| 00:00.15 | LtL | RoyK: yeah, crazy tight |
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| 00:01.11 | corn_flakes | it's a VM |
| 00:01.15 | RoyK | corn_flakes: restarting the machine won't do jackshit - that's a windows thing |
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| 00:01.20 | corn_flakes | if i use the shared folder to extract .tar |
| 00:01.26 | corn_flakes | i could income in some problem? |
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| 00:01.38 | RoyK | corn_flakes: it doesn't matter if it's a vm or not - did you try to apt-get clean? |
| 00:01.41 | corn_flakes | ad example hard links not supported in windows FS |
| 00:01.57 | RoyK | hello |
| 00:01.59 | corn_flakes | RoyK, yes i'm doing, but what i did is another different question |
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| 00:02.35 | RoyK | corn_flakes: it's called "thank you, sir, for trying to help me out" |
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| 00:06.29 | corn_flakes | RoyK, no |
| 00:06.32 | corn_flakes | i need to try |
| 00:06.37 | corn_flakes | it's taking a while |
| 00:07.06 | corn_flakes | still 100% full |
| 00:07.06 | corn_flakes | :\ |
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| 00:09.34 | coruja | corn_flakes, you can try to chase down with 'du -sh /*' (and subdirs afterwards) where it eats up your space |
| 00:10.26 | corn_flakes | what does it do? |
| 00:11.07 | coruja | sums up file/dir sizes |
| 00:11.39 | coruja | (would a 'man du' have been impolite?) ;) |
| 00:11.53 | corn_flakes | coruja, i removed 2-3GB of files |
| 00:12.00 | corn_flakes | but no space frees |
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| 00:13.03 | coruja | one more to find out what's going on there |
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| 00:13.08 | coruja | +reason |
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| 00:26.54 | happygilmoregent | I need some help with a crash of my Nvidia 6150SE |
| 00:27.17 | happygilmoregent | it locks up and then scrambles the screen and dmesg shows MMIO write faults any ideas? |
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| 00:28.52 | Guest56949 | Can someone tell me what would cause this error https://pastebin.com/CQ1Ukmnw |
| 00:29.07 | happygilmoregent | it's running nouveau |
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| 00:29.48 | Guest56949 | arduino ide will not run for some reason when i install the package from the arduino website |
| 00:30.08 | happygilmoregent | what is the error? |
| 00:30.31 | Guest56949 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.42 | Guest56949 | i got k-lined last time i tried to paste it |
| 00:33.19 | Guest56949 | it makes no sense because it install with no errors |
| 00:33.23 | coruja | Guest56949, a .desktop file is not an executable |
| 00:33.46 | Guest56949 | coruja: so what should i do ? |
| 00:33.55 | Guest56949 | when i click the icon it just does nothing |
| 00:33.57 | Toffe | Hey guys, i got a kernel panic on my debian install |
| 00:34.01 | coruja | Guest56949, like the name hints, it provides an icon on your desktop to be clicked |
| 00:34.11 | Toffe | Anyone know how i can figure out what it is? |
| 00:34.38 | Toffe | Here is the whole panic: http://link.jepb.no/mjW3 |
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| 00:36.04 | coruja | Guest56949, try to start arduino (or how the executable is called) from a console window and check the output there |
| 00:37.00 | Guest56949 | coruja: im a no0b how do i figure that out what to type to start it |
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| 00:39.06 | coruja | Guest56949, it's your 3rd party software (which may play well with debian or not), so you should know |
| 00:39.34 | Guest56949 | no man im just trying to learn about arduinos i know nothing |
| 00:39.41 | Guest56949 | i dont think it can be lainched from cli |
| 00:39.55 | coruja | my first guesses would be arduino or arduinoide |
| 00:40.30 | coruja | if it has an executable it will for sure |
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| 00:41.24 | happygilmoregent | sorry my NVIDIA 6150SE scrambles |
| 00:41.34 | Guest56949 | coruja: no go :( |
| 00:41.40 | coruja | Guest56949, if there are any docs to read on their site, you should read |
| 00:44.49 | Guest56949 | coruja: https://wiki.debian.org/Arduino |
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| 00:45.25 | coruja | erm, why then install not from debian sources? |
| 00:45.26 | Guest56949 | it says debian has had issues with the arduino people what do they mean by this ? |
| 00:45.50 | coruja | The license term of some parts of the source is the blocker. |
| 00:46.08 | happygilmoregent | what is decent video card |
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| 00:46.31 | happygilmoregent | my Nvidia 6150SE keeps crashing when using nouveau |
| 00:47.42 | happygilmoregent | GEForce 6150SE nforce 430(rev a2) is my card and doesn't matter what resolution or refresh rate crashes |
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| 00:48.39 | coruja | Guest56949, try to uninstall the package from their site and install debian's package |
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| 00:51.46 | Guest56949 | coruja: the debian package wil install and run strangely enought he issues is its 1.0 and i need 1.84 to flash the esp 8266 boards |
| 00:52.10 | Guest56949 | coruja: ive been dealing with this problem for weeks i even posted on the arduino forums with no luck :( |
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| 00:56.31 | coruja | Guest56949, as far as i read the executable is in a subdir called arduino-<version> of where you unpacked the tar.gz (what you should have read too: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/Linux) |
| 00:57.46 | coruja | and this is already beyond debian support, btw ;) |
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| 00:59.33 | coruja | and btw2, 3rd party install scripts are one source of evil |
| 01:01.52 | happygilmoregent | how do I make sure nouveau is blacklisted because nvidia-detect says it would be supported by nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
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| 01:03.08 | coruja | happygilmoregent, if your nvidia driver is ready to run, you may simply uninstall the nouveau driver |
| 01:04.06 | la-o-wai | is it perhaps i am giving too few memory to the vm if it cant load the window manager |
| 01:04.19 | happygilmoregent | so apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and then apt-get purge nouveau.? |
| 01:06.09 | coruja | la-o-wai, may be |
| 01:06.24 | happygilmoregent | so when I reboot will it load nvidia or nouveau? |
| 01:06.35 | coruja | happygilmoregent, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is the nouveau driver package |
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| 01:06.42 | Guest56949 | coruja: ive already read the arduino site man |
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| 01:07.25 | kerrhau | anyone here use tint2? |
| 01:08.05 | Guest56949 | coruja: running the binary just gives java: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error |
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| 01:09.16 | happygilmoregent | but if I purge nouveau. will it reboot with the nvidia driver for X or nouveau? |
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| 01:11.19 | DieMonkeys | question, I'm trying to remote into my Tinker Board running debian to the GUI, I get as far as the Xorg login thing, put in user and pass, then I just get a blue screen |
| 01:11.37 | coruja | Guest56949, and why let you me look for the executable and read websites when you know where it is? so again, this is rather a case for arduino support then |
| 01:11.37 | DieMonkeys | I can putty into cli, what can I put in there so that I can remote into the gui? |
| 01:12.19 | coruja | happygilmoregent, if you have purged nouveau, it can't load nouveau (of course) |
| 01:12.26 | DieMonkeys | remoting in from windows |
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| 01:15.25 | Guest56949 | coruja: your assuming i know what im doing I thought when you run the install it puts it somewhere else on the computer |
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| 01:16.27 | coruja | Guest56949, that's the bad about 3rd party install scripts, they usually hide what they actually do |
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| 01:17.09 | Guest56949 | coruja: I assume debian wont upgrade the apt for a good reason arduino must be upt to no good with the IDE |
| 01:17.24 | Guest56949 | I cant imagine debian just boycotting them for the heck of it |
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| 01:18.00 | coruja | debian can be very strict concerning licensing issues |
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| 01:19.38 | uxfi | ding-dong; ding? |
| 01:19.52 | ding-dong | dong ding, dong? |
| 01:19.56 | ding-dong | ding dong dong ding? |
| 01:20.02 | ding-dong | deeeeennnnggggggg |
| 01:20.03 | uxfi | the old witch is dead |
| 01:20.12 | coruja | !ot |
| 01:20.12 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:20.27 | ding-dong | dpkg: tldr |
| 01:20.27 | dpkg | Too long, didn't read. |
| 01:20.33 | ding-dong | exactly |
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| 01:20.44 | uxfi | tldr |
| 01:20.45 | petn-randall | ding-dong: Do you need help with Debian? If not, there are better places to hang out. |
| 01:21.21 | ding-dong | petn-randall: Do you need help with Debian? If not, there are better places to hang out. |
| 01:23.00 | petn-randall | Must be really boring living around Atlanta right now. |
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| 01:24.45 | kerrhau | does anyone know why this is happening with tint2? https://imgur.com/a/itm1P |
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| 01:27.05 | happygilmoregent | so how "stable" by debian stretch? |
| 01:27.39 | happygilmoregent | I understand that it is the dev branch but are things in vanilla debian that are unstable but better/patched in stretch? |
| 01:28.23 | mason | happygilmoregent: Stretch is the stable release now. It should be suitable for production servers. |
| 01:28.34 | happygilmoregent | ok |
| 01:29.12 | happygilmoregent | I'm on 8.9 how do I get to stretch? |
| 01:29.43 | happygilmoregent | brb wish me luck |
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| 01:32.04 | carlosjunior | hi folks, i had instaled packet tracer 7.1 on Deb9, but when i start i receive the message "starting packet tracer" and didnt open PT |
| 01:32.19 | carlosjunior | can help-me? |
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| 01:33.46 | mason | carlosjunior: You'd need to provide some more detail, like what packages you're trying to use. Maybe use a pastebin to capture some (anonymized, please!) detail. |
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| 01:34.24 | carlosjunior | ok |
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| 01:35.14 | mason | I tend to use bpaste.net but there's a Debian-specific one as well - digging through scrollback to see what it is. |
| 01:35.41 | mason | paste.debian.net |
| 01:35.56 | coruja | !paste |
| 01:35.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:36.12 | mason | That. Thank you again. |
| 01:36.39 | mason | !weather |
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| 01:37.06 | mason | Right, already tried that. I'd like to find it again as I'll inevitably want to run Testing on something before too long. |
| 01:38.03 | mason | FWIW, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable points to https://qa.debian.org/dose/ but I'm remembering something tabular. |
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| 01:38.33 | mason | I'll ask on #debian-next tomorrow. |
| 01:38.45 | carlosjunior | mason, https://pastebin.com/Wp3vkd6K i had do this |
| 01:39.27 | carlosjunior | mason, receive the message but PT not open |
| 01:39.37 | mason | carlosjunior: If you could use bpaste or one of the ones noted in !paste I'd be grateful. I avoid pastebin.com given their forcing us to run their JavaScript. |
| 01:39.58 | carlosjunior | ok |
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| 01:41.11 | carlosjunior | mason, https://bpaste.net/show/12aed1f53c29 |
| 01:41.47 | mason | looking |
| 01:42.30 | mason | carlosjunior: Ah. That's interesting. I'm not sure what that is or where you got it, but hopefully it's a trustworthy source. |
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| 01:42.40 | coruja | mason, do you mean this? https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/testing_main/index.html |
| 01:43.15 | mason | carlosjunior: If you want to grab packet captures, Debian ships tcpdump and wireshark. |
| 01:43.52 | mason | coruja: Yes! That's the one. Thank you. I couldn't find it anywhere. Bookmarking. |
| 01:43.55 | carlosjunior | mason, i want to learn about networks and study to CCNA |
| 01:44.20 | mason | carlosjunior: I'd strongly suggest looking at (and installing, from Debian) both tcpdump and wireshark, then. They're what you'll find folks using. |
| 01:44.51 | mason | Wireshark in particular has a nice GUI interface that'll let you narrow down to particular conversations, and you can decode particular protocols, etc. |
| 01:45.15 | mason | (Wireshark also has tshark, a command-line variant.) |
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| 01:45.50 | mason | coruja: Oh, evidently I didn't dig deeply enough into dose/ |
| 01:46.34 | carlosjunior | mason, i had tested on ubuntu 14.04 and works normally but i am newbie, i not understand whats missing |
| 01:47.03 | mason | carlosjunior: hard to say - that seems like something Debian doesn't ship. But you'll be doing yourself a favour trying Wireshark and tcpdump. |
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| 01:47.57 | carlosjunior | mason, ok i will try. thanks |
| 01:48.38 | mason | In any event, I need to bail for the night. Good night, all! |
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| 01:52.30 | ding-dong | fuck the queers |
| 01:52.37 | ding-dong | such idiots |
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| 01:54.45 | bazhang | !ops | ding-dong |
| 01:54.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:55.00 | ding-dong | !ops | http://imgur.com/Y5Y5r1J |
| 01:55.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ding-dong complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:55.03 | ding-dong | http://imgur.com/ehmtV9T |
| 01:55.03 | ding-dong | http://imgur.com/Y5Y5r1J |
| 01:55.04 | ding-dong | http://imgur.com/ehmtV9T |
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| 02:04.13 | EnchanterTim | I am running Debian Jessie, and I logged into my system today after a month and the GTK dialogs shows squares instead of English |
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| 02:06.03 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/9KgYhNm.jpg |
| 02:06.06 | EnchanterTim | It's like so |
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| 02:06.34 | EnchanterTim | I am not sure how to fix, I can't read a box |
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| 02:08.49 | EnchanterTim | Is Jessie still supported? |
| 02:09.04 | bazhang | !jessie |
| 02:09.04 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.8>. |
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| 02:10.56 | EnchanterTim | who made the bot say this? |
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| 02:11.03 | EnchanterTim | I never saw a person. |
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| 02:11.28 | annadane | bazhang did. |
| 02:12.02 | dvs | no, the bot is psychic! |
| 02:12.14 | annadane | but yes, jessie is still officially supported until june 2018 |
| 02:12.19 | EnchanterTim | upgrading my os to 8.8 |
| 02:12.25 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 02:12.29 | EnchanterTim | and after that what happens? |
| 02:12.47 | annadane | !lts |
| 02:12.47 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:12.51 | EnchanterTim | does anyone still help with it or not? I dont' see any reason to upgrade to a new debian |
| 02:12.52 | annadane | ^ that happens |
| 02:13.07 | EnchanterTim | new debian often breaks many things in my .dotfile configs and .config and all that. |
| 02:13.14 | EnchanterTim | new versions of programs. I dn't really need them. |
| 02:13.20 | EnchanterTim | I'm okay with old things. |
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| 02:13.37 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 02:14.12 | EnchanterTim | I checked my locales and all that, it's us utf8, but I still see boxes |
| 02:14.28 | EnchanterTim | not all of the gtk shows boxes, only file open dialog box |
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| 02:15.17 | somiaj | is it only in the file names? |
| 02:15.46 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/9KgYhNm.jpg |
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| 02:16.17 | EnchanterTim | looks like ok/cancel etc. buttons also messed up |
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| 02:16.32 | somiaj | unsure what the issue could be. One test with de stuff is to create a new user and see if the new user has the same issue. Lots of times it is a misconfiguration in $HOME |
| 02:17.39 | EnchanterTim | It doesn't happen inside the gimp program file /open,or geary |
| 02:17.53 | EnchanterTim | it happens in the chrome file/open dialog box, but it's a google packet. |
| 02:17.56 | somiaj | that could just be gtk3 and not gtk2 then |
| 02:18.04 | EnchanterTim | I see |
| 02:18.20 | EnchanterTim | what's a gtk2 app I can test |
| 02:18.37 | somiaj | I think gimp is gtk2 |
| 02:18.49 | somiaj | chromium and system stuff will be gtk3 |
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| 02:19.35 | EnchanterTim | GSmartControl 0.8.7 |
| 02:19.40 | EnchanterTim | i think stha'ts gtk2 |
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| 02:20.32 | happygilmoregent | now have purged nouveau and have installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and now my X won't start |
| 02:21.11 | happygilmoregent | when I attempt to start as a regular user it says Xf86OpenConsole cannot open /dev/tty0 |
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| 02:24.01 | EnchanterTim | check the /var/log/Xorg something log file for errors |
| 02:24.22 | EnchanterTim | /var/log/Xorg.0.log I think |
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| 02:25.37 | happygilmoregent | no errors in it |
| 02:26.02 | EnchanterTim | does chromium play netflix? |
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| 02:26.54 | somiaj | not by default in debian, you'll need the widevine plugin which isn't packaged for debian. google-chrome comes with it by default |
| 02:26.59 | EnchanterTim | usually open things lack drm stuff |
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| 02:27.26 | somiaj | ,v chromium-widevine |
| 02:27.28 | judd | Package: chromium-widevine on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch-proposed-updates/contrib: 60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; stretch-security/contrib: 60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; buster/contrib: 60.0.3112.78-1; sid/contrib: 61.0.3163.100-2 |
| 02:27.35 | EnchanterTim | that is why i am using chrome. I would happily switch to chromium if netflix |
| 02:27.38 | somiaj | hmm, guess it is in stretch, nevermind. That should be enough |
| 02:27.40 | happygilmoregent | fixed it thanks |
| 02:27.52 | EnchanterTim | happygilmoregent: what was it? |
| 02:28.05 | somiaj | EnchanterTim: I htink you can install the plugin from contrib. |
| 02:28.18 | EnchanterTim | somiaj: ok |
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| 02:35.05 | EnchanterTim | I can't get it to show fonts. it will only show box characters |
| 02:35.29 | EnchanterTim | chromium works. |
| 02:35.39 | EnchanterTim | I guess I waste time on netflix anyway. Time to stop. |
| 02:38.47 | Arahael | Netflix is supposed to work in Safari, too, so it must not be chrome specific. |
| 02:38.48 | EnchanterTim | I h ave jessie contrib and non-free but I have no widewine plugins |
| 02:39.12 | Arahael | Also, why not update to Stretch? |
| 02:39.32 | EnchanterTim | I'm very old. |
| 02:39.55 | Arahael | EnchanterTim: A curious statement. |
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| 02:41.10 | EnchanterTim | It replaces all my old apps with new ones, who have new config files, and locations for config files, and then everything goes to hell and I have to reconfigure everything. |
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| 02:41.36 | EnchanterTim | I don' want to do this. I am happy with old programs. |
| 02:41.52 | EnchanterTim | this is not in jessie contrib. |
| 02:42.07 | EnchanterTim | Maybe I can backport it from sid contrib. |
| 02:42.13 | EnchanterTim | or just grab the package, kt's probably just an .so file |
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| 02:42.38 | coruja | EnchanterTim, when you dist-upgrade (and not reinstall) all your configs keep untouched |
| 02:43.05 | EnchanterTim | sure, but the new programs expect differnt locations for configs |
| 02:43.45 | coruja | and it's less replace old with new apps but update to new versions of apps |
| 02:44.19 | bazhang | firefox for linux has long had netflix |
| 02:44.33 | bazhang | is that what you wanted? |
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| 04:12.22 | eck | it looks like my systemd user session isn't working... |
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| 04:12.58 | annadane | eck, you've found the correct room |
| 04:13.05 | kajika | I hope this is the right place to ask : I can't get fstab option right to have write access, I'm using 'UUID=FED7-F528 /share vfat,user,rw,exec utf8 0 2' (and tried many more like uid=1000,gid=1000,umask,...). but the permission keep on being `-rwxr-xr-x` for every file. Anyone knows this issue? (debian buster) |
| 04:13.12 | themill | eck: what are you doing and what happens? |
| 04:13.24 | annadane | kajika, buster/sid go in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:13.30 | eck | $ systemctl --user status |
| 04:13.32 | eck | Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory |
| 04:13.36 | eck | i would like that not to return an error |
| 04:13.37 | kajika | annadane, ok thank you |
| 04:13.40 | themill | eck: run in what context? |
| 04:13.48 | eck | run from a bash shell |
| 04:13.54 | kajika | annadane, well it is on invitation only |
| 04:14.06 | themill | eck: running in what context? |
| 04:14.12 | eck | an ssh session |
| 04:14.19 | kajika | Do you think fstab changed for buster? |
| 04:14.29 | themill | eck: you can't connect (directly) to systemd from ssh |
| 04:14.42 | annadane | kajika, irc.oftc.net, not freenode |
| 04:15.11 | eck | what do you mean? i've doneit before |
| 04:15.35 | themill | *shrug* it's not supposed to work and doesn't |
| 04:15.41 | eck | how are you supposed to administer a system if you can't communicate with systemd |
| 04:15.49 | themill | system *user* |
| 04:15.53 | themill | +d |
| 04:16.05 | kajika | mount is still 2.29 regardless |
| 04:16.17 | themill | dpkg: tell kajika about vfatrw |
| 04:16.41 | eck | what context can you talk to a systemd user session from then? |
| 04:16.53 | themill | eck: from within a user session |
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| 04:17.36 | themill | you can probably connect to a user session with «export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$UID"; export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="unix:path=${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/bus"» |
| 04:18.16 | eck | i got it working |
| 04:18.22 | eck | you need to install libpam-systemd |
| 04:18.25 | eck | and reboot the host |
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| 04:19.26 | eck | and i have no idea how an ssh session would be different from a "user" session anyway |
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| 04:38.48 | alekz | Hi, is there any official setup to enable hibernation in Stretch? The wiki only shows steps for Jessie and Lenny. |
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| 04:42.43 | RoyK | kajika_: did you try to set umask=000 ? |
| 04:42.46 | happygilmoregent | http://paste.debian.net/987949/ |
| 04:42.52 | happygilmoregent | someone help me with this? |
| 04:43.46 | RoyK | happygilmoregent: try #perl |
| 04:43.47 | kajika_ | RoyK, yes, not working, mounting manually works though (uid=1000), after the ls output still shows no write permission but in fact I can |
| 04:44.08 | kajika_ | (so the write permission is set for user just not for group and other) |
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| 04:44.48 | RoyK | kajika_: oh - vfat |
| 04:44.57 | RoyK | I loathe that fs |
| 04:45.00 | happygilmoregent | ok |
| 04:45.03 | RoyK | don't know, sorry |
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| 04:45.44 | kajika_ | I shouldn't have used vfat it seems, it's hard to find a cross-platform fs |
| 04:45.48 | themill | not really sure what #perl is going to do with a question about packages |
| 04:46.39 | RoyK | kajika_: that's the problem - but then, setting up a small fileserver for sharing stuff is easier and far cleaner, albeit a bit more work (and cost) |
| 04:47.05 | themill | kajika_: it would be handy to see real config and real output |
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| 04:48.28 | kajika_ | real config : https://pastebin.com/T5As6zWh (l.11, it's commented out now) |
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| 04:49.04 | kajika_ | output is pretty simple (jsut no sweet w in the ls -l only '-rwxr-xr-x') |
| 04:49.23 | themill | that line is very wrong |
| 04:49.24 | RoyK | kajika_: erm - type should be vfat, the options should be in the next column |
| 04:49.38 | themill | (check what dpkg told you earlier) |
| 04:50.04 | RoyK | kajika_: where you have utf8, you should have utf8,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw |
| 04:50.13 | RoyK | no need for rw, though, it's default |
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| 04:50.53 | kajika_ | seems like the syntax changed as it would get errors with the old syntax (with the type before options) |
| 04:51.17 | RoyK | kajika_: that line was wrong 20 years ago |
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| 04:52.49 | RoyK | the fstab syntax hasn't changed in 30+ years |
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| 04:55.04 | RoyK | kajika_: still, it's quite human to make mistakes, we all do it, all the time :) |
| 04:55.39 | themill | you can give a comma-separated list of possible fstypes to use in field 3 so it would have to deal with all those fs types that don't exist (because they are actually options not fs types), presumably by ignoring them since the first option worked out |
| 04:55.54 | kajika_ | RoyK, ok I got it the utf8 with put as option I though about a new syntax shenanigan |
| 04:56.01 | kajika_ | thank you it works |
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| 04:57.29 | RoyK | kajika_: goodie :) |
| 04:59.05 | RoyK | wonders how many times he's rebooted a machine and found something fishy in fstab not making it boot correctly - a fair few times :P |
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| 05:01.33 | RoyK | kajika_: btw, is this a dual boot system? |
| 05:02.05 | kajika_ | RoyK, yes |
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| 05:03.32 | RoyK | kajika_: ok - my suggestion is still as I said - get an old crappy pc or something, stuff some disks in it, preferably with a raid, and make it a file server, and store the files there, and for gods' sake, setup some backup of your data |
| 05:03.43 | RoyK | and thus, you have your data in a secure place |
| 05:03.56 | RoyK | no need for friggin' fat anymore |
| 05:04.21 | RoyK | and those old pc's - I guess you can find one at a dump or something |
| 05:04.47 | RoyK | just my 2c. |
| 05:05.33 | kajika_ | Yes I know but this is the work place, we have NAS but I can't use them casually to share stuff (also I'm sharing music...) |
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| 05:08.13 | RoyK | kajika_: heh - torrent@work? I guess my boss would be talking to me if I did that ;) |
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| 05:10.16 | kajika_ | No the music I own no torrent here |
| 05:11.28 | RoyK | I see |
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| 06:33.57 | AciD` | guys |
| 06:34.14 | AciD` | do you also get hash mismatch on the http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 repo? |
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| 06:36.01 | AndreasLutro | I don't, but have seen several others mention the same problem |
| 06:36.09 | jelly | no, but it's possible just one mirror is affected |
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| 07:02.27 | tdn | I use isc-dhcpd and I have set the search option to have client get the dns search suffix for my local network name. However, when clients go from another network and back to mine, the search option from their previous network stays in their /etc/resolv.conf. How do I fix this? |
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| 07:21.13 | ChrisH | tdn: The IP changes but the DNS stuff stays the same? If they connect initially the data is as expected? |
| 07:22.16 | tdn | ChrisH, correct. the IP changes but DNS stays from the old network. And if I boot up a completely new machine, freshly installed that has never been on a network before and connect it to my network everything works. |
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| 07:23.37 | tdn | ChrisH, http://paste.yt/p6335.html <- this is my dhcpd.conf |
| 07:24.55 | tdn | ChrisH, also: the nameserver option DOES get updated for the clients. Only the search is missing |
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| 07:26.28 | format_c | tdn as far as I know, it heavily depends on the dhcp client implementation honoring this option |
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| 07:29.20 | ChrisH | format_c,tdn that was what I was heading to. I compared with my dhcpd config an it looks similar. This is not a server side question but a client side question. |
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| 07:31.25 | format_c | I've tried this just recently. Apparently the Apple IOS honors this. |
| 07:31.47 | format_c | On Linux, I reckon, you've to explicitely allow it in the dhcpcd.conf |
| 07:32.15 | tdn | format_c, both servers and clients are debian 9 |
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| 07:32.53 | tdn | format_c, what do I need to allow in dhcpd.conf? The actual search setting IS in dhcpd.conf?? |
| 07:33.07 | format_c | I'm just looking.... |
| 07:33.35 | tdn | And since the client DOES get a different search option from the other network I am assuming that the client does allow this option to be set. But appearently only when it comes from the other network. |
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| 07:33.42 | tdn | The other network is a Windows network btw. |
| 07:34.26 | format_c | You mean the DHCP is served by a Windows DHCP server. |
| 07:34.47 | format_c | So in my dhclient.conf, the domain-search option is requested, hence honored. |
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| 07:35.20 | format_c | Have you checked, that the option comes around in the OFFER and ACK from the DHCP server? |
| 07:35.37 | tdn | format_c, on the network where the option works and stays on the client it is a windows dhcp, yes. |
| 07:35.43 | Iridos | does it write a different nameserver to resolv.conf? |
| 07:35.48 | tdn | format_c, how to check that |
| 07:35.59 | tdn | Iridos, the windows one does. |
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| 07:37.07 | tdn | This is dhclient.conf from client: http://paste.yt/p6336.html |
| 07:37.15 | tdn | As far as I can see it does request domain-search |
| 07:37.57 | tdn | Is it a problem that I have two search suffixes specified? |
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| 07:39.34 | Iridos | well, does calling dhclient -v from the console, show anything interesting? |
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| 07:47.10 | juser1720 | i cannot use desktopsharing under stretch gnome. the sharing screen says me there would be no networks. |
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| 07:47.34 | juser1720 | i fact i just discovered that I can connect to the internet but the network manager says to me lan is not connected |
| 07:47.37 | juser1720 | what could be the reason? |
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| 07:48.33 | jelly | gnome probably only looks at networkmanager api for connections, but your network may be configured via /etc/network/interfaces or wicd or something else |
| 07:49.47 | juser1720 | this is my interfaces file: https://pastebin.com/XrrbJiV2 |
| 07:49.59 | juser1720 | is this the reason? |
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| 07:54.14 | jim | you have two ifaces for the same interface |
| 07:54.37 | jim | you might want to try commenting out the second one (last line) |
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| 07:55.58 | jim | the way things worked before and maybe still work, is interfaces mentioned in the interfaces file get ignored by network-manager |
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| 07:56.47 | jim | argh, gone |
| 07:58.36 | tdn | Iridos, this is dhclient -v http://paste.yt/p6337.html |
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| 08:41.07 | mcepl | Hi, greetings from the Fedora land! I am the upstream maintainer of M2Crypto and I wonder I am expected to find OpenSSL configuration files. It is /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/openssl/opensslconf.h right on one version of Debian and /usr/include/openssl/opensslconf.h on other, right? |
| 08:41.22 | mcepl | (from M2Crypto ticket https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/m2crypto/issues/174) |
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| 08:43.41 | [worksti] | im trying to install php-pdo-mysql on my jessie, but no such package seems to exist, where can i find what name its hiding under ? |
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| 08:44.25 | babilen | [worksti]: "apt-cache search php pdo mysql" -- Or do you know the name of a file contained in that package? |
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| 08:44.48 | [worksti] | babilen: i do not, and that yields no results |
| 08:45.50 | babilen | It doesn't? |
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| 08:46.50 | [worksti] | it does not |
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| 08:47.14 | terry_ | hi |
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| 08:47.24 | babilen | judd: info php5-mysql |
| 08:47.25 | judd | No package named 'php5-mysql' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 08:47.30 | babilen | judd: info php5-mysql --release=jessie |
| 08:47.31 | judd | Package php5-mysql (php, optional) in jessie/amd64: MySQL module for php5. Version: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; Size: 64.4k; Installed: 255k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 08:47.38 | terry_ | I have a problem with my Debian 9.1.0 gnome install |
| 08:47.39 | [worksti] | even though i know there is a package named php5-mysql that contains the stuff for php5 |
| 08:47.42 | babilen | [worksti]: Could it be that ^^^^ |
| 08:47.47 | [worksti] | no, i use php7 |
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| 08:48.10 | [worksti] | so youd think that for the current php, it would be php-mysql, but nope |
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| 08:48.11 | babilen | [worksti]: php7 isn't in jessie |
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| 08:49.01 | [worksti] | oh, blasted |
| 08:49.05 | [worksti] | stupid docker image |
| 08:49.10 | terry_ | I have a problem with my Debian 9.1.0 gnome install. It won't read the needed firmware from my USB flash drive. I used the rufus DD image option to make the Debian USB bootable |
| 08:49.11 | [worksti] | thanks, that explains that at least |
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| 08:49.35 | terry_ | the USB with firmware and boot USB are two different USBs. for clarification |
| 08:49.54 | babilen | [worksti]: The question is: Where are the packages from that are installed? But I'd recommend to use a stretch based image if you require php7 |
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| 08:50.17 | babilen | judd: v php7.0-mysql |
| 08:50.18 | judd | Package: php7.0-mysql on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.19-1; buster: 7.0.22-3; sid: 7.0.22-3 |
| 08:50.27 | babilen | [worksti]: On stretch you have ^^^ |
| 08:51.05 | terry_ | anyone know what could be causing my problem? |
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| 08:51.30 | [worksti] | babilen: im using the official docker php image, i guess it has a different system to include 'libs' for php |
| 08:51.34 | [worksti] | reading up on that now |
| 08:51.37 | babilen | terry_: You can't use two different USBs for that, but there are installer images with firmware |
| 08:51.42 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 08:51.43 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 08:52.22 | babilen | [worksti]: You might have to use pecl, but see what they offer. In Debian it is a clear cut case :) |
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| 09:17.19 | debuser4345 | Hello i have some warning of missing firmwares: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3 |
| 09:17.38 | debuser4345 | Is something that can be solved easily or if i leave it as it it could create me problems ? |
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| 09:18.15 | debuser4345 | This is the full message: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a9ea5325/ |
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| 09:24.49 | jelly | debuser4345: if your wired ethernet works without the firmware, you can safely ignore that |
| 09:24.50 | petn-randall | debuser4345: Installing firmware-misc-nonfree should resolve this. You can check the package shipping a file with 'apt-file search /path/to/file'. |
| 09:24.50 | Shadur | debuser4345: You'll need to install firmware-linux-nonfree if my memory serves. |
| 09:25.00 | jelly | ,v firmware-tg3 |
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| 09:25.43 | Shadur | That said, what petn said -- if your network is working without, you don't need it. |
| 09:26.27 | jelly | debuser4345: in fact, there can be new bugs when you add the firmware if the driver automatically switches various hardware offload functionality (that cam sometimes be buggy) |
| 09:26.33 | Shadur | jelly: The specific one for the broadcom tg3 is firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 09:26.40 | jelly | s/switches/enables/; |
| 09:27.05 | jelly | yeah. bnx2 is separate for some reason. |
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| 09:51.59 | oo_miguel | can I list the apt packages that come from a specific repo? |
| 09:52.23 | oo_miguel | or do not come from any repo but are installed directly from a .deb file? |
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| 10:04.08 | guest_ | dpkg source.list |
| 10:04.08 | dpkg | guest_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:04.25 | guest_ | dpkg tell sources.list |
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| 10:04.59 | dpkg | no idea, guest_ |
| 10:05.10 | guest_ | dpkg: sources.list |
| 10:05.10 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:11.56 | sn00p | Hello, I am trying to install debian 9 graphical install and when I get to network configuration area It search for my wifi adapter it shows, but it has problems exchanging the keys for it any idea what might be causing it? |
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| 10:17.08 | petn-randall | sn00p: Which installation image are you using? |
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| 10:17.17 | sn00p | amd64 |
| 10:17.19 | sn00p | dvd |
| 10:17.19 | sn00p | iso |
| 10:17.30 | sn00p | stretch |
| 10:17.57 | petn-randall | sn00p: Hmm, what link did you use? |
| 10:18.05 | sn00p | the one on their website |
| 10:18.25 | petn-randall | sn00p: There are images with and without firmware. Unfortunately most wifi adapters need firmware to work. |
| 10:18.55 | petn-randall | sn00p: There are about a dozen images per architecture. |
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| 10:21.22 | petn-randall | sn00p: Can you paste the link you used? |
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| 10:24.50 | guest_ | hello |
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| 10:25.16 | guest_ | i installed jessie last night, and now the touchpad is not responding |
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| 10:25.32 | guest_ | the installation was done from a DVD |
| 10:25.58 | guest_ | it wasn't wroking in gnome, so i installed kde, and still not moving |
| 10:26.30 | guest_ | debhelper: help |
| 10:26.44 | guest_ | dpkg: sources.list jessie |
| 10:26.44 | dpkg | guest_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:26.58 | guest_ | dpkg: jessie sources.list |
| 10:26.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:51.16 | petn-randall | guest_: What laptop is this? If it's fairly new, it might be better to the current stable, stretch (Debian 9.1), instead of oldstable. |
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| 10:58.27 | koris | does anyone here know why it would be that, using a linux kernel compiled without IPv6 support, a computer might still be assigned an IPv6 address? |
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| 10:59.09 | Dagger | ...okay, I realize this doesn't directly answer your question, but: we're in 2017, not 1997. it is time to be compiling your kernels with v6 support |
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| 11:02.11 | petn-randall | koris: What are the kernel options called you disabled? |
| 11:02.31 | tugrik | it'll be installed as a module koris ? |
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| 11:05.29 | koris | petn-randall: Networking Support -> Network options -> The IPv6 protocol |
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| 11:06.54 | koris | answered N to "The IPv6 protocol" |
| 11:07.06 | petn-randall | koris: Btw, why do you want to *not* compile the support? |
| 11:07.31 | petn-randall | (there are easier ways to disable IPv6) |
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| 11:08.20 | koris | cutting the kernel size down. what are these easier ways? |
| 11:08.38 | petn-randall | koris: Just disabling it via kernel boot parameter. |
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| 11:09.04 | petn-randall | koris: I doubt that one kernel module will make any noticeable difference |
| 11:09.11 | kopper | Or sysctl.conf |
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| 11:16.45 | koris | what do you mean when you say that you doubt that one kernel module will make any noticeable difference? without IPv6 support in the kernel, shouldn't the system be unable to use IPv6? |
| 11:17.27 | FinalX | seconds what Dagger said |
| 11:17.42 | FinalX | you should be fixing your stuff and get IPv6 working already, it's 2017.. not 1997 |
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| 11:19.44 | koris | I mean I get what you're saying but I don't really have much interest in discussing whether or not I should be using IPv6 |
| 11:20.46 | FinalX | no, but you are asking a question that has nothing to do with the purpose of this channel either |
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| 11:21.24 | Iridos | tdn, hm, yeah⦠sadly it's not saying what it receives⦠you probably have to use tcpdump to see if the reply contains the search string or not⦠if it works with a different dhcp server, that already strongly suggests that it's a difference in the server reply⦠either it's not sending the info or it's sending it differently |
| 11:21.50 | koris | you're correct FinalX and sorry but I don't really know what would be a better place to ask it |
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| 11:22.24 | koris | as far as not just relevance but also activity goes |
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| 11:24.24 | abrotman | koris: what problems is IPv6 causing you? |
| 11:24.40 | Iridos | hm, no idea⦠there is just a flag in /proc or /sys to disable ipv6⦠I don't think I've seen someone yet trying to completely remove it from the kernel |
| 11:25.04 | Iridos | we do hae a factoid on that⦠|
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| 11:28.34 | Iridos | and my whole university is also still on ipv4⦠something with the big routers not fully supporting ipv6 or something⦠there seems really little point in telling people they should buy different infrastructure for some million ⬠instead of changing the config of new hosts |
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| 11:32.05 | koris | abrotman are you asking that to help me find a better way to address the problem or to convince me to use IPv6? it probably suffices to say that there is not only a need to be conservative with kernel size but also the fact that it is useless for me because nothing on my network supports IPv6 anyway, and there are also personal reasons to avoid making the computer capable of using IPv6 that will not be discussed, sorry. making the system be unable to get |
| 11:32.05 | koris | an IPv6 address is probably the most important objective |
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| 11:36.03 | jim | usually drivers are compiled as modules |
| 11:37.01 | jim | at least in debian... whose kernel images contain kernels with every possible module compiled |
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| 11:37.59 | jim | koris, personal reasons aside, what are the technical reasons? |
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| 11:38.40 | sypher | That is the most misguided crap I've heard in a long time. |
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| 11:40.44 | koris | I'm confused. the technical reasons are that the network does not support it which makes it useless, and a need to save space, which I already said. sorry, I'm not trying to be confrontational or whatever |
| 11:41.20 | sypher | First: Do you have a switch? If yes, then your network supports IPv6 for link-local traffic. |
| 11:41.31 | sypher | Second: This is not going to save you the space that you think it is. |
| 11:41.37 | sypher | Third: Just no. |
| 11:42.52 | jim | third would be a personal objection and judgement, and perhaps they don't belong |
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| 11:43.31 | sypher | Nope, gonna stick by that one. It's 2017, almost 2018, and people are still asking how to disable IPv6 as if that is actually a proper course of action. |
| 11:43.53 | abrotman | wonders what personal reasons one would have for avoiding IPv6 .. |
| 11:44.16 | jim | yeah me too |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | "I dislike that if I have three IPs, I've created the mark of the beast" |
| 11:44.27 | jonfatino | that's because these so called "network admins" can't get there ***** together. |
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| 11:44.49 | __[0_0]__ | O.o |
| 11:44.59 | jonfatino | 1/2 networks out there can download over ipv6 but can't upload. Breaks routes and then people get all mad and disable ipv6 because routing is messed up |
| 11:45.07 | jim | tew many starz |
| 11:45.31 | __[0_0]__ | you can successfully support ip6 at your edge doesn't stop the internet from being held together with bubblegum :) |
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| 11:45.46 | koris | whether it is proper or not does not really concern me. anyway, perhaps you're right about the technical reasons, but still, I feel like maybe none of you actually know the answer to why a system might be getting IPv6 addresses when the kernel was compiled without support for it |
| 11:45.47 | sypher | That's what BGP stands for. Bubble Gum Protocol. |
| 11:45.51 | __[0_0]__ | LOL |
| 11:45.56 | __[0_0]__ | sypher: <3 |
| 11:45.58 | koris | if you said you don't know or that you won't answer from the start then I would have just left |
| 11:46.45 | __[0_0]__ | can you really strip ipv6 from the kernel, I dont think thats right |
| 11:46.50 | sypher | koris: Or perhaps we have pretty strong convictions about NOT guiding people through doing stupid things. If you are so convinced that you need to do this, despite our technical reasoning, then you should be able to handle it on your own. |
| 11:46.54 | __[0_0]__ | You can toggle some sysctls |
| 11:47.15 | cantus | are there an iptables masters? |
| 11:47.24 | koris | well, thank you for your time then |
| 11:47.26 | sypher | __[0_0]__: Absolutely. This is a Rube Goldberg solution, except that Rube Goldberg machines generally work. |
| 11:47.33 | __[0_0]__ | >.< |
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| 11:47.39 | __[0_0]__ | TIL :3 |
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| 11:47.48 | sypher | cantus: What's your actual question? |
| 11:47.56 | Zitter | hi, is there a way to download streaming from netflix using command line? |
| 11:48.07 | sypher | cantus: Sorry, that sounded harsh. What issue do you have with iptables? |
| 11:48.38 | sypher | cantus: Please don't PM me. Ask here. |
| 11:48.50 | ddybing | Zitter: Not that I know of. That would be a copyright violation. |
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| 12:07.49 | cantus | sypher, there is a problem: i have a VPN server in the local net, i need to gain access to it from outside |
| 12:09.19 | tommaso | m.com |
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| 12:09.35 | gpunk | cantus: forward a port |
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| 12:17.02 | abrotman | oh, he left .. I might ahve been able to help him .. oh well |
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| 12:19.29 | Sayona | Hi. how can I install flash player on debian 8? |
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| 12:20.03 | gpunk | Sayona: do you have contrib and non-free enabled in the repo ? |
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| 12:22.51 | Sayona | no |
| 12:23.15 | gpunk | please enble them, then it s a matter of apt install ... |
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| 12:24.34 | Sayona | E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate |
| 12:24.59 | gpunk | did you do apt update ? |
| 12:25.02 | Sayona | yes |
| 12:25.25 | gpunk | hmm |
| 12:25.36 | gpunk | i am not sure you migh need backports now ... |
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| 12:26.23 | themill | it's completely broken |
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| 12:27.10 | at0m | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:27.11 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7 |
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| 12:27.32 | at0m | even adobe suggest to remove flash eh |
| 12:28.17 | gpunk | I use pepperflash ... |
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| 12:30.57 | Rashad | Anyone knows how to scale gnome to a percent of the normal size? |
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| 12:32.04 | gpunk | you may change the DPI of the fonts ? |
| 12:32.16 | Rashad | I tried, but the icons remain the same size. |
| 12:32.23 | Rashad | I really would like to downscale everything. |
| 12:32.37 | Rashad | I heard it's an experimental feature in gnome 26 |
| 12:32.53 | Rashad | 3.26* |
| 12:33.08 | Rashad | But I only installed debian yesterday and I can't figure out how to update to that |
| 12:33.28 | gpunk | ,v gnome |
| 12:33.29 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.22+5; sid: 1:3.22+5 |
| 12:33.43 | Rashad | It's not available yet? |
| 12:33.49 | gpunk | nope :( |
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| 12:34.12 | Rashad | Is there any way I can achieve downscaling even if through replacing GNOME or something? |
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| 12:36.40 | CaptainQuirk | Hi people |
| 12:37.18 | CaptainQuirk | I'm on debian 8.4 |
| 12:37.31 | CaptainQuirk | I'm trying to add ondrej/php ppa as a repository source |
| 12:37.39 | CaptainQuirk | I import the key |
| 12:37.45 | CaptainQuirk | I try an apt-get update |
| 12:37.51 | kopper | Don't do it man |
| 12:37.54 | kopper | Don't |
| 12:38.01 | CaptainQuirk | and I get Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 12:38.10 | CaptainQuirk | kopper, any alternative then ? |
| 12:38.33 | kopper | Nah sorry, just being counterproductive |
| 12:39.00 | tdn | Iridos, but if it works sometimes (if the client has not been on a different network) I assume that it IS sending it correctly, no? |
| 12:39.17 | tdn | Iridos, otherwise it should never work. |
| 12:39.39 | CaptainQuirk | kopper, I would have laughed you know, if we weren't stuck on our jenkins machine |
| 12:39.40 | kopper | 404 error seems rather straightforward to troubleshoot though, the url doesn't point to anything that apt understands as repository |
| 12:39.53 | tdn | Iridos, I just noticed that it also does not update search suffix for Windows clients. |
| 12:39.59 | CaptainQuirk | kopper, that may be but how can I fix that ? |
| 12:40.04 | CaptainQuirk | I added the ppa |
| 12:40.26 | tdn | Iridos, so maybe I am specifying the option incorrectly in dhcpd.conf. But I cannot find anything about the search option in man page for dhcpd.conf. |
| 12:40.29 | sypher | CaptainQuirk: Is that PPA actually compatible with Debian? |
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| 12:41.05 | CaptainQuirk | sypher : navigating on the ppa page, I see that there are no options for debian |
| 12:41.08 | CaptainQuirk | only for ubuntu |
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| 12:41.09 | sypher | CaptainQuirk: Being that it's a PPA, I'm going to say no. Because there is no "debian" directory. Why are you trying to use an Ubuntu PPA for Debian? |
| 12:41.17 | sypher | CaptainQuirk: That's a good indicator that you're doing something wrong. ;) |
| 12:41.37 | CaptainQuirk | sypher, I've been looking for alternative ways to install php7 on debian |
| 12:41.42 | CaptainQuirk | can't find any for the moment |
| 12:41.45 | tdn | With isc-dhcpd, how do I specify a dns search suffix for my clients to use? I have tried doing this: http://paste.yt/p6335.html but for some reason my clients (Windows) seem to ignore the domain-search option. |
| 12:41.56 | sypher | CaptainQuirk: Upgrade to stretch? |
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| 12:42.25 | sypher | CaptainQuirk: But in general, do not use Ubuntu PPAs on Debian. |
| 12:42.28 | sypher | !frankendebian |
| 12:42.28 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 12:44.11 | Rashad | Debian suffers, like all other linux distros I saw or tried, from an identity crisis. |
| 12:44.14 | CaptainQuirk | sypher, I try another method : https://www.colinodell.com/blog/2016-12/installing-php-7-1 |
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| 12:44.48 | CaptainQuirk | but it seems that my prior attempt at adding the ubuntu ppa still lingers somewhere |
| 12:44.49 | Rashad | Default apps and visual environments change too often. |
| 12:44.56 | FinalX | use deb.sury.org's repositories imo, he's mainly focusing on Ubuntu, but they work excellently for Debian, and are very widely used. |
| 12:45.17 | FinalX | (don't use dotdeb.org anymore, he already said he was stopping and has already failed in the past to roll out security fixes in a timely fashion) |
| 12:45.20 | ForceRecon | I have been asking around, but not found any answer yet.. Is there any way to use kindle books from amazon on linux when there are no choices in the dropdown list on amazon for cloud reader? I don't want a hard cover and I really dont want to read it on my phone. Any port of any kind that mimics something or other |
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| 12:45.30 | sypher | Following random blog posts, or installing packages from sury or any other repo, is also going to lead you to a Frankendebian situation. |
| 12:45.46 | FinalX | ah, that URL CaptainQuirk gave also recommends sury.org, good. |
| 12:45.54 | CaptainQuirk | FinalX, that's what I have now in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/php.list : `deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ jessie main` |
| 12:46.10 | CaptainQuirk | but I still have an error on apt-get update |
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| 12:46.17 | CaptainQuirk | is there something I need to purge ? |
| 12:46.24 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: What are you trying to achieve? Install PHP7? |
| 12:46.31 | CaptainQuirk | petn-randall, yep |
| 12:46.35 | FinalX | or just upgrade to stretch and stick with its native 7.0 so you get to lift on the security and bug fixes from the Debian (LTS) team if it's an important site |
| 12:46.44 | FinalX | petn-randall: stretch has 7.0 natively :p |
| 12:46.46 | CaptainQuirk | FinalX, I can't unfortunately |
| 12:46.51 | CaptainQuirk | it's a CI server |
| 12:46.54 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: Remove that file then, after that apt-get update should be fine. |
| 12:46.57 | CaptainQuirk | it needs both version |
| 12:47.03 | CaptainQuirk | petn-randall, which file ? |
| 12:47.16 | FinalX | in that case, yeah, stick with deb.sury.org, _and_ with 7.0 so you can switch back to stretch's native 7.0 after you upgrade without much fuss. |
| 12:47.20 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: You can install PHP5 and PHP7 in parallel in Debian, you have to find another way. |
| 12:47.29 | petn-randall | *can't* |
| 12:47.31 | FinalX | you can |
| 12:47.43 | petn-randall | FinalX: With sury? Wouldn't recommend that. |
| 12:47.53 | FinalX | didn't say I'd recommend it either, but you can :) |
| 12:47.57 | CaptainQuirk | ok, just to move on |
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| 12:48.09 | CaptainQuirk | how can I remove this reference to the ubuntu ppa |
| 12:48.10 | gpunk | you can install them, but in apache enable just one at a time |
| 12:48.14 | FinalX | the php7.* packages don't have overlapping files |
| 12:48.20 | CaptainQuirk | i don't find it |
| 12:48.26 | CaptainQuirk | not in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:48.34 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: Show us the error you get? |
| 12:48.37 | FinalX | CaptainQuirk: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 12:48.41 | CaptainQuirk | already did |
| 12:49.21 | CaptainQuirk | i meant, petn-randall i already showed the error |
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| 12:49.37 | CaptainQuirk | in sources.list.d I have a php.list and an ondrej-php-jessie.list |
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| 12:50.14 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: I don't see a paste link with the error. |
| 12:51.00 | CaptainQuirk | the error didn't register for me as "paste it" since it's just one sentence |
| 12:51.03 | petn-randall | CaptainQuirk: You can use https://paste.debian.net to show the complete 'apt-get update' run. |
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| 12:51.43 | FinalX | 'deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ jessie main' is exactly what I have on our jessie containers, where I run PHP 7.1.. and it's not giving me a 404 |
| 12:51.44 | CaptainQuirk | petn-randall, I guess I could but I think I found myself capable of selecting only the relevant part |
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| 12:51.48 | CaptainQuirk | maybe I was wrong |
| 12:51.55 | CaptainQuirk | in the mean time I did it |
| 12:52.03 | petn-randall | Context always helps |
| 12:52.03 | CaptainQuirk | for the record, I'm not running apache on this server |
| 12:52.22 | CaptainQuirk | I'm just building an archive of a project with its dependencies with composer |
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| 12:53.47 | FinalX | CaptainQuirk: what you specified earlier should work just fine, but http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages does indeed not exist. and it shouldn't, as it has /ubuntu/ in it instead of debian. I think you might have a duplicate line somewhere. Try: grep -r ondrej /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 12:54.15 | CaptainQuirk | FinalX, I found it |
| 12:54.21 | CaptainQuirk | already |
| 12:54.26 | CaptainQuirk | "in the mean time I did it" |
| 12:54.26 | FinalX | okay |
| 12:54.35 | CaptainQuirk | thanks y'all |
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| 12:58.38 | Rashad | What is the name of the software on linux that allows for complex window animations for example upon window move? |
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| 12:59.23 | elc79 | hi guys, Linux has a commando to show the init service? |
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| 12:59.29 | themill | Rashad: prety much every single window manager has those capabilities |
| 12:59.50 | Rashad | I just want to downscale everything. |
| 12:59.53 | Rashad | Not only the fonts. |
| 13:00.13 | gpunk | you can change the size of the icons too |
| 13:00.18 | Rashad | How? |
| 13:00.30 | gpunk | i have no idea , i switched to kde :) |
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| 13:00.46 | Rashad | Can I install unity on Debian? |
| 13:00.59 | gpunk | ,v unity |
| 13:01.00 | judd | No package named 'unity' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:02.05 | petn-randall | elc79: "ls -l /sbin/init" |
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| 13:03.21 | elc79 | petn-randall: and to show the name of my init service? (OpenRC, SysV, SystemD...) |
| 13:04.04 | petn-randall | elc79: What output do you get? |
| 13:04.31 | elc79 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40728 feb 12 2017 /sbin/init |
| 13:04.43 | petn-randall | elc79: What OS do you have installed? |
| 13:04.48 | petn-randall | *OS release |
| 13:04.54 | elc79 | Debian 9 |
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| 13:05.30 | ForceRecon | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45127527/can-we-install-unity-on-debian |
| 13:06.01 | petn-randall | elc79: Normally this is a symlink to your init. What does "file /sbin/init" say? |
| 13:06.40 | elc79 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.40 | gpunk | elc79: query /sbin/init with your package manager :) |
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| 13:16.07 | elc79 | with dpkg? |
| 13:16.21 | gpunk | yes |
| 13:16.25 | gpunk | or apt-file |
| 13:17.18 | elc79 | gpunk, i dont have apt-file |
| 13:17.25 | gpunk | you can install it |
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| 13:17.31 | gpunk | apt install apt-file |
| 13:17.38 | elc79 | haha yes |
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| 13:19.14 | petn-randall | elc79: What does "dpkg -l systemd-sysv" return? |
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| 13:19.39 | petn-randall | and "dpkg -l sysvinit-core"? |
| 13:20.30 | elc79 | un systemd-sysv <ninguna> <ninguna> (no hay ninguna descripción dispo |
| 13:20.48 | elc79 | ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9 amd64 System-V-like init utilities |
| 13:21.07 | petn-randall | elc79: Then you have sysv init. |
| 13:21.26 | elc79 | OpenRC :-\ |
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| 13:25.27 | gpunk | I used this on my system dpkg --search /sbin/init ... |
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| 13:27.45 | at0m | hi, i got like 40 dbus-daemon processes running as desktop user. i take it that's not normal? and when i launch stuff from a terminal, X apps complain about not finding dbus.. |
| 13:28.14 | elc79 | gpunk, /sbin/init point to sysvinit |
| 13:28.15 | gpunk | abnormal |
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| 13:28.22 | at0m | my guess, each X app started from menu launches its own dbus-daemon |
| 13:28.35 | gpunk | at0m: |
| 13:28.37 | at0m | .. on this machine, others don't have that |
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| 13:29.16 | gpunk | elc79: mine on systemd ... |
| 13:30.08 | elc79 | gpunk, i followed to remove systemd, some people says "why do you install Devuan?"... |
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| 13:30.31 | gpunk | ... |
| 13:30.36 | elc79 | well, i want to use Debian Stretch and Devuan is a variant of Debian Jessie |
| 13:31.04 | petn-randall | elc79: Is there a reason you want to use openrc/sysv init? It's a lot less well-tested than systemd. |
| 13:31.05 | gpunk | I didnt know that |
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| 13:31.52 | elc79 | petn-randall, Yes, i prefer not to use systemd :) |
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| 13:32.21 | petn-randall | elc79: I understand, I'm asking if there is a reason though. |
| 13:32.33 | petn-randall | Or what your reasoning is. |
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| 13:33.37 | elc79 | petn-randall, just an alternative, that's is the reason |
| 13:34.26 | petn-randall | elc79: Ok, nevermind then. /usr/share/doc/openrc/README.Debian should have any steps needed to get it to run. |
| 13:35.47 | elc79 | petn-randall, there is a process to exclude systemd and then you can use a repository with alternatives to the systemd dependencies |
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| 13:36.07 | petn-randall | elc79: That wouldn't be Debian anymore, then. |
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| 13:36.28 | elc79 | it's Debian with a extra repository |
| 13:37.15 | petn-randall | elc79: Again, if you remove core packages from Debian and replace it with something else, that would make it some other distro, or a Frankendebian, and that system wouldn't be supported in here anymore. |
| 13:37.20 | at0m | !devuan |
| 13:37.20 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 13:37.22 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 13:38.30 | elc79 | It's only a way to remove systemd and work only with other init service |
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| 13:39.01 | BlueHoodie | I thought linux was about choice thats why 900000 text editors exist. |
| 13:39.01 | elc79 | I know i can install sysv, openrc and work with this keeping systemd |
| 13:39.03 | petn-randall | elc79: The easier and supported way is to just install the init system you want from Debian and use that. |
| 13:39.27 | armin | BlueHoodie: linux used to be about freedom of choice before systemd, yes. |
| 13:39.29 | petn-randall | BlueHoodie: Sure, but you don't get to call of of those variants Debian. |
| 13:40.07 | petn-randall | BlueHoodie: If you take testing, slap some pentesting tools in it and call it Kali, it'll only get support in #kali-linux, and not here. |
| 13:40.07 | elc79 | but i don't want systemd, it's a matter of freedom, what i choose and i don't choose |
| 13:40.19 | petn-randall | BlueHoodie: Same goes if you remove/replace packages from Debian and call it Devuan. |
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| 13:40.42 | petn-randall | elc79: No one is stopping you? We still get to choose what we support in here and what not, though. |
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| 13:41.19 | armin | it's actually pretty hard to replace systemd with something other nowadays, unfortunately. |
| 13:41.22 | elc79 | petn-randall, but i can make a call, no? |
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| 13:41.42 | mason | I'm missing a subtlety of the argument. It's possible to avoid systemd while using only Debian-supplied packages. Are we talking about doing it another way? |
| 13:41.53 | elc79 | why Debian forces the user to use SystemD? |
| 13:42.01 | mason | elc79: It doesn't force that. |
| 13:42.10 | mason | It suggests it and defaults to it, but it doesn't force it. |
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| 13:42.11 | petn-randall | elc79: So if you install and use openrc on your Debian stretch, that is fine and you'll continue getting support in here. If you start replacing core packages from 3rd party repos, that is when you stop getting help for your system in here. |
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| 13:42.57 | petn-randall | elc79: Nobody is forcing systemd onto you, I don't know why you keep repeating that. |
| 13:43.01 | elc79 | mason, you can't have Debian without systemd, try it and you'll see what happens with udisk2 and policykit |
| 13:43.13 | BlueHoodie | what is the advantage of init over systemd besides NSA boogieman |
| 13:43.16 | mason | elc79: not everything needs those. |
| 13:43.43 | petn-randall | BlueHoodie: Can you come back to reality please? |
| 13:44.16 | elc79 | mason, the first time i removed systemd, i didn't used any extra repository, and when i installed Xfce i didn't had power controls |
| 13:44.26 | jelly | BlueHoodie: sysvinit is simple and easier to understand. And also quite a bit less capable |
| 13:44.28 | BlueHoodie | petn-randall: only 1-2 year linux user here i honestly dont know. Ive only heard systemd is bloated but ive heard it makes troubleshooting easier |
| 13:44.33 | mason | elc79: Something that *would* be useful, though, would be a Debian maintainer stepping up and offering an alternateive policykit package. I'm not altogether sure why this doens't exist today, but it seems like a bit of work and it's done. |
| 13:44.37 | elc79 | i can't use shutdown, reboot, buttons |
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| 13:44.56 | themill | elc79, mason, BlueHoodie: please stop. This is not going anywhere. |
| 13:45.05 | mason | elc79: Ah. So, the difference here is that I don't use one of the big desktop environments. Yes, it's a blocker if you do. |
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| 13:45.35 | BlueHoodie | themill: im just curious if its something i shojuld be looking in to for my debian box |
| 13:45.41 | mason | themill: Sure it is. You can have a perfectly usable environment using only things Debian ships. That seems productive... Isn't it? |
| 13:45.47 | petn-randall | mason: The reason is because nobody stepped up to do it. sysv init has quite some limitations, after all it's basically over 30 years old and IT systems changed a lot since then. |
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| 13:46.09 | jelly | BlueHoodie: these underlying components are invisible in daily use on a workstation |
| 13:46.48 | mason | jelly: When issues do come up they can be much, much harder to resolve. |
| 13:47.21 | jelly | mason: that's when you file bugs reports and ask the maintainer for help |
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| 13:47.44 | BlueHoodie | jelly: thanks |
| 13:47.49 | mason | jelly: Hm, I opted for generating the giant SVG and learning about drop-in configs, but that's a good point. |
| 13:48.48 | elc79 | mason, you don't user that DE, that cool, but what happen with the people who want to use that DE and don't want to have systemd? |
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| 13:49.21 | mason | elc79: I noted, yes, that'd be a blocker for them, which is why it might be nice for someone to maintain a compatible policykit. I'd recommend talking to the sysvinit maintainers. |
| 13:49.24 | jelly | elc79: they live with reduced functionality, file bug reports and help fix it. |
| 13:49.36 | petn-randall | elc79: They start putting in patches to support that. It's all about freedom, right? Freedom doesn't mean that you get to tell what other people should be doing. |
| 13:49.48 | jelly | elc79: I use xfce on stretch, and don't care about the poweroff or logoff buttons. |
| 13:50.01 | elc79 | are you sure jelly? i have Gentoo and i never had an issue with OpenRC |
| 13:50.19 | jelly | elc79: we're talking about options within Debian |
| 13:50.25 | mason | elc79: This is an opportunity for you to volunteer time and code and make Debian better. |
| 13:50.54 | jelly | elc79: if you're using something else, good for you, but perhaps this discussion isn't for you then |
| 13:51.06 | elc79 | mason, i can't do that, i'm not a developer |
| 13:51.30 | themill | That doesn't mean you get to tell me how I spend the time I volunteer for Debian. |
| 13:51.35 | mason | Well, then offer monetary incentive for someone to do it. |
| 13:51.51 | mason | There are no insuperable road blocks here. |
| 13:51.55 | elc79 | jelly, i used Debian for the first time 14 years ago |
| 13:52.04 | mason | Hey, me too. :) |
| 13:53.24 | elc79 | Debian is one of my fav distros |
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| 13:53.46 | themill | It's not a particularly relevant stat (and also one you're not going to win on). |
| 13:54.15 | elc79 | i'm not trolling you, but we can talk for alternatives |
| 13:54.23 | petn-randall | ( Doesn't mean they've been using it in those years in between ... ) |
| 13:54.51 | mason | elc79: The solution is there. You've identified code needed for a purpose. You can do it or sponsor it somehow. |
| 13:54.59 | elc79 | for me it's strange that Debian offers to use other init service, but if you remove systemd the you have a problem. |
| 13:54.59 | themill | elc79: #debian is for user support. If you want to contribute to debian development, patches go via the bts. |
| 13:55.51 | elc79 | themill, you are part of the Debian team? |
| 13:55.57 | mason | backs away from the circlular argument. |
| 13:55.59 | petn-randall | elc79: We've already had this discussion hundreds of times in this channel. Many people talk about it, but I yet have to see someone contribute with code to make the support of sysv init better again. |
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| 13:56.38 | petn-randall | elc79: I think you have a core misunderstanding what systemd is. You can use any other init system as PID1 without problems. Just because there's a systemd library on your system doesn't mean you're using systemd. |
| 13:57.18 | at0m | right... i still have older installs that dist-upgraded and have both systemd and sysv eh |
| 13:57.35 | at0m | probably not howto do it, but both work ok =) |
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| 13:58.11 | petn-randall | elc79: You can of course go through the extra effort of recompiling things so they don't link against any systemd libraries, but that is extra work no DD really is interested in spending time with (there are more important issues than that). |
| 13:58.42 | elc79 | it depends of your point of sight |
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| 13:59.53 | petn-randall | elc79: And if you look at Devuan, they've been *talking* for years now, and only recently managed to release a systemd-free "jessie". It's ironic that the Debian jessie release supported sysv init out of the box, though. |
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| 14:00.48 | petn-randall | So by all means, go forward with your plan, but I recommend spending more time on doing actual packaging work than complaining in this channel about it, because we've already had enough of that. |
| 14:00.57 | elc79 | petn-randall, yes, living alongside systemd |
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| 14:01.53 | jelly | petn-randall: they've actually spent time setting up infrastructure, so their stretch is already usable |
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| 14:03.03 | mason | Is there apt-file usable yet? |
| 14:03.10 | mason | their* omg, need coffee |
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| 14:03.31 | elc79 | mason, yes, i installed that package before |
| 14:03.34 | jelly | mason: no idea, but ask in #debianfork or #devuan |
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| 14:03.50 | jelly | why would it not be, that works with any repo |
| 14:04.02 | mason | Eh, it was broken as of a few weeks ago. I'm not interested in Devuan. |
| 14:04.15 | jelly | (well, any repo that has Contents files generated) |
| 14:04.16 | mason | Their repositories were set up badly. Try actually *using* apt-file. :P |
| 14:04.29 | themill | .o0( so back to Debian user support ) |
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| 14:04.32 | mason | Anyway, coffee. |
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| 14:10.49 | Druid | hello. Would anybody help me set up pavucontrol? |
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| 14:10.57 | Druid | Currently I have to manually change the volume by opening pavucontrol when using devices other than speakers |
| 14:11.04 | Druid | (speakers' volume can be changed using F2 and F3) |
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| 14:11.12 | Druid | how can I set such a hotkey for my headphones? |
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| 14:13.43 | mason | Druid: Depends on your environment, but you can bind keys to a script and use something like dzen2 to note the actual volume. I do that here. There's probably an easier way if you're running one of the big desktop environments. |
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| 14:14.55 | Druid | mason: I'm using bunsenlabs. Which is basically debian + openbox. |
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| 14:15.20 | mason | Druid: Ah. Yeah, I use openbox here. Just bind a key in your openbox config. |
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| 14:16.39 | mason | Druid: An ugly example script I bind here: https://bpaste.net/show/f971d17b5a9a |
| 14:17.24 | at0m | Druid: using volumeicon on fluxbox to set volume |
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| 14:20.21 | Druid | mason, that script seems complicated. |
| 14:20.32 | Druid | at0m, could you share your keybind ? |
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| 14:21.01 | mason | Druid: You're welcome. |
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| 14:21.44 | Druid | mason, thanks |
| 14:21.52 | petn-randall | !bunsenlabs |
| 14:21.52 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
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| 14:22.44 | at0m | Druid: well volumeicon is an app, apt install volumeicon. my conf is at https://paste.debian.net/988001/ |
| 14:23.09 | at0m | i don't see why bunsenlabs, instead of debian netinstall and add openbox to that eh |
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| 14:25.06 | at0m | Druid: but it's very small footprint, 157k uncompressed. oh, and it's called volumeicon-alsa |
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| 14:30.31 | Druid | at0m, thanks. |
| 14:30.51 | Druid | I'll reboot now |
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| 14:34.17 | petn-randall | Darkros3: covfefe? |
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| 14:35.19 | DieMonkeys | so I can't get my Tinker Board running debian to automount network hard drives, I have to manually do it every time I boot |
| 14:35.24 | DieMonkeys | I've tried editing init.d |
| 14:35.28 | DieMonkeys | erm, rc.localk |
| 14:35.30 | DieMonkeys | -k |
| 14:35.42 | DieMonkeys | and fstab |
| 14:35.50 | Darkros3 | help |
| 14:35.54 | petemc | fstab should be all you need |
| 14:35.54 | DieMonkeys | tried doing this: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/27179/automatic-mounting-of-nas-drive-fails |
| 14:36.12 | jelly | DieMonkeys: which debian release? |
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| 14:36.36 | DieMonkeys | what's the command to see that, uname something? |
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| 14:37.02 | petn-randall | DieMonkeys: You can paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' to https://paste.debian.net. |
| 14:37.34 | DieMonkeys | it's the special tinker board flavor of stretch I guess |
| 14:37.39 | DieMonkeys | petn-randall, give me a moment |
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| 14:38.50 | DieMonkeys | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/08c9087e/ |
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| 14:40.01 | Brigo | DieMonkeys, buff. |
| 14:40.36 | DieMonkeys | Brigo, buff? |
| 14:41.07 | petn-randall | DieMonkeys: That would be Debian stretch (9.1) |
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| 14:42.51 | DieMonkeys | so the lines I have my in fstab look like this: |
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| 14:43.42 | DieMonkeys | //192.168.x.x/media1/TV /nas/tv cifs username= ,password = ,iocharset=utf8,_netdev,x-systemd.automount 0 0 |
| 14:44.07 | DieMonkeys | there is no username or password for my drives |
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| 14:51.26 | elc79 | i want to ask you to forgive me if i did something bad |
| 14:51.44 | elc79 | i said Debian is one of my favs distros, and it's true |
| 14:52.09 | elc79 | Debian will be one of my favs distros even with systemd ;) |
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| 15:11.21 | DieMonkeys | well, I've gotten so far as to have it ask me for passwords (even though there isn't one) |
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| 15:11.44 | MCErroneous | Hi , how do i save gnome-tabs ? I getting error when doing a "gnome-terminal --save-config=/tmp/cfg.. |
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| 15:12.09 | sypher | DieMonkeys: That's because passwords are required. |
| 15:12.11 | MCErroneous | save |
| 15:12.20 | DieMonkeys | sypher, but in the CLI I can just hit enter |
| 15:12.21 | DieMonkeys | amd ot |
| 15:12.23 | DieMonkeys | and it's fine |
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| 15:13.17 | MCErroneous | on gnome-terminal... |
| 15:13.25 | sypher | DieMonkeys: Oh, that's why. fstab is space delimited. Remove ALL spaces between username and the end of the options field. |
| 15:13.57 | sypher | /192.168.x.x/media1/TV /nas/tv cifs username=,password=,iocharset=utf8,_netdev,x-systemd.automount 0 0 |
| 15:14.13 | DieMonkeys | let me try that |
| 15:14.21 | DieMonkeys | I just added a username/password to simplify things |
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| 15:17.13 | DieMonkeys | sypher, filled in as you suggested, and when I sudo mount -a it works great |
| 15:17.17 | DieMonkeys | but it's not doing it at boot |
| 15:17.30 | DieMonkeys | could it be attempting to do it before it has a network connection? |
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| 15:17.56 | sypher | Not with _netdev in there. |
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| 15:21.13 | sypher | DieMonkeys: Are you trying to use automount for a reason? |
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| 15:21.26 | DieMonkeys | sypher, yeah, it's a plex server |
| 15:21.45 | sypher | So? |
| 15:21.53 | sypher | Specifically the "x-systemd.automount" option. Why? |
| 15:22.11 | DieMonkeys | I don't want to have the power blurb out in the middle of the day because I live in a terrible rural place, then come home after a long day of work, try to access plex and not get anything |
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| 15:22.21 | DieMonkeys | or worse, I'm out on the road trying to queue up some music |
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| 15:22.26 | DieMonkeys | but the same thing happened |
| 15:22.42 | DieMonkeys | and I can't get access to any of my music until I get home and type "mount -a" |
| 15:23.00 | sypher | rubs his temple. |
| 15:23.05 | jelly | DieMonkeys: how is the network configured? |
| 15:23.30 | jelly | /etc/network/interfaces, or systemd-networkd, or NetworkManager or? |
| 15:23.31 | DieMonkeys | jelly, well, it's plugged into the ethernet port |
| 15:23.47 | DieMonkeys | that I don't know, plug and play |
| 15:24.11 | DieMonkeys | sypher, I put that x-systemd option in because that's what I found on google |
| 15:24.27 | DieMonkeys | I want the drives to mount at boot so I don't have to deal with it manually |
| 15:24.39 | DieMonkeys | especially when I'm not available to deal with it manually |
| 15:24.40 | sypher | That's not necessary to have a mount come up on boot. |
| 15:24.53 | jelly | sypher: what IS necessary? |
| 15:25.02 | DieMonkeys | sypher, I'm good at following MOPs |
| 15:25.06 | DieMonkeys | I'm not a linux guy |
| 15:25.12 | DieMonkeys | but I'm good at following direction |
| 15:25.21 | DieMonkeys | so, I google stuff |
| 15:25.25 | sypher | jelly: Specifically, the x-systemd automount option isn't necessary. |
| 15:25.26 | DieMonkeys | and with an RPI it works great |
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| 15:25.39 | DieMonkeys | but I want to be able to do 1080p so I bought a Tinker Board |
| 15:25.49 | DieMonkeys | which is different enough that the RPI MOPs aren't perfect |
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| 15:26.14 | sypher | DieMonkeys: Remove the x-systemd part. That's not doing you any favors based on your stated objective. |
| 15:26.24 | jelly | sypher: what IS necessary? |
| 15:27.30 | sypher | jelly: CIFS URI, local mount path, fs type, creds, the _netdev option, and the dump and pass fields? |
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| 15:28.06 | sypher | Wait. |
| 15:28.15 | sypher | Don't CIFS URIs start with TWO slashes? |
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| 15:28.20 | kion | when I turn on my laptop I have the login options 'x-11 default, Gnome and Gnome Classic' what are the differences between these? |
| 15:28.23 | sypher | /IP/stuff? |
| 15:28.29 | sypher | sighs at his client. |
| 15:28.33 | jelly | <DieMonkeys> //192.168.x.x/media1/TV /nas/tv cifs username= ,password = ,iocharset=utf8,_netdev,x-systemd.automount 0 0 |
| 15:28.55 | DieMonkeys | except I took out the automount stuff now |
| 15:28.59 | DieMonkeys | still works with sudo mount -a |
| 15:29.01 | sypher | Yeah, weechat just snarfed the first slash. |
| 15:29.07 | DieMonkeys | but doesn't do it on it's own |
| 15:29.22 | sypher | DieMonkeys: Anything in dmesg that would indicate why? |
| 15:29.36 | sypher | jelly: Is "auto" in the default options list for cifs? |
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| 15:30.55 | DieMonkeys | http://paste.debian.net/988009/ |
| 15:32.26 | jelly | sypher: no idea |
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| 15:33.00 | jelly | systemd's handling of fstab is not 100% compatible with sysvinit wrt auto, anyway |
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| 15:33.31 | b-04 | hi! i have a debian with 2 eth, and cant connect to ssh with public ip |
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| 15:33.50 | DieMonkeys | [ 10.703155] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -101 |
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| 15:34.21 | b-04 | I have a debian server with two network cards, one is lan and the other has ip publish. I can not connect to ssh by ip publish, it's as if it's closed. but I have to listen to 0.0.0.0:22 |
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| 15:34.37 | jelly | b-04: which debian release? Where is network configured? make sure you only have one (default) gateway, for a start |
| 15:35.14 | sypher | DieMonkeys: And now it's time to figure out what that means. |
| 15:35.30 | b-04 | jelly: thanks. i have debian 8.5, the network config is... |
| 15:35.30 | DieMonkeys | indeed it is |
| 15:35.32 | b-04 | wait please |
| 15:35.37 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:35.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:36.20 | DieMonkeys | some guy in 2011 said it's because it's attempting to mount before the network is available |
| 15:36.28 | DieMonkeys | which is why I had the netdev stuff in there |
| 15:36.43 | b-04 | jelly: https://pastebin.com/pUp8486d :) |
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| 15:38.54 | b-04 | through the lan plate I connect well. but for the public ip I did not arrive. |
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| 15:39.48 | jelly | b-04: you have two "gateway" lines. this will not worki. |
| 15:40.03 | Brigo | b-04, mabye it is closed bye the firewall |
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| 15:40.37 | jelly | b-04: comment out the gateway line for eth0 |
| 15:40.54 | b-04 | jelly: is that I need to have two gateways because one is for the lan card that has to communicate with other lan networks. and another is for the internet outlet |
| 15:41.01 | DieMonkeys | brb |
| 15:41.41 | jelly | b-04: wrong. You need _routes_ to communicate with networks. And you need one default gateway. |
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| 15:42.43 | DieMonkeys | so, sypher, basically I want the NAS drives to mount after the network has become available |
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| 15:42.53 | _aeris_ | hello #debian ! |
| 15:42.58 | DieMonkeys | since it's attempting to do so prior to network availability |
| 15:42.58 | jelly | b-04: there are two options possible. The more complex one is to use linux' policy based routing. The less complex one is to set up a couple explicit routes for the other internal networks, going via 192.168.0.201 |
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| 15:43.49 | _aeris_ | what's the best versionning scheme to allow CI/nightly build without conflicting official releases ? |
| 15:44.26 | b-04 | jelly: very thanks man. i love |
| 15:44.35 | mason | you |
| 15:44.38 | _aeris_ | You can just generate timestamped version, but conflict with the future release, asking for the end user to manually uninstall nightly before installing official release :s |
| 15:44.48 | b-04 | jelly: I had problems at work because of this. thank you very much |
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| 15:45.52 | jelly | b-04: eg. if all your lan segments are under 192.168.x.y, you might do something like this: http://paste.debian.net/988012/ |
| 15:46.18 | jelly | b-04: having two gateway lines is almost never a valid configuration |
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| 15:47.07 | b-04 | jelly: I understand, I have a lan lan 10.0.0.x and another 192.168.0.x. I will create static routes to these networks with the default gateway of lan, and then I will use for the rest the internet gateway |
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| 15:47.33 | jelly | yep |
| 15:47.46 | petn-randall | _aeris_: CI/nightly builds of what? |
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| 15:48.03 | jelly | b-04: just add more post-up commands if need be |
| 15:48.04 | _aeris_ | petn-randall > packages under my ownership :) |
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| 15:49.04 | _aeris_ | currently, i just generate timestamped debian version like 2.2017.09.26.15.10.15 |
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| 15:50.17 | _aeris_ | but when i release an official version, this versionning scheme conflict with the official version (saying 1.0.0), and so package will not upgrade to new release if not forced by the user (1 < 2017) |
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| 15:51.22 | jelly | _aeris_: the best is probably: use a different package name and Conflicts: officialone |
| 15:51.40 | jelly | if that is feasible. |
| 15:51.46 | _aeris_ | hum |
| 15:52.05 | petn-randall | _aeris_: You could name them 1.0.0~20170926, the "~" will always compare lower to anything else in the version number. But what jelly said. If you have nightlies + official packages, you have more upgrade paths to think about. |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | _aeris_: that way you don't have to care about official or distro version jumping over yours |
| 15:52.31 | jelly | at some point in the future |
| 15:52.37 | jelly | you also avoid epoch wars |
| 15:53.21 | _aeris_ | jelly > official or distro version will be at the end manage by myself too (i hope official debian inclusion) |
| 15:53.49 | _aeris_ | and so, i look for a versionning allowing users to switch from official to nightly or the reverse without uninstall |
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| 15:54.45 | _aeris_ | allowing user to fetch and install package from my nightly repos if needed, but having next official release "automagically" when official release |
| 15:55.01 | jelly | _aeris_: I'd say provide foo-stable and foo-nigthly packages |
| 15:55.02 | makeway | Hey, how do I use true color with the xfce4 terminal? |
| 15:55.53 | jelly | _aeris_: why is avoiding uninstall a big deal? |
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| 15:56.15 | _aeris_ | jelly > lost of data, config change⦠|
| 15:56.56 | jelly | _aeris_: by debian policy, package removal does not wipe config changes, and should not wipe data either |
| 15:57.17 | jelly | _aeris_: if it does that for you, then your package is not good enough yet |
| 15:57.37 | _aeris_ | not good at this time |
| 15:57.42 | jelly | package purge, on the other hand, is used specifically to get rid of config |
| 15:58.01 | _aeris_ | and depending of not compliant 3rd party debian packages at this time :( |
| 15:58.35 | jelly | _aeris_: don't wipe data at package removal. Put data in the right place. It's not that hard. |
| 15:58.42 | jelly | !mentors |
| 15:58.42 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 15:59.03 | _aeris_ | jelly > i will look for mentoring in a short time :) |
| 15:59.11 | _aeris_ | (i already have names :P) |
| 15:59.12 | jelly | ^^ those people will have more concrete suggestions on achieving it |
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| 15:59.35 | jelly | yeah, you can still ask questions in their channel :-) |
| 15:59.41 | _aeris_ | currently, i depend of couchdb which is clearly not compliant at all |
| 16:00.02 | jelly | is it packaged yet or at least in experimental? |
| 16:00.04 | _aeris_ | and have go dependencies, not easily packagable⦠|
| 16:00.08 | _aeris_ | not at all |
| 16:00.11 | jelly | fun |
| 16:00.14 | DieMonkeys | still can't find a way to have my tinkerboard wait for network on boot |
| 16:00.23 | DieMonkeys | on rpi it's just an option in the gui interface you can tick |
| 16:00.52 | jelly | _aeris_: so you can't avoid wiping data, but you're 100% positive going back and forth from stable to nightly will be 100% compatible? :-) |
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| 16:01.08 | jelly | color me skeptical! |
| 16:01.27 | _aeris_ | jelly > trouble is not to wipe data, but to manage config compatibility |
| 16:01.59 | _aeris_ | stable -> nightly will be addressed by design (i have to manage this on my production) |
| 16:02.15 | jelly | _aeris_: and nightly -> stable? |
| 16:02.44 | _aeris_ | so by design, you can do 1.0.0 (stable), 1.0.0~1 (night), 1.0.0~2 (night), 1.0.1 (stable) without trouble |
| 16:03.02 | jelly | well, if you package both, and you keep version numbers rising monotonically, you can use whatever versioning you like |
| 16:03.04 | _aeris_ | nightly -> stable will be trickier |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly | eg. adopt the semantic versioning thing, or anything sane |
| 16:03.47 | _aeris_ | trouble is to find a monotonic versionning scheme easily automatisable with dch + CI |
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| 16:04.13 | jelly | even stable, odd + datettime devel? |
| 16:04.18 | jelly | or whatever |
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| 16:04.24 | _aeris_ | I will do some tests for ~timestamp, seems a good way to achieve this |
| 16:05.11 | _aeris_ | next-version is already on the scm and can be queried with dpkg-parsechangelog, and timestamp can be generated by CI |
| 16:05.18 | jelly | 1.0.0 stable, 1.0.1.2017.09.27.16.04.00 nightly, 1.0.1.2017.09.27.16.04.45 nightly, 1.0.2 stable |
| 16:05.45 | jelly | 1.0.0~1 is lower than 1.0.0 |
| 16:06.05 | _aeris_ | i don't have hands on upstream versionning and i prefer to have debian version closed to this version |
| 16:06.18 | jelly | what does upstream do |
| 16:06.24 | LiENUS | so i guess i missed the option to install a mta when installing stretch? whats the default mta? |
| 16:06.34 | jelly | LiENUS: exim4-daemon-light |
| 16:06.39 | _aeris_ | upstream is semver |
| 16:06.46 | jelly | right |
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| 16:07.10 | _aeris_ | and this is why i will use the NEXT version for the CI |
| 16:07.15 | LiENUS | jelly, thats what i want for local only mail then? |
| 16:07.26 | jelly | LiENUS: oh hell no :-) |
| 16:07.33 | LiENUS | what do i want for that? |
| 16:07.46 | LiENUS | my jessie system looks like its on bsd-mailx |
| 16:07.48 | jelly | LiENUS: no remote delivery of any kind ever? |
| 16:07.56 | LiENUS | yeah just for cron reports |
| 16:07.58 | jelly | mailx is a client, not a mta |
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| 16:08.28 | _aeris_ | if upstream release 1.0.0, i will generate official 1.0.0 packages, then commit 1.0.1 on debian packaging, and so generate 1.0.1~xxx for nightly |
| 16:08.32 | jelly | LiENUS: personally I like dma, because it does delivery to /var/mail/user inbox but also can delivery remotely. |
| 16:09.00 | jelly | LiENUS: but if you're more comfortable with exim or postfix you can use those for just local delivery, too |
| 16:09.42 | LiENUS | i've never even touched the setup (looks like exim on further inspeciton) on my jessie system its just whatever was default, prefer not to have a full delivery system just local users |
| 16:09.46 | _aeris_ | and so, users can use the 1.0.1~xxx without trouble, upstream won't be able to release something between 1.0.0 (and so 1.0.0-x on official package) and 1.0.1 (and so 1.0.1~xxx on CI) |
| 16:09.51 | _aeris_ | seem a good way :) |
| 16:09.57 | LiENUS | less attack surface if someone somehow does manage to get on the internal lan |
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| 16:10.19 | jelly | LiENUS: exim defaults to listening on localhost only |
| 16:10.30 | jelly | postfix too |
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| 16:10.42 | _aeris_ | will try this, thanks jelly & petn-randall :) |
| 16:10.54 | jelly | and dma does not have a smtpd at all |
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| 16:12.38 | awal1 | Any real technical advantage using apt instead of apt-get/cache apart a matter of commodity being apt almost a mix of apt-get & apt-cache? I notice that people in irc , debian wiki... suggests apt everyday more ... |
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| 16:13.41 | jelly | awal1: it has a PROGRESS BAR!!!!!!11 |
| 16:14.09 | LiENUS | i use gdebi |
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| 16:15.16 | makeway | Oh wow, it does have a progress bar |
| 16:15.21 | awal1 | jelly, hahaha, I noticed that yeah :P |
| 16:15.24 | makeway | Fuck apt-get I'm using this |
| 16:15.32 | somiaj | awal1: I see it as the more modern tool and the one that should be suggested. But apt-get/apt-cache still work just fine. There are some small differences in the defaults of the two (apt will remove downloaded .deb files by default, apt-get you still have to run clean manually) |
| 16:16.03 | towo-vm | and apt can install local downloaded debs, apt-get afaik not |
| 16:16.06 | FinalX | awal1: no _real_ advantage I guess, though it only is one command instead of many. |
| 16:16.09 | somiaj | though you can change the defaults to make it so apt won't delete .deb's by dfeault. |
| 16:16.25 | jelly | towo-vm: but it cannot download remote debs |
| 16:16.33 | FinalX | towo-vm: neither can apt-cache, which apt also replaces. dpkg is what you use to install local .deb's when using apt-get |
| 16:16.45 | jelly | unless it puts them into /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:17.15 | MCErroneous | Hi, is there a terminal that gives the functionality of "gnome-terminal --save-config /tmp/cfg" ? it gives me an error like: gnome-terminal --save-config /tmp/cfg |
| 16:17.18 | MCErroneous | Error handling options: Cannot use "--save-config" when starting the factory process |
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| 16:17.44 | MCErroneous | what does it mean, and how do i solve it ? |
| 16:18.40 | LiENUS | towo-vm, really apt can? i've actually been using gdebi to do that, i'll have to switch out i guess |
| 16:18.53 | towo-vm | sure apt can |
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| 16:19.10 | towo-vm | and it's better than using dpkg for it |
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| 16:19.23 | awal1 | well, I don't like apt yet, it misses a lot of apt-get/cache & aptitude options |
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| 16:20.04 | LiENUS | towo-vm, will it pull and install dependencies when installing a local deb? |
| 16:20.13 | towo-vm | yes |
| 16:20.20 | awal1 | a tool having all apt-get/cache and aptitude options will be great |
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| 16:20.25 | andres_ | jfalj |
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| 16:22.30 | thecat | xvinfo: no adaptors present |
| 16:22.39 | thecat | what do I have to instal for xv to work (ie, in mplayer, or mpv) |
| 16:22.47 | LiENUS | whale hale yeah ima have to movee off of gdebi then |
| 16:23.28 | thecat | does xv come together with opengl, or is it independent ? |
| 16:23.44 | awal1 | thecat, xv? |
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| 16:24.15 | thecat | yes: xv, xvideo, |
| 16:24.40 | thecat | such as in: mpv -vo=xv foo.mpg |
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| 16:27.31 | jelly | thecat: completely independent |
| 16:28.06 | jelly | different X11 extension |
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| 16:28.29 | thecat | jelly: OK, what do I have to install in Stretch to make xv work ? |
| 16:28.51 | jelly | thecat: why do you want to make it work? Which hardware? |
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| 16:29.01 | thecat | I have radeon graphics card, and xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed |
| 16:29.21 | jelly | thecat: and what do "xdpyinfo" and "xvinfo" say? |
| 16:30.19 | jelly | opengl output is probably better |
| 16:30.25 | andres_ | . |
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| 16:31.40 | thecat | xvinfo: no adaptors present |
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| 16:33.44 | thecat | xdpyinfo gives long output |
| 16:34.01 | awal1 | paste.debian.net |
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| 16:34.53 | thecat | http://paste.debian.net/988024/ |
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| 16:38.10 | gics | hello, i have problem starting bitcoin-qt like in this bug report #869704. There is a way to solve it? |
| 16:38.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/869704 in bitcoin-qt (open): «bitcoin-qt: undefined symbol: _ZNK8UniValueixEj»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-25; last modified: 2017-07-25. |
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| 16:38.35 | gics | The message i get is: "bitcoin-qt: symbol lookup error: bitcoin-qt: undefined symbol: _ZNK8UniValueixEj" |
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| 16:41.34 | jelly | gics: which package version are you usinbg? |
| 16:41.47 | jelly | and where did you get it from? |
| 16:42.10 | towo-vm | sine it is only in unstable, this, or some else |
| 16:42.12 | gics | jelly, Version: 0.15.0.1~dfsg-1 like in the bug report |
| 16:42.15 | towo-vm | *since |
| 16:42.23 | gics | jelly, from apt sid |
| 16:42.43 | jelly | gics: it's sid. Breakage is natural. |
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| 16:43.58 | gics | jelly, yes i know, i live with Sid since ~2006 |
| 16:44.08 | jelly | (in addition, upstream warns against using berkeley db later than 4.8 because your data may become unportable; Ihave no idea whether this is true, but note debian's builds are on db5.3) |
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| 16:44.24 | gics | jelly, i just was asking if someone has some hints on what to search to solve the problem |
| 16:44.59 | gics | berkeley db? what is? |
| 16:45.27 | jelly | I'd say rebuild the thing from source, or use upstream's builds if you're actually doing transactions on the network and not just experimenting |
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| 16:45.45 | jelly | ii libdb5.3++ 5.3.28-13 # this |
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| 16:46.27 | jelly | also, |
| 16:46.30 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:46.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:46.47 | gics | jelly, luckly i'm just an hodler, no transaction, but it worked well since a couple of days ago |
| 16:47.11 | jelly | you may be a holder, but your wallet may now only work on debian |
| 16:47.34 | jelly | no idea honestly, this may be FUD or debian maintainer may have fixed the reasons for that warning |
| 16:47.47 | gics | jelly, only work on debian?? |
| 16:48.01 | gics | are you refferring to this berkeley db? |
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| 16:48.24 | jelly | meaning: should you choose to copy wallet data to some other OS, it might not work with a different build of bitcoin client |
| 16:48.28 | jelly | gics: yes. |
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| 16:49.05 | gics | jelly, ok. Didn't knew that, i need to investigate more, thank you for your help |
| 16:49.30 | jelly | there's a reason why that package is not in stable or testing. |
| 16:50.08 | gics | regarding Qt undefined symbol i found this from ubuntu https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1764127 |
| 16:50.32 | jelly | see https://bugs.debian.org/731953 |
| 16:50.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/731953 in bitcoin (open, wontfix): «bitcoin: Package is allowed to build with too-new libdb, resulting in non-portability of wallets»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-12-11; last modified: 2014-05-16. |
| 16:50.36 | gics | that guy solve the problem with ldd, but i'm not sure how to reproduce it |
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| 16:51.03 | gics | (is skype not bitcoin-qt) |
| 16:51.07 | doslas | hi |
| 16:51.26 | doslas | ieee1394 |
| 16:51.48 | doslas | I am trying to enable video capture through a firewire connection using Kino. |
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| 16:53.30 | jelly | gics: issues with undefined symbols are fixed by rebuilding software. |
| 16:54.05 | gics | jelly, ok, thank you once more! |
| 16:54.40 | doslas | how to enable video capture in kino??? |
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| 16:55.13 | jelly | gics: it basically means "binary X was built with library Y version 5 and library Y on the system is version 6 or 4, not 5, and is not completely ABI compatible" |
| 16:55.50 | doslas | any help plz |
| 16:55.54 | jelly | gics: this is completely normal for sid, breakage like this is why sid exists, so people using it report those and they get fixed |
| 16:56.41 | gics | jelly, yes yes is not a problem to live with Sid, i know it, but i like it :) |
| 16:56.51 | thecat | do I need mesa for xv to work ? |
| 16:57.18 | jelly | gics: in the future, please ask questions about this installation in the right channel (#debian-next on OFTC) |
| 16:57.26 | jelly | thecat: no |
| 16:57.36 | Bierdieb | hello. is there any chance to install some firmware package which will drive the cpu-fan depending on the temperature? actually its running at full speed (fresh installed debian 9 non-free / netinstall cd) |
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| 16:58.28 | jelly | thecat: however, it's possible something in your installation is missing, or that the driver authors have given up on xvideo and it's not supported any more |
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| 17:00.17 | jelly | thecat: care to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:00.36 | nvz | Bierdieb: lmsensors has a sensors-detect script that can locate sensors and load appropriate modules for them |
| 17:00.46 | jelly | thecat: and also, why do you want xv at all? It's old |
| 17:02.04 | nvz | Bierdieb: if there is software for your specific hardware or if your hardware has a BIOS/CMOS setting for controlling that is unknown but that wouldnt be a bad first step |
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| 17:02.52 | ryan-c | I filed a bug on the whois package in stable, and the maintainer closed it telling me to upgrade. I have the latest version in stable, what am I supposed to do? |
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| 17:03.53 | nvz | ryan-c: in stable bugs can only be fixed through security or backports, if its not a security fix you'd need to backport |
| 17:04.20 | ryan-c | nvz: even if the package is broken to the point of being nearly useless? |
| 17:04.35 | thecat | jelly: by " the driver authors" you mean authors of xserver-xorg-video-radeon ? |
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| 17:04.52 | thecat | or the kernel driver ? |
| 17:05.18 | ryan-c | nvz: it's not available in stretch-backports either |
| 17:05.20 | jelly | thecat: same people. |
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| 17:05.58 | jelly | the kernel part works together with the xorg userspace (and dri and mesa) |
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| 17:06.23 | ryan-c | nvz: am i supposed to backport it myself? |
| 17:06.35 | nvz | ryan-c: its unfortunate that this happens.. like all youtube related packages were broken shortly after this last release.. |
| 17:06.43 | jelly | ryan-c: the maintainer is an idiot and does not care about stable. |
| 17:06.47 | ryan-c | nvz: it's the whois package though |
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| 17:07.04 | nvz | ryan-c: you could probably do a simple sid backport, its as the name implies, rather easy to perform.. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:07.07 | ryan-c | fuck verisign for breaking it |
| 17:07.09 | jelly | ryan-c: yeah, you can backport it from sid yourself. |
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| 17:08.33 | jelly | ,depends whois --release sid |
| 17:08.34 | judd | Package whois in sid/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libidn11 (>= 1.13). |
| 17:08.39 | ryan-c | I know how to backport a package, it's just absurd to have to - can i request it be added to stretch-backports somewhere? |
| 17:08.41 | jelly | ,v libidn11 |
| 17:08.42 | judd | Package: libidn11 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.25-2; wheezy-security: 1.25-2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.29-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.29-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1.33-1; buster: 1.33-2; sid: 1.33-2 |
| 17:08.56 | petn-randall | ryan-c: Can you show us the bug number? |
| 17:09.25 | ryan-c | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=876945 |
| 17:09.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/876945 in whois (closed): «whois: contact information not shown for .com and .net domains»; severity: important; opened: 2017-09-27; last modified: 2017-09-27. |
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| 17:09.49 | jelly | ryan-c: you can also very carefully add sid repo, install just whois, and remove sid repo, but I did not tell you this |
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| 17:10.16 | ryan-c | jelly: is pinning packages still a thing? |
| 17:10.50 | jelly | ryan-c: yeah, but avoid using it for later branches than your desired one |
| 17:10.58 | jelly | too easy to fuck it up |
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| 17:11.58 | ryan-c | petn-randall: just posted the bug url |
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| 17:12.17 | Tenkawa | so... anyone messing around with the tinkerboard much? |
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| 17:43.36 | wonuku | can I disable my gpu and use my cpu to render my graphics then give that gpu to a vm? |
| 17:43.46 | wonuku | I don't have integrated graphics |
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| 17:44.33 | jelly | wonuku: is your cpu connected to a VGA or HDMI output? |
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| 17:44.38 | wonuku | vga |
| 17:44.47 | wonuku | I have my gpu connected via hdmi |
| 17:45.06 | jelly | if it does not have intergrated graphics, then no |
| 17:45.33 | wonuku | why not cpu should be able to render images |
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| 17:45.45 | wonuku | even if it does it very slowly |
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| 17:46.07 | jelly | because it's missing video output connectivity |
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| 17:46.32 | jelly | that's one of the thing a GPU has. |
| 17:46.46 | jelly | be it integrated or discrete |
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| 18:16.51 | b-04 | sorry |
| 18:16.53 | b-04 | Sep 27 14:13:11 multint62 postfix/smtpd[1370]: fatal: in parameter smtpd_relay_restrictions or smtpd_recipient_restrictions, specify at least one working i...y_domains |
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| 18:17.13 | b-04 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.21 | jelly | b-04: read man 5 postconf about smtpd_relay_restrictions |
| 18:25.22 | jelly | "IMPORTANT: Either the smtpd_relay_restrictions or the smtpd_recipient_restrictions parameter must specify at least one of the following restrictions. Otherwise Postfix will refuse to receive mail: reject, reject_unauth_destination defer, defer_if_permit, defer_unauth_destination" |
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| 18:26.11 | jelly | in other words, you need a catch-all rule at the end |
| 18:26.15 | jelly | pick one. |
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| 18:31.03 | b-04 | jelly: sorry, that would be that rule of catch-all the only thing I need is that you can only log the ips that I indicate, I do not need authentication |
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| 18:32.59 | tripkin | https://paste.superslacker.org/?ae47e80219e3225e#LMnuO7/3MPspZOsa9nz5y5MDpNr8d+jePK/v35sObu8= |
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| 18:33.57 | jelly | b-04: I don't understand that sentence, can you rephrase |
| 18:33.59 | tripkin | Sorry folks, channel opened up as I was pasting into another channel. Please ignore. ^^ |
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| 18:35.11 | b-04 | jelly: smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks mynetworks = 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 18:35.33 | jelly | b-04: did you read that part in the manual |
| 18:35.39 | jelly | b-04: man 5 postconf |
| 18:35.41 | b-04 | I need the 192.168.0.0 network servers to connect and use smtp without authenticating |
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| 18:35.56 | jelly | and the quote above |
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| 18:37.25 | b-04 | jelly: but if I put any of these: reject, reject_unauth_destination defer, defer_if_permit, defer_unauth_destination, will reject emails? I do not want it rejected |
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| 18:42.38 | Shishire | Where do I go for developer level support for APT specifically? |
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| 18:42.46 | jhutchins_wk | b-04: Did you read the manpage? |
| 18:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: You could start by asking here, and we could figure out what you actually need and possibly redirect you. |
| 18:43.56 | Shishire | jhutchins_wk, ok. I've got a hash sum mismatch on an identical set of hash sums: https://pastebin.com/mM3d36QS |
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| 18:44.34 | b-04 | sorry dont understant |
| 18:44.35 | b-04 | :( |
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| 18:44.53 | b-04 | im from argentina |
| 18:45.01 | jelly | b-04: the order of evaluation matters. Look at at the default value, for example: "postconf -d smtpd_relay_networks". First, permit_mynetworks may allow SOME mail to be processed. Evaluation stops there for those. Then, permit_sasl_authenticated may allow SOME other mail, and stop there for authed users. Finally, for _everything else_, defer_unauth_destination is applied. |
| 18:45.37 | jelly | b-04: you last rule MUST be one of those quoted above. |
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| 18:46.29 | jelly | b-04: you can't just put in permit_mynetworks and nothing else, postfix does not know what to do with connections that do not match that one rule, then. |
| 18:46.39 | b-04 | jelly: Thank you very much for your explanation, now I understand. osea that goes first the permit_mynetworks that would allow to send to the hosts inside mynetworks, and soon goes defer_unauth_destination that would block the others. thank you very much again :) |
| 18:46.56 | jelly | b-04: that's what the man page is trying to say, yeah |
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| 18:48.32 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: You show a download command, then what appears to be output from a build of some sort. I think you need to include some more information; the actual commands, which release, what arch if not amd64, etc. |
| 18:48.50 | artyx | Whats the fastest way to diff about 3+ Million files across lan. I tried tar over ssh. it beat rsync for initial copy, but now im after deltas |
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| 18:49.13 | Shishire | jhutchins_wk, That output is full Apt debug. All I'm trying to do is download. |
| 18:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Have you tried one of the other tools? That does look like a program error. |
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| 18:50.44 | jelly | artyx: just to see if they're different or not? rsync with recursion and -n |
| 18:51.01 | jelly | no copying |
| 18:51.14 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: It would be useful to assert whether the error happens with other tools or just with apt; and again, which release? |
| 18:51.19 | Shishire | I've tried both apt and apt-get, although I assume they use the same core function to do that comparison. I'm not really familiar with any other apt-repo compliant tools |
| 18:51.22 | artyx | jelly: I need to get the differences... I anticipate about 4166 new files/min |
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| 18:51.36 | artyx | so every 15 mins,i want to get a delta of all new files |
| 18:51.54 | artyx | problem being, my time to process the hash on everything is exceeding the time allotted |
| 18:51.55 | jelly | artyx: then remove -n when you're sure it works |
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| 18:52.14 | jelly | artyx: do the changed files have timestamps updated? |
| 18:52.19 | easy_ref123 | logfile size problem, they're getting too big too fast - how can i measure by how many bytes a certain file grows per unit time? |
| 18:52.41 | greycat | easy_ref123: wc -c, sleep, repeat |
| 18:52.49 | artyx | easy_ref123 ls -l <<file>> ; sleep 1 ; ls -l file ... (for bytes) |
| 18:52.53 | Shishire | jhutchins_wk, apt 1.2.24 amd64 |
| 18:53.16 | jhutchins_wk | watch du -sh /path/to/file |
| 18:53.31 | artyx | jelly: I'm running now to verify that they do/do not muck wtih time |
| 18:53.32 | greycat | watch will not let you perform calculations |
| 18:53.35 | jelly | artyx: rsync looks at timestamps and permissions/ownerships first. If you have sane unix filesystems on both ends, and updates to files change their mtime (like usual), rsync doesn't need to do checksumming |
| 18:53.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,v apt |
| 18:53.41 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.7; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.8; buster: 1.5~rc4; sid: 1.5 |
| 18:54.22 | jelly | artyx: ... at least, not to determine which files need updating |
| 18:54.24 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Doesn't match any current releases. |
| 18:54.33 | b-04 | jelly: 454 4.7.1 <ernesto.r11@outlook.com.ar>: Relay access denied :( |
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| 18:54.47 | artyx | jelly: I'm testing this mtime aspect right now, but fiurst it has to catch up from ... months ago |
| 18:55.06 | artyx | jelly: my dir structure looks something like "date=2017-08-09/hour=3/ |
| 18:55.13 | jelly | artyx: test on a smaller subdirectory is feasible |
| 18:55.15 | jelly | if* |
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| 18:55.45 | easy_ref123 | thanks |
| 18:55.52 | artyx | these file counts are going to be super excessive |
| 18:55.54 | jelly | artyx: good grief, do they really hour=3/ and not hour=03/ ? :-) |
| 18:56.05 | artyx | jelly: Yeah. god bless that vendor huh =) |
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| 18:56.38 | artyx | jelly: it gets worse, they also timestamp the contents of files w/ two different methods |
| 18:56.49 | jelly | artyx: normal devs would just logs/2017-08-09/03/ because it kind of gets obvious what the names mean |
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| 18:57.05 | artyx | jelly: This is how it looks when i copy the data out of s3 |
| 18:57.21 | jelly | eh, you can't choose your sources |
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| 18:58.03 | artyx | jelly: home/localuser/data/reds/date=2017-05-17/hour=13/impressions_o2cbfgas_V5_1_2017-05-17T131512_2017-05-17T132027_2017-05-17T132601_ff514792d5ee39b3faabb8cbf2d645ed.log.gz |
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| 18:58.33 | jelly | b-04: if you want help, can you please pastebin whole log lines, and all the log lines relevant for a particular delivery |
| 18:58.36 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:58.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:59.01 | artyx | jelly: It's not so bad . .until you realize its like 3-4 million new files per day |
| 18:59.16 | jelly | that's not a problem for rsync |
| 18:59.38 | jelly | might be a problem for your network and storage backend |
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| 19:00.09 | artyx | Hmm. the local disk on both ends, can do about 400 MB/s the local network can transfer files @ multi GB speeds out of the vm's and across hypervisors |
| 19:00.10 | jelly | artyx: I bet the timestamps are some local time zone and not UTC! |
| 19:00.25 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Can we assume that since you won't tell us what release you're on and the apt version doesn't match any current release, you're not actually running Debian? |
| 19:00.51 | artyx | jelly: across 15 minutes, its around .. 2 GB ? and it could very well be vendor time, but i'm not sure |
| 19:00.59 | artyx | I just get tasked with building the stuff, i dont use it lol |
| 19:01.05 | jelly | artyx: and do you get some empty and double-size hour= directories around daylight saving change dates? :-) |
| 19:01.25 | artyx | jelly: Hmm... i'll look into that after the shift. |
| 19:02.43 | artyx | tbh .. I'm not yet a big data specialist |
| 19:02.45 | Shishire | jhutchins_wk, I'm running this on an ubuntu docker image. Since Apt is produced by debian, and I initially came in asking for help with Apt... |
| 19:03.07 | Shishire | Ubuntu isn't going to be able to help much with Apt, since they don't own it. |
| 19:03.10 | jelly | but you will be when you grow up? |
| 19:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Apt in ubuntu is not produced by debian. |
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| 19:03.42 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Relevant bug reports for the ubuntu version aren't going to be filed with debian. |
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| 19:04.39 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: If thats a current production version of ubuntu's apt, you can check for bugreports with them, and possibly contact their maintainer. |
| 19:04.41 | jelly | Shishire: 1.2 is horribly old, what's that, precise (ubuntu 12.04)? If you're wokring with server installations, you can ask in #ubuntu-server channel |
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| 19:08.59 | str_ | hello changed mainboard and now my network card can not do a ping and I have no network connection. First it was assigned in udev as eth1, which I deleted, but now I get a dhcp address and then no active connectivity to any destination can be made. erased iptables with -F -X. |
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| 19:11.20 | b-04 | jelly: this is my main.config http://paste.debian.net/988049/ |
| 19:11.38 | Shishire | jhutchins_wk, Reproduced on debian stable, apt 1.4.7: https://pastebin.com/aBPNib4X |
| 19:12.05 | jhutchins_wk | str_: You say "network card", do you mean a distinct card or something built in to the motherboard? What release? |
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| 19:12.11 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, I'm trying to NFS share a subfolder from inside ANOTHER NFS share |
| 19:12.28 | cluelessperson | the problem is the originating storage does NOT have specific share permissions for subfolders. |
| 19:12.50 | cluelessperson | So I'm using an intermediary server to handle the logic and act as a gateway |
| 19:12.58 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | cluelessperson | problem is, NFS doesn't seem to allow sharing network folders |
| 19:13.26 | str_ | jhutchins_wk, a card build in the mainboard RTL8111E |
| 19:13.31 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: If you could please use paste.debian.org instead of pastebin.com for future pastes. |
| 19:13.49 | jhutchins_wk | str_: Realteks often need firmware. |
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| 19:14.36 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: I'll take your word for it, but I'd blame it on the repo. |
| 19:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: If you really think it's apt, file a bugreport. |
| 19:14.51 | str_ | I build new driver since I was lucky by having a downloaded mirror of realtek on my computer so I compiled the new driver r8168 which is loaded flawlessly. |
| 19:15.14 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Also, try other files, see if you can figure out whether the repo or the file makes a difference. Could just be an oddity in the package. |
| 19:15.27 | jhutchins_wk | Shishire: Also, some would be inclined to blame docker. |
| 19:15.52 | jhutchins_wk | !rtl8111e |
| 19:15.52 | cluelessperson | I get this error: Sep 27 14:15:30 backup exportfs[21289]: exportfs: /backups/vmware does not support NFS export |
| 19:15.52 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
| 19:16.48 | jhutchins_wk | cluelessperson: Sounds correct to me. |
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| 19:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | cluelessperson: What you're trying to do shouldn't work. |
| 19:17.27 | str_ | well I build the maybe out-of-tree drivers then, when I build it from realtek website and it blacklisted the r8169. |
| 19:17.47 | cluelessperson | jhutchins_wk: Why? |
| 19:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | cluelessperson: Fix the top-level share. There's too much potential for cumulative problems if you layer NFS. |
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| 19:18.58 | cluelessperson | jhutchins_wk: There's no way to fix the top level share, it's a synology proprietrary pos that doesn't allow fine access control |
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| 19:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | Check out the bind option for mount. |
| 19:20.28 | jhutchins_wk | cluelessperson: That or just symlink the folder you want to the folder on the mounted share. |
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| 19:32.52 | jhutchins_wk | str_: If you're using drivers from realtek, you need to ask realtek for help, not Debian. |
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| 19:33.16 | jhutchins_wk | str_: There may be clues in dmesg - use dmesg | less to scroll & search. |
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| 19:35.00 | str_ | how can I use the debian drivers again, but i looked at syslog and after loading the r8168 a AMD-Vi Event was logged: IO_PAGE_FAULT device=09:00.0 <- which is the REaltek 8111E which my lspci told me |
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| 19:36.14 | str_ | It was desperation, so I compiled and replaced the driver...but how can I go back? |
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| 19:37.21 | RoyK | str_: I guess apt-get install <kernel package> --reinstall might do it |
| 19:37.35 | RoyK | str_: next time, keep a backup |
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| 19:39.53 | str_ | RoyK nice try without network, but which packet anyways |
| 19:40.15 | str_ | RoyK, and how to keep a backup |
| 19:40.17 | somiaj | you may have the old package sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives, in which case it won't need to download anything and can just reinstall |
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| 19:40.43 | str_ | somiaj, what would the name of the package be, there are thousands |
| 19:40.56 | RoyK | linux-image-something |
| 19:41.15 | jhutchins_wk | !backup |
| 19:41.15 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*. if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 19:41.16 | str_ | RoyK, ahh ok, and how to supress downloading |
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| 19:41.38 | somiaj | str_: apt will only downlaod packages that arne't already in the archives. |
| 19:41.47 | somiaj | if you have all your packages there apt won't download anything |
| 19:41.53 | RoyK | and to backup your modules before you overwrite them, it's just to cp -a /lib/modules/`uame -r` /root/backup or something like that |
| 19:42.30 | jhutchins_wk | I would not recommend tape backup. |
| 19:42.43 | str_ | RoyK, thanks I will now I know, maybe I should backup my iota wallet as well |
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| 19:43.01 | awal1 | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 19:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | str_: Only back up things you want to keep. |
| 19:43.04 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: why not? it's the safest backup on the planet |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | wonders who recommended a tape system |
| 19:43.39 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: It's terribly unreliable and subject to degradation. You need to do regular restore testing, and even then your chances of full recovery aren't great. |
| 19:43.43 | teraflops | data is fine |
| 19:43.47 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: no, it's not |
| 19:44.01 | awal1 | str_, also you have http://snapshot.debian.org/ if any |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Now if you're talking about an auto-loading IBM cartridge tape library, they're a better bet. |
| 19:44.09 | teraflops | s/data/tape |
| 19:44.10 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: I've been working with tape backups for years - it works |
| 19:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Oh, sure, the backups work. It's the restores that fail. |
| 19:44.25 | str_ | I leave you with that religous discussion about what backup media is the best |
| 19:44.31 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: no it doesn't |
| 19:44.36 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Also lots of moving parts to fail. |
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| 19:44.50 | str_ | and say thank you. I would use Amazon S3 |
| 19:44.58 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: I like using hot-swap hard drives. Economical and reliable. |
| 19:45.00 | str_ | if I would have a connection |
| 19:45.06 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: our current setup at work is an LTO-6 thing from HP wit 80 tapes in the library and two drives - not a single failure for two years |
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| 19:45.26 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: That's not consumer grade equipment. |
| 19:45.29 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: so please stop spreading FUD about things you don't know |
| 19:45.54 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: I don't think there's such a thing as a consumer grade tape drive anymore - that was 20 years ago |
| 19:46.53 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: take a 5Kb power surge and give it to a set of 120 drives and a tape library - guess who'll survive |
| 19:47.04 | RoyK | 5kV even |
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| 19:48.01 | str_ | RoyK, reinstalled without network the kernel-image....let's see |
| 19:48.06 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: That's why you unmount 'em. |
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| 19:48.26 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Physically. |
| 19:48.28 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: please |
| 19:48.53 | str_ | RoyK and others, thanks I have connection again.... Whooheee. THX |
| 19:49.15 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: tape drives work. period. they cost a bit initially, but then the tapes don't cost a lot, and they are rock solid |
| 19:49.40 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: They're also last century's technology. Direct-to-disk is what we use now. |
| 19:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Our main storage is all SSD. |
| 19:49.56 | str_ | RoyK, for a piece of mind.. I had a DAT changer 2 or 3 decades ago |
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| 19:50.10 | teraflops | for long term data storage I'd go with dat too |
| 19:50.33 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: not really - tapes are still being developed further - at uio.no they have 20PB or so of storage, almost half of it on tape, since it uses good tiering (hitatchi thing) |
| 19:50.34 | jhutchins_wk | str_: Easiest solution would be ESATA or USB external drive that you physically remove between sessions. |
| 19:50.37 | teraflops | never ever use optical disks, they degrade too fast |
| 19:50.59 | RoyK | DAT? |
| 19:51.01 | teraflops | HDD's need to spin |
| 19:51.04 | jhutchins_wk | str_: You can also get hot-swap disk mounts that mount like a disc drive. |
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| 19:51.41 | teraflops | yeah dat, digital data storage |
| 19:51.49 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: just listen, will you? tapes can store data for years without loss |
| 19:52.50 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: http://www.computerweekly.com/podcast/Tape-backup-vs-disk-backup |
| 19:53.03 | RoyK | teraflops: the problem with DAT, is the storage, it's a rotating head, storing the data dioganally on the tape to increase density, meaning when the tape gets older and the tape stretches, there goes your backup |
| 19:54.30 | teraflops | RoyK: sure, still for long term backups I's go with dat |
| 19:54.51 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: I guess the engineers at uio.no know a wee bit more about this than whoever wrote that article. |
| 19:55.08 | greycat | Do they even *make* DAT tape drives any more? Are you going to be able to find a working drive and interface cable and host adapter in the distant future? |
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| 19:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: I imagine they're on a budget and are still using legacy hardware because they need access to legacy storage. |
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| 19:56.21 | teraflops | RoyK: the problem with HDDs is that they need to spin. if you put an HDD in a box long enough data get lost |
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| 19:56.33 | jhutchins_wk | The company that hosts Aviation Week and Space Technology (and the Paris Air Show) uses direct-to-disk. |
| 19:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | So does the company that does texas.gov. |
| 19:56.51 | jhutchins_wk | Think crashplan/. |
| 19:57.07 | RoyK | teraflops: DAT really sucks, LTO and IBM 3592 - 'jaguar' is even cooler |
| 19:57.21 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: youll get surprised about what _great_ companies uses |
| 19:57.21 | jhutchins_wk | On-site-to-site with off-site replication. |
| 19:57.25 | RoyK | and crashplan just sold its soult to santa or something |
| 19:57.29 | newbie|2 | hi i have a debian vmware and I can ping from it to 8.8.8.8 but can't ping the host (I am on bridged network with dchp), can anyone pls help |
| 19:57.57 | RoyK | newbie|2: why do you need to ping the host? |
| 19:58.01 | newbie|2 | host is windows, guest is debian |
| 19:58.09 | somiaj | newbie|2: does traceroute give you any more info? Does the host block ping requests, sounds like a networking issue. |
| 19:58.10 | newbie|2 | just to check network connectivity |
| 19:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | 3592 is great. How many home PCs can you buy for the price of a drive and ten tapes? |
| 19:58.28 | newbie|2 | traceroute is not shwoing the gateway but shows the entry as the IP of the guest |
| 19:58.45 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: again, I'm not talking about home PCs. The time has come an gone for home tape drives, as stated above |
| 19:58.51 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: I think that's intentional, the host is supposed to be invisible to the guest. |
| 19:58.54 | newbie|2 | i can ping the router, outside server |
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| 19:59.06 | RoyK | newbie|2: never mind about the host |
| 19:59.10 | newbie|2 | no, earlier i used to login to the debian guest from host etc. |
| 19:59.12 | teraflops | newbie|2: check network type (bridge, nat, whatever) also check windows firewall |
| 19:59.21 | newbie|2 | bridged |
| 19:59.34 | newbie|2 | i am able to telnet from windows to outside world |
| 19:59.49 | newbie|2 | but the port that is showing as open in the debian guest, i am not able to telnet to from the host |
| 19:59.49 | teraflops | chwck windows firewall then |
| 19:59.59 | newbie|2 | i'll check the windows firewall anyway again |
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| 20:00.22 | teraflops | for being able to telnet you need a telnet server |
| 20:00.38 | teraflops | to connect to I meant |
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| 20:01.28 | newbie|2 | i am telnetting to a telnet type server. I can telnet to the same port from the localhost |
| 20:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Tape has it's uses, and a lot of legacy systems still use it, but direct replication is often a better option, especially for large storage systems. |
| 20:01.51 | newbie|2 | but not able to do that from the host windows (can do it from the guest debian localhost) |
| 20:02.15 | newbie|2 | i disbled windows firewall but not use |
| 20:02.26 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: vmware player on windows? |
| 20:02.34 | newbie|2 | yes |
| 20:02.39 | newbie|2 | vmware workstation |
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| 20:03.00 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: What you need is help for vmware on windows, not debian. The debian guest is fine. |
| 20:03.00 | newbie|2 | long back i used to be able to ssh to a debian guest vmware from the host using putty |
| 20:03.21 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: That might be a networking option. |
| 20:03.23 | newbie|2 | but the windows is able to ping other hosts and the router fine |
| 20:03.28 | newbie|2 | ok, i will check that once |
| 20:03.50 | somiaj | sounds like a networking/routing configuration issue with the windows host/vmware setup, might want to go look up either windows support of vmware support |
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| 20:04.02 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: well, I beg to differ - replication is good, but it should be combined with offsite backup, preferably far away, and if possible, on tape |
| 20:05.39 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: I just verified that this works on virtualbox on W10. |
| 20:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: off-site replication. Redundant data centers. |
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| 20:06.18 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: ok |
| 20:06.26 | newbie|2 | i will check the newtork in vmware |
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| 20:06.43 | jhutchins_wk | !vmware |
| 20:06.43 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 20:07.40 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: There is #vmware |
| 20:08.06 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: i posted there as well, but no response |
| 20:08.18 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: Be patient, it's probably a lot slower. |
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| 20:08.32 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: Your other option is http://vmware.com/support/ |
| 20:08.53 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: i searched online and my vmware net seems to be ok according to what i find |
| 20:10.05 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: Do you have another system on the same network? |
| 20:10.37 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: What output do you get from the ping? |
| 20:10.37 | newbie|2 | unfortunately no (that was a problem to be able to check) |
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| 20:10.58 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: no response from host |
| 20:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: That's the whole reason for doing VMs, right? |
| 20:11.45 | newbie|2 | i am checking if vmnet1 adapter in my windows host network panel must show, i don't see it |
| 20:12.04 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I get a ping from W10 cmd. |
| 20:12.08 | newbie|2 | sorry vmnet0 |
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| 20:12.29 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: You might try virtual box, I've found it's a lot faster than player. |
| 20:12.43 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: Last I looked player could only do 32b too. |
| 20:12.49 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: ok, i don't know how to import from vmware to vbox |
| 20:13.04 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: need to read up, is it an easy process ? |
| 20:13.12 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: Pretty sure it can be done, but I don't know it myself. |
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| 20:15.17 | jhutchins_wk | frost_V4x: ack |
| 20:15.29 | newbie|2 | jhutchins_wk: ok.. |
| 20:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | newbie|2: You might just build a fresh Debian, you want the VBox guest tools instead of VMware anyway. |
| 20:17.02 | newbie|2 | fresh debian is a bit huge task right now (need to configure a lot etc.) |
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| 20:32.57 | nvz | newbie|2: I'm not sure about the box itself but vbox natively supports vmware's disk format if you just create a new machine and select the disk file |
| 20:35.00 | newbie|2 | nvz: ok, that's i think is a good option |
| 20:35.02 | newbie|2 | thanks |
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| 20:36.10 | nvz | vbox supports many different disk formats and while I don't think its documented it even supports raw disk access but reqiures some special configuration using a specially made file.. I've done it before to boot a windows dual-boot install |
| 20:36.38 | nvz | needless to say windows wasnt happy about |
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| 20:37.58 | somiaj | I always liked that about debian over windows. I could put my old harddrive in a new machine and for the most part boot it and it worked. Windows doens't like it if you change its hardware, even changing the mother board is enough to make it cry. |
| 20:38.38 | nvz | yeah well luckily someone coded the Linux Genuine Advantage so we too could experience that |
| 20:38.38 | jhutchins_wk | It was failure of W95 to boot on a replaced motherboard that moved me to a linux desktop. |
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| 20:40.28 | Uberius | o/ |
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| 20:47.58 | johnny_|_ | Hi. I have one of these never ending problems... Terminal is showin 'î°' as ' â®' (two way arrow). |
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| 20:48.29 | johnny_|_ | I am using DejaVu sans mono for powerline font. |
| 20:48.30 | greycat | Mine doesn't show either. Figure out what font package to install and install it. |
| 20:48.47 | johnny_|_ | greycat: do you have any links? |
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| 20:49.07 | greycat | Links to what? apt-cache search stuff |
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| 20:50.12 | awal1 | ,v celestia |
| 20:50.13 | judd | Package: celestia on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.1+dfsg-2; jessie: 1.6.1+dfsg-3.1 |
| 20:50.35 | Satou | Hey guys, I have a small weird bug on chrome, running debian 8.9 and chrome 61.0.3163.100 and it makes a weird border to html elements on dark backgrounds (here's an image: http://i66.tinypic.com/2hczxnr.jpg) |
| 20:50.49 | Satou | I'm wondering if i'm the only one |
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| 20:54.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,v chrome |
| 20:54.26 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in amd64. |
| 20:55.21 | somiaj | Satou: do you mean google-chrome? And is this viewing some video/page in full screen mode? |
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| 20:56.37 | Satou | Satou, yes, google-chrome. It's whenever i visit every site that has a dark background, it happens in every way, both fullscreen or not |
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| 20:57.33 | somiaj | to me that looks like it is working as designed, but I am unsure on the page. Anyways this appears to be an issue with either the webpage or how chrome is rendering the css, and not really debian support. |
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| 21:00.06 | Satou | somiaj, It's just a gray-ish border around every html element. I also wanted to ask here to see if anyone else has this problem |
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| 21:09.51 | BrainError404 | CUPS cannot see the printer, how can I check where's the problem? |
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| 21:13.51 | digdilem | BrainError404, usb or network? |
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| 21:16.51 | johnny_|_ | fellow debians. How do you see glyphs in this page https://github.com/skwp/dotfiles/blob/master/vim/settings/lightline.vim ? |
| 21:17.19 | johnny_|_ | I see mostly two way arrows. |
| 21:17.40 | sypher | That's what I see. There's a single left arrow as well. |
| 21:18.16 | johnny_|_ | but there should be lock and î° and branch symbol |
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| 21:19.26 | mnuhmnuh | johnny_|_: that's the 3rd time i've seen a box of tiny dots from you. uxterm here. |
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| 21:20.52 | hanasaki | what would cause a boot iso of debian to hang and show a underscore? works fine on other boxes |
| 21:20.57 | johnny_|_ | something is "wrong" on system wide level. Or at least there must be an explanation why other distros show glyphs the way they do |
| 21:21.45 | teraflops | johnny_|_: nah, my unicodes are fine, and I cannot see a î° there |
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| 21:22.20 | mnuhmnuh | i don't see any mangling going on viewing that page in qupzilla. |
| 21:23.43 | teraflops | unless I'm blind, johnny_|_ in which line is supposed to be the î° ? |
| 21:24.03 | johnny_|_ | 12 |
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| 21:24.27 | mnuhmnuh | nope. |
| 21:24.35 | johnny_|_ | should be e0b0 symbol |
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| 21:27.58 | teraflops | are you sure you do not need a silly custom font family that is breaking the standard? |
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| 21:29.02 | teraflops | as in: putting the î° in the wrong place and hence showing wrong glyph? |
| 21:29.09 | johnny_|_ | No I am not sure. I use deja vu sans mono for powerline. Don't know how that aligns with standard. |
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| 21:31.00 | teraflops | it looks like it wont break standards (by its name), but I had to ask |
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| 21:31.29 | johnny_|_ | same setup as ubuntu |
| 21:31.34 | johnny_|_ | different glyphs |
| 21:31.57 | teraflops | for same output? |
| 21:32.01 | johnny_|_ | yeah |
| 21:32.10 | teraflops | which terminal are you using? |
| 21:32.13 | johnny_|_ | st |
| 21:32.17 | teraflops | weird |
| 21:32.32 | teraflops | st does sane font fallback |
| 21:32.34 | johnny_|_ | shows the same in different terminals |
| 21:32.39 | mnuhmnuh | does this help? http://paste.debian.net/988088/ |
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| 21:33.31 | johnny_|_ | mnuhmnuh: umm its showing as 342 256 200 |
| 21:33.46 | teraflops | johnny_|_: you can always open that font family with e.g fontforge and insect the glyphs |
| 21:33.50 | teraflops | inspect^ |
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| 21:34.42 | teraflops | anyway I trust ubuntu font family more than the dejavu powerline |
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| 21:34.55 | johnny_|_ | I am using dejavu there as well |
| 21:35.05 | johnny_|_ | same setup as i said |
| 21:35.42 | johnny_|_ | even ttys give me "weird" output |
| 21:35.45 | teraflops | ah sorry it's late |
| 21:36.09 | teraflops | you said same setup as ubuntu not ubuntu font family |
| 21:36.17 | teraflops | dang I need to sleep |
| 21:37.00 | nvz | you need to expand your ventricles.. if you could figure out how to do that without sleeping... |
| 21:37.19 | johnny_|_ | take adderall |
| 21:37.51 | teraflops | johnny_|_: font fallback does hace an internal order for rendering glyphs, and if you do not have very same fonts, and sometimes installed in the same order it can happen what you are experiencing |
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| 21:38.07 | teraflops | have^ |
| 21:38.24 | teraflops | nvz: xD |
| 21:38.30 | nvz | a 2013 study on mice revealed thats the secret to sleep and cognitive function, the ventricles expand and the CSF penetrates into the brain and cleans out the waste products of neronal activity |
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| 21:38.59 | nvz | it was in Science magazine, sept2013 IIRC |
| 21:39.01 | teraflops | i prefer beer and marijuana than adderall mate :P |
| 21:39.13 | johnny_|_ | it's not something recent. This glyphs go years back. I don't know what it is but I always have to change characters in vim and tmux. |
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| 21:40.09 | nvz | idk I concurr that those fonts suck, I've noticed similar issues with them |
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| 21:46.15 | teraflops | if you have to change chars go grab better fonts unless powerline has some magic i'm not aware of |
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| 21:49.01 | johnny_|_ | see the thing (the way i see it) is its not the font. Can you give me an example of a font that would render those glyphs ootb |
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| 22:03.40 | rdg | I'm trying to use a yubikey but Im' getting permission denied on usb devices.. anyone ever experience that? |
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| 22:03.55 | rdg | my googlefu has led me to people asking the same question but usually just getting responses of "i didn't have that problem?" |
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| 22:07.04 | rdg | that said i may have just found the answer |
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| 22:13.50 | rdg | nope that didn't fix it |
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| 22:34.30 | MAXim1 | damn, I've same problem as described here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=215833 but under debian |
| 22:34.56 | MAXim1 | rx480 with hdmi and 2nd monitor witd dvi conneted |
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| 22:38.14 | MAXim1 | after my monitor goes sleepmode it won't wake up, but only after 2nd time monitor goes in standby |
| 22:38.49 | MAXim1 | pc works, i hear musi (when plays) but it doesn't react. |
| 22:38.53 | MAXim1 | https://pastebin.com/b2spkqjh |
| 22:39.35 | MAXim1 | neither tty2 or 3 works (ctrl+alt+f2 etc.) |
| 22:40.14 | MAXim1 | keyboard don't react. I have to hard reset it or puh ower button > 5 sec. |
| 22:40.29 | MAXim1 | https://pastebin.com/b2spkqjh <-- journalctl -xe |
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| 22:41.51 | MAXim1 | https://pastebin.com/bwfh42rH <-- inxi -Fx |
| 22:42.21 | MAXim1 | it is connected via hdmi. |
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| 22:43.37 | MAXim1 | I 've google many hours but nothing to find. and it doesn't matter which windowmanger runs |
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| 22:43.48 | MAXim1 | pls help me |
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| 22:53.05 | mnuhmnuh | nvidia. |
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| 23:51.46 | wr | cant read my 2 external hard disks, probably some packages are missing, how can i list all removed packages? i think might have done something to trigger this |
| 23:53.50 | wr | am checking /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 23:56.25 | Cef-web | Stupid Q: Has anyone tried using the 9.1 AMD64 netinst iso lately? I've downloaded it 3 times and every time i get issues with the base packages in the image starting around iproute2. |
| 23:57.26 | sypher | Yup. Didn't have a problem. |
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