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| 00:14.26 | Maid-Chan | how do you SSH to a different account on another computer? like pi on raspberry pi? |
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| 00:15.36 | toruvinn | Maid-Chan, ssh user@host ? |
| 00:15.41 | limbo | ssh account@host |
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| 00:15.48 | limbo | Or ssh -l account host |
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| 00:16.40 | Maid-Chan | well that was easy. and yeah you guys were right. :P didn't see it till after trying it though. :P |
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| 00:17.10 | Maid-Chan | it's nice when things are so intuitive. wasn't linux supposed to be unintuitive? :P |
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| 00:19.28 | limbo | Everything makes sense. If it didn't, someone would have gotten annoyed enough to make it more intuitive. |
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| 00:20.11 | annadane | windows is unintuitive. |
| 00:20.13 | limbo | Command line stuff has a bit of a notch on its learning curve as you must learn how to learn more effectively. |
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| 00:25.45 | Maid-Chan | crap. i cant remember where the 'start menu' program launchers are stored... |
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| 00:39.04 | limbo | what desktop environment? |
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| 00:41.02 | limbo | probably /usr/share/applications/ |
| 00:43.08 | Maid-Chan | xfce sorry for the delay. but yeah i found them. Thanx though. |
| 00:45.35 | Maid-Chan | oh here's a big one. I'm learning japanese so need an IME so I can type Hyragana. Does anyone know how to install such a thing? |
| 00:45.51 | bazhang | ibus |
| 00:46.35 | Maid-Chan | so just sudo apt install ibus? |
| 00:47.17 | bazhang | it has various langugae packs |
| 00:47.37 | bazhang | you will be asked to install those after |
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| 00:56.44 | nurupo | this is weird |
| 00:57.10 | nurupo | i have updated Testing recently, it updated plasma-desktop from 5.8 to 5.10 |
| 00:57.43 | nurupo | `dpkg -s plasma-desktop` shows "Status: install ok installed" and "Version: 4:5.10.5-2" |
| 00:57.54 | nurupo | yet everything else shows that i run plasma 5.8 |
| 00:58.16 | nurupo | plasmashell --version |
| 00:58.16 | nurupo | >plasmashell 5.8.7 |
| 00:58.42 | nurupo | kinfocenter shows 5.8 too |
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| 01:13.43 | nurupo | oh, i see |
| 01:13.46 | nurupo | not everything got updated to 5.10 |
| 01:13.50 | nurupo | KInfoCenter itself stuck at 5.8 |
| 01:13.52 | nurupo | https://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kinfocenter.html |
| 01:14.54 | Maid-Chan | is there a way to create more menu categories in xfce? wouldn't mind having wine apps in their own. |
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| 01:17.57 | somiaj | Maid-Chan: I belive xfce just uses the .desktop files to generate the menus, so you can create your own .desktop files and put them in .local/menu or something like that |
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| 01:20.08 | macrocat | Hello. My graphics driver appears to be supporting OpenGL 2.0. I checked a few pages on the Internet that seem to imply my GPU can handle at least OpenGL 3.3. How would I go about using the newer version of OpenGL? My graphics card is the NVidia GeForce 310M and I'm using the 340xx legacy drivers from the Debian repository. |
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| 01:22.56 | somiaj | what gforce card do you have? It could be that the legacy drivers only support 2.0 |
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| 01:23.01 | neoromantique | hello |
| 01:23.22 | bazhang | hi |
| 01:23.56 | macrocat | 310M. I did a search and found people on other distros running it with OpenGL 3. |
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| 01:40.26 | Maid-Chan | is there some way to test my mic and speakers? |
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| 01:42.46 | crimsonmane | Maid-Chan: open the sound preferences from the speaker icon, there are meters to show activity |
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| 02:14.13 | rue_bed | when gnome crashes, it breaks a setting and causes the panel and icon tray theme image settings to break, and a bunch of it comes up black, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:19.16 | bazhang | rue_bed, what version of debian |
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| 03:16.02 | Maid-Chan | is it possible to make it so if you open application menu in xfce and start typing for it to basically mimic the behavior of application finder? |
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| 03:29.51 | debber | TrapMaid: for a text editor, i like Geany, and it's pretty similar to Notepad++ |
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| 03:44.24 | orb | hmm |
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| 03:54.10 | afidegnum | i m trying to run a php file on a localhost but i m still facing error, can anyone please assist? here is my config at `sites-available` folder http://paste.ubuntu.com/25584061/ |
| 03:54.26 | annadane | afidegnum, are you on ubuntu? |
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| 03:55.33 | afidegnum | no debian jessie |
| 03:55.40 | annadane | ah, okay |
| 03:56.02 | afidegnum | i m tryin on my ubuntu pc too and no response, |
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| 03:58.41 | Maid-Chan | is it safe to change my username in the passwd file? |
| 04:01.07 | limbo | Kind-of. There's a lot of other places where that'll break things though. |
| 04:01.14 | limbo | What're you trying to do? |
| 04:01.37 | Maid-Chan | i realized that i may want to stream my computer and having my real name everywhere would be undesirable. |
| 04:02.44 | somiaj | Maid-Chan: The username will appear in other files through out the system, so there will be issues if you just change your name there. |
| 04:03.00 | somiaj | Maid-Chan: and you may want to hunt down each place it was changed, might be easier to create another user |
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| 04:04.55 | dvs | creates the mvuser command |
| 04:05.39 | Maid-Chan | ? |
| 04:07.32 | somiaj | you cuold do a grep for the user name and go change it if really desired. Creating a new user and removing the old user may work too. |
| 04:07.42 | somiaj | you should also worry about the group in /etc/group |
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| 04:10.03 | debber | bear in mind that the core of the OS itself, like the file permission etc, all refer to your user by its numerical UID and not the name, so that simplifies the process a lot - whatever new name you use, as long as it has the same UID number, it will have largely the same role within the core parts of the OS (probably) |
| 04:10.08 | limbo | Maid-Chan: It's easier to just make a new user account, and copy the entirity of your home folder. |
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| 04:13.51 | debber | just to check in again: nobody has any idea how i might be able to share a directory (and not a disk image file) with a guest Stretch system hosted with virt-manager or AQEMU? |
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| 04:14.10 | debber | using QEMU+KVM |
| 04:14.30 | somiaj | debber: what is the host? I just use ssh to copy files between my vms. |
| 04:14.35 | somiaj | well scp via ssh. |
| 04:14.39 | debber | host is also Stretch |
| 04:14.56 | debber | i guess NFS could do what i want, that way, but it seems klunky |
| 04:15.12 | somiaj | are you using libvirt? |
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| 04:15.23 | debber | yeah i am, through virt-manager |
| 04:15.46 | somiaj | http://rabexc.org/posts/p9-setup-in-libvirt |
| 04:16.05 | somiaj | seems you can configure this in libvirt, you may have to use virsh or edit the .xml file though, unsure on the detail. |
| 04:16.25 | debber | yeah that may be my next step |
| 04:17.43 | debber | thanks somiaj |
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| 04:40.08 | ti994a | can get korean fonts to work in firefox esr. trying to figure out if this is a debian issue or a firefox issue |
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| 04:43.21 | toruvinn | ti994a, do korean fonts work for you in other apps? |
| 04:43.56 | ti994a | toruvinn: not sure. only use them in firefox |
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| 04:45.12 | akloster | Options > General > languages > select a language to add |
| 04:45.19 | akloster | that didnt do nurfin? |
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| 04:48.21 | ti994a | here is a good example https://kr.search.yahoo.com/ |
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| 06:57.15 | blingrang | Hi, I'm using proxychains to ssh into a server, but keep getting "Too many authentication failures" even though I'm specifiying the key with the "-i" switch. Why is it trying all of my keys instead of the one I specify? |
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| 06:57.27 | themill | jim: uswsusp is probably the least supported method. /msg dpkg hibernate |
| 06:58.57 | jim | doed it |
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| 07:12.34 | jb__ | why is there no nonfree kde iso on the weekly builds page? |
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| 07:14.48 | jelly | jb__: are there ANY non-free weekly builds at all? |
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| 07:15.48 | jb__ | jelly: yes every other DE has an iso available on the page im looking at |
| 07:16.03 | jb__ | well not EVERY one but the major players |
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| 07:16.57 | jelly | which page is that |
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| 07:17.07 | jb__ | the 64 bit live images page is what im looking at |
| 07:17.13 | jelly | which URL ? |
| 07:17.23 | jb__ | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 07:17.31 | jb__ | whoops |
| 07:17.37 | jelly | half of that, gotcha |
| 07:18.17 | jelly | jb__: log shows the build failed at some point with errors |
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| 07:19.10 | jb__ | so I may have actually drawn attention to an actual issue this time and not just my own stupidity? yay ^.^ |
| 07:19.30 | jelly | not really, not unless you file a bug report |
| 07:19.43 | jelly | or wait a week and see if it gets better |
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| 07:19.57 | jb__ | i checked last week and it was missing then too |
| 07:21.28 | jelly | contact the debian-cd team then, they seem to be responsible for those automated builds |
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| 07:22.19 | themill | the kde live image has been utterly busted for a while |
| 07:22.34 | themill | not sure if it's fixed now |
| 07:23.34 | jelly | whether the result is busted even after that _apt user thing gets fixed is hard to say |
| 07:24.33 | jb__ | well if people already know then i guess there's no use bothering them |
| 07:25.03 | jb__ | debian is the best OS btw i love this community |
| 07:25.23 | jelly | the free live kde build log shows the same issue |
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| 07:26.53 | jelly | but that may well be a red herring |
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| 07:45.00 | HauM1 | where do i find lastest changelog of oldstable linux-image? |
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| 07:47.27 | jelly | HauM1: run apt-get update, then aptitude changelog packagename, eg. aptitude changelog linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:47.54 | HauM1 | aptitude changelog linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:47.54 | HauM1 | Err Changelog of linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:47.57 | HauM1 | E: Changelog download failed: 404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:1b::204 80] |
| 07:48.00 | HauM1 | Err Changelog of linux |
| 07:48.03 | HauM1 | E: Changelog download failed: 404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:1b::204 80] |
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| 07:48.16 | jelly | wfm :> |
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| 07:48.39 | jelly | HauM1: did you do an update before that |
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| 07:49.18 | rue_house | kicked for saying too much |
| 07:49.23 | jelly | a changelog for "linux (3.16.43-2+deb8u4) jessie-security; urgency=high" appears for me |
| 07:49.35 | HauM1 | jelly: sorry for the flood. |
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| 07:50.01 | HauM1 | jelly: yes i did |
| 07:50.11 | themill | possibly only after you've installed it will that work |
| 07:50.19 | jelly | HauM1: what does "uname -r" say |
| 07:50.43 | AndreasLutro | it might not be linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 for you, the version depends on your debian version. apply common sense |
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| 07:51.24 | HauM1 | jelly: 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:52.30 | jelly | oh well. |
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| 07:53.18 | themill | HauM1: the package version (uname -v) would be handy |
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| 07:54.30 | jelly | you could visit http://tracker.debian.org/linux then, click on old-sec: 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 (left side), then click on Debian changelog (right side), then you also get a 404 |
| 07:54.44 | jelly | spots REGRESSIONS |
| 07:54.55 | HauM1 | #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) |
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| 07:55.40 | jelly | since tracker shows 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 you might as well wait until that one appears in the repos |
| 07:56.04 | jelly | instead of installing 3.16.43-2+deb8u4 available right now |
| 07:56.06 | HauM1 | jelly: apt list --upgradable |
| 07:56.13 | HauM1 | linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/oldstable 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.16.43-2+deb8u3] |
| 07:56.28 | HauM1 | is should be in my repos |
| 07:56.43 | HauM1 | but no changelog |
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| 07:57.49 | HauM1 | i have sreached in debian's kernel git too |
| 07:57.52 | HauM1 | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git |
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| 07:58.24 | HauM1 | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/commit/?h=debian/3.16.43-2%2bdeb8u5&id=55661c918ed1320eafc0822aaf960372ba67a712 |
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| 07:59.12 | themill | https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux/changelog-3.16.43-2%2Bdeb8u5 is there |
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| 08:00.18 | HauM1 | themill: cool, thx |
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| 08:06.23 | JZA | hi how can I restart ngnix? |
| 08:07.22 | n0p_ | sudo systemctl restart nginx |
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| 08:22.23 | johney | hello folks, from where I can download debian 8 .iso |
| 08:22.37 | Ericounet | www.debian.org |
| 08:22.58 | Ericounet | archives section |
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| 08:24.32 | rue_bed | bazhang, from what I can tell, all versions |
| 08:24.49 | johney | Ericounet: i can't see any archive section |
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| 08:25.21 | rue_bed | I have 5 machines, all different, its happened to gnome on all of them (sooner or later someting crashes X, and gnome gets mutzed up) |
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| 08:27.14 | johney | from whereI can download debian 8? |
| 08:27.49 | petn-randall | johney: Is there a reason you don't want to use the latest stable release? |
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| 08:28.26 | johney | No, I just want to use debian 8, I have already the latest one, in another PC |
| 08:28.33 | Ericounet | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 08:30.30 | petn-randall | johney: Ericounet beat me to it. I'd pick 8.9.0, it comes with all the security und bugfix updates up until July. |
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| 08:31.39 | johney | Alright thanks guys |
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| 08:41.20 | zafu | hi, how do I configure my keyboard layout for X11 in debian? |
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| 08:46.11 | jelly | !keymap |
| 08:46.11 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 08:46.24 | zafu | thanks! |
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| 10:30.56 | zackbrown | I've got a standard Debian install. uname -a gives "Linux paris 4.12.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.12.6-1 (2017-08-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux". I bought an HDMI monitor, but when I plug it in and connect the cable to my laptop, it doesn't receive an image. I'm using FVWM and I'm trying to figure out how to make it work. I've searched a lot on Google, but haven't found anything that helps. I've confirmed that the monitor works with other comp |
| 10:30.56 | zackbrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.05 | zackbrown | My best guess is that my kernel doesn't support HDMI. But I don't see a debian package with a kernel that does. |
| 10:32.31 | AndreasLutro | HDMI support is entirely up to your graphics driver. can you plug in the cable, run `xrandr -q` in a terminal, and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ or some other pastebin? |
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| 10:35.48 | zackbrown | http://paste.debian.net/987088/ |
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| 10:39.51 | zackbrown | AndreasLutro: does that seem meaningful? It definitely seems to have no HDMI in there. |
| 10:39.51 | AndreasLutro | yeah your graphics driver doesn't seem to detect the HDMI at all |
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| 10:40.30 | zackbrown | It's just a standard debian install, but I thought Linux tended to pick the right driver by default. |
| 10:40.44 | AndreasLutro | it does yep. you could just have an unconventional card |
| 10:41.34 | zackbrown | it's a Samsung Odyssey notebook |
| 10:41.46 | zackbrown | Geforce GTX 1050 |
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| 10:42.41 | hekz | Install 9.1.0 now :) |
| 10:42.52 | AndreasLutro | you can try installing the proprietary drivers instead. apt install nvida-detect and run it |
| 10:43.48 | zackbrown | "No NVIDIA GPU detected." |
| 10:44.15 | AndreasLutro | uh oh |
| 10:44.18 | AndreasLutro | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 10:44.21 | AndreasLutro | what does that say? |
| 10:44.33 | zackbrown | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04) |
| 10:44.50 | AndreasLutro | ok so your computer has 2 graphics cards, but linux is only detecting the intel one |
| 10:45.05 | AndreasLutro | I guess that's your problem. don't know how to fix it though. google around |
| 10:45.29 | zackbrown | that must be it. |
| 10:45.39 | zackbrown | thanks for the pointers! |
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| 10:47.58 | Pricey | How do I figure out the various metadata pieces required in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ? e.g. archive/suite/component |
| 10:50.55 | zackbrown | if lspci doesn't detect my graphics card, does that rule out the xorg server as the problem? Is it definitely a kernel issue at that point? |
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| 11:21.41 | ebanytiy | pidorasy |
| 11:21.50 | ebanytiy | kto sasat` budet |
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| 11:22.00 | ebanytiy | pidrily |
| 11:22.04 | ebanytiy | ebaniye |
| 11:22.18 | ebanytiy | rot vach ebal syki |
| 11:25.06 | bazhang | ebanytiy, english here |
| 11:25.28 | ebanytiy | . bazhang . sosi hui eblan ebaniy |
| 11:25.37 | ebanytiy | . bazhang . rot tvoy ebal |
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| 11:26.31 | ebanytiy|aw | is back (3secs) |
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| 11:27.08 | zackbrown | I booted into recovery mode, and my HDMI monitor worked fine. But booting back into my regular system, it didn't work anymore. |
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| 11:30.03 | ebanytiy | Ñй1 пидаÑаÑÑ |
| 11:30.07 | ebanytiy | Ð²Ñ Ñо аÑ
Ñели? |
| 11:30.11 | ebanytiy | ÑлÑÑ
и ебанÑе |
| 11:30.15 | ebanytiy | ÑÑÑ Ð²Ð°Ñи ебал |
| 11:30.19 | ebanytiy | пÑÐºÐ°Ð½Ñ Ð²ÐµÑÑел |
| 11:30.22 | ebanytiy | ÑÑки |
| 11:30.33 | annadane | !ru |
| 11:30.33 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 11:30.35 | annadane | ebanytiy, ^ |
| 11:31.58 | dontknow | hackers run unsigned code in ME. https://www.blackhat.com/eu-17/briefings/schedule/#how-to-hack-a-turned-off-computer-or-running-unsigned-code-in-intel-management-engine-8668 |
| 11:32.21 | annadane | dontknow, great topic for #debian-offtopic. not so much here |
| 11:32.35 | dontknow | ok |
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| 11:32.55 | tobiasBora | Hello |
| 11:33.27 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to install coq, but I cannot because of the following error: |
| 11:33.32 | tobiasBora | coq : Dépend: ocaml-best-compilers |
| 11:33.59 | tobiasBora | (I'm running testing) |
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| 11:34.33 | annadane | tobiasBora, testing goes in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:35.13 | ebanytiy | . tobiasBora . Ñ
оÑеÑÑ ÑÐ²Ð¾Ñ Ð¼Ð°Ð¼Ñ Ð²ÑебÑ? |
| 11:35.30 | ebanytiy | . annadane . иди наÑ
Ñй |
| 11:35.40 | ebanytiy | . dpkg . паÑÑл ÑÑ Ð½Ð°Ñ
Ñй,Ð¿Ð¸Ð´Ð¾Ñ |
| 11:35.41 | tobiasBora | annadane: Thanks |
| 11:35.50 | annadane | ebanytiy, i do not speak russian; this is an english channel |
| 11:36.02 | annadane | ebanytiy, please go to #debian-russian |
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| 11:37.49 | ebanytiy | . annadane . иди наÑ
Ñй,ÑÑ ÑÑ Ð´Ð¾ Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð´Ð¾ÐµÐ±Ð°Ð»ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¸ÑÑÑ
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| 11:39.24 | bazhang | ebanytiy, thats enough |
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| 11:40.32 | ebanytiy | . bazhang . Ñ
Ñли Ñебе надо демон ебанÑй? |
| 11:40.49 | bazhang | thats not nice |
| 11:41.57 | ebanytiy | . bazhang . Ñего блÑÑÑ?ÐамаÑÑ ÑÐ²Ð¾Ñ Ð²ÑебаÑÑ? |
| 11:43.21 | bazhang | пожалÑйÑÑа оÑÑановиÑÑ ebanytiy |
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| 11:43.37 | Sveta | ebanytiy: не маÑеÑиÑÑ, обÑаÑиÑеÑÑ Ðº #debian-ru #debian-russian |
| 11:43.53 | ebanytiy | . bazhang . иди наÑ
Ñй |
| 11:43.55 | Sveta | ebanytiy: на ÑеÑи oftc #debian-russian болÑÑой и Ñам можно маÑеÑиÑÑÑÑ |
| 11:43.57 | Sveta | они ÑазÑеÑаÑÑ |
| 11:44.08 | ebanytiy | . Sveta . мадам,поÑлиÑе ÑпокаÑÑÑÑ? |
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| 11:44.25 | Sveta | заÑ
оди ÑÑда, Ñогда конеÑно) |
| 11:44.41 | ebanytiy | . Sveta . давай пÑÑм ÑÑÑ ÐµÐ±Ð°Ñа? |
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| 11:45.56 | ebanytiy | Ð²Ñ Ñо пидаÑÑ Ð½Ðµ обÑаеÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð¶Ðµ |
| 11:46.01 | ebanytiy | Ñ
одиÑе Ñ
одиÑе |
| 11:46.06 | ebanytiy | Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ кÑÑÐ³Ñ Ð¿ÑÑÑиÑÑ Ñоли? |
| 11:46.23 | Sveta | `v coq |
| 11:46.30 | Sveta | ,v coq |
| 11:46.31 | judd | Package: coq on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.3.pl4+dfsg-2; jessie: 8.4pl4dfsg-1; stretch: 8.6-4; buster: 8.6-4+b1; sid: 8.6-4+b1 |
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| 11:46.44 | dimir | ÐбаÑÑ |
| 11:46.56 | Sveta | tobiasBora: could you pastebin your entire error message please ( and specify debian version ) thanks |
| 11:47.24 | ebanytiy | . dimir . Ñ
Ñле? |
| 11:47.28 | tobiasBora | Sveta: https://paste.debian.net/987094/ |
| 11:47.30 | abrotman | ebanytiy: English, please |
| 11:47.34 | Sveta | tobiasBora: thank you, looking at it now |
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| 11:47.46 | bazhang | he's had near on ten warnings |
| 11:47.51 | abrotman | That was the last |
| 11:47.55 | ebanytiy | . abrotman . да Ð½Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñ
Ñй,давай ÑÑÑÑиÑ,вÑÐ¾Ñ ÐµÐ±Ð°ÑÑ Ð°Ð½Ð³Ð»Ð¸Ð¹Ñкий |
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| 11:51.15 | Sveta | tobiasBora: if you 'apt-get update', then re-try the original command, does it still face issues? |
| 11:51.33 | annadane | Sveta, tobias is getting help in #next; he's on sid |
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| 11:52.33 | tobiasBora | Sveta: that's what annadane told me on #next, I'm running that |
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| 11:52.49 | Sveta | thank you guys, this is wonderful |
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| 12:15.02 | xdije | hi |
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| 12:15.57 | xdije | during the installation of debian9 i got the message that ql2400_fw.bin need to be downloaded and loaded from a usb or floppy, and i skipped it, |
| 12:16.08 | xdije | how can i do it after installation is finished |
| 12:16.27 | xdije | i tried to use apt search ql2400 but couldnt find anything |
| 12:18.22 | petn-randall | xdije: 'apt-file search ql2400_fw.bin' will tell you, it's in firmware-qlogic, which is in the non-free section. |
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| 12:19.00 | xdije | i dont have the command apt-file |
| 12:19.14 | annadane | install it |
| 12:19.15 | gpunk | <xdije> apt install apt-file |
| 12:19.15 | petn-randall | xdije: Install it with 'apt install apt-file'. |
| 12:19.33 | xdije | i just did |
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| 12:19.40 | xdije | i will check now |
| 12:19.41 | petn-randall | !non-free |
| 12:19.41 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:19.48 | petn-randall | !non-free sources |
| 12:19.49 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 13:13.51 | afidegnum | hello, what's the defaut path to each command? i removed the symlink to drush by rm but still having the drush command running |
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| 13:17.21 | debber | afidegnum: most programs/commands are located in /bin/, /sbin/, /usr/bin, or /usr/sbin |
| 13:17.52 | afidegnum | ok |
| 13:18.49 | debber | there's a kernel security update for the default Stretch kernel out today, folks may want to upgrade and then reboot |
| 13:19.00 | debber | as i will momentarily |
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| 13:30.09 | Ashraf | any help on netbeans |
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| 13:30.48 | tw | does it fix the l2cap stuff? |
| 13:30.50 | tw | I hope it does. |
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| 13:33.29 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:33.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:33.54 | petn-randall | Ashraf: Start with asking a question, you can use the above factoid as a guideline. |
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| 13:35.43 | tw | ,v linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 |
| 13:35.44 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.30-2+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.30-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 |
| 13:36.02 | Ashraf | i have a problem with netbeans, it shows JDK is not found and i have it on my system.....because it show me that i have when i type java -version in the terminal.. |
| 13:38.45 | tw | yes, it (4.9.30-2+deb9u4) does include the fix for cve-2017-1000251 |
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| 13:48.05 | blanix | is there a way to keep app in 'xterm -e 'read app;${=app}' alive since its a gui app? |
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| 13:49.19 | tw | you mean not close after the shell exits? |
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| 13:51.26 | EriC^^ | blanix: use nohup ${app} |
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| 13:52.42 | blanix | EriC^^: thanks! |
| 13:52.50 | EriC^^ | np |
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| 13:56.06 | librebooter_157_ | I'm trying to install Debian Stretch on an Asus C201 Chromebook, following the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201#Useful_Links. |
| 13:57.09 | librebooter_157_ | I'm stuck on the step that requires CONFIG_VT to be enabled in the kernel; I don't know how to recompile the kernel, to enable this module, and how this fits in with the guide's instructions. Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 13:58.36 | themill | CONFIG_VT=y is already compiled in Debian kernels |
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| 14:01.29 | librebooter_157_ | How do I use that kernel, instead of the Chrome OS one? |
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| 14:03.53 | shtrb | *smartcity |
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| 14:20.13 | DotHack | any makefiles expoerts in here? |
| 14:20.23 | DotHack | or should i join another channel for this? |
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| 14:21.51 | shtrb | !ask |
| 14:21.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:24.55 | librebooter_157_ | <dpkg>I'm stuck on the step that requires CONFIG_VT to be enabled in the kernel; I don't know how to recompile the kernel, to enable this module, and how this fits in with the guide's instructions. Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 14:25.13 | librebooter_157_ | <dpkg>I'm trying to install Debian Stretch on an Asus C201 Chromebook, following the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201#Useful_Links. |
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| 14:25.28 | DotHack | I have some cobol source code with some files that have a dash in is.. problem is that the compiler translates the dash in the object to an underscore. Now i am having trouble to compile these files because the target as an underscore and the prerequisite has a dash... i have tries to use $(subst etc but i am not able to get the rule to match.. |
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| 14:26.36 | shtrb | librebooter_157_ you are searching for .config file , stretch is slightly old I think |
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| 14:27.45 | librebooter_157_ | shtrb, I'm trying to install Debian 9: 9.1 (I thought the codename was still Stretch). |
| 14:27.49 | shtrb | ignore my last mesage |
| 14:27.54 | shtrb | *message , |
| 14:28.06 | shtrb | I somehow read it as etch |
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| 14:33.46 | shtrb | librebooter_1517_ , to learn about .config (building a kernel on debian https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html ) but I doubt you need to do so |
| 14:33.58 | shtrb | *and building a kernel on debian |
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| 14:35.39 | shtrb | you can also use make menuconfig (to have a nice ui for it ) |
| 14:35.47 | tw | DotHack: going to need more of an example to go off to understand what you need. |
| 14:36.35 | shtrb | DotHack , put the files in quotes like "abc-def" |
| 14:37.51 | DotHack | tw: example: my cobol filename is source-code.cbl. the compiler compiles this to source_code.class. so whenever i run my makefile that has a %.class: %.cbl rules it always rebuilds.. |
| 14:41.00 | tw | can you specify the output file manually for the compiler? |
| 14:41.09 | tw | that'd save you a lot of effort, I think. |
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| 14:43.24 | DotHack | tw: alas... already searched for that |
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| 14:44.40 | tw | Can you share your suffix rule block for %.class? |
| 14:44.51 | tw | and is this gmake? |
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| 14:54.34 | leo_ | i am new |
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| 14:55.45 | DotHack | tw: how do i know it is gmake? |
| 14:56.04 | tw | make -v usually |
| 14:56.14 | tw | if it says gnu make, it's gmake. |
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| 14:56.57 | DotHack | tw: GNU make 4.2.1 |
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| 15:15.29 | CLNinja | So I'm on debian (Linux MATT-PC 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux) and my steam stopped working completely. I've tried removing libgcc and one other library from the steam install that I've read has been a solution elsewhere. Anyone have any input that might fix it? |
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| 15:15.40 | DotHack | tw: thanks again! |
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| 15:17.02 | petn-randall | CLNinja: It would help if you start describing how steam doesn't work. When you run it from the commandline, what errors do you get? |
| 15:17.31 | CLNinja | htop shows the process still running, so let me go stop it (otherwise it just says "already running") |
| 15:18.37 | CLNinja | libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found as well as libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast |
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| 15:19.03 | CLNinja | But it still starts the processes and keeps them running |
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| 15:20.21 | petn-randall | CLNinja: Is that the complete output? |
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| 15:21.08 | digitalice_ | Hello! |
| 15:21.22 | CLNinja | it tells me "Running Steam on debian 9 64-bit, STEAM RUNTIME is enabled automatically, Pins up-to-date! and then Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(1504757234), then the errors |
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| 15:22.07 | petn-randall | CLNinja: Can you paste the commandline + output to https://paste.debian.net? |
| 15:23.00 | CLNinja | https://paste.debian.net/987146/ |
| 15:23.45 | petn-randall | CLNinja: Did you install steam via apt from the stable repositories, or by some other means? |
| 15:24.26 | CLNinja | My friend helped me set it up, he sent me a .deb to install from, so im not entirely sure. |
| 15:25.01 | CLNinja | It literally worked earlier today which is why im confused |
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| 15:26.08 | CLNinja | Right, i think i remember. He didnt give me the .deb, it was from steams site, then i installed the version in apt on top to get the launcher working |
| 15:27.16 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:27.16 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:27.52 | petn-randall | CLNinja: Ok, let's debug this. Can you provide the info from above? For 2. use 'apt-cache policy steam'. |
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| 15:39.20 | digitalice_ | Hello, I would like to update an old debian squeeze ... right now source list are pointed to deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze contrib main non-free |
| 15:39.25 | digitalice_ | any suggestion? |
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| 15:44.42 | qman | digitalice_: you'll need to perform each major upgrade in order - upgrade to wheezy, then jessie, then stretch |
| 15:45.27 | digitalice_ | oh boy, things are going to break .... |
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| 15:45.29 | qman | honestly I'd suggest starting over, you're likely to run into enough compatibility problems and major package changes to not make it worth your time |
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| 15:45.39 | sypher | digitalice_: Almost definitely breakage, yes. |
| 15:45.43 | digitalice_ | well, it only has a squid proxy ... |
| 15:45.46 | qman | it'll probably be easier to just build a new system and reconfigure everything |
| 15:45.53 | digitalice_ | is wheezy still supported? |
| 15:46.11 | petn-randall | digitalice_: Read the release notes for jessie, prepare backups, and then upgrade. IMHO dist-upgrades go smooth if you prepare them right. |
| 15:47.07 | qman | if it's only a squid proxy (and nothing else), it'll definitely be easier to just copy your squid config out and rebuild |
| 15:47.40 | qman | and faster, since you'll only need to do one debian install instead of 3 major upgrades |
| 15:47.51 | tadau | or do 'dpkg -l >> my_apps' save your /home and /etc, then a fresh install and reinstall 'my_apps' |
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| 15:49.15 | petn-randall | btw: |
| 15:49.18 | petn-randall | !wheezy-lts |
| 15:49.18 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 15:49.46 | tadau | !jessie-lts |
| 15:49.48 | petn-randall | digitalice_: wheezy is still supported until 2018 . ^^^ |
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| 15:50.21 | petn-randall | tadau: There's no jessie LTS yet since it still gets regular support. |
| 15:50.58 | digitalice_ | ok |
| 15:51.03 | digitalice_ | thanks guys! |
| 15:51.53 | Ormu | i had some problems when using my phone to share internet via USB. First, connection went bad, and reconnecting wasn't successful. This happened after starting a Bittorrent download but that may be a conincidence. I disabled and enabled USB internet sharing from the phone, still no success. Then the phone crashed and rebooted. After that, internet sharing worked again. Here is some dmesg: |
| 15:51.59 | Ormu | https://bpaste.net/show/13d4598e6973 |
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| 15:52.08 | Ormu | how should i interpret that? |
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| 15:53.33 | petn-randall | Ormu: Sounds like your phone's OS has some kernel bugs in it. I'd ask the manufacturer or check for OS updates. |
| 15:54.26 | petn-randall | Ormu: Or is this from a Debian machine? |
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| 15:56.41 | Ormu | yes, Debian computer. The phone is Oneplus 3T (Android/OxygenOS) and I think the system is up to date |
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| 16:00.47 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 16:00.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-trunk-686 (4.13.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.12-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: |
| 16:00.50 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
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| 16:01.57 | petn-randall | Ormu: What does 'uname -v' give you on that machine? |
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| 16:04.07 | jelly | [ 660.925410] NETDEV WATCHDOG: enp0s29u1u1 (rndis_host): transmit queue 0 timed out |
| 16:04.55 | jelly | Ormu: the driver for network-via-usb (rndis_host) stalled and got buggy because the "network card" (ie. the phone) got stalled and buggy |
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| 16:05.57 | jelly | and it finally disconnected some 2 mintes later |
| 16:05.58 | jelly | [ 688.332586] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready |
| 16:05.58 | jelly | [ 875.691922] usb 2-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 5 |
| 16:06.15 | jelly | 3 minutes later |
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| 16:06.38 | jelly | Ormu: use wifi hotspot instead, if you can. |
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| 16:07.35 | jelly | Ormu: you're on ONEPLUS_A3003_16_170821 update? |
| 16:08.05 | jelly | (Settings -> System updates) |
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| 16:09.48 | mefistofeles | hello, there's this nice apt command to know from what mirror a specific package was taken from, I can't remember and can't find it, would you happen to know it? |
| 16:10.02 | mefistofeles | apt-cache <command> <pkg> |
| 16:10.06 | mefistofeles | I think it was from apt-cache |
| 16:10.22 | jelly | mefistofeles: there isn't one, but see apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:10.41 | mefistofeles | there is one, I'm sure, I used it yesterday |
| 16:10.48 | mefistofeles | but yeah, policy may help |
| 16:10.56 | jelly | wanna bet? |
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| 16:11.15 | mefistofeles | well, unless it's some third party thing, but I don't think so |
| 16:11.19 | jelly | once a package is downloaded and installed, apt has no information about the source |
| 16:11.27 | jelly | you can only infer from package versions |
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| 16:11.38 | mefistofeles | ok |
| 16:11.44 | mefistofeles | but yeah, policy do what I need anyways |
| 16:11.47 | mefistofeles | thanks |
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| 16:26.44 | Ikikay | Hi, someone could help me please, I have a gen8 microserv from HP, I have trouble with RAID |
| 16:27.03 | Ikikay | I have a RAID 0 (grappe ?) that is my boot device |
| 16:27.26 | Ikikay | I maked a RAID 1, from 2 HDD, but I don't see my "grappe" on my debian |
| 16:27.41 | Ikikay | I see :Device : /dev/sda( and "b")" |
| 16:27.51 | Ikikay | "Contents : Linux RAID Member (Version 1.2)" |
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| 16:28.17 | petn-randall | Ikikay: What is "grappe"? |
| 16:28.42 | Ikikay | I don't know the namein english :x it's a "group" |
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| 16:30.11 | Ikikay | I don't know how to mount my groupment on one only drive |
| 16:31.09 | petn-randall | Ikikay: Do you have a software or hardware RAID? |
| 16:32.08 | Ikikay | It's integred on my serveur (gen8 g1610t) |
| 16:32.58 | Ormu | petn-randall: uname -v says #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) |
| 16:33.11 | petn-randall | Ikikay: So /dev/sda should be your RAID0, and /dev/sdb your RAID1. Do you see both devices? |
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| 16:33.56 | Ormu | jelly: ONEPLUS A3003_28_170821 |
| 16:34.55 | Ikikay | not really, I have 3 device : /dev/sda, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdd1 my Linux bootable device |
| 16:35.11 | Ikikay | who is alone on a "groupment?" of RAID0 |
| 16:35.22 | Ikikay | (a trick for boot from a SSD with this server) |
| 16:35.26 | Ormu | jelly: USB works well most of the time, in fact, this was the first time when the phone crashed like this. It's often more convenient since it also charges the phone. Is there something fundamentally bad in using USB instead of hotspot? |
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| 16:37.34 | jelly | Ormu: not really, I just think it's less used these days than the wifi option, which means less tested, more buggy |
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| 16:44.27 | Ikikay | no more idea ? |
| 16:44.27 | Ikikay | :/ |
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| 16:48.02 | Ikikay | petn-randall ? |
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| 16:48.49 | petn-randall | Ikikay: I don't understand quite your problem. You've got three devices, you see three devices. |
| 16:49.09 | Ikikay | Yes, But I don't want see 3 devices, I want see 2 groups of device |
| 16:49.15 | Ikikay | one RAID 0, and one RAID 1 |
| 16:49.39 | Ormu | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 16:49.43 | petn-randall | Ikikay: But isn't that exactly what you're seeing? |
| 16:50.03 | Ikikay | No, I see my groupment RAID 0 |
| 16:50.25 | digdilem | are there any /dev/md??? devices? |
| 16:50.54 | petn-randall | Ikikay: Maybe there's a language barrier. Can you paste output of commands you're using to see things, and then tell us what you expect instead? |
| 16:51.03 | petn-randall | digdilem: It's a hardware RAID. |
| 16:51.15 | Ikikay | digdilem, sorry, I don't understand ? |
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| 16:51.40 | digdilem | is it though? he mentions they appear as "linux raid member" which iirc is what mdadm uses |
| 16:51.46 | Ikikay | they are pet-randall, sorry :/ ... but I don't use any commands, I use graphical software |
| 16:51.52 | Ikikay | (gnome disk utility) |
| 16:51.58 | digdilem | Ikikay, do you have anything in /dev that begins "md" |
| 16:52.06 | Ikikay | No I don't |
| 16:52.10 | Ikikay | any repertory, or files |
| 16:52.16 | digdilem | ok, not mdadm then. butting out again |
| 16:53.17 | digdilem | it sounds like a hp specific thing, whether it's passing the raid details to the OS properly. Maybe it needs drivers? |
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| 16:53.51 | Ikikay | I don't know... It's working for the install, I seen the groupment |
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| 16:54.01 | Ikikay | but not in debian .... |
| 16:54.13 | Ikikay | and it's worked for my RAID 0, I installed my os on this ... |
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| 16:54.47 | Ikikay | my Logical Drive 1 (my boot device) is like this : |
| 16:54.47 | Ikikay | https://www.abyssproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/install-microserver-gen8-10.png?x23088 |
| 16:55.29 | Ikikay | my second Logical Drive (2 <- My RAID 1) is not active from "Secondary Boot Logical Drive/Volume |
| 16:55.30 | digdilem | I only use mdadm - to avoid this sort of problem, so I don't know, sorry. |
| 16:55.32 | Ikikay | my I switch it ? |
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| 16:56.14 | Ikikay | I use this : https://www.abyssproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/install-microserver-gen8-6.png?x23088 |
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| 17:03.29 | ebarrett | hey, is it possible to invoke the debian text installer from the live cd? |
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| 17:14.43 | shtrb | sudo debian-installer-launcher --text ? |
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| 17:14.56 | shtrb | ebarrett ^ |
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| 17:19.37 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: cool. And cool that you know anything about the installer. |
| 17:20.21 | shtrb | was that the wrong answer |
| 17:20.31 | shtrb | also I think it should be run from live |
| 17:20.53 | Ikikay | Well, I going back home, tired, bye ^^ |
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| 17:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: I have no idea. Maybe ebarret will tell us. |
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| 17:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | !botsnack |
| 17:22.02 | dpkg | aw, gee, jhutchins_wk |
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| 17:22.51 | jhutchins_wk | There used to be an <install guide> factoid, but it doesn't seem to work these days. |
| 17:23.23 | nkuttler | !ig |
| 17:23.39 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: Exactly. |
| 17:23.44 | nkuttler | !factinfo ig |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | ig -- last modified at Mon Feb 16 10:11:36 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@li5-248.members.linode.com; it has been requested 1361 times, last by nkuttler, 23s ago. |
| 17:23.48 | nkuttler | it is there.. |
| 17:24.16 | nkuttler | !factinfo installation guide |
| 17:24.16 | dpkg | installation guide -- last modified at Sat Jun 17 13:56:07 2017 by themill!~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net; it has been requested 2084 times, last by nkuttler, 55s ago. |
| 17:24.23 | nkuttler | !installation guide |
| 17:24.34 | nkuttler | dpkg: fix yourself.. |
| 17:24.34 | dpkg | takes yourself.. to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:24.43 | nkuttler | !literal installation guide |
| 17:24.43 | dpkg | "installation guide" is "<reply> see stretch installation guide" |
| 17:24.47 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 17:24.53 | nkuttler | !literal stretch installation guide |
| 17:24.53 | shtrb | great factoid |
| 17:24.58 | teraflop | lel |
| 17:25.07 | nkuttler | !factinfo stretch installation guide |
| 17:25.07 | dpkg | nkuttler: there's no such factoid as stretch installation guide |
| 17:25.10 | nkuttler | there you go |
| 17:25.17 | nkuttler | !jessie installation guide |
| 17:25.17 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
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| 17:25.53 | shtrb | dpkg sudo debian-installer-launcher --text |
| 17:25.53 | dpkg | shtrb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 17:26.14 | shtrb | dpkg live cd install text mode = sudo debian-installer-launcher --text |
| 17:26.14 | dpkg | shtrb: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:26.20 | jhutchins_wk | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual is valid. |
| 17:26.29 | nkuttler | dpkg: stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 0 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual |
| 17:26.30 | dpkg | nkuttler: okay |
| 17:26.44 | nkuttler | dpkg: no, stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual |
| 17:26.44 | dpkg | nkuttler: okay |
| 17:26.49 | nkuttler | !ig |
| 17:26.49 | dpkg | hmm... stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual |
| 17:26.59 | somiaj | With the live cd, there should be a boot option to go directly into the debian installer and not run the modified version from inside the live enviorment. |
| 17:27.18 | jhutchins_wk | Yay! |
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| 17:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: Thanks for fixing that. |
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| 17:27.44 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: no problem |
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| 17:36.02 | dontknow | how can i learn if my ethernet is "eth0 or enp20 or whatever? |
| 17:36.12 | EriC^^ | ip |
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| 17:36.26 | EriC^^ | *ip a |
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| 17:36.44 | petemc | ip link show, is what i use |
| 17:36.55 | dontknow | EriC^^, thanks |
| 17:37.00 | EriC^^ | np |
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| 17:39.12 | masterkorp | Guys I need to forward a a connection comming from 2552 on eth0 to localhost with 25 with iptables? |
| 17:39.19 | shtrb | dontknow , please rephrase what you ask |
| 17:39.20 | shtrb | plug and unplug the cable and see in dmesg what went up or down |
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| 17:39.51 | dontknow | shtrb, it is solved |
| 17:40.34 | sypher | masterkorp: There are many resources available online that detail how to do this. |
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| 17:40.51 | cybrNaut | how can i find out what fonts I have that are script-like? I have xfontsel, but I don't want to have to try every font |
| 17:41.06 | masterkorp | sypher: thank you for you insight, can you point me yto one that does work? |
| 17:41.15 | masterkorp | sypher: https://serverfault.com/questions/140622/how-can-i-port-forward-with-iptables |
| 17:41.21 | masterkorp | this does not work |
| 17:41.53 | jhutchins_wk | cybrNaut: When I used to publish a magazine I kept a notebook with a printout of every font I had. It was fairly thick. |
| 17:41.56 | shtrb | prior to doing anything , does your ISP allow port forwarding to begin with ? |
| 17:42.51 | shtrb | masterkorp , I remember a user or two whos ISP blocked portforwarding |
| 17:43.02 | masterkorp | yeah |
| 17:43.05 | masterkorp | is on the cloud |
| 17:43.11 | masterkorp | is its to local host |
| 17:43.12 | sypher | shtrb: Are we talking about forwarding ports on equipment you own? |
| 17:43.24 | masterkorp | so my isp has notjing to do it what |
| 17:43.26 | sypher | shtrb: Because the ISP can't control what you do with your router or how things get routed inside your network. |
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| 17:44.09 | sypher | masterkorp: Have you enabled forwarding via sysctl? |
| 17:44.14 | cybrNaut | jhutchins_wk: yikes.. i don't even have a printer.. i'd rather not put it all on paper. i was hoping for a tool that would have categories like serif, sans serif, script.. |
| 17:44.17 | masterkorp | sypher: yes |
| 17:44.27 | shtrb | sypher , yes and no (ISP block any incoming except for well known protocols such as skype ) |
| 17:44.57 | shtrb | you need to pay extra to service anything |
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| 17:45.39 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: Let's not get off into the weeds with edge cases, let's just address his actual question. |
| 17:45.56 | sypher | masterkorp: Pastebin your current iptables rules so we can see what's going on. |
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| 17:47.09 | masterkorp | sypher: here it is: https://ptpb.pw/BgaS |
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| 17:48.14 | jhutchins_wk | masterkorp: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5901 |
| 17:48.27 | jhutchins_wk | masterkorp: I believe you still have to enable forwarding in sysconfig though. |
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| 17:49.26 | jhutchins_wk | masterkorp: http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/ |
| 17:49.58 | jhutchins_wk | cybrNaut: I know there are apps that will do that for you, but I'm out of the game these days and don't know what they are. |
| 17:50.13 | masterkorp | jhutchins_wk: i have done that |
| 17:50.18 | masterkorp | please look into that |
| 17:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | k. |
| 17:50.26 | sypher | masterkorp: sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.eth0.route_localnet=1 |
| 17:50.39 | sypher | masterkorp: Routing to 127.0.0.0/8 is typically disabled. Change eth0 to your actual interface name. |
| 17:51.11 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: WHere is it "typically disabled"? |
| 17:51.34 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: The default value for that setting is 0. |
| 17:51.38 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: Note that there is no address or device specified above. |
| 17:51.43 | tw | I can't imagine ever wanting to enable that. |
| 17:51.51 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: Correct. He said he'd already enabled it. |
| 17:52.14 | sypher | No, he enabled IP forwarding in general. Routing to the loopback IP space is a separate variable. |
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| 17:52.22 | jhutchins_wk | tw: What if you were building firewall/routers for SOHOs on old PCs? |
| 17:52.36 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: Documentation? |
| 17:52.57 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt |
| 17:53.06 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: Again, take a look at the rule I posted above. |
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| 17:53.21 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: HE is trying to route to a port on loopback. |
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| 17:54.00 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: His original question: Guys I need to forward a a connection comming from 2552 on eth0 to localhost with 25 with iptables? |
| 17:54.03 | tw | I'm pretty sure route_localnet means explicitly allowing external connections to get to 127.0.0.1 ports. ip_forward, sure, route_localnet? Move just that one socket to a public (or dummynet) interface before allowing that. |
| 17:54.34 | tw | route_localnet is kind of insane when the standard advice is set bind IP to 127.0.0.1 when you don't want offmachine devices connecting. |
| 17:54.39 | sypher | tw: No, route_localnet means allowing the loopback IP space as a valid source or destination for routing, i.e. forwarding. The kernel documentation is specific on this. |
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| 17:55.38 | tw | I get that. Can't the X port be moved, or lo assigned a 10.x.x.x address and forward to that? |
| 17:55.47 | jhutchins_wk | sypher: You're talking about route_localnet? |
| 17:55.53 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: Yes. |
| 17:56.33 | tw | okay, I realize I'm not helping. You guys got this. |
| 17:56.38 | masterkorp | sypher: so can You please help rewrite the command? |
| 17:56.46 | masterkorp | sypher: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 2552 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:25 |
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| 17:56.50 | jhutchins_wk | masterkorp: I think sypher is right, have a look at that doc and change the value the same way you changed ip_forward |
| 17:56.51 | masterkorp | this is what I have |
| 17:57.20 | sypher | masterkorp: That rule isn't your problem, I don't think. By default, routing to 127.0.0.0/8 is disabled. You need to change the route_localnet sysctl variable to enable this. |
| 17:57.57 | sypher | Understand, though, that that routing functionality is disabled by default for a DAMNED good reason. |
| 17:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2552 -j REDIRECT --to-port 25 |
| 17:58.19 | masterkorp | i did that |
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| 18:00.53 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a known case for a fresh install not having the GPG keys for the repos? |
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| 18:01.13 | sypher | jhutchins_wk: That would be a first in my experience. |
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| 18:02.14 | tw | I've had it happen with cdebootstrap, but never through di. |
| 18:02.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 18:02.39 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; jessie: 2017.5~deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2017.5~deb8u1; stretch: 2017.5; buster: 2017.6; sid: 2017.6 |
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| 18:07.55 | tw | sypher: not to belabor the point, but what do you think happens when route_localnet = 1, ip_forward = 1, -P FORWARD ACCEPT, then some device injects packets destined for 127.0.0.1 via <LANIP>? |
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| 18:08.19 | sypher | tw: This is why I caution against enabling it. |
| 18:08.24 | sypher | tw: I know exactly what happens. |
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| 18:29.21 | FullmetalSora | Hello, I used the first two answers of this link to find out that debian uses my intel integrated gpu. I would like to use my dedicated gpu instead, its driver (nouveau) is already installed. How can I select which gpu I want to use ? Thanks |
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| 18:38.00 | FullmetalSora | Hello, I used the first two answers of this link to find out that debian uses my intel integrated gpu. I would like to use my dedicated gpu instead, its driver (nouveau) is already installed. How can I select which gpu I want to use ? Thanks https://askubuntu.com/questions/68028/how-do-i-check-if-ubuntu-is-using-my-nvidia-graphics-card |
| 18:38.11 | FullmetalSora | I forgot the link the first time sorry |
| 18:39.18 | jhutchins_wk | !tell FullmetalSora about bumblebee |
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| 18:41.09 | jhutchins_wk | FullmetalSora: Sorry, that's the best I've got. |
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| 18:42.20 | FullmetalSora | jhutchins_wk, bumblebee manages the gpu for you iirc ? I would like to select the nvidia one by myself |
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| 18:43.35 | jhutchins_wk | FullmetalSora: I believe it allows you to do that, but I don't have personal knowledge. |
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| 18:44.07 | FullmetalSora | ok jhutchins_wk thanks anyway |
| 18:44.09 | jhutchins_wk | FullmetalSora: Otherwise, maybe in the BIOS? |
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| 18:54.28 | noxid | hiho, i'd like to know which packages are going to be installed when using debootstrap with and without --variant=minbase |
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| 18:58.02 | jelly | noxid: look at the code in work_out_debs() in eg. /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/stretch to get an idea how debootstrap picks packages based on variant |
| 18:59.03 | netzach | Hello |
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| 19:00.04 | jelly | noxid: (default seems to pull in all Priority: required and Important, while minbase goes for required and just apt) |
| 19:00.08 | netzach | Hello |
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| 19:00.39 | netzach | Hello |
| 19:00.46 | netzach | I am on the latest stable version of debina? stretch? |
| 19:00.57 | jelly | Hi! |
| 19:00.58 | jelly | !ask |
| 19:00.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:01.06 | netzach | and I have just installed ifenslave and it seems to me there is a small typoo in the /usr/share/doc.. |
| 19:01.20 | netzach | rather /usr/share/doc/ifenslave/examples/two_hotplug_ethernet |
| 19:01.28 | netzach | eth0 is configured twice, it should be eth1 I think |
| 19:01.36 | netzach | other than that I've tried it and it seems to work |
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| 19:02.27 | noxid | jelly: thx! |
| 19:02.28 | jelly | netzach: developers do not take notice of typos or other bugs reported here. If you want it fixed, you'll have to file a bug report |
| 19:02.33 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 19:02.53 | netzach | it is pretty insignificant for a bug report I think |
| 19:03.04 | jelly | then it won't be fixed |
| 19:03.10 | netzach | ok |
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| 19:03.22 | netzach | can I fix it myself and have it pull requested or something? |
| 19:03.26 | netzach | I mean it's just a typo |
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| 19:03.42 | jelly | you can file a bug report, with a patch included |
| 19:04.08 | FullmetalSora | Hello, I used the first two answers of this link to find out that debian uses my intel integrated gpu. I would like to use my dedicated gpu instead, its driver (nouveau) is already installed. How can I select which gpu I want to use ? Thanks https://askubuntu.com/questions/68028/how-do-i-check-if-ubuntu-is-using-my-nvidia-graphics-card |
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| 19:11.39 | FullmetalSora | Hello, I used the first two answers of this link to find out that debian uses my intel integrated gpu. I would like to use my dedicated gpu instead, its driver (nouveau) is already installed. How can I select which gpu I want to use ? Thanks https://askubuntu.com/questions/68028/how-do-i-check-if-ubuntu-is-using-my-nvidia-graphics-card |
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| 19:14.18 | netzach | Hello |
| 19:14.29 | netzach | what is the best way to create a user that can't login,, has no home and no bash/terminal? |
| 19:14.33 | netzach | I need it for samba |
| 19:14.43 | netzach | I head for password you can set ! or something, but I am not sure about the rest |
| 19:14.51 | somiaj | netzach: doesn't samba already create such a user? I thought it did. |
| 19:15.23 | netzach | somiaj: I ma not sure |
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| 19:15.32 | somiaj | netzach: you can set the shell to /usr/sbin/nologin -- also check /etc/passwd and see what users are already created and what they do for system users |
| 19:16.02 | netzach | somiaj: I searched for samba but there is nobody there |
| 19:16.21 | netzach | the latest created user seems to be avahi at the very end |
| 19:16.28 | netzach | I'd image that is the latest I am notsure |
| 19:16.29 | somiaj | netzach: I might be thinking of the user the daemons run as, smbd or something like that. |
| 19:16.32 | netzach | lol I have an irc user idk why |
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| 19:16.41 | somiaj | netzach: are you wanting a user for reasons of access samba shares? |
| 19:16.46 | netzach | somiaj: I need a user that will be used to login into a samba share |
| 19:16.48 | somiaj | netzach: for the irc daemon. |
| 19:17.02 | somiaj | netzach: I think samba has a way to create its own users that are not system users |
| 19:17.15 | somiaj | i.e. they only exist to samba but not the system. Its been a while since I have used samba, but that is the way it use to work. |
| 19:17.19 | netzach | last I checked in the docs you have to do it manually, it's the password that is set by the samba |
| 19:17.58 | somiaj | I think it does both, it depends on if you want system users to have access to their $HOME or other users. It can also use active domain users which don't have to be part of the system. |
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| 19:18.21 | netzach | all the docs I've found say the user must exist in linux |
| 19:18.33 | netzach | I don't want system users, cause I'll use it from windows mostly |
| 19:18.39 | somiaj | https://serverfault.com/questions/541409/can-i-add-samba-users-without-having-to-add-unix-ones |
| 19:18.41 | netzach | I want to add just a user with a password that |
| 19:18.43 | somiaj | ahh nevermind, I was mistaken. |
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| 19:20.40 | somiaj | netzach: yea looks like you can create a user and use something like /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin as the shell. |
| 19:21.28 | netzach | if I make a folder be group owned, and give that group write permissions, then a user of that group will be able to create and write files there? |
| 19:21.38 | netzach | even if when he creates them he will be the owner and not the group? |
| 19:21.43 | netzach | will he able to read them afterwards? |
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| 19:22.19 | somiaj | there are some subtitilies. First if a group can write to a directory, they can all create files, but once a file is created they need permisions to read/write to that file |
| 19:22.41 | somiaj | so if user1 creates a file, and makes the persions such that userb can't see it, userb won't be able to read or write to it. |
| 19:22.47 | netzach | but I mean |
| 19:23.08 | somiaj | There are ways to set up a umask to make the permsisions of newly created files set up so all users can read them. |
| 19:23.12 | netzach | if dir has groupA rwx permissions, and user A part of groupA creates a file there, the ownership will be by default userA:userA |
| 19:23.17 | netzach | can after that userA read and write to the file |
| 19:23.31 | `Kevin | netzach: without a group sticky bit yes |
| 19:23.33 | somiaj | you can change that, you can set it up so the default is userA:group |
| 19:23.48 | netzach | that is cool, how can I do that? |
| 19:23.51 | somiaj | and you may want to add a stickybit so that users can't erase other users file. |
| 19:24.10 | somiaj | chmod 1775 directory should do it. |
| 19:24.20 | `Kevin | ^or g+s |
| 19:24.22 | netzach | is there a more verboxe way? |
| 19:24.24 | somiaj | use 1770 if you don't want others otuside of the group to have access. |
| 19:24.25 | netzach | oh thank you |
| 19:24.36 | netzach | cause with octal I need to kbnow watch each bit represents and do the sums myself |
| 19:24.40 | netzach | I mean I know 7 is all but still |
| 19:25.12 | somiaj | netzach: 7 = rwx, 5 = r-x |
| 19:25.19 | netzach | is g+s sufficient to prevent from deleting as well? |
| 19:25.24 | netzach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.26 | somiaj | netzach: that is part of what the sticky bit does. |
| 19:25.36 | somiaj | netzach: it prevents users from deleting files they do not have write permsisions to |
| 19:25.47 | somiaj | (which you can do if you can write to the directory, but not write to the file) |
| 19:25.50 | netzach | but how can I make created files by default be user:group |
| 19:26.05 | somiaj | I think the sticky bit does that too. |
| 19:26.16 | netzach | oh ok thank you |
| 19:26.19 | somiaj | Note this won't catch all files, for example 'mv' doesn't create a new file. |
| 19:26.34 | netzach | ok another question, difference betwene useradd and adduser? I always confuse them, one is lowe level, another is ap erl script on top of the other |
| 19:26.37 | netzach | but which is which |
| 19:26.45 | somiaj | and depending on the defaults of cp, it may preserve permsisions of the original file. |
| 19:27.03 | somiaj | in debian I would suggest using adduser |
| 19:27.21 | netzach | does adduser allow to create a user with no home? |
| 19:27.22 | LtL | netzach: nice graph here about chmod octals http://paste.debian.net/987191/ |
| 19:27.22 | somiaj | useradd is more for scripting and doesn't set up all the defaults like adduser will |
| 19:27.32 | tw | useradd is also more cross-platform. |
| 19:27.56 | somiaj | netzach: it does, man adduser. |
| 19:28.14 | netzach | ok I will check that out, thank you |
| 19:28.30 | teraflops | you can use ACLs too |
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| 19:31.08 | netzach | sorry teraflops are you the guy that has a hp? |
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| 19:31.48 | teraflops | hmm, what kind of hp? |
| 19:31.57 | netzach | server? |
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| 19:36.44 | netzach | somiaj: sorry I read adduser man I didn't find how to create a user with no home, there is don't create home directory flag but the rest? Do I havae to put an empty value myself in home flag? |
| 19:37.03 | somiaj | --no-create-home is right at the list of flags |
| 19:37.18 | somiaj | also sarching for home (/home) will find info about the flag. |
| 19:37.38 | somiaj | I am looking at the jessie manpage, but doubt it changed that much in stretch |
| 19:37.45 | netzach | somiaj: but that says it doesn't create the dir, but you still have to enter a value |
| 19:39.05 | somiaj | netzach: what do you mean by that? Adduser doesn't require you to enter in a home dir and the description I have of that flag is "Do not create the home directory, even if it doesn't exist." |
| 19:39.26 | netzach | the even if it doesn't exist part got me confused somiaj |
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| 19:39.50 | somiaj | by default adduser will create a home dir if it doesn't exist. |
| 19:39.51 | netzach | somiaj: it will still be stored in /etc/passwd somiaj ? |
| 19:39.56 | somiaj | so this is say it won't create it. |
| 19:39.58 | somiaj | netzach: yes |
| 19:40.08 | netzach | somiaj: but your home is not necessarily /home/username |
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| 19:40.18 | netzach | it can be anywhere else, so how does it know it doesn't exist? |
| 19:40.32 | sypher | netzach: Every user has a home directory. It doesn't matter what you set it to, but you MUST provide some kind of path. That path doesn't have to exist. |
| 19:40.37 | somiaj | netzach: you can also set the home to something like /usr/bin, shells may still use that value (in say scripts) so I belive you do need to have a home dir mentioned |
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| 19:40.59 | netzach | oh, you can't provide an empty path somiaj ? |
| 19:41.19 | sypher | The nobody user has its homedir set to '/nonexistent'. |
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| 19:41.32 | netzach | same for _apt |
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| 19:41.39 | netzach | but that means if someone makes a dir that way |
| 19:41.46 | netzach | I mean it sounds like a hack rather than a proper solution to me |
| 19:41.48 | somiaj | netzach: you acn set it something false, unsure how the script deals with a blank home dir, but I would follow what other programs do, as sypher mentioned. |
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| 19:42.07 | sypher | A blank homedir is a syntax error in /etc/passwd. A value MUST be provided. |
| 19:42.12 | netzach | it still sounds like a hack rather than a proper solution, shame linxu doesn't support it? |
| 19:42.15 | somiaj | netzach: every user has to have a home dir. |
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| 19:42.31 | somiaj | but it dosen't have to exist |
| 19:42.37 | netzach | I mean it's a shame there is no option to not have a home dir that is |
| 19:42.37 | sypher | netzach: It's not a hack at all. If you can create /nonexistent, you have root privileges. |
| 19:43.04 | sypher | Creating a new directory under / requires root privileges. If you can do that, then creating a new directory is the least of the system owner's problems. |
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| 19:43.14 | netzach | well to me it looks like bad engineering, you should be able to not set it, instead of setting a non existent path |
| 19:43.18 | netzach | that's why I call it a hack |
| 19:43.26 | brontosaurusrex | any tools for 'debugging' an icon theme? |
| 19:44.23 | sypher | netzach:Requiring a value is FAR safer than having to handle null conditions, like the lack of a value. Every running session requires a working directory. If you didn't force one to be specified, what working directory do you use if the value is null? |
| 19:44.36 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: gtk/qt related ones? |
| 19:45.05 | tw | On a number of systems, if the homedir is unset, the default is / |
| 19:45.13 | netzach | sypher: how does having a non existing directory help that? vs having no value |
| 19:45.16 | tw | (non-linux systems) |
| 19:46.08 | brontosaurusrex | teraflops, not sure what you mean? |
| 19:46.09 | sypher | tw: Debian is not a non-Linux system. |
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| 19:46.34 | brontosaurusrex | basically it's a metatheme, like: Inherits=breeze-dark,Papirus-GTK-b < is the main thing |
| 19:46.51 | brontosaurusrex | And it's working great on one machine and not at all great at 2nd one |
| 19:47.03 | tw | fine, systems that aren't based on gnu userland and are close to posix compliance. |
| 19:47.56 | spacebug^ | sypher: actyallt Debian can run Linux or FreeBSD as kernel |
| 19:48.21 | spacebug^ | also progress is done for Hurd kernel |
| 19:48.24 | sypher | spacebug^: You act like I don't know this. |
| 19:48.24 | tw | That's why he's sassin' me =p |
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| 19:49.14 | spacebug^ | sypher: Well since you wrote "Debian is not a non-Linux system" it seemd to me you did not. But ok. Then all is well |
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| 19:50.08 | sypher | Anyway, the point is this: On Debian, the homedir is NOT an optional parameter in /etc/passwd, according to 'man 5 passwd'. How the system functions if this constraint is violated, no idea, because I choose not to do dumb things. |
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| 20:04.07 | teraflops | spacebug^: I thought they abandoned debian HURD |
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| 20:05.56 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: idk, check gtkrc files or use lxappearance or whatever is fine for you |
| 20:06.43 | brontosaurusrex | teraflops, actually it seems to be some sort of inheritance logic problem, not sure why it would work on 2nd machine thought. |
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| 20:07.48 | gunix | i need a VERY easy to use software for editting videos. i got a gopro and want to cut vids and upload them, using Linux. What do you recommand? |
| 20:07.55 | gunix | also, how do you connect gopro? |
| 20:08.10 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: i never heard of inheritance related to gtk3 themes |
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| 20:10.29 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: nvm I misread it |
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| 20:12.04 | foul_owl | Why is virtual box not available in debian 9? |
| 20:12.05 | teraflops | idk about the very easy bit, but kdenlive works pretty well |
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| 20:15.02 | th0r | foul_owl, you can download it from virtualbox.org |
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| 20:16.01 | dontknow | foul_owl, it is nonfree |
| 20:16.51 | foul_owl | I have nonfree repos enabled |
| 20:17.00 | dontknow | contrib? |
| 20:17.06 | foul_owl | Yes |
| 20:17.18 | foul_owl | The debian docs say it is not included with debian 9 |
| 20:17.22 | foul_owl | Just wondering why that is |
| 20:17.33 | foul_owl | Compared with debian 8 for example |
| 20:18.00 | dontknow | interesting |
| 20:18.17 | dontknow | time to use qemu then |
| 20:18.48 | GPenguin | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
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| 20:19.42 | foul_owl | I can add the oracle repos of course |
| 20:20.06 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
| 20:20.24 | n4dir | foul_owl: there has been something with license, but i don't recall the details |
| 20:20.34 | dontknow | foul_owl, here is the reason https://bugs.debian.org/794466 |
| 20:20.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, sid, buster): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: important; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2017-08-28. |
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| 20:21.11 | n4dir | damnit, i was wrong . |
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| 20:22.52 | ebarrett | jhutchins: just trying now |
| 20:23.07 | ebarrett | i seem to recall i tried something similar |
| 20:23.14 | ebarrett | i found something like that on SO |
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| 20:23.40 | ebarrett | the problem i have is that vmm only supports virtio, but the debian install kernel doesn't |
| 20:23.44 | ebarrett | hoping the live cd does |
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| 20:29.11 | ebarrett | sudo: debian-installer-launcher: command not found |
| 20:29.22 | gunix | did you try openshot? or do you recomand another video editing software? |
| 20:30.08 | ebarrett | there's no script/program by the name 'debian-installer-launcher' in the live cd |
| 20:30.14 | ebarrett | verified with find |
| 20:30.14 | teraflops | video editing and very easy does not fit in the same sentence at least for me |
| 20:31.36 | tw | ebarrett: virt-manager does support other disk drivers, but I'm pretty sure the debian-netboot installer does support virtio. To get at the other disk types, you have to configure the VM before installing, then change the disk type. |
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| 20:35.04 | teraflops | ebarrett: what makes you think debian does not support vitIO? |
| 20:35.16 | ebarrett | debian does, just not the install kernel |
| 20:35.16 | teraflops | even windows does if you install the drivers |
| 20:35.21 | teraflops | ugh? |
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| 20:35.57 | ebarrett | if you prod inside the install kernel modules directory, you will see there is no virtio_blk.ko |
| 20:36.17 | ebarrett | the live cd proper does support virtio, but you can't install from it on a serial console it seems |
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| 20:37.02 | teraflops | ebarrett: I have a bunchs of debian machines installed via installer |
| 20:37.08 | teraflops | all of them use virtIO |
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| 20:37.54 | ebarrett | no, it uses a different kind of emulated disk according to the docs |
| 20:38.11 | ebarrett | once you reboot the first time, *then* virtio is used |
| 20:39.00 | ebarrett | it's explained here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKVMGuests |
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| 20:40.00 | ebarrett | maybe what I should do is raise a feature request to add virtio drivers to the install kernel |
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| 20:50.09 | teraflops | ebarrett: I cannot see in that link that kernel installer has not virtIO support |
| 20:50.22 | ebarrett | ok, here's the deal |
| 20:50.22 | teraflops | no^ |
| 20:50.35 | ebarrett | the ramfs is dynamic, only the required modules are loaded |
| 20:50.40 | ebarrett | (into ram) |
| 20:50.50 | ebarrett | something has gone wrong there it seems |
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| 20:51.08 | ebarrett | someone has already raised a bug: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/group$3Alinux.debian.bugs.dist$20virtio$20install/linux.debian.bugs.dist/7_BQRXlmyiE/YNFtkB1PpmUJ |
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| 20:52.50 | ebarrett | i have a feeling that vmm isn't correctly advertising the cd drive as virtio |
| 20:53.04 | teraflops | ebarrett: then that's a bug, and it is not what you are saying |
| 20:53.12 | teraflops | since kernel has virtio support |
| 20:53.19 | teraflops | debian kernel at the installer |
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| 20:54.31 | tw | Which installer are you using? I just tried it with debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and it's working with no magic required. |
| 20:54.32 | ebarrett | well, yes and no |
| 20:54.39 | teraflops | I also have dbouts about that post, hy ussing google groups? is that but already posted? |
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| 20:54.55 | teraflops | my doubts are rising |
| 20:55.10 | teraflops | ebarrett: no, yes and yes |
| 20:55.14 | ebarrett | huh? I followed a link of bugs.debian.org |
| 20:55.43 | ebarrett | teraflops: you didn't listen ;) |
| 20:55.48 | ebarrett | never mind |
| 20:55.48 | teraflops | no |
| 20:55.51 | teraflops | ebarrett: which installer? |
| 20:55.58 | teraflops | the iso youre using |
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| 20:56.20 | ebarrett | i've tried a few, they all theoretically support virtio if the module gets loaded into ramfs |
| 20:56.28 | teraflops | :S |
| 20:56.33 | ebarrett | i tried netinst, xfvce and live |
| 20:57.28 | ebarrett | off to read the vmm code to see how it exposes the cd drive then :P |
| 20:57.31 | ebarrett | seeya |
| 20:57.39 | teraflops | have a good read |
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| 20:57.59 | teraflops | or rather reading |
| 20:58.32 | tw | works just fine: https://imgur.com/a/Mtpzf |
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| 20:59.48 | ebarrett | tw: that's not under vmm though, is it? |
| 20:59.55 | tw | it's an older vmm in jessie. |
| 21:00.17 | ebarrett | eh? vmm is the openbsd hypervisor |
| 21:00.43 | teraflops | tw: same here I booted a jessie machine with jessie installer |
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| 21:01.25 | tw | vmm is also virtual machine manager, which is redhat's frontend for libvirt. |
| 21:01.27 | sds_ | hi all |
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| 21:01.56 | sds_ | Well, now that's a fail |
| 21:02.03 | tw | but yes, the stretch iso itself totally supports virtio. |
| 21:02.04 | teraflops | yeah |
| 21:02.22 | teraflops | sds_: yeah fix your keyb layout? :P |
| 21:02.44 | ebarrett | tw: heh, crossed wires |
| 21:02.54 | ebarrett | im using vmm the hypervisor |
| 21:03.06 | ebarrett | tw: yes, i agree |
| 21:03.26 | ebarrett | but i repeat, the module isn't loaded into ramfs for some reason |
| 21:03.38 | ebarrett | i actually suspect a bug in the hypervisor |
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| 21:06.46 | tw | Maybe your installer iso is broken? Mine has the file /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/block/virtio_blk.ko just as I expected. |
| 21:07.05 | ebarrett | right, mine doesn't |
| 21:07.18 | ebarrett | that dir is loaded dynamically depending on what hardware is detected |
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| 21:07.20 | tw | which goes back to the question, *which* installer iso are you using. |
| 21:07.34 | ebarrett | read above, I did answer |
| 21:07.40 | Vizva | whats again the command using to apply boot and kernel changes? |
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| 21:08.22 | ebarrett | tw: i'm about 90% sure it is a hypervisor bug, so don't sweat it |
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| 21:10.10 | teraflops | which installer stands for: stable/testing/weekly/monthly and so on |
| 21:10.24 | ebarrett | oh stable, sorry |
| 21:10.52 | ebarrett | i could try testing i suppose |
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| 21:14.56 | Vizva | it was initramfs |
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| 21:19.10 | Vizva | i did change my encrypted swap to random so its mandatory |
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| 21:26.39 | teraflops | ebarrett: no idea, maybe using plain qemu/kvm helps |
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| 21:33.45 | ebarrett | teraflops: that works for sure |
| 21:33.54 | ebarrett | i've done that a few times |
| 21:35.35 | teraflops | then it looks like an hypervisor issue |
| 21:36.02 | teraflops | not related to debian installer kernel IMO |
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| 21:45.18 | cluelessperson | the TFTPD server doesn't seem to follow symlinks |
| 21:45.20 | cluelessperson | how do I fix this? |
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| 21:46.08 | cluelessperson | also, it says it has no permission when I point it at a network folder |
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| 21:47.55 | tw | cluelessperson: do you specifically mean the tftpd package? There are at least 3 tftpd servers in apt. |
| 21:47.56 | teraflops | cluelessperson: because it doe chroot |
| 21:48.02 | teraflops | does^ |
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| 21:48.39 | cluelessperson | tw: tftpd-hpa |
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| 21:48.55 | cluelessperson | teraflops: well, I need it to send its files to a network share. |
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| 21:49.12 | cluelessperson | teraflops: and it says permission denied when I set the server directory to chroot to the network share |
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| 21:50.23 | teraflops | maybe you do not have privileges |
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| 21:52.31 | tw | I use the tftpd one specifically, though I've tried atftpd. For the tftpd package, inetd specifically runs it as "nobody", so files it accesses must be world-readable. |
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| 21:52.53 | tw | you should check if tftpd-hpa is similarly configured. |
| 21:53.19 | cluelessperson | teraflops: I absolutely have privliges. the network share is 777 for now |
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| 21:54.42 | tw | cluelessperson: does daemon.log or syslog mention anything about tftpd? |
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| 21:55.18 | cluelessperson | tw: no |
| 21:56.37 | cluelessperson | tw: I suspect because the folder /backups that tftp is binding to has 000 permissions, but the network mount has 777 |
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| 21:56.53 | cluelessperson | so it doesn't follow symlinks... and can't write to a network share? |
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| 21:57.41 | oojacoboo | is there some kind of special permission/sandboxing for /proc/*/mem? |
| 21:58.02 | oojacoboo | such that root wouldn't be able to read a file with 600 permissions set to another user:group? |
| 21:58.46 | tw | cluelessperson: if it's chrooted to a 000 directory, it can't even read the symlinks in it if you have any. |
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| 21:59.52 | cluelessperson | tw: what if it's chrooted to a nfs mount that has 777? |
| 22:00.01 | cluelessperson | it says permission denied |
| 22:00.05 | cluelessperson | so how do I fix this? |
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| 22:01.48 | tw | if you're running it with inetd, there should be something in your daemon.log when a connection occurs and it confuses the heck out of me that you get nothing. |
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| 22:02.03 | tw | to be perfectly honest. |
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| 22:02.28 | cluelessperson | tw: tftpd-hpa |
| 22:02.31 | cluelessperson | is the package I'm using |
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| 23:04.10 | tw | Graphically, I think there's a gvfs module for smb (gvfs-backends). From the commandline there's smbclient. |
| 23:04.45 | tw | Maid-Chan: ^ |
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| 23:30.40 | awal1 | Maid-Chan, tw, also 'gMTP' |
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| 23:38.33 | elim_garak | does debian stable have support for gnome 3.26 |
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| 23:39.59 | Maid-Chan | awal1, installed gmtp and it says no raw devices found. |
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| 23:46.14 | awal1 | Maid-Chan, 'gMTP' was just a possible suggestion. |
| 23:47.00 | awal1 | sorry if "it doesn't help" |
| 23:47.45 | awal1 | i think i got confused , smb vs mtp |
| 23:48.37 | tw | Maid-Chan: if you installed gvfs-backends, you can use nautilus or pcmanfm to browse the network. |
| 23:48.49 | tw | Any gvfs aware file manager should let you do it. |
| 23:48.59 | Maid-Chan | nautilus is the file manager for one of the non xfce DEs, yeah? |
| 23:49.19 | tw | if you have xfce, thunar will work with gvfs as well. |
| 23:49.24 | hexa- | nautilis is gnomes file manager |
| 23:49.39 | Maid-Chan | ohh hey it works with thunar. thanx |
| 23:50.46 | Maid-Chan | so on windows i have password sharing turned off. but thunar is insisting i need an account and password so won't let me look at the computer. is there a way to get around that? |
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