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| 00:02.34 | enumerate | Brigo: I found a way to force it to put cryptsetup in the initramfs |
| 00:02.42 | enumerate | and I have unlocked it |
| 00:02.56 | enumerate | now I just need a way to boot it from the prompt. |
| 00:03.30 | Brigo | enumerate, can't you just reboot? |
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| 00:04.59 | enumerate | omg it's back! |
| 00:05.12 | enumerate | as long as I don't reboot :P |
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| 00:06.08 | enumerate | so the only thing that's missing is making the cryptsetup/askpass run automatically |
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| 00:06.58 | Brigo | enumerate, what about plymouth? |
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| 00:21.35 | enumerate | I didn't install it. |
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| 00:23.31 | Brigo | enumerate, i worth a shot. |
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| 00:43.46 | ambient_ | I have a Fractal R5 desktop case. There is a front panel that opens up with a screen and a cooling fan. At the back there is also a cooling fan. Should I open the front panel so that air can flow through the case? |
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| 00:50.42 | enumerate | yes, got it now. |
| 00:50.59 | Epakai | ambient_: you're in the wrong place, but the case is designed to pull air from vents on the side of/below the front panel. you can keep the door closed normally |
| 00:51.45 | ambient_ | Epakai, I went to 'hardware' but got 'cannot send to channel'. I use Debian so I figure it was the next closest thing and someone might know...like you! Thanks! |
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| 02:34.11 | Guest25595 | Getting an error from gpg: no keyserver available |
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| 02:39.34 | annadane | Guest25595, it helps if you post your entire output. that's quite vague |
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| 02:51.16 | Guest25595 | add-apt-repository -y ppa:ondrej/php |
| 02:51.16 | Guest25595 | gpg: keybox '/tmp/tmph52zqpu9/pubring.gpg' created |
| 02:51.17 | Guest25595 | gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available |
| 02:51.21 | Guest25595 | Oops sorry |
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| 03:02.34 | JLprim | evening all |
| 03:03.57 | JLprim | any one here ever get rid of NEMO and get navigator working for filemanagment instead? |
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| 03:08.55 | JLprim | know how to replace nemo with navigator correctly? |
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| 03:16.14 | Guest25595 | And about my issue ^ |
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| 03:16.40 | themill | Guest25595: don't use PPAs with Debian |
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| 03:25.38 | mrm | What ever happened to the whole 'debian ppa' thing? |
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| 04:10.42 | Guest25595 | How would I get php then themill? And why not? |
| 04:11.04 | nkuttler | Guest25595: apt-get install php |
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| 04:11.28 | themill | PHP is already in Debian. Packges in PPAs are not designed for use with Debian any more than RedHat is designed for use with Debian |
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| 04:27.27 | kisuke | anyone had to wrestle with a macmini 4,1 recently? |
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| 04:49.25 | nkuttler | kisuke: is this a poll? |
| 04:50.06 | kisuke | nkuttler, nope. blasted thing would just drop to grub shell. regardless o conf or distro. |
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| 05:03.06 | kisuke | I Think I've got it tho. |
| 05:10.35 | m4dh4tt4 | ideas on disabling hdd led in laptop? ive got some stuff in /sys/class/leds/phy0-led |
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| 05:12.04 | m4dh4tt4 | they all seem to be txt files, no clue what im doing, cant edit them from "on" to "off" or enabled to disabled, couldnt find a binary, nothing i tried on forums worked, its either real simple or a pita |
| 05:12.06 | m4dh4tt4 | ideas? |
| 05:12.27 | m4dh4tt4 | woops already said ideas lmfao, my bad, low on sleep :S |
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| 05:20.28 | zkr | hi |
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| 05:20.42 | zkr | i need drugs |
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| 05:37.56 | grew | does anyone know if there is something in vmware fusion that would make it impossible to not mount my root filesystem read-only? literally no matter what is in grub, what i pass to mount, anything it either throws a "busy" error or just silently does nothing |
| 05:40.22 | grew | and its not an initrd either |
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| 05:40.34 | grew | unless i have a 46G initrd :) |
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| 05:51.26 | grew | wow, only init=/bin/sh would do it |
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| 06:01.14 | somiaj | grew: note that /bin/sh points to dash, you may find want to use bash instead |
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| 06:28.18 | gunix | is luks encryption on a striped lv a bad ideea? |
| 06:29.06 | gunix | i mean, when using striping and encryption together is the overhead so big that you should rather use linear, or is striping still worth it? |
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| 07:39.52 | Emil | Hi |
| 07:41.04 | Emil | Does anyone have experience with using IBM ServeRAID 8k with Debian? I attempted installation but the drives are not detected |
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| 08:06.28 | DK2 | is there a difference in ssh-rsa and ----BEGIn PUBLIC KEY--- format? |
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| 08:10.19 | dutchfish | DK2, http://blog.oddbit.com/2011/05/08/converting-openssh-public-keys/ |
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| 09:22.01 | OS-33172 | k |
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| 09:23.34 | AquaL1te | guys, easy-rsa scripts are broken in combo with openvpn? /usr/share/easy-rsa/whichopensslcnf doesn't match the openssl version, it has 1.1 and the regex doesn't look for anything highter than 1.0, so no valid openssl.cnf is selected |
| 09:23.48 | AquaL1te | talking about debian stretch, the latest 'stable' |
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| 09:26.47 | AquaL1te | openssl version | grep -E "1\.0\.[[:digit:]][[:alnum:]]?" doesn't return anything, only openssl version | grep -E "1\.1\.[[:digit:]][[:alnum:]]?" |
| 09:26.55 | AquaL1te | i guess i'll submit a bugreport |
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| 09:44.10 | AquaL1te | sourcing vars (edited with own values) doesn't work either, anyone else noticed this as well? or am i missing something. these things normally work fine (at least on debian 8 and on red hat systems) |
| 09:45.39 | AquaL1te | wait, this one was my bad, $PATH problem ;) but the whichopenssl seems broken :( |
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| 10:53.41 | la-o-wai | hello? |
| 10:54.10 | la-o-wai | can anyone see me |
| 10:54.19 | dudz | hi |
| 10:54.36 | C0BA | 0.0 |
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| 10:55.57 | la-o-wai | help? |
| 10:56.36 | aedinius | help with? |
| 10:56.57 | la-o-wai | i am logged into a command line, how can i get one file from there to my local computer? |
| 10:57.10 | aedinius | How are you logged in? ssh? |
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| 10:58.01 | jair | la-o-wai: your PC ? Linux? the remote PC ? Linux? |
| 10:58.18 | rotaticus | and you got a) a usb stick b) a lan connection c) a wlan connection d) its a remote host in the internet |
| 10:58.51 | Maido-Chan | hrm... i cloned openriichi and compiled it gave it a test run and all is good but then i made a desktop entry to it and that crashes on run even though i can still open the program from terminal. >.< |
| 10:59.11 | rotaticus | la-o-wai: more details please |
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| 11:01.37 | Maido-Chan | derp. it needs to be run from the folder. can desktop entries be given a 'working directory' to execute from? |
| 11:01.40 | Darkr0s3 | hello |
| 11:02.30 | Darkr0s3 | can i know how to exploit windows 10? |
| 11:02.38 | Darkr0s3 | can someone help me? |
| 11:02.58 | crash_ | wrong channel.. |
| 11:03.21 | Darkr0s3 | which channel should i join? |
| 11:03.30 | Darkr0s3 | i'm quite new to irc |
| 11:03.40 | Darkr0s3 | can lend me a help? |
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| 11:04.27 | Mathisen | Darkr0s3, start with ##security |
| 11:04.28 | rotaticus | Maido-Chan: i tend to call a script from .desktop files |
| 11:05.19 | Maido-Chan | so i make a script that cds to the right folder than runs the program and then have the desktop load that instead of loading the program directly? |
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| 11:05.35 | rotaticus | Darkr0s3: metasploit <- google that for starters |
| 11:06.11 | rotaticus | Maido-Chan: thats how i do it ... i didnt say it was beautyful |
| 11:06.55 | rotaticus | but i dislike mousepushing ... so having ~/bin/whatever is good for me |
| 11:07.08 | Maido-Chan | hey if it works it works. just wanted to be sure i understood right. |
| 11:07.18 | Maido-Chan | i need a special line at the top of the script for it to run right? |
| 11:07.36 | la-o-wai | i am logged into a command line, how can i get one file from there to my local computer? |
| 11:07.38 | rotaticus | Maido-Chan: the shebang #!/bin/sh |
| 11:07.59 | rotaticus | or bash if you prefer that |
| 11:08.07 | Darkr0s3 | ok guys |
| 11:08.12 | Darkr0s3 | thanks fr ya help |
| 11:08.15 | Maido-Chan | is there a difference between the two for this purpose? |
| 11:08.16 | Darkr0s3 | nice to meet u |
| 11:09.09 | petn-randall | Maido-Chan: /bin/sh is usually a symlink to whatever shell the admin configured. By default it points to /bin/dash, a different shell than bash. |
| 11:09.59 | Maido-Chan | more accurate version of my question: will any difference between the two affect this task. |
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| 11:10.58 | Maido-Chan | oo yay the start menu option loads up openriichi now. but for some reason the launcher icon on my top panel doesn't... odd |
| 11:11.36 | Maido-Chan | k just deleted it and remade it and it works. thanx much for the help guys. |
| 11:11.45 | rotaticus | Maido-Chan: whatever you define in the shebang is the interpreter for your script ... if you use dash methods, your fine with sh ... if you use bash stuff, it's sure better to call bash |
| 11:12.46 | la-o-wai | help |
| 11:12.51 | la-o-wai | can you see me |
| 11:12.57 | rotaticus | la-o-wai: yes |
| 11:13.00 | Maido-Chan | k if i understand right a cd and run will work adequately in both. unless you are saying the program i then run can have an influence on the decision. |
| 11:13.07 | rotaticus | la-o-wai: more details please |
| 11:13.47 | la-o-wai | i logged into the remote shell |
| 11:14.02 | la-o-wai | i want to download one file from there |
| 11:14.13 | rotaticus | Maido-Chan: both will work fine as long as it is the simple task of cd somewere and call it from there |
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| 11:14.50 | rotaticus | la-o-wai: man scp |
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| 11:29.53 | rotaticus | have i been too rude again? was not my intention, sorry if so ... |
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| 11:31.00 | la-o-wai | rotaticus: basically i cant get it through, can you tell me what i need to type to down it from the shell line to my local |
| 11:32.00 | Darkr0s3 | where to get a list of chat rooms? |
| 11:32.10 | Darkr0s3 | using irc? |
| 11:32.44 | rotaticus | la-o-wai: vi scp://username@host//path/to/somefile note the double / |
| 11:33.24 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai you logged into the remote machine using ssh? |
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| 11:34.52 | max__ | Prozess kann nicht gestartet werden: Keine Verbindung zu klauncher: Not connected to D-Bus server |
| 11:35.08 | max__ | i want to use krusader in plasma |
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| 11:35.37 | Max_-max | in Jessie it did work |
| 11:35.43 | la-o-wai | mgdelacroix: yes |
| 11:35.51 | Max_-max | so now in stretch was about this issue? |
| 11:36.20 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: you can use `scp` to copy from that remote machine to your local |
| 11:36.27 | Max_-max | Cannot start process : Not connected to D-Bus server |
| 11:36.29 | Max_-max | in english |
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| 11:36.59 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: if you logged in like `ssh myremoteuser@myremotemachine`, you can copy from your machine with something like `scp myremoteuser@myremotemachine:/remote/file/path /local/pach` |
| 11:37.44 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: the command will ask for your credentials (exactly the same as with `ssh`, as is using `ssh` underneath) and that's that. You can find more info with `man scp` |
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| 11:38.00 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: but modifying my example should suffice |
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| 11:49.15 | la-o-wai | mgdelacroix: its asking for password |
| 11:49.48 | la-o-wai | but when i type i cant see anything in the line, then enter it says invalid |
| 11:50.58 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: that is normal. If you were able to login through ssh, you have to reuse the same credentials (username/password) |
| 11:51.25 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: neither ssh nor scp shows the password in the command line when you type so noone can see even the number of chars your password has |
| 11:51.36 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: so when it asks, just type it and hit enter |
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| 11:54.38 | la-o-wai | is this grammar wrong, scp user@ip:/home/name/file1 E:\ |
| 11:59.53 | gpunk | yes the e:\ ... |
| 11:59.58 | gpunk | is wrong |
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| 12:01.55 | phogg | la-o-wai: if you're on a Windows client you can just say / as the second arg, the current drive letter is assumed and it will work. This means you must first make E: the current drive. |
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| 12:03.47 | phogg | la-o-wai: but if you're on a Windows client I also recommend #windows for help since it's nothing to do with Debian. |
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| 12:16.07 | la-o-wai | hello |
| 12:16.22 | la-o-wai | the scp is too hard for me |
| 12:16.36 | la-o-wai | so i get a sftp client |
| 12:16.57 | la-o-wai | i think its the something private key i have missed |
| 12:17.07 | la-o-wai | where is it? what's the name |
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| 12:19.21 | la-o-wai | hello where can you find ssh user key |
| 12:19.41 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: you have two ways of authenticating against a remote system, either you use a username with a password or you use a username with a ssh key |
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| 12:20.11 | la-o-wai | it says authenticate failed |
| 12:20.15 | mgdelacroix | la-o-wai: if you used a password to login before, just use it again with the sftp client, you don't need the key |
| 12:21.28 | la-o-wai | it says authenticate failed |
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| 12:25.50 | gpunk | does your password work with a the shell ? |
| 12:26.13 | la-o-wai | yes |
| 12:26.40 | la-o-wai | the client says invalid credentials after i input pass |
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| 12:27.47 | gpunk | add -v to ssh , and show us the log please |
| 12:27.56 | la-o-wai | how |
| 12:28.02 | gpunk | or scp , i ment |
| 12:28.08 | gpunk | scp -v ... |
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| 12:29.15 | la-o-wai | usage: scp [-12346BCpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] |
| 12:29.16 | la-o-wai | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.16 | la-o-wai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.36 | la-o-wai | should i ask the operator to tell my password is wrong |
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| 12:32.09 | gpunk | just add -v to your scp line |
| 12:32.28 | gpunk | yes double check your password with the operator if possible |
| 12:32.50 | la-o-wai | Permission denied (publickey,password |
| 12:32.56 | one2many | Do Intel wifi adapters work better than Broadcom adapters? |
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| 12:33.53 | gpunk | la-o-wai, must be a limitation server side, do you have any control over it ? |
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| 12:34.44 | gpunk | with the -v , we can see the log, so we can help you |
| 12:34.57 | gpunk | otherwise ... we are blind ... |
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| 12:36.06 | la-o-wai | do you mean i scp again with -v on |
| 12:36.13 | gpunk | yes |
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| 12:40.17 | gpunk | also if your .bashrc on server echos something, your scp session will not work |
| 12:44.50 | petn-randall | Hi, when I reboot a stretch machine via SSH, the SSH connection times out instead of being cleanly terminated. I found a stackexchange question that mentions that libpam-systemd and dbus need to be installed for it to work [0]. However, the problem still persists. Any idea how to fix this? [0] https://serverfault.com/questions/706475/ssh-sessions-hang-on-shutdown-reboot |
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| 12:46.35 | petn-randall | And according to #751636 this has been fixed in stretch. |
| 12:46.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751636 in openssh-server (closed): «ssh sessions are not cleanly terminated on shutdown/restart with systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-14; last modified: 2017-03-06. |
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| 12:53.00 | la-o-wai | gpunk: can operator see my password |
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| 12:53.50 | la-o-wai | i only saved it in the computer, but when i try to use it again, it failed... |
| 12:55.00 | petn-randall | After some research I found out that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config "UsePAM yes" must be set. :) |
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| 12:56.34 | gpunk | la-o-wai, no |
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| 12:59.52 | la-o-wai | gpunk: will passwd let me proceed to get new pass if type the old passwd wrong |
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| 13:00.37 | gpunk | you are connected by ssh ? |
| 13:00.42 | AquaL1te | i give up on debian... do you even test your software? opendkim unit-file has to be edited to get it working (/etc/default/ is also a stupid idea to configure stuff), easy-rsa doesn't work, must edit the scripts to get it working... i give up before i setup more stuff that's broken in 'stable'. no bugzilla or alike to report bugs, all has to be done in formatless emails or install a debian package (not |
| 13:00.42 | la-o-wai | yes |
| 13:00.47 | AquaL1te | handy)... back to rhel.. |
| 13:01.19 | gpunk | does someting prints out when you login ? |
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| 13:01.57 | la-o-wai | gpunk: nothing its a saved login |
| 13:02.21 | gpunk | saved? |
| 13:02.54 | la-o-wai | gpunk: will it let me do new password if typed the old one wrong |
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| 13:03.27 | gpunk | yes go ahead but that is not your problem, since you are able to login with it |
| 13:04.10 | la-o-wai | the old login is saved, i just one click it will login |
| 13:04.17 | gpunk | is you client (scp) on a debian ? or windows |
| 13:04.31 | la-o-wai | what client |
| 13:04.38 | gpunk | where you run scp |
| 13:04.44 | gpunk | from where ? |
| 13:05.08 | la-o-wai | from the linux shell i run |
| 13:05.16 | gpunk | ok |
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| 13:05.39 | la-o-wai | should i ask operator to reset my password |
| 13:06.03 | gpunk | I thaught you wanted to do it with the command "passwd" ?! |
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| 13:06.46 | la-o-wai | yes |
| 13:06.57 | la-o-wai | it asks old password |
| 13:07.03 | la-o-wai | then i type |
| 13:07.17 | la-o-wai | then new password twice |
| 13:07.27 | la-o-wai | then failed |
| 13:07.39 | gpunk | what failed? |
| 13:08.56 | la-o-wai | ah |
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| 13:09.01 | la-o-wai | i see |
| 13:09.17 | la-o-wai | i just typed old password again with new password |
| 13:09.26 | la-o-wai | it says unchanged |
| 13:09.41 | la-o-wai | does that mean my old password is right |
| 13:09.47 | gpunk | yes |
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| 13:09.57 | la-o-wai | old one right? |
| 13:10.02 | gpunk | yes |
| 13:10.14 | la-o-wai | o_O |
| 13:10.25 | la-o-wai | still cant login with sftp |
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| 13:11.08 | gpunk | I asked you a zillion times: add -v to your scp line, then show us the log |
| 13:11.21 | gpunk | otherwise we cant see what is wrong |
| 13:12.22 | la-o-wai | can i paste it in your pm |
| 13:12.28 | la-o-wai | dont want people see |
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| 13:13.22 | la-o-wai | but its too long |
| 13:13.25 | la-o-wai | :o |
| 13:13.43 | gpunk | you can use https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 13:14.01 | la-o-wai | but people will see? |
| 13:14.21 | la-o-wai | how long will it keep there |
| 13:14.29 | gpunk | there is nothing personal , no worries |
| 13:14.34 | gpunk | in this log |
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| 13:24.21 | la-o-wai | https://paste.debian.net/987531/ |
| 13:25.35 | themill | searches for the relevance to #debian |
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| 13:28.29 | gpunk | the problem is on the server, can you see your issue with the operator you talked about ? |
| 13:29.46 | la-o-wai | i cant see issues |
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| 13:30.02 | la-o-wai | he just told me to use sftp |
| 13:30.22 | gpunk | and what happend with sftp ? |
| 13:30.40 | la-o-wai | authenticate failed |
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| 13:30.48 | gpunk | did you tell him that ? |
| 13:30.52 | la-o-wai | yes |
| 13:30.58 | gpunk | what did he say? |
| 13:31.05 | la-o-wai | he told me i am stupid |
| 13:31.16 | gpunk | ... he is stupid |
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| 13:31.41 | gpunk | log in on the server by ssh |
| 13:31.46 | gpunk | change the password |
| 13:31.48 | gpunk | try again |
| 13:31.57 | gpunk | with the new password ... |
| 13:32.45 | la-o-wai | ok if i change the password will the background apps be killed |
| 13:33.03 | gpunk | no |
| 13:33.07 | la-o-wai | k |
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| 13:49.02 | armin | hi. the "sync" command is running on my system for quite a long time right now (i dd'ed a .iso file to a usb stick but still it's confusing that sync doesn't return for such a long time). can i anyhow check what's going on or if i should wait for longer? |
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| 13:53.58 | gpunk | do a dmesg firstly , to see if something went wrong |
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| 14:15.52 | mcnesium | i have apt-transport-https installed and `deb https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib` in my sources.list - apt update still returns SSL: certificate subject name (debian.inf.tu-dresden.de) does not match target host name 'ftp.de.debian.org' â why is this bork? |
| 14:17.36 | mcnesium | also, The repository 'https://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file |
| 14:18.52 | themill | security.d.o does not offer https |
| 14:19.03 | dvs | O_O |
| 14:19.07 | dvs | that's ironic |
| 14:19.15 | themill | there's no point |
| 14:19.27 | mcnesium | refering to this discussion https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90227 it actually is reasonable to want to use https |
| 14:20.17 | mcnesium | though some say it was not. i dont get the point why to not use https at all |
| 14:20.37 | themill | It offers no protection, it costs serious money, it is incompatible with distributed mirrors |
| 14:21.55 | mcnesium | there are letsencrypt certificates set up, so no money. or are you talking about performance? https://istlsfastyet.com |
| 14:22.33 | themill | the mirror operators would wear serious costs of doing SSL |
| 14:22.38 | themill | hardware costs |
| 14:23.02 | themill | as it is, security.d.o can't keep up with a kernel update |
| 14:24.07 | themill | and still, it offers zero benefits |
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| 14:27.02 | mcnesium | this paper disagrees https://isis.poly.edu/~jcappos/papers/cappos_mirror_ccs_08.pdf |
| 14:27.07 | koollman | themill: well, it would hide what packages you're installing |
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| 14:27.14 | themill | koollman: that's trivial to work out anyway |
| 14:27.28 | themill | particularly for security.d.o |
| 14:27.48 | koollman | themill: not as trivial than 'read the GET request' :) |
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| 14:28.07 | themill | not much harder |
| 14:28.08 | mcnesium | and i personally disagree with the "hardware to do tls is expensive" |
| 14:28.46 | themill | You're claiming that someone who can break gpg can't MITM your https or trivially work out it was linux-image_foo.deb that you downloaded. |
| 14:28.49 | mcnesium | still I understand it is pointless to argue about this here and now :) |
| 14:29.02 | themill | Or just look at the mirror logs. |
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| 14:29.45 | koollman | mcnesium: well, you can pay the hardware. Then we can all agree it's not expensive :) |
| 14:30.12 | koollman | themill: I'm not claiming someone can break gpg |
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| 14:31.22 | koollman | themill: I mean, assuming what you want to protect against is not mitm (since that's covered by gpg anyway) but content analysis, like package selection or other statistics, https offers security that http does not |
| 14:31.33 | mcnesium | koollman: what hardware is security.d.o running on that can do the load of every debian system on the globe but can NOT do tls? |
| 14:31.56 | themill | mcnesium: it actually can't manage debian users as it is |
| 14:32.02 | themill | koollman: except it doesn't |
| 14:32.18 | koollman | themill: how so ? |
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| 14:32.43 | themill | You just look at the size of the downloads; the studies have been published |
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| 14:34.21 | sypher | What risk are you trying to mitigate via the use of TLS? |
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| 14:35.02 | mcnesium | imho there shouldnt be the question at all whether to use tls or not after snowden |
| 14:35.11 | koollman | themill: hm, I remember reading some, but not how effective it was. (I know it can work, but it probably isn't as easy as just http). Still, I mostly agree |
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| 14:35.23 | sypher | That's not an answer. |
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| 14:35.41 | koollman | mcnesium: only if it makes sense, really |
| 14:35.58 | themill | mcnesium: you need to reinvent how certificates are handled, change how the entire mirror network is operated and donate quite a bit of hardware, then. |
| 14:35.58 | koollman | and of course, the right protocol to download packages is rsync, not http :) |
| 14:36.05 | sypher | In fact, I believe it's begging the question. |
| 14:36.15 | sypher | "Turn on all the security ever because it's there" isn't a rational mindset. |
| 14:36.25 | sypher | What risk are you trying to mitigate via the use of TLS? |
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| 14:37.10 | sypher | Packages are already signed, so there's an integrity and authenticity mechanism in place. The contents of packages aren't secret, so there's no confidentality requirement. What is TLS going to do that needs to be done that the existing mechanisms aren't doing? |
| 14:37.57 | themill | sypher: there is a legitimate privacy argument that you might not want someone to know you have downloaded a certain package. |
| 14:38.24 | themill | The fact that you left your traces in the logs on a remote mirror makes https the wrong way of achieving that goal. |
| 14:38.34 | sypher | howtocookbabies.deb? |
| 14:38.47 | geejay1 | what is the irc channel for kde5 may i ask |
| 14:39.05 | sypher | themill: Agreed on both points. |
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| 14:39.27 | themill | geejay1: you probably mean Plasma 5 and #kde exists. |
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| 14:39.57 | geejay1 | so use kde u mean? |
| 14:40.00 | themill | (you'll just get a lecture from them about how kde5 doesn't exist) |
| 14:41.49 | koollman | so, the right question might be 'how do you download a package anonymously?', or 'how to avoid providing data about your package usage?' |
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| 14:42.03 | koollman | I'm guessing download over tor, or maintaining a local mirror, would work |
| 14:42.17 | koollman | hide your traffic, or get all packages :) |
| 14:42.27 | sypher | I somehow suspect the former might be a bit easier. :P |
| 14:42.28 | themill | pretty much |
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| 14:42.49 | koollman | sypher: mirrors aren't that big, hdd have grown :) |
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| 14:43.00 | sypher | I have no idea how large Deb mirrors are these days. |
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| 14:43.07 | koollman | ok maybe you'll leak the architecture you use if you filter it a bit |
| 14:43.44 | dvs | 90GB |
| 14:43.56 | themill | https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 14:44.18 | sypher | 2.5TB for everything. |
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| 14:45.22 | themill | plus about 6GB per day |
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| 14:47.31 | themill | hmm that's quite an old figure. it will be much more than that |
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| 16:11.21 | Maguirre | hey guys |
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| 16:12.12 | Maguirre | if anyone is online: debian jessie (8) - recently got an error message when apt-get upgrade or apt-get install: E: The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 16:12.17 | Maguirre | any idea how to fix it ? |
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| 16:15.40 | th0r | Maguirre, substitute duckduckgo for google....https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+value+%27stable%27+is+invalid+for+APT%3A%3ADefault-Release+as+such+a+release+is+not+available+in+the+sources&ia=qa |
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| 16:24.14 | somiaj | Maguirre: please share your sources.list, but debian stable is now stretch and not jessie (so for debian repos use code names like stretch or jessie, not links like stable, oldstable) |
| 16:24.23 | somiaj | Maguirre: for third party repos, you'll have to see what they provide |
| 16:24.36 | Maguirre | somiaj |
| 16:24.37 | Maguirre | deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 16:24.38 | Maguirre | deb-src ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 16:24.38 | Maguirre | deb http://software.virtualmin.com/vm/6/gpl/apt virtualmin-jessie main |
| 16:24.38 | Maguirre | deb http://software.virtualmin.com/vm/6/gpl/apt virtualmin-universal main |
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| 16:24.44 | Maguirre | oops |
| 16:24.47 | Maguirre | lol.. pastebin |
| 16:24.49 | Maguirre | excuse me |
| 16:24.53 | Maguirre | wong window |
| 16:25.25 | somiaj | yea, change your apt prefrences to call the default-realse jessie. Though are you mixing releases, you usually don't need to set this setting |
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| 16:31.04 | __[0_0]__ | there a decent way to use the installer to generate a preseed recipe for partitioning? |
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| 16:34.35 | Guest58143 | has someone else problems connecting to https://ftp.debian.org/ ? |
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| 16:36.06 | teraflops | Guest58143: certificate is b0rked |
| 16:36.07 | pfred1 | Guest58143 are you sure that is a real site? |
| 16:37.25 | pfred1 | this works http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 16:38.10 | teraflops | pfred1: same site but not using certificate |
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| 16:38.20 | Guest58143 | pfred1: yes. but not over https ... |
| 16:38.39 | pfred1 | you worried about someone stealing your open source? |
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| 16:39.10 | Guest58143 | no, but the certificate was working a few days ago. |
| 16:39.28 | pfred1 | blame russian hackers |
| 16:39.29 | teraflops | Guest58143: who are you connecting? |
| 16:39.50 | teraflops | pfred1: do you have something useful to say? |
| 16:39.55 | Guest58143 | i wanted to know if it's a problem with my system or if the certificate on the server is broken |
| 16:40.05 | pfred1 | teraflops define useful |
| 16:40.53 | teraflops | Guest58143: again this is the 3rd time I say you the bloody cert seems to be broken here too |
| 16:40.56 | Guest58143 | teraflops: i was trying to apt update |
| 16:41.33 | Guest58143 | teraflops: thanks you |
| 16:41.43 | Guest58143 | *thank you |
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| 16:42.39 | teraflops | pfred1: the opposite of what you have said |
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| 16:43.18 | pfred1 | teraflops your comment does not strike me as either satisfactory or particularly useful |
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| 16:43.27 | teraflops | ignores pfred1 |
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| 16:45.26 | Maguirre | back |
| 16:45.30 | Maguirre | sorry for the earlier paste |
| 16:45.41 | Maguirre | I solved the error with the apt related issue |
| 16:45.59 | NonaSuomy | gj |
| 16:46.10 | Maguirre | changed from *stable* in *oldstable*, since stretch (9) is the latest |
| 16:46.11 | Maguirre | :) |
| 16:46.22 | Maguirre | in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 16:46.46 | Maguirre | thats why I love debian... you learn by mistake :) |
| 16:47.37 | Maguirre | I'm waiting for stretch to have all the packages up to date and to upgrade |
| 16:48.05 | AndreasLutro | it's generally a better idea to lock to release names like "jessie", then you don't have to change anything when a new release is out |
| 16:48.27 | Maguirre | thats a good idea too |
| 16:48.36 | Maguirre | will do it |
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| 16:50.38 | __[0_0]__ | anyone play with preseed? |
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| 16:52.51 | annadane | to be clear, your actual question was "there a decent way to use the installer to generate a preseed recipe for partitioning?" |
| 16:52.58 | annadane | helps if you're more specific |
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| 16:55.18 | __[0_0]__ | https://pastebin.com/sdkX1Na4 |
| 16:55.20 | __[0_0]__ | https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/debian-installer.git/tree/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt#n111 |
| 16:55.59 | __[0_0]__ | trying to apply this recipe through preseed, not what I want, but looking for something to work. I was wondering if you could partition the system using the installer and use debconf-get-selections --install to generate the recipe |
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| 16:56.26 | __[0_0]__ | installer tells me "No root partition" when applying the example |
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| 16:57.44 | __[0_0]__ | annadane: let me know if thats enough info :p |
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| 16:58.10 | annadane | sure, that's enough info |
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| 16:59.20 | mnuhmnuh | Maguirre: i was going to tell you /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "stretch"; # or something; but you dipasseared. :-| |
| 16:59.46 | Maguirre | mnuhmnuh, 10x, but I am using jessie |
| 16:59.51 | Maguirre | so I changed to jessie |
| 16:59.55 | Maguirre | now it works |
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| 17:00.02 | mnuhmnuh | bravo. |
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| 17:00.07 | Maguirre | =) |
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| 17:02.31 | Maguirre | mnuhmnuh, what do you think of running an eggdrop on debian jessie, as stablty? |
| 17:02.35 | Maguirre | *stability |
| 17:03.19 | LtL | Maguirre: extremely stable |
| 17:03.28 | Maguirre | as expected :) |
| 17:03.37 | mnuhmnuh | ask oftc. |
| 17:05.23 | mnuhmnuh | s/oftc/freenode/ # oops. |
| 17:07.30 | teclo- | yeah Debian GNU/Linux is great for running eggdrops |
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| 17:08.39 | piklu | Can I use ZFS on a system with LVM |
| 17:08.46 | piklu | I need ZFS for certain features. |
| 17:09.18 | teclo- | there's ZFS on Debian ? |
| 17:09.49 | epsilon | since a while, yes |
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| 17:22.16 | teraflops | piklu: zfs on top of lvm? I guess you can but what's the point? |
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| 17:22.51 | mostar | who has pdf instruction for repair bad stratch? |
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| 17:27.20 | Shmam | Hi! I'm running Debian + KDE and when I download a .deb from chromium, I can't just click it and have it install. Do I need to download some sort of deb gui? |
| 17:27.22 | piklu | teraflops : Just need to use a certain feature of proxmox called storage replication |
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| 17:27.53 | towo-vm | Shmam, apt install /path/to/chrome.deb |
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| 17:28.35 | teraflops | piklu: lvm on top of zfs makes more sense |
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| 17:29.25 | Shmam | I get "E: Unable to locate package steam_latest.deb" Could not find by glob or regex. |
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| 17:29.58 | towo-vm | Shmam, you tell nonsense |
| 17:30.13 | towo-vm | Shmam, you asked about chrome, not steam |
| 17:30.42 | awal1 | :D |
| 17:30.43 | Shmam | no. I said that I downloaded a .deb from chromium and clicked on it |
| 17:30.55 | Shmam | not a .deb for chromium |
| 17:31.04 | towo-vm | apt install chromium |
| 17:31.22 | Shmam | I downloaded the steam deb and want to install it |
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| 17:31.34 | towo-vm | no, no, no |
| 17:31.36 | Shmam | I already have Chromium installed |
| 17:31.38 | towo-vm | steam is in debian |
| 17:31.49 | fly_agaric | hello guys, i have a problem with my debian server. the process /bin/wipefs is using 100% cpu |
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| 17:32.03 | towo-vm | don't download $anything and try to install it |
| 17:32.13 | awal1 | ,v steam |
| 17:32.14 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 17:32.33 | towo-vm | it's only a 32bit package |
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| 17:32.51 | Shmam | wait what? |
| 17:32.59 | fly_agaric | someone know what /bin/wipefs does with my cpu? |
| 17:33.06 | Shmam | I'm trying to install Steam to do in-home streaming from my pc |
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| 17:34.05 | towo-vm | Shmam, again, steam is in debian, it's only 32bit and you need multiarch activated to install and using it |
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| 17:34.57 | Shmam | What do you mean "is in debian"? Also how do I activate multiarch? |
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| 17:36.23 | Shmam | Can I follow this? https://wiki.debian.org/Steam It only has instructions for Debian 8 and I'm running 9 |
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| 17:36.37 | Mathisen | Shmam, dpkg --add-architecture foobar |
| 17:36.39 | awal1 | i think there is a tutorial about stean stuff in debian wiki , check it, Shmam |
| 17:36.55 | awal1 | maybe that one |
| 17:37.07 | Shmam | yeah but I'm running debian 9 not 8 |
| 17:37.11 | Shmam | will it still work? |
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| 17:37.39 | Mathisen | yes |
| 17:38.04 | awal1 | ask again later or wait.... |
| 17:38.12 | Shmam | ok. I'm going to try that |
| 17:38.49 | awal1 | not all people here are games oriented |
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| 17:49.03 | w3gi | hi, how i can deactivate the password for root |
| 17:49.07 | w3gi | in mysql |
| 17:49.27 | w3gi | i want to be able to login with root@localhost without any password |
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| 17:49.48 | AlexLikeRock | w3gi, google it : "flush password mysql" |
| 17:50.04 | w3gi | i tryed it but it dont have any effect |
| 17:50.07 | phinxy | thanks to the apulse i now have working audio :) |
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| 17:55.58 | phinxy | never had luck with pulseaudio |
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| 17:58.03 | fly_agaric | hello guys, i have a problem with my debian server. the process /bin/wipefs is using 100% cpu |
| 17:58.22 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
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| 17:59.16 | AlexLikeRock | how long time ? fly_agaric ? |
| 17:59.36 | fly_agaric | i saw it the last 2hours |
| 17:59.54 | AlexLikeRock | how big its you RAID ? |
| 17:59.56 | fly_agaric | after server reboot 100% again |
| 17:59.59 | AlexLikeRock | (size ) |
| 18:00.24 | fly_agaric | its a vm |
| 18:00.29 | fly_agaric | the physical server is okay |
| 18:00.39 | towo-vm | no package in debian is providing /bin/wipefs |
| 18:00.46 | AlexLikeRock | DESCRIPTION |
| 18:00.46 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.01 | towo-vm | only /sbin/wipefs |
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| 18:04.27 | thinkpad_r40 | i installed debian 9 (stretch) on an old laptop, an ibm thinkpad r40. browsing the web with firefox and verything worked ok until i closed the lid. I opened the lid a few minutes later but the screen remains dark, how can get my session back? |
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| 18:05.52 | AlexLikeRock | hi thinkpad_r40 |
| 18:06.15 | thinkpad_r40 | hi, can you help me? |
| 18:06.19 | AlexLikeRock | what desktop use? |
| 18:06.23 | AlexLikeRock | gnome ? |
| 18:06.24 | AlexLikeRock | kde ? |
| 18:06.24 | thinkpad_r40 | Mate |
| 18:06.30 | AlexLikeRock | fine... |
| 18:07.04 | AlexLikeRock | even PANEL , hiden ? |
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| 18:08.11 | thinkpad_r40 | i do not understand. The things is that the screen is completely black |
| 18:08.29 | AlexLikeRock | mouse ? |
| 18:08.44 | AlexLikeRock | dissapear ? |
| 18:09.05 | thinkpad_r40 | it is a laptop that does not have a mouse |
| 18:09.23 | AlexLikeRock | i mean |
| 18:09.26 | AlexLikeRock | cursor |
| 18:09.29 | AlexLikeRock | (arror) |
| 18:09.34 | annadane | !enter |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:10.00 | thinkpad_r40 | you mean a blinking cursor? |
| 18:10.40 | AndreasLutro | thinkpad_r40: can you tell if the screen has no light at all, or if the screen is rendering all black? |
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| 18:11.36 | AndreasLutro | I remember having issues with thinkpads in the past where the screen wouldn't activate right away - usually a keypress would solve it, but you might have to mess around with xbacklight yourself |
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| 18:14.00 | thinkpad_r40 | AndreasLutro, AlexLikeRock, the screen is completely black. |
| 18:14.23 | AlexLikeRock | pres: |
| 18:14.33 | AlexLikeRock | ALT + Pet SIS + K |
| 18:14.37 | AlexLikeRock | or |
| 18:14.51 | AlexLikeRock | ALT + Impr Pant + K |
| 18:15.54 | thinkpad_r40 | K or k? |
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| 18:16.16 | AlexLikeRock | k |
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| 18:16.47 | Bmw^ | does anyone know what means (porco dio)? * |
| 18:17.36 | annadane | Bmw^, hi. this is a support channel for debian stable |
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| 18:18.03 | thinkpad_r40 | AlexLikeRock, tried out what you told me but the issue remains the same |
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| 18:18.35 | AlexLikeRock | don use firefox , |
| 18:18.51 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.21 | thinkpad_r40 | i think it is not a web browser related issue |
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| 18:19.48 | thinkpad_r40 | but a suspend/hibernate one |
| 18:19.52 | annadane | AlexLikeRock, it is very obviously not a firefox problem |
| 18:20.22 | AlexLikeRock | yes , es its problem of RANDER /Grhaphic |
| 18:20.50 | annadane | ... |
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| 18:26.01 | hw_ | whats the cleanest way to transition from gnome to kde? im on testing if that matters |
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| 18:28.07 | thinkpad_r40 | what can i do? i do not want to press the power button and end up with orphaned inodes upon starting up the laptop again |
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| 18:32.07 | strungout | ? |
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| 18:33.36 | woenxs_ | Hi |
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| 18:33.50 | IHaveNoName | Hoi |
| 18:34.05 | AlexLikeRock | hao! |
| 18:34.54 | IHaveNoName | Can we make millions of kinds of bots on debian? |
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| 18:36.24 | woenxs_ | Is anyone here familiar with Gnuplot? |
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| 18:37.49 | thinkpad_r40 | AndreasLutro, AlexLikeRock, i do not want to perform a harsh reboot and end up with orphaned inodes. How can i overcome the issue? |
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| 18:39.20 | teraflops | IHaveNoName: you can install as much bots as you want but not in #debian :P |
| 18:39.43 | IHaveNoName | I meant the software not da channel |
| 18:39.47 | teraflops | ah, sure |
| 18:39.56 | teraflops | I do like limnoria |
| 18:40.32 | IHaveNoName | K afk |
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| 18:41.39 | annadane | thinkpad_r40, if all else fails can you access a virtual terminal? ctl alt f1 through f6 |
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| 18:43.45 | pja | A quick Google suggests that the R40 had this problem back in 2003. May be fixable with some /etc/acpi scripting? |
| 18:43.53 | thinkpad_r40 | can not access a virtual terminal, i tried ctl alt f1 through f6 but the screen remained completely black with no option to perform a console login |
| 18:44.04 | pja | (But whether it's worth putting time into a 14 year old laptop is another question.) |
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| 18:44.28 | thinkpad_r40 | pja, i do not want to perform a harsh reboot and end up with orphaned inodes. How can i overcome the issue? |
| 18:44.40 | Paul-- | hello |
| 18:44.50 | pja | ctrl-alt-del should do controlled shutdown. |
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| 18:45.52 | Paul-- | if a copy a usb device with : cp /dev/sdb1 img-name ; may I copy this file in another usb key ? |
| 18:46.23 | annadane | Paul--, yep |
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| 18:46.34 | IHaveNoName | teraflops when i had my bath will chu help meh make da bots chu do? |
| 18:46.38 | annadane | Paul--, are you asking in general or because you want to copy debian to the usb? |
| 18:46.42 | pja | If not, there's a magic key combo to halt the machine, then sync the discs before forcing a reboot. alt-sysrq-something or other. You'll have to google it. |
| 18:47.25 | thinkpad_r40 | pja, ctrl-alt-del does NOT fix the current issue, meaning it does not reboot the laptop |
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| 18:47.45 | thinkpad_r40 | pja, ctrl-alt-del does NOT fix the current issue, meaning it does not reboot the laptop |
| 18:47.58 | Paul-- | annadane, this copy re-create the file system or no ? ; for example if the forst usb key were 1Gbyte , and the second is 16Gbyte , the copy re-create the 1Gbyte file system as dd or no ? |
| 18:47.59 | annadane | Paul--, sorry, it should be the other way around, cp img-name /dev/sdb1 |
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| 18:48.15 | teraflops | IHaveNoName: i just git limnorias to virtualenvs |
| 18:48.32 | IHaveNoName | ? |
| 18:48.45 | IHaveNoName | im a noob at dis stuff so idk what u mean |
| 18:48.46 | pja | thinkpad_r40: ssh into the laptop from another machine & reboot it? |
| 18:48.50 | Paul-- | cp img-name /dev/sdb1 ; this write the img-name of the device /dev/sdb1 |
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| 18:49.04 | blawiz | why urxvt (and xterm) open in the last used folder? even if i open them with a hotkey |
| 18:49.19 | AlexLikeRock | thinkpad_r40, tell ifo about you graphics |
| 18:49.29 | AlexLikeRock | chip name |
| 18:49.38 | thinkpad_r40 | pja, the laptop does not have an openssh server installed |
| 18:49.42 | annadane | Paul--, it depends on what you're trying to copy but you can use cp -r img-name /dev/sdb1 for recursion, ie, copying the subdirectories |
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| 18:50.30 | pja | thinkpad_r40: Time for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key then |
| 18:52.01 | annadane | Paul--, "file system" is very specific though. i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 18:52.07 | annadane | Paul--, can you describe what exactly you want to do |
| 18:53.05 | Paul-- | cp /dev/sdb1 ; I obtain a file with same dimension of the usb key |
| 18:53.25 | Paul-- | may I mount it on the file-system to read it ? |
| 18:53.35 | teraflops | IHaveNoName: you'll be fine, just read documentation |
| 18:53.50 | Paul-- | cp /dev/sdb1 img-filename; I obtain a file with same dimension of the usb key |
| 18:54.01 | annadane | Paul--, well, you said one usb is 1 GB and the second is 16 GB |
| 18:54.15 | thinkpad_r40 | pja, Alt+Sys Req +b did not reboot the laptop |
| 18:54.24 | annadane | sorry. i... just really don't understand the question |
| 18:54.34 | annadane | what do you mean by same dimension? |
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| 18:55.57 | trasckore | hi |
| 18:56.07 | trasckore | i nee to install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi on debian 6 |
| 18:56.11 | trasckore | where to get it? |
| 18:56.23 | annadane | i suspect probably debian snapshots |
| 18:56.30 | Paul-- | cp /dev/sdb1 img-filename /* I obtain a file with same dimension of the usb key */ ; mount img-filename /media /* I see under /media a copy of my 1Gbyte usb key |
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| 18:58.07 | teraflops | Paul--: you better cp /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:58.27 | annadane | yeah, that, first of all |
| 18:58.28 | teraflops | because youre not copying partition table |
| 18:58.43 | Paul-- | sdb is the entire usb key |
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| 18:58.51 | teraflops | yeah |
| 18:58.59 | teraflops | what about the partition table? |
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| 18:59.02 | Maguirre | evening all. tc |
| 18:59.08 | Paul-- | vfat |
| 18:59.12 | teraflops | no |
| 18:59.48 | teraflops | Paul--: give a try... |
| 19:01.50 | teraflops | Paul--: what's your goal? |
| 19:02.16 | Paul-- | teraflops, understand the copy raw of a device |
| 19:03.17 | pfred1 | Paul- I want to walk on an acre of tits barefoot |
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| 19:03.33 | pfred1 | that's my goal! |
| 19:03.35 | Paul-- | howver coping /dev/sdb1 file-name ; I obtain a file that mounted with : mount file-name /media it's the same of the key |
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| 19:08.45 | thinkpad_r40 | i still do not want to perform a harsh reboot and end up with orphaned inodes. How can i overcome the issue? |
| 19:09.16 | shtrb | sync + unmount and reboot ? |
| 19:09.37 | thinkpad_r40 | sorry? |
| 19:11.04 | Paul-- | last thing : one hex editor to edit and view binary files ? |
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| 19:13.41 | Paul-- | bless ? |
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| 19:30.12 | annadane | thinkpad_r40, if nobody here knows the answer you can try asking in a place that specializes in thinkpads |
| 19:30.27 | annadane | yes you're running debian but it may be more of a hardware issue |
| 19:30.43 | shtrb | thnkpad_r40 could you reask you question again please ? |
| 19:30.52 | shtrb | *thinkpad_r40 |
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| 19:31.17 | thinkpad_r40 | too late. i di a harsh reboot. i am going to disable suspend and hibernation |
| 19:31.35 | shtrb | are you in a docking station by any chance ? |
| 19:32.27 | thinkpad_r40 | Do the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend work on Debian 9? |
| 19:32.37 | thinkpad_r40 | shtrb, no |
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| 19:38.11 | teraflops | thinkpad_r40: maybe if youre lucky enough |
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| 19:39.12 | thinkpad_r40 | teraflops, lucky enough? the wiki should be updated! |
| 19:39.20 | teraflops | is not about the procedure, is about your hw, the gpu, and whatnot |
| 19:39.49 | teraflops | thinkpad_r40: the wiki cannot be updated with all the hw permutations that work |
| 19:40.17 | teraflops | plus all the kernels and e.g nvidia drivers versions |
| 19:40.30 | teraflops | that'd be crazy |
| 19:41.01 | thinkpad_r40 | teraflops, the instructions worked on my laptop though |
| 19:41.09 | teraflops | lucky you |
| 19:41.15 | thinkpad_r40 | yeah |
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| 19:51.10 | trasckore | i want to make a script /proxy.sh ON/OFF |
| 19:51.20 | trasckore | this will go on /etc/apt/apt.conf and comment the fist line with "//" |
| 19:51.40 | hw_ | did you know there are three calendars included in debian gnome? in case anyone needs to keep three different schedules separately on the same machine, debian gnome would be a great choice for you |
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| 19:53.54 | teraflops | does apt honor $*proxy env vars? |
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| 19:56.09 | trasckore | teraflops, maybe could it better a script to enable/disable proxy |
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| 19:57.46 | teraflops | idk I never had to tell apt to use a proxy |
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| 20:00.00 | IHaveNoName | :( |
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| 20:01.34 | trasckore | teraflops, generally i use /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:01.51 | Paul-- | how may I do in a single command : which prog_name ; ls -l $PATH/prog_name ? |
| 20:02.04 | teraflops | trasckore: what about ntlm proxies? |
| 20:02.34 | IHaveNoName | Will someone help me make a bot on debian ? (someone who is nice enough) |
| 20:02.44 | teraflops | trasckore: you can set them up there too? I had bad times with my workstation because ntlm |
| 20:02.55 | trasckore | teraflops, what they are? |
| 20:03.47 | teraflops | trasckore: MS adctive directory crap :P |
| 20:03.50 | teraflops | active^ |
| 20:04.03 | trasckore | idk |
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| 20:04.22 | teraflops | np, just wondering |
| 20:05.16 | Paul-- | which bc | ls -l don't go |
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| 20:10.47 | trasckore | https://github.com/alexnoox/proxy-switcher |
| 20:10.50 | mnuhmnuh | Paul--: locate |
| 20:10.54 | trasckore | it could be good? |
| 20:11.34 | Paul-- | locateno, locate search a string |
| 20:11.52 | Paul-- | I mean : a=`which bc` |
| 20:12.11 | Paul-- | echo $a ; give me the path of bc |
| 20:12.19 | Paul-- | ls -l $a |
| 20:12.28 | Paul-- | I want do this in one command |
| 20:12.42 | mnuhmnuh | Paul--: you're futxing w link vs. parent? |
| 20:12.43 | Paul-- | which bc | ls -l ; don't go |
| 20:13.05 | teraflops | ls -l what |
| 20:13.42 | Paul-- | must I do a script to do this or no ? |
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| 20:14.01 | teraflops | Paul--: what do you want to do? |
| 20:14.22 | teraflops | here: which bc | ls -l |
| 20:14.28 | adelyne | Paul-- what, no, just do: ls -l "$(which <prog_name>)" |
| 20:14.29 | phinxy | I would like to save a piece of text. Its an stackoverflow.com answer. Trying to think of the best way. Firefox can take screenshots of the <div> which is nice but it would not be searchable. storing the text in a .txt file is searchable but the html formatting is lost |
| 20:15.11 | adelyne | which outputs the path of the program corresponding to <prog_name>, and ls can take a path as an argument |
| 20:15.12 | teraflops | save as pdf? |
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| 20:16.05 | Paul-- | adelyne, ok |
| 20:17.43 | adelyne | phinxy, maybe you can get the source of the answer https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/336254/see-underlying-markdown-source-code-of-locked-answer-question |
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| 20:19.07 | phinxy | adelyne: there is the html inspect tool. could be an option |
| 20:19.33 | mnuhmnuh | adelyne: ls -l "$(which gparted)" # perfectly explanatory to me, tx. :-) |
| 20:20.35 | phinxy | My first linux program could be a notebook with sqlite3 under the hood |
| 20:21.00 | phinxy | Or just use the filesystem |
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| 20:29.24 | dontknow | if i get the firefox source from sid, can i compile it on stretch? |
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| 20:34.59 | dontknow | everyone asks question and gets answer. when i ask question, vuuuuu |
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| 20:35.24 | adelyne | that usually means no one available knows |
| 20:35.34 | dontknow | anyone here compile firefox by getting source from sid? |
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| 20:36.31 | n4dir | doesn't look to me as it would be a version-jump worth the trouble. |
| 20:36.53 | dontknow | i bought a new pc. i don't want to waste its potential |
| 20:36.54 | mnuhmnuh | dontknow: you should be in #debian-next (testing, ...) for stuff such as that. |
| 20:37.20 | abrotman | dontknow: have you checked mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 20:37.29 | abrotman | mnuhmnuh: eh, no .. he's asking about stretch |
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| 20:38.07 | mnuhmnuh | source from sid on stable. |
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| 20:38.21 | dontknow | ah i forgot rust :S |
| 20:38.30 | abrotman | mnuhmnuh: this channel is fine |
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| 20:38.40 | dontknow | sorry |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | dontknow: did you check mozilla.debian.net to see if those builds satisfy your needs |
| 20:38.54 | dontknow | oh my |
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| 20:39.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dontknow about ssb |
| 20:39.26 | abrotman | if not, you can try that |
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| 20:40.00 | dontknow | abrotman, no need. there is no rust package :| |
| 20:40.16 | trasckore | i need to download an old gcc package |
| 20:40.19 | trasckore | is possible? |
| 20:41.06 | abrotman | trasckore: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 20:41.27 | abrotman | trasckore: if you need an older release, archive.debian.org |
| 20:41.47 | trasckore | i installed debian 6 |
| 20:41.49 | mnuhmnuh | everybody, remember, anything you want to do, worst case, can be done in /usr/local. just wanted to say. :-) |
| 20:42.15 | adelyne | dontknow: Of course if all you want is the latest firefox you can download prebuilt binaries from mozilla's website |
| 20:42.41 | dontknow | adelyne, i want to compile myself |
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| 20:45.06 | abrotman | dontknow: why? |
| 20:45.30 | dontknow | abrotman, i don't want to waste my cpu's potential |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | dontknow: how old is your computer? |
| 20:45.44 | dontknow | it is new |
| 20:45.51 | abrotman | then it won't matter |
| 20:45.58 | abrotman | your CPU will be sitting mostly idle |
| 20:46.11 | dontknow | yeah. i want it to work |
| 20:46.23 | abrotman | so you want to stress test your CPU by compiling firefox? |
| 20:46.35 | mnuhmnuh | how many cores? |
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| 20:46.49 | dontknow | i also want to modify firefox a little bit |
| 20:46.55 | dontknow | mnuhmnuh, 4 cores |
| 20:47.03 | abrotman | dontknow: then you should know how to build it .. you don't need our help |
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| 20:47.15 | dontknow | no i don't |
| 20:47.29 | dontknow | i know how to build from current debian source |
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| 20:48.48 | dontknow | it would be pretty cool to build it from source gotten directly from mozilla |
| 20:48.49 | mnuhmnuh | dontknow: wget the tarball, tar xz... README, ..., make |
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| 20:50.10 | mnuhmnuh | then, who uses make today? |
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| 20:50.59 | dontknow | i installed folding@home but i can't reach the gui |
| 20:51.30 | dontknow | it is protein folding research to cure diseases |
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| 20:51.49 | dontknow | you become a part of supercomputer |
| 20:52.38 | mnuhmnuh | cf. distributed.net |
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| 20:55.15 | dontknow | there was seti@home before |
| 20:55.27 | dontknow | they were searching alien signals |
| 20:56.19 | annadane | !chat |
| 20:56.19 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:58.36 | dontknow | annadane, just an anectode |
| 20:59.01 | phinxy | when pausing a song in cmus with 'c' it sometimes pauses and sometimes it makes a continious playback of the last second! |
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| 21:00.47 | trasckore | i need to download an old gcc package |
| 21:00.50 | trasckore | is possible? |
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| 21:00.54 | trasckore | i installed debian 6 |
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| 21:04.17 | cheche | trasckore: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
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| 21:05.12 | trasckore | chehe, maybe my question is not clear |
| 21:05.57 | __[0_0]__ | deb6 mirrors went kaput |
| 21:06.11 | __[0_0]__ | youre better off compiling from scratch |
| 21:06.55 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | trasckore: I told you, snapshot.debian.org or archive.debian.org |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | __[0_0]__: archive.debian.org, hardly kaput |
| 21:07.35 | trasckore | i used |
| 21:07.37 | trasckore | but does not work |
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| 21:07.42 | abrotman | trasckore: That's not helpful |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | what doesn't work? what did you try? what is the error? what did you expect? |
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| 21:08.31 | trasckore | apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi |
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| 21:12.55 | abrotman | trasckore: that's not enough information |
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| 21:14.03 | trasckore | abrotman, it's the name of the package |
| 21:14.10 | trasckore | what else do you need to know? |
| 21:16.18 | annadane | trasckore, your output... |
| 21:16.22 | annadane | paste.debian.net |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | your sources that you're using .. errors .. you know, helpful things |
| 21:17.54 | trasckore | annadane, output of what? |
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| 21:19.34 | trasckore | https://svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/download&product_document_id=315&product_id=22 |
| 21:19.42 | trasckore | this is what i need to do |
| 21:20.04 | trasckore | "Steps to setup tool chain" |
| 21:20.30 | annadane | okay fine but that isn't what we asked |
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| 21:20.50 | annadane | when you try to install that package, give us the output from the terminal, and your sources list |
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| 21:21.06 | annadane | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:21.22 | trasckore | it's in italian language |
| 21:21.27 | annadane | !localized errors |
| 21:21.27 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 21:21.29 | trasckore | if you want, i can translate |
| 21:21.53 | trasckore | well, but in this case the error is little, and i can translate directly |
| 21:22.09 | trasckore | "unable to find the package gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 21:22.42 | trasckore | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze mai |
| 21:22.51 | trasckore | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze squeeze-lts main |
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| 21:24.19 | annadane | please just use the paste site |
| 21:26.04 | trasckore | ok |
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| 21:27.30 | trasckore | annadane, any idea? |
| 21:27.47 | annadane | only if you paste your actual output |
| 21:27.53 | annadane | to the paste site |
| 21:27.56 | annadane | paste.debian.net <-- |
| 21:28.34 | annadane | so LC_ALL=C apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 21:28.50 | annadane | and LC_ALL=C cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:29.29 | trasckore | annadane, the problem is that i'm on a tty without a GUI |
| 21:29.36 | trasckore | so i can't open browser |
| 21:29.38 | annadane | ah. |
| 21:29.40 | annadane | !termbin |
| 21:29.40 | dpkg | well, termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:30.08 | trasckore | i have sprunge |
| 21:30.11 | trasckore | is the same thing? |
| 21:30.24 | annadane | i don't know what that is |
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| 21:31.02 | trasckore | annadane, a screenshot could be good the same? |
| 21:31.09 | trasckore | please, tell me yes |
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| 21:31.17 | trasckore | you can read the message the same |
| 21:31.39 | annadane | sure |
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| 21:33.17 | trasckore | https://s26.postimg.org/86cnx243t/Virtual_Box_Debian6_24_09_2017_23_32_32.png |
| 21:33.39 | trasckore | oh, i forgot to set the language |
| 21:33.52 | trasckore | but in that case, is simple, "unable to find the package" |
| 21:33.53 | trasckore | sorry |
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| 21:39.27 | annadane | okay, thanks. i don't know enough about snapshots to really comment but i'm sure somebody does |
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| 21:42.59 | simbalion | The guys in Python just went ape-sh** and blamed Debian for their software breaking itself. |
| 21:43.05 | simbalion | thought you guys should know because it is funny. |
| 21:46.00 | annadane | simbalion, this is a support channel. not the place. |
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| 21:47.03 | simbalion | annadane: Sorry! |
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| 21:51.56 | buggy2 | hi |
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| 21:52.51 | annadane | abrotman, any ideas on this one? |
| 21:53.35 | TrapMaid | hrm xfce4-screenshoter doesn't seem to store the screenshot as image data according to gimp. |
| 21:54.14 | buggy2 | does anybody know how to install vulkan? vulkainfo gives me this error: /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED |
| 21:54.36 | abrotman | oh what? |
| 21:54.39 | trasckore | so nobody could help me? |
| 21:54.56 | annadane | abrotman, https://s26.postimg.org/86cnx243t/Virtual_Box_Debian6_24_09_2017_23_32_32.png |
| 21:55.03 | annadane | trasckore, i didn't say that |
| 21:55.13 | annadane | having some patience is a good thing |
| 21:55.31 | annadane | abrotman, the italian simply translates to "package not found" |
| 21:55.40 | abrotman | does that package exist in squeeze? |
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| 21:56.12 | abrotman | trasckore: paste the output of `apt-cache search gcc-arm` |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 21:56.28 | annadane | doesn't have a gui |
| 21:56.34 | annadane | just post a screenshot of it |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | that's fine |
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| 21:58.19 | annadane | also i should have thought of that before, sorry >_> |
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| 21:58.22 | squarecircle | hi |
| 21:58.49 | squarecircle | I'm losetuping a 3TB container from a mounted NFS share |
| 21:58.53 | trasckore | abrotman, empty output |
| 21:59.23 | squarecircle | its not doing any traffic and it feels stuck (>10mins no exited process) |
| 21:59.31 | squarecircle | any idea? |
| 21:59.38 | abrotman | trasckore: apt-cache search gcc .. anything? |
| 22:00.26 | abrotman | notes he's installed amd64 |
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| 22:01.23 | squarecircle | oh and -v flag does nothing |
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| 22:02.37 | squarecircle | ok |
| 22:02.40 | squarecircle | nevermind |
| 22:02.55 | squarecircle | I just remembered, that its a luks-container |
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| 22:03.01 | SemiNus | hi |
| 22:03.07 | squarecircle | it works |
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| 22:03.14 | annadane | !next |
| 22:03.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:03.25 | squarecircle | :D |
| 22:03.36 | SemiNus | annadane, me, me ^.^ |
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| 22:03.49 | abrotman | trasckore: Are you sure you meant to install squeeze? |
| 22:04.11 | trasckore | abrotman, debian 6 |
| 22:04.20 | trasckore | <abrotman> trasckore: apt-cache search gcc |
| 22:04.24 | abrotman | trasckore: I don't think that package exists for amd64 in squeeze |
| 22:04.30 | SemiNus | I rented a virtual machine (vserver) with Debian running. However, the Kernel is old (2.6). If I had known this, I would not have rented it. However, now I have to deal with it. |
| 22:04.52 | SemiNus | I tried to update the kernel using: |
| 22:04.55 | SemiNus | sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 |
| 22:05.00 | SemiNus | ^ because it's a virtual machine |
| 22:05.15 | SemiNus | I got no errors, but after rebooting, the Kernel has not changed |
| 22:05.25 | abrotman | it's a VPS |
| 22:05.26 | SemiNus | Problem: There is no grub installed on that system! (no idea how it boots) |
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| 22:05.42 | jhutchins | That's probably because it's the latest kernel available in the main repos for that release. |
| 22:05.47 | abrotman | trasckore: when did that package first appear? |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | SemiNus: what is /etc/debian_version ? |
| 22:05.58 | jhutchins | SemiNus: You need to determine which release it is. |
| 22:06.02 | SemiNus | judd, but I installed Kernel 4.4 |
| 22:06.20 | trasckore | abrotman, i geave you a link |
| 22:06.26 | abrotman | trasckore: a link to what? |
| 22:06.30 | trasckore | https://svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/download&product_document_id=315&product_id=22 |
| 22:06.35 | SemiNus | jhutchins, abrotman: It's version Debian 8.7 |
| 22:06.39 | trasckore | is the guide to compile uboot |
| 22:06.45 | trasckore | it's approxiimately 2011 |
| 22:06.45 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 22:06.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-trunk-686 (4.13.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: |
| 22:06.47 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 22:07.08 | SemiNus | the version was 3.16 btw. |
| 22:07.13 | SemiNus | of the kernel |
| 22:07.22 | abrotman | trasckore: the word Debian does not appear in that document |
| 22:07.29 | abrotman | nor squeeze |
| 22:07.40 | trasckore | what does it care? |
| 22:07.46 | SemiNus | linux-headers-amd64 is version Version: 3.16+63 |
| 22:07.50 | annadane | it looks like you're following ubuntu instructions |
| 22:07.54 | annadane | which is... not debian |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | trasckore: you're the one following those instructions |
| 22:07.57 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 22:07.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 22:08.13 | jhutchins | SemiNus: Does /boot exist? Does it have the current and new kernels in it? |
| 22:08.15 | abrotman | annadane: not helpful |
| 22:08.25 | trasckore | abrotman, ubuntu is the system which should be running on the dev board |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | trasckore: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:08.40 | trasckore | abrotman, i have a dev board, right? |
| 22:08.41 | SemiNus | jhutchins, yes, it contains: |
| 22:08.43 | SemiNus | System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64 config-3.16.0-4-amd64 initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:08.49 | trasckore | i need to compile the boot loader (uboot) |
| 22:08.55 | trasckore | which is an old version |
| 22:09.19 | SemiNus | oh, I just realize: It only contains the new version, not the old version which currently runs |
| 22:09.24 | jhutchins | SemiNus: Obviously the system isn't booting from there then. It's possible /boot is unmounted after the system starts (an old security trick for public servers). |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | trasckore: FWIW, uboot seems to exist in jessie |
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| 22:10.03 | SemiNus | jhutchins, is there no way for me to get a newer kernel? |
| 22:10.10 | trasckore | abrotman |
| 22:10.18 | trasckore | maybe is not clear the goal |
| 22:10.31 | jhutchins | SemiNus: You need to determine how it's booting, what's in the fstab, what fdisk -l shows you, and possibly consult your provider's support and documentation. Be VERY cautious about upgrading without their guidance, you may make the system unbootable if it requires something special in the kernel. |
| 22:11.02 | jhutchins | SemiNus: Some virtualization requires special kernel modules and/or parameters. |
| 22:11.21 | SemiNus | okay then I better wait for Monday to ask |
| 22:11.27 | SemiNus | I will contact them then |
| 22:11.32 | SemiNus | thank you jhutchins and abrotman |
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| 22:15.54 | numbdewd | hola deb folks.. i've an old VPS-server running Wheezy. I thought I might aswell try update it .. shall I simply alter the repository-list to read "stretch" instead of "wheezy", or shall I first make it "jessie" and after updating thru that take it up the last notch to the l8est & gr8est..that is Stretch . . . . ? thks .. ! |
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| 22:19.38 | numbdewd | updating Wheezy straight to Stretch OK, or go thru Jessie-updates before takin on Stretch? .. cheers.. ^_- |
| 22:21.51 | awal1 | wheezy ---> jessie ----> stretch |
| 22:22.33 | awal1 | good luck for wheezy to jessie |
| 22:22.34 | numbdewd | Many thanks awal1. |
| 22:22.56 | jhutchins | numbdewd: You should read the release notes. Usually they advise doing a complete update on the existing install and disabling odd repos before doing a dist upgrade. |
| 22:23.12 | numbdewd | o. hmh.. |
| 22:23.17 | numbdewd | "complete update"..hmmh. |
| 22:23.46 | awal1 | dist/full-upgrade |
| 22:24.06 | jhutchins | numbdewd: So update wheezy, upgrade to jessie, make sure jessie is up-to-date and upgrade to stretch. |
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| 22:24.37 | numbdewd | o.. k. Thanks - again! :-] |
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| 22:24.44 | awal1 | first wheezy up-to-date |
| 22:24.46 | __[0_0]__ | Is it possible to craft a preseed recipe that creates a single vg spanning two physical volumes? This is what im trying, and what im getting with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 https://pastebin.com/BuSBkSgr |
| 22:24.50 | numbdewd | here.. have some music..:) -> |
| 22:24.51 | jhutchins | !release notes |
| 22:24.51 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 22:24.51 | numbdewd | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9LBNYLRD8 ("Pretty Lights - My Other Love" (<~music .. ^_^ .. âªâ«âªâª?)) |
| 22:25.01 | numbdewd | yep.. just did update on it. |
| 22:25.08 | jhutchins | numbdewd: The jessie release notes will be on a similar path. |
| 22:25.21 | numbdewd | k.. thanks. will check it ! |
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| 22:26.30 | buggy2 | how do I fix this vulkan error: VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED |
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| 22:31.06 | trasckore | people: you stop hepling me? :( |
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| 22:32.54 | jhutchins | buggy2: Not enough information. |
| 22:33.38 | buggy2 | jhutchins: Debian 9 stable, AMD Radeon r7 250x, default open source driver that comes with Debian |
| 22:33.55 | buggy2 | jhutchins: the error comes from vulkaninfo |
| 22:34.37 | jhutchins | trasckore: Debian 6 really isn't supported any more. |
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| 22:34.50 | jhutchins | trasckore: Not too many people have answers. |
| 22:35.00 | jhutchins | !archive |
| 22:35.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 22:35.07 | jhutchins | !wheezy |
| 22:35.07 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
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| 22:35.57 | jhutchins | !squeeze |
| 22:35.57 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Security support for Squeeze ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 22:36.19 | abrotman | trasckore: you still haven't told us the actual goal, not "install this package" |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | why are you triyng to do this with Squeeze instead of something newer? |
| 22:36.42 | jhutchins | Sorry for the clutter there. |
| 22:37.00 | numbdewd | apology accepted. |
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| 22:39.35 | jhutchins | What I was actually looking for was the <debian archive> factoid, which I sent him. |
| 22:41.30 | trasckore | abrotman, you need to know all the details? |
| 22:41.34 | trasckore | if you want, i can tell you |
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| 22:42.13 | annadane | the answer to that is usually always "yes"... |
| 22:42.18 | abrotman | trasckore: Why squeeze, why not jessie? |
| 22:42.27 | abrotman | That version of Debian has the package you want |
| 22:42.36 | sc_ | y not stretch |
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| 22:42.47 | trasckore | due to compatibility issue |
| 22:42.55 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 22:43.07 | abrotman | trasckore: When you're ready to supply actual answers, let us know |
| 22:43.34 | sc_ | until then, abrotman and i reserve the right to drink as much tequila as possible |
| 22:43.36 | trasckore | i think i will not fix my problem, so, never mind |
| 22:43.45 | sc_ | fine |
| 22:44.12 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 22:44.47 | trasckore | and i don't like the fact the channel has been logged |
| 22:44.57 | sc_ | thats your choice |
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| 22:45.56 | trasckore | i did not authorized anybody to record my discussion and keep it public via an http server, that's a privacy violation |
| 22:46.09 | sc_ | good luck in life with that mentality |
| 22:46.12 | annadane | sigh |
| 22:46.23 | annadane | and you're telling us this after the fact? |
| 22:46.38 | trasckore | i did read the topic too late |
| 22:46.43 | annadane | maybe then just don't post on irc channels, vast majority of them are logged, if not officially then by some of the users |
| 22:46.43 | sc_ | YOU. |
| 22:46.46 | sc_ | YOU DID THIS. |
| 22:46.54 | sc_ | /PART NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE |
| 22:46.58 | annadane | stop. |
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| 22:47.42 | jhutchins | trasckore: Your problem, not ours. irc is a public forum, there is no expectation of privacy. |
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| 22:48.05 | trasckore | it's your problem, in italy this is a legal issue |
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| 22:48.38 | jhutchins | trasckore: See again: public forum. |
| 22:49.33 | nonedead | Also this server is located in the US and logging of a public forum is legally allowed and not privacy is expected |
| 22:50.46 | trasckore | on public forum you have control of what you post, you can remove your sentences, or modify them. here you can do nothing, what you say, is all over the internet, without any authorization |
| 22:51.16 | sc_ | i also have a problem with this, your constant updates of bandwidth could be considered spam |
| 22:51.16 | trasckore | so, please, take care of user's privacy |
| 22:51.25 | sc_ | i suggest you stop |
| 22:51.28 | sim590 | I have Okular installed, but I don't use KDE. When I highlight in Okular, I get a dark highlighting color (dark blue). How can I change that? |
| 22:51.35 | annadane | you can tell the admins all you want about this but they're not going to change it |
| 22:51.39 | annadane | don't post here if you don't like it |
| 22:52.00 | annadane | just because italy has laws about it doesn't make you automatically correct |
| 22:53.39 | trasckore | annadane, if i post here a private link wrongly, or a password, or whatever you consider private, why should it be all over the internet in a lifetime? |
| 22:54.04 | sc_ | thats your choice |
| 22:54.11 | sc_ | we have entered the matrix |
| 22:54.13 | trasckore | plus, what's the utility of 5 years ago logs? |
| 22:54.25 | sc_ | to solve your problem in 2 years |
| 22:54.39 | awal1 | dpkg: offtopic |
| 22:54.39 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:55.45 | annadane | sim590, i'd like to say it's in the okular preferences but i'm not certain about that |
| 22:55.51 | annadane | it shouldn't depend on your desktop environment |
| 22:56.06 | annadane | i'm sort of going through my unstable version of okular looking for options |
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| 22:57.48 | sim590 | annadane: I have checked that already. |
| 22:58.01 | Grobo | I'm trying to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. It seems to work but after I've upgraded, running apt update gets stuck at "0% [Working]" after showing "hits" for the sources. |
| 22:58.23 | annadane | mine doesn't seem to have a highlight color option which likely means okular in stable doesn't either |
| 22:58.38 | sim590 | I'm in unstable. |
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| 22:59.16 | awal1 | sim590, probably related gtk/qt and theming. a qt app running under a gtk env. |
| 22:59.27 | annadane | ah, that's possible. |
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| 22:59.41 | annadane | for future reference, testing/unstable questions go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:59.59 | pierrot | 5 |
| 23:00.26 | dvs | no, it's 7 |
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| 23:03.02 | awal1 | Grobo, apt-get clean &6 apt-get autoclean |
| 23:03.38 | awal1 | it just "may" help |
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| 23:07.06 | Grobo | awal1: Thanks. I tried that but it still seems to get stuck. |
| 23:07.47 | annadane | Grobo, have you perhaps tried using a different mirror |
| 23:08.05 | awal1 | Grobo, try other mirrors |
| 23:08.31 | annadane | i'm not sure why a jessie > stretch upgrade would cause that to happen but it's on the list of preliminary steps to try |
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| 23:11.33 | awal1 | Grobo, example: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main ... |
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| 23:13.10 | awal1 | i use ftp.us |
| 23:13.23 | Grobo | hmm |
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| 23:13.50 | Grobo | I'm trying one but I must be doing something wrong |
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| 23:14.36 | awal1 | also check you internet connection |
| 23:14.54 | Grobo | my connection is good |
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| 23:16.46 | Grobo | I don't understand this list of mirrors |
| 23:16.58 | awal1 | paste you sources |
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| 23:17.09 | Grobo | deb http://debian.cse.msu.edu /debian stretch main |
| 23:17.14 | awal1 | paste.debian.net |
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| 23:18.01 | Grobo | http://paste.debian.net/987599/ |
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| 23:18.54 | annadane | well, try replacing those with deb.debian.org |
| 23:19.11 | annadane | maybe not the security entries but the other ones |
| 23:20.55 | Grobo | annadane: 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.40.204 80] |
| 23:20.55 | awal1 | Grobo, as annadane told you |
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| 23:21.16 | annadane | that's weird because deb.debian.org is a redirect |
| 23:21.19 | Grobo | deb http://deb.debian.org /debian stretch main |
| 23:21.22 | Grobo | is that right? |
| 23:21.41 | awal1 | yup |
| 23:22.22 | awal1 | security line eave them as they are |
| 23:22.47 | annadane | is /debian really necessary? i thought you could leave that out |
| 23:22.52 | annadane | just http://deb.debian.org stretch main |
| 23:23.24 | annadane | also /debian/dists |
| 23:23.45 | annadane | also when you change your sources list you'll need to apt update first |
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| 23:24.15 | Grobo | annadane: Right, that's the problem. Update hangs, every time. |
| 23:24.25 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.50 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList see "example sources.list" |
| 23:25.01 | awal1 | update yeah |
| 23:25.08 | annadane | essenally make it that and apt update |
| 23:25.15 | annadane | i would be *very* surprised if the issue still persists |
| 23:25.38 | annadane | also what editor are you using, are you sure you're saving your changes, or are you using something like synaptic |
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| 23:26.27 | annadane | i would probably just go to the terminal, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list (as root), edit your sources list, ctrl + x, y, enter, apt update |
| 23:26.31 | Grobo | I had the list before.. it's doing the same thing. It connects and then gets to "working" and hangs forever. |
| 23:27.04 | annadane | so you switched it from deb.debian.org to the msu.edu sources because it wasn't working? |
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| 23:28.33 | Grobo | from the example ones, basically. I had working ones with Jessie, updated/upgraded, replaced Jessie with Stretch and then did an update/upgrade + dist-upgrade. Rebooted and then "apt update" started hanging at "working". |
| 23:28.54 | annadane | that's so strange. |
| 23:28.59 | Grobo | Yes |
| 23:29.06 | Grobo | no errors or feedback |
| 23:29.08 | Grobo | it just sits there |
| 23:29.33 | Grobo | http://paste.debian.net/987600/ |
| 23:31.13 | annadane | well, looking over your sources list from before, i see you have lines commented out, including the security ones |
| 23:31.57 | annadane | remove the #'s |
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| 23:32.34 | Grobo | yeah I was trying limiting it to one source, to see if I could get any ideas |
| 23:33.03 | annadane | so even with nothing commented, using deb.debian.org and security.debian.org, it still hangs? |
| 23:33.43 | Grobo | yes |
| 23:34.15 | Grobo | using the example from https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 23:34.23 | annadane | i notice you also mixed msu and mit |
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| 23:36.17 | annadane | but if you really used the example for deb.debian.org and it still hangs then there must be a deeper underlying reason |
| 23:36.32 | annadane | like an unfinished upgrade to stretch |
| 23:36.32 | prappl93 | Grobo, have you tried rebooting your modem and router? |
| 23:36.39 | Grobo | yeah but I'm not actually using that list. Those were just tests. I'm using the example deb list and it downloads things but hangs at "working". |
| 23:37.00 | phinxy | the audio issue was caused "auto mute". After disabling it in alsamixer there its fine. I blamed pulseaudio but it probably has something similar |
| 23:37.02 | Grobo | I wonder what that line means "Hit:3 http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie InRelease" |
| 23:37.45 | Grobo | this is the guide I followed: https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch |
| 23:38.02 | Grobo | maybe they have a mistake in there |
| 23:38.20 | annadane | well, in the first place, debian has upgrade instructions |
| 23:38.26 | annadane | you don't need to use a third party website |
| 23:39.26 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:39.33 | annadane | assuming you're on amd64; most are |
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| 23:40.42 | Grobo | this is armhf |
| 23:40.44 | annadane | the comments on that page you linked even say that the instructions break the system |
| 23:41.00 | annadane | okay so https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/armhf/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:41.27 | Grobo | well, good thing there are official instructions then :) |
| 23:41.30 | Grobo | thanks |
| 23:42.03 | annadane | that said, we should probably pinpoint what step in the unofficial instructions borked it and try to reverse that |
| 23:42.25 | phinxy | should X config files have capital X or not? looks inconsistent |
| 23:42.34 | annadane | i assume you don't feel like installing stretch from scratch to make sure it's done properly |
| 23:42.47 | annadane | that's what i would do but i have a bias towards just wiping things clean |
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| 23:44.37 | Grobo | annadane: I'd have to dig a bit into how to build the images for this hardware. At this point, I probably could have researched that with less difficulty but hopefully, I learned something. |
| 23:45.01 | annadane | if i had to guess, the issue was probably "During this step, you will asked if you want to restart services during package upgrades without asking. If you want manually restart services, choose No. This tutorial choose Yes." |
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| 23:45.41 | annadane | if you still have the output from your upgrade process you can potentially post that but chances are you've closed the console by now and that type of thing isn't in logs |
| 23:46.11 | annadane | i mean, anything could have gone wrong, not necessarily that, but that's why debian has official upgrade instructions |
| 23:47.52 | Grobo | yeah, I don't have the logs but maybe I will log the session, this time |
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| 23:57.58 | Paul-- | https://pastebin.com/SRhdf1eL |
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| 23:58.38 | Paul-- | the line : Linux Foundation 2.0 # indicate the usb type or what ? |
| 23:58.54 | Paul-- | I mean usb 2.0 or 3.0 |
