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| 00:22.42 | imMute | crimsonmane: it's not a single computer - it's hundreds, if not thousands. I already have the mechanisms in place to *execute* the update, my problem is figuring out *which* packages need to be included in the update. |
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| 00:33.33 | crimsonmane | imMute: do they call home? |
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| 00:44.43 | imMute | some could. I've thought about setting up an apt server they could pull from, but it would be alot of work to convince IT to run a public Linux server (we're a Windows shop as far as IT is concerned). some of them can't get out to the internet though. |
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| 02:13.06 | larvallid | On a new installation of Debian 9.1.0, in GNOME Control Center (Settings), the text "Region & Language" takes up two lines and is wrapped to "Region & Lan" \ "guage". "guage" is on the second line. This bug has been reported on Ubuntu as #1696261 and on GNOME as 771027. Both bug reports say it's been fixed. I've installed on this machine in the past without this problem. Is there anything I can do (other than reinstalling) to fix it? |
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| 02:53.58 | psychoghost | How can I disable password prompt |
| 02:55.03 | n-iCe | for root? |
| 02:55.06 | n-iCe | for login? |
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| 02:57.29 | psychoghost | Both |
| 02:57.47 | psychoghost | Let me give you a scenario |
| 02:58.08 | psychoghost | Like to install stuff you put a password |
| 02:58.56 | annadane | i'm not sure you even can and why would you even want to |
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| 03:00.25 | n-iCe | sudo -i is the way to go if you don't want to be typing a password every 10 mins while doing modifications in your system (or other systems), and you don't want to modify any system files. |
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| 03:02.03 | annadane | oh, well, you can su -c |
| 03:02.15 | annadane | so it saves a step |
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| 03:23.45 | psychoghost | I want to do it because want to have quick access and install packages |
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| 03:26.03 | Sveta | psychoghost: you can do passwordless sudo |
| 03:27.12 | psychoghost | Indeed but now that I think about it ain't that a security risk? |
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| 03:40.58 | annadane | yes it is |
| 03:44.13 | psychoghost | Well I don't think is that bad cuz Noone uses my computer and there are hardly viruses for Linux... I'll check out that passwordless option |
| 03:45.20 | annadane | yes but what if somebody gets access remotely? |
| 03:45.34 | annadane | it's your computer but i'd advise against it |
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| 03:46.41 | psychoghost | Hmm well you do have a good point... I'll do some homework before doing it to weigh out the cost of things |
| 03:46.59 | annadane | if the only reason you don't want a password is because it's more convenient, you're doing it wrong |
| 03:48.31 | psychoghost | I do want log in password but I wanted to just install packages without password prompt |
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| 03:49.33 | annadane | still, i'd advise against it, but whatever |
| 03:50.31 | psychoghost | Ok I'll take your advice |
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| 05:34.21 | Nawab | hello |
| 05:34.36 | Nawab | how do i start nm configuration editor |
| 05:34.49 | Nawab | do i type nm-config-editor in the console? |
| 05:35.11 | nkuttler | try it? |
| 05:35.24 | Nawab | i hav tried |
| 05:35.50 | Nawab | nm-config-editor |
| 05:35.50 | Nawab | bash: nm-config-editor: command not found |
| 05:36.12 | Nawab | whats the correct term,i hav forgotten |
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| 05:37.00 | themill | connection? |
| 05:37.01 | annadane | systemctl start nm-config-editor.service? no idea |
| 05:37.14 | Nawab | not starting up the Network manager |
| 05:37.22 | Nawab | editing the configuration |
| 05:37.23 | themill | nm-<tab><tab> sounds like a good start... |
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| 05:37.40 | Nawab | yes thnx |
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| 06:52.52 | iodev | hi, I have an issue with networking.service (I think) |
| 06:53.00 | iodev | it takes 10 secs for it to start |
| 06:53.14 | iodev | and when I want to shutdown I get "A stop job is running for Raise network interfaces" |
| 06:53.37 | iodev | and it's very annoying, sometimes I have to wait 5 min! |
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| 08:14.37 | zebu | is there any way to have back iwconfig in debian 9 ? I really dislike the new iw command -- it's not eay to handle wifi connections with it. For short, I can do nothing with iw :( |
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| 08:19.23 | mxh- | zebu: wireless-tools |
| 08:19.53 | mxh- | zebu: apt-file search --regex bin/iwconfig to find it, works for most binaries :) |
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| 08:28.38 | HoloIRCUser | Systemctl is broken. Always returns the help msg for shutdown |
| 08:29.16 | HoloIRCUser | Can't restart any service. Shutdown not workinh |
| 08:29.32 | mxh- | HoloIRCUser: what's journalctl telling you? |
| 08:30.45 | HoloIRCUser | I'm travelling and had to power off. It is off right now |
| 08:31.57 | HoloIRCUser | Don't know when I can boot it up |
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| 08:33.10 | HoloIRCUser | Hoping for some ideas or links |
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| 08:38.59 | nkuttler | HoloIRCUser: paste.debian.net the actual command + error |
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| 08:40.31 | DebianUser628 | Greetings. Debian just fucked me over. Hard. After turning on, it automatically opened Pidgin before I could start the VPN. In Panic, I hit the Off-Button. It is LVM-encrypted, and now it does start. It tells me something along (initramfs). How do I fix that? |
| 08:40.46 | DebianUser628 | *does not start |
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| 08:43.25 | DebianUser628 | "failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning" |
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| 08:47.15 | Epakai | that sounds normal, it doesn't find a volume to decrypt after that? |
| 08:47.48 | DebianUser628 | I guess so :x |
| 08:50.34 | Epakai | is this a fresh install? |
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| 08:51.37 | DebianUser628 | Yes, two days ago |
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| 08:55.18 | themill | DebianUser628: have you ever rebooted this machine before? |
| 08:55.49 | DebianUser628 | Yes, 1 or 2 times |
| 08:56.06 | DebianUser628 | It doesn't doesn't work because I had to turn it off mechanically |
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| 09:13.57 | DebianUser628 | So, there's nothing I can do? themill epakai |
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| 09:15.44 | Epakai | rescue mode of the installer, get your stuff mounted, chroot, check uuids in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab, update-initramfs, update-grub |
| 09:15.51 | OS-31032 | #offsec |
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| 09:16.01 | Epakai | !fixmbr |
| 09:16.02 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 09:16.32 | Epakai | that vaguely describes the process, but doesn't talk about mounting encrypted partitions |
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| 09:41.12 | DebianUser628 | epakai I'm in the rescue mode of the LiveCD now. It asks whyt parttion I want to use as the root partition. What should I select? |
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| 09:43.21 | Epakai | is there anything to select? your root partition would have been encrypted. I don't remember if it can handle that, you may have to drop to a shell and do things yourself |
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| 09:45.45 | DebianUser628 | Also: Assemble RAID-array and Use no Root-Partition |
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| 09:49.20 | Epakai | i guess use no root, here's a more step by step of getting the partitions mounted and chroot done: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2266650 |
| 09:49.35 | shtrb | Does anyone have an idea other than pulseaudio-module-bluetooth and ofono what other packages should I install to pair debian with a car (and have a nice workflow) |
| 09:49.58 | shtrb | it works (have audio) but I wish to get more fancy options that I just don't know that exist |
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| 10:00.06 | ceptor | What would I use kerberos authentication for, if i already have LDAP authentication set up? |
| 10:00.12 | ceptor | I can see 2 differences: 1) with KRB i dont have to trust the services, since they will never see the user password and 2) If i log in once on my client i am authenticated for all services. Am I seing this right? |
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| 10:24.00 | Guest70355 | heey |
| 10:25.05 | Guest70355 | Is there someone here that has a deep understanding of hardware ? |
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| 10:25.44 | Epakai | no |
| 10:25.58 | shtrb | !ask |
| 10:25.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:28.38 | Guest70355 | When i run dmidecode i can get the serial numbers of hardware components, some hardware components do not work because the serial can not be read, does someone know where for example an a ram module this serial is located ( which chip, how can I find it ) ? |
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| 10:35.15 | Epakai | look for the tiny little 8-pin chip, common ones are AT24, AT34, 24C01, 24C02 |
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| 10:37.48 | alocer | hello guys. what is the differences between user cpu time and system cpu time. output of 'time' command. |
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| 10:54.46 | gr8 | hey experts! I usually use Thunar to mount my external hard disk. I don't exactly know how it works, but it's only accessible for one user. I would like to mount it so that all local user accounts can access it |
| 10:55.18 | gpunk | gr8: put it in /etc/fstab |
| 10:55.44 | gr8 | with which options? Can Thunar still mount it then? |
| 10:56.08 | gpunk | if you want it will be mounted at boot time, available for everyone |
| 10:56.09 | gr8 | oh and it's an encrypted password, so one user has to type in the password |
| 10:56.14 | gr8 | *encrypted device |
| 10:56.27 | gr8 | no, just on demand |
| 10:56.27 | gpunk | then you need a password at boot time |
| 10:56.39 | gr8 | the hard disk is not always plugged in |
| 10:57.37 | gr8 | like, instead of /media/user/blabla I want Thunar to mount the disk to some place where everyone can access it |
| 10:57.41 | gpunk | take a look at man of fstab , I cant explain it all here |
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| 11:12.42 | Arahael | i am looking for a debian dvd to download, but i can only see torrents which i wont be able to use from work |
| 11:13.05 | Arahael | are there other options? (i have very limited internet at home) |
| 11:13.14 | shtrb | http ? |
| 11:13.20 | AndreasLutro | https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 11:13.24 | Arahael | http would be good |
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| 11:13.38 | mxh- | Arahael: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 11:13.51 | mxh- | Just had to look few seconds extra ;) |
| 11:14.15 | Arahael | thanks - that wasnt at https://www.debian.org/distrib/ :) |
| 11:14.43 | AndreasLutro | it is - the "A larger complete installation image" link |
| 11:15.07 | Arahael | AndreasLutro: those links were all jigdo/torrent though? |
| 11:15.36 | AndreasLutro | you musthave clicked some wrong links then |
| 11:15.42 | AndreasLutro | I'll admit though the debian download pages are horrible |
| 11:15.45 | mxh- | Ad1Tech: You picked netinstall instead of regular :) |
| 11:15.51 | mxh- | Yeah they are not good |
| 11:15.58 | mxh- | Arahael** |
| 11:16.00 | tomreyn | could also be due to the localization |
| 11:16.07 | Arahael | mxh-: thanks |
| 11:17.24 | Arahael | also, stable amd64 should run on a system that has 32bit-only uefi? |
| 11:18.02 | tremon | that depends on why it has 32-bit uefi |
| 11:18.24 | tremon | if it has 32bit uefi because the processor doesn't support 64bit, then no (obviously) |
| 11:18.39 | Arahael | tremon: the processor supports 64bit |
| 11:18.55 | Arahael | it is a shuttle XS35V2 |
| 11:19.02 | tremon | 32bit uefi supports 64-bit kernels just fine |
| 11:20.11 | Arahael | just repurposing an old computer to be a backup server, yeah i previously ran debian 64 bit on it but i vaguely remember having to do some tricks to get it to boot |
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| 11:21.08 | tremon | if it has a CSM, you can always fall back on legacy (bios) boot |
| 11:21.12 | tremon | most intel boards do |
| 11:21.39 | Arahael | cant remember, indont think it had that |
| 11:21.51 | Vizva | i did write the command mount /dev/mapper/usb2 /mnt |
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| 11:22.01 | EvilSoul | hello |
| 11:22.04 | Vizva | it answer FUSE exfat 1.2.5 |
| 11:22.04 | EvilSoul | anyone around ? |
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| 11:22.21 | EvilSoul | any ideea how i can fix this error ? |
| 11:22.22 | EvilSoul | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/torsocks/libtorsocks.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 11:22.28 | Vizva | and mount my device but its a luks usb with ext4 formatting |
| 11:22.43 | tremon | EvilSoul: unset LD_PRELOAD |
| 11:22.45 | Vizva | so why did it write exfat? |
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| 11:23.26 | tremon | Vizva: what does blkid /dev/mapper/usb2, and file -s /dev/mapper/usb2 ? |
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| 11:24.11 | Vizva | i just look now |
| 11:24.19 | Vizva | its a little bit strange |
| 11:24.40 | EvilSoul | tremon how can i do this unset LD_PRELOAD ? |
| 11:25.02 | Vizva | maybe it use a old formtting? |
| 11:25.17 | tremon | "unset LD_PRELOAD" is just a shell command, you can run this from the same shell where you start the application that gives you that error |
| 11:25.31 | tremon | if it's started by a script, then maybe you have to edit that script |
| 11:25.46 | Vizva | blkid show its exfat but i dont format it like this |
| 11:26.05 | EvilSoul | crap. i dunno how to edit that |
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| 11:26.55 | tremon | well how did you format it? did you use cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/mapper/usb2 or something else? |
| 11:27.11 | tremon | EvilSoul: which application is it? is it a debian package? |
| 11:27.39 | Vizva | if you do cryptsetup later than formatting and format it with ext4 ?? how come to the exfat which is maybe on the usb when i buy it? |
| 11:27.47 | Vizva | i will look for the comamnd i did use |
| 11:28.04 | EvilSoul | tremon yes |
| 11:28.08 | EvilSoul | im trying to run a bot |
| 11:28.11 | EvilSoul | on Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 11:28.25 | gunix | how come maxscale is not within the debian/ubuntu repositories? it seems to be the best load balancing solution for Galera Cluster |
| 11:28.55 | Arahael | debian is only 3 dvds now? |
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| 11:29.24 | Arahael | ah, the rest only available via jigdo |
| 11:29.37 | Arahael | fair enough - only need the first one anyway |
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| 11:30.05 | tremon | evilsoul: with which debian package? |
| 11:30.14 | tremon | note that Debian 6.0 has been EOL for over three years now, and out of extended support too. |
| 11:30.41 | EvilSoul | tremon dunno what package, how can i see that ? |
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| 11:31.09 | tremon | did you install your program with apt-get? |
| 11:31.13 | Vizva | !paste |
| 11:31.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:34.57 | BadReligion | http://paste.debian.net/986466/ |
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| 11:35.43 | Vizva | BadReligion have my commands, i dont remember now which one i use for this stick because i have two but all of them dont point to exfat |
| 11:37.28 | Vizva | omg its not complete |
| 11:37.35 | tremon | if you followed those steps to the letter, then /dev/mapper/usb2 should not be formatted at all |
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| 11:38.07 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:38.33 | BadReligion | mkfs.ext4 -m0 /dev/mapper/usb2 |
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| 11:39.08 | Vizva | on the first i did this commend before mmount it |
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| 11:39.56 | Vizva | tremon i forget to paste this on the first example because i tried mount it before formatting then i format it and mount again |
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| 11:40.48 | tremon | so what's the output of blkid /dev/sdc, and dmsetup ls ? |
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| 11:41.50 | tremon | make that dmsetup deps instead of dmsetup ls |
| 11:42.11 | Vizva | moment i do |
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| 11:42.52 | Arahael | out of curiosity, is ARM a viable server for consumers, if so, where do i find them? |
| 11:43.49 | tremon | what kind of server? you can find ARM in all consumer NAS products, in every Pi and its clones, and in virtually all smart TVs |
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| 11:44.29 | BadReligion | http://paste.debian.net/986469/ |
| 11:44.52 | Vizva | that BadReligion paste about the 2 commands |
| 11:44.52 | Arahael | tremon: general purpose, though i do ultimately want to build a fileserver |
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| 11:46.10 | tremon | scaleway offers arm-based hosting, and I believe so does digitalocean |
| 11:46.21 | Vizva | i did forget again something+ |
| 11:46.28 | Vizva | i got old r wehat? |
| 11:46.38 | mxh- | tremon: Is digitaloceans cheapest ARM-based? |
| 11:46.38 | Arahael | yeah, thats hosted though |
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| 11:46.54 | tremon | mxh-: don't know exactly |
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| 11:47.21 | BadReligion | blkid /dev/sdc |
| 11:47.24 | tremon | Arahael: have you comen across http://www.armitx.com/ ? |
| 11:47.40 | Arahael | not yet - that looks good! |
| 11:47.41 | BadReligion | ./dev/sdc: UUID="f271ea54-d71a-47a9-9159-c168e58d90db" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" |
| 11:47.53 | mxh- | tremon: Nah, no mention of it. Still, their cheapest is more than enough for me |
| 11:50.08 | tremon | Arahael: also some ARM motherboards on LogicSupply |
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| 11:50.30 | quietone | hi |
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| 11:50.56 | Arahael | tremon: thabks - they do seem hard to find |
| 11:51.22 | tremon | BadReligion / Vizva : dmsetup deps will be useful too |
| 11:51.23 | quietone | systemctl is broken. it always returns the 'Usage: shutdown [-akrhPHfFnc] [-t sec] time [warning message] ...' for all commands |
| 11:51.34 | Vizva | so someone know why i could have exfat there on this usb? |
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| 11:52.05 | quietone | plus 'shutdown' itself does nothing. |
| 11:52.32 | Arahael | Vizva: partition type? |
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| 11:53.19 | tsuyubo | hello, |
| 11:53.26 | quietone | someone suggested 'journalctl'. Ok, but what to look for in the screens of data that puts out? |
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| 11:54.05 | tsuyubo | After installing libvirt and installing with option -n debian-testing, |
| 11:54.11 | thecat | when I build a debian package with dpkg-buildpackage, it always builds the whole bundle, including the *-dev*.deb, *dbgsym*.deb packages. |
| 11:54.16 | BadReligion | dmsetup deps - http://paste.debian.net/986473/ |
| 11:54.18 | thecat | how can I build without these ? |
| 11:54.26 | tsuyubo | how can i restart my vm? |
| 11:54.32 | thecat | I only need the package itself, no -dev or dbgsym |
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| 11:55.35 | tsuyubo | virsh list display empty |
| 11:56.02 | mxh- | quietone: Run it so you get an error, then run systemctl -xe as root |
| 11:56.36 | mxh- | quietone: Newest errors will be at the bottom,you should be able to see what first went wrong by following the chain upwards |
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| 11:57.08 | mxh- | (not just errors btw) |
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| 11:57.54 | tremon | Vizva: can you do ls -l /dev/sd? and work out which devices correspond to minor numbers 64 and 80? that should be /dev/sde and /dev/sdf, not sdc and sdh |
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| 11:58.59 | tremon | (because dmsetup deps shows that /dev/mapper/usb and /dev/mapper/usb2 are backed by devices 8:80 and 8:64 respectively) |
| 11:59.18 | quietone | mxh, 'sudo systemctl -xe' returns "systemctl: invalid option -- 'x'" followed by the usage msg for shutdown. |
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| 12:00.21 | mxh- | quietone: What about just running systemctl as normal user? |
| 12:00.23 | tremon | quietone: what's the output of which systemctl and file -L `which systemctl` ? |
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| 12:00.40 | mxh- | good idea tremon. |
| 12:01.43 | Vizva | sde is 64 and sdf is 80 |
| 12:02.16 | quietone | tremon, 'which systemctl' -> '/bin/systemctl' . /bin/systemctl: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=76f027bfc6369c5842a90623c577a3d2b5cf83c0, stripped |
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| 12:03.27 | tremon | hmm, that seems normal. |
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| 12:03.45 | tremon | quietone: have you tried apt-get --reinstall install systemd ? |
| 12:04.33 | tremon | Vizva: ok, but then your previous paste is confusing. Your earlier paste created LUKS containers on /dev/sdc and /dev/sdh, mounted those and formatted them |
| 12:05.14 | tremon | but what you have opened now in your system is /dev/sdf as usb, and /dev/sde as usb2 |
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| 12:06.17 | Vizva | tremon i did use this formatting some days ago |
| 12:06.22 | tremon | (I realize it's usb, so it may simply be the same devices but you unplugged and replugged them, hence the change in block letters) |
| 12:06.25 | Vizva | and reboot many times since |
| 12:06.34 | tremon | yup, that would explain it :) |
| 12:06.45 | quietone | tremon, no. will try now |
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| 12:07.26 | tremon | Vizva: your approach looks valid, so I can't really explain why the devices would show up as exfat |
| 12:08.23 | tremon | if there's no data on the exfat partition, I'd just re-format as ext4 (again), copy some data onto it, unmount the disk (don't forget to luksClose) |
| 12:08.24 | Vizva | moment i think about what i have before |
| 12:08.46 | tremon | then unplug the disk, replug it can check what it says then |
| 12:09.10 | Vizva | it have some gb of picture on it |
| 12:09.25 | tremon | if it's still exfat, you may have a counterfeit device on your hands and shouldn't trust it for anything |
| 12:09.27 | quietone | tremon, better. 'systemctl status' is working. |
| 12:09.36 | tremon | \o/ |
| 12:10.36 | quietone | tremon, trying shutdown now |
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| 12:12.31 | Vizva | the the strange thing is too .. |
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| 12:13.30 | Vizva | this usb its a sandisk extreme 128 gb stick and before it was luks and lvm in a lvm group and together with the other formatted with btrfs |
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| 12:14.01 | Vizva | sorry wrong its was ext4 |
| 12:15.10 | Vizva | so now its a long time when it had maybe exfat |
| 12:15.10 | quietone | tremon, shutdown working now too. Thank you oodles and oodles! |
| 12:15.33 | tremon | you can also try nuking the first few MB of the partition (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/usb2 bs=4k count=1k), and make sure that it can no longer be mounted as exfat |
| 12:16.15 | tremon | it may be (I'm not sure) that the ext4 disk signature is in a different position on the disk than the exfat one, and what you've created now has two valid disk signatures |
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| 12:16.48 | Vizva | tremon i think i got old |
| 12:16.53 | Vizva | i have a mistake |
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| 12:17.09 | Vizva | i have more than one which are such a stick |
| 12:17.18 | Vizva | and i change it |
| 12:17.40 | Vizva | so everything is correct |
| 12:18.07 | tremon | lol... so now you've learned to never never buy two of the same usb sticks :D |
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| 12:18.28 | tremon | or at least label your usb sticks |
| 12:18.45 | Vizva | and i go to dinenr and think about the future , how to could prevent :P |
| 12:19.05 | Vizva | i do label it but i hope its not alzheimer or somthing like that |
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| 12:19.22 | Vizva | the other stick lay down near |
| 12:19.25 | Vizva | thank you |
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| 12:26.07 | zebu | mxh-: thx for the "apt-file search --regex bin/iwconfig". I didn't know this feature with apt ;) |
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| 13:07.26 | gunix | what was that setting within gnome to stop full screen apps (like games) from minimizing when alt tabbing? |
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| 13:37.09 | Silvester | hey guys. is it possible to run gnome without gnome shell or mutter altogether and just use it with openbox or smth? i like gnome3 apps and how tightly knit they are together but gnome shell is a terrible waste of my ram |
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| 13:39.09 | apollo13 | probably, but not sure if it's worth your time given the prices of ram |
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| 13:40.04 | Silvester | true, ram isn't really an issue in general use cases such as mine. i was just curious if i could switch it up though |
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| 13:40.19 | Silvester | gnome-flashback still seems to use a cubic ton of ram though |
| 13:40.33 | apollo13 | the apps per se should run, it is questionable how much extra services you will need to start for a nice integration though |
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| 13:40.48 | apollo13 | define tons |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | would thikn they'd work less well if you weren't using gnome-shell .. |
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| 13:41.40 | Silvester | immediately after boot, on my laptop the ram usage is around 1020MB with a normal gnome session - with gnome-flashback, so using gnome-panel it's somewhere around 850MB |
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| 13:41.53 | Silvester | at this point i might as well use plasma and it would use less ram |
| 13:41.54 | apollo13 | Silvester: you are doing something wron |
| 13:42.01 | Silvester | i probably am :( |
| 13:42.02 | apollo13 | my gnome shell uses 243M |
| 13:42.12 | apollo13 | are you mixing up virtual memory and actual memory usage? |
| 13:43.12 | Silvester | currently with one epiphany tab and polari open |
| 13:43.18 | Silvester | i typed 'free -m' in the console |
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| 13:43.35 | Silvester | total 7898, used 2196, free 4941, shared 256, buff/cache 760, available 5211 |
| 13:43.49 | apollo13 | and how much do you think is in use given that output? |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | Silvester: that's not actually helpful .. try running 'top' and then hit "M" to sort by memory usage? |
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| 13:45.30 | abrotman | Silvester: ? |
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| 13:46.23 | Silvester | sorry, i might be a little challenged |
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| 13:46.58 | Silvester | ok, so gnome-shell seems to be using about 230M |
| 13:47.00 | Silvester | then there's gdm's gnome shell |
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| 13:47.04 | Silvester | also using about 150M |
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| 13:47.13 | dvs | uh oh |
| 13:47.21 | Silvester | what do |
| 13:47.47 | Silvester | gdm also runs pulseaudio for some reason |
| 13:48.26 | apollo13 | sure, needs to play some sound ;) |
| 13:48.36 | Silvester | actually, let me rephrase this |
| 13:48.39 | Silvester | why does gdm run all this stuff |
| 13:48.43 | Silvester | when i am logged in |
| 13:48.58 | Silvester | i understand for accessibility stuff it perhaps would need the pulseaudio |
| 13:49.00 | Silvester | but |
| 13:49.02 | Silvester | can't i just cut down on this? |
| 13:49.04 | apollo13 | because gdm still runs |
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| 13:49.25 | Silvester | ok, quickly googled this |
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| 13:49.31 | Silvester | gdm runs on tty1 and i am on tty2 ?! |
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| 13:49.34 | apollo13 | hit ctrl + alt + f1 and you are probably on the login mask again, if you use ctrl + alt + f2 you should be back |
| 13:49.36 | apollo13 | yeah |
| 13:49.37 | Silvester | i can switch to gdm with ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 13:49.42 | Silvester | is this intended? |
| 13:49.50 | Silvester | can't i disable fast user switching? |
| 13:50.49 | apollo13 | even if you can (could?) disable user switching I don't think this would tear down gdm |
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| 13:51.28 | Silvester | but then it wouldn't require to run its own gnome-shell and pulseaudio and whatnot in the background, right? |
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| 13:52.04 | Silvester | and its own settings daemon |
| 13:52.16 | Silvester | seems like a concerning amount of processes |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | PA isn't a bad thing |
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| 13:52.49 | apollo13 | Silvester: I do not think that you would win much (anything?) at all by turning down gdm |
| 13:52.56 | Silvester | :( |
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| 13:53.30 | Silvester | i guess it's finally the cue to try out MATE then |
| 13:53.47 | apollo13 | I mean after all the data of shared libraries is shared |
| 13:53.56 | apollo13 | s/data/code/ |
| 13:54.11 | apollo13 | unless your process uses a lot of data you do not really win much by turning it down |
| 13:54.27 | apollo13 | Silvester: I'd guess that their login manager would still run all the time |
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| 13:55.13 | Silvester | I don't remember lightdm using all those resources in the background, though? :o |
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| 13:55.40 | Silvester | nor it still running on a separate tty |
| 13:55.58 | apollo13 | define "all those resources" -- till now it seems you are just guessing that gdm & friends use loads of memory that you would need |
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| 13:56.55 | Silvester | seems to be about 250 to 300 MB of RAM, adding it up in my mind |
| 13:57.07 | Silvester | i am aware that it's not much when i have 8 GB |
| 13:57.30 | Silvester | but it just seems exaggerated for a login manager |
| 13:59.10 | apollo13 | Silvester: most of that memory could as well just be shared with your actual session |
| 13:59.19 | apollo13 | so in that sense I'd still think your calculations are way off |
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| 13:59.38 | Silvester | I see... |
| 13:59.41 | Silvester | thank you apollo13 |
| 13:59.47 | Silvester | i'll look more into this |
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| 14:14.33 | Guest37982 | Can anyone help me firgure out why when i install the ardunio ide from the arduino site it creates a shortcut but when i click it nothing opens |
| 14:15.21 | gpunk | right click on it, and see if you can make it executable |
| 14:16.06 | Guest37982 | gpunk: it doesnt give that option i did chmod + x install.sh |
| 14:16.11 | Guest37982 | before installing |
| 14:16.16 | gpunk | may be a 32bit application and you dont have the 32bit layer installed , that also can happend |
| 14:16.16 | Guest37982 | but still no luck |
| 14:16.28 | Guest37982 | no its 64bit |
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| 14:16.53 | gpunk | chmod the file on your desktop, possible ? |
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| 14:17.58 | BCMM | Guest37982: check waht the .desktop launches, try running that from a terminal. see what error you get |
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| 14:18.28 | Guest37982 | ok i just did ./arduino from the install directory and got this back java: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error |
| 14:18.57 | gpunk | you may need java installed ... |
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| 14:19.27 | gpunk | double check , the requirements on their website |
| 14:19.47 | Guest37982 | how do i install java ? |
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| 14:20.11 | gpunk | apt search jre |
| 14:20.24 | gpunk | and look for the name of it |
| 14:21.22 | Guest37982 | openjdk-8-jre/stable,now 8u141-b15-1~deb9u1 i386 [installed,automatic] |
| 14:21.26 | Guest37982 | ^that |
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| 14:22.01 | Guest37982 | default-jre/stable,now 2:1.8-58 i386 [installed] |
| 14:22.39 | Guest37982 | gpunk: |
| 14:22.40 | wonuku | why not just install using apt-get ? |
| 14:22.54 | gpunk | it is installed but, |
| 14:23.08 | Guest37982 | wonuku thats an outdated version and i need the new one in order to flash esp8266's |
| 14:23.11 | gpunk | you need to run that shurtcut in a termnal , not that "binary" |
| 14:23.18 | wonuku | ok |
| 14:23.28 | Guest37982 | gpunk how would i do that ? |
| 14:23.46 | gpunk | open a shell and cd to Desktop |
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| 14:24.51 | gpunk | shell == terminal |
| 14:25.03 | Guest37982 | ./arduino-arduinoide.desktop: line 1: [Desktop: command not found |
| 14:25.04 | Guest37982 | ./arduino-arduinoide.desktop: line 3: IDE: command not found |
| 14:25.04 | Guest37982 | ./arduino-arduinoide.desktop: line 4: IDE: command not found |
| 14:25.04 | Guest37982 | ./arduino-arduinoide.desktop: line 5: electronics: command not found |
| 14:25.04 | Guest37982 | ./arduino-arduinoide.desktop: line 9: IDE: command not found |
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| 14:25.19 | wonuku | RIP |
| 14:25.24 | gpunk | oops |
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| 14:26.15 | abrotman | Guest23552: which OS is this? |
| 14:26.28 | wonuku | he is kicked |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | interesting ... |
| 14:26.40 | gpunk | debian 9.1 |
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| 14:26.51 | gpunk | i see it from his java version |
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| 14:28.19 | gpunk | he must be mad, he didnt come back |
| 14:28.24 | gpunk | :( |
| 14:28.30 | wonuku | lol |
| 14:28.58 | wonuku | I don't understand why he couldn't install it I just executed install.sh and it was over |
| 14:29.27 | gpunk | many problems are just weird |
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| 14:49.35 | freeme | Sup guys, quick question re reinstalling an OS ontop of an already LVM encrypted drive? Would it still be standard install proceedure or do I need to do anything special? |
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| 14:50.58 | freeme | going for a quick smoke, back in a flash |
| 14:51.03 | gpunk | freeme: standard , since it s gonna be repartitioned/formated |
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| 14:53.10 | freeme | cheers gpunk, had a major lapse in concentration and was getting panic'y |
| 14:53.41 | petn-randall | freeme: You should be able to do a standard install on it, but IIRC I had to use debootstrap to get a system on it. But that was about a year before the stretch release, so it might have changed. |
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| 14:56.49 | freeme | petn-rendall: cheers however this is re Parrot OS which is based off of debian. We shall see how it goes, usually boot live so not so much fussed about throwing a harddrive out the window |
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| 14:59.58 | petn-randall | freeme: petn<tab> |
| 15:00.12 | petn-randall | freeme: If you use parrot you should be asking in the right channel: |
| 15:00.13 | petn-randall | !parrot |
| 15:00.14 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 15:52.50 | ee | Hi. What app is there to burn a windows 7 installation to USB from debian? |
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| 15:53.55 | overbyte | Can this laptop run Debian https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/NH.Q1RAA.001 |
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| 15:56.12 | AlexLikeRock | what its command to look , if my hdd are ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 15:56.38 | overbyte | fdisk -l |
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| 15:59.07 | kopper | ee: Format USB to FAT32 and cp ISO to mounted USB partition |
| 15:59.31 | kopper | Aww man |
| 15:59.41 | AlexLikeRock | i got problems with HDD |
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| 16:00.47 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/986496/ |
| 16:00.53 | AlexLikeRock | overbyte, |
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| 16:01.11 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: why do you need to know if it's ext3 or ext4? |
| 16:01.20 | AlexLikeRock | to fix |
| 16:01.41 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: fix what? |
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| 16:02.13 | AlexLikeRock | SUPER BLOCK sweatsuit |
| 16:03.33 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: do you want me to keep guessing what your problem might be? |
| 16:03.38 | AlexLikeRock | i need apply fsck.ext3 or fsck.ext4 |
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| 16:03.45 | petn-randall | !tell AlexLikeRock -about smart questions |
| 16:03.50 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: doesn't "fsck <device>" figure that out? |
| 16:05.18 | overbyte | you can also use blkid |
| 16:05.50 | abrotman | petn-randall: good luck with that |
| 16:05.57 | AlexLikeRock | SwedeMike, http://paste.debian.net/986500/ |
| 16:06.27 | AlexLikeRock | tanks overbyte that work |
| 16:07.08 | AlexLikeRock | /dev/sda1: LABEL="123" UUID="xxx" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="xxxx" |
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| 16:07.21 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: you tried to fsck /dev/sda, not sda1 |
| 16:07.29 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 16:07.32 | AlexLikeRock | empy |
| 16:07.33 | SwedeMike | AlexLikeRock: try agin with sda1 |
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| 16:08.11 | AlexLikeRock | now working.... with "sda1" |
| 16:08.51 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
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| 16:10.50 | AlexLikeRock | manie times ask : |
| 16:11.00 | AlexLikeRock | The extent tree of the i-node 4063533 (level 1) could be shorter. Fix <y>? |
| 16:11.15 | AlexLikeRock | how to set YES to all ? |
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| 16:12.20 | AlexLikeRock | reading man .... |
| 16:13.04 | AlexLikeRock | -a |
| 16:13.05 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
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| 16:18.41 | AlexLikeRock | im back |
| 16:18.54 | AlexLikeRock | not work "-a" |
| 16:19.42 | AlexLikeRock | UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCE; EXECUTE fsck MANUALLY. |
| 16:19.42 | AlexLikeRock | (i.e., without the -a or -p options) |
| 16:20.11 | abrotman | Right, so do what it says |
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| 16:20.36 | Muyfret | when i go to resize a parition in gparted it won't let me change the sizze |
| 16:20.48 | Muyfret | even though there's plenty of spare space |
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| 16:22.04 | AlexLikeRock | finishim ! |
| 16:22.33 | AlexLikeRock | its fixed , tanks to sweatsuit overbyte |
| 16:22.35 | AlexLikeRock | bye |
| 16:22.55 | annadane | jesusfuckingchrist. |
| 16:23.11 | petn-randall | Muyfret: Is the partition still mounted? |
| 16:23.54 | Muyfret | status not mounted |
| 16:24.26 | petn-randall | Muyfret: Do you want to shrink or enlarge it? |
| 16:24.49 | Muyfret | https://imgur.com/a/G7CGT my setup |
| 16:24.53 | Muyfret | enlarge |
| 16:25.33 | Muyfret | i want to add 2 gigs to sda seven and sda five |
| 16:25.35 | petn-randall | Muyfret: And you're trying to enlarge /dev/sda7? |
| 16:25.44 | Muyfret | yes |
| 16:26.02 | petn-randall | Muyfret: It doesn't work because there's /dev/sda8 ... |
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| 16:27.00 | Muyfret | how do i preserve my home folder and linux install but get the growth i want |
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| 16:32.02 | jhutchins | Muyfret: Backup, repartition, restore. |
| 16:32.24 | jhutchins | Muyfret: You can't grow a partition unless the free space is next to it. |
| 16:32.59 | jhutchins | Muyfret: You can do something like that with LVM, but you can't convert an existing partition to LVM. |
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| 16:33.42 | ee1 | Hi. How to burn windows 7 to usb from debian? |
| 16:33.58 | overbyte | rufus |
| 16:33.59 | abrotman | ee1: is it an ISO? |
| 16:34.15 | overbyte | vmware and windows 7 |
| 16:34.35 | jhutchins | overbyte: You need a specially hacked version of Windows. |
| 16:34.42 | abrotman | no.. |
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| 16:35.17 | jhutchins | ... If you expect it to run from the usb, as opposed to just install. |
| 16:35.41 | abrotman | not what he asked. and I'd hope he'd ask ##windows if they were trying to do that |
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| 16:36.37 | ee1 | abrotman: Yes ISO file |
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| 16:37.25 | ee1 | abrotman: Was a while ago I did this, and google is nothing but a mess. Prefer to keep it minimal hence the reason I ask in here. |
| 16:37.56 | Muyfret | next question. how do i encrypt the linux portion of my dual boot |
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| 16:38.03 | Muyfret | but still have grub boot loader be the boss |
| 16:38.23 | overbyte | luks |
| 16:38.54 | Muyfret | probability of success to do it post-installation overbyte? |
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| 16:39.06 | overbyte | pretty low |
| 16:39.33 | kopper | ee1: Mount the usb, format to fat32 and cp iso to usb? |
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| 16:42.11 | Muyfret | is there an iso i can burn to check that none of my apps, settings, or kernels were replaced |
| 16:42.46 | overbyte | you can use ecryptfs |
| 16:42.57 | overbyte | but it's easy to lose data |
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| 16:47.15 | ee1 | kopper: Thanks, that's why we keep it minimal ^ Burning it right now, just one question. Is it really bootable? |
| 16:47.42 | overbyte | only one way to find out |
| 16:47.46 | kopper | Worked for win10 for me |
| 16:48.02 | kopper | I recall using it for win7 too, though it has been a while |
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| 16:48.13 | ee1 | kopper: Ok :) |
| 16:48.21 | kopper | Remember to "sync" after transfer |
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| 16:49.20 | ee1 | kopper: Right |
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| 16:54.10 | overbyte | Can you compile linux kernel with clang |
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| 16:58.14 | jhutchins | There's no need to format the drive if you're writing an iso to it. The iso contains the iso9660 filesystem, not fat32. |
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| 17:06.35 | kopper | jhutchins right. Now that I think of it, I had to format it to fat32 to make Debian able to mount the usb in a first place. |
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| 17:06.59 | kopper | So if it's already mountable, cp should be sufficient |
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| 17:10.19 | kopper | Or just * |
| 17:10.38 | kopper | cp *iso /dev/sdx it seems |
| 17:11.11 | Iridos | you don't mount it when you write to the raw device |
| 17:11.23 | kopper | Dat |
| 17:11.25 | cheche | I made a mistake and I "dd if=3Gbfile.iso of=/dev/sdc" while /dev/sdc was the only active root partition of a RAID 1. |
| 17:11.47 | Iridos | you are writing everything to the raw device, including a new filesystem, you don't write the iso as a file onto an existing filesystem |
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| 17:12.05 | cheche | I trying to get the right size of RAID and then fix the ext4 file system |
| 17:12.23 | Iridos | and doing that copy is equivalent to re-formatting it |
| 17:12.38 | cheche | I am happy to lose 3GB of 1800GB HardDrive |
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| 17:14.04 | cheche | maybe this chat is too generic for this problem? |
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| 17:17.29 | bbr0ther | #offtopic |
| 17:17.46 | bbr0ther | quite |
| 17:17.54 | bbr0ther | Exit |
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| 17:28.10 | nodejsuser | heya, is npm dropped in stretch? Why? What can I do from this point, install from oldstable? |
| 17:29.40 | annadane | that likely results in frankendebian |
| 17:30.07 | annadane | you can try backporting from sid using https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 17:30.20 | annadane | or build from source |
| 17:30.23 | nodejsuser | oh boy did they drop it because of the security holes? :/ really? |
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| 17:32.26 | Reventlov | Hi. Trying to use uwsgi and a python 3Â virtualenv with django. I get this output from uwsgi: https://ptpb.pw/5R5k.txt |
| 17:32.49 | Reventlov | (debian 9.1) |
| 17:32.57 | Reventlov | Any idea what I could've done wrong? |
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| 17:33.49 | apollo13 | your venv is broken? |
| 17:34.27 | Reventlov | I just created it with python virtualenvwrapper.sh, with mkvirtualenv |
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| 17:51.12 | j00 | hello guys |
| 17:51.17 | j00 | how can I erase a content in file .txt? erase line 1 to line 400 |
| 17:51.29 | nodejsuser | annadane: so to be clear: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/nodejs/nodejs_4.8.2~dfsg-1.debian.tar.xz is the right one, right? then unpack, then I don't see an install method :s |
| 17:51.31 | j00 | in commando line |
| 17:51.38 | j00 | command |
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| 17:54.10 | nodejsuser | j00: try "sed -e '1,400d' < file.txt" |
| 17:54.44 | nodejsuser | do it with a copy first though, my sed is a bit off at times |
| 17:54.54 | j00 | ok |
| 17:54.59 | nodejsuser | :P |
| 17:55.09 | nodejsuser | tell me if it worked |
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| 17:56.42 | j00 | nodejsuser |
| 17:56.47 | nodejsuser | yes |
| 17:56.54 | j00 | and u know how can i do to know where is the line with the word "pipe" |
| 17:56.57 | j00 | in file |
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| 17:57.38 | annadane | nodejsuser, are you trying to backport it? |
| 17:57.53 | nodejsuser | j00 do you want to remove the whole line with the word "pipe" in it or do you want to know which lines contain the word "pipe" ? |
| 17:58.29 | nodejsuser | annadane: I'm trying to build from source as it seemed logical since it was under the stretch section :s |
| 17:58.43 | nodejsuser | annadane: @ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/nodejs |
| 17:58.56 | annadane | you were asking about npm |
| 17:59.09 | nodejsuser | right oh man I confused myself haha |
| 17:59.11 | annadane | if you want nodejs it's already in stretch so just install it |
| 17:59.14 | nodejsuser | sorry |
| 18:00.02 | j00 | nodejsuser i want know which lines contain the word "pipe" |
| 18:00.08 | j00 | the number |
| 18:00.14 | nodejsuser | yeah I have nodejs but I need to access my keyboard leds and need npm to install some old stuff |
| 18:00.14 | j00 | line 1 or line 2 |
| 18:00.16 | j00 | or line 3 |
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| 18:00.56 | nodejsuser | backporting will clutter my fresh debian install from today already v.v |
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| 18:01.05 | annadane | ah |
| 18:01.28 | nodejsuser | I'm trying to keep it clean this time :D |
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| 18:01.52 | nodejsuser | I suppose there's no other way to have something do what npm does? |
| 18:02.10 | j00 | nodejsuser |
| 18:02.18 | j00 | $ sed -e '1,100000d < list2 |
| 18:02.18 | j00 | > |
| 18:02.35 | j00 | oh |
| 18:02.44 | j00 | is '1,100000d' |
| 18:02.47 | j00 | haha |
| 18:02.50 | j00 | wait |
| 18:03.08 | annadane | !enter |
| 18:03.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:04.00 | ee1 | kopper: Are you here? Once I did $ cp W7.iso /dev/sdb1 nothing happens. It's stuck at this for about 40 min I believe. Am I suppose to write "sync" when it's a blank row? |
| 18:04.02 | nodejsuser | j00: for finding which lines contain a word use grep: grep -n "pipe" file.txt |
| 18:04.14 | annadane | nodejsuser, unfortunately i don't know much about building from source, someone else probably does |
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| 18:14.17 | j00 | nodejsuser |
| 18:14.21 | j00 | sed -e '1,100000d' < list2 |
| 18:14.37 | j00 | just print 1 to 100000 |
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| 18:15.13 | j00 | but did not delete in the file |
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| 18:22.27 | nodejsuser | j00: please avoid hitting enter too much in IRC, you can use various ascii symbols here to construct a proper question. That's odd, are you sure it doesn't print the result of the file after deleting the amount of lines specified? |
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| 18:29.04 | j00 | nodejsuser oh yeah, print 1 to 100000 :( |
| 18:29.36 | j00 | oh no |
| 18:29.38 | j00 | wait |
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| 18:31.22 | j00 | nodejsuser for a test |
| 18:31.40 | j00 | to save a new file is >> newfile ? |
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| 18:31.57 | j00 | can i do sed -e '1,100000d' < list2 >> newfile ? |
| 18:32.07 | j00 | or is wrong |
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| 18:32.34 | j00 | sorry (enter) |
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| 18:33.22 | nodejsuser | j00: that will create a copy of list2 |
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| 18:33.35 | nodejsuser | after applying the removal of the lines, of course |
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| 18:37.14 | j00 | nodejsuser with wc -l 4633243 list2, 4633243 newlist,resulted the same ;( |
| 18:37.39 | j00 | after sed -e '1,100000d' < list2 >> newfile |
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| 18:42.50 | nodejsuser | j00: is this not what you want? https://pastebin.com/5E3jnGW4 |
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| 18:45.59 | j00 | nodejsuser oh my god u are amazing |
| 18:46.27 | j00 | thanks thanks :D |
| 18:46.47 | nodejsuser | haha far from ;P I don't even get paid, I'm a NEEt |
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| 18:51.57 | ntd | Anyone here have a Logitech Unifying dongle and care to help me by reading out its firmware? should only take a minute or so |
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| 19:14.44 | Alboroisie | hello, I have just bought a debitan server x64 and I would like to install on it apache or some modules to make it editable through ftp |
| 19:14.47 | Alboroisie | so like a webpage |
| 19:14.53 | Alboroisie | how can i do that? it's the first time |
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| 19:17.18 | Phrk_ | hi i install kexec-tools but when i reboot, it reboot with bios |
| 19:17.39 | Phrk_ | maybe it doesn't work with systemd, so how i do with stretch ? |
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| 19:20.07 | Alboroisie | I did install apache2 on the server. how can I access to the ftp? |
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| 19:24.31 | imMute | Phrk_: there's an incantation you have to do to "prime" the reboot to use kexec. |
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| 19:24.59 | imMute | Phrk_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kexec is probably a good reference. |
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| 19:29.44 | nodejsuser | Alboroisie: if you're going to use ftp consider sftp, also, why not simply ssh? |
| 19:29.53 | Phrk_ | imMute, so why dpkg-reconf say it's automatic ?? |
| 19:31.36 | imMute | Phrk_: not sure. I tried kexec once but quickly gave up on it because my hardware vendor's drivers couldn't handle not going back through the BIOS. |
| 19:32.26 | Phrk_ | well i use hp server and bios is like 5 fucking min |
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| 19:33.14 | Phrk_ | do you say kexec can crash the server ? |
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| 19:34.34 | imMute | In my case, the drivers for the embedded GPU crashed on startup. (but weirdly, it was the 2nd time using kexec, not the first) |
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| 19:35.29 | Alboroisie | nodejsuser: instead of apache ? |
| 19:35.41 | Phrk_ | imMute, so you were stuck at boot ? |
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| 19:36.15 | imMute | Phrk_: I don't remember how hard the crash was, but it was enough for me to abandon the idea of using kexec on that HW. |
| 19:36.42 | Phrk_ | imMute, do you know another solution ? |
| 19:37.00 | imMute | to slow reboot? not rebooting. :( |
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| 19:37.51 | Phrk_ | what about kernel update ? |
| 19:38.34 | imMute | would need a reboot. |
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| 19:39.16 | apollo13 | not neccessarily |
| 19:39.28 | apollo13 | one could ksplice it |
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| 19:39.33 | apollo13 | but that also doesn't work for everything |
| 19:40.18 | Phrk_ | lol |
| 19:40.25 | Phrk_ | apollo13 crash |
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| 19:41.07 | apollo13 | Phrk_: well, from the looks of it I am in better shape than your servers ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 19:41.48 | Phrk_ | haha |
| 19:42.22 | Phrk_ | what's the name of the mainline live patching |
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| 19:43.59 | apollo13 | kgraft, kpatch and KernelCare |
| 19:44.09 | apollo13 | not sure which is in mainline, probably kpatch since it is from redhat |
| 19:44.43 | apollo13 | actually no, the mainline kernel has something else again :D |
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| 19:45.33 | Phrk_ | livepatch |
| 19:45.43 | Phrk_ | its from red hat and suse |
| 19:46.01 | apollo13 | livepatch is canonical |
| 19:46.20 | apollo13 | ah they also call it that in mainline |
| 19:46.30 | apollo13 | anyways, /me goes back to fixing bugs |
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| 19:48.35 | n-iCe | is there like a minimal Debian version? |
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| 19:49.30 | annadane | n-iCe, essentially the best minimal version is uncheck everything except standard system utilities in the installer |
| 19:49.55 | Phrk_ | if you cut internet from netinst its only system tools |
| 19:49.55 | annadane | and i guess if you're good enough you can uncheck that too but your life is probably much easier if you leave those in |
| 19:50.00 | n-iCe | annadane: like a netinstall? |
| 19:50.04 | annadane | yeah, netinstall |
| 19:50.11 | n-iCe | I am using it, with lxde |
| 19:50.16 | n-iCe | Just does not feel Debian that smooth |
| 19:50.20 | n-iCe | I'm in a old hardware thought |
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| 19:50.22 | annadane | well, lxde is certainly pretty minimal |
| 19:50.23 | n-iCe | though |
| 19:50.33 | annadane | n-iCe, you can try a window manager |
| 19:50.38 | annadane | something like openbox |
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| 19:52.26 | shmigle | So I have an issue with booting. I accidentally deleted a partition that definitely had to do with booting (I believe it contained grub). When booting, I go directly to grub rescue and it says error: partition not found. So I decided to boot from a grub repair live CD and it detects my OS and I can log into it (currently using it now). The problem is is that Ive tried re-installing grub to the EFI partition to point to the right parti |
| 19:52.28 | shmigle | tions but no luck. Any ideas on how to fix? |
| 19:52.44 | n4dir | if you install lxde you got openbox, so nothing hinders you to give it a try without any further action |
| 19:53.33 | shmigle | I can post pic of partitions if need be |
| 19:53.41 | n-iCe | annadane: http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:54.02 | annadane | yes? |
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| 20:02.33 | n-iCe | annadane: sorry, wanted to show your my hardware specs |
| 20:02.40 | n-iCe | maybe Debian is not the one for this old hardware |
| 20:02.55 | annadane | n-iCe, it should be |
| 20:02.59 | annadane | debian aims to be universal |
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| 20:08.09 | digdilem | and yet it's only used on planet earth |
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| 20:08.39 | annadane | shush |
| 20:08.44 | annadane | :D |
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| 20:09.03 | annadane | anyway, i'd try using a window manager |
| 20:09.12 | annadane | unless your hardware is on the brink of death it should work fine |
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| 20:11.35 | annadane | n-iCe, it's surprising that it's sluggish even on lxde though, may be a case of missing firmware or some other factor |
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| 20:15.06 | n4dir | i think that debian should work fine with old-hardware (if you mean low-specs with that). Perhaps the graphical chip is the problem. |
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| 20:16.19 | n4dir | i sure wouldn't assume that a window-manager uses much less ressources than lxde. |
| 20:16.40 | n4dir | worth a try for sure. |
| 20:17.25 | annadane | right, it may be a hardware problem, not necessarily old hardware, n-iCe |
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| 20:22.03 | n-iCe | annadane: n4dir how can I know |
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| 20:23.56 | n4dir | lspci | grep -i VGA ? (question mark, not sure) |
| 20:24.46 | n-iCe | how can I know if I have a problem I mean, with the hardware |
| 20:24.55 | n-iCe | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 20:25.36 | n4dir | there is the package "intel-microcode" or similar. I couldn't figure out what it is supposed to do, nor have i seen any enhancement by installing it ... |
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| 20:25.48 | abrotman | 5~that' snot for that video card |
| 20:26.05 | n4dir | thanks. |
| 20:26.07 | n-iCe | abrotman: what? |
| 20:26.16 | n-iCe | oh,'that's not' |
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| 20:44.55 | ee | How do I install windows on a USB stick with debian? I tried command CP, didn't work it does not boot. Any easy app I can use? |
| 20:45.23 | apollo13 | Afaik you need specialized tools for that that only run on windows |
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| 20:48.56 | ee | "Specialized tools" sounds like something Debian does not do. Debian focuses on your free right to choose what you want to do, so why would they make something "specialized" for that kind of tool? |
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| 20:50.42 | apollo13 | ee: ask microsoft why you need a special program to install it on an usb stick, why would we know? |
| 20:50.43 | ee | Dumbest shit I've ever heard that Debian does not allow you to create a bootable USB stick with windows. Stick to facts or atleast logical sense thanks. |
| 20:51.17 | apollo13 | wait, do you want to install windows on the usb stick or just make a usb disk with the windows installer |
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| 20:52.23 | ee | USB stick with bootable windows installation on it |
| 20:52.37 | apollo13 | yeah, I do not know of anything in debian that would allow for that |
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| 20:52.38 | ShalokShalom | ee: few apps work with this. |
| 20:52.51 | ShalokShalom | I think no one on Linux. |
| 20:52.57 | ShalokShalom | Rufus on Windows does. |
| 20:53.09 | n4dir | gotta say that i never came across debian stating it woult "focus on your free right to choose what you want to do" |
| 20:53.42 | ee | n4dir: If you read between the lines you should be able figure out what is right. |
| 20:53.56 | ee | ShalokShalom: I will overlook you |
| 20:54.26 | apollo13 | *shrug* idiots on this world are getting more and more :/ |
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| 20:55.06 | ShalokShalom | ? |
| 20:55.16 | apollo13 | let alone the logic behind the assumption why someone would write such a tool for debian |
| 20:56.40 | ee | apollo13: Sometimes one needs to go back in order to understand what he left behind. Besides, I want to play some games that I can't with Debian. Problem? |
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| 20:57.01 | ShalokShalom | Google helps: http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/make-bootable-windows-10-usb-install.html |
| 20:57.10 | ShalokShalom | https://www.google.com/search?gws_rd=cr&q=create+windows+stick+linux |
| 20:57.23 | apollo13 | ShalokShalom: he doesn't want a windows installer but rather a "live cd" |
| 20:58.02 | apollo13 | ee: I do not care to be honest. If you want a windows install it normally on a partition or use windows to go which is a win 10 enterprise feature |
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| 20:58.15 | apollo13 | but do not expect anyone on linux to care about that stuff |
| 20:58.40 | ShalokShalom | apollo13: this is that |
| 20:58.51 | ShalokShalom | bootable windows 10 install |
| 20:59.15 | ee | apollo13: So tell me do you suffer by a severe braindamage or just plain mad? hmm? |
| 20:59.18 | apollo13 | ShalokShalom: I do not think so, from the docs: "WoeUSB is a simple tool that enable you to create your own usb stick windows installer from an iso image or a real DVD." |
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| 21:00.26 | apollo13 | ee: right, just resort to insulting -- really mature I have to say⦠|
| 21:00.28 | ShalokShalom | What are you reading? |
| 21:00.44 | apollo13 | ShalokShalom: the woeusb project page linked from your link (http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/make-bootable-windows-10-usb-install.html) |
| 21:01.02 | ShalokShalom | I mean the article itself. |
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| 21:01.26 | ee | "but do not expect anyone on linux to care about that stuff" quite a mature answer don't you think? Mine was nothing but curiosity since you seem to lack one or two cells inside your mind |
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| 21:03.18 | apollo13 | ShalokShalom: yeah, the article to me also seems to indicate that this just creates an installer disk and not a runable windows on usb |
| 21:03.27 | ShalokShalom | By some billion cells in our brain, that makes less difference :) |
| 21:04.02 | ee | apollo13: Well hello there Mr manipulation, that is not what I said? |
| 21:04.27 | ee | apollo13: Either you like to twist words or you're just to ignorant to read |
| 21:04.39 | apollo13 | ee: you said "<ee> USB stick with bootable windows installation on it" |
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| 21:04.42 | n4dir | as refreshing as it is: |
| 21:04.47 | n4dir | !debian-offtopic |
| 21:05.08 | n4dir | !offtopic |
| 21:05.08 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:05.59 | ee | apollo13: bootable installation on it was in order to get you to understand that using "cp" command does not make it bootable |
| 21:06.10 | ee | But I guess you didn't read that since you're ignorant. |
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| 21:07.25 | apollo13 | installer != installation, but well, as n4dir said this is offtopic -- so lets leave it at that |
| 21:08.56 | ee | apollo13: Quite easy to figure out how ignorant you are, you don't read and you're not really in here to help. Just trying to boost your ego in some form of weird way that I can't even express in words. Why don't you rather shut the fuck up when you don't know what you're really talking about, and there would be no offtopic? |
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| 21:13.06 | cheche | how can I add a new printer within the mate desktop. I am unable to find it |
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| 21:38.43 | dhaller | I have a Residence table and an Upgrade table. In the Residence Table, each entry has an address. In the Upgrade table, each entry has a primary key, residence id, type of upgrade, and a cost. Currently, I have the Upgrade table linked to the Residence table by having a field in the Upgrade table called âResidence ID,â which is a foreign key tied to the primary key of the Residence table. I was reading about one-to-many and many-to-many relationships |
| 21:38.44 | dhaller | , and it seems to me that this might be a many-to-many relationship: there are different types of upgrades, and different residences. In that case, I might have a Residence table, a junction table, and an Upgrade table that has all the types of upgrades. But does my current setup work? |
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| 21:39.41 | dhaller | oh fudge |
| 21:39.46 | dhaller | i thought this was sql |
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| 21:59.01 | Aihkix | Hi everybody, i use a debian jessie (come from wheezy) and for start an apache server v2 i need running with sudo command prefix in my terminal.. so i think (and if you can confirm to me) the sudo command must be not used for running a binary in computer or server... |
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| 22:00.23 | Arahael | jessie is debian 8, isnt it? |
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| 22:00.30 | Aihkix | yes 8 |
| 22:00.55 | Arahael | Aihkix: sudo isnt a prefix |
| 22:01.23 | Arahael | Aihkix: it is a command that lets you run a command as another user. |
| 22:01.30 | Aihkix | sorry for my english isnt my language |
| 22:01.39 | Aihkix | yes i know |
| 22:02.03 | Arahael | Aihkix: thats fine, its just i see many people just try sudo to see if it kagically fixes their problem, and it makes things worse |
| 22:02.12 | Arahael | *magically |
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| 22:02.27 | Aihkix | but when using this command its not recommended or other big propriety for using apache server or same binary |
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| 22:02.39 | Aihkix | Arahael :) |
| 22:03.00 | Aihkix | ^ |
| 22:03.02 | Aihkix | ^^ |
| 22:03.17 | Arahael | Aihkix: so, regarding this binary you are talking about, what user do you need to run it as? |
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| 22:03.37 | Aihkix | the same of default, so www-data i think |
| 22:03.56 | Aihkix | :$ |
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| 22:04.22 | Arahael | Aihkix: sudo defaults to root. |
| 22:05.02 | Aihkix | yes it is the problem when using (for shellcode according right no ? for thinked thing already ^^) |
| 22:05.48 | Aihkix | Arahael, else, |
| 22:05.59 | Aihkix | no starting wiçthout sudo so ! |
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| 22:06.05 | Aihkix | *without |
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| 22:07.22 | bigMouthCommie | i followed the directions on pi-hole.net, but when i pointed my router to my debian stack for dns, it broke everything. how do i set up blocking without breaking my network? |
| 22:07.22 | Aihkix | :'( |
| 22:07.32 | Arahael | Aihkix: so it needs to run as www-data? |
| 22:08.03 | Aihkix | yes if you can helping me :? |
| 22:08.08 | Arahael | Aihkix: sudo -i -u www-data the_binary |
| 22:08.17 | Aihkix | -i ? |
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| 22:08.28 | Arahael | Aihkix: see man sudo |
| 22:08.37 | Aihkix | okey of course :) |
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| 22:08.48 | Aihkix | *sry |
| 22:08.56 | Arahael | Aihkix: it uses the user's login environment if it exists. |
| 22:09.19 | Aihkix | login environment it is pam ? |
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| 22:09.55 | Aihkix | *please :) |
| 22:09.59 | Arahael | Aihkix: no, things like your home dir, environment, etc |
| 22:10.24 | Arahael | Aihkix: i am irc'ing from a phone, not quick to type on! |
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| 22:11.40 | Arahael | Aihkix: as a tip, if you see a person doing "sudo su", then you know that person does not know what he is doing |
| 22:11.56 | Aihkix | if i undersanted i can replace with the option -i of sudo command on the binary /usr/sbin/apache2 (because it is used on my os) th |
| 22:12.05 | Aihkix | so i will try you solution now, |
| 22:12.31 | Aihkix | i report to you after so the good solution or not |
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| 22:13.35 | Arahael | Aihkix: oh? the binary is apache? |
| 22:13.50 | Arahael | Aihkix: why dont you use the system startip script for that? |
| 22:13.54 | Aihkix | gam3r@r0bothn1ck:~$ sudo -i -u www-data /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 22:13.54 | Aihkix | This account is currently not available. |
| 22:13.54 | Aihkix | gam3r@r0bothn1ck:~$ sudo mount -o remount,rw /usr |
| 22:13.54 | Aihkix | gam3r@r0bothn1ck:~$ sudo -i -u www-data /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 22:13.54 | Aihkix | This account is currently not available. |
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| 22:14.11 | Aihkix | oups sorry |
| 22:14.13 | Aihkix | :$ |
| 22:14.29 | Arahael | in future use a pastebin |
| 22:14.30 | Aihkix | where it is stopped this please ? |
| 22:14.36 | Aihkix | yes :$ |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | Aihkix: add -s /bin/bash |
| 22:15.00 | abrotman | try it anyway |
| 22:15.24 | Aihkix | :) |
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| 22:17.29 | Aihkix | http://paste.debian.net/986543/ |
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| 22:18.42 | Aihkix | with -s http://paste.debian.net/986545/ |
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| 22:21.51 | Aihkix | :'( |
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| 22:24.57 | Arahael | Aihkix: i wonder why you arent using the system scripts instead: service httpd start (whatever it is called) |
| 22:25.14 | Aihkix | abrotman, Arahael ?? have you see the pastebin please ? |
| 22:25.20 | Arahael | hasnt run debian in a while) |
| 22:25.57 | Arahael | Aihkix: i cant read french, however that last command seemed to work but it says it cant run it as that user? |
| 22:27.15 | tibbler | sudo command |
| 22:27.21 | Arahael | on a totally unrelated topic - is selinux the default in debian stretch? if so, whats the best way to learn anout it? |
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| 22:27.44 | Aihkix | fichier binaire impossible à lancer > its in english > the binary file cant be launched |
| 22:28.46 | Arahael | Aihkix: lets step back. why are you manually running the apache binary? |
| 22:29.16 | tibbler | you can disable selinux while you are learning its nuance |
| 22:29.25 | Aihkix | because i have want restart the server apache after modification of config file of this |
| 22:29.40 | Arahael | Aihkix: just reload it then |
| 22:29.40 | Aihkix | but its not working without sudo |
| 22:30.00 | Aihkix | no some config must be restart with sudo or my debian is failed |
| 22:30.07 | tibbler | debian went from optististic blocking to pessimistic with selinux |
| 22:30.12 | Arahael | Aihkix: reload is not restart. |
| 22:30.16 | Aihkix | not sudo but restart |
| 22:30.19 | tibbler | try these then |
| 22:30.23 | tibbler | su - |
| 22:30.30 | Arahael | tibbler: thats cool, i would like to become familiar with it |
| 22:30.40 | tibbler | su root |
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| 22:30.58 | tibbler | or add the userto a sudoer and try again |
| 22:31.18 | Arahael | tibbler: why "su root" instead if "su -"? |
| 22:31.51 | Aihkix | in a security user manual , if you can (?) explain to me the recommandation with sudo launching it is on not good, no ? |
| 22:32.04 | tibbler | try eitheror. depends on how your environment was set up |
| 22:32.52 | Arahael | Aihkix: i suggest "sudo service apache2 restart", i was hoping to help you gain an understanding of what is happening, but this is taking too long for me irc'ing from a phone |
| 22:33.13 | tibbler | yes. better to learn groups. assign permissions to groups and then assign user to group |
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| 22:34.02 | Arahael | Aihkix: the problem with sudo (and su, actually), is that most people use them as a magical tool, not realising that they are reducing security and often making a mess of the system permissions. |
| 22:34.09 | tibbler | its all about restricting userspace to compartmentalise processes and daemons for security |
| 22:34.44 | Aihkix | http://paste.debian.net/986547/ |
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| 22:35.26 | Arahael | Aihkix: yes, the service scripts are privilaged |
| 22:35.37 | Aihkix | so in debian it is used with root or with all linux please ?? |
| 22:35.51 | tibbler | while you are learning one cannot expect you to know everything godlike. start with learning sudoer first |
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| 22:36.19 | Arahael | Aihkix: as a detail, apache tends to require root to bind to port 80, then drops permissions to www-data (by default) |
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| 22:36.42 | Aihkix | abrotman ? |
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| 22:38.15 | dn | I want to echo all variables passed to a bash script, both the variable name and the value. So far I've only been able to get some of the expected values by using $@. Suggestions? |
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| 22:38.31 | Aihkix | so if i try to remember in my memory, for binding in port 80, in a programming language that of C++ is not required |
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| 22:39.25 | Aihkix | binary maked with* programming language |
| 22:39.42 | Aihkix | it is ? |
| 22:39.46 | preaction | Aihkix: no, you don't need C++ to listen on a port |
| 22:39.55 | abrotman | Aihkix: ? |
| 22:40.02 | Arahael | Aihkix: the limitationnis an operating system detail, not language. ports below 1024 are privilaged |
| 22:40.12 | Aihkix | no for try response to me for bind or open a socket in linux.. |
| 22:40.12 | preaction | Aihkix: you can use programs like netcat (nc) or socat to do it in a shell script if you want |
| 22:40.15 | Arahael | *limitation is |
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| 22:55.15 | Aihkix | Aihkix> no for try response to me for bind or open a socket in linux.. >> if is necessary to use sudo ^^ |
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| 22:57.27 | preaction | Aihkix: if you are binding to a socket number less than 1024, you need privileges (possibly root), yes |
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| 22:57.46 | tibbler | httpd socket defined in httpd.conf |
| 22:57.52 | Aihkix | on linux ? |
| 22:57.59 | Aihkix | yes 80 |
| 22:58.02 | Aihkix | ^^ |
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| 23:00.06 | Aihkix | http://paste.debian.net/986551/ |
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| 23:01.00 | Aihkix | the result of ps aux | grep apache2 ^^ (the first using root and not www-data, why please ???) |
| 23:01.14 | preaction | yes. the root process opens the port, the www-data ones process the request. this is apache's "pre-fork" model |
| 23:01.59 | Aihkix | it is on downloading source of compilation of other linux ? |
| 23:02.04 | preaction | what? |
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| 23:02.41 | Aihkix | if i use the source code, its already with "pre-fork" ?? |
| 23:02.55 | Aihkix | (source code for compiling and executing...) |
| 23:02.56 | preaction | apache comes with the mpm_prefork, yes |
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| 23:05.16 | Aihkix | therefore in fact the command sudo must be used because apache2 on debian use by default the "pre-fork" ??? ^^ |
| 23:06.04 | preaction | no |
| 23:06.36 | preaction | sudo must be used to bind to port 80. apache needs to bind to port 80 always. that's the port that web browsers expect |
| 23:06.56 | preaction | you could use another port, but then the web browser would need to be told which port to use for your website |
| 23:09.11 | Aihkix | so good bye... |
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| 23:26.20 | Arahael | So, I plan on installing Debian Stretch soon. Where should I learn about selinux? I know almost nothing about selinux, but thinkit sounds like a great idea. |
| 23:28.09 | annadane | Arahael, https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
| 23:28.55 | annadane | Arahael, though if you don't know too much about it... it can be fairly advanced from what i hear, but decide for yourself, i don't have experience with it directly |
| 23:28.56 | Arahael | annadane: So, only generic instructions, then, which suggests that selinux is not enabled by default? |
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| 23:29.04 | annadane | Arahael, it is not. |
| 23:29.19 | Arahael | annadane: Interesting - good to know. Thanks. |
| 23:29.43 | annadane | i hear from some people it's fairly advanced, others that it's relatively easy, and don't know who to believe |
| 23:30.18 | Arahael | annadane: I'm sure that it breaks some setups, and that to fix it you have to know it. That qualifies as "difficult" for most people. |
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| 23:31.45 | Arahael | annadane: Can't be harder than windows and mac crap. :) |
| 23:32.22 | annadane | no, certainly not |
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| 23:40.40 | Aihkix | sorry for my last lefting room if i have appeared unpleasant but this command sudo is incomprehensible to me in the sense that I would simply like to do without it, thank you !! Bye .. |
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