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| 01:56.58 | outcast | frogger thing |
| 01:57.21 | outcast | greets all |
| 01:58.25 | outcast | Stretch dumps back to login launching app. Any app. Anyone know Y? |
| 01:59.41 | outcast | launches app, 200 ms delay then bkgd goes black. Alt-F2 and back and am at login. |
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| 02:00.05 | outcast | any one got directions to the interstate? |
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| 02:02.07 | tw | outcast: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 02:02.25 | outcast | will chk |
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| 02:23.15 | linoobx | When I perform apt-get install nasm it gives me version 2.12.01. However, I am trying to compile mpv, which requires nasm minimum nasm 2.13 for x264 support. Someone at #mpv suggested that I, "install 2.13 from the debian testing repos." Is there anyone here who could explain to a total Linux-noob how to accomplish this? |
| 02:24.37 | dvs | !tell linoobx about ssb |
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| 02:24.48 | linoobx | The same person who told me that recommended that I come here for assistance with that. |
| 02:24.52 | outcast | tw ? still around? |
| 02:25.51 | outcast | I've got some kernel g-shell errs and and some g-task errors in messages log |
| 02:26.00 | joebobjoe | Help. I cannot find manpages-dev files on my system. aptitude says it is installed, but dpkg says it isn't (tried a dpkg -L devpages-man) |
| 02:26.22 | joebobjoe | I had to reset the system when aptitude was running, did I corrupt something |
| 02:27.20 | outcast | joebobjoe: probably - broken packages |
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| 02:28.28 | joebobjoe | apt or whatever told me to run dpkg --configure -a and it did finish the work it was doing before the reset |
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| 02:30.29 | linoobx | dvs: ssb = Site-specific browser ? |
| 02:31.11 | dvs | linoobx, dpkg sent you something |
| 02:31.39 | linoobx | ah, ok. |
| 02:31.49 | outcast | joebobjoe: Should be good. U did apt-update first right? |
| 02:32.44 | joebobjoe | outcast: um |
| 02:33.25 | outcast | :-X |
| 02:33.27 | linoobx | "check for a backport on <debian-backports>." ...um, how do I do that? |
| 02:34.17 | dvs | linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-bakports |
| 02:34.36 | outcast | anyone here have stretch, amd64 with a disabled CPU, NVIDIA dsp running w/o problems? |
| 02:34.40 | dvs | linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-backports |
| 02:35.07 | linoobx | linoobxdebian-bakports dpkgI don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:35.19 | dvs | linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-backports |
| 02:35.20 | linoobx | o_O |
| 02:35.32 | outcast | one of the cores disabled on the CPU that is that runs? |
| 02:35.36 | joebobjoe | outcast: ok I'm dumb. didn't realize there was no man-page named linux |
| 02:36.35 | joebobjoe | dpkg-query -L manpages-dev still says it is not installed, even though apt says it is |
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| 02:45.09 | outcast | joebobjoe: was it man -a intro what you wanted |
| 02:45.19 | outcast | man linux? |
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| 02:46.28 | outcast | anyone here have stretch, amd64 with one disabled core and NVIDIA dsply running w/o problems? |
| 02:47.24 | joebobjoe | outcast: thanks. I'm trying to find out where the documentation for <linux/limits.h> is |
| 02:48.40 | linoobx | " 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); " " You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". " |
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| 02:53.01 | linoobx_ | so I should add a line to source.list as: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free ?? |
| 02:53.06 | linoobx_ | or some other URL |
| 02:53.10 | linoobx_ | ? |
| 02:53.44 | linoobx_ | debian backports did not have nasm |
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| 02:55.37 | linoobx_ | Or the line I add to sources.list be: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free contrib main ?? |
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| 02:55.55 | linoobx_ | As it says on: https://serverfault.com/questions/550855/how-to-add-debian-testing-repository-to-apt-get |
| 02:56.14 | linoobx_ | The answer on that post is from 2013 though |
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| 02:56.27 | linoobx_ | So I dont know if deb has been changed to deb-src |
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| 02:57.35 | linoobx_ | and if http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ has changed to http://deb.debian.org/debian/ ? |
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| 02:58.21 | linoobx_ | and do i do "sid main contrib non-free" after the URL, or do I put like in the stackexchange answer, "testing non-free contrib main" ? |
| 02:58.23 | outcast | joebobjoe: u thot of looking at /usr/include/linux/limits.h ? |
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| 02:59.19 | linoobx_ | The line that dpkg tells me to add says nothing about testing, so I'm not sure if that is just a dummy example.... |
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| 03:12.16 | veek | where's the core file saved on debian? |
| 03:12.27 | veek | virtualbox just core dumped |
| 03:13.40 | veek | darn ulimit -c 0 |
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| 03:23.23 | RoyK | veek: if it's the oracle vbox, it won't matter much, since the code is closed |
| 03:23.41 | RoyK | veek: kvm works well, thoug ;) |
| 03:23.46 | RoyK | veek: kvm works well, thougg ;) |
| 03:23.51 | RoyK | veek: kvm works well, though ;) |
| 03:23.54 | veek | RoyK, oh jeeze hmm.. yeah time i shifted to kvm |
| 03:24.11 | veek | thought vbox was open src |
| 03:24.15 | veek | thanks |
| 03:24.20 | RoyK | I've been using kvm for years - it just works |
| 03:24.49 | RoyK | that's so boring about it - nothing to debug or troubleshoot |
| 03:25.12 | RoyK | ;) |
| 03:25.21 | RoyK | veek: how many vm's? |
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| 03:27.13 | RoyK | veek: I tend to prefer a host with 16GB min, preferably more, of RAM, and possibly mixing that with storage, be it mdraid or zfs, I prefer the latter, but mdraid is more flexible, and then "outsourcing" the services to smaller vm's to allow the host to just service as what it's meant to be, a host |
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| 03:27.54 | RoyK | separate storage is nice, but for most people, that includes expensive network and more boxes, and not suitable for home stuff |
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| 03:29.44 | veek | RoyK, just one - win xp |
| 03:30.07 | RoyK | winxp is out of support ages ago |
| 03:30.10 | RoyK | don't use it |
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| 03:30.58 | RoyK | veek: gaming? |
| 03:31.05 | veek | RoyK, i don't use it per-se got win10 installed - i run QQ mainly in the VM and need some kind of an OS in there |
| 03:31.27 | RoyK | QQ? |
| 03:31.36 | veek | it's got a decent firewall (chinese chat thing) |
| 03:31.58 | RoyK | are you chinese? |
| 03:32.01 | veek | nope |
| 03:32.17 | veek | useful for shopping etc :p |
| 03:32.25 | RoyK | well, debian has a decent firewall itself ;) |
| 03:32.45 | veek | heh |
| 03:33.06 | veek | yeah i have iptables cfged and tc too to ratelimit |
| 03:33.21 | veek | well i use wondershaper actually |
| 03:33.31 | RoyK | ufw is neat if you want to just do it simply |
| 03:33.35 | veek | wipfw on xp is neat |
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| 03:33.49 | veek | ah hmm lemme google |
| 03:33.51 | RoyK | but then, manyally fixing iptables gives better control, that's for sure |
| 03:34.00 | RoyK | apt install ufw |
| 03:34.07 | RoyK | it's just an iptables wrapper |
| 03:34.24 | linoobx | I am using Debian9 (stable). What do I have to do to install this package: https://packages.debian.org/sid/nasm ?? |
| 03:34.30 | RoyK | but I use it for most of my stuff |
| 03:34.31 | RoyK | !ufw |
| 03:34.32 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 03:34.32 | veek | ah nope - i do a manual iptables cfg - i'm comfortable with it |
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| 03:35.22 | RoyK | well, that's good - I do both - but usually on debian I just use ufw unless there's some particular issue - ufw has a set of rather neat helper rules too |
| 03:36.07 | RoyK | veek: just try it in a vm and judge for yourself after looking at the rules - I may be wrong, of course, but IMHO it looks good |
| 03:37.41 | RoyK | veek: and it doesn't replace iptables - it just wraps it - and you can add custom rules in the config - more work in less time, basically (imho) |
| 03:39.20 | veek | well.. i'll give it a shot - i mainly need some mechanism for figuring out what files VBox is reading from disk |
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| 03:39.41 | veek | in case it gets hacked as a sort of monitoring mechanism |
| 03:40.07 | veek | low level disk block access to file mapping thing |
| 03:40.20 | RoyK | you won't find tht in the firewall |
| 03:40.32 | veek | yep true.. |
| 03:40.45 | RoyK | anyway - stop using vbox unless you have a very good excuse |
| 03:40.50 | RoyK | kvm beats it |
| 03:40.53 | veek | yep will do |
| 03:41.16 | RoyK | do you need direct pcix mapping to a gpu or something? |
| 03:41.33 | veek | ah nope |
| 03:41.44 | RoyK | pciex even |
| 03:42.12 | RoyK | anyway - direct mapping is the only thing I know people sometimes complain about being tricky |
| 03:42.30 | RoyK | I've been using kvm with tens of vms for rather small hosts |
| 03:42.36 | RoyK | it just works |
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| 03:43.11 | veek | RoyK, can it tell you what files on the host disk are being accessed? |
| 03:43.15 | RoyK | and if you're on stretch, it'll probabaly work quite well too - earlier kvm versions aren't that good on memory handling |
| 03:43.52 | RoyK | you have a single disk file or partition or zvol or whatever that makes the VMs disk |
| 03:44.04 | RoyK | so monitor the VMs and the host |
| 03:44.37 | RoyK | granulated I/O monitoring is usually tricky |
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| 03:45.04 | RoyK | but I beleive there are some stuff in zabbix that can do it - zabbix is quite nice |
| 03:45.12 | veek | lemme check |
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| 03:45.34 | veek | i've tried/experimented with blktrace and iostat so far |
| 03:45.52 | RoyK | anyway - a guest should be accessing the host's disk either by a block device or nfs |
| 03:46.19 | RoyK | I don't really know why you're so interested in separate files accessed |
| 03:46.30 | RoyK | lsof should show something |
| 03:46.44 | RoyK | the total I/O use of a guest should show a lot |
| 03:47.09 | veek | well.. because my outbound traffic on vboxnet0's always greater than inbound and for a chat client that's odd |
| 03:47.18 | RoyK | veek: what sort of storage are you using? |
| 03:47.31 | veek | just single disk for the vm and a usb stick for linux |
| 03:47.40 | veek | as in file on disk |
| 03:47.52 | RoyK | asking for trouble, that is ;) |
| 03:48.12 | RoyK | get a few old 500gig drives, you get them for close to nothing, and setup a small raid |
| 03:48.16 | veek | 500GB laptop disk with 3 partitions one of which is ext4 and the other ntfs |
| 03:48.29 | RoyK | 5k7rpm? 4k5? |
| 03:48.36 | RoyK | smartctl -i will tell |
| 03:48.51 | veek | urmm it's an inspiron 1545 laptop :p not server |
| 03:49.06 | RoyK | ok, sorry |
| 03:49.26 | RoyK | I'm not used to dealing with virtualisation on shitty laptop drives |
| 03:49.32 | veek | heh |
| 03:49.35 | RoyK | get a small ssd |
| 03:49.50 | RoyK | if you're using lvm in the first place, lvmcache will help a lot |
| 03:50.06 | RoyK | even a few gigs of lvmcache helps a lot |
| 03:50.54 | RoyK | veek: is this drive 5k4 or 4k5rpm? |
| 03:51.15 | veek | no lvm it's 5K4 |
| 03:51.18 | RoyK | veek: just install smartmontools and run smartctl -i /dev/sda or whatever device it is |
| 03:51.54 | RoyK | well, it's a tiny drive spinning at 5k4 and it's slow - don't do that at home |
| 03:52.02 | RoyK | don't do it anywhere else either |
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| 03:53.28 | RoyK | veek: you may be able to squeeze a percent or three out of it with proper tuning, but it's like taking a T-ford and trying to race it with a modern, cheap toyota - it won't work, you'll lose |
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| 03:53.58 | RoyK | even a Kia |
| 03:53.59 | veek | ah yep - but it's a core 2 duo laptop.. it's good for typing |
| 03:54.33 | RoyK | then get some cheap, old hardware and use it for storage |
| 03:55.09 | RoyK | you can get a mobo for perhaps $30 and some 500gig drives that can outperform that laptop tenfold |
| 03:55.39 | veek | i don't have any storage needs as such.. i had to empty out all my files to usb backup (scans of my passport etc) but i'm worried that virtualbox is somehow reading blocks and sending it out over the net |
| 03:56.06 | veek | reading blocks past the XP image file |
| 03:56.12 | RoyK | it's like banging a 6" spike - it's quite possible to do it with a screwdriver, but it's a wee bit easier to do it with a hammer |
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| 03:56.23 | RoyK | s/spike/nail/ |
| 03:57.00 | RoyK | veek: sorry - I'm just trying to help - you won't get good performance with a 2,5" 5k4 drive whatever you do |
| 03:57.18 | RoyK | *whatever* you do |
| 03:57.28 | RoyK | and SSDs are getting cheaper now |
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| 04:00.16 | RoyK | a typical 10yo 5k4 2,5" drive can handle something like 80MB/s - probably less - if it's sequencial. If it's not, which it is in 99% of the cases, especially with VMs, it may be able to deliver 2-4MB/s because of the lack of IOPS on such a drive. An SSD can deliver 300MB/s even on an old SATA2 controller and perhaps 10,000 IOPS (as compared to 80 IOPS on your spinning rust) |
| 04:00.41 | RoyK | so if you can afford the cheapest SSD on the planet, go get it |
| 04:02.33 | RoyK | those 80 IOPS will probably be closer to 50 IOPS with a wee bit of fragmentation, perhaps lower |
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| 04:03.56 | veek | RoyK, yup guys on #hardware told me that SSD's are fairly life changing |
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| 04:05.11 | veek | planning on buying ryzen anyhow so :) i'll stick an ssd in that |
| 04:05.56 | veek | if you do stumble upon a mechanism for monitoring IO at the block lvl let me know :) |
| 04:06.11 | veek | that addresses security concernes |
| 04:06.18 | veek | concerns |
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| 04:15.50 | RoyK | veek: better start with an SSD - CPU isn't that important and storage helps a *lot* more |
| 04:15.59 | RoyK | veek: we're talking magnitudes of difference |
| 04:16.50 | RoyK | order of two magnitudes, at least |
| 04:17.07 | RoyK | since most of I/O is random I/O, not sequencial |
| 04:17.53 | RoyK | for sequencial I/O, good spinning rust, as in large 3,5" drives, can deliver perhaps 250-300MB/s, but they still can't do more than 120 IOPS on a shiny day |
| 04:18.40 | RoyK | a cheap SSD can do 500MB/s and 40,000 IOPS, and you *will* notice the difference - long before you replace CPU and memory and motherboard |
| 04:19.07 | RoyK | veek: I've been in this game for almost 30 years - just take a good advice, will you? ;) |
| 04:20.07 | RoyK | (well, not almost 30, only 25, sorry) |
| 04:22.51 | Hooloovo0 | yeah |
| 04:23.01 | Hooloovo0 | SSD makes things wildly more usable |
| 04:23.12 | Hooloovo0 | except in some weird edge cases |
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| 04:23.46 | Hooloovo0 | which don't have a speedup, but are just already fast |
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| 04:28.07 | veek | RoyK, ah okay :) |
| 04:29.57 | linoobx_ | How do I make changes to sources.list ? |
| 04:30.41 | linoobx_ | I found I can look at it by typing vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:30.53 | linoobx_ | But it doesn't let me make changes. |
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| 04:35.16 | bananadev | linoobx_: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list. Press "i" to insert |
| 04:35.48 | bananadev | ESC -> type ":wq" -> Enter to save and quit |
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| 04:36.30 | linoobx_ | ah cool thanks. |
| 04:37.13 | linoobx_ | never woulda figured that out myself. |
| 04:38.59 | bananadev | it's because of "vi". You can edit easier with gedit, just sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:40.53 | veek | linoobx_, apt-get update |
| 04:41.20 | veek | or kate (hawt) |
| 04:42.01 | coruja | or nano |
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| 06:22.59 | dario_ | hi everybody |
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| 06:26.58 | dario_ | I'm on 9.1, and I have this problem : I use my second laptop as server at home, so I configured eth port as auto and dhcp, because I hold it on display manager; but when I put it on out of home, no cable lan connected, it waits 5 minutes for a eth connection; I wish to know if there is a way to get the avoid this |
| 06:28.26 | n4n0` | dario_: are you talking about waiting for network at boot? |
| 06:28.33 | dario_ | yes |
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| 06:29.24 | n4n0` | You want to disable that check or disable a network interface altogether? |
| 06:29.33 | dario_ | n4n0`, if I'm at home I have no problem, because it is connected, but if I bring it at school I can't wait 5 minutes... |
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| 06:29.51 | n4n0` | oh |
| 06:30.03 | dario_ | n4n0`, I want to reduce that waiting to, for example, 30 sec ? |
| 06:30.28 | n4n0` | Okay, please see /etc/systemd/system/network-online.target.wants/networking.service |
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| 06:31.51 | n4n0` | dario_: You want to change the TimeoutStartSec setting, maybe to 30 seconds or something more friendly for you. |
| 06:31.53 | dario_ | n4n0`, TimeoutStartSec=5min ? |
| 06:31.59 | n4n0` | agreed |
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| 06:32.58 | dario_ | ok, that's the start point, but, if my router fails in 30 sec, may I get other connection attempts ? |
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| 06:33.25 | n4n0` | well as you know the dhcp service will re-attempt |
| 06:34.09 | n4n0` | if you want to disable that service altogether you may, but I would change the waitdelay. |
| 06:34.42 | n4n0` | dario_: For further information regarding NetworkManager please refer to https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager ... |
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| 06:35.06 | dario_ | n4n0`, ok, but so, if I am at school where I have no cable connection, does my notebook attempt to a cable connection all the time? |
| 06:35.49 | n4n0` | dario_: only if you have a cable connected to your NIC |
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| 06:37.19 | n4n0` | dario_: it will await credentials from your other network adapter (wifi) |
| 06:38.17 | dario_ | n4n0`, I'm confused, first point : I edited interfaces file to override network-manager control of eth port; but I'm not sure to do well, does network-manager manage eth port even if there is no desktop session? |
| 06:38.19 | n4n0` | dario_: but as you know NetworkManager is a service and runs in the background which could be troublesome for those who don't require networking at the time. |
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| 06:40.20 | n4n0` | dario_: NetworkManager is a daemon therefore it will run at all times, if it is indeed running. |
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| 06:40.58 | dario_ | n4n0`, so I'll try to remove that lines in interfaces.... thanks man |
| 06:42.17 | n4n0` | dario_: np, if you wish to disable NetworkManager from managing those interfaces be sure to set `managed=false` in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
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| 06:43.28 | dario_ | n4n0`, ok, another question, how may I enable the tap on the touchpad? |
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| 06:44.35 | n4n0` | dario_: okay, what sort of touchpad? check your device with the following: (be sure egrep is installed) egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps|elan' /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 06:44.36 | jonathan_x | I am selectively removing packages before doing the full stretch upgrade |
| 06:44.58 | jonathan_x | But whenever I try to remove something like Nautilus, it instantly wants to upgrade a bunch of packages, why is that? |
| 06:45.41 | n4n0` | jonathan_x: it wants to upgrade them or configure them? |
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| 06:46.26 | jonathan_x | upgrade them |
| 06:46.52 | jonathan_x | I mean I can probably prevent it by setting default to jessie again. |
| 06:47.00 | dario_ | n4n0`, N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
| 06:47.14 | jonathan_x | It might want to install something to replace Nautilus by automatically in this case. |
| 06:47.29 | jonathan_x | Since that will then come from Stretch, it want to upgrade a whole bunch other things too. |
| 06:47.51 | n4n0` | one sec jon |
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| 06:48.35 | jonathan_x | Indeed it does. |
| 06:48.36 | n4n0` | dario_: On GNOME, go to System -> Preferences -> Mouse, there should be a "Touchpad" tab. |
| 06:48.52 | dario_ | n4n0`, I'm on LXDE |
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| 06:49.42 | n4n0` | oh |
| 06:50.01 | n4n0` | dario_, try to run `synclient TapButton1=1` without the quotes in terminal. |
| 06:50.44 | dario_ | as user? |
| 06:50.49 | n4n0` | yes |
| 06:51.21 | dario_ | no synclient command |
| 06:52.00 | n4n0` | -_- |
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| 06:52.29 | n4n0` | dario_, https://superuser.com/questions/598044/mousepad-tap-does-not-work-on-debian-stable-lxde see answer by "Ris Zneb" |
| 06:53.01 | n4n0` | I don't work on GUIs so it's out of my scope :) |
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| 06:53.39 | n4n0` | but I do know there is a overrides file for synap pointer devices which will probably be your fix |
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| 06:54.54 | n4n0` | jonathan_x, I wouldn't be able to answer your question without the upgrade logs, to ensure the precision of the matter. |
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| 06:55.58 | n4n0` | meanwhile my router is running at 38.0 degC and ready to blow lol |
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| 06:56.54 | dario_ | n4n0`, I must logoff, I hope all working after.. thanks man |
| 06:57.40 | jonathan_x | n4n0`: When I change default back to jessie it stops doing it |
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| 06:58.45 | n4n0` | hmm |
| 06:59.16 | n4n0` | jonathan_x, based on what you are telling my I'm guessing aptitude is trying to upgrade these packages due to the dependencies involved within them |
| 06:59.44 | n4n0` | me* |
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| 07:01.50 | jonathan_x | Yes but it's very weird as I'm not installing anything new. |
| 07:02.05 | jonathan_x | At one point it upgraded some packages and then immediately removed them. |
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| 07:02.39 | jonathan_x | Which I hated lol, I was trying to only remove things :p. |
| 07:03.08 | n4n0` | ahh |
| 07:03.14 | n4n0` | yeah that sounds like aptitude lmao :) |
| 07:03.20 | n4n0` | lmao |
| 07:03.30 | DJDan | well apt-get install net-tools or openssh-server etc... it keeps saying unable to locate package and wont install |
| 07:03.37 | DJDan | how do i fix this |
| 07:03.48 | n4n0` | sources DJDan |
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| 07:04.31 | adelyne | DJDan: make sure you ran "apt update" beforehand |
| 07:04.46 | DJDan | i have done apt update but still not |
| 07:04.52 | jonathan_x | (Reading database ... 99999 files and directories currently installed.). Lol awesome. |
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| 07:05.58 | n4n0` | still not over 100,000 jon :P |
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| 07:06.09 | n4n0` | DJDan check your sources file |
| 07:06.23 | themill | !bat |
| 07:06.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 07:06.53 | themill | jonathan_x: it's best to do that pruning before you change your sources.list |
| 07:07.14 | n4n0` | g'day themill |
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| 07:21.52 | jonathan_x | themill: I was using the upgradable list to see what I wanted to prune ;-). |
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| 07:40.53 | DJDan | in vbox how do i change the ip to a specific static ip for my debian image.. it keeps changing to another ip... |
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| 07:41.36 | RoyK | !ip |
| 07:41.37 | dpkg | IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/ or ask me about <myip>. Also <intellectual property>. |
| 07:41.51 | RoyK | DJDan: just configure a static address |
| 07:42.09 | DJDan | RoyK: i tried... i told the image to use host-only adapter vboxnet0 |
| 07:42.11 | RoyK | DJDan: or use bloody kvm instead |
| 07:42.16 | DJDan | kvm? |
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| 07:42.56 | RoyK | just install kvm and virt-manager - it's native to linux - vbox is an oracle thing - kvm is far better |
| 07:43.17 | RoyK | that is - vbox is easier to setup for graphical stuff, but that's where it ends |
| 07:43.21 | DJDan | my machine is osx |
| 07:43.59 | RoyK | debian doesn't care about the host OS - is this desktop or server? |
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| 07:44.18 | DJDan | what? |
| 07:45.04 | BTCJunior | can KVM support 64 bit iso installs? If so are you aware of any example that can be useful? |
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| 07:45.29 | DJDan | what is kvm |
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| 07:46.11 | BTCJunior | @DJDan, Kernel Virtual Manager if my memory serves correct |
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| 07:46.59 | BTCJunior | DJDan, Kernel Virtual Manager if my memory serves correct |
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| 07:47.29 | DJDan | Im using OSX with VBox into Debian 64bit. What does kvm/virt-manager got to do with it |
| 07:48.03 | Haohmaru | suddenly my debian9/lxde froze (this has happened before) .. the mouse cursor moves, but nothing else responds |
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| 07:48.49 | Haohmaru | i connected to it via ssh and the cpu is not busy, the latest things in dmesg is "[33642.869533] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Xorg[493]: nv50cal_space: -16" |
| 07:49.20 | celyr | if you can connect via ssh it's not frozen |
| 07:49.50 | celyr | did you check Xorg logs ? |
| 07:49.50 | Haohmaru | okay, so i'll pretend that the program i was using still works |
| 07:50.00 | Haohmaru | and i'll click around into the nothingness |
| 07:50.02 | DJDan | i told my vbox debian imageto use 'host only' for network... (vboxnet0).. and put a static ip... but when run ip a it still says another ip :/ |
| 07:50.08 | BTCJunior | DJDan, its all a matter of preferences; just bear in mind that there are other options. The fact of the matter is that the main differences are based on how fast the user is able to start a VM. |
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| 07:50.18 | Haohmaru | celyr where should they be located? |
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| 07:50.24 | celyr | Haohmaru, nice approach :) |
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| 07:52.50 | celyr | Haohmaru, well |
| 07:52.57 | celyr | they should be on /var/log but |
| 07:53.05 | DJDan | BTCJunior: are u saying to use QEMU instead of Vbox? i dont understand this kvm stuff |
| 07:53.09 | celyr | maybe is logging to syslog in the newest release |
| 07:53.33 | BTCJunior | DJDan, I believ you may have to reconfigure your network settings within the preferences before you start ur VM. I cannot recall for the life of me but I do believe that your HOST only setting is DHCP enabled. |
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| 07:54.07 | DJDan | BTCJunior: yeh i disconnected, and tried...but its not working |
| 07:54.09 | celyr | Haudegen, okay |
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| 07:54.11 | celyr | it's morning here |
| 07:54.12 | BTCJunior | DJDan, I am suggesting that you can still stick with virtual box |
| 07:54.18 | celyr | i was checking in an Xless server |
| 07:54.27 | celyr | thay are located in /var/log |
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| 07:54.53 | Haohmaru | celyr i don't know what to look for in Xorg.0.log, but the last bunch of stuff doesn't look like errors |
| 07:55.27 | Haohmaru | dmesg however is FULL of nouveau-related stuff written with red letters |
| 07:55.34 | BTCJunior | DJDan, but if you want to gain a better understanding and appreciation for the machinery you are using , then it is wise to use QEMU or KVM of which there are literally the same thing |
| 07:55.35 | nvz | Haohmaru: X logs have always been rather easy to parse as they use II for information WW for warnings, annd EE for errors |
| 07:55.40 | celyr | !paste |
| 07:55.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:56.12 | celyr | Haohmaru, if you want further help, we need those things |
| 07:56.26 | Haohmaru | which things? |
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| 07:56.40 | celyr | Haohmaru, the pasted logs as instructions |
| 07:57.01 | BTCJunior | DJDan, with what permissions are you running your Virtualbox install? |
| 07:57.32 | DJDan | BTCJunior: what permision.. its osx it would be full |
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| 07:58.42 | DJDan | these Vbox network settings are strange |
| 07:58.44 | BTCJunior | DJDan, User account? if necessary start virtualbox as the super user then try the process again |
| 07:59.09 | DJDan | BTCJunior: what... u just click the app in osx and it runs |
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| 07:59.47 | DJDan | im administrator |
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| 08:00.33 | DJDan | what is all this virtio-net paravitualised networks and stuff |
| 08:00.38 | BTCJunior | ok, in your File Menu there should be Preferences for VBox |
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| 08:01.37 | BTCJunior | Virtual Network interfaces that are loaded with the OSX version |
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| 08:02.35 | DJDan | so should it be set to that? |
| 08:03.03 | DJDan | i have attached to: host only adapter.. vboxnet0... adapter type: virtio net... promiscious allow all? |
| 08:03.05 | BTCJunior | Change it if necessary. |
| 08:03.15 | BTCJunior | yes |
| 08:03.47 | BTCJunior | try it n hopefully it should work |
| 08:03.55 | Haohmaru | celyr the xorg and dmesg logs are about over 100KB worth of text, should i paste it to a pastebin? |
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| 08:04.13 | celyr | Haohmaru, yes |
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| 08:06.05 | Haohmaru | celyr http://paste.debian.net/hidden/23f26c90 |
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| 08:10.06 | Haohmaru | i think last time this happened, someone told me some funky key-combo which was able to either kill the lxde, or to bring the linux into the login manager (lightdm) |
| 08:10.34 | Haohmaru | and it worked, but the frozen session was left somewhere and the unsaved work went to the trash |
| 08:10.50 | Haohmaru | i could only login and that created a new lxde session |
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| 08:12.15 | celyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.28 | celyr | problem* |
| 08:12.34 | celyr | what graphic card are you using ? |
| 08:12.52 | Haohmaru | btw, the video card has issues |
| 08:13.02 | celyr | -_- |
| 08:13.14 | Haohmaru | it's been beaten up and requires frequent baking with hotair |
| 08:13.45 | Haohmaru | otherwise it produces random pixels and random glyphs in BIOS/textmode |
| 08:13.51 | celyr | man |
| 08:13.59 | celyr | I mean |
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| 08:14.14 | celyr | it's ok but next time start with this |
| 08:14.24 | celyr | obviously this is the problem |
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| 08:14.39 | Haohmaru | i shouldn't expect to go far riding on a dead donkey, i know ;P~ |
| 08:14.51 | Haohmaru | but i thought this was a different issue |
| 08:15.00 | celyr | I think no |
| 08:15.31 | Haohmaru | because when the video card reaches the state where it needs baking - the system crashes/freezes in a more severe way |
| 08:15.40 | celyr | given that the video card has hw issues then i suppose it's not a driver bug but just the video car not working correctly |
| 08:15.41 | Haohmaru | while right now, i can move the mouse.. |
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| 08:16.01 | celyr | Haohmaru, that is because the kernel was able to reset the driver |
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| 08:16.03 | Haohmaru | the keyboard doesn't respond |
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| 08:19.21 | celyr | you can't expect anything |
| 08:19.28 | celyr | you should be happy that something respond |
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| 08:24.31 | alnet | can my computer run debian https://ibb.co/nFvS8w |
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| 08:31.47 | nkuttler | alnet: sure |
| 08:31.55 | ledeni | alnet, should run debian |
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| 08:32.09 | nkuttler | alnet: not all of your hardware might be supported 100% though |
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| 08:37.17 | DJDan | is grub needed in vbox in order to run debian? |
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| 08:41.06 | dgp | DJDan: vbox boots like a normal PC so you need some sort of bootloader |
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| 08:44.58 | DJDan | i see... why does vbox output to such a small window |
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| 08:45.50 | tx | it's at the screen resolution that is being outputted by the VM |
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| 08:47.16 | dgp | DJDan: PCs start up in 1980s mode. Display resolutions weren't so good back then |
| 08:48.27 | DJDan | pretty sure my /etc/apt/sources.list is correct..but i cant do apt-get install ssh-server or anything |
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| 08:49.43 | nkuttler | DJDan: paste.debian.net command + output |
| 08:50.10 | DJDan | "package net-tools is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only availablefrom another source'... e: package 'net-tools' has not installation candidate |
| 08:50.26 | DJDan | i dont have ssh access and the remote desktop access i cant seem to copy and paste |
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| 08:50.58 | nkuttler | DJDan: did you run apt-get update? |
| 08:51.15 | DJDan | yep |
| 08:51.24 | nkuttler | sounds like your sources are not correct |
| 08:51.40 | nkuttler | !sources.list |
| 08:51.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 08:52.11 | DJDan | oh it was stretc-updates instead of stretch |
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| 08:52.52 | DJDan | should it be just stretch or stretch-updates |
| 08:53.44 | nkuttler | there's both, as in the bot's output |
| 08:54.05 | DJDan | so what should i put |
| 08:54.13 | DJDan | either |
| 08:54.28 | nkuttler | what the bot said above |
| 08:55.15 | nvz | DJDan: security.debian.org stretch/updates is for security fixes, the regular mirror stretch-updates is more for fixes that would go in the next point release |
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| 08:56.12 | DJDan | why is there deb-src and deb entries |
| 08:56.35 | dgp | DJDan: deb-src are used to fetch source code when you want to build packages |
| 08:57.07 | nvz | DJDan: deb-src are for the source packages, you'd need those not only to build something (other than say a kernel driver where -src packages are available as binary header packages), but to do a backport or such |
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| 08:57.50 | nvz | DJDan: you can comment them out to speed up your "update" of the cache and only enable them as needed if you like, but I'd recommend leaving them in there |
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| 09:00.08 | nvz | I need to read up more on the new updates proceedures because I've resisted filing bugs against stable packages simply because my experience as a long time debian user is that if you dont catch non-security problems before the release, they wont be fixed |
| 09:00.23 | DJDan | http://deb.debian.org tretch release does not have a release file |
| 09:00.30 | DJDan | stretch* |
| 09:00.59 | DJDan | failedto fetch deb.debian.org/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/packages 404 notfound .. |
| 09:01.24 | DJDan | ip: 151.101.80.204 80 |
| 09:01.53 | nvz | DJDan: you typed the source line wrong |
| 09:03.51 | nvz | actually I'm not seeing a mirror on that IP at all, but the line should say debian/ at the end and the url for the release should start debian/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/ |
| 09:05.59 | nvz | surfing to http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/ shows the files, but http://151.101.80.204:80/debian/ is giving an error |
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| 09:08.40 | DJDan | how do i delete lines in pico |
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| 09:09.05 | nvz | never used pico, but many editors do not have a yank command to pull a whole line |
| 09:09.31 | nvz | one reason why I'd liked mped over nano, it had Ctrl+y yank command |
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| 09:11.33 | DJDan | how do i scroll back up in vbox |
| 09:11.41 | DJDan | i cant even copy and paste |
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| 09:11.51 | nvz | console or xterm? |
| 09:12.23 | DJDan | im using vbox on osx in the debian terminal |
| 09:12.31 | alnet | emacs and cim are overly complex |
| 09:12.53 | nvz | DJDan: on the virtual console scrolling up is Shift+PgUp |
| 09:13.35 | DJDan | nvz: now wheres thepgup button on my mac keyboard lol |
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| 09:14.00 | nvz | DJDan: haha.. that I can't tell ya.. I only used macs in grade school |
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| 09:14.23 | alnet | by the fn key |
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| 09:14.25 | nvz | on this keyboard I have to use Shift+Fn+Up_Arrow |
| 09:14.36 | DJDan | why is this so complicated... its still complaining about the source list.. some work some dont |
| 09:14.38 | nvz | which I think is somewhat similar to a mac keyboard |
| 09:14.53 | DJDan | hey that worked :) |
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| 09:15.37 | nvz | this was sold as a mac keyboard but it hase a windows logo key on it :P |
| 09:16.11 | nvz | now if I could only make it do sysrq :P |
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| 09:17.50 | DJDan | just make your own keyboard then :P |
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| 09:18.17 | mineta | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.22 | nvz | they make these bamboo keyboards that are supposedly hand crafted that looked really nice |
| 09:18.38 | alnet | Apple makes it hardware to repair |
| 09:18.56 | DJDan | theres this keyboard, that u can attach clippers to bananas and stuff... enjoy :P |
| 09:19.04 | DJDan | as in hardware |
| 09:19.35 | DJDan | nvz: this is what u are after https://www.makeymakey.com/ |
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| 10:05.51 | vahe | hi all, I cloned 2 disks, one 100GB to 1TB , but sda3 which is my main filesystem and left 100 GB, and 800 GB were just empty ,how can I add these 800 GB on sda3 ? using fdisk if possible |
| 10:06.02 | vahe | https://lut.im/g00llCKYKW/fTl12hg4cRZs1lBL.png |
| 10:06.20 | tx | Nice uh.. font. |
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| 10:06.47 | vahe | ty ) |
| 10:07.20 | SwedeMike | vahe: so you mean you would like sda3 to be expanded to use all the entire space? There are two steps to this, one is to change the end of the partition, the next is to resize the filesystem to use all the newly available space within the partition. |
| 10:08.08 | vahe | SwedeMike: yes |
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| 10:09.03 | vahe | SwedeMike: thanks for the reply and how can I do this? GParted or fdisk |
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| 10:10.13 | SwedeMike | vahe: I would do it in fdisk, but I imagine there might be GUI tools for this that I don't know about. Let's see if someone else has any suggestions, I think my way of doing it is harder than it needs to be. |
| 10:10.50 | SwedeMike | vahe: does gparted offer the functionality to resize partitions? |
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| 10:11.23 | vahe | GUI tools not important I know how to use fdisk you say my friend |
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| 10:12.13 | vahe | SwedeMike: I'm ready to do this with any program :) |
| 10:12.22 | SwedeMike | vahe: well, I would note down the start of the partition and the partition type, delete it in fdisk, then create a new one with same start and type, but that ends at end-of-disk |
| 10:12.54 | SwedeMike | vahe: then I would reboot, and then I would run xfs_growfs or whatever it's called to get xfs to use the larger partition space |
| 10:13.17 | SwedeMike | vahe: for safety, do backup and perform this operation when booted from a usb live stick |
| 10:13.38 | FinalX | xfs_growfs, yeah |
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| 10:14.18 | FinalX | also, xfs_growfs can be used on mounted filesystems, only shrinking can't |
| 10:14.30 | vahe | I'm not familiar with xfs_growfs but I'll try to find the manual |
| 10:14.35 | FinalX | though resizing the partition itself might not work too great. |
| 10:14.51 | FinalX | vahe: it's basically just xfs_growfs /dev/sda3 |
| 10:15.08 | FinalX | or even the mountpoint works iirc |
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| 10:15.24 | FinalX | oh, in fact, you need to specify the mountpoint and not device |
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| 10:16.20 | SwedeMike | vahe: as FinalX is saying, resizing the partition is the hard part. after that, it's just to run xfs_growfs on the mounted filesystem and it'll by default use the entire available space of the parititon |
| 10:16.42 | vahe | FinalX SwedeMike I'm a little confused , I can tell you just how to attach this empty space ? :) |
| 10:17.03 | vahe | you can tell me |
| 10:17.21 | SwedeMike | vahe: https://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted use this instead. Boot usb live and then resize it using gparted. That's probably safer. |
| 10:18.02 | vahe | aha thanks SwedeMike ) |
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| 10:18.33 | Maid-Chan | is there some kind of hardware identifier that would be 32 hexidecimal characters? |
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| 10:19.03 | johnkeates | not really |
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| 10:19.17 | johnkeates | also, 32 hexadecimal doesn't mean much, you can convert anything to that |
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| 10:19.28 | johnkeates | it's just a representation of a bunch of bits |
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| 10:19.44 | Maid-Chan | it means alot when identifying WHY it's 32 characters. the same string in decimal would be longer. |
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| 10:19.58 | johnkeates | just like IP addresses, you can express them as decimal numbers and they'll actually work |
| 10:20.02 | jonathan_x | That means it is 16 bytes. |
| 10:20.43 | johnkeates | yes, but a number that uses 16 bytes is also still 16 bytes |
| 10:20.53 | johnkeates | just like a string is |
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| 10:21.02 | Maid-Chan | my controller isn't recognized by skullgirls. i found a file that lists controllers and how they are mapped. figured maybe i can add mine to the list but the first data entry is the mentioned 32 character hex value. i'm trying to figure out what i should put there. :P |
| 10:21.12 | johnkeates | hmm |
| 10:21.14 | jonathan_x | Point is maybe there is a 16-byte ID that's meaningful. |
| 10:21.24 | johnkeates | what kind of a device is that |
| 10:21.34 | johnkeates | PCI? USB? ISA? NUBUS? :P |
| 10:21.41 | johnkeates | PCI104? |
| 10:21.47 | Maid-Chan | usb |
| 10:22.07 | Maid-Chan | game controllers are usb generally and if not are usually converted to usb at some point for the computer. |
| 10:22.08 | johnkeates | well, USB ususally uses a product and vendor ID |
| 10:22.21 | johnkeates | i don't own any game controllers |
| 10:22.27 | Maid-Chan | yeah i saw that but ven:dev is only 8 chars |
| 10:22.34 | johnkeates | so i don't know about those or skullgirls :p |
| 10:22.36 | johnkeates | but yeah |
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| 10:22.58 | Maid-Chan | skullgirls is an arcade fighter game fwiw. :P |
| 10:23.03 | johnkeates | if a driver is supposed to support one, and you want to make it use it automatically, the ven:dev will usually be neough |
| 10:23.08 | johnkeates | okay :P |
| 10:23.34 | johnkeates | if the device manufacturer decided to make 10 different devices but have them all use the same ven:dev, that's pretty lame of them :p |
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| 10:24.11 | Maid-Chan | i'd assume since each device in this database lacks anything other than this mystery key a name and then button maps i'd assume the mystery key somehow tells the game how to find the hardware but no idea how the value could be derived. :P |
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| 10:25.50 | jonathan_x | So the upgrade process has been so horrid to me that I think I will have to delete my entire server. |
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| 10:26.19 | jonathan_x | Just because it has lowered my ability to deal with it. |
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| 10:26.32 | Maid-Chan | what is guid? |
| 10:27.16 | jonathan_x | gpt uid? |
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| 10:27.28 | jonathan_x | oh now, global uid |
| 10:27.56 | Maid-Chan | do devices have a global uid that can be looked up? |
| 10:28.09 | jonathan_x | no clue. |
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| 10:30.22 | Maid-Chan | googling one of the keys got me to http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=86253 which has the right controller...i'm wondering what file that is...wouldn't mind opening up a similar one for my controller. :P |
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| 10:32.25 | jonathan_x | It says what file that is right. |
| 10:32.38 | babilen | jonathan_x: Curious, we upgraded a couple of production systems and rarely ran into problems. Anything unusual about your system? (e.g. mix of releases, ...) |
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| 10:33.05 | jonathan_x | No it was just time bad spent. |
| 10:33.37 | babilen | I don't quite follow, how would that be a reason for problems during the upgrade? |
| 10:33.41 | jonathan_x | Being put on the wrong foot by someone about why PostgreSQL 9.4 didn't work under the new systemd.... which was not caused by systemd. |
| 10:33.59 | jonathan_x | It was not a problem for the upgrade itself, it was a problem for me. |
| 10:34.04 | babilen | Ah, right |
| 10:34.07 | jonathan_x | And wanting to start over. |
| 10:34.10 | jonathan_x | And losing too much time that way. |
| 10:34.46 | jonathan_x | And because of having a hellish experience some other things in my life run foul ;-). |
| 10:34.48 | jonathan_x | Well sorry about that. |
| 10:35.23 | jonathan_x | Call it a loss of good fortune ;-). |
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| 10:36.02 | jonathan_x | The system worked fine. It was just something I had put a lot of time into and I didn't want to just upgrade in 1 second. |
| 10:36.18 | jonathan_x | I also couldn't get rid of Owncloud or PHP 5.6 just like that. |
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| 10:36.43 | Maid-Chan | jonathan_x it has a partial path to the file. not the absolute path. so it's hard to know if there is a similar file somewhere on my system. |
| 10:36.47 | jonathan_x | It was also said PHP 5.6 would have an issue with the new ssl. |
| 10:37.56 | jonathan_x | Can't do apt-file searches for you now sorry, but it looks like it is either in /etc or in /usr/share. |
| 10:38.25 | jonathan_x | And also you can just search for FS-UAE and it obviously belongs to that, but I don't know what it is. |
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| 10:54.33 | tw | devices don't typically have a guid. They have a device path though. |
| 10:54.50 | tw | It can change based on where it is plugged in however. |
| 10:55.33 | tw | Certain exceptions (block devices, notably) do have guids. |
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| 11:05.39 | brokencycle | Hi! I want to add a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't exist - so it also doesn't come up automatically. pre-up doesn't cut it. |
| 11:06.03 | jonathan_x | bridge-utils has a tool |
| 11:06.12 | jonathan_x | mkbr or something |
| 11:06.15 | jonathan_x | Don't remember. |
| 11:06.22 | brokencycle | I used /sbin/brctl addbr virbr0 |
| 11:06.29 | jonathan_x | Oh ok yes that one. |
| 11:06.41 | brokencycle | but the point is: I can add it manually no problem - but I want to add it automatically, at boot time. |
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| 11:06.55 | jonathan_x | Doesn't it persist? |
| 11:06.59 | brokencycle | Nope. |
| 11:07.45 | brokencycle | I tried to add the brctl addbr statement to pre-up in the iface clause, but that doesn't work - also not with auto-hotplug |
| 11:08.03 | brokencycle | But I don't see where else I should add it. |
| 11:08.05 | jonathan_x | I have no definitive experience with Stretch but in Jessie you don't need any statements. |
| 11:08.11 | jonathan_x | apart from |
| 11:08.26 | jonathan_x | just mentioning the interface in a stanza and assigning ports to it. |
| 11:08.37 | brokencycle | yeah, forgot to mention: I'm on stretch. |
| 11:09.00 | brokencycle | I am using it together with containers - it must be possible to do, I'm just too blind. |
| 11:09.15 | jonathan_x | Do you use lxcnet? |
| 11:09.28 | brokencycle | I'm using Docker |
| 11:09.58 | jonathan_x | there were changes to VLAN functionality with respect to bridges but you are not using that |
| 11:10.03 | jonathan_x | I don't see why it doesn't wokr. |
| 11:10.04 | jonathan_x | work. |
| 11:10.32 | brokencycle | But thanks for trying and for the heads-up wrt. vlans, anyway! |
| 11:10.50 | Maid-Chan | it seems the guid is built from the bustype, vendid, devid, version... now just gotta figure out how to get these things. |
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| 11:12.11 | jonathan_x | Btw are you adding your eth0 to the bridge or does it stand alone? |
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| 11:12.45 | ZSky | Why does this work: |
| 11:12.46 | jonathan_x | Ie. is the docker on the same IP or on an internal IP? |
| 11:12.50 | ZSky | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.52 | ZSky | but not this: |
| 11:13.08 | ZSky | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.29 | ZSky | sorry |
| 11:13.33 | tw | ZSky: because /test/ is the search qualifier for the {print $2} action. |
| 11:13.37 | jonathan_x | looks like your /test/ is a regular expression. |
| 11:13.40 | jonathan_x | yes |
| 11:13.43 | ZSky | working: awk /'test/ { print $2 }' other_vhosts_access.log.2 |
| 11:13.53 | ZSky | non working: awk /test/ '{ print $2 }' other_vhosts_access.log.2 |
| 11:13.54 | tw | in test {}, it's checking if the variable test is true. |
| 11:14.13 | jonathan_x | awk '/test/ { print $2 }' |
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| 11:14.30 | tw | the space between /test/ and '{}' is interpreted as a separate argument. The script must be a single arg. |
| 11:14.48 | ZSky | but why the ' placed here: |
| 11:14.48 | tw | the space causes them to be interpreted as a separate arg. |
| 11:15.00 | ZSky | awk /'test/ { print $2 }' other_vhosts_access.log.2 |
| 11:15.04 | tw | you could place it anywhere within /test/ as long as it encapsulated the space. |
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| 11:15.14 | ZSky | that's a strange place to place the ', right? |
| 11:15.18 | tw | I put it at the beginning '/test/ { print $2 }' |
| 11:15.27 | ZSky | does it make sense to put it here: |
| 11:15.30 | tw | it's very strange, but it works because it's interpreted by shell expansion. |
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| 11:15.37 | tw | Not by awk. |
| 11:15.40 | ZSky | => /'test/ { print $2 }' |
| 11:15.42 | tw | right. |
| 11:15.44 | tw | No. |
| 11:15.45 | tw | But it works. |
| 11:15.53 | ZSky | but it doesnt make sense, right? |
| 11:15.53 | jonathan_x | awk '/test/ { print $2 }' |
| 11:16.02 | tw | eg, /test/' { print $2 }' would also work. |
| 11:16.20 | tw | As long as it encapsulates the space, it works just fine. |
| 11:16.23 | ZSky | ok |
| 11:16.44 | ZSky | so, for me to remember, it should be this, right?: awk '/test/ { print $2 }' |
| 11:16.45 | tw | Realistically, it's a typo someone made and since it works, it never got fixed. |
| 11:16.48 | tw | Yes. |
| 11:16.53 | ZSky | Thanks guys! |
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| 11:17.06 | ZSky | Does it translate like this: |
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| 11:17.22 | ZSky | If test is present *anywhere* in the middle of the line, then print the second column? |
| 11:17.38 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:17.58 | tw | anywhere in the line at all, beginning, middle, or end. |
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| 11:19.44 | jonathan_x | Maid-Chan: Maybe you need a spank to the buttocks from a customer, but I hoped that that tool whatever it was would be able to generate it for you. |
| 11:19.47 | jonathan_x | Pardon any allusions lol. |
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| 11:20.19 | Maid-Chan | what tool? did i miss something? |
| 11:20.43 | jonathan_x | That FS-UAE thing. |
| 11:20.46 | jonathan_x | ? |
| 11:21.02 | jonathan_x | Oh it's just an emulator. |
| 11:21.59 | jonathan_x | Maybe if you install it you will find your GUID in its files. |
| 11:22.16 | Maid-Chan | that'd be handy. i'll give that a go. |
| 11:22.33 | Maid-Chan | handily it's apparently amiga and i was needing one of those. :P |
| 11:22.50 | jonathan_x | :). |
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| 11:25.13 | student3532 | Hi, I just tried to ssh to my homeserver from a public wifi and ssh is saying someone is probably doing an mitm attack (this morning on the local ip everything worked fine). Is it possible to check which ip / MAC address the mitm attack is coming from? |
| 11:25.34 | jonathan_x | Maid-Chan: This tool also has a button that says "Copy Gamepad GUID" http://www.generalarcade.com/gamepadtool/ |
| 11:26.09 | tw | student3532: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:27.45 | Maid-Chan | well it definitly mapped the controller. :P so if i can find that file i'll prolly have the ID. :P I also need to figure out how to load in disk images. :P |
| 11:28.17 | Maid-Chan | jonathan_x, ahh that's handy too. thanx much for the help. :P |
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| 11:29.23 | Maid-Chan | what's a snap? is that similar to appimage? |
| 11:29.49 | jonathan_x | It's a weird Ubuntu thing that doesn't work. |
| 11:29.53 | jonathan_x | Well in my experience then ;-). |
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| 11:30.17 | Maid-Chan | ahh so deb or zip... |
| 11:30.20 | jonathan_x | It's an app image that sits in /snap and gets mounted somewhere else before being run. |
| 11:30.27 | Maid-Chan | everyone says donn't use deb... |
| 11:30.38 | jonathan_x | What's wrong with deb? |
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| 11:31.10 | Maid-Chan | i dunno. i've been told tons of times in here not to use them and then been linked thatarticle about "don't break your debian" |
| 11:31.15 | jonathan_x | snaps are just a system that uses a centralized mechanism for deployment with the hopes that they could also sell commerical snaps. |
| 11:31.27 | jonathan_x | Oh debs from other people they mean. |
| 11:31.36 | Maid-Chan | yeah that sounds very similar to appimage. |
| 11:31.42 | tw | or flatpak |
| 11:31.44 | jonathan_x | But snaps are not like that in any case. |
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| 11:32.54 | jonathan_x | But in general using .debs is safe if they won't go overwriting existing packages. |
| 11:33.30 | student3532 | tw: what am I looking for in that log? |
| 11:33.34 | jonathan_x | And I think dpkg already handles that... not apt... |
| 11:33.40 | tw | student3532: IP addresses would appear there. |
| 11:33.46 | tw | with usernames. |
| 11:33.51 | tw | attempted usernames |
| 11:34.40 | tw | jonathan_x: path-type searches make me differ in opinion. |
| 11:34.43 | jonathan_x | I am using some old firewall packages that I needed to build myself. They are debs. |
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| 11:35.09 | tw | esp ld.so search path |
| 11:35.11 | jonathan_x | path-type searches? |
| 11:35.35 | jonathan_x | Well then it just won't work right, it won't break your Debian. |
| 11:35.42 | student3532 | tw: I'm talking about client side, I'm in the library right now, and not going through with SSHing becasue of the security risk |
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| 11:36.25 | tw | student3532: oh, you're probably using an ip address that is not reachable from the library, yet some other computer is at that addr. |
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| 11:36.39 | tw | Which is why you get this error; the host key has changed. |
| 11:37.16 | tw | You need to ssh to a public routable IP of your home machine. |
| 11:37.56 | student3532 | tw: I also run a website on port 80 and was able to resolve that though, that's what makes it weird |
| 11:38.05 | tw | jonathan_x: for ld.so searches, it will use the first library it finds with the right name. Unfortunately, if this came from an external deb, it may be incompatible with the OS provided tools. |
| 11:38.10 | student3532 | which is http |
| 11:38.27 | brokencycle | Solution: add 'bridge_ports none' to the interface clause |
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| 11:38.35 | jonathan_x | tw: Sure but you shouldn't use debs that provide that level of system integration or system libraries. |
| 11:38.36 | tw | student3532: then I don't know, host key changing is pretty abnormal. |
| 11:39.00 | tw | jonathan_x: you're right, but there's no way of preventing it if there is no collision |
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| 11:39.18 | tw | Without manually inspecting the contents of the package. |
| 11:39.32 | jonathan_x | tw: Yeah I guess I would do that.... dpkg -L is my friend :p. |
| 11:39.58 | tw | I'm not sure that works on not-yet-installed packages, I've never tried. |
| 11:40.08 | jonathan_x | tw: Oh you're right. |
| 11:40.15 | jonathan_x | tw: You need dpkg-deb for that.. |
| 11:40.20 | tw | Sounds right |
| 11:40.20 | student3532 | tw: so isn't it safe to assume one of these dodgy people around me is trying to MITM everyone? that's what I'm trying to find out, who is doing that... |
| 11:40.21 | tremolo | Isn't there some concern about what the package's configuration scripts would do as well? |
| 11:40.58 | tw | oh probably, pre and post scripts can do whatever they want, iirc. |
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| 11:41.26 | jonathan_x | tremolo: Open a commercial VPN connection :p. |
| 11:41.42 | tw | I'm talking about non-malicious packages specifically. |
| 11:41.51 | tw | Malicious packages, well... different story. |
| 11:42.16 | johnkeates | i find that mostly users are the reasons computers misbehave, removing them would solve everything |
| 11:42.39 | jonathan_x | Indeed and replace them by better programmers. |
| 11:42.39 | jonathan_x | :p. |
| 11:42.41 | jonathan_x | Lol. |
| 11:43.06 | jonathan_x | (After all only a human can cause a computer to do anything). |
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| 11:43.21 | tremolo | tw: Right, I was more thinking of a package from another distro doing something that shouldn't be done on Debian. |
| 11:44.10 | tw | student3532: It's more likely that there's a transparent proxy run by the library or the university that is messing with you. I still wouldn't connect without verifying the host key. |
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| 11:45.29 | tremolo | jonathan_x: What do you mean? |
| 11:46.20 | jonathan_x | Not sure if they (if there are hackers) would be able to intercept a VPN connection and modify the server certificate runtime. |
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| 11:48.07 | jonathan_x | With SSH without you having the server key in advance you can only check the key signature. |
| 11:48.22 | jonathan_x | Maybe that's the same thing. |
| 11:49.45 | jonathan_x | Chances are nothing is going on though, I have had weird host key changes that probably resulted from some package update or something. |
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| 11:51.27 | jonathan_x | But if a VPN login were to succeed without warning there wouldn't be a MITM |
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| 11:52.08 | GNU\colossus | that's pretty much impossible, except for when an upgrade enabled a new hostkey algorithm (that your client config then prefers over an old one), or the package that is being installed is badly broken. |
| 11:52.20 | tw | afaik that has only happened once with debian when the weak key material CVE came out. |
| 11:52.24 | GNU\colossus | ("host key changes that probably resulted from some package update") |
| 11:52.53 | jonathan_x | Idk I have just had it several times. |
| 11:53.23 | tw | It'd happen on a reinstall or if you manually deleted your host keys |
| 11:53.29 | tw | (regen is automatic) |
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| 11:59.57 | JohnA | I am upgrading my server. The ne w systen is the first with uefi. I have 5 large HDD which I want to setup as a raid (10?) are there any gotchas in using whole disks in athe raid. eg where does efi partion go? ... |
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| 12:00.45 | GNU\colossus | JohnA, you need to tread carefully. the EFI system partition can't be on a software RAID |
| 12:00.56 | GNU\colossus | it has to be BIOS-fakeRAID or hardware-RAID |
| 12:01.22 | GNU\colossus | 5disk RAID10 is possible, but a little awkward |
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| 12:02.46 | JohnA | GNU\colossus, that should read 4, they are 4tbs |
| 12:02.57 | tw | You can set aside a partition at the beginning of the disk for that, aligned appropriately for your raid10 to take up the same block range on the remainder of the disk. I usually do raid1 w/ metadata format 0.9 for that partition so it gets replicated to at least one other disk. |
| 12:03.03 | Parrhesiastes | my kobo ebook-reader seem to show up only as sdd without a number after it, is it normal? i seem to be able to mount it, but its empty .. |
| 12:03.20 | GNU\colossus | JohnA, is your new server intel-based? |
| 12:03.38 | JohnA | I was debating adding 5th drive puttng the data on raid and the system on something else |
| 12:03.43 | GNU\colossus | and is booting it in UEFI mode a strict requirement? |
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| 12:05.44 | JohnA | GNU\colossus, as far as I can tell from the MB manual yes. The local HW store is gamer oriented and M$ seems to rule! |
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| 12:06.14 | GNU\colossus | JohnA, you should probably look into the IMSM container format for RAID arrays that mdadm can manage |
| 12:06.33 | weh6 | Tracking, and graphing user activity? I imagine this is very unique. I would like to know what websites are visited, at what times.. When the user is active, or not active.. |
| 12:06.33 | GNU\colossus | that way you can boot from your 4 disks in, say, RAID10, and also have all your data on them |
| 12:07.18 | weh6 | Perhaps a program that detects mouse/keyboard movement given a timeout threshold, logs last commands, uses iptables, proxy, or similar option to log websites visited, at what times.. |
| 12:07.29 | JohnA | IMSM? not familar with term? Looks like google will be my friend for a while |
| 12:07.32 | weh6 | I imagine a solution already exists? |
| 12:07.47 | n4n0` | google is always your friend JohnA |
| 12:08.18 | JohnA | n4n0`, I don't I know it!!! |
| 12:09.07 | JohnA | Any advice on "good" sites to go looking at for info. My original server is about 8y old and stioll running, but 8y! |
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| 12:10.07 | JohnA | I have thought of adding a SDD(?) drive for the system stuff and using the HDD for the Data storage. Whorthwhile? |
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| 12:10.37 | n4n0` | sounds like a plan JohnA |
| 12:11.55 | n4n0` | unless you're a super duper lab technician and can recover data from a SSD, you should always keep your 'actual' data stored on a spin-type |
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| 12:12.47 | jonathan_x | JohnA: Only using a small SSD for boot is also possible of course. |
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| 12:13.20 | jonathan_x | JohnA: You could even do that with an USB stick. But something internal would be better I guess. |
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| 12:13.30 | jonathan_x | Linux can be booted from anywhere as long as the boot loader can run. |
| 12:13.32 | Nialcen | Hello all. |
| 12:13.34 | n4n0` | true story jonathan_x because of USB limitations. |
| 12:13.35 | tw | weh6: auditd + some proxy. You have to do some root certificate manipulation to get SSL interception working, and it might just break altogether. |
| 12:13.57 | tw | If they can sudo, it will probably be moot. |
| 12:14.00 | n4n0` | you won't find a faster route to the cpu/mobo than with pci |
| 12:14.19 | tw | it's also CPU/IO expensive |
| 12:14.44 | jonathan_x | Yes but for booting you only really require some SDcard of sorts. |
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| 12:15.06 | weh6 | tw, Terrible solution. auiditd only solves a small handful of my issue. Using a proxy... adds too much overhead. A stateful firewall would do better. |
| 12:15.18 | jonathan_x | At least without UEFI all you need is a boot partition with grub in the MBR and on the disk. |
| 12:15.46 | jonathan_x | My current computer can only boot Linux with an USB stick :p. |
| 12:15.59 | n4n0` | my poweredge doesnt have sdcard slot :( |
| 12:16.04 | tw | weh6: a stateful firewall doesn't care about domain names. |
| 12:16.11 | jonathan_x | n4n0`: mSATA SSD. |
| 12:16.13 | tw | have fun sorting out cloudflare |
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| 12:16.30 | JohnA | The problem is that it getting increasing difficult to find MB that don't demand UEFI |
| 12:16.39 | jonathan_x | Hmm. |
| 12:16.47 | n4n0` | mmm. coffee |
| 12:16.50 | weh6 | tw, destination address would be enough. |
| 12:16.53 | jonathan_x | Maybe there is a reason I want to stick to the old stuff. |
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| 12:17.51 | jonathan_x | I have a 30 GB mSATA that I only use now for caching but originally just as extra boot device. |
| 12:17.57 | n4n0` | jonathan_x, you mean like the evo 850? |
| 12:18.20 | jonathan_x | That is huge for what you need. |
| 12:18.20 | JohnA | jonathan_x, so do but there comes a time when you have to replace it. |
| 12:18.21 | Nialcen | I have a small problem on my raspi 3 :I try to use a static IP instead of the DHCP. I change /etc/dhcp.conf and /etc/hosts. ifconfig gimme the static IP, no problem, but I can't connect using ssh or SFTP anymore, and hitting my IP adress is the same, apache do not answer me anymore. What do I miss ? |
| 12:18.38 | n4n0` | Nialcen, please go to #raspberry-pi |
| 12:18.48 | Nialcen | Roger that, thank you |
| 12:18.50 | jonathan_x | mSATA can also be m.2 |
| 12:18.53 | n4n0` | lol jonathan_x but I want the 950 |
| 12:18.54 | jonathan_x | or whatever it is claled |
| 12:18.56 | jonathan_x | called |
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| 12:19.08 | jonathan_x | Sure if you want to install system on SSD go ahead. |
| 12:19.19 | n4n0` | its a cloud controller |
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| 12:19.20 | jonathan_x | I was just talking about having a dedicated disk for a boot partition |
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| 12:19.29 | Nialcen | n4no empty/dead chan |
| 12:20.03 | n4n0` | sorry, I meant #raspberrypi. |
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| 12:20.10 | n4n0` | without the . |
| 12:20.35 | Nialcen | Ty o/ |
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| 12:20.42 | JohnA | n4n0`, you mean the '-" |
| 12:20.56 | jonathan_x | No he typed a . at the end the second time. |
| 12:21.01 | jonathan_x | :p. Anyway. |
| 12:21.06 | n4n0` | lol gdi |
| 12:21.16 | n4dir | Nialcen: then try the forum of raspberry https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ |
| 12:21.24 | jonathan_x | He's gone. |
| 12:21.24 | JohnA | oooops! |
| 12:22.17 | jonathan_x | I mean these drives: https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/system-builder/sms200s3 (ms200) |
| 12:22.20 | n4n0` | locates ANY key |
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| 12:23.40 | JohnA | I am sort of playing with the idea of using the 'fake' raid controller build in to the hw. in the past I have avoided them but am I out of date on their usefulness |
| 12:23.59 | tw | weh6: If you're looking for an analytics tool, I don't know of any. You can find out all those things by processing the logs from said tools, but it sounds like you don't want to roll your own. Everything interesting a user can do is a syscall and that's exactly what auditd gives you. |
| 12:24.34 | jonathan_x | JohnA: You can also use M.2 SSD but they are said to run very hot. |
| 12:25.22 | jonathan_x | Maybe it's overkill for nothing but a boot partition/boot loader/EFI partition. |
| 12:25.32 | JohnA | my experiance is that anything that runs hot tends to have a short(shorter) life than usual. |
| 12:25.47 | weh6 | tw, Why would I roll my own, or cobble together a half working solution? Sure, a shell script that checks for mouse, and keyboard activity, using squid, parses logs is an option.. I wanted an existing solution. |
| 12:25.52 | jonathan_x | Sure but if you only use it for booting that's not an issue. |
| 12:26.24 | weh6 | There are much better ways to achieve my goal than hacking something together. Which in a sense is what you suggest. I sppreciate the advice. |
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| 12:26.56 | weh6 | If an existing solution doesn't exist, which sounds the case, I'll obviously go the route you suggest, what else is left? |
| 12:27.11 | JohnA | jonathan_x, are they hot only when active or is it all the time? |
| 12:27.21 | n4n0` | shes usually hot all the time |
| 12:27.57 | JohnA | therefor, likely to have reduced life. |
| 12:28.10 | n4n0` | so I shouldn't date hot girls |
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| 12:29.58 | jonathan_x | JohnA: He's talking about his ex-girlfriends not your ssd. |
| 12:30.09 | n4n0` | hehe |
| 12:30.16 | JohnA | Not if you want an long (but maybe boring life), on the other hand life is for living. I want my drive to have long boring lives. & I an in my 70s so I must have had ... |
| 12:30.52 | jonathan_x | I am pretty sure they only run hot when used. |
| 12:31.30 | n4n0` | So then apply more cooling? |
| 12:31.33 | jonathan_x | But in any case the only reason You'd choose m.2 SSD is because it doesn't require a converter to attach it to a regular SATA port, and if your motherboard has an M.2 slot. |
| 12:32.01 | jonathan_x | Otherwise if you have room for a bracket, converter and the mSata, that's fine too. |
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| 12:32.32 | jonathan_x | I was only mSata as a smallish alternative if you cared about having a separate boot drive (but not system drive). |
| 12:32.47 | JohnA | jonathan_x, so when dormant they "probably" cool off. Mind u that may not be good, most electronics last longer when kept at stable temps and conditions. |
| 12:32.57 | jonathan_x | Oh come on. |
| 12:33.17 | tw | weh6: I can't help with an integrated solution. apparmor would give you exec logs, but it's probably more trouble than its worth. evtest, libinput, or just /dev/input/* will give you key/mouse events in a non-intrusive way, but won't correlate it to a specific user on the console. |
| 12:33.21 | jonathan_x | I only base myself on one person that used it in a system and it ran hot for him, I have no other knowledge. |
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| 12:33.52 | jonathan_x | And a boot drive (not system drive) is only used for 10 seconds. |
| 12:34.00 | n4n0` | true |
| 12:34.06 | JohnA | I was an engineer, I remember these things, if I remember anything, like hot girls |
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| 12:34.27 | jonathan_x | Well systemd is evil you know. |
| 12:34.35 | n4n0` | systemd is evil. |
| 12:34.39 | jonathan_x | Amen. |
| 12:35.01 | JohnA | I must admit I llok at systemd, and keep seeing M$ |
| 12:35.20 | n4n0` | ew |
| 12:35.31 | n4n0` | my nanites just puked |
| 12:35.44 | JohnA | It breaks the kiss principal at every turn. |
| 12:36.09 | n4n0` | however, the hololens project is interesting. |
| 12:36.18 | themill | perhaps you were looking for ##chat |
| 12:36.20 | n4n0` | but thats for #debian-offtopic lol |
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| 12:38.51 | JohnA | n4n0`, lets stick to debian, don't want to make too many people feel queasy |
| 12:39.04 | n4n0` | okie |
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| 12:49.11 | EdtheMexi | Anyone with opinion regarding Ansible |
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| 12:51.14 | SpeedyG | just started learning some about ansible but it looks quite promising :) |
| 12:51.19 | jonathan_x | I think I want to delete my current system and just install Debian 9 from scratch, but that will probably give me even more trouble... |
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| 12:52.52 | babilen | EdtheMexi: For what? |
| 12:53.10 | jonathan_x | The amount of customization is really staggering... :(. |
| 12:53.18 | jonathan_x | Well it's not so bad but still a lot of work. |
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| 12:53.40 | jonathan_x | Which I generally fail at these days... |
| 12:53.41 | slax0r | hello, if I run find . -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \; to remove all files older than 30 days, can I expect some heavy I/O load if there are ALOT of files? |
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| 12:54.39 | Nothing4You | how can i figure out what is occupying a port if netstat only tells me it's occupied by 1/init? |
| 12:54.47 | Brigo | slax0r, yes, you can use nice though. |
| 12:55.04 | slax0r | fair point, thanks |
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| 12:55.57 | EdtheMexi | babilen: For APP Deployment |
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| 12:56.26 | JohnA | slax0r, I would be very care about using "find ." in this context |
| 12:56.46 | slax0r | JohnA: in what sense? |
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| 12:57.14 | themill | -delete is a thing too |
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| 12:58.20 | JohnA | removing everything older than 30 days in the wrong place could remove stuff needed to keep your system up. |
| 12:58.47 | EdtheMexi | I'm looking for a way where I can have the users have a catalogue style of applications which we can have at their disposal whenever they require a certain APP which we support/allow, they will be able to self attend and get the APP via a catalogue. |
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| 12:59.06 | EdtheMexi | I don't know if this would be feasible |
| 12:59.11 | slax0r | that's true, but I made sure I am not in a place where I can delete unwanted stuff, and even if I do, it's only a production server |
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| 13:00.13 | slax0r | on a serious note, I didn't actually use . in the actual command, but it's a lot faster to type . here where the path does not really matter to the question |
| 13:00.20 | JohnA | slax0r, oh ok its not an important system, doesn't have any worth keeping on it |
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| 13:02.02 | JohnA | slax0r, OK, using . in real life can have unexpected consequences |
| 13:02.54 | ghormoon | hi, is there currently way to install flash from .deb on stretch? tried both 3.6.1 from jessie and 3.7 from sid, none ofthem works :) |
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| 13:04.26 | themill | browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash works; where it is a good way of doing things or not remains to be seen |
| 13:04.55 | ghormoon | that doesn't work, at least in firefox, in chromium it doesn't even try |
| 13:05.15 | themill | it works only in firefox |
| 13:06.30 | slax0r | OS-32198: whatever that it is that you are wanting to ask me, I am sure you will get an answer sooner if you ask it directly in the channel... |
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| 13:06.56 | hellyeah | !msg dpkg multipmedia |
| 13:06.56 | GNU\colossus | has anyone in here used dspam in the past? if so, what did you migrate to for filtering spam on your MX? |
| 13:07.02 | hellyeah | !msg dpkg multimedia |
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| 13:07.32 | hellyeah | dpkg |
| 13:07.33 | ZSky | for i in 1..30 |
| 13:07.34 | hellyeah | !dpkg |
| 13:07.34 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 13:07.41 | pingfloyd | !snss |
| 13:07.41 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:07.42 | hellyeah | !dpkg multimedia |
| 13:07.46 | ZSky | for i in 1..30 do echo i; done; |
| 13:07.50 | ZSky | i never remember... |
| 13:08.01 | GNU\colossus | in {1..30} |
| 13:08.01 | themill | hellyeah: monkeys and typewriters? |
| 13:08.08 | GNU\colossus | it's a brace expansion feature |
| 13:08.21 | hellyeah | i just want to learn multimedia repo of debian |
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| 13:08.35 | themill | hellyeah: there is no "multimedia repo of debian" |
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| 13:08.44 | themill | there is debian. |
| 13:08.46 | ZSky | for i in {1..30} do echo $i done; |
| 13:08.52 | ZSky | ^ doesn't work |
| 13:08.59 | GNU\colossus | you miss a ; |
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| 13:09.02 | GNU\colossus | or a linebreak |
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| 13:09.11 | hellyeah | themill, there is a repo here https://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
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| 13:09.13 | GNU\colossus | after your LIST (taht the braces expand to) |
| 13:09.23 | GNU\colossus | for i in {1..30}; do echo $i; done |
| 13:09.43 | ghormoon | themill: it fails to load libpepflashplayer.so, apt-file search libpepflashplayer.so returns nothing |
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| 13:10.11 | themill | hellyeah: deb-multimedia.org is not the multimedia repo of debian. It's a collection of crap packages that are exceedingly badly maintained by a maintainer with no clue how to work with other developers |
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| 13:10.48 | themill | ghormoon: which architecture is this for? |
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| 13:11.48 | themill | ghormoon: libpepflashplayer.so is not in any package (it is not allowed to redistribute it); it is downloaded by pepperflashplugin-nonfree -- did you also install that package? |
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| 13:13.31 | ghormoon | themill: that package doesn't exist, should i bring it from jessie or somewhere else? |
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| 13:13.49 | themill | ,i pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:13.50 | ghormoon | I have non-free and contrib in sources.list |
| 13:13.50 | judd | No package named 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 13:14.22 | themill | probably from sid, it seems |
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| 13:18.17 | ghormoon | jessie one was somehow broken, though sid worked, thanks |
| 13:18.22 | tw | ZSky: be aware that {1..30} is a bashism. $(seq 1 30) will work in posix-y (or generally less featureful) shells. |
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| 13:21.34 | GNU\colossus | `seq` isn't POSIX, so there's very little to win in that regard. |
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| 13:23.03 | blingrang | Hi, I have a new Deb 8 server. "du" shows that "/" is being mounted from "/dev/root". But when I run "tunefs" on "/dev/root", it errors out saying "the file or directory doesn't exist". |
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| 13:23.20 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.21 | tw | mmm, seems not, my mistake. But it works on debian and busybox. |
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| 13:23.27 | blingrang | JustASlacker, yes |
| 13:23.29 | tw | (debian dash) |
| 13:24.03 | blingrang | I confirmed that /dev/root doesn't exist. Moreover, "mounts" show that /dev/sda is mounted on "/" |
| 13:24.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.50 | blingrang | petemc, exactly, that's what I'm expecting. Thanks for the confirmation. |
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| 13:25.29 | tw | Said /dev/root doesn't exist on my deb9. |
| 13:26.05 | blingrang | hmmm |
| 13:26.30 | blingrang | How can '/' be mounted from /dev/root, when /dev/root doesn't exist? |
| 13:26.30 | petemc | doesnt exist on 9.1 for me, is there on a 7.1 |
| 13:27.01 | blingrang | petemc, I can confirm the symlink exists on wheezy |
| 13:27.01 | hellyeah | hey |
| 13:27.12 | hellyeah | is there a package to convert pdf to doc in debian? |
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| 13:28.54 | gpunk | hellyeah: I donno if WPS office is in the debian repos. |
| 13:28.56 | tw | blingrang: possibly an artifact of your initrd + grub config. I don't think the string is updated after switch_root/pivot_root. |
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| 13:29.36 | gpunk | and I havent tryied it that way |
| 13:30.23 | hellyeah | gpunk, i am sure wps has debian package i will check it |
| 13:30.52 | gpunk | yes they have a .deb |
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| 13:37.29 | awal1 | ,v wicd |
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| 13:37.30 | judd | Package: wicd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.2.4-4; jessie: 1.7.2.4-4.1; buster: 1.7.4+tb2-4; sid: 1.7.4+tb2-4; stretch: 1.7.4+tb2-4 |
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| 13:38.25 | awal1 | is wicd under active development or almost maintenance? |
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| 13:39.39 | awal1 | nm : wifi 40%, wicd: 50/60% |
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| 13:49.01 | hellyeah | how can i remove first character of file i have 20 files begins with "-". |
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| 13:51.18 | themill | rename can do it and seems to not get confused by the leading - |
| 13:51.53 | themill | otherwise, the magic "--" argument: mv -- -foo foo |
| 13:51.56 | hellyeah | yeah rename |
| 13:51.59 | hellyeah | hmm let me check |
| 13:52.19 | themill | or use something like vidir |
| 13:52.32 | hellyeah | vidir |
| 13:52.53 | hellyeah | deiban doesnt have that :/ |
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| 13:54.59 | themill | doesn't have what? |
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| 13:55.07 | awal1 | i think it is part of moreutils pkg, hellyeah |
| 13:55.21 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 13:55.22 | hellyeah | thanks |
| 13:55.47 | themill | both apt-file search and apt-cache search |
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| 13:56.23 | ZSky | for i in {1..30}; do echo $i; done |
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| 13:56.28 | ZSky | ^^ this will display 1, 2, 3, |
| 13:56.35 | ZSky | how to get 01, 02, 03, .. 30 instead? |
| 13:56.57 | Rembo | hello everyone, does the following cronjob set corect to start every monday at 00:01? : 01 00 * * 1 curl https://www.worldofthegods.com/sidebox_topvoters/cron >/dev/null 2>&1 ? |
| 13:57.28 | JustASlacker | Rembo: https://crontab.guru/ |
| 13:57.52 | JustASlacker | looks right |
| 13:58.07 | gpunk | 00 01 ... |
| 13:58.08 | gpunk | ? |
| 13:58.19 | gpunk | oh sorry |
| 13:58.22 | gpunk | discard me |
| 13:58.33 | Flerex | Does anybody know any resource where I can learn all the steps in the booting process of Debian? |
| 13:58.34 | Flerex | I found this page https://wiki.debian.org/BootProcess but I was told it is outdated since Debian uses now something called Systemd |
| 13:59.03 | ZSky | i mean with for i in {1..30}; do ... $i |
| 13:59.16 | ZSky | $i will be 1, 2, 3 => how to get 01 02 03 instead? |
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| 14:02.08 | adelyne | Flerex: systemd has a page about it, I'll find it |
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| 14:02.41 | M3B0 | for i in {1..30}; do printf "0.2%d" $i; done |
| 14:02.41 | adelyne | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/bootup.html |
| 14:02.59 | M3B0 | ZSky: for i in {1..30}; do printf "0.2%d" $i; done |
| 14:03.00 | Flerex | adelyne: Thank you very much! :) |
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| 14:03.48 | adelyne | Flerex: "man bootup" if you want the offline version :) |
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| 14:04.23 | Flerex | To be honest I didn't know you could get this kind of information with man |
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| 14:04.36 | Flerex | Got a lot to learn |
| 14:04.48 | ZSky | M3B0 in fact I wanted to do: |
| 14:05.23 | ZSky | for i in {1..30}; do echo -n $i/Aug/2017; grep $i/Aug/2017 other_vhosts_access.log |
| 14:05.32 | JustASlacker | done |
| 14:05.45 | ZSky | M3B0 how to use your trick in this? |
| 14:06.07 | JustASlacker | uh |
| 14:06.13 | JustASlacker | why not just grep |
| 14:06.47 | JustASlacker | looks like you just grep through all days? |
| 14:06.56 | M3B0 | ZSky: For that use grep with regex. No need to use for and echo. |
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| 14:12.02 | andrew2221 | Hi everyone. A quick question, maybe someone could help me. Not Debian specific tho. Using tar, to compress a folder, I wanted to exclude a subfolder, and added the --exclude='./folder_to_exclude' after the options, resulting in a file called "--exclude=.tmp", and I cannot delete it with rm, because of the characters it contains. Tried to escape th |
| 14:12.02 | andrew2221 | em with \, to no avail. Could someone tell me how to delete that file? |
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| 14:13.08 | andrew2221 | It's on a remote server, and I do not have other programs such as mc.. |
| 14:13.28 | petemc | andrew2221: rm -- --ex<tab> |
| 14:16.12 | xand | or ./--ex... |
| 14:17.00 | andrew2221 | petemc: Thank you very much, it worked. |
| 14:17.37 | andrew2221 | xand: Thank you, I will try this one too, tho petemc: 's solution worked too. |
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| 14:28.31 | BoomSie | Hi, anybody familiar with using FortiClient in combination with a pre-shared key? I'm googling my ass of, but ending up nowhere. |
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| 14:32.24 | lezsakdomi | Hi! |
| 14:33.04 | lezsakdomi | I'm sure that everyone is familiar with the "ping: snedto: Network unreachable" message. |
| 14:33.12 | lezsakdomi | What does it mean exactly? |
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| 14:34.32 | BoomSie | lezsakdomi: not sure what you're trying to ask, but it just means there's no network configuration OR dns result for snedto |
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| 14:35.18 | BoomSie | most likely no network configuration, dns error would be something like 'unknown host ....' |
| 14:35.20 | lezsakdomi | *sendto |
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| 14:35.38 | M3B0 | lezsakdomi: It means that you do not have a route to that network. |
| 14:36.06 | lezsakdomi | And what can cause error by network configuration? Eventually my routes are fine. |
| 14:36.31 | JustASlacker | maybe clean your pipes |
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| 14:37.22 | gpunk | a down router |
| 14:38.42 | lezsakdomi | gpunk: Oh, that was it! |
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| 14:38.55 | gpunk | :) |
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| 14:39.02 | lezsakdomi | Thank you all for your responses! |
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| 14:43.19 | ZSky | M3B0 can you give an example? |
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| 14:48.34 | M3B0 | ZSky: if all you need is grep $i/Aug/2017 with i from 01 to 31 you can use grep directly. grep "[0-3][0-9]/Aug/2017" YOURFILE I think it will work |
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| 14:51.52 | lezsakdomi | OMG, I am really in trouble. |
| 14:52.14 | lezsakdomi | ping 8.8.8.8: sento: network unavailable |
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| 14:53.02 | lezsakdomi | ip route get 8.8.8.8: ... via 192.168.43.1 dev ... src ... |
| 14:53.08 | JustASlacker | pretty sure google works |
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| 14:53.19 | lezsakdomi | ping 192.168.43.1: OK |
| 14:54.04 | inaki | so your internet is down, or the router is misconfigured |
| 14:54.13 | lezsakdomi | JustASlacker: What do you mean? |
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| 14:54.30 | lezsakdomi | No. The error is at my host side. |
| 14:54.36 | JustASlacker | just making a bad joke, dont mind me |
| 14:55.05 | lezsakdomi | BTW I am IRCing from the same router, but using a different laptop. |
| 14:55.38 | JustASlacker | paste the output from ip a s and ip r somewhere |
| 14:56.08 | JustASlacker | ip a, ip r I mean |
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| 14:57.28 | cpn_zoom | hello! an iptables question: i have iptables set up with policy DROP for INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD, and then I have a rule that allows a certain user to make outgoing tcp connections and another that allows incoming and outgoing packets with --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED (to allow traffic on the allowed tcp connections). i log everything else. occasionally i get lines like "IN= OUT=wlan0 SRC=192.168.2.100 DST=SOME.DEST.IP LEN=52 |
| 14:57.28 | cpn_zoom | TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=13575 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=47491 DPT=443 WINDOW=434 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0" in the log, which look like ACK packets on the allowed connections... is iptables somehow missing that those should match --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED? how can i debug that? |
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| 15:01.16 | JPT | cpn_zoom: You can use iptables -S to dump the whole ruleset, so we can take a closer look |
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| 15:02.09 | cpn_zoom | i think i just realised that i only have the --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED for INPUT... so if the ACKs for some reason don't get tagged with the user id the rules _should_ block them. |
| 15:02.26 | cpn_zoom | can that happen? |
| 15:02.48 | JPT | Maybe you just forgot -m state |
| 15:02.57 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | Hello, how i mount a cdrom with write permissions from usb pendrive? |
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| 15:03.36 | JPT | Hijo_Del_Agobio: Isn't a cdrom usually read only? |
| 15:03.41 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | I'm trying mount /dev/sdf1 /media/cdrom but it mount the cdrom as read only |
| 15:04.02 | M3B0 | ROM: Read Only Memory...... |
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| 15:04.21 | cpn_zoom | Hijo_Del_Agobio: if it's an ISO image i don't think there even are any drivers that can write to those. |
| 15:04.30 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | yes JPT but i need to add anarchives to install binary-i386 for wine |
| 15:04.36 | JPT | In case you want to burn a cd maybe this can help a bit: https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd |
| 15:05.01 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | M3B0, hahah i know this |
| 15:05.19 | JPT | Hijo_Del_Agobio: Please give a bit more details: What are you trying to do? :) |
| 15:05.51 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | So, how i can mount the pendrive as pendrive and modify the files? |
| 15:06.12 | JPT | Ah, okay. In that case, there should be mount options for this ... let's see |
| 15:06.59 | JPT | You should be able to use the uid= and gid= options for mount to specify user and group |
| 15:07.12 | dgp | Hijo_Del_Agobio: what filesystem is the pendrive using? |
| 15:07.14 | JPT | With mode= you can influence the permissions |
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| 15:07.49 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | Yes JPT to install wine i need install the binary-i386 packagues, I try apt-get --add-i386 and apt-get update, and te program say me insert the debian cdrom but my debian usb endrive not contains the binary-i386 and I need to add this |
| 15:08.04 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | I think is FAT32 JPT |
| 15:08.33 | JPT | What's on that pendrive? |
| 15:08.34 | dgp | Hijo_Del_Agobio: do you have an internet connection? |
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| 15:09.00 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | yes JPT |
| 15:09.00 | dgp | Hijo_Del_Agobio: if so just comment out the cdrom in your apt sources and let apt grab it from a mirror |
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| 15:09.51 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | i downloaded the binary-i386 directory from wine web page |
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| 15:10.35 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | I only need mount the pendrive as normal pendrive with permisions to modify files inside |
| 15:10.48 | dgp | apt can't use directories of random .deb packages. It would be easier for you to just let apt get the files via http |
| 15:10.52 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | andafter umount this and munt again as cdrom |
| 15:11.15 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | JPT how i cando it? |
| 15:12.59 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | but I want save the deb packagues for use it in a future without internet connection |
| 15:14.21 | JPT | Hijo_Del_Agobio: What you can do is to store the .deb files on your machine and manually install them using dpkg -i |
| 15:14.35 | JustASlacker | yeah, just apt download them and keep for later user |
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| 15:15.28 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | Yes JPT it is the best solution for me |
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| 15:16.02 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | Know you the packagues that i need to download? |
| 15:16.23 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | or a list that say these packagues |
| 15:17.16 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | to enable the multiarch suport, i386 for wine32 |
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| 15:17.53 | Hijo_Del_Agobio | JustASlacker, thanks |
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| 15:27.54 | jedix | I'm having issues with all menus in firefox 56 and 57 |
| 15:28.07 | jedix | it seems like it's probably a gtk3 issue.. but I can't track it down |
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| 15:29.24 | goofy_ | guys |
| 15:29.31 | goofy_ | just because i'm dumb |
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| 15:29.52 | goofy_ | i did sudo chown www-data:www-data / |
| 15:30.10 | goofy_ | is there some way to rollback? |
| 15:30.41 | AndreasLutro | unless you did it with -R, sudo chown root:root / |
| 15:30.51 | lezsakdomi | goofy_: Fortunately you didn't use -r |
| 15:30.58 | scyte | oh god |
| 15:31.09 | goofy_ | i don't remember |
| 15:31.14 | goofy_ | let me check |
| 15:31.21 | AndreasLutro | ls -la / would probably tell you |
| 15:31.43 | jedix | or history |
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| 15:32.04 | lezsakdomi | If so, it's just a sudo chown root:root / |
| 15:32.05 | goofy_ | ok |
| 15:32.07 | lezsakdomi | If not... |
| 15:32.20 | goofy_ | the output was too high |
| 15:32.25 | goofy_ | too much lines |
| 15:32.51 | pztrick | is /root owned by www-data or root? |
| 15:32.56 | lezsakdomi | ls -ld /etc |
| 15:33.08 | JustASlacker | meh |
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| 15:33.12 | JustASlacker | you broke it |
| 15:33.17 | goofy_ | wait, i'm booting th server |
| 15:33.35 | lezsakdomi | Doesn't sound good :D |
| 15:33.39 | JustASlacker | aye |
| 15:34.30 | scyte | luckily you had backups |
| 15:34.52 | lezsakdomi | The data isn'nt lost, just the metadata. |
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| 15:35.22 | pztrick | can also mount disk on another machine if it is not encrypted |
| 15:35.48 | pztrick | possibly get into root from bootloader also |
| 15:36.00 | jedix | or reinstall and not format might work too |
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| 15:36.21 | goofy_ | i think the system broken |
| 15:36.24 | goofy_ | it does not boot up |
| 15:36.44 | goofy_ | blinking cursor and a black screen |
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| 15:36.49 | pztrick | this is physical or cloud server? |
| 15:36.57 | goofy_ | physical |
| 15:37.05 | goofy_ | it's an hp microserver |
| 15:37.08 | lezsakdomi | Now comes the emergency way: Get an other "boot disk" and do a chroot. |
| 15:37.36 | pztrick | yea you need to boot from live CD and inspect hard drive that way... probably easier to copy/reinstall than try to fix permissions |
| 15:37.39 | JustASlacker | just reinstall that bitch |
| 15:37.49 | jelly | looks at JustASlacker |
| 15:37.51 | pztrick | just save any data you need using live CD |
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| 15:38.05 | goofy_ | i think i will format |
| 15:38.16 | goofy_ | i do not want to get a broken OS |
| 15:38.32 | goofy_ | oh |
| 15:38.35 | goofy_ | it's booted up |
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| 15:38.43 | goofy_ | but it's asking or a assword |
| 15:38.47 | lezsakdomi | BTW you should be able to boot singleuser. |
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| 15:39.20 | DJDan | With Netatalk AFP, how do i enable full access to read/write everything in root for a perticular user? |
| 15:39.43 | goofy_ | i can only login as a guest |
| 15:39.47 | goofy_ | let me try with tty |
| 15:39.50 | lezsakdomi | In meantime I have figured out some interesting fact (misconfiguration) about the network I'm using. But I given up again. |
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| 15:40.09 | lezsakdomi | ip addr: http://termbin.com/myc4 |
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| 15:40.46 | lezsakdomi | ip route: http://termbin.com/gqmy |
| 15:41.21 | rocketman_ | between libpam-ldapd and libnss-ldapd, is there an advantage for either, for authentication service with ldap/openldap? |
| 15:41.26 | lezsakdomi | What I don't understand: ping 8.8.8.8 fails with "sendto: Network unreachable" |
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| 15:41.42 | lezsakdomi | ...and ping 192.168.43.1 succeeds |
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| 15:42.07 | rocketman_ | lezsakdomi: it means there is a gateway issue likely |
| 15:42.18 | rocketman_ | no access to the internet |
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| 15:43.00 | lezsakdomi | rocketman_: How could I debug it? |
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| 15:43.20 | lezsakdomi | Note that I'm IRCing using that gw, but different machine |
| 15:43.50 | jelly | lezsakdomi: just for fun, does ping work as root? |
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| 15:43.57 | rocketman_ | check the interfaces for that machine, lezsakdomi |
| 15:44.48 | lezsakdomi | I've issued the commands as root. |
| 15:44.53 | eb0t | he lezsakdomi whatever device you are going through to reach 8.8.8.8 has not got a route to 6.6.6.6 |
| 15:44.57 | eb0t | 8.8.8.8 |
| 15:45.00 | goofy_ | yes i did use -R |
| 15:45.05 | goofy_ | i found it in history |
| 15:45.11 | eb0t | maybe traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
| 15:45.20 | eb0t | see which device it stops at |
| 15:45.31 | jelly | lezsakdomi: which debian release is this? |
| 15:45.41 | eb0t | then check on the device how it gets to 8.8.8.8 ..maybe its default gateway is down |
| 15:46.07 | lezsakdomi | Oookay, the thruth is, that its just linux :) |
| 15:46.18 | jelly | lezsakdomi: then ask in ##linux |
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| 15:46.40 | lezsakdomi | Ok, I'm going! |
| 15:46.57 | lezsakdomi | (but first checking your recommendations :) ) |
| 15:47.32 | jelly | two default routes and br-lan sounded more like openwrt/lede than debian |
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| 15:47.53 | jelly | and those have WEIRD iptables |
| 15:48.00 | lezsakdomi | jelly: Yes. |
| 15:48.04 | eb0t | doesnt matter what distro it is ...its a routing problem |
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| 15:48.10 | eb0t | or a firewall problem |
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| 15:48.51 | eb0t | eg iptables may not allow icmp type 8 out of the interface |
| 15:48.52 | lezsakdomi | eb0t & jelly: And iptables could cause such reaction? :o |
| 15:49.09 | jelly | eb0t: this channel caters to debian users, not generic linux users with weird setups |
| 15:49.48 | jelly | lezsakdomi: they might do anything, #netfilter would know |
| 15:50.16 | lezsakdomi | jelly: Thanks! |
| 15:50.28 | eb0t | iptables can be configured by the users to drop or allow or reject whatever you like |
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| 15:51.23 | lezsakdomi | This is why I asked for the meaning of "sendto: Network unreachable" first :) |
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| 15:52.03 | eb0t | iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j DROP |
| 15:52.23 | eb0t | that rule would stop the user issuing a ping request out of the interface |
| 15:52.23 | JustASlacker | the thing is, the problem is with the device 192.168.43.1 |
| 15:52.41 | JustASlacker | it's your default for wlan and does not forward your icmp's to 8.8.8.8 |
| 15:52.48 | JustASlacker | you have to check there, why that is |
| 15:53.08 | eb0t | try iptables -S |
| 15:53.29 | eb0t | in fact not worth it as you cant get onto the device |
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| 15:53.58 | eb0t | just for curiosity lezsakdomi ..why have you got so many network interface cards and wifi |
| 15:53.59 | jelly | eb0t, lezsakdomi, JustASlacker: move this to a more appropriate channel, please |
| 15:54.15 | JustASlacker | I wondered about that too |
| 15:54.40 | JustASlacker | I see three wlan devices |
| 15:54.44 | JustASlacker | whats up with that |
| 15:55.30 | eb0t | maybe its a router of some sort |
| 15:57.05 | jelly | goofy_: given -R, your permissions are indeed messed up to the point a restore from backup or reinstall are simplest things to do |
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| 15:57.47 | eb0t | ip route get 8.8.8.8 then we can narrow down the interface being used |
| 15:58.30 | lezsakdomi | Yes. My setup is for these three interfaces, to make an "emergency internet source" working. I'm sharing wifi using my phone. Whis setup worked a year ago, but now I have something misconfigured, and doesn't work. |
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| 15:59.07 | JustASlacker | what is 192.168.43.1 ? |
| 15:59.27 | eb0t | type ip route get 8.8.8.8 and show the output |
| 15:59.34 | jelly | eb0t, JustASlacker: last warning, do continue helping them in #netfilter or ##networking or ##Linux or an OpenWRT channel, not here |
| 15:59.58 | eb0t | go to networking lezsakdomi |
| 16:00.03 | lezsakdomi | Ok |
| 16:00.17 | goofy_ | jelly, it was the dumbest thing in my life |
| 16:00.33 | goofy_ | when i realized what i did, i was screaming |
| 16:01.13 | jelly | dumb mistakes happen, best thing to do is learn from them and a) change behaviour b) make backups |
| 16:01.54 | goofy_ | another dumb thing it was about backup |
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| 16:02.03 | goofy_ | i used to do backup on pendrive |
| 16:02.08 | goofy_ | and my pendrive broken |
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| 16:03.40 | JustASlacker | there is this old saying: no backup, no pity |
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| 16:04.15 | JustASlacker | you could try to reinstall all packages |
| 16:04.34 | JustASlacker | the should fix most of the permissions |
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| 16:04.43 | jelly | it's not worth the trouble and won't fix data |
| 16:05.04 | JustASlacker | nods |
| 16:05.11 | JustASlacker | probably best to redo from scratch |
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| 17:43.44 | john_rambo | Hi, facing problem runninmg apt-get update >>> https://paste2.org/mC2kFCVc |
| 17:43.46 | john_rambo | https://paste2.org/J7442FDM |
| 17:45.38 | jelly | ouch. |
| 17:45.43 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 17:45.43 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:46.07 | jelly | john_rambo: you probably want to ask there, your repos do not point to debian ^ |
| 17:46.27 | john_rambo | jelly, Okay |
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| 17:47.31 | jelly | I honestly do not remember ever seeing leftover files under /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ let alone corrupted leftover files there |
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| 17:48.56 | Iridos | there's a first for everything |
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| 17:58.41 | goofy_ | friends |
| 17:58.50 | goofy_ | i need to ask you a weird thing |
| 17:59.09 | goofy_ | i did useradd new user |
| 17:59.10 | Iridos | yes, it's really a stork bringing the babies |
| 17:59.36 | goofy_ | but i can't sudo su while i'm logged from that user |
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| 17:59.46 | goofy_ | i need to switch to the old user and then sudo su |
| 17:59.49 | goofy_ | what's wrong? |
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| 18:01.16 | Iridos | well, the only thing wrong is, that "sudo su" doesn't really make much sense. Either use sudo <command> or use su, but not both |
| 18:01.22 | n4dir | the first thing which is wrong is that you don't use su :-) |
| 18:01.53 | n4dir | else you will probably compare the groups each user is part of, i would guess the group is called sudoers (or such) |
| 18:01.54 | Iridos | only some specific users probably defined in /etc/sudoers get certain additional rights with sudo |
| 18:02.05 | goofy_ | Iridos, in my case, "root" user does not exist |
| 18:02.09 | goofy_ | i can't do "su" |
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| 18:02.15 | goofy_ | i need sudo su |
| 18:02.28 | n4dir | then do "passwd", create a password, and boom |
| 18:02.58 | Iridos | there is always a root user |
| 18:03.06 | FinalX | nobody really needs sudo su, sudo -s or sudo -i works fine |
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| 18:03.12 | jelly | goofy_: use just "su" or "su -" and root's password |
| 18:03.13 | Iridos | you may not have a password set for the root user, but the user always exists |
| 18:03.37 | Iridos | "root" is even hardcoded in some programs as a name and there is of course always an uid 0 |
| 18:03.43 | jelly | goofy_: or use "sudo -i" with a user that is a member of the sudo group |
| 18:03.59 | jelly | sudo su is silly |
| 18:04.15 | goofy_ | ok |
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| 18:04.29 | goofy_ | so, i'll add a password for root user |
| 18:04.38 | goofy_ | thank you |
| 18:04.45 | jelly | you will need to be the root user for that :-) |
| 18:04.54 | goofy_ | ok |
| 18:04.56 | Iridos | jelly, you could have gone that extra step to "sudo su seems so seriously silly" |
| 18:05.04 | jelly | shoosh |
| 18:05.08 | goofy_ | but why "sudo" exists? |
| 18:05.12 | goofy_ | is there some advantage? |
| 18:05.21 | goofy_ | why not to use directly root user? |
| 18:05.30 | Iridos | you installed it⦠well, probably chose to have it installed during the initial system install |
| 18:05.34 | jelly | !sudo |
| 18:05.34 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 18:06.17 | mrm | Incidentally, *why* isn't sudo enabled by default? |
| 18:06.27 | jelly | why would it be? |
| 18:06.28 | Iridos | because not everyone wants it |
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| 18:07.13 | jelly | goofy_, mrm: sudo is designed to allow for fine-grained permission setting, allowing specific users or groups to run commands as other specific users (including root) |
| 18:07.31 | Iridos | there is some choice during the initial install, though⦠you then end up with a root user that cannot be accessed by password and sudo installed |
| 18:08.15 | jelly | using it as a catch-all command to run any command as root, like Ubuntu chose to configure it, is really a crude underuse of its capabilities |
| 18:08.25 | FinalX | mrm: yeah because doing it like ubuntu's lxc image is excellent! instant remote root exploitability :) we had a user that created an ubuntu lxc container and it came with user ubuntu, no password and full sudo ALL NOPASSWD privs by default, within minutes the system had irc bots running on it from an unknown source |
| 18:08.33 | FinalX | (they changed it now..) |
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| 18:14.06 | jelly | for some reason, deiban installer allows not setting a root password during installation, and that results in sudo being installed and the first user being added to sudo group (giving them access to run any command as root via sudo) |
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| 18:19.22 | jmcnaught | it only does that in expert mode |
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| 18:19.44 | n4dir | jelly: though i think that is rather new ( a couple of years). Or i simply didn't recognize it in the past |
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| 18:23.36 | evilbug | i'm having trouble compiling vim with lua on stretch, anyone got insight on what lua packages i need for that? |
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| 18:25.57 | jmcnaught | evilbug: the vim-nox and vim-gtk packages are compiled with lua (and other languages) |
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| 18:28.22 | password2 | wait does vim have lua normally? |
| 18:29.01 | vizzy_zzz | hi, i just downloaded a livecd image and bootstarpped a new vm. now that i have played around enough in the vm, i want to setup my new server. i planned to use a live usb stick to format another usb stick and copy over the live system to my new usb stick as a rescue system |
| 18:29.19 | vizzy_zzz | because i need to tweak some things, like add zfs support to the live image |
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| 18:29.56 | vizzy_zzz | so my question is: is there a 'single command' that prepares a harddrive (in my case the 2nd usb stick) with a live system to boot from? |
| 18:30.09 | evilbug | jmcnaught: compiling from source |
| 18:30.49 | jmcnaught | evilbug: because you need lua support, or because you need somethign else and also want to make sure lua is supported? If you just need vim with lua, install the correct package |
| 18:30.57 | vizzy_zzz | i cannot use the installer to install a debian on my 2nd usb stick, because i want it to have a zfs root too |
| 18:31.32 | vizzy_zzz | or is it just prepare stick2 for zfs and uefi boot, then copy over the whole live system on stick 1 |
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| 18:34.15 | teraflops | vizzy_zzz: use deboostrap. setup your stuff there and install grub into the usb? |
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| 18:34.45 | vizzy_zzz | teraflops, yes, so far i got already |
| 18:35.14 | vizzy_zzz | but now i have booted a live usb stick (stick1) and temporary installed zfs support etc (will be lost at reboot) |
| 18:35.27 | vizzy_zzz | how do i get the whole stuff to my usb stick 2? |
| 18:35.46 | vizzy_zzz | is there a command like 'install-live-system-to-harddisk' ? |
| 18:35.54 | teraflops | dd? cp -a? rsync? |
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| 18:36.19 | vizzy_zzz | ah ok, thats what i mean by 'just copy over the live system to stick2" |
| 18:36.35 | teraflops | then setup bootloader |
| 18:36.40 | vizzy_zzz | yepp |
| 18:36.59 | teraflops | I think you'll be god to go |
| 18:37.05 | teraflops | good |
| 18:37.14 | vizzy_zzz | bootstrapping takes a lot of time to manually install all the packages again and again |
| 18:37.36 | teraflops | you can dd partitions too |
| 18:37.42 | vizzy_zzz | i do that with the server already, the stick2 will be inside the server as a fallback rescue system |
| 18:37.56 | vizzy_zzz | i'm careful with dd |
| 18:38.18 | vizzy_zzz | or have the disk geometry issues gone? |
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| 18:38.36 | jonathan_x | Is it common that a grep -r from / directory crashes a system? Run by unpriviled user. |
| 18:38.39 | teraflops | if you confuse if with of you're fucked indeed |
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| 18:39.04 | teraflops | jonathan_x: define crashed |
| 18:39.23 | vizzy_zzz | jonathan_x, crashes? or just takes a lot of time or 'never ends' |
| 18:39.23 | jonathan_x | teraflops: ssh session stops responding and remote VPS console stops responding. |
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| 18:39.43 | jonathan_x | apache also stops responding. |
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| 18:40.00 | vizzy_zzz | jonathan_n, seems your disk lights are flickering a lot now |
| 18:40.04 | jonathan_x | happens twice now with a reboot in between. |
| 18:40.10 | teraflops | jonathan_x: maybe the vps ran out of ram? |
| 18:40.39 | teraflops | high io, cpu or similar |
| 18:40.52 | jonathan_x | that's extremely unlikely, it has 2GB of swap which is barely uses. |
| 18:41.05 | jonathan_x | I suspect it happens because of accessing a /sys file |
| 18:41.15 | teraflops | ram is better than swap |
| 18:41.23 | jonathan_x | It doesn't immediately crash |
| 18:41.30 | jonathan_x | It takes a little while and then freezes instantly. |
| 18:41.43 | jonathan_x | And completely. |
| 18:41.50 | vizzy_zzz | you can watch vmstat and top or so, while its crashing |
| 18:41.53 | jonathan_x | As if a single file access caused it. |
| 18:41.56 | vizzy_zzz | and read the kernel logs |
| 18:42.15 | teraflops | jonathan_x: does your vps have a serial terminal? |
| 18:42.37 | jonathan_x | No I would have to ensure persistent systemd logs and then check on reboot. |
| 18:42.43 | jonathan_x | yes that is the console. |
| 18:42.49 | jonathan_x | That also is frozen right now. |
| 18:43.17 | jonathan_x | Oh wait it said something. |
| 18:43.20 | vizzy_zzz | i wonder what happens if grep hits /proc/kcore or so |
| 18:43.27 | vizzy_zzz | or a device |
| 18:43.45 | jonathan_x | I get the typical 120 seconds blocked message for lots of processes. |
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| 18:44.39 | jonathan_x | It actually gives a huge amount of io errors from /sys even when run as root. |
| 18:45.01 | jonathan_x | but I squelched those this time. |
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| 18:45.47 | jonathan_x | It allows me to type, but I can't log in :p. |
| 18:46.03 | jonathan_x | So better not try that again... :(. |
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| 18:46.32 | jonathan_x | The VPS ssd would have no issues with the search itself... |
| 18:47.36 | vizzy_zzz | is it a vm? |
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| 18:47.52 | jonathan_x | yes |
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| 18:52.49 | jonathan_x | using --exclude-dir="sys" and still crashes. |
| 18:53.09 | vizzy_zzz | exclude /proc and /dev too |
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| 18:55.18 | kale | hi, i am using an onboard intel graphics device. when i play a 3D game my cpu goes to 100% is there any way i can optimize so i get better 3D performance? |
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| 18:55.29 | A|an | Before I find out by experimentation...can debian read an android formatted miniSD card? |
| 18:55.50 | kale | A|an: last i checked android formatted as ext4 |
| 18:56.03 | A|an | ah! fantastic |
| 18:56.06 | A|an | thanks |
| 18:56.35 | FinalX | the other way around works too, can use ext4 devices perfectly well on android |
| 18:56.42 | FinalX | (for that reason) |
| 18:56.52 | FinalX | just stick a ext4-formatted usb-disk in the otg port and ready to go :) |
| 18:56.55 | jonathan_x | kale: cpu usage is not always indicative of bad 3d performance. |
| 18:57.17 | jonathan_x | kale: it can be indicative of good 3d performance |
| 18:57.22 | jonathan_x | kale: but it can also be a linux bug |
| 18:57.31 | kale | jonathan_x: that is true, but i would expect the graphics hardware to be the bottle neck |
| 18:57.47 | jonathan_x | proc and sys excluded still crashes but I am doing 2 greps at the same time :p. |
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| 18:59.15 | vizzy_zzz | jonathan_n use grep -v and see where it crashes |
| 18:59.20 | vizzy_zzz | at what file |
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| 19:01.13 | jonathan_x | ok |
| 19:01.25 | jonathan_x | proc sys and dev excluded still crashes, if at least grep takes multiple params |
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| 19:01.53 | jonathan_x | If I had to do this on a hardware machine I'd be f.....ed |
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| 19:07.17 | jonathan_x | erm, grep -v does the reverse query |
| 19:07.21 | jonathan_x | That was a bad idea. |
| 19:07.24 | jonathan_x | I wondered what was wrong. |
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| 19:13.55 | jonathan_x | I know it's a lot of IO. But now doing it with find and it didn't crash on /sys |
| 19:14.09 | jonathan_x | But because of the ssh link which is now the bottleneck maybe it just locked up because of IO |
| 19:14.23 | jonathan_x | Which is bad enough in itself, any user can crash the system. |
| 19:14.32 | jonathan_x | It's effectively a denial of service attack. |
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| 19:15.17 | jonathan_x | But I'm gonna quit doing this... |
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| 19:19.04 | petemc | jonathan_x: can you try it with LC_ALL=C grep.. |
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| 19:24.57 | jonathan_x | petemc: No I'm done. |
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| 19:32.12 | troulouliou_dev | i i have an old htpc running on debian 8 with an nvidia gt218 ION (1) card |
| 19:32.24 | troulouliou_dev | is the driver in deban 9 compatible with this card ? |
| 19:32.36 | troulouliou_dev | iirc nvidia dropped support in latest versions |
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| 19:35.53 | teraflops | you dont like nouveau? |
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| 19:36.10 | SuperTramp83 | ^ |
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| 19:46.39 | ZSky | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.41 | ZSky | doesn't work |
| 19:46.45 | ZSky | doesn't grep accept regex? |
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| 19:52.27 | jonathan_x | This is unbelievable, I purge a package so I can reinstall it and it will install its config file again, and it deleted the .bak file I just created. |
| 19:52.52 | jonathan_x | Apparently using a wildcard to delete something... |
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| 19:56.20 | jonathan_x | It really neve takes long before the system does something evil again... |
| 19:56.47 | Rebitterate | As in? |
| 19:57.04 | alnet | install windows 10? |
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| 19:57.34 | neeb | How do I view a running java program using the terminal? I want it to show the output I see when I run "java -jar file.jar", but without rerunning the app |
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| 19:58.09 | jonathan_x | You cannot. |
| 19:58.16 | alnet | pgrep |
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| 19:59.13 | jonathan_x | As in making a backup, then purging the package, and then the purge removes the backup. |
| 19:59.30 | jonathan_x | Because I happened to name it .conf.bak |
| 19:59.33 | alnet | --dry-run |
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| 20:00.12 | jonathan_x | Well we don't have time to walk on eggshells all of the time but I'll take it into acount ;-). |
| 20:00.37 | Rebitterate | Computer systems are eggshells all over ;) |
| 20:00.55 | ahmed751995 | excuse me , when i open a file in mc i can't open another file till i close the first one , i searched on google and i found that the problem because of xdg-open so any one have a solution ? |
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| 20:00.56 | cpn_zoom | or configure apt to take a btrfs snapshot before installing or removing anything. |
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| 20:04.16 | jonathan_x | There is no verbose option for --dry-run so that didn't make sense. |
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| 20:04.35 | jonathan_x | (I wish people wouldn't recommend stuff they don't know if it works...) |
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| 20:06.04 | teraflops | jonathan_x: I've reading you for some days and you do crazy stuff like mixing releases and whatnot. so I dont think your talking seriously, all I see there is pebcak |
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| 20:07.06 | teraflops | an incredibly amount of pebcaks and them you're blaming anything but you |
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| 20:07.43 | teraflops | no offense intended it's just I'm starting to get bored with your conversation |
| 20:07.50 | jonathan_x | what the hell is pebcak |
| 20:08.10 | Ormu1 | hello |
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| 20:08.22 | Ormu1 | apt-get displayed this during an upgrade: https://bpaste.net/show/bbf18c701704 |
| 20:08.31 | Ormu1 | I assume this is normal, or is it? |
| 20:08.49 | jonathan_x | I would say upgrading to stretch in one go is a lot crazier by the way |
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| 20:09.19 | jonathan_x | losing php 5, having to install several packages directly from upstream because they are no longer in Debian, etc. |
| 20:09.23 | eschmidbauer | is there a way to force 777 when writing to an NFS mount? |
| 20:09.32 | jonathan_x | So I don't see what's crazy about upgrading selectively instead of in one go. |
| 20:09.47 | jonathan_x | If you do it in one go half your system might be inoperational for weeks. |
| 20:09.54 | jonathan_x | I call that crazy. |
| 20:10.53 | jonathan_x | eschmidbauer: No it is done by the writing application not the server, so you have to use regular umode |
| 20:11.12 | teraflops | eschmidbauer: chown upper dir to 777? |
| 20:11.44 | teraflops | -R obv |
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| 20:15.21 | Maid-Chan | is there a good gui for mounting cd images? |
| 20:15.42 | nvz | neeb: /proc/<pid>/fd/1 is stdout and 2 is stderror |
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| 20:16.55 | teraflops | Maid-Chan: for seeing its content? |
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| 20:17.15 | teraflops | what about a file browser? |
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| 20:17.41 | Maid-Chan | for using it as if it were a physical cd |
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| 20:18.12 | nvz | Maid-Chan: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/cd.iso /path/to/mount/point |
| 20:18.18 | nvz | xterm is a great gui for that |
| 20:18.20 | nvz | :P |
| 20:18.24 | teraflops | mount -o loop it |
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| 20:19.26 | Maid-Chan | i have people who cant apparently wrap their heads around CLI. |
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| 20:20.00 | nvz | Maid-Chan: it would be REAL easy to script using zenity, yad, or such |
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| 20:20.21 | nvz | for $100 I'll sell em one :P |
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| 20:21.17 | jasabella | hi :) |
| 20:21.58 | nvz | jasabella: greetings fellow traveller, what can we do you for? hopefully no more than the $100 I make for a one-line script :P |
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| 20:22.12 | Maid-Chan | so i got an error that the mountpoint doesn't exist... |
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| 20:22.34 | nvz | Maid-Chan: mkdir -p /path/to/mountpoint |
| 20:22.36 | jasabella | i'm running a headless server, what's the minimum set of packages i need to have x11 forwarding over ssh? |
| 20:23.15 | jasabella | xdummy xvfb |
| 20:23.16 | jasabella | hmmm |
| 20:23.22 | nvz | jasabella: the ssh server package. |
| 20:23.37 | teraflops | Maid-Chan: well gnome-shell has a context menu option called something like: open with disk image mounter |
| 20:23.49 | teraflops | at least 3.26 |
| 20:23.52 | jasabella | i dont have any x11 packages installed |
| 20:24.25 | nvz | jasabella: you don't need any to forward and run x clients on another machine.. or do you mean what do you need on the client side? |
| 20:24.54 | jasabella | hmmm |
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| 20:25.50 | neeb | nvz: how do I output /proc/<pid>/fd/1? Sorry I'm a noob |
| 20:26.26 | nvz | neeb: well you can use cat to dump the whole thing, less or more to view it page by page, tail to see a given amount of lines at the end, a text editor.. etc |
| 20:26.54 | nvz | neeb: less -S +F /file to view it in real time |
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| 20:27.20 | nvz | neeb: <pid> needs to be replaced with the process id of the app you want to view |
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| 20:27.46 | neeb | Yes, I have the process id, replaced it |
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| 20:28.16 | nvz | neeb: the less -S +F is probably what you want as it keeps the file open showing new lines written to it |
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| 20:30.07 | nvz | neeb: also worth noting is strace which is an optional package you may need to install, strace can be attached to a PID and used to intercept and view/log all the signals and calls between the app and the kernel. Very useful for debugging |
| 20:30.40 | neeb | nvz: less -S -F /proc/<pid>/fd/1? |
| 20:30.46 | cpn_zoom | jasabella: if you install the x programs you want to run on the server it will install its dependencies automatically. |
| 20:30.50 | nvz | neeb: +F |
| 20:31.10 | jasabella | cpn_zoom... yeah, i just dont want -everything- |
| 20:31.15 | neeb | +F, sorry, yes. It says that /proc/<pid>/fd/1 is not a regular file (use -f to see it) |
| 20:31.16 | nvz | neeb: you may be used to using - but some apps use - to turn something off and + to turn it on |
| 20:31.49 | teraflops | jasabella: sorry but if you install lets say firefox, you have to install firefox and its deps |
| 20:31.50 | cpn_zoom | jasabella: you do need all the dependencies for each program you want to run. |
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| 20:32.20 | cpn_zoom | but that doesn't include all the x11 server stuff, just the client libraries. |
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| 20:32.35 | cpn_zoom | and gui toolkit libraries and whatever else the program uses. |
| 20:32.39 | nvz | neeb: ah right well the file is probably already a socket, so try adding -f |
| 20:32.48 | teraflops | xorg is nothing compared to many programs btw |
| 20:32.52 | cpn_zoom | true. |
| 20:33.16 | teraflops | I dont see why people is that picky about installing stuff |
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| 20:34.24 | nvz | !be installing stuff barbie |
| 20:34.24 | dpkg | But installing stuff is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 20:34.54 | neeb | nvz: Thank you! That worked. I am still learning, thanks for helping |
| 20:35.13 | mmp | Hello; I have a weird problem with recent debian unstable; I have /etc/fstab entry for my external USB hard drive, but although /dev/sdb (the usb disk) gets recognized, the partitions on it are not. |
| 20:35.42 | jasabella | like i dont need xserver-xorg-video-cirrus |
| 20:35.43 | mmp | if I manually run something that forces partition re-read, everything starts to work, otherwise the system hangs waiting for /dev/sdb1 to become available |
| 20:36.01 | nvz | neeb: not a problem linux generally takes the approach of making everything a file, so learning the filesystem and the tools to manipulate files is key. See the FHS for an explaination of the filesystem and you want to learn where different types of files are kept and about special files in /proc /sys and /dev especially |
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| 20:36.17 | cpn_zoom | jasabella: does the program you want to install have that listed as a dependency? |
| 20:36.40 | jasabella | xserver-xorg pulls it in? |
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| 20:36.51 | mmp | oops, debian testing |
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| 20:37.05 | nvz | neeb: read up on the basic file utils via their manpages, cp, mv, chmod, chown, ls, cd, cat, grep, less, sed, cut, tr, nano or vi, etc are key to learn |
| 20:37.15 | cpn_zoom | but you shouldn't need xserver-xorg on a headless server? |
| 20:38.38 | nvz | cpn_zoom: you don't need anything but what the app depends on. for example you could install the tiger vnc server or ssh and run the apps remotely without an X server at all, you just need the libs and other deps of the app |
| 20:38.43 | teraflops | jasabella: you just need xorg or something that provides it |
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| 20:39.02 | teraflops | a dummy whatever package like the one you posted above |
| 20:39.09 | jasabella | teraflops... that's what i'm aiming for |
| 20:39.12 | neeb | nvz: Thanks! |
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| 20:39.31 | teraflops | anyway xorg is nothing regarding size |
| 20:39.45 | teraflops | but whatever float yout goat |
| 20:39.49 | teraflops | your^ |
| 20:40.10 | teraflops | sorry for the typos |
| 20:40.21 | Ormu1 | apt-get displayed this during an upgrade: https://bpaste.net/show/bbf18c701704 |
| 20:40.28 | Ormu1 | I assume this is normal, or is it? :o |
| 20:41.09 | nvz | neeb: no problem I think this is the first thing new users should grasp at least vaguely because it makes one understand programming and administering linux is much easier than say windows, there is no big mystery, everything is just a file, you can read directly from /dev/input/mice to see your mouse movements and write directly to /dev/fb0 to your framebuffer just like normal files, you dont need to know any |
| 20:41.15 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.42 | nvz | neeb: I forgot to mention echo, which is also useful for writing to files. Like applying settings by echoing them to files in /sys/ for example |
| 20:42.59 | jasabella | nvz... thaks for remindng me, i need to log back in and get that strace log to some guys at work haha |
| 20:43.45 | nvz | neeb: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp for example redirects uniform random data from the kernel to the default OSS sound device for example, the effect of which is white noise from the speakers.. a simple sound test. Most anything that is complicated on other systems is pretty easy on linux because everything is a file |
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| 20:45.37 | neeb | nvz: Okay, I memod everything you said! Thanks! I'll look more into those |
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| 20:46.22 | nvz | I should write a beginners guide to the linux filesystem with some examples and basic bash scripting and link to greycat's wiki. I firmly believe learning the filesystem is the key to becomming a linux power user and its really simple to grasp |
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| 20:47.57 | cpn_zoom | nvz: does a standard debian install even have /dev/dsp? isn't that a oss thing? |
| 20:48.07 | neeb | nvz: any guide you would recommend? |
| 20:48.41 | jonathan_x | jasabella: Will not every GUI application automatically cause the relevant xorg files to be installed? |
| 20:48.50 | nvz | cpn_zoom: you can load oss compat drivers, I just found that example simpler as alsa devices are slightly more complicated |
| 20:49.04 | jonathan_x | jasabella: I mean you want forwarding for a reason and that reason might have dependencies for xorg |
| 20:49.13 | nvz | neeb: not offhand but as I said I think I should write one |
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| 21:00.09 | jonfatino | hello debian 8 livecd does anyone know how to give ip config more than 15 seconds to respond |
| 21:00.18 | jonfatino | is there some kernel paramater to make that 30 seconds? |
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| 21:01.58 | lokus | hi.. i'm finding that i don't have certain sysfs battery files on my debian machine? like /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now for example. any idea? |
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| 21:02.23 | lokus | deb 8.9 kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 21:07.39 | teraflops | jonfatino: if youre not getting an ip in 15 seconds you have bigger problems |
| 21:07.56 | teraflops | set up a fixed one instead |
| 21:08.04 | JohnA | I am setting up a new debian server, i am partitioning the disks - is it still considered a"good" idea to have seperate partitions for root, home, var, srv and tmp. |
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| 21:09.41 | ee | Hello everyone. Is there any package to install if I want to burn an ISO file to USB? |
| 21:10.22 | turbo64 | ee: you don't need to install anything |
| 21:10.22 | Brigo | lokus, why do you think you should have them? |
| 21:10.22 | teraflops | separated partition for /tmp? even var may end being a problem and /home at a server could be useless dependeing on your needs |
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| 21:10.33 | ChmEarl | ee nothing. Its only `cp -a` |
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| 21:10.44 | turbo64 | use dd if=filename.iso of=sdX bs=4M |
| 21:11.01 | ee | turbo64: I'm going to burn windows to USB, and it doesn't seem to work with dd nor cp |
| 21:11.23 | lokus | Brigo: i see references to them when googling, looks like they should be standard sysfs files provided by the kernel. i have a script for my tmux that uses that file to display battery charge level |
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| 21:11.56 | format_c | JohnA, on a Server the only thing that I could think of being useful is the directory root where the main application is located |
| 21:11.56 | Brigo | lokus, maybe kernel too old, or battery not supported well enough. |
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| 21:12.05 | turbo64 | ee: theres a program called winusb that works with windows isos |
| 21:12.13 | format_c | So that with a reinstallation of the server, the application parts doesn't need to be touched. |
| 21:12.29 | format_c | On a desktop system, I have a different opinion. |
| 21:12.57 | jonfatino | is there any way to make livecd force retry of dhcp? |
| 21:13.05 | jonfatino | instead of failing and dropping to initramfs |
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| 21:13.19 | itpoc | Hi everyone. According to https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nagios3, nagios3 is not available in stretch. Is that really the case, or am I misunderstanding something? |
| 21:13.31 | turbo64 | ee: failing that, you can do it manually this way: https://thornelabs.net/2013/06/10/create-a-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive-in-linux.html |
| 21:13.33 | teraflops | JohnA: lvm or btrfs + subvolumes look saner to me |
| 21:14.07 | turbo64 | you have to partition the drive, give it an ntfs partition, write the mbr with ms-sys, nad copy all the iso files over |
| 21:14.08 | Brigo | jonfatino, it will retry in some time |
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| 21:16.35 | ee | turbo64: I'll try Unetbootin |
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| 21:17.16 | jonfatino | Brigo: Negative http://192.252.215.109/mstsc_2017-10-03_17-15-14.png |
| 21:17.16 | jonfatino | http://192.252.215.109/mstsc_2017-10-03_17-15-14.png |
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| 21:17.33 | JohnA | teraflops, sep /tmp permission can be set to disallow thhng like exec, if something bad runs the space consumed can be limited ... |
| 21:17.44 | jonfatino | It appears debian 8 livecd on this server takes a while for eth0 to come online |
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| 21:19.25 | JohnA | using bust lvm does not seem to be available |
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| 21:19.58 | Brigo | jonfatino, if you are in the initramfs, tell us, you are not using a standar dhcp client. |
| 21:20.38 | teraflops | JohnA: I dont think /tmp in separated partition is a good idea unless you explain your reasons |
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| 21:21.48 | jonfatino | Brigo: its livecd it boots kernal + initramfs and then starts dhcp gets ip and then wgets filesystem.squashfs |
| 21:22.04 | format_c | teraflops, I have a separate /tmp partition. Reason: FS=ext2 I don't need any data integrity on that FS. Just speed. |
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| 21:22.18 | JohnA | teraflops, as said permission can be set that limit activity, noexec ... |
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| 21:22.40 | JohnA | format_c, good point |
| 21:23.21 | Brigo | jonfatino, i have never used the live, i think you are right. I would try to use a fixed ip as you were told. |
| 21:23.22 | dario_ | hi everybody |
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| 21:23.44 | itpoc | Okay, it looks like icinga has replaced nagios. Sometimes all you need is to ask the question before the answer becomes apparent. |
| 21:23.54 | format_c | Moreover it makes sense to have separate partitions when you have mixed type hard disk drives. |
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| 21:24.01 | JohnA | I am assmming var is local data, /svr is served data |
| 21:24.32 | format_c | E.g. 1TB traditional drive, <1TB SSD drive. |
| 21:24.36 | teraflops | JohnA: you do not need a partition for ding so |
| 21:24.41 | teraflops | doing^ |
| 21:24.55 | JohnA | dds are 5 3tb raid 10 4 active + 1 spare |
| 21:25.04 | itpoc | JohnA: The purpose of various directories is documented in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard v2.3, which is available online. |
| 21:25.34 | jonathan_x | I think I've literally saved all the config of my server and all the rest was already automatically regenerated :p. |
| 21:26.02 | format_c | I'd put the permanent data onto the traditionaly disk using a well journaled FS like e.g.ext4. the operating system I'd put to the SSD using a differnt SSD friendly file system like btrfs. |
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| 21:26.15 | dario_ | I need some help about a hdd, it died day ago; I removed it form notebook and put into a USB3 case, if I plug it the systme recognized it but no partitions are mounted; I had a lot of data on it, I recovered all by dumping a entire partition with ddrescue (690 GB) and the mounting the img in loop; now I want to try recovering all disk, may be there is somethingf to do about? |
| 21:26.26 | format_c | I already burned a SSD using ext4 on it. |
| 21:27.04 | JohnA | itpoc, I understand that, but what is good practice in divying up the physical space to provide the "best" + "safest" config |
| 21:27.10 | format_c | and then /tmp to the traditional disk using a loose journaled FS like ext2 |
| 21:27.14 | teraflops | jonathan_x: btw if you create a custom fie inside a directory owned by a package and you delete the package, the dir wont be deleted and the custom file wont be erased |
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| 21:27.45 | jonathan_x | teraflops: problem was the scripts apparently automatically delete .bak files in case the package made that. |
| 21:27.49 | teraflops | tmp is tmpfs this days |
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| 21:28.04 | jonathan_x | teraflops: I happened to make exactly that as a backup ;-). |
| 21:28.27 | teraflops | jonathan_x: idk, looked at uninstall script from the package? |
| 21:28.47 | jonathan_x | no time for that, maybe apt does that itself. |
| 21:29.02 | teraflops | then yore just guessing |
| 21:29.06 | teraflops | youre^ |
| 21:29.19 | format_c | teraflops, really. Even if you do the guided "use the whole disk" wizard during installation? Wouldn't this even require a separate /tmp partition? |
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| 21:30.32 | cpn_zoom | with iptables, can i log the cgroup path or id of the process that is trying to send a packet? there is a cgroup module that can match the id or path, so the information is clearly available to iptables. |
| 21:31.05 | teraflops | format_c: type "mount" |
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| 21:31.11 | cpn_zoom | (kernel 4.9.30-2+deb9u5) |
| 21:31.20 | format_c | On my system /run and some other directories are mounted as tmpfs. But not /tmp. Of course maybe because I use a dedicated partition. |
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| 21:31.53 | teraflops | fair enough |
| 21:32.15 | teraflops | by default is uses tmpfs and not dedi partition |
| 21:32.47 | format_c | so when I next time reinstall my computer, I just leave out the /tmp partion (include it in /) and it will be a ramdisk? |
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| 21:32.51 | format_c | automatically? |
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| 21:38.01 | format_c | teraflops, ? |
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| 21:38.45 | teraflops | I told you so 3 times |
| 21:42.14 | format_c | Thanks. Just wanted to get it right. Again learned something. Thanks. |
| 21:46.09 | jonathan_x | teraflops: I don't have this addiction that I need to solve every puzzle that comes my way. |
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| 21:51.31 | gunix | cani somehow get involved to package lxd for debian? it's really an awesome container software |
| 21:51.42 | ee | So anyone got a nice guide on how to install Windows + debian on same harddrive? |
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| 21:54.35 | format_c | ee, first install debian. Manually partition (leave space for the Windows installation). Then install Windows using the free space. Then start Debian (live) and reinstall grub into your hard disk. |
| 21:56.06 | ee | format_c: oh okey, sounds simple & legit |
| 21:56.57 | format_c | Before doing that, note down the commands to reinstall grub into the MBR, since you may have not a web browser to google for it at this stage. |
| 21:57.51 | format_c | The issue is that Windows overrides the MBR w/o asking. |
| 21:58.19 | ee | format_c: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall this? |
| 21:58.28 | format_c | while not providing a appropriate boot manager detecting Linux installation |
| 21:58.28 | ee | format_c: ok |
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| 21:59.08 | format_c | you have a UEFI BIOS? |
| 21:59.50 | ee | format_c: yes |
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| 22:00.56 | format_c | Looks reasonable. The same can be done by establishing a chroot environment and run grub-install /dev/sdX && update-grub |
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| 22:01.43 | binsey | hey all, I am running clamd and spamd (spamassassin). spamassassin wants to run as root, clamd wants to run as clamav |
| 22:01.59 | format_c | This way it's made sure, that the grub binaries are used that are also installed on the system. |
| 22:02.18 | format_c | I'm a fan of the manual procedure. |
| 22:02.27 | ee | format_c: Ok so I'll just follow that guide from the cellphone once I'm powered down |
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| 22:02.37 | vizzy_zzz | what i am doing wrong? i have a usb stick containing stretch netinstall. and another usb stick wher i want to install a minimum debian stretch. i boot from stick 1, partiotion stick 2 for 256 /boot and rest for /, install minimum system + grub ... everything wents fine, until reboot |
| 22:02.49 | binsey | I get this error in /var/log/mail.log: "Oct 3 22:42:45 delilah spamd[2382]: pyzor: check failed: internal error, python traceback seen in response" |
| 22:02.55 | vizzy_zzz | if i boot frmo stick 2, it says grub rescue mode |
| 22:03.13 | binsey | might this be because of the different users? or is it something else? |
| 22:03.17 | vizzy_zzz | (i tried mbr install with and without efi, and i removed stick 1) |
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| 22:03.55 | Brigo | vizzy_zzz, did you installed the grub of the stick 2 from stick 2? |
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| 22:04.39 | vizzy_zzz | Brigo ? i booted and installed from stick 1 (netinstall) to stick 2 |
| 22:04.50 | vizzy_zzz | i installed grub from the installer |
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| 22:05.19 | Brigo | vizzy_zzz, i saw that, but is not working and is tricky. Your best bet now is install grub from the stick 2 |
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| 22:05.59 | vizzy_zzz | brigo, yes, i would do, but it falls in rescue mode, i feel lost in grub |
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| 22:07.58 | Brigo | vizzy_zzz, boot from the installer and get into the advanced mode, from there use the stick 2 root partitons as root and boot with that. |
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| 22:08.34 | vizzy_zzz | Brigo, ok, let me try, i will try to fix from rescue mode too |
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| 22:10.57 | Brigo | vizzy_zzz, from rescue mode you can edit the grub configuration and see if the root partiton, kernel and initramfs path are right. |
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| 22:17.43 | madlord | !testing |
| 22:17.43 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 22:28.26 | netvor | hi folks, i have a n00b question: |
| 22:28.57 | netvor | elf32 does run on amd64 linux by default, right? |
| 22:29.10 | netvor | I mean this one: https://hastebin.com/cimofajiva.pas |
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| 22:30.01 | netvor | on this one: https://hastebin.com/ikocunuzes.sql |
| 22:30.23 | jasabella | i'd imagine you'd need the 32bit shared libraries installed at least =) |
| 22:30.29 | netvor | I know I need to install libs :i386, etc.... |
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| 22:30.45 | netvor | but if I run the file -- `./runner` |
| 22:31.02 | netvor | I just get "bash: ./runner: No such file or directory" |
| 22:31.19 | netvor | which is strange, as I'm right next to the file, in bash ... |
| 22:31.20 | jasabella | is it +x? |
| 22:31.23 | netvor | yep |
| 22:31.49 | netvor | stat : https://hastebin.com/munawucepi.http |
| 22:31.54 | netvor | nothing suspicipus |
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| 22:32.15 | netvor | *"suspicious" :) |
| 22:32.25 | jasabella | can you put it thru a debugger or ltrace it? |
| 22:32.33 | netvor | sec |
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| 22:34.11 | netvor | here's ltrace: https://hastebin.com/imirogabic.rb |
| 22:34.17 | netvor | never used it, though |
| 22:34.30 | netvor | maybe I should add some more args... |
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| 22:35.53 | netvor | here's gdb: https://hastebin.com/emitecocoy.coffeescript |
| 22:36.16 | jasabella | are you even in the right directory? ls? |
| 22:36.22 | netvor | yep :) |
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| 22:37.44 | netvor | fuller: https://hastebin.com/apuremutiq.coffeescript |
| 22:37.51 | netvor | (but not really) |
| 22:38.01 | netvor | (just showing I am in the right dir) |
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| 22:38.41 | jasabella | file runner |
| 22:38.44 | jasabella | are you gaslighting me? :P |
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| 22:39.01 | netvor | that thing is gaslighting me! :D |
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| 22:39.12 | netvor | seriously, I don't know what's wrong |
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| 22:40.36 | netvor | wildest guess is that it calls bash, then chdirs to bad dir, then calls itself..? then this is from the inner bash... |
| 22:40.50 | netvor | reminds me of more options, gonna try strace |
| 22:41.44 | netvor | no more info: https://hastebin.com/erexugafuf.rb |
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| 22:42.30 | jasabella | 32-bit libs arent installed by default in amd64 flavor keep in mind |
| 22:43.24 | vizzy_zzz | mh, couldnt fix it in rescue mode, grub says unknown filesystem or so |
| 22:43.45 | netvor | I do, but I would expect other message |
| 22:43.50 | jasabella | i think you'll need to install those :) |
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| 22:44.17 | jasabella | netvor... add the architecture with dpkg and install them |
| 22:44.18 | vizzy_zzz | i had to change boot order in bios, then it boots up from stick2, BUT fails on initramfs which complains that sdc does not exist, ... its now sdb ... argh! wtf? i thought its all mapped by id or uuid now..... |
| 22:44.33 | netvor | jasabella: you mean this is kernel's way of saying it can't load libs...? |
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| 22:44.55 | netvor | I tried ldd on it and it says the elf is not dynamic |
| 22:45.01 | netvor | btw |
| 22:45.26 | vizzy_zzz | ok, today is failure day.... now both vms running with zfs are going down with uncorrectable io errors, muahahahahaha |
| 22:45.28 | jasabella | you're missing like the 32bit libc and things like that most likely :) |
| 22:45.33 | vizzy_zzz | i got to bed! |
| 22:47.20 | netvor | is looking at Multiarch/HowTo |
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| 22:49.12 | jasabella | totally different set of shared libraries yeah |
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| 22:56.55 | netvor | jasabella: right |
| 22:57.33 | netvor | jasabella: so I installed libc6:i386, now it speaks more sane error message :D |
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| 22:58.02 | jasabella | awesome |
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| 22:58.15 | netvor | but I knew I would need to install all these libs |
| 22:58.34 | netvor | I was just all so gaslit by the friggin error! |
| 22:58.49 | netvor | so I though that it's another prob |
| 22:58.51 | netvor | mg |
| 22:58.58 | netvor | thanks, anyway, jasabella |
| 22:59.01 | jasabella | yw :) |
| 22:59.12 | netvor | oh the weirdness :) |
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| 23:10.26 | aging | is there a dosemu support channel? |
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| 23:11.48 | aging | any use dosemu to run bbs doors on debian? |
| 23:12.19 | annadane | aging, you're in the right channel |
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| 23:12.51 | aging | *phew* |
| 23:13.16 | nvz | ...and asking the wrong questions |
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| 23:13.58 | aging | i think i have some permission problems... it tries to make some dirs when im starting the doorgame but of course 'permission denied' |
| 23:15.14 | aging | why does it even need to make a dir? would that be the mounting of a directory as a drive? |
| 23:16.19 | nvz | thats how dosbox worked, it mounted a directory as a drive, idk what dosemu is though |
| 23:16.51 | aging | so by the wrong questions you want me to ask about dosbox?! lol |
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| 23:17.21 | nvz | no what you just said was the right question.. about permissions, polling use of a particular app is useless to both of us |
| 23:18.14 | annadane | !anyone |
| 23:18.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:18.22 | aging | i was getting there =p |
| 23:18.50 | aging | dpkg give me some popcorn |
| 23:18.50 | dpkg | gives aging some popcorn |
| 23:18.54 | aging | thanks! |
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| 23:19.25 | aging | dpkg more popcorn |
| 23:19.26 | dpkg | aging: are you using Windows? |
| 23:19.33 | aging | dpkg no |
| 23:19.33 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 23:19.34 | nvz | aging: you need to be a bit more specific so we know what you need help with.. I gather you're running some dos program in an emulator and all that is fairly irrelevant.. we need specifics on the llocation you've mounted in this emulator, the command you ran and its exact output |
| 23:19.40 | annadane | aging, please stop abusing the bot |
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| 23:19.52 | aging | aging! |
| 23:20.04 | aging | ok... i need to eat then i will come back w/details |
| 23:20.06 | aging | ty |
| 23:20.31 | nvz | sounds good.. I been picking at my dinner for hours now.. I'm hungry but either I dont like this food or I'm just sick :P |
| 23:20.47 | aging | sorry =/ |
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| 23:21.21 | nvz | gonna go poll the neighbors about it.. heh.. figure out if its just me or if this isn't good |
| 23:21.29 | aging | haha, do it |
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| 23:26.52 | netvor | jasabella: we have to put an end to it: :) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/395935/why-so-strange-error-when-runnng-elf32-on-amd64 |
| 23:27.37 | jasabella | gl! |
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| 23:36.45 | aloo_shu | never new how entertaining dpkg can be. apparantly its original creators didn't have dryness in mind when educating it :) |
| 23:36.55 | aloo_shu | s/new/knew |
| 23:37.57 | aging | does "2> somefile.name" output the errors of a debian command? |
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| 23:43.08 | aloo_shu | "somecommand > somefile" should save the output of somecommand in somefile in the current directory. If the command generates output about erreors, they will be there. Not always so if the command *terminates* with an error. the shell will show an error number in that case, and that may help with troubleshooting. |
| 23:43.49 | aging | wont that put all the output to the file? |
| 23:43.55 | aloo_shu | yes |
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| 23:46.06 | aloo_shu | for something more intelligent, ask someone else. I think default output for errs can be set as an environment variable, 'printenv' for clues maybe |
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| 23:48.26 | jasabella | aging... assuming you're using bash https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Redirections.html |
| 23:48.43 | aging | ya bash thx |
| 23:49.40 | jasabella | if a process doesn't print an exit code, look at $? ( https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Special-Parameters.html ) |
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| 23:55.46 | aging | so... dosemu "can't create local /root/.dosemu directory" when i login to the BBS/run door game on different machine on LAN, but works fine when I login from the debian machine running the BBS/door |
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