 | pingfloyd | you need to create .desktop files |
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| 06:38.14 | alechko | did that, all in ~/.local/share/applications, I use them for tint2 launcher |
| 06:39.42 | gnugr | alechko: read this https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox, and check in iDesk section for idesk pkg |
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| 06:51.10 | alechko | not sure that this method is working, created some files, ran idesk, nothing happend with the taskbar icons |
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| 07:00.04 | in1t3r | morning |
| 07:00.09 | in1t3r | o/ jelly |
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| 07:03.00 | in1t3r | Totaly agree with your view on systemd _systemd_is_evil |
| 07:03.37 | alechko | @gnugr yeah, idesk did nothing, I don't see the icons on the desktop either |
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| 07:06.54 | klys | echo _systemd_is_evil | sed -e "s/^_//" |
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| 07:08.17 | alechko | so to clarify, I have .desktop files set up in ~/.local/share/applications, and I use the as app launchers in tint2rc, for example, launcher_item_app = /home/user/.local/share/applications/Trello.desktop, the launcher shows the icon perfectly, but the app itself missing the icon, and it looks like this https://imgur.com/HiZQ3vo |
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| 07:18.43 | mdroid | Iknow there is no repo but if you guys know of an uptodate source that I can compile from it would help me a lot. |
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| 07:35.41 | sIRwa2 | hi, im installing debian, i went into the console mid install, but how do i exit it? crt alt F7 didnt do anything, maybe because im on a macbook? |
| 07:36.27 | AndreasLutro | ctrl+alt+F1 should bring you back to the "main" screen where the installer is located, so to speak |
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| 07:36.46 | klys | try alt+left/right |
| 07:36.55 | sIRwa2 | wow tnx |
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| 07:37.07 | sIRwa2 | F1 worked.. |
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| 07:52.32 | sIRwa2 | hm, im trying to install on esxi, but get a debootstrap error when installing the base system. |
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| 07:53.39 | tdn | What password manager do you use in Debian? |
| 07:54.19 | sIRwa2 | oke.. it halted on sysvinit-utils but its continuing installation |
| 07:54.25 | sIRwa2 | default |
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| 08:00.24 | babilen | tdn: keepassxc |
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| 08:02.15 | babilen | (not in Debian at the moment) |
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| 08:03.40 | AndreasLutro | ditto for keepassxc, you can download the AppImage which is a self-contained binary with all the dependencies |
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| 08:10.47 | tdn | babilen, I would prefer something that is in debian. Or at least completely free. This is a critical piece of software that really needs to be trusted. |
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| 08:11.21 | AndreasLutro | is keepassxc not free? |
| 08:11.48 | tdn | AndreasLutro, I have no idea. It is just if I only use something that is included with debian I mostly do not have to think about that |
| 08:12.05 | tdn | AndreasLutro, because being in debian means it is free and also (usually) maintained |
| 08:12.29 | babilen | tdn: You can use keepassx which *is* in Debian, but I prefer the fork as it is actually maintained |
| 08:12.35 | AndreasLutro | right. debian does ship with keepass2 and keepassx which are compatible, but you may find that they are somewhat out of date and don't work as well as keepassxc |
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| 08:12.49 | tdn | babilen, oh, ok. |
| 08:13.00 | babilen | https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc |
| 08:13.08 | AndreasLutro | the idea that "it's in debian therefore it's well maintained" is not a universally true statement |
| 08:13.09 | tdn | What about passwordsafe? This is the one from Bruce Schneier, right? It seems to be included in debian. |
| 08:13.31 | tdn | AndreasLutro, hence my "(usually)" |
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| 08:14.03 | babilen | AndreasLutro: And even if the package is well maintained, if upstream's not doing anything there's little for Debian to do |
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| 08:14.46 | AndreasLutro | indeed, or if upstream works in ways that aren't easily backportable |
| 08:15.52 | iderik | Is there any package that can unpack/decompress file with "any" format (zip, rar, 7z, etc)? i mean, a universal tool |
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| 08:18.03 | babilen | judd: info atool |
| 08:18.04 | judd | Package atool (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: tool for managing file archives of various types. Version: 0.39.0-5; Size: 41.1k; Installed: 139k; Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/atool/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/atool |
| 08:18.10 | babilen | iderik: ^ comes to mind |
| 08:18.33 | babilen | But that calls other tools so doesn't do everything on its own |
| 08:18.46 | towo^work | i allways prefer unp |
| 08:18.57 | towo^work | it even calls the other tools |
| 08:21.00 | vlt | OpenSSH's RNG was also "in Debian" ;-) |
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| 08:22.46 | iderik | babilen: thanks :) yeah, thats good. we dont want to end up like windows; creating millions of tools with tiny differences |
| 08:23.50 | babilen | tdn: unp is great too |
| 08:23.56 | babilen | ENICK |
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| 08:34.19 | simbalion | Is it possible to give one service priority over all others? I'd like to prioritize my web server so it doesn't get slowed down by ClamAV when new emails come in |
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| 08:34.54 | petemc | priority to what? network? cpu? |
| 08:35.09 | simbalion | well, CPU but all resources would be best |
| 08:35.22 | slax0r | simbalion: check out niceness levels in systemd services |
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| 08:35.57 | simbalion | slax0r: thanks |
| 08:36.29 | AndChat181649 | people say "debian sucks the nsa's dick". is that true? |
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| 08:36.41 | slax0r | people also say the world is flat |
| 08:36.43 | slax0r | is that true? |
| 08:36.49 | slax0r | some people* |
| 08:36.51 | AndChat181649 | lol. |
| 08:37.01 | slax0r | s/world/earth |
| 08:37.14 | AndChat181649 | those people are just the definition of retardation. |
| 08:37.32 | slax0r | ditto |
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| 08:38.26 | vlt | slax0r: Yes, that is true. |
| 08:39.30 | AndChat181649 | is dwm a shit DE? |
| 08:40.00 | digdilem | i'd suggest the authors of dwm would say not |
| 08:40.11 | AndChat181649 | also, what DE would you recommend? |
| 08:40.15 | Stummi | "it depends" |
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| 08:40.29 | petn-randall | simbalion: You can use "nice" and "ionice" to set the priority of those processes lower, check out their man pages. |
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| 08:40.54 | AndChat181649 | will do, thanks. |
| 08:40.55 | petn-randall | AndChat181649: DEs are like cars, depends on your use case. |
| 08:41.06 | Stummi | AndChat181649, what are you looking for? Tiling WMs? Minimalistic ones? "User friendly" as in replicating Windows or OSX usability? |
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| 08:41.19 | AndChat181649 | yes. tiling wms. |
| 08:41.34 | digdilem | AndChat181649, i like xfce, but it's such a personal question that you need to try some for yourself and see what fits |
| 08:41.43 | Stummi | AndChat181649, try awesome or i3 |
| 08:42.00 | bezaban | or xmonad if you prefer doing all the configuration in haskell |
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| 08:42.21 | Stummi | dwm is fine, if you don't bother compiling it yourself (since you configure it in source) |
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| 08:42.47 | babilen | still misses wmii |
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| 08:43.39 | petn-randall | misses fvwm95. |
| 08:44.02 | bezaban | doesn't miss windowmaker |
| 08:44.30 | AndChat181649 | do you guys agree that gnome sucks ass? |
| 08:44.53 | bezaban | must say I've missed that feature |
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| 08:45.21 | jelly | AndChat181649: how old are you, 12? |
| 08:45.25 | petn-randall | AndChat181649: Please try to keep it a little family-friendly in here. |
| 08:45.46 | AndChat181649 | I'm 20. |
| 08:45.51 | AndChat181649 | And I was joking. |
| 08:46.01 | AndChat181649 | Sorry. |
| 08:46.01 | jelly | displeasure with a piece of software can be written in many ways |
| 08:46.59 | jelly | so: no, dwm is not a shit DE, because it's not a DE at all, a window manager is just one component of a DE |
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| 08:48.39 | AndChat181649 | thanks for your answers. |
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| 08:51.38 | rotaticus | i would have said something very colourful ... thanks for stopping me ;) |
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| 08:55.55 | simbalion | petn-randall: Thanks I am learning about niceness |
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| 09:01.03 | simbalion | Thanks for your help guys, I set Nice=-15 on nginx and php7.0-fpm and Nice=-10 on mysqld, amavisd-new is at 0, and that has improved my page load times from 10s to 2.5s. I much appreciate the help |
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| 09:14.01 | petn-randall | simbalion: I'd rather put the nice and ionice of amavis to 15 instead. nice below 0 is a little dangerous, as a misbehaving process could tie up all CPU to the point that the system gets unresponsive. |
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| 09:16.50 | JohnnnyyySmash | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.50 | JohnnnyyySmash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:17.40 | JohnnnyyySmash | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.10 | JohnnnyyySmash | What would cause top to report back crazy high cpu usage like that ? |
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| 09:19.13 | bolt_ | JohnnnyyySmash: animations? |
| 09:19.17 | SuperSeriousCat | Many tabs open and one of the sites got bad JS code running maybe |
| 09:19.18 | petn-randall | JohnnnyyySmash: I wouldn't consider that crazy high. Normal usage? |
| 09:19.21 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, do you have flashplayer installed? |
| 09:19.40 | ForceRecon | what does alt-f2 do in debian? What commands can you run there? |
| 09:19.44 | bolt_ | web browsing is pretty much heavier than AAA games at the moment... |
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| 09:20.08 | bolt_ | ForceRecon: it would generally switch to TTY2, a regular console |
| 09:20.20 | JohnnnyyySmash | 111% cpu usage ? |
| 09:20.23 | bolt | ForceRecon: you can run whatever you like there |
| 09:20.38 | petn-randall | JohnnnyyySmash: it's called multithreading. |
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| 09:20.55 | JohnnnyyySmash | cruncher: nope this is a brand new install of debian so what ever debian comes with is what i have |
| 09:21.00 | bolt | JohnnnyyySmash: you may want to look at pressing shift+I, for something you're more used to |
| 09:21.24 | dmkeast | bolt: the little popup dialog in gnome? 'r' will reload the desktop config |
| 09:21.28 | JohnnnyyySmash | petn-randall: this thing runs slow on rubuntu it was fast why would debian be worse? |
| 09:21.40 | bolt | dmkeast: ? |
| 09:22.05 | dmkeast | oops. that was for ForceRecon bolt . sorry |
| 09:22.13 | bolt | dmkeast: i was referring to the default shortcut for turning off irix mode in top :) |
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| 09:23.02 | dmkeast | ah yeah. i meant about the alt+f2 command in gnome |
| 09:23.21 | bolt | JohnnnyyySmash: close your browser tabs until the cpu usage goes down |
| 09:23.35 | Rico | hello |
| 09:23.35 | bolt | JohnnnyyySmash: that'll tell you which one is doing mean stuff |
| 09:24.18 | JohnnnyyySmash | bolt: its youtube doing it |
| 09:24.26 | JohnnnyyySmash | a live stream |
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| 09:27.49 | ForceRecon | wow that was fun |
| 09:28.01 | ForceRecon | ctrl-alt-f2 gets you to a login.. |
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| 09:28.28 | ForceRecon | I got to see the bluetooth error from boot |
| 09:28.30 | ForceRecon | thanks |
| 09:28.56 | bolt | if only everyone else were that easy to entertain :) |
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| 09:29.21 | ForceRecon | !next |
| 09:29.21 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:29.58 | ForceRecon | is there a way to get back to your current gui interface once you push that |
| 09:30.17 | bolt | it's usually on console 7 or 8 |
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| 09:32.34 | ForceRecon | wow.. I did not realize you can have many virtual consoles.. thanks for that key word |
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| 09:36.08 | ForceRecon | do mac users utilize the same commands as in linux? - http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-tips-every-geek-should-know |
| 09:37.14 | JohnnnyyySmash | cruncher: if i try to copy my /boot to a new thumb drive can my box boot from that thumb drive? |
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| 09:37.37 | ForceRecon | its amazing once you start to learn linux how dumbed down windows really is.. You basically do nothing in windows other than point and click.. I started with dos, novell etc.. so linux is not a big stretch but learning everything you can do without knowing what you can do is the hard part |
| 09:38.41 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, no, not just by copying |
| 09:38.46 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick#Installing_GRUB_on_the_USB_Stick |
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| 09:41.50 | ForceRecon | Where can I learn about proprietary drivers for linux.. let's say I wanted to install a multi function printer, scan, fax, print, whatever.. if it prints but I can't get the fax or scanner to work in linux.. where do you go to get the driver, firmware or even know how to potentially fix it |
| 09:42.13 | JohnnnyyySmash | cruncher after i get this usb working its ok to shred the /boot so the box cant be booted without it? |
| 09:42.36 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, if by "its ok" you mean if its possible, yes |
| 09:42.49 | JohnnnyyySmash | cruncher: is there anyway to stop an efi rootkit from working? |
| 09:43.03 | RoyK | ForceRecon: usually those MFPs are network connected, which saves you a lot of trouble |
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| 09:44.03 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, best by removing it? |
| 09:44.58 | petn-randall | JohnnnyyySmash: Do you suspect you have a EFI rootkit on your system? |
| 09:45.12 | JohnnnyyySmash | petn-randall: most likely i do |
| 09:45.43 | petn-randall | JohnnnyyySmash: What symptoms are you seeing? |
| 09:45.45 | cruncher | JohnnnyyySmash, why you think so? |
| 09:46.30 | rotaticus | back it up |
| 09:46.35 | JohnnnyyySmash | nothing but the fed indictment i got slapped with i figure they have to have some way to keep the malware persistant on me |
| 09:47.17 | petn-randall | JohnnnyyySmash: Are you running Kali? |
| 09:47.26 | JohnnnyyySmash | petn-randall: nope debian |
| 09:47.49 | cruncher | imo, that is a huge leap from a "fed indictment" to an efi rootkit |
| 09:48.05 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 09:48.05 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 09:48.25 | JohnnnyyySmash | cruncher: well it was a huge jump in my mind for them to send my crao to quantico but they did |
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| 09:50.38 | oo_miguel | is the naming of sd{a,b,c,d,..} consistent over reboots? |
| 09:50.50 | cruncher | oo_miguel, no |
| 09:50.59 | oo_miguel | cruncher: ok thank you |
| 09:51.02 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: no, it's not 100% consistent. |
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| 09:51.29 | cruncher | oo_miguel, use UUID instead |
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| 09:57.54 | TandyUK | installing debian 8.8 on a hp blade, the netinst asked me to provide the firmware for (i think) bcm43. |
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| 09:58.29 | TandyUK | having not given that firmware, completed the install, and added "non-free contrib" to my apt sources.list, its not pulling in the firmware for that device |
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| 09:58.45 | TandyUK | how do i get a list of what devicesi n the system do not have their firmware loaded? |
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| 09:59.13 | g0zzy | Is it just me or do others find that watch -g is far from reliable? |
| 09:59.24 | cruncher | TandyUK, just do dmesg | grep -i firmware, it will show you which firmware files it wanted |
| 09:59.31 | cruncher | then you can search for the packages that contain them |
| 09:59.50 | blackflow | TandyUK: apt search --names-only firmware- and see which packages might apply to your hardware, in addition to what cruncher said |
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| 10:02.19 | ForceRecon | does debian-offtopic exist |
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| 10:02.27 | cruncher | ForceRecon, yes |
| 10:02.34 | ForceRecon | the channel message has a period in it |
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| 10:03.31 | ForceRecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | ForceRecon | whoops |
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| 10:09.05 | g0zzy | finds that the main problem with watch -g is false positives |
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| 10:15.24 | g0zzy | What do you guys do about this? I find myself having to write looping scripts |
| 10:15.51 | ForceRecon | http://tuxtweaks.com/2013/12/linux-watch-command/ |
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| 10:16.56 | petn-randall | g0zzy: I hardly use watch -g for scripting. Usually a bash loop works better. |
| 10:17.05 | petn-randall | s/hardly/never/ |
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| 10:17.12 | ForceRecon | I only know what I read.. never implemented on my part.. just something I was reading when you posted |
| 10:17.43 | g0zzy | So it _isn't_ just me then ;) |
| 10:18.51 | cruncher | g0zzy, why "isnt just me"? its an intended feature, it exits when output changes |
| 10:19.34 | g0zzy | I mean, if it worked reliably, then the likes of me and petn-randall wouldn't have to reinvent it |
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| 10:19.52 | cruncher | g0zzy, it works reliably. Or did you find a bug? |
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| 10:22.29 | g0zzy | This was the latest failure: though maybe my command is wrong: watch -n 60 -g wget -O - http://halosports.co.uk 2>/dev/null | grep -q patience;cow |
| 10:22.40 | g0zzy | ('cow' is an alarm) |
| 10:22.48 | TandyUK | hmm, how do i go about making user crontabs support @reboot on debian (8.8)? |
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| 10:23.37 | g0zzy | That watch never exited even when the grep finally succeeded manually. |
| 10:23.44 | TandyUK | or can i use that in /etc/crontab with the correct username? |
| 10:24.54 | g0zzy | assumes that everything up to ';' should be executed by watch |
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| 11:00.47 | OS-10868 | hellp |
| 11:00.51 | OS-10868 | hello |
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| 11:02.51 | OS-10868 | hello |
| 11:03.02 | petn-randall | OS-10868: Do you need help? |
| 11:03.13 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 11:03.13 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 11:03.14 | OS-10868 | yes is this the offsec channel |
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| 11:04.55 | cruncher | petn-randall smells kali miles away... ;-) |
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| 11:07.51 | OS-10868 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.23 | petn-randall | OS-10868: No, this is #debian. Connect to the correct channel. I recommend trying #kali-linux. |
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| 11:10.47 | petn-randall | cruncher: OS-[0-9]+ as nick is a dead giveaway. |
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| 11:11.04 | petn-randall | OS-10868: Who sent you, btw? |
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| 11:36.41 | |N| | ,v glibc |
| 11:36.42 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64. |
| 11:36.46 | |N| | ,v glibc-dev |
| 11:36.47 | judd | No package named 'glibc-dev' was found in amd64. |
| 11:37.02 | |N| | whats the glibc package on stretch? |
| 11:37.32 | |N| | ok |
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| 11:37.43 | |N| | how do i reinstall glibc on stretch? |
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| 11:38.32 | towo^work | why? |
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| 11:39.15 | |N| | my code gives error with glibc...also the one i downloaded didnt hav the correct signature |
| 11:40.15 | towo^work | glibc aka libc6 is an essential package, you can't simple reinstall it, but try apt install libc6 --reinstall |
| 11:40.28 | towo^work | i don't think it would help on your "problem" |
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| 11:40.44 | |N| | ok ill try |
| 11:41.44 | jelly | |N|: what kind of code, what kind of error? |
| 11:41.46 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:41.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:41.57 | |N| | hwo will i redownload the deb file? |
| 11:42.13 | |N| | http://paste.debian.net/984731/ |
| 11:42.19 | |N| | line 16 onwards |
| 11:42.44 | jelly | |N|: and that's an output of which command? |
| 11:42.59 | TeslasMHD | greets everyone. |
| 11:43.00 | |N| | nm -C -g mysolib.so |
| 11:43.23 | jelly | |N|: what does "ldd mysolib.so" say |
| 11:43.28 | |N| | jelly: any idea why thts happpening? |
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| 11:43.43 | CuteMeOwnThroat | no, because you haven't told us |
| 11:43.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | we're also still puzzeling about "the one i downloaded didnt hav the correct signature" |
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| 11:44.31 | |N| | http://paste.debian.net/984742/ |
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| 11:44.41 | dstensnes | |N|: what were you trying to accomplish really? |
| 11:44.49 | |N| | its my bot |
| 11:44.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | but sounds a bit like you just got some runtimelibrary that wasn't compiled for stretch and now wonder why it doesn't work |
| 11:45.00 | jelly | |N|: do you have the source code? |
| 11:45.03 | |N| | i get a segfault while loading tht so file |
| 11:45.07 | |N| | yeah |
| 11:45.09 | jelly | rebuild it. |
| 11:45.14 | |N| | i did |
| 11:45.20 | dstensnes | but not on stretch? |
| 11:45.29 | |N| | jelly: is there anything wrong with tht so file |
| 11:45.46 | jelly | |N|: hard to say, I've never looked at nm directly |
| 11:45.47 | |N| | ok |
| 11:45.55 | |N| | ill try rebuilding |
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| 11:49.27 | |N| | jelly: still getting those undefined symbols |
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| 11:50.09 | ForceRecon | okay I need a moment.. I just installed snapd and then I installed termius-app,. I uninstalled termius-app and the uninstall snap.. err the issue.. |
| 11:50.18 | ForceRecon | what is snap vs snapd and do I need snap |
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| 11:57.52 | ForceRecon | https://paste.debian.net/984745/ |
| 11:58.01 | ForceRecon | what is the difference |
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| 11:58.39 | beo | hello, how do i upgrade from jessie-backports to stretch? |
| 12:01.15 | jelly | beo: follow the jessie->stretch procedure from stretch release notes. |
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| 12:01.31 | beo | ok |
| 12:01.33 | jelly | one of the steps is temporarily disabling backports repo. |
| 12:01.40 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 12:01.40 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 12:01.49 | jelly | dpkg, stretch release notes |
| 12:01.49 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
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| 12:14.17 | tdn | Did anything change to dhcpd in Debian 9 in the way dhcpd gives out search suffix for DNS? Since I upgraded my dhcp server to debian 9, clients do not get a new dns "search" suffix added to their resolv.conf. How to fix this? |
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| 12:22.10 | petn-randall | tdn: which dhcp server are you running? |
| 12:23.39 | tdn | petn-randall, isc |
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| 12:23.51 | tdn | Was not aware there were more than one :) |
| 12:24.13 | tdn | isc-dhcp-server |
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| 12:29.28 | OS-31224 | A |
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| 12:33.07 | petn-randall | tdn: I'd use wireshark to decode what the dhcp client is asking for, and what the server is sending. |
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| 12:39.29 | tw | I think there are at least 3 dhcp servers in debian (isc, udhcpd, dnsmasq). Not including radvd, etc. |
| 12:39.44 | tw | (sort of off-topic) |
| 12:39.48 | petn-randall | Probably more. |
| 12:40.09 | tw | very likely |
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| 13:09.52 | sIRwa2 | is there a quick command to get my local ip? like ifconfig -a |
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| 13:11.27 | RoyK | sIRwa2: ip a |
| 13:12.30 | sIRwa2 | damn, ALL linus commands are with - or â this is the first i seen it without tnx :) |
| 13:12.30 | RoyK | sIRwa2: ifconfig isn't in by default anymore, but can be installed, apt install net-tools |
| 13:12.41 | sIRwa2 | yhea. i saw that. |
| 13:12.47 | sIRwa2 | tnx |
| 13:12.52 | beo | where can i find default sshd_config file on debian stretch? |
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| 13:12.58 | RoyK | ip a is short for "ip address list" |
| 13:13.09 | sIRwa2 | beo: /etc/ssh/ |
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| 13:14.51 | beo | sIRwa2: i upgraded keeping the modified version |
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| 13:15.53 | lhx_ | hi |
| 13:16.13 | lhx_ | hello |
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| 13:22.09 | RoyK | !next |
| 13:22.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:26.28 | rdz | hey all. how can i identify packages that are still installed but are not in the repo anymore? |
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| 13:27.07 | rdz | for instance: denyhosts: after upgrading to jessie, it is still installed, but jessie doesn't provide a denyhost package |
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| 13:28.20 | RoyK | rdz: not sure if there's a good way to do it - as for denyhosts, I miss it⦠|
| 13:28.30 | RoyK | but then, it isn't developed anymore |
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| 13:29.18 | rdz | RoyK, i'd rather not run unmaintained software unknowingly |
| 13:29.47 | RoyK | my point exactly |
| 13:30.03 | iticus | rdz, aptitude search '~o' |
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| 13:30.39 | rdz | iticus, thanks.. i'll try |
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| 13:47.19 | john_rambo | When I click on pulseaudio volume control I see this >>> https://ibb.co/bVzWoa ..How to fix this ? |
| 13:48.08 | tdn | petn-randall, I am not really sure how to do that. But I have set "option domain-search" in my subnet in dhcpd.conf and it has worked fine until now. Not sure why it stopped. And if it stoped, wireshark will not really tell me why either... |
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| 13:49.06 | rdz | john_rambo, i'm no pulse guru, but it seems there is no pulseaudio server running (or Volume Control cannot find it) |
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| 13:49.30 | rdz | john_rambo, i'd try starting pulse server from cmd: pulseaudio --start |
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| 13:50.29 | john_rambo | rdz, # pulseaudio --start |
| 13:50.29 | john_rambo | bash: pulseaudio: command not found |
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| 13:51.19 | rdz | john_rambo, do you have the package pulseaudio installed? |
| 13:51.30 | rdz | john_rambo, sudo apt install pulseaudio |
| 13:51.44 | john_rambo | rdz, Running that atm |
| 13:53.42 | john_rambo | rdz, That solved it. Thanks |
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| 13:54.24 | rdz | ah.. already gone |
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| 14:00.30 | sIRwa2 | guyâs, on a new install, i get E: Unable to locate package zfs-dkms when i do a apt-get install zfs-dkms |
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| 14:00.59 | babilen | contrib configured? |
| 14:01.04 | jolt | sIRwa2: Do you have the contrib part configured? |
| 14:01.13 | jolt | babilen: Damn you're fast! |
| 14:01.17 | petn-randall | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 14:01.19 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1 |
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| 14:01.30 | petn-randall | jolt: babilen cheated by only typing to words ;) |
| 14:01.40 | jolt | petn-randall: :D |
| 14:01.45 | sIRwa2 | contrib is new for me :) |
| 14:02.13 | jolt | petn-randall: I defer to you then to have some fancy command for judd to explain how to add it |
| 14:02.21 | babilen | sIRwa2: Edit your sources.list and ensure that entries in there end in "main contrib" or "main contrib non-free" -- contrib is software that is free itself, but relies on non-free software to function |
| 14:02.29 | babilen | dpkg: contrib |
| 14:02.30 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 14:03.37 | ZetFury | Anyone else noticed fstab sometimes not mounting cifs at start in debian 9 stretch? |
| 14:03.49 | sIRwa2 | tnx guyâs ill get on that |
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| 14:18.05 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, factinfo frankendebian |
| 14:18.06 | dpkg | frankendebian -- created by ompaul <~ompaul@109.76.218.147> at Sat Sep 24 20:14:09 2011 (2173 days); last modified at Sun Sep 25 08:55:31 2011 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 755 times, last by grove, 1d 5h 8m 36s ago. |
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| 14:18.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, factinfo mixing |
| 14:18.21 | dpkg | mixing -- created by CutMeOwnThroat <~k@unaffiliated/iridos> at Wed Nov 24 19:45:49 2010 (2477 days); last modified at Mon Jul 4 13:33:10 2016 by Iridos!~iridos@unaffiliated/iridos; it has been requested 65 times, last by n4dir at Tue Jan 17 13:56:44 2017. |
| 14:18.32 | CuteMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 14:19.31 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, factinfo ask |
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| 14:20.40 | darxmurf | huh, NIS in stretch still returns this error when a user tries to change it's password ?? passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
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| 14:20.49 | darxmurf | is there something to do to fix that ? |
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| 14:24.55 | Nexiu | Hello. I have bought cloud server with debian, but now i got only terminal access. I do apt-get install gnome but how can I access to gui when it finish install? |
| 14:25.02 | darxmurf | sorry my fault apparently it's ok with yppasswd |
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| 14:25.50 | petn-randall | Nexiu: Do you have graphical access to your cloud server? |
| 14:26.24 | Nexiu | From ovh manager? |
| 14:26.48 | Nexiu | I dont know atm, but guess that I habe |
| 14:26.56 | jolt | Nexiu: You could run VNC or something like that perhaps? |
| 14:27.08 | jolt | or X-forward |
| 14:28.32 | DieMoesch | Or X2Go |
| 14:29.00 | petn-randall | Nexiu: I'd expect it to be quite slow accessing gnome over the network. What do you want to do with that machine? |
| 14:29.51 | Nexiu | petn-randall I need to run simultaneously 8 android phone with Genymotion emulator. |
| 14:29.58 | Nexiu | On my own pc I can run 4 |
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| 14:30.04 | Nexiu | but I need 8 |
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| 14:34.53 | ksk | sounds legit ;) |
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| 14:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | darxmurf: iirc there's a way to alias that. |
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| 14:46.30 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 14:46.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc7-686-pae (4.13~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: |
| 14:46.33 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
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| 14:47.24 | CrazyTux | is lxqt de stable enough to be used by a beginner? is it as stable as lxde? |
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| 15:23.10 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v lxqt |
| 15:23.11 | judd | Package: lxqt on amd64 -- stretch: 13; buster: 19; sid: 19 |
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| 15:28.59 | gnat_x | so i seem to be getting caught with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=849845 but i'm confused, since it appears that it should be fixed in the package versions i'm running. |
| 15:29.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/849845 in tor (closed, upstream, patch): «dirmngr: Can't resolve keyserver hostname anymore»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-01-01; last modified: 2017-08-05. |
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| 15:37.38 | jelly | gnat_x: which versions of tor, gnupg2 and dirmngr do you have installed? |
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| 16:09.08 | ssarah | hei hei, is there a good debian server guide. Something that recommends steps and stuff (like security) you should do post install? And system audits and the standard way to create services? |
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| 16:09.19 | ssarah | I'm reading the ubuntu server guide as an alternative right now |
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| 16:11.59 | petn-randall | !debian handbook |
| 16:12.00 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 16:12.03 | petn-randall | ssarah: ^^^ |
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| 16:26.48 | jhutchins_wk | The System Administrator's Guide at TLDP is a bit dated and RedHatish, but has some good basics. |
| 16:26.52 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 16:31.46 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: This is also a bit out of date but still good concepts: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
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| 16:32.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | let us know when you figured out what to do securitywise after an install ^^ |
| 16:33.35 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: wow, did you find a piece of TLDP that's less that 15 years old? |
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| 16:33.52 | jelly | (or that has had an update since 2005) |
| 16:33.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | he did say "a bit outdated" ^^ |
| 16:33.59 | sIRwa2 | is ssh out of the box sftp enabled in stretch? i feel like im missing a step, can log in |
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| 16:34.21 | jelly | sIRwa2: yes. Did you mean "cannot log in" |
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| 16:34.47 | sIRwa2 | connection refused in filezilla :/ |
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| 16:35.43 | jelly | sIRwa2: make sure openssh-server package is installed, first; then verify network connectivity to port 22/tcp |
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| 16:36.28 | sIRwa2 | even when i am already using ssh atm? jelly ? |
| 16:37.13 | jelly | sIRwa2: using ssh client locally on the same machine? Yes. |
| 16:37.35 | sIRwa2 | no.. remote machine in lan |
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| 16:38.48 | jelly | sIRwa2: so you have a remote debian system, and you're able to connect to it using an ssh client, but you're unable to connect to sftp protocol with filezilla from the same client host? |
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| 16:39.19 | sIRwa2 | correct :) |
| 16:39.33 | jelly | sIRwa2: which OS on the client host? |
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| 16:40.19 | sIRwa2 | macos.. used to do it fine,.. to day installed a vm with stretch |
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| 16:40.50 | jelly | sIRwa2: do you have an "sftp" CLI command there? Try using that. |
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| 16:41.19 | sIRwa2 | yhea. didnt try that yet |
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| 16:42.04 | jelly | give it the same options as you did for ssh |
| 16:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | There is some confusion, "sftp" is used for both file transfer over ssh and for ssl secured ftp. |
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| 16:42.56 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: TLS capable ftp ought to use "FTPS" or "ftps" not "sftp" |
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| 16:43.11 | koeppea | The difference is SFTP=FTP through SSH and FTPS=TLS secured FTP |
| 16:43.14 | koeppea | correct |
| 16:43.25 | jelly | koeppea: no, sftp is a completely different protocol |
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| 16:44.09 | jelly | (that does similar things, but a different protocol nevertheless) |
| 16:45.01 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Agreed, but not consistent. |
| 16:45.44 | jelly | if anyone does that they're idiots, sftp probably existed before ftp gained ssl or tls |
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| 16:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: The supply of idiots seems to be fairly constant. |
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| 16:46.25 | jelly | that's a relief |
| 16:46.37 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: It tends to happen more in Windows file transfer programs. |
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| 16:47.36 | jhutchins_wk | Windows doesn't have native ssh, so they tend to be ignorant of it. |
| 16:47.50 | ssarah | Right now I'm using Lynis for security audits |
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| 16:49.45 | ssarah | ty guys :) |
| 16:50.07 | jelly | !debsecan |
| 16:50.07 | dpkg | debsecan is probably a program that reports security advisories against programs installed on the host, similar to gentoo's glsa-check. See http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/. |
| 16:50.48 | jelly | ssarah: ^^ checks against debian's security database |
| 16:50.53 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 16:50.53 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 16:51.19 | n4dir | iirc: if there is anything "unusual" (from defaults) when it comes to the ssh-config file, when using filezilla the best was to create a .ssh/config file. That worked pretty straight forward. |
| 16:51.29 | n4dir | i didn't read the beginning of the actual problem though |
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| 16:52.01 | n4dir | i would also try either rsync or sshfs (to me both are more comfortable than sftp). |
| 16:52.21 | ssarah | holy crap, I just ran debsecan on my personal machine (unlike my servers it's ubuntu) and it listed like 300 exploits? the f. |
| 16:53.19 | ssarah | this is "normal" ? |
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| 16:54.33 | z3r01 | dont suppose anyone knows how to get the middlebutton scoll on a thinkpadx200 working in bunsenlabs? haha] |
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| 16:57.13 | jelly | !bunsenlabs |
| 16:57.13 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 16:57.20 | jelly | ah |
| 16:57.27 | magyar | hi, I'm my ethernet connection is greyed out the "Connect" button in network manager, why? |
| 16:57.49 | jelly | magyar: maybe you have an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:58.17 | sIRwa2 | tnx jelly, cli sftp login worked fine.. guess its client side :) |
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| 16:58.52 | magyar | jelly: nope, only lo interface |
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| 16:59.37 | jelly | magyar: anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ maybe? |
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| 17:00.02 | magyar | jelly: not a single file |
| 17:00.14 | jelly | then it's not ifupdown |
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| 17:00.49 | jelly | and I know very little about NetworkManager |
| 17:01.24 | jelly | perhaps it only enables the iface when a link is detected? |
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| 17:03.28 | magyar | jelly: not sure, it only enables me to connect if I bring the eth0 down |
| 17:03.54 | magyar | but each connection has a dedicated interface assigned to it |
| 17:04.05 | magyar | this NM is a pita from day one |
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| 17:07.41 | ssarah | hmm, so how do i solve this vulnerabilities found by debsecan? |
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| 17:09.30 | jelly | ssarah: wait until debian fixes them |
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| 17:09.42 | jelly | but at least now you're better informed |
| 17:09.55 | ssarah | oh wow |
| 17:10.19 | ssarah | CVE-2015-3290 linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (high urgency) <- i got a bunch of these on a server :X |
| 17:10.27 | jelly | assuming you keep the system patched up |
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| 17:10.47 | jelly | !cve lookup CVE-2015-3290 |
| 17:10.47 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2015-3290 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-3290 |
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| 17:11.12 | ssarah | should i consider upgrading the kernel? |
| 17:11.47 | magyar | jelly: I think I got it, it was set to un-managed in the NetworkManage.conf |
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| 17:12.05 | jelly | ssarah: if the version of linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 package is less than what that page says is fixed ^^ |
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| 17:13.48 | jelly | ssarah: and if you deem a local privilege escalation is relevant for your load. Who knows, maybe you run everything important as root already so it's a moot point? :-) |
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| 17:15.59 | jelly | ssarah: in general if there's a newer version of kernel package in stable or oldstable, there's good reason for that. Keeping your systems patched up is good practice |
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| 17:16.55 | ssarah | I see, actually i duno who does the dist-upgrades around here. |
| 17:17.16 | ssarah | I'm just auditing stuff sometimes, cause some machines are pretty old. |
| 17:17.28 | jelly | and who does testing so that dist-upgrades don't break anything |
| 17:17.51 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: As packages get older, more vulnerabilities tend to get found (and fixed). |
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| 17:19.31 | huwjr | hia - quick question not strictly debian related but figured you guys would know! registered panic notifier in messages⦠is that in itself a kernel panic? |
| 17:19.35 | jelly | ssarah: ir's usually safe to do an "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" (-s = --dry-run) and see just how many packages are unpatched |
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| 17:20.00 | jelly | huwjr: no |
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| 17:20.18 | huwjr | didnât think so. just wanted to be sure. whatâs it really saying then? |
| 17:20.40 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: Notice that while that vulnerability applies to all kernels prior to 4.1.6, in Debian it's fixed in 3.2.78-1 |
| 17:20.52 | jelly | huwjr: show the whole line |
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| 17:21.04 | huwjr | drm: registered panic notifier |
| 17:21.09 | huwjr | think itâs graphics related |
| 17:21.11 | huwjr | what isnât eh? :p |
| 17:21.25 | jelly | huwjr: which kernel version is this? |
| 17:21.34 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: ... or more relavant to you, 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 |
| 17:21.55 | huwjr | 3.2.0-4 |
| 17:22.22 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 17:22.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc7-686-pae (4.13~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: |
| 17:22.24 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 17:22.39 | jelly | 3.16.43-2+deb8u3 says the bot |
| 17:23.05 | jelly | is the latest |
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| 17:23.56 | jelly | huwjr: probably just the console framebuffer driver saying it's subscribed to, and will try to display a panic message should one ever happen |
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| 17:24.18 | jelly | huwjr: that's just me guessing wildly. |
| 17:24.37 | jelly | /var/log/kern.log.2.gz:Aug 21 11:40:35 burek kernel: [ 7.768106] i915 0000:00:02.0: registered panic notifier |
| 17:24.38 | huwjr | thanks, it seems to only be boot time so i was confident it was not a problem - though iâm remote and someone on site said it had no VGA out. |
| 17:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | huwjr: Have you tried just pasting the text into Google? |
| 17:25.04 | huwjr | yes thank you. |
| 17:25.12 | bs0d | Hello community. After login X server misinterprets my mouse clicks. Moving mouse moves windows, clicking something does not do anything. This is driving me crazy. |
| 17:25.24 | jelly | huwjr: maybe it has no VGA, but it sure seems to have a graphical card and Debian amusingly tries to load the relevant framebuffer support at boot when it can |
| 17:25.37 | bs0d | It is very hard to work in such a system. I run Debian inside a vm. Can this mouse problem be fixed somehow? |
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| 17:25.52 | jelly | huwjr: context of that line should provide clues |
| 17:26.11 | huwjr | youâve been a great help :) |
| 17:26.15 | huwjr | cheers |
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| 17:27.16 | jelly | bs0d: sounds as if the VM maybe thinks a key or mouse button is already pressed? Try pressing each modifier key once (Alt, Ctrl, Shift, Windows, Command, Control, what have you), and each mouse button once |
| 17:27.22 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: What virtualization? What host? What release of Debian? |
| 17:27.23 | annadane | bs0d, then it may be a vm problem rather than a debian problem, which one do you use? |
| 17:27.33 | jelly | bs0d: while VM "console" window is in focus |
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| 17:27.57 | jelly | pressing and releasing, of course |
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| 17:28.36 | jelly | Alt + Left mouse is often used by window managers to move windows |
| 17:28.49 | arpa | ssarah: debsecan doesn't seem very, eh useful. But you should definately patch regularily |
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| 17:29.26 | __martin__ | greetings folks; bit offtopic question.. why does "buster" have the same version of Mesa as "jessie" && "stretch"? that being 13 which is crashing down gnome-shell + client windows' decorations |
| 17:29.42 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:29.43 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 17.2.0-1 |
| 17:30.16 | arpa | just a sanity check, is anyone getting any useful output from debsecan? run it on two fully patched machines and it just seems to spit out lots of CVE numbers (511 of them) - many of which are not relevant to installed packages |
| 17:30.38 | jelly | __martin__: it takes time and bugs fixed for latest stuff from unstable to seep down to testing |
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| 17:31.09 | __martin__ | jelly: thank you, I'll remain patient (= |
| 17:31.17 | annadane | __martin__, for future reference testing/unstable questions go in #debian-next |
| 17:31.24 | jelly | __martin__: read these: /msg dpkg why is libgl1-mesa-dri not in testing, /msg dpkg debian-next |
| 17:31.40 | jelly | that channel is only present on irc.oftc.net, different network |
| 17:31.49 | annadane | oh, shit, freenode |
| 17:31.51 | __martin__ | ah |
| 17:31.54 | jelly | no, oftc |
| 17:31.58 | __martin__ | anyways |
| 17:32.02 | annadane | i get mixed up. yeah, it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:32.20 | annadane | jelly, no, i meant we're on freenode now, this is the trouble with being in both #debian channels |
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| 17:32.47 | jelly | annadane: that's why I only provide support in the larger of those two |
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| 17:33.27 | bs0d | jelly it is quite hard to do it, but I managed. It only switched the cursor to highlight mode, so whenever I use the mouse, the text in the console window is highlighted :( |
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| 17:33.55 | bs0d | annadane, jhutchins_wk I use Debian 9.0.0 amd64, and host is an outdated fedora 22 |
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| 17:34.34 | jelly | bs0d: if you only need X apps now and then, you might run them via ssh -X instead of the console |
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| 17:34.56 | bs0d | oh, I am sorry. I guess this is the problem on my host. I see the same weird behavior in fedora, and it reflected into debian vm |
| 17:35.19 | annadane | that's weird |
| 17:35.50 | bs0d | I restart the host, hope it helps |
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| 17:36.18 | jelly | bs0d: remote access stuff like vnc and rdp clients, and vbox/vmware/what have you consoles, can sometimes make X server confused |
| 17:36.38 | jelly | with their focus-stealing shenanigans |
| 17:36.52 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: O |
| 17:37.05 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: I have had that happen with bad hardware. |
| 17:37.25 | bs0d | jhutchins_wk do you know any fix for it? |
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| 17:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: Different USB port, different mouse. |
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| 17:38.24 | bs0d | hmm Fedora reports that Tracker Metadata Extractor crashed. May this be related? |
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| 17:40.02 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: -> #fedora |
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| 17:41.07 | bs0d | jhutchins_wk oh they will yell at me because of an outdated distro. I cannot afford an upgrade now |
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| 17:44.47 | jelly | and we'll yell at you if you keep asking Fedora questions in here |
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| 17:45.10 | jelly | so... ##linux? :-) |
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| 17:46.29 | pie3 | <pie3> how to view content of DVD from terminal? |
| 17:46.30 | pie3 | <pie3> i want to save video files stored in DVD in hard disk |
| 17:46.30 | pie3 | <pie3> i am unable to locate files in gui |
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| 17:51.42 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: You can try mounting it. If there is DRM that may make it difficult. |
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| 17:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: Simplest is dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/file.iso |
| 17:52.25 | pie3 | tell me some commands so that DVD contents can be listed jhu |
| 17:52.27 | pie3 | jhutchins_wk: |
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| 17:53.19 | jhutchins_wk | mount <device> <mount point> - <mount point> would likely be somethng within /mnt or /media |
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| 17:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | ls |
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| 17:53.31 | pie3 | i have unmounted from gui; how to mount it back in gui? jhutchins_wk |
| 17:53.36 | jhutchins_wk | ls <mount point> |
| 17:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: it's probably mounted at /media/pie3/<something> |
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| 17:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | The "mount" command used to be a handy way to find where it was mounted, but it's all full of system gunk now. |
| 17:56.27 | bs0d | jelly sorry for off-topic questions |
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| 17:59.05 | jelly | it was just that one question, but I wanted to preempt others |
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| 17:59.53 | jelly | "df" has slightly less... gunk |
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| 18:02.05 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: You probably should eject and reload the disk - that's easiest. |
| 18:02.11 | pie3 | ok |
| 18:02.15 | pie3 | i ejected and reload |
| 18:02.19 | pie3 | and now it is working |
| 18:02.22 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: To actually mount it you need to be root. |
| 18:02.45 | pie3 | how to back up the files from CD/DVD into hard disk? |
| 18:02.55 | pie3 | is back up and copy the same thing in this context? |
| 18:03.00 | pie3 | jhutchins_wk: |
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| 18:06.42 | somiaj | pie3: yes, a backup will just be a copy, but you have to decide if you want a copy of the cd/dvd image or the contents of the file system |
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| 18:07.26 | pie3 | copy and content are not the same thing? what is diff? somiaj |
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| 18:08.22 | somiaj | pie3: the image will be a copy of the filesystem, while the contents will be a copy of the files on a different file system. |
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| 18:08.40 | somiaj | pie3: I'm unsure what the cd/dvd is, but most likely you just want to copy the files onto the file system on the harddrive |
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| 18:09.34 | somiaj | pie3: for example the debian .iso images, that is a copy of the whole image, vs copying the actual files on the cd/dvd |
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| 18:13.30 | pie3 | it is video files |
| 18:13.51 | somiaj | pie3: I would just copy the files, not the image. |
| 18:14.05 | somiaj | also please don't message people (without asking first), keep support in the channel |
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| 18:15.06 | Orxata_ | Hi |
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| 18:15.31 | Orxata_ | I've installed firmware debian on a laptop with windows 10 preinstalled |
| 18:15.41 | Orxata_ | Now when I turn on the computer the grub doesn't even appear |
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| 18:16.02 | Orxata_ | My only option to boot to debian is to use "advanced boot options" from windows 10 |
| 18:16.09 | somiaj | What image did you use to install debian? |
| 18:16.10 | Orxata_ | how can I fix this? |
| 18:16.22 | somiaj | was it the non-free netinstall or a non-free live image? |
| 18:16.23 | Orxata_ | firmware-9.1.0-amd64 |
| 18:16.32 | Orxata_ | -DVD |
| 18:16.44 | somiaj | that is really what the image is called? I don't reconize that as a debian image. |
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| 18:16.57 | Orxata_ | I suppose it is a non-free live image |
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| 18:17.21 | Orxata_ | the problem is that my hardware doesn't have opensource drivers for my network card. So it's useless to try to install a netinstall |
| 18:17.23 | somiaj | so live images will only install in legacy mode, it could be your system is using efi boot and not showing legacy boot options. Have you looked under advanced boot options? |
| 18:17.28 | pie3 | what is xterm or x11? |
| 18:17.41 | pie3 | the terminal which i have is it called terminal or terminal emulator? |
| 18:17.44 | pie3 | i have gnome terminal |
| 18:17.46 | Orxata_ | somiaj: I've started with recovery mode and reinstalled the grub-install |
| 18:17.58 | somiaj | Orxata_: it isn't useless to isntall the netinstall as it does conatain a base system and can install without internet. Though I would suggest using the non-free netinstall image |
| 18:18.02 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 18:18.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 18:18.57 | Orxata_ | so... |
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| 18:19.04 | n4dir | pie3: both, xterm and gnome-terminal, are terminal emulators. many use terminal as a short form though |
| 18:19.25 | n4dir | well: as far i can tell ... |
| 18:19.40 | pie3 | xterm is separate program than gnome terminal? |
| 18:19.46 | pie3 | what is x11 |
| 18:19.47 | n4dir | pie3: yup. |
| 18:20.01 | pie3 | xterm is better than gnome? |
| 18:20.04 | n4dir | x11 is ... puh ... the graphical interface ? |
| 18:20.08 | pie3 | yes |
| 18:20.09 | n4dir | the GUI. |
| 18:20.11 | pie3 | how to launch it |
| 18:20.31 | pie3 | is it possible to run command like wget/grep etc.. from x11? |
| 18:20.34 | n4dir | you launch X11 either via "startx" or via a display-manager like gdm, kdm, etc |
| 18:20.47 | Orxata_ | on a youtube video it sugest that I should install Fast Startup |
| 18:20.49 | somiaj | Orxata_: the unoffical netisntall I linked will support both efi and legacy boot. Live imgages only support legacy boot. This maybe part of your issue. |
| 18:20.54 | pie3 | <pie3> xterm is better than gnome? |
| 18:21.08 | n4dir | pie3: to run commands in a x11 environment, you typically use a terminal-emulator |
| 18:21.12 | somiaj | Orxata_: depending on your system, you may need to configure the firmware to use legacy vs efi boot |
| 18:21.15 | pie3 | how to return back to this screen if i am entered in x11 |
| 18:21.20 | pie3 | by startx |
| 18:21.29 | Orxata_ | damn... |
| 18:21.34 | somiaj | pie3: xterm and gnome are completely different things, so not really comparable. One is a small termial emulator software, the other is a full desktop enviorment. |
| 18:21.48 | pie3 | whcih is full? |
| 18:22.00 | pie3 | which one most of people use? |
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| 18:22.24 | Orxata_ | this is frustrating |
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| 18:22.31 | n4dir | pie3: one way to get to tty is to use the keyboard shortcut (for example) : alt+ctlr+F2 (iirc F3, F4 ... F7) |
| 18:22.33 | Orxata_ | it doesn't bring me happiness |
| 18:22.53 | pie3 | what is tty? n4dir |
| 18:22.56 | n4dir | pie3: gnome3 is comfortable, xterm is light, but not everone likes it |
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| 18:23.19 | n4dir | pie3: that thing you see if no X, no GUI, is running. A command line interface |
| 18:23.20 | somiaj | pie3: gnome is the default and used by lots of people. If you like it use it, and then just use the gnome-terminal that comes with it. Debian provides choice, and some people like other software. |
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| 18:24.30 | n4dir | yeah, i agree with somiaj . nothing wrong with using gnome-terminal, and if you really need xterm, you probably will find it out. |
| 18:24.40 | Orxata_ | somiaj: is it possible to install debian from dvd and once its done get internet access? |
| 18:24.57 | somiaj | Orxata_: yes |
| 18:25.01 | Orxata_ | how? |
| 18:25.13 | BCMM | pie3: when you said xterm, were you perhaps thinking of xfce? |
| 18:25.21 | pie3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.21 | pie3 | (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/veepie/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log" for additional information. |
| 18:25.21 | pie3 | (EE) |
| 18:25.21 | pie3 | (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. |
| 18:25.23 | pie3 | xinit: giving up |
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| 18:25.24 | somiaj | Orxata_: If it is just a firmware issue, copy over the firmware package from packages.debian.org and install it. Thumbdrive helps |
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| 18:25.41 | pie3 | how to resolve it? |
| 18:25.56 | Orxata_ | I'm gonna try deactivating the uefi mode first... |
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| 18:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: Start X again like you did before? |
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| 18:27.19 | pie3 | i tried again same result jhutchins_wk |
| 18:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: Ctrl-Alt-F1-F6 should switch you to a standard console. You can also start "terminal" or "xterm" from within Gnome and you'll have a console window. |
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| 18:27.40 | pie3 | a black screen for a moment and then i am returned |
| 18:27.44 | n4dir | and how did you try to start X ` |
| 18:28.01 | pie3 | by typing word "startx" at terminal n4dir |
| 18:28.22 | pie3 | isnt it correct way? |
| 18:28.23 | n4dir | from where? The tty or a terminal emulator like xterm, gnome-terminal, etc |
| 18:28.31 | pie3 | from gnome-terminal |
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| 18:28.40 | n4dir | Then X is already running. |
| 18:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: There are ways to do that but that's not what you want. |
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| 18:29.45 | n4dir | btw, pie3 telling us what you want, not the means how you try to reach that, might be the better approach |
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| 18:30.28 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: He's trying to access the contents of a DVD and copy it to his hard disk. Not sure what kind of DVD. |
| 18:30.42 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: Here's some reading for later: |
| 18:30.48 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php |
| 18:30.49 | pie3 | i want to get a feel of x11 |
| 18:30.54 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but then it all went to xterm versus gnome-terminal, X, and what not . |
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| 18:31.22 | pie3 | DVD issue is over jhutchins_wk |
| 18:31.31 | klys | pie3, if your display is in graphics mode, you are using X11. |
| 18:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: Ah, good. |
| 18:31.37 | n4dir | pie3: if all you still want is to copy the contents of your DVD, then none of the other questions have much to do with it (i try to avoid to say: nothing :-) ) |
| 18:31.51 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: I guess he solved that. |
| 18:31.59 | klys | pie3, mencoder is the best way to copy an actual DVD. |
| 18:32.02 | n4dir | yup, i posted to slowly. Sorry. |
| 18:32.18 | pie3 | why klys |
| 18:32.19 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: If you're in gnome-terminal and you want to go back to gnome, just type "exit" or hit Ctrl-D. |
| 18:32.46 | pie3 | jhutchins_wk: what is gnome |
| 18:32.49 | n4dir | i bet the debian wiki or the debian handbook or any other documentation to be found at debian.org can explain X and the rest better ... pie3 |
| 18:32.59 | klys | pie3, because DVDs consist of encrypted video streams. |
| 18:33.30 | pie3 | so anythign which is encrypted should be copied by mencoder? |
| 18:33.32 | pie3 | is it a copy tool? |
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| 18:33.58 | klys | pie3, it's a transcoding tool for multimedia. |
| 18:34.13 | pie3 | why it is needed? why not simple copy and paste? |
| 18:34.39 | pie3 | transcoding from which to which form? |
| 18:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: It can handle various other formats. |
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| 18:35.10 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: You can use it to convert from a standard video DVD to a file that can be streamed on the web, things like that. |
| 18:35.14 | pie3 | i guess format handling is requried by VLC/media player |
| 18:35.18 | klys | pie3, because the DVD has encryption, it is done by both the DVD media itself and the drive you are using. http://www.rpc1.org/tdb/ |
| 18:35.22 | pie3 | why it is needed during copy/paste |
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| 18:35.44 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: VLC can play .iso files, which is what you get if you use DD. Copying with a GUI might not work. |
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| 18:36.06 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: The files have to be in the right format on the target disk for the video to play. |
| 18:36.26 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: It depends how the disk was created. |
| 18:36.42 | jhutchins_wk | s/DD/dd/ |
| 18:37.07 | jhutchins_wk | klys: I've had very good luck just using dd and writing to an .iso file. |
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| 18:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | klys: When copying commercial DVDs. |
| 18:37.37 | klys | jhutchins_wk, even ones that weren't in your region code? |
| 18:37.42 | jhutchins_wk | Then again, I haven't done that much. |
| 18:38.02 | jhutchins_wk | klys: Haven't experimented enough. The region code blocking happens at drive firmware level. |
| 18:38.17 | jhutchins_wk | klys: Does mencoder work around that? |
| 18:38.55 | klys | jhutchins_wk, see my link for region-free firmwares for old drives |
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| 18:39.20 | klys | newer drives are not hacked, as the project was abandoned. |
| 18:39.28 | jhutchins_wk | Cool, not needed, but interesting. |
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| 18:41.29 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion http://www.cdrfaq.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books |
| 18:42.06 | jhutchins_wk | pie3: The cdrfaq is pretty much EVERYTHING there is to know about CD/DVDs. |
| 18:42.59 | pie3 | ok i ll look into it jhutchins_wk |
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| 18:46.29 | annadane | pie3, for future reference you can use tab completion if your irc client supports it for names so you don't have to type them out in full, just type the first few letters and press tab |
| 18:47.38 | pie3 | annadane: yes i use it |
| 18:47.50 | pie3 | thanks for sharing tip, you can share more |
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| 18:52.06 | tdn | I have a number of virtualbox guest VMs with both debian 8 and debian 9 running KDE desktop. All have the virtualbox additions installed. However, performance is significantly better on debian 8. Debian 9 is so slow that it is almost unusable. Resizing windows has a visible lag. And alt+tab between running windows is also maybe half a sec to change. Is anyone else experiencing this? The host is a modern quad |
| 18:52.12 | tdn | core intel i7 CPU with 32 GB RAM and all storage is on SSD. |
| 18:52.20 | tdn | I installed vbox guest additions from the cdrom iso that is provided by the host virtualbox. What can cause this poor performance on debian 9 compared to debian 8? |
| 18:52.33 | tdn | This is extremely slow. Like swimming through molases. I mean, 0.5-1 sec from clicking a button to something actually happening. Chromium is exceptionally slow. Maybe 10 secs to open gmail. |
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| 18:53.24 | Nexiu | what should I do when glxinfo give me Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig. I use debian on cloud machine, lspci give: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5446 |
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| 18:53.51 | petemc | tdn: if you run top do you see anything with high cpu or memory utilisation? |
| 18:53.56 | jhutchins_wk | tdn: D9 uses more RAM than D8 - could the 9 systems be swapping? |
| 18:53.57 | teraflops | Nexiu: youre using a shitty gpu driver |
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| 18:54.12 | teraflops | tdn: check video drivers |
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| 18:55.22 | Nexiu | teraflops: so where I should start? I want to run Genymotion app but it give me a fatal error: Could not initialize GLX, so I try glxinfo and I get error |
| 18:55.36 | dstensnes | Nexiu: are you sure the cloud machine has 3d graphics capabilities at all? I mean, without software fakery? |
| 18:55.40 | teraflops | Nexiu: also cloud machine⦠what are you using for getting graphics? rdp? vnc? |
| 18:55.40 | cruncher | tdn, i asked you last time something, and you didnt answer anymore, so i thought its setlled |
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| 18:55.59 | teraflops | Nexiu: of course you get glx error |
| 18:56.11 | Nexiu | vnc |
| 18:56.35 | dstensnes | well, vnc doesn't support 3d graphics, which is what glx is refering to |
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| 18:57.06 | Nexiu | so I should try rdp protocol? |
| 18:57.10 | cruncher | tdn, anyway, check in the machine settings, system, acceleration |
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| 18:57.52 | teraflops | Nexiu: idk about vnc and getting hw accel. did you search for info about running genimotion through vnc? |
| 18:57.53 | dstensnes | Nexiu: well, i mean. you could probably do 3d graphics and show it via vnc |
| 18:58.07 | dstensnes | but the problem is probably more about cloud computer vs 3d graphics |
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| 18:58.48 | dstensnes | most cloud computers skip the whole 3d graphics stuff, because they are meant to run services |
| 18:58.56 | teraflops | Nexiu: cloud computer, the cloud bit is too vague |
| 18:59.18 | teraflops | which hypervisor is this? |
| 18:59.31 | dstensnes | you could maybe make 3d work with software rendering, but you would probably not get any kind of performance out of it |
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| 19:00.03 | Orxata_ | somiaj: I've already activated support for legacy BIOS |
| 19:00.12 | dstensnes | Nexiu: but i suppose some more info about what kind of cloud computer you are talking about, or which provider or anything like that |
| 19:00.19 | dstensnes | would be nice |
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| 19:00.33 | Orxata_ | my only option is to reinstall debian again with a full DVD and use the ethernet cable |
| 19:00.38 | Orxata_ | ): |
| 19:04.01 | BCMM | Nexiu: Cirrus Logic GD 5446 is an ancient graphics card. 2d acell only i think |
| 19:04.20 | BCMM | Nexiu: it's also a very popular emulated graphics card |
| 19:04.26 | BCMM | e.g. default GPU in qemu |
| 19:04.43 | BCMM | so that's probably why you're seeing it; there's no real graphics hardware present |
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| 19:06.36 | tdn | teraflops, how do I check video drivers? |
| 19:06.47 | teraflops | tdn: xorg logs |
| 19:07.05 | tdn | cruncher, sorry, I did answer, however, it was with a huge delay because I had to leave suddenly |
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| 19:07.32 | tdn | cruncher, you asked if the VMs are identically. Yes they are. Except for video RAM. The slow machine has 64 MB and the fast one has 32 MB |
| 19:07.33 | teraflops | on the guest, and check graphics options in vbox settings I guess |
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| 19:08.04 | dstensnes | tdn: i would start by looking at "free -m" output |
| 19:08.18 | dstensnes | see what it reports under swap |
| 19:08.30 | tdn | dstensnes, 0 swap, 6 GB free (not even cached) |
| 19:08.38 | tdn | dstensnes, it has plenty of RAM |
| 19:08.42 | dstensnes | tdn: okay, that is good |
| 19:09.01 | dstensnes | tdn: then try running some performance tests maybe, to see where they differ |
| 19:09.06 | dstensnes | sysbench has some i believe |
| 19:10.52 | dstensnes | maybe that can give you some info |
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| 19:16.23 | tdn | dstensnes, sysbench results: http://paste.yt/p6235.html |
| 19:18.27 | tdn | petemc, atop says that CPU is ~100-150 % |
| 19:18.30 | tdn | (2 cores) |
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| 19:19.30 | somiaj | Orxata_: the live images sometimes have trouble installing grub. I always suggest an offical installer, you can also just try to recover the install. If you want efi boot, you need to boot in efi mode which the live images will not do. |
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| 19:20.32 | tdn | jhutchins_wk, plenty of RAM. No swap in use |
| 19:20.46 | tdn | teraflops, what to look for in logs? |
| 19:21.27 | teraflops | tdn: about the graphics driver in use? on the guest? |
| 19:22.17 | teraflops | dmesg and xorg logs |
| 19:22.43 | tdn | teraflops, last lines http://paste.yt/p6236.html |
| 19:22.46 | Nexiu | Thanks for advice with use rdp, not vnc - now genymotion launch but I get error that my openGL version (1.3) is too old and they advice to update video drivers... so is no way to bypass it, or I can update openGL? |
| 19:22.57 | teraflops | in vobx side idk, but I barely remember it used to have a 3d option |
| 19:23.02 | teraflops | vbox |
| 19:23.33 | Nexiu | and about cloud service: its "Public Cloud" hosted by ovh |
| 19:24.25 | tdn | teraflops, it has a 3d acceleration option. Should I check that in the VM settings? |
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| 19:24.42 | teraflops | as I said idk about vbox |
| 19:24.55 | teraflops | idk stands for I dont know |
| 19:25.03 | tdn | OK |
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| 19:25.08 | tdn | idk that :) |
| 19:25.11 | teraflops | xD |
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| 19:36.47 | AndChat182964 | How to go out of tty |
| 19:37.02 | chrisatmachine | dont't worry about it |
| 19:37.16 | AndChat182964 | I need to go back to gui |
| 19:37.21 | chrisatmachine | idc |
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| 19:38.03 | dontknow | AndChat182964, have you tried ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 19:38.10 | AndChat182964 | Yes |
| 19:38.16 | AndChat182964 | It's showing tty2 |
| 19:38.17 | chrisatmachine | well your boned |
| 19:38.20 | AndChat182964 | Tty3 |
| 19:38.24 | AndChat182964 | Etc... |
| 19:38.54 | nvz | this is just a random curiousity but this machine has a Core 2 Duo E8400 which supports hypertreading, and on other machines I've used before the process monitors show these as seperate cores and it can run double the threads. This machine is only showing two CPU and two threads running at a given time. Is there some way that perhaps hyperthreading is disabled? |
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| 19:39.40 | frostschutz | nvz, it doesn't support hyperthreading |
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| 19:39.59 | nvz | /proc/cpuinfo says ht in the features |
| 19:39.59 | chrisatmachine | it doesn't.... |
| 19:40.17 | verm1n | http://ark.intel.com/products/33910/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E8400-6M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB |
| 19:40.41 | nvz | hmm.. I wonder why it says ht in the cpu flags then |
| 19:41.02 | petemc | tdn: if i see 100% cpu usage, and im not running something that should be pegging the cpu, i consider that a problem. what process uses most cpu ? |
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| 19:41.46 | verm1n | htt is the flag you should look for |
| 19:41.48 | LtL | nvz: check your bios, most boards enable hyper-threading by default but you can check |
| 19:41.57 | AndChat182964 | How to enter root from tty |
| 19:42.03 | nvz | verm1n: ah. I thought ht was hyperthreading |
| 19:42.13 | verm1n | htt in dmidecode at least |
| 19:42.23 | LtL | AndChat182964: 'su -' enter root pw |
| 19:43.28 | nvz | as for the spiking cpu issue that seems to be being discussed plain ol top shows cpu usage by category real nice, which will let you know if its user, kernel, interrupts, etc, and iostat will help run it down if its interrupts or something |
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| 19:44.51 | AndChat182964 | LtL: not working |
| 19:45.05 | nvz | I guess this must be one of the older/cheaper Core2Duo processors then, cause my last machine was one of those newest P4 775 sockets and even it had hyperthreading |
| 19:45.22 | LtL | AndChat182964: how is it not working? whats the error |
| 19:45.43 | AndChat182964 | No command su- |
| 19:46.02 | LtL | AndChat182964: read 'su -' spaces count |
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| 19:46.11 | AndChat182964 | I tried su - too |
| 19:46.27 | AndChat182964 | Command not found |
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| 19:46.39 | LtL | AndChat182964: is root disabled, are you on ubuntu? |
| 19:46.40 | verm1n | The old Core Series were based on the P6 architechture which didn't have hyperthreading. It was only brought back in Nehalem |
| 19:47.13 | AndChat182964 | I am on mint ltl |
| 19:47.53 | AndChat182964 | I want my desktop back |
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| 19:48.19 | AndChat182964 | Need gui |
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| 19:48.47 | towo` | AndChat182964, here is not #mint, here is #debian |
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| 19:48.54 | towo` | AndChat182964, try sudo su |
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| 19:49.18 | teraflops | AndChat182964: the problem is that youre asking in the wrong channel |
| 19:49.19 | AndChat182964 | Unable to mkdir.... |
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| 19:49.26 | AndChat182964 | towo`: |
| 19:49.26 | gnat_x | jelly: just saw your answer from several hours ago. i'm running tor: 0.2.9.11-1~deb9u1; gnupg2: 2.1.18-6; and dirmngr: 2.1.18-6 |
| 19:49.45 | towo` | AndChat182964, i had nothing written about mkdir |
| 19:50.00 | towo` | AndChat182964, and again, here is no mint support |
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| 19:50.12 | maxcell_ | mkdir? whatfck |
| 19:50.22 | AndChat182964 | Mkdir /var/run/sudo ready only file system |
| 19:50.43 | nvz | AndChat182964: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:50.46 | AndChat182964 | No tty present and no ask pass program specified |
| 19:50.51 | AndChat182964 | This is an error |
| 19:51.03 | AndChat182964 | What's that command for nvz |
| 19:51.08 | maxcell_ | press ctrl+D until you unlog and write root as username then put passwd |
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| 19:51.56 | nvz | AndChat182964: its to remount your filesystem read-write. you obviously have bigger problems than you realize. you also should go get a debian installer and install debian or seek support in an appropriate channel |
| 19:52.23 | AndChat182964 | What's login name for root? |
| 19:52.33 | verm1n | its /join #Mint |
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| 19:53.12 | verm1n | s/mint/#linuxmint |
| 19:53.22 | AndChat182964 | Not in this network |
| 19:53.33 | nvz | !mint |
| 19:53.33 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:55.29 | maxcell_ | how do i discover my gnome-shell version? apt show gnome-shell ? |
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| 19:55.41 | nvz | maxcell_: dpkg -l gnome-shell |
| 19:55.41 | maxcell_ | there is any other way? |
| 19:56.22 | maxcell_ | apt show actually shows too many information at once i need something basic |
| 19:56.43 | maxcell_ | nvz: thanks |
| 19:59.15 | maxcell_ | where is that debain website where you can search packages on another versions of debain? testing/unstable |
| 20:00.10 | apollo13 | packages.debian.org |
| 20:00.17 | maxcell_ | thx |
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| 20:00.35 | nvz | maxcell_: you can also /msg judd versions foo |
| 20:01.12 | nvz | maxcell_: and you should ask before you do something foolish which I sense you're about to do |
| 20:01.43 | maxcell_ | i wont mix debians distributions |
| 20:02.11 | maxcell_ | this judd bot is updated? |
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| 20:03.16 | maxcell_ | it is |
| 20:03.31 | maxcell_ | it's the same gnome-shell version of testing and stable |
| 20:04.25 | maxcell_ | those gnomes runs badly with nvidia card... kde is smooth tho but i don't like it |
| 20:05.04 | somiaj | cinnamon seems to be fairly popular amoung people who like gnome look |
| 20:05.24 | maxcell_ | i don't like it and it has the same problem, lagging drag window |
| 20:05.27 | maxcell_ | with nvidia |
| 20:05.40 | somiaj | using the nvidia non-free drivers or the open source nouveau drivers? |
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| 20:05.43 | maxcell_ | at least on debian |
| 20:05.48 | maxcell_ | non-free |
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| 20:05.51 | maxcell_ | ofcourse |
| 20:06.20 | maxcell_ | that's ok there is nothing we can do |
| 20:06.49 | maxcell_ | i think the gnome project fix this on newer versions of gnome-shell |
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| 20:06.57 | somiaj | that seems strange, usually see good preformance with the non-free, can you find a bug report that has a similar issue as yours? Wonder if it is something with your paticular hardware. |
| 20:08.16 | maxcell_ | it works better on newer versions of gnome, fedora, manjaro, arch |
| 20:08.23 | nvz | I'd setup mate on my fathers machine and he'd seen cinnamon on some mint flashdrive I left him for emergencices and hsaid e liked the look of that bbetter |
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| 20:09.02 | maxcell_ | haha |
| 20:09.08 | maxcell_ | cool |
| 20:09.15 | maxcell_ | my gnome-shell is looking like a mac os right now |
| 20:09.24 | maxcell_ | with nice icons as well |
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| 20:10.11 | maxcell_ | some extensions installed to make it better to use |
| 20:10.38 | nvz | idk, I treied gnome3 when it first came out I really didnt like it |
| 20:11.15 | maxcell_ | i like gtk, i use gnome since gnome 2 and i didn't like the gnome 3 as well |
| 20:11.30 | maxcell_ | because it's designed to touch screen, so it seems |
| 20:11.52 | maxcell_ | but if you put some love into it, you can make it way better than default settings |
| 20:12.19 | nvz | my main issue with it was in gnome 2.x you could right click and graphically configure most anything.. and in gnome 3 it was like we went backwards to editing config files again |
| 20:12.37 | nvz | so idk if they ever got around to solving that or not |
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| 20:13.44 | maxcell_ | yeah, like creating a new icon to menu entry is very hard, you have to create a config file for that and i couldn't even put the shortcut in the right entry menu. |
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| 20:14.23 | nvz | until gnome 3 has at least the features gnome 2 had, its not ready for use and just a step back in time in my opinion |
| 20:14.26 | maxcell_ | i think that is because the gnome3 is a new project completely different from gnome2 so they are strugling |
| 20:15.17 | maxcell_ | in terms of usability it is a step back but, in terms of beauty it doesn't |
| 20:15.36 | maxcell_ | the GTK2 window themes get old |
| 20:16.14 | maxcell_ | i feel like openbox is newer than xfce sometimes |
| 20:16.29 | maxcell_ | openbox didn't get that old as gtk2 |
| 20:16.41 | maxcell_ | you know what i mean? |
| 20:16.41 | teraflops | gtk2 is old as hell |
| 20:16.47 | nvz | yeah well I didn't like the look of it and I couldn't configure it because the only way was through config files and the documentation wasnt really there to even explain it yet.. so I just use mate if I'm gonna use a full DE cause its WYSIWYG GUI configurable |
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| 20:18.12 | maxcell_ | i really like mate, as a gnome2 lover, i feel you, very easy to use etc.. but the gtk2 gets too old in my opinion. |
| 20:18.46 | maxcell_ | and i think gnome 3 make a mistake of doing this designed touch shell |
| 20:19.01 | nvz | I still use sawfish for much the same reason. When I get to working on something I need my whole interface, macros, windows, etc to start suiting the task at hand. In sawfish I hit my macro for the sawfish-ui configuraion and it pops up, I hit "grab" and it can grab macros and window information quickly and reconfigure how windows are displayed and what keybidings do on the fly |
| 20:19.45 | nvz | short of a sentient wm, one that you can easily change on the fly without opening configs, reading docs, editing, saving, and restarting, something like sawfish is the best option |
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| 20:21.08 | maxcell_ | yeah i think gnome didn't think this through and make a mistake of doing this designed touch screen DE |
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| 20:21.34 | maxcell_ | in the time where Touch Screen is getting some flashlights |
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| 20:21.43 | maxcell_ | was* |
| 20:22.11 | maxcell_ | it's important to have it on linux but, idk, could be the second option not the first |
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| 20:22.58 | nvz | well I get why they ditched sawfish.. its themes were rather cumbersome and hard to integrate and since it was written in some rare lisp dialect its hard to adapt.. but their first mistake was ditching a very powerful wm for a crappy one, then with gnome3 they just focused on a whole redesigned UI without any easy config mechanism or proper documentation |
| 20:23.33 | maxcell_ | it's like windows 8 interface. nobody likes it, and it was designed for touch screen. The Start Menu gets removed on windows 10. If you remember, the windows 8 opens the whole screen start menu. shit thing |
| 20:24.00 | nvz | this discussion should move to #debian-offtopic :P |
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| 20:24.45 | nvz | near as I can tell we aren't missing any current support issues, but this is more a social discussion |
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| 20:30.33 | Mahdi | re |
| 20:30.35 | Mahdi | ra ? |
| 20:30.37 | Mahdi | allo allo ? |
| 20:30.46 | Mahdi | sorry |
| 20:31.14 | Mahdi | miss chanel |
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| 20:32.03 | nvz | who is miss chanel? heh. |
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| 20:52.26 | ee1 | Hey. Any app to remote view my android cellphone from debian? Threw cable |
| 20:53.22 | annadane | i would guess probably ssh |
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| 20:54.42 | ee1 | My screen is black on my phone, or atleast I can scroll down the menu bar from top of it. SSH im not familiar with, guess no easy app to do it with? |
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| 20:55.51 | annadane | i actually don't know how cross platform ssh is |
| 20:55.55 | annadane | someone else probably does |
| 20:55.56 | nvz | ee1: yes you can do it using adb |
| 20:56.04 | annadane | ah, there you go |
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| 20:56.29 | nvz | though I gotta try remember what app I was using to do it.. but I know I did it a few months ago |
| 20:57.29 | ee1 | nvz: Thanks checking. |
| 20:58.16 | jhutchin1_wk | There are ssh clients for android, I don't know of ssh servers. I don't know of any VPN/GUI server for android. |
| 20:58.20 | nvz | ee1: ah it was called seven square that I used, but the phone has to have usb debugging enabled in the settings |
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| 20:59.08 | ee1 | nvz: hmm, I don't think I can do that, because I need to change the setting to usb debugging? |
| 20:59.42 | nvz | yes for adb to work the usb debuggin must be enabled |
| 20:59.56 | nvz | and for you to mirror the screen you need adb access |
| 21:00.02 | ee1 | nvz: Maybe I can start it from "root" or whatever it's called. |
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| 21:00.40 | nvz | ee1: idk, but you could seek further assistance in #androidthis isn't really a debian issue |
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| 21:01.47 | nvz | you'd need the phones screen to work regardless because adb connections must be allowed by clicking a dialog on the phone |
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| 21:03.51 | ee1 | nvz: Ok. The screen is flickering however, so maybe just resett the phone will work. Back it up with gmail will back the whole phone up so |
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| 21:08.24 | orbere | My audio works under Unity but not Xfce, what are the differences between the two? Pulseaudio vs ALSA? |
| 21:09.54 | nvz | orbere: the difference is, this is #debian and you're looking for #ubuntu |
| 21:10.03 | orbere | ha ok |
| 21:10.22 | nvz | !ubuntu |
| 21:10.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 21:11.47 | orbere | Wait, I'm running Debian 9 with GNOME |
| 21:12.02 | orbere | I don't know what to call that sidebar of icons except Unity |
| 21:12.10 | nvz | heh |
| 21:12.16 | maxcell_ | lol |
| 21:12.49 | maxcell_ | ubuntu is shit when you install 2 DE's |
| 21:12.58 | maxcell_ | in debian you can install 10 DE's if you like |
| 21:13.05 | nvz | orbere: what does dpkg -l pulseaudio say? |
| 21:13.06 | maxcell_ | all will work |
| 21:14.13 | orbere | It says it's installed, ii pulseaudio 10.0.1+deb9u amd64 PulseAudio sound server |
| 21:14.44 | nvz | orbere: well for the record unity is an ubuntu thing and you're running Debian 9 Stretch amd64 |
| 21:14.56 | maxcell_ | true |
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| 21:15.02 | maxcell_ | why it doesn't working on xfce tho? |
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| 21:15.11 | maxcell_ | thats weird |
| 21:15.21 | maxcell_ | aren't |
| 21:15.37 | nvz | sound has always been rather complex on linux.. I'm still having some sound issues myself |
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| 21:16.30 | nvz | like most things you gotta break it down. first you'd open a terminal and try alsa utilities like aplay and see if those work |
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| 21:17.06 | maxcell_ | see if the sound is mutted on alsamixer as well |
| 21:17.22 | maxcell_ | muted* |
| 21:17.37 | nvz | in this case since you have pulseaudio you'd probably want to find out if pulseaudio is even running, and yes, check the mixer. I've heard people say the mixer settings sometimes don't save/load properly across desktops |
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| 21:18.15 | maxcell_ | if alsa is muted, pulseaudio would work? |
| 21:18.33 | orbere | ok, I'm on a fresh install, let me install xfce and I'll try these suggestions |
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| 21:21.05 | maxcell_ | nvz: pulseaudio use alsa right? |
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| 21:33.31 | orbere | My sound is working under Xfce like it was on GNOME but my volume up/down buttons on my Thinkpad are not, this is getting machine specific, I know |
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| 21:35.41 | orbere | My question isn't so much how to get all these things working, but what is the level of separation between desktop environments and underlying stuff |
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| 21:37.53 | orbere | Because GNOME is working fine |
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| 21:41.31 | bigMouthCommie | first, thank you. i can't believe that i was able to find a copy of debian LIVE with the proprietary drivers i needed and the WM i wanted. so you guys are great, and i want u to know i really appreciate what you do. |
| 21:42.07 | bigMouthCommie | second: any tips on getting compiz to run on boot? it has a few accessiblity functions on which i've become dependent. |
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| 21:57.14 | j0z | ho0w can I use kernel-package on debian 9 please? I need make-kpkg |
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| 22:03.15 | nvz | j0z: apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 22:04.42 | nvz | !compiz |
| 22:04.42 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:06.22 | j0z | nvz, it says I need to install another package |
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| 22:06.31 | j0z | it is available from another package |
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| 22:08.32 | mo1991 | nvz - compiz is included in Stretch now |
| 22:08.47 | Brigo | ,v compiz |
| 22:08.48 | judd | Package: compiz on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1 |
| 22:09.07 | Brigo | mo1991, you are right, do you know why? |
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| 22:09.32 | mo1991 | bigMouthCommie above |
| 22:09.50 | mo1991 | Brigo - I know that people have been working on getting it back for some time now - but why? |
| 22:10.21 | Brigo | mo1991, i didn't know that. I thought Compiz dead. |
| 22:11.04 | nvz | j0z: apparently kernel-package was discontinued and is now obsolete |
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| 22:11.26 | nvz | !kernel handbook |
| 22:11.26 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 22:11.28 | mo1991 | Brigo - it has been being developed by cannonical for some time - the .9 version was always buggy in debian. But luckily, some people took it upon themselves to get the latest code from ubunhtu and repackage, etc for debian |
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| 22:12.27 | Brigo | it was really cool in its time. I' am happy of its come back :) |
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| 22:12.38 | mo1991 | As I have always used it for various reasons, its great to have a recent, stable version back in debian. It has a lot of visual features, some that are very helpful for people who are visually impared |
| 22:12.56 | mo1991 | ya i've always been at xfce + compiz for many years. |
| 22:13.17 | mo1991 | great for virtual machines, just flip the cube and your in the next VM |
| 22:13.27 | daniel-s | Which filesystem should I use for a workstation? |
| 22:13.34 | daniel-s | Would it be different for a server? |
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| 22:15.18 | nvz | daniel-s: if you have to ask what filesystem you should use, then you should just use the default which currently is ext4 |
| 22:15.30 | daniel-s | Cool. Thanks |
| 22:16.43 | j0z | nvz thanks |
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| 22:18.04 | nvz | j0z: yeah, I'm not too thrilled about this.. I liked kernel-package myself |
| 22:18.46 | j0z | yes me too |
| 22:18.56 | bigMouthCommie | mo1991: i installed compiz, but when i run it it breaks a bunch of things... |
| 22:19.19 | nvz | it was an all-in one tool that patched, configured, compiled, and packaged all in one command, it was beautiful.. |
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| 22:19.53 | bigMouthCommie | frankly, the biggest feature that i want is color inversion |
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| 22:20.37 | bdax | Hi everyone. I've just created a debian 9.1 live usb using `cp .iso /dev/sdb && sync`, rebooted and it works fine. However, I want to add some extra files to the usb. The manual says to create an extra fat32 partition, but this is what gparted says: http://tinypic.com/r/2qs3s6u/9 you can see from the sizes that it's misreading it for some reason. Anyone came across this and/or have any advice? |
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| 22:27.16 | nvz | I personally find it more useful to just install to a USB drive than to run live from it. It boots faster and its easier to modify and save the configs like a normal install |
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| 22:27.34 | bigMouthCommie | personally, i'd use proxmox to make a custom distro |
| 22:29.46 | mo1991 | bigMouthCommie - I think compiz only works well with xfce or mate. or other older style desktops. I use it with xfce and it works great. Pretty sure mate works perfect also |
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| 22:30.39 | nvz | compiz is a window manager, it will work with anything except another window manager |
| 22:31.03 | nvz | any DE you can change the wm, some it just may be easier or harder to do |
| 22:31.20 | bigMouthCommie | thank you |
| 22:31.24 | bigMouthCommie | @ mo1991 |
| 22:31.25 | bdax | install it to a usb? I didn't know that was possible. presumeable that locks it to this hardware? Are there any other considerations with that approach? |
| 22:31.40 | mo1991 | fair enough. I just think using a simple compiz --replace command in gnome screws things up. Good to know there is a way to change this. |
| 22:31.44 | bdax | making a custom distro seems a bit much for this tbh, I just want to copy a file |
| 22:32.08 | bdax | presumably* |
| 22:32.10 | bigMouthCommie | nvz: do you have tips for making it play nice with gnome? |
| 22:32.24 | nvz | bdax: no it will not lock it to the hardware, linux is a monolithic kernel and all debian kernels use initrd, the only part that would lock it to the hardware is if you setup something like 3rd party driver |
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| 22:32.54 | nvz | bigMouthCommie: not really gnome is dead to me |
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| 22:33.55 | bdax | nvz: that's pretty interesting. if I install wifi firmware specific to this laptop, would other computers just ignore that? or that the sort of 3rd party driver you're referring to? |
| 22:34.39 | bigMouthCommie | nvz: i just can't seem to let it go. :( what did you switch to? |
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| 22:34.57 | nvz | bdax: no wifi firmware is only used by the wifi driver that needs it.. and the kernel would auto-detect the hardware. The kind of thing I'm referring to is like nvidia or ati proprietary video drivers since they have an xorg component as well.. |
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| 22:35.58 | nvz | bigMouthCommie: I didn't switch I stayed on gnome 2 with sawfish when they ditched it for megashitty. and then I grew up and stopped using a DE at all. DEs are a pita.. you just create a session and run whatever programs you like from .xsession like a grown up :P |
| 22:36.07 | bdax | ah brilliant. I never considered that approach before. thanks for that! |
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| 22:36.56 | nvz | bdax: thats the way I do it, I just install like normal using the USB as the rootfs, and then install a bootloader onto it.. its way easier to config that way and when you change stuff it stays because its not running in ram |
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| 22:39.25 | bdax | nvz: oh but how do you then launch the installer from an installation? |
| 22:40.15 | mo1991 | bigMouthCommie - you can install any desktop alongside gnome. Mate is similar to gnome2. XFCE is also pretty similar to gnome2 but a little lighter - at your login screen you can choose whatever desktop you want. I install with gnome to make sure I get the gnome programs without searching for them, then install xfce w compiz - I can use either then, although I always just use xfce |
| 22:40.26 | nvz | bdax: you'd need to boot the installer from something else obviously.. a cd, pxe, something you cant really install to and from the same media |
| 22:41.41 | bigMouthCommie | nvz: i am my home's sysadmin, so my wife isn't likely to want to run everyhing out of xsession |
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| 22:41.57 | bigMouthCommie | hence, i'd like to pick a de that fits us both |
| 22:42.07 | bigMouthCommie | in case i need to provide any support |
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| 22:42.30 | nvz | bdax: the install guide has a whole section (4.5 if I recall correctly) on PXE / Netboot install setup. its one of the more elaborate things to set up but its my favorite install method because you can drop different installers into your TFTP setup and install do anything you plug into it. I used to have a small netgear router with this setup |
| 22:43.01 | mo1991 | bigMouthCommie - just make sure you install compizconig settings manager package with compiz - as you will need this to enable windows borders, window resize, window move, cube, rotate cube, etc. By default compiz doesn't do much, but you can easily setup in a matter of a few minutes |
| 22:43.32 | nvz | and because it only requires TFTP / DHCP on the one end and PXE rom on the other, it can be done on virutally any hardware.. you could in theory do it on windows, linux, mac, android, anything that can run a tftp and dhcp server and the two don;t even have to be on the same machine |
| 22:43.53 | bigMouthCommie | thanx for the help |
| 22:44.05 | bigMouthCommie | v confident about installing debian on my wife's machine after work |
| 22:44.28 | bdax | nvz: no sorry I mean as in: I put debian on usb1, boot into usb1 and use it to install to usb2. I now wipe usb1 and use it for something else. How to I launch the installer from usb2 for the laptop? or did I misinterpret the solution? And net installations won't in this case unfortunately (I think) as I'm often using the wifi at a uni halls of residence or somewhere similar, where I don't have full access to the wifi |
| 22:44.40 | mo1991 | and I'd go xfce or mate if you want a "normal" full function desktop. compiz can easily be started on startup |
| 22:44.44 | bdax | won't work* |
| 22:45.50 | nvz | bdax: you just boot the intaller from one thumbdrive and install to the other. |
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| 22:50.15 | bdax | nvz: I think I misinterpreted somewhere. I was hoping to create a custom debian live of sorts, that could be used to install debian on laptops, so I was hoping once debian was installed on usb2 from usb1, the installed could be launched from usb2 for the laptop. Is your solution instead for making a portable installation that you use as your main/backup installation? |
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| 22:50.46 | bdax | (custom in the sense that it has some extra files added to the usb) |
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| 22:51.09 | bdax | the installer could be launched* |
| 22:51.58 | bdax | this used to be easy when I used unetbootin, but that's apparently not recommended anymore |
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| 22:54.07 | paqcito | Is there a way to restart multiple services at a time? i.e service firefox-daemon restart && service chrome-daemon restart && service hello-daemon restart? |
| 22:54.39 | nvz | bdax: oh, well the live things just use bootcd as I recall |
| 22:54.43 | nvz | !bootcd |
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| 22:55.08 | nvz | ,info bootcd |
| 22:55.09 | judd | Package bootcd (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 5.05; Size: 96.1k; Installed: 426k |
| 22:55.26 | nvz | bdax: but maybe something has changed idk |
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| 22:56.42 | bdax | ah okay, thanks for that nvz, I'll have a look into it some more |
| 22:57.35 | nvz | bdax: yes what you are trying to do was probably the best way to go about it. I thought you just wanted a portable install I didn't realize you wanted something to use as an installer. Bootcd however was the project designed to take a running install and make it into a live image and vice versa |
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| 22:59.01 | nvz | bdax: I'd always just setup a laptop or a router to PXE boot the installer and a local mirror for doing installs |
| 22:59.16 | paqcito | Yes. Restarting them in that way didnt work for me |
| 22:59.19 | paqcito | Any suggestion? |
| 22:59.45 | bdax | nvz: ah I see well that might work then. I think I'll have a look at editing the iso, and if not give that bootcd package a try. thanks again for the tip |
| 23:01.00 | awal1 | paqcito, if during / for upgrades concerns, check 'needrestart' pkg |
| 23:01.27 | nvz | paqcito: for one thing && requires that the first command exit 0 (success) or it stops executing other commands you use ; if you just want it to run several commands regardless of the exit status |
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| 23:03.57 | paqcito | nvz: thanks |
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| 23:07.38 | nvz | paqcito: no problem. it's good to remember that. && is a logic operator checking the exit status where as ; is just a command seperator |
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| 23:09.37 | paqcito | nvz: I did know about &&, but never read about ; |
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| 23:10.57 | nvz | paqcito: true; echo "you will see this" && false && echo "you will not see this" |
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| 23:11.22 | nvz | paqcito: true && echo "you will see this" && false && echo "you will not see this" |
| 23:11.25 | nvz | for that matter |
| 23:11.50 | paqcito | nvz: Yes. I got it |
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| 23:12.28 | paqcito | nvz: I've been working in a bash script for almost 3 days (10,12 lines) and never learned that |
| 23:12.52 | paqcito | nvz: my bash is still awful though |
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| 23:17.29 | nvz | paqcito: I've been doing it for about 15 years and I'm still learning new things |
| 23:18.29 | paqcito | nvz: that sounds great but at the same time when I'm trying to learn the most I can everyday to get a decent job is a little but overwhelmed |
| 23:18.51 | Sveta | I recall our sysadmin saying that he learned of {1..4} notation 'last month' after what appears to be at least a decade of working as a system administrator. |
| 23:18.55 | somiaj | there is also #bash for more details on bash scripts if that is your goal. |
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| 23:19.25 | paqcito | nvz: I'm doing this for 8-9 hours per day, every single day. Looking forward to becoming a good sysadmin |
| 23:19.30 | somiaj | Sveta: sometimes such notation is added after one learned what they needed to do. |
| 23:19.31 | nvz | greycat's bash faq is a great place to learn too |
| 23:19.48 | paqcito | somiaj: yeah, i've been hanging around there |
| 23:19.51 | somiaj | though unsure how much bash notation keeps changing. |
| 23:19.59 | paqcito | Sveta: O.o |
| 23:20.04 | tw | is {1..4} a bashism? |
| 23:20.08 | tw | because it doesn't work in my shell. |
| 23:20.09 | Sveta | Yes. |
| 23:20.31 | tw | i imagine it's effectively seq 1 4 |
| 23:20.50 | somiaj | yea, some people prefer to only use POSTIX sh syntax and avoid bashisms... |
| 23:20.52 | nvz | tw: echo {1..4} |
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| 23:21.15 | paqcito | i'll start today with a book called The Linux Shell Command and go from there with man pages and more hard documentation |
| 23:21.25 | tw | nvz: https://paste.debian.net/984873/ |
| 23:21.35 | Sveta | `echo {001..004}` looks interesting too :P |
| 23:21.36 | paqcito | since man pages and other documentation seems to be written in another language for me |
| 23:21.48 | somiaj | paqcito: learning to read man pages is a very useful skill, and I find knowing how to find information far more useful than knowing how to do something. |
| 23:22.02 | somiaj | with stackexchange and all those forums/sites out there, tracking down information isn't to difficult. |
| 23:22.16 | paqcito | somiaj: Well, a month ago I was worse than now at reading man pages |
| 23:22.23 | nvz | tw: strange.. it outputs "1 2 3 4" here on Debian 9 Stretch armhf |
| 23:22.25 | paqcito | somiaj: true |
| 23:22.53 | nvz | tw: and Debian 8 amd64 as well |
| 23:22.54 | Sveta | That's a bashism. |
| 23:23.03 | Sveta | tw is probably not using bash. |
| 23:23.08 | tw | Newp. |
| 23:24.01 | tw | I think it's dash. or possibly busybox ash. |
| 23:24.33 | somiaj | tw: you are using dash as your main shell? ash is more likley. |
| 23:24.47 | somiaj | dash is very stripped down and for system scripts. |
| 23:25.15 | somiaj | many seem to really like zsh, I personally find bash sufficent for my needs. |
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| 23:26.19 | tw | I'm a fan of zsh's programmable tab completion, I just don't have it here. |
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| 23:28.20 | paqcito | I cant think right now about other shells since I'm starting with bash and I feel is a lot already |
| 23:28.21 | paqcito | lol |
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| 23:29.10 | tw | I'd stick with posix-isms if you're just learning. Bash does a lot of nice things for you, but you pay in portability eventually. |
| 23:29.27 | nvz | paqcito: I think it's more important that you learn python and/or perl before learning another normal command shell. |
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| 23:29.55 | paqcito | nvz: You mean after Bash, do you? |
| 23:29.57 | somiaj | yea, if you are writting system scripts for debian, dash will be the shell that is used and bashisms will mess it up. POSTIX or dash is a good level to at least know. |
| 23:30.49 | aly-ly | diffrence between perl and python |
| 23:31.04 | nvz | paqcito: yes python and perl are used heavily for linux systems.. and python is becomming more and more popular. dropbox client, hp's printer control center, and all sorts of things are written in python |
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| 23:32.06 | paqcito | nvz: That's the path I want to follow.. bash ---> python and /or perl. Keep learning linux and networking, keep play around with old and new monitoring system (nagios, sensu), and learn ansible or any config manag |
| 23:32.20 | paqcito | I think that'd put me out there to be hired |
| 23:32.45 | paqcito | nvz: Thanks. Any recommendation for Python? I bought Automating the Boring Stuff with Python |
| 23:32.48 | somiaj | python/perl/ruby/php depend a lot on what you end up getting hired to do or want to do. |
| 23:33.12 | paqcito | somiaj: I can't wait until I get a interview to start learning though :p |
| 23:33.14 | aly-ly | great |
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| 23:33.37 | nvz | aly-ly: there are countless differences for example you can't do stuff like this in python: http://www.perlmonks.org/?note=obfuscated%20code |
| 23:33.37 | somiaj | paqcito: I would use channel's specific to what you want to learn, #python may have some advice on good ways to learn python. Mostly learn python 3, but it is nice knowing it is different than python2, as there is still a lot of python2 code that is still activally used. |
| 23:33.53 | paqcito | somiaj: I've been playing with php/mysql, since I think it's good to know about web programming if I'd be working with web servers |
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| 23:34.23 | paqcito | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:35.01 | somiaj | aly-ly: and sometimes the difference is what code you are working with. I prefer python but end up using perl more and more because the software I work on uses perl. |
| 23:35.22 | aly-ly | thanks nvz |
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| 23:37.13 | tw | You could always FFI the perl in with perl embedding and ctypes or swig ;) |
| 23:37.17 | aly-ly | I always wanted to learn python I thought it was easier |
| 23:37.17 | tw | I don't recommend it. |
| 23:37.51 | aly-ly | thank you somiaj |
| 23:38.59 | somiaj | aly-ly: python is a nice language, I would suggest looking into it. |
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| 23:42.19 | aly-ly | yes somiaj |
| 23:44.09 | somiaj | aly-ly: perl is just very common, so depending on what you do, you may have to learn that too. |
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| 23:44.20 | somiaj | I chose to and liked learning python. I learn perl cause I have to work with it. |
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| 23:50.30 | malsagxulo | i like ruby. at first i didn't, python made me feel like all languages "should" be indentation-sensitive, but it's not that bad throwing in an "end". and ruby makes closures *much* easier and useful |
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| 23:54.14 | malsagxulo | (of course, nested defs are also closures in python, but they don't have a lot of uses there. ruby really puts them to work as "blocks") |
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| 23:55.47 | malsagxulo | coffeescript is also nice, i think. at least compared to plain javascript |
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| 23:58.12 | tw | I honestly don't see the point of ruby-style closures. Is it just how ruby handles things like reentrance context in C, or C++'s callable? |
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| 23:59.58 | malsagxulo | tw: together with the yield syntax, it's basically a way of defining your own control constructs. a ruby method can call its block however and as many times as it wants, as well as pass it on to other methods |