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00:03.19Tr4sKHey I have a really weird issue here. I had some issue with my integrated (in motherboard) graphic card. So to look for some fix, I booted few time with acpi=off. But now, I feel like i’m stuck in this mod :( I took it out from /etc/default/grub then update-grub && update-initramfs -u
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01:10.55Tr4sKGood, found the issue. It was because I was playing with acpi=off to be able to do something today. Then I upgraded my bios and the Integrated Graphic Device option got stuck in a weird mode.
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01:11.32Tr4sKHad the feeling that acpi=off stayed on forever :(
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01:56.41ceruleanhey guys. whats the simplest way to remove a patch from a package
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02:22.18jimhi... more about the problem with doing apt-get update... here's the command output that shows the error that comes up: http://termbin.com/zjb2 and here is my sources.list: http://termbin.com/2b6b ; what I figured out since then, is if I comment out the first line of the sources.list, apt-get update runs without error... and, which mirror doesn't seem to matter, and which apt tool (apt, apt-get, aptitude) also doesn't matter
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02:31.09themilljim: don't use ftp.us.debian.org; use a real mirror not a dns round robin
02:31.42themillit's so much harder to diagnose problems when there's a dns round robin in the way
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02:40.45jimthemill, ok, I'll repeat the test with another mirror (about 10 mins)
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02:41.23jimis there a mirror you can watch the logs of?
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03:16.38jimthemill, ok, for sources.list http://termbin.com/rk9k , the apt-get update output was http://termbin.com/jisk
03:20.18themillthat's the same as before?
03:22.16jimexcept a different mirror, yes
03:23.52jimdoesn't seem to matter which mirror, or which tool (apt, apt-get, aptitude)
03:25.19jimI try to get a new tool, but I'm told each is the newest
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03:33.19jimthemill, found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823733
03:33.20juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/823733 in apt-cacher-ng (closed): «apt-cacher-ng: 403  Forbidden file type or location: [...]orig.tar.xz.asc»; severity: important; opened: 2016-05-08; last modified: 2016-06-21.
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04:08.27OS-26306Hello folks, I am having some issues with 10.11.1.234 which I've rooted, but for the life of me cant figure how trap nina.
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04:21.24picardahello, I'm having this in my log: caught SIGTERM shutting down
04:21.28themilljim: the two pastes were for the same mirror. The different apt* all use the same code to update so that won't help. At that point, look to see if you've got some proxy between you and the mirror
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04:23.34themilljim: and yes, if you're using a proxy like apt-cacher-ng, then please mention that when you're asking about mirrors. It's much more likely to be a proxy problem than a mirror problem.
04:25.38OS-26306In reference to 10.11.1.234, what exactly is meant by trap? Thanks.
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04:30.03jimI'm using apt-cacher-ng
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06:01.55GroenleerHi Folks, i recently (finally) upgraded from Jessy to Stretch. After upgrading my Debian server i noticed the Apache Proxy wasn´t reverse proxying anymore. It returns a 502, Unable to resolve ´hostname´. While ´hostname´ didn´t resolve at first is solved this by entering an additional nameserver in my resolv.conf. Unfortunatly it still isn´t working. The Google tells me to add an / behind the ProxyPass config line, but it is a
06:01.55Groenleerlready there. The site i try to proxy is actually running. As the Apache config was working i was hoping someone in here could point me in the right direction.
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06:13.17GroenleerIs there any change that Apache is doing its own resolving and ignoring the local resolver config ?
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06:14.48themillit's odd that you'd be touching /etc/resolv.conf to help a machine resolve its own hostname
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06:16.42Groenleerwell, the resolving part ´hostname´ doesn´t imply it is it´s own hostname. I just reference an external hostname in the proxypass line.
06:17.05GroenleerSorry, for the unclear statement about that.
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06:19.05GroenleerI can workaround this by setting the ´external hostname´  in the hosts file.
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06:19.24GroenleerTherefor i believe it is not an apache config issue, but something to do with my system.
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07:01.22tdnHow do I make a bootable debian install USB? The debian wiki says: "The current released versions of Debian Install images and Debian Live images are built using isohybrid techniques, which means using them with a USB key is simple and easy, using "dd"" However, I have now tried that on two different USBs and with two different ISOs and it did not boot. I have checked that BIOS is set to boot from USB.
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07:17.47themilltdn: precisely which image and precisely how did you copy it?
07:21.40format_cHi having issues trying to set up a device using netboot. seems netboot installer lacks btrfs support. How can I enable / include btrfs support to the netboot installer?
07:23.04darxmurftdn: it works quite well with something like: dd if=your-iso.iso of=/dev/sdX
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07:26.35tdnthemill, debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso
07:26.46tdnthemill, dd if=/data/software/iso/debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso of=/dev/sdg ; time sync
07:27.08tdndarxmurf, this is what I did. However, when I put it in my machine and reboot it still boots from disk.
07:27.20tdnI tried various isos
07:27.30tdnAnd tried various USB ports as well.
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07:28.59themillIs it BIOS or UEFI? (I assume you checked /dev/sdg was the correct device)
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07:29.55tdnthemill, not UEFI
07:30.21tdnthemill, just took the actual harddrie out of the machine. Then started it up with only USB available. Now it does boot USB
07:30.30themillah
07:30.38tdnSo I guess this is somehow a bios problem. I DO have BIOS set to USB as first boot device
07:30.46themillbios is fun™
07:32.10darxmurfdo you have a F key to popup a boot manager ?
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07:33.40darxmurfthen it should display your devices
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07:34.06darxmurfoh and by the way, I had once a crap USB key I could never use to boot
07:34.21Hooloovo0that's not that rare
07:34.39Hooloovo0definitely try another drive
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07:50.26format_cGot it working. Didn't follow the wiki but used the files from the debian-installer-9-netboot package.
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08:32.04tdnI have used backupninja to backup my mysql dbs for a long time. Since I upgraded to debian 9, I get a warning every night: "Warning: mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'SELECT /*!40001 SQL_NO_CACHE  [.....]  FROM `EVENTS`': Cannot proceed because system tables used by Event Scheduler were found damaged at server start (1577)"   as well as "Warning: Failed to dump mysql databases information_schema"   How do I fix
08:32.10tdnthis?
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09:07.39apollo13likcoras: put differently, what is the argument to use certtool instead of openssl?
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09:08.57likcorasI recall it being easier to deal with than openssl, specifically that you don't need to touch something like openssl.cnf
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09:09.46likcorasapollo13: For instance, for creating a csr with SAN
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09:24.00butzHi. I have a question about fonts. I installed a new font and it looks "fat" (in Thunar and i3bar), like it was bold or medium weight. I only installed the regular weight ttf file, I ran fc-cache. Debian 9, i3wm, i3blocks. Can't reproduce it under Ubuntu+i3wm. Any advice on how to troubleshoot this?
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09:26.48CrucibleHey there I need help I installed debian and have it hooked up via the vga cable but it wont show up on the tv? Do you know why or what I can do?
09:27.17Crucibledebian@debian:~$ lspci | grep VGA
09:27.17Crucible00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 03)
09:27.17Crucibledebian@debian:~$
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09:30.57butzhi crucible. how are you managing your outputs? I use arandr+xrandr and it works well with VGA for me (Debian 9 + i3wm, Thinkpad T431s).
09:32.01CrucibleVGA-1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
09:32.01Crucible<PROTECTED>
09:32.04Cruciblexrandr -q
09:32.08CrucibleBut nothing on tv
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09:32.39CrucibleNo signal on tv it says
09:32.42CrucibleWorked fine on windows
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09:34.06butzshouldn't there be '*' next to the line to indicate 'current mode'?
09:34.07CrucibleWtf thats odd
09:34.17CrucibleI just wiggled around the cable and somehow it detected it
09:34.21CrucibleOkay it works now
09:34.25butz:) nice
09:34.30CrucibleHow can I control the resolution thats on the screen aka the TV?
09:34.34Cruciblexrandr right?
09:34.45CrucibleDef not the right resolution on the tv though lol
09:34.52CrucibleLittle bit is cut off on the end lol
09:35.05butzyupp xrandr. but I use arandr because I'm lazy.
09:35.36CrucibleIs that gui for it?
09:35.56butzyes arandr is just a gui for xrandr
09:36.02CrucibleOkay thanks
09:37.04CrucibleDamn
09:37.05Crucible1360x768      60.02 +
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09:37.11CrucibleBoth resolutions have problems
09:37.31CrucibleMaybe I need to install drivers or shut off the laptop display so more juice goes to the external display?
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09:38.57CrucibleAha
09:39.15CrucibleI turned off the main display and the proper resolution came onto the tv :D
09:40.21butzwhat's your window manager? I use i3 and I need to refresh the window manager for any changes in arandr to be pushed to the displays
09:40.53butzin i3 there is a keybinding for it, not sure how it works in other window managers
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09:41.21CrucibleI used arandr and changed from terminal 7 gui to to another terminal (ctrl + alt f1) then changed back and bang it was all corrected after I applied the unticking to 'Active' display
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09:48.30CrucibleFirefox plugin using 77% CPU that doesnt seem right
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09:52.54butzif you find a reason to that, let me know. i've had that happen too and dont know why.
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09:53.43butzi've heard that some plugin authors may sneak in coin-mining code but I only use a handful plugins from rather trustworthy sources, like https everywhere
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09:57.14nindustriesHi, suppose someone installs debian on a 10GB disk and adds a 40GB one. Is it easy to install debian from cli to the 40GB one?
09:57.53p0g0nindustries: cp -a -x is your friend...
09:57.56nindustriesI can't have access to VNC for installation, that's the problem.
09:58.13nindustriesp0g0: would this work for /boot and bootloader?
09:58.27babilennindustries: Look into debootstrap
09:58.30iderikwhy was evdev replaced with libinput in Stretch? i can barely use my mouse now and there is almost no information on how to reproduce the settings in libinput. shouldn't it be some what "backwards compatible" when you're talking about being stable? the only info ive found is that people complaining and switched back to evdev
09:58.32p0g0You need to manage the blockIDs of the mass storage tho
09:58.35babilendpkg: tell nindustries about debootstrap
09:58.57iderikalso no help in #xorg yet
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10:04.57iderikwhat the hell is going on with this? theres barely any documentation of libinput
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10:08.42JohnAI am setting up (redoing) my server, currently I don't use a gui, or a web based(?) control panel. I do use shh/putty. any suggestion for a gui/CP?
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10:09.12kopperiderik man libinput doesn't have what you need?
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10:33.02rachelfishHiya #debian
10:33.38hiyahey rachelfish
10:33.41rachelfishIs it possible to install a single package from a different apt repo?
10:33.42rachelfishxD
10:33.45rachelfishnice name hiya
10:33.49hiya:P
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10:34.56towo^workrachelfish, be more precise
10:36.06rachelfishtowo^work: I'm using Debian and I want to install the "Abrowser" package from Trisquel, but I don't want any other things from the Trisquel repos
10:37.04towo^workrachelfish, such things are not supported and if this package needs other packages as dependencies, they would even come from there, if they are not in debian
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10:38.07phinxy,v sigrok
10:38.09juddPackage: sigrok on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2-1; jessie: 0.2-3; buster: 0.2-4; sid: 0.2-4
10:38.18phinxyY U NO stretch
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10:40.36owen|2rachelfish: the unsupported way is to grab the .deb file directly from the trisquel archive (which I assume is http://archive.trisquel.info/trisquel/pool ) and try to install it with dpkg. But that probably won't work and/or will be very buggy.
10:41.40phinxyeverything but the frontend is on stretch
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10:42.33phinxyDO you choose from oldstable or testing and hope for the best?
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10:45.55owen|2rachelfish: Or look up "apt pinning", but mixing repositories is bad news and you could end up in a terrible place. I wouldn't try it.
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10:49.58iderikkopper: nope
10:50.59iderikhow can i find out why debian replaced evdev with libinput? mailinglist?
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10:59.50rachelfishThanks for your help towo^work and owen|2
11:00.09rachelfishI ended up just downloading the .deb from the trisquel archive, it installed without issue
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11:02.20ideriki bet debian and ubuntu loosing lots of users because of this, users who are gamers and need their pointer to behave like it used to do. they can switch back to evdev again but i dont think newbies will or know how to do that.
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11:03.17towo^workiderik, libinput is essential for wayland
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11:06.16ideriktowo^work: so debian switched to wayland now?! before its sub components are "stable"? doesnt matter, these users will still leave because its to hard for them
11:06.23towo^workiderik, and afaik it is not debian who has replaced evdev, it was upstream xorg
11:06.51towo^workand i see not where your problem with libinput is
11:06.55ideriksorry, im not bashing on you. im just irritated
11:07.34ideriki cant find any information on how to reproduce my mouse settings from evdev to libinput using xinput
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11:07.49iderikall ive found is that ppl gave up and went back to evdev
11:08.24Rembohello everyone, is there a way to upgrade php 5.3 to 5.4 or high on debian 6 without distribution upgrade? many thanks
11:08.48iderikand no one has even answered in #xorg or #wayland
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11:13.03towo^workiderik, https://www.mankier.com/4/libinput does nopt help?
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11:15.47ideriktowo^work: ive read the manpage. i cant manage to convert evdev's "Constant Deceleration: 4.3636" to libinput's "Speed", which ranges from -1.0 to 1.0
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11:16.26iderikalso there is no property for setting the polling rate of the device, which the "Speed" is depended on (i think).
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11:23.06iderikfuck this, im not going to spend a whole day trying to fix their shit
11:23.22iderikevdev it is
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11:27.33owen|2iderik: Question on your problem, although I probably can't help - is the issue that xinput doesn't work without evdev installed?
11:29.11WhereIsTwinkeyis this channel allows bots ?
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11:31.25iderikowen|2: xinput works fine. xinput is somekind of higher-level frontend for evdev or libinput, so you can change settings when system is running. xinput works fine for libinput, its libinput that is the problem
11:31.38galex-713Hi
11:31.58galex-713When I ping, whatever the interface (ethernet, wifi, 3g modem) 3 out of 4 packets are dropped, according ping
11:32.07galex-713what could it be caused from?
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11:34.04WhereIsTwinkeygalex-713: try asking gurus in #networking
11:34.52WhereIsTwinkeygalex-713: here are only skunky peasants who only knows debian
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11:40.10abrotmanWhereIsTwinkey: that's unnecessary
11:40.34beo3625galex-713: so you are running "ping -c 4 IP_ADDRESS"?
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11:41.28beo3625galex-713: or do you give a hostname (which must be resolved to an IP address)?
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11:45.18galex-713beo3625, I give a hostname, but afaik ping resolves it once for all
11:45.27galex-713and it just pings forever and most pings are lost
11:45.42__[0_0]__'once for all'?
11:45.48__[0_0]__can you resolve the hostname?
11:45.56__[0_0]__dig <hostname>
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11:47.21beo3625galex-713: so you get the same packet loss (around 25%) if you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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11:48.16CrucibleWhy ping a Google DNS Server beo3625 ?
11:48.37galex-713beo3625, ping says me I get 58% packet loss
11:49.08Crucible0% Packet loss for me. 0.978ms lag
11:49.11galex-713oh never mind! beo3625 you’re right! it’s my server!
11:49.24beo3625galex-713: ??
11:49.28galex-713actually pinging 8.8.8.8 loose no packet
11:49.35beo3625galex-713: okay
11:50.45galex-713Damn I really need to reinstall that old 2-3-yo server that I never updated and probably got cracked :/
11:50.48galex-713especially that I use it for my emails…
11:50.51beo3625Crucible: just to rule out the packet loss is caused by a specific target
11:51.26CrucibleHis net is probably just experiencing turbulence
11:51.37beo3625Crucible: maybe so
11:51.54jellylikcoras: openssl CLI defualts are dumb, but once we've made a template .csr.conf with SAN it's a sunk cost, no real reason to switch
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11:52.20totoruxHi
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11:52.39totoruxI have a problem with pressed
11:53.07totoruxwhen I try to execute d-i preseed/late_command string chroot /target /bin/bash -c "dpkg-reconfigure `dpkg -l | grep -Ei "linux-i....-.\." | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -r | head -n1`"
11:53.13totoruxis not working
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11:53.53totoruxbut if I try in a shell in the net install this: /bin/bash -c "dpkg-reconfigure `dpkg -l | grep -Ei "linux-i....-.\." | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -r | head -n1`"
11:53.56totoruxis working
11:54.01totoruxany idear ?
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11:58.05schoppenhauerhi. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto is "obsolete documentation". is there some other documentation on how to generate a simple local repository?
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12:01.34schoppenhauerare simple repos not supported anymore?
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12:04.18schoppenhauerok, apparently, they are not
12:04.20schoppenhauermeh
12:04.51jellyschoppenhauer: apt complains about any unsigned repo, so yeah
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12:05.28schoppenhauerjelly: is there some thingy that can generate a repo from a list of local package files?
12:05.38schoppenhauerjelly: and maybe a gpg key or something
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12:19.49Cl0udN9ne,v sdl2
12:19.50juddNo package named 'sdl2' was found in amd64.
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12:20.23Cl0udN9newhy is debian so explicit
12:22.37likcorasjelly: Eh, but the cost for switching is basically nothing. The certtool config is much simpler to deal with (at first glance, at least), apart from a really intuitive ui.
12:22.52likcorasI guess one critical bad thing is the lack of good documentation.
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12:23.23likcorasI had to struggle quite a lot to find out how to make SAN csrs with certtool.
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12:25.11alkisgHi, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau says version 1:1.0.13-3 is available for Stretch. For some troubleshooting, I want to find the previous version, 1:1.0.13-2. Is there any place to download the previous .deb?
12:25.39babilendpkg: snapshot
12:25.39dpkghttp://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free.  This service replaces snapshot.debian.net.  http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
12:25.48babilenalkisg: ^
12:26.05alkisgThanks a lot, looking.l..
12:26.28GNU\colossuscool. didn't know that.
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12:30.01Rembohello everyone, is there a way to upgrade php 5.3 to 5.4 or high on debian 6 without distribution upgrade? many thanks
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12:32.32GNU\colossusRembo, short answer: no
12:32.33FinalXRembo: current stable has 7.0, old stable has 5.6. old old stable, wheezy is no longer supported and already had 5.3. if you're still using pre-wheezy, you *REALLY* need to upgrade your distribution.
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12:32.43FinalXeh, wheezy already had 5.4, I meant.
12:33.06twdeb6 fell out of lts in 2016.
12:33.12FinalX...and not just for the sake of PHP...
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12:35.19FinalXadditionally, PHP's own security updates for 5.3 have stopped in august 2014, and Ubuntu has kept it going with their LTS release until april this year.. you should've thought about your upgrade plans long before that already imo.
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12:58.31totoruxAny one can help me with presseed ?
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13:29.01jonathan_xI honestly didn't think upgrading to 9 would be this pesky.
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13:40.16BlackBishopis there an iptables service in stretch ?
13:40.37jonathan_xBut now I have put back a backup of 8 and I find that postgresql doesn't even work in Debian 8 anymore...
13:41.07BlackBishopfound iptables-persistent
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13:45.41GNU\colossusjonathan_x, Postgres 8 is long discontinued upstream
13:46.09GNU\colossusif you have a dump, you could restore into a cluster of an up-to-date release
13:46.18jelly,v postgresql
13:46.19juddPackage: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 10+185; sid: 10+185
13:46.21jonathan_xWell it is the release in Jessie
13:46.25jonathan_xOh
13:46.31jellyjonathan_x: release of what in what?
13:46.32jonathan_xI mean 9.4
13:46.42jonathan_xPostgresql 9.4 stopped working for me for a reason I cannot divine.
13:46.47jonathan_xSorry
13:46.49GNU\colossuspg_lsclusters
13:46.58GNU\colossusdoes it show the cluster as down?
13:47.05GNU\colossusif so, take a look into its logfile
13:47.11GNU\colossus(also displayed there)
13:47.23jonathan_xIt says it refuses to start because of too many arguments "pg_ctl: too many command-line arguments (first is "start")"
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13:47.39GNU\colossushow did you try to start the service?
13:47.50jonathan_xsystemctl start postgresql
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13:48.30GNU\colossusthen I guess something is wrong with your packages... can you check where postgresql-common is coming from on your system?
13:49.50jellyand what do the logs say
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13:50.36GNU\colossusalso, please nopaste the output of  `systemctl cat postgresql\*`
13:50.38jonathan_xFrom jessie/main
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13:51.01jonathan_xBut there is one in backports too
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13:54.29jonathan_xThis is cat output: https://nopaste.xyz/?3807917fedd863a5#l3HevAqR5VcVXA0l3Cmllxu0w566HfYYWnbDkbvfhMw=
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13:56.35jonathan_xInstalled packages: postgresql 9.4+165+deb8u2 postgresql-9.4 9.4.13-0+deb8u1 postgresql-client-9.4 9.4.13-0+deb8u1 postgresql-client-common 165+deb8u2 postgresql-common 165+deb8u2 postgresql-doc 9.4+165+deb8u2 postgresql-doc-9.4 9.4.13-0+deb8u1
13:57.51jonathan_xSo postgresql is deb8u2, -9.4 is deb8u1, -common is deb8u2
13:58.38GNU\colossusjonathan_x, please also nopaste the last few lines of the failing cluster's logfile, and the output of pg_lsclusters.
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14:02.05jonathan_xThe log file is empty but
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14:02.12jonathan_x9.4 main    5432 down   postgres /var/lib/postgresql/9.4/main /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-9.4-main.log
14:02.41jonathan_xI only see the too many arguments output when I try to start it by hand.
14:03.49swordfischerhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835148 - I'm running debian stable, kernel 4.9.0.3 and gcc6 - trying to install nvidia-kernel-dkms it fails because the kernel does not support PIC mode.. I can't really seem to figure out how I can proceed?
14:03.50juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/835148 in gcc-6 (closed, patch): «gcc-6: please enable PIE hardening flags by default on amd64 ppc64el and s390x»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-08-22; last modified: 2017-03-04.
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14:05.31jellymmm, PIE
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14:05.44swordfischer:(
14:06.14swordfischerI mean, it must be a problem with my configuration, I wouldn't assume everyone who runs Stable is having issues installing nvidia-kernel-dkms
14:06.49twI can't recall which kernel I'm using. I suspect it's not the hardened one.
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14:07.32jonathan_xThis is the syslog error
14:07.33jonathan_xOct 02 16:04:18 perfection postgresql@9.4-main[9457]: Error: could not exec /usr/lib/postgresql/9.4/bin/pg_ctl /usr/lib/postgresql/9.4/bin/pg_ctl start -D /var/lib/postgresql/9.4/main -l /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-9.4-main.log -s -o  -c config_file="/etc/postgresql/9.4/main/postgresql.conf"
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14:07.50jonathan_xGNU\colossus: ^^
14:08.35GNU\colossusjonathan_x, "starting by hand" means you execute `pg_ctlcluster 9.4 main start` as root or postgres?
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14:08.43jonathan_xas postgres
14:08.54jonathan_xOh I did not try that command
14:09.28jellythat hostname does not appear accurate
14:09.31jellyhides
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14:10.02jonathan_xMaybe it's a path error, I am checking all permissions.
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14:10.49GNU\colossusjonathan_x, does the cluster contain any important data?
14:10.51paskyHi! How can I list pinned packages so that I can potentially unpin them before upgrade?
14:11.08jonathan_xOkay I'm dumb.
14:11.15jonathan_xUser error here.
14:11.21paskyAll I found is "look at /etc/apt/preferences*" but all my pins were created using apt-get -t which stores the pins in some different undocumented location.
14:11.32jonathan_xWell not terribly but that's not important.
14:11.43GNU\colossusso what was your mistake? :)
14:11.47jonathan_xI su'd to postgres and found I cannot go the full path :p.
14:11.54jonathan_xI had removed world execute rights to some directory.
14:12.16jonathan_xWithout realizing what would happen I guess :p.
14:12.17jonathan_x:(.
14:12.20jonathan_xHaha, sorry.
14:12.22GNU\colossus:(
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14:14.38jonathan_xusermod postgres -a -G www-data solves the problem :p.
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14:15.18jonathan_xWell thanks for helping, your command gave me the hint.
14:15.23jonathan_xI didn't know about it.
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14:16.02jonathan_xThere was no meaningful log output anywhere.
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14:16.36jonathan_xpasky: dpkg -C
14:16.57jonathan_xHmm.
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14:19.42paskysorry but neither holds for me; dpkg -C seems to be the same as dpkg audit, but it shows only problematic files
14:19.52paskyapt-mark showhold shows, well, holds, not pins
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14:19.58jonathan_xWhat are pins?
14:20.05jonathan_xPinned files?
14:21.01paskyWhatever apt-get install -t ... creates, as far as I'm concerned.
14:21.21pasky(Also, I have no idea how to _remove_ the pins even for packages I do know are pinned.)
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14:26.07jonathan_xpasky: It is not written to /etc/apt/preferences?
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14:27.13paskyNope. But maybe it's actually not saved anywhere and I was just confused beause the packages I looked at were actually removed from testing and stable and left just in sid, and apt just went there as the only available source of upgrade.
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14:28.28jonathan_xI thought it was just a one-time thing.
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14:29.08jonathan_xThe only configuration for this should be in /etc/apt/
14:29.15jonathan_xNot in /var/lib/apt/
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14:30.58jonathan_xAnyway so yesterday I was mistaken about the new systemd from stretch not being compatible with 9.4 postgresql.
14:31.19jonathan_xSomeone said it was a known issue but it was just my bad permissions.
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14:32.02jonathan_xThat means I don't really need to upgrade to 9.6
14:32.12jonathan_xI can have half stretch / half jessie if I want :p.
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14:32.59jonathan_xSo Apache2 doesn't force a PHP upgrade.
14:33.08jonathan_xAlso*.
14:33.41jonathan_xBut it was said there is a openssl imcompatibility from stretch to php 5.6
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14:35.53manticorpusHello there, I have some problem with one USB device. After some events, the device become not detected. The only way to get it back, is to unplug/plug, event a shutdown doesn't solve the case. Any idea how can I debug this problem ?
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14:37.32Brigomanticorpus, did you try unpluging the computer after the shutdown?
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14:38.22manticorpusbrigo, no I unplug the device when the system is on
14:39.01hicks_some devices become unresponsive if they're put into sleep
14:39.09hicks_that's device sleep not pc sleep
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14:39.31hicks_might be worth checking if that's happening and if so you can blacklist a specific usb device from being put into a sleep mode
14:39.49manticorpushicks: mhhh that's probably that
14:39.56hicks_I had a mouse that had issues with that, it would after a time of idleness be put into power saving and that was that, had to replug it
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14:40.16Brigomanticorpus, i meant unplug the computer, not the device after shutdown. If not the device has still energy.
14:40.46manticorpusbrigo: mhhh the power led was shutdown so I suppose there is no more 5v
14:41.04manticorpusbut i will try as soon as I can reproduct the error
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14:41.24manticorpushicks: I will discuss about that with the hardware engineers
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14:43.24Alina-malinahow can i upgrade my nginx from debian 8 repositories to latest one? i have ancient version of it there installed
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14:44.31manticorpusbrigo: Ok same behavior if I unplug the power of the pc
14:45.59Brigoyou have  jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2
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14:48.03manticorpusbrigo : Linux 1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:48.47Brigomanticorpus, that message was for Alina-malina
14:48.57manticorpusbrigo: hahah sorry ;)
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14:49.16Brigomanticorpus, my fault :)
14:49.17Alina-malinamanticorpus, what is that?
14:49.46manticorpusalina-malina: Just one error from my side, don't worry
14:49.50jonathan_x,v nginx
14:49.51juddPackage: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
14:49.52judd1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.5-1; sid: 1.13.5-1
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14:50.17jonathan_xBackports is same version as stretch.
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14:51.53iderikhow do i switch back to evdev for my mouse? xorg forced libinput when upgrading to stretch. evdev is installed, but i dont know how to change it from libinput to evdev.
14:51.58jonathan_x,v lvm2
14:51.59juddPackage: lvm2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.02.95-8; jessie: 2.02.111-2.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02.168-2; buster: 2.02.173-1; sid: 2.02.173-1
14:53.43GNU\colossusAlina-malina, nginx also provides repositories of their own: http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html#distributions
14:53.53GNU\colossus(I don't know anything about the quality of their packages, however)
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14:55.03Alina-malinaok i think i found the issue, thanks guys there was other repositories, i removed those and got a new version
14:55.05Alina-malinathanks to all!!
14:56.23Brigoiderik, can you remove it?
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15:00.52magnuluI have set up a homebrew nas.. occasionally I get local system generated emails, and I would like to have the email or a notification sent to pushover in this case.. any pointers on how to do this?
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15:03.12iderikBrigo: yes, how can i be sure xorg will start using evdev instead? i dont want to restart the computer and suddenly keyboard and mouse stopped working, wont be an easy fix then
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15:04.05Brigoiderik, check google. I think there is some answers there.
15:04.39manticorpusbrigo, hicks : Thanks for the support, apparently the problem was hardware, with one pin not on the ground.
15:05.00Brigomanticorpus, np
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15:10.41iderikBrigo: not easy to find information about this, atleast not more specific cases like mine. might be some more general, like "how to set input library", but not sure what to search for
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15:11.35somiajusually stuff like this is done in an xorg.conf snippet, either in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/foo.conf
15:12.14schoppenhaueris there any software that can create a package repository from a list of package files?
15:12.44TeslasMHDHow can I change the local UNIX password if kerberos is activated and running on my system? passwd let me only change the kerberos password. Thanks!
15:12.54somiajiderik: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Evdev#Keyboard_layout something like that, notice how the xorg.conf file is stilling xorg to use the Driver "evdev"
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15:13.41somiajschoppenhauer: Is this list packages you are making or ones from debian?
15:13.52schoppenhauersomiaj: I am making
15:14.03schoppenhauersomiaj: and it is only a local repository
15:14.26somiajschoppenhauer: I would start here -- https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup
15:14.52schoppenhauerI have read that
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15:15.15jonathan_xChrist saying "NO" to an automatic restart question and it wants to fix my system by removing 100MB worth of packages...
15:15.42somiajschoppenhauer: then you should have seen https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup#local-apt-repository which is in stretch, seems to be along the lines of what you want.
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15:16.29somiajjonathan_x: what did you do to break your system? Sometimes when using a desktop you have to be careful if removing a single part of the desktop as it will take the meta package with it. You can fix this by changing the auto/manual status of smaller meta-packages thant he one you are using.
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15:17.12jonathan_xsomiaj: No I was just explicitly installing packages from stretch while having jessie as default distro
15:17.43jonathan_xsomiaj : in that case apt-get install -f is broken.
15:18.05schoppenhauersomiaj: looks promising
15:18.42AndreasLutroif you're installing packages from a different version of debian you can't blame debian for being broken
15:18.46schoppenhauersomiaj: thx
15:18.49ideriksomiaj: thanks! my xorg.conf doesnt contain neither evdev or libinput, also those other conf files doesnt exist for me
15:19.48jonathan_xIt has nothing to do with the packages but the package system.
15:19.57jonathan_xDebian is not broken, the package system is broken.
15:20.15jonathan_xSo how do I downgrade a package? :-/.
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15:22.31somiajiderik: by default there will be no xorg.conf and it will auto detect things. But if you create an xorg.conf (or xorg.conf.d/foo.conf) file it will be read and those settings will override auto detection
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15:22.48somiaj!don't break debian
15:22.49dpkgi heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
15:23.05somiajjonathan_x: ^^ -- mixing releases of debian is not supported and a known thing that can break your system.
15:24.04somiajthe logic in apt only allows for upgrades, not down grades, and if you mix releases you can get in dependency loops that sometimes the only way apt can solve them is removing a ton of packages. In general mixing sources.list is a good way to break apt
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15:24.13ideriksomiaj: i know that "dont break debian" isnt for me, but the devs themselves just fking broke it be letting xorg using libinput
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15:25.02somiajiderik: this was more xorg, xorg swtichedto libinput as the default. So this means that in the case libinput doesn't suit your needs you ahve to manually configure xorg to get it to use edev, which you can do. So it isn't broken, it is just how the autodetction works.
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15:25.32somiajiderik: be lucky you live in the day of xorg autodetection. One use to have to write a custom xorg.conf file for their hardware/server every install, this is much nicer (though you do have to use a config file if you don't like the defaults it detects)
15:26.45somiajyou would ahve to follow the bug reports, maybe mailing lists to see why xorg and debian swtiched to libinput as the default, but from what I hear it is a nicer driver in most circumstances.
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15:30.40jonathan_xsomiaj: The mixes of releases never broke my system.
15:31.04jonathan_xsomiaj: The package system will just break down when you are doing something that is supported.
15:31.18eternosup
15:31.24jonathan_xIn other words, using the -t flag but getting a question will break the system.
15:31.55jonathan_xAnd it is incredibly painful to reverse any operation.
15:32.07jonathan_xWhen a package system is precisely something that could allow that easily.
15:32.10somiajjonathan_x: this is how mixing releases breaks systems. It is due to dependency issues between the systems.
15:32.10jonathan_xPeriod.
15:32.23jonathan_xsomiaj: No there are no dependency issues.
15:32.53jonathan_xThe package manager just makes the wrong choices.
15:33.00ideriksomiaj: yeah, im sure libinput is good. but as a gamer the mouse has to behaive like it used to do. changing the formula how the mouse works is a big no for gamers
15:36.35f3bruaryanyone happen to know an app for linux that can record an audio stream (while its playing)
15:37.14twI think pulse will let you do that with any recording app, if you change the recording input.
15:37.15txif you are using pulse audio
15:37.21txyou should be able to set up a monitor on any output
15:37.28jonathan_xf3bruary: Audatious or something?
15:37.43txin fact, the monitor creates itself
15:38.09txhttps://bt.is/Xiao-1506958680.png :) (pavucontrol)
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15:38.43f3bruaryim playing a stream (drm free) in pimusicbox, and id like to record it at the same time to fal back on when the connection is down
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15:40.12simbalionHow do I rollback an upgrade of a specific package?
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15:41.10jonathan_xsimbalion: apt install packagename/jessie
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15:44.44at0m!downgrades
15:44.44dpkgDowngrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt.  Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades.  Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number.  See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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15:49.40swordfischerhm, recently restarted my server, and now the disk UUID has changed. and it looks like the FS as well.  UUID="h6achoef-k3nm-4>dc-cn0c-35b059cg3`7n" h6achoef-k3nm-4\x3edc-cn0c-35b059cg3\x607n -> ../../sde1
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15:50.14swordfischersmart does not report any problems with the drive at all
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15:50.50butzcan anyone recommend resources to understand how fonts are displayed in debian/i3wm? I installed a font and it looks "fat", like if the bold or medium/heavy weight version was being used (only installed regular weight file). I don't have the same problem under ubuntu+i3wm.
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15:53.59teraflopsbutz: create a font configuration file at ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
15:54.25teraflopsubuntu ships more config files regarding fonts
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15:56.02teraflopsdepending on the font and your terminal/emulator/ screen size you have to specify the right font size too
15:56.18butzteraflops: thanks I'll check those out
15:57.07teraflopsalso otf vs ttf. it might need different rendering settings
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16:10.44bazhangjonathan_x, #debian-offtopic for chatter please
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16:11.05jonathan_xGreat that you find a single sentence worth your time of complaining.
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16:36.58tx_coderIs anyone available to help troubleshoot a bluetooth audio issue? Searches and forums have not been helpful yet
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16:57.29kruugIs there a way to "backport" from SID?
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16:57.52kruugrunning buster, and I need `firmware-b43-installer` but it doesn't exist for that release yet
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17:00.18towo`kruug, then install it from sid
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17:05.41kruugtowo`: I'm getting confused on the documentation...do you have a good link to how to install just this one package from Sid?
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17:09.49towo`kruug, the easyest way would be, download the deb, install it manualy
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17:10.13towo`kruug, btw, sid has the same version like debian stretch
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17:11.35towo`kruug, so if you add a line for debian stable to your sources, you can install it normal with apt
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17:38.59uzivatelhello guys , i have a minor trouble.When i boot my system it hangs sometimes and freezes. The screen blanks before the slim page.I tried to switch into tty1 but the screen is blank too.Any idea, thank you
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17:42.40WhereIsTwinkeydriver problem ?
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17:46.14towo`uzivatel, look in the relevant logfiles
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17:55.31uzivateltowo:i tried nothing interesting
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18:00.04Danny^^PHi! I did a update to Debian 9. First everything was OK, than I did a reboot. Now I get the login prompt, but when I try to login, I get redirected to the login screen again
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18:07.08jelly-homeDanny^^P, does logging in at the text console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) work?
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18:07.38Danny^^Pjelly-home: No even this is not possible
18:08.23wjtaylor_Why isn't this working (as root): find . -type d -perm /644 -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755
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18:14.34abrotmanwjtaylor_: which part doesn't work?
18:14.46BrigoDanny^^P, you have to access logs by any means
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18:29.31xpIs there a reason to defrag my HDD if I use debian?
18:29.59abrotmandefrag what with what?
18:30.07abrotmandpkg: defrag
18:30.07dpkgi guess defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space
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18:30.27jelly-homexp, if it's a ssd, no, if it's a hdd, but you keep your filesystems not filled up to brim, then no as wekk
18:30.31jelly-homewell!
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18:32.13jelly-homexp, there are benefits in defragmenting very old, very mature filesystem instances in some specific situations, but in those cases doing a backup/reformat/restore is better than using a defragmenting tool
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18:44.53myceldefrag was fun watching back in the g'old times
18:45.29shtrblike root canal treatment ?
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18:47.37somiajshtrb: think of the good drugs you could get.
18:47.58somiajthough even then I wouldn't call it fun.
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18:48.26shtrbsomiaj, I'm afraid to see the bill after
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18:57.17rotaticusi liked electricsheep much more than defrag
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18:59.21rotaticusbut it's gone ... where is the package electricsheep
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18:59.51jelly-homethose distributed computing fractal screensaver thingies?
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19:00.27rotaticusdamn they were beautifull
19:00.31jelly-homethey've gone non-free a decade ago or so
19:00.41jelly-homeiirc
19:00.44rotaticusoh .. :(
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19:01.19jelly-homeyou can still download it from them apparently https://electricsheep.org/
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19:01.55jelly-home> The regular free Electric Sheep are at TV resolution and aspect ratio. The Gold Sheep are HD and widescreen, with double the number of total pixels. Not only that, the Gold Sheep have 250% higher bandwidth due to better compression settings.
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19:05.16jelly-homeyeah, they use CC-BY-NC which is not debian-compliant.  I guess if the code was still free the package could be in contrib.
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19:06.49rotaticuslike flam3 ?
19:07.34rotaticusthanks for pushing me forward xD
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19:10.06jelly-home,i flam3
19:10.07juddPackage flam3 (graphics, optional) in stretch/amd64: render and animate FLAM3s and manipulate their genomes. Version: 3.0.1-5+b1; Size: 729.7k; Installed: 3116k; Homepage: https://github.com/scottdraves/flam3; O: #711285
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19:25.43magnuluI try to set up ufw and openvpn client on stretch (I have done this before on wheezy), and I run into the error "write UDP: Operation not permitted (code=1)"
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19:26.19magnuluin my rules I have "80.67.8.198 1194/udp       ALLOW OUT   Anywhere"
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19:26.43magnuluthe IP and port are correct
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19:27.49magnuluwith ufw disabled everything works
19:28.18magnuluin my head it should be working like this, but I am obviously missing something
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19:34.55MC_ErroneousHi , i have a Debian on this machine, but i cant find a ".inputrc"-file....
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19:36.23n-iCeMC_Erroneous: check /etc
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19:37.04MC_Erroneousdone, "find / -name .inputrc"
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19:48.01MC_Erroneoushow do i configure readline, since this does not work https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/72119/ctrl-a-does-not-take-me-to-the-beginning-of-the-prompt-while-i-am-working-within
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19:51.52MC_Erroneousn-iCe: do you know Debian ?
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19:52.47n-iCewhat
19:53.02MC_Erroneousdid you find the mentioned file on your system ?
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19:53.26n-iCeyes, in etc
19:53.27n-iCeI told you
19:53.37MC_Erroneousgood ..good..
19:54.08MC_Erroneousyou found it.., appy irth-day ..
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19:54.51jelly-homejudd: file inputrc
19:54.56juddSearch for inputrc in stretch/amd64: im-config: etc/X11/xinit/xinputrc; readline-common: usr/share/readline/inputrc; liblambda-term-ocaml-dev: usr/share/doc/liblambda-term-ocaml-dev/lambda-term-inputrc; libreadline7: usr/share/doc/libreadline7/examples/Inputrc; libreadline5: usr/share/doc/libreadline5/examples/Inputrc; pari-gp: usr/share/doc/pari-gp/examples/Inputrc; xiterm+thai:
19:54.58juddusr/share/doc/xiterm+thai/examples/inputrc; yafc: usr/share/doc/yafc/examples/inputrc; emacspeak: usr/share/doc/emacspeak/examples/stumpwm/xinputrc; libreadline-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libreadline-java-doc/examples/test/tinputrc; octave-common: usr/share/octave/4.0.3/m/startup/inputrc
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19:56.56jelly-homeMC_Erroneous, /usr/share/doc/packagename often has useful docs, as the content of libreadline7 package shows
19:57.00teraflopsMC_Erroneous: you do have to create ~/.inputrc
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19:58.22MC_Erroneousteraflops: sounds interessting, and how do i do that ? just touch, or vi , or ... ?
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19:59.03jelly-homeMC_Erroneous, use an editor, vi is fine
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20:01.11jonathan_xThus far I've only upgraded Grub, Lvm2, and Apache to stretch :p.
20:01.30MC_Erroneoussomebody knows which packet provides .inputrc
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20:01.45jonathan_xIt is a file you have to create
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20:01.50jonathan_xAnd you put bindings in it
20:01.53jonathan_xFor the keys
20:02.08jonathan_xBut normally it would work off the shelve.
20:02.24jonathan_xI have had to do it on a NAS device.
20:02.29jonathan_xVery annoying I think.
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20:02.52teraflopsMC_Erroneous: i already told you, since you have to create it manually, no package provides it
20:03.14jonathan_xActually it also exists in /etc/inputrc
20:03.23MC_Erroneousso where do i take the example from ?
20:03.25teraflopssame for e.g ~/.XCompose, you reate it manually
20:03.29teraflopscreate^
20:03.33MC_Erroneousa manpage maybe ?
20:03.51teraflopsMC_Erroneous: depending on your goal
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20:04.09teraflopsthe intertubes are full of examples
20:04.11jonathan_xMC_Erroneous: Just do cat /etc/inputrc first.
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20:05.21MC_Erroneousjonathan_x: i was looking for .inputrc
20:05.36jonathan_xMC_Erroneous: It's gonna be the same file man.
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20:05.47jonathan_xMC_Erroneous: With the same type of contents I mean. You wanted an example. That is it.
20:06.00MC_Erroneous<PROTECTED>
20:06.09jonathan_xMC_Erroneous: You'll have to do something yourself you know, or just google.
20:06.27MC_Erroneousjonathan_x: thanks ..
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20:09.51MC_Erroneousjonathan_x: irc needs you.....
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20:14.15MC_Erroneousjonathan_x: you solved my trouble , i just copied inputrc to .inputrc in /etc/ -directory...
20:14.27jonathan_xLol.
20:14.31jonathan_xWell that was easy wasn't it, thanks.
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20:25.43jonathan_x,v owncloud
20:25.44juddPackage: owncloud on amd64 -- jessie-security: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u3
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20:26.07jonathan_xI wonder why that package was removed...
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20:29.07tw#858086
20:29.08juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/858086 in release.debian.org (closed, jessie): «RM: owncloud -- RoM; unsupportable»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-03-18; last modified: 2017-06-04.
20:30.28twSecurity problems, api instability, dependent package breakage. Owncloud/nextcloud is basically a CF.
20:31.11teraflopsclustrefuck
20:31.17teraflopster^
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20:36.06teraflops,v seafile
20:36.07juddNo package named 'seafile' was found in amd64.
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20:36.41teraflopsI tried safile a couple of years ago and it wasnt that bad
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20:58.53jonathan_xIt seems the problem with Owncloud was that they insisted users take a step by step upgrade process from one database to the next without providing the mechanism for it
20:59.01Lybertahi, I'm running postfix but get an error: https://paste.debian.net/988773/ help?
20:59.02jonathan_xAnd then putting it on downstream to achieve that path.
20:59.04jonathan_xtw
21:01.03jonathan_xMost of the developers seemed rather arrogant and not willing to concede that it's their job to provide an upgrade mechanism.
21:01.19preactionthat's operations! i'm a developer!
21:01.36jonathan_xAnd when it's undoable they blame the ones who try to skip it.
21:02.07jonathan_xI'm a developer too, what's you point? :p.
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21:04.22teraflopsI'm enveloper
21:04.25preactionmy point is that too many developers find operations tasks beneath them, and feel that supporting users (or even having users) of the software is unnecessary to the project's goals
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21:08.18jonathan_xRight.
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21:08.32jonathan_xI get a bit depressed from reading their emails.
21:09.02jonathan_xThey insist on pooping out new versions each year but don't have time to ensure the databases can be upgraded.
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21:10.12jonathan_xI mean just from reading that it is clear my 7.0 instance won't be upgradable at all.
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21:13.48jonathan_xI am used to WordPress, it may not always work as well but at least it always has a database upgrade feature...
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21:20.52christia2hey guys! I have a question, how should i modify my sources.list to start using testing instead of stable?
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21:21.07n-iCe!testing
21:21.07dpkgTesting is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
21:21.25n-iCe!jessie->stretch
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21:30.17teraflops!buster sources list
21:30.30teraflops:\
21:31.48annadanechristia2, just replace "stable" with "testing" or preferably, replace "stretch" with "buster" so you don't get a nasty surprise when bullseye becomes the new testing
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21:33.41christia2annadane: even on stretch/updates?
21:33.56annadaneyep
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21:34.38christia2annadane: and then just upgrade?
21:35.01annadaneyou need to then apt update + apt dist-upgrade
21:35.06christia2ok
21:35.21annadanejust be aware of what apt is telling you so it doesn't remove 5738455 files
21:35.33annadaneyou can apt upgrade to do it safely if there's some kind of transition happening
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22:10.27laertusanyone know of a command-line utility that can turn rows to columns and columns to rows?
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22:11.01Svetawould be useful to know the input data file format
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22:17.23laertusdatamash.. that's what i was looking for
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22:18.22_aeris_hello #debian !
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22:20.14mmpHello; with a recent (~few months) update, my debian unstable setup started to not recognize my second (and USB) hard drive partitions on reboot
22:20.21_aeris_so i'm not able to compile a working armhf golang-go with the patch with pbuilder, because no working golang-go armhf :D
22:20.37_aeris_is there any solution to break the loop ?
22:21.06mmpthe second hard drive is in fstab, but systemd fails waiting for the device; if I get dropped to the prompt, I can see /dev/sdb, but not /dev/sdb1. If I run e.g. fstab /dev/sdb (basically anything that triggers partition table reread), everything starts to work
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22:31.51Andocromndoes anyone have knowledge on systemd?  I'm trying to modify some systemd unit files, most of the systemd documentation refers to /usr/lib/systemd/system/ however this directory doesn't exist on my system
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22:36.34acperkinsAndocromn: according to systemd.unit(5) it's /lib/systemd/system
22:37.10Andocromndo you know is that something debian speific?
22:38.11dondelelcaroAndocromn: it's /lib because it has to be present in early boot before /usr is moutned
22:38.22dondelelcaroAndocromn: other systems have merged / and /usr, so it can be in /usr
22:38.47Andocromnahh, understood.  thanks for the info
22:38.54dondelelcaroAndocromn: but in any event, you shouldn't need to worry about where the actual location is; you can just do systemctl edit foo; or similar
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22:48.13Andocromnthanks looks like that workd
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23:32.15mrchaoticaHi, is the AMD RX Vega 56 supported in Debian by any means short of compiling a custom kernel yet?
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