| 00:00.07 | TrapMaid | ahh right my card is Radeon HD 6570 |
| 00:00.52 | TrapMaid | odd this page doesn't have info about stretch. |
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| 00:06.26 | R4d0n | hi guys; was wondering if anyone here could help me get started with installing my audio? New install of a debian -based-distro and its not detecting my audio |
| 00:09.20 | TrapMaid | only thing i know on that subject is that one of my installs didn't get pulse audio so i had to install it myself to get sound detection working. |
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| 00:10.54 | R4d0n | ok, thx. I'll keep searching |
| 00:11.33 | TrapMaid | there are other people who may be mroe help just to be clear. i just was saying what that meant for me. |
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| 00:18.59 | RoyK | R4d0n: debian or something else? this channel is for debian. but then, check lshw to see if the audio thing is listed. https://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration contains some info |
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| 00:20.30 | RoyK | the reason for this being for debian alone, and not whatever distro based on it, is the differences - and there's a lot of them |
| 00:21.32 | R4d0n | its parrot |
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| 00:22.04 | R4d0n | i'm checking out that link, thank |
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| 00:45.16 | jared | hey |
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| 00:55.13 | Photon | Hello |
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| 00:57.01 | WeirdErrors | anyone seen this error message? http://imgur.com/ehmtV9T |
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| 00:59.11 | rajkosto | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the libpthread-stubs0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 00:59.15 | rajkosto | how do i manually fix any package |
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| 00:59.51 | WeirdErrors | rajkosto: have you seen this error message before? http://imgur.com/ehmtV9T |
| 01:00.02 | Photon | WeirdErrors: fuck you |
| 01:00.16 | WeirdErrors | Photon: why? |
| 01:00.20 | WeirdErrors | for asking for support? |
| 01:00.24 | Photon | No |
| 01:00.34 | Photon | Go share your shit with another channel |
| 01:00.34 | WeirdErrors | then why? |
| 01:00.38 | newbie124 | where to get an old version of sfdisk? |
| 01:00.38 | WeirdErrors | omg wrong link |
| 01:00.43 | WeirdErrors | sorry my bad |
| 01:00.45 | Photon | Yeah bullshit |
| 01:00.53 | WeirdErrors | excuse me? |
| 01:00.57 | Photon | I'd ban you if I could. |
| 01:00.58 | jared | guess how old i am |
| 01:01.09 | Photon | jared: no idea |
| 01:01.10 | WeirdErrors | jared: how old? |
| 01:01.29 | jared | guess |
| 01:01.37 | Robby | 12 |
| 01:01.49 | jared | lol |
| 01:01.51 | Photon | Hold on imma research first |
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| 01:02.07 | sypher | !ops WeirdErrors spamming porn in #debian |
| 01:02.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sypher complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 01:02.26 | sypher | themill: The timing on that. |
| 01:02.46 | jared | i'm bored |
| 01:02.52 | Photon | Thank you |
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| 01:03.43 | Photon | Too lazy to look closely at stats |
| 01:03.51 | Photon | jared: 15 |
| 01:04.03 | themill | Photon, jared: wrong channel? |
| 01:04.14 | Photon | He wanted me to guess, sorry ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:04.35 | Photon | I'm not used to channels that are really strict about being on topic |
| 01:04.43 | jared | ya |
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| 01:05.11 | jared | someone talk to me! |
| 01:05.36 | jared | can you pm on here? |
| 01:06.34 | annadane | !chat |
| 01:06.34 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:06.40 | annadane | jared, ^ |
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| 01:08.25 | rajkosto | how do i fix apt ? |
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| 01:08.42 | Photon | !paste |
| 01:08.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:08.45 | annadane | !bat |
| 01:08.45 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:08.55 | Photon | Sorry |
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| 01:10.55 | rajkosto | https://pastebin.com/SNMziSx0 |
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| 01:12.25 | annadane | rajkosto, are you on stable? |
| 01:12.31 | rajkosto | its wheezy 7.10 |
| 01:12.37 | annadane | oh boy. |
| 01:12.46 | annadane | well, first of all, mention that in the first place |
| 01:13.16 | themill | rajkosto: the rest of the output that dpkg asked for would be good |
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| 01:13.48 | jared | im horny |
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| 01:14.18 | rajkosto | https://pastebin.com/eWxeP1sW |
| 01:14.59 | rajkosto | https://pastebin.com/dECGdqmR |
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| 01:16.14 | themill | rajkosto: can you pastebin the contents of the files /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpthread-stubs0*list for us? |
| 01:17.01 | rajkosto | heh |
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| 01:17.05 | rajkosto | doing that cat EXACTLY like that |
| 01:17.11 | rajkosto | showed me that theres an empty line at the end of one of them |
| 01:17.14 | rajkosto | removing that fixed it |
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| 01:17.27 | themill | hope you've got good backups |
| 01:17.37 | rajkosto | why |
| 01:17.44 | rajkosto | finished just fine now |
| 01:18.12 | themill | because either someone broke that file manually and it apparently wasn't you, or you've got an unhappy filesystem |
| 01:18.21 | rajkosto | it was removed during a fsck |
| 01:18.32 | rajkosto | so i manually made it from my other wheezy system |
| 01:18.34 | themill | so an unhappy filesystem |
| 01:18.35 | rajkosto | missed an empty line |
| 01:18.57 | rajkosto | before copy pasting the text from my other wheezy it was giving me E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the libpthread-stubs0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 01:50.11 | xulf | is abortman still answering 99 percent of the questions |
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| 01:50.23 | xulf | haven't been in here in a while |
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| 01:51.27 | xulf | I mean abrotman |
| 01:52.34 | dvs | who? |
| 01:52.38 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:53.27 | aloo_shu | seen at times, but not eminently prominent, I mean, far from 99% |
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| 01:53.59 | xulf | like 5 years ago it seemed like 90% |
| 01:55.06 | xulf | it creeped me out how much he knew |
| 01:55.48 | bazhang | he is still the genius, but even geniuses have lives |
| 01:55.48 | themill | So, umm, back to debian user support rather than stalking ⦠|
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| 01:57.23 | aloo_shu | better than folks like me telling you to reboot 3x and tell if the problem persits |
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| 01:58.26 | dudz | does anyone do uptime stats anymore? |
| 01:58.35 | dudz | i remember it was a big thing when i was a kid |
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| 01:59.01 | aloo_shu | persists |
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| 02:00.41 | aloo_shu | or #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:12.12 | Photon | (it's certbot) |
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| 02:27.52 | BitNebula | Hello, I completed the install of Debian on my new asus rog strix laptop, with came with Windows. I purchased a new m.2 ssd to use for my linux install, and turned off secure boot. I also installed GRUB through the Debian installer. However, once the install completes and I restart the BIOS is not finding a bootable device, even though 2 ordinary USBS (one with the debian image and the other with firmware) show up in the BIOS |
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| 02:29.29 | Photon | Are they marked as bootable? |
| 02:29.47 | BitNebula | There was some option about UEFI during the install and I selected no |
| 02:30.10 | BitNebula | Photon, hmm I'm not sure. But I am more trying to figure out how to get my OS to boot instead of whether those are marked bootable |
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| 02:35.20 | TrapMaid | so is it just not possible to install catalyst on stretch? |
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| 02:35.48 | bazhang | TrapMaid, for fglrx? |
| 02:36.10 | TrapMaid | yeah. the guides on the debian wiki stop at jessie |
| 02:36.46 | bazhang | TrapMaid, its amdgpu nowadays, and the list is not long on cards supported |
| 02:37.11 | bazhang | catlyst was never good, nor was fglrx, for any OS |
| 02:37.42 | BitNebula | Is there a way I can check from the debian installer if GRUB is installed on my ssd? |
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| 02:37.49 | TrapMaid | Radeon HD 6570 is what i've got FWIW. |
| 02:38.29 | BitNebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.31 | bazhang | TrapMaid, so a check on supprted by amdgpu yields what |
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| 02:39.33 | ghost-287 | to install wine ... apt install { wine32? wine64? wine? } |
| 02:39.37 | TrapMaid | not a clue searchign the wiki for that package didn't return anything. |
| 02:40.08 | bazhang | TrapMaid, its on the amd website |
| 02:40.30 | bazhang | ,v amdgpu |
| 02:40.31 | judd | No package named 'amdgpu' was found in amd64. |
| 02:41.14 | bazhang | ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 02:41.15 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.2.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster: 1.3.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-1 |
| 02:41.39 | TrapMaid | k, so how do i find compatible cards? |
| 02:41.56 | TrapMaid | err wait that's mentioning jessie not stretch? |
| 02:42.02 | jim | hi... looking at the Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide, at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en, with a copyright message that reads "Copyright © 2004 â 2017 the Debian Installer team", in section 8.6 which advocates the package kernel-package with its script make-kpkg to build the kernel. |
| 02:42.26 | bazhang | jessie-backports TrapMaid |
| 02:43.00 | jim | My question is, is this the method currently recommended, and is it the method used by debian kernel maints to build the kernel? |
| 02:43.06 | TrapMaid | so jessie-backports applies to stretch not to jessie? that's just confusing. |
| 02:43.14 | bazhang | TrapMaid, 'cards supported by amdgpu' |
| 02:43.20 | BitNebula | Got it fixed, had to enable CSM |
| 02:43.24 | bazhang | thats the top hit |
| 02:44.00 | bazhang | stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; TrapMaid |
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| 02:44.43 | bazhang | TrapMaid, you wanted it for jessie or stretch |
| 02:45.08 | TrapMaid | stretch |
| 02:45.34 | bazhang | TrapMaid, then see the stretch listing I just posted |
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| 02:46.01 | Photon | So anyone have a solution |
| 02:46.15 | TrapMaid | ohh i see. the second line has stretch and buster and sid, wahtever those two are. |
| 02:46.35 | bazhang | TrapMaid, version of debian |
| 02:47.24 | TrapMaid | ...it says set to manually installed. that's odd. someone was telling me that I would ahve the free software not the proprietary one... |
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| 02:49.08 | TrapMaid | hrm if this is the prop one and i do already have it i can't figure out how to call up the config panel... |
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| 03:12.54 | Photon | STILL working on this one command ssl step |
| 03:12.57 | Photon | oops |
| 03:13.05 | Photon | Wrong window but still, ^ |
| 03:13.10 | Arahael | *sigh*, so service --status-all reports some on stdout, and some on stderr. :( |
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| 03:29.06 | evilbug | anyone know of an automated way to keep standard firefox up to date automatically? |
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| 03:36.36 | adelyne | evilbug, what versions of debian and of firefox are you using? |
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| 03:41.25 | somiaj | I think newer firefoxes offer that if you install it in $HOME so the user can write to the binary. |
| 03:41.39 | evilbug | deb 9 and i want to run ff beta. |
| 03:42.00 | evilbug | so far as i can see the only solution is to manually dump the tar each time an update comes along. |
| 03:42.11 | evilbug | in that bad boy /usr/local/bin |
| 03:42.34 | somiaj | evilbug: do you have multiple users who need to use this binary? |
| 03:42.51 | evilbug | no. |
| 03:43.00 | evilbug | i'm only running deb on my dev vms. |
| 03:43.08 | somiaj | just put it in $HOME/bin and I belive since your user can now write to it, the auto update feature should work |
| 03:44.03 | evilbug | that's not a bad idea, let me see. |
| 03:44.22 | adelyne | can confirm somiaj's post |
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| 03:47.02 | evilbug | nah, update still sends me to the firefox site. |
| 03:48.03 | evilbug | irl it's not the biggest deal since i use chrome for dev. |
| 03:48.09 | evilbug | somiaj: thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 03:51.53 | adelyne | well the developper edition does auto-update |
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| 03:54.05 | evilbug | :( |
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| 03:54.20 | evilbug | that's cool, not a deal breaker. |
| 03:55.06 | somiaj | sure you are running the binary in $HOME and your user can write to it? You may need to go double check the options to enablue autoupdate |
| 03:55.08 | evilbug | you guys use deb as your primary os? |
| 03:55.29 | evilbug | yeah, ~/bin/firefox |
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| 03:56.43 | Sveta | yes I use debian as my main OS on laptop and a vps |
| 03:57.47 | evilbug | Sveta: have you had any sleep issues on the laptop? |
| 03:58.33 | somiaj | suspend works fine on my laptop and desktop. Though I don't use hibernate |
| 03:58.34 | Sveta | only when i use kde; after resume from sleep or hibernate, networking is gone |
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| 03:58.59 | Sveta | sorry, rather: after resume from sleep or hibernate, networking is gone - and kde happens to have a button for this, so i encountered it with kde the first time |
| 03:59.05 | Sveta | before that, i simply didn't hibernate or sleep |
| 03:59.23 | Dr_Coke | Sveta, you should try xfce |
| 03:59.26 | evilbug | Sveta: you just ran 24/7? |
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| 03:59.41 | Sveta | yes, or shut down |
| 03:59.54 | evilbug | somiaj: yeah, been running debian off a usb stick and sleep was great. I had no issues. |
| 03:59.55 | Sveta | mostly 24/7 though because i am not very wise about electricity bills |
| 04:00.02 | evilbug | Sveta: loool nice :) |
| 04:00.07 | Sveta | and the pc isn't in the bedroom so its noise isn't a big trouble |
| 04:00.14 | Dr_Coke | Sveta, at least you can afford the electricity |
| 04:00.31 | Sveta | yes, but i can't afford you |
| 04:00.38 | Dr_Coke | or I hope you can |
| 04:00.50 | Dr_Coke | Sveta, you can afford me |
| 04:00.51 | evilbug | uh oh |
| 04:00.56 | AlexLikeRock | Mmmm. Coke ! |
| 04:01.02 | AlexLikeRock | are u cold ? |
| 04:01.05 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 04:01.07 | evilbug | whisper sweet nothings into his ear. |
| 04:01.12 | cheapie | The best part about that approach is you get stuff like this: 04:01:05 up 427 days, 3:55, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
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| 04:01.35 | Dr_Coke | Sveta is still angry at me evilbug |
| 04:01.45 | evilbug | i would be too. |
| 04:01.47 | cheapie | I should probably reboot that thing one of these days. Maybe next year? :P |
| 04:01.48 | somiaj | we should try to keep conversation mostly on topic. |
| 04:01.53 | evilbug | Dr_Coke: you don't share. |
| 04:02.10 | evilbug | DEBIAN GNU/LINUX |
| 04:02.13 | Dr_Coke | evilbug, what am I not sharing |
| 04:03.00 | evilbug | Dr_Coke: ... nevermind :) |
| 04:03.11 | Dr_Coke | Sveta, when are you truly going to forgive me |
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| 04:03.46 | evilbug | i've noticed 9 is much snappier than 8. is it just me? |
| 04:04.04 | Dr_Coke | I don't know but I am loving 9 |
| 04:04.10 | Dr_Coke | and xfce |
| 04:04.29 | evilbug | xfce is ok. |
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| 04:04.48 | evilbug | in terms of a fuller desktop experience i can't deny gnome. |
| 04:04.51 | Dr_Coke | what do you use evilbug |
| 04:04.55 | Dr_Coke | oh gnome |
| 04:05.10 | evilbug | though i wish solus got their shit together. that de is dope af. |
| 04:05.49 | evilbug | Dr_Coke: i do appreciate xfce but for a modern desktop experience it's been pretty clunky for me. |
| 04:05.58 | Dr_Coke | I wish more commerical software would become available on linux |
| 04:06.09 | evilbug | lol, tell me about it. |
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| 04:06.28 | evilbug | it's why i still have to run windows. and i'm not going back to apple for computers. |
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| 04:06.52 | Dr_Coke | yeah gnome is nice but it's layout isn't the same as mac os which i think it should be |
| 04:07.06 | evilbug | layout in terms of what? |
| 04:07.29 | Dr_Coke | you know how mac os has the file edit etc menu on top |
| 04:07.33 | Dr_Coke | and the dock on bottom |
| 04:07.38 | evilbug | right. |
| 04:07.49 | Dr_Coke | and it automatically switches into the program you run |
| 04:07.53 | Dr_Coke | at the top |
| 04:08.23 | Dr_Coke | when i tried to dock the sidebar at the bottom and make changes i found it wasn't stable |
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| 04:08.51 | evilbug | you know it's funny you say that. |
| 04:09.05 | Dr_Coke | at least it wasn't on ubuntu |
| 04:09.12 | Dr_Coke | or whatever I was using |
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| 04:09.13 | evilbug | i always had the dock set to hide and after i started using cmd+space i had no use for the dock really. |
| 04:09.32 | Dr_Coke | oh |
| 04:09.57 | evilbug | so in windows and gnome i just hit the windows key and pull up the app i need by typing. |
| 04:09.58 | Dr_Coke | I made a lot of changes to get it to look like windows with a taskbar once |
| 04:10.05 | Dr_Coke | and gnome really didn't like it |
| 04:10.16 | Dr_Coke | like how the new ubuntu is supposed to look |
| 04:11.05 | evilbug | i really don't mind how gnome works because, again, that windows key lets me search for apps :) |
| 04:11.15 | Dr_Coke | ahh |
| 04:11.22 | evilbug | but gnome is nice that i get system sounds! |
| 04:11.26 | Dr_Coke | that windows key on my new keyboard says coolermaster |
| 04:11.38 | evilbug | mine is the das keyboard logo ;) |
| 04:11.46 | Dr_Coke | oh |
| 04:12.30 | Dr_Coke | evilbug, I don't think Sveta is ever going to forgive me |
| 04:12.46 | evilbug | Dr_Coke: you two should get a room and "work it out". |
| 04:13.14 | evilbug | you know, melted chocolate, rose petals, dom perignon and/or miller lite. |
| 04:13.20 | Dr_Coke | she won't talk to me anymore in pm |
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| 04:14.10 | evilbug | sounds like my ex gf. |
| 04:14.32 | evilbug | she only talked to me in pm only after "donating". |
| 04:14.39 | Dr_Coke | lol |
| 04:15.31 | evilbug | oh well, life goes on. |
| 04:15.39 | Dr_Coke | what do you mean donating though |
| 04:16.00 | Dr_Coke | money or something else? |
| 04:16.10 | evilbug | ... |
| 04:16.12 | evilbug | really? |
| 04:16.14 | evilbug | smh |
| 04:16.22 | Dr_Coke | sorry |
| 04:16.39 | evilbug | it was a joke about my "ex" being a cam girl! ^^ |
| 04:16.47 | Dr_Coke | oh right |
| 04:16.54 | Dr_Coke | now I got you |
| 04:17.32 | evilbug | ya... |
| 04:17.39 | evilbug | you're not invited to my birthday party. |
| 04:17.46 | Dr_Coke | lol |
| 04:18.05 | Dr_Coke | It's ok I'm getting acustomed to that I wasn't invited to svetas either |
| 04:18.14 | evilbug | does someone have a crush? |
| 04:18.18 | Dr_Coke | lol |
| 04:18.34 | evilbug | Sveta: can i pm you so we can talk smack about Dr_Coke? |
| 04:18.46 | evilbug | let's gossip! |
| 04:19.37 | evilbug | irl i was trying to decide between debian and freebsd while reinstalling my vms today. |
| 04:25.46 | Dr_Coke | evilbug, check this out |
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| 04:25.59 | Dr_Coke | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8DG01q73Nw&list=RDo8DG01q73Nw&t=114 |
| 04:26.27 | evilbug | Dr_Coke: yeah, not available in my country. |
| 04:26.42 | evilbug | motherf... |
| 04:28.26 | Dr_Coke | lol serious what country are you in? |
| 04:28.38 | evilbug | the american land of usa. |
| 04:28.52 | Dr_Coke | oh really this guy in american |
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| 04:29.01 | Dr_Coke | is |
| 04:29.24 | evilbug | i know bill burr, i used to watch his standup. |
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| 04:51.53 | __[0_0]__ | then he just started sitting down, it went downhill. |
| 04:52.06 | __[0_0]__ | scurries away |
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| 04:59.47 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 04:59.50 | jak2000 | ip addr show |
| 04:59.53 | jak2000 | give me this: |
| 05:00.04 | jak2000 | 1: lo: |
| 05:00.11 | jak2000 | 2: ens18 |
| 05:00.22 | jak2000 | i understand my 'eth0' is ens18 right? |
| 05:00.37 | evilbug | yeah. |
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| 05:09.51 | jak2000 | evilbug: i configures my sources.list |
| 05:10.02 | jak2000 | as dpkg recommended i use version 9 (stretch) |
| 05:10.15 | jak2000 | vut i cant do a apt update see please: https://postimg.org/image/78ew5dfph/ |
| 05:10.18 | evilbug | i don't know what that means and why it would say that just for ip addr. |
| 05:10.41 | jak2000 | cant paste text because is a initial configuration |
| 05:13.42 | jak2000 | evilbug see please the image |
| 05:14.21 | evilbug | jak2000: if you google your issue it seems to be a proxy issue. |
| 05:17.37 | jak2000 | mmm ok then tomorrow continue... |
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| 08:03.48 | pbase | hi how do i get back my old gnotes? |
| 08:04.18 | pbase | i have the backup of it in .gnote format. but current gnote version doesnt offer an import option |
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| 08:15.15 | petn-randall | pbase: From which version to which version did you upgrade? |
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| 08:20.54 | pbase | petn-randall, <note version="0.3"> / <note-content version="0.1">. now using stretch |
| 08:21.10 | pbase | latest repository version on stretch |
| 08:21.48 | pbase | petn-randall, currently gnote version is i guess - 3.22.1 |
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| 08:22.45 | pbase | i was browsing through my backup data when i found this |
| 08:23.35 | petn-randall | pbase: I see. So your previous version was the one is jessie? 0.3 or 0.1 seem, from looking at the changelog, to be from 2009. |
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| 08:24.54 | pbase | petn-randall, Monday 02 September 2013 seems to be the modification date. i guess it was used then. cant recall exactly |
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| 08:27.01 | jim | pbase, could you... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:27.46 | pbase | jim, 9.1 |
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| 08:28.01 | jim | oh ok, you're running stretch |
| 08:28.15 | pbase | jim, yes, i said that above |
| 08:28.29 | jim | oh sorry, didn't see that :) |
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| 08:32.42 | inviz | I want only number, something like apt --list upgradable | wc -l even with tail -n 1 it does not work |
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| 08:38.18 | petn-randall | inviz: Your error might be that 'apt --list upgradable' throws an error because those parameters don't exist. |
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| 08:38.35 | petn-randall | You probably want 'apt list --upgradable'. |
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| 08:39.01 | inviz | petn-randall: true my typo. but I think warning cannot be suppresed from apt itself as it is not intended to use in scripts |
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| 08:39.54 | petn-randall | inviz: You shouldn't use it in scripts, as this might change without warning. However, you can simply redirect the STDERR output to /dev/null, like this: apt list --upgradable 2>/dev/null | wc -l |
| 08:40.43 | inviz | petn-randall: thanks that helped |
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| 10:20.36 | Nawab | hello |
| 10:20.38 | Nawab | guys |
| 10:21.18 | OtakuSenpai | it seems tht i cant recall my root password |
| 10:21.56 | OtakuSenpai | probably due to somedays of not maintaining my laptop |
| 10:22.10 | OtakuSenpai | is there an easy way to recover or somehow "see" it? |
| 10:22.12 | OtakuSenpai | pls |
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| 10:23.01 | celyr | OtakuSenpai, you can change it |
| 10:23.09 | OtakuSenpai | how? |
| 10:23.11 | celyr | init=/bin/bash and nano /etc/shadow |
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| 10:23.18 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 10:23.27 | OtakuSenpai | will i hav to make a script? |
| 10:23.43 | celyr | OtakuSenpai, no just reboot the system and use as init /bin/bash |
| 10:23.50 | celyr | then edit shadow file |
| 10:23.55 | babilen | OtakuSenpai: You enter that as the kernel command line .. enter "e" in grub to edit it |
| 10:23.56 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 10:24.15 | OtakuSenpai | yes i know tht method...but i dont want to go tht hardcore |
| 10:24.19 | OtakuSenpai | ok ill try |
| 10:24.23 | celyr | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html |
| 10:24.28 | celyr | this is a decent manual |
| 10:24.33 | OtakuSenpai | ok thnx |
| 10:24.35 | OtakuSenpai | :D |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | dpkg: ifrp |
| 10:24.36 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:24.37 | celyr | OtakuSenpai, well if you have sudo access use sudo :D |
| 10:24.48 | OtakuSenpai | i havent setup sudo :P |
| 10:25.32 | celyr | i think that this is the easiest method |
| 10:25.38 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 11:35.45 | Nawab | ok guys |
| 11:35.52 | la-o-wai | what |
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| 11:36.14 | Nawab | i rebooted...went into grub screen...pressed 'e' |
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| 11:37.14 | Nawab | at the end of tht linux /boot/vm... i added |
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| 11:38.24 | Nawab | both -> "init="/bin/sh"" and 'init="/bin/sh"' |
| 11:38.31 | Nawab | both didnt work |
| 11:38.42 | Nawab | whats the correct one? pls |
| 11:38.45 | la-o-wai | with ""? |
| 11:38.50 | Nawab | idk |
| 11:39.04 | Nawab | i tried both |
| 11:40.04 | gpunk | init=/bin/sh |
| 11:40.08 | gpunk | no quotes |
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| 11:40.22 | la-o-wai | :S |
| 11:40.23 | Nawab | thnx |
| 11:40.26 | Nawab | ok |
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| 11:48.16 | Nawab | it didnt work |
| 11:48.21 | Nawab | ... |
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| 11:50.02 | Nawab | init=/bin/sh didnt work |
| 11:50.21 | sypher | What are you trying to do? |
| 11:50.36 | Nawab | change my root password from grub menu |
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| 11:50.56 | la-o-wai | what does it give |
| 11:51.19 | gpunk | Nawab: init=/bin/bash ? |
| 11:51.21 | Nawab | it gave me another chance to login to my gnome account -_- |
| 11:51.27 | Nawab | ok |
| 11:51.36 | la-o-wai | lol |
| 11:52.14 | sypher | gpunk: That wasn't helpful. If /bin/sh didn't work, bash won't. |
| 11:52.15 | la-o-wai | gpunk: why you tell him its /sh |
| 11:52.37 | la-o-wai | maybe he did it wrong |
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| 11:53.12 | sypher | Yeah, so let's figure out why /bin/sh didn't work instead of tossing around other stuff. |
| 11:53.18 | gpunk | he is doing it wrong, nothing to do with me |
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| 11:53.47 | sypher | gpunk: Then throwing other stuff around that he's also going to do wrong isn't going to help. Either know wtf you're doing or be quiet. |
| 11:53.57 | gpunk | fuck you |
| 11:54.04 | la-o-wai | at least he can use a second computer to sit here to ask |
| 11:54.12 | la-o-wai | or whatever he has |
| 11:54.31 | Iridos | oh, good vibrations⦠|
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| 11:56.05 | sypher | Strictly speaking, either /bin/sh or /bin/bash should work if you're entering it in the right place. |
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| 12:14.36 | tw | Somewhat tangent, does any modern install use LILO still? |
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| 12:15.14 | gpunk | tw: nope |
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| 12:18.29 | RoyK | tw: AFAIK it's grub2 all the way |
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| 12:23.01 | la-o-wai | grub it |
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| 12:24.17 | stan_du_78 | hey |
| 12:24.18 | stan_du_78 | :) |
| 12:24.22 | galex-713_ | Do anyone know a ics viewer with a per-week view? |
| 12:24.27 | galex-713_ | *ics reader |
| 12:24.37 | galex-713_ | or calendar software that reads ics or any open format |
| 12:25.07 | stan_du_78 | with google calendar |
| 12:25.11 | stan_du_78 | =) |
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| 12:26.15 | galex-713_ | oh sorry |
| 12:26.25 | galex-713_ | a *free* calendar software |
| 12:26.27 | galex-713_ | stan_du_78, ^ |
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| 12:26.58 | stan_du_78 | héhé |
| 12:27.24 | la-o-wai | how do you type that |
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| 12:27.51 | la-o-wai | é |
| 12:27.58 | stan_du_78 | https://fileinfo.com/extension/ics |
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| 12:28.20 | Johann | galex-713_: thunderbird |
| 12:28.58 | gpunk | maybe evolution too |
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| 12:29.03 | ks4 | Lightning in thunderbird has a per week view |
| 12:31.13 | ks4 | Probably by mistake I removed a lot of packets I used : https://pastebin.com/wATUGCsy . I do not remember why (perhaps when I purge nvidia packets ?). Do you think I can reinstall all of them except Do you the link between those packets ? |
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| 12:32.38 | vangelo | yes |
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| 12:35.20 | adelyne | ks4, I think it's cinnamon-desktop-environment |
| 12:35.38 | ks4 | * sorry I forgot a something in my question : Do you think I can reinstall them all except what those which have "nvidia" in their name? |
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| 12:37.22 | adelyne | don't know, if you can't then it must stem from a package you might not need or a metapackage which is only a convenience |
| 12:37.54 | ks4 | Ok, thank you. I will try to re-install the meta packet |
| 12:37.59 | adelyne | but I only see libraries with nvidia in their names, do you think they'll be a problem? |
| 12:38.12 | adelyne | they don't seem to be drivers for xorg |
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| 12:39.14 | ks4 | I don't need anymore nvida libraies or driver, I switched back to an ATI GPU |
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| 12:41.06 | ks4 | (my new nvidia card burned after 2 hours of use ...) |
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| 12:43.43 | tw | ks4: definitely go with the metapackage cinnamon-desktop-environment. If the rest don't reinstall, manually install only the ones that don't autoinstall, otherwise you'll mark everything as manually selected, which may become a problem if you try to switch DEs later on. |
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| 12:47.15 | ks4 | Ok, Thank you, i will do that |
| 12:48.22 | adelyne | having a few useless libraries around won't hurt you |
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| 12:52.08 | galex-713_ | Johann, thank you, yeah thunderbird worked actually, I was mistaken by the fact it has several interfaces for the same thing |
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| 12:54.12 | tw | when I simulate it, it's only 438 packages on my system and 900MB. It won't hurt, but it's annoying. |
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| 12:57.46 | boser | hello,i have a mystery problem: |
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| 12:58.35 | boser | i have a smartphone and zwei laptops online, both laptops with debian8 up-to-date. now, the problem... |
| 12:58.41 | ForceRecon | last few errors... can anyone elaborate on the ones NOT bluetooth - https://paste.debian.net/987824/ |
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| 13:00.00 | boser | when i go with cabel on my router, i get downloadrates from ~20Mb/s, with wlan i get only ~15Mb/s, with the smartphone i get ~20Mb/s. |
| 13:00.54 | boser | both laptops shown the same reaction. |
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| 13:01.40 | petn-randall | boser: and the mystery problem is ...? |
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| 13:02.27 | boser | why get i on wlan only 3/4 of the smartfone/cabke Download? |
| 13:02.35 | Nawab | i |
| 13:02.40 | Nawab | finally |
| 13:02.48 | Nawab | remembered |
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| 13:02.53 | Nawab | my password |
| 13:03.08 | Nawab | didnt hav to go the hardcore way :P |
| 13:03.40 | boser | why get i on wlan only 3/4 of the smartphone/cable Download? |
| 13:03.45 | petn-randall | boser: Can be a dozen reasons: 1) Your smartphone has a better antenna 2) Your laptops are further away 3) Your neighbour is using the microwave when you're testing the laptops. |
| 13:03.57 | petn-randall | |N|: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 13:04.19 | |N| | petn-randall: no im relieved of none |
| 13:04.24 | |N| | one* |
| 13:04.27 | |N| | :D |
| 13:04.54 | ForceRecon | its cable vs wif |
| 13:04.58 | ForceRecon | of course its slower |
| 13:05.11 | ForceRecon | your lucky its not half |
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| 13:05.17 | boser | Smartphone and Laptops are in a caravan, no Microwave around. |
| 13:05.18 | petn-randall | |N|: You probably wanted to write that in #debian-offtopic. :) |
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| 13:05.37 | |N| | yes ofc...im sorry |
| 13:05.58 | sypher | petn-randall: He was in here before asking for help to reset a forgotten root password. He was confirming that the issue was resolved. |
| 13:06.18 | boser | ForceRecon: the smartphone are working perfect in the same area. |
| 13:06.19 | petn-randall | boser: 4) Your smartphone's wifi supports WME, your laptops don't |
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| 13:06.27 | sypher | ForceRecon: Hey, not always. My WLAN at home is faster than gig eth. |
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| 13:07.24 | ForceRecon | not many people have wireless AC.. have to assume this is a normal POS router with gig or less.. |
| 13:07.40 | petn-randall | sypher: *only when there's no other wifi blocking the channel. |
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| 13:07.42 | rly | Is it possible to install Debian on a *generic* Linux machine in a chroot in a supported way? |
| 13:08.20 | boser | Can i do something again this unknown error? |
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| 13:08.49 | sypher | petn-randall: I have probably 20 other networks in the area. I can regularly hit ~1500 Mbit throughput internally. |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | rly: debootstrap ? |
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| 13:09.17 | abrotman | rly: there are a bunch of docs about setting up a chroot debian install (the DDs use them all the time) |
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| 13:09.32 | petn-randall | boser: This isn't really an error, wifi is by several orders of magnitude more unreliable than Ethernet. And 15Mb/s vs 20Mb/s is well within measurement fluctuations. |
| 13:09.34 | sypher | boser: We're not really seeing an "error" in what you're describing. |
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| 13:09.42 | sypher | boser: What petn-randall said. |
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| 13:10.50 | boser | ok, thx for answer me. :-) |
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| 13:11.35 | rly | Is it possible to run GUI programs via docker? E.g. run a Debian version of IntelliJ on Gentoo (random distro I am not actually running)? |
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| 13:13.36 | rly | abrotman: debootstrap seems to work thusfar. |
| 13:14.01 | ks4 | rly: Yes It's possible, I used a MS Office install in a docker (but I did'nt make the docker so I can't help you more) |
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| 13:19.40 | rly | abrotman: chroot /stable/chroot /bin/bash <press enter>dselect <returns that dselect cannot be found> |
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| 13:20.30 | rly | abrotman: base system was installed succesfully according to debootstrap. |
| 13:20.44 | rly | I don't really get what the point is of writing down something when it's wrong. |
| 13:21.06 | rly | I followed the stable instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap. |
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| 13:21.37 | rly | stable-chroot * (but same applies) |
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| 13:23.37 | rly | Not even "env" is found. |
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| 13:30.44 | petn-randall | boser: 5) It might also be possible that your smartphone supports higher data rates than your two laptops. I'm still coming up with new ideas ;) |
| 13:31.51 | sypher | petn-randall: I've seen it happen. |
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| 13:32.38 | tsuyubo | hello, all |
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| 13:33.30 | tsuyubo | I have installed debian-iso with virt-install and shutdown from VMs, however, |
| 13:33.59 | tsuyubo | how to start it from virsh command? |
| 13:34.14 | rly | abrotman: it seems the PATH is just completely wrong, which can be fixed. |
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| 13:35.04 | tsuyubo | i try it with: virsh start MY-VMs, |
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| 13:36.25 | boser | petn-randall: it is so frustried, some time i get my 20 Mb/s an Laptop-Wlan, and than in the next only 15 Mb/s. |
| 13:37.19 | petn-randall | boser: Sounds like you want to use Ethernet for that 25% boost. |
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| 13:39.21 | boser | when i watch YT, than i will switch to cable-INET. :-) |
| 13:39.31 | rly | How am I supposed to install anything from this chroot? E.g. apt-get is not there, dpkg is nowhere to be found. |
| 13:42.09 | petn-randall | rly: Sounds like you have to pass the right parameters to debootstrap to install those things. |
| 13:43.13 | rly | petn-randall: I am pretty sure that apt-get/dpkg are standard. I.e., on Debian you would get those. |
| 13:43.27 | rly | petn-randall: so, the debootstrap tool is just not compatible with Linux in general. |
| 13:43.30 | rly | I.e., not portable. |
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| 13:44.08 | rly | petn-randall: https://debian-administration.org/article/426/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap supports what I am saying. |
| 13:44.40 | rly | petn-randall: as well as https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap under the sid section. |
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| 13:54.03 | rly | petn-randall: OK, I now understand the real problem. |
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| 13:55.14 | petn-randall | rly: They might be "standard", but they're not "essential". So you won't get them in a chroot if you don't ask for them. |
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| 13:55.24 | rly | petn-randall: your statement is false. |
| 13:55.33 | petn-randall | rly: That article is > 10 years old, btw, so it might not be accurate. |
| 13:55.40 | tw | I think if you specify --variant=minbase stretch you will get them. |
| 13:55.47 | rly | petn-randall: I understand, but I know for a fact you are wrong. |
| 13:55.58 | rly | petn-randall: do you want me to explain what I was doing wrong? |
| 13:56.38 | petn-randall | rly: How am I wrong? Please explain. |
| 13:56.50 | rly | petn-randall: your claim is that apt-get is not installed by default. |
| 13:56.56 | petn-randall | # apt-cache show apt | grep Priority |
| 13:56.56 | petn-randall | Priority: important |
| 13:56.59 | rly | petn-randall: when installing stable via debootstrap. |
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| 13:57.22 | rly | petn-randall: my claim is that it is. |
| 13:57.37 | rly | petn-randall: feel free to look in /usr/bin/apt-get in your chroot to verify. |
| 13:57.50 | petn-randall | rly: Yet your experience showed you otherwise? |
| 13:58.07 | petn-randall | dpkg is required, btw |
| 13:58.07 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, petn-randall |
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| 13:58.36 | rly | petn-randall: no, I thought (and this my mistake), that it was in /sbin or /bin. Only after I had set the complete PATH to Debian default, it magically started to work. |
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| 13:59.08 | rly | Has apt-get been optimized/rewritten? |
| 13:59.18 | rly | It suddenly doesn't ... suck anymore. |
| 13:59.45 | rly | Or at least, not as much as it did :) |
| 13:59.46 | petn-randall | rly: --variant=minbase does install apt, but that still doesn't make it an essential package. Not that "essential" is an actual package field. |
| 13:59.52 | petn-randall | s/Not/Note/ |
| 14:00.12 | rly | petn-randall: the context of the conversation was defined. |
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| 14:00.37 | rly | petn-randall: the fact that you are now bringing up irrelevant, but true statements, doesn't mean you were not wrong earlier. |
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| 14:04.10 | tw | I don't think you can debootstrap without apt/dpkg unless you explicitly --exclude them with --exclude. Multistrap will happily let you burn your house to the ground if you want, though. |
| 14:04.27 | tw | bleh, s/--// |
| 14:04.49 | Brigo | tw, did you build the container? |
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| 14:06.14 | rly | tw: petn-randall was just demonstrating that he has issues with accepting to have made a mistake. |
| 14:06.40 | tsuyubo | hello, i am sorry if i bring some notice |
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| 14:07.02 | Brigo | tw, sorry, the questios is for rly, i think ... |
| 14:07.06 | tsuyubo | but i disconnect before, |
| 14:07.53 | rly | Brigo: I am trying a couple of things at the same time, one of which is using docker, but I'd prefer a chroot based system. |
| 14:08.03 | tsuyubo | i have installed VMs with virt-install command, but i shutdown from my vms |
| 14:08.23 | rly | Brigo: currently connecting to X crashes the xclient, but that's likely an X permission error. |
| 14:08.27 | tsuyubo | how to srart it again so that l can log in? |
| 14:09.38 | Brigo | rly, if you are using a chroot, i hope you are using lxc. If you want to connect to X from the container you need the right permissions. |
| 14:10.10 | rly | Brigo: why should I use lxc over a normal chroot? |
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| 14:10.35 | rly | Brigo: I am not that interested in isolation, or whatever. |
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| 14:10.52 | Brigo | rly, it's easier. |
| 14:11.00 | Brigo | almost automatic. |
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| 14:11.14 | Brigo | and more fail-proof. |
| 14:11.15 | rly | Brigo: if you want to point me at a resource, please do, but otherwise I will just do it myself. |
| 14:11.42 | Brigo | rly, just install lxc package, it is really just and interface to the kernel. |
| 14:12.09 | Brigo | you can create a container just with one line like lcx -create --t debian etc |
| 14:12.24 | rly | Brigo: ok, and then I can also run kedit? |
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| 14:12.47 | Brigo | rly, you still will need to configure the container with the right permissions. |
| 14:12.50 | rly | Brigo: because apparently the chroot's version can't access X, despite xhost +localhost. |
| 14:12.56 | Brigo | not easy last time i checked. |
| 14:13.19 | Brigo | rly, you need direct hardware access, if i got that right. |
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| 14:13.44 | Brigo | there is a wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 14:14.45 | Brigo | you can create a container with: lxc-create -n <name> -t debian -- -r jessie (from that wiki) |
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| 14:15.08 | Brigo | that wiki is a bit out of date. |
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| 14:21.50 | dziegler | Hi, can i run curl via the debian/rules file inside of pbuilder? Looks like all network settings are disable in pbuilder. If i try this step by step using "pbuilder-dist jessie login" it is working |
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| 14:30.00 | petn-randall | dziegler: That's because retrieving data for building over the network is a huge bug. You should be shipping everything you need in your source tarball. |
| 14:32.05 | dziegler | petn-randall: I tried this, but the problem is some dependencies are only fulfilled inside of the pbuilder, like php5 for example. The build server itself only has php7 |
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| 14:33.03 | petn-randall | dziegler: Why would you need to curl those dependencies? |
| 14:33.10 | sillyshell | hi, I installed a ssh server not too long ago without the need for a key |
| 14:33.42 | sillyshell | (here it comes) my password was a mixed symbol, lowercase, highercase and numerical password |
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| 14:34.00 | sillyshell | of 11 chars |
| 14:34.15 | sillyshell | is there a possibility someone breached it? |
| 14:34.23 | Brigo | sillyshell, of course |
| 14:34.27 | petn-randall | sillyshell: Better ask your real question. |
| 14:34.38 | Brigo | with enought time and computer power. |
| 14:34.47 | sillyshell | Brigo: yeah but.. come on |
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| 14:35.04 | petn-randall | sillyshell: Well, was it breached? |
| 14:35.09 | sillyshell | I think so |
| 14:35.18 | petn-randall | Then you've answered it yourself. |
| 14:35.18 | Brigo | then i was right. |
| 14:35.19 | dziegler | sillyshell: what is your question? |
| 14:35.19 | sillyshell | it's up and my access is being denied |
| 14:35.26 | sillyshell | what are my options |
| 14:35.34 | Brigo | talk with the admin |
| 14:35.40 | sillyshell | I am the admin |
| 14:35.45 | dziegler | sillyshell: do you use root@? |
| 14:35.48 | sillyshell | no |
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| 14:35.58 | petn-randall | sillyshell: different keyboard layout? caps lock? |
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| 14:36.04 | at0m | is there a control panel if the machine is in a data center? |
| 14:36.05 | sillyshell | nope petn-randall |
| 14:36.20 | petemc | sillyshell: type the password into a text file, cut n paste it |
| 14:36.22 | sillyshell | no at0m |
| 14:36.42 | sillyshell | petemc: doesn't work |
| 14:36.45 | at0m | petemc, sillyshell don't paste here, i assume? |
| 14:37.04 | dziegler | petn-randall: I try to package a PHP project which is using composer to download php dependencies. So composer will download php5 versions if you are on php5 and php7 versions if you are on php7. This is why i like to run composer inside of pbuilder, and this will create curl requests... |
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| 14:37.07 | petemc | pasting passwords into the channel would indeed be silly |
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| 14:37.19 | at0m | petemc: just to be clear about that =) |
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| 14:38.03 | sillyshell | I guess I should pull the plug |
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| 14:38.35 | petn-randall | dziegler: I see. Look into 'man pbuilder', there's a --use-network option. |
| 14:38.53 | dziegler | sillyshell: try if your login works with the remote console (can be requested by your hoster in most cases) if this also not work, reinstall :) |
| 14:39.03 | at0m | sillyshell: you have physical access? is it behind your router/firewall? can you MAC-block it for now? |
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| 14:39.21 | petn-randall | dziegler: JFTR, network access during build is still considered bad practice, but depending on your goal it might be ok. For inclusion in Debian it isn't, though. |
| 14:39.30 | sillyshell | dziegler at0m I do have physical access |
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| 14:39.53 | sillyshell | I tried accessing my provider's mac options but they're having trouble right now :/ |
| 14:40.06 | petn-randall | dziegler: The problem with downloading dependencies during build is that you have no way of verifying what happened. The remote server might have been infected during build, and you wouldn't be able to debug it. |
| 14:40.09 | sillyshell | the trouble is most likely not related since I could ping the ssh server |
| 14:40.17 | dziegler | petn-randall: hm, my man page of pbuilder have 0 matches for network :D |
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| 14:40.26 | petn-randall | dziegler: which release are you on? |
| 14:40.46 | petn-randall | dziegler: OS release that is |
| 14:40.48 | sillyshell | I did close the port, but that won't help much if they have a reverse shell installed does it |
| 14:40.49 | dziegler | Ubuntu Xenial - |
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| 14:40.58 | petn-randall | dziegler: Then ask in #ubuntu, I guess ... |
| 14:40.59 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 14:41.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 14:41.04 | at0m | sillyshell: i'd MAC-block it for now, in case you got blocked by fail2ban or some other temporary access restriction. are you sure you used right pass? |
| 14:41.16 | Brigo | sillyshell, they could get control of your server using some hole, it not have to be the root password. |
| 14:41.28 | at0m | sillyshell: in case of temp access restriction, that can be lifted in x time |
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| 14:42.16 | sillyshell | I'm going to the building in a couple of hours to see if I have local range access |
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| 14:43.10 | sillyshell | but yeah, mac is not an option because the provider has just decided to change their fancy new webpage and it's all bugged and giving errors |
| 14:43.42 | at0m | if you do not regain access in some hours, pulling the plug is not needed: you can shutdown using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses |
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| 14:44.26 | at0m | if you can attach a (usb or PS2) keyb, at least |
| 14:44.31 | sillyshell | at0m: yeah, I used REISUB a couple of times on my desktop in the past :D |
| 14:44.39 | at0m | great |
| 14:44.50 | sillyshell | "Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken" hah |
| 14:45.03 | Brigo | sillyshell, do you have backups? |
| 14:45.21 | at0m | better than to waste a harddisk by pulling the plug =) |
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| 14:45.54 | sillyshell | Brigo: My answer to that question has the sole purpose of entertainment, doesn't it? |
| 14:46.25 | Brigo | sillyshell, i am worried, just it :) |
| 14:46.26 | petn-randall | sillyshell: Only if the answer is "no". |
| 14:46.27 | at0m | reads that as a "no" |
| 14:46.30 | at0m | :D |
| 14:47.01 | petn-randall | sillyshell: At least you seem to have gallow's humour :) |
| 14:47.19 | petn-randall | s/'// |
| 14:47.57 | sillyshell | petn-randall: there are worse things in life |
| 14:48.22 | Brigo | yes, lost the backups too. |
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| 14:54.25 | sillyshell | I believe in the natural law that says "You only haven't made a backup when you need it" |
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| 14:55.41 | gr8 | hi, I need to install OpenSSL 1.0 (and dev packages) on Debian for compatibility reasons. How can I do it? |
| 14:56.39 | dziegler | petn-randall: yep, looks like ubuntus pbuilder don't have any --use-network, frustrating |
| 14:57.21 | petn-randall | gr8: You could check which of the older releases has it, and install that. |
| 14:57.43 | eijebong | Hey, I'm trying to build a debian-installer net image with a 4.9 kernel. So far I got it to build/boot but the installer doesn't find enough kernel modules in jessie-backports/debian-installer and just stops. Should I not set USE_UDEBS_FROM=jessie-backports in the debian-installer config ? Should I compile the kernel myself and use local udebs to have all modules ? Would really appreciate some help on that =) |
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| 14:58.15 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 14:58.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-trunk-686 (4.13.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: |
| 14:58.16 | gr8 | petn-randall, older releases of what? |
| 14:58.17 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 14:58.30 | petn-randall | gr8: Older releases of Debian. |
| 14:58.47 | gr8 | you want me to install a second operating system just to have OpenSSL 1.0?? |
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| 14:59.01 | petn-randall | eijebong: What's your larger goal? Debian stretch comes with 4.9 by default. |
| 15:00.00 | eijebong | petn-randall: We have some soft that we didn't port to stretch yet but we want to install jessie on some machines on which the net adapter is only supported since linux 4.6 |
| 15:00.01 | petn-randall | gr8: Well, either install jessie, or build openssl from sources. |
| 15:01.05 | sillyshell | gr8 you could also get it from jessie backports, by adding it to the sources list |
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| 15:02.02 | sillyshell | gr8: beware of frankendebian |
| 15:02.28 | petn-randall | sillyshell: I'm 99% sure that will break the system. |
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| 15:04.01 | sillyshell | petn-randall: if it aint broke, fix it until it is |
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| 15:04.21 | gr8 | would installing something from backports remove my current openssl version? |
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| 15:04.42 | petn-randall | gr8: No, it wouldn't even work, since you'd have to downgrade openssl. |
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| 15:05.04 | petn-randall | gr8: And downgrading to jessie's openssl would break a few dozen packages on stretch. |
| 15:05.10 | gr8 | is there no way to install both versions via the package manager? |
| 15:05.14 | gr8 | in parallel, that is |
| 15:05.16 | petn-randall | gr8: Again, no. |
| 15:05.20 | gr8 | -,- |
| 15:05.29 | gr8 | ok I'll try to build from source then, thanks |
| 15:05.58 | petn-randall | gr8: What do you need openssl 1.0 for, btw? |
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| 15:06.12 | sillyshell | pentesting? :s |
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| 15:29.09 | potatoes_ | do any repos exist for opencv-nonfree on Debian |
| 15:29.15 | potatoes_ | as they do on Ubuntu? |
| 15:29.31 | eijebong | So petn-randall, no idea about my problem ? :/ |
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| 15:40.58 | at0m | ,v python-opencv |
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| 15:41.19 | at0m | potatoes_: i don't see the nonfree though |
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| 15:52.47 | jhutchins | eijebong: Install jessie, then upgrade the kernel. |
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| 15:54.09 | memo1 | hi, im executing a script on boot (on /etc/rc.local), but i want to know the status of the script, like service script status |
| 15:54.14 | memo1 | how i do that? |
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| 15:55.40 | teraflops | memo1: setup your script for doing so |
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| 15:57.01 | jhutchins | memo1: Have the script write a status file somewhere. |
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| 15:57.19 | jhutchins | memo1: If it's not a daemon that's always running in the background there is no status. |
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| 15:59.21 | memo1 | teraflops jhutchins thank you. Is a python script that have a while loop, so it runs forever. How i setup this script to be able to run service script status? |
| 15:59.54 | teraflops | using python |
| 16:00.10 | teraflops | it's up to you. is your script |
| 16:00.21 | teraflops | it's^ |
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| 16:00.42 | teraflops | maybe ask in #python |
| 16:00.54 | memo1 | teraflops: i though saving the script in some location it automatically chech the status |
| 16:01.14 | teraflops | you'll have to parse it |
| 16:01.17 | teraflops | I guess |
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| 16:02.05 | teraflops | parse the output if you meant that |
| 16:02.23 | teraflops | but again you know your script |
| 16:03.04 | memo1 | teraflops: ok |
| 16:03.50 | memo1 | teraflops: if linux load the script automaticcaly (etc/local.rc) why cant tell me is the script is running? |
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| 16:04.11 | teraflops | yep |
| 16:04.56 | veek | memo1, echo something to /tmp |
| 16:05.00 | teraflops | but that's not the status. maybe is running but doing nothing or running but doing things wrong |
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| 16:11.52 | petn-randall | eijebong: No idea really, but maybe the channel knows an answer. |
| 16:12.20 | memo1 | x |
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| 16:13.32 | petn-randall | memo1: In this case I think you shouldn't be using /etc/rc.local at all, but write a service file for systemd instead. |
| 16:13.45 | petn-randall | (it's literally just a couple of lines) |
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| 16:35.02 | awal1 | no destination folder option for youtube-dl? |
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| 16:36.39 | towo-vm | why it should have? |
| 16:37.01 | jelly | awal1: -o can be templated |
| 16:38.06 | jelly | awal1: RTFM, there's an example under Format selection examples |
| 16:38.33 | awal1 | jelly, ok, let me check it |
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| 16:40.08 | jelly | disclaimer: have not tested that actually works |
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| 16:44.42 | awal1 | jelly, in fact I have seen that -o option before yet and I think I used it for tagging buut I don't understand how to use it for "destination", say "youtube-dl -x youtube-url -some-option ~/My-special-folder" |
| 16:45.17 | awal1 | towo-vm, well , I download a bunch of youtube playlists and I get lost |
| 16:45.36 | awal1 | specifying destinations will make stuff easier |
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| 16:53.25 | jelly | awal1: uh... youtube-dl 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0vBmiTr6o' -o '/mnt/video/%(title)s.f%(format_id)s.%(ext)s' |
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| 16:54.54 | dondelelcaro | or you can do things like (mkdir foo; cd foo; youtube-dl https://yourplaylist); if you just want them in a subdirectory |
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| 16:56.00 | dondelelcaro | actually, apparently the output template will also create directories |
| 16:56.57 | jelly | changing the current directory is for peasants! |
| 16:57.04 | cluelessperson | question, in enterprise environments, how do you setup UPSes for servers? |
| 16:57.28 | dondelelcaro | cluelessperson: in many enterprise environments, there's a data center wide UPS |
| 16:57.39 | jelly | in enterprise enviroments, there's a different company that sets up the datacenter infra for you |
| 16:57.48 | jelly | if you're lucky! |
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| 16:58.07 | jelly | if you're very lucky, they even set it up CORRECTLY |
| 16:58.28 | dondelelcaro | cluelessperson: but it ranges the gamut from "don't bother, because we have inter-site redundancy" to "every machine has their own battery, and everything runs off of 12V anyway" |
| 16:59.38 | jelly | somewhere in the middle, people bother with servers with redundant power supplies running off isolated UPSes with automatic failover to diesel |
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| 17:00.28 | petn-randall | has a dc nearby that can run several weeks without grid power. |
| 17:00.37 | petn-randall | In those cases you've got bigger problems, though ... :) |
| 17:01.58 | awal1 | jelly, dondelelcaro, thanks for your suggestions. I'll check them after dinner :P |
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| 17:03.21 | jelly | petn-randall: like the angry mob trying to siphon off your fuel? |
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| 17:07.35 | jhutchins_wk | Last datacenter I worked in all of the racks had two feeds from different power conditioner units, I don't remember if the UPS was part of the power units or per-rack. The site had two separate 14kv lines coming in from different directions, different power grids. We also had a generator. |
| 17:08.34 | jhutchins_wk | There's a two-story datacenter near the airport here - used to belong to TWA, then the company that handles tickets & reservations. The entire first floor was racks of batteries. |
| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_wk | It ran off the batteries full time, and the batteries continuously recharged from the grid. |
| 17:09.43 | jelly | is a battery of batteries called a metabattery |
| 17:09.44 | jhutchins_wk | As backup to that, there were three turbine generators (TWA had plenty of jet fuel). The _starter_ motors were V6 deisels. |
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| 17:10.22 | jhutchins_wk | They never tested it when I was there, but according to locals the whole building shook when they tested a generator. |
| 17:11.23 | jhutchins_wk | So ya, it varies. Depends on how much downtime costs you. |
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| 17:12.31 | jhutchins_wk | Then there was the datacenter where a dump truck with it's bed up took out all three "redundant" data feeds - which were strung on the same poles. |
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| 17:23.32 | ghost-287 | can someone please check if there is an apt package named : python3-pycrypto ? |
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| 17:24.04 | annadane | ,v python3-pycrypto |
| 17:24.06 | judd | No package named 'python3-pycrypto' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:25.12 | ghost-287 | ah ok, so here i can adjust my script to different distros and versions |
| 17:25.13 | ghost-287 | ty |
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| 17:27.12 | teraflops | ,v python-pycrypto |
| 17:27.13 | judd | No package named 'python-pycrypto' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:29.18 | memo1 | im creating a service /etc/systemd/system, but whe i execute systemctl enable script.service |
| 17:29.35 | memo1 | it shows Failed to executeoperation: Invalida argument |
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| 17:30.12 | petn-randall | memo1: Can you show us the unit file on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 17:33.09 | memo1 | petn-randall: paste.debian.net/987896 |
| 17:33.17 | memo1 | petn-randall: thank you |
| 17:33.56 | petn-randall | memo1: And what is the complete error you get? |
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| 17:35.35 | memo1 | petn-randall: Failed to execute operation: Invalid argument |
| 17:35.56 | memo1 | petn-randall: using xubuntu |
| 17:36.15 | petn-randall | memo1: Then you're in the wrong channel. |
| 17:36.17 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 17:36.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 17:36.37 | petn-randall | memo1: See above, their channel is #ubuntu. |
| 17:36.50 | memo1 | petn-randall: can you help me? |
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| 17:37.27 | petn-randall | memo1: No, I'm not in #ubuntu. |
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| 17:40.21 | AlexLikeRock | ubuntu = xubuntu petn-randall |
| 17:40.42 | annadane | AlexLikeRock, which is also not supported in #debian |
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| 17:41.07 | AlexLikeRock | exactly |
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| 17:43.13 | memo1 | petn-randall: thank you |
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| 17:45.24 | bn_ | is there any way to get apt-get to run in debug/verbose mode? I tried running it with -s and/or --print-uris but it doesn't seem to do anything. I am trying to determine the origin of an extraneous path component from the URIs that are being checked. I've already checked sources.list & mirrors but they don't reference this extra path component... |
| 17:45.44 | teraflops | memo1: the "go ask your distro relaed channel" for getting support, happens all the time (here and there) it's just we prefer support debian here, and I believe ubuntu has a nice support too |
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| 17:46.24 | teraflops | s/relaed/related |
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| 17:47.20 | bn_ | (also tried looking in the man pages of apt-get and apt.conf, the latter mentioned a few debug options at the end but didn't really mention much in regards to the URIs) |
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| 17:48.14 | awal1 | bn_ your exact issue? |
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| 17:54.21 | netzach | Hello |
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| 17:54.39 | netzach | if in a bash script I export an encironment variable, and then run another script, will that script see it as set or not? |
| 17:54.43 | netzach | thank you |
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| 17:55.00 | greycat | Yes, as long as you call script2 from script1. |
| 17:55.07 | greycat | Not ./script1; ./script2 |
| 17:55.08 | netzach | ok cool thank you |
| 17:55.11 | netzach | oh |
| 17:55.12 | netzach | hm |
| 17:55.26 | netzach | what is the difference? |
| 17:55.31 | nchambers | netzach: environment variables only exist for the duration of a program, and any child process/program launched by it |
| 17:55.32 | netzach | I see code that does it all in one line |
| 17:55.54 | netzach | oh right, you mean I can call ./script2 from inside script 1 ok |
| 17:55.54 | greycat | if you run ./script1; ./script2 then they are both children of your current interactive shell, and do not exist at the same time, and the variables set by script1 are gone by the time script2 starts. |
| 17:56.04 | netzach | yeah I know you have to do that eval thing I forgot the name |
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| 17:56.10 | netzach | to eval a file to put the envs in your current terminal |
| 17:56.14 | greycat | source, or . |
| 17:56.19 | netzach | yeah source I forgot |
| 17:56.24 | netzach | wait so when you do ./ you're sourcing? |
| 17:56.27 | greycat | no |
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| 17:56.43 | greycat | ". ./script1" would be sourcing |
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| 17:57.14 | greycat | ./script1 is just like /usr/local/bin/script1 -- you're specifying a directory path |
| 17:57.37 | DammitJim | not sure why I'm so confused.. I am upgrading a server and would like to give my customer the new ssh server key so that they don't have to accept it (they have automated systems that talk to it) |
| 17:57.53 | DammitJim | where do I get that key from? |
| 17:58.02 | greycat | If you mean the host keys, /etc/ssh/ |
| 17:58.13 | greycat | If you mean the keys stored within a user account, ~thatuser/.ssh/ |
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| 17:58.50 | netzach | you have to do ./ because if not it searches in $PATH but if it sees a string that can be interpreted as a path it follows that instead? |
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| 17:59.06 | greycat | netzach: specifically the slash character, yes. |
| 17:59.15 | bn_ | awal1: https://pastebin.com/zC8t4gKy provides a bit more color (note: /a/b exists), basically the "dists" in the 1st path component is the issue, where is that coming from? Q: does apt-get automatically append "dists" to every source? |
| 17:59.30 | netzach | I see makes sense, thank you |
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| 18:02.23 | bn_ | could apt-cache be the culprit? |
| 18:02.52 | awal1 | bn_, are you using example.com in your apt sources? |
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| 18:04.19 | awal1 | example.com in deban wiki is a false example |
| 18:04.32 | bn_ | for the purposes of the issue, yes (example.com is just the sanitized URL) |
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| 18:04.46 | awal1 | ah |
| 18:05.40 | greycat | if you use "apt-get --print-uris update" you can see how it transforms the contents of sources.list into URLs |
| 18:05.57 | greycat | assuming a working system |
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| 18:06.08 | netzach | I see the notation |
| 18:06.11 | netzach | var=foo ./script |
| 18:06.18 | netzach | as to set it before a script, inside another scripot |
| 18:06.20 | netzach | is this legit? |
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| 18:06.35 | nchambers | that sets an environment variable "var" equal to the value foo just for the duration of ./script |
| 18:06.38 | greycat | That sets the environment variable 'var' with the content 'foo' in the execution environment of ./script |
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| 18:07.16 | netzach | oh ok cool |
| 18:07.32 | netzach | wow you guys said basiclaly the same thing so fast |
| 18:07.33 | greycat | e.g. TZ=Pacific/Auckland date |
| 18:07.38 | awal1 | bn_, follow greycat, he kows better |
| 18:07.42 | awal1 | :P |
| 18:08.00 | bn_ | greycat: thanks, tried that but got the same output :( |
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| 18:08.40 | greycat | bn_: well as I said, do it from a *working* system with standard Debian sources, not your custom repository or whatever you're trying to do. |
| 18:09.09 | greycat | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/non-free/i18n/Translation-en.xz and so on |
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| 18:13.06 | DammitJim | greycat, would that be the ssh_host_rsa_key.pub? |
| 18:13.25 | greycat | All the host keys. |
| 18:13.48 | greycat | *_host_* most likley |
| 18:14.06 | bn_ | so something like "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ dists/ stretch/non-free"? |
| 18:14.24 | greycat | Do you see that in your sources.list? No. You do not. |
| 18:14.40 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
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| 18:15.36 | greycat | if you're trying to create your own private repository, there's probably a guide somewhere that says how to do it, what dirs to create, etc. |
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| 18:17.58 | N9NU-Pi | can someone tell me the package (any one) that will allow me to add users/groups as well as to enable shares for SMB |
| 18:18.05 | N9NU-Pi | a gui one |
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| 18:18.18 | bn_ | thanks. I'm not on a Debian system or have one nearby so I can't easily check. I'm not trying to create a private repo, just trying to figure out why it keeps trying to access to the wrong location, specifically the "dists" path part keeps throwing it off, and I don't know where it's coming from :/ |
| 18:18.19 | N9NU-Pi | im very familiar with useradd - this is for someone else |
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| 18:18.30 | greycat | don't use useradd. it's the low level backend tool. use adduser. |
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| 18:19.03 | N9NU-Pi | yeah thats CLI |
| 18:19.18 | N9NU-Pi | im on the phone with someone who insists on a GUI |
| 18:19.24 | N9NU-Pi | dont ask..lol |
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| 18:21.40 | bn_ | hmm, even with the debian source it inserts "dists" into the URI.... |
| 18:21.52 | greycat | Yes. |
| 18:22.19 | jelly | bn_: this is normal and hardcoded |
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| 18:22.44 | bn_ | N9NU-Pi: I'm pretty certain there's a package for that, I've used something like that in Gnome when I installed the SMB/CIFS server role |
| 18:22.59 | N9NU-Pi | copy that |
| 18:23.00 | jelly | bn_: for any deb line with url and two or more words after that |
| 18:23.03 | DammitJim1 | greycat, you mean all the files like ssh_host_*.pub right? |
| 18:23.05 | bn_ | N9NU-Pi: unfortunately I can't remember the name of the package though :( |
| 18:23.12 | N9NU-Pi | i can always ssh and do it my way |
| 18:23.14 | N9NU-Pi | lol |
| 18:23.16 | N9NU-Pi | cli rules |
| 18:23.34 | jelly | !wayttd bn_ |
| 18:23.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bn_? |
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| 18:23.43 | bn_ | see ^^^ |
| 18:24.25 | bn_ | damn, so if the repo server is going to be using the apt system, it *must* have a share named "dists" at the top-level? |
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| 18:25.01 | greycat | or alias it within the httpd configs |
| 18:25.38 | jelly | bn_: No. There's a second syntax with "deb URL oneword", that behaves differently. Are you merely GUESSING at the right deb line for your repos? |
| 18:25.47 | jelly | bn_: and why are you doing that? |
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| 18:28.02 | bn_ | ok, so don't specify components? ex: "deb uri distribution [component1] [component2] [...]" from man |
| 18:28.13 | bn_ | s/man/man sources.list/ |
| 18:28.31 | jelly | again, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 18:28.53 | sypher | !xy |
| 18:28.53 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 18:29.10 | jelly | bn_: do you have preexisting repos and do not know the right sources.list incantations for them? |
| 18:29.31 | jelly | or do you have preexisting sources.list and trying to make the repos behave right? |
| 18:32.27 | bn_ | both? there are pre-exiting repos with the auto-generated sources.list of which the repo maintainer isn't really interested in maintaining. |
| 18:32.40 | bn_ | The repo is there and I can see the correct dir and files and can manually download them, it just doesn't have the "dists" top-level dir. |
| 18:33.02 | jelly | bn_: are you able to fix both repo structure, or sources.list entries, or both? |
| 18:33.25 | bn_ | I can only fix client-side stuff, ie: sources.list, etc. |
| 18:33.52 | jelly | bn_: okay. So you have preexisting repos and do not know the right deb lines for them. |
| 18:34.18 | greycat | wonders if ../ will work here |
| 18:34.50 | bn_ | ah, that's an idea |
| 18:34.52 | jelly | bn_: those will depend on placement of Release* and Packages* files under the base repo URL, placement of .deb packages under the base URL, and contents of Packages* |
| 18:35.01 | jelly | bn_: so can you show those. |
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| 18:35.29 | jelly | preferably without munging. |
| 18:35.39 | N9NU-Pi | anyone know the 'official' raspberry pi help channel |
| 18:35.55 | N9NU-Pi | Model 3 B+ R 1.2 |
| 18:35.59 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 18:35.59 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:36.20 | bn_ | haha, greycat, you're awesome, that did it! |
| 18:36.21 | jelly | bn_: the simplest stupidest local repo may just go "deb file:/some/dir/ ./" |
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| 18:37.31 | jelly | N9NU-Pi: there's a #raspberrypi on freenode, the single hash suggests it's official but I have not asked |
| 18:37.52 | N9NU-Pi | ok..i downloaded Raspbian Debian Stretch w/ deskstop |
| 18:37.56 | jelly | #raspbian is the channel for the most commonly used OS for those systems |
| 18:37.57 | N9NU-Pi | ok...thank you |
| 18:38.09 | N9NU-Pi | gotchya |
| 18:38.34 | N9NU-Pi | it is based on debian though correct? |
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| 18:38.50 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 18:38.50 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:38.53 | N9NU-Pi | i know its taylored of course |
| 18:39.09 | N9NU-Pi | yeah thats cool |
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| 18:43.52 | bn_ | thanks guys, have a great day |
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| 18:49.22 | petn-randall | AlexLikeRock: If you had read my messages, you would have noticed that I already knew that. |
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| 19:18.25 | Mindiell | hi there, I got a problem on my system : I can't write on it anymore |
| 19:18.34 | Mindiell | touch is returning an i/o error |
| 19:18.51 | Mindiell | and sometimes I got something like "filesstem is read only" |
| 19:18.55 | Mindiell | even in root |
| 19:19.17 | Mindiell | I tried some fsck -l => https://vloz.it/p?13036a4269581e1f99632dc2a97baaa95e74f515 |
| 19:19.27 | Mindiell | any help would be great ;o) |
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| 19:20.10 | mnuhmnuh | Mindiell: journalctl; what's the system say happened to it? mount -o remount rw ... # ? |
| 19:20.51 | Mindiell | journalctl ? |
| 19:21.03 | mnuhmnuh | paste.debian.net |
| 19:21.23 | Mindiell | journalctl => unknown command |
| 19:21.33 | jelly | Mindiell: before doing any fsck, check for hw issues in "dmesg" output |
| 19:21.42 | jelly | Mindiell: which debian release is this? |
| 19:21.47 | mnuhmnuh | journalctl is systemd's way of displaying system log entries. |
| 19:21.53 | Mindiell | hmmm, dmesg : unknown command :o/ |
| 19:22.04 | mnuhmnuh | uname -a |
| 19:22.06 | jelly | Mindiell: /bin/dmesg |
| 19:22.07 | Mindiell | Linux huygens 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:22.17 | jelly | somewhat old debian 8 |
| 19:22.33 | Mindiell | jelly: => got i/o error on /bin/dmesg |
| 19:23.00 | jelly | Mindiell: what kind of hardware is this? |
| 19:23.08 | Mindiell | hmm, let's see :o) |
| 19:23.10 | jelly | it's possible the disk fell off the bus |
| 19:23.23 | Mindiell | HP Compaq nc6400 |
| 19:23.32 | jelly | and is not accessible at all any more, so any commands not in cache result in io errors |
| 19:23.38 | Mindiell | Jessie 32 (deb8) |
| 19:23.39 | jelly | laptop? |
| 19:23.44 | Mindiell | yup |
| 19:23.47 | Mindiell | in my garage |
| 19:23.47 | jelly | how old? |
| 19:23.56 | Mindiell | certainly quiet old :D |
| 19:24.03 | jelly | the disk is probably nearing its end |
| 19:24.11 | Mindiell | but, my irssi is on it and I can talk with you... |
| 19:24.22 | Mindiell | so it works,... kind of |
| 19:24.28 | Mindiell | and I se it via ssh |
| 19:24.31 | mnuhmnuh | Mindiell: dmesg was taken away/disabled sometime back. it's fixable, but journalctl with systemd replaces it today. |
| 19:24.32 | Mindiell | etc... |
| 19:24.45 | jelly | mnuhmnuh: dmesg wasn't taken away or disabled. |
| 19:25.08 | jelly | Mindiell: commands that are still in memory (cache) still work |
| 19:25.09 | Mindiell | and for information, laptop didn't move for a while |
| 19:25.17 | greycat | It was made to require root (uid 0) in stretch, which is annoying as all hell. |
| 19:25.18 | Mindiell | so, normally, nothing from a shcok |
| 19:25.25 | hexnewbie | Very much sounds like a disk that already died. I'm having a déjà vu with those I/O errors on calling dmesg. Though... I faced a similar issue on my older laptop, and it turned out overheating had unsoldered the disk controller, and the disk was OK. |
| 19:25.36 | tw | dmesg is probably not in your path. |
| 19:25.44 | jelly | greycat: sure, by default, and there's a sysctl or a boot param to reenable it |
| 19:25.52 | jelly | it's not "taken away" |
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| 19:26.38 | Mindiell | well, at the moment, irssi said "file system is read only" while trying to create log files this morning at 00AM |
| 19:26.41 | jelly | Mindiell: for motor bearings, lying unspinning for a couple months-years then spinning up, is a shock |
| 19:26.43 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: i know; /etc/sysctl.conf: kernel.dmesg_restrict=0 # re-enables it. |
| 19:27.01 | mnuhmnuh | it was taken away. |
| 19:27.05 | Mindiell | jelly: sure, but it is on for monthes ;o) |
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| 19:27.24 | jelly | mnuhmnuh: then kindly do not tell the user it was "taken away". Say "works for root only in stretch": |
| 19:27.30 | jelly | mnuhmnuh: and this is not stretch |
| 19:27.40 | hexnewbie | jelly: And bpo kernel, too |
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| 19:27.49 | jelly | it is not the fucking bpo kernel either |
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| 19:28.46 | Mindiell | so... |
| 19:28.59 | Mindiell | I'll save everything I can, then try a reboot ? |
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| 19:29.15 | Mindiell | and maybe I'll try to disconnect and reconnect the hdd |
| 19:29.18 | jelly | Mindiell: there's nothing to save to, unless you connect an external disk |
| 19:29.23 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: i was trying to point at journalctl. you fixated on dmesg yada yada. |
| 19:29.28 | Mindiell | jelly: with ssh ;o) |
| 19:29.38 | hexnewbie | Mindiell: If dmesg doesn't work, try cat /dev/kmsg |
| 19:29.39 | Mindiell | well, scp |
| 19:29.58 | Mindiell | ough ! lot of errors |
| 19:30.22 | jelly | Mindiell: your symptoms look as if disk is not accessible. You won't be able to copy anything not already in cache |
| 19:30.38 | jelly | because... the disk is... not... accessible |
| 19:30.41 | Mindiell | well, the cat did work |
| 19:30.52 | Mindiell | it seems I can read it |
| 19:30.55 | hexnewbie | Mindiell: cat wasn't from disk, and cat itself was probably in cache |
| 19:31.07 | Mindiell | but /dev/kmsg ? |
| 19:31.10 | jelly | /dev/kmsg is a kernel buffer |
| 19:31.15 | Mindiell | ough |
| 19:31.15 | jelly | RAM |
| 19:31.29 | Mindiell | this is why I'm here, because you know much much than me ;o) |
| 19:31.38 | jelly | Mindiell: the point of reading that was to see if there were errors in dmesg |
| 19:31.48 | Mindiell | a lot |
| 19:31.49 | jelly | and what sort of errors those were |
| 19:31.51 | hexnewbie | Mindiell: Are the errors in /dev/kmsg disk related? |
| 19:31.56 | jelly | and pastebin them maybe |
| 19:31.56 | Mindiell | yup |
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| 19:32.01 | Mindiell | I'll try |
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| 19:32.12 | jelly | it doesn't really matter |
| 19:32.48 | jelly | power off, let it rest for a bit, see if you can make the disk work for a couple more minutes-hours when it cools down |
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| 19:32.58 | Mindiell | https://vloz.it/p?90372534186401d83e6146310873c6e6187ddb93 |
| 19:32.59 | tw | I'd power it down, boot a rescue ISO, and try to do a ddrescue to another hdd. You're probably in for significant data loss. |
| 19:33.20 | jelly | but if it's an old laptop 5400 disk, good luck you'll need it |
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| 19:33.47 | jelly | hope you don't have only copies of important data on it |
| 19:33.51 | Mindiell | oh god, i's very strange :D |
| 19:34.14 | RoyK | backups are for cowards! |
| 19:34.15 | Mindiell | ok, thx for the tips I'll try all I can ;o) |
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| 19:34.40 | jelly | sadly most the io errors have scrolled off and replaced by ext4fs junk |
| 19:35.05 | jelly | that ext4 stuff is not interesting |
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| 19:35.17 | RoyK | possibly in the system logs if the disk is still writable |
| 19:35.52 | hexnewbie | There's still some very tiny chance this can work: cat /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:36.06 | Mindiell | I did not copy everything |
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| 19:37.22 | Mindiell | here is the beginning : https://vloz.it/p?1d4372bd73d35b6b7f6bf0c5d1f9daaa82e7338f |
| 19:37.36 | tw | there's also a marginal chance that if you unplug the SATA cable to the drive and plug it back in, you'll get better results. You can get read errors like that from cable damage or improperly seated cables. |
| 19:37.36 | osmo-bl | hello. I need some help with keyboard layout |
| 19:37.39 | Mindiell | if it can be useful |
| 19:37.42 | annadane | !ask |
| 19:37.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:37.46 | annadane | osmo-bl, ^ |
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| 19:38.06 | Mindiell | thx, I'll be back to give news ;o) |
| 19:38.09 | jelly | Mindiell: right, that's a disk dying |
| 19:38.27 | jelly | basically |
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| 19:38.56 | jelly | these are not just data cable flake: Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
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| 19:39.13 | osmo-bl | so, i have edited this file |
| 19:39.13 | tw | No, they're not. |
| 19:39.20 | osmo-bl | --/etc/default/keyboard |
| 19:39.40 | osmo-bl | but the new language will not appear |
| 19:39.50 | Mindiell | well, it's my IRC client (irssi + screen) and my DNS, so I hope I did backups :D |
| 19:39.52 | jelly | !keymap |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 19:39.59 | Mindiell | o/ |
| 19:40.08 | jelly | osmo-bl: ^^ does it appear if you use the debconf thingy |
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| 19:41.03 | osmo-bl | well, I dont know what is debconf |
| 19:42.33 | jelly | osmo-bl: it's what shows the choices when you run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" |
| 19:42.56 | jelly | I needn't have mentioned it |
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| 19:43.10 | osmo-bl | update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults |
| 19:43.36 | jelly | just try the command, as root; that warning is just a warning, ignore it |
| 19:43.42 | osmo-bl | this is what I get when I try that dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 19:43.49 | jelly | and nothing more? |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | osmo-bl: which debian release is this? |
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| 19:45.04 | annadane | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:45.09 | jelly | meow |
| 19:45.15 | annadane | shush |
| 19:45.21 | jelly | hiss |
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| 19:46.12 | osmo-bl | jessie I guess |
| 19:46.21 | jelly | osmo-bl: how did you install it? |
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| 19:46.40 | jelly | osmo-bl: what does "lsb_release -a" say |
| 19:46.46 | osmo-bl | 8.5 |
| 19:47.08 | osmo-bl | it is a bunsenlabs |
| 19:47.23 | hexnewbie | osmo-bl: As far as X is concerned, I had more luck with using setxkbmap than using /etc/default/keyboard. Granted, probably due to me using it wrong, but it was still easy to just use my aged setxkbmap :) |
| 19:47.39 | annadane | !bunsenlabs |
| 19:47.39 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 19:47.42 | jelly | osmo-bl: you'll have to ask the bunsenlabs people how they broke the keyboard-configuration or debconf settings |
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| 19:48.42 | jelly | that ought to work on an actual debian |
| 19:49.19 | osmo-bl | thank you! I will contuniue asking there! |
| 19:49.27 | jelly | good luck! |
| 19:50.17 | jelly | *purr* |
| 19:50.43 | teraflops | ,v libglvnd |
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| 20:15.20 | Prezioso | I'm trying use cmake on a project, but I get this error: "Could NOT find GLEW (missing: GLEW_LIBRARY)" I have installed: libglew-dev. My guess is that cmake is looking in the wrong path? |
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| 20:15.44 | greycat | there's a #cmake channel |
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| 20:16.29 | greycat | One of the very few things I know about cmake is that every time you install a new library, you have to blow away the build directory and create a new one because it caches EVERYTHING. |
| 20:16.57 | greycat | Change a build option? Blow away the build directory, start over. Etc. |
| 20:17.29 | Prezioso | greycat: I'll try that channel. And remember the "Build Blow" |
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| 20:18.42 | rsvi | Not directly debian-related but I hope it's okay: how do calendar/reminder apps "schedule" stuff to happen at a specific time? I know cron, but I doubt evolution's adding and removing cronjobs, is it? Is there some standardized way to deal with timed stuff or whatever? |
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| 20:22.11 | petemc | rsvi: a reminder app needs to run all the time, so it can just check the time |
| 20:23.15 | Photon | Can anyone please help me with letsencrypt's certbot please? https://hastebin.com/adilukiper.pas |
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| 20:24.19 | Iridos | there is no a.com |
| 20:24.23 | rsvi | petemc, any tips on the best way to program that? just a while loop or something like that? Cause that seems so inefficient |
| 20:24.34 | petemc | poll? |
| 20:24.40 | petemc | im not a coder |
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| 20:26.01 | Iridos | hm, maybe ask in the channel of the programming language you want to use |
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| 20:26.47 | rsvi | Thanks, guys :) |
| 20:27.07 | Iridos | or look in an application that does that kind of thin |
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| 20:28.49 | Iridos | rsvi, man 2 alarm |
| 20:29.08 | Iridos | well, dunno |
| 20:29.35 | mason | Oh, hrm. Just realized that Stretch ships Linux 4.9. That's rather new! I was thinking I'd have to get something newer out of backports for an install, but no. |
| 20:30.09 | Iridos | sorry 'bout that |
| 20:31.09 | rsvi | Iridos, thanks! |
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| 20:32.20 | somiaj | mason: stretch was released this summer and waited for the 4.9 lts kernel. But for now it is fairly recent. |
| 20:33.09 | mason | somiaj: This will simplify life for me. Good stuff. |
| 20:35.32 | mnuhmnuh | mason: stretch is the best I've seen, ever. |
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| 20:36.49 | mason | Good to hear. My wife's pushing for us to move back to Debian, having learned that sysvinit is actively supported internally, so I'm exploring the idea now. |
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| 20:37.20 | Photon | Iridos: a.com is to show my input format, I'm not putting in my real domain |
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| 20:38.16 | somiaj | !tell mason about remove systemd |
| 20:38.17 | mnuhmnuh | smart woman. |
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| 20:38.51 | somiaj | mason: I think systemd works just fine in debian, maybe give it a try. You can't completely remove it, but you can use sysvinit as your init system. You will still have systemd on your system for other parts. |
| 20:38.53 | mason | somiaj: Oh, I've already tested it out and was happy with the results, but thank you. :) I think the big move for the family will be moving to XFCE4 from Gnome. |
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| 20:39.16 | Photon | Anyone? |
| 20:39.36 | mason | somiaj: Oh, I'm pretty familiar with it. This will be a political move. |
| 20:39.46 | mason | Photon: Can you restate your initial question? I wasn't here to see it. |
| 20:40.06 | mason | Oh, never mind, I was. Sorry, I have no experience with Let's Encrypt as yet. |
| 20:40.16 | greycat | Photon: there's a #letsencrypt channel too |
| 20:40.29 | greycat | in case nobody here knows how to help |
| 20:40.38 | mnuhmnuh | mason: give mate a try. works great here, useful config user env ? |
| 20:41.10 | hicks_ | what was the question? I've just been setting up let's encrypt on a few servers |
| 20:41.13 | mason | mnuhmnuh: Ah, decent idea. Thank you. I hadn't thought of it. I think that would be comfortable for them. |
| 20:41.18 | Photon | Can anyone please help me with letsencrypt's certbot please? https://hastebin.com/adilukiper.pas |
| 20:41.23 | Photon | mason: ^ |
| 20:41.30 | Photon | Thanks greycat |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | would ask the LE people directly |
| 20:42.12 | Iridos | Photon, no⦠I already told you⦠you gave it an invalid domain, so this isn't a real error |
| 20:42.13 | Photon | Didn't know sorry |
| 20:42.28 | Photon | Iridos: I also told you that a.com is a placeholder... |
| 20:42.29 | hicks_ | Photon: on the machine you run certbot, do you have the port open it needs to connect from the internet to your machine? 80 |
| 20:42.31 | Iridos | oh, so the error is the real one |
| 20:42.32 | Iridos | yeah |
| 20:42.38 | Iridos | was busy with something else |
| 20:42.42 | Photon | hicks_: Yes |
| 20:42.43 | Iridos | but you would get the same error for tha |
| 20:42.46 | mason | abrotman: PM? |
| 20:42.52 | abrotman | sure |
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| 20:43.09 | Iridos | well⦠the thing cannot contact you |
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| 20:44.12 | mnuhmnuh | wtf? |
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| 20:45.03 | Iridos | the obvious thing would be to check that your machine can be reached via the name given |
| 20:45.15 | Iridos | from somewhere on the internet |
| 20:45.40 | Photon | Iridos: It can |
| 20:46.05 | sypher | On port 443/tcp? |
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| 20:46.08 | Photon | Yes |
| 20:46.24 | sypher | Well, 80/tcp, technically. The cert's not configured yet. |
| 20:46.37 | Iridos | I think it would use 443 anyway |
| 20:46.45 | sypher | Kinda need a cert for that. |
| 20:46.47 | Iridos | so to show you own that port |
| 20:46.48 | Photon | Doesn't matter, my firewall is open |
| 20:46.59 | Iridos | no, it's only custom to have ssl running over that |
| 20:47.18 | Iridos | but yeah, with apache it probabbly uses 80 |
| 20:47.27 | hicks_ | Photon: if you'd like you can pm me the IP you are running this on and I'll nmap the port |
| 20:47.28 | Iridos | so it might as well |
| 20:47.30 | sypher | 443 is expected to be encrypted. |
| 20:47.40 | hicks_ | or user an online scanner to double check |
| 20:47.48 | Iridos | yeah, but it can do whatever it wants if it spins up its own server |
| 20:48.06 | Photon | Thanks hicks_, I might just do that though |
| 20:48.40 | sypher | Per his output, he's using the TLS-SNI protocol challenge, which is running over 443 encrypted. |
| 20:48.50 | sypher | Iridos: No sane server would run 443 in the clear. Period. |
| 20:48.54 | Iridos | you shouldn't check the IP⦠the dns has to work, too |
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| 20:49.47 | Iridos | sypher, the isnt a sane server, that's an automated challenge response ⦠which was my point all the time⦠it doesn't need to follow any rule it only has to be compatible with itself for about 20 seconds |
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| 20:49.56 | sypher | The DNS name you're registering the cert to must exist in DNS, and that DNS name's A record must point to the IP of the server. |
| 20:50.00 | sypher | Iridos: Incorrect. |
| 20:50.14 | sypher | Iridos: There is actually a (draft, currently) spec that governs this behavior. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-acme-03#section-7.3 |
| 20:50.36 | hicks_ | from what I recall default is port 80, but tls-sni-01 is 443 |
| 20:50.58 | hicks_ | I used dns-01 for the recent servers I setup though as they're not internet facing |
| 20:52.37 | sypher | Photon: Can you ping (from some other system) the DNS name you're trying to register for the certificate, and if so, does the IP address that it resolves to match the IP of the system that's running certbot? |
| 20:52.49 | Iridos | The choice of which challenges to |
| 20:52.49 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.49 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.06 | Iridos | ops, linebreaks |
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| 20:53.56 | sypher | Iridos: But if you offer TLS SNI as an option, it must follow the behavior indicated for that challenge. Anything that professes compatibility with the ACME standard (LE, certbot) must do so. |
| 20:55.21 | Iridos | sure |
| 20:55.31 | hicks_ | also check if you have A and AAAA configured that you have the port open for both |
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| 20:56.39 | hicks_ | Just checked my certbot install and I had 443 opened for it. |
| 20:56.56 | rocketman_ | no 'phpldapadmin' for stretch? |
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| 20:57.03 | sypher | hicks_: I forgot initially that they're doing TLS SNI now by default. |
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| 21:16.40 | macondo123 | hi all, I installed 9.1 strech. Today after an upgrade/dist-upgrade I got this error:Err:7 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages |
| 21:16.40 | macondo123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.29 | macondo123 | should I do nothing, and wait for debian to fix it? |
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| 21:21.11 | Photon | sypher: Yes, there are two and one does |
| 21:21.23 | Photon | Speaking with letsencrypt channel also |
| 21:21.29 | sypher | Photon: BOTH must. |
| 21:21.49 | mason | macondo123: that doesn't look quite right. Can you put your sources.list (or that line anyway) and the output up on bpaste.net or similar? |
| 21:22.08 | sypher | Or the system doing the verification might get the other one that doesn't, and verification fails. |
| 21:22.12 | annadane | or, y'know, paste.debian.net |
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| 21:22.22 | mason | Or that. |
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| 21:24.44 | corn_flakes | hi |
| 21:24.52 | corn_flakes | how to install guest additions on debian? |
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| 21:25.45 | Fnatic | hey guys |
| 21:26.19 | Fnatic | are webmin down for i cant download it with apt-get install webmin |
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| 21:26.39 | awal1 | corn_flakes, be more clear |
| 21:26.46 | annadane | corn_flakes, for what? virtualbox? |
| 21:26.46 | towo-vm | corn_flakes, you should begin to provide all relevant informations! |
| 21:26.51 | annadane | ^ |
| 21:27.32 | corn_flakes | debian has an orrible bug, after a while, lxde session won't start |
| 21:27.51 | corn_flakes | I am having a problem with LightDm and LXDE. When I boot up my VM, I get the lighdm login screen. Then, when I enter my password and click enter, the Lightdm screen goes away, and comes back with the lightdm screen again. When I go and log into the guest account, it works fine. |
| 21:28.16 | annadane | ok, which vm? |
| 21:28.24 | corn_flakes | somebody told me that could depend from that i do not use guest additions provided by debian |
| 21:28.28 | corn_flakes | virtualbox |
| 21:28.32 | annadane | right |
| 21:28.35 | corn_flakes | and debian 9 x64 |
| 21:28.36 | awal1 | corn_flakes, virtualbox-guest-additions-iso ? |
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| 21:28.46 | macondo123 | mason: at paste.debian.net Posting 987929 from macondo123 posted at 2017-09-26 21:26:44 expires: 2017-09-27 21:26 |
| 21:29.00 | corn_flakes | awal1, what it is? |
| 21:29.21 | mason | macondo123: FWIW, you'd want to share that as http://paste.debian.net/987929 generally - looking |
| 21:29.28 | corn_flakes | it is the second time this happened |
| 21:29.37 | corn_flakes | the firs time, i made a new debian installation to fix |
| 21:29.46 | corn_flakes | but now, happened again after two days |
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| 21:30.15 | awal1 | you asked about guest additions |
| 21:30.22 | mason | macondo123: That looks malformed, unless I'm confused. Try this for the security lines: https://bpaste.net/show/307c87bc713e That's from a fresh install of Stretch this afternoon. |
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| 21:30.40 | awal1 | aptitude show virtualbox-guest-additions-iso and check description |
| 21:30.53 | annadane | corn_flakes, btw i assume you're using virtualbox from stretch-backports |
| 21:30.53 | mason | Note that it's ....org/debian-security stretch/updates main, not ....org/debian-security stretch/updates/main |
| 21:31.14 | awal1 | i dont know about other guest additions |
| 21:31.17 | corn_flakes | annadane, i use provided image by virtualbox |
| 21:31.23 | annadane | though i suspect if you're using the one directly from the website it's virtually the same but there may be differences |
| 21:31.34 | mason | macondo123: If I'm confused and those two forms are interchangeable, then I'm not sure what to recommend, as I don't see a mismatch here. |
| 21:32.00 | awal1 | easy to install in the guest iso, after installing them in the host |
| 21:32.24 | awal1 | debian, i mean |
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| 21:34.21 | awal1 | corn_flakes, install that pkg from debian repos, when done ask again about how to enable them in your guest |
| 21:34.31 | macondo123 | mason: Thanks pal, I will keep looking... |
| 21:34.33 | awal1 | if that is what you wanted |
| 21:35.15 | corn_flakes | awal1 what package? |
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| 21:35.28 | awal1 | virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 21:35.34 | towo-vm | corn_flakes, if the problem occurs only with one user and not with another, then it's probably not a problem of the guest additions, they are used for both users |
| 21:36.32 | corn_flakes | ok |
| 21:36.36 | corn_flakes | so, what the problem |
| 21:36.40 | towo-vm | and fallback to login screen are mostly disk full, bad right's on /temp or damaged user profile |
| 21:36.51 | corn_flakes | in the other channels they said that #debian is the right place to ask |
| 21:37.03 | corn_flakes | towo-vm, we checked |
| 21:37.13 | corn_flakes | the FUN thing is that happened alone |
| 21:37.15 | corn_flakes | i did nothing |
| 21:37.18 | corn_flakes | no changements |
| 21:37.49 | awal1 | corn_flakes, i also dont think its guest additions issue |
| 21:38.10 | corn_flakes | "the real question is why is it ok for a while & then breaks ? thats not a good sign" |
| 21:38.26 | awal1 | but who knows when third party software is involved |
| 21:38.32 | corn_flakes | i already told you that's the second time happening |
| 21:38.52 | corn_flakes | the first time i solved with a new install thinking about i did broken something |
| 21:39.15 | corn_flakes | somebody told me that to install vbox guest additions i need backports |
| 21:39.17 | corn_flakes | is true? |
| 21:40.17 | towo-vm | only if you want to install virtualbox-guest-x11, virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 21:40.42 | corn_flakes | and what different from virtualbox-guest-additions-iso ? |
| 21:40.44 | towo-vm | if you install the oracle provided guestadditions, then not |
| 21:41.11 | towo-vm | virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is installed on the host, tha other three in guest |
| 21:41.58 | macondo123 | mason: i changed it, made no difference, same hash error :( |
| 21:42.07 | corn_flakes | ok, but the host is windows |
| 21:42.09 | corn_flakes | so no problem |
| 21:42.19 | mason | macondo123: Ah, on this end I used your line, and got a different error than what you saw. |
| 21:42.50 | mason | macondo123: Maybe pastebin your actual config file as well..., and not just the program output? |
| 21:42.59 | awal1 | wasting people time |
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| 21:46.59 | mason | Is there any information on upgrading Wheezy to Stretch directly? Has this been tested? I'm not seeing any docs that specifically address it as yet, although I'm still looking. |
| 21:47.25 | macondo123 | mason: what config file? |
| 21:47.34 | mason | macondo123: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:47.51 | macondo123 | ok |
| 21:49.18 | corn_flakes | http://sprunge.us/QOUW |
| 21:49.22 | corn_flakes | you think ghe disk is full? |
| 21:49.44 | Iridos | it is full |
| 21:49.50 | Iridos | and it contains /home |
| 21:49.56 | Iridos | and this is why you cannot login |
| 21:50.02 | corn_flakes | i removed some file |
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| 21:50.12 | awal1 | mason, wheezy ---> jessie ---> stretch, recommended, for no say mandatory |
| 21:50.12 | towo-vm | /dev/sda1 15G 15G 0 100% / |
| 21:50.15 | corn_flakes | but it does not look to get space |
| 21:50.16 | Iridos | login process needs to write into the home directory for a graphical login |
| 21:50.21 | towo-vm | i would say, yes, it's full |
| 21:50.22 | corn_flakes | i removed some 500 mb file |
| 21:50.41 | towo-vm | not enaught |
| 21:50.51 | mason | awal1: Alright, I can do that I guess. The system doesn't run X so it shouldn't be too crazy. |
| 21:50.56 | mason | Thank you. |
| 21:51.01 | macondo123 | mason: @paste.debian.net Posting 987932 |
| 21:51.03 | towo-vm | there has to be more that 5% of the size to bee available |
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| 21:52.46 | Iridos | mason, upgrade paths are only made for one stable to another⦠if skipping a stable distribution in between works, it's pure luck |
| 21:52.54 | corn_flakes | apt clean would help? |
| 21:52.55 | apt | ACTION nukes would help's room and says to would help: Und zie problem is solved |
| 21:53.33 | mason | Iridos: Incremental upgrades it will be. |
| 21:53.33 | Iridos | actually would be fun to try if you can do such skipping upgrades with a base install⦠if that already fails⦠|
| 21:53.57 | towo-vm | corn_flakes, who besides you knows your system? |
| 21:54.02 | Iridos | mason, maybe re-installing and putting back in the old package list is quicker⦠you can /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 21:54.09 | Iridos | ⦠to read on it |
| 21:54.14 | towo-vm | corn_flakes, try it, check if it helps |
| 21:54.35 | mason | Iridos: ty, will consider that too |
| 21:55.27 | mason | macondo123: I'm not seeing anything overtly wrong there, and you're listing security.debian.org exactly as I am |
| 21:56.37 | macondo123 | oh, well, I'll just wait, switch to my other box with freebsd... |
| 21:57.06 | macondo123 | mason, maybe tomorrow will be solved.. |
| 21:57.41 | mason | macondo123: I'd get other folks to weigh in as well. I'm a bit out of the loop with Debian. Maybe there's a way to clear out the local conception of what to expect from the server. |
| 21:58.12 | macondo123 | mason, thanks again |
| 21:58.36 | mason | Iridos: You know, I've been wanting to redo the disk layout, so I think the idea of a reinstall is likely better for me. Thank you again. |
| 21:58.57 | Iridos | yw :) |
| 21:59.27 | macondo123 | :quit |
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| 22:00.16 | Iridos | I'm still on jessie⦠but someone on stretch could have tested if they get an error from security.debian.org as well |
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| 22:00.52 | Iridos | he didn't get the error for just any mirror that can be out of sync |
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| 22:04.10 | jhutchins | Iridos: I don't get any errors from the security repo - just checked. |
| 22:04.13 | mason | Iridos: I have my Stretch test VM here and I don't see the erorr. |
| 22:04.14 | mason | error |
| 22:04.31 | mason | And I'm specifying it using identical syntax. |
| 22:04.51 | Iridos | then I guess he'll be back tomorrow :P |
| 22:05.01 | mason | Probably. |
| 22:05.19 | mason | I'd be worrying about some funky MITM issue if I were him. |
| 22:05.42 | mason | He's not seeing a PGP error, he's getting a bad checksum from the repository itself. Strange. |
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| 22:08.43 | Photon | So another issue now. I zipped some backups with zip and moved them to another server, and now they're empty. |
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| 22:12.37 | Iridos | Filesize would be correct for the Packages.xz |
| 22:13.00 | Photon | Nvm I forgot the -r and now all the backups are gone forever |
| 22:13.06 | Photon | fml |
| 22:13.38 | mason | Photon: I'd strongly recommend having regular back-ups. Even if you're using something bulletproof like ZFS you can lose the actual hardware a variety of ways. |
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| 22:14.16 | Iridos | could be a transparent proxy or so, though |
| 22:14.38 | Photon | mason: Yeah I will be implementating that now. |
| 22:14.43 | Photon | Implementain |
| 22:14.46 | Photon | Implementing |
| 22:14.49 | Iridos | but on the same filesize⦠yeah, suspicious |
| 22:14.51 | mason | Implementationifying. |
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| 22:16.08 | Iridos | heard a quote lately⦠there's hadly ever a problem with making the backups⦠it's replaying the contents that can be a bit tricky :P |
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| 22:16.24 | Orbstheorem | Hi, I'm using debian-sid. I'm experiencing random "freezes" that last a couple of seconds and shot my load from about 0.5 to 6.1; During these freezes, I'm able to move my mouse around and tmux will be responsible (but can't spawn new shells). Netdata says that a core is stuck in iowait during the freeze. I have an nvme ssd, 32GB ram, Xeon E3 and I'm on 4.12.0-1. I've left atop open, but I can't find any process directly responsible to |
| 22:16.25 | Orbstheorem | this and the only lines I get on dmesg are "[...] BTRFS warning (device dm-0): unhandled fiemap cache detected: offset=0 phys=..." |
| 22:17.01 | mason | Photon: As Iridos notes, test your back-ups as well. |
| 22:17.49 | Iridos | Orbstheorem, better ask that on #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net ⦠the testing/unstable people hang out there |
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| 22:18.54 | Orbstheorem | Will do, thanks |
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| 22:19.47 | Iridos | (and obviously check at bugs.debian.org) |
| 22:19.56 | Photon | yeah |
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| 22:23.27 | mason | Hrm. In the text installer, in Stretch, I don't see a way to specify a partition scheme. Does it default to MBR still, or will this have picked GPT since I booted under UEFI? |
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| 22:24.42 | somiaj | it will be gpt if you boot under efi |
| 22:24.45 | somiaj | mbr if you boot legacy |
| 22:24.52 | mason | somiaj: Cool, thank you. |
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| 22:29.08 | MAXim1 | xserver problems with rx480 :( |
| 22:29.16 | MAXim1 | can't login lxde |
| 22:29.25 | MAXim1 | or any other windowmanager |
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| 22:31.16 | MAXim1 | debian stretch |
| 22:32.00 | MAXim1 | gdm3 is working |
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| 22:32.30 | Iridos | disk full? |
| 22:33.16 | Iridos | gn |
| 22:33.31 | MAXim1 | hmm from tty3 startx works ? |
| 22:33.34 | MAXim1 | ! |
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| 22:34.33 | mason | Oh, this is strange. Next install I'm doing, mirrors.kernel.org seems not to have Stretch. |
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| 22:43.20 | ChmEarl | mason, the stretch ISO is called 9.1 |
| 22:43.52 | ChmEarl | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 22:43.53 | mason | ChmEarl: Well. More specifically, the net install asked what mirror I wanted, I said mirrors.kernel.org, and it said "no dice". |
| 22:44.12 | mason | I've got the ISO, I just had to tell it to use Debian's reflector. |
| 22:44.16 | ChmEarl | oh, yeah, its only a limited set of debian mirros |
| 22:44.35 | ChmEarl | same thing got me |
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| 22:50.58 | Photon | https://hastebin.com/unipucevoz.hs |
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| 23:11.27 | little-tommy | been offline recently, sid looks bad right now. is there a transition going on? |
| 23:12.22 | little-tommy | sorry if off-topic |
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| 23:34.09 | awal1 | little-tommy, you can check/follow https://release.debian.org/transitions/ regularly for be aware of transitions if you are a testing / unstable user |
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| 23:43.09 | corn_flakes | where is lsof? |
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| 23:44.04 | DieMonkeys | hi, got a question about having a couple of network accessed hard drives being added to my Tinker Board every time it boots up |
| 23:44.22 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.24 | DieMonkeys | I followed this guide to mount the drives as /nas/whatever |
| 23:44.25 | DieMonkeys | https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/239288/finding-my-nas-in-media-server |
| 23:44.34 | DieMonkeys | but every time I reboot I have to do that again |
| 23:44.47 | corn_flakes | LtL, in debian 9 ? |
| 23:44.49 | DieMonkeys | and it asks for a password even though there isn't one |
| 23:44.55 | LtL | corn_flakes: yes |
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| 23:46.45 | corn_flakes | not in my case |
| 23:47.41 | LtL | corn_flakes: i'm on 9.1, whereis lsof on yours? |
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| 23:48.11 | corn_flakes | nowhere |
| 23:48.14 | burdz | corn_flakes can you run `which lsof` |
| 23:48.26 | corn_flakes | empty output |
| 23:48.44 | burdz | what happens if you `sudo apt install lsof` |
| 23:48.56 | LtL | corn_flakes: install it |
| 23:49.36 | corn_flakes | there is no free space on my disk |
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| 23:49.49 | corn_flakes | and lsof is the reason why i need it |
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| 23:50.59 | burdz | DieMonkeys: you probably need to include an entry into you `/etc/fstab` |
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| 23:52.26 | corn_flakes | burdz i removed big files |
| 23:52.31 | DieMonkeys | I'll look into it burdz |
| 23:52.36 | corn_flakes | why space does not become free? |
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| 23:56.23 | burdz | corn_flakes: I would have no idea :/ possibly log files filling up your disk quicker than you can use it? |
| 23:57.21 | corn_flakes | ii removed 2 - 3 gb |
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| 23:57.38 | corn_flakes | but df still tells me 100% full |
| 23:57.53 | corn_flakes | i restart but nothing |
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| 23:58.57 | mason | dpkg: weather |
| 23:58.59 | RoyK | corn_flakes: apt-get clean |
| 23:59.00 | RoyK | perhaps |
| 23:59.18 | RoyK | corn_flakes: usually there's a lot stored in the apt cache |
| 23:59.22 | mason | There used to be a weather report for (at least) testing... Thought the bot had it. |
| 23:59.28 | LtL | corn_flakes: apt-get autoremove |
| 23:59.56 | RoyK | LtL: probably won't work until the disk has more space |