| 00:00.12 | nvz | testdrive: the debian project, the names follow toy story characters because the founder had worked for pixar |
| 00:00.14 | annadane | testdrive, toy story characters |
| 00:00.41 | testdrive | oh I kne where they were from but didn't know he worked for pixar |
| 00:00.50 | testdrive | but I mean who decides what the next name will be? |
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| 00:01.31 | nvz | bo, rex, buzz, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, sid |
| 00:02.02 | oerheks | testdrive, Bruce Perens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Code_names |
| 00:02.03 | annadane | buster, bullseye |
| 00:02.12 | annadane | and sid is always unstable |
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| 00:02.33 | testdrive | :D |
| 00:02.56 | testdrive | so testing get's the name first? |
| 00:03.16 | annadane | yes because every testing release will ultimately be the next stable |
| 00:04.00 | testdrive | oh nice |
| 00:04.03 | annadane | testing is the next stable and sid is always rolling, except at freeze |
| 00:04.15 | annadane | they become the same at freeze |
| 00:04.30 | annadane | well |
| 00:04.34 | annadane | that's not strictly true |
| 00:04.54 | annadane | consult https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 00:06.13 | testdrive | thanks :) it's good to know |
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| 00:11.40 | disbute | Has AMD video cards gotten any better on Linux? |
| 00:12.46 | disbute | Cuase I remember them being really bad |
| 00:13.11 | testdrive | that depends |
| 00:13.22 | testdrive | Debian comes with the free driver |
| 00:14.03 | testdrive | there was an proprietary fglx driver but AMD abandoned it |
| 00:14.33 | testdrive | they released a new driver called amdgpu-pro that only works with a few GPUs and I don't think it works with neweer kernels |
| 00:14.57 | disbute | So it won't work with kernel 4.12? |
| 00:15.16 | testdrive | I think it works below 4.10 but I can check on their website |
| 00:15.23 | testdrive | I use the free driver though and it works well |
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| 00:17.21 | testdrive | Compatible Operating Systems: RedHat Enterprise Linux 7.2 (64-bit version), RedHat Enterprise Linux 6.8 (64-bit version), Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit version) |
| 00:17.50 | disbute | If it works with Ubuntu can it work with debian? |
| 00:17.57 | testdrive | it doesn't say anything about kernel so I\m not sure but Ubuntu is not Debian |
| 00:18.09 | testdrive | I have no idea, but I think you could try |
| 00:18.16 | testdrive | https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%e2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx |
| 00:18.28 | testdrive | why do you need it though? |
| 00:18.37 | testdrive | you don't have to use their driver |
| 00:19.00 | disbute | I doing some cad work |
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| 00:19.06 | disbute | i'm |
| 00:19.37 | testdrive | what's wrong with the free open source driver? |
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| 00:21.41 | RoyK | testdrive: probably mostly that the hardware isn't documented very well, they don't do that, since a lot of the GPU things lies in the interface in addition to the hardware, so the OSS driver is reverse engineered and won't be as good as the one from the AMD |
| 00:21.45 | oerheks | amdgpu <> amdgpu-pro, 2 different things, the pro is a binairy blob on top of amdgpu .. else you fall back to the openradeon driver |
| 00:22.36 | RoyK | oerheks: <> ? that's pascal syntax :D |
| 00:22.49 | testdrive | SQL :D |
| 00:22.58 | RoyK | != |
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| 00:23.21 | disbute | freepascal |
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| 00:23.55 | testdrive | RoyK: it's possible that they are not as good but is there a proof of that? also amdgpu=pro driver doesn't really work with many cards so there aren't many choices here |
| 00:24.01 | RoyK | disbute: which is, in essense, borland pascal (former turbo pascal) |
| 00:24.37 | testdrive | oerheks: I only know that the only driver AMD provides right now is amdgpu-pro |
| 00:25.05 | oerheks | testdrive, and the openradeon for older cards 5xxx and such |
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| 00:25.21 | RoyK | testdrive: honestly, I don't have much experience with GPU issues on linux, just saying what I know, and it may be a bit too theorethical |
| 00:25.27 | testdrive | oerheks: it\s thje free driver, it works with newer cards too |
| 00:25.53 | oerheks | ehh, wrong, newer cards will automatic load the amdgpu driver. |
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| 00:26.06 | testdrive | RoyK: no problem, I was just curious if there were some tests done or something because I heard different opinions |
| 00:27.02 | disbute | it's like mesa vs nvidia's drivers |
| 00:27.15 | oerheks | amdpro is open source too.. |
| 00:27.23 | testdrive | oerheks: the open source one is radeon right? |
| 00:27.25 | oerheks | err amdgpu * |
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| 00:27.52 | oerheks | Only the amdgpu-pro is a binairy blob. |
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| 00:28.15 | disbute | amd just gave the source to the foss community instead of hiring programmer to make drivers for Linux |
| 00:28.40 | testdrive | if that\s the case could you show me where I can download amdgpu and its code? I must have got it all wrong and I tried searching some time ago and couldn't find anything |
| 00:29.42 | testdrive | the only drivers I could find were oibaf's drivers or amdgpu-pro |
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| 00:31.16 | oerheks | easy to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_graphics_device_driver#History_amdgpu |
| 00:31.54 | disbute | http://developer.amd.com/resources/open-source/ |
| 00:32.43 | testdrive | so you can't install amdgpu because they are already part of the kernel? |
| 00:33.10 | oerheks | Jups, you have it, or you have the openradeon |
| 00:33.19 | testdrive | ok I see |
| 00:33.38 | oerheks | * which is fine, i run openradeon with 2 screens/2 movies same time |
| 00:33.45 | disbute | 300+ support amd pro |
| 00:33.50 | testdrive | so it\s still either the free drivers that come with gnu/linux or the amdgpu-pro ones |
| 00:34.38 | testdrive | I run the free drivers too and they work fine for me |
| 00:35.13 | disbute | Right now nvidia is pertty much your only option if you want a gpu for gaming |
| 00:35.29 | disbute | cause crypto miners keep buying amd video cards |
| 00:36.41 | testdrive | is it bad that they buy amd cards? |
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| 00:38.27 | disbute | it's not bad that they do it just eats up supply |
| 00:38.42 | testdrive | I wish both those companies released free firmware |
| 00:38.50 | testdrive | I see |
| 00:39.15 | testdrive | to use my gpu I had to install non free firmware and that sucks |
| 00:40.21 | disbute | Well there are only 2 companies to buy GPU from |
| 00:40.36 | testdrive | unfortunately |
| 00:41.39 | testdrive | same with CPUs and both companies have a way to put backdoors into their CPUs without us knowing |
| 00:42.45 | disbute | at least AMD made a cpu that can compete with Intel after years of an Intel monopoly |
| 00:42.52 | testdrive | there is something Intel ME that's integrated into all new Intel CPUs and has access to the network and can work even when the PC is turned off |
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| 00:43.07 | annadane | intel management engine |
| 00:43.11 | testdrive | yeah |
| 00:43.17 | testdrive | more choice is always better |
| 00:43.41 | annadane | though they've just about neutered it |
| 00:43.46 | testdrive | not always but usually |
| 00:43.50 | testdrive | what do you mean? |
| 00:43.50 | annadane | i forget the name of the project working on cracking it |
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| 00:44.15 | testdrive | hmm I've read the system can't run without it |
| 00:44.32 | testdrive | nothing will boot |
| 00:46.41 | disbute | https://hackaday.com/2016/11/28/neutralizing-intels-management-engine/ |
| 00:49.33 | cossin | jessie -> strech upgrade question. any gotcha for systems which uses sysvinit-core and instead of systemd? |
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| 00:49.53 | testdrive | "Completely removing the ME from these systems is impossible, however disabling parts of the ME are not" |
| 00:51.16 | testdrive | also read this https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel |
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| 00:52.10 | testdrive | "It is unlikely that any post-2008 Intel hardware will ever be supported in libreboot, due to severe security and freedom issues; so severe, that the libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware. If you have an Intel based system affected by the problems described below, then you should get rid of it as soon as possible (...)" |
| 00:52.54 | annadane | cossin, not sure but see https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes |
| 00:53.15 | disbute | Only problem with that is pretty much every cpu from 2010+ can't be used |
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| 00:53.45 | testdrive | libreboot says 2008+ |
| 00:55.04 | testdrive | we have some OSes, now we need a fee CPU |
| 00:55.14 | RoyK | I wonder how the ME is able to communicate across the net without getting an IP address |
| 00:55.15 | testdrive | *free |
| 00:55.45 | testdrive | I think it just uses the network card built in the motherboard |
| 00:56.18 | RoyK | so if I set a static IP, how does it find that_ |
| 00:56.20 | RoyK | ? |
| 00:56.46 | testdrive | hmm that's interesting |
| 00:56.49 | RoyK | L3 sniffing? |
| 00:57.10 | RoyK | shouldn't be too hard, though |
| 00:57.10 | testdrive | we know that ME has access to all your system's memory so it could get it from there whenever it wanted to |
| 00:57.31 | RoyK | it's probably a lot easier to just sniff it |
| 00:57.53 | testdrive | I don't know, but you might be right |
| 00:58.11 | testdrive | it can sniff anything including passwords |
| 00:58.12 | disbute | still has to go to server |
| 00:58.50 | RoyK | guess I'll try to find an old PC from work and let connect it to a raspberry pi or something for a router just to see |
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| 00:59.09 | disbute | wireshark and snort |
| 00:59.12 | RoyK | s/let // |
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| 00:59.48 | RoyK | just let the thing be powered on and have wireshark log everything from ethX |
| 00:59.57 | petemc | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/48429.html |
| 01:00.06 | RoyK | that is, not powered on, but with the power plug |
| 01:00.14 | testdrive | I hope you find something interesting but it could be hard. If ME sends any data anywhere we don't know when it does that, what triggers it. It's possible that Intel decided to not use its features yet |
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| 01:01.18 | disbute | Maybe it's for certain targets |
| 01:01.26 | testdrive | petemc: scary stuff I will get nightmares |
| 01:01.50 | annadane | anyone mind telling me what that is before i click it? |
| 01:02.06 | testdrive | it's about Intel don't worry |
| 01:02.15 | testdrive | this technology is scary it\s what I meant |
| 01:02.18 | RoyK | I wonder what AMD has |
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| 01:02.31 | petemc | a blog covering what is being discussed |
| 01:02.38 | testdrive | https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd |
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| 01:03.14 | testdrive | "It is extremely unlikely that any post-2013 AMD hardware will ever be supported in libreboot, due to severe security and freedom issues; so severe, that the libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern AMD hardware. If you have an AMD based system affected by the problems described below, then you should get rid of it as soon as possible (...)" |
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| 01:04.12 | disbute | I wonder how powerful malware would be if someone found a exploit |
| 01:04.22 | RoyK | smells of NSA/CIA all the way |
| 01:04.24 | petemc | hella |
| 01:04.34 | testdrive | there were exploits |
| 01:04.56 | testdrive | for similar things, I can try to find links |
| 01:05.32 | klys | is there any way to get vt-d/iommu without psp/ime ? |
| 01:05.44 | petemc | idk |
| 01:06.14 | testdrive | if you read this paper https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf |
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| 01:06.19 | testdrive | I think it was stated there that you can't |
| 01:06.27 | testdrive | because ME has access to everything |
| 01:07.55 | petemc | chips on the motherboard will |
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| 01:08.22 | klys | I think the next thing will be the qfuse's that you see on modern arm systems |
| 01:08.46 | disbute | You should avoid buying lenovo laptops |
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| 01:09.07 | petemc | or anything made in china |
| 01:09.19 | klys | the arm SoC has hundreds of qualcomm's qfuse's and no one has seen the firmware that controls them yet |
| 01:09.27 | petemc | electronics on the whole |
| 01:09.44 | disbute | Most high end hardware is made in taiwan |
| 01:09.49 | dvs | dumps his laptop |
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| 01:10.42 | testdrive | disbute: lenovo laptops have backdoors right? |
| 01:10.42 | petemc | im using an arm based laptop |
| 01:10.50 | disbute | yes |
| 01:10.53 | petemc | pinebook, it kinda sucks |
| 01:11.12 | testdrive | because it\s arm? |
| 01:11.14 | disbute | https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish |
| 01:11.22 | petemc | no, the keyboard |
| 01:11.30 | testdrive | oh yeah Ive heard of superfish |
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| 01:11.48 | disbute | It's apart of the bios so it was not OS level |
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| 01:12.09 | testdrive | damn |
| 01:12.26 | testdrive | so you could install gnu/linux and it wouldn't change anything? |
| 01:12.48 | petemc | it would change the installed os |
| 01:13.00 | testdrive | petemc: can you run most of the same app on amr as on other platforms or does it have to be for arm specific? |
| 01:13.06 | testdrive | wow |
| 01:13.15 | testdrive | thats evil |
| 01:13.24 | annadane | i think, guys, #debian-offtopic would be a better place |
| 01:13.27 | annadane | as this is for debian support |
| 01:13.43 | RoyK | petemc: ok, so you should avoid anything from china, and amd, and intel - what's left? |
| 01:13.48 | testdrive | nobody is asking for support though :) |
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| 01:13.55 | testdrive | hahaha |
| 01:13.57 | RoyK | hands petemc a typewriter |
| 01:14.10 | petemc | sends RoyK a letter |
| 01:14.19 | testdrive | whats left is |
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| 01:14.38 | RoyK | the letters are probably scanned |
| 01:14.40 | testdrive | make sure we get a free CPU just like we have free OSes |
| 01:14.45 | RoyK | and they evesdrop your phone |
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| 01:14.53 | RoyK | et cetera et cetera ad infinitum |
| 01:15.04 | testdrive | yeah letters might be scanned |
| 01:15.13 | testdrive | unless you encrypt them! |
| 01:15.23 | disbute | Let's go back to paper no one can hack that |
| 01:15.24 | testdrive | GPG over mail :D |
| 01:15.43 | RoyK | disbute: what sort of machine would you use for the encryption, then? an enigma? |
| 01:15.52 | klys | the best way to make a new free cpu is to program an fpga. |
| 01:16.01 | testdrive | what is that? |
| 01:16.08 | petemc | annadane has a point, this is very off topic |
| 01:16.10 | klys | flat pin-grid array |
| 01:16.15 | disbute | By going back 3 times on the alphabet |
| 01:16.27 | RoyK | field-programmable gate array |
| 01:16.35 | klys | ^ |
| 01:16.36 | testdrive | petemc: those are important topic that everyone should know about though |
| 01:16.46 | petemc | theres a time and a place |
| 01:16.59 | RoyK | klys: that depends on the FPGA |
| 01:17.12 | RoyK | klys: I don't really know any free software for it - google might know |
| 01:17.13 | testdrive | Ive heard there were some projects to createa free cpu? |
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| 01:17.37 | RoyK | testdrive: should be doable with ARM |
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| 01:17.51 | testdrive | RoyK: really? I thought arm was closed |
| 01:17.57 | RoyK | testdrive: I mean - ARM is just a design company |
| 01:18.11 | RoyK | testdrive: eh? most phones, like 99% of them, use ARM |
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| 01:18.33 | testdrive | RoyK: yeah I know but itsn't arm secret? I\m sure it has some closed components |
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| 01:19.06 | RoyK | testdrive: they don't make CPUs, they design them and sell the design to whoever wants to make them |
| 01:19.25 | somiaj | It has been mentioned you should move this conversation else where, so please do. |
| 01:19.29 | testdrive | RoyK ooh |
| 01:19.46 | RoyK | testdrive: #debian-offtopic, perhaps? ;) |
| 01:20.03 | coruja | testdrive, RoyK, pls stop offtopic chat here, else you will be removed from here sooner or later ;) |
| 01:20.10 | testdrive | what is the reason? nobody is asking for support so we don't interrupt anybody and if someone joins we will be able to help them because we will be here |
| 01:20.17 | somiaj | !chat |
| 01:20.17 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:20.27 | RoyK | coruja: I just asked him to get to offtopic ;) |
| 01:20.32 | somiaj | looks around (: |
| 01:20.33 | testdrive | again what is the reason? |
| 01:20.57 | testdrive | RoyK: sure they clearly don't want us here :) |
| 01:21.10 | somiaj | testdrive: this is a debian support channel, even if no support is going on, it could keep users from asking actual support questions by having a drawn out off topic conversation. |
| 01:21.11 | disbute | Cause this is the support channel for debian |
| 01:21.13 | frazr | is this a support channel? |
| 01:21.18 | coruja | testdrive, supporters notice activity here and it should be asking for support then, not off-topic chat |
| 01:21.20 | annadane | frazr, yes |
| 01:21.27 | frazr | funny |
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| 01:21.58 | testdrive | and we are here to give them support but if nobody is asking questions is it better if we leave or better if we stary and talk until they join? |
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| 01:22.13 | annadane | let's just skip the argument and everyone go join #debian-offtopic |
| 01:22.16 | frazr | don't see why it can't be both, i'd say its more of a chat channel than support :Po |
| 01:22.46 | testdrive | and we talk about technology so it's not like we discuss something very irrelevant |
| 01:22.55 | coruja | frazr, then you didn't get my point |
| 01:23.08 | annadane | testdrive, you're arguing with one of the mods of the channel, i suggest you stop, irrespective of what you think |
| 01:23.16 | frazr | got your point, just think its nonsense |
| 01:23.17 | frazr | :) |
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| 01:23.40 | testdrive | annadane: why? |
| 01:23.42 | somiaj | testdrive: if you are off topic you will be quieted. Many only look at this channel when there is activity, best keep the chanel free for support. There are plenty of other channels for other conversations. A few off topic remarks are okay, but this has gone beond that. Please take this to #debian-offtopic otherwise I will start quieting people. |
| 01:23.56 | annadane | because you're likely to get banned |
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| 01:24.42 | testdrive | somiaj: why though? are we stopping anyone from getting support? especially when there is nobody here asking for support? are we bothering anyone in any way? |
| 01:25.07 | frazr | i usually join this channel when i need support for something, never recieve it and then idle |
| 01:25.12 | frazr | :) |
| 01:25.13 | annadane | "many only look at this channel when there is activity" |
| 01:25.19 | RoyK | some random chat will always happen, but when it gets too far and floods the channel, it's time to leave to #debian-offtopic or somewhere |
| 01:25.22 | somiaj | testdrive: we have explained to you why. Partly it is policy, please respect the volunteers who are here for debian support and stick on topic. |
| 01:25.36 | helloworld42 | please don't arbitrarily ban ppl, that ain't right |
| 01:25.43 | somiaj | and when multiple people have asked you to move the conversation, that means it has gone to far. so enough, lets get back to debian support. |
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| 01:26.54 | testdrive | somiaj: I am here for the same reason as you are - to give people support. You didn't answer my questions and I don\t see how this discussion is hurtinh anyone but it looks like I'm not respected here so I might not join this channel every again |
| 01:27.02 | somiaj | helloworld42: bans are temporary and only used if people keep acting a certain way. |
| 01:27.25 | somiaj | helloworld42: the ops ehre don't just ban for no reason. |
| 01:27.55 | somiaj | testdrive: it is the policy of the channel, read the factoid about chat the bot mentioned. |
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| 01:28.39 | testdrive | I guess I can't argue with policy |
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| 01:28.56 | somiaj | anyways, if there is no support going on it is prefered the channel stay topic. There are plenty of other places to have off topic conversations. |
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| 01:29.10 | klys | testdrive, #osdev |
| 01:29.50 | testdrive | klys: what do you mean? |
| 01:30.04 | somiaj | arg channel stay quiet. |
| 01:30.32 | frazr | #supportnosupport |
| 01:30.38 | RoyK | testdrive: please |
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| 01:30.56 | testdrive | RoyK: what? |
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| 02:19.15 | lindylex | I have this card 02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR5212/5213/2414 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) and when I run "lshw -C network" I get "*-network:1 UNCLAIMED" as part of the output. |
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| 02:20.43 | RoyK | lindylex: check if there's a firmware for it - probably in non-free |
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| 02:22.20 | lindylex | Is this the firmware? I got this from "lsmod" : ath5k 139264 0 |
| 02:26.18 | klys | lindylex, your ath5k kernel module probably loaded without a required firmware file in /lib/firmware. check with dmesg | less |
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| 02:27.15 | somiaj | dmesg | grep firmware might be more efficent |
| 02:27.50 | lindylex | `dmesg | grep -i ath |
| 02:27.50 | lindylex | [ 10.126765] ath5k 0000:02:09.0: registered as 'phy0' |
| 02:27.50 | lindylex | [ 10.156713] ath5k: phy0: POST Failed !!! |
| 02:27.50 | lindylex | [ 10.157091] ath5k: probe of 0000:02:09.0 failed with error -11 |
| 02:28.07 | annadane | lindylex, for future reference use paste.debian.net for more than 2 lines |
| 02:28.18 | somiaj | lindylex: we need more info, and please use paste.debian.net (give us the other lines around those lines) |
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| 02:30.56 | lindylex | Is this enough info : https://pastebin.com/yaiJxYRc |
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| 02:31.56 | somiaj | lindylex: I meant from dmesg, the grepping lost some lines before and after what you pasted from dmesg | grep -i ath |
| 02:32.14 | lindylex | ok let me add it all. |
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| 02:34.53 | lindylex | This is dmesg output : http://termbin.com/ewpd |
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| 02:38.54 | somiaj | unsure what the error ath5k: phy0: POST Failed !!! means, I thought there would be more info near the output to say what was going on |
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| 02:39.40 | lindylex | It is really strange to me. It use to work and then it stopped. |
| 02:39.52 | somiaj | lindylex: did it work before you supsended it? |
| 02:39.59 | lindylex | the card is scene with lspci |
| 02:40.14 | lindylex | I rebooted. I never suspended it. |
| 02:40.40 | somiaj | well that is almost sounding like some hardware issue. I don't seem to see much other info |
| 02:41.13 | lindylex | lspci sees it. So it is fine I assume? |
| 02:41.58 | somiaj | that only means it is seen on the bus, when the driver is loaded it access the hardware. The hardware failed to POST |
| 02:42.17 | lindylex | I rebooted. |
| 02:43.14 | lindylex | Same |
| 02:43.38 | somiaj | I see various posts on forums about issues with this, but not finding much info. To me the error is saying when the module is loaded it tries to access (turn on) the hardware, and the wifi card itself is failing to POST |
| 02:43.56 | somiaj | if you didn't change the kernel between when it worked/didn't work, it seems like hardware |
| 02:44.08 | somiaj | you are running debian stable? only getting security updates or have other stuff going on? |
| 02:44.21 | somiaj | (note it doesn't have to be a hardware issue, but it appears to be one) |
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| 02:45.01 | lindylex | This is Debian testing. |
| 02:45.18 | somiaj | there is a chance you ran across a bug, you might want to install debian stable and see if it works. |
| 02:45.27 | somiaj | (well try a live image) |
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| 02:45.51 | somiaj | but the driver is failing to POST the hardware, so in essence it is failing to properly load the card when the module is loaded. |
| 02:45.59 | lindylex | This is a old computer. I am running it as a headless audio server. |
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| 03:03.02 | lindylex | I am changing the card to see if a different card will work better. |
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| 03:11.21 | lindylex | somiaj: I fixed it. I guess the card is not working properly. |
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| 03:35.14 | ghormoon | hi, any idea what to do with dpkg that hangs on error with building dkms? tried installing kernel 4.12, have zfs installed and building spl fails (make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.) and dpkg hangs at that |
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| 03:39.10 | annadane | ghormoon, this is on stretch? |
| 03:39.34 | ghormoon | yes |
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| 03:47.49 | ghormoon | process "run-parts --report --exit-on-error --arg=4.12.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d" hangs on (strace output): "pselect6(6, [5], NULL, NULL, NULL, {[], 8}" |
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| 04:25.23 | zerocool | hi everyone :) |
| 04:25.58 | harindu95 | hey |
| 04:26.25 | zerocool | harindu95: what are you doing tonight? |
| 04:26.44 | harindu95 | just wasting time. Reading fiction. wbu? |
| 04:27.07 | zerocool | im |
| 04:27.19 | zerocool | talking to my irl friends |
| 04:27.29 | harindu95 | cool |
| 04:28.02 | harindu95 | do you use a email client? |
| 04:28.30 | zerocool | yhes |
| 04:28.33 | zerocool | yes |
| 04:28.37 | somiaj | !chat |
| 04:28.37 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:29.06 | harindu95 | lol @dpkg ok |
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| 04:32.16 | earendel | help. i have just deleted a folder via rm -rf <node> .. just wanted to delete the link. question: can i somehow undo this? it just happened. |
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| 04:34.34 | somiaj | earendel: not easily, there are ways you can scan disks for deleted files to try to recover them. |
| 04:35.17 | somiaj | rm removes the file systems info about the file, so you have to manually scan the unused part of your disk to try to recover it, and this is usually possible if they aren't to fragmented. Also you want to make sure no more writes happen to the disk as they could overwrite the files |
| 04:36.27 | earendel | i hoped so. can u just give me the exact line to execute? (at best) |
| 04:36.53 | somiaj | it isn't that easy. |
| 04:37.13 | somiaj | there is no exact line, you will recover lots of files and have to manually go through each one one at a time to see if they are what you want, and you can only get some |
| 04:37.26 | somiaj | but first you should mount the file system read only and make a copy of it, so you can use that for data recover |
| 04:37.30 | earendel | it was a folder.. maybe 100kb |
| 04:37.40 | earendel | nothing complicated.. |
| 04:37.44 | earendel | im just a bash noob. |
| 04:38.01 | earendel | please ping me somebody if you know what to do. |
| 04:38.03 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101237/how-to-recover-files-i-deleted-now-by-running-rm |
| 04:38.09 | earendel | .thanks a lot <3 |
| 04:38.17 | somiaj | this is not some that is easy. You rm'd the files, it will take a lot of work to recover it |
| 04:38.55 | somiaj | basically the files could still be on the drive. But the information about where on the drive they live is gone forever. So you have to manually do data recovery which is not an easy process |
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| 05:14.20 | preaction | i am trying to restart rsyslogd, but systemctl restart rsyslog hangs forever. how can i restart rsyslogd? |
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| 05:18.19 | somiaj | preaction: systemctl status rsyslogd give any clues? |
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| 05:19.10 | preaction | just "Warning: Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or unavailable." |
| 05:19.52 | preaction | i don't know what to look for. i can find basically no information on how to understand problems with systemd... |
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| 05:20.11 | preaction | here's the full output: https://gist.github.com/preaction/667c815d8819157eef3a6b9945d296c4 |
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| 05:24.19 | preaction | because it looks like the journal was stopped 9 months ago: Dec 01 08:37:49 cpantesters3.dh.bytemark.co.uk systemd-journal[26938]: Journal stopped |
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| 07:42.44 | gregor2 | hi |
| 07:43.31 | gregor2 | I dont get this device working: |
| 07:43.36 | gregor2 | Realtek® GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit) |
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| 07:44.20 | gregor2 | i am trying to install debian wheezy and also tried nonfree firmware. |
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| 07:44.55 | gregor2 | There is a eth0 but i just cat ping my router or anything else. |
| 07:45.22 | cossin | what do you get when calling: lspci -nv |
| 07:45.26 | gregor2 | why can this be? |
| 07:45.57 | gregor2 | alot of things |
| 07:46.20 | gregor2 | i cant copy it because i have no internet. |
| 07:48.14 | cossin | lspci -nn | grep Network |
| 07:48.17 | gregor2 | can i tell you something specific? |
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| 07:49.16 | gregor2 | doesnt output anything |
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| 07:50.22 | klys | gregor2, then your network controller isn't a pci device? |
| 07:51.09 | gregor2 | maybe |
| 07:51.14 | gregor2 | i dont know |
| 07:51.14 | cossin | if lspci show Realtek grep this line |
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| 07:51.42 | gregor2 | ok |
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| 07:53.52 | gregor2 | so |
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| 07:55.26 | klys | gregor2, please paste the contents of lspci; lsusb; lspnp; to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 07:56.02 | gregor2 | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c) |
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| 07:56.31 | gregor2 | this is one line of l |
| 07:56.39 | cossin | good |
| 07:56.52 | gregor2 | ok |
| 07:57.12 | gregor2 | one line of lspci -nn |
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| 07:57.49 | AndreasLutro | can I ask why you're installing wheezy? |
| 07:58.31 | cossin | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=104167 |
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| 07:58.57 | cossin | would be usefull for your nic problem |
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| 07:59.46 | gregor2 | i am just installing wheezy because i want to use it for burning stretch on dvd. |
| 07:59.56 | gregor2 | XD |
| 08:00.40 | gregor2 | nic problem? |
| 08:01.02 | gregor2 | would i also have this problem with stretch? |
| 08:01.04 | babilen | Why wouldn't you install stretch to begin with? |
| 08:01.09 | klys | gregor2, more like, firmware problem. |
| 08:01.19 | babilen | You need the firmware image or provide it |
| 08:01.43 | gregor2 | the link seems dead |
| 08:01.49 | babilen | dpkg: rtl8411 |
| 08:01.49 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8411 is a PCIe Gigabit Ethernet controller with an integrated card reader controller. The Ethernet controller is supported by <r8169> since Linux 3.5; a firmware patch (rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw) is packaged since firmware-realtek 0.37. The card reader (PCI ID 10ec:5289, aka "Barossa Plus Plus") is supported by the rtsx_pci module since Linux 3.8. |
| 08:02.10 | babilen | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ is dead for you? |
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| 08:02.31 | babilen | judd: v firmware-realtek |
| 08:02.32 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 08:02.59 | gregor2 | yes the second one is dead to |
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| 08:03.19 | gregor2 | oh |
| 08:03.24 | gregor2 | i just |
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| 08:04.06 | gregor2 | no probably its not dead |
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| 08:04.44 | gregor2 | the second one isnt dead |
| 08:04.59 | gregor2 | cd-including firmware |
| 08:05.04 | gregor2 | that works |
| 08:06.02 | gregor2 | i also installed the package firmware-realtek |
| 08:06.17 | gregor2 | nothing changed there |
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| 08:07.34 | klys | if you install new firmware you have to reload your modules or reboot. |
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| 08:08.21 | gregor2 | i did that already |
| 08:08.26 | gregor2 | reboot |
| 08:08.38 | gregor2 | i always rebooted |
| 08:09.14 | klys | do you have a file at finnd /lib/firmware | grep rtl8411-1.fw |
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| 08:09.20 | cossin | does dmesg show issues loading a module? |
| 08:09.23 | klys | find* |
| 08:09.44 | gregor2 | no |
| 08:09.51 | gregor2 | i dont have that filr |
| 08:11.40 | klys | gregor2, dpkg -L firmware-realtek | grep rtl8411-1.fw |
| 08:13.42 | ikonia | /w/win 2 |
| 08:13.46 | ikonia | oops, sorry |
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| 08:15.54 | gregor2 | nothimg |
| 08:16.37 | gregor2 | oh |
| 08:16.43 | gregor2 | now i found it |
| 08:17.11 | gregor2 | /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw |
| 08:17.28 | gregor2 | i have to learn all those trivks better |
| 08:17.35 | gregor2 | the tricks |
| 08:18.04 | gregor2 | like searching with find, grep and | and so on. |
| 08:18.06 | cossin | dmesg | grep -i err |
| 08:19.14 | gregor2 | its finding alot with interrupt |
| 08:19.43 | ziongate | hi all |
| 08:20.02 | gregor2 | PCI Interrupt Link... |
| 08:20.10 | ziongate | was wondering why in "unstable" there is a quite old version of eclispe available |
| 08:23.04 | gregor2 | at the end it says IPv6: eth0: link becomes ready |
| 08:24.04 | klys | that means the wire is plugged in. |
| 08:24.22 | gregor2 | yes it is |
| 08:24.38 | gregor2 | but why isnt anything working then? |
| 08:24.54 | gregor2 | if it even recognizes that? |
| 08:25.06 | klys | what's the ip of your gateway, your local interface, and your netmask? |
| 08:25.26 | gregor2 | 192.168.0.128 |
| 08:25.36 | gregor2 | thats the gateway |
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| 08:25.47 | gregor2 | 255.255.255.0 mask |
| 08:26.13 | gregor2 | and i configured 192.168.0.135 as my address |
| 08:26.15 | no_gravity | Is it possible to disable http via iptables? |
| 08:26.20 | klys | please paste the output of ifconfig -a; route -n; to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:26.38 | gregor2 | because dhcp diddnt worked. |
| 08:26.44 | no_gravity | Since browsers do not offer an easy way to disable http, I think disabling it on the OS level might be a good way to make sure I am using only https. |
| 08:28.39 | gregor2 | gateway is 0.0.0.0 it says with route -n |
| 08:28.40 | no_gravity | This seems to work: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP |
| 08:29.15 | gregor2 | what is bcast |
| 08:29.29 | gregor2 | i used the ip of the router in bcast |
| 08:29.35 | gregor2 | is that right? |
| 08:29.38 | cossin | no |
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| 08:30.02 | gregor2 | so what is broadcast? |
| 08:30.21 | cossin | 192.168.0.255 |
| 08:30.34 | gregor2 | why that |
| 08:30.52 | gregor2 | lets try that |
| 08:30.59 | cossin | your mask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:32.06 | gregor2 | so why is the broadcast 192.168.0.255? |
| 08:32.22 | klys | because it is the result of simple aritmetic. |
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| 08:32.43 | gregor2 | well it doesnt matter |
| 08:32.52 | gregor2 | its not working annyway |
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| 08:33.20 | klys | the gateway address is in the second column. the first column should say 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:33.48 | gregor2 | where? |
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| 08:34.10 | klys | in the output of route -n |
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| 08:34.42 | cossin | do: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.135; route add default gw 192.168.0.123 |
| 08:34.49 | gregor2 | now i have two rows |
| 08:35.18 | gregor2 | gateway is 192.168.0.128 |
| 08:35.23 | gregor2 | thats right |
| 08:35.29 | cossin | yes |
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| 08:35.34 | klys | can you ping 198.60.22.2 ? |
| 08:35.37 | gregor2 | and destination 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:36.06 | gregor2 | no |
| 08:36.10 | cossin | * ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.135; route add default gw 192.168.0.128 |
| 08:36.22 | klys | can you ping 192.168.0.128 ? |
| 08:36.23 | gregor2 | i cant eaven ping my router |
| 08:36.38 | gregor2 | which is on the other side of the cable |
| 08:36.59 | klys | # arp |
| 08:38.16 | klys | are you using a patch cable or a crossover cable to connect your pc to your router? |
| 08:38.38 | gregor2 | what should network be? |
| 08:38.53 | gregor2 | network 192.168.0.0 |
| 08:39.07 | gregor2 | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 08:39.28 | klys | yes those are both good values. |
| 08:39.41 | gregor2 | and now? |
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| 08:39.54 | gregor2 | i have tried everything. |
| 08:39.56 | klys | did you run arp ? |
| 08:40.09 | cossin | it looks like device driver issues |
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| 08:41.21 | klys | gregor2, # cp /etc/resolv.conf resolf.bak; dhclient -d eth0 |
| 08:41.40 | gregor2 | arp |
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| 08:41.43 | gregor2 | and now |
| 08:41.58 | gregor2 | it says address 192.168.0.128 |
| 08:42.21 | klys | probably without a corresponding mac address, though. |
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| 08:42.56 | cossin | arp -n |
| 08:43.19 | gregor2 | HWaddress incomplete |
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| 08:43.31 | gregor2 | it says with arp -n |
| 08:43.37 | klys | yeah, that's what you get for pinging unreachable addresses on your lan. |
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| 08:44.15 | gregor2 | but the address should be reachable |
| 08:44.20 | DrBunsen | Hello, is it just me or haven't I had new packages(apt-get update && upgrade) for a few weeks? Or am I just used to testing and think something is wrong with stable(currently running stable? |
| 08:44.56 | klys | drbunsen, is stable jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:45.34 | DrBunsen | klys: jupp, triple checked that tbh |
| 08:45.45 | DrBunsen | Woops, I mean stretch |
| 08:46.06 | DrBunsen | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib |
| 08:46.21 | cossin | gregor2: egrep 'net|eth0' |
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| 08:46.31 | cossin | gregor2: dmesg | egrep 'net|eth0' |
| 08:46.43 | klys | drbunsen, uhh, stretch was released somewhat recently. do you have backports and updates configurd also? |
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| 08:48.16 | DrBunsen | klys: I have no backports, I changed jessie to stretch like a year ago since I needed a few packages and didn't want to make a frankendebian, but since stretch released as stable I only had like 3 packages that needed updating. |
| 08:48.52 | gregor2 | it says a view lines and at the end eth0: link up |
| 08:49.36 | klys | drbunsen, deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian stretch-proposed-updates main contrib |
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| 08:50.43 | DrBunsen | klys, isn;t deb repoURL version main etc anymore? |
| 08:51.18 | klys | drbunsen, once it's released, it's pretty well frozen. |
| 08:51.34 | okamis | Hello, I got intel hd graphics 610, how do I get the latest driver and ensure its functioning properly. |
| 08:51.51 | okamis | Hoping it to solve my screen errors, when watching a movie sometimes a diagonal split can be seen |
| 08:52.06 | DrBunsen | klys, So I was just expecting too much updates? That would be nice |
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| 08:53.47 | klys | drbunsen, if you want stretch-proposed-updates it can be used in conjunction with your existing stretch sources. that's up to you. |
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| 08:56.04 | annadane | okamis, dmesg | grep firmware as root |
| 08:56.21 | annadane | post to paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 08:57.01 | okamis | http://paste.debian.net/985202/ |
| 08:57.32 | okamis | I just uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel before |
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| 08:59.12 | klys | okamis: apt-get install firmware-realtek firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 08:59.56 | annadane | okamis, ^ and you'll need contrib and non-free in your sources list |
| 09:00.40 | annadane | mind you apt-cache search i915 also gives xserver-xorg-video-intel which may be slightly less bloat/unnecessary stuff |
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| 09:02.17 | protonesso | rm -rf |
| 09:02.23 | okamis | okey doki |
| 09:02.44 | annadane | okamis, not that it really matters, you're probably fine with what klys said |
| 09:02.54 | okamis | how long should the rm -rf run for? |
| 09:03.20 | annadane | rm -rf? no, don't use that... |
| 09:03.45 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Not totally related to Debian but.. It will still have Debian involved in the setup :) I need to set up a storage server for a couple of IP network cameras which will be sending the video recordings to it. I have a choice between FTP and NFS protocols. Which of those two protocols is better and less resource hungry for such task? I really want to save CPU cycles on the cameras (to prevent frame loss) and as well on the storage server itself.. |
| 09:04.03 | klys | okamis, in order to set the resolution, you'll need to add something like this to your kernel commandline in grub: i915.modeset=1 video=LVDS-1:1280x800-16@60 |
| 09:05.19 | klys | hid3, nfs is easiest, ftp is les prone to cause a problem. |
| 09:05.58 | okamis | Just a sec, im good with a terminal but Im rather new to adding stuff and sources list and fixes like that. |
| 09:06.50 | hid3 | klys, easiest on what? |
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| 09:07.06 | klys | hid3, it just uses a simple mount command |
| 09:07.34 | rotaticus | rm -rf is useless as it misses the file argument ... man rm ... and stop unwitty jokes |
| 09:07.41 | annadane | not sure whether this is relevant but |
| 09:07.44 | annadane | !ftp must die |
| 09:07.44 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 09:08.25 | hid3 | come on... |
| 09:08.36 | protonesso | debain |
| 09:08.46 | hid3 | it's not about debian mirrors or anything facing internet |
| 09:08.51 | hid3 | it's a simple home setup |
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| 09:10.29 | klys | hid3, you might be able to script your ftp commands with ncftp or curl, just that I can't help you with that. |
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| 09:10.56 | hid3 | no, not going into all that wrapper stuff... |
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| 09:11.11 | hid3 | I just need to set up something efficient and resource conservative |
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| 09:12.31 | okamis | klys, annadane so I did the apt, I would just do a sidequestion here. If I leave my server over night the screen (connected to projector) stops working and I get no signal. |
| 09:13.19 | annadane | okamis, not sure about that problem, but just going back to firmware, you'll need to reboot for it to have an effect |
| 09:13.28 | klys | hid3, the things to remember with nfs are always umount when not in use, /etc/exports: /mnt m.y.i.p(rw,crossmnt,nohide,subtree_check,no_root_squash) ;and alyays specify m.y.i.p in /etc/hosts.allow also you need nfs and nfsd support in your kernels, and nfs-kernel-server on the host side. |
| 09:13.48 | okamis | alright, is it during reboot I fix kernel cmdline? |
| 09:14.12 | klys | okamis, or you can fix your grub configuration and build it into your grub menu |
| 09:14.43 | klys | just depends on if you've got it right and it works |
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| 09:15.12 | klys | you can get your current settings with fbset |
| 09:15.15 | okamis | So this part is a bit fuzzy, not knowledgeable. |
| 09:15.24 | okamis | so please help me out with more details. |
| 09:15.28 | okamis | great fbset |
| 09:15.38 | okamis | fbset not found |
| 09:15.44 | annadane | need to install it |
| 09:15.51 | klys | okamis, apt-get install fbset |
| 09:16.08 | klys | okamis, your running X windows, are you? |
| 09:16.21 | okamis | http://paste.debian.net/985203/ |
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| 09:16.47 | okamis | klys, did basic install with xfce |
| 09:16.58 | klys | okamis, next you need your video output name. you can get that from xrandr |
| 09:17.19 | okamis | cant open display. Im using ssh to connect to it |
| 09:17.45 | klys | okamis, as the user you started X with, $ xhost + |
| 09:18.02 | klys | okamis, then DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
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| 09:19.01 | klys | if your system started X as root, then # xhost + |
| 09:19.29 | okamis | Doenst work, might be related to the first problem. |
| 09:19.42 | klys | oh, DISPLAY=:0 xhost + |
| 09:20.16 | okamis | as root ($DISPLAY=:0 xhost +) correct? |
| 09:20.22 | klys | yes |
| 09:20.53 | okamis | is "$" the prompt? |
| 09:21.22 | klys | yes |
| 09:21.44 | klys | no, and yes. |
| 09:21.47 | okamis | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 09:22.05 | klys | okamis, DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 09:22.27 | klys | and you'll see something like VGA, LVDS, HDMI, or DVI |
| 09:22.46 | okamis | http://paste.debian.net/985204/ |
| 09:23.23 | okamis | Im starting the projector see if it will change to connected |
| 09:24.08 | klys | i915.modeset=1 video=HDMI-1:1920x1080-16@60 |
| 09:24.37 | klys | just test that on your kernel commandline next time you boot |
| 09:24.49 | klys | and if it works add it to your bootloader. |
| 09:25.11 | okamis | Alright |
| 09:25.40 | klys | presumably while booting, HDMI-1 is plugged in. |
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| 09:41.20 | okamis | so when I get the grub menu, If I press e I get this weird file. If I press c, I get a shell, I typed in your video settings and afterwards ran boot and it complained I didnt have a kernel |
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| 09:43.36 | okamis | Im planning to use this server as a server and sometimes use it to connect to projector to watch movies. I the HDMI-1 is not always plugged in during reboot. |
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| 09:49.57 | mrr0butt | Hi |
| 09:50.06 | password2 | hi |
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| 09:51.33 | mrr0butt | is cuda 8 toolkit broken in stretch? get gcc/c errors after installing cuda |
| 09:51.59 | mrr0butt | checking whether the C compiler works... no |
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| 09:52.46 | mrr0butt | gcc is hashed (/usr/lib/nvidia-cuda-toolkit/bin/gcc) |
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| 09:54.30 | cluelessperson | network namespaces are such a pain |
| 09:55.17 | password2 | hi cluelessperson |
| 09:55.38 | password2 | network namespaces |
| 09:55.40 | password2 | ? |
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| 09:56.57 | klys | okamis, almost missed you |
| 09:57.17 | klys | okamis, remember those are options to specity on the linux kernel commandline |
| 09:58.11 | klys | okamis, the kernel commandline starts with linux and should say something like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.11.0-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet" |
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| 09:59.24 | klys | specify* |
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| 10:00.19 | okamis | klys, Thank you, found a guide and I got it started |
| 10:00.37 | okamis | My screen still has the diagonal split when watching so maybe the hardware is the problem. |
| 10:00.52 | okamis | So how can I verify that Im running what we installed? |
| 10:01.14 | klys | okamis, it sounds like the resolution might be a problem too. perhaps you shoul try 1024x768 or splething instead |
| 10:01.37 | klys | okamis, same way as before, dmesg | grep firmware |
| 10:02.07 | klys | something* |
| 10:02.41 | okamis | dmesg | grep firmare -> http://paste.debian.net/985206/ |
| 10:03.05 | klys | okamis, looks good from this angle |
| 10:03.24 | klys | okamis, did you reinstall your intel video driver module for X ? |
| 10:03.59 | okamis | The one I uninstalled? No, according to the guide it said something about modesetting |
| 10:04.08 | klys | I think that's apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:04.24 | klys | okamis, have you edited your X configuration? |
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| 10:04.28 | okamis | yeah, I assumed my intel hd 610 was newer than 2017 |
| 10:04.40 | okamis | No I have yet touched my X configuration |
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| 10:05.10 | klys | well try that driver-intel thing again, it should possibly work now |
| 10:05.51 | okamis | so, "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel" reboot with the new i915.... settings? |
| 10:05.57 | klys | yes |
| 10:06.08 | okamis | Roger Roger! |
| 10:06.09 | klys | except this time try specifying 1024x768 |
| 10:06.17 | klys | instead of 1920x1080 |
| 10:06.19 | okamis | why though, its a hd projector |
| 10:06.25 | klys | oh |
| 10:06.36 | klys | well, if you didn't before then do now |
| 10:06.45 | okamis | 1024 its :( |
| 10:06.48 | klys | with the 1920x1080 |
| 10:06.51 | okamis | what? |
| 10:07.04 | klys | if you didn't 1920x1080 before... |
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| 10:07.11 | okamis | I did 1920 before |
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| 10:07.27 | klys | and did it start X or give you a prompt? |
| 10:07.34 | okamis | It started X |
| 10:07.43 | klys | it probably started X. just do the same |
| 10:07.51 | okamis | I got a gui |
| 10:07.55 | okamis | okay same as before it is |
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| 10:13.49 | okamis | klys, hello again, so I started vlc and I still got the diagonal disruption |
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| 10:14.32 | okamis | But is the pc configured correctly now or is something missing? |
| 10:14.43 | klys | okamis, A) you could go through the cycle a few more times, each time specifying a different resolution... |
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| 10:15.02 | klys | okamis, B) you could attempt to change the resolution with xrandr |
| 10:15.09 | cluelessperson | password2: I'm setting up a vpn, and I want certain applications to ONLY have access to the internet through that vpn. It appears that the method to do this is through network namespaces, where you estabish a seperate network environment for a process, and it's forced to use that |
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| 10:15.27 | cluelessperson | password2: the problem is network namespaces aren't persistent, so you have to script their creation, and networking is hard. |
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| 10:15.54 | cluelessperson | password2: Worse, systemd doesn't support it, even though the entire point is process/environment management. |
| 10:15.59 | cluelessperson | so, it's dificult :/ |
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| 10:16.59 | klys | okamis, does fbset reveal a 16-bit framebuffer at least? |
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| 10:18.52 | okamis | fbset > http://paste.debian.net/985210/ |
| 10:19.28 | klys | okamis, looks like either X overrode, or your option didn't make it through to the kernel |
| 10:19.55 | okamis | is it /etc/default/grub I should update to make lasting changes? |
| 10:20.01 | klys | okamis, what's xrandr say about available resolutions? |
| 10:20.08 | klys | okamis, I think so, yes. |
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| 10:22.22 | okamis | cannot open display |
| 10:22.46 | klys | okamis, # DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
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| 10:23.42 | password2 | cluelessperson, why not use subnetworks? |
| 10:23.50 | okamis | to many incorrect permutations of display command :) |
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| 10:23.59 | okamis | display 0 xrandr > http://paste.debian.net/985211/ |
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| 10:24.22 | okamis | oh hdmi-2 is connected |
| 10:24.30 | cluelessperson | password2: I don't know what the subnet will be for the vpn |
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| 10:25.08 | klys | okamis, you can add a video= line about HDMI-2 to your kernel commandline if you like. |
| 10:25.25 | okamis | I just plugged the projcetor to hdmi-1 |
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| 10:25.40 | klys | it would jsut diplicate the one about HDMI-1 so you have two video= parameters |
| 10:25.49 | klys | okamis, same problem? |
| 10:25.53 | okamis | hdmi-1 > http://paste.debian.net/985212/ |
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| 10:26.01 | okamis | same problem, got the split |
| 10:26.10 | okamis | though is what we installed correct? |
| 10:26.13 | icmp8 | does anybody know by chance how much minimum ram is needed for a 9.1 install? |
| 10:26.19 | cluelessperson | I accidentally deleted this iptables rule, how do I add it back? ufw-before-logging-input all -- anywhere anywhere |
| 10:26.19 | klys | okamis, man xrandr |
| 10:26.25 | cluelessperson | it was on chain INPUT as rule 1 |
| 10:26.33 | klys | okamis, you should find ways to select the resolution |
| 10:26.39 | cluelessperson | iptables -I -D INPUT 1 <rule_specification> |
| 10:26.40 | okamis | alright |
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| 10:28.25 | klys | okamis, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt |
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| 10:52.15 | okamis | klys, how do I apply the modedb knowledge? I tried iterate some resolutions, it makes the problem less clear but its still existing. |
| 10:52.25 | okamis | Im trying to change the refresh rate |
| 10:53.08 | klys | okamis, 60 Hz is a low refresh rate, not advisabe to go lower |
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| 11:01.37 | okamis | alright, Im still confused regarding the actions we took. The debian guide recommends uninstalling xserv-xorg-intel, you had me install it |
| 11:01.43 | okamis | klys, |
| 11:02.01 | okamis | and how do one verify that its the driver in use? |
| 11:02.21 | klys | okamis, yes, you should be able to tell what driver was used from $ less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:07.22 | xmorph | Hi |
| 11:07.25 | xmorph | I turned my computer from hibernate and then no screen displayed so i click one time on the power button and some message show for long time:"This session is locked. YOULL Be redirected to the unlock.." and i cant switch to tty. Plz help |
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| 11:08.21 | gpunk | xmorph: ctrl-alt-fx ? |
| 11:08.38 | xmorph | Which one? Its not doing any thing |
| 11:08.48 | gpunk | one to 6 |
| 11:09.00 | xmorph | Its not doing anything |
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| 11:09.07 | xmorph | All tty |
| 11:09.34 | gpunk | what kind of video card you have ? |
| 11:09.54 | xmorph | Does it matter? I dont remember i installed one |
| 11:10.18 | xmorph | So i have laptop with gpu Nvidia gtx 860m 2gb |
| 11:10.21 | gpunk | yes it does, many cases you need to install the propriatary driver |
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| 11:11.04 | xmorph | Ops it logged me out |
| 11:11.06 | xmorph | Sorry |
| 11:12.09 | xmorph | Can you repeat what you said? |
| 11:12.32 | gpunk | yes it does, many cases you need to install the propriatary driver |
| 11:13.00 | xmorph | I have laptop with cpu that it come with intel gpu and also nvidia GPU gtx 860m 2gb |
| 11:13.34 | xmorph | Maybe its problem on light-locker or light-dm? |
| 11:14.01 | gpunk | no it must be the driver, what laptop model is it ? |
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| 11:14.11 | xmorph | Y50-70 lenovo |
| 11:14.40 | xmorph | On Windows i had problems installing the latest nvidia drivers :/ |
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| 11:16.22 | gpunk | i see, |
| 11:17.40 | lavenders | my network lan goes up and down periodically, but i cannot make sense of the journalctl |
| 11:17.53 | lavenders | could y have a look at it? https://pastebin.com/RbyN50Ab |
| 11:17.58 | xmorph | What to do?? |
| 11:19.06 | okamis | klys, I skimmed through the Xorg log but Im not sure what Im looking after, searching for intel didnt really reveal any graphic drivers |
| 11:19.22 | klys | okamis, what driver did it use? |
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| 11:20.31 | at0m | okamis: grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:22.26 | gpunk | xmorph: this can help you https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/334042/lenovo-y50-70-linux-mint-18-cinnamon-nvidia-geforce-gtx-860m-driver-problem |
| 11:23.57 | xmorph | What yo do with that? There is no guide there |
| 11:24.07 | xmorph | And how is it related to gpu? |
| 11:24.23 | xmorph | Because when i dont use light-lockef i dont get this message |
| 11:24.40 | gpunk | and the tty's work ? |
| 11:24.46 | xmorph | No its not |
| 11:24.51 | xmorph | But numlock works |
| 11:25.00 | gpunk | then your problem is the gpu ... |
| 11:25.36 | xmorph | So how to fix it? There is nothing written in the link on installing |
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| 11:28.00 | lavenders | is this normal: 2 enp0s31f6 ether n/a unmanaged output form networkctl |
| 11:29.11 | klys | lavenders, is that a usb or pci-x ethernet adapter? |
| 11:29.28 | xmorph | gpunk: help plz |
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| 11:29.37 | gpunk | i am thinking |
| 11:29.39 | lavenders | my ether goes up and down freq on 1m intervalls, pastebin https://pastebin.com/vxeniqxv, it is asrock mini 110 lan on motherboard |
| 11:30.06 | klys | lavenders, what's on the other side of the cable? |
| 11:30.11 | lavenders | the cable signal is fine, tested it on notebook too |
| 11:30.15 | xmorph | Np sorry.. |
| 11:30.21 | lavenders | router simple home network |
| 11:30.25 | klys | k |
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| 11:31.02 | xmorph | Ok so i reproduced it |
| 11:31.14 | lavenders | check this in the pastebin: device (enp0s31f6): state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40] |
| 11:31.16 | lavenders | what is this? |
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| 11:32.09 | gpunk | xmorph: can I see your /var/log/Xorg.log ? |
| 11:32.16 | xmorph | Ok |
| 11:32.23 | xmorph | Just a sec cause i need tk reboot |
| 11:32.26 | xmorph | To* |
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| 11:32.51 | julius___ | hi |
| 11:33.40 | julius___ | after a long time i tried to reconnect to my openvpn server, but now it says locally: Cannot find device "tun0" how can that be when i can run "modprobe tun" without problems |
| 11:34.05 | okamis | klys, http://paste.debian.net/985216/ |
| 11:34.23 | lavenders | klys, also ifconfig i try says cmd not found |
| 11:34.59 | lavenders | oh ok ip a |
| 11:35.48 | klys | lavenders, you have some good questions, have you searched much for answers specific to that driver? |
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| 11:36.12 | xmorph_ | hi |
| 11:36.20 | xmorph_ | gpunk: i have these |
| 11:36.26 | gpunk | ok |
| 11:36.28 | klys | okamis, looks like it's using the vesa driver. do we need an xorg.conf file to make it use intel? |
| 11:36.30 | lavenders | isnt it kernel driver itself |
| 11:36.53 | xmorph_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/7H9BJW4C |
| 11:37.17 | gpunk | Xorg.0.log |
| 11:37.27 | klys | lavenders, your driver is somewhere in dmesg and has something to do with asrock mini 110 |
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| 11:38.34 | towo` | debian is using the modesetting ddx by default |
| 11:38.59 | towo` | if you want to use the intel-ddx, you have to create a xorg.conf snipped |
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| 11:39.38 | okamis | klys, not sure but I will try to solve it. I have to leave for other matters. Thank you for the help, appreciate it |
| 11:39.46 | lavenders | klys, interesting dmesg gets me to this [56394.250929] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp2s0: link is not ready |
| 11:39.48 | lavenders | [56448.246153] e1000e: enp0s31f6 NIC Link is Down |
| 11:39.49 | klys | k |
| 11:39.50 | lavenders | [56450.845691] e1000e: enp0s31f6 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx |
| 11:39.52 | lavenders | [56450.845708] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6 enp0s31f6: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO |
| 11:40.01 | lavenders | it repeats over and over |
| 11:40.20 | gpunk | lavenders: might be a bad cable |
| 11:40.50 | klys | lavenders, sometimes with loadable modules especially there can be an option to reduce the speed and/or specify the duplex. |
| 11:40.58 | xmorph_ | gpunk: is it contain something sensitive/personal? |
| 11:41.08 | gpunk | no, dont worry |
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| 11:44.48 | greenJim | hi everybody |
| 11:45.02 | greenJim | I booted my laptop today |
| 11:45.20 | greenJim | but I cannot enter the passphrase to decrypt my disk |
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| 11:45.34 | klys | :) i can't help |
| 11:45.40 | greenJim | entering in GRUB command mode shows I got an US keyboard layout |
| 11:46.14 | greenJim | so, I wonder how to set back my real KB layout FR |
| 11:46.28 | xmorph_ | gpunk: http://termbin.com/zq4y |
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| 11:49.00 | gpunk | xmorph_: you need to install the proper drivers |
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| 11:50.09 | greenJim | OK |
| 11:50.11 | gpunk | xmorph: can you read french ? |
| 11:50.26 | gpunk | otherwise i ll have to walk you thru it ... |
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| 11:50.37 | xmorph | Brb |
| 11:51.07 | xmorph_ | why do you think i need to install the proper drivers? |
| 11:51.24 | greenJim | kernel 4.12 boots in US, previous kernel 4.11 boots in FR |
| 11:51.28 | gpunk | because you are loading a fallback driver |
| 11:51.29 | greenJim | problem solved |
| 11:51.38 | gpunk | i readed it in your xorg.log |
| 11:52.39 | towo` | gpunk, no, there is loaded the exact right driver |
| 11:52.50 | gpunk | vesa ? LoL |
| 11:52.55 | towo` | it's modesetting and that's the default driver for intel |
| 11:52.56 | lavenders | i switched to new cable, and removed wifi card, lets see |
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| 11:53.18 | towo` | gpunk, modesetting != vesa |
| 11:53.29 | towo` | gpunk, read the log again |
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| 11:54.00 | towo` | since x is autocinfiguring, it loads all usable drivers |
| 11:54.49 | towo` | but tha last and used driver is modesetting, which is the default dribver for intel |
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| 11:54.57 | greenJim | somebody knows how to report this problem ? |
| 11:55.13 | xmorph_ | gpunk: where does it said it? |
| 11:55.37 | coruja | towo`, but he stated earlier having a nvidia gpu |
| 11:55.48 | atralheaven | Hi, How can I log how many GBs port X have used in a month? thanks |
| 11:55.49 | towo` | coruja, no, he has optimus |
| 11:56.01 | coruja | ok |
| 11:56.09 | xmorph_ | help.. |
| 11:56.14 | gpunk | so he needs bumblbee ... etc |
| 11:56.21 | towo` | needs? |
| 11:57.03 | xmorph_ | if there was problem with gpu then how could i see some message? |
| 11:57.13 | gpunk | xmorph_: you need to install drivers, you wanna do it or not ? |
| 11:57.15 | xmorph_ | or not having drivers |
| 11:57.19 | coruja | greenJim, if you are sure that the error is not on your side, file a bug against the 4.12 kernel package |
| 11:57.37 | xmorph_ | im asking how do you know i need to install drivers? because i could see some message |
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| 11:57.48 | xmorph_ | where does it saying so or you are just guessing? |
| 11:58.30 | gpunk | your laptop needs bumblebee-nvidia primus ! |
| 11:58.39 | gpunk | that s a fact |
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| 11:59.43 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee , so you read this ... it s in french sorry |
| 11:59.57 | JohnTitor | atralheaven: you cant unless you setup something like vnstat for grabbing all the data |
| 12:00.21 | greenJim | coruja: it is very strange; I checked the apt history and the last daily changes nothing to kernels |
| 12:00.24 | JohnTitor | atralheaven: so e.g vnstat while enabled will take statistics |
| 12:00.51 | coruja | greenJim, but you must have got 4.12 from somewhere ;) |
| 12:00.55 | xmorph_ | gpunk: where does it say in the logs? |
| 12:00.59 | greenJim | coruja: but I am not able to decrypt my disk if I boot using kernel 4.12 |
| 12:01.15 | greenJim | coruja: and it works if I use 4.11 |
| 12:01.24 | gpunk | it doesnt .... |
| 12:02.01 | greenJim | coruja: 4.12 came with another upgrade and I already rebooted without problem since then |
| 12:02.09 | xmorph_ | gpunk: so you are guessing? |
| 12:02.14 | gpunk | i just know it |
| 12:02.23 | greenJim | coruja: I am just getting this problem today |
| 12:02.25 | xmorph_ | i just dont want to do something that might break my system |
| 12:02.26 | gpunk | xmorph_: one more time, and stop talking to you |
| 12:02.35 | xmorph_ | plz understand me |
| 12:02.46 | coruja | greenJim, then you should have a closer look on your latest upgrades |
| 12:02.47 | JohnTitor | ,kernels |
| 12:02.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc7-686-pae (4.13~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: |
| 12:02.49 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2) |
| 12:02.56 | gpunk | i am not going to explain to a 1000 lines log |
| 12:02.56 | xmorph_ | gpunk: how to install it? |
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| 12:03.14 | gpunk | sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus |
| 12:03.27 | gpunk | it is in the linka sent you |
| 12:03.41 | coruja | greenJim, maybe something related to locales or keyboard settings - btw stable comes with 4.9, what are you using then? |
| 12:03.54 | JohnTitor | gpunk: or you can point them to the fine wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 12:04.05 | gpunk | i did :) |
| 12:04.08 | greenJim | coruja: I am in buster |
| 12:04.11 | xmorph_ | what after that? |
| 12:04.24 | gpunk | after that , reboot |
| 12:04.28 | xmorph_ | and then? |
| 12:04.42 | gpunk | fixed |
| 12:04.48 | xmorph_ | can anyone confirm it? |
| 12:04.55 | JohnTitor | confirm what? |
| 12:05.00 | xmorph_ | what he said will work |
| 12:05.11 | JohnTitor | did you read the wiki? |
| 12:05.16 | xmorph_ | i dont understand where in the logs he think it's gpu problem |
| 12:05.22 | gpunk | xmorph_: dont talk to me anymore |
| 12:05.28 | coruja | greenJim, as i said check your latest upgrades then (and btw2, support for buster/unstable usually goes to oftc's #debian-next) |
| 12:05.40 | greenJim | OK |
| 12:05.50 | JohnTitor | dpkg: give greenJim debian-next |
| 12:05.50 | dpkg | gives greenJim debian-next |
| 12:05.53 | JohnTitor | :S |
| 12:05.54 | greenJim | I change to #debian-next channel |
| 12:06.11 | greenJim | thank you anyway |
| 12:06.12 | xmorph_ | .________. |
| 12:06.22 | xmorph_ | gpunk: what is your PROBLEM to tell me where do you see it in the log? |
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| 12:06.45 | xmorph_ | if it's graphics problem how could i see some text displayed? |
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| 12:08.35 | xmorph_ | how do i check if the installation works and also the graphics card work? |
| 12:09.48 | xmorph_ | " using the PRIME functionality of the open-source nouveau driver, which allows GPU switching and powersaving but offers poor performance compared to the proprietary NVIDIA driver and may cause issues with sleep and hibernate" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus |
| 12:10.01 | xmorph_ | "cause issues with sleep and hibernate" |
| 12:10.04 | AndChat182964 | What's so special in any wrapper |
| 12:10.08 | AndChat182964 | Why it's called wrapper |
| 12:10.15 | AndChat182964 | How they are different from other programs |
| 12:10.25 | AndChat182964 | Where can I get the list of all wrappers |
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| 12:10.56 | xmorph_ | !wrapper |
| 12:11.03 | AndChat182964 | Which wrappers do you use or know about; which are more popular and frequently used |
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| 12:11.32 | JohnTitor | huh? |
| 12:11.38 | xmorph_ | ignore him |
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| 12:13.09 | AndChat182964 | Ok |
| 12:13.23 | xmorph_ | AndChat182964: where do you see wrapper? |
| 12:13.39 | xmorph_ | give context.. |
| 12:13.49 | AndChat182964 | I came across rlwrap |
| 12:13.53 | JohnTitor | xmorph_: so you tell me to ignore him, but you dont? |
| 12:14.10 | AndChat182964 | He told me to ignore |
| 12:14.20 | AndChat182964 | You!!!!! |
| 12:14.24 | xmorph_ | relax |
| 12:14.25 | JohnTitor | pfff |
| 12:14.48 | JohnTitor | xmorph_: go fix your shit then start helping others |
| 12:15.00 | xmorph_ | cant |
| 12:15.00 | AndChat182964 | What's his problem |
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| 12:16.56 | xmorph_ | im going to dare and install that software |
| 12:17.00 | xmorph_ | it might break my system.. |
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| 12:18.50 | xmorph_ | gpunk: what is the next line? |
| 12:18.53 | xmorph_ | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386 |
| 12:18.56 | xmorph_ | is it x64? |
| 12:18.58 | xmorph_ | it's better? |
| 12:19.13 | xmorph_ | i have x64 |
| 12:19.29 | gpunk | no, leave as is |
| 12:19.35 | xmorph_ | ok |
| 12:19.40 | xmorph_ | wish me luck |
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| 12:19.55 | AndChat182964 | Don't worry |
| 12:19.56 | xmorph_ | E: Package 'bumblebee-nvidia' has no installation candidate |
| 12:20.01 | xmorph_ | :D |
| 12:20.01 | AndChat182964 | Everything is fixable |
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| 12:22.31 | gpunk | xmorph_: did you fix your /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 12:22.40 | xmorph_ | no |
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| 12:24.07 | xmorph_ | gpunk: what to do there? |
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| 12:24.34 | gpunk | are you running debian ? which version ? |
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| 12:25.12 | xmorph_ | yes |
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| 12:26.08 | xmorph_ | debian 9.1 |
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| 12:26.56 | gpunk | can you show me your /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 12:27.16 | xmorph_ | yes |
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| 12:27.37 | xmorph_ | http://termbin.com/ml4k |
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| 12:30.18 | gpunk | xmorph_: add " non-free contrib" at then end of each line , then do "apt update" |
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| 12:32.39 | xmorph_ | gpunk: where do you see it's gpu problem? |
| 12:33.04 | gpunk | aha you still playing boy |
| 12:33.16 | gpunk | screw you and your problem then |
| 12:33.25 | xmorph_ | you want to break my debian fuck you |
| 12:33.43 | xmorph_ | so hard to say where do you see the PROBLEM? |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 12:33.51 | AndreasLutro | well that escalated quickly |
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| 12:34.28 | gpunk | i already answered idiot |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | gpunk: please stop with the name calling |
| 12:35.01 | xmorph_ | gpunk: you said you don't want to say because it's 1000 long lines |
| 12:35.11 | xmorph_ | [15:02] <gpunk> i am not going to explain to a 1000 lines log |
| 12:35.12 | gpunk | good by nice person |
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| 12:37.10 | xmorph_ | gpunk: why do you think it's the problem? |
| 12:38.27 | towo` | xmorph_, what is your exact problem? |
| 12:38.37 | towo` | i joined too late |
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| 12:39.05 | xmorph_ | in short: when i wake my computer from hibernate there is no display and when i click power button i see message that tell me to wait |
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| 12:41.18 | towo` | xmorph_, can be gpu related (optimus crap) |
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| 12:41.35 | towo` | the best would be to disable the nvidia gpu complete |
| 12:41.36 | xmorph_ | im asking how is it gpu related if i can see some message |
| 12:41.53 | towo` | xmorph_, there is no message in the xlog for that problem |
| 12:42.09 | towo` | it's a problem in general for that crap optimus tech |
| 12:42.48 | towo` | xmorph_, you have two gpus, which are both handled by acpi for powermanagement |
| 12:43.05 | xmorph_ | but how do i know it's gpu problem.. |
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| 12:43.49 | towo` | xmorph_, because it's well known, that nvidia dgpus have such problems |
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| 12:44.00 | xmorph_ | but i dont have nvidia ? |
| 12:44.01 | towo` | especialy in optimus setups |
| 12:44.31 | towo` | xmorph_, sure you have |
| 12:44.34 | xmorph_ | im saying i dont have nvidia software/driver.. |
| 12:44.40 | towo` | xmorph_, you have intel and nvidia |
| 12:44.51 | xmorph_ | and if i disable light-locker this problem disappear |
| 12:44.59 | towo` | xmorph_, you have nvidia software for sure! |
| 12:45.02 | xmorph_ | so how is it gpu problem :/ |
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| 12:45.24 | icmp8 | since 1,5 hours |
| 12:45.27 | towo` | xmorph_, you have the nouveau kernel module and nouveau-ddx installed |
| 12:45.51 | xmorph_ | $ ls /proc/driver/* /proc/driver/rtc |
| 12:45.54 | towo` | and i would oracle, the nouveau kernel-module is the real problem for that syspend issue |
| 12:46.23 | xmorph_ | im iterating on google results about graphics information and i dont see nvidia in the output on any commands i did till |
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| 12:48.28 | xmorph_ | so |
| 12:48.45 | xmorph_ | doing that [15:30] <gpunk> xmorph_: add " non-free contrib" at then end of each line , then do "apt update" can cause any problem or break debian? |
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| 12:49.36 | xmorph_ | oh |
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| 12:50.08 | xmorph_ | on lscpi-v i see my graphics card doesit mean i have it installed? |
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| 12:51.16 | xmorph_ | it's displaying information |
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| 12:51.27 | xmorph_ | lspci is displaying information. |
| 12:52.34 | xmorph_ | so on glxinfo i dont see nvidia.. so it mean it does not run on X |
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| 12:54.57 | vlt | iCherry: |
| 12:55.03 | vlt | sorry |
| 12:55.08 | iCherry | yes? |
| 12:55.20 | vlt | wrong tab completion |
| 12:55.25 | iCherry | ah ok |
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| 13:03.47 | xmorph_ | adding non-free contrib to each line in resources will break debian? |
| 13:03.49 | RoyK | xmorph_: if lspci sees the card, doesn't mean you have drivers for it |
| 13:03.56 | RoyK | no, it won't |
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| 13:03.59 | abrotman | xmorph_: try it and see, seriously |
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| 13:04.14 | xmorph_ | "try it and see" see it wil break your system |
| 13:04.18 | xmorph_ | abrotman: laugh at me |
| 13:04.19 | xmorph_ | :< |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | have you tried Windows? |
| 13:04.25 | xmorph_ | yes |
| 13:04.26 | RoyK | xmorph_: I use contrib in a *lot* of systems |
| 13:04.33 | xmorph_ | abrotman: what about windows? |
| 13:04.40 | RoyK | what might break things are bad packages, not a repo |
| 13:04.50 | xmorph_ | i see |
| 13:04.55 | xmorph_ | i just noob and dont know much |
| 13:05.05 | RoyK | just trying to help :) |
| 13:05.38 | xmorph_ | np |
| 13:05.40 | coruja | using anything from outside debian sources may break your system |
| 13:05.42 | xmorph_ | idk what abrotman mean |
| 13:05.52 | xmorph_ | i used windows |
| 13:06.17 | xmorph_ | and it installed latest nvidia software which cause BSOD and more problems. also i opened some folder and it opened twice and couldn't fix it |
| 13:06.28 | xmorph_ | also because forcing updates and it reboot |
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| 13:10.08 | RoyK | xmorph_: and btw, don't use packages from sid etc. that will quite possibly break a few things |
| 13:10.28 | xmorph_ | sid? |
| 13:10.33 | RoyK | xmorph_: if you need newer packages, look in backports |
| 13:10.35 | RoyK | !sid |
| 13:10.35 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 13:11.27 | xmorph_ | i dont use it? |
| 13:11.49 | xmorph_ | am i use it? |
| 13:11.50 | RoyK | xmorph_: I was just telling you, since you're new at this |
| 13:11.54 | xmorph_ | oh ok |
| 13:11.55 | xmorph_ | thanks |
| 13:11.56 | RoyK | you probably aren't |
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| 13:13.14 | RoyK | but some people tend to need or want this or that particular fresh version of a package, and adds the sid repo. done it myself (15+ years back?) and it may work, somehow, but it usually messes up things rather badly |
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| 13:17.24 | xmorph_ | gpunk: do i need to add to each line non-free contrib? |
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| 13:17.38 | gpunk | yes |
| 13:17.56 | gpunk | dont forget the first space |
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| 13:45.10 | komas | Hi |
| 13:45.17 | komas | gpunk: |
| 13:45.24 | gpunk | hi |
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| 13:45.28 | komas | Its still not aork |
| 13:45.40 | gpunk | what did you do ? |
| 13:45.42 | komas | I installed what you said |
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| 13:46.20 | komas | I installed the nvidia.. |
| 13:46.55 | gpunk | apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus you did this ? |
| 13:46.59 | komas | Yes |
| 13:47.09 | gpunk | no errors during the install ? |
| 13:47.12 | komas | No |
| 13:47.29 | gpunk | can I see you /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 13:47.42 | komas | I have to reboot again :/ |
| 13:47.48 | gpunk | why ? |
| 13:48.03 | komas | Because i went to hibernate |
| 13:48.21 | komas | And then resume but it didnt work |
| 13:48.21 | gpunk | and you cant log back on ? |
| 13:48.32 | komas | No |
| 13:48.46 | gpunk | ok be my guest |
| 13:48.53 | komas | What? |
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| 13:50.04 | gpunk | reboot then ... |
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| 13:51.04 | komas_ | hi |
| 13:51.17 | komas_ | gpunk: http://termbin.com/omqp |
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| 13:53.49 | gpunk | can we see you dmesg ? |
| 13:53.54 | gpunk | your* |
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| 13:57.24 | komas_ | how |
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| 13:58.27 | komas_ | gpunk: how much lines? |
| 13:58.38 | gpunk | all of it :) |
| 13:59.01 | komas_ | it's 831 lines |
| 13:59.11 | gpunk | yes... |
| 13:59.36 | komas_ | is there anything sensitive or personal in there? |
| 13:59.49 | gpunk | nope |
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| 13:59.55 | Dreddo | hello all |
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| 14:00.34 | Dreddo | it's normal that XnView isn't included in debian ? |
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| 14:00.52 | Dreddo | I mean the famous images viewer |
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| 14:01.07 | komas_ | gpunk: http://termbin.com/1ggv |
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| 14:01.22 | abrotman | Dreddo: there are many others .. what's special about that one? |
| 14:01.51 | Dreddo | abrotman, why isn't included in repository ? |
| 14:02.21 | themill | By XnView do you mean v? |
| 14:02.22 | abrotman | Dreddo: what's the license? |
| 14:02.24 | themill | xv? |
| 14:02.39 | themill | (xv is non-free and the 1990s want it back) |
| 14:02.45 | Dreddo | ahaa ok, excuse me, now >I read license , it's not gnu |
| 14:02.54 | Dreddo | excuse me for the stupid question |
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| 14:04.02 | Dreddo | 'cause I know XnView very well , I used it in past under win |
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| 14:05.25 | abrotman | Dreddo: they have packages for Debian, have you tried them? |
| 14:05.28 | gpunk | komas_: there are many ACPI errors ... |
| 14:05.41 | komas_ | and? |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | well, .deb packages .. maybe not for Debian |
| 14:06.09 | gpunk | komas_: i dont know, is your bios up to date ? |
| 14:06.15 | komas_ | yes |
| 14:06.31 | venus- | anyone knows about InspIRCd-2.0 on debian ? |
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| 14:06.52 | komas_ | gpunk: how is bios related here? |
| 14:07.09 | gpunk | i am not sure, i am looking ... |
| 14:08.03 | gpunk | can you run this: optirun glxgears -info |
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| 14:09.05 | komas_ | [ 1240.887139] [ERROR]You've no permission to communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the 'bumblebee' group [ 1240.887156] [ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running? |
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| 14:11.55 | komas_ | hmm |
| 14:12.02 | komas_ | b$ cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch 0000:01:00.0 OFF |
| 14:12.12 | komas_ | brb |
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| 14:13.26 | komas | Help gpunk ? |
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| 14:15.14 | gpunk | service bumblebeed restart |
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| 14:15.27 | komas | On my bios its switchable graphics |
| 14:15.31 | komas | gpunk: |
| 14:15.33 | gpunk | and add your self to bumblebee group |
| 14:15.50 | gpunk | in the bios, put it as hybrid |
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| 14:16.32 | komas | I only have swithable and UMA |
| 14:16.41 | komas | Which one then? |
| 14:17.08 | gpunk | try switchable first then ... |
| 14:17.17 | komas | Its selected already |
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| 14:17.45 | gpunk | then put on UMA , and see if the commend runs |
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| 14:18.06 | komas | Which comamnd? |
| 14:18.18 | gpunk | optirun... |
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| 14:18.34 | komas | Do you know what is UMA? |
| 14:18.46 | gpunk | no |
| 14:18.53 | komas | The fuck |
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| 14:19.27 | RoyK | what is UMA? |
| 14:19.34 | gpunk | i dont care |
| 14:19.37 | komas_ | google it |
| 14:19.39 | komas_ | he is trolling me |
| 14:19.42 | komas_ | plz op ban him |
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| 14:20.38 | tomocha_________ | Unidentified Mysterious Animal :) |
| 14:20.49 | komas_ | op?? |
| 14:21.16 | gpunk | lmao |
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| 14:23.23 | komas_ | gpunk: do you know what is the problem? |
| 14:23.51 | gpunk | i think the nvidia part is not activated |
| 14:24.01 | gpunk | so you are not on hybrid |
| 14:24.11 | gpunk | so if uma means hybrid |
| 14:24.14 | gpunk | try it ! |
| 14:24.30 | komas_ | uma means only intel graphics will work |
| 14:24.50 | gpunk | if you know why you ask me ? |
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| 14:25.28 | komas_ | gpunk: because you just offer stupid things and don't know how to solve it |
| 14:25.31 | komas_ | fuck you! |
| 14:25.46 | komas_ | you told me to install stupid things |
| 14:25.50 | gpunk | because you are stupid, sorry |
| 14:25.58 | komas_ | you are stupid |
| 14:26.04 | gpunk | i am ignoring you, bye |
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| 14:26.10 | komas_ | bye fuck ass |
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| 14:26.27 | HeXiLeD | ...love is in the air ... |
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| 14:26.49 | tomocha_________ | thanks... |
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| 14:36.09 | gics | i have a problem with php-cli, dpkg -s tell me is installed, but whereis php-cli says "php-cli:" with no executable path |
| 14:36.23 | gics | i'm on a stable release |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | gics: dpkg -L php-cli | grep bin |
| 14:36.53 | gics | abrotman, nothing |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | gics: sorry, dpkg -L php7.0-cli | grep bin |
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| 14:38.46 | gics | abrotman, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1286f07b/ |
| 14:39.04 | gics | phar?? what is? |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | so that's your binary |
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| 14:39.48 | gics | abrotman, phar is my binary? |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | /usr/bin/php7.0 |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | there's probably a symlink also |
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| 14:41.36 | gics | abrotman, you are right! php7.0 is my executable |
| 14:41.46 | gics | now i check the ln thing |
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| 14:44.14 | gics | abrotman, you are right on symlink too. But i don't understand why it doesn't point to /usr/bin/php7.0 but to /etc/alternatives/php |
| 14:45.18 | gics | abrotman, maybe because my vps provider installed it in this way i don't know. The good thing is i finally found what i was looking for :) |
| 14:45.26 | gics | abrotman, thank you for your help! |
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| 14:54.18 | JordiGH | What's the right way to get npm on stretch? I see there's a package for it on sid, although I think it's outdated. |
| 14:55.03 | JordiGH | Ah: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#libv8 |
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| 14:58.46 | abrotman | gics: that's how it's supposed to work |
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| 15:09.39 | komas | Hello oooooooo |
| 15:09.45 | komas | Hows everyone doing? |
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| 15:13.25 | gpunk | thank you, he came in PV i insulted me very much |
| 15:13.32 | gpunk | he* |
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| 15:24.32 | dmkeast | JohnTitor: I think all the nodejs stuff is unsupported in debian. If you doing anything serious with it you should probably go outside of the repos |
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| 15:25.05 | dmkeast | ack, sorry not JohnTitor. JordiGH has gone... |
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| 15:25.19 | JohnTitor | dmkeast: sorry? |
| 15:25.36 | JohnTitor | ah, np |
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| 15:25.45 | dmkeast | sorry. tab comppletion + me being an idiot |
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| 15:26.05 | JohnTitor | no problem |
| 15:26.07 | JohnTitor | all the nodejs for you guys |
| 15:26.12 | JohnTitor | :P |
| 15:26.53 | JohnTitor | ah he left |
| 15:26.53 | dmkeast | all the rage these days. i'm being told that it's the inevitable future that it'll be what i'm using at work |
| 15:27.16 | JohnTitor | I know a couple of things about the future |
| 15:27.28 | dmkeast | haha. so i've heard |
| 15:27.55 | JohnTitor | regarding nodejs I dont think using it from repos is the way to go |
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| 15:28.38 | dmkeast | El Psy Congroo |
| 15:29.15 | dmkeast | yep. part of what makes me not want to use it... it's like they're burning the foundations to the ground every 5 minutes |
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| 15:31.00 | SuperTramp83 | dmkeast: https://github.com/creationix/nvm That is how I got it |
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| 16:29.54 | mrr0butt | due to a lack of supported gcc version in debian |
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| 16:34.39 | mrr0butt | trying to build this: https://github.com/tpruvot/ccminer/tree/cuda-8 |
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| 16:55.53 | mrr0butt | nonfree cuda 8 stretch package not stable at all |
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| 16:58.19 | somiaj | if that requires a newer gcc than is in debian, you then have to backport gcc as well. Have you looked at the bug reports for the cuda package, maybe the bug you have found is known and there is a work around. |
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| 16:59.43 | mrr0butt | no it requires the old gcc and i couldnt find older version in stretch backports of gcc or cuda |
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| 17:01.30 | tsomi | Hi. Does anyone know how to enforce a yaboot install instead of GRUB2 on unstable/powerpc? Looks like someone made it the default on powermacs now, but it’s just broken. Thanks. |
| 17:03.21 | somiaj | mrr0butt: how old? |
| 17:03.38 | mrr0butt | gcc >= 4.9 |
| 17:04.02 | somiaj | and how is gcc 6 not >= 4.9? |
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| 17:04.46 | mrr0butt | *<= |
| 17:04.50 | mrr0butt | sry |
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| 17:05.21 | n4dir | tsomi: are you speaking of the installer iso? as far i can tell there is no unstable installer iso. |
| 17:05.37 | n4dir | there is a channel for ppc, i forgot the exact name (is pretty silent anyway) |
| 17:05.59 | somiaj | mrr0butt: I would look at what the debian package does to compile it on gcc from stretch. I only see gcc 6 and 5. The older gcc packages from jessie might work, but I would try to debug what is wrong with the cuda package provided. |
| 17:06.40 | jhutchins | !ppc |
| 17:06.40 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:06.53 | n4dir | that was easy, thanks jhutchins |
| 17:07.42 | mrr0butt | its cuda pkg from stretch non-free |
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| 17:15.14 | tsomi | n4dir: i’m using mini.iso (201708) in expert mode because that’s what the Debian PowerPC FAQ suggests. Reading the ppc list it looks like someone lobbied for GRUB2 by default on NewWorld powermacs, but it just looks broken (partman still does a yaboot partitionning). I’m looking for a way to get the old yaboot behaviour back (undocumented installer param?) |
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| 17:19.16 | somiaj | tsomi: you should be able to just skip the grub part, does it not give other options? if not you'll have to manually install the boot laoder. |
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| 17:24.05 | tsomi | somiaj: Base installation fails and stops at 1% because it looks for a /target/boot/grub/ partition that partman doesn’t create at all. If it were a simple shell script i’d just comment out this part in a few seconds, but d-i is a complicated beast... |
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| 17:25.20 | somiaj | tsomi: maybe try to track down an older .iso, the jessie one might work, then upgrade from there. |
| 17:25.59 | somiaj | I'm unsure on the details for power-pc, but I thought grub wasn't insatlled until the end, so I'm surprised it is copying things to /boot/grub during the base system. |
| 17:26.17 | somiaj | but I have always used grub, so I may have just not noticed it is considered part of the boot system. |
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| 17:30.38 | tsomi | somiaj: Yes i’m surprised too. There’s an "install yaboot bootloader" part in the install menu that appears later, but the earlier base system step hardcodes some grub stuff it seems. I’ve never found a way to tell the installer "ignore this and just go on". |
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| 17:33.06 | tsomi | I think I’ll just install OpenBSD then, their installer is just a very simple and short shell script i can hack around when something goes wrong. Debian just tries to be too clever and complicated sometimes. Thanks anyway, cheers. |
| 17:33.38 | BenLue | hello together, how can i remove the path="*" entry in my default.xml. Was trying with $sed 's/path="*"//g' default.xml but the Wildcard isnt working :/ https://gist.github.com/BenJule/15d7fc34cd9e3b78218160253d30557e |
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| 17:37.02 | somiaj | BenLue: * has meaning to regex, so you need to escape it, \* |
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| 17:37.31 | somiaj | that makes it a literal * instead of regex symobl. |
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| 17:39.27 | BenLue | somiaj: yeah but now the path is still there like: vendor/cmsdk |
| 17:39.52 | BenLue | <project vendor/cmsdk" name="cm_platform_sdk" remote="th" revision="n" /> |
| 17:40.49 | somiaj | BenLue: oh I miss understood you. You want path="ndk" and various other things like that removed, so you want a wild card. |
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| 17:41.52 | somiaj | BenLue: you need to be careful what wild card you use, as regex can sometimes be greedy. try something like \w+ (this should only pick up words, no spaces or other symbols) |
| 17:42.18 | BenLue | like: <project path="external/unzip" name="android_external_unzip" /> in <project name="android_external_unzip" /> |
| 17:42.44 | somiaj | BenLue: oh you do have some non word character in there. What sort of non word characters do you have |
| 17:43.01 | somiaj | BenLue: try this path="\S+" (that will pick up any non-white space |
| 17:43.07 | somiaj | you don't have any spaces in that string do you? |
| 17:43.13 | BenLue | https://gist.github.com/BenJule/15d7fc34cd9e3b78218160253d30557e |
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| 17:44.16 | somiaj | you could also just do path\S+ and that will pick up everytying up to the white space. |
| 17:45.00 | somiaj | If you had a space in there I forget if path=".+" would work, or be greedy and not get the first " after....my regex isn't the gratest |
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| 17:45.32 | BenLue | sed 's/path="\S+"//g' default.xml |
| 17:45.47 | rue_mohr_ | where is the new "xorg.conf" and whats it called? |
| 17:45.58 | somiaj | rue_mohr_: by default there won't be one |
| 17:46.07 | rue_mohr_ | ok it cant find any screens |
| 17:46.10 | somiaj | rue_mohr_: everything is autodetected, create one if you need it. |
| 17:46.30 | somiaj | rue_mohr_: check the log file to see what it is trying to detect and why it failed. Also what video card and drivers are y ou trying to use? |
| 17:46.31 | rue_mohr_ | X wont come up, it cant find any screens |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | rue_mohr_: check your X logs |
| 17:47.25 | rue_mohr_ | invalid /dev/fb[0] |
| 17:47.35 | rue_mohr_ | no such file or dir |
| 17:48.19 | rue_mohr_ | devices detected but dont match config file, no screens found |
| 17:50.05 | BenLue | somiaj: path="S+" will nothing change |
| 17:50.21 | rue_mohr_ | ah, it mentions /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | rue_mohr_: what is your video card? |
| 17:50.26 | rue_mohr_ | nvidia |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | is so surprised |
| 17:50.36 | BenLue | *path="\S+" will nothing change |
| 17:50.42 | rue_mohr_ | GF106 |
| 17:50.45 | abrotman | rue_mohr_: you may need to install the binary-only drivers? |
| 17:50.58 | rue_mohr_ | nvidia-driver via debain |
| 17:52.01 | rue_mohr_ | so, either I need to delete a file somewhere thats wrong, or I need to run a program to make one? |
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| 18:16.31 | Guest34247 | when i try to do a regex on a file doesn't work. |
| 18:16.34 | Guest34247 | egrep '.*[MF][\d]{5}.*' test.txt |
| 18:16.44 | Guest34247 | on command line. |
| 18:16.56 | Guest34247 | anyone else experience on debian? |
| 18:16.58 | Guest34247 | OS. |
| 18:17.11 | Guest34247 | gives me empty result. |
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| 18:25.20 | clemens3 | why is the square brackets around the digit? |
| 18:26.02 | clemens3 | you want M or F, or MF? |
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| 18:28.41 | format_c | Guest34247, depends on what you want to match |
| 18:28.46 | somiaj | BenLue: add a -E to the sed command to use extened regex (didn't realize sed needed this) |
| 18:29.23 | somiaj | BenLue: sed -i -E 's/ path="\S+"//g' default.xml |
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| 18:37.11 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I read about a module ipt_owner, here https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/block-outgoing-network-access-for-a-single-user-from-my-server-using-iptables.html |
| 18:37.26 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I did this: modprobe ipt_owner |
| 18:37.42 | RandomGuyOnIrc | iptables -A OUTPUT --uuid-owner 1007 -j DROP |
| 18:37.57 | Guest34247 | thanks.. :) |
| 18:37.59 | Guest34247 | got it working... |
| 18:38.02 | Guest34247 | adding -E |
| 18:38.03 | RandomGuyOnIrc | and I get: iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--uuid-owner" |
| 18:38.27 | Guest34247 | and changing \d to [0-9] |
| 18:38.41 | RandomGuyOnIrc | does anyone know how to enable the --uuid-owner option for iptables? |
| 18:39.19 | doverZ | hello everyone, currently studying live-build to make a custom debian with some apps ready for the daily work needs. All ok here. But as im using debian there r no packages for the visual customization, my question is how could include those changes in the building process without a .deb ?? |
| 18:40.04 | RandomGuyOnIrc | google found my error, I want "--uid-owner" |
| 18:40.06 | RandomGuyOnIrc | silly me |
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| 18:45.54 | Guest34247 | this is what helped me: http://keyfind.us/9z |
| 18:47.03 | Guest34247 | guys have you tried out the latest Debian? it Rocks!!!!! |
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| 18:48.14 | Guest34247 | i just have issues with running local network. |
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| 18:48.34 | Guest34247 | i have to keep bringing down the interface so I can connect to my local VM. |
| 18:48.59 | Guest34247 | like WicD wants to try and reconnect. |
| 18:49.23 | Guest34247 | when not on a network. |
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| 19:04.12 | joelwallis | Hi. For someone crazy enough looking to setup its own mail server, and is looking to Dovecot as the MDA solution. Which other software packages would you add to make a *good enough* mail server? |
| 19:04.51 | GNU\colossus | I run postfix and dovecot, with dspam (not available after wheezy) and opendkim in the mix as well. |
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| 19:05.05 | GNU\colossus | dovecot does LOTS of stuff on its own, esp. in more recent releases. |
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| 19:05.20 | GNU\colossus | for anti-spam, look into rspamd or spamassassin |
| 19:07.07 | joelwallis | GNU\colossus: what does opendkim do? |
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| 19:08.17 | joelwallis | nevermind. I just found its website |
| 19:08.20 | GNU\colossus | joelwallis, it implements DKIM :) you'll need that to make sure email receivers at big mail service providers get your mail delivered to their inboxes. |
| 19:08.33 | GNU\colossus | s/receivers/recipients |
| 19:08.35 | joelwallis | got it |
| 19:09.07 | joelwallis | good to know! I'll add it to the list of tools I'll need to put on it |
| 19:09.15 | GNU\colossus | have you looked at mailinabox and friends yet? |
| 19:09.36 | joelwallis | nope. what's that? |
| 19:09.43 | GNU\colossus | even if you decide not to use those solutions, they offer a good badeline for what you'll have to consider implementing |
| 19:09.48 | GNU\colossus | https://mailinabox.email/ |
| 19:10.07 | GNU\colossus | "Technically, Mail-in-a-Box turns a fresh cloud computer into a working mail server. But you don’t need to be a technology expert to set it up." |
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| 19:10.56 | GNU\colossus | there are alternatives to it (check https://alternativeto.net/software/mail-in-a-box/). I don't have experience with any of them. |
| 19:11.00 | JohnTitor | GNU\colossus: that scares me |
| 19:11.22 | joelwallis | wow! awesome project! |
| 19:12.01 | joelwallis | seems that I can get up and running way quicker than setting up everything manually |
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| 19:12.32 | GNU\colossus | yes, but consider that at least mailinabox wants your machine to be a _dedicated_ mail server |
| 19:12.53 | JohnTitor | ireadmail is not that bad |
| 19:12.59 | GNU\colossus | (it will probably mangle your base OS for that purpose. there might be comparative solutions that can get along with other server duties, and play nicer with the base OS.) |
| 19:13.01 | JohnTitor | iredmail^ |
| 19:13.31 | joelwallis | that's actually what I want: a dedicated server for my mail needs |
| 19:13.35 | GNU\colossus | if you can spin up a Virtual Machine dedicated to the mailserver purpose, this won't really affect you I guess |
| 19:13.44 | joelwallis | a dedicated machine would make it easier to maintain, backup, protect, etc. |
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| 19:15.56 | joelwallis | thank you very much GNU\colossus! :D |
| 19:16.18 | JohnTitor | yo do have to know about smtp/imap and many other stuff for managing a mail server, even for being able to change what those scripts do by default |
| 19:16.28 | GNU\colossus | you're welcome. I can only recommend to check out all the alternatives, however. and maybe test everything with a throwaway-domain first ;) |
| 19:16.38 | GNU\colossus | before you're going to hand over you _real_ email to one of those solutions |
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| 20:09.20 | TBZ1 | what's up https://github.com/golang/go/issues/21821 |
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| 20:21.15 | bigtymer37 | hello |
| 20:21.20 | bigtymer37 | does anyone have experience with drbd |
| 20:21.30 | bigtymer37 | I am having issues getting my HA cluster to sync |
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| 20:24.05 | anthony25 | hi |
| 20:24.05 | anthony25 | I installed dropbear to be able to unlock my crypt-luks partition through ssh at initramfs |
| 20:24.06 | anthony25 | but it seems that dropbear is not started at boot, or is not listening on any of my interface |
| 20:24.07 | anthony25 | I get a "connection refused" error |
| 20:24.24 | anthony25 | if I boot into a rescue shell, and start dropbear, I can ssh without any error |
| 20:25.03 | anthony25 | I updated my initramfs, and used ip=dhcp (I can ping my host when it's asking for the luks passphrase) |
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| 20:27.21 | anthony25 | how could I get more debug about it? |
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| 20:31.15 | frostschutz | anthony25, no keyboard/monitor attached to the system? |
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| 20:32.24 | anthony25 | no, but it's hosted by online.fr, so I can have a redirected console |
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| 20:32.49 | anthony25 | and I see no error related to dropbear |
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| 20:37.18 | moozer | In the sources.list .d/* files, what is the difference between having e.g "main" and "non-free" on the same line and on two lines? |
| 20:37.31 | moozer | Both seem to work fine |
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| 20:40.25 | abrotman | moozer: nothing |
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| 20:41.18 | moozer | I just saw a recommandation for having them on the same line - my preference is the mulitline solution due to my ansible setup |
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| 20:52.55 | CornTortilla | howdy |
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| 20:53.47 | CornTortilla | man, all the linux chats are dead right now |
| 20:54.23 | moozer | It is saturday evening in Europe, people probably have an off-line also :-) |
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| 20:54.40 | CornTortilla | that hurricane might have messed a few things up too |
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| 20:55.15 | CornTortilla | was that THE nullbyte? |
| 20:55.17 | annadane | !chat |
| 20:55.17 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:55.17 | CornTortilla | nice |
| 20:55.30 | CornTortilla | ^^^ |
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| 20:55.34 | CornTortilla | need some support |
| 20:55.38 | annadane | oh. hi. :D |
| 20:55.52 | CornTortilla | got gifted an HP Envy 1181nr, its got one broken ram slot |
| 20:56.06 | CornTortilla | its listed spec is 8 gigs of ram PER hp |
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| 20:56.22 | CornTortilla | if i slap kali on it, could i just slap a 16 gig stick in there and call it good? |
| 20:57.07 | buu | Probably-maybe |
| 20:57.07 | CornTortilla | also, it needs a new hdd, could i just buy a 2tb external and rip the case off it, slap it in there, and call it a day? |
| 20:57.08 | abrotman | CornTortilla: You'd ask the Kali channel, not us |
| 20:57.22 | CornTortilla | well, debian...fair enough |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | no, not the same |
| 20:57.45 | CornTortilla | mind taking a second to school me? |
| 20:57.55 | CornTortilla | i know its not the same, but it is debian based, correct? |
| 20:57.55 | abrotman | on what? |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | I don't even see how this is an OS question |
| 20:58.08 | abrotman | !debian based |
| 20:58.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:58.39 | CornTortilla | fair enough buddy |
| 20:58.42 | CornTortilla | have a wonderful evening |
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| 21:04.47 | TBZ1 | disregard my previous message |
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| 21:16.30 | teraflops | I wish it is but without all the bugs and CVEs |
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| 22:12.47 | c-c | Is gaming/steam off-topic here? |
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| 22:13.20 | c-c | I mean, is building a debian stretch gaming/steam system off-topic here? |
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| 22:14.09 | Tybor | Is there a suggested way to get firefox nightly on Debian? Lastest version I could grasp with apt is 55 |
| 22:14.31 | c-c | because I want to test building a dedicated debian gamingsystem and play 'duskers' on it |
| 22:15.18 | artyx | I am trying to boot a wheezy-based installer in a kvm console ... I wrote the iso to the block device, set it as the boot point. turned on the vm. and i can see hte installer begin.. but it does not recognize any of the block devices ... I can see libvirt somewhere under /pool .. how do i start the installer forcing the virtualized guest options (commercial host, no access to virt-install) |
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| 22:16.10 | c-c | Tybor: you can just build the package, then run checkinstall, and then install the resulting .deb package |
| 22:16.33 | c-c | https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
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| 22:18.22 | amd_0x51 | hey guys might be daft question, sorry to bother on a saturday. I used to get "mail" when I apt-get upgrade. just explaining what was updating |
| 22:19.00 | amd_0x51 | i havn't for a while I can't figure out why. How can I reset it so that I see why what is upgrading, is upgrading? |
| 22:19.06 | tesko | mail for root? |
| 22:19.10 | c-c | artyx: this channel is for stretch/stable afaics |
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| 22:19.13 | artyx | apt-get upgrade 2>&1 | mail blah ? |
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| 22:19.36 | artyx | stretch/stable? stable i get. stretch is new version? |
| 22:19.41 | amd_0x51 | it just used to tell me before I selected y/n |
| 22:19.45 | c-c | stretch is current stable |
| 22:19.50 | amd_0x51 | hmm maybe it was only for very important updates |
| 22:19.54 | amd_0x51 | security etc |
| 22:20.17 | artyx | c-c .. any suggestions on the right place to ask? Or any good pointers to a decent "build your own iso from debian source code" |
| 22:20.36 | c-c | amd_0x51: apt doesn't have that |
| 22:21.09 | c-c | artyx: #linux. wheezy is ancient |
| 22:21.17 | c-c | artyx: my recommendation: update |
| 22:21.21 | artyx | amd_0x51 .. you can duplicate the effect with tee .. for everytihng before the yes .. I would probably just force a do not upgrade flag .. redirect stderr to stdout .. and then mail stdout to myself |
| 22:21.29 | c-c | artyx: sorry, ##linux |
| 22:21.41 | artyx | c-c: it's a vendor distribution built on wheezy, i have no choice ... (IMS .. big applicaiton server package) |
| 22:22.00 | amd_0x51 | hmm strange. I vaguely remember it giving me info on updates at one point. |
| 22:22.03 | amd_0x51 | not to matter |
| 22:22.12 | amd_0x51 | I'll continue to follow the mailing lists |
| 22:22.48 | amd_0x51 | ah great. I will try that artyx |
| 22:22.49 | amd_0x51 | thanks |
| 22:23.06 | c-c | artyx: sounds like you need to look at kvm or your virtualization solution instead |
| 22:23.12 | tesko | if you know cobol and/or fortran you can make big money programming software for big business machines |
| 22:23.23 | Tybor | c-c: thanks :) I'll try mozilla's plain tarball before :) |
| 22:23.39 | Tybor | c-c: I'm lazy |
| 22:23.46 | c-c | tesko: - if you also have a time machine to go back 10 years |
| 22:24.08 | tesko | those languages are still used today c-c |
| 22:24.35 | c-c | these days they just throw a 3 consults and a fancy new programming language at it |
| 22:24.52 | c-c | +team |
| 22:25.38 | c-c | So, anyone here run steam on their debian? |
| 22:26.03 | c-c | I'm wondering what steps to take towards getting a gaming debian box together |
| 22:27.36 | tesko | ive tried to get people to switch over to linux starting with some form of ubuntu, debian or some other easy transition linux |
| 22:27.40 | c-c | looks like theres already a steam package in non-free repos |
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| 22:28.23 | tesko | i wanna play brutal halflife |
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| 22:29.34 | c-c | tesko: I have bit of a gas for 'duskers' |
| 22:29.40 | murdoc` | amd_0x51: Have you tried apt-listchanges? |
| 22:29.46 | artyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.55 | c-c | tesko: also, EUIV |
| 22:30.21 | artyx | Heck, it may be easier to just mount hte iso to a vendor supplied kernel and install the packages into teh system manually from the install script. I'm thinking |
| 22:30.48 | c-c | artyx: well, define 'it' first - is it a fs, kernel or installer issue |
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| 22:31.24 | tesko | euiv? |
| 22:31.31 | Loshki | EasyTransition. Now *that's* a distro name... |
| 22:31.33 | amd_0x51 | no I did not think about that. JUst manned apt-listchanges. Perfect. Thanks murdoc` |
| 22:31.39 | cruncher | amd_0x51, you mean probably apt-listbugs, its the only thing i can think of that asks you with y/n, but its not for "selecting" what to install, and if you got "mail", probably apt-listchanges? |
| 22:31.51 | c-c | tesko europa universalis IV is a nation building game |
| 22:32.22 | amd_0x51 | yes I didn't explain myself properly. I should have just said. I want to know what the change is for and why without checking my emails for the bug track |
| 22:32.39 | amd_0x51 | thanks for the help guys I got it sorted thanks to your help |
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| 22:32.46 | amd_0x51 | enjoy your weekend everyone. |
| 22:32.50 | artyx | c-c .. the installer fails to recognize the block device configured with the iso file dd'd to it. The stage1 works, but it cannot get past that. I'm assuming (big word there) that the issue is related to the fact the kernel rollout is from 2013 .. and that virtio may not be compliant with a patched up to date kvm host |
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| 22:33.35 | artyx | Since i am a consumer of the kvm service, .. i have no configuraiton ability on the host. so its sortof black box. I can say that no devices were recognized by the installe r with either para-virtualized hardware OR fully virtualized hardware (read ide) |
| 22:35.09 | artyx | so ... I probably need to look at all the requisites built into stage1 ... and replace with either statically linked compiles with everything up to date. or muck around with a new install from the vendor, then just import the debian packages for the install .. which will probalby have versioning inconsistencies |
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| 22:35.52 | artyx | Thats daywork, dont worry. unless you like to fiddle im not a stranger to the next part .. I just dont like engaging in this level of misery |
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| 22:36.07 | artyx | thinks its a good thing they charge by the hour |
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| 22:36.26 | c-c | mehh |
| 22:36.38 | artyx | so very much agreed |
| 22:37.11 | artyx | I was hoping there would have been a quick fix like "Oh yeah. you just built a paravirtual driver floppy img and away you go" ..but no |
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| 22:39.16 | c-c | I'm on the fence with the gaming box. Whether to try the SteamOS path, or go with Debian Stable |
| 22:39.59 | tesko | debian stable |
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| 22:40.33 | buu | gaming.. with debian stable? |
| 22:41.16 | c-c | buu yes, debian stable + wine/steam packages, and just plain native |
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| 22:41.24 | tesko | works with Doom |
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| 22:41.45 | c-c | and Dward Fortress 2, and Europa Universalis IV |
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| 22:42.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, let's see if anything changed and Steam provides an authenticated download for its client. |
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| 22:43.06 | tesko | any pgp key? |
| 22:43.47 | dtux | what's the easiest way to set up a guest account? |
| 22:44.27 | tesko | adduser |
| 22:45.01 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: for what its worth, steam updated just fine for me a day or two ago in stretch. |
| 22:45.25 | c-c | interesting |
| 22:45.37 | tesko | then you can read the manual to remove a user |
| 22:46.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj, hm, I could just get it from stretch, they probably didn't check it either but I can double check. |
| 22:46.21 | c-c | from stretch non-free |
| 22:46.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm not even sure they authenticate the downloads the client makes, though. |
| 22:46.45 | dtux | tesko: i was hoping for something that would reset / empty out the guest user's home dir after logout |
| 22:47.02 | tesko | oh well that i dunno |
| 22:47.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's seriously annoying they can't get the crypto right in 2017. :( |
| 22:49.36 | amd_0x51 | that is interesting Eduard_Munteanu |
| 22:49.40 | c-c | dtux: so perhaps have a script wipe the home dir? |
| 22:49.48 | amd_0x51 | probably a bad thing I have never thought about it too. |
| 22:50.15 | tesko | dtux open a terminal window and type man adduser |
| 22:50.21 | tesko | no |
| 22:50.24 | tesko | wait |
| 22:50.31 | tesko | man 8 deluser |
| 22:51.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | It also doesn't help that "modern" desktop OSes are almost completely insecure with respect to running arbitrary code. |
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| 22:52.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | wonders if there's even a convenient SAK key with Wayland and all |
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| 22:53.19 | c-c | Looks like Steam OS is based on jessie and needs 250 GB of disk. I think I'll go with Debian Stable + steam package route for my game box. |
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| 22:53.46 | amd_0x51 | it *needs* 250? |
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| 22:53.51 | amd_0x51 | wow. |
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| 22:54.14 | c-c | well thats listed in the hw requirements |
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| 22:55.11 | c-c | Is there a way to install debian from within debian? |
| 22:55.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | c-c, manually installing with (c)debootstrap |
| 22:56.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | c-c, or you can use a VM |
| 22:56.23 | c-c | hm, maybe something I can write on the mounted volume, then boot into it? |
| 22:57.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | c-c, I don't think there are any OS images per se, except perhaps for small cloud deployments. |
| 22:57.30 | c-c | I was thinking more of a installer.. I guess the debian image is it |
| 22:57.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | c-c, yeah, you have to boot it, though. |
| 22:58.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Unless you mean just writing the install media from within Debian, which is actually fairly common. |
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| 22:59.01 | c-c | I guess its going to be simplest to just copy the debian iso image on the tgt volume, then boot into it from grub |
| 23:00.01 | somiaj | c-c: read the install guide, it has options from isntalling from an existing os (that isn't deboot strap) |
| 23:00.10 | somiaj | though deboostrap works too |
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| 23:00.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Interesting, I wasn't aware. |
| 23:00.57 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: yea I would use the package in debian, it will download and install the current steam client in $HOME |
| 23:01.24 | amd_0x51 | that is what I use |
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| 23:01.47 | amd_0x51 | although as I mentioned before I can't play doom/quake. Need to use other ports of those games |
| 23:01.56 | amd_0x51 | I am limited to half life |
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| 23:02.14 | paxcoder | Hey, did anyone run Debian on POWER9, or can tell me more about the support for the architecture? |
| 23:02.14 | somiaj | Here is the deboostrap instructions https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 23:02.52 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#idm46300558578720 there is also 2.4.4, you can put the installer and boot it from your harddisk |
| 23:03.07 | somiaj | paxcoder: is POWER9 a powerppc arch? |
| 23:03.49 | somiaj | amd_0x51: I would double check what libaries those games need. I expect you can get them to work. I do find I am sometimes missing libaries games require with steam though. I don't run those games, but haven't run across one that didn't work. |
| 23:04.00 | somiaj | (though many take work) |
| 23:04.24 | c-c | somiaj: yes, I was looking at the deboostrap. I don't know why that isn't appealing to me... |
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| 23:04.48 | somiaj | c-c: it is not nearly as automated as the installer, you have to do a lot of the installer stuff manually. |
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| 23:04.57 | somiaj | c-c: but if you don't have a cd/usb to boot from, it will work. |
| 23:05.06 | somiaj | c-c: you can also look into booting the installer from the harddisk. |
| 23:05.08 | c-c | from there I went looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 23:05.15 | amd_0x51 | yes I can't remember the error it threw out at me but I did some research and it is doable. However, the latest version (at least for me in jessie) wont even give you the option to install any other game |
| 23:05.22 | amd_0x51 | somiaj: ^ |
| 23:05.31 | somiaj | c-c: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 23:24.47 | paxcoder | !power9 |
| 23:24.57 | paxcoder | dpkg: power9 |
| 23:24.57 | dpkg | paxcoder: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 23:34.17 | chomwitt | trying to downgrade pulseaudio apt will remove many many packages!! downgrading isnt so easy.. |
| 23:35.15 | chomwitt | is there a more easy way to undo a previous partial system update? |
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| 23:40.22 | coruja | chomwitt, paste apt's output |
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| 23:40.38 | coruja | !paste |
| 23:40.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 23:42.31 | chomwitt | coruja: while apt-cache policy pulseaudio show an older version , aptitude does not |
| 23:42.35 | qwebirc730839 | a |
| 23:43.13 | chomwitt | maybe if aptitude could install the older version would downgrade automatically all the updates based on newer pulseaudio? |
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| 23:51.29 | coruja | chomwitt, do you want ppl here to make wild guesses or to really try to help? |
| 23:52.03 | coruja | !bat |
| 23:52.03 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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