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00:14.32BlakBatI have the weirdest bug ever... I was on bfmtv.fr (no ssl), tabbed back to reddit, right clicked select text to search on google.com. and now I have a SSL error on google.com (http://i.imgur.com/k8CMb3Q.png). I restared firefox, rm ~/.cache, cleared firefox cache too, but I'm stuck not being able to browse google.com
00:15.13BlakBatI understand that this is probably a FF bug, but does anyone know how I could fix this asap? I'm using Firefox ESR on buster
00:17.12klysblakbat, http;//www.google.com ?
00:17.22klyser
00:17.35klysblakbat, http://www.google.com ?
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00:23.33BlakBatyep
00:23.46BlakBatcurrently on bugzilla reporting it
00:24.13BlakBathttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1398546
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01:01.13BlakBateven if I create another Firefox Profile (didn't delete the old one), restart with no plugins... still happens.
01:01.26BlakBatgoing to bed, going to try to figure this one out tomorrow
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01:09.30mrr0buttsources with cuda support wont build because of cuda 8 toolkit doesnt support gcc & g++ version in stretch.
01:09.51mrr0buttand build script prompts this: ERROR: No supported gcc/g++ host compiler found, but clang-3.8 is available.
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01:18.09mrr0buttis there a way to force clang and clang++ instead of gcc and g++ for the build
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01:19.44mrr0buttor change nvcc config to use clang and not gcc
01:19.56mrr0buttby default?
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01:41.50Hawkhearthey, I'm trying to move from proprietary drivers (amdgpu-pro) to free drivers ("plain" amdgpu). It's sort of working right now -- system boots, I can log in, but nothing relying on OpenGL works. any ideas?
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01:42.16LiENUShow do i accomplish the equivalent of the old ntpdate pool.debian.org in stretch?
01:43.33abrotmanHawkheart: I assume you've installed teh firmware?
01:43.39abrotmanLiENUS: use ntpdate ?
01:44.24LiENUSabrotman, stretch uses systemd
01:44.54Hawkheartabrotman: yeah, I've got firmware-linux(+-nonfree) and firmware-amd-graphics installed
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02:13.38metaphysicianBlakBat: can happen due to wrong date-time on your system.
02:14.10rue_mohr_X is unable to automagically configure itself, I have no X it errors out with "no screens" can anyone help me track this down?
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02:14.29rue_mohr_I'm limited cause I'm on a text terminal
02:14.57rue_mohr_from what I can tell there is config stuff comming from somewhere, but I cant tell where
02:15.03rue_mohr_and its broken
02:16.04rue_mohr_it was so much easier when it was just xorg.conf
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02:26.27rue_mohr_the nvidia driver seems to be a maze, anyone know how a dumb user would be directed to do this?
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02:26.44rue_mohr_I'm sure I dont have to link directories and compile a new kernel
02:27.03rue_mohr_might, but I'm sure there is a button somewhere
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02:27.59rue_mohr_or, better question, where should /lib/modules/4.9...pae/build point to?
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02:30.33abrotmanrue_mohr_: there's a package to do the nvidia nonsense
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02:31.19corujahttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
02:31.21rue_mohr_abrotman ok...
02:31.40rue_mohr_I dont have a web browser, cause I'm on a text terminal, remember? X dosn't wori
02:31.43rue_mohr_work
02:32.12corujathen install a cli web browser
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02:32.31rue_mohr_I installed nvidia-driver but its a virtual package that just has documentation
02:33.27rue_mohr_I installed an nvidia-kernel package but its source that dosn't want to compile cause its missing a directory that I dont know where to point
02:33.53rue_mohr_aaaand it looks like there is no SOURCE package for the debian kernel, so, I'm running out of guesses
02:34.19rue_mohr_maybe linus wont allow debian to mirror a kernel source?
02:34.27rue_mohr_as a deb
02:34.32corujamissing linux-headers-$arch?
02:34.41rue_mohr_I have the headers
02:35.03rue_mohr_I dont think thats what the nvidia-kernel package wants
02:35.11abrotmanrue_mohr_: you're doing it wrong ..
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02:35.20rue_mohr_but I have no idea where this build directory is supposed to point to
02:35.23abrotmanrue_mohr_: install a text browser, read the URL above
02:35.41rue_mohr_how the hell am I supposed to GET THAT URL to it?
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02:35.52rue_mohr_remember and flip back and forth 40 times?
02:35.53x032cxfoo walks into a bar and foo gets a tea spoon of heroin with each mug of beer - gota love these english bars
02:36.29abrotmanrue_mohr_: or google?
02:36.34abrotmandpkg: tell rue_mohr_ about nvidia dkms
02:36.55rue_mohr_most websites wont work under firefox, you really expect them to work with lynx?
02:37.01abrotmanyes, the wiki would
02:37.12abrotmanrue_mohr_: see what the bot told you
02:38.11rue_mohr_dkms...
02:38.51rue_mohr_already newest version...
02:39.28rue_mohr_and since when did restarting a system become a way to reload a config?
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02:41.37rue_mohr_didn't know till just now that bitchx has no scrollback buffer...
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02:42.19abrotmanyou'd have to configure it
02:42.32abrotmanor use anything else, because anything else is better
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04:07.32RitalinWHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM AUTISTIC?
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04:50.02chomwitt!bat
04:50.02dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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05:10.09cluelesspersonhey guys, I'm sorry to bother you, but I accidetntally deleted this rule from iptables
05:10.12cluelesspersonufw-before-logging-input all --  anywhere             anywhere
05:10.22cluelesspersonit was the first rule of the INPUT chain, how do I add it back?
05:11.17eventhorizoncluelessperson: was that rule added automatically by ufw?
05:13.13cluelesspersoneventhorizon: I believe so
05:14.38eventhorizoncluelessperson: try restarting ufw and see if it works
05:15.24cluelesspersoneventhorizon: it did not add it back
05:16.20cluelesspersoneventhorizon: actually, thanks, I think I can just reinstall ufw
05:16.26cluelesspersonand copy the ruser rules over
05:16.27cluelesspersonthanks
05:16.41eventhorizonok
05:18.29cluelesspersoneventhorizon: the rule is back.  Thanks!
05:18.35cluelesspersonshould take the time to learn iptables
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06:07.52AntoninusI'm trying to install wine-gecko using these instructions, but it fails. Help? https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko
06:08.35somiajAntoninus: I just let wine download it and install it in $WINE_PREFIX
06:08.57somiajfor some reason I think there is a patch in the debian wine packages that it won't look for Gecko or Mono in the normal places
06:09.04Antoninussomiaj, the "do you want to install gecko/mono" dialog doesn't appear for me
06:09.33somiajI think it only appears once or after you upgrade wine.
06:09.41somiajtry it with a new wine prefix.
06:09.58somiajWINEPREFIX="/home/user/.wine-test" winecfg
06:10.08Antoninussomiaj, I'm trying it on a new prefix
06:10.31somiajI haven't used the debian wine packages in a long time, I just slightly recall some issue with them and gecko.
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06:11.14somiajAntoninus: and you have tried copying the .msi file you download for the correct version of wine in the location it gives under Debug info
06:11.32somiaj$WINEPREFIX/drive_c/windows/system32/gecko/version
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06:13.56Antoninussomiaj, nevermind. It *was* manually installing, but I wasn't looking for it in the right place.
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06:14.09AntoninusIt kinda sucks that I have to *manually* install them in the first place :(
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06:19.08somiajHow wine uses those extra things in debian has always been an issue. Debian use to provide packages, but the matainers wern't able to keep them updated and ensure they matched the version of wine isntalled
06:19.25somiajI find installing them in $WINEPREFIX just fine, unsure why the debian package doens't do this automatically. I buidl myh own package
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06:43.50AkQHi ! i'm avid debian server user and i just re-installed my Debian to my VPS but i can't get mumble-server to work :/ the #mumble is dead so i'm asking here as well :o
06:44.12AkQLOG file: https://pastebin.com/raw/2sxn6hum  ( /var/log/mumble-server/mumble-server.log )
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07:05.13tvmthis looks like problem with the app itself
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07:05.38macbookhallo cok pie kabare
07:05.49buuAkQ: did you upgrade something recently?
07:05.59macbookngeleh madang
07:06.00AkQi did complete clean install of Debian 9
07:06.07macbookyes
07:06.17buuWhere did the sqlite database come from?
07:06.38AkQbuu i had it in my previous installation, i backed it up
07:06.48macbookyou can install on repo
07:06.58buuAkQ: It seems slightly busted
07:07.03AkQ:o
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07:07.16AkQit was working fine today, with my previous installation
07:08.10buuhmmm
07:08.52AkQi really don't want to lose it - it has history, nostalgy, from a decade
07:08.53buuAkQ: what is the ls -ld output for the directory the sqlite file is in?
07:10.20AkQdrwxr-x--- 3 mumble-server mumble-server 4096 Sep 10 08:18 .
07:11.04buuAkQ: try changing it to 777 temporarily also
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07:14.00AkQbuu nothing interesting happened :/
07:14.06AkQdrwxrwxrwx 3 mumble-server mumble-server 4096 Sep 10 08:18 .
07:14.07buuAlso what does sqlite3 -line  /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite "insert (server_id,msg) values (42,'foo')"
07:14.10buudo?
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07:14.33AkQ-bash: sqlite3: command not found
07:14.38buummmmmmmmmm
07:14.58buusudo apt install sqlite3
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07:15.21AkQok installed sqlite3
07:15.25AkQand did it again: Error: near "(": syntax error
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07:15.35buuI should learn sql at some point
07:16.05buusqlite3 -line  /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite "insert into slog (server_id,msg) values (42,'foo')"
07:16.39AkQdid that - no output
07:16.47AkQi try to restart the service?
07:16.49buuyes
07:17.24buuPresumably that means you in the guise of sqlite3 can write to the database
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07:18.10AkQnothing happened - mumble-server is not running
07:18.28buuwhat does systemctl status mumble-server
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07:19.45AkQnvm
07:19.48AkQi think i found out
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07:20.08AkQthe error was that the service was trying to switch from root to user that was given in mumble-server.ini
07:20.15AkQand i had copied that from previous installation
07:20.26AkQand of course i have no user created for that, yet
07:20.34buu<C>2017-09-10 06:58:08.970 Successfully switched to uid 109
07:20.36buuweird
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07:21.14AkQSep 10 09:16:55 vps270009 mumble-server[1804]: <W>2017-09-10 09:16:55.538 Initializing settings from /etc/mumble-server.ini (basepath /etc)
07:21.14AkQSep 10 09:16:55 vps270009 mumble-server[1804]: <F>2017-09-10 09:16:55.539 Cannot find username mumble
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07:49.09egonwmoin, advice please... I got an update warning for bind9... so, I expected a security update, but my statusbar icon shows blue (regular) not red (security)... so I checked the archives... and have a suggested bind9-doc_9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u3_all.deb from a mirror that I do no see at http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/b/bind9/ ...
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07:50.24egonwthe mirror that I was using is: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bind9/ This one has that deb9u3 version...
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07:51.54egonwso, what's up here?
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07:53.39egonwso, this package is just a regular update? I now see it at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bind9/ too... nothing to worry about?
07:53.58AntoninusIs there a special script for triggering the rebuilding of DKMS modules?
07:54.34AntoninusI'm trying to do it manually via "dkms install -m module/0.1 -k 1.0" and it just fails building
07:54.40themillegonw: every package and every upload has a changelog
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07:56.58AntoninusNote that I'm trying to build it for a custom kernel and I do have it's -headers package installed
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07:57.27AntoninusIt seems that building my DKMS module for the stock kernel works
07:57.30themillegonw: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2017/09/msg00001.html
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07:58.10egonwthemill: ok, great, many thanks!
07:58.16shtrbegonw , apt-get changelog bind9
07:58.42egonwshtrb: well, if it was a malicious package, it would surely say something senseble in the changelog...
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07:59.31shtrbegonw , that is how any malicous thing done, even malicious code has it standards
07:59.41egonwone thing I forgot to mention... I first went of to packages.debian.org... and that does (did) not know about u3 yet and shows u2
08:00.41egonwhttps://packages.debian.org/bind9-host -> has u2 not u3... but thanks both for reassuring me...
08:00.56shtrbegonw , https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt :D
08:01.09shtrbegonw , sometimes secondery mirrors are not updated yet
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08:01.35egonwshtrb: :)
08:03.03shtrbwhat does the PX mean in a package name ?
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08:08.14brainsofthi. Im running debian 8.9 jessie and I have gnome and xfce bot installed. system starts xfce. what do I have to install to be prompted and asked to select one?
08:08.46brainsofti want to select one on startup
08:08.52BigBrothyrshould be able to select gnome at login screen.
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08:10.07shtrbbrainsoft , depending on the login manager  you have a dropdown button that allow you to select the one to run
08:10.24shtrbthat is IF you installed a login manager and didn't select autologin
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08:12.29brainsoftwhich one do you use?
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08:14.14pingfloydyou mean DM?
08:14.44brainsoftyes
08:15.08pingfloydbetter off not using one unless you share the computer
08:15.25brainsoftok
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08:16.54pingfloydthen you can take more control over things by editing/creating files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ or editing ~/.xinitrc etc.
08:16.56shtrbpingfloyd , in such case he will need to implement session switch himself (brainsoft's display manager )
08:17.38pingfloydshtrb: that's the advantage (can implement your own session with better control)
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08:18.35pingfloydI like for x start automatically, so I have it set where if I log in with my usual user on tty1 it will automatically start up X
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08:19.14shtrbpingfloyd via ~/.xinitrc or some other way ?
08:19.28shtrbcan you post it somewhere ? sounds like something very intersting
08:19.33pingfloydI utilize debian's own provided session related files
08:19.35pingfloydmostly
08:19.56shtrbthat sound like a nice thing , please share ...
08:20.01AndreasLutro`update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` should let you switch without changing anything
08:20.23shtrbbrainsoft ^
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08:20.38AndreasLutroshtrb: my xinitrc is public if you're interested https://github.com/anlutro/dotfiles/blob/master/configs/x11/xinitrc
08:20.53pingfloydfor example, in my case, I edit ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
08:21.02pingfloydthere are tons of ways to go about that
08:21.17pingfloydanother less used option is ~/.config/xfce4-session/*
08:22.29pingfloydshtrb: with debian for instance, you can manage default sessions with update-alternatives (one of many ways).
08:22.48pingfloyde.g., update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
08:23.02shtrbgot it, I assumed he wished a UI option
08:23.21shtrbbut a desktop file that will do it on the desktop is easy
08:23.24pingfloydshtrb: either way, he's more aware of his options now
08:23.40pingfloydthat's another way as well (via .desktop files)
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08:24.17shtrbI meant .desktop that will call update-alternatives
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08:31.52McErroneousHi, how do i change the name of the output directory of a tar-file (e.g tar -xf firefox-54.tgz would extract to "firefox" but i want it to keep its version numbering, or just rename the output-dir in tar.
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08:32.32McErroneous-C does not work, because i did not create a dir previously, but i have done this before..
08:32.44McErroneousi think..
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08:35.55shtrb--directory expect the inital folder to exist
08:36.23shtrbor just mkdir foo;cd foo; tar -xzf blalba
08:37.32McErroneousshtrb, i am looking for a single command, i think i did it before....
08:39.16AndreasLutro-c ?
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08:40.49shtrbc != C
08:41.22shtrbc is used for creation , C to declare the output folde
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08:41.44endbossDoes the stable installer check self integrity against corrupt/compromised images, i.e. would the installer in such an image warn me? And would it also warn me about a corrupt/compromised mirror from which a netinst installer would pull packages, or about an MITM against one? Finally, does a clean stable installation contain the same measures?
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08:48.45rue_mohr_is kernel 4.9.0-3  really 4.9.30?
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08:52.34rue_mohr_ok how can I get the config for the kernel I'm using?
08:52.48rue_mohr_there is no /proc/config.gz
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08:54.09rue_mohr_aha, its in the headers file
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09:15.25DelfUpdated a while ago to stretch, now the upssched-cmd looks strange.
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09:16.41DelfThere's two cases, one for "upsgone" which is something that's not ever triggered, it should be NOCOMM, COMBAD or COMOK and one case for * which is anything else…
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09:20.11DelfIt doesn't get triggered according to /etc/nut/upssched.conf
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09:28.44DelfThe case script is also for the $1 which is rather the message, not the notify type which should be an env $NOTIFYTYPE instead
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10:39.06daniel-shttps://pastebin.ca/3866258
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11:53.20TonkadoroAnyone know what a Geotab Go7 is?  And how to hack it to send data to a person's own endpoint instead of Geotab servers?
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12:20.35c-cSo I installed a new debian stable and even managed to get the rtl wifi dongle support right along with the included kernel firmware (used non-free/unofficial install image)
12:21.09c-cI'm as far as starting Steam install (I want to play Duskers).
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14:12.23fabouhi everyone
14:12.24fabouWhen I boot debian unstable I get "Failed to start Raise network interface". Is there anyone who can help me to resolve it? (juste after there is "a start job is running" during 1min30
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14:13.02rudi_sfabou: journalctl -r -u networking and have a look at the errors.
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14:15.31fabourudi_s, thx for your answer
14:15.35fabourudi_s, pastebin.com/F3Nqj53i
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14:16.41rudi_sfabou: 'Cannot find device "eth0"'
14:17.20rudi_sUse ip -br l to get the name of the interface, then adapt it in /etc/network/interfaces and run ifup $name
14:17.23fabouit is normal, because I use only wifi
14:17.36fabouI try
14:17.57rudi_sfabou: Or remove the eth0 line if you don't use it.
14:18.05rudi_ss/line/blocks/
14:18.13rudi_s(Pastebin it if you're not sure what to remove.)
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14:18.53fabouI never use eth0 often. But if I plug it, I would be great that I works :)
14:19.09fabouso I would like it could be available
14:20.15rudi_sfabou: What does ip -br l tell you? What is the interface name?
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14:20.33rudi_sBecause the link should still be shown in ip l, even if the interface is not up.
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14:21.37fabourudi_s, https://pastebin.com/wsAQXNux
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14:23.06rudi_sfabou: Hm, anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ? - What does grep -r eth0 /etc say?
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14:25.55fabouin /etc/network/interfaces.d/ : 1 file "setup"
14:26.02c-cFor what its worth, I concluded my mission to install a debian stretch gaming box, and managed to get steam working with debian wiki instructions. Had to launch the game twice but that is all. Sound and graphics work perfectly, integrated gpu, mobo sound, kernel/firmware from the firmware included iso -image.
14:26.13rudi_sfabou: What's the content?
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14:26.50fabougrep : https://pastebin.com/xEX1NFKD
14:27.36fabouRubin, setup's content : https://pastebin.com/eKPQx3my
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14:30.23rudi_sfabou: I'd drop the /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup file (it's partly redundant anyway) and add the last two lines of setup to /etc/network/interfaces, replacing eth0 with enp4s0.
14:30.31c-cDuskers seems to run perfectly, uses perhaps 25% of the 2012 i5-3450 cpu/gpu. Will try CivV on this later.
14:30.56c-cis happy he went Debian Stretch route instead of SteamOs
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14:33.33c-c- Additional notes: didn't have to install proprietary gpu drivers, lxde seems ok, have dual screen (as if this was useful)
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14:36.29fabourudi_s, OK I try.
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14:38.14c-cIs there a wat to see memory bandwidth, like cpu in htop? Seems my system is not cpu bound, and I think its memory channel
14:38.18c-c*ŵay
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14:46.37linuxthefishhey, is it a bug that firefox-esr 52.3.0esr-2 has "network.proxy.type" locked in about:config? I also can't change proxy settings from the connections setting thing in firefox...
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14:49.12linuxthefishah nvm it's debian-edu crap, i wish it would stop installing it's self
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14:54.05fabourudi_s, unfortunately no change
14:54.47faboujust before Raise.. "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" is written
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14:56.18rudi_sfabou: Output from journalctl?
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14:56.57bionixHi
14:57.05fabouahh wait I try something. On internet "Gave up" could be links with problem with swap. And I format my swap partition during installation of an other distro.
14:57.17csmallbionix Hi
14:57.34uniqdomHello, blkid says that my swap partition is /dev/sda2: PARTUUID="63756879-02". So, I have written "PARTUUID=63756879-02  none swap defaults". but is not working.
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14:57.57uniqdomI have written that in /etc/fstab.
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14:59.32bionixAm I up to date ? Linux w00tsrv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux ...
14:59.33rudi_sfabou: That's a separate issue. If you don't hibernate, write RESUME=none to /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
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15:00.53rudi_sbionix: No, +deb8u3 is the latest. apt update; apt upgrade and then reboot (for the new kernel).
15:01.16guest_beta.part
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15:01.53bionixty rudi_s
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15:03.03fabourudi_s, new journalctl : https://pastebin.com/L5mPdu29
15:04.09rudi_sfabou: Sure you deleted /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup after you've added the two lines to /etc/network/interfaces _replacing_ eth0 with enp4s0?
15:04.23fabouI rename it in setupolg
15:04.25fabouold*
15:05.09faboufabou@debian-unstable:/etc/network/interfaces.d$ ls
15:05.09fabousetupold
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15:05.28rudi_sfabou: Remove it or move it to another directory. Or remove the "source" line from /etc/network/interfaces
15:05.38fabouOK
15:05.55rudi_sAll files from /etc/network/interfaces.d are loaded by default, so renaming doesn't help.
15:06.05fabouOK
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15:06.13faboumy interfaces : https://pastebin.com/ujNXkzJT
15:06.17fabouI delete the file
15:06.20fabouand reboot
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15:14.29fabourudi_s, It seems to be fixed ("no failed" now) but there is still a "a start job is running for Raise network interface". And It take some tens seconds
15:14.57fabourudi_s, still "Gave up" even with RESUME=none in the interface file
15:16.12toruvinnuhh, does anyone have any "open" DNS servers which are not google?
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15:17.09gpunkgoogle is your freind
15:17.14toruvinnmhm.
15:17.22toruvinni'd rather use my enemy's DNS then
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15:18.06gpunk:)
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15:18.24toruvinnseriously nobody remembers anything? :-/ my isp's dns servers died and im kinda stuck now :-/
15:19.33gpunkuse qwant as a search engine for open DNS s
15:19.41gpunkinstead of google
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15:24.48toruvinngpunk, the problem was not that i couldnt access google or anything, the problem was that i didnt have a working DNS so i could not resolve any hostname. nvm, found this: https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062 (on my phone)
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15:26.17Wepinghi :)
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15:28.29gpunkok gotcha toruvinn
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15:38.45goshoHello. I need a help with a virtual box. How to get virtualbox from debian 9's repository?
15:39.30gpunkadd non-free and contrib to your repository
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15:39.43annadanegosho, gpunk, virtualbox is not in stretch
15:40.05gpunkneither backport ?
15:40.12annadane,v virtualbox
15:40.14juddPackage: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; buster/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2
15:40.22annadaneapparently not
15:41.24goshoannadane so if I want it I can't get it from the repository of debian 9
15:41.25gpunkthen you need to dowload it ...
15:42.32annadanei'm not sure whether virtualbox has a standalone program but if you wanted to use it that would be the safe way without installing any .deb's
15:42.47annadanethere exist other virtualisation options for debian unless you specifically need virtualbox
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15:43.02annadanei personally use virt-manager, quite user friendly
15:43.54goshoannadane how to take virt-manager
15:44.03annadaneyeah, see, i just went on their website and it's a .deb; installing .debs from random websites is a bad idea
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15:44.09annadanegosho, just apt install virt-manager
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15:44.42annadaneyou could probably add the virtualbox repository but i don't know too much about it and again it's a less trustworthy solution
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15:45.00annadanei know many people endorse that
15:45.12goshook
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15:46.33annadaneif you really really want virtualbox and you're not turned off by third party repositories https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
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15:47.03annadanei don't personally condone it but y'know
15:47.59goshono. I don't know. I'll figure it out because I'm new to Debian
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15:49.35epicwalrusgnome-boxes is a good alternative to virtualbox if you need one.
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15:54.43goshook. Now I have two options gnome-boxes and virt-manager
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15:56.00goshoхов то гет гноме боьес
15:56.09goshohow to get gnome boxes
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15:56.21goshoand I'm with xfce
15:56.31epicwalrussudo apt install gnome-boxes
15:57.13goshothank you
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16:04.55McErroneousHi, how do i change /etc/sudoers - file permissions ? I want to force a specific permission.
16:05.12McErroneouswithout that annoying 0440 message..
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16:08.28jellyMcErroneous: to what end?
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16:09.02McErroneousdoes it matter ?
16:09.12McErroneousjust obey.. !
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16:09.53jellyyes.  sudo really doesn't want you to use any less secure permission setting, so explaining the reason makes sense
16:10.40McErroneousidkare about what sudo wants, i want control....
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16:11.06jellyyou'll have to tamper with source code, then
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16:13.15pippuccio76hi at all , i install debian 9 lxde from usb , the installation go well , but when the sistem start there are some error . After this the monitor is black , i open a terminal and get start x , after i see only the mouse cursor
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16:13.47BlakBatjelly: did you try setting extra permissions with setfacl ?
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16:14.06jellyBlakBat: the person asking that question left
16:14.41BlakBatoh...
16:14.58BlakBatsorry
16:15.43annadanepippuccio76, what did you use to copy the iso to usb?
16:15.46jellypippuccio76: by "open a terminal" do you mean log in at the console?
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16:16.04samouyhey I have a question with gnupg on debian 9. I was trying to encrypt/decrypt file with a normal user's secret key and its working well. But when I log with root and do "su - my_user", decrypting the file tells me "permission denied" when accessing the private key .. Why ?
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16:16.51tomreynit's probably owned by root?
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16:17.21jellypippuccio76: what happens if you "startlxde" instead of "startx"
16:17.23samouytomreyn, no its owned by my user
16:17.25pippuccio76jelly the console log end to starting light display Manager after ok started light display manager
16:17.41tomreynsamouy: and it has read permission?
16:18.01McErroneousjelly: is there not something like a sudoers option like : sudoers_default_permission option 0440 ?
16:18.15McErroneousjust a onliner..
16:18.18samouytomreyn, yes because when I log directly in lightdm as my_user, I have access to the keyring
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16:19.07pippuccio76jelly with startlxde session is lxde DE is lxde gtk warning cannot open diaplay
16:19.10at0msamouy: i'm guessing env, more specific path to gnupg keys, isn't transferred with the su
16:19.40at0msamouy: can you explicitly set path to the user's key?
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16:20.59jellyMcErroneous: never needed anything like that, did you try looking at man sudoers
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16:21.46samouyat0m, I reverted the machine I use so I can't try right now
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16:22.14samouybut it tries to access to the correct keyring
16:22.23samouybut no permission to read it
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16:22.55jellypippuccio76: oh right, apparently that one is supposed to be called inside the session when X is running.
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16:23.21jellypippuccio76: does lightdm graphical login screen appear at boot for you?
16:23.29pippuccio76no
16:23.56jellypippuccio76: what does "systemctl status lightdm" say
16:23.57jelly!paste
16:23.58dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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16:24.27pippuccio76i cannot paste , the pc dont start....
16:25.22jellyuse pastebinit, then
16:25.24samouyat0m, I think its the issue : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GnuPG#su
16:25.25jelly!pastebinit
16:25.25dpkgA command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
16:25.38pippuccio76im ust write in this pc
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16:25.54jellypippuccio76: or upload a screenshot with your camera phone somewhere
16:26.11pippuccio76there are two error getting user list from org
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16:26.23pippuccio76ok i do a screenshot
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16:28.46rue_shop3it is possable for other computers to bring up a computer using your local X display, but debain turns this feature off, does anyone know where?
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16:29.44Brigorue_shop3,  bring up a computer from where?
16:29.48pippuccio76jelly :https://ibb.co/gBEKgv
16:30.16rue_shop3computer A brings an X program up using the display on computer B
16:30.34rue_shop3there is a securrity switch that debain uses to disable it, but I dont know where the swtich is set
16:30.49at0mrue_shop3: as with ssh -X $program ?
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16:30.53Brigorue_shop3, check xhost
16:31.03rue_shop3I did xhost +
16:31.09Brigorue_shop3, anyway i would use ssh -X, the easiest way
16:31.17rue_shop3the service itself seem to be turned off at the server level
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16:31.28rue_shop3its an option in a config file somewhere
16:31.50Brigorue_shop3, ssh -X is not an option?
16:31.58rue_shop3well I can try it!
16:32.21rue_shop3ssh -X nedit foo.txt
16:32.22Brigojust connect with ssh from computer B to computer a with ssh -x user@ip
16:32.23rue_shop3didn't work
16:32.29Brigoand run the program.
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16:32.59rue_shop3NEdit: Can't open display
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16:33.31tempaqI have a VPS with debian, and I want debian to automatically start LXDE upon server boot (with autologin of a given user). Later, I want to remotely connect to the running user session, using e.g xrdp. I have configured autostart using LXDM, but it complains there is no available DISPLAY to attach to. How can I give it a virtual display (from xrdp)? Thanks!
16:33.40jellyrue_shop3: X11Forwarding needs to be enabled on the remote machine, and "xauth" installed
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16:34.11pippuccio76<PROTECTED>
16:34.14rue_shop3I set DISPLAY=192.168.4.5:0
16:34.23rue_shop3run program, program says cant open display
16:34.26Brigoit looks like you need -Y too or instead of.
16:34.33Brigoit runs in my hosts.
16:34.41rue_shop3I did xhost + on the machine with the dispaly
16:35.02jellyrue_shop3: if you use ssh -X there's no need to mess with xhost or DISPLAY value
16:35.03rue_shop3Brigo, can you summarize that agian?
16:35.30jellypippuccio76: looks like lightdm is running, can you see it when you switch to Ctrl-Alt-F7 ?
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16:35.55pippuccio76ok now i see the login page
16:36.21jellypippuccio76: see if logging in from there works any better
16:36.22rue_shop3-x or -X
16:36.34jelly-X
16:37.02jellyrue_shop3: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote machine has "X11Forwarding yes"
16:37.05pippuccio76now i see the background image (after login ) but no panel or icon ...
16:37.12rue_shop3no, no that gives me a prompt on the remove machine
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16:37.32rue_shop3I want the X program to run on the remote machine with the display on the local machine
16:37.35jellyrue_shop3: and it's supposed to.  now run your app
16:37.39jellyin that shell.
16:37.43rue_shop3no
16:37.49rue_shop3no you have the program running on the wrong end
16:37.59pippuccio76jelly:now i see the background image (after login ) but no panel or icon ...
16:38.02rue_shop3A has program    B has display
16:38.13rue_shop3I want to run program on A and have it use display on B
16:38.32jellyrue_shop3: then do "ssh -X A" from B.
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16:38.38jellysame thing
16:38.48rue_shop3as would have been done with export DISPLAY=192.168.B.....
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16:39.21rue_shop3NEdit: Can't open display
16:39.23rue_shop3didn't work
16:39.50pippuccio76jelly : do u tink lubuntu is better for this netbook ?
16:40.03rue_shop3ssh -X root@192.168.(A)
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16:40.24rue_shop3then ran my X program, and it couldn't attach to the display locally
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16:40.59potentialfedorawheezy does have libc as version 2.13, right?
16:41.01ompaulrue_shop3: ssh -X username@othermachine program  ... do not use root for many reasons all of which are well documented see a web browser for other reasons
16:41.08rue_shop3last time I hit a problem it was because the listening port of the X server was turned off in a debian config
16:41.41rue_shop3X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
16:42.03rue_shop3nomatter what user I am
16:42.12jellyrue_shop3: did you verify sshd_config on A has X11Forwarding yes
16:42.32rue_shop3... no, cause I dont know about that yet
16:42.50ompaulso ssh -C username@farawaymachine and check it with right user
16:42.55jellypretty sure I mentioned it 5 minutes back
16:43.05jelly[18:37] <jelly> rue_shop3: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote machine has "X11Forwarding yes"
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16:43.32jellyrue_shop3: and restart ssh service if you change the config file
16:43.44rue_shop3shoudl I worry about X11DisplayOffset?
16:43.57jellyno
16:44.01rue_shop3jelly, I thought all these new kids just restart the computer :)
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16:44.34rue_shop3:)))))
16:44.41at0mrue_shop3: this isn't windows ;p
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16:45.16jellynew kids don't try to do X11 over remote tcp sockets
16:45.30jellythis isn't 1991
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16:45.42rue_shop3my firewall is my securrity
16:45.56rue_shop3its a field-day behind that
16:46.18rue_shop3so far, as I know, its only been hacked once
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16:46.27rue_shop3clever hack too!
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16:46.40ompaulso then you know that firewall is not your security
16:46.52rue_shop3whats perfect?
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16:47.35ompaulrue_shop3: did you set the X11Forwarding to yes?
16:47.44rue_shop3well, I'll have to change my ways, and open up Xforwarding on all the machines ssh
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16:47.49rue_shop3its working,
16:48.25jellyrue_shop3: it's a bit more sane than making X server listen on public ip address for tcp
16:48.36rue_shop3public?
16:48.39rue_shop3lan
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16:49.06jellyrue_shop3: it's a bit more sane than making X server listen on lan ip address for tcp
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16:49.27jellypippuccio76: hard to say why lxde does not load properly
16:49.32rue_shop3yes, but if you have a trusted network, would telnet really be a concern?
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16:50.10rue_shop3it may be a field day for anyone who breaks in, but thats not my point
16:50.36jellygood security has many layers
16:50.45rue_shop3so does aparanoia
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16:51.14jellypippuccio76: you may find clues in ~/.Xsession-errors
16:51.15rue_shop3this is the model M keyboard, its supposed to correct my typos
16:51.41jellypippuccio76: sorry, .xsession-errors with a lowercase x
16:52.08rue_shop3Jul 25/1988
16:52.22jellypippuccio76: it might be worth to try create a new user (adduser command as root), and try log in as that one instead
16:52.42pippuccio76sorry try to install ubuntu minimal after  xfce
16:52.45jellypippuccio76: if that works, it would point to something in per-user settings being broken
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16:58.33OxOOa tty is "garbled" and I tried to logout, but the login text is also messed up. How can I "reset" that tty?
16:59.46ChmEarlhow can I tell if debhelper requires quilt? how does debhelper write/read from .pc/ ?
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17:01.06jellyOxOO: log in blindly, run "reset", see if that helps
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17:02.45OxOOjelly: Thanks. Yeah that worked. I was hesitant of trying to login when it was like that though. Can one reset tty1 from tty2 for example with some other method?
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17:09.30ompaul0x00 try ctrl l (lower L) when you get garbage, remembering that it really depends on how you got to having garbage on the screen in the first place
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17:31.58tempaqHow can I give a virtual DISPLAY to LXDM/LXDE on a vps? (so that I can connect to the session later with xrdp?)
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17:33.06at0mtempaq: i'd look into VNC instead of running LXDE on a headless machine. or use ssh -X, see above. or ask yourself why you'd run graphical stuff on a VPS
17:33.47ambientstateHi, I have multiple drives in my computer. The main ons is ext4, but others are ntfs. I dual boot so I wanted both OS' to access files. However, I cannot cut n paste files from my ext4 system to the ntfs places. The paste option is greyed out.
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17:35.19tempaqat0m: Unfortunately I need to run a GUI-program on it, and the program must start up automatically if the server reboots
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17:38.38moldyhi
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17:38.49jhutchins!user accesible ntfs
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17:39.07moldyon stretch, is there anything special i need to do so that php apps (wordpress) can send e-mail? i have a local postfix running, and sendmail from the shell is working fine
17:39.32jhutchinsdpkg: user accessible ntfs
17:39.33dpkgTo get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options.  You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
17:39.38moldyhowever, wordpress says "The email could not be sent. Possible reason: your host may have disabled the mail() function."
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17:39.59somiajmoldy: the mail() function is part of php, maybe check the php config file.
17:40.03jhutchinsambientstate: You must have ntfs3g, standard ntfs access is read-only.
17:40.10somiajntfs-3g I belive.
17:40.15jhutchinsambientstate: You might want to check the wiki.
17:40.21ambientstateugh
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17:40.33ambientstateSharing files between OS' is such a pain
17:40.39ambientstateAnother failure
17:40.45ambientstateMy life
17:41.02jhutchinsambientstate: The system is working as intended, there are reasons it works like this.  More reading.
17:41.21ambientstateRead more, fail more
17:41.27ambientstaterepeat
17:41.28somiajambientstate: please don't complain, this is not the place. And it is not that difficult. You can use vfat, or isntall ntfs-3g, 'apt-get install ntfs-3g' on linux, or install an ext2/3/4 driver in windows.
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17:41.57ambientstateso reformat the drives in ntfs-3g?
17:42.05jhutchinsambientstate: No.
17:42.07moldysomiaj: hmm yep, i don't see any problem in there, unfortuntaley
17:42.29jhutchinsambientstate: ntfs-3g is the driver/utility set to access ntfs.
17:43.06armini really wonder how many percent of people in general deselect "Print server" and select "OpenSSH server" in the installer.
17:43.12arminmy assumption is way more than 98%.
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17:43.37ambientstatejhutchins, I have ntfs-3g already installed
17:43.44ambientstatestill no dice
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17:44.17at0marmin: i understand these defaults are what should get new users up and running. more advanced users know what to select and deselect
17:44.17somiajambientstate: you need to make sure you are mounting the file system using ntfs-3g, not the ntfs libary. How did you mount this ntfs file system? What is the output of 'mount' (at paste.debian.net)
17:44.17ambientstatehow do I invoke it?
17:44.20jhutchinsambientstate: Unlike Windows, which will only do what somebody else has decided you want to do, Linux will do just about anything.
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17:44.36jhutchinsambientstate: You have to actually do some work to achieve what you want, it doesn't just automatically happen.
17:44.49ambientstatejhutchins, Why not? It's a computer
17:44.51jhutchinsambientstate: Follow the instructions from dpkg above.
17:44.52somiaj"computers do what you tell them to, not what you want them to" -- so learn to be clear what you are telling it to do.
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17:47.50jhutchinsambientstate: You are doing something Microsoft doesn't want you to do.  You can do it because you're running Linux, you just have to take the right steps.
17:48.37ChmEarldebhelper & dpkg-source use Dpkg::Source::Quilt.pm
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17:49.27Arrowmasterquestion, i just had an incident where i needed to run e2fsck on a luks encrypted external drive. im using kde and just open dolphin and let the automounter do its thing normally, shouldnt this be using systemd and i thought systemd was supposed to automate e2fsck usage when needed?
17:49.29ambientstateSo far Microsoft seems to be winning. Lost my drive.
17:49.35ambientstatefuggit
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17:50.13arminat0m: so you consider setting up a system with cups and without sshd in 2017 will get people more up and running? no offense, but that's weird.
17:50.56arminat0m: but i agree with you on the other part. advanced users will know what to do there so it's not really important.
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17:53.23at0marmin: exactly. you wouldn't want to support all the users here looking for how to get their laptop to print
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17:55.40arminat0m: we do that anyways no matter if they install cups or not, but i get the point. ;)
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18:00.47at0marmin: on top, installing sshd requires some config. say, disable password logins and add keys to the user on the server. with defaults pw login enabled, that would probably open a lot of machines to possible unauthorized access
18:01.01at0mthose installing sshd on purpose would know how to go about that
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18:04.05SwKI always install sshd and never install cups
18:05.02SwKthen again imho printing and faxing should go the way of the dodo bird. we have had electronic signing of documents for 2 decades now, and had email even longer
18:05.16SwKI have both a printer and a fax machine, both gather dust
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18:06.37moldypaper is a superior technology when it comes to reliability
18:07.29moldyalso, archiving
18:08.29annadaneon that note, is there anything in debian for signing pdf documents? i guess you could sign it using gimp and copy + paste into some pdf viewer
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18:08.54annadanebut it would be easier if you could do it on the page itself and i haven't found one that does that
18:09.11d3xterhey guys, i've a script that rsyncs files onto a server and afterwards executes commands on the same server. right now i need to enter the password at least twice. what can i do to enter the password only once? maybe an ssh-tunnel?
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18:09.32arminat0m: well enabling a service just because you just installed it is something that debian is notoriously known for, let's not forget that.
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18:10.09arminat0m: and yes i agree that pubkey only should be ssh's default ;)
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18:16.28at0marmin: and then just how would you add your pubkey to the authkeys file?
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18:17.01SwKd3xter, assuming using ssh thats what keys are for
18:17.04at0minitial password login is fine, for a minute or so
18:17.25at0mlong enough to get a key transferred
18:17.31arminat0m: that's some extremely subjective statement.
18:17.51at0mwith pubkey only as default, there's no way to add your keys
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18:18.15arminat0m: are you saying the only way to access a computer is by network?
18:18.44at0mor i drive over to the datacenter. i doubt they'll let me in
18:18.52at0mi hope they dont
18:19.52annadaneignore my question, sorry
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18:28.39teraflopsannadane: you can sign with libreoffice
18:28.56annadaneoh, right, libreoffice...
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18:35.40fabio_hi everyone
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18:36.21fabio_I would like to activate numlock at the login. How can I do?
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18:41.21IridosI wonder …what is "at the login"
18:41.28Iridos.numlock
18:41.37Iridosdpkg, numlock
18:41.37dpkgUse setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a virtual terminal.  Have a look at the numlockx package to set the NumLock status in X.
18:41.58fabio_when I turn on the pc, the numlock is off.
18:42.11Iridosyou usually can change that in the bios
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18:43.40okamisklys, Greetings, I solved the lines by making a xorg conf specifying the intel driver and adding tearing set to false and something about acceleration.
18:43.53fabio_I'll try by bios. And I'll see numlockx package. Thanks.
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18:43.55okamisklys, lines, I meant the video tearing is the correct term
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18:45.28Arrowmasterfabio_: im using kde and its an option in the system settings
18:45.35Arrowmasterdont know about other DEs
18:45.38Iridosbut that probably only applies after you logged in…
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18:46.29Arrowmasterwouldnt numlockx do the same then? since the login manager isnt X
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18:46.54spigotso here's a fun one- iwconfig consistenly reports a 1Mb/s connection while running a speedtest that exceeds 10mbit/s
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18:47.03fabio_Arrowmaster: you're right. Thanks a lot!!!
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18:48.09spigotmaybe iwconfig is unreliable and I should be looking elsewhere for currectly connected bitrate
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18:51.08dixie7z_what do I need to fully install add-apt-repository... It doesnt work... "No valid OpenPGP data found"
18:51.58spigotif you're going to install packages built for ubuntu on debian, you just shouldn't. does anyone actually publish packages built against debian in ppas?
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18:52.51teraflopsidk, maybe
18:53.20spigotyou just end up debugging issues that nobody should be bothering with, imho. find the package in testing or sid, have apt build it for you against fresh sources and your own isntalled libs
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18:53.46annadanedo not mix stable + testing/sid...
18:53.56annadaneyou can potentially use simplebackportcreation
18:54.20spigoti didnt say use the binary from sid, I said build the package from the sources in sid against the currently installed libraries. isnt that a backport?
18:54.33annadaneyeah, ok. i didn't read it properly
18:54.59spigotsokay. I'm unnecessarily against people using the easier for them until something breaks- option
18:55.03n4dirspigot: the user stevepusser (or similar) was very active in forums.debian.net. He wrote posts about repackaging ppa's for debian. You might want to search for his posts.
18:55.18spigots/unnecessarily/unreasonably/ I'm also maybe needing some bloodsugar
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18:55.43spigotif there are ppa's that used debian as the base, I'm all for that. I just don't usually come across them
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18:55.56spigotand usig something that was built against ubuntu patched packages is just asking for trouble
18:56.18n4dirhe sure knows what he is talking about. Your choice.
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18:57.05spigotwell we seem to be talking about the same thing- I'm saying I'm all about ppas based against debian as opposed to using packages in debian built on an ubuntu base- seems like that's his choice as well :P
18:57.23n4diryeah, sure.
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18:57.41spigotor are you saying he's got some way you can just use an ubuntu ppa- sure you can do that, and like most things itll just work most of the time
18:57.44spigot*shrug*
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18:58.01spigotfyi for anyone who cares iwconfig is unreliable to report changing wireless bitrates. TIL
18:58.12n-iCehi
18:58.19n4dirno, don't use ppa's. I only spoke of backporting (and only for packages, which don't exist in sid)
18:58.34n4diri never did it, as i never had a reason to do it.
18:59.18p0rthow to reinstall some specific kernel module? I'm talking specifically about ext4.ko, which cannot be copied because of input/output error, which itself leads to update-initramfs screaming at me that something is wrong.
19:00.17spigotwait you mean you should only backport from testing? whats wrong with taking a source package in sid and building binaries against my current system?
19:00.33n4dirwhere did i say something about testing?
19:00.34at0m!backports
19:00.34dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
19:00.49abrotmanp0rt: can you write to anything on the filesystem, or you're using a LiveCD?
19:00.58abrotmanor rescue boot of some sort
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19:01.30p0rtabrotman: I'm on a running system, and I can write things to my fs
19:01.40abrotmanjust not that file?
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19:01.48abrotmandpkg: tell madgeek81 about root
19:01.57abrotmanp0rt: you can "aptitude reinstall <pkg>"
19:02.55spigot*shrug* nm I'm lost and I seem to have ticked you off. sorry. you said you only spoke of backporting and only for packages which don't exist in sid. I'm not sure what you meant by that at all
19:03.09p0rtabrotman: yeah, but I'm getting the following error:
19:03.12p0rtcp: error reading '/lib/modules/4.12.0-1-686-pae/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko': Input/output error
19:03.14p0rtdepmod: ERROR: failed to load symbols from /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_lDFvSj/lib/modules/4.12.0-1-686-pae/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko: Invalid argument
19:03.22p0rtso it's not as simple as reinstalling a package
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19:03.41spigotwhat were you trying to do at first that got you to the first error?
19:03.50n4dirspigot: only if packages don't exist in debian sid, backporting them from a ppa seems to make sense. And from what i have heard (stevepusser) it seems to work rather well.
19:03.53n4dirk?
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19:04.34p0rtspigot: Installing some package, nothing kernel related, like rtv or mpv or whatever
19:04.39spigotOH okay. I see waht you're saying. yeah no of course that's my thing- if it exists in debian at all, use that, and if its only for a newer distribution, debian is nice enogh to try to build it for you against your current system
19:05.06n4diryup. we agree, it seems, but had some hard times to figure it out.
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19:06.53abrotmanp0rt: you get that when?
19:07.02abrotmanp0rt: which package did you reinstall?
19:07.40spigotp0rt: just an install, not any upgrades along with it? yeah, more details are needed unfortunately.
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19:08.52p0rtabrotman, spigot: It could be after an upgrade, which I also performed.
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19:09.20p0rtNot exactly sure if it happened after installing rtv or upgrade, but the latter is more likely.
19:09.22abrotmanp0rt: have you tried reinstalling the kernel package?  I'm guessing, linux-image-4.12.0-1-686-pae
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19:09.25spigotyeah that seems to be something funky with initramfs. I don't know the details of how it works without looking, but I don't think it should be accessing a kernel module in /tmp at any point
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19:10.01p0rtabrotman: Yeah, did that. Gives no errors.
19:10.18p0rtAnd then I do update initramfs -k all -u
19:10.55abrotmanand that gives errors?
19:11.01p0rtyeah
19:11.07spigoton a debian system? running iniramfs manually? do you have a particlar need to do that?
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19:11.17spigotI thought all kernel package upgrades handled stuff like that
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19:11.52p0rtThat's right but since I saw it screaming about errors I decided to run update-initramfs manually
19:12.02spigotfair enough :P
19:12.15spigotdo you have a backup kernel installed?
19:12.28p0rtspigot: nope xD
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19:13.07spigothmm. might be time to investigate installing a 3.x branch. it'd let you boot it, purge the 4.x branch, then rebuild it using nothing but fresh sources
19:13.21spigotI find it handy to always have two installed in case an update hoses something
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19:13.43spigotthough.. I say that wondering if 3.x is on stretch. maybe I just mean another version of 4.x
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19:14.08spigotdon't underestimate the power of deleting as much as possible handled by the package manager and installing from scratch :D
19:14.19p0rtspigot: I'm on buster right now, but since it's not a buster-specific problem I asked here
19:14.26p0rtspigot: That's usually my strategy
19:14.29p0rt:D
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19:16.04p0rtI'm curious if my system will boot if I reboot it now, since it's ext4 on lvm on luks, so not having ext4 in initramfs might be problematic
19:16.18spigotIm guessing it might be
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19:16.55spigotwhich is why i was like oh installa  whole separate kernel with separate modules and get it into your bootloader before you get stuck needing a rescue install
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19:17.07p0rtYup, that's a good idea
19:17.39spigotare all the kids in a discord now? :P this place is quieter than I remember it.
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19:18.08abrotmanit's Sunday
19:18.31p0rtspigot: I don't know, I see a lot of people using discord but since it's proprietary it's... meh
19:18.36spigoteveryone's actually doing things rather than idling in her while at work?
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19:20.18spigotyeah it'll go more and more for profit slowly until it becomes like the rest of the irc options over the years. I still end up having to use it to find some devs though. a bunch of the elite dangerous 3rd party app devs. the kerbal operating system folks are responsive in another one.
19:21.02annadane!chat
19:21.02dpkgThis is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel.  Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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19:22.30spigotyeah we wouldn't want to dornw out all the support happening.
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19:22.57p0rtspigot: Okay, I'm gonna try rebooting it with 4.9 since it's stretch's only kernel
19:23.01p0rtoh
19:23.21teraflopssoft-ragequit it seems
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19:29.36p0rtYeah, rebooting with the broken kernel failed since there was no way to mount root, but luckily, as spigot suggested I installed a second kernel which I'm on right now
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21:53.05crimsonmaneHello. I installed Debian in VirtualBox as I wanted to install all of the default desktop environments in their "naked" expression. Unfortunately selecting all of the DE's during install produces an error. Accidentally I installed without selecting even one, and got a console install (which has always been how I use Debian). Now it is time to learn a new skill: how to install and use a desktop environment when one was not
21:53.05crimsonmaneoriginally installed? I have already executed "apt install mate-desktop-environment", but do not know how to 'launch' it. 'startx' is not a valid command.
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21:54.10dvscrimsonmane, you probably need a desktop manager, like lxdm
21:54.46crimsonmanePerhaps you mean a display manager?
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21:55.10dvsthat too. ;-)
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21:58.30awal1wdm is good
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21:58.45awal1or sddm
21:59.22chomwitta minor update in jessie broke sound and know it seems too too dificult to rollback. i've heard debian officially dont support rollbacking...
21:59.26chomwitt:-(
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21:59.54annadanechomwitt, it's possible we can fix your issue
22:00.03annadanechomwitt, you updated jessie and now there's no sound?
22:00.22chomwittyes.
22:00.39annadanechomwitt, can you paste to paste.debian.net the update that broke the sound?
22:00.46awal1sddm - breeze theme if not kde
22:00.58chomwitti tried to rollback only pulseaudio (which is a suspect) but it will remove hundred of packages!!
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22:01.11chomwittannadane: one moment
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22:03.53chomwitthttp://paste.debian.net/985465/
22:04.08crimsonmaneI've installed nodm and rebooted. I am presented with the normal console login instead of an automatic graphic environment (it is supposed to auto-login). I suspect I need to press CTRL ALT F7 or something, which I can't do because it's in virtualbox.
22:04.08chomwitthttp://paste.debian.net/plain/985465
22:05.19johnkeatesnodm = not any dm? that means you get no dm and no graphics right?
22:05.33annadanea quick ctrl f for pulseaudio gives gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio as the only entry
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22:05.52dvs,i nodm
22:05.53juddPackage nodm (misc, extra) in stretch/amd64: automatic display manager. Version: 0.13-1.3; Size: 44.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage: https://github.com/spanezz/nodm/
22:06.11crimsonmanenodm is for single-user, kiosk-like.
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22:07.18annadanechomwitt, was there any rebooting done?
22:07.35chomwittannadane: yes
22:07.50annadaneand then i guess only after the reboot there was no sound?
22:08.03chomwitti'think so . yes
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22:09.21awal1extra configuration is required for nodm to work correctly
22:09.31chomwittwell it could be the radeon libre driver because there is an HDMI sound profile in kde's sound settings, although i dont remember if it was enabled
22:10.51crimsonmanesame result with xdm as nodm
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22:12.02awal1nodm = autologin/no login prompt
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22:12.25awal1xdm in a standard DM
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22:12.59dvscrimsonmane, did you remove nodm?
22:13.10chipdalfhello and good evening. i am using debian stable with kde plasma, but i have a problem: if i click on the usb-widget for example, the window with the devices does not open. If i reboot the system it opens, but if my computer is gone to hibernate and i wake it up, then mostly i cannot open the device window. anyone knows a workaround or would it be better to ask at the kde-channel?
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22:14.38annadanechipdalf, i think that's probably more of a kde question but you may also get an answer in the meantime that you're asking in there
22:15.08crimsonmanedvs: of course
22:15.18annadaneyou can probably try asking there as well, in other words
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22:16.12chomwittannadane: i'm considering following the procedure presented in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/79050/can-i-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade-if-something-goes-wrong
22:16.23chomwitt!rollback
22:17.11annadanei wonder if apt pinning might solve your issue
22:17.16annadanei don't know that much about it
22:17.25crimsonmanelightdm worked
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22:19.50annadanebah, there i go answering questions i don't know the answer to, i'm sure someone does
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22:27.01annadaneah i see the tutorial mentions that
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22:48.34rigelso i am on stretch, and keep having trouble with UPnP. it doesnt throw the same error as in bug #816771, but it also is not working and instead the search is timing out
22:48.35juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/816771 in libupnp6 (closed, upstream, ipv6, fixed-upstream, patch): «vlc: upnp-module doesn't work»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-05; last modified: 2017-01-27.
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22:49.22rigelyes, i have the same functional problem as in the bug listed there, and am using the version ( -1.2) in which the bug was supposedly fixed
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22:51.13pennTellerHi guys I have a directory full of txt files where each contains the base64 version of a jpeg... Does anybody know an easy way to convert all of them to actual jpegs? Thanks
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22:53.55TramppennTeller: for f in *.txt; do base64 -d "$f" > "${f%.txt}.jpg"; done maybe?
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22:54.24pennTellerTramp, that could work! let me check it out :)
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23:06.05pennTellerTramp, thank you SO much man! your suggestion was very close to the real life implementation that I was able to finish it myself
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23:06.18pennTellerTramp, much appreciated
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23:28.34ac_slaterhey guys, what's a good way to resize my root partition? I know there used to be a rescue option in grub back in the day. I could use a live disk, but can I do it without?
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23:29.35ac_slaterthe 'recovery' mode simply avoids X, but doesn't put me only in initrd or something
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23:32.13Loshkiac_slater: just use a live disk and gparted. And do a full backup first.
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23:33.09ac_slaterLoshki: right
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23:33.46ac_slaterI was hoping I could install a minimal env
23:33.52ac_slaterI remember that being a thing
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23:34.57crimsonmaneac_slater: if you want to modify the main drive (partition) it must not be mounted. So you have to boot from a Live Session.
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23:40.05ac_slatercrimsonmane: true
23:40.07ac_slaterthanks guys
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23:50.15FunkyBobmorninhg, all
23:50.42FunkyBobjust set up my new laptop with the latest debian install [and now on testing] ... and for some reason the audio through the headphones is only the rear speakers, itseems
23:50.53FunkyBobwondering what tools I can use to diagnose/fix this\
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23:54.41FunkyBobTCP
23:54.50FunkyBobnormally
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