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| 00:45.30 | MikeDebian | Hello guys. Is there a good reason why Debian 9 dropped rc.local? |
| 00:46.21 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: i mean it's the same thing as a oneshot systemd service |
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| 00:47.04 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: i suspect part of the reason is that rc.local can't really be runlevel (or target) specific |
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| 00:47.34 | MikeDebian | but why in hell would we need to create a systemd service just to run some basic commands, for instance to mount external devices on boot? |
| 00:48.06 | SerajewelKS | because there's usually a better way to do it. like... mounting devices is a job for fstab. |
| 00:48.39 | SerajewelKS | plus rc.local is executed after everything else has started... what if you had a service that depended on that device being mounted? you can't specify that with rc.local. |
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| 00:49.01 | MikeDebian | no need to mess around with fstab to mount storage external devices |
| 00:49.41 | SerajewelKS | i'd argue the opposite, no need to hack stuff in rc.local when there is a system-provided facility that already manages volumes |
| 00:49.48 | th0r | MikeDebian, I stuck with jessie, but I just set up stretch for a friend, and we used @reboot in a cron job to replace rc.local |
| 00:50.24 | SerajewelKS | a oneshot service is like four lines of text under /etc. it's not some great suffering. |
| 00:50.35 | MikeDebian | th0r, I also stuck with jessie for now but just installed 9 on my brother's laptop and this is annoying |
| 00:50.59 | SerajewelKS | but an fstab entry is only one line anyway |
| 00:51.06 | SerajewelKS | which is where volumes *should* go |
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| 00:51.12 | th0r | MikeDebian, agreed....which is why I returned to jessie. There seem to be a lot of solutions in stretch that are in desperate need of problems to solve |
| 00:51.38 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: all you need is a line in fstab with the options auto,nofail |
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| 00:51.51 | MikeDebian | SerajewelKS, I understand that. But things that worked fine before would have no need to be changed this way. rc.local may not be appropriate for every boot jobs, of course. but that doesnt mean it is no longer appropriate to run some basic boot commands |
| 00:51.53 | SerajewelKS | (mount automatically, don't fail init if it doesn't mount successfully) |
| 00:52.42 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: i'm not saying rc.local should have been removed, i'm telling you what you can do on stretch to do what you want. if you'd rather be upset that things changed, i can't help you with that. |
| 00:53.14 | th0r | MikeDebian, if I remember right, I saw a website where they explained how to reenable rc.local in stretch |
| 00:53.21 | SerajewelKS | it's my opinion that anything in rc.local is a hack |
| 00:53.33 | SerajewelKS | e.g. "mount" in rc.local is screaming for a proper fstab entry |
| 00:53.55 | SerajewelKS | there's pretty much always a better place to put something than rc.local. probably why it was removed. |
| 00:54.04 | MikeDebian | SerajewelKS, yes I know there are workarounds and thank you for that but i's a bit annoying to install a fresh debian 9 and just found that rc.local is no longer available off the shelf just to run some pretty basic stuff |
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| 00:54.27 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: IMO rc.local was the "workaround" in the first place |
| 00:54.42 | MikeDebian | was a pretty simple one actually |
| 00:54.57 | SerajewelKS | in the time you spent talking about the absence of rc.local you could have already written your fstab entry and be done |
| 00:55.21 | MikeDebian | and now for every command we need to run on startup we either create our rc.local again or we have to create an individual and separate systemd service |
| 00:55.39 | MikeDebian | but this is not just for mounting devices |
| 00:55.40 | SerajewelKS | (.. or put filesystem config where it was supposed to be in the first place) |
| 00:55.50 | MikeDebian | it can be for many other things |
| 00:56.03 | SerajewelKS | it can, and there's almost always a better place for it than rc.local |
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| 00:56.28 | MikeDebian | for cases yes, some no |
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| 00:58.03 | SerajewelKS | personally i've never come across such a case... every time i've seen something in rc.local it's because the sysadmin didn't know the right place to configure whatever it was |
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| 00:59.10 | SerajewelKS | if you want it back, it's trivial to set up a oneshot systemd service that will exec /etc/rc.local -- but that's probably not the right thing to do. because whatever you're configuring probably has a dependency on another subsystem, and other subsystems might have a dependency on what that command does |
| 00:59.34 | SerajewelKS | so the "proper" way is a specific oneshot service that declares what services it needs, and what services need it |
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| 01:00.32 | SerajewelKS | my suspicion is that rc.local was removed because configuring such services is now super duper easy (just a few lines of text and "systemctl enable servicename") whereas before you had to write a few-dozen-line init script to get the same thing |
| 01:00.57 | SerajewelKS | we used rc.local because creating a service was a pain in the ass. now it's not. |
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| 01:01.02 | fortyoz | hello |
| 01:01.18 | fortyoz | trying to install debian on my other laptop, getting the iwlwifi 3160 17.ucode thing |
| 01:01.37 | MikeDebian | Yes but for instance I see anything wrong about mounting an external storage device (not critical for any other service) at user runlevel |
| 01:02.09 | MikeDebian | or simply executing some kind of other script on at user runlevel as wel |
| 01:02.13 | MikeDebian | well* |
| 01:03.16 | fortyoz | "Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded from removable media." Missing firmware files are: iwlwifi 3160 17.ucode |
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| 01:03.51 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: i mean it's subjective. personally i see that as a misconfiguration, because that kind of config belongs in fstab, not rc.local. |
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| 01:03.57 | MikeDebian | fortyoz, your wifi card is not being recognized by Debian installer |
| 01:04.00 | SerajewelKS | we can argue preference all night |
| 01:04.41 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: if you were configuring your network in rc.local i would say the same thing. that stuff goes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:04.44 | fortyoz | ahh, I have a wi-fi dongle thing I tried using too with a live USB image, it would recognize other networks but disconnect right after connecting |
| 01:04.46 | MikeDebian | search on google for that driver "iwlwifi 3160...", copy it to a usb pen and plug the pen when that shows up |
| 01:05.22 | th0r | fortyoz, go to packages.debian.org, download the iwlwifi drivers and put them on a second usb drive. plug it in when asked. (https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi) |
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| 01:07.26 | MikeDebian | SerajewelKS, preferences will always be preferences, sure :) but I wouldn't say that starting by network devices on user runlevel is the same as mounting an external device or running a script that actually may need all the system to be up to properly run (for instance, a script that uses the network) |
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| 01:07.39 | MikeDebian | starting network devices*... |
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| 01:10.27 | fortyoz | thanks th0r, did it and am now continuing the installation :D |
| 01:12.41 | SerajewelKS | MikeDebian: i would say that those are different configurations of the system, and they should all go in the appropriate places |
| 01:12.52 | SerajewelKS | there is always a more appropriate place than rc.local |
| 01:13.12 | SerajewelKS | rc.local is the "i don't know what i'm doing" file ;) |
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| 01:14.42 | fortyoz | okay, I have a seperate /home partition |
| 01:14.51 | fortyoz | should I use guided or manual partitioning during the installation? |
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| 01:15.06 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: if you have /home then don't you have an existing installation? |
| 01:15.15 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: are you reinstalling or migrating or something? |
| 01:15.25 | fortyoz | I'm coming from manjaro |
| 01:15.52 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: if you have an existing volume you want to use, you will need to use manual partitioning, unless you want to muck about with /etc/fstab after installation |
| 01:16.32 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: pick the volume in the manual partitioner, select "use as...", pick the type of the partition (ext3/4, btrfs, whatever) and then it will give you more options. one is "mount point" which you should set to /home. |
| 01:16.35 | tw | As I recall, if you don't have free space left when you try to perform guided partitioning, it loses its mind. |
| 01:16.51 | SerajewelKS | guided is for totally new installations that won't use any existing partitions |
| 01:16.56 | tw | (not entirely accurate, it tries to fit you in very tiny spaces) |
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| 01:17.36 | fortyoz | I've done the fstab thing before, but alrighty I'll give manual partitioning a try |
| 01:20.24 | fortyoz | okay so I select the 30 gig partition my OS is installed on, and use it as an ext4, and select "yes" to formatting it? |
| 01:20.35 | fortyoz | and then don't touch the other partition, right? |
| 01:24.11 | fortyoz | ahh wait, did that, but no root filesystem defined |
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| 01:25.05 | fortyoz | the root should be the 30gig partition my OS is on? |
| 01:25.52 | k-rock | network question - how do I tell my client computer to connect to a http proxy on my network? |
| 01:25.55 | fortyoz | should I define my /home partition as /home? |
| 01:25.57 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: did you tell it the mount point was / |
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| 01:26.04 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: for the system partition you are replacing |
| 01:26.38 | fortyoz | I selected it, idk it didn't say anything |
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| 01:27.12 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: when you selected "use as" it should have opened up more options, one of them being the mount point which IIRC defaults to "none" |
| 01:27.29 | fortyoz | yeah it defaulted to none |
| 01:27.32 | fortyoz | so I selected / |
| 01:27.47 | SerajewelKS | then you should be good |
| 01:27.59 | fortyoz | cool, I'll continue with everything right now |
| 01:28.03 | SerajewelKS | the /home volume is the same except format: no, and mount point: /home |
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| 01:28.09 | fortyoz | should I select /home for the /home partition? |
| 01:28.17 | SerajewelKS | if that's where you want it |
| 01:28.20 | fortyoz | right now it's default to |
| 01:28.23 | fortyoz | *too |
| 01:28.36 | fortyoz | alright, so I won't have to do the fstab thing this way? |
| 01:28.46 | tw | k-rock: set the environment variable http_proxy. |
| 01:29.12 | k-rock | tw: ok, where is that set... is there a conf file somewhere? |
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| 01:29.42 | tw | I usually use .bashrc or .zshrc for it. |
| 01:29.47 | fortyoz | no EFI partition was found |
| 01:30.44 | tw | If you want it to affect x programs, I think it needs to be in xsessionrc, but I'm not sure if debian uses that. |
| 01:30.48 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: are you booting with UEFI? |
| 01:30.52 | fortyoz | yee |
| 01:31.03 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: then you additionally need a 1MB "bios partition" at the very start of the drive |
| 01:31.12 | SerajewelKS | that should be one of the options under "use as" |
| 01:31.16 | fortyoz | aww shiiettt |
| 01:31.22 | SerajewelKS | "GRUB UEFI boot partition" or something |
| 01:31.24 | fortyoz | can I create one in manual partitioning? |
| 01:31.27 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 01:31.35 | fortyoz | hell yeah |
| 01:31.41 | fortyoz | how? |
| 01:31.43 | SerajewelKS | probably have to delete whatever partition sits at the start of your drive (probably /) |
| 01:32.03 | fortyoz | yeah it's the 32 gig partition with my OS on it |
| 01:32.10 | fortyoz | so I have to delete that, then make two new ones in its place? |
| 01:32.29 | fortyoz | with one of them being 1mb? |
| 01:32.42 | fortyoz | or can I just shave a mb off of the partition without deleting? |
| 01:33.02 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: you have to delete and recreate. this is so you are aware that the partitioner is not resizing any volumes |
| 01:33.11 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: anything in the partition you delete is lost |
| 01:34.00 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: so delete what is there, select the free space and create a 1MB partition, use as "GRUB EFI BIOS partition" or whatever the installer calls it |
| 01:34.06 | SerajewelKS | then recreate the other one to fill up the space |
| 01:35.18 | fortyoz | alrighty, erasing the partition now |
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| 01:36.23 | tunasalad | fuck you, too. |
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| 01:37.03 | SerajewelKS | !ops tunasalad |
| 01:37.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: serajewelks complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:37.05 | tunasalad | film it already. |
| 01:37.49 | tunasalad | hydroxide preoxide you retard. |
| 01:38.08 | tunasalad | *peroxide |
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| 01:38.18 | SerajewelKS | bows |
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| 01:43.12 | fortyoz | okay deleted the partition, now how do I make a new one? |
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| 01:44.30 | SerajewelKS | fortyoz: select the "FREE SPACE" and press enter |
| 01:45.12 | fortyoz | I'm not seeing free space |
| 01:45.22 | fortyoz | I assume I need to finish partitioning and write changes to disk? |
| 01:45.41 | SerajewelKS | ... no |
| 01:45.49 | SerajewelKS | there should be free space wherever you deleted that other partition |
| 01:46.16 | fortyoz | I deleted it but it's still listed |
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| 01:46.33 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose you have a way to get us a screenshot |
| 01:46.38 | fortyoz | wait nvm |
| 01:46.40 | fortyoz | now I see it |
| 01:47.07 | fortyoz | alright so do I need to create these in any specific order? |
| 01:47.20 | fortyoz | and how large should the uefi partition be? |
| 01:47.23 | SerajewelKS | yes, create the 1MB UEFI partition first |
| 01:47.24 | SerajewelKS | 1MB |
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| 01:47.43 | fortyoz | primary or logical? |
| 01:47.49 | SerajewelKS | primary |
| 01:47.58 | fortyoz | beginning or end? |
| 01:48.03 | fortyoz | beginning right? |
| 01:48.08 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 01:48.33 | fortyoz | alright, and I set it's mount point to? |
| 01:48.44 | SerajewelKS | nothing. what is "use as" set to? |
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| 01:49.09 | fortyoz | it's set to / |
| 01:49.22 | fortyoz | and as ext4 |
| 01:49.30 | SerajewelKS | select "use as" and press enter |
| 01:49.36 | SerajewelKS | do any of the listed options mention GRUB? |
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| 01:50.09 | fortyoz | nope |
| 01:50.15 | fortyoz | but I do see EFI System partition |
| 01:50.23 | SerajewelKS | right, that's what you want |
| 01:50.40 | SerajewelKS | there's like three different things people call this partition, couldn't remember which one the installer uses |
| 01:50.52 | SerajewelKS | when you pick that, most of the other options should go away |
| 01:50.59 | fortyoz | alright, now making the 32gig one again |
| 01:51.05 | fortyoz | primary or logical for that? |
| 01:51.11 | SerajewelKS | primary, presumably |
| 01:51.16 | fortyoz | the 32gig root one |
| 01:51.17 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't sound like you have any logical partitions |
| 01:51.20 | fortyoz | alright |
| 01:51.25 | SerajewelKS | wait, this is for UEFI |
| 01:51.31 | SerajewelKS | is this partition table MSDOS or GPT? |
| 01:51.39 | SerajewelKS | i didn't think UEFI could boot from MSDOS partition tables |
| 01:51.58 | SerajewelKS | but primary/logical is an MSDOS partition table concept. GPT doesn't have that distinction. |
| 01:52.26 | fortyoz | alright, so finish partitioning and write changes to disk? |
| 01:52.31 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 01:52.50 | fortyoz | EFI system partitions on this architecture cannot be created with a size less than 35mb |
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| 01:53.00 | fortyoz | lol |
| 01:53.05 | fortyoz | so do I delete and re-do everything again? |
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| 01:54.38 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 01:54.40 | SerajewelKS | what arch is this!? |
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| 01:56.25 | fortyoz | idk |
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| 01:56.54 | annadane | uname -a |
| 01:57.16 | SerajewelKS | you have to select the architecture when you download the installer |
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| 01:57.42 | fortyoz | oh, lol |
| 01:57.44 | fortyoz | x64 |
| 01:57.45 | SerajewelKS | regardless, it sounds like you need to recreate it as 35MB |
| 01:57.48 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 01:58.02 | SerajewelKS | i have an x64 server right next to me running stretch with a 1MB UEFI system partition |
| 01:58.07 | SerajewelKS | *shrug* |
| 01:58.43 | fortyoz | I'll do 40 just to be safe? |
| 01:58.49 | fortyoz | it's a nice, round number |
| 01:59.14 | SerajewelKS | totally up to you |
| 02:00.49 | fortyoz | alright, continuing the install |
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| 02:04.21 | vyadha | what CLI clients are available to connect to a ipsec VPN? |
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| 02:11.51 | fortyoz | an installation step failed, trying again |
| 02:12.21 | fortyoz | it was stuck on retrieving file 1 of 5, should I have not selected the first mirror? lol |
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| 02:14.11 | Logg | Is the striping option in lvcreate categorized as a form of software raid? It sounds like it does the same as RAID0. |
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| 02:15.31 | madlord | hi guys, after an update of debian to the latest release (for buster/sid) some applications are returning an error: No protocol specified / Unable to init server: Could not connect: |
| 02:16.04 | madlord | (cont) ... Connection refused / (synaptic:6434): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 |
| 02:16.15 | madlord | this is the example of synaptic |
| 02:16.18 | Logg | !testing |
| 02:16.18 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 02:20.30 | fortyoz | just got bad archive error twice in a row with different mirrors |
| 02:20.32 | fortyoz | should I keep trying? |
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| 02:22.51 | fortyoz | yeah none of the network mirrors are working for me |
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| 02:23.45 | fortyoz | I can skip that and come back to it later? |
| 02:23.58 | tw | I usually do 50MB bios, 50MB uefi, 200 MB /boot, rest as lvm. |
| 02:24.04 | tw | in that order. |
| 02:24.40 | tw | You should check if your network came up properly and if you need to use a proxy. |
| 02:24.54 | fortyoz | how do I do that from the installer? |
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| 02:25.11 | fortyoz | I |
| 02:25.34 | tw | alt-f2 enter |
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| 02:26.41 | tw | Should get you a console. I can't recall if the installer has iproute2 or busybox/net-tools |
| 02:27.00 | tw | alt-f1 to go back. |
| 02:27.04 | fortyoz | nothing comes up lol |
| 02:27.13 | jb__ | this might be a tad off topic but i just want everyone to know how much I appreciate being able to speak here without registration. It says a lot IMO |
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| 02:28.07 | tw | Nothing? Try the other alt-fn keys until you get back to where you were then. That's usually how I do it. |
| 02:28.35 | fortyoz | none did anything |
| 02:28.58 | tw | Is this the graphical installer? |
| 02:29.02 | fortyoz | yeee |
| 02:29.05 | tw | might need ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 02:29.18 | fortyoz | there we go |
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| 02:29.44 | fortyoz | okay now what |
| 02:29.44 | fortyoz | lol |
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| 02:30.46 | madlord | Logg: ok, this seems to work: $Â xhost +si:localuser:root |
| 02:30.47 | tw | ip addr show; ip ro show; ping ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 02:31.09 | tw | fortyoz: should tell you if your network is active at least. |
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| 02:32.44 | fortyoz | it's just chillin' on the ping |
| 02:32.52 | fortyoz | bad address |
| 02:33.04 | coruja | fortyoz, if you want/need to start over again, maybe take a look at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ before |
| 02:34.01 | fortyoz | awesome, thanks coruja |
| 02:34.18 | tw | If it didn't give you a line about `default route via <somegateway>`, then yes, your network never came up. |
| 02:34.33 | fortyoz | awww shiieettt |
| 02:34.53 | tw | the installer with firmware will likely help. |
| 02:34.55 | fortyoz | what do I do now? reconnect from console? |
| 02:35.07 | fortyoz | lol alrighty, once more unto the breach! |
| 02:36.12 | annadane | good luck, we're all counting on you |
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| 02:40.24 | woem | my machine boots a jessie netinst fine but fails to boot a stretch netinst; additionally, when i install jessie and then upgrade to stretch it kernel panics upon rebooting unless i specify the old 3.16 kernel |
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| 02:41.03 | woem | recent ubuntu netinst isos also kernel panic, making me think that's what's causing the stretch iso not to boot, though there are no visible errors when booting the stretch netinst |
| 02:41.34 | woem | s/booting/attempting to boot/ |
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| 02:46.10 | coruja | woem, check (not the current) system logs for error messages (though as first guess there's not much you can do about this, quite ancient or special hardware there?) |
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| 02:47.38 | woem | coruja: i don't think so, the cpus are x64 xeons made in i think 2010 |
| 02:48.10 | woem | which system logs would i be checking? |
| 02:49.20 | woem | oh, 2012 even |
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| 02:49.31 | woem | E5-2670 |
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| 02:54.11 | coruja | maybe /var/log/kernlog.1 |
| 02:54.25 | coruja | maybe /var/log/kern.log.1 |
| 02:54.58 | woem | i only have kern.log there |
| 02:55.13 | woem | and that's for the working outdated kernel |
| 02:57.31 | coruja | i don't know if kernel panics can be logged at all (i rather doubt) |
| 02:58.06 | woem | the panic was less than 3 seconds into uptime, i doubt much happened in that span of time, though i'm clearly no expert |
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| 03:01.50 | frame | hi |
| 03:02.16 | coruja | woem, if i remember kernel panics right, the system halts with showing a bunch of output on the screen, nothing suspicious there? (maybe you'll have to remove 'quiet' from the boot command line first |
| 03:02.27 | coruja | ) |
| 03:03.20 | woem | nothing that means anything to me, just a bunch of numbers dumped as hex, a couple of which were labeled |
| 03:04.00 | frame | what is the latest version of screen package for debian ? 4.4.0 ? |
| 03:04.13 | coruja | ,v screen |
| 03:04.15 | judd | Package: screen on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; jessie: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1; stretch: 4.5.0-6; buster: 4.6.1-1; sid: 4.6.1-1 |
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| 03:07.26 | frame | so I decided to build screen from source and I found patches for version 4.4.0, the patches are: 26source_encoding.patch http://sprunge.us/aYOT, 45suppress_remap.patch http://sprunge.us/iXPS, 52fix_screen_utf8_nfd.patch http://sprunge.us/RQUZ, 58-show-encoding-hardstatus.patch http://sprunge.us/JJDQ, |
| 03:07.30 | frame | screen.no_libelf.diff http://sprunge.us/YFVZ, but I decided to build the most recent version 4.6.1, so I apply those patches for 4.4.0 on 4.6.1 version anyway, and I was able to successfully apply all except 58-show-encoding-hardstatus.patch, do I need to do that or there are specific patches available for 4.6.1 ? |
| 03:07.55 | frame | ,v mc |
| 03:07.57 | judd | Package: mc on amd64 -- wheezy: 3:4.8.3-10; jessie: 3:4.8.13-3; stretch: 3:4.8.18-1; buster: 3:4.8.19-1; sid: 3:4.8.19-1 |
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| 03:25.47 | woem | coruja: not sure if any of this is helpful but here's the kp https://lep.pw/img/c95dcf2e85a79a9b.jpg |
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| 03:31.38 | coruja | woem, to be honest, for me either, but maybe for anyone else here ;) |
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| 03:49.24 | fortyoz | hello |
| 03:49.26 | fortyoz | back again |
| 03:49.38 | fortyoz | so, got through the installation with that nonfree onne |
| 03:50.02 | fortyoz | go to restart after finishing installation, get error:unknown filesystem at GRUB |
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| 03:50.59 | fortyoz | then into rescue mode |
| 03:52.04 | Sveta | what filesystem is this? |
| 03:53.11 | fortyoz | two ext4's (one for the OS and one for /home) and a UFI boot thing |
| 03:53.28 | fortyoz | and also a swap |
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| 03:59.08 | fortyoz | Sveta: |
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| 04:02.47 | fortyoz | error while initializing the NIC |
| 04:02.52 | fortyoz | PXE-E63 |
| 04:03.35 | fortyoz | wait is this because the unfree iso wasn't uefi or something? |
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| 05:50.30 | jim | hi gang... jameson installed from the debian netinstall, the installer ran to completion, but when he boots, it tries to do a pxe thing, maybe there's a particular rom in his nic? |
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| 05:51.37 | nkuttler | jim: sounds like the bios doesn't boot from the install disk. grub was installed, right? |
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| 05:52.13 | jim | I think so, jameson says it's at grub rescue> now |
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| 05:53.29 | jim | other dists he had installed before commented something about pxe before |
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| 05:54.42 | jim | nkuttler, anyway, jameson meet nkuttler, nkuttler, meet jameson |
| 05:55.00 | jameson | waves at nkuttler |
| 05:55.04 | ikonia | either the boot loader is in the wrong order, or there isn't a valid boot loader so it's falling back to pxe |
| 05:55.32 | jim | ok |
| 05:55.33 | nkuttler | but there is a grub prompt.. |
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| 05:55.46 | ikonia | how did he get to the grub prompt |
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| 05:55.49 | ikonia | as if it's booting straigt to pxe - it won't go to grub |
| 05:55.51 | ikonia | so how did he get to grub |
| 05:55.57 | ikonia | I suspect manual intervention of some sort |
| 05:56.02 | nkuttler | jameson: boot from installer again, install gru again |
| 05:56.04 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 05:56.07 | nkuttler | jameson: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 05:56.28 | jim | is that the release notes? |
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| 05:56.36 | kopper | Open and find out |
| 05:56.47 | nkuttler | urls, how do they work |
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| 05:58.19 | jim | ok... good enuf :) jameson, seems like you;re in good hands... I'll check in later :) |
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| 05:59.14 | jameson | boot installer and install grub again, or do rescue mode? |
| 05:59.21 | jameson | many thanks jim! |
| 05:59.48 | jameson | or do a live thing? |
| 06:00.34 | ikonia | jameson: what exactly happens when you try to boot the host |
| 06:00.46 | ikonia | it feels there is a bit of info missing here |
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| 06:01.28 | jameson | I get GRUB, and "error: unknown filesystem" and "Entering rescue mode..." and "grub rescue>" |
| 06:01.45 | jameson | grub as in, "GRUB loading. / Welcome to GRUB@" |
| 06:01.47 | jameson | grub as in, "GRUB loading. / Welcome to GRUB!" |
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| 06:03.14 | ikonia | ok - so it's not pxebooting then as was told |
| 06:03.21 | ikonia | it's just booting to a broken grub install |
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| 06:04.32 | jameson | so I should go back into the installer and re-install grub? |
| 06:05.28 | ikonia | I'd suggest looking at grub and possibly re-installing it if it's looking in the wrong place |
| 06:05.46 | ikonia | it could just be missing the config file so won't generate the menu you expect |
| 06:05.49 | ikonia | but grub is where you should be looking |
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| 06:06.13 | jameson | I can do that from a live usb right? |
| 06:06.15 | ikonia | try to also explain the problem clearly, eg: the problem was "it's pxebooting when a boot" - actually pxeboot is not happening at all, you just have a broken grub install |
| 06:06.22 | ikonia | jameson: you can do it from a live media, yes |
| 06:06.23 | jameson | like booting the live usb into live insteal of an installer? |
| 06:06.30 | ikonia | jameson: you can do that |
| 06:06.46 | ikonia | jameson: you could probably do it from the installer too, |
| 06:07.08 | jameson | alright, in the live media |
| 06:07.47 | jameson | and omg lol, I'm STILL getting screen tearing issues like I did on manjaro |
| 06:07.52 | jameson | but, one thing at a time |
| 06:09.39 | jim | ikonia, we could only tell you what we observed,,, my first time seeing that |
| 06:09.48 | ikonia | jim: nothing wrong with that |
| 06:09.51 | Maid-Chan | does anyone know if there is a way to turn off draging windows from workspace to workspace? |
| 06:09.57 | ikonia | jim: out of interest what made you think it was in a pxe loop ? |
| 06:10.35 | Maid-Chan | in xfce i mean |
| 06:10.46 | jim | because jameson reported it saying something about PXE (and, I didn't know it was a loop) |
| 06:11.08 | ikonia | jim: ah, so just a bit of miss-information pulled you down the wrong track |
| 06:11.20 | jim | yep |
| 06:11.21 | Maid-Chan | i prefer to use the edges of my screen for snapping and just use the context menu to move workspaces. the odd thing is this is what it did before but something changed either adding a second monitor or changing the layout of workspaces from 4 horizontal to a 2x2 square on my panel. |
| 06:11.23 | jameson | okay, I'm on the live usb lol, how do I reinstall grub? |
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| 06:11.34 | ikonia | jameson: before you go further can I query one thing |
| 06:11.38 | jameson | sure |
| 06:11.47 | ikonia | jameson: why are you doing a net install ? |
| 06:11.49 | ikonia | jameson: why are you not just doing a standard debian install |
| 06:12.18 | jim | what's a "standard debian install"? |
| 06:12.20 | jameson | I had trouble with the regular one, did all of it up to the network mirrors part. That kept failing, so someone said to do this install |
| 06:12.35 | Maid-Chan | net install isn't the standard? i used live and someone berated me that i should be using netinstall since it's the stock. |
| 06:12.46 | ikonia | jim: a non-net-install |
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| 06:13.05 | ikonia | I should say a "more complete" install |
| 06:13.10 | jim | what do you download to start one of those? |
| 06:13.22 | ikonia | jim: as in the net install ? |
| 06:13.40 | jim | I usually have people download the firmware one |
| 06:13.51 | jameson | this one has the wifi firmware stuff on it |
| 06:14.09 | ikonia | jameson: have a look at the link nkuttler posted which explains the grub process for troubleshooting a broken install |
| 06:14.36 | jameson | alright thanks ikonia I'll give it a look |
| 06:15.02 | jameson | I select rescue from the live usb boot menu? |
| 06:15.12 | ikonia | jameson: thats a good option |
| 06:16.11 | jameson | not seeing that from the usb's grub menu |
| 06:16.33 | ikonia | what USB are you booting ? |
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| 06:16.55 | ikonia | the option is rescue |
| 06:16.56 | ikonia | you type it |
| 06:16.58 | ikonia | not select it |
| 06:17.03 | ikonia | read the actual page |
| 06:17.46 | ikonia | although it maybe could do with a bit of clearer wording be more helpful perhaps |
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| 06:19.53 | jameson | is the boot menu before grub? I tried "rescue" in grub and it didn't work |
| 06:20.10 | ikonia | boot menu before grub ? |
| 06:20.17 | ikonia | what boot menu before grub ? |
| 06:20.29 | ikonia | jameson: what media are you actually booting here ? |
| 06:20.42 | jameson | the live usb/installation usb with debian on it |
| 06:21.46 | ikonia | jameson: when you say you typed rescue in grub, do you mean the broken grub it boots to, or the grub prompt from booting the live media ? |
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| 06:21.59 | jameson | the grub prompt from the live media |
| 06:22.12 | jameson | I'll try the broken grub again |
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| 06:22.59 | jameson | in the broken grub, I get "unknown command: rescue" |
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| 06:23.14 | ikonia | no, the broken grub won't work |
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| 06:24.00 | ikonia | when you boot the live media - how/where are you typing "rescue" |
| 06:24.05 | ikonia | what menu options do you see ? |
| 06:24.20 | jameson | I'm hitting 'c' for a command line |
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| 06:24.41 | jameson | from the grub menu |
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| 06:25.48 | ikonia | ok - what menu do you have |
| 06:25.51 | ikonia | what are the options |
| 06:26.12 | ikonia | (in the grub menu) |
| 06:26.48 | jameson | Debian GNU/Linux Live, Debian Live with Localisation Support, Graphical Debian Installer, Debian Installer, and Debian Installer with speech synthesis |
| 06:27.11 | ikonia | so there should be a line that says something like press f6 for advanced options, or something like that |
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| 06:27.25 | ikonia | jameson: you can just use the Live option |
| 06:27.35 | ikonia | jameson: re-apply grub from the Debian Linux ive option |
| 06:27.47 | ikonia | "live" option |
| 06:28.16 | jameson | alright, selected the live option, where do I type "rescue"? |
| 06:29.09 | ikonia | you don't |
| 06:29.20 | ikonia | just use the live media as platform to fix grub |
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| 06:29.39 | jameson | how do I do that? |
| 06:30.16 | ikonia | jameson: there is an initial comment on the page |
| 06:30.18 | Maid-Chan | any of you know anything about my workspace issue on xfce? |
| 06:30.44 | jim | you'll be mounting several things (not all real partitions), then you chroot into that dir, and you can install it from there |
| 06:30.46 | ikonia | jameson: but you'll have to work out if you want to run that from the livemedia or setup a chroot (probablly better) to use the binaries you've already installed to re-apply it |
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| 06:31.29 | jameson | alright, sounds like chroot is the way to go |
| 06:31.31 | jim | since you have an installation, the chroot could work well |
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| 06:32.05 | jim | it's probably remnants of an old broken grub install that's the problem |
| 06:32.33 | jameson | ikonia: on the "recovering a broken system" page? |
| 06:32.47 | ikonia | jameson: yes, but thats assuming you booted from the rescue mode |
| 06:33.41 | jameson | brb |
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| 06:42.28 | jameson | back |
| 06:46.08 | jameson | ikonia: i'm back, what am I supposed to do next with chroot? |
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| 06:49.04 | jim | jameson, I think we make an empty dir to serve as the chroot, then mount the / partition on that dir... |
| 06:49.12 | jim | then several more mounts: |
| 06:49.47 | ikonia | don't forget /proc |
| 06:49.48 | jim | if you have a separate /boot (I don't remember that you do) you would mount it on /boot |
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| 06:49.57 | ikonia | (and /dev) |
| 06:50.08 | jim | then you mount the ESP on /boot/efi |
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| 06:50.30 | jameson | where do I make the empty directory to? |
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| 06:50.58 | jim | probably can be anywhere |
| 06:51.00 | jameson | and how? mkdir? or file-browser? |
| 06:51.06 | jameson | gotcha |
| 06:51.10 | jim | mkdir |
| 06:51.35 | jim | you can call it chroot if you want |
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| 06:51.59 | jim | but you need to know where you created it (/chroot maybe?) |
| 06:52.33 | jameson | alright I made it, and yes it's on /chroot |
| 06:53.05 | jim | ok, now mount your / partition on /chroot |
| 06:53.14 | localhost_ | well keep frozen system by some reason from time to time ... how do i supossed to find out what happenning |
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| 06:53.43 | jim | hmm? |
| 06:54.26 | jameson | jim: how, again? |
| 06:55.12 | jim | jameson, to mount? first you need to get what the rescue disk is calling the drive... is it sda? sdb? |
| 06:56.42 | jim | you can probably do that looking at the output of lsblk |
| 06:57.11 | jim | you have a live cd booted? |
| 06:57.17 | jameson | yes |
| 06:57.21 | jim | ok |
| 06:57.32 | jim | so you probably have all that stuff |
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| 06:59.48 | jameson | which one am I looking for in lsblk? I don't see anything called chroot there, but I do see my other partitions |
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| 07:07.09 | annadane | afaik the live cd shouldn't even show up in lsblk |
| 07:07.44 | annadane | ...i misread, sorry |
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| 07:10.49 | jim | 'jameson, you're looking for those same partitions you made in the installer |
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| 07:11.18 | jim | (oopsjameson, you're looking for those same partitions you made in the installer |
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| 07:16.11 | jameson | yeah I see them |
| 07:16.38 | jim | what are they called? |
| 07:18.08 | jameson | sda1 for the 37m efi one, sda2 for the 8.8 gig swap one, sda3 for the /home one, and sda4 for the 30gig one the os is installed on |
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| 07:19.21 | jim | ok, so those device nodes will be in /dev... try: ls /dev/sda* |
| 07:20.06 | jameson | yes, I see them there |
| 07:20.08 | jameson | too |
| 07:20.15 | jim | good |
| 07:20.46 | jim | so, first, the / partition (sda4): mount /dev/sda4 /chroot |
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| 07:22.13 | jameson | I get "mount point /chroot does not exist" |
| 07:22.37 | jim | ok, we'll make it: mkdir /chroot |
| 07:23.19 | jim | did that work? |
| 07:23.35 | jim | ls -d /chroot |
| 07:24.03 | jameson | cannot access 'chroot': no such file or directory |
| 07:24.24 | jameson | wait nvm |
| 07:24.26 | jim | try again, ls /chroot |
| 07:24.33 | jim | with the -d |
| 07:24.38 | jameson | forgot the slash lol, yeah it's there now |
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| 07:24.47 | jim | try the mount |
| 07:25.08 | jim | mount /dev/sda4 /chroot |
| 07:25.46 | jim | did it work that time? |
| 07:26.32 | jameson | yeah |
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| 07:27.01 | jim | good... do you have a dir /boot/efi? (ls -d /boot/efi) |
| 07:27.31 | jameson | no such file or directory |
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| 07:27.53 | jim | just a sec |
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| 07:29.01 | cybrNaut | fetchmail seems like a dying project.. I'm reading that "getmail" is thought to be the modern-day replacement for fetchmail, but there is no #getmail channel. |
| 07:29.07 | cybrNaut | so, looks bleek. |
| 07:29.24 | cybrNaut | is there another fetchmail replacement, besides getmail? |
| 07:29.43 | jim | here's a general thing... there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help |
| 07:30.07 | cybrNaut | jim: that's actually how I knew there was not getmail channel |
| 07:30.18 | jim | oh ok :) |
| 07:30.47 | jim | jameson, ls -d /boot |
| 07:31.20 | jameson | yup, there's a /boot there |
| 07:31.38 | jim | but no /boot/efi? |
| 07:31.51 | jameson | nope |
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| 07:32.18 | jim | ok... mkdir /boot/efi |
| 07:32.35 | jim | wait, |
| 07:32.45 | jim | sorry, goofed :) |
| 07:33.23 | jim | try: ls -d /chroot/boot/efi |
| 07:34.09 | jameson | yeah there's that in there |
| 07:35.14 | jim | ok good... mount /dev/sda1 /chroot/boot/efi |
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| 07:36.02 | jameson | alright, did that |
| 07:36.32 | jim | those are all the real mounts, what's left is to mount sys and proc |
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| 07:38.14 | jim | one more, you also want /dev |
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| 07:38.32 | jameson | awesome, how do I do those? and /dev? |
| 07:38.38 | jim | so, mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 07:39.17 | jameson | alright, did that |
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| 07:39.42 | jim | mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc |
| 07:40.31 | jameson | alrighty, did that one too |
| 07:40.46 | jim | mount --bind /sys /chroot/sys |
| 07:41.46 | jameson | did that one too |
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| 07:42.18 | jim | I think your chroot is ready. try: chroot /chroot /bin/bash |
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| 07:43.02 | jameson | bash: chroot: command not found |
| 07:43.31 | jim | that's bad :) |
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| 07:43.51 | jim | echo " $PATH" |
| 07:44.16 | jim | the space is for irc |
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| 07:45.41 | jameson | I get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 07:46.24 | jim | ok, chroot is in /usr/sbin which isn't in your current path |
| 07:46.38 | jim | we'll just do it this way: |
| 07:47.13 | jim | try: /usr/sbin/chroot /chroot /bin/bash |
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| 07:48.12 | jameson | I'm now root@debian |
| 07:48.23 | jim | great, you're in the chroot |
| 07:48.52 | jim | now, try: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 07:49.56 | jameson | some partition table header signatures were wrong, but installation finished with no error reported |
| 07:50.30 | jim | ok, maybe that went ok |
| 07:50.42 | jim | ctrl-d to get out of the chroot |
| 07:51.42 | jameson | out now |
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| 07:53.17 | jim | for i in sys proc dev boot/efi ; do umount /chroot/$i; done |
| 07:54.06 | jim | then umount /chroot |
| 07:54.37 | jim | (a little clean up) |
| 07:55.07 | jameson | got operation not permitted on all of them |
| 07:55.34 | jameson | tried sudo but 'syntax error with unexpected token do' |
| 07:56.15 | jim | oh, are you root rignt now? |
| 07:56.30 | jameson | no, should I be? |
| 07:57.12 | jim | yeah, we might as well clean up |
| 07:58.00 | jim | all those mounts, we should probably unmount them first |
| 07:58.32 | Maido-Chan | what is cpp in terms of compiz and xfce? |
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| 07:59.00 | jim | by the way, I took a guess before, that when you installed manjaro before, you put grub in the mbr of that drive |
| 07:59.31 | jameson | root now but unmounting them still isn't working |
| 07:59.39 | zackbrown | I downloaded the binary nvidia driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-375.10.run. But when I try to run it, it says I can't have X running. How can I exit X? |
| 07:59.52 | jameson | "mountpoint not found" |
| 07:59.53 | jim | ok, one at a time then :) |
| 07:59.55 | jameson | for all four |
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| 08:00.18 | jim | umount /chroot/proc |
| 08:00.49 | jim | try that one |
| 08:00.55 | jameson | that worked |
| 08:01.02 | jim | oh good :) |
| 08:01.09 | jim | umount /chroot/dev |
| 08:01.18 | jim | umount /chroot/sys |
| 08:01.33 | jim | umount /chroot/boot/efi |
| 08:01.42 | jim | umount /chroot |
| 08:01.54 | Maido-Chan | trying to get compiz to check it out and ran [compiz --replace cpp &] as instructed and got the error [compiz (core) - Error: Failed to load plugin: cpp] i seem to have lost the ability to see/use the title bars on windows as a result. |
| 08:02.41 | jim | it's possible you crashed the wm |
| 08:03.12 | jameson | can't unmount /chroot, "target is busy" |
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| 08:03.27 | jim | you may be CDed in there |
| 08:03.56 | jim | or, we forgot a mount |
| 08:03.57 | jameson | I was when I first tried, but then CD'd to / |
| 08:04.04 | Maido-Chan | jim, i figured the command closed the wm and that cpp not loading stopped it from getting replaced. i'm mainly wondering what cpp is and why it couldn't be loaded when apt says i already have the package cpp(just guessing it's the same cpp) |
| 08:04.24 | jim | what's a cpp btw? |
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| 08:04.52 | Maido-Chan | that's exactly what i'm trying to asertain. only cpp i know is the files for c++ programming language. :P |
| 08:05.22 | jim | oh ok... try loading compiz without it |
| 08:05.41 | jim | compiz --replace & |
| 08:05.56 | Maido-Chan | ok so still keep the anpersand? what's that do? |
| 08:06.14 | jim | puts the wm in the background |
| 08:06.21 | Maido-Chan | ahh. |
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| 08:06.38 | Maido-Chan | well i can now click on windows to switch focus instead of needing to use panel but i still don't have title bars. |
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| 08:06.57 | Maido-Chan | then again maybe compiz doesn't have title bars? |
| 08:06.58 | jim | (so then you get your prompt back when you hit enter) |
| 08:07.09 | oo_miguel | given a package from the repo how can I see all the config options and sources it was built with (and probably change them and recompile the package) ? |
| 08:07.22 | jameson | jim: which mount was missed? |
| 08:07.22 | BigBert | Hello, I am trying to install the wifi driver on my asus 100TA(https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/T100TA) but it doesn't work and I have no /tmp/var/syslog. Does anyone have expirience with that? |
| 08:07.28 | Maido-Chan | oddly i don't have control of the prompt still but the guide warned that was normal. |
| 08:08.00 | jim | jameson, look at the output of mount... I thought we got em all) |
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| 08:08.57 | jameson | just mount? there's a bunch of stuff |
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| 08:09.27 | at0m | BigBert: /tmp/var/syslog ? probably /var/log/syslog |
| 08:09.35 | jim | you know something... you can probably reboot |
| 08:09.46 | thecat | when recompiling Debian packages myself, I noticed that often in debian/rules, there is explicitly "gir" added to the build options |
| 08:09.49 | thecat | such as: |
| 08:09.51 | thecat | dh $@ --parallel --with autoreconf,gir,python2 |
| 08:09.59 | jameson | alright, I'll do that jim |
| 08:10.12 | thecat | from what i could find, gir seems to refer to "GObject introspection" |
| 08:10.19 | jim | see if grub works any better |
| 08:10.20 | thecat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.23 | jameson | back into the live media? |
| 08:10.34 | jim | no, reboot your dist |
| 08:10.37 | thecat | is this something optional, that can be left out |
| 08:10.39 | thecat | or is "GObject introspection" essential ? |
| 08:10.46 | Maido-Chan | ohh hey chromium has a title bar (well the minimize, restore, close buttons anyway)...firefox-esr doesn't...hexchat doesn't...pidgin doesn't...terminal doesn't...that's just weird. |
| 08:10.59 | jameson | still grub rescue |
| 08:11.16 | jim | the same way? |
| 08:11.33 | jameson | yeah |
| 08:11.45 | BigBert | at0m: ahh that helps. Ty |
| 08:11.57 | jim | I wonder if one of your partitions is marked to boot from |
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| 08:12.35 | jameson | is there any way to disable the loud-ass beep that happens every time I boot into the live media? lol |
| 08:12.46 | jameson | legitimately concerned it'll wake people up |
| 08:12.57 | jameson | how do I find that out jim? |
| 08:13.04 | jim | heh, so it's late? |
| 08:13.21 | jameson | yeah |
| 08:13.39 | jameson | super sleepy lol |
| 08:13.44 | jim | I do not know, without literally pulling the internal speaker plug |
| 08:14.12 | jim | maybe we should call it, and continue sometime tomorrow... |
| 08:14.29 | jameson | yeah, that sounds like a good idea! thanks for all the help jim |
| 08:14.38 | jim | welcome |
| 08:14.39 | p0g0 | I disable such things by physically removing them. Some of the beed codes are very low level BIOS things, so it may be hard to find all the soft switches to turn them off. |
| 08:14.50 | p0g0 | *beep |
| 08:15.00 | jim | what time is it over there? |
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| 08:15.23 | jameson | 1:15 |
| 08:15.38 | jim | oh, you're on west coast |
| 08:15.51 | jameson | yup |
| 08:16.41 | Maido-Chan | k. is there some way to start the xfce WM back up since i'm not having any luck figuring out what went wrong? |
| 08:17.00 | jim | do you know the name of it |
| 08:17.01 | jim | ? |
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| 08:17.19 | jim | you can try thatwm --replace |
| 08:17.23 | Maido-Chan | dunno. whatever came by default when i installed xfce4 with apt? :P |
| 08:17.40 | jim | no idea :) |
| 08:18.02 | jim | or maybe thatwm --replace & |
| 08:18.06 | Maido-Chan | looks like xfwm maybe? |
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| 08:18.15 | jim | try it |
| 08:18.27 | BigBert | at0m: got it working, that page is not exactly right with its locations |
| 08:18.43 | Maido-Chan | nop command not found but wiki says that's the wm used by xfce... >.< |
| 08:18.50 | Maido-Chan | i'm gonna hafta reboot aren't i? |
| 08:19.06 | jim | command not found? |
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| 08:21.36 | Maido-Chan | yeah |
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| 08:22.40 | jim | Maido-Chan, I don't think so... oh, you mean to restart the normal wm... |
| 08:23.39 | Maido-Chan | basically i'm thinking a reboot should restore me back to how i was before i started compiz since i haven't changed any settings. |
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| 08:25.33 | jim | try this |
| 08:25.41 | jim | (just a guess) ls /usr/bin/*wm |
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| 08:26.19 | jim | some wms are named ending in wm, most executables in /usr/bin |
| 08:26.30 | p0g0 | I don't know if this will work in your case, but you might try telinit 3 then telinit 5 as an alternative to rebooting, or if startx is the greeter, pkill startx;startx these are guesses, to be sure. |
| 08:26.46 | Maido-Chan | ./usr/bin/pbmtocmuwm |
| 08:27.00 | Maido-Chan | ignore the dot that was to make the text render. :P |
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| 08:27.17 | jim | right, can't be a / |
| 08:27.41 | jim | that doesn't seem like a wm |
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| 08:28.20 | Maido-Chan | the pkill solution would still require me to close my apps, yeah? |
| 08:29.18 | p0g0 | that should only kill the greeter, the thing that launches the window manager, if that even applies in your case. |
| 08:29.41 | jim | you may wish to just reboot (having said that, reboots are an extreme action) |
| 08:29.43 | p0g0 | And you'd be relaunching the greeter |
| 08:29.59 | p0g0 | rebooting sounds like a plan too. |
| 08:30.02 | Maido-Chan | when i first installed xfce4 i believe i launched it with startx. i don't know any other way to start a gui. :P |
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| 08:30.35 | Maido-Chan | well looks like my video playlist just ended so now could be a good time to reboot. |
| 08:30.45 | jim | before you do... |
| 08:30.53 | jim | try: which xfwm |
| 08:31.18 | jim | I don't think you'd get a response |
| 08:31.20 | Maido-Chan | gives me control of terminal with no output. |
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| 08:31.49 | p0g0 | xfwm is not in your path then |
| 08:32.02 | Maido-Chan | odd theory. i figured since i have xfce4 maybe it's xfwm4... ran that. complained that compiz is running |
| 08:32.03 | p0g0 | or oyu don't have the rights to see it. |
| 08:32.06 | p0g0 | *you |
| 08:32.20 | jim | p0g0, could it be it's in yours? |
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| 08:33.05 | Maido-Chan | which xfwm4 DOES give an output. :P |
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| 08:33.12 | p0g0 | This machine is not reporting any xfwm either |
| 08:33.47 | jim | Maido-Chan try xfwm4 --replace & |
| 08:33.48 | Maido-Chan | WOOT! [xfwm4 --replace &] seems to have fixxed me. |
| 08:33.58 | jim | befiore you reboot |
| 08:34.16 | jim | cool |
| 08:34.17 | Maido-Chan | all windows are now working as they did before. |
| 08:34.21 | juliennicouleaud | Hi everyone, not sure whether this is the right channel the question, but I guess you'll let me know :). I'mtrying to install mariadb on debian 9 and I'm running into issues... |
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| 08:34.36 | jim | then you can try compiz and come back all you want |
| 08:34.38 | juliennicouleaud | This is the issue I'm encountering : https://pastebin.com/gxPNEjXa |
| 08:34.50 | Maido-Chan | I'll hafta wait till someone gets on who knows compiz before i try poking it any more I think. :P |
| 08:35.15 | Maido-Chan | it's true that i can experiment though. :P |
| 08:35.18 | juliennicouleaud | Has anyone had this issue ? |
| 08:35.35 | Maido-Chan | could running compiz the first time have loaded it and then compiz wouldn't replace itself? or maybe compiz NEEDS cpp? |
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| 08:36.20 | jim | juliennicouleaud, what was the (full text of the) command that gave that output? |
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| 08:39.20 | jim | Maido-Chan. I think I wanted to play with compiz at one time |
| 08:39.27 | juliennicouleaud | jim, the command was "sudo apt-get install mariadb-server" |
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| 08:41.00 | jim | could you try again, this time like this: sudo apt-get install mariadb-server 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 08:41.29 | jim | that will return a url, you can look at it |
| 08:41.47 | jim | and give it to us so we can see too |
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| 08:42.27 | Maido-Chan | would it be stupid to write a shell/bash script termbin.sh and put it in my path and the script basically just does that putting whatever i put after the word termbin before the pipe? |
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| 08:47.23 | jim | probably means less typing |
| 08:47.53 | jim | might want to call it termbin rather than termbin.sh |
| 08:48.00 | jim | or make it an alias |
| 08:48.53 | flux242 | why would they use non standard port 9999? It could be disabled on the firewall |
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| 08:49.29 | Maido-Chan | can alias' parse text? i thought it just replaces the text you typed. |
| 08:49.47 | Maido-Chan | i also didn't know that scripts could run without .sh :P |
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| 08:53.14 | juliennicouleaud | Hmm I seem to have broken something, now it says "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem". And I still get the same error afterwards... |
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| 08:53.44 | juliennicouleaud | I'll look into it a bit more, and maybe get back to you then, at the moment I seem to have made a bit of a mess |
| 08:54.00 | juliennicouleaud | sorry about the noise and maybe talk to you later |
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| 08:59.43 | genabi | Hey. Quick question: I have old Debian (7/wheezy) and I need sources for quotacheck to recompile it. I have edited /etc/apt/sources.list to point to ftp with pub/Linux/debian/dists/oldoldstable/ but no luck: "E: Unable to find a source package for quotacheck". What is the proper way to obtain quotacheck sources for this version of debian? |
| 09:00.41 | jim | genabi, wheezy might be on archive.debian.net |
| 09:01.10 | jim | or maybe not... shouldnt' it still be on the main mirrors? |
| 09:01.25 | genabi | juhop_: That's not it? http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/debian/dists/oldoldstable/ |
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| 09:01.53 | genabi | s/juhop/jim/; sorry |
| 09:02.30 | jim | genabi, try by name: http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/debian/dists/wheezy |
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| 09:03.31 | genabi | jim: No joy |
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| 09:03.36 | jim | BUT right now I think jessie is oldstable |
| 09:03.46 | genabi | (that's oldold) |
| 09:04.21 | jim | yeah, so wheezy is archived |
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| 09:04.26 | genabi | This (oldold) file says it's wheezy: http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/debian/dists/oldoldstable/Release |
| 09:04.52 | genabi | But anyway, can't get sources for quotacheck from http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/debian/dists/oldoldstable/ nor http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/debian/dists/wheezy |
| 09:04.57 | jim | oh, they still have it? |
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| 09:08.01 | jim | just a sec |
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| 09:14.32 | jim | genabi, this is the file /etc/apt/Makefile: http://termbin.com/m7hq |
| 09:14.44 | jim | just a sec |
| 09:15.51 | genabi | What provides "make" for Debian? :) |
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| 09:16.07 | genabi | some sort of clang or gcc packages, or...? |
| 09:16.23 | jim | genabi, this is the file /etc/apt/sources.list.m4: http://termbin.com/vkuu |
| 09:16.40 | jim | probably the package make |
| 09:17.12 | jim | but that sources.list.m4 needs some tweaking: |
| 09:17.22 | genabi | Tried 'apt-get make' before asking but "E: Package 'make' has no installation candidate" |
| 09:17.58 | genabi | ('apt-get install make', that is) |
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| 09:18.32 | jim | that should be right |
| 09:18.43 | jim | but, do you have m4? |
| 09:18.59 | jim | you should if you have any auto* |
| 09:19.56 | jim | btw, you'll hear a lot of noise if you say "m4" or "autoconf" :) just so you know |
| 09:20.36 | jim | see what happens if you m4 |
| 09:21.08 | jim | and, you need to edit sources.list.m4 |
| 09:21.14 | genabi | jim: no make, no m4. Isn't there just a place where you can download sources of the distribution in question? |
| 09:21.29 | genabi | Like, "the whiole debian 7 wheezy" |
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| 09:22.03 | jim | try this in your sources.list... |
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| 09:24.15 | jim | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 09:24.39 | jim | genabi, put that in your sources.list |
| 09:25.41 | jim | lemme know when you did that |
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| 09:26.02 | genabi | jim: Sadly: E: Unable to locate package quotacheck |
| 09:26.31 | jim | tell me what you did :) |
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| 09:27.30 | jim | gotta connect here... I'm just sittin here like a bump on a log :) |
| 09:27.34 | genabi | genabi: put "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list; at the moment this is the only line there |
| 09:27.52 | jim | ok, try: apt-get update |
| 09:28.21 | genabi | jim: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 193.62.202.28 80] |
| 09:28.54 | jim | ugh |
| 09:29.02 | jim | what did they do |
| 09:29.07 | jim | !archives |
| 09:29.07 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 09:29.46 | jim | ok, we got the name wrong |
| 09:30.04 | jim | it's archive.debian.net |
| 09:30.37 | genabi | jim: Looks like it's updating! :) |
| 09:30.58 | jim | sounds good... |
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| 09:31.48 | genabi | Argh, nope. https://pastebin.com/s5dh6hxk |
| 09:31.49 | genabi | curl -I https://archive.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/source/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 09:31.53 | genabi | HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable |
| 09:32.38 | jim | hold on... |
| 09:32.50 | jim | did the update work? |
| 09:33.19 | genabi | jim: no, loooked like it was working but threw errors, pastebin above is from apt-get update |
| 09:33.22 | jim | we'll think about sources in a moment |
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| 09:34.18 | jim | what in the hell's going on... |
| 09:34.47 | jim | try apt-get install make |
| 09:35.06 | jim | the curl thing, dunno about that thing |
| 09:35.10 | genabi | It's my clients fault to be honest. The guy literally prohibits any updating if everything is working. |
| 09:35.44 | genabi | jim: E: Unable to locate package make |
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| 09:35.52 | jim | so... ok |
| 09:36.07 | genabi | be back in 5, sorry |
| 09:36.09 | jim | so we're working on your client's machine? |
| 09:36.18 | jim | ok |
| 09:39.51 | jim | https://archive.debian.net/: Service disabled! |
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| 09:40.45 | jim | https://archive.debian.org/: The owner of archive.debian.org has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website. |
| 09:41.04 | genabi | jim: Yeah, that's the 503 :) |
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| 09:44.09 | jim | when I added the exception, it' |
| 09:44.13 | jim | is workign |
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| 09:46.05 | genabi | jim: Or you just refreshed the cache ;-) It wasn't working for me before also. |
| 09:46.23 | jim | right |
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| 09:46.34 | genabi | jim: Anyway, thatnks a lot, your help is greatly appreciated. I'll go with Cpt Hindsight "This sould've been updated". |
| 09:46.45 | jim | that could be too... it's .org |
| 09:47.10 | jim | is it working for you at the moment? |
| 09:47.44 | genabi | jim: No. I'll leave it for the time being. |
| 09:48.08 | jim | what's your current sources.list? |
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| 09:50.13 | genabi | jim: File contents at the top: https://pastebin.com |
| 09:50.40 | genabi | it stops on this 503 error and says that it's a 301 redirect. |
| 09:50.51 | genabi | Proper url: https://pastebin.com/desYjteN |
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| 09:51.58 | jim | ok, change the .net back to .org |
| 09:52.11 | genabi | 301s are just http->https redirects. It tries http, gets 301 with htps uri and that fails with 503. |
| 09:52.18 | genabi | jim: I have both net and org |
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| 09:52.40 | jim | in the same sources.list |
| 09:52.42 | jim | ? |
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| 09:53.21 | genabi | jim: yeah, check the pastebin above, there's output from cat sources.list |
| 09:53.43 | Boodie | Hi (stretch): Hi everybody, when I try to read a music cd my box refuses to mount it (it opens data cdroms), any suggestions? I have dual boot windows 10 and in windows the music cd plays flawlessly ... |
| 09:53.57 | jim | try commenting out the .net deb line for the moment, try the update again |
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| 09:54.38 | genabi | jim: only 404s with .org; like: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources |
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| 09:55.38 | jim | this is crazy |
| 09:55.44 | genabi | Just site not working :) |
| 09:56.09 | genabi | jim: I'll wait for the site to start working and in the meantime I have some other things to do. As sait - I really appreciate your help. |
| 09:56.19 | genabi | Take care :) |
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| 09:56.56 | jim | Boodie, I'm not sure, but I don't think an audio cd wants to be mounted |
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| 09:59.40 | Boodie | jim: Its icon appears in the file manager, when I double click it, I get an error message "Failed to mount "Audio Disc". Location is unmountable" |
| 10:00.06 | Boodie | I renewed my PC, before it worked flawlessly |
| 10:00.38 | Boodie | But the same cd, under windows 10 is recognised and played no problem |
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| 10:04.09 | Boodie | This is the output of 'dmesg | tail' |
| 10:04.12 | Boodie | http://paste.debian.net/987373/ |
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| 10:07.47 | Boodie | the command 'cat /proc/filesystems | grep iso9660' gives no output ... is this normal? |
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| 10:18.40 | jim | that's interesting... no iso9660, extanything, xfs, or anything in my /proc/filesystems |
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| 10:19.13 | jim | and I have some ext4s mounted, the driver should be there |
| 10:22.28 | Boodie | Everything seems to be a struggle ... but my old PC worked no problem, from jessie to stretch. Now, this is a fresh install. Something must be missing ... maybe I have to set myself some permissions? |
| 10:22.47 | Boodie | Data CDROMs work no problem |
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| 10:25.37 | Boodie | Everything works in Windows, so, no hardware problems |
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| 10:37.06 | Alucard4200 | hi |
| 10:37.12 | bazhang | hi |
| 10:37.17 | Alucard4200 | wassup |
| 10:37.29 | bazhang | debian support |
| 10:38.08 | Alucard4200 | yes |
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| 10:38.09 | Alucard4200 | :) |
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| 10:44.48 | jim | can I file a bug against archive.debian.org? |
| 10:45.45 | gpunk | why ? |
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| 10:47.01 | jim | sometimes can't find the stuff on it, sometimes I can, the cert seems problematic, so archive.debian.net has moved? |
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| 10:48.04 | gpunk | no, just read what is written there :) |
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| 10:50.09 | jim | it says the cert was modified this minute |
| 10:50.39 | jim | maybe it works now, I dunno |
| 10:50.39 | gpunk | you can use this : http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 10:51.08 | jim | oh, not https |
| 10:51.34 | jim | that makes sense, could work. thanks |
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| 10:51.52 | gpunk | wlc |
| 10:51.53 | jim | maybe the person I was helping will see that too :) |
| 10:52.38 | jim | I guess I can test it on my remote (which I c can't upgrade yet) |
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| 11:04.45 | matt_keys | Is there a way to select ALSA instead of pulse during installation of deb9 stretch? |
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| 11:05.40 | nkuttler | matt_keys: pulse is probably pulled in by something like gnome? |
| 11:06.02 | matt_keys | nkuttler: yea, i used some guides for wheezy but things seemed to have changed in stretch |
| 11:06.18 | matt_keys | nkuttler: e.g. there is no alsa-base in stretch |
| 11:07.04 | jim | I think you need alsa, don't you? |
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| 11:07.45 | jim | ,depends pulse |
| 11:07.46 | judd | No package named 'pulse' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 11:07.55 | jim | ,depends pulseaudio |
| 11:07.56 | judd | Package pulseaudio in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.24.1), libc6 (>= 2.15), libcap2 (>= 1:2.10), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.4.6), liborc-0.4-0 (>= 1:0.4.25), libpulse0 (= 10.0-1+deb9u1), libsm6, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.20), libsoxr0 (>= 0.1.0), libspeexdsp1 (>= 1.2~beta3.2-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libsystemd0, libtdb1 (>= |
| 11:07.57 | judd | 1.2.7+git20101214), libudev1 (>= 183), libwebrtc-audio-processing1, libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb1, libxtst6, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), libasound2-plugins, pulseaudio-utils. |
| 11:08.51 | jim | hmm, why would pulse depend on adduser? |
| 11:09.06 | matt_keys | to add 'audio' group |
| 11:09.24 | matt_keys | at least thats my guess |
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| 11:09.53 | jim | oh, that makes sense |
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| 11:10.10 | rotaticus | i also got the groups pulse and pulse-access |
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| 11:10.31 | matt_keys | I guess a better question would be - is there a way to select anything else other than pulse as the default? |
| 11:10.45 | matt_keys | like completely jack audio |
| 11:10.48 | rotaticus | pulse is ontop of alsa iirc |
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| 11:11.31 | matt_keys | rotaticus : yeah thats the problem :) |
| 11:11.57 | jim | you could try the cadence package... I built it from sources, it lets pulse, jack and alsa all coexist, and the result is I can route audio from anything to anything |
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| 11:12.15 | matt_keys | kxstudio? |
| 11:12.30 | jim | exactly, but you just need cadence |
| 11:12.33 | rotaticus | so what is the problem? |
| 11:12.41 | jim | the other things in kx are icing |
| 11:13.34 | matt_keys | rotaticus : conflicts between apps mainly. it would be much easier for what i'm doing if it was purely alsa or jack |
| 11:14.12 | matt_keys | jim : i may give that another shot. it's been a year or two since i tried kx or av |
| 11:14.57 | jim | again, you can build the cadence packages (except the one involving unity) from source under debian |
| 11:15.14 | jim | what's av? |
| 11:15.26 | matt_keys | jim : avlinux, i think it's a dead distro now though |
| 11:16.02 | rotaticus | pulseaudio -k ? padsp ? sry i don't understand your problem |
| 11:16.29 | jim | my use case was, I needed to have a midi sequencer and a soundfont server to be driven by the sequencer... cadence made that all possible |
| 11:17.01 | jim | oh ok |
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| 11:18.07 | j0z | hey friends has anyone adebian 9 working x-chat to send me please?? |
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| 11:18.43 | matt_keys | jim : same scenario here in a sense. i have a tascam 16x08 usb interface (it has midi in and out), behringer midi footcontroller, m-audio usb midi keyboard |
| 11:18.55 | jim | I was trying to arrange for cadence (at least) to be addable to debian, but there were problems with how the developers wanted to do things, and I didn't really want to push things |
| 11:19.11 | matt_keys | jim : and i learned last year that ardour can't handle multiple midi things like that |
| 11:19.18 | towo-vm | j0z, apt install hexcaht |
| 11:19.19 | Sveta | j0z: if xchat is not in the repository, look for hexchat, it's a fork that's more freedom-friendly and maintained |
| 11:19.22 | towo-vm | grr |
| 11:19.28 | towo-vm | j0z, apt install hexchat |
| 11:19.33 | tw | xchat is mostly abandoned, isn't it? |
| 11:19.38 | Sveta | tw: yes |
| 11:19.45 | jim | there is also a #hexchat here |
| 11:20.13 | Sveta | tw: just like 99% of software ... it is 'sort of' alive, you'll find a few peeps who are still fixing it at some rate ... |
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| 11:20.23 | Sveta | tw: (which is why I dislike calling things 'abandoned') |
| 11:20.23 | j0z | thank you guys |
| 11:20.37 | Sveta | tw: only works as a label in comparison with something else such as a fork :-) |
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| 11:21.00 | jim | searches the world for tw |
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| 11:21.53 | jim | hmm, there is a tw here... imagine that :) |
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| 11:22.13 | tw | I'm mostly abandoned too. Zero commits in the last year ;) |
| 11:22.47 | jim | oh, didn't see you there :) |
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| 11:23.28 | matt_keys | jim : thanks for the tips |
| 11:24.02 | jim | welcome |
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| 11:24.50 | jim | I'm using the seq/synth combo to make chord progression practice loops |
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| 11:35.42 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | Hello, good morning from Spain |
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| 11:40.17 | SuperTramp83 | https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bvcn2dFn0ig |
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| 11:42.25 | SuperTramp83 | ^fuck, wrong channel.. that was obviously meant for #debian-offtopic :/ |
| 11:42.56 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | I have a problem during the Debian 9.1 installation from USB, the program says no CD or DVD detected, and I try to create a virtual CDROM unit and mount here the debian ISO image but I can't |
| 11:43.38 | SuperTramp83 | Hijo_Del_Agobio: how did u prepare the usb? |
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| 11:46.48 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | [SuperTramp83] Whit the Yumi multiboot USB creator, the program puts the ISO image in the USB stick |
| 11:47.36 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | the pendrive boot correctly and the installer program works but, not find CD or DVD |
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| 11:48.27 | SuperTramp83 | Hijo_Del_Agobio: if you have access to a gnulinux distro use dd, it just werks |
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| 11:49.35 | SuperTramp83 | on windows I hear rufus does it right |
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| 11:56.46 | towo-vm | don't use rufus or similar tools |
| 11:57.29 | towo-vm | win32disk imigar is known as working |
| 11:57.31 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | [SuperTramp83] Thank you |
| 11:57.46 | towo-vm | s/imigar/imiger |
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| 11:57.54 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | i will try the dd |
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| 11:59.25 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | [towo-vm] win32 disk imager? |
| 12:00.12 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 12:00.12 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 12:02.54 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | thank you very much |
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| 12:03.07 | wfq | morning all |
| 12:03.45 | wfq | guys what's the recommended way to install Python 3.6 on Debian 8 given that the latest version of Python available is Python 3.4.2 |
| 12:04.06 | jim | ,v python3 |
| 12:04.08 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.5.3-3; sid: 3.5.3-3; experimental: 3.6.2-1 |
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| 12:05.41 | jim | you could probably try the debianized sources from experimental, but packages are there for a reason, probably serious problems with the software itself, or with package installs or package removes, or generally with mackage maint scripts |
| 12:06.24 | wfq | jim, thanks. I think it is time for make install - ages ago I did not u se it |
| 12:06.39 | jim | or, you could just get the sources, apt-get build-dep python3, and then build it into something like your home dir |
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| 12:06.56 | cturner | Has udevadm changed recently? The documentation in the ref manual and the wiki doesn't work for me. udevadm info --name=/dev/sda--attribute-walk fails with `syspath not found` despite the device existing. All I want to do is give a persistent name to a removable USB stick :'( |
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| 12:07.31 | jim | if it's slated to go into /usr/local, that's probably ok too |
| 12:07.59 | jim | (but not into /usr, that's hands-off because debian packaging owns it |
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| 12:10.46 | wfq | jim, I will probably install it within /usr/local by using the sources directly |
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| 12:17.54 | jim | that's probably safe; for the most part, debian packaging is not permitted to touch that place, or /home |
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| 12:30.38 | jim | if you make it install somewhere like /usr/local/py36, disadvantage is it's in /usr/local/py36/bin/python, where you have to add it to PATH and MANPATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH maybe |
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| 12:31.16 | jim | advantage is you can blow it away easily with one cmdline |
| 12:31.18 | Brigo | jim, you can put a link in the path too. |
| 12:32.29 | jim | or build the PATH with som funcs I wrote for bash |
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| 13:55.23 | mekeor | any idea why a PDF document would be printed using a different font (than shown with a document viewer)? |
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| 14:01.40 | gpunk | try printing it with another viewer |
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| 14:28.54 | Boodie | Hi (Stretch): I have a problem with audio CDs; I put a cd into the tray, when I try to play a cd it says "Failed to mount "Audio Disc". Location is not mountable". This PC is a fresh install of stretch, dual boot with windows10, where the dc plays flawlessly. Any hints? |
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| 14:34.38 | VLetrmx | Hi how long will jessie receive security updates for |
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| 14:35.10 | VLetrmx | May 2018 |
| 14:35.23 | VLetrmx | Okay great I've got a whole year |
| 14:35.24 | VLetrmx | thanks |
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| 14:35.48 | VLetrmx | my bad it's 2020 |
| 14:36.01 | VLetrmx | even better |
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| 14:36.20 | GNU\colossus | Boodie, Audio CD's don't actually have a mountable file system |
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| 14:36.43 | GNU\colossus | an application might present you a pseudo fs that allows you to access the individual tracks as files though |
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| 14:36.56 | GNU\colossus | (the Linux kernel, however, won't) |
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| 15:36.11 | simias_ | hello there |
| 15:36.41 | simias_ | I've just updated my debian testing and I can't authenticate over ssh with a GPG key anymore |
| 15:36.46 | simias_ | and I don't understand why |
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| 15:37.07 | simias_ | ssh-add -L does list my private key but when I try to ssh somewhere I get |
| 15:37.13 | simias_ | debug1: pubkey_prepare: ssh_get_authentication_socket: Permission denied |
| 15:37.21 | simias_ | I don't really understand why |
| 15:37.41 | simias_ | something that I find somewhat suspicious is that if I use lsof to check who's using the socket I see |
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| 15:37.56 | simias_ | systemd 1256 simias 23u unix 0xffff9a90910fec00 0t0 21731 /run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent type=STREAM |
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| 15:38.10 | simias_ | why does it belong to systemd? |
| 15:38.39 | simias_ | I try to tell systemd to stop spawning gpg-agent so that I can use my usual command line without success |
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| 15:41.11 | jhutchins | simias_: You may find someone more familiar with the current state of ssh in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 15:41.18 | spacebug^ | simias_: lsof says systemd for me too so thats not the problem |
| 15:41.32 | simias_ | jhutchins: ah, I'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 15:41.33 | jhutchins | simias_: All your base are belong to systemd. |
| 15:41.51 | simias_ | spacebug^: right, I just don't know what the problem is so I'd like to be able to start the agent myself without systemd interfering |
| 15:41.56 | simias_ | do you know how I can disable this behaviour? |
| 15:42.21 | simias_ | I tried several variations of 'systemctl --user stop gpg-agent' without success |
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| 15:42.46 | simias_ | if I could tell systemd to just not spawn anything for my user at all it would be cool actually |
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| 15:42.51 | simias_ | I don't really need this functionality |
| 15:43.45 | spacebug^ | simias_: your .ssh has normal permissions? |
| 15:43.58 | simias_ | 700 |
| 15:44.22 | simias_ | it worked earlier today, then I decided to dist-upgrade |
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| 15:44.55 | simias_ | I edited the systemd startup script to pass --enable-ssh-support but it didn't help |
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| 15:45.49 | jameson | jim: |
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| 15:56.24 | jameson | ikonia: |
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| 16:01.33 | jameson | hello all |
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| 16:01.52 | jameson | still getting unknown filesystem and grub rescue mode when attempting to boot my debian installation |
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| 16:03.58 | jameson | was on here last night getting help about it, we were in the middle of doing something and decided to come back to it in the morning because I was super sleepy |
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| 16:06.13 | shtrb | [Offtopic] anyone have a suggestion for a debian friendly UPS (preferably one with batteries I can change myself) ? |
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| 16:06.43 | apollo13 | define debian friendly? what do you expect debian to do with the UPS :D |
| 16:07.01 | apollo13 | but apc via apcupsd usually works |
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| 16:09.37 | shtrb | one that will not need to have quirks in the control protocol (blazer_usb I'm looking at you) :) |
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| 16:12.03 | shtrb | I had several ones that I used with nut, they died (the best took lived for two years) |
| 16:13.02 | shtrb | apollo13 , does the APC you had expeirience with allowed customer battery replacement (9V,12V,24V,48V) ? |
| 16:13.37 | apollo13 | shtrb: I do not know of any UPS which would not allow battery replacement |
| 16:13.41 | apollo13 | would be kinda pointless |
| 16:13.58 | apollo13 | as for your voltages there, the batteries are generally one voltage, not sure what you mean ;) |
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| 16:14.20 | shtrb | apollo13 , I meant one that uses batteries that is almost impossible to get , the last one that "died" has a battery with a cost close the device itself |
| 16:14.33 | apollo13 | ain't that normal? |
| 16:14.51 | apollo13 | ie yes you do not get to use off the shelve batteries, you have to use the ones from APC |
| 16:15.06 | shtrb | as for the batteries , I mean standard one (think of car battery or any other shelf battery ) |
| 16:15.10 | apollo13 | fwiw, buy something with a contract for replacements |
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| 16:16.01 | simias_ | FIY: so it turns out that firejail was the culprit |
| 16:16.05 | apollo13 | is that actually common for UPS? don't think so, then again I usually let someone else care about that :) |
| 16:16.14 | simias_ | it wouldn't let ssh communicate with gpg-agent |
| 16:16.25 | simias_ | the more you know |
| 16:16.26 | shtrb | apollo13 , that is for home use not office |
| 16:17.29 | shtrb | and I'm searching for one that I wouldn't need to relay on a single company to get a replacement |
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| 16:18.07 | apollo13 | I doubt such a thing exists |
| 16:18.11 | apollo13 | especially not for home usage |
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| 16:18.33 | shtrb | :-/ |
| 16:19.13 | jameson | PXE-E63: Error while initializing the NIC / PXE-M0F: Exiting the PXE ROM / error: unknown filesystem / Entering rescue mode |
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| 16:19.34 | jameson | then grub rescue> |
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| 16:20.13 | wfq | hi all |
| 16:20.24 | jameson | hi wqf |
| 16:20.29 | wfq | I am trying to build Python and getting this error all the time: kernel: python[11588]: segfault at 28 ip 00007f2ff9e784d8 sp 00007ffd63048510 error 4 in libc-2.19.so[7f2ff9dff000+1a1000] |
| 16:20.45 | wfq | I am using Debian 8 and have done upgrade and dist-upgrade prior to compilation |
| 16:20.57 | wfq | Any thread from which I can pull please? |
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| 16:22.52 | jameson | hello th0r |
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| 16:24.39 | jameson | still having issues, unknown filesystem and grub goes into rescue mode |
| 16:24.58 | jameson | last thing we tried last night was chrooting and mounting/unmounting stuff, didn't work though |
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| 16:32.14 | jameson | I get "(hd0)(hd0,msdos4)(hd0,msdos3)(hd0,msdos2)(md0,msdos1)" when doing ls from grub rescue |
| 16:32.19 | jameson | I get "(hd0)(hd0,msdos4)(hd0,msdos3)(hd0,msdos2)(hd0,msdos1)" when doing ls from grub rescue |
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| 16:36.18 | jameson | trying this but insmod normal doesn't do anything |
| 16:36.20 | jameson | https://askubuntu.com/questions/142300/how-to-fix-error-unknown-filesystem-grub-rescue |
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| 16:43.17 | jameson | I get "filesystem unknown" for (hd0,msdos2) and (hd0,msdos1) |
| 16:44.04 | jameson | and the other two are ext2 |
| 16:44.17 | wfq | It's almost mission impossible to install Python 3.6 on Debian |
| 16:44.23 | wfq | Debian 8 |
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| 16:44.42 | jameson | trying to do https://askubuntu.com/questions/142300/how-to-fix-error-unknown-filesystem-grub-rescue which one should I replace (hd0,6) with? |
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| 16:45.48 | jmd | Has anyone got an idea how I can automatically get screenshots from gtk+ applications? |
| 16:46.08 | jmd | (Xvfb doesn't play nicely with Gtk+) |
| 16:46.11 | Leglogs | #flood |
| 16:46.29 | th0r | jmd, xfce has a nice screenshot function, as does gkrellm (gkrellshoot) |
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| 16:46.44 | jameson | filesystem is unknown for hd0 |
| 16:46.46 | jmd | th0r: I said "automatically" |
| 16:46.51 | wfq | Has anyone here installed Python 3.6.1/2 on Debian 8? When compiling it from source is getting broken all over. |
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| 16:47.39 | bub_ | wfq: does it compile? and link? |
| 16:48.24 | wfq | when doing make -j 8 after using .configure it breaks at Segmentation fault Makefile:617: recipe for target 'sharedmods' failed |
| 16:48.28 | jameson | "error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" |
| 16:48.39 | wfq | The syslog says: kernel: python[12272]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip ffffffffffffffff sp 00007fffd5e81dc8 error 15 |
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| 16:50.01 | bub_ | segmentation fault when running 'make' .. strange |
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| 16:54.29 | wfq | bub_ as rare as it is it's occurring to me |
| 16:54.32 | shtrb | jmd , shutter ? |
| 16:54.39 | wfq | I am almost giving up |
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| 16:54.50 | wfq | It seems impossible to install python 3.6 :) |
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| 16:54.59 | bub_ | have you tried googling the issue? |
| 16:55.06 | bub_ | there are some hits on the sharedmods failed in Makefile |
| 16:55.10 | wfq | yes |
| 16:55.15 | bub_ | but I see it's mostly about cygwin |
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| 16:56.29 | bub_ | did you try ./configure --with-system-ffi |
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| 16:57.48 | jameson | hello, doing https://askubuntu.com/questions/119597/grub-rescue-error-unknown-filesystem |
| 16:57.50 | jameson | but when I do "insmod /boot/grub/linux.mod" I get "error: file '/boot/grub/linux.mod' not found" |
| 16:58.08 | jmd | shtrb: Looking at its description it seems like it still needs a working X server. |
| 16:58.21 | wfq | bub_ not I haven't. Not sure what to do next |
| 16:58.33 | bub_ | ./configure --with-system-ffi |
| 16:58.36 | bub_ | make clean |
| 16:58.37 | bub_ | make |
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| 16:59.05 | shtrb | jmd , your issue is not having a working X or automatic screen capture ? |
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| 16:59.15 | bub_ | make -j <cores> .. |
| 17:00.04 | jmd | shtrb: I want to generate an image of what an application window looks like when run. |
| 17:00.34 | jmd | And I have over 300 of them so I don't want to have to click on things. |
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| 17:02.16 | shtrb | shutter is a command line tool , (it grabs ALL the screen) maybe you can adjust imagemagick import tool to be closer for your need |
| 17:02.21 | shtrb | also command line tool |
| 17:04.09 | jmd | shtrb: import might do the job. But it would still require an actual screen. Wouldn't work on a headless server I don't think. |
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| 17:04.58 | shtrb | import can (should) run over ssh for example |
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| 17:05.34 | jmd | But it still needs to contact a display running the target? |
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| 17:08.59 | shtrb | in order for your gtk app to be rendered it should have something, import and other tools can and will capture on any display. |
| 17:09.05 | f-a | a bit of a longshot: any neverball (neverputt, rather) player here? do you know how to play custom levels? |
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| 17:09.44 | jmd | shtrb: Right. So I would still need a working display. |
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| 17:10.33 | shtrb | jmd, ssh -X works in most cases (never seen a case when it didn't ) |
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| 17:11.01 | jmd | shtrb: But it's only going to work if there is a working display. |
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| 17:12.38 | anoki | does anyone know a good site to buy bitcoins? |
| 17:12.51 | jmd | anoki: Try #bitcoin |
| 17:12.59 | tripledonkey | :) |
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| 17:13.45 | shtrb | it must be to early for me.. X forwarding uses the local (not remote) X server. you can even use x11vnc and xserver-xorg-video-dummy when there is no physical graphic card |
| 17:13.49 | shtrb | *too early |
| 17:14.14 | jmd | I know what X forwarding is. |
| 17:14.49 | jmd | xorg-video-dummy is another name for Xvfb isn't it? |
| 17:16.28 | shtrb | I think they are different (one actually have an X when the other is just a dummy server) |
| 17:17.14 | wfq | bub_ thanks. I did ./configure alone and worked |
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| 17:18.11 | tripledonkey | the dummy is just to satisfy dependencies i guess? |
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| 17:20.59 | shtrb | the dummy package actually have code that I belive will be used by the X server itself |
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| 17:21.50 | jmd | Looking at the description it is just that. A dummy. It accepts X commands and does absolutely nothing with them. |
| 17:22.00 | tripledonkey | right, cool. |
| 17:22.06 | shtrb | it is surprisingly easy to understand |
| 17:22.23 | jmd | Yep! But not terribly useful. |
| 17:23.22 | shtrb | my comment was about the the source code (readable and easy) , not about the package description |
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| 17:24.38 | shtrb | your issue was with xvfb not working , that is a different software package (don't know why you have gtk on headless server but ok ).. |
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| 17:27.19 | jmd | ok. I'll have to think of another way to solve the problem. |
| 17:27.21 | Butt3rfly | escapes to the greenhouse so that she doesn't have to listen to her youngest and his dad bitching at each other over warframe |
| 17:27.39 | Butt3rfly | blessed be the greenhouse |
| 17:27.43 | mr__tea | :) |
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| 17:35.26 | jameson | hello |
| 17:35.27 | jameson | I am back |
| 17:35.46 | jmd | jameson: So we see. |
| 17:36.25 | jameson | still stuck in grub rescue, can't insmod /boot/grub/linux.mod, already tried chrooting last night |
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| 17:45.07 | webuser5224 | Hello everyone |
| 17:46.08 | webuser5224 | Like always, I find out how everything works and then next time I'm already confused by all the different downloads on the Debian website again |
| 17:46.28 | webuser5224 | What's the best option if I don't want to download all the files via netinstallation? |
| 17:46.55 | webuser5224 | Daily builds are only netinstall, weekly builds have DVD versions, etc. |
| 17:47.00 | webuser5224 | A bit confused here, thanks :P |
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| 17:57.37 | jhutchins | webuser5224: If you're not familiar with the Debian system you should use the stable release DVD. |
| 17:58.09 | jhutchins | webuser5224: Daily builds are for testing software going into the next release. |
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| 17:59.39 | jhutchins | jameson: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 18:01.05 | jameson | tried to do something like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/142300/how-to-fix-error-unknown-filesystem-grub-rescue |
| 18:01.41 | jameson | expected to boot into the installation and install grub |
| 18:01.46 | jameson | already tried chrooting last night |
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| 18:06.43 | AquaL1te | is there a bug in openvpn? when i source /usr/share/easy-rsa/vars, it can't find the correct openssl config, while whichopensslcnf should guide it to one of the 3 in it's own directory |
| 18:06.49 | AquaL1te | debian stretch by the way |
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| 18:13.35 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 18:13.56 | jak2000 | how to know wich version of distro i am have? |
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| 18:16.48 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.40 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 18:17.40 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 18:19.55 | jak2000 | jessie 8.4 |
| 18:20.07 | jak2000 | how to get the offical repositories? |
| 18:20.13 | jak2000 | !dpkg repositories |
| 18:20.13 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:20.32 | jak2000 | !dpkg repositories jessie |
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| 18:20.48 | jak2000 | jelly thanks |
| 18:22.13 | anoki | anyone using bash on windows 10? It's getting better |
| 18:22.14 | jelly | jak2000: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
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| 18:23.29 | dtux | is deb.debian.org preferred to e.g. ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 18:26.49 | jak2000 | cant update my debian: https://pastebin.com/9phgZndr any advice why? Note before i put the 3 lines |
| 18:26.49 | fredl | hi guys, I'm trying to run tcpdump -n -i dp0s1 -v ether proto 0x8809 -w lacp.dump but this command terminates after receiving 2 packets, how can I make it continue sniffing? |
| 18:27.47 | fredl | when I don't write to a file it keeps running |
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| 18:29.10 | phinxy | If I want an easy NVIDIA propietary driver installation, should a stable relase like stretch be used instead of a daily build (buster)? |
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| 18:30.08 | fredl | BTW, the above is on Debian 8.8 |
| 18:30.49 | phinxy | How come linux-header-4.12.0-2-amd64 is available but not linux-header-4.12.0-1-amd64= |
| 18:32.03 | phinxy | ,v linux-header-4.12.0-2-amd64 |
| 18:32.04 | judd | No package named 'linux-header-4.12.0-2-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 18:32.12 | phinxy | ,v linux-header-4.12.0-2 |
| 18:32.13 | judd | No package named 'linux-header-4.12.0-2' was found in amd64. |
| 18:32.17 | phinxy | ,v linux-header-4.12.0-1 |
| 18:32.18 | judd | No package named 'linux-header-4.12.0-1' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:35.06 | dtux | jak2000: looks like you have DNS issues: Could not resolve 'deb.debian.org' |
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| 18:39.51 | jak2000 | dtux ok |
| 18:40.28 | jak2000 | empty resolv.conf |
| 18:40.32 | jak2000 | nameserver 8.8.8.8 its correct? |
| 18:40.53 | Mathisen | yep if you want google dns |
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| 18:41.28 | dtux | mine is automatically populated via DHCP |
| 18:41.37 | dtux | if you dont use that, then ya |
| 18:43.09 | jak2000 | done dtux |
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| 18:43.25 | jak2000 | other question, how to check wich is my NAmeserver server? |
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| 18:45.31 | Amun_Ra | check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:45.33 | dtux | jak2000: i'm not sure what you mean... if you set it to 8.8.8.8, then it is 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:45.38 | jak2000 | yes |
| 18:45.46 | jak2000 | but internally i have 1 i want |
| 18:46.07 | jak2000 | configure: 192.168.1.141 point to 'serverData' |
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| 18:47.56 | dtux | jak2000: does this work? host www.example.com 192.168.1.141 |
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| 18:50.14 | jak2000 | dtux wait checking |
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| 18:51.23 | jak2000 | upgrading |
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| 18:55.36 | jak2000 | dtux: ];; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 18:58.00 | dtux | jak2000: that means there is probably no dns server running on that host |
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| 18:59.15 | jak2000 | but in other machine? |
| 18:59.24 | jak2000 | how to kno in tha internal lan? |
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| 19:00.50 | Devastator | you should know your network, it is not something we can guess |
| 19:00.56 | dtux | ^ |
| 19:01.35 | Devastator | and it is far from being related to debian.. |
| 19:01.49 | jak2000 | yes.. i know but i am not administrator |
| 19:01.57 | jak2000 | is a friend, him go out urgenttly |
| 19:01.58 | Devastator | well, ask him then? |
| 19:02.00 | jak2000 | return in 6 days |
| 19:02.05 | jak2000 | ok thanks |
| 19:02.07 | Devastator | e-mail him |
| 19:02.08 | dtux | if you're not sure whether you're operating a DNS server or not, you probably aren't |
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| 19:06.22 | webuser5224 | Why do the downloads not have keys that I can add automatically via installing the 'debian-keyring' package? |
| 19:06.31 | webuser5224 | Or maybe I'm confusing something |
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| 19:11.54 | vegenaise | testing to see if hexchat works. can someone confirm theyre seeing this? |
| 19:12.06 | GNU\colossus | I can. |
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| 19:13.02 | dtux | can too. |
| 19:13.19 | jelly | vegenaise: nope, try again |
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| 19:41.34 | makeway | Hey, I'm wondering about a small issue I'm facing with my xfce build on stretch. Quite often, my pc automatically switches back to 60 hz from 144 hz even though I'm using a xorg.conf generated by my nvidia card manager. Why would this continually switch to 60 hz? |
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| 19:44.21 | elisar | hello, xed not showing hebrew letters in txt files from windows 10. any suggestions ? |
| 19:45.30 | annadane | makeway, by hz you mean your monitor? |
| 19:46.20 | jmd | I didn't know that rasterized monitors still existed. |
| 19:46.37 | makeway | annadane: Well, my monitor is running at 144 hz, but the software switches x's setting back to 60 hz and I find myself going to settings to click 144 hz several times per day |
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| 19:50.31 | NonaSuomy | any one have any exp with pppoe and systemd-networkd |
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| 19:51.05 | annadane | NonaSuomy, just ask your question |
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| 19:56.17 | jhutchins | makeway: That's a question you'll have to ask Nvidia. |
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| 19:57.27 | NonaSuomy | annadane Trying to use debian as a router, I have a bell fiber ONT that requires you to be on a specific vlan of 35 to access pppoe, so I created a vlan nic of eno1.35 that networkd-systemd sets up on boot but I don't know what to do for pppoe for networkd, I have the pppd client connecting, but was wondering if there was a way to use networkd instead of pppd oget networkd to launch pppd after it establishes the vlan nic. |
| 19:58.27 | NonaSuomy | Essentially I have it working just wanted to do it all through networkd on boot |
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| 20:02.44 | NonaSuomy | also I have an issue where the computer attached to the second nic on a switch, gets ip from dhcp from the debian box but page loads seem to be lagging |
| 20:03.11 | NonaSuomy | I read that pppoe uses mtu of 1492 and that some servers dont like that and expect 1500 |
| 20:03.20 | NonaSuomy | so you have to use clamping |
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| 20:03.47 | NonaSuomy | wonder if that will fix the delayed page loading speeds or what else I could try |
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| 20:05.38 | makeway | Is an xconfig file automatically used when it's created and put in the X11 directory? Or do I have to enable it somehow? |
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| 20:07.19 | vktec | A few times now, I've noticed that packages available in stretch and sid aren't available in buster (which I'm running). How can I install these packages? |
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| 20:09.54 | annadane | vktec, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation from sid |
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| 20:10.35 | annadane | vktec, that being said if you just wait, those packages should end up in testing if they're in sid |
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| 20:15.29 | somiaj | vktec: you should be asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. In general check the tracker and see why the package was removed from testing. Use that to decide if you think it is worth having the package (it could be broken or have some other issues), last you can install packages from sid in testing in most cases. This is in the testing FAQ |
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| 20:24.33 | jhutchins | NonaSuomy: You may want to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:25.16 | vktec | annadane, somiaj: Thanks for the info. I'll go to #debian-next |
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| 20:30.38 | NonaSuomy | so clamping fixed the speed issue |
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| 20:32.23 | jhutchins | NonaSuomy: Congratulations! Good work. (Sorry about the bad tag there...) |
| 20:32.33 | jhutchins | makeway: You may want to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:38.22 | Guest25595 | Hey guys, I wrote a book. |
| 20:38.24 | Guest25595 | I don't think this is the right place to ask this but I'll try anyways. I need to run and manage many minecraft servers on (at this time) one debian box. Please don't disregard my question, this is a real problem. Now, I won't be using a panel, and using the screen program to switch between server consoles is a bit messy as I have no way to monitor the server's uptime and I need to log in as the user |
| 20:38.30 | Guest25595 | that made the screen session. This won't work because there are other users of the system that can only have access to specific servers. Another problem with the current design of my system is that server files are thrown around a little and managing them all is a big pain. Most servers share certain world folders, and most share certain plugins which are always updating. My current solution is to have |
| 20:38.36 | Guest25595 | a start script for every server that copies the plugins it needs from a single directory that's always updated, but I still need to use screen and everything, and setting up a new server is a big PITA because I need to copy all the right stuff and make the script, start it multiple times, start it in screen as root, etc. Another problem with the current design is that since some users should only |
| 20:38.42 | Guest25595 | access a few servers, I'll need to set up a chroot jail and rbash for those users to keep them where they're allowed, which I've never done and will make this whole system even more complex. I need a new way to manage all these servers without a game panel like multicrap. I'm considering virtualizing servers but I'm not sure if this makes sense. I've also thought of running docker containers for each |
| 20:38.48 | Guest25595 | server. What are your thoughts? |
| 20:38.50 | Guest25595 | holy shit that's long sorry |
| 20:39.55 | th0r | Guest25595, take a look at ansible for managing the servers. |
| 20:40.27 | teraflops | Guest25595: you want something like ansible |
| 20:40.42 | Guest25595 | I'll research it, thanks :) |
| 20:40.53 | th0r | great minds |
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| 20:42.22 | teraflops | Guest25595: https://exchange.nagios.org/directory/Plugins/Games/check_minecraft_server/details |
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| 20:42.26 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:43.15 | Guest25595 | Thank you guys for answering, I was hoping that this problem is more of a real world problem than just a minecraft thing |
| 20:43.50 | teraflops | call it minecraft or call it apache it's the same |
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| 20:52.47 | Guest25595 | So it looks like ansible manages individual servers, and all my servers are on one machione if that makes sense |
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| 20:54.57 | Guest25595 | The inventory list has ip addresses but everything I have is on one machine. Am I reading this wrong? |
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| 20:55.17 | somiaj | on one machine? Do you mean virtual machine? docker images or just chroot? You do realize chroots are considered insecure? |
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| 20:56.57 | Guest25595 | I have all my server instances on one debian server. All the files are just on the server normally, not inside docker containers or anything. Are you talking about my idea of jailing users? That was to make sure someone could access one server but not all of them. |
| 20:57.09 | foul_owl | What happened to compiz? Do people still use it? |
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| 20:57.20 | teraflops | is this a poll? |
| 20:57.47 | foul_owl | Can it still be installed? Did the name change? |
| 20:58.05 | teraflops | ,v compiz |
| 20:58.06 | judd | Package: compiz on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1 |
| 20:58.25 | foul_owl | Ahhh I'm on jessie |
| 20:58.33 | foul_owl | I need to upgrade |
| 20:58.48 | foul_owl | Thank you! |
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| 20:59.04 | teraflops | heh you need to upgrade because compiz |
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| 20:59.32 | foul_owl | I just need to upgrade in general haha |
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| 21:01.22 | n4dir | wondering with with DE using compiz makes sense. The only which comes to my mind would be xfce4 |
| 21:01.23 | teraflops | ubuntu dropped unity, and iirc unity was the only reason for compiz being alive |
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| 21:04.03 | somiaj | compiz was really buggy and upstream died. I think someone took up mataining it again, but I don't think it made it back into debian |
| 21:04.18 | somiaj | but buggy and no upstream years ago is why debian stoped packaging it |
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| 21:09.42 | Guest25595 | So if ansible only manages separate servers do I need to virtualize a bunch of server for each minecraft instance? |
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| 21:10.38 | somiaj | Guest25595: chroots (what I think you are using for jails) can be easily broken out of if anyone gets root access. So I would use virtual servers instead (or something like docker) |
| 21:10.48 | teraflops | Guest25595: we dont know you manage all those server instances |
| 21:11.10 | teraflops | how^ |
| 21:12.39 | teraflops | Guest25595: but I think you can use roles |
| 21:13.35 | Guest25595 | Right now I have a directory for prod and dev, and in each I have a directory for every server, and inside that I have the server jars and all the configuration files. I run the jar file for the server in screen and that's how I access consoles, and when I need to do anything I need to go into every server and change it manually |
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| 21:15.05 | teraflops | you can manage it with ansible i think |
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| 21:15.24 | teraflops | something like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34901906/how-to-install-multiple-instances-of-a-service-on-a-host-with-ansible |
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| 21:17.28 | Guest25595 | Alright, so can I use ansible to help me monitor each server and get to the console (the output of junning the server jar) |
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| 21:19.55 | Guest25595 | runnng* |
| 21:20.00 | Guest25595 | running* |
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| 21:21.06 | teraflops | Guest25595: ansible is not for monitoring stuff |
| 21:21.25 | teraflops | at least is not its main purpose I think |
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| 21:23.09 | Guest25595 | What can I use to monitor and run them then? |
| 21:23.12 | teraflops | maybe people at #ansible might tell you if it suits your needs (minecraft servers) |
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| 21:23.33 | teraflops | i have no idea of the pixelated thingy tbh |
| 21:23.39 | jelly | there's more than one way to manage java services. I like java-service-wrapper |
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| 21:23.50 | jelly | ,i service-wrapper |
| 21:23.51 | judd | Package service-wrapper (java, optional) in stretch/amd64: Jar daemon wrapper. Version: 3.5.30-1; Size: 183.7k; Installed: 506k; Homepage: http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com |
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| 21:26.21 | Guest25595 | Thanks jelly |
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| 21:33.10 | enumerate | I'm trying to make my debian9 system bootable again. I can boot on a live cd, chroot and do anything to the system, but I am not sure, what the problem is. I have an encrypted volume group containing booth my root and swap. However, when I boot, grub seems to extract the initramfs and pass control to that, but then I get an "WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." and my volume group |
| 21:33.10 | enumerate | is not found. When I drop to a initramfs shell I can see that the whole /dev/mapper directory is missing. Any ideas why this is? |
| 21:34.24 | Brigo | enumerate, a missing module in the initramfs? |
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| 21:35.44 | ryouma | enumerate: the initramfs scripts are screwy for such things, is my impression. they might be trying to be so fancy for turnkey operation that they break too much. i struggled with a different issue that was similar. |
| 21:36.08 | enumerate | Brigo: sounds plausible - how can I investigate? |
| 21:36.13 | ryouma | enumerate: at one point it seemed that using /dev/disk/by-id was verboten and gave wrong error |
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| 21:37.32 | Brigo | enumerate, don't know the name of the needed module, md could be? |
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| 21:39.21 | enumerate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.08 | enumerate | I do get an error about lvmetad, when I chroot into the system and run update-initramfs |
| 21:40.43 | enumerate | That should probably be my focus. |
| 21:41.02 | jelly | enumerate, that warning is normal when lvm service processes are not running |
| 21:41.34 | jelly | now, do you also get any error, or just that warning? |
| 21:42.07 | enumerate | it repeats 3 lines, that one was the first |
| 21:42.18 | Maido-Chan | does anyone use compiz or have experience with it? I'm getting the error [compiz (core) - Error: Failed to load plugin: cpp] when i try to load it up with [compiz --replace cpp &] |
| 21:42.21 | enumerate | second is: Volume group "myvm" not found |
| 21:42.36 | enumerate | 3rd Cannot process volume group myvm |
| 21:42.48 | enumerate | then after repeating maybe 10 times |
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| 21:43.10 | enumerate | Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device |
| 21:43.12 | jelly | figure out whether the relevant LVM PV is visible in initramfs |
| 21:43.21 | enumerate | (probably refering to my encrypted swap part) |
| 21:44.15 | n4dir | Maido-Chan: i think it's a simple "compiz --replace" (but you could also use compiz-icon, or such, assuming it still exists) |
| 21:45.05 | Maido-Chan | n4dir when i don't have the cpp i loose the ability to minimize or move windows. |
| 21:46.05 | enumerate | Gave up waiting for root file system device: common problems: boot args ... missing modules. |
| 21:46.40 | enumerate | ALERT! /dev/mapper/myvg--vg-root does not exist. Dropping to shell |
| 21:47.29 | enumerate | Brigo: seems to confirm what you are suggesting. |
| 21:48.15 | n4dir | Maido-Chan: this link says it's called ccp, not cpp https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/problems-with-compiz-fusion-644636/#post3164142 |
| 21:48.17 | Brigo | enumerate, is that module in the initramfs? |
| 21:49.01 | enumerate | md is not, no. there is none names lvm either |
| 21:50.17 | enumerate | dm_mod seems to be the name of the lvm module. I'll try boot, chroot and see if I can get that one in. |
| 21:50.36 | Brigo | enumerate, check md-mod too |
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| 21:50.55 | Maido-Chan | well that could explain my issue. i'll give that a go. |
| 21:51.14 | enumerate | Brigo: will do! |
| 21:51.34 | Maido-Chan | k no error but still can't move windows about or resize them. |
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| 21:57.19 | DrWatson | Good evening |
| 21:57.34 | DrWatson | Is someone using Bumblebee & wine ? |
| 21:57.44 | annadane | !someone |
| 21:57.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:57.56 | annadane | DrWatson, ^ |
| 21:58.15 | DrWatson | i too dump :-( |
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| 21:59.14 | DrWatson | i guess it just a lib problem...bumblebee in gernal works fine. (primusrun glxgears) |
| 21:59.36 | DrWatson | opengl libs are getting detected and used and henrik@debian:~$ cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch |
| 21:59.38 | DrWatson | 0000:01:00.0 ON |
| 22:00.17 | DrWatson | shows that its working but wine doesnt seem to not detect the nvidia 1015ti |
| 22:01.23 | enumerate | md_mod is added. |
| 22:02.15 | Brigo | enumerate, you mean it was already in the initramfs? |
| 22:02.37 | enumerate | so when I run update-initramfs -uv |
| 22:02.38 | DrWatson | or the opengl libs...i tried to compile wine from source and its saying 'configure: WARNING: No OpenGL library found on this system. |
| 22:02.40 | DrWatson | OpenGL and Direct3D won't be supported.' but i installed anything ( at least i think so...) any idea ? |
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| 22:04.07 | Brigo | DrWatson, even the -dev libraries? |
| 22:04.08 | enumerate | (same as with current failing image) it states "Adding module ... md/dm-mod" and same for md/md-mod |
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| 22:04.51 | DrWatson | well....i guess i installed all possible dev libs. |
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| 22:06.04 | DrWatson | maybe wine is looking for a specific folder if there are any needed libs but i'm not a linux expert like all other here |
| 22:06.14 | DrWatson | and i dont know how to find that out |
| 22:06.23 | Brigo | enumerate, then the md-mod is loaded, can you check with lsmod? |
| 22:06.53 | Brigo | DrWatson, does the wine source has a configure script? |
| 22:07.17 | bub_ | DrSbaitso |
| 22:07.38 | DrWatson | you mean the ./configure file, or ? |
| 22:07.40 | DrWatson | yes |
| 22:08.05 | Brigo | DrWatson, check that file, where it search for them |
| 22:08.37 | DrWatson | one moment |
| 22:09.28 | enumerate | Brigo you mean in my initramfs env or in my live-cd chroot environment? |
| 22:10.23 | enumerate | when I run "vgs" in my live-ch chroot env, I actually get the same error as in the initramfs env: WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. |
| 22:10.39 | Brigo | in your initramfs, of course. In your live-cd environment should be or you can't boot. |
| 22:11.12 | Brigo | oh, then you can't boot the system from the live-cd, ok, i see. |
| 22:13.47 | enumerate | I cannot boot the system from disk. I can boot the live-cd, decrypt and chroot |
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| 22:15.11 | DrWatson | https://paste.gnome.org/pojqxjfq0 |
| 22:15.27 | DrWatson | thats the only useful line i can find but i dont have that folder or file |
| 22:16.30 | Brigo | DrWatson, i guess that's good. |
| 22:17.19 | Brigo | enumerate, chroot into the initramfs, and check for the md-mod |
| 22:18.42 | DrWatson | i googled one million websites this week which are bumblebee and wine opengl related. i couldnt find any answer where the problem could be |
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| 22:20.04 | Brigo | DrWatson, look about debian and wine compilation (libraries you should install, etc) |
| 22:20.21 | Brigo | why are you compiling wine, if i can ask? |
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| 22:23.39 | OS-32365 | I need help with getting Ncat to respond to my windows machine. |
| 22:23.49 | enumerate | Brigo: I will do that in a minute. Currently in the initramfs shell, and found the module in /kernel/drivers/md/md-mod.ko |
| 22:24.25 | DrWatson | i just wanted to figure out if i the system is detecting all libs |
| 22:24.33 | Brigo | enumerate, so you found md-mod into the initramfs? |
| 22:25.24 | DrWatson | so the compile script for example is saying 'checking for -lOSMesa... not found' but its installed |
| 22:25.29 | DrWatson | even the dev packages |
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| 22:27.22 | enumerate | Brigo: indeed, but it was not loaded |
| 22:28.16 | enumerate | now I have insmodded both md-mod and dm_mod and I can see /dev/mapper |
| 22:29.21 | Brigo | enumerate, then, for some reason they are no loaded at boot time. You can force it. |
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| 22:30.02 | enumerate | yes, but now I have to figure all the boot steps out, so I can recreate them manually |
| 22:30.26 | Brigo | i think you just need added it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file |
| 22:30.41 | Brigo | and rebuild the initramfs. |
| 22:31.16 | enumerate | oh, I follow |
| 22:31.29 | enumerate | in that way the boot process might not get halted |
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| 22:43.53 | Thevenot | toc, toc |
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| 22:45.54 | Brigo | enumerate, hi again, have it worked? |
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| 22:49.48 | enumerate | just rebooting |
| 22:50.09 | enumerate | nope |
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| 22:52.21 | enumerate | the modules are loaded though |
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| 22:55.52 | Brigo | enumerate, same errors? |
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| 22:57.03 | enumerate | yes |
| 22:57.55 | Brigo | maybe something about disk drives or crypt? i keep thinking a missed modue is the problem. |
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| 23:00.01 | Brigo | enumerate, can you see the volumes? |
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| 23:02.47 | enumerate | so when dm_mod is loaded I can see /dev/mapper/control |
| 23:03.00 | enumerate | but that is the only file in that directory |
| 23:03.40 | Brigo | then is not enought. It's a pitty there is nobody here who knows what modules you need :-( |
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| 23:04.45 | enumerate | then if I do "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb3 /mnt/oldroot" then I can see my group elements in /dev/mapper/ |
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| 23:05.27 | enumerate | I keep thinking that it needs to ask me for password before it even tries to look for those groups |
| 23:06.04 | Brigo | enumerate, at some point, yes |
| 23:06.12 | Brigo | do you have plymouth installed? |
| 23:08.27 | nomic | siz. |
| 23:09.01 | enumerate | no. Will it help me? |
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| 23:11.46 | Brigo | enumerate, i don't really think so, buy maybe. There was a bug about debian not asking for the pasword in Jessie without Plymouth installed. |
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| 23:16.15 | pierre365 | hi! on my debian laptop I have an issue connection an external HDMI monitor (HDMI-to-DVI-d converter to use the DVI port on monitor and the only HDMI port on laptop). Usually when I use xrandr it works fine, but here I have "HDMI-1 disconnected" with xrandr.. anyone is aware of special step to do? I'm using nouveau drivers for the nvidia in the laptop |
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| 23:19.33 | Brigo | pierre365, when you say here you mean i that laptop? |
| 23:20.34 | nomic | z. |
| 23:22.18 | pierre365 | Brigo: yes, in the case of that laptop i meant, sorry |
| 23:23.18 | Brigo | pierre365, maybe the nouveau driver is the problem? |
| 23:24.33 | pierre365 | Brigo: well i tried with nvidia drivers and X didn't even started so I guess nouveau is better for my graphic card. But even if it was a nouveau problem in dmesg but I can't see anything |
| 23:25.23 | pierre365 | if it was a nouveau problem, it would be in dmesg* |
| 23:25.32 | Brigo | i think you haven't to see any error message, maybe nouveau just don't support the card fully. |
| 23:26.59 | Brigo | pierre365, or maybe you can connect the HDMI in the laptop BIOS ... |
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| 23:27.38 | pierre365 | Brigo: oww yeah i m going to try that thanks! |
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| 23:55.22 | kris_ | hey there |
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