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| 00:13.32 | rsv | I tried reading some manpages but couldn't find out how to show all available packages that has a name and/or description matching some string |
| 00:14.10 | rsv | dpkg-query -l doesn't seem to show everything there is, apt search seems to search so broadly that most results aren't at all relevant |
| 00:15.55 | rsv | if I do apt search 'libreoffice*' the first result is bibus, that is surely related to libreoffice, but contains no "libreoffice" anywhere in its title or description |
| 00:16.18 | rsv | there's also lots of fonts and dictionaries |
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| 00:20.55 | rsv | Oh, apt-cache pkgnames seems to do what I want at least for package names |
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| 00:30.02 | rsv | ok, so apt-cache pkgnames just actually lists names. Is there any other command I could pipe that to get a list that includes packages' descriptions and if they're installed (those are the essential ones, but more information than that is good too) |
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| 00:39.11 | dvs | rsv, dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:42.54 | rsv | dvs thanks! |
| 00:43.42 | dvs | np |
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| 00:46.45 | rsv | I don't quite understand why "apt search" shows such irrelevant results, how exactly is it performing this search? man pages and quick googling didn't help |
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| 00:47.04 | rsv | (I also looked at apt-cache's man page) |
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| 00:55.08 | rsv | So, I've been purging instead of removing pretty much everything, but that seems to make those packages not show by default in some tools, according to man pages (I think at least dpkg-query does this) |
| 00:55.28 | rsv | Is there anyway to "unmark" those packages as purged? |
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| 00:56.40 | rsv | No, in fact, what I need is some good documentation on debian package management, like, for users, that covers a bit more than the basics. |
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| 01:17.03 | somiaj | rsv: care to be a little clear, your are purging things but then packages not show in some tools? What packages and what tools are you expecting to see? |
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| 01:18.55 | rsv | somiaj, I didn't actually notice the behavior, just something I skimmed from manpages I was looking at for a different thing |
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| 01:20.04 | somiaj | I am not clear what it is you are trying to express. But the difference between puring a package and removing a package is only if config files are left on your system, which are controled by debconf. |
| 01:20.11 | somiaj | care to clarify your question a bit? |
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| 01:23.53 | rsv | somiaj, if that is the only difference than I just misunderstood something. Thank you for your time, though. I also couldn't find what I read that gave me the idea, so I guess I was just mistaken |
| 01:25.02 | somiaj | rsv: there are some subtilies about this, but yes, the difference is all about config files. Removing a package won't remove the config files. |
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| 01:25.31 | benaiah | I'm trying to reload a USB soundcard I inadvertently unplugged without restarting. Any alsactl commands only recognize my onboard soundcard, and the "alsa force-reload" command I see normally recommended results in "bash: alsa: command not found" on my system. I can't find any package that has a CLI tool named "alsa", either. How do I get the "alsa" command so I can force it to reload? |
| 01:25.39 | benaiah | I'm on debian testing |
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| 02:00.16 | Tom-_ | benaiah, still here? maybe try service alsa force-reload |
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| 02:01.51 | benaiah | I get "Unit alsa.service not found" when running that |
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| 02:27.39 | Tom-_ | i thought the problem of hot-plugging usb sound cards was supposed to be solved by systemd/pulseaudio/all its ilk |
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| 02:27.41 | simbalion | Can anyone say if they've had good results running the NVIDIA driver version 384.69 from the NVIDIA website in stretch? |
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| 02:28.52 | Tom-_ | benaiah, this isn't your fault |
| 02:28.52 | Tom-_ | you can try /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 02:28.52 | Tom-_ | i really don't know |
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| 02:29.31 | annadane | wifilizerd, you posted in the channel by mistake; change your password |
| 02:30.15 | annadane | simbalion, you should install from the repository and not from the nvidia website |
| 02:30.34 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 02:30.34 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:30.35 | wifilizerd | thank annadane will do |
| 02:30.35 | benaiah | I think it was a power issue. dmesg was outputting that it was unable to enumerate the device, and switching it to a USB port on my monitor made hotplugging work |
| 02:30.39 | annadane | simbalion, ^ |
| 02:30.57 | simbalion | annadane: Thanks but I'm trying to get DX11 working in WoW and I think running the latest driver might be required |
| 02:31.08 | benaiah | so I think the power draw was bigger than the USB port on the laptop was OK with, as it's powering a card, a mic, and headphones |
| 02:31.37 | benaiah | thanks everybody who tried to help out with this. weird issue. |
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| 03:09.40 | AndChat237204 | I really need help getting Jessie back up and running. I tried using my rooted android to make a bootable usb and wipe out my win7 partition and start fresh with kde but my phone says I corrupted my SD card and I cannot continue because it's a 64 gb card packed with really important stuff. |
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| 03:12.06 | tw | You have 0 bootable PCs right now and no live-usbs or livecds? Phone a friend and have them make you a usb installer. |
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| 03:24.05 | AndChat237204 | An outside pc is not an option. I have 2 hard drives that have multiple os. Kali and Debian. But they both have issues and I don't know enough about Linux yet to solve it. One won't let me login to gui using anything other than root because a .log file was becoming too large or something. |
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| 03:30.15 | AndChat237204 | <tw> I can't use irc well. I sent you my issue above. |
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| 03:32.08 | Muyfret | how do i make it so if x-term is launched, my network is disconnected, and if its not open, network is restored |
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| 03:35.52 | AndChat237204 | help |
| 03:36.10 | Muyfret | you're on android i take it |
| 03:36.22 | Muyfret | what's wrong AndChat |
| 03:36.26 | AndChat237204 | Yes. Ressurection remix rooted |
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| 03:38.06 | AndChat237204 | Nothing. Im trying to at least boot win7 then use my Android to transfer the Debian iso to flash. I learned on Windows and I hate because I discovered open source. There must be a way to eliminate this monopolization. Why doesn't Rufus make an Android/Linux version. |
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| 03:40.37 | tw | win32diskimager can write the iso to a flash USB. you can google the command for usb host on rooted android, but odds are you're going to break something irreplaceable there, so I don't advise it. |
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| 03:44.07 | tw | And really off topic, iirc android's usb host comes in two varieties, OS-controlled, and usb host API. If you want to grab it through the android API, you have to specify a device filter in the android manifest; this uses specific vendor and device IDs (maybe can be wildcarded, but I've never seen that). |
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| 03:44.37 | tw | So you can't make an app compatible with all MSDs, but you could make one compatible with a specific device. |
| 03:46.39 | tw | oh, my bad, just found the one for class/subclass, ignore me. There probably is one. |
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| 03:54.08 | AndChat237204 | I managed to use a USB win7 bootable I had. And used my kde dist iso and Rufus to do this. |
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| 03:55.21 | AndChat237204 | What a joke though. I don't want to always have a win partition for stuff that can't be done other ways. I guess I'll set up a seperate recovery windows drive. |
| 03:56.09 | tw | you can do it in linux if it's bootable. hybrid isos can dd'd to a usb disk directly. |
| 03:56.34 | AndChat237204 | Can I use dd on a terminal emulator though? |
| 03:56.45 | AndChat237204 | On my phone I mean. |
| 03:57.09 | tw | probably, it's in toybox, but like I said, it's really easy to mangle. |
| 03:57.33 | tw | If you specify the wrong partition, your phone is probably in need of recovery itself. |
| 03:58.03 | tw | or you just lost 64gb of critical data after blowing away a partition table |
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| 03:59.41 | AndChat237204 | Yes. I just setup my office how I want it. So I'mma back up my phone and all hard drives and then have some fun. I love this irc for this. Next time we chat will be through hexchat on kde. I have lots of questions to keep yous up :-) |
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| 04:02.58 | AndChat237204 | If I can get roms and root my Android and android runs a Linux kernel, why doesn't Debian create a Debian rom. |
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| 04:09.20 | lordarkmemo | hi, i have jessie installed. Should i upgrade to 9 or made a fresh install? |
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| 04:11.05 | AndChat237204 | Oh wow. There's an upgrade after jessie now :-) that's good. My ex was named Jess. I have upgraded in more ways than one. LMFAO. Thanks Debian :-) |
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| 04:13.50 | AndChat237204 | apt-get dist-upgrade should save you time and hassle with backups. |
| 04:13.54 | AndChat237204 | Maybe. |
| 04:14.54 | burdz | I just updated and went very smoothly plus saved a bunch of time |
| 04:15.19 | burdz | upgraded I should say |
| 04:17.41 | lordarkmemo | i dist-ugprade but nothing happens. Still in jessi |
| 04:17.51 | lordarkmemo | what should i do? |
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| 04:18.19 | lordarkmemo | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.9 (jessie) |
| 04:18.19 | lordarkmemo | Release:8.9 |
| 04:18.19 | lordarkmemo | Codename:jessie |
| 04:19.13 | burdz | probably need to update your sources `sed -i 's/jessie/stretch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list` |
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| 04:22.00 | lordarkmemo | burdz is good to upgrade or is better a fresh install. Debian is a rolling distro? |
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| 04:25.19 | burdz | @lordarkmemo afaik debian is not rolling release as at some point only bugfixes are applied. debian will upgrade to 9 just fine if you want to keep everything on your machine how it is |
| 04:25.44 | AndChat237204 | I managed to boot with a kde live usb. I think I figured the default password is "live" but it says "cannot start kmserver"??? |
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| 04:28.12 | AndChat237204 | Nevermind. I logged in with a live usb to the kde desktop. Where do I go to install. There used to be an icon? |
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| 05:00.04 | dirgeable | hi! is there a way to group processes of the same type in top or a similar program? I want to see how much memory things with multiple processes like apache are takign up |
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| 05:23.53 | foul_owl | Does anyone know the preseed option to tell the installer to install the bootloader to /dev/sda? |
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| 05:28.47 | |N| | what is the name of the gnome extension tht comes pre installed with firefox shipped by debian? |
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| 05:30.35 | foul_owl | Sorry, I recind my question in favor of another one: where is the installer mounted? ie, if I have a late command to copy my ansible playbooks to my new system, should it be: cp /cdrom/ansible.tar.gz /target/root ? |
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| 05:32.47 | somiaj | foul_owl: /target is where the installer mounts the install location |
| 05:33.08 | somiaj | foul_owl: so yes, if you want it /root, that is the command to do so |
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| 05:33.52 | |N| | can anyone tell me the name of the gnome extension? |
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| 05:34.04 | |N| | which comes with firefox |
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| 05:35.22 | Arahael | |N|: Maybe it's this one? https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShellIntegrationForChrome |
| 05:35.46 | |N| | yes |
| 05:36.07 | Arahael | What does it do, incidentially? |
| 05:36.11 | Arahael | isn't a Gnome user. |
| 05:36.20 | foul_owl | What is the source though? |
| 05:36.34 | foul_owl | Ie, I repacked the iso with my tarball, where does it live during the install? |
| 05:36.35 | |N| | thanks Arahael |
| 05:36.42 | foul_owl | In /cdrom? Or elsewhere perhaps? |
| 05:37.03 | Arahael | |N|: I literally searched for "gnome extension firefox", btw. :) |
| 05:37.42 | |N| | yes,im downloading stuff and my net is slow and my wifi isnt working so tethering from my sim |
| 05:37.55 | Arahael | |N|: I am also tethering, and doing a backup. :) |
| 05:38.09 | |N| | :D |
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| 05:39.41 | Arahael | Just got a nice little backup system going: Abusing a "free" adsl modem, as a wifi router, disabling it's dhcp, and setting up a debian server to do everything. :) |
| 05:39.52 | Arahael | Shuttle XS35V2. :) |
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| 05:44.32 | Arahael | wonders if there's anything he can do to make the network a bit more efficient - particularly with internet access. |
| 05:44.53 | Arahael | HTTPS really makes it difficult to optimise that. It's a case of encryption *or* caching, by the sounds of things. |
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| 06:01.21 | AndChat237204 | Heya. What happened to Debian Jessie and why is 9.? So different. |
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| 06:02.16 | AndChat237204 | It's being retarded straight out of the box. Could not start kmserver when I switch back from root tty to use tty. |
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| 06:04.07 | jelly | AndChat237204: what is kmserver? What's the output? |
| 06:04.10 | jelly | !ask |
| 06:04.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:04.36 | AndChat237204 | It's a gui output. Just a little box in the top left. Fresh install |
| 06:05.16 | AndChat237204 | Can I still download a Jessie kde full iso and not upgrade. |
| 06:05.18 | jelly | where did you get kmserver from |
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| 06:05.57 | AndChat237204 | I don't know what kmserver is. The same error used to be xserver. |
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| 06:07.19 | jelly | AndChat237204: can you try creating a fresh new user and see if it happens with that user as well |
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| 06:08.04 | jelly | assuming it's some part of your desktop environment that goes wrong |
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| 06:08.52 | AndChat237204 | It was a super huge .log file that used to crash my user accounts before. I would have to log in as root and delete the file |
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| 06:08.58 | AndChat237204 | Every so often. |
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| 06:10.58 | AndChat237204 | Like, my repositories keep pointing to cdrom. I havent used a compact disc in years. Why is Debian so different now? |
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| 06:11.17 | AndChat237204 | My sources clearly lists http repos |
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| 06:12.29 | AndChat237204 | Any links for Jessie kde iso?? |
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| 06:12.53 | jelly | AndChat237204: they also list a single cdrom entry left over from your installation media, that has not changed in years |
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| 06:13.04 | jelly | you can just comment it out |
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| 06:13.44 | jelly | !install jessie |
| 06:13.44 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" installation images are available from https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ . Note that this release has been superseded by Debian 9 "Stretch", ask me about <install debian>. |
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| 06:16.43 | AndChat237204 | Thank you. I erased windows to install 9.1 |
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| 06:17.09 | AndChat237204 | Instead of redoing windows to use rufus can I use dd still? |
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| 06:17.53 | jelly | cp is a bit more safe than dd |
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| 06:21.57 | AndChat237204 | Cp just the raw iso? |
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| 06:31.42 | jelly | AndChat237204: yes, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 06:32.36 | jelly | unetbootin, rufus and similar just make the installer confused and sometimes not work correctly |
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| 06:34.39 | AndChat237204 | Weird. It works no other way for. I like Debian the most but try other dists for fun and dd messes up more than anything. I usually keep a win7 partition just for Rufus. |
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| 07:13.17 | nidhoegger | Hi. I have a small problem: I have a Dell Latitude 7350. If I do a normal installation of debian, everything works fine. If I encrypt the whole volume in the installer (Select: Use complete harddrive with encryption in partitioning) GRUB wont be installed (it even does not ask me to install grub) |
| 07:13.35 | nidhoegger | is there any workaround? I have tried booting into recovery via live CD and do the grub-install myself |
| 07:13.38 | nidhoegger | but without any success |
| 07:13.54 | nidhoegger | I boot the Live CD in UEFI mode and boot using UEFI with secure boot turned off |
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| 07:56.01 | AndChat237204 | Why does apt keep asking me for a CD |
| 07:56.28 | abff | apt maintains a sources list which it searches for packages |
| 07:56.29 | AndChat237204 | Onna fresh install. Of kde. It's asking me for xfce cd packages. |
| 07:56.34 | rozie | because you have entries in sources list, probably |
| 07:56.36 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 07:56.37 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 07:56.56 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: Can you provide the infos above in a single paste? ^^^^ |
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| 07:57.40 | AndChat237204 | Im doin this on my phone. |
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| 07:58.39 | AndChat237204 | Apt-get install vlc |
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| 07:59.31 | AndChat237204 | Media change it says. |
| 08:00.07 | AndChat237204 | Do I comment out all cd repos. I have to log in as root on another tty and that makes it crash. |
| 08:00.27 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: You're doing what on your phone? |
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| 08:01.32 | AndChat237204 | Talking to you. So I can't paste nothing. Once I switch from root tty to user tty I get a kmserver error. Fuck sakes. |
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| 08:02.26 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: There's not much we can help if you can't show us any output. Too much guesswork involved. |
| 08:02.43 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: I'm guessing that there's still a 'cdrom:' line in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 08:03.16 | AndChat237204 | I'll tag them all out in source list and reboot. |
| 08:03.46 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: But from the sounds of it your installation is corrupted anyway if switching VTs makes the server crash. |
| 08:04.00 | alocer | AndChat237204: are you installing debian or you have already installed debian |
| 08:04.03 | alocer | ? |
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| 08:04.13 | alocer | which one ? |
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| 08:05.47 | AndChat237204 | I dug up an old terabyte and started fresh install. It has xfce all over the cdrom sorces and im using kde. So. Idk. I just want Jessie back. |
| 08:06.21 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: Which distro is this really? Debian has no concept of different DEs, they're all in one repository. |
| 08:06.28 | petn-randall | Kali/Ubuntu maybe? |
| 08:07.49 | alocer | petn-randall: maybe he downloaded the live iso ? |
| 08:08.45 | petn-randall | AndChat237204: Alternatively just tell us the exact filename of the iso you downloaded. |
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| 08:12.52 | AndChat237204 | It was a net inst. I selected kde. It was Debian 9.1 |
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| 08:15.20 | AndChat237204 | I want to use "debian-8.9.0-amd64netinst.iso |
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| 08:15.44 | themill | Doesn't sound much like Debian 9.1 |
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| 08:16.49 | AndChat237204 | I have it downloaded. I need to dd or cp it from / to /Dev/sdd |
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| 08:18.40 | AndChat237204 | I used to be able to right click and copy location for the terminal. Because no drag and drop. This is dumb. |
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| 08:23.45 | themill | If you want help, you have to give people us a fighting chance. |
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| 08:29.44 | AndChat237204 | Ok. I have the 8.9 iso I want. Im logged in as user on 9.1 how do I use dd to make a new bootable USB with 8.9 Jessie file on it? |
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| 08:29.59 | c-101 | Hello there |
| 08:30.12 | c-101 | Is there any reason to keep kdepim in debian stuck at 16.04 ? |
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| 08:32.14 | themill | AndChat237204: you'd use cp |
| 08:32.20 | themill | c-101: which release? |
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| 08:34.14 | c-101 | all of them |
| 08:34.18 | c-101 | even unstable has 16.04 |
| 08:34.27 | themill | yes, but the reasons are different |
| 08:34.29 | c-101 | which is more than 1 year and a half old |
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| 08:34.37 | c-101 | unstable, for example |
| 08:34.50 | themill | a newer kmail is in the NEW queue atm |
| 08:35.05 | c-101 | praise the lord! |
| 08:35.08 | c-101 | :D |
| 08:35.18 | c-101 | where can one take a look at that queue ? |
| 08:35.22 | themill | uploading it required a newer Qt and a newer Kf5 and a newer HTML renderer all of which had lots of problems |
| 08:35.33 | themill | the work is unlikely to be complete |
| 08:36.35 | themill | https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 08:36.57 | c-101 | themill: thank you |
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| 08:40.40 | themill | that the uploads are targeted at experimental more or less means they are unlikely to be something you want to go anywhere near any time soon |
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| 08:41.10 | themill | (then again, that's been a sad trend with kdepim for the last 7 or 8 years) |
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| 08:48.58 | c-101 | nah... i've been using experimental before |
| 08:49.07 | c-101 | and i am used to tinkering with kde and debian |
| 08:49.23 | c-101 | Wonder if i should contribute :/ |
| 08:49.44 | c-101 | i suppose the info to contribute is in the qt-kde-mantainers web, isn't it ? |
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| 08:57.57 | surfer__ | Is possible to install an old version of a software? |
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| 09:00.23 | jolt | surfer__: Sure, as long as the dependencies are somewhat compatible |
| 09:00.43 | surfer__ | I need the old version of sfdisk |
| 09:01.01 | colo-work | hm, why? what can't the new release do? |
| 09:01.02 | surfer__ | Because is compliant with my scripts |
| 09:01.23 | surfer__ | If I run my scripts now I get some error |
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| 09:01.49 | colo-work | it's probably better and more forward-thinking to adapt your scripts |
| 09:02.10 | colo-work | since the new sfdisk version probably has more of a future than your old release |
| 09:02.23 | surfer__ | I prefer to install the old version of sfdisk |
| 09:02.24 | petn-randall | surfer__: I agree with colo-work that you should update your scripts instead. It's probably less work, too. |
| 09:02.40 | petn-randall | !apt pinning |
| 09:02.54 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg. |
| 09:03.54 | petn-randall | !pinning |
| 09:03.55 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 09:19.08 | surfer__ | Apt-get remove sfdisk |
| 09:19.14 | surfer__ | Does not work |
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| 09:19.20 | surfer__ | But sfdisk is still here |
| 09:19.34 | colo-work | sfdisk is part of the util-linux package |
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| 09:20.07 | surfer__ | So if I remove it, I will remove any other objects? |
| 09:20.12 | colo-work | sure. |
| 09:20.18 | colo-work | also, [11:01:49] <colo-work> it's probably better and more forward-thinking to adapt your scripts |
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| 10:33.39 | Mattx | Hi all! I'm trying to copy some files through ssh (with "ProxyCommand ssh foo -W %h:%p"), but it's stuck at "debug1: Sending command: scp -v -t " |
| 10:33.42 | Mattx | Any idea? |
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| 10:36.39 | colo-work | Mattx, try setting in your proxycommand ssh invocation -oBatchMode=yes |
| 10:36.52 | Mattx | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b9b8fdca743495d2a45f03bab12d1e4b |
| 10:36.57 | Mattx | this is the config and the log ^ |
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| 10:38.24 | Mattx | same, colo-work |
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| 10:38.31 | Mattx | "Entering interactive session." |
| 10:38.43 | Mattx | is that ok? this shouldn't be interactive. maybe it's waiting for input? |
| 10:38.54 | colo-work | that's what BatchMode=yes is supposed to avoid |
| 10:39.04 | colo-work | (at least as far as the ssh client itself is concerned) |
| 10:39.18 | Mattx | but it's still being interactive |
| 10:39.21 | Mattx | same log as before |
| 10:40.27 | Mattx | ProxyCommand ssh host3 -oBatchMode=yes -W %h:%p ... ProxyCommand ssh host2 -oBatchMode=yes -W %h:%p |
| 10:43.49 | colo-work | Mattx, does the ProxyCommand succeed if you run it on its own? |
| 10:44.10 | Mattx | if I do ssh host3? yes |
| 10:44.57 | colo-work | is "scp ..." the top-level command that executes your proxycommand? |
| 10:45.33 | Mattx | what do you mean? I'm doing "scp -v file host3:/...". So I guess the answer is yes? |
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| 10:45.58 | colo-work | yes, that's what I was trying to find out |
| 10:46.14 | colo-work | can you try invoking scp with "-o BatchMode=yes", too? |
| 10:46.22 | Mattx | sure, one sec |
| 10:47.10 | Mattx | I'm still getting "Entering interactive session." |
| 10:47.25 | Mattx | and it's stuck at the same place, "sending command scp -v -t /..." |
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| 10:50.36 | Mattx | colo-work, any other suggestion? |
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| 10:52.27 | colo-work | Mattx, I'm afraid not. does the remote site have scp installed in working condition? |
| 10:52.45 | Mattx | well, I guess so? interesting question, I'll check |
| 10:53.04 | Mattx | (I also tried with rsync) |
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| 10:54.59 | Mattx | ah, interesting. I can do scp to host2, but not host3 |
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| 10:55.42 | Mattx | that could still be due to the "interactive" issue, or something else |
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| 10:56.08 | Mattx | on host3 I do have "scp" as a command |
| 10:58.06 | tw | can you read the sshd log on host3? |
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| 11:00.00 | tw | and when all else fails, there's always zmodem |
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| 11:09.40 | tx | Hey lads |
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| 11:09.58 | tx | how would one install debug symbols for qt5 and plasma-workspace? |
| 11:10.10 | tx | I see some dsyms for qt4, but not 5. |
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| 11:14.24 | Mattx | look. maybe you get an idea with this: I can do ssh to host2 and host3, no problem with that. I can do scp to host2, but not host3. and now I checked and I can do scp from host2 to host3 |
| 11:14.59 | Mattx | the only thing that doesn't work is scp from my laptop directly to host3 |
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| 11:15.09 | Mattx | but it's not a problem in scp in host3, since from host2 it works fine |
| 11:15.17 | Mattx | Any suggestion? |
| 11:15.36 | Mattx | tx, I don't have permissions to read sshd log |
| 11:16.21 | tx | Mattx: get verbose output with -v |
| 11:16.34 | Mattx | I did, I pasted it above |
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| 11:16.56 | Mattx | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b9b8fdca743495d2a45f03bab12d1e4b |
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| 11:17.33 | tx | is that all of the output? |
| 11:17.35 | Mattx | that's the config on my laptop, and the output I'm getting after authenticating on host3 |
| 11:17.46 | Mattx | one sec, I'm pasting the rest |
| 11:18.31 | tw | can always add more vs, like -vvv |
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| 11:19.04 | tw | "remote: forced command" |
| 11:19.19 | tw | remote server config is executing some program on your behalf instead of a shell. |
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| 11:19.55 | abrotman | comes late, asks about iptables or hosts.allow/deny |
| 11:20.21 | gunman1982 | greetings if I have a question/problem in regards to Debian SID can I ask here or rather somewhere else? |
| 11:20.37 | Mattx | tw, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/797c1202d7ba12fd08f3f4764e0b3822 |
| 11:20.45 | Mattx | tw, that is the whole log with -vvv |
| 11:20.57 | babilen | gunman1982: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:21.16 | gunman1982 | babilen, thank you :) |
| 11:21.40 | Mattx | err, here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9485536b7ec7f7f15ce5336caa7faa7f |
| 11:23.06 | tw | hmm, possibly version mismatch with scp. Never seen that before though, so it's low probability. |
| 11:24.23 | Mattx | <tw> remote server config is executing some program on your behalf instead of a shell. |
| 11:24.28 | Mattx | how do I check this ^? |
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| 11:25.47 | tw | you'd need to be able to read /etc/ssh/sshd_config and check for forcedcommand |
| 11:27.02 | tw | But it seems like it is getting to the point where you can exec scp, so that may not be relevant. |
| 11:28.06 | Mattx | so don't know :| |
| 11:28.18 | tw | contact sysadmin for that system? |
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| 11:28.44 | Mattx | it's probably an issue on host2 right? |
| 11:29.22 | tw | Only the host3 sshd logs are going to help you. |
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| 11:29.54 | Mattx | but isn't it weird I can do scp from host2 to host3? |
| 11:30.04 | Mattx | only from my laptop to host3 (through host2) it's not working |
| 11:30.27 | Mattx | (also from my laptop to host2 it is working) |
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| 11:30.43 | Mattx | ls |
| 11:30.43 | tw | Sure is, but not helpful without logs from host3. |
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| 11:33.10 | Mattx | I won't get help/access to the logs anytime soon, it can take up to a week easily |
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| 11:35.59 | Mattx | maybe I can create a tunnel somehow? and make host2 "transparent", connecting directly to host3 |
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| 11:36.39 | Roland- | hey folks, just did a jessie to stretch update and now I get kernel panic on the 4.9 kernel |
| 11:36.47 | Roland- | loading initial ramdisk.... |
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| 11:37.54 | tw | Mattx: you can try the jumphost configuration, but since it's tunneling scp, your luck may be spotty. |
| 11:38.10 | tw | gentoo wiki or arch wiki has details on jumphosts. |
| 11:38.19 | Brigo | Roland-, can you boot from rescue kernel? |
| 11:38.40 | Mattx | I just checked and I have netcat on host2 and host3 (not host1). maybe I can change proxycommand to use that instead? not sure that is even possible provided nc is not present on host1 |
| 11:38.48 | Roland- | I can boot from the jessie kernel indeed |
| 11:39.05 | tw | Mattx: yep, that's how jumphost works, except more automatic. |
| 11:39.17 | Brigo | Roland-, what about the upgrade? does it ended right? |
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| 11:42.33 | Roland- | no errors what so ever |
| 11:42.38 | Roland- | just the new kernel won't start |
| 11:43.10 | tw | What's the line before the panic? |
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| 11:47.33 | Brigo | Roland-, i have readed from debian mailing list " |
| 11:47.33 | Brigo | Do you have a recent version of Grub installed. |
| 11:47.33 | Brigo | I had a similar problem when adding either Jessie or Stretch (forget which) to a machine whose Grub was from a Squeeze install. Replacing it solved my problem. |
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| 11:52.35 | limbo | How do I install debian using ssh? I can access the machine, and boot it from removable media, but the built-in keyboard is broken and constantly pressing the ; key. |
| 11:53.03 | limbo | Also, are there any images targeted at installing on a server? |
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| 11:56.03 | Roland- | by replace means? |
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| 11:57.22 | Roland- | crap |
| 11:57.28 | Roland- | got the latest grub, segmentation fault |
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| 11:57.46 | themill | limbo: all the installers are identical, there's no need for different ones |
| 11:57.49 | BCMM | limbo: no USB ports or similar? |
| 11:58.18 | themill | !ssh install |
| 11:58.19 | dpkg | ssh install is probably http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 12:00.22 | catalyzer1 | is there any sfdisk expert? |
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| 12:00.48 | catalyzer1 | the new version does not allow to specicfy cilynders |
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| 12:01.20 | catalyzer1 | -D -H -S -C are no more utilizable |
| 12:01.21 | catalyzer1 | :\ |
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| 12:01.55 | limbo | BCMM: It has USB ports, but I can't login or type anything because the ';' key keeps being pressed. |
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| 12:02.15 | BCMM | limbo: ssh in and disable the internal keyboard |
| 12:02.30 | catalyzer1 | no expert about this? |
| 12:02.40 | limbo | BCMM: Is there an SSH server running during the install process? |
| 12:02.59 | BCMM | limbo: there can be. see the link themill/dpkg provided |
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| 12:04.55 | limbo | ok. |
| 12:05.16 | catalyzer1 | nobody alive here? |
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| 12:10.25 | BCMM | catalyzer1: try asking an actual question |
| 12:10.37 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i did |
| 12:10.52 | BCMM | there are no sfdisk experts here, no. but there might still be somebody with enough knowledge to solve your problem |
| 12:11.08 | BCMM | but it's really not clear what that problem *is* yet |
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| 12:11.22 | catalyzer1 | the problem is that i have a script which uses those flags |
| 12:11.30 | catalyzer1 | but those flags does no more exist |
| 12:12.43 | BCMM | catalyzer1: why do you need CHS addressing? |
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| 12:13.14 | BCMM | it's an ancient system with 0 bearing on how modern hardware actually works |
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| 12:13.25 | BCMM | can you explain, at a higher level, what you're actually trying to do? |
| 12:13.25 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, because the script i downloaded, needs to flash bootloader and filesystem |
| 12:13.37 | Mattx | I paste it again in case anyone else have an idea of what may be wrong with scp: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/212203962b0988ae7d71da13e2582718 |
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| 12:15.23 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, install an OS to a sdcard |
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| 12:23.53 | catalyzer1 | BCMM: http://elinux.org/File:Mksdcard.sh |
| 12:23.58 | catalyzer1 | see what beautiful is |
| 12:24.07 | catalyzer1 | you see sfdisk line? |
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| 12:27.25 | limbo | Is there no easier way to do a network install? setting up the network hostname and password was painful. |
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| 12:28.05 | petn-randall | limbo: What? |
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| 12:29.05 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, maybe you could help me as well? |
| 12:29.16 | catalyzer1 | it's an sfdisk problem |
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| 12:29.47 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Update the script. |
| 12:30.04 | catalyzer1 | by myself? |
| 12:30.06 | Senro | "A network install or netinst CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system." |
| 12:30.11 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: "cylinders" hasn't had a useful meaning on HDDs in the last 20 years. |
| 12:30.19 | petn-randall | Ok, probably 15 years. |
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| 12:30.28 | catalyzer1 | so who wrote that script is dumb? |
| 12:30.35 | Shadur | Altering preseed.cfg to set up the minimum for a remote installation was easy. Rebuilding a CD image for each new system I want to install that way was annoying. |
| 12:30.52 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: I'm not implying anything here. I'm just saying the script needs updating. |
| 12:30.53 | catalyzer1 | https://github.com/jcpetkovich/beaglebone-black-gentoo/blob/master/mksdcard.sh |
| 12:31.01 | catalyzer1 | all the scripts i see uses the same thing |
| 12:31.08 | Shadur | catalyzer1: The script is 15 years out of date,doesn't necessarily mean it was dumb when it was written. |
| 12:31.27 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Did you ask as surfer__ a few hours ago? |
| 12:31.37 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, yes |
| 12:31.51 | orlock | many sd cards would be of a size that chs values are still valid |
| 12:31.53 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: You already got the same answer there, no need to ask again. |
| 12:31.57 | orlock | but still even more nonsensical |
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| 12:34.09 | monkwitdafunk | hello users of #debian. i am using debian 9 |
| 12:34.40 | monkwitdafunk | i cant login. when installing, i only installed the bare minimum software |
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| 12:35.02 | catalyzer1 | orlock: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/SD/MMC_format_for_OMAP3_boot |
| 12:35.06 | catalyzer1 | the scripts are new |
| 12:35.10 | catalyzer1 | not 15 years old |
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| 12:35.21 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Still not relevant for the problem. |
| 12:35.27 | monkwitdafunk | hi catalyzer1. how are you? |
| 12:35.39 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: What happens if you try to log in? |
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| 12:35.57 | monkwitdafunk | oh yeah. i forgot to mention. wait |
| 12:36.06 | orlock | catalyzer1: if they came from ti, good chance they are older than 15 years |
| 12:36.35 | monkwitdafunk | login incorrect <---- |
| 12:37.05 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: And you created a user during installation? |
| 12:37.16 | monkwitdafunk | yes |
| 12:37.37 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: Maybe the keyboard layout is a different one and now the password has to be typed differently? |
| 12:37.45 | monkwitdafunk | i remember just giving two passwords to the system |
| 12:38.02 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: What were the passwords for? |
| 12:38.17 | monkwitdafunk | i remember using the right keyboard layout |
| 12:38.36 | limbo | petn-randall: Following the network-install guide is very difficult because the keyboard keeps hitting the ; key. (rather than just getting on the network without prompting me for information) |
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| 12:38.44 | monkwitdafunk | passwd and login for a user |
| 12:38.57 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: There's not much we can help you with. You'll either have to fix those scripts yourself, or ask the creators to update said scripts. Since it's hosted at github , I recommend filing a bug report there. |
| 12:39.19 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: Typing the same passwort twice, or two different passwords? |
| 12:39.23 | monkwitdafunk | i used netinstall |
| 12:39.52 | monkwitdafunk | by the way, where do i get the integrity check for netinstall? |
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| 12:40.21 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, i CAN'T update the script by myself |
| 12:40.34 | catalyzer1 | because there is no substitution of head, cylinders, secors |
| 12:40.34 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: How to verify the iso is documented in the release notes. |
| 12:40.37 | catalyzer1 | *sectors |
| 12:40.46 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: That's why I said you should file a bug report. |
| 12:41.03 | catalyzer1 | maybe there's something you don't know |
| 12:41.10 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 12:41.47 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Again, this has not much to do with Debian. Using CHS has been deprecated for several years now. |
| 12:42.19 | cruncher | well, its not true that cylinders have no meaning in modern hdds... its just manual setting of them isnt used anymore as programs do that for you now |
| 12:42.55 | themill | «CHS has never been important for Linux, …» |
| 12:42.55 | petn-randall | cruncher: What meaning does a cylinder have on a SD card? |
| 12:43.20 | cruncher | partition alignment |
| 12:43.53 | Senro | what is the point of the script anyway? |
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| 12:44.06 | petn-randall | cruncher: That makes so little sense what you're saying. |
| 12:44.19 | cruncher | but as i said, since most programs nowadays start at 1mb boundary, you dont need to set it anymore, resp the tool does that |
| 12:45.14 | cruncher | petn-randall, then read about partition alignment, specially with older tools, like fdisk up to 2.17.1 |
| 12:45.43 | themill | .o0( teaching grandma how to suck eggs? ) |
| 12:45.53 | cruncher | from 2.17.1 on it they started on 1mb boundary, so no need anymore for c/h/s |
| 12:46.34 | petn-randall | cruncher: Addressing Cylinders, Heads and Sectors only made sense when those things actually existed on HDDs. And even that only made sense back in the days when HDDs didn't have an embedded disk controller. |
| 12:47.12 | petn-randall | cruncher: The 1 MB offsets for partitions has *nothing* to do with CHS addressing. Stop making stuff up. |
| 12:47.34 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall: https://randomproj.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/how-to-modify-raspberry-img-partition-size-to-fit-new-sd-card/ |
| 12:47.45 | catalyzer1 | this is why is important H C S |
| 12:48.32 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: And why should I be reading this? |
| 12:48.40 | cruncher | yes, but on those tools you could set them so that alignment could be achieved |
| 12:48.56 | cruncher | here i found a page that describes it quite well https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment#fdisk_.28Older_Versions.29 |
| 12:49.01 | themill | cruncher: please stop |
| 12:49.07 | cruncher | ok |
| 12:49.21 | themill | catalyzer1: that has to be craziest way of growing the image to fit the card that I've ever seen |
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| 12:50.49 | petn-randall | Funny enough, neither of those two byte sizes that the blog mentions is 8GiB. |
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| 12:51.04 | petn-randall | Or 8GB for that matter. |
| 12:51.11 | shtrb | Other than dovocet and SMS backup+ what do you guys use (or suggest) for SMS/MMS backup with debian ? |
| 12:51.16 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, can you suggest me a debian version which will have the old version of sfdisk? |
| 12:51.26 | catalyzer1 | debian 6 ? |
| 12:51.31 | petn-randall | "Hey, news flash! Two arbitrary numbers aren't the same!!!111one" |
| 12:52.04 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Debian 8 is still supported, you could try that. A bit overkill to reinstall an older version just to get a script working, though. |
| 12:52.33 | themill | particularly when there are so many other ways of doing this without |
| 12:52.46 | orlock | catalyzer1: this is for a dev board? rpi or beaglebone? |
| 12:52.49 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, i just need it for a while |
| 12:52.53 | petn-randall | shtrb: On your android phone? |
| 12:52.55 | catalyzer1 | give me the right version |
| 12:52.56 | orlock | catalyzer1: maybe ask one of those specific communities |
| 12:53.00 | cruncher | themill, petn-randall ok, if you want i will stop, but im not inventing that. https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Partition_Alignment#fdisk_.28Older_Versions.29 |
| 12:53.06 | catalyzer1 | which comes with the good sfdisk version |
| 12:53.21 | shtrb | petn-randall , from Android to debian |
| 12:53.48 | shtrb | dovecot is just an IMAP server that you can use for SMS storage but I'm asking if there are other good options |
| 12:55.05 | petn-randall | cruncher: That article doesn't support your statement, though. And you're quite close to hitting my plonk list right now. |
| 12:55.06 | monkwitdafunk | im reading the release notes. since when did adding apt sources from optical media become available? this is great news |
| 12:55.17 | monkwitdafunk | im guessing its new to debian 9 |
| 12:55.28 | monkwitdafunk | praise debian |
| 12:55.46 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: It's been supported for over 10 years now. |
| 12:55.49 | themill | monkwitdafunk: apt-cdrom predates me using Debian |
| 12:56.07 | monkwitdafunk | oh |
| 12:56.20 | shtrb | monkwitdafunk , you could used cdroms on etch and before |
| 12:56.24 | themill | there are 1999 changelog entries where bugs are fixed... |
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| 12:56.59 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, i did you a question |
| 12:57.25 | themill | catalyzer1: you're asking the wrong question. There is no answer to your question. Please use supported softare. |
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| 12:57.51 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: I don't know the answer. You'd have to look what version of sfdisk still supported that obsolete method, then look up which Debian version shipped with it. |
| 12:58.27 | tw | I haven't had to manually align partitions in like 6 years. |
| 12:58.27 | catalyzer1 | petn-randall, i i tried to rollback sfdisk to debian 9 |
| 12:58.31 | monkwitdafunk | i was using knoppix a while back and was pretty incompetent on using dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3 to be the apt sources. its not supported so im not going to mention further |
| 12:58.47 | catalyzer1 | but it comes in a very big package |
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| 12:59.04 | sypher | Are we really talking about rolling back an entire OS rather than simply fixing a script? |
| 12:59.32 | Arahael | You've been able to add apt sources from CD's for *decades*. |
| 12:59.39 | petn-randall | sypher: And even ignore suggestions where to get older versions. |
| 13:00.11 | sypher | catalyzer1: You are why security professionals like me get paychecks. Use a supported version and fix your script. |
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| 13:00.38 | shtrb | Could you post your script and maybe someone could fix it ? |
| 13:01.22 | monkwitdafunk | sypher, have you run lxc on debian 9 before? |
| 13:01.35 | monkwitdafunk | i have a book on lxc from packt |
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| 13:01.48 | sypher | monkwitdafunk: Why are you asking me in particular? |
| 13:02.23 | BCMM | i'd go so far as to say that apt cd sources made a lot more sense many years ago. these days almost everybody has a decent internet connections and people sending off for debian on physical CD is much less of a thing |
| 13:02.34 | monkwitdafunk | info tech is a full time gig? im a part timer |
| 13:02.42 | petn-randall | !chat |
| 13:02.42 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:03.00 | BCMM | sypher: http://elinux.org/File:Mksdcard.sh - he posted the script |
| 13:03.03 | shtrb | BCMM , lol , oh I have bad news for you :) |
| 13:03.30 | BCMM | oh sorry, mishighlight |
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| 13:04.01 | BCMM | i'd go so far as to say the script is a *bit* stupid |
| 13:04.05 | sypher | A bit? |
| 13:04.13 | sypher | Rube Goldberg would be proud. |
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| 13:04.14 | BCMM | sypher: i'm british. |
| 13:04.35 | shtrb | BCMM , my comment was about the stable network connection |
| 13:05.18 | themill | wow... anyone want to replace all of that with one call to parted? |
| 13:05.21 | BCMM | the way the script goes out of its way to shoehorn cylinder addressing in there |
| 13:05.59 | monkwitdafunk | speaking of networks, would users here rather use traceroute or mtr? |
| 13:06.00 | BCMM | it already knows the size it wants but it *calls out to bc* to ask "what's that in cylinders?" |
| 13:06.07 | tw | BCMM: in fairness, it's probably replacing a script that only knew CHS geometry. |
| 13:06.13 | shtrb | mokwitdafunk both :) |
| 13:06.24 | themill | (or better, replace the entire thing with vmdb2) |
| 13:06.27 | shtrb | you can't always sent mtr output to techsupport |
| 13:06.32 | BCMM | tw: then that script was stupider, because we're talking about an SD card here :) |
| 13:06.33 | monkwitdafunk | sypher, whats the diffrence in traceroute -e compared to mtr? ive never used mtr |
| 13:06.51 | sypher | monkwitdafunk: Why do you keep singling me out with your questions? |
| 13:06.57 | tw | BCMM: yep, but in those days, linux was dumb like that. |
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| 13:07.24 | BCMM | tw: which days were those? |
| 13:07.30 | tw | circa 2004? |
| 13:07.42 | monkwitdafunk | info tech is a full time gig. imma part timer |
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| 13:08.40 | sypher | Ooooookay. |
| 13:08.56 | BCMM | is that supposed to be a non sequitur or am i missing a link here? |
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| 13:11.12 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i'm downloading debian 6 |
| 13:11.25 | catalyzer1 | HOPING that it has the right version of sfdisk |
| 13:11.32 | BCMM | catalyzer1: i'm putting on some popcorn |
| 13:11.47 | catalyzer1 | you have some other suggestion? |
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| 13:11.52 | themill | fix that crap? |
| 13:12.03 | catalyzer1 | all the script you see over the internet |
| 13:12.10 | catalyzer1 | uses SHC |
| 13:12.14 | themill | no they don' |
| 13:12.31 | BCMM | catalyzer1: i think i'm still missing some details about what the ultimate goal is here |
| 13:12.45 | BCMM | catalyzer1: presumably you're preparing an sd card for some kind of embedded device - what device is it? |
| 13:12.47 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, program some dev board |
| 13:12.52 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Debian 6 is not supported in here. Feel free to ask in #linux. |
| 13:13.15 | catalyzer1 | beagle board |
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| 13:13.45 | catalyzer1 | sfdisk is the only partitioning program? |
| 13:13.48 | themill | catalyzer1: for the past decade, the documentation on how to make these sorts of cards has used parted |
| 13:13.56 | catalyzer1 | maybe i can change it with some other one which is supporting |
| 13:14.20 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Read their documentation. I'm pretty sure they don't recommend using sfdisk with CHS addressing. |
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| 13:14.29 | shtrb | catalyzer1 , why on hell do you work like that ? |
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| 13:14.47 | themill | sfdisk doesn't recommend using sfdisk with CHS... |
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| 13:15.16 | shtrb | sorry for my french , but WHY , is there a technical reason for you to use that script and not something more recent like parted ? |
| 13:15.30 | BCMM | can anybod ysee any reason to not simply delete "-H 255 -S 63 -C $CYLINDERS" from the script? |
| 13:16.01 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i could try |
| 13:16.12 | shtrb | BCMM , we really need to understand why he doesn't just use parted instead |
| 13:16.14 | tw | yeah, the 9 is the number of cylinders based on that geometry. He has to specify -uM and MB disk. |
| 13:16.24 | tw | for part 1. |
| 13:16.29 | tw | or just use parted. |
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| 13:16.32 | BCMM | shtrb: well, that's because he's trying to use this script somebody else wrote |
| 13:16.49 | BCMM | but there's large parts of this that can't have made any sense since long before the beagleboard was a thing |
| 13:16.58 | tw | 9 cylinders ~= 73MB. |
| 13:17.00 | shtrb | BCMM , the question is why , I prefer to judge him for the best (maybe he is FORCED to use that script and not something saner) |
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| 13:17.10 | BCMM | actually i don't know sfdisk syntax at all, is the stuff he's piping in to it using cylinder addressing? |
| 13:17.27 | tw | yes, it is. the 9 is number of cylinders. |
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| 13:17.40 | tw | (size) |
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| 13:17.48 | petn-randall | smells a lot of cargoculting in that script and won't touch it with a 10-foot pole. |
| 13:18.28 | BCMM | they go to all that trouble to calculate a cylinder count but i can't see that it is actually *used* anywhere |
| 13:18.49 | shtrb | passed an a meter long pole to petn-randall |
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| 13:19.12 | BCMM | except that it tells sfdisk how many "cylinders" the SD card has, but i don't think sfdisk does anything with the cylinder count either |
| 13:19.32 | BCMM | because the sfdisk input doesn't use CHS |
| 13:20.20 | petn-randall | shtrb: Too short |
| 13:20.45 | BCMM | catalyzer1: so try just changing line 18 to: } | sfdisk -D $DRIVE |
| 13:20.47 | BCMM | see if that works |
| 13:21.08 | shtrb | but it fulfill your demand (not to touch it with a 3 M pole) |
| 13:21.18 | tw | Using the defaults in sfdisk or parted would be fine. MBR partition table; first partition ~75MB, bootable, fat32; 2nd partition ext2fs until end of disk. |
| 13:22.11 | BCMM | tw: what are the units of size here? i'm not seeing how ",9," translates to 75MB |
| 13:23.09 | tw | omitted starting addr assumed 0, 9 is cylinders * 255 heads * 63 sectors * 512 bytes |
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| 13:25.12 | BCMM | ah, so for modern sfdisk we'll need to change that 9 to something sensible? |
| 13:25.19 | tw | The precise size probably matters a lot less than "big enough for uImage, MLO, and u-boot.bin", which are probably 10+MB, who knows, and 1-2 MB |
| 13:25.39 | tw | sure, or use parted. |
| 13:25.51 | tw | or -uM and 75 |
| 13:25.54 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i got an error |
| 13:26.06 | BCMM | interesting |
| 13:26.09 | catalyzer1 | ERROR: executing mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n boot /dev/sdc1 |
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| 13:26.50 | shtrb | I think he needs to have a sync there (just before vfat) |
| 13:27.11 | BCMM | my manual (for a modern sfdisk) says that size is in blocks by default. is the problem that we're making a really small boot partition maybe? |
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| 13:28.41 | BCMM | another thing bothering me is: "The partition type is given in hex for MBR (DOS), without the 0x prefix" |
| 13:29.11 | BCMM | but the script uses the 0x prefix. i'm getting confused as to why this ever worked. |
| 13:29.17 | tw | 9 blocks won't hold a uImage. There's a full kernel w/ modules + dtb in there usually. |
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| 13:30.48 | BCMM | sorry, i misspoke. said blocks instead of sectors |
| 13:31.11 | BCMM | but that's gonna be 512B by default right? |
| 13:31.27 | tw | They're often the same thing. |
| 13:31.31 | BCMM | yeah |
| 13:31.56 | BCMM | i don't imaging you can actually mkfs.vfat in 9*512B, so why did this script work when it was used with an old sfdisk? |
| 13:31.59 | monkwitdafunk | i dont think the stretch release notes mentions integrity check for netinstall |
| 13:32.00 | BCMM | ^imagine |
| 13:32.15 | monkwitdafunk | sighs |
| 13:32.30 | tw | BCMM: It makes sense if the old default was cylinders. |
| 13:32.42 | BCMM | i've found a manual for an old version of sfdisk with CHS support online but it doesn't state what size is measured in at all |
| 13:32.44 | tw | but we've diverged, I think he's gotten past this stage into other errors. |
| 13:33.08 | BCMM | tw: he got an error with mkfs.vfat. i think that error very likely results from an excessively small boot partition |
| 13:33.22 | BCMM | tw: because that's what he's trying to run mkfs.vfat on |
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| 13:36.04 | catalyzer1 | the problem is unable to open /dev/sdc1: No such file or directory |
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| 13:36.45 | BCMM | ah, thanks |
| 13:36.47 | shtrb | have you tried running sync |
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| 13:36.52 | BCMM | please post the full error message next time |
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| 13:37.20 | BCMM | not sure sync forces a partition rescan. he should run partprobe. |
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| 13:37.30 | BCMM | sync is for filesystem-level stuff, not partitioning |
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| 13:37.44 | BCMM | of course, sfdisk should trigger partition probing when it exits really |
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| 13:38.35 | BCMM | catalyzer1: stick "partprobe" after the sfdisk line |
| 13:39.04 | catalyzer1 | wait a minute, i installed debian 6 |
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| 13:39.14 | catalyzer1 | which comes with the right version of sfdisk |
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| 13:39.22 | BCMM | for a strange value of right |
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| 13:39.23 | petn-randall | !next |
| 13:39.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:40.28 | shtrb | Previous customer still waiting ... |
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| 13:40.56 | catalyzer1 | thank you for the support guys |
| 13:41.11 | catalyzer1 | if i'll not fix with thebian 6, i'll come again here |
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| 13:42.28 | shtrb | Is that for equifax or something ? |
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| 13:53.34 | petn-randall | monkwitdafunk: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 13:55.17 | monkwitdafunk | thanks petn-randall |
| 13:56.06 | mender27 | Hello! I'm having this weird problem since some time now, on different hardware, that lightdm crashes whenever it tries to lock a running user session. It only happens with nVidia graphics card (driver line 340.xx). The final result is that there is only a blinking underscore in the tty where the X11 session was running and the rest of the ttys are not accessible. |
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| 13:56.19 | catalyzer1 | BCMM: Too few blocks for viable filesystem |
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| 13:56.33 | BCMM | debian 6 didn't fix things then? |
| 13:56.35 | mender27 | I see this even on Debian Stable :(. |
| 13:56.45 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, is still installing |
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| 13:57.25 | BCMM | catalyzer1: i dunno what units old sfdisk used for partition sizes, because the manual bloody well doesn't say. but somebody guessed it was cylinders? |
| 13:57.32 | BCMM | anyway i found some website that says 72261KB is enough for a bb black /boot/ so lets go with that |
| 13:58.01 | catalyzer1 | so what do i need to do? |
| 13:58.36 | BCMM | so ,9,0x0C,* should be changed to ,72261K,0x0C,* i think |
| 13:58.56 | BCMM | although i'm still wondering what, if anything, 0x0C is supposed to do |
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| 14:02.03 | catalyzer1 | now i get the same error as before |
| 14:02.04 | catalyzer1 | unable to open /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory |
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| 14:03.23 | BCMM | catalyzer1: it was sdc before |
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| 14:04.04 | BCMM | is that the result of device numbering changing, or have you just accidentally overwritten your hard disk? |
| 14:04.06 | catalyzer1 | catalyzer1, yes, now is sdb |
| 14:04.13 | BCMM | aww |
| 14:04.17 | catalyzer1 | i disconnected and reconnected the sd |
| 14:05.13 | BCMM | catalyzer1: you know, you could just give up on the script and create the partitions manually in gparted or something |
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| 14:06.21 | BCMM | catalyzer1: all it needs is a ~75MB FAT32 partition at the start of the disk, marked bootable, and an ext3 partition taking up the rest of the disk |
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| 14:06.48 | BCMM | oh and make the labels "boot" and "rootfs" just in case that matters |
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| 14:10.01 | catalyzer1 | some failure with debian 6 repositories? |
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| 14:10.35 | BCMM | catalyzer1: this is a very convoluted way of creating 2 partitions |
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| 14:11.14 | petn-randall | catalyzer1: Debian 6 is not supported in here. Feel free to ask somewhere else. |
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| 14:12.36 | catalyzer1 | brb |
| 14:12.44 | BCMM | catalyzer1: really, try gparted. it's very user-friendly |
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| 14:19.16 | limbo | 389-administration-server won't start without apache2 installed, despite it not being required. init error: "Process: 15983 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -f /etc/dirsrv/admin-serv/httpd.conf (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)" |
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| 14:19.40 | mender27 | limbo: which Debian version? |
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| 14:20.30 | limbo | 9. latest. on a fresh install. |
| 14:20.57 | tw | BCMM: 0c sets the partition type to Win32 LBA. |
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| 14:21.11 | mender27 | limbo: could you submit a bug report then? :) |
| 14:21.22 | BCMM | tw: yes, it's just that the manual consistently says not to include the 0x... |
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| 14:21.45 | tw | Code rot. |
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| 14:22.00 | limbo | mender27: to who, the packager? |
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| 14:26.54 | mender27 | limbo: no, to the Debian bug tracker :). |
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| 14:59.14 | plujon | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox mentions 'deb', but I see no such utility on debian 9 and `apt-cache search deb` returns 3000+ entries. |
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| 15:00.11 | tw | plujon: it's a configuration directive for sources.list, not a program. |
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| 15:01.31 | plujon | tw: Ah, I see. It should be echo "deb ..." > |
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| 15:01.36 | plujon | tw: Thanks. |
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| 15:28.27 | mxh- | plujon: Looking for binaries, use apt-file! apt-file search --regex /deb$ confirms no package has such a binary :) |
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| 15:29.01 | plujon | mxh-: Thanks; good to know! |
| 15:30.05 | mxh- | plujon: I have this in my alias collection http://paste.debian.net/plain/986801 |
| 15:30.09 | mxh- | very useful |
| 15:30.38 | plujon | Ah, cool. |
| 15:31.40 | mxh- | provides-man () { apt-file search --regex man./"$1"; } for manpages but that's less useful :P |
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| 15:50.32 | Sayona | DebianWheezy? |
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| 15:50.35 | Sayona | download DebianWheezy |
| 15:50.36 | Boodie | Hi, this is my sources.list file: https://paste.debian.net/986805/ ... where can I add contrib and non-free? |
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| 15:54.23 | n0p_ | Boodie, just behind "main", at the end of each line |
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| 15:54.52 | Sayona | Hi, where Can I find debian 8? to download... |
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| 15:55.19 | n0p_ | Sayona, Debian 8 = debian Jessie |
| 15:55.27 | Sayona | yes |
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| 15:56.57 | Boodie | n0p_: including the lines pointing at 'security.debian.org?' |
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| 15:57.55 | n0p_ | just try. If a repository doesn't have these ones, apg-get update will complain about it |
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| 15:59.04 | n0p_ | Sayona, https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:01.03 | Sayona | thanks |
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| 16:16.25 | grig | hi guys, any idea on how could I use dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections to also remove packages that are installed on the second machine but not on the first? |
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| 16:23.57 | Mazhive | should i be in the php channel to ask how i can fix my php not working with nginx ?? |
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| 16:25.37 | petn-randall | Mazhive: Hard to say without any other details. Is this on a Debian machine? If so, what release? |
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| 16:30.34 | Mazhive | yep |
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| 16:32.47 | annadane | Mazhive, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:33.04 | Mazhive | debian stretch |
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| 16:33.24 | Mazhive | 9.1 |
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| 16:36.39 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:36.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:37.12 | petn-randall | Mazhive: Feel free to ask, use the above as a guide for asking. |
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| 16:37.30 | petn-randall | (in general, the more relevant details the better) |
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| 16:38.49 | Mazhive | oke ill try some more things if i really cant get it to work ill be back to ask... :) thanx for the attention/reaction. :) |
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| 17:11.00 | gunix | why did debian just offered me the option "restart and install" for upgrades, instead of "install and restart" ? and why restart with no kernel upgrade? is there a bug for the GUI regarding upgrades? |
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| 17:11.55 | petn-randall | gunix: Where are you seeing this option? |
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| 17:12.35 | shtrb | systemd upgrade ? |
| 17:14.24 | gunix | petn-randall: came as a notification from gnome 3 on default debian 9 install |
| 17:14.36 | gunix | i guess it is in relation with "Software & Updates" |
| 17:15.32 | gunix | this is what it updated: Upgrade: gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0:amd64 (2.36.5-2, 2.36.5-2+deb9u1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:amd64 (2.36.5-2, 2.36.5-2+deb9u1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common:amd64 (2.36.5-2, 2.36.5-2+deb9u1) |
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| 17:16.50 | petn-randall | gunix: I'd expect it to install first, but try it out and see in which order it happens. |
| 17:17.34 | jhutchin1_wk | Maybe it needs to get the GUI out of the way before it can upgrade. |
| 17:18.07 | gunix | petn-randall: do you know how to display reboot request and actuall boot request with miliseonds? |
| 17:18.11 | gunix | *with seconds, sorry |
| 17:18.31 | gunix | patch Start-Date: 2017-09-19 20:07:44, and took 1 sec |
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| 17:20.26 | gunix | petn-randall: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25573787/ |
| 17:20.45 | gunix | seems it did the pathing first. however, it's still unclear why a reboot was requested for those packages |
| 17:21.23 | sypher | gunix: The kernel isn't the only thing that can require a reboot. |
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| 17:21.46 | gunix | sypher: how come? |
| 17:22.24 | sypher | gunix: Resources or processes that support the GUI you're currently using to upgrade. No real clean way of bringing the new code online without a reboot. |
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| 17:23.31 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 |
| 17:23.32 | judd | Package: gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.26.1-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.26.1-1+deb7u5; jessie: 2.31.1-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2.31.1-2+deb8u6; buster: 2.36.5-2; stretch: 2.36.5-2; stretch-security: 2.36.5-2+deb9u1; sid: 2.36.5-4 |
| 17:25.22 | Cl0udN9ne | what are some good fonts available in stretch repos? |
| 17:25.32 | Cl0udN9ne | besides symbola? |
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| 17:29.30 | jelly | Cl0udN9ne: fonts for what purpose? |
| 17:30.10 | Cl0udN9ne | jelly: just putting smilies and such on chatting forums and irc |
| 17:30.11 | jelly | terminal? CV? irc on a 40" TV? |
| 17:30.25 | Cl0udN9ne | im not so fortunate :P |
| 17:30.32 | Cl0udN9ne | irc especially |
| 17:30.44 | Cl0udN9ne | i need some fonts for irc |
| 17:30.46 | jelly | dunno, I use Gentium for irc |
| 17:30.53 | nvz | Why is this machine doing this? http://paste.debian.net/986827 Its a normal Jessie/amd64 desktop on a home network not running any servers other than ssh and for some reason it keeps ending up with multiple ipv6 addresses and errors about them spewing into the logs saying avahi-daemon is registering or withdrawing the records over and over |
| 17:30.55 | Cl0udN9ne | ,v gentium |
| 17:30.57 | judd | No package named 'gentium' was found in amd64. |
| 17:31.13 | jelly | apt-cache search that one, Cl0udN9ne |
| 17:31.23 | Cl0udN9ne | yes ofc |
| 17:31.32 | Dagger | I can't comment on avahi, but the multiple v6 addresses are normal |
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| 17:31.48 | jelly | but I use a non-terminal irc client, that does proportional fonts |
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| 17:33.48 | nvz | Dagger: why would a single interface need all these ip addresses? |
| 17:34.46 | jhutchin1_wk | nvz: That's how v6 works. There's plenty of documentation on the 'net. |
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| 17:35.49 | jhutchin1_wk | nvz: Do your isp and your router support v6? |
| 17:36.17 | nvz | jhutchin1_wk: funny, thats same thing alex said several days ago when he told me I could stay with you in ipv4 land forever |
| 17:36.37 | Dagger | "need" aside, it has one address from DHCPv6 because DHCPv6 is enabled on the network, and it has one address from SLAAC because SLAAC is enabled on the network, plus it has one address from privacy extensions because those are turned on on the client |
| 17:36.44 | Dagger | and then there's the link-local, which is basically always there |
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| 17:38.51 | sypher | Privacy extensions can generate a new IPv6 address for each outbound connection and discard them when the session is finished. |
| 17:39.14 | Dagger | it's more normal to generate a new address every 24 hours |
| 17:39.24 | sypher | Gotcha. Think it depends on config. |
| 17:39.28 | nvz | I see.. I'll have to read up on that privacy thing then.. cause something is doing it within seconds over and over |
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| 17:40.28 | nvz | this all seems rather ludacris to me.. the whole point was we were running out of address space, so what do they do? create a new protocol with more space that now uses half a dozen or more IPs per iface rather than one.. |
| 17:41.25 | sypher | You're missing the point of scale, here. |
| 17:41.33 | Dagger | it's, uh... more than a half dozen times bigger |
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| 17:41.37 | Dagger | by a lot |
| 17:41.43 | kallenp | Hello. Please, I have a file with a lots of rows (30.000 +) and now I need a script, howto add to the end of all rows the ";" Can I ask for a help howto to easy do it ? Thanks |
| 17:41.58 | Dagger | 79228162514264337593543950336x bigger, to be specific |
| 17:42.04 | sypher | IPv4 supported 4.2 billion addresses. IPv6 supports 18.5 quintillion SUBNETS of 18.5 quintillion addresses each. |
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| 17:44.42 | sypher | You could give every grain of sand on Earth an address, and you'd still be under 50% utilization for a single subnet. |
| 17:44.57 | annadane | holy crap. |
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| 17:46.30 | nvz | kallenp: are you familiar with basic shell technique like piping output of one command to another |
| 17:47.09 | jhutchin1_wk | kallenp: vi. |
| 17:47.26 | sypher | kallenp: sed. |
| 17:47.30 | jhutchin1_wk | g/$/s//;$/g |
| 17:47.34 | nvz | kallenp: this is a proof of concept using echo to generate output of three seperate lines then pipe that into a while loop and append a semicolon echo -e "1\n2\n3" | while read line; do echo "$line;"; done |
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| 17:48.08 | tremon | that's :%s/$/;/ , even |
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| 17:48.13 | sypher | sed -i 's/$/;/g' file.txt |
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| 17:49.04 | nvz | kallenp: these questions are better asked in #bash, and as you're seeing there are numerous ways to do it, most using the basic idea I showed you and any number of tools like sed, awk, or such |
| 17:49.06 | jhutchin1_wk | sypher: Would that append the ; or replace the linebreak? |
| 17:49.14 | sypher | jhutchin1_wk: Append. |
| 17:49.44 | tremon | sed would match on the linebreak, but not replace it (well it would, but would not join the next line -- so insert a $ of its own again) |
| 17:49.56 | jhutchin1_wk | sypher: It's those little differences from vi that keep me from really learning sed. |
| 17:50.06 | surfer__ | Anybody who talked to me before? |
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| 17:50.30 | sypher | jhutchin1_wk: To sed, every line is its own universe, so there is no "next line" to join. |
| 17:50.45 | jhutchin1_wk | sypher: Ah, so perhaps 's/$/;$/g' would be more "correct"? Or just keep it simple. |
| 17:51.04 | sypher | jhutchin1_wk: No. It will actually append a dollar sign if you do that. |
| 17:51.09 | nvz | surfer__: anybody started doubting, self loathing, and vowed to quit irc.. maybe you should just ask a question and the people here now can help |
| 17:51.52 | surfer__ | Boot loader partition can be any size? |
| 17:52.00 | surfer__ | I set it 22 mb |
| 17:52.03 | tremon | it cannot be smaller than 32kB |
| 17:52.16 | jelly | jhutchin1_wk: $ is not a character, it's "the end of a line position" |
| 17:52.19 | surfer__ | Why it must be fat32c |
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| 17:52.26 | surfer__ | ? |
| 17:52.30 | jelly | #regex channel is also nice |
| 17:52.51 | surfer__ | I m loading the os for Beaglebone black |
| 17:52.56 | jhutchin1_wk | surfer__: Why do you think it needs to be? |
| 17:52.57 | nvz | surfer__: the boot loader typically goes on the mbr, the /boot partition is not necessary on modern systems and typically contains only the boot loader configs and kernel/initrd images |
| 17:53.04 | surfer__ | And it needs 2 partitions |
| 17:53.24 | jhutchin1_wk | !beaglebone |
| 17:53.29 | jelly | surfer__: that's dependent on the boot loader of the particular arm SoC |
| 17:53.49 | jhutchin1_wk | surfer__: I think you'd need to get help from beaglebone people, that's not a Debian thing. |
| 17:53.58 | sypher | jhutchin1_wk: https://paste.debian.net/986831/ |
| 17:54.04 | jelly | surfer__: if it's an Allwinner SoC (sunxi), then yeah you need a FAT partition |
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| 17:54.53 | jelly | surfer__: linux-sunxi.org wiki has details about booting from SD card. They also have an irc channel for development. |
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| 17:55.36 | jelly | surfer__: there's also #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net, different irc server/network |
| 17:56.36 | jelly | 22MB might be a little too small if you need to put a kernel+initrd on it, not sure how large sunxi kernel builds are these days |
| 17:57.27 | kallenp | OK, this works verry well for me in vim: g/$/s//;$/g |
| 17:57.51 | kallenp | and now, how can I simply remove all spaces on all rows ? |
| 17:58.08 | sypher | kallenp: You got your freebie. Time to learn regexes and vi/sed. |
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| 17:58.21 | sypher | Or at least basic editing. |
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| 17:59.29 | jelly | sypher: they ARE asking how to do some basic search and replacement. How does this not imply learning from the question |
| 18:00.00 | jelly | if you're going to tell people to RTFM, point them to the right FM |
| 18:00.02 | sypher | jelly: Because it doesn't. |
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| 18:01.17 | sypher | kallenp: http://www.linfo.org/vi/search.html |
| 18:01.21 | kallenp | sorry, but I am begginner and I need it only for this time |
| 18:01.42 | sypher | kallenp: Since you're not trying to pattern match, regexes might be a bit much to start with. To remove something, just leave the replace portion empty. |
| 18:02.58 | kallenp | Is this right command for vim: :%s/\n// |
| 18:03.00 | kallenp | ? |
| 18:03.12 | sypher | kallenp: That would remove all newlines. Probably not what you want. |
| 18:03.49 | sypher | jelly: And when someone asks how to do something very specific, rather than the general topic, especially when they're asking how to do X verbatim, I don't see the implied desire to learn in there because there ISN'T one being implied. |
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| 18:04.06 | kallenp | OK, whats the right command ? I need remove all spaces in all rows |
| 18:04.12 | sypher | jelly: I rest my case. |
| 18:04.18 | jelly | sypher: my apologies, apparently they really don't want to learn |
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| 18:07.58 | sypher | shrug. |
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| 18:09.40 | jelly | ,v postgresql |
| 18:09.41 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 9.6+184; sid: 9.6+184 |
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| 18:13.31 | donofrio | anyone know the status of this bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855819 cause I'm getting now ;( |
| 18:13.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855819 in remmina (open): «Remmina : SSH white blanking square after connection establish, but no Cursor»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-22; last modified: 2017-02-22. |
| 18:14.11 | tremon | donofrio: its status is "open" ;) |
| 18:14.38 | donofrio | tremon, thanks - I seen that, just wondering if a workaround was found yet? |
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| 18:17.41 | tremon | I'm afraid remmina is not that widely used -- by all means, hang around, maybe someone will have an answer |
| 18:17.59 | donofrio | k |
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| 18:19.37 | tremon | that bug is listed as affecting testing only, but the report says that it last worked on jessie. Are you running stretch (current stable) or buster (testing)? |
| 18:20.30 | tremon | oh remmina was dropped for stretch |
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| 18:22.21 | teraflops | :S |
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| 18:37.30 | jelly | dropped forever, or just RC buggy |
| 18:37.36 | jelly | ,v remmina |
| 18:37.37 | judd | Package: remmina on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; buster: 1.1.2-4; sid: 1.1.2-4; experimental: 1.2.0-rcgit.20-2 |
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| 18:37.53 | jelly | so, buggy apparently |
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| 18:38.06 | catalyzer1 | hi again |
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| 18:39.23 | verblendet | hi ho. quick question: is it easily possible to get rid of this pulseaudio thing ? i wanna use jack, which was fine before deb8, now i stuck inconfiguring this pulse thing to make use of jack or vice versa. if there is a way to get rid of pulse audio, i would prefer this way |
| 18:40.02 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: There are some things that expect pa these days, particularly in gnome. |
| 18:40.10 | catalyzer1 | ftp mirror for debian 6 are still alive? |
| 18:40.10 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: You can try removing it. |
| 18:40.10 | jelly | #714590 is somewhat amusing |
| 18:40.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714590 in remmina (closed, security, wontfix): «remmina: clipboard sync is enabled per default»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-07-01; last modified: 2017-09-13. |
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| 18:40.15 | verblendet | how evil |
| 18:40.19 | catalyzer1 | netinstall won't continue the installation |
| 18:40.31 | jelly | catalyzer1: it's archived. |
| 18:40.34 | jhutchins_wk | catalyzer1: afik ftp is disabled on the mirrors. |
| 18:40.44 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
| 18:40.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:40.52 | verblendet | so serious software imho does let me choose the preferred audio software, mmmh ;) |
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| 18:41.18 | catalyzer1 | jelly, it's a netinstall |
| 18:41.22 | catalyzer1 | i'm on the installation |
| 18:41.27 | catalyzer1 | it's a list of repositories |
| 18:41.39 | verblendet | the reason i ask is hat i wanna use jack again with ardour and blender - i know they talk jack and alsa |
| 18:41.57 | jelly | catalyzer1: use expert mode and enter the above as a custom mirror, somehow |
| 18:42.31 | catalyzer1 | i selected "add manually" |
| 18:42.35 | jelly | catalyzer1: there should be a way to put in http://archive.debian.org/debian/ as a mirror someplace |
| 18:42.37 | catalyzer1 | and there is "ftp.it.debian.org |
| 18:43.01 | jelly | and you can't edit that? |
| 18:43.07 | jhutchins_wk | catalyzer1: Some of the repos still have the ftp in the hostname, they all use http these days. |
| 18:43.08 | tremon | the normal mirrors don't carry squeeze anymore, and the archive mirror doesn't support ftp |
| 18:43.16 | tremon | that too |
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| 18:43.56 | jelly | don't think the installer defaulted to ftp protocol, even in squeeze |
| 18:44.18 | catalyzer1 | jelly, yes i can |
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| 18:44.30 | catalyzer1 | but there is not http:/// |
| 18:44.33 | catalyzer1 | i need to add it? |
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| 18:45.57 | jelly | catalyzer1: I would use literally this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 18:46.24 | jelly | and even then, that Check-Valid-Until thing may bite the installer in the ass |
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| 18:48.41 | catalyzer1 | jelly, it's asking for mirror directory |
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| 18:54.01 | jelly | catalyzer1: that'd be the /debian/ part |
| 18:54.35 | jelly | which means it probably really wanted just the hostname in the previous step |
| 18:54.44 | catalyzer1 | won't work |
| 18:54.47 | catalyzer1 | does not work |
| 18:54.58 | jelly | what does it say? |
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| 18:55.15 | catalyzer1 | mirror archive not valid |
| 18:55.30 | catalyzer1 | are you sure squeeze repositories still exists? |
| 18:55.53 | jelly | did you go back to the host part and enter just the hostname |
| 18:57.11 | catalyzer1 | jelly, still does not go |
| 18:57.15 | jelly | catalyzer1: find logs of the installer, somewhere on Ctrl-Alt-F3 or Ctrl-Alt-F4, make a screenshot with a phone camera and upload that if possible |
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| 18:57.29 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:57.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:57.38 | jelly | to imgur.com or picpaste.com |
| 18:57.52 | catalyzer1 | jelly, i can continue the minimal installation |
| 18:57.57 | jelly | yes you can. |
| 18:58.03 | catalyzer1 | and then fix apt when the system is installed? |
| 18:58.10 | jelly | yes |
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| 19:06.26 | catalyzer1 | jelly, is installed |
| 19:06.32 | catalyzer1 | and internet works |
| 19:06.37 | catalyzer1 | i tried ping google.com |
| 19:06.48 | jelly | I guess you can fix apt configuration now |
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| 19:07.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell catalyzer1 -about squeeze sources.list |
| 19:08.11 | catalyzer1 | i'm in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:08.32 | catalyzer1 | there are: deb htt://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 19:09.34 | jelly | catalyzer1: remove or comment out any existing lines starting with cdrom or deb or deb-src, and put in ONLY what dpkg told you |
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| 19:11.11 | catalyzer1 | Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:11.18 | catalyzer1 | there is not apt.conf |
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| 19:11.39 | jelly | create it. |
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| 19:12.45 | annadane | mkdir /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:13.01 | jelly | annadane: no! |
| 19:13.12 | catalyzer1 | ok seems working |
| 19:13.18 | catalyzer1 | thank you jelly |
| 19:13.33 | annadane | wait, that... isn't right |
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| 19:13.36 | annadane | never mind |
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| 19:13.46 | annadane | goes back to sleep |
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| 19:19.23 | catalyzer1 | jelly, build-essential installs also kernel sources? |
| 19:19.43 | jelly | nope |
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| 19:20.04 | jelly | what do you need kernel sources for, catalyzer1? |
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| 19:21.04 | catalyzer1 | jelly, virtualbox guest additions |
| 19:21.10 | jelly | if it's building some extra third-party kernel modules, in addition to build-essential install kernel headers |
| 19:21.21 | jelly | catalyzer1: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:21.28 | catalyzer1 | already did it |
| 19:21.44 | catalyzer1 | jelly, that's is to a problem of sfdisk |
| 19:21.49 | catalyzer1 | i have debian 9 |
| 19:22.04 | catalyzer1 | but sfdisk of newer version does not recognize head, sector, track |
| 19:22.14 | catalyzer1 | so i need an old version of it |
| 19:22.20 | catalyzer1 | and i'm installing debian 6 |
| 19:22.42 | jelly | what do you plan to do with old sfdisk? |
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| 19:22.57 | catalyzer1 | jelly, programming an sd card for a dev board |
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| 19:25.22 | jelly | catalyzer1: and what's special about formatting an sd card that only old sfdisk can do? |
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| 19:25.41 | jelly | sfdisk in jessie (debian 8) still has -C -H -S options |
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| 19:27.21 | BCMM | oh my god, still? is there a reason to not just format it manually? |
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| 19:27.50 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i tried |
| 19:27.53 | catalyzer1 | it does not work |
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| 19:28.10 | catalyzer1 | BCMM: https://askubuntu.com/questions/240497/partitioning-sd-card |
| 19:28.13 | catalyzer1 | i followed this |
| 19:28.16 | catalyzer1 | but won't boot |
| 19:28.47 | BCMM | did you mark the 1st partition bootable? |
| 19:29.05 | catalyzer1 | yes |
| 19:29.20 | catalyzer1 | i set the "a" letter |
| 19:29.20 | lukey | Hi, apt-get asks me the following: "Package wine:i386 is a virtual package provided by: wine 2.0.2-1 wine-development 2.16-1 You should explicitly select one to install." How do I choose wine without the -developement? |
| 19:29.22 | catalyzer1 | then i saved |
| 19:29.35 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, i did the partition 22 mb, is good? |
| 19:29.55 | BCMM | well, did all the required files fit on it? |
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| 19:30.14 | BCMM | the original script made something like a 72MB partition iirc |
| 19:30.20 | oojacoboo | where would be the proper location to store files to be shared with users? |
| 19:30.27 | BCMM | and i found similar advice online for the size of a bb black /boot/ partition |
| 19:30.29 | oojacoboo | opt? |
| 19:30.32 | catalyzer1 | BCMM, but i didn't get any error |
| 19:30.59 | oojacoboo | `usr/share`? |
| 19:31.00 | BCMM | oojacoboo: as in, writable by users? or just for an admin to put a bunch of files that users will use? |
| 19:31.10 | oojacoboo | BCMM symlink RO |
| 19:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wine |
| 19:31.22 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; buster: 2.0.2-1; sid: 2.0.2-1 |
| 19:31.37 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wine-development |
| 19:31.38 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 2.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0-3; buster: 2.16-1; sid: 2.17-1 |
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| 19:43.58 | user4612 | Hello, how do i access the network manage in debian xfce ? It is intalled but I can't find when i try to add it to the panel. Thanks |
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| 19:45.56 | teraflops | user4612: the network manager or NetworkManager? |
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| 19:47.22 | user4612 | teraflops: network manager i think. On other OSes, I right click on the panel, click on "add new items" and there is the network manager. |
| 19:48.49 | teraflops | user4612: there are many network management things, so when you say the network manager I think it is the one youre already using |
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| 19:49.23 | teraflops | /e/n/i, wicd, networkd, NM |
| 19:50.09 | teraflops | user4612: maybe you mean Network Manager, which has an applet |
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| 19:51.06 | user4612 | yes teraflops , how do i get the applet ? it's not in the list |
| 19:51.22 | gunix | ,v postgres |
| 19:51.23 | judd | No package named 'postgres' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:51.54 | moozer | debugging fan speeds: where to begin? |
| 19:51.54 | gunix | ,v postgresql |
| 19:51.55 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 9.6+184; sid: 9.6+184 |
| 19:52.01 | moozer | is it a kernel module handling it? |
| 19:52.17 | moozer | "fan control" not installed |
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| 19:53.12 | nvz | moozer: lmsensors has a sensors-detect script that will locate sensors and load appropriate modules if you're unsure |
| 19:53.36 | moozer | nvz: I found that one, and now I can see the fan speeds. |
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| 19:53.39 | oojacoboo | is there a way to symlink a file to all user's home directories? |
| 19:53.47 | teraflops | user4612: my xfce-fu is 0, but I think you can want network-manager-applet package |
| 19:53.48 | nvz | moozer: kudos |
| 19:53.48 | oojacoboo | without explicitly defining a list of users |
| 19:53.57 | catalyzer1 | jelly, if i prepare the entire environment on a usb pen, then i can transfer it to a SD card ? |
| 19:54.05 | teraflops | s/can/ |
| 19:54.10 | moozer | nvz: lm-sensors is actually really nice on the command line |
| 19:54.25 | user4612 | ok I'll try that, thanks teraflops |
| 19:54.27 | teraflops | np |
| 19:54.52 | nvz | oojacoboo: well for new users you could try putting a symlink in the skeleton.. though I never tried this and it may not work |
| 19:55.09 | moozer | Still, on my workstations and laptops, fan speed is regulated even without lm-sensors. |
| 19:55.15 | oojacoboo | yea, I was reading that using the system profile.d is a way |
| 19:55.25 | moozer | Does modern BIOS's handle it for us? |
| 19:55.46 | oojacoboo | but that'll only work with interactive logic shells |
| 19:56.00 | oojacoboo | I want to avoid that requirement since it's only accessed via a CLI script |
| 19:56.03 | oojacoboo | remotely |
| 19:56.14 | nvz | oojacoboo: yes something along those lines would probably be the best solution. perhaps if you could better define the needs of this case |
| 19:56.37 | oojacoboo | nvz I need to symlink a db dump to all user's home dir for access |
| 19:56.38 | n4dir | catalyzer1: rsync the whole shebang to the SD card, reinstall grub, edit /etc/fstab, perhaps rm a file related to the netcard, right now i can't figure out which. |
| 19:56.53 | oojacoboo | I don't think explaining that helps though |
| 19:57.27 | nvz | oojacoboo: maybe you could just dump to a neutral location, perhaps /srv /opt or /usr/local/ and group own it to a group all users belong to? |
| 19:57.42 | nvz | oojacoboo: and just have the users access it from its actual location |
| 19:57.54 | oojacoboo | nvz yea, I'm putting it in /usr/share right now |
| 19:58.04 | oojacoboo | I guess I could just point the script to that location |
| 19:58.22 | oojacoboo | is usr/local more appropriate than /usr/share? |
| 19:58.38 | oojacoboo | I guess /usr/local/share is... |
| 19:59.05 | nvz | oojacoboo: I think so because the FHS specifically defines use of /usr/share where /sys, /opt, /usr/local are all entirely up to the user and not allowed to be touched by debian packages much like /home |
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| 19:59.35 | nvz | oojacoboo: its best when you work outside the normal system that you use on of those neutral locations to avoid any possible issues |
| 19:59.53 | nvz | oojacoboo: sorry /srv not /sys |
| 20:00.28 | teraflops | oojacoboo: db dump? or the db itself? |
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| 20:04.13 | nvz | my personal preference is to reconfigure servers to use /srv like /srv/samba/, /srv/httpd/, /srv/tftpd/, etc. user /usr/local/ for custom stuff, and /opt for entire 3rd party packages |
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| 20:05.49 | RoyK | nvz: that's not exactly LSB ;) |
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| 20:06.33 | RoyK | sticks to standardised directory trees to avoid issues when upgrading or restoring from backups |
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| 20:07.39 | nvz | RoyK: yeah well the way I see it the FHS left those dirs up to the admin how they are used, so when working outside standard setups its safest to use them and I find that setup to be rather intuitive.. much better than using stuff like /var/lib/transmission-daemon/ or such |
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| 20:08.38 | RoyK | nvz: well, transmission-daemon is a good example of how it shouldn't be done |
| 20:09.00 | nvz | I make good use of what I call neutral locations. /home, /mnt, /opt, /srv, /usr/local |
| 20:09.02 | RoyK | nvz: but again, I tend to like to separate services in different VMs |
| 20:09.46 | nvz | RoyK: yes transmission is a nice featureful suite of programs, but the transmission daemon default setup is atrocious |
| 20:10.21 | nvz | last I checked most mail servers, and http servers also used /var/lib which seems wrong to me |
| 20:10.36 | RoyK | notthe only example |
| 20:10.54 | RoyK | iirc debian jessie defaults to putting nginx under /var/lib as well |
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| 20:11.49 | RoyK | don't think stretch does that, though |
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| 20:14.28 | RoyK | nvz: still, I try to stick to the normals where they are sane, and they usually are, albeit some packages written by people incapable of driving a car legally |
| 20:15.39 | nvz | RoyK: I like doing it the way I described because it makes finding things for such purposes as you mentioned easier.. I know if I just backup /etc and /srv and dpkg selections I got my entire server setup |
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| 20:16.05 | nvz | I dont have to hunt all over the place for configs and data that are strewn about |
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| 20:16.30 | RoyK | nvz: good point |
| 20:16.34 | Eag7e | jij |
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| 20:17.37 | RoyK | Eag7e: jij? |
| 20:17.49 | moozer | FYI (follow-up on my own questions from earlier): fan speeds may be controlled by the hwmon chip. see e.g. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/hwmon/nct6775 - I do "Smart fan IV mode" |
| 20:18.00 | nvz | RoyK: I then make use of links as needed.. I have scripts in /usr/local/bin for example for use by users that check in their homedirs for their own scripts.. allowing them to customize as needed but keeping the standard setup in one location |
| 20:18.49 | allizom | Hi people! I noticed I have a file /devnull . Do you also have it on your Debian systems? What is its purpose? |
| 20:18.51 | RoyK | for the latter, I do the same, although without links |
| 20:19.02 | RoyK | allizom: run "file /devnull" |
| 20:19.08 | nvz | allizom: /dev/null ? |
| 20:19.27 | allizom | RoyK: empty |
| 20:19.28 | verblendet | i used to configure shares in /home/share/something and link to another location, to answer oojacoboo s question |
| 20:19.28 | oojacoboo | nvz thanks |
| 20:19.38 | allizom | nvz no: /devnull |
| 20:19.43 | RoyK | allizom: check timestamp |
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| 20:19.53 | oojacoboo | verblendet link to where? |
| 20:19.54 | moozer | allizom: sounds like a typo in a script |
| 20:19.57 | nvz | allizom: then that could be a typo |
| 20:20.12 | nvz | allizom: someone meant to send something to /dev/null and forgot the / |
| 20:20.16 | verblendet | oojacoboo, to the other users home who need access to it, and make the file readonly |
| 20:20.25 | oojacoboo | I guess I'm just going to point users to /usr/local/share/dir |
| 20:20.26 | allizom | it has been created on january |
| 20:20.32 | oojacoboo | verblendet hmm |
| 20:20.38 | RoyK | allizom: or last written to |
| 20:20.42 | oojacoboo | why not just point to the /usr/local/share/dir? |
| 20:20.48 | RoyK | allizom: posix doesn't have create stamps |
| 20:20.50 | oojacoboo | or access it directly? |
| 20:21.23 | moozer | allizom: is it a large file? |
| 20:21.29 | verblendet | oojacoboo, its up to you |
| 20:21.35 | allizom | it's empty |
| 20:21.42 | oojacoboo | just wasn't sure if you had a valid reason |
| 20:21.58 | nvz | allizom: did you check ls -l to make sure its not a link? |
| 20:22.03 | verblendet | thius way i have more control over orphaned files etc |
| 20:22.05 | nvz | though file would say its a link no? |
| 20:22.16 | RoyK | a decade or so ago, it was possible to create an empty file with 1777 perms (+s) and then edit it later - that's not possible anymore - if it has +s, it'll be removed once the file's mtime is changed |
| 20:22.20 | verblendet | i watch /home more often than /usr/local/share |
| 20:22.34 | allizom | nvz it seems it's not a link |
| 20:22.42 | oojacoboo | verblendet yea, that was my thought as well |
| 20:22.46 | oojacoboo | thanks for your input |
| 20:22.55 | verblendet | have fun :) |
| 20:22.57 | RoyK | allizom: file would have told you if it was - pastebin "ls -l /devnull" |
| 20:23.23 | nvz | allizom: I've never seen a file like that on any linux system, and best guess is ti was created by accident due to a typo |
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| 20:23.38 | RoyK | me too |
| 20:23.50 | RoyK | I guess I've even made one over the years ;) |
| 20:24.04 | allizom | -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 gen 8 2017 /devnull |
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| 20:24.41 | verblendet | oh that happens quickly.... by eg cat something > /devnull |
| 20:24.47 | nvz | well that also tells you something.. its permissions.. that doesnt look like a default umask |
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| 20:25.03 | RoyK | allizom: just remove it |
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| 20:25.37 | verblendet | does anyone have a file called /usr/lib/* ? |
| 20:25.48 | verblendet | i forgot what damn package created this file |
| 20:25.50 | allizom | RoyK: I'll do. Thanks to you all, I was just making sure it was not a needed file |
| 20:26.04 | RoyK | verblendet: seems like someone made a mistake ;) try ls -l '/var/lib/*' |
| 20:26.15 | RoyK | verblendet: don't forget the quotes |
| 20:26.21 | RoyK | verblendet: single ones |
| 20:26.53 | nvz | default umask for root would have made a file -rw-r--r-- |
| 20:26.56 | verblendet | RoyK, aaah :) |
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| 20:26.57 | verblendet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 8 2014 libutvideo.so.14 -> libutvideo.so.14.2.1 |
| 20:26.57 | verblendet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jan 8 2015 libutvideo.so.15 -> libutvideo.so.15.0.0 |
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| 20:27.23 | verblendet | i'm on debian 8, does this still happen in deb9? |
| 20:27.41 | verblendet | (i will try tomorrow on a newer system) |
| 20:27.42 | RoyK | verblendet: there should be no such file |
| 20:28.10 | verblendet | hm? |
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| 20:28.40 | RoyK | verblendet: rm -i /var/lib/\* |
| 20:29.07 | verblendet | mmmh |
| 20:29.08 | RoyK | it should find the file named '*' and ask you if you want to remove it. remember the backslash |
| 20:29.21 | RoyK | otherwise you'll just delete the /var/lib dir, which isn't a very good idea |
| 20:29.21 | verblendet | i already did that, but it seems it came back |
| 20:29.30 | verblendet | yepp |
| 20:29.31 | RoyK | eh? |
| 20:29.52 | RoyK | ls -l again? with a backslash in front of * as in |
| 20:29.56 | RoyK | ls -l /var/lib/\* |
| 20:30.11 | nvz | linux allows for a lot of annoying filenames.. a file starting with - is especially annyoing |
| 20:30.24 | verblendet | yes, i mentioned that some time before, i removed and re-installed a package (but i could remember which one) and it came back, then deleted it, then an update came up and it is there again |
| 20:30.31 | RoyK | nvz: not really - just rm -- -whateverfile |
| 20:30.54 | verblendet | - is less annoying than * |
| 20:30.55 | RoyK | verblendet: and your system hasn't been compromised or anything? ;) |
| 20:31.04 | verblendet | i think so |
| 20:31.16 | nvz | famous last words |
| 20:31.37 | RoyK | quite so |
| 20:31.50 | verblendet | semms to be a codec or so |
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| 20:32.45 | RoyK | verblendet: try lsof /var/lib/\* |
| 20:33.17 | nvz | speaking of codecs I've run across a lot of video files of late that just show the colored squares when I play them with mplayer -vo fbdev, and given I've seen it with a lot of different files I am beginning to think its not the files but either something related to my video setup or some unsupported file format not sure how to figure out what the problem is |
| 20:33.59 | nvz | or more specifically how to fix it :P |
| 20:34.18 | verblendet | lol? "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/[myUID]/gvfs" |
| 20:34.27 | verblendet | lsof: status error on /var/lib/*: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.27 | verblendet | lsof 4.86 |
| 20:34.37 | tremon | that's normal (sadly) |
| 20:34.39 | verblendet | even with ' around it |
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| 20:35.26 | RoyK | verblendet: try lsof /var/lib/\\\* |
| 20:35.50 | tremon | (gvfsd can only be contacted from inside the gnome session it's running, I mean) |
| 20:35.54 | RoyK | verblendet: or - even - cd /var/lib/; mv \* wtfisthis ; lsof wtfisthis |
| 20:37.04 | tremon | this is probably the first case where I think the rm (or mv) -i option is useful |
| 20:37.06 | verblendet | lsof doesnt help much, dont like * too |
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| 20:38.35 | verblendet | what was the syntax to get a package that provides a specific file? or filename-pattern? |
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| 20:38.59 | tremon | dpkg -S |
| 20:38.59 | dpkg | tremon: I give up, what is it? |
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| 20:40.12 | verblendet | ha! |
| 20:40.14 | verblendet | root@troll:/usr/lib/*# dpkg -S libutvideo.so.14 |
| 20:40.14 | verblendet | libutvideo14.2.1:amd64: /usr/lib/*/libutvideo.so.14 |
| 20:40.30 | verblendet | i guess this is a bug? |
| 20:40.39 | tremon | ah, it's a directory? |
| 20:40.55 | verblendet | yes |
| 20:41.30 | verblendet | sry, yes its a directory |
| 20:41.45 | verblendet | i didnt mentioned that clearly |
| 20:41.46 | tremon | yes, it is a bug. but looks like that's not a debian package |
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| 20:43.12 | tremon | you should have included -r (recursive) then in your rm command. so rm -ri /var/lib/\* would have worked. But probably best to get the package fixed |
| 20:43.58 | verblendet | all i found on google is that it may come from a backported version of wine as a dependency |
| 20:44.16 | verblendet | found here, searching for libutvideo http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=129578 |
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| 20:44.49 | verblendet | ok, i will check my history and maybe find out what exactly has caused this. thx so far |
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| 20:46.13 | tremon | there never has been a debian package with that name (at least not since wheezy): https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libutvideo |
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| 20:46.36 | tremon | it may have come from a third-party repository (like wine, or deb-multimedia) |
| 20:46.45 | verblendet | ok, than its some third party repository i used |
| 20:46.49 | verblendet | yepp |
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| 20:53.09 | verblendet | tremolo, its a package from deb-multimedia |
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| 21:07.46 | nvz | I just had vlc crash on me and got a video-output window stuck on my screen.. does anyone know how to "wipe" the framebuffer to clean this thing off.. it stays on all virtual consoles including X |
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| 21:10.01 | nvz | luckily I had the playlist window open and the video output is only about 200x200px or so cause its on top of everything even the mouse cursor |
| 21:11.45 | tremon | only way I know how is to rmmod/insmod the dri driver |
| 21:11.52 | tremon | but that would be quite nuclear |
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| 21:12.19 | abrotman | rmmod? really? |
| 21:12.22 | nvz | so is using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fb0 which is what I was planning to do |
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| 21:12.27 | nvz | heh |
| 21:12.53 | annadane | have you considered throwing the computer into a pool of acid? |
| 21:13.29 | nvz | no.. worst case scenario I get out my MS Windows diagnostic chart and try the boot, boot, reboot, reinstall method |
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| 21:14.45 | nvz | I think my fb is only about 16mb so the dd method should in theory work.. but I never tried something that crazy before so I asked first |
| 21:15.35 | nvz | what I don't understand is, how if X is writing the FB anyhow is it not overwriting this green square in the first place |
| 21:15.56 | nvz | which is what has me hesitating just blanking the fb using dd |
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| 21:17.33 | nvz | what else is crazy is, my uptime is at 7days.. which is usually when I wind up doing something stupid and have to reboot.. heh.. last few times I rebooted I was at 7 days |
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| 21:19.03 | nvz | ok, well nobody is coming up with better ideas.. so I'm going nuclear :P |
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| 21:20.00 | teraflops | nvz: missing context? are you getting artifacts while in xorg? |
| 21:20.03 | nvz | hmm.. the dd method just blanked the screen and then redrew the damn green square.. had a feeling that would happen |
| 21:20.17 | teraflops | nvz: is the device swapping? |
| 21:20.19 | nvz | teraflops: its on fb even when I go to tty1 |
| 21:20.31 | nvz | teraflops: vlc crashed, the video output is stuck on the screen |
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| 21:20.51 | teraflops | yeah, is the device swapping? using a lot of swap? |
| 21:21.03 | nvz | teraflops: about 6mb.. this device is always swapping it only has 496MB ram |
| 21:21.09 | teraflops | hmm |
| 21:21.16 | nvz | teraflops: 91mb ram in use |
| 21:21.23 | teraflops | I recall same issue, was about swap |
| 21:21.35 | tremon | that outcome was definitely unexpected |
| 21:22.09 | nvz | na, I've had it happen before.. when you have to use FB and its some rube hack of a video driver this sort of things is expected if an app crashes |
| 21:22.26 | nvz | the puzzling part is how to get this off the fb |
| 21:22.38 | tremon | restart vlc and have it exit cleanly? |
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| 21:22.56 | nvz | doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fb0 only cleaned the fb then redrew that green square |
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| 21:23.19 | nvz | tremon: well yeah, that was the first thing I did..e ven played a video and it didnt help |
| 21:23.29 | tremon | yes that was the unexpected part. I had expected no effect, or permanent blackness |
| 21:23.50 | tremon | not temporary-fix-then-corruption-again |
| 21:24.26 | tremon | is some vlc or fb process still running? |
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| 21:24.29 | nvz | well thats whats puzzling is that its clearly not in the FB its somewhere else |
| 21:24.53 | nvz | digs around to see what processes linger |
| 21:25.17 | tremon | it may be that once a program opens /dev/fb0 and writes to it, it takes control of the framebuffer and the kernel saves the original fb contents |
| 21:25.24 | tremon | then restores them when the app exits |
| 21:26.04 | tremon | in that case, maybe lsof /dev/fb0 or fuser can help? |
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| 21:27.26 | nvz | nothing strange in my processes, init, agetty, dhclient, xorg, tint2, sawfish, bash, lxterm, ssh, dbus, gvfsd, orange, ntp, rsyslogd, gpm, thd, cgmanager, policykit, lircd.. |
| 21:27.36 | nvz | tremon: ah right.. that makes sense |
| 21:28.27 | nvz | it must just be stuck in xorg somewhere cause thats all lsof shows |
| 21:28.38 | nvz | I'll restart nodm |
| 21:30.26 | nvz | nope, even trying to wipe the fb while nodm was stopped didnt make it go away.. it further corrupted the data though its now a more rainbow colored square |
| 21:30.40 | nvz | and as I type and press enter on this terminal its changing colors now |
| 21:31.04 | tremon | psychedelic terminal! |
| 21:31.21 | annadane | have you ever been experienced? |
| 21:31.23 | nvz | gotta go talk to some people more familiar with this hardware |
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| 21:33.37 | nvz | its gotta be in the driver then somehow.. which doesnt really make any sense so.. its no longer a debian issue cause debian developers didn't make this crapfest of a fb hack |
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| 21:42.25 | awal1 | stretch release notes "Only the gdm3 display manager supports running X as a non-privileged user in stretch. Other display managers will always run X as root" |
| 21:42.40 | awal1 | "always" means? |
| 21:43.54 | nvz | awal1: always means X runs as root. I'm using nodm which starts X, nodm runs as the user, but X is running as root |
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| 21:48.29 | Iwantknow | When I used debian jessie the back panel sound did not work. I upgraded to stretch and now the sound front panel does not work. |
| 21:48.52 | awal1 | nvz, i use startx for start X (as reglar user). "always" means "sddm, xdm, lightdm... haveno plans for have support for start X as regular user"? |
| 21:49.06 | awal1 | that was the meaning of my question :P |
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| 21:53.05 | jhamlin | Hi folks, When I plug in a external (ext4) drive via usb, it gets automounted as root. I'm hoping someone could point me in the right direction to make it automount as me (user) instead. |
| 21:53.57 | annadane | sounds like a job for chown |
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| 21:57.44 | Paul-- | hello |
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| 21:57.49 | sypher | annadane: What? |
| 21:57.50 | Paul-- | ! |
| 21:57.55 | Senro | ? |
| 21:57.57 | Paul-- | !access point |
| 21:58.06 | annadane | oh, automount though |
| 21:58.11 | annadane | not sure if that translates |
| 21:58.16 | sypher | annadane: chown and mount are unrelated. |
| 21:58.17 | annadane | Paul--, hi, what do you need help with? |
| 21:58.43 | Paul-- | how make a access point with debian and a wifi card that support it? |
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| 21:59.17 | Paul-- | I must analize the traffic of smarthphone, ecc |
| 21:59.26 | sypher | jhamlin: Depending on your autofs configuration, you can specify a "uid" or "gid" flag to the mount options that defines who owns the mount. |
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| 22:00.19 | Senro | there is an option you can click on when you select your connection in the networkmanager applet |
| 22:01.27 | Paul-- | this guide is right : https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/ |
| 22:01.44 | Paul-- | anybody know comething about it ? |
| 22:01.54 | Paul-- | something |
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| 22:02.23 | Senro | I know there is an option that comes with debian if you go to the first page of the settings |
| 22:02.33 | Senro | a big button called "use as hotspot" |
| 22:02.48 | Senro | at least gnome |
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| 22:07.02 | jhamlin | sypher: very helpful - I think I'm on the right track now. Thanks! |
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| 22:23.32 | foul_owl | How do I create a /dev/shm? |
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| 22:24.19 | annadane | foul_owl, what makes you think you need a /dev/shm, aka what are you trying to do? |
| 22:24.45 | foul_owl | Here is a full explanation: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f00473ef952f468efd881c18fd629b02 |
| 22:25.00 | foul_owl | Basically ansible can't run during the install process without /dev/shm |
| 22:25.24 | foul_owl | I'm repacking some isos with my ansible playbooks to do a full automated install |
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| 22:28.04 | foul_owl | The best I can tell is that I have to do: chroot /target ln -s /run/shm /dev/shm |
| 22:28.26 | foul_owl | But I don't know if /run/shm exists in /target |
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| 22:30.31 | tremon | note: d-i has an "in-target" command, you don't need "chroot $pathtotarget" |
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| 22:31.09 | foul_owl | Ah awesome, good to know, thank you |
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| 22:31.25 | foul_owl | Can you do multiple in-target commands? |
| 22:31.39 | foul_owl | Or does it have to be just one long one at the end seperated by semicolons? |
| 22:31.48 | tremon | not sure, I think the latter |
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| 22:38.42 | foul_owl | Thank you! I'll just go with that for now :) |
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| 22:38.54 | foul_owl | I wish I learned about preseeding 10 years ago, haha |
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| 22:58.29 | tremon | oh I think I misread your question. Yes, you can certainly run multiple in-target commands |
| 22:59.10 | tremon | I'm just not sure if you can issue multiple commands with the same in-target run; I think you need to do something like in-target sh -c "a;b;c" for that |
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| 23:17.55 | Noldorin | Is there an equivalent of --names-only (apt-cache) for apt? |
| 23:18.01 | Noldorin | i.e. that doesn't do a full-text search |
| 23:19.15 | Noldorin | Also, should I be using apt or aptitude from the command line these days? |
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| 23:34.40 | petn-randall | Noldorin: Whichever one works better for you. aptitude has an interactive mode, apt doesn't. |
| 23:34.57 | Noldorin | yeah, I just noticed it has a terminal UI :-) |
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| 23:35.10 | Noldorin | they both seem sufficiently high-level though for workaday use. thanks, petn-randall |
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| 23:35.50 | petn-randall | Noldorin: I tend to use aptitude for bigger installation orgies, or very picky system upgrades. apt for day-to-day small package installatoins. |
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| 23:36.22 | kaizoku | i turn to aptitude when there's strange dependency conflicts |
| 23:36.28 | kaizoku | it tends to give more in depth explanations |
| 23:36.55 | petn-randall | This ^^^. Also, you can resolve the conflict interactively. |
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| 23:50.19 | Arahael | I used to try to use aptitude for even small package installations day to day. |
| 23:50.47 | Arahael | But now they both mark packages as 'auto-installed to satisfy a dependency', so the difference is somewhat less significant. |
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