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| 00:01.17 | kira0204 | want some help |
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| 00:01.36 | bazhang | with what |
| 00:01.40 | kira0204 | i am working on an operating system called Pintos |
| 00:02.02 | bazhang | is that related to debian |
| 00:02.13 | kira0204 | using emulator qemu on kali |
| 00:02.28 | Arahael | Kali isn't debian, though, kis it? |
| 00:02.30 | Arahael | *is it? |
| 00:02.31 | kira0204 | i dont think so, can you point me towards the right channel? |
| 00:02.47 | bazhang | #kali-linux |
| 00:02.54 | kira0204 | thanks |
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| 00:02.59 | bazhang | np |
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| 00:12.25 | dhaller | can I ask a MS access question here |
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| 00:36.48 | Arahael | What's teh best way to writ ethe installation ISO to usb stick on Mac OS? |
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| 00:38.21 | n-iCe | Arahael: cat |
| 00:38.22 | n-iCe | dd |
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| 00:39.15 | somiaj | cp is just fine and is what the install guide suggests. |
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| 00:40.01 | n-iCe | is not cat? |
| 00:40.51 | ASpacy | uh |
| 00:40.53 | ASpacy | dd? |
| 00:41.05 | ASpacy | probably that's what should be used |
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| 00:42.20 | somiaj | ASpacy: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the device (this will destory data ont he device) |
| 00:42.31 | Arahael | somiaj: Sure, but it won't be /dev/sdX on the mac. |
| 00:42.43 | somiaj | ahh on a mac, yea, cp it to whatever mac calls it |
| 00:42.44 | ASpacy | somiaj: uh, no. |
| 00:42.48 | ASpacy | ah |
| 00:42.50 | ASpacy | on mac |
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| 00:42.58 | ASpacy | well, not sure then |
| 00:43.27 | Arahael | I think /dev/disk2, but I don't know if that's the block device itself, or a partition thing. |
| 00:43.37 | somiaj | dd also works, in some cases it may be faster if you set the block size to match the hardware, cp has sane enoguh defaults in most cases though. |
| 00:43.53 | Arahael | somiaj: In general, cp is better unless you need to set the block size. |
| 00:44.15 | somiaj | Arahael: yup, that was why I menteiond cp over cat or dd |
| 00:44.49 | Arahael | Yeah, I can't copy it over to that device. |
| 00:44.54 | Arahael | "Operation not permitted". |
| 00:45.04 | somiaj | Arahael: on mac you can just use cp, I would have to look up what it called the usb device. |
| 00:45.09 | somiaj | Arahael: did you do it as root, but one second. |
| 00:45.21 | Arahael | somiaj: I assume that `diskutil list` is sufficient. |
| 00:45.23 | Arahael | somiaj: I did. |
| 00:47.29 | tesko | if i wanted to network with a windows 7 box to try and fix the win7 (parents box) how would go about that? i lost a lot of knowledge of windows when i ran 10 for 3 weeks and got locked out of my box |
| 00:47.51 | somiaj | Arahael: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac (for some reason I thought mac cp would work, but that is what the FAQ says)( |
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| 00:49.15 | somiaj | Arahael: http://blog.boyeau.com/cheat-sheet-how-to-create-a-bootable-usb-key-on-mac-os-x-for-ubuntu-debian/ -- that may also help, seems you may have to convert to an img format. |
| 00:50.28 | somiaj | I found another page that also suggests you need to convert the format. I'm unsure ont he details here, hopefully it doesn't damage the debian hybrid image. |
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| 00:54.51 | pawalls | Anyone working on packaging for opencontainer hooks from Project Atomic? |
| 00:55.44 | Arahael | somiaj: I don't think a conversion is strictly required. |
| 00:56.00 | Arahael | somiaj: Should be able to copy byte by byte, somehow. |
| 00:56.22 | Arahael | somiaj: Unetbootin tends to be recommende,d but that modifeis the image as well. |
| 00:56.25 | Arahael | *~modifies |
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| 00:57.40 | somiaj | pawalls: https://wiki.debian.org/RFP -- Search for RFP bugs, if not you can fill one out if you want. |
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| 01:08.23 | Arahael | somiaj: WOrked it out. /dev/rdisk2 is the "raw disk", and I had incorectly removed the disk instead of "unmounting" it. |
| 01:08.37 | Arahael | somiaj: Seems I *must* eject it using disk utility and not the finder. |
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| 01:15.23 | Muyfret | ok. ok. ok . ok OK@!!K!O!K |
| 01:15.33 | Muyfret | someone tell me how to make my grub accept copy paste |
| 01:15.40 | Muyfret | because it not like my password ENTRY |
| 01:15.43 | Muyfret | and i mad. |
| 01:17.04 | somiaj | Copy/Paste? Are you trying to paste from say a host into a vm for grub? What makes you think grub knows how to accept a paste? |
| 01:17.16 | Muyfret | host into vm |
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| 01:17.52 | Muyfret | it's how i did the password gen for grub. by pasting . this is my only chance |
| 01:17.56 | somiaj | and what are you doing to paste? I don't think grub is setup to accept a paste |
| 01:18.12 | Muyfret | well ctrl-v don't work |
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| 01:19.25 | Epakai | which virtual machine are you using? |
| 01:19.31 | Muyfret | virtualbox |
| 01:19.41 | somiaj | yea, I don't think at the grub state, the guest is set up to accept a 'paste'. I'm unsure what sort of clients in that stage will enter in the string for you, but the guest will need to see it as an input over a poaste I belive. |
| 01:20.15 | Muyfret | what's strange is only one time it actually said i failed. the others i just get kicked back to main menu |
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| 01:21.16 | somiaj | but I'm unsure what the virtualbox client maybe doing when pasting to the guest. |
| 01:21.56 | Muyfret | do you know an x window trick to positively send a string to a window |
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| 01:23.17 | Epakai | Muyfret: you can read this thread on why it's not straightforward: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80315 I would try to get something that echoes your text back and test each character in the password to see if it is matching what you want correctly |
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| 01:25.57 | Epakai | maybe interrupt grub's boot and play around on it's boot command line |
| 01:26.45 | Muyfret | the grub bootloader is pass protected. |
| 01:26.51 | Muyfret | the pass is encrypted |
| 01:27.14 | Muyfret | both c, and e ask for the superuser info |
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| 01:29.31 | Muyfret | ok can i just replace grub from a live cd? |
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| 01:30.15 | somiaj | is the guest using efi or mbr boot. |
| 01:31.07 | somiaj | and I am unsure if replacing grub will help deal with the issue if you want it pass protected/encrypted. |
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| 01:31.20 | Muyfret | no efi |
| 01:31.34 | Muyfret | i can just redo the pass protection |
| 01:32.07 | Muyfret | somehow, i have forgotten a character or two, and am typing it differently . |
| 01:32.16 | Muyfret | even though i know i've gotten i before using same source |
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| 01:33.00 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 01:34.30 | Muyfret | i am now very very angry again. |
| 01:34.37 | Muyfret | so i guess i now will just replace grub right? |
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| 01:38.47 | Devastator | why not a debian livecd? |
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| 01:42.56 | Muyfret | i keep gettting directed to netinst |
| 01:44.04 | Muyfret | ok found it |
| 01:45.05 | Muyfret | how easy will this be? |
| 01:45.17 | Muyfret | can i literally just run update-grub |
| 01:47.21 | Epakai | !tell Muyfret about fixmbr |
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| 02:04.03 | Muyfret | what do you use to view partitions if not gparted |
| 02:04.10 | Muyfret | i can't find gparted in the package manager of livecd |
| 02:05.08 | Muyfret | blkid also isn't working |
| 02:05.36 | Muyfret | weird. but there is a libblkid1 installed |
| 02:06.10 | dvs | fdisk -l ? |
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| 02:07.07 | dvs | debian? |
| 02:07.37 | Muyfret | authentication failure |
| 02:08.25 | Muyfret | toor doesn't work either |
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| 02:08.53 | Muyfret | live isn't it.. |
| 02:11.11 | Muyfret | fdisk is installed. but command not found? |
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| 02:58.41 | karstensrage | how do you update a package as a maintainer of the package |
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| 02:59.42 | somiaj | karstensrage: Did you get a sponser for the first time you uploaded the package? |
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| 03:00.08 | karstensrage | somiaj, yes |
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| 03:01.42 | somiaj | karstensrage: usually you can just contact your sponsor again with the changes once you have them completed and they will look over the package and if it meets policy/standards upload it |
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| 03:37.29 | Edu4rdSHL | !check |
| 03:37.29 | dpkg | checks edu4rdshl's box for security holes...found M$ IIS |
| 03:37.48 | Edu4rdSHL | Hello, how can i check a pci number? |
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| 03:38.15 | Edu4rdSHL | Example: 10ec:2822 |
| 03:40.13 | dvs | ,pciid 10ec:2822 |
| 03:40.14 | judd | [10ec:2822] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:2822 |
| 03:40.42 | Edu4rdSHL | Thx |
| 03:40.59 | Edu4rdSHL | ,pciid 10ec:b822 |
| 03:41.01 | judd | [10ec:b822] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:b822 |
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| 03:43.50 | somiaj | Edu4rdSHL: you can /msg judd pciid <>, you can also look up pciid databases on google that may have more info than the bot. |
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| 05:28.22 | DimeCadmium | does anyone know of an alternative for lspci in the Stretch live image? my NIC isn't working and unfortunately I can't find what NIC I *have* without that. |
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| 06:29.25 | Arahael | Going through my dmesg, I noticed it was renamed to an obscure name: enp2s0f5. Why? |
| 06:29.59 | DimeCadmium | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
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| 06:30.31 | Arahael | Nice, that's cool. |
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| 06:40.36 | Arahael | How can I add a CD image as an apt source? |
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| 06:44.25 | tvm | Arahael: if i recall right, using: apt-cdrom add |
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| 06:45.23 | Arahael | tvm: Does it still (uselessly) prompt you to "insert" the CD image? |
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| 06:47.31 | tvm | i don't remember really |
| 06:47.49 | Arahael | I guess I'll find out. |
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| 07:43.58 | hanibana | Hi, I am using nmap 6.47 in Debian. Port 221 is open on the target IP and I can telnet it. When nmap is run with IP as the parameter and no option, it does not find this port. But, if I specify a port range, for example, -p1-1024 it tells that 221 is open. Why in its default behaviour it does not find it, even though 221 is under 1024 and some other ports like 9090 are found at the same run? |
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| 07:52.41 | andrew2221 | Hi everyone. Does anybody else experience high CPU usage when copying files in lan on Stretch? |
| 07:52.59 | andrew2221 | Is this normal? |
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| 07:54.07 | AndreasLutro | hanibana: nmap doesn't scan every port by default, it only scans the "most commonly used" ones. /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |
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| 07:55.01 | grig | hanibana that's because by default nmap scans the top 1000 tcp ports and port 221 is not among them |
| 07:55.08 | andrew2221 | I am having a dual-core machine, and either one or the other core is 100% when I copy files from my machine to a server in lan, and even the mouse is lagging badly. |
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| 07:55.59 | AndreasLutro | andrew2221: perfectly normal yeah |
| 07:56.16 | andrew2221 | AndreasLutro: Damn... :( Ok, thank you very much. |
| 07:57.35 | disposable2 | andrew2221: what filesystem are you copying to/from, what speed, what network card are you using? how are you copying the files (scp, nfs, etc...)? |
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| 07:58.55 | disposable2 | andrew2221: are you copying from the same volume as your / mountpoint? |
| 08:01.24 | andrew2221 | disposable2: I am on EXT4, the server is CentOS, the partition I am copying to is NFS, it is mounted locally to a folder, local lan speed is capped at 10-12Mb/s, so it's not gigabit, and yes, I am putting files simply (no scp/sftp) with mc. |
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| 08:05.01 | andrew2221 | AndreasLutro: Before I used Ubuntu, same machine, same everything from a hardware pov, and did not experienced that lag + cpu usage.. So I don't know how normal is it.. |
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| 08:05.55 | AndreasLutro | interesting |
| 08:05.56 | disposable2 | andrew2221: then there is not good reason for your machine to stutter (unless they are tiny files). |
| 08:06.14 | disposable2 | andrew2221: i am also assuming you meant MB and not Mb |
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| 08:07.05 | andrew2221 | disposable2: Yeah, sorry, megabytes (MB). And the same happens, no matter if small/large files, only one or many.. |
| 08:09.27 | andrew2221 | disposable2: Otherwise the system is pretty stable, no heavy usage, sometimes a few peeks.. Browsing the server is not slow, and CPU is normal.. Only when I copy it happens. I am trying to copy from the server to my machine, to see if behaves the same. |
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| 08:11.44 | andrew2221 | disposable2: Yup, copying files from the server to my machine, and the symptoms are the same. High CPU usage and stuttering. |
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| 08:18.45 | andrew2221 | disposable2: Btw, system is up to date. |
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| 08:20.56 | disposable2 | andrew2221: if you see no obvious problem in logs, copy your NIC's firmware file from ubuntu (/lib/firmware), retest || install a low latency kernel, retest. |
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| 08:24.47 | andrew2221 | This is my working rig, I am at work, so cannot afford this at the moment, but I am saving this for after hours, thought it was something more obvious, and someone else bumped into it. Thank you very much. |
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| 08:32.38 | malm | Hi all. I have a minor annoyance I cannot seem to fix: When I run "aptitude full-upgrade --simulate --assume-yes" I get back "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded." although /var/log/aptitude lists no pkgs held back!? Running Debian testing. |
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| 08:36.00 | malm | I got this earlier but then the aptitude log listed libpath-tiny-perl as held back and it turned out that it was not needed (dep chain led to a recommendation from a pkg) so I uninstalled it and now I still get 1 pkg held so is it still that pkg and just a "cache issue"? |
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| 08:37.35 | tesko | try apt upgrade |
| 08:37.42 | tesko | no -get |
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| 08:45.46 | mxh- | apt 4 life |
| 08:45.52 | mxh- | preach it |
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| 08:56.55 | guardian | what's the difference between "[ ! -f /var/run/nginx.pid ] || kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/nginx.pid`" and "invoke-rc.d nginx rotate >/dev/null 2>&1" |
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| 09:08.16 | jolt | guardian: In reality I don't think there is much difference in the outcome. Byt invoke-rc.d is a debian wrapper for systemv/systemd init scripts to obey local policies |
| 09:08.43 | jolt | so invoke-rc.d nginx runs /etc/init.d/nginx with the arg rotate |
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| 09:09.33 | jolt | guardian: and /etc/init.d/nginx rotate just calls a function in to use start-stop-daemon to send USR1 to nginx. So the outcome is exactly the same |
| 09:10.43 | jolt | guardian: But using invoke-rc.d takes in account dependencies in the startup scripts and more. So there could be a difference in what it actually executes. |
| 09:10.56 | malm | tesko: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded." when running both apt-get upgrade and apt upgrade I'm afraid. |
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| 09:15.41 | guardian | I'm asking because I just upgraded a wheezy box to -> jessie -> stretch and now I noticed the mails I receive as part of the "mail" directive in my rotate configuration file are: now named .xxx.gz and content is scrambled :( |
| 09:16.04 | cromag | is it possible to use debsums against a non-local md5sum ? |
| 09:16.55 | gpunk | guardian: .gz are not scrambled, but compressed , you can gunzip them |
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| 09:21.11 | guardian | I know |
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| 09:22.46 | guardian | here is what Thunderbird show me as message content: https://s26.postimg.org/51iq1w2tl/Screen_Shot_2017-09-18_at_11.21.42.png |
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| 09:36.46 | krptnx | hi |
| 09:36.50 | krptnx | i have a question |
| 09:36.59 | krptnx | if i have root and home encrypted |
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| 09:37.21 | krptnx | and my pc is on, after password typed (password for decryption) |
| 09:37.34 | krptnx | is my data unencrypted in ram? |
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| 09:37.47 | krptnx | or is there only a portion of clear data and password in ram |
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| 09:42.33 | vlt | krptnx: The data is decrypted while reading it. |
| 09:43.05 | vlt | krptnx: The linux kernel tries to cache as much data as it can to prevent further hitting the drives. |
| 09:43.20 | krptnx | ok, so if a program uses certain file to take data from (settings and other stuff) it will be all clear in ram, clear meaning decrypted? |
| 09:43.28 | vlt | krptnx: So, parts of your data are held in RAM (and the passphrase, too). |
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| 09:44.25 | vlt | krptnx: Yes, decrypted. But not neccessarily the *whole* file. |
| 09:45.00 | krptnx | and that is very important |
| 09:45.08 | krptnx | i need to hide certain string |
| 09:45.22 | krptnx | that is suspicious for the owner of the server that hosts that vps |
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| 09:46.49 | krptnx | and ive heard that i can store the key in cpu cache |
| 09:46.55 | krptnx | which would be helpful |
| 09:47.35 | kopper | I doubt that VPS owner wastes his time examining RAM dumps |
| 09:48.24 | petn-randall | krptnx: A VPS provider can take a snapshot of your VPS at any time and extract the key from the memory dump. So you need real hardware if you want to hide something. |
| 09:50.06 | krptnx | they do a lot if proper person asks |
| 09:50.14 | krptnx | thats what i am trying to avoid |
| 09:50.22 | krptnx | i know about the snapshots |
| 09:50.54 | AndreasLutro | if you're that skeptical of VPS providers you will simply have to host the machine on a physical server yourself |
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| 09:51.31 | kopper | Maybe consider then not using VPS for your confidential stuff |
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| 09:52.36 | krptnx | maybe |
| 09:52.47 | krptnx | i cant use my home pc because of low upload |
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| 10:26.52 | krptnx | i think that i found the solution |
| 10:27.22 | krptnx | i will make a virtual os on vps, vps will be encrypted, and virtual os will use now ram at all, it will only use swap |
| 10:27.56 | krptnx | that way admin of the server won't find the string on hdd (because its encrypted) and on ram - because there is only a decryption key, no string |
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| 10:37.59 | bmonty | I missed the start of this thread...but are you trying to use disk encryption and hide the key from the vps provider? |
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| 10:39.15 | kopper | Apparently not the key, but some "string" |
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| 10:39.43 | bmonty | same thing? |
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| 10:40.32 | krptnx | yup |
| 10:40.45 | Manjana | Hi guys - I'm going to install Debian on a windows 10 UEFI system. Can anyone explain to me, how I dual boot? |
| 10:40.47 | krptnx | but i realised that it is not possible to use swap only |
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| 10:41.06 | krptnx | Manjana you have to add entry to grub |
| 10:41.08 | bmonty | it's also not possible to hide contents of a vps from the service provider |
| 10:41.21 | krptnx | https://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiW3qGOxq7WAhViIpoKHdWwBbgQtwIILTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9hd_NEvwr3M&usg=AFQjCNGH0qIlzCcwHbtPYdZo8D9hFrO_VQ |
| 10:41.33 | krptnx | Manjana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hd_NEvwr3M |
| 10:41.49 | Manjana | krptnx, Thx |
| 10:42.04 | krptnx | bmonty it would be possible if i could use swap only on my virtual os |
| 10:42.16 | krptnx | than my provider would not find string |
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| 10:42.33 | bmonty | sure they can...just do a memory snapshot and carve it out |
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| 10:43.37 | krptnx | memory will only give them key, if the virtual os would use only swap on hdd instead of actual ram |
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| 10:43.42 | Manjana | krptnx, do you also know how I find out if my system uses MBR or GPT? It's a brand new (almost) laptop, so i assume its GPT? |
| 10:43.44 | krptnx | but i checked that it is impossible |
| 10:43.52 | krptnx | to use only swap on hdd with no ram at all |
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| 10:44.05 | krptnx | yes its gpt |
| 10:44.10 | Manjana | Ok thx :) |
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| 10:49.44 | hnsz2002 | hi! i have grub-install problem with debian 7 |
| 10:49.57 | hnsz2002 | the following command are stuck: /usr/sbin/grub-probe --target=device / |
| 10:50.01 | mxh- | hnsz2002: nvme drive? |
| 10:50.07 | hnsz2002 | not, simple sata |
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| 10:50.24 | hnsz2002 | 2-disk raid1, one died, i replaced, and i want to install grub to other disk |
| 10:50.43 | mxh- | why 7? obligatory question yaknow |
| 10:51.04 | hnsz2002 | why not? |
| 10:51.44 | hnsz2002 | an old server... currently not need to change |
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| 10:59.39 | mxh- | To each his own, a backup and fresh 9 install would very likely work. anyways it's probably stuck scanning for your OS install on a disk that doesn't exist anymore. try changin to GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true in /etc/grub.d/30_os-something and retry. |
| 10:59.47 | mxh- | Worst case you change it back, no harm done. |
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| 11:11.13 | guardian | there's this stretch box on which I'm root but I don't have physical access. If I shutdown -Rf now, where can I read the output of fsck after having regained ssh access? |
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| 11:17.13 | petn-randall | guardian: Is the -f an undocumented option? I don't see it in the man pages. |
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| 11:17.34 | guardian | in fact I don't see it either |
| 11:17.45 | guardian | it's how I use to force fsck before systemd |
| 11:17.57 | guardian | but now I'm a bit lost on the proper way to ask stretch to reboot and fsck |
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| 11:29.30 | Manjana | I'm installing Debian and cannot find any other partition/drives besides my USB, has anyone ever encountered this? |
| 11:30.07 | Manjana | I shrunk my SSD prior, and should have a lot of unpartiotioned space |
| 11:30.35 | Manjana | (of that im 100% sure) |
| 11:31.48 | cg_ | mount |
| 11:31.59 | cg_ | man mount |
| 11:32.08 | cg_ | and so |
| 11:33.05 | krptnx | lsblk shows all disks |
| 11:33.28 | krptnx | i don't know if it needs sudo |
| 11:35.10 | BCMM | Manjana: unpartitioned space is not a type of partition, and will not show on a list of partitions/drives |
| 11:35.26 | BCMM | oh, you mean the installer isn't seeing your SSD at all, right? |
| 11:35.27 | Manjana | I can only access a minimal shell, lsblk, sudo and man doesn't work. |
| 11:35.35 | Manjana | Yeah BCMM |
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| 11:37.53 | Manjana | I burned image as DD insted of ISO because i couldn't boot into UEFI when I burned as ISO |
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| 11:40.10 | BCMM | Manjana: if it's a debian hybrid image, it's supposed to work when dd'ed to a USB stick |
| 11:40.58 | Manjana | Ok. Its pure debian, so that can be ruled out. |
| 11:40.58 | BCMM | can you say, in detail, which debian image you used and how you put it on the USB? |
| 11:41.31 | Manjana | I used Rufus, burned as DD, Fat32 |
| 11:41.52 | Manjana | Debian image is the official latest stable |
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| 11:44.59 | Manjana | I had trouble with the exact same thing a week ago when i tried installing an Arch distro btw. But I thought it was just because I was a noob that it might've failed |
| 11:45.16 | BCMM | i'm not famliar with rufus, but do you know what it actually does? |
| 11:45.31 | BCMM | is it *just* an image writer or is it one of those tools that tries to adapt CD images for USB? |
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| 11:45.52 | Manjana | Don't know :/ |
| 11:46.56 | BCMM | asking because there's a well-known tool called unetbootin that tries to do that, and generally makes problems |
| 11:47.15 | BCMM | debian recommends win32diskimager for making bootable USB sticks on windows https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 11:47.22 | BCMM | so it might be worth trying that |
| 11:47.51 | BCMM | Manjana: can you link to the image you're using though? debian has more than one type of official image |
| 11:48.00 | Manjana | Cool, will give it a try and see how it works out! |
| 11:48.09 | Manjana | 2 sec. |
| 11:48.14 | BCMM | (or just tell me the original filename of it if you don't have access to the browser history) |
| 11:48.48 | Manjana | Debian-9.1.0 amd64 xfce cd1 |
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| 11:49.52 | BCMM | that... doesn't look like a filename |
| 11:50.09 | BCMM | but lets just assume it's an isohybrid image for now and see if win32diskimager works |
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| 11:51.11 | Manjana | Exact filename is: debian-9.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1 |
| 11:51.16 | Manjana | .iso |
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| 11:58.47 | BCMM | Manjana: yeah, that should work fine in a USB stick. try win32diskimager |
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| 12:02.10 | Manjana | It's the same ;/ |
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| 12:07.59 | Manjana | BCMM, this looks proper, right? https://ibb.co/gZixTk |
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| 12:21.09 | wingman2 | Can anyone with any initramfs experience tell me if this will import the listed kernel modules? https://gist.github.com/andrewc12/f6fc0ed6b19e689165116f9879edf8bf |
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| 12:23.19 | wingman2 | I would like someone elses opinion before I make my system unbootable :p |
| 12:23.25 | petn-randall | wingman2: If you want to load modules, just add the names to /etc/modules and run update-initramfs. |
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| 12:27.56 | wingman2 | petn-randall: I did that but I believe the debian dist-upgrade wiped it so I'm wary |
| 12:28.30 | wingman2 | So I'm looking at working on a custom deb that I can install |
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| 12:29.13 | wingman2 | or at least a hookscript |
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| 12:42.03 | Manjana | Still haven't gotten to the root of the problem, about why my SSD doesn't register when I try to install Debian (in case any genius' lurking around) :) |
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| 12:44.50 | Manjana | (This is the SSD which my windows is running on) |
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| 13:09.49 | tvm | Manjana: how it doesn't "register" ? As in, the SSD is invisible in the installer ? |
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| 13:11.45 | Manjana | tvm, Yes. It's an M2.SSD - Have aimilar issues with other distros. |
| 13:13.29 | Manjana | I have both Secure boot and Fast boot disabled. - My system is UEFI with GPT |
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| 13:15.24 | Manjana | I've never had any similar issues on any other system but this is a new PC |
| 13:15.47 | tvm | well, what's on drive has no impact, be it UEFI or legacy |
| 13:16.01 | tvm | err, GPT or FAT that is |
| 13:16.20 | tvm | i'd go through the dmesg and see if the device is found at all |
| 13:16.38 | tvm | i don't see a reason why it shouldn't be detected |
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| 13:16.50 | Manjana | Im a noob, do i type dmesg in a shell? |
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| 13:17.19 | tvm | Manjana: perhaps read through this: https://superuser.com/questions/1022849/m-2-samsung-sm951-nvme-ssd-not-recognized-on-linux |
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| 13:19.16 | Manjana | Thx will try to read that! |
| 13:20.20 | Manjana | But one thing: I must boot the live USB into UEFI mode, and not legacy right? |
| 13:20.34 | tvm | it doesn't matters i think |
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| 13:22.25 | tvm | i think it's the BIOS/motherboard settings that prevent you from seeing the SSD (as outlined in that link) |
| 13:22.56 | tvm | kernel doesn't really cares all that much about BIOS settings, but this case could be exception |
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| 13:34.25 | Manjana | Ok thanks |
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| 13:35.23 | xai | /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 547: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: systemctl: not found |
| 13:35.32 | xai | Hello. Is this bug or it's normal? |
| 13:36.16 | xai | I just thought that Debian is about choice and there's no need to use systemd to run nginx. This's not a complaint. |
| 13:37.25 | xai | init-system-helpers-1.48 |
| 13:38.26 | Brigo | xai, i think you have the system missconfigured, how do you delete systemd? |
| 13:38.33 | xai | Brigo: Yes. |
| 13:38.48 | xai | systemctl is invoked by init-system-helpers ("helper tools for all init systems"). |
| 13:39.04 | xai | Oops, sorry, misread |
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| 13:39.25 | xai | apt-get install openrc sysvinit-core; dpkg -P systemd libpam-systemd |
| 13:42.24 | Brigo | xai is sysvinit-utils installed? |
| 13:42.35 | xai | Brigo: Yes. |
| 13:44.13 | Brigo | xai, something weird is happening, /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d should use systemctl only if available. |
| 13:44.39 | Brigo | xai, is systemd still running? |
| 13:44.53 | petn-randall | wingman2: Which dist-upgrade wiped what? |
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| 13:45.41 | xai | petn-randall: Yes. |
| 13:45.52 | xai | Sorry, again |
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| 13:46.10 | xai | petn-randall: Didn't understand the question. |
| 13:46.33 | Brigo | xai, i think he wasn't talking with you but wingman2 . |
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| 13:46.43 | petn-randall | xai: That is because I'm talking to wingman2, which is why I put their name in front of the message. |
| 13:46.54 | Brigo | xai, do your reboot after remove systemd? |
| 13:46.56 | xai | ok, sorry :) |
| 13:47.17 | xai | Brigo: Well, no. Just rebooted and see another error in the same package, diagnosing. |
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| 13:48.09 | nvz | If I create a file with dd and use cryptsetup and mkfs on it to create an encrypted filesystem what would be the proceedure to make it larger if it fills up? I imagine I can append zeros to the file, and use the appropriate fs resize tool, but I figure there is also something that would need to be done to resize the crypt container itself |
| 13:48.39 | xai | Brigo: Ok. Reboot was required. Thank you. |
| 13:48.57 | mhs | Is there any way i can install the same desktop environment that Trisquel uses on Debian 9 ? |
| 13:48.58 | Brigo | xai, np. |
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| 13:49.09 | Brigo | mhs, which is? |
| 13:49.43 | mhs | @Brigo I think it is Gnome flashback, i'm not sure though |
| 13:49.47 | Manjana | tvm, setting startup boot mode to legacy and booting into UEFI solved it :-) |
| 13:50.02 | nvz | mhs: you mean as in gnome 2.x? |
| 13:50.22 | Brigo | nvz, there is a gnome-flashback package ins debian |
| 13:50.27 | mhs | let me check for a bit |
| 13:50.37 | nvz | Brigo: I'd never heard of it |
| 13:50.50 | tvm | Manjana: awesome |
| 13:50.52 | mhs | you see i run trisquel, but i like Debian too.. |
| 13:50.53 | Brigo | nvz, sorry, it was for mhs |
| 13:51.13 | Manjana | tvm, incredible it was that simple lol xD |
| 13:51.22 | mhs | Trisquel doesn't support my wireless driver, Debian does |
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| 13:53.00 | jelly | mhs: you need to be very careful when choosing hardware that works on libre OS-es like Trisquel |
| 13:54.52 | mhs | jelly: I found out the hard way :/ |
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| 13:55.27 | mhs | jelly: Everything is supported except that wireless driver, and there is no way for me to add that to the repo's since only libre software is allowed on that |
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| 13:56.52 | mxh- | Even if it worked it's still way too outdates for people to ever use |
| 13:56.57 | mxh- | outdated* |
| 13:56.59 | mxh- | Sadly |
| 13:57.26 | mort | hey - I'm having an issue with apt-get source. Running `sudo apt install chromium-browser` installs chromium version 60.0.3112.89, while `apt-get source chromium-browser` downloads the sources for 600.3112.78. |
| 13:57.46 | mort | This is raspbian on a raspberry pi, but I'm asking here, because I'm wondering: am I using apt-get wrong, or is it a raspbian issue? |
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| 14:05.20 | nvz | mort: apt-get source is suppose to download the appropriate source package used to compile whatever it'd get with apt-get install however there may be patches applied that explain this issue |
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| 14:06.03 | nvz | mort: its a fine example of why we can't support raspbian here because they maintain packages with different patches and policies |
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| 14:08.16 | rsv | apt search output is colorized, I'm piping it to most and the result is stripped of colors. Not a huge issue but I'm curious if anyone might have a clue what is going on? |
| 14:08.17 | apt | okay, rsv |
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| 14:08.32 | nvz | apt forget search output |
| 14:08.32 | apt | i forgot search output, nvz |
| 14:08.55 | rsv | thanks, nvz, didn't know about the bot :) |
| 14:09.04 | nvz | rsv: no worries ;) |
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| 14:10.54 | nvz | rsv: the colors are a feature of one app and not the other, this happens and for good reason, because any method it'd use to pipe color to another program would cause issues with any program that didn't support it |
| 14:12.48 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 14:12.48 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 14:13.17 | jelly | mort: ^^ we do not know what is present in raspbian's repos |
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| 14:15.08 | mort | that's fine, I was just asking here in case I was using `apt-get source` wrong :) |
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| 14:15.36 | nvz | rsv: short version is, we got several bots, apt, debhelper, dpkg, judd, and Piggy, and you can't start a sentance with ~ , ! and dpkg or apt are fact bots so they respond to the word "is" when you address them as though you're telling them what something is |
| 14:15.55 | nvz | mort: probably not, my guess is they are pulling the debian source package then patching it |
| 14:16.30 | nvz | mort: that version number of the source package matches the one in debian. The raspbian people would be able to properly answer that question |
| 14:16.31 | metax | hi, when i try to remove manuually installed nmap by dpkg -i nmap.deb , i remove it dpkg -r nmap and it shows an error: |
| 14:16.38 | metax | /usr/bin/ncat: resource or device busy |
| 14:16.50 | metax | now when i try to remove ncat, the same error appears |
| 14:17.03 | metax | i tried to see lsof, ps and netstat to check if the process is used, it is not |
| 14:17.09 | metax | what might be the problem? |
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| 14:18.07 | nvz | metax: you covered the obvious it seems, aside from checking if the filesystem is read-only. Rather than guessing use strace |
| 14:18.09 | metax | i tried chmoding that file 777 and 666 still can't remove |
| 14:18.41 | metax | nvz, my filesystem is rw |
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| 14:19.02 | metax | i can create/delete other files in /usr/bin |
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| 14:19.34 | nvz | metax: yeah well you already tried half a dozen things, I'm not going to list dozens more. What I'd do is strace and find out where that is coming from |
| 14:20.07 | metax | yeah ok |
| 14:20.21 | metax | (i just never used strace, heh) |
| 14:20.23 | metax | willl try |
| 14:20.31 | nvz | metax: you may also want to consider what the filesystem is.. is there raid, lvm, quotas, remote fs, etc.. |
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| 14:21.08 | nvz | are there mandatory access controls implemented, is this a virtual machine... etc |
| 14:21.18 | metax | it's an ext4 mapped by cryptsetup device (non-lvm) /dev/mapper/root_fs on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered) |
| 14:21.27 | metax | no, just a normal system |
| 14:21.47 | metax | standard debian installation |
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| 14:22.07 | metax | the problem appeared when i installed nmap via dpkg without dependencies |
| 14:22.18 | metax | now i can't upgrade anything because of broken deps not remove nmap |
| 14:22.22 | nvz | strace can be used to run a command or to attach to a running process it intercepts all the calls between the app and the kernel, it'll probably help run down what exactly is happening |
| 14:22.23 | metax | nor* |
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| 14:22.48 | tsuyubo | hello |
| 14:22.53 | nvz | unfortunately its an optional package that may not be installed |
| 14:23.08 | metax | nmap? |
| 14:23.13 | nvz | strace |
| 14:23.15 | metax | ah |
| 14:23.48 | tsuyubo | i have installed debian 9 with dual os(with win 7),but it report grub-pc install failed |
| 14:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | metax: If you've described the problem accurately, aptitude -f install should fix it. |
| 14:24.53 | nvz | tsuyubo: during the installer you got this message? i.e. you're still installing now? |
| 14:25.05 | metax | jhutchins_wk, i described the problem accurately and aptitude -f is not fixing it |
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| 14:25.21 | tsuyubo | nvz: yeah... |
| 14:25.23 | jhutchins_wk | metax: Then it's not related to installing nmap. |
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| 14:25.59 | tsuyubo | I have installed it many times but failed. |
| 14:26.06 | metax | it is, because apt-get -f and aptitude -f first WANT to remove nmap, then do any other things |
| 14:26.11 | San | hi guys i would like to setup a video player on my dedicated server to host videos |
| 14:26.12 | bezaban | rsv: https://github.com/Debian/apt/blob/1d9e29c9e2a5591b42a99a721b901fc003ed9149/apt-private/private-output.cc#L73 is going on to be exact :) |
| 14:26.16 | metax | then none of these can't remove nmap to proceed |
| 14:26.24 | nvz | tsuyubo: yes doing it over and over isn't going to fix anything. you need to figure out why its failing |
| 14:26.25 | San | i have installed NGINX |
| 14:26.27 | metax | due to be unable to remove /usr/bin/ncat |
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| 14:26.51 | nvz | tsuyubo: I haven't used the debian installer in many years but last I did, it kept logs running on the ttys |
| 14:26.53 | San | is there any video player avaiable that can be comptiable with android and iphones ? |
| 14:27.23 | San | i have read about JW Player but how do i get one ? |
| 14:27.29 | nvz | San: vlc is available for android, idk about ios |
| 14:28.20 | metax | huh strace is showing lots of information |
| 14:28.24 | tsuyubo | nvz: hi, i install debain on another pc,at first, i think that result maybe result from |
| 14:28.43 | metax | http://paste.debian.net/986637/ |
| 14:28.47 | tsuyubo | uefi, but i make sure i disable it |
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| 14:29.20 | San | any others then VLC |
| 14:29.37 | nvz | tsuyubo: its possible this is a uefi issue, sure.. but without checking the logs or running the update-grub manually to see the specific error one can only guess |
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| 14:31.12 | tsuyubo | nvz: may i skip the step and reboot with cd-live and update-grub manually ? |
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| 14:31.53 | nvz | tsuyubo: or just check it from the installer.. |
| 14:31.55 | Manjana | Hi again guys - anyone know how i enable wifi on a fresh debian install? I think i might be missing a driver perhaps? |
| 14:32.03 | metax | damn maybe i should mount that fs in offline mode and remove ncat then? |
| 14:32.16 | tsuyubo | someone suggest it connect internet on google, ,, |
| 14:32.21 | metax | i don't see any other possibility , it just doesn't let me remove that file |
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| 14:33.07 | tsuyubo | nvz: Oh, i use unversity-usb-installer to write debian.iso into usb disk, That is ok? |
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| 14:33.47 | nvz | tsuyubo: no clue. all I know is the debian installer always had multiple ttys, usually one or two for a shell and one or two with logs on them |
| 14:34.44 | nvz | tsuyubo: you either need to check the logs for a more verbose output than simply that the step failed, or you need to activate a console, chroot to the rootfs of the install and run the grub install command manually |
| 14:35.11 | metax | omg wow |
| 14:35.12 | metax | # cat>/usr/bin/ncat |
| 14:35.12 | metax | qwd |
| 14:35.12 | metax | # rm -rf /usr/bin/ncat |
| 14:35.12 | metax | rm: cannot remove «/usr/bin/ncat»: Device or resource busy |
| 14:35.12 | metax | # |
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| 14:36.21 | tsuyubo | debian installer? i never use it, but i think i can try it |
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| 14:36.53 | metax | http://paste.debian.net/986643/ <- now these are contents of /usr/bin/ncat and stil unable to remove it |
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| 14:37.21 | nvz | tsuyubo: look, if you're not using the standard debian installer it doesn't matter, you can chroot from anything that boots. you mount the rootfs, chroot to it and run the command manually |
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| 14:38.38 | nvz | metax: you mean it allowed you to overwrite the file but not remove it? |
| 14:38.48 | metax | yep |
| 14:38.51 | metax | rm: cannot remove «/usr/bin/ncat»: Device or resource busy |
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| 14:39.02 | metax | and it's only that particular file |
| 14:39.08 | metax | in the /usr/bin/ directory |
| 14:39.20 | tsuyubo | nvz: I understood your mean, but i install debain from bios with USB stratup, |
| 14:39.32 | nvz | thats pretty wild.. hence why you need strace to tell you what is going on, because is it a device or a resource, and if so which one? |
| 14:39.32 | San | hi is there any zip extractor for debian |
| 14:39.33 | cruncher | Manjana, probably firmware missing. check the output of dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 14:39.34 | San | that i can instal |
| 14:39.36 | tsuyubo | Can i chroot it in such way? |
| 14:39.50 | nvz | San: unzip |
| 14:39.54 | metax | nvz, may be you can take a short look at strace output? http://paste.debian.net/986637/ |
| 14:40.04 | San | nvz: didnt work |
| 14:40.06 | metax | i can't find any problem in that output |
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| 14:40.20 | nvz | San: what didn't work about it? |
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| 14:41.00 | nvz | San: don't /msg people on this network without permission |
| 14:41.15 | San | sorry nvz |
| 14:41.17 | San | may i pm u |
| 14:41.19 | metax | and this is strace output after i changed the contents of binary file: http://paste.debian.net/986645/ |
| 14:41.50 | nvz | San: no it distracts me from what I'm doing and doesnt allow other people to help you |
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| 14:42.44 | metax | it seems to me strace wouldn't be able to help to find the root problem |
| 14:42.48 | nvz | metax: well obviously, its not a binary anymore, file could've told us that |
| 14:42.51 | metax | there's something else |
| 14:43.06 | nvz | metax: you run strace on the command thats giving the error not on ncat.. you run strace on dpkg -r or rm |
| 14:43.09 | San | ok sure |
| 14:43.15 | metax | ahh |
| 14:43.30 | metax | like strace dpkg -r nmap ? |
| 14:43.42 | nvz | metax: rm would probably be simpler but yeah |
| 14:43.51 | San | ok guys i would want to install this on my dedicated server to host video files |
| 14:43.52 | San | http://www2.videojs.com/ |
| 14:43.54 | San | i found a player |
| 14:44.00 | San | i have download the zip file |
| 14:44.13 | San | and my dedicated server also have NGINX installed |
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| 14:44.37 | San | how do i go about installing |
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| 14:45.04 | tsuyubo | nvz: Thank you very much for your time! Good time! |
| 14:45.28 | metax | http://paste.debian.net/986647/ here it is just in case you can look on it |
| 14:45.36 | metax | rm -rf /usr/bin/ncat straced |
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| 14:45.39 | nvz | San: installing 3rd party packages would require you get support from the 3rd party developer, we can't support that stuff here |
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| 14:48.35 | nvz | metax: what says ls -l /usr/bin/ncat |
| 14:48.59 | metax | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4 Sep 18 16:34 /usr/bin/ncat |
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| 14:53.08 | nvz | metax: idk I was hoping that this wouldn't be the case.. because the unlink call is what is giving the EBUSY and you were apparently able to overwrite the file which seems to rule out hardware issues with accessing that file |
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| 14:53.51 | nvz | metax: fuser or lsof show nothing accessing that file? |
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| 14:54.05 | metax | yes they show nothing i checked twice everything |
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| 14:54.19 | metax | maybe it's a problem with HDD? |
| 14:54.31 | metax | but strange, other files are working fine |
| 14:54.52 | nvz | metax: if it were the hdd you'd think the overwrite would fail.. but it could still possibly be the fs.. metadata or something, considered an fsck? |
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| 14:55.13 | metax | will fsck now |
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| 14:55.34 | nvz | you'd need to go to single and remount readonly to fsck the rootfs |
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| 14:57.07 | carl_ | hi I would like to ask on this chat an advice about an easy but good firewall for debian9 |
| 14:57.49 | metax | nvz, do you any other thing in mind that I may try also? i will go offline now with these things |
| 14:58.03 | metax | just in case fsck will not help |
| 14:58.52 | nvz | metax: I'm at a loss since you managed to write over the file but can't unlink it.. the only thing that makes sense to me since you also ruled out something having a fd open on the file, is that the fs is somehow mangled |
| 15:00.14 | alreece45 | Would anyone happen to have any idea why GTK apps would appear themeless unless GTK_THEME is manually set? |
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| 15:02.05 | nvz | carl_: the firewall is built into the kernel, if you're looking for something cartoony to manage rules I'm not certain. I used firehol before but our bot tells me that it doesn't support ipv6 and also suggested ferm |
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| 15:05.10 | carl_ | nvz i have seen with iptables and it accept everything: input output and forward, i remember that in debian8 i had just output accepted |
| 15:05.45 | nvz | carl_: yes well if you did that you'd be unable to use the network |
| 15:05.56 | nvz | if you don't know how to manage a firewall you don't need one |
| 15:06.16 | alreece45 | has had good experience with ferm, for static configurations |
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| 15:06.43 | carl_ | nvz, i just want the basic firewall working |
| 15:07.00 | carl_ | for better privacy |
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| 15:07.10 | nvz | carl_: you're misinformed |
| 15:07.13 | carl_ | security* |
| 15:08.04 | nvz | a firewall does not offer privacy or security, nor does anything else other than an admin and auditing, above and beyond what well coded software already offers |
| 15:08.20 | carl_ | nvz, a firewall like ufw that block output and forward by default does not offer a better protection? |
| 15:08.28 | nvz | a firewall is just something that filters ports, once you allow something through that port it can be exploited |
| 15:08.52 | nvz | this machine is only listening on one port for ssh and the machine I'm connecting to it from isn't listening on any ports |
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| 15:08.57 | nvz | neither have firewalls |
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| 15:09.15 | tw | there are some l7 modules for iptables which do more. |
| 15:09.25 | tw | but those are mostly out of scope for your discussion. |
| 15:09.39 | nvz | sure, there are things out there that try audit for you.. like fail2ban for example |
| 15:09.51 | tw | There's also userspace packet queueing via nfqueue. |
| 15:10.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,v ufw |
| 15:10.01 | tw | which can also do L7 filtering. |
| 15:10.01 | judd | Package: ufw on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.31.1-2; jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-4; buster: 0.35-5; sid: 0.35-5 |
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| 15:10.32 | nvz | but if you don't know how to audit your services and logs, then nothing is going to really offer you additional security or privacy |
| 15:10.55 | nvz | even if you use something like tor browser, if you don't know what you're doing and use it carelessly you're still vulnerable |
| 15:10.55 | tw | ^- that. The admin has to know what he's doing and how to use his tools. |
| 15:11.51 | carl_ | well I just had it for improved security with output and forward denied but if it is completely unuseful with those setting I will not activate it |
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| 15:12.22 | nvz | if you only had outgoing traffic you could not be on a network |
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| 15:13.03 | carl_ | matbe input was denied.. i dont remember |
| 15:13.07 | carl_ | maybe* |
| 15:13.18 | nvz | the way it works is, even if all your ports are open, its irrelevant unless something is listening on them and bound to the iface and address |
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| 15:13.50 | carl_ | input and forward was denied, yes now I remember |
| 15:13.55 | nvz | if you aren't running anyhting bound to your internet facing IP and iface then your practices with your apps like your web browser is all that matters |
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| 15:16.20 | carl_ | i just use my computer for basic things, sometimes i download some torrent with transmission, I have few documents in my pc, that's it |
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| 15:19.32 | jhutchins_wk | carl_: forwarding is disabled by default, no need for a firewall. |
| 15:19.33 | nvz | carl_: transmission is a good example of an app that would open you up to possible issues.. its a p2p type app, anything you download with it can also be shared. So don't download anything you don't want to share, or make sure you know how to use the app well enough to control how much bandwidth you use to dl or ul or it may just saturate your connection |
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| 15:22.05 | nvz | its also a fine example of an app that could easily be affected negatively by a firewall, but that a firewall could not make any more secure. Transmission already has the ability to blacklist built in |
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| 15:23.04 | carl_ | jhutchins_wk, no is is disabled, see https://paste.debian.net/986652/ |
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| 15:24.33 | carl_ | nvz, i set the upload limit to 5 kb/sec just to dont close it completely, sometimes if you block the upload the download is very slow |
| 15:24.52 | Oscar-- | Hi! Do you have any idea how it is possible, that "arp -a" or "ip neighbor show" list the IP address of the host itself with a wrong MAC address? I would not expect the own IP to be listed at all. |
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| 15:26.50 | nvz | carl_: yes it can be.. leeching taxes the seeds, by sharing bandwidth and seeding you loosen the load on the swarm. however if you occasionally as I have in the past pirate tv shows cause your xfinity crap don't work right on linux.. heh.. you get notes from comcast cause you were seeding HBO's copyrighted material.. heh.. they dont care that you pay for HBO |
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| 15:27.47 | abrotman | nvz: to be fair, those are rights for consumption, not distribution .. you're smarter than that |
| 15:28.20 | nvz | abrotman: yes I am, but I accidentally set the wrong setting in my settings.json and thought I had my uploads turned off |
| 15:28.25 | simbalion | Is it possible to get a list of active services on a specific port? |
| 15:28.29 | rsarson | hi! am i in the right channel to ask about setting up /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:28.34 | simbalion | using systemctl or service? |
| 15:28.50 | alreece45 | Oscar--: Not really, but I'd probably start by looking at the local routing table, `ip route list table local` |
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| 15:29.09 | Iridos | no, but fuser portnumber/tcp should do it (or netstat -tulpn |grep portnumber) |
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| 15:29.21 | Iridos | both only as root, though (or the user owning the service) |
| 15:29.31 | lord_rob | rsarson: better to ask your question |
| 15:29.48 | nvz | simbalion: netstat does specifically that if I recall correctly |
| 15:30.13 | simbalion | nvz: The problem is I need to find out what is supervising and launching httpd |
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| 15:30.44 | simbalion | service and systemctl are not responding to apache, apache2, or httpd, so something else must be doing it? Or it's under a different service name |
| 15:31.24 | carl_ | abrotman, hi man is your advice the same about the firewall? https://paste.debian.net/986652/ do you think I should leave as it is? |
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| 15:33.28 | tw | simbalion: pstree w/ -H to get a tree view of the port owner? |
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| 15:34.09 | simbalion | tw: that doesn't work, says no such user name w/ |
| 15:34.41 | nvz | simbalion: what about just doing systemctl show httpd | grep "Id=" |
| 15:34.44 | simbalion | tw: oh that wasn't a literal command was it |
| 15:34.49 | simbalion | I got it, thanks :) |
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| 15:35.36 | tw | I don't know if there's a good tool to do that kind of system inspection. |
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| 15:35.38 | rsarson | lord_rob: i'm trying to figure out the best way to setup source.list. i've read about the different releases, ie, oldstable, stable, testing, etc. and the differences between "debian-security stretch/updates" and "debian stretch-updates", etc. what i'm not sure is if i should have all of updates, proposed-updates, backports or some combination of these OR just switch everything to "testing". this came about because i had everyth |
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| 15:36.31 | tw | rsarson: unless you like having things break, always use the current release name w/ updates and security updates, then add BPO if you need it. |
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| 15:41.38 | rsarson | tw: thanks for the reply. my laptop is jessie with updates and backports and i've noticed things are starting to break. my main computer is stretch with updates but not backports or proposed-updates. if i want the newer stuff and don't mind a few broken things, would it be better to just add backports and proposed-updates or just switch to testing? |
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| 15:46.53 | Oscar-- | alreece45, the local routing table does not look suspicious compared to other systems: local $ownip dev eth0 proto kernel scope host src $ownip, plus two broadcast entries for the lowest and highest address |
| 15:47.57 | tw | rsarson: switching to testing is a really good way to get breakage. If those are your options, I'd definitely go with updates and backports. I only pull in the packages from backports I need, which usually does pretty well. |
| 15:48.35 | tw | Once you start getting significant numbers of packages from backports (like you pull in a full GNOME stack from bp), it starts breaking packages that don't expect those library levels. |
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| 15:52.16 | nnyby | i'm trying to see the open kernel bugs for debian, but this page gives me a 500 error: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=linux |
| 15:52.24 | lord_rob | rsarson: if you know what you're doing and if you're ready to spend your time to fix some breakages sometimes, you can switch to testing. I just did that some months ago. Actually I was tired of using unstable ;) |
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| 15:54.25 | lord_rob | testing almost never breaks I think (well compared to sid) |
| 15:55.12 | rsarson | tw and lord_rob: when i first switched from jessie to stretch (testing), i had no idea what was i doing and broke a lot of stuff :) the thing i didn't know until now was "stretch" is no longer "testing". i noticed this because i was getting a lot less updates lately. that's why i'm in this channel today, i wondered if i should switch to "testing" outright, as that's what i thought i had anyway. |
| 15:55.37 | rsarson | i then discovered "proposed-updates", which added to my confusion. |
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| 15:57.27 | rsarson | and also "backports-sloppy" (?!) |
| 15:57.33 | tw | I'm using stable (deb9), w/ a bunch of dev tools installed in /opt, so I may not be the best example. |
| 15:58.14 | tw | sloppy is +2 debian versions. |
| 15:58.16 | ak77 | hello everyone... I somehow broke debian stretch during an upgrade... apt update gives "/usr/lib/apt/methods/https: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30: undefined symbol: p11_kit_uri_get_pin_value" and then it doesn't succeed to download anything |
| 15:58.32 | tw | regular backports is +1 debian version. |
| 15:58.44 | ak77 | needless to say, other things that need tls are broken too. |
| 15:59.55 | rsarson | tw: that helps. i did know backports is +1 debian version. |
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| 16:01.20 | rsarson | so one last question: what's the difference between updates and proposed-updates? |
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| 16:02.11 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: Whether you use testing or stable really depends on whether you need the computer to do work, or if working on the computer is your goal. |
| 16:02.18 | ak77 | nm gives sybol undefined for p11_kit_uri_get_pin_value in libgnutls.so.30 |
| 16:02.48 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: Some people don't have any trouble with testing; some people make snapshots or other backups before each upgrade so that if somethiing breaks they can easily revert. |
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| 16:03.44 | tw | ak77: It's from libp11-kit0 |
| 16:03.44 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: Things are allowed to be broken in testing. Security vulnerabilities don't get proity patching in testing, because they will presumably be patched with the next package update. |
| 16:03.52 | lord_rob | usually it's easy to revert without making backups, I never made any |
| 16:04.02 | rsarson | jhutchins_wk: working on the computer is my goal :) if everything is stable, computing is boring for me - i can only check my email and watch youtube videos so many times. |
| 16:04.12 | lord_rob | (you always have snapshots.debian.net) |
| 16:04.32 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: Sometimes important things (intel video) stay broken for a long time, because the developers wait for them to be fixed properly instead of just band-aided. |
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| 16:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: It's still probably better to control your packages by release name than "testing" so that you don't get a sudden massive change you're not prepared for. |
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| 16:06.18 | rsarson | jhutchins_wk: that's exactly the thing i learned today... stretch no longer means testing. |
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| 16:07.02 | ak77 | tw: reinstalling this package helped. how did you find that this function is in that package? |
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| 16:07.49 | tw | ak77: ldd <that_so>; readelf -s <dependent_so> | grep <symbol> |
| 16:07.57 | rsarson | anyway, everyone, thanks for the feedback. i will leave everything as stretch with updates, proposed-updates and backports for now. |
| 16:08.05 | ak77 | tw: thank you |
| 16:08.13 | tw | I actually have a sodepresolv script that does that because it comes up a lot with what I do =/ |
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| 16:09.41 | jhutchins_wk | rsarson: It's worth reflecting that the stretch release was a while back and you weren't aware of it. |
| 16:10.57 | rsarson | jhutchins_wk: ya, july 2017, right? i can't believe how fast the summer went! |
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| 16:15.52 | jhutchins_wk | Faster every year. |
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| 16:21.30 | ntz | hello |
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| 16:21.42 | morcego48 | hello |
| 16:21.49 | ntz | how do I properly scan (something like rkhunter) for processes on server that are not allowed ? |
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| 16:22.26 | tw | You build your own list. You check it twice. |
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| 16:22.32 | tw | After that, apparmor or selinux |
| 16:22.50 | ntz | eg I don't see that in rkhunter manual but I'd like to check for example if somebody doesn't run some locally built sh*t (like mailserver0 from /usr/local or from user's homes |
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| 16:23.46 | tw | iirc, you can mount /home, /tmp, /var, /dev as noexec. |
| 16:23.46 | ntz | rkhunter lacks so painfully real docs |
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| 16:24.16 | ntz | tw: I'd prefer some real solution that will trigger warning if some security related incident happens |
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| 16:28.11 | kopper | audit is rather good tool if you want to log and report file access etc |
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| 16:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | Tripwire's pretty good too. |
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| 16:30.21 | ntz | kopper: I want to make sure in some sensible manner that somebody didn't run on server (for example) an own mailserver (under any random name) bound to high port |
| 16:30.23 | tw | tripwire detects fs changes though, not live processes, doesn't it? |
| 16:30.47 | ntz | that somebody didn't build some shit into the /usr/local (that will do presumably rkhunter) |
| 16:31.18 | tw | ntz: I was serious about apparmor. it has the tools for that, assuming nobody gets root access. |
| 16:31.25 | jhutchins_wk | ntz: Watch your logs and processes. |
| 16:31.54 | jhutchins_wk | ntz: Is yours a publicly accessible computer with uncontrolled accounts? |
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| 16:33.17 | jhutchins_wk | !lids |
| 16:33.17 | dpkg | [lids] an IDS and is at http://www.soaring-bird.com.cn/oss_proj/lids/, or http://www.lids.org |
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| 16:33.57 | ntz | hmm ... |
| 16:34.16 | ntz | I'd like to use rkhunter but it painfully lacks the docu ... |
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| 16:35.11 | ntz | omg it's so painful ... what is url to debian 7.11 repos .. I want to download rkhunter manually |
| 16:35.27 | kopper | ntz: Haven't tried this myself but apparently really hip on HIDS market https://github.com/ossec/ossec-hids |
| 16:35.35 | kopper | When it comes to open-source, that is |
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| 16:35.54 | ntz | kopper: thanks |
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| 16:37.04 | `Kevin | ntz: its not that `painful` you can find it on https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rkhunter |
| 16:38.28 | ntz | `Kevin: I have it already but how do I know what version is that when there are not used numbers ???? |
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| 16:39.04 | ntz | omg I hate debian ... /etc/debian_version says 7.11 |
| 16:39.12 | jhutchins_wk | ntz: There's this thing called "Google"... |
| 16:39.21 | tw | tbh, briefly reading the doc for rkhunter, it reads like tripwire for perl. |
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| 16:39.44 | tw | sha-1 logging known good binaries and config files, then reporting deviations. |
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| 16:40.59 | jhutchins_wk | There's also chkrootkit. |
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| 16:42.56 | ntz | thanks ppl |
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| 16:45.15 | jhutchins_wk | !lynix |
| 16:45.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, lynix is #del# |
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| 16:46.05 | AndreasLutro | program playing video (chrome, mpv) will occasionally freeze entirely, my window manager can't render them anymore, can't find anything in xorg or system logs. suspect it's started happening after an upgrade of libavcodec57 |
| 16:46.13 | AndreasLutro | ideas on how to troubleshoot? or where I can send a bug report? |
| 16:46.14 | jhutchins_wk | ...Also an IDS/auditing tool. |
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| 16:48.47 | tapensuk | Hi. Security question here: I've been reading that you should only give ssh access to the people who you trust, because any user with ssh access can break the machine easily if they want. If this is true why should you not just give sudo access? |
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| 16:50.34 | AndreasLutro | tapensuk: "easily" is a bit of an exaggaration - if there is a kernel root exploit for example, they will be able to get root until debian releases a fix and you run the upgrade |
| 16:51.05 | hicks_ | or misconfigured file permissions such as other user's home directories |
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| 16:53.20 | ntz | okay, did a fast test of rkhunter on debian ... well, it's pretty much useless, I've haven't seen long time something so pathetic like rkhunbter |
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| 16:53.59 | ntz | if rkhunter finds something it only indicates, that you've been infected/hacked by mentally retarded person with no IT skill |
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| 16:54.11 | tapensuk | AndreasLutro: I'm not talking about privilege escalation, I'm talking about wreaking havoc on a system as a normal user. |
| 16:55.13 | tapensuk | AndreasLutro: for example: fork bombs, deleting stuff, downloading and running code that uses up cpu etc |
| 16:55.43 | AndreasLutro | well, all of the things you mentioned doesn't leak sensitive data for example |
| 16:55.47 | AndreasLutro | so already it's not as severe |
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| 16:58.38 | FEZTechUser | Everyone: I installed debian stretch to a machine today (network install), upgraded to buster via the network, but now after a power-down and reboot my NIC won't chooch. |
| 16:58.53 | tapensuk | AndreasLutro: still, you wouldn't grant user access to a stranger off the internet would you? |
| 16:59.13 | tapensuk | who would you grant user access to but not sudo access? |
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| 16:59.44 | jelly | tapensuk: sure you'd allow user access to a stranger. We call those "customers". |
| 16:59.51 | annadane | FEZTechUser, buster goes in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:00.44 | kopper | tapensuk: if user has an account on your system and can use it locally, it really doesn't make any difference to give them ssh access if 1) you have configured SSH securely and 2) you can guarantee that users don't use their access on e.g. insecure machine or leave their passwords / keys /connection details laying around |
| 17:01.09 | AndreasLutro | tapensuk: any user I trust not to be malicious, but not knowledgable/responsible enough to manage the system, I guess |
| 17:01.27 | AndreasLutro | but also, just judge if they need sudo for whatever they do |
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| 17:03.46 | tapensuk | hmm I see, thanks, but jelly for example said to give customers access... Isn't everyone a potential customer? Do you have customers scan in their passports and do you have them verified by the gov before giving them user access? :/ |
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| 17:07.41 | AndreasLutro | erm, depends on what business you're in |
| 17:07.54 | AndreasLutro | if you're selling managed hosting you might give them ssh access with a few commands allowed with sudo |
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| 17:08.45 | AndreasLutro | if you're setting up an ftp proxy server you might set up openssh-server to only accept sftp connections from customers |
| 17:08.45 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 17:08.59 | AndreasLutro | like I said, just give people the least amount of access they *need* |
| 17:09.08 | frikinz | I'm not able to get kde to start with nvidia proprietary driver (pulled from debian.org). Whi |
| 17:09.39 | frikinz | Plasma can't start cause it can not use opengl 2 properly. |
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| 17:11.31 | frikinz | Video driver ABI version 23.0 that is not supported by this nvidia driver. ANy idea welcome.. |
| 17:12.44 | `Kevin | tapensuk: you should not think along the lines of sudo being the only way to become a problem... local exploit exits for the purpose of gaining root |
| 17:13.05 | `Kevin | tapensuk: otoh if you are giving ssh access to users whom you barely even know then you need to prepare for such things |
| 17:13.38 | `Kevin | tapensuk: it would help if we had more context regarding what you are providing |
| 17:13.59 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: Contact nvidia support. |
| 17:16.04 | frikinz | jhutchins_wk: :) |
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| 17:16.26 | frikinz | Is support so bad these days for nvidia cards? |
| 17:16.56 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: Not in my experience. I'm on the proprietary drivers as well, but I don't run KDE. |
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| 17:21.54 | teraflops | frikinz: idk to be honest, maybe if you give more information about which GPU model are you using, xorg.log and so on, you'd get support right here |
| 17:22.47 | frikinz | yes, I'll still try to get it to work on my own and will ask again if I fail. |
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| 17:25.35 | frikinz | I guess ABI failures are due to my desperate try to install from nvidia.com . Didn't fully build but still left files. Such a mess. |
| 17:28.02 | tapensuk | `Kevin Just considering giving someone I know user access without too many configurations |
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| 17:30.36 | tapensuk | Also, another question: If I were to host a "website" and there would be a file in the / directory called 12345.jpg , but I would have not linked to it anywhere, can anyone from the outside find out that this file exists, in a way that if not you could only see it if you knew the filename? |
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| 17:37.24 | teraflops | tapensuk: obviously not. unless a severe CVE/pebcak is going on |
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| 17:38.28 | teraflops | unless / does not mean the same for you and me |
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| 17:40.04 | AndreasLutro | there's little stoping search engines from indexing the url if it's linked from anywhere |
| 17:40.15 | AndreasLutro | you'll also have to disable your webserver's indexing feature |
| 17:40.38 | jelly | tapensuk: it depends. if you had dir_index module enabled and no explicit index file, then apache would generate an indexof all the files |
| 17:41.20 | jelly | tapensuk: however that's not a default configuration |
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| 17:42.07 | jelly | and usually web sites have an index file in DocumentRoot :-) |
| 17:42.26 | teraflops | AndreasLutro: if youre publishing / from your webserver you have greater concerns than being indexed by random search engines (imo) |
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| 17:42.47 | jelly | teraflops: it's pretty clear / is DocumentRoot in this case |
| 17:42.55 | teraflops | not for me |
| 17:43.00 | tapensuk | teraflops: lmao |
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| 17:43.30 | jelly | I see how one could read it like that |
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| 17:43.41 | teraflops | I better ask |
| 17:43.47 | jelly | tapensuk: so did you mean / of the web site, or / of the filesystem |
| 17:43.49 | tapensuk | yeah but generally you don't share that do you? :P |
| 17:44.09 | tapensuk | the / of the website, not the filesystem |
| 17:44.11 | teraflops | heh you dont |
| 17:44.24 | jelly | see, sanity restored |
| 17:44.28 | teraflops | tapensuk: right, then what jelly said |
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| 17:44.49 | tapensuk | alright, thanks |
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| 17:46.04 | tapensuk | teraflops is the kind of guy who would be described in "Real Programmers" |
| 17:46.20 | teraflops | oh noes I dont devel |
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| 17:56.54 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 17:56.55 | jelly | tapensuk: we get users with all kinds of knowledge levels in here, asking for precise information helps reduce misunderstandings and confusion |
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| 17:59.40 | frikinz | teraflops: so. after trying current, legacy 340, legacy 304, I haven't managed to get it to work. I actually now get something different, not only OpenGL related, it doesn't even start X. |
| 17:59.55 | frikinz | Model is Geforce 720M |
| 18:00.01 | teraflops | frikinz: you still are not giving useful info |
| 18:00.20 | teraflops | as in: which bloody gpu model is this :P |
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| 18:00.47 | frikinz | teraflops: Geforce 720M. Wait for the rest, CLI here :) |
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| 18:01.23 | teraflops | frikinz: optimus? |
| 18:01.30 | frikinz | teraflops: yes..... |
| 18:01.40 | frikinz | nice, gpm doesn't want to copy paste |
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| 18:01.53 | teraflops | are you using bumblebee or prime or something like that? |
| 18:02.30 | teraflops | frikinz: use pastebinit or ptpb, termbin, sprunge... |
| 18:02.42 | frikinz | teraflops: I have installed bumblebee yes. |
| 18:03.23 | frikinz | http://paste.debian.net/986674 var log Xorg.0.log |
| 18:03.55 | teraflops | frikinz:are you using nvidia from debian repos? |
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| 18:04.26 | frikinz | teraflops: yes. The same "no devices detected" for current, 304, 340 |
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| 18:04.40 | teraflops | frikinz: do you hve a custom xorg.conf? |
| 18:04.45 | teraflops | have^ |
| 18:05.08 | frikinz | http://paste.debian.net/986675 etc X11 xorg.conf |
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| 18:05.31 | teraflops | frikinz: :S |
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| 18:05.48 | teraflops | frikinz: if youre using bumblebee you are doing it r0ng |
| 18:05.55 | frikinz | after trying 340, 304, I do update-alternative --config nvidia and select the one I want to |
| 18:06.15 | teraflops | frikinz: I kindly suggest you to read bumblebee wiki |
| 18:06.17 | frikinz | teraflops: could be |
| 18:06.45 | frikinz | teraflops: do I need bumblebee ? |
| 18:06.45 | teraflops | your primary GPU is the intel one, and you dont need xorg.conf for it |
| 18:07.13 | frikinz | teraflops: so I'm supposed to prefix my commands with optirun ? |
| 18:07.41 | teraflops | frikinz: well, if you have optumis powered system you can go for bumblebee, prime, reverse prime and if youre lucky and your bios/uefi fw have a switch you can use the nvidia gpu as primary too |
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| 18:07.59 | teraflops | frikinz: nope, youre supposed to read more :) |
| 18:08.25 | teraflops | if you pick bumblebee youre using the intel one |
| 18:08.31 | frikinz | teraflops: no bios switch.. |
| 18:08.52 | teraflops | then you have to choose, bumblebee or prime |
| 18:09.12 | teraflops | bumblebee is fine, but youre doing it wrong |
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| 18:10.03 | teraflops | frikinz: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 18:12.26 | frikinz | Ok. let me try to start with nouveau rather than using w3m... |
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| 18:12.57 | frikinz | Is there a way to remove all nvidia packages? Last time I did a dpkg -l| awk ... | apt purge -y . Maybe a bit violent :) |
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| 18:14.20 | netzach | Hello |
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| 18:14.30 | netzach | I can't ping/access my local machine through it's hostname |
| 18:14.41 | netzach | I checked my routers interface and it assigns the same name through dhcp as the hostname |
| 18:14.50 | teraflops | netzach: from where? |
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| 18:15.20 | netzach | teraflops: from another PC on the same network |
| 18:15.29 | netzach | teraflops: I am trying to ping it, do I need mdns for it to work? |
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| 18:16.05 | teraflops | netzach: you cant unless you setup something for resolving names, either in your plastic router or your machines |
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| 18:16.31 | netzach | teraflops: hm interesting, what is the use of the hostname if it doesn't help identify it on the network? |
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| 18:17.29 | teraflops | you can identify machines by its hostname, but you have to set it up |
| 18:18.30 | netzach | teraflops: set it up? how? |
| 18:18.38 | netzach | is mdns a good solution? it's supposed to be zero conf distributed dns |
| 18:19.08 | ntinos | frikinz: violent is a good plan of action with nvidia |
| 18:19.21 | teraflops | use avahi, use msdns, use built-in router features (if any), use dhcp+ddns |
| 18:19.38 | teraflops | they all are well documented |
| 18:20.03 | netzach | teraflops: isn't avahi a mdns provided? |
| 18:20.10 | netzach | teraflops: might you tell me please where they are documented? |
| 18:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | netzach: For most home routers, the router will provide dhcp and dns. You might have to configure your system to ask for DNS. |
| 18:20.30 | jhutchins_wk | netzach: Start with your router's documentation. |
| 18:20.57 | netzach | jhutchins_wk: I just checked my router, I can't find anything |
| 18:21.07 | netzach | jhutchins_wk: my router provided dns but doesn't respond to hostname when I ping |
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| 18:23.31 | netzach | is it better to use apt-get or atpitude |
| 18:23.35 | netzach | ? |
| 18:23.43 | teraflops | netzach: but then you have to tell nsswitch to use it, idk how it looks by default in debian, I do not have a stretch machine at hand |
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| 18:24.26 | netzach | I knew in raspbian when I installed it on my rapsbery pi mdsns worked by default |
| 18:24.27 | netzach | after install |
| 18:24.31 | teraflops | avahi for the lazy people, if youre behind nat youll be fine |
| 18:25.06 | netzach | what do you mean for lazy people? |
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| 18:25.33 | teraflops | I meant lazy |
| 18:26.02 | netzach | but I don't understand what you mean by that, why is it lazy? what is the altenrative? |
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| 18:26.14 | netzach | I just installed avahi-daemon but it doesn't work |
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| 18:27.37 | netzach | ok my router says I have the name given my mdNS same as hostname |
| 18:27.39 | netzach | but I still can't ping |
| 18:28.02 | burdz | both apt-get and aptitude will get the job done |
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| 18:57.09 | jhutchins_wk | netzach: Tell the server you're trying to ping from where to get it's DNS resolution. |
| 18:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | Running a local DNS server doesn't do any good unless it has a source of information. |
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| 19:01.01 | Kobaz | is there an easy way to get a dhcp assigned ip only.. (do not set default gw/etc) |
| 19:01.15 | greycat | you'd have to configure that in the DHCP server |
| 19:01.29 | Kobaz | not necessarily |
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| 19:02.38 | Kobaz | i can accomplish it by editing the dhclient hooks, but i'm wondering if it reads from options files |
| 19:02.58 | Kobaz | like a more generic way of doing that versus just monkeying the app directly |
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| 19:03.25 | Kobaz | ideally a command line option for dhclient but i dont see one |
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| 19:05.33 | Kobaz | i suppose i could just replace the request line with only request subnet-mask, broadcast-address |
| 19:05.50 | greycat | You can try it. If that works, awesome. |
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| 19:07.12 | Kobaz | ah, you can pass in a config file -cf |
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| 19:07.21 | Kobaz | that's more ideal than editing the global config |
| 19:07.33 | greycat | I don't see how, but it's your computer. |
| 19:08.41 | frikinz | Hum 40mn to get back a working X. Good old nouveau :) So someone told me I have some reading to do... |
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| 19:09.10 | greycat | !nvidia |
| 19:09.10 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:09.30 | greycat | I hear very mixed reports from people about nvidia devices. |
| 19:10.07 | netzach | I always had issues with AMD myself |
| 19:10.08 | frikinz | well that's also a laptop with optimus |
| 19:10.12 | netzach | always heard Nvidia is way ahead |
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| 19:10.37 | greycat | All the machines I've used recently have none of the above. Just motherboard Intel. |
| 19:11.04 | netzach | well intel is open soruce right? |
| 19:11.07 | netzach | I mean straight from intel right? |
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| 19:11.34 | netzach | I read some crazy thing like intel has 2 completely different gpu driver team, one for linux and other for windows |
| 19:11.43 | Kobaz | yay |
| 19:12.02 | greycat | There's a firmware blob needed on some of the Intel chipsets, but not on all. |
| 19:12.05 | Kobaz | greycat: yeah, all you need is to remove the other requested items like routers,dns,etc |
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| 19:12.29 | live | hello, how can I recreate grub2 on debian 9? |
| 19:12.33 | live | reinstall |
| 19:12.42 | Kobaz | recreate? |
| 19:12.44 | Kobaz | like reinstall grub? |
| 19:12.46 | greycat | Kobaz: Good luck with that. My experience at work is removing the request item for nameservers works great. At home it DOES NOT work great, and the DHCP server gives me nameservers anyway, and dhclient overwrites resolv.conf. |
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| 19:13.17 | Kobaz | greycat: isc-dhcp-client 4.3.1-6+deb8u2 |
| 19:13.26 | Kobaz | worked exactly the way i wanted |
| 19:13.33 | liveabcd | kobaz, yes recreate |
| 19:13.47 | Kobaz | liveabcd: you're using the same word as before |
| 19:13.54 | Kobaz | reinstall grub? or something else? |
| 19:14.04 | liveabcd | yes. reinstall grub |
| 19:14.13 | liveabcd | grub is corrupted now. |
| 19:14.15 | Kobaz | do you have grub2 already installed |
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| 19:14.25 | liveabcd | not able to update grub2 |
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| 19:14.37 | liveabcd | yes. already installed. |
| 19:14.55 | Kobaz | your best bet... boot knoppix, or systemrescuecd, or anything similar |
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| 19:15.27 | Kobaz | mount your root, and pass through /dev, /sys, /proc, via -o bind |
| 19:15.44 | Kobaz | chroot to your root, grub-install /dev/XXX, unmount, and reboot, and you should be good |
| 19:15.48 | liveabcd | I am on live usb of debian 9 |
| 19:16.23 | Kobaz | that'll work as well |
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| 19:16.33 | liveabcd | please guide me |
| 19:17.26 | cha18 | Hello. is "Bug: Soft luckup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [systemd-udevd:216]" -- running a turnkey Debian-based mediawiki VM appliance. Is this possibly a result of running @ 512 MB Ram ? |
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| 19:17.48 | Kobaz | liveabcd: https://pastebin.com/AapjD2wX |
| 19:17.54 | cha18 | doesn't boot after install, gets locked after "started lsb: tune ide hard disks" then starts soft lockin' |
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| 19:18.48 | Kobaz | cha18: you're running it in a vm? |
| 19:19.21 | jhutchins_wk | !based on debian |
| 19:19.22 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:19.25 | cha18 | Yep it's in Xen. I have 2 vCPUs assigned to it and 512 |
| 19:19.43 | Kobaz | cha18: sounds like a xen/mediawiki question |
| 19:19.45 | cha18 | MB of ram. Seems like other people have problems with Turnkey appliances run in Xen, giving similar panics... |
| 19:20.06 | Kobaz | cha18: i would say, make sure you're running the latest Xen |
| 19:20.08 | cha18 | well it's on multiple turnkey appliances so yeah probably Xen or TK is doing some weird stuff. |
| 19:20.17 | jhutchins_wk | cha18: There's no quality control required to distribute appliances, some of them are not very good. |
| 19:20.33 | cha18 | hmm, I'm running Qubes 3.2 so I'm on whatever xen they're using |
| 19:20.42 | Kobaz | and probably contact this turnkey organization |
| 19:20.46 | Kobaz | and say yo, it's broke |
| 19:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | cha18: So there's really no debian involved here. |
| 19:20.53 | cha18 | Xen 4.9.35-20 |
| 19:21.02 | cha18 | Well it's a debian based appliance. x) |
| 19:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | cha18: Which is not Debian. |
| 19:21.31 | cha18 | but when you state it like that it sounds obvious that I should be in a different channel |
| 19:21.57 | Kobaz | cha18: that's about it for the troubleshooting we can do most likly... you'll get good generic debian info, but specific appliance stuff, is going to be a black box |
| 19:22.40 | liveabcd | Kobaz, it says only root can do that. |
| 19:23.08 | Kobaz | liveabcd: right... all recovery type operations assume you are root |
| 19:23.27 | liveabcd | so, what next? |
| 19:23.31 | Kobaz | become root |
| 19:23.38 | liveabcd | how? |
| 19:23.43 | Kobaz | su |
| 19:23.45 | Kobaz | or sudo su |
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| 19:23.51 | liveabcd | ok |
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| 19:24.15 | frikinz | teraflops: sudo apt-get install bumblebee primus ; optirun glxgears -info => ERROR]No bridge found. Try installing primus or virtualgl. Any idea? |
| 19:24.22 | Kobaz | you should also get some basics on linux as well: https://itsfoss.com/learn-linux-for-free/ |
| 19:24.28 | frikinz | teraflops: that worked yesterday (tm) |
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| 19:25.12 | clasic0 | alguien habla español ? |
| 19:25.17 | greycat | !es |
| 19:25.17 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 19:25.23 | liveabcd | Kobaz, live@live:~$ sudo su mount /dev/sda4 /mnt |
| 19:25.23 | clasic0 | some channel for spanish debian users ? |
| 19:25.23 | liveabcd | No passwd entry for user 'mount' |
| 19:26.02 | frikinz | liveabcd: sudo su command? not going to work |
| 19:26.02 | Kobaz | liveabcd: that's not part of the instructions |
| 19:26.13 | greycat | So stupid. |
| 19:26.23 | liveabcd | Kobaz, newbie here. |
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| 19:26.32 | liveabcd | please guide me. |
| 19:26.34 | Kobaz | liveabcd: right. i get that... follow the instructions exactly |
| 19:26.43 | liveabcd | yes. |
| 19:26.43 | greycat | Either use su, or use sudo. NOT BOTH. |
| 19:26.49 | liveabcd | ok |
| 19:26.53 | Kobaz | sudo su |
| 19:26.56 | Kobaz | then run all your commands |
| 19:27.08 | frikinz | sudo -i ? |
| 19:27.09 | greycat | You are just doing that to piss me the fuck off, right? |
| 19:27.13 | Kobaz | become root first |
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| 19:27.41 | greycat | If you want a shell, sudo -i or sudo bash. |
| 19:27.41 | clasic0 | sudo passwd |
| 19:27.55 | clasic0 | then you can change the password to the root |
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| 19:28.16 | toresbe | $ sudo su -c "sudo sudo sudo echo hello greycat" |
| 19:28.21 | clasic0 | then you can use the su command |
| 19:28.38 | n4dir | !es |
| 19:28.38 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 19:28.40 | greycat | toresbe: needs more | cat |
| 19:28.42 | jelly | !sing sussudio |
| 19:28.42 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 19:28.44 | n4dir | clasic0: |
| 19:28.54 | clasic0 | hi |
| 19:29.32 | cha18 | computers are hard, thx jhutchins_wk |
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| 19:29.50 | toresbe | $ sudo -u toresbe sudo su -c "sudo sudo sudo echo hello greycat" | sudo tee /dev/stdout | head -n1 |
| 19:29.53 | toresbe | better? |
| 19:30.14 | Kobaz | much better |
| 19:30.19 | toresbe | thx |
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| 19:32.30 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Is there somewhere that documents the reasons for not using sudo su -? |
| 19:32.51 | jelly | toresbe: how many piped tees do you need to fill a 64bit system with foos |
| 19:32.53 | clasico | some one can help me to install chrome on debian xfce please ? |
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| 19:33.03 | greycat | Do you want me to write it on a web page for you? Would that make you happier? |
| 19:33.08 | teraflops | clasico: #debian-es |
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| 19:33.20 | clasico | thanks |
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| 19:34.06 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Well, that would be nice. Blog entry or something, but I was thinking that should be documented somewhere like "don't cat|grep". |
| 19:34.11 | gnunix | Hey all! quick question. I installed Debian 9, but I want to make it look like Trisquel. Trisquel has Gnome, but the menu is at the bottom, and you can press the trisquel logo and the the "modules" come up, like kde.. help? |
| 19:34.27 | greycat | It is so fucking OBVIOUS that you shouldn't need a piece of paper telling you not to do it. |
| 19:34.42 | jelly | gnunix: best ask trisquel people which theme and plugins they use |
| 19:34.51 | greycat | If you see a quarter on the ground, you just pick it up. You don't pick it up, then drop it, then pick it up a second time. |
| 19:35.17 | gnunix | @jelly You're right, thanks! |
| 19:35.25 | gnunix | @greycat, calm down linus |
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| 19:36.04 | jhutchins_wk | gnunix: On IRC, using @ in front of a nick will prevent it from highlighting for the user. |
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| 19:36.19 | toresbe | jhutchins_wk: just... don't do it. |
| 19:36.22 | greycat | He won't be highlighting me again for the next 86400 seconds anyway. |
| 19:36.31 | gnunix | what |
| 19:36.38 | jelly | a nice round number |
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| 19:36.42 | Kobaz | greycat: what's going on? |
| 19:36.51 | toresbe | jhutchins_wk: https://pastebin.com/xx5vGt6g here's the documentation you requested |
| 19:37.56 | gnunix | why the fuck are you so fucking angry greycat |
| 19:38.04 | gnunix | I just came in here ffs |
| 19:38.41 | annadane | gnunix, i don't think they were talking to you |
| 19:38.47 | annadane | this was a previous question |
| 19:38.49 | n4dir | same thought here |
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| 19:39.03 | gnunix | I hope yeah |
| 19:39.21 | gnunix | jelly: thanks for the help, I'll go over there and ask! |
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| 19:42.48 | teraflops | iirc there are some nasty irc clients that append @ to nicknames :P |
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| 19:43.51 | greycat | Append? I've not seen that one. |
| 19:45.55 | frikinz | apt --reinstall install primus-libs did it |
| 19:46.08 | teraflops | I've seen people doig the same in other channels, and after the shitstorm about this is not twitter they said their client was appending the @ automatically |
| 19:46.45 | frikinz | there's an irssi script to prefix nicks with @ if you need :) |
| 19:47.28 | greycat | I've definitely seen prepending (like that gnu guy just a few minutes ago), but never appending. |
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| 19:48.02 | teraflops | greycat: yeah I meant prepending sorry |
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| 19:51.58 | jhutchins_wk | I believe there are several clients that allow you to specify the separator, but they default to : |
| 19:52.41 | Iridos | well, email |
| 19:52.57 | Iridos | you might have seen email |
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| 19:56.33 | dob1 | Hi, sudo systemctl start xrdp gives me Failed to start xrdp.service: Unit xrdp.service is masked. I tried systemctl enable xrdp but it doesn't work, debian jessie |
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| 19:57.13 | somiaj | dob1: you need to unmask it first. |
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| 19:57.29 | dob1 | somiaj, but why is masked? and how to do this? |
| 19:57.31 | somiaj | dob1: masking a service makes it impossible to start in any way until it is unmasked. |
| 19:57.37 | somiaj | dob1: systemctl unmask foo I belive |
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| 19:58.09 | somiaj | dob1: disabling a service only stops it from starting at boot. masking a service will stop it from starting do to hooks/triggers and manually via systemctl |
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| 19:58.36 | somiaj | dob1: seems someone masked that service in the past to stop it from running. Depending on the service disabling is not enough to stop it from running, as some services run on hooks. |
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| 19:58.52 | dob1 | somiaj, well, no, I just installed it |
| 19:58.53 | jhutchin1_wk | somiaj: Yes, unmask is correct. |
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| 19:59.23 | somiaj | it could be it is installed masked, but that seems strange, maybe it was installed in the past and systemd recalls it being masked. |
| 19:59.38 | dob1 | well to be honest, I had installed the xrdp package from backports before, but then, I used apt-get remove --purge xrdp, and then installed xrdp (the one from jessie official) and it's masked |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchin1_wk | I think it's msked because otherwise it starts with the GUI. |
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| 20:02.57 | somiaj | dob1: the systemd setting may survive the --purge, but as jhutchin1_wk mentioned, it could be masked by default due to keeping it from automatically running until the user turns it on. |
| 20:03.36 | dob1 | ok thanks |
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| 20:04.38 | mrjayribs | Hi yall! I just downloaded Debian 9 and I my wifi card seems like it has properitary components. I have a Think Pengiun WIrelesss N USB..I haven't found someone with a similar issue since Debian 6, so I didn't get much help there |
| 20:05.22 | mrjayribs | Switching over from Trisquel 8, which didn't update properly, so now I'm coming over! |
| 20:05.34 | ntinos | Debian should inform you of needed firmware during installation |
| 20:06.02 | somiaj | mrjayribs: debian will most likely require you use non-free firmware to get it to work. If you can get us the pciid of the chipset for your card, we cna help track down the firmware. lspci -nn |
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| 20:07.07 | mrjayribs | I mean I have installation already, I just used an ethernet chord. |
| 20:07.32 | somiaj | mrjayribs: the firwmware can be installed, but we need to know what chipset to tell you what package. |
| 20:07.37 | somiaj | You may also need to enable non-free |
| 20:07.39 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 20:07.39 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:07.50 | somiaj | !non-free sources |
| 20:07.50 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 20:08.19 | mrjayribs | dpkg: sweet name |
| 20:08.19 | dpkg | mrjayribs: no idea |
| 20:08.44 | somiaj | dpkg is a bot who has lots of factoids for commonly asked questions (and many uncommon ones too) |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
| 20:09.25 | mrjayribs | somiaj: woops |
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| 20:10.08 | mrjayribs | what am I looking for with lspci -nn? |
| 20:10.39 | greycat | A line that has your wireless interface. |
| 20:10.41 | n4dir | this forum comment might be of interest: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=639306#p639318 |
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| 20:11.34 | n4dir | assuming the output of lspci confirms it. Else the thread points to the documentation page of thinkpinguin. |
| 20:11.34 | mrjayribs | thanks n4dir |
| 20:11.35 | annadane | probably you can lspci -nn | grep wireless |
| 20:12.05 | mrjayribs | wow debian community is bumping :D so many helpful beings |
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| 20:13.10 | annadane | (because the output from lspci -nn is pretty verbose) |
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| 20:13.21 | greycat | It's not that verbose. |
| 20:13.46 | greycat | the -nn only adds the [aaaa:bbbb] PCI ID which is the most important thing and REALLY OUGHT to be in the default output |
| 20:13.47 | annadane | except it's grep Wireless because case sensitive |
| 20:14.23 | greycat | grep -i wireless |
| 20:14.35 | n4dir | annadane: i usually use the -i argument (? option?) for grep, to avoid at least that problem. |
| 20:14.59 | annadane | ah, cool |
| 20:15.00 | mrjayribs | I actually don't get print from your command annadane |
| 20:15.13 | annadane | well, did you try it case sensitive |
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| 20:15.22 | mrjayribs | i did |
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| 20:15.31 | annadane | ah, okay. it's possible yours doesn't say anything |
| 20:16.16 | n4dir | mrjayribs: won't hurt to post the complete output of "lspci" and paste it to paste.debian.net (or a similar site). |
| 20:17.00 | greycat | lspci -nn preferred |
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| 20:17.11 | mrjayribs | okay |
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| 20:18.18 | mrjayribs | http://paste.debian.net/986698/ |
| 20:18.43 | mrjayribs | Should I install firmware-atheros |
| 20:18.44 | mrjayribs | ? |
| 20:18.52 | annadane | mrjayribs, "03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095b] (rev 59)" |
| 20:19.19 | greycat | ,lspci 8086:095b |
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| 20:19.38 | jelly | ",pciid" |
| 20:19.45 | greycat | ,pciid 8086:095b |
| 20:19.47 | judd | [8086:095b] is 'Wireless 7265' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:095b http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 20:20.04 | jelly | firmware-iwlwifi for that one probably |
| 20:20.20 | greycat | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi says you probably need to install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:20.24 | n4dir | debian wiki seems to say so too |
| 20:20.37 | mrjayribs | wow consensus in an IRC? lovely |
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| 20:20.54 | n4dir | mrjayribs: just give it a few minutes ... |
| 20:21.00 | annadane | no! everyone is wrong! |
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| 20:21.21 | mrjayribs | :haha |
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| 20:22.23 | mrjayribs | So do I have to add Jessie's component into my source.list? Or can I just install if I included non-free? |
| 20:22.48 | greycat | dpkg non-free sources |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 20:23.50 | mrjayribs | I did this greycat, but i was wondering if I had to add "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" specifically, even though I'm on Debian 9 |
| 20:24.16 | greycat | No. |
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| 20:24.38 | mrjayribs | Okay, so stretch packages include jessies? |
| 20:24.51 | greycat | The wiki page hasn't been touched for stretch yet. |
| 20:25.26 | mrjayribs | Gotcha |
| 20:25.27 | mrjayribs | Um |
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| 20:25.48 | mrjayribs | "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 20:25.48 | mrjayribs | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" I've only got this once before... but I want to understand the problem |
| 20:25.55 | greycat | you have to be root |
| 20:25.59 | somiaj | mrjayribs: install the package from stretch, over time the firmware will be for more devices, it most liely won't stop supporting devices. |
| 20:26.49 | mrjayribs | greycat: I am |
| 20:26.53 | mrjayribs | O_O |
| 20:27.24 | cruncher | it is because something else is using it |
| 20:27.31 | RoyK | mrjayribs: ps axf|egrep apt\|dpkg |
| 20:27.33 | cruncher | otherwise you would get "permission denied" |
| 20:27.51 | RoyK | or just lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 20:28.07 | RoyK | or fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 20:28.43 | mrjayribs | Ah synpatic package manager stayed opened |
| 20:28.59 | mrjayribs | synaptic* |
| 20:29.12 | mrjayribs | ...how do I know if it works? |
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| 20:30.17 | RoyK | mrjayribs: it's probably updating something |
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| 20:31.07 | n4dir | mrjayribs: if what works? |
| 20:31.15 | mrjayribs | Wifi |
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| 20:32.00 | n4dir | back then you could do "ifconfig" and if it has shown the wireless (which was only was shown before installing the firmware with "ifconfig -a"), then it worked |
| 20:32.15 | n4dir | i am not sure how to achieve the same with "ip". Try "ip a" |
| 20:32.31 | jkkj | help |
| 20:32.39 | RoyK | !ask | jkkj |
| 20:33.00 | n4dir | mrjayribs: the other option is probably to simply open the application you use to configure wireless. |
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| 20:34.41 | n4dir | if it shows the wireless interface, then i would assume that it worked |
| 20:35.06 | greycat | How do you make w3m wrap lines so you don't have to shift the display back and forth with < and > |
| 20:35.15 | xerotor | BTW, no real questions I wanted to ask, I just wanted to put this info out there: after switching from Ubuntu 14.04 to Debian Stable (Stretch) over the past couple of days, I am in heaven!! Things work smoothly, and there's all of you guys on the IRC to help out if I faced any issues whatsoever. If any of the maintainers etc are out there, a big shoutout to all of you! :) Also, Gnome3 + Arc-Dark just makes me soooo happy :) The one big issue I had wit |
| 20:35.17 | xerotor | h the switch was moving to the "newer" nautilus (with Interactive Typeahead not existing). However, I found some patches on GitHub, and was able to modify them and get them working, and now I even have that! :) I am in bliss! Just wanted to share my happiness, that's all :) |
| 20:35.18 | mrjayribs | ...about that...I fucked up my panel by not hitting default |
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| 20:36.22 | mrjayribs | xerotor: I totally agree! I just switch from Trisquel and this runs very smoothly. I def need help with certain things |
| 20:36.28 | n4dir | which environment ? |
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| 20:37.06 | mrjayribs | XFCE |
| 20:37.27 | mrjayribs | idk what I was thinking..I remember using it 3 years ago and thought it would be similar. IT's NOT |
| 20:38.56 | n4dir | open the menu, go to the part which does configuring, and just add a panel? |
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| 20:39.52 | n4dir | perhaps if you rm ~/config/xfce4 ; you will be asked again. not sure |
| 20:40.41 | mrjayribs | well I have a panel it's just ugly as shit and I don't see "WaveLan" thing doesn't work... |
| 20:40.47 | mrjayribs | brb imma test my wifi |
| 20:41.48 | mrjayribs | ... |
| 20:41.48 | mrjayribs | wait does this work? |
| 20:41.48 | mrjayribs | hello? |
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| 20:42.29 | greycat | testing with a private message to a bot, like "/msg dpkg help", would be preferred over spamming a large public channel |
| 20:43.40 | mrjayribs | greycat: Thank you for the advice! |
| 20:43.50 | mrjayribs | but yeah I didn't get it to work |
| 20:43.52 | mrjayribs | :'( |
| 20:43.59 | mrjayribs | How do I know the firmware helped? |
| 20:44.21 | mrjayribs | or not helped, but installed properly |
| 20:44.24 | mrjayribs | *worked |
| 20:44.30 | towo-vm | have you rebootet your system? |
| 20:44.38 | towo-vm | after installing the firmware? |
| 20:44.58 | towo-vm | at minimum, the kernelmodule needs to bee reloaded after installing the firmware |
| 20:45.04 | somiaj | you ether need to reboot your system (easiest) or unload and reload the module for the wifi card |
| 20:45.45 | mrjayribs | ..no good call. |
| 20:45.49 | mrjayribs | see you soon <3 |
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| 20:50.26 | mrjayribs | Hmm it didn't seem to work |
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| 20:51.51 | mrjayribs | greycat, jelly, annadane, etc. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.54 | greycat | mrjayribs: what does "didn't seem to work" mean, exactly? Is the interface visible in "ip a" output? |
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| 20:58.02 | mrjayribs | http://paste.debian.net/986705/ |
| 20:58.08 | mrjayribs | There is! |
| 20:58.26 | mrjayribs | but I don't see any connections |
| 20:58.53 | greycat | Huh, two of them. I don't know much about wireless, though. |
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| 20:59.10 | mrjayribs | Perhaps it picked up on my actualy wifi card |
| 20:59.33 | greycat | It found two things. If you have two wireless interfaces, then it found both. |
| 21:00.00 | mrjayribs | well that's pretty cool |
| 21:00.01 | mrjayribs | lucky me |
| 21:00.58 | mrjayribs | why don't either of them show me somewhere to connect though? |
| 21:01.39 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea how to use wireless interfaces in Linux. Usually when you start trying to find docs on it, they talk about Desktop Environments. |
| 21:02.04 | wingman2 | petn-randall: jessie -> stretch, that is if it did wipe it, wait hum it might not have |
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| 21:02.38 | wingman2 | bbl |
| 21:02.38 | greycat | You got yours to show up, which is a good first step. I don't know why yours say NO-CARRIER. I don't know whether that's a problem or not. I don't know what commands you have to run to make them authenticate and start making electromagnetic frequency noises. |
| 21:03.09 | mrjayribs | greycat: that made me laugh |
| 21:03.45 | greycat | (My desktop box at home has a wireless interface, but I do not use it. It has state "BROADCAST,MULTICAST". |
| 21:03.46 | mrjayribs | do MAGIC! :) jk I really appreciate your help, time, effort, attnetion |
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| 21:04.31 | netzach | man I am afraid that in the future |
| 21:04.44 | netzach | with the cpu enclaves and the like, I mean iphones have them, AMD and Intel hvae them |
| 21:04.48 | netzach | in the future DRM will be unbeatable |
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| 21:04.53 | n4dir | gotta say: i for one never understood the default graphical tool to connect wireless either. I use wicd-gtk instead, but i think it is out of date |
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| 21:04.59 | netzach | anyway how do I set arc_max_please |
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| 21:05.30 | greycat | Why is it a *graphical* tool at all? |
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| 21:05.33 | mrjayribs | n4dir: i enjoy what ever works |
| 21:06.01 | n4dir | greycat: i tried to figure out the non-gui way to do it. I didn't get it working |
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| 21:06.15 | greycat | I never even attempted it. |
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| 21:06.27 | n4dir | it is possible, that's for sure. |
| 21:06.57 | wingman2 | petn-randall: meh i might have forgotten to update the list of modules for the new kernel |
| 21:07.42 | n4dir | mrjayribs: like said, pretty much anyone says wicd is out of date. You might want to ask again and hope someone good with network-manager (right name?) will give you a hand |
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| 21:10.06 | mrjayribs | Does it search for wifi though ? what if I go coffee shop or something? |
| 21:10.42 | greycat | There's https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse but I've never tried it. |
| 21:11.07 | n4dir | as far network-manager is concerned: no clue what it does. wicd-gtk scanns for all wireless signals it can see. Then you pick the one you want |
| 21:12.48 | mrjayribs | fancy |
| 21:12.51 | mrjayribs | I like it |
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| 21:13.33 | n4dir | wicd? |
| 21:13.38 | mrjayribs | mmhm |
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| 21:14.48 | frikinz | I'm running network-manager in kde just fine. I resisted years before using a gui. until once I reinstalled and wifi worked out of the box before I had the time to open an xterm |
| 21:15.33 | teraflops | nm has a tui too. very reliable is you ask me |
| 21:16.41 | frikinz | teraflops: btw, problem solved for bumblebee. with nouveau it didn't work but with latest nvidia from stable it does. thanks for your help as usual |
| 21:17.07 | frikinz | although I still get 3.9 FPS in unigine, the same as with the IGC |
| 21:17.23 | teraflops | frikinz: np. glad you got it working |
| 21:17.45 | frikinz | unigine is a beast to benchmark graphic cards. worth a try |
| 21:17.53 | teraflops | frikinz: iirc 740m sucks a lot |
| 21:18.29 | frikinz | 720m :) yeah it does but I still thinks something is weird that I don't get better perf than with the IGC. |
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| 21:19.11 | frikinz | also the debian wiki is much clearer than others. I liked the warning about not doing exactly what I had done. |
| 21:19.49 | teraflops | yeah I recall reading somewhere that the igpu (Intel one) has similar performance. depending on the model obv |
| 21:20.42 | teraflops | frikinz: you may want to try reverse prime. |
| 21:20.59 | teraflops | then you have nvidia as primary gpu |
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| 21:21.43 | teraflops | you get performance boost at least regarding fps |
| 21:22.13 | teraflops | also battery depleted ;P |
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| 21:24.47 | frikinz | I just changed my battery on this asus. So it might be the right moment to try that :) |
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| 21:26.00 | frikinz | Note to self: do not _ever_ try to install driver from nvidia. |
| 21:26.12 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 21:26.12 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:27.56 | teraflops | frikinz: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Disabling_switchable_graphics |
| 21:29.34 | frikinz | No switch in bios. Might try fully power down Discrete GPU |
| 21:29.40 | tw | An annoying problem I've seen with optimus is some displays are only attached to one or the other device. Most often, the external on the discrete, internal on integrated. |
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| 21:30.44 | teraflops | frikinz: tw indeed |
| 21:31.08 | teraflops | and if youre lucky you have all attached to the intel gpu |
| 21:31.19 | tw | That's the best case. |
| 21:31.39 | teraflops | frikinz: install bbswitch, it will take care of powering off the discrete gpu |
| 21:32.28 | frikinz | teraflops: yes I have it already bbswitch-dkms |
| 21:32.50 | frikinz | oh now my desktop is actually using the nvidia :) |
| 21:33.09 | teraflops | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup |
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| 21:39.31 | tw | I'd like to use prime/bumblebee on my desktop, but the igpu doesn't handle 2560x1600 over dl-dvi. |
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| 21:52.22 | awal1 | is there any theme similar to galaxy style used by libreoffice? |
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| 22:02.44 | frikinz | I'll still have to find out why vblank_mode=0 glxgears gives me 1000 FPS using the discrete while it gives me 8300 FPS with the integrated :/ |
| 22:02.48 | frikinz | ahah |
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| 22:29.19 | foul_owl | Is there an ad blocker that actually downloads the ad but just dumps it to /dev/null? I'm sick of sites that I pay for deciding to run ads also and detecting I'm using an ad blocker |
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| 22:43.03 | annadane | foul_owl, well, ublock origin has an anti-adblock killer |
| 22:43.06 | annadane | in 3rd party filters |
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| 22:49.55 | foul_owl | Oh awesome |
| 22:50.02 | foul_owl | This one? https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock |
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| 22:54.37 | annadane | foul_owl, ublock origin |
| 22:55.04 | annadane | foul_owl, https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ |
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| 22:59.23 | foul_owl | Gotcha |
| 22:59.24 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
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| 23:03.16 | nnyby | has anyone here experienced a problem where a laptop's touchpad stops working after its keyboard is used? |
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| 23:06.26 | aloo_shu | nnyby there are a few tools that block the touchpad for a time when typing, to prevent accidental input from the thumbs. this varies with desktop environment, but should be configurable through settings |
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| 23:07.52 | nnyby | i'm aware of that, but after typing a few times, the trackpad stops working completely |
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| 23:13.51 | aloo_shu | nnyby no idea really, keep asking. I have a packard bell where there are touch fields for such things as wifi enable/disable, and also touchpad disable. It took me quite a time to figure that it was possible to accidentally hit that |
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| 23:31.02 | fearnothing | what's the command to reload autocompletion for something just added to $PATH? |
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| 23:40.00 | well_laid_lawn | fearnothing: you source the file you edited |
| 23:40.12 | well_laid_lawn | source .bashrc for example |
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