| 00:00.27 | dtux | without LVM, will i have 2 passwords? one for my main system and one for the swap raid volume? does LVM even affect that? |
| 00:01.08 | random_numbers | I don't think LVM does any password management. |
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| 00:02.29 | dtux | random_numbers: well, i was thinking if i had lvm inside 1 raid volume, then i could run the system on a logical partition and the swap on another, then only need 1 password |
| 00:03.10 | NEOalquimista | for the swap, you could set it up to be encrypted with a random password at startup and then discarded. Swap isn't meant to survive a reboot, anyway. |
| 00:03.34 | random_numbers | The downside is no hibernation. But that's broken on so many systems it's probably disregardable. |
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| 00:04.51 | NEOalquimista | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Swap_encryption |
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| 00:07.02 | dtux | interesting.. looks like that one encourages lvm so i can use the logical volume name |
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| 00:10.12 | dtux | NEOalquimista: when would i configure that? after my first boot? |
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| 00:18.47 | aLLamox | imMute: https://pastebin.com/5Ayd560A |
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| 00:19.14 | aLLamox | I # it and un# it again still I have bin/bash permission denied |
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| 00:22.05 | lopknod | i did have 2 kernels and have to remove one but i did install a newer one why is that,that the old was not gone without pain |
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| 00:25.56 | andreas-- | hello.. I'm trying to change Local time on debian 9 to UTC but I failed. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ufortunately doesnt work for me. any idea? |
| 00:29.22 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.11 | dtux | thoughts on this? "/boot can be encrypted also, but it is likely more trouble than it is worth" |
| 00:30.18 | andreas-- | I choose "None of the above" -> "UTC" -> OK but the Local time doesnt change from EEST. |
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| 00:40.33 | buu | Ok, I can't umount a mountpoint because it's busy but neither lsof nor fuser show any processes accessing it |
| 00:40.38 | buu | Where else can I look |
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| 00:42.34 | random_numbers | andreas--: In your current terminal it shouldn't change until you reopen it. Assuming timezone isn't set in your session, profile or shell config. |
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| 00:44.09 | andreas-- | random_numbers, I reboot the box and EEST is still there. |
| 00:44.20 | random_numbers | Then it's probably another config. |
| 00:44.42 | NEOalquimista | dtux: IIRC, encrypting /boot will prevent tampering with the bootloader, but requires physical access to your computer. Much like Secure Boot. It's additional security, but complicates things a little more. With your root partition encrypted, your data is still secure in the same way as it would with or without encrypted /boot |
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| 00:45.20 | random_numbers | Encrypting boot is useless because the bootloader can still be tampered with. |
| 00:45.46 | random_numbers | And with Secure Boot the bootloader can be secured and the kernel verified. |
| 00:46.02 | random_numbers | So you get essentially nothing except a slight performance hit. |
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| 00:46.26 | NEOalquimista | I think only openSUSE encrypts /boot by default. All distros I tried didn't do it. |
| 00:46.57 | dtux | interesting, thanks |
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| 00:48.09 | random_numbers | A cheaper but easier option can be running a HIDS that does auditing for the computers in a network. |
| 00:48.21 | random_numbers | (Assuming you'd need to buy new computers for Secure Boot) |
| 00:49.25 | Tramp | andreas--: does your /etc/localtime point to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/UTC ? |
| 00:49.36 | NEOalquimista | dtux: about the swap encryption, you first create a normal unencrypted swap partition, and after your system is ready, you edit /etc/crypttab using /dev/urandom as <password> |
| 00:49.55 | NEOalquimista | but check that link I sent you |
| 00:50.07 | andreas-- | Tramp, yes |
| 00:50.22 | Tramp | andreas--: and "date" reports the wrong time? |
| 00:50.30 | NEOalquimista | sorry, correction: the swap needs to be plain dm-crypt |
| 00:50.42 | NEOalquimista | outside LVM |
| 00:50.47 | andreas-- | yes |
| 00:51.05 | andreas-- | reports EEST date |
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| 00:51.57 | Tramp | andreas--: do youset an environment variable TZ manually somehwere? |
| 00:52.05 | andreas-- | nop, never |
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| 00:53.58 | Tramp | you verified that with "echo $TZ" or "env | grep TZ", yes? |
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| 00:54.56 | random_numbers | Some display managers might try to do some magic which may disturb those settings. |
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| 01:17.30 | dtux | NEOalquimista: does this look right? https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/e9a046ef13295b53961d8857b094742e |
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| 01:58.49 | gglasses | hey all. i'm back now with debian 9 yay |
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| 01:59.18 | gglasses | should i apt-get update & apt-get upgrade to update all my software? |
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| 02:00.18 | Vasistha | gglasses: generally a good idea, although if you just did an install you're probably up-to-date |
| 02:01.05 | gglasses | Vasistha, it troubles me that it comes with Firefox 45 though |
| 02:01.26 | Vasistha | gglasses: there are other web browsers |
| 02:02.12 | Vasistha | gglasses: oh wait. I'm seeing ff 52 |
| 02:03.06 | dtux | NEOalquimista: is Random Key the same thing that you were describing? https://www.howtoforge.com/images/encrypted_raid1_lvm_setup_debian_lenny/069_MD1_Random.png |
| 02:03.20 | gglasses | What do you mean Vasistha ? |
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| 02:04.39 | dtux | NEOalquimista: indeed :) https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en |
| 02:06.25 | NEOalquimista | dtux: yes, that's it! |
| 02:06.56 | NEOalquimista | dtux: About your partition layouts, you'll have to forgive me, I never used RAID and I don't know a thing about it :/ |
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| 02:18.34 | Vasistha | gglasses: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stable§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=firefox |
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| 02:21.42 | gglasses | Thanks Vasistha |
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| 02:25.20 | dtux | NEOalquimista: it's pretty easy, you just set up parallel partitions on each drive and make a raid volume out of them which you can use as if it were a partition on a single disk. |
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| 02:37.45 | andrej | Looking at /var/log/apt/history.log ... when running an install via ansible I see both -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold |
| 02:37.53 | andrej | which of these two options takes? |
| 02:38.51 | andrej | My problem is that installing a random package seemingly replaced the machines exim4 config with the package-maintainers one ... not cool, especially if the package is unrelated to exim ;/ |
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| 02:46.44 | dtux | s/parallel/identical (same-sized)/ |
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| 02:49.36 | random_numbers | gglasses: Yeah, 45 got dropped, so even Jessie's got 52 now. |
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| 03:17.50 | gglasses | Google Chrome is not supported by Debian Stretch? I downloaded a .deb and it says file not supported |
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| 03:21.39 | prasket | @gglasses: ver 60 is supported in debian 6-9 |
| 03:21.52 | jaxson | gglasses, do a google search on 'debian google chrome' and there are pages which will show you how to install.. |
| 03:22.05 | themill | what does 'it says file not supported' mean? |
| 03:22.11 | jaxson | my preference would be to grab chromium or iron .. |
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| 03:26.04 | gglasses | Thanks found some documentation |
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| 03:31.59 | annadane | gglasses, .deb from where, i recommend not using software outside the repository |
| 03:32.37 | annadane | bah, never mind, i'm tired of arguing this |
| 03:32.43 | annadane | happily feigns ignorance |
| 03:33.19 | gglasses | annadane, i'd love to learn |
| 03:33.34 | gglasses | so bad you gave up now. *cof cof |
| 03:34.49 | annadane | well, like, you can use chrome without using a .deb... if it's not in the official debian repository it can potentially break your system to install random .deb's, as well as there being trust issues |
| 03:35.14 | annadane | i'll sidestep the whole "chrome has trust issues anyway, you should use things that don't harvest your data" debate |
| 03:36.57 | binsey | I also worry that Google offers CAPTCHA solutions to popular websites such as the New York Times and then preferentially blocks competing browsers, in an attempt to nudge people to use Chrome. |
| 03:37.00 | annadane | there's always chromium, which is what chrome is build off of |
| 03:37.22 | gglasses | thanks for that annadane !! |
| 03:37.24 | annadane | that being said, i'll still recommend firefox forever over chrome, especially nightly which is 57 which is very fast |
| 03:37.29 | random_numbers | It strongly annoys me to have javascript-based captchas around. |
| 03:37.43 | annadane | sorry for the lecture but doing stuff like that isn't really "the debian way" and it's better to learn to do it properly |
| 03:37.46 | random_numbers | annadane: I hear 63 is twice as fast as Chrome? |
| 03:37.59 | Voldenet | having a captcha that detects your mouse movements to tell if you're human is awesome and not spooky at all |
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| 03:38.18 | random_numbers | Voldenet: It's a huge annoyance because I use Javascript on a white-listing basis. |
| 03:38.23 | gglasses | annadane, i thank you a lot for lecturing, i'd rather have a lecture than to do stupid things but i totally get you're tired of lecturing over and over again |
| 03:38.30 | Voldenet | random_numbers: me too, I know what you mean |
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| 03:38.50 | binsey | random_numbers: agreed. But did you know that in some instances the CAPTCHAs don't even load when you bring the wrong browser, effectively blocking you from using the site at all? |
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| 03:39.23 | gglasses | annadane, i love firefox too, it's my favorite browser since i started using the web... i just couldn't get debian to update it. it's still 45 for me :( |
| 03:39.29 | binsey | random_numbers: as well you should. |
| 03:39.31 | random_numbers | binsey: I did not but I can believe it. |
| 03:40.00 | Voldenet | not using such sites solves the problem |
| 03:40.10 | random_numbers | OS-33052: You might enjoy clients with autojoin configs like weechat or irssi. |
| 03:40.43 | themill | gglasses: maybe we should address the firefox issue then... |
| 03:40.45 | annadane | ,v firefox-esr |
| 03:40.46 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2 |
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| 03:40.52 | binsey | Voldenet: not really; people don't have as much choice as you think. When popular sites like NYT do it, which they are now, then it is pernicious. |
| 03:40.55 | annadane | oh, you mean technical error |
| 03:41.19 | annadane | right, well, you don't have to use esr, you can also download any version of firefox and then use the profile manager to keep the two versions seperate, or just purge esr entirely |
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| 03:41.26 | random_numbers | Voldenet: binsey: The only solution is FOSS userscrips that fix those sites. |
| 03:41.28 | annadane | but as mill said, maybe address that issue |
| 03:41.32 | gglasses | yes |
| 03:41.40 | gglasses | i'd love that |
| 03:42.32 | gglasses | what's the easiest way to get an updated version of ff? i don't mind keeping 45 around |
| 03:42.32 | annadane | i downloaded the newest stable which is 56, put it on the desktop inside its own seperate folder so that it's not in home and then when i start one or the other version of firefox i set the profile manager to use either one or the other profile |
| 03:42.44 | annadane | using firefox -p from the command line and unchecking "always use..." |
| 03:42.50 | binsey | random_numbers: sure. Such scripts work today, but imagine if in the future the scripts use HTTP DRM and challenge-response on built-in license keys? |
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| 03:43.10 | annadane | gglasses, well, use the firefox website to download the tar and extract it somewhere |
| 03:43.24 | gglasses | annadane, doing that rn |
| 03:43.29 | annadane | gglasses, "latest" firefox is any number of things, there's beta, developer and nightly editions as well as the "mainstream version" |
| 03:43.33 | annadane | which is 56 something |
| 03:43.41 | random_numbers | binsey: That is a terrible image. |
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| 03:43.52 | Voldenet | binsey: what an utterly dystopian future, but I can believe it could happen at some point |
| 03:43.57 | gglasses | nightly is the one you recommend annadane ? |
| 03:44.06 | Voldenet | that's what people will get for using browser and captchas system from ads provider... |
| 03:44.14 | annadane | i don't really "recommend" any, it depends on the features you want |
| 03:44.20 | annadane | the firefox website can explain much better than i can |
| 03:44.21 | random_numbers | I persist in believing those validation schemes could be Reverse Engineered all the same, but it's a terrible thing that it could happen at all. |
| 03:44.34 | themill | gglasses: sticking to the Debian package has merits. |
| 03:44.38 | annadane | but nightly is 57 which really does have massive speed improvements over anything else |
| 03:44.38 | random_numbers | As in, that Reverse Engineering becomes necessary. |
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| 03:45.11 | gglasses | thanks themill |
| 03:45.27 | gglasses | thanks too annadane :) |
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| 03:45.57 | annadane | as a side note, you can use whatever versions of programs you want if they're standalone, like firefox has a tar so you're running a standalone executable as opposed to a .deb which physically installs |
| 03:46.04 | annadane | random .deb's cause problems |
| 03:46.12 | annadane | despite the fact that people like to do it anyway |
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| 03:46.41 | gglasses | it certainly doesn't seem that way but i love to keep my system as clean as possible |
| 03:47.37 | annadane | but yes i and many others would object to chrome and even chromium on purely ideological grounds but that's your choice |
| 03:48.46 | annadane | the complaint has usually been "but chrome is faster than firefox" which, 57 kind of defeats that argument |
| 03:49.04 | annadane | though keep in mind 57 is technically sort of beta |
| 03:49.34 | annadane | although i will also say in passing, if you can't update firefox-esr you might have deeper issues on your system and it's good to resolve that |
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| 03:49.55 | gglasses | annadane, i just installed my system today, haven't done much with it |
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| 03:50.02 | annadane | oh |
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| 03:50.32 | annadane | might be a 9.2 thing though that released yesterday so the mirrors should have all been up to date but perhaps noy |
| 03:50.34 | annadane | not |
| 03:50.42 | random_numbers | My mirrors aren't. |
| 03:50.50 | gglasses | and btw, i love what you said, i try to choose security and privacy over comfort whenever possible |
| 03:50.52 | annadane | can try deb.debian.org |
| 03:50.59 | random_numbers | And I'm vaguely annoyed I chose yesterday to upgrade one of my machines... right before 9.2 release. |
| 03:51.00 | annadane | which is a redirect |
| 03:51.05 | gglasses | mm i actually installed 9.1.0 |
| 03:51.45 | gglasses | i downloaded the image a few days ago and installed till today... i'm lazy like that, on a Sunday night... hours before work lol |
| 03:51.49 | random_numbers | Hmm... by the time I installed the site probably had updated. I downloaded the image ahead of time. |
| 03:53.16 | gglasses | annnd now i have ff 56. thanks for the lecture annadane, it totally paid off |
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| 03:53.29 | annadane | i imagine most mirrors should be updated by now anyway if you wanted to try an update |
| 03:53.52 | annadane | gglasses, just mind to keep your configuration folders and profile managers etc seperate from each other, it's why i put it in a folder on the desktop |
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| 03:54.25 | gglasses | mmm ok, will do |
| 03:54.38 | annadane | and also because ff 56 is standalone it won't be updated through apt, but you can set it to automatic updates or manual, if you choose manual going to "help - about" will check for updates |
| 03:55.55 | annadane | also https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:56.40 | annadane | actually probably deb.debian.org is bad because it might choose a non updated mirror |
| 03:57.48 | gglasses | how can you differentiate non-updated mirror? |
| 03:58.18 | annadane | well, you'll run into update issues |
| 03:58.35 | annadane | you can't really check ahead of time afaik |
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| 03:59.04 | gglasses | :) |
| 03:59.36 | annadane | i imagine the primary mirrors will be updated faster than the secondary ones but that's just a guess |
| 03:59.49 | annadane | though they might be swamped from all the people updating to 9.2 i guess |
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| 04:00.09 | gglasses | i can imagine |
| 04:00.16 | gglasses | i believe i'll just wait a few days |
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| 04:00.45 | annadane | up to you... some of those updates are security updates so don't put it off too much |
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| 04:02.04 | ransur0t | jelly: I fixed the evolution-common update issue by using dpkg -i --force-all command. Then reinstalled linux-image-amd64 and the latest kernel using apt full-upgrade. All is well again. :) |
| 04:04.10 | gglasses | annadane, to update to 9.2 i just need to `apt-get update & apt-get upgrade`? |
| 04:04.38 | annadane | mhm |
| 04:05.25 | annadane | gglasses, possibly dist-upgrade too if there's packages not upgraded (i think there's an updated kernel...?) but pay attention to what apt tells you |
| 04:05.30 | annadane | ie don't accidentally remove 50 packages |
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| 04:05.43 | annadane | it's a point release but i doubt it but i don't know the details |
| 04:05.46 | gglasses | * panicks |
| 04:05.51 | annadane | *so i doubt it |
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| 04:07.42 | gglasses | thanks a lot for all the help today annadane |
| 04:07.48 | annadane | :) |
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| 07:30.08 | annadane | zorlan, i mean you could poke around https://www.debian.org/donations |
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| 07:39.02 | jelly | zorlan: #archlinux is larger than both |
| 07:39.44 | zorlan | archlinux is a bunch of trolls |
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| 07:40.01 | realbadhorse | can someone help me install .otf fonts? |
| 07:40.25 | realbadhorse | i dumped them in ~/.fonts and ran fc-cache -f |
| 07:40.35 | realbadhorse | still cant see them in terminator menu.. |
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| 07:44.47 | coldford | wow long time since I logged in here |
| 07:44.56 | coldford | good to see still going |
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| 07:46.13 | eoli4n | realbadhorse: do you see the font with fc-list |
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| 07:49.00 | realbadhorse | i do eoli4n |
| 07:49.03 | realbadhorse | /home/anon/.fonts/Monego.otf: Monego:style=Regular |
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| 07:50.05 | realbadhorse | killed weechat,,, my bad |
| 07:51.47 | dexta | morning |
| 07:51.50 | Benefit | ^_^ morning |
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| 07:56.11 | lefreut | hey guys |
| 07:56.55 | lefreut | i have a library that stopped working as soon as i mounted some FS with noatime, it isn't working after remounting it with relatime. Any way to force atime sync once? |
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| 08:09.59 | jelly | lefreut: mount with actual atime? |
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| 08:10.33 | lefreut | jelly: yeah that's what i finally did (strictatime). thanks |
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| 08:15.26 | abulletforzombie | I broke my python installation and I can no longer run python applications |
| 08:15.35 | abulletforzombie | has anyone ever encountered this? |
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| 08:18.46 | apollo13 | yes :D |
| 08:19.21 | abulletforzombie | apollo13 it happened after I tried to install something using a root user because installing from the git repo as user didn't work. I eschewed using a virtual env |
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| 08:19.57 | apollo13 | *sigh* root is not the answer just because something doesn't work |
| 08:20.05 | apollo13 | revert what you did there and everything will work again |
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| 08:20.11 | abulletforzombie | The error it was giving me implied that it was |
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| 08:20.24 | abulletforzombie | how do you uninstall something via python? |
| 08:20.30 | apollo13 | right you got permission denied errors and thought root would help :þ |
| 08:20.31 | apollo13 | you don't |
| 08:20.41 | apollo13 | there is no support for it, you manually have to clean it up |
| 08:20.54 | apollo13 | well pip uninstall might work |
| 08:21.05 | abulletforzombie | nah it wasn't through pip |
| 08:21.06 | apollo13 | but if python and therefor pip doesn't work you have to do it manually |
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| 08:21.34 | apollo13 | ð |
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| 08:21.59 | abulletforzombie | indeed, do you know of a good link to explain where a `python setup.py install` leaves everything? |
| 08:22.29 | apollo13 | assuming it didn't do anything crazy, /usr/local/lib/pythonXX/dist-packages or site-packages |
| 08:22.42 | apollo13 | given that debian patches stuff to no end probably dist-packages |
| 08:23.00 | apollo13 | well technically speaking somewhere inside /usr/local, bin in there will have console scripts and whatnot⦠|
| 08:23.26 | ghormoon | hi, do I need to install some specific package so update-alternatives --config x-www-browser would work? I get update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browser, even with --set and specific path |
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| 08:23.43 | abulletforzombie | okay cool, my alternative is upgrading the hard drive (hdsentinel claims the drive is going to shit itself anyway so i am not worried about a fresh install) |
| 08:23.49 | abulletforzombie | pulls up his rubbers |
| 08:23.59 | abulletforzombie | time to go wading into userspace |
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| 08:25.02 | apollo13 | at least next time you will think before using root ;) |
| 08:26.02 | abulletforzombie | tbh I am not root crazy :P I usually know what I am doing, just when pip failed to install with some permission denied garbage, I read about virtualenv and how there was no good reason for it not to work through pip |
| 08:26.16 | abulletforzombie | python on the other hand is a ball game I haven't played |
| 08:26.31 | apollo13 | pip install --user should have been your next try |
| 08:26.42 | apollo13 | that would have installed into your homedir under .local |
| 08:26.59 | apollo13 | kinda easier to clean, if you want isolation venvs are the way to go |
| 08:27.41 | ghormoon | hm, it seems it doesn't accept paths that are not from packages. shoul I just link it manually without update-alternatives? |
| 08:27.49 | abulletforzombie | yeah now that I know about --user I am going to be much safer |
| 08:28.43 | abulletforzombie | the .egg in question, the one created from my installation attempt, is now gone |
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| 08:29.07 | apollo13 | there will also be egg_info and you will have to clear references from .pth files |
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| 08:29.20 | apollo13 | curious, which software was that? |
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| 08:29.44 | abulletforzombie | hangups, a CLI google hangouts command that was backwards engineered |
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| 08:30.12 | abulletforzombie | the shitty thing is I wasn't even sure if I was going ot use it, hadn't even fully vetted the code |
| 08:30.35 | bazhang | keep it curse free here abulletforzombie |
| 08:30.39 | dokma | I've downloaded sources for python3.5 in order to use it with python3.5-dbg but the sources don't match. |
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| 08:30.47 | abulletforzombie | bazhang roger |
| 08:30.52 | dokma | How do I get the sources that correspond to the *-dbg package? |
| 08:31.12 | apollo13 | apt-get source python3.5 |
| 08:31.36 | dokma | that's what I did |
| 08:31.40 | dokma | it doesn't match |
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| 08:32.04 | abulletforzombie | apollo13 had no apparent encryption of your google password, but I could be wrong |
| 08:32.27 | abulletforzombie | I was just tired of pulling out my phone just to check one chat |
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| 08:34.18 | dryden_x | I asked on the forums but does anyone know of a ftp client that can be scripted and that will never seek in a source file? |
| 08:35.14 | apollo13 | dokma: what are you actually trying to do? that source certainly matches the package, since that is what it is compiled from |
| 08:35.24 | apollo13 | well the patches need to applied first, but⦠|
| 08:35.39 | dokma | I'm debugging a sigsegv from python embedding in C++ |
| 08:35.53 | apollo13 | dokma: interesting, what are you using? |
| 08:35.55 | apollo13 | pybind11? |
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| 08:36.26 | dokma | It crashes on PyObject_CallFunction |
| 08:36.32 | dokma | I'm trying to use pyeda from C++ |
| 08:36.41 | dokma | to minimize some gigantic boolean expressions |
| 08:37.28 | apollo13 | dokma: yeah, but pyeda is python, what are you using for embedding? the raw c-api? |
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| 08:37.50 | dokma | Yes |
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| 08:38.48 | apollo13 | dokma: okay, if you do not have that much already, you might wanna try pybind11 -- takes the pain away :D |
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| 08:39.45 | abulletforzombie | apollo13 where do I find these references to .pth files |
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| 08:40.15 | apollo13 | abulletforzombie: see if you find files ending with .pth in /usr/local and then check if they contain the name of the app you installed |
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| 08:40.58 | abulletforzombie | none |
| 08:41.16 | apollo13 | ok, then you are good |
| 08:41.23 | dokma | apollo13: seems like I managed to weed that bug out... |
| 08:41.36 | abulletforzombie | does the mahcine require a restart or can I just log out of x and back in? |
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| 08:41.37 | apollo13 | dokma: refcounting error? |
| 08:41.43 | smlx | dryden_x: duplicity uses lftp |
| 08:41.52 | apollo13 | abulletforzombie: not even that |
| 08:41.53 | dokma | variable naming error |
| 08:41.55 | apollo13 | python should work again |
| 08:41.56 | dryden_x | I use lftp but it tries to seek. |
| 08:42.25 | abulletforzombie | PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/protobuf-3.1.0.post1-py3.5.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt' |
| 08:43.15 | apollo13 | abulletforzombie: when doing what? |
| 08:43.41 | apollo13 | and yeah protobuf was probably one of the dependencies, you might wanna clear that too |
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| 08:43.51 | abulletforzombie | running a program I use often, from bash |
| 08:44.03 | apollo13 | full traceback please |
| 08:44.30 | abulletforzombie | http://pasteall.org/604379 |
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| 08:45.17 | dryden_x | smlx: Duplicity is not a bad idea, I am trying to do mostly the same but without having to store local files first. |
| 08:45.28 | apollo13 | abulletforzombie: ls -lisa /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/protobuf-3.1.0.post1-py3.5.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt |
| 08:45.34 | dryden_x | smlx: But since it produces the archives first before uploading them (right) it won't run into seek behaviour. |
| 08:45.38 | apollo13 | or rather namei on that path |
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| 08:45.45 | apollo13 | looks like a weird umask + odd perms |
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| 08:45.56 | dryden_x | smlx: The problem I have is that I'm trying to upload from a pipe. |
| 08:45.57 | apollo13 | as a quickfix you can always make that file readable for all users |
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| 08:46.29 | xayto | ./1 |
| 08:46.37 | abulletforzombie | sounds gross, an you explain the umask and odd perms? |
| 08:47.17 | dryden_x | smlx: And 99% of the time lftp doesn't seek and I asked on their mailing list but haven't had response yet. |
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| 08:48.18 | apollo13 | abulletforzombie: I do not know, show me the perms there first please |
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| 08:48.38 | apollo13 | I mean in the end protobuf came in as dependency of that other app, so you probably should uninstall it too |
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| 08:49.50 | abulletforzombie | I think you're right I just tested terminator and it started |
| 08:50.11 | apollo13 | well terminator doesn't use pkg_resources apparently and that fixes that⦠|
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| 08:58.00 | abulletforzombie | apollo13 all is well thanks for the tips! seems like all of my python dependent applications are working |
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| 09:22.54 | ghormoon | hi, any idea what's wrong with desktopfile like this https://pastebin.com/SMKjbUT5 so gio doesn't recognize it and doesn't allow me to set it as handler for http(s)? |
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| 09:28.58 | Iridos | if you have a working one that it recognizes⦠try to change things bit by bit until one file matches the other |
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| 09:29.23 | Iridos | mind that it could be something invisible like different type of linebreaks or tab instead of spaces |
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| 09:30.11 | BCMM | Iridos: had to google it, apparently replacement for gvfs |
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| 09:30.23 | ghormoon | I don't have any that is from a browser, but yeah, might need to check whitespace |
| 09:30.39 | BCMM | sorry, the thing the new gvfs is based on |
| 09:31.08 | ghormoon | should I use gvfs instead? |
| 09:31.10 | BCMM | today i learned GnomeVFS and GVfs are not the same thing... |
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| 09:31.57 | ghormoon | I just wanna force hexchat use browser as it ignores x-www-browser :) |
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| 09:34.36 | BCMM | ghormoon: is the "[Desktop Entry]" header required by any chance? |
| 09:34.50 | BCMM | only mentioning it since the .desktop i got with Firefox has it |
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| 09:38.47 | BCMM | ghormoon: i checked the spec, and the [Desktop Entry] groupname is compulsory. add that, and see if it fixes it |
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| 09:40.27 | BCMM | .desktop is basically like a .ini file, and all keys are meant to be inside a section |
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| 10:15.35 | blip- | hi all, just ssh'ed into the one of the debian servers that an ex-employee used to manage. Despite the home directory having drwxr-xr-x permissions, I get an error 'Read-only file system' when trying to touch a file. is this some security layer? sudo etc doesnt help |
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| 10:17.26 | FinalX | blip-: "read-only file system" is exactly what it tells you, the file-system is mounted read-only. check with "mount" and try find out why it's mounted read-only, then remount it with write permissions. |
| 10:18.01 | blip- | FinalX, but I'm able to write to /home, just not /home/user |
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| 10:18.41 | FinalX | doesn't mean it's not a seperate mount-point, could be per-user homedir encryption with ecrypt |
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| 10:20.44 | blip- | FinalX, ah, i see. didn't know about such features. if you don't mind i'll paste the relevant mount output: /dev/vdb on /home/user type ext4 (ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
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| 10:21.31 | FinalX | there you go, mount specifically for the user and 'ro' |
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| 10:22.16 | FinalX | maybe it's designed that way for security/system-integrity, you should check with whoever set it up, or tread carefully if that's not possible |
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| 10:22.29 | blip- | and this is for security? as in the mount settings or the file system has corruption and went into RO state? |
| 10:22.38 | blip- | ok |
| 10:22.46 | FinalX | but /dev/vdb is an entire harddisk on a home user, might be a bind mount |
| 10:22.49 | blip- | i think i will reboot |
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| 10:22.52 | FinalX | and either is possible.. |
| 10:22.59 | FinalX | check /etc/fstab perhaps |
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| 10:23.39 | blip- | FinalX, aha. fstab shows /data/user mounted to /home/user, with rw |
| 10:24.07 | blip- | so I guess that indicates system went into RO state. which is not something ive ever heard of |
| 10:24.12 | FinalX | and perhaps errors=ro ? |
| 10:24.34 | blip- | nope: /data/user /home/user auto,rw bind 0 0 |
| 10:24.35 | FinalX | if so, find out what kind of errors it has before remounting it rw, because you might corrupt it further if something has happened (fsck it?) |
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| 10:24.47 | FinalX | ok, but that's a bind mount |
| 10:24.56 | FinalX | the real mount is probably mounted on /data |
| 10:25.19 | blip- | FinalX, so i fsck the RO mount, or reboot first ? |
| 10:25.20 | abulletforfree | hello helpful people, I just installed the nvidia drivers from the repos and now xorg can not recognize any screens. I used nvidia-xconfigure and I still get the same error message. |
| 10:25.49 | towo^work | abulletforfree, ynd your hardware is? ...... a notebook? |
| 10:25.52 | FinalX | blip-: a bind mount is not a real device, but a directory re-mounted as another directory, in this case /data/user as /home/user; try finding out what's going on with /data. that's probably where the real problem is. |
| 10:26.25 | abulletforfree | towo^work: it's a toshiba laptop. |
| 10:26.40 | FinalX | blip-: i'm pretty sure /data is a real device in /etc/fstab (/dev/vdb probably, judging by your previous pastes), and that probably is mounted RO due to problems |
| 10:26.57 | towo^work | abulletforfree, then remove, what you have installed and read the debian wiki about optimus ==> bumblebee |
| 10:27.17 | towo^work | abulletforfree, s/remove/purge |
| 10:27.20 | abulletforfree | researching |
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| 10:29.35 | ghormoon | BCMM: thanks, that was it |
| 10:29.37 | abulletforfree | tomo^work my card is not listed in the optimus product list |
| 10:29.57 | towo^work | i don't know your secret hardware |
| 10:30.29 | towo^work | lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" |
| 10:30.59 | abulletforfree | It's a GT 520m |
| 10:31.11 | abulletforfree | which is listed as supported |
| 10:31.25 | towo^work | use that command! |
| 10:31.37 | abulletforfree | I am looking at it |
| 10:32.12 | abulletforfree | GF119M [GeForce GT 520m] |
| 10:32.22 | towo^work | i want the complete output |
| 10:32.49 | abulletforfree | how do I yank it from one tty and paste it into weechat? |
| 10:33.40 | towo^work | install gpm, start gpm, mark it with mouse, shift + middleclick in weechat |
| 10:34.27 | towo^work | but if you get more than 1 line, and you can't disable the igp in bios, it's optimus and you have to use bumblebee |
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| 10:35.36 | abulletforfree | yes there is an integrated graphics card with the intel CPU, so I need to disable it in the BIOS, or use bumblebee, will confirm in a restart ty |
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| 10:36.51 | abulletforfree | y |
| 10:37.02 | abulletforfree | woops, also cool thanks for the gpm tip |
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| 10:55.54 | blip- | FinalX, sorry had a call come in. yes /data is the real device (from the provider that we rent this virtual server from). shall I reboot and see if it mounts RW? or i need to fsck first? |
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| 10:57.09 | FinalX | blip-: I would fsck it first, /etc/fstab does not mention 'ro' at /data either? syslog might tell you what went from, or /var/log/messages, if they haven't scrolled off |
| 10:57.14 | FinalX | either way an fsck wouldn't hurt |
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| 11:00.14 | blip- | FinalX, there's this entry in mount: /dev/vdb on /data type ext4 (ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
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| 11:00.51 | blip- | FinalX, and in fstab there's UUID=bd01026b-94ce-40b7-8b54-97101fa9eef9 /data ext4 defaults 0 0 |
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| 11:02.45 | FinalX | blip-: then it should be mounted rw, and something is up, you should definitely check the filesystem |
| 11:02.57 | blip- | FinalX, i found something in /var/log/messages, may i paste it? |
| 11:03.10 | FinalX | preferably not directly in here if you can avoid it :) |
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| 11:03.38 | FinalX | please use http://paste.debian.net/ for bits of logs and alike |
| 11:04.09 | blip- | https://dpaste.de/BeRz |
| 11:04.33 | blip- | yes not here, I'm not *that* clueless xD |
| 11:05.12 | FinalX | :) but yes, that clearly shows the filesystem has (33) errors, fsck /dev/vdb; or if you don't want to review/correct them all manually, fsck -y /dev/vdb |
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| 11:07.24 | veek | how do you undervolt the cpu in debian? PHC pkg? |
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| 11:09.39 | blip- | FinalX, thanks. i'll backup important files then run fsck -y. should i unmount anything prior? |
| 11:10.53 | FinalX | blip-: since it's mounted read-only, I don't think you have to. personally I'm not using ext4 anymore, so it's been a while (I moved everything to ZFS (and ReFS on Windows)). |
| 11:10.54 | likcoras | Hi, I'm trying to set up a personal email server, for learning purposes. I'm currently just researching, and I came across terms like spf, dkim, dmarc. Is there anything else I should be aware of, and do I even need to bother with any of those when setting up an email server in debian? |
| 11:11.08 | FinalX | veek: I found this, might still apply, but I really don't know; http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=33097 |
| 11:11.10 | blip- | FinalX, ok. thanks :) |
| 11:11.27 | veek | FinalX, thanks checking |
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| 11:21.15 | ntz | hello |
| 11:21.43 | beepboopbeep | hello i install wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.) |
| 11:21.49 | beepboopbeep | installed |
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| 11:22.27 | ntz | I'm terribly annoyed ... I'm attempting to backup usb disk mounted via fuse (there's exfat) and there are bad blocks ... no problem with that, but my OS always freezes when it reaches such a block |
| 11:22.55 | ntz | do I miss something ? I've read mount manpage and fusermount but found nothing |
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| 11:23.34 | ntz | it's so stupid that os freezes because of bad block on filesystem that is not rootfs |
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| 11:26.56 | veek | FinalX, yep :) kind of convoluted still reading it |
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| 11:32.27 | FinalX | ntz: fuse is quite unstable with disks that have problems; can't you mount it directly instead of through fuse? |
| 11:33.23 | GhostInTheShell | ntz: use ddrescue to make an image of the disk and then try to mount it and salvage the info |
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| 11:34.54 | ntz | GhostInTheShell: good idea, thanks .... my probem is that I don't have such a big medium ... this is 3TB disk filled at 90% :(, I've sucessfully rsynced something like 92/100 of content already and it now always freezes the os in the last 8/100 because of one file I guess ... |
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| 11:35.26 | ntz | another problem is, that it's virtually impossible to know what file because as far as it freezes instantly, no trace or log could be written |
| 11:36.15 | ntz | eg you can capture log, but the file that does it is not going to be written there |
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| 11:40.34 | pedrosans | hi, what is the right chanel for packaging related questions? |
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| 11:40.59 | beepboopbeep | hello i installed wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.) |
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| 11:41.22 | tomreyn | ntz: ddrescure -R will "reverse the direction of all passes", it also keeps log of files it accessed, so you can find out which ones you need to skip. |
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| 11:41.28 | ntz | beepboopbeep: re-asking a broken question won't help you that somebody will address it |
| 11:41.41 | beepboopbeep | how is it broken? |
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| 11:42.48 | ntz | tomreyn: thanks for ddrescue hint ... anyhow, log won't work because log won't be written for file on where it stucks |
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| 11:43.39 | tomreyn | ntz: it logs which file it'll read next before it does |
| 11:43.46 | ntz | tomreyn: actually my plan B is to install VM and do the stuff from the (using usb-passthrough for source and target disks) |
| 11:44.00 | ntz | **there |
| 11:44.25 | ntz | tomreyn: oh, thanks, nice, didn't know this feature .... I was using rsync yet |
| 11:45.11 | ntz | beepboopbeep: ``hello i installed wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.)'' makes no sense |
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| 11:45.35 | tomreyn | ntz: actually that was nonsense, it doesn't read file,s it reads blocks, but other than that this statement was correct. |
| 11:45.48 | ntz | beepboopbeep: what you mean by ``.folder'' ??? do you mean ``$HOME/.wine'' ??? omg |
| 11:46.02 | ntz | if so, just run winecfg and exit it |
| 11:46.15 | beepboopbeep | the folders in home/user who start with . in the name |
| 11:46.23 | ntz | that will create something called $WINEPREFIX located usually in ~/.wine |
| 11:46.35 | beepboopbeep | winecfg doesn't create the folder for what ever reason |
| 11:47.20 | ntz | no packages delivers .dot files to users' homes ... they are generated by particular app when it is run |
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| 11:51.38 | beepboopbeep | ntz: https://pastebin.com/CUUFjUww |
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| 11:53.14 | dryden_x | I was asking here about an ftp client that could do scripted pipe uploads and I found ncftpput works after I disable the HELP SITE command because the ftp server doesn't understand it :p. |
| 11:53.50 | dryden_x | I had so much trouble getting something that worked with that server in the first place. |
| 11:54.31 | dryden_x | In fact it probably works so well I won't have to use a named pipe anymore. |
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| 12:13.41 | lefreut | hey guys |
| 12:14.16 | lefreut | i have an hsm, that is backed a device in /dev created with mknod |
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| 12:14.55 | lefreut | the vendor doc state to do a chmod of it. but the acl don't survive a reboot |
| 12:15.54 | lefreut | tried to create an udev rule "KERNEL=="devicenamelikein/dev",NAME="devicenamelikein/dev", GROUP="groupthatshouldaccessthedevice", MODE="0660" |
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| 12:16.21 | lefreut | but even with udevadm control -R and udevadm trigger nothing happen |
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| 12:17.50 | lefreut | am i missing something? |
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| 12:19.12 | MACscr | is postfix crashing on my jessie box? im seeing these entries every minute https://paste.debian.net/989780/ |
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| 12:20.18 | donut_ | not crashing |
| 12:20.28 | donut_ | pid doesn't change |
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| 12:21.42 | donut_ | that script is postfix maintenance script |
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| 12:24.16 | donut_ | though not sure why it fires every minute, my configs are different. |
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| 12:25.06 | Zardoz | man now I want a doughnut... wonder why... |
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| 12:28.02 | ntz | tomreyn: I have workaround ..... lemme tell ya |
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| 12:29.16 | MACscr | donut_ hmm, thanks. it is indeed odd. |
| 12:29.34 | ntz | have already created a directory structure by rsync and copying files in loop one-by-one with ``rsync -av --progress --log-file=stdout $origin $dest 2>stderr; sync'' |
| 12:30.07 | ntz | tomreyn: ^^ this will make sure, that my logs are synced so in case it freezes I'd be able to know on what file .... |
| 12:30.27 | ntz | however heck, I had to do 2>>stderr, not just > |
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| 12:36.43 | beepboopbeep | what the heck i just found it in root folder and not in home/user ntz |
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| 12:38.31 | beepboopbeep | how can i view root folder |
| 12:39.40 | Rumpled | go to / ? |
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| 12:43.20 | Rumpled | beepboopbeep, what are you wanting to do exactly |
| 12:43.32 | beepboopbeep | in folder manager rumpled |
| 12:43.52 | Rumpled | do you mean root's home? |
| 12:44.06 | beepboopbeep | i just found out my .wine folder is in root instead of home/user/.wine |
| 12:44.34 | Rumpled | because you installed it as root. you can use su - to view those things |
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| 12:45.54 | beepboopbeep | can i install software as regular user? |
| 12:46.35 | zorlan | if you are in sudoers |
| 12:46.48 | Rumpled | run winecfg, it should create a new one in your own home |
| 12:47.05 | Rumpled | (i think. i don't use it myself) |
| 12:47.39 | Rumpled | and don't log in to root whenever you need to elevate yourself or this stuff will happen due to the nature of sudo/root |
| 12:48.09 | zorlan | sudo -i |
| 12:48.30 | beepboopbeep | holy shit thank you Rumpled |
| 12:48.42 | beepboopbeep | also i don't have sudo installed |
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| 12:49.17 | zorlan | sudo -i = su basiclly |
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| 12:50.04 | Rumpled | i think they stopped it in jessie but i don't know why |
| 12:50.05 | beepboopbeep | bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 12:50.28 | ntz | zorlan: `sudo -i' == `su -', not plain su |
| 12:50.38 | ntz | it's significant difference |
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| 12:51.30 | zorlan | but with su you cant have multiple admin accounts |
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| 12:51.47 | Rumpled | beepboopbeep, just run "su" and install it |
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| 12:52.28 | zorlan | "apt-get install sudo" |
| 12:52.28 | towo^work | noting in wine should be installed as root |
| 12:52.51 | Rumpled | it's already installed for him |
| 12:52.52 | towo^work | and wine itself should not be used as root |
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| 12:53.32 | zorlan | you can run startx as root |
| 12:54.02 | towo^work | this has what to do with wine? |
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| 12:56.07 | zorlan | you need wine to run irc scripts |
| 12:56.27 | beepboopbeep | Rumpled: doesn't it install stuff in root folder then? |
| 12:56.48 | Rumpled | those annoying 1990s colour things in mirc? do people still use them? |
| 12:56.55 | zorlan | mirc scripts are great there isnt anything like it for linux |
| 12:57.01 | Rumpled | it does if you're using root to install |
| 12:57.39 | beepboopbeep | can i leave su mode to regular mode without quiting terminal? |
| 12:57.47 | zorlan | you got love irc clients like its 1980 |
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| 12:57.54 | Rumpled | "quit" and you'll return to your normal user prompt |
| 12:57.57 | abff | beepboopbeep exit |
| 12:58.18 | beepboopbeep | thank you |
| 12:58.23 | beepboopbeep | fuck i love this community |
| 12:58.29 | beepboopbeep | i love linux so much so far |
| 12:58.35 | beepboopbeep | alot of work but so worth it |
| 12:58.43 | zorlan | you sound like donald |
| 12:58.48 | beepboopbeep | seriously, thank you guys |
| 12:58.56 | donut_ | beepboopbeep: best way to learn it is to install it for a non-user friend |
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| 12:59.15 | abff | I have been running the same install for nearly a year now and I know how you feel. Once everything is exactly the way you want it, it can be so comfortable |
| 12:59.16 | donut_ | who usually breaks it in the most imaginative ways possible |
| 12:59.28 | donut_ | =) |
| 12:59.39 | beepboopbeep | i bought thinkpad only to start using\learning linux |
| 12:59.57 | abff | offtopic but what kind of thinkpad? |
| 12:59.58 | BCMM | lol, there's a million IRC clients with scripting support |
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| 13:00.03 | zorlan | i bought an android tablet |
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| 13:00.15 | beepboopbeep | so when the day comes and microsoft stops supporting win7 i would be ready to switch |
| 13:00.16 | ntz | beepboopbeep: omg, please, please, show some portion of meekness ... you can't love linux because you obviously know only a very little about that and from my perspective, I'd not be that happy that guys here are helping you to ruin your data/system/whatever |
| 13:00.24 | beepboopbeep | abff: t470 |
| 13:00.32 | abff | beepboopbeep beefy |
| 13:00.38 | donut_ | Rumpled: colors? of course they still work |
| 13:00.44 | beepboopbeep | yea i love it |
| 13:00.55 | zorlan | you can run KDE under windows10 |
| 13:01.05 | donut_ | irssi has native support |
| 13:01.08 | beepboopbeep | i will never install win10 |
| 13:01.09 | Rumpled | donut_, i mean the swirling fonts and big words that change the colour each letter |
| 13:01.19 | donut_ | oh, scripts |
| 13:01.34 | donut_ | that's what bitch-x is for if someone still wants them |
| 13:02.00 | BCMM | beepboopbeep: when you run su, what it does is start a new shell as root, not elevate your existing shell somehow. you can run a shell from your shell, just like you'd run any other command-line program, so when you exit that root shell, you're old shell is still there |
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| 13:02.17 | Rumpled | i'm just happy with the minimalist quassel |
| 13:02.37 | BCMM | beepboopbeep: sorry for over-explaining but i feel like understanding what's actually happening helps, or you end up opening a bunch of nested shells without realising it like i did at first :) |
| 13:03.13 | BCMM | s/you're/your/ |
| 13:03.30 | beepboopbeep | i see it explains why me .wine folder was in root folder inatead of home/user |
| 13:03.52 | beepboopbeep | which makes sense cause i run'd winecfg as root instead of regular |
| 13:05.04 | BCMM | yeah, root is an actual user, and if you're running stuff with root permissions you're running it as root. a little different from windows, i think, where a process for an admin user doesn't always have elevated permissions |
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| 13:05.45 | Rumpled | look at root like you look at a policeman: you can't go around handcuffing people until you become a policeman |
| 13:06.58 | beepboopbeep | heh |
| 13:07.26 | Rumpled | windows is a bit more... awkward about it |
| 13:07.26 | abff | basically don't use root to modify your system unless you're certain of what the effects might be |
| 13:07.40 | Rumpled | ^ |
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| 13:08.43 | abff | Using it to GET information is kind of necessary when troubleshooting though, like lspci, fdisk -l and other commands not available to normal users |
| 13:09.07 | Rumpled | it tells you when though. nmap does |
| 13:09.42 | abff | just today I messed up my python instance, and I couldn't get anything that used python to run, all because I was trying to install some python app as root user |
| 13:10.22 | BCMM | abff: lspci is very much available to non-root users. it's just your $PATH stopping you using it |
| 13:10.43 | abff | learn several things every day |
| 13:10.44 | BCMM | wait, lspci isn't even in sbin... |
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| 13:11.11 | abff | BCMM don't look at me, maybe I was thinking of systemctl <_< |
| 13:11.14 | BCMM | you can just run lspci from your regular shell on a new debian install, don't even need to change your path |
| 13:11.56 | BCMM | i was giving my stock answer for when people think non-root users can't use things like ifconfig... |
| 13:12.32 | BCMM | (which by default in debian has to be run as /sbin/ifconfig if you're not root) |
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| 13:28.16 | beepboopbeep | what irc client is recommended in linux? |
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| 13:28.28 | beepboopbeep | on windows i'm using hexchat |
| 13:28.38 | Rumpled | i use quassel. i like quassel |
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| 13:29.10 | Rumpled | but there are so many you'll just have to experiment |
| 13:29.46 | beepboopbeep | is xchat rexommened? i remember it was unstable on windows |
| 13:30.04 | dvs | no |
| 13:30.07 | Rumpled | if you like having lots of small windows in your face, sure |
| 13:30.21 | dvs | xchat is not longer being developed |
| 13:30.29 | Rumpled | ^ didn't know that |
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| 13:31.26 | Rumpled | isn't pidgin being thrown in to every default installer anymore? you could try that |
| 13:31.28 | beepboopbeep | i heard the name irrsi(something like that) alot |
| 13:31.38 | Rumpled | that's a terminal one i think |
| 13:31.51 | beepboopbeep | no its not in xfce |
| 13:32.15 | beepboopbeep | oh yea i don't want commandline irc client |
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| 13:33.29 | Rumpled | just google a list and look for some screenshots for them |
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| 13:34.28 | lefreut | back from the dead with my question. I have to create a device in /dev using mknod. seems the device won't survive a reboot. do i have a more "best practice" solution to create than to add the commands in rc.local? |
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| 13:34.52 | dvs | is udev still a thing? |
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| 13:36.07 | lefreut | ....i've been fighting with it for two hours with no luck before finding that the device was created in rc.local ;( |
| 13:36.27 | lefreut | maybe the fact it's a "module" is the problem? |
| 13:37.43 | lefreut | and #udev tell to check with the distro channel ^^ |
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| 13:44.37 | Vizva | Rumpled hexchat |
| 13:44.48 | Vizva | check it out |
| 13:45.10 | Rumpled | too "big" for me |
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| 13:46.40 | beepboopbeep | do i need gksudo? |
| 13:46.53 | Rumpled | not really, no |
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| 13:48.01 | Rumpled | the only time i've ever used that is to edit the grub cfg and that was before i found nano |
| 13:48.16 | beepboopbeep | i'm watching nautilus videos and they use gksudo instead of sudo |
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| 13:55.53 | ged0 | Hi guys, |
| 13:55.53 | ged0 | Need help with systemd. How I set systemd to wait while service gracefully stops? |
| 13:56.06 | ged0 | With all its childs? |
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| 14:01.10 | hipt | hello |
| 14:01.15 | darxmurf | salut |
| 14:01.23 | hipt | can any 1 help me plz |
| 14:02.04 | darxmurf | just ask |
| 14:02.52 | hipt | haw can install terminator on cb ? |
| 14:03.02 | hipt | #! linux |
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| 14:03.59 | user23123e | hi, whats is the better solution for NFS HA active/passive |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | hipt: English motherfucker, do you speak it?? |
| 14:04.04 | user23123e | ? |
| 14:04.28 | jelly | what's cb? what's haw? |
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| 14:05.00 | hipt | cb Crunch Bang |
| 14:05.15 | jelly | ah! |
| 14:05.19 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 14:05.19 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 14:05.30 | jelly | /join #crunchbang |
| 14:05.52 | hipt | sorry my English is bad |
| 14:06.37 | babilen | hipt: It's okay, but it typically helps to spell things out, rather than using "cb", "plz" and similar slang/abbreviations/initialisms |
| 14:06.37 | hipt | thanks |
| 14:06.53 | jelly | hipt: no problem, however we do not support derivative distros, so in this case you can ask in #crunchbang channel or ##linux if you don't get an answer in there |
| 14:06.57 | hipt | ok |
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| 14:21.24 | jan6 | I may or may not have accidentally deleted a partition without having any idea what's on it... http://i64.tinypic.com/2j5o3dj.png and now I can't boot since "the partition table is invalid" or something, currently on live usb...as to why I did it, it looked very similar to my new flash drive, and about the same size too...sooo any ideas what was on it and how do I fix it? it's a dualboot setup with grub, but as I said, grub won't even |
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| 14:22.18 | lefreut | by wich user are systemd-udevd rules executed? |
| 14:22.44 | blip- | FinalX, hi, you were helping me earlier. found out the disk went into RO mode cos it was full. remounting didn't help |
| 14:23.29 | blip- | FinalX, i unmounted /data, /opt/ and /home/user, all of which were tied to /dev/vdb. but OS won't let me remount them. fdisk -l says Disk /dev/vdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 14:23.33 | blip- | should i be concerned |
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| 14:30.16 | lefreut | are the mount made by systemd-udevd made before the "modprobe" made systemd-udevd? i'm trying to run a script on module load but it end in No such file or directory |
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| 14:30.47 | lefreut | don't know if it's an acl problem or a workflow problem |
| 14:31.24 | lefreut | blip: do you have partition on the disk? ie if you do ls /dev/vdb* do you have several results? |
| 14:31.47 | beepboopbeep | how do i get package list\link from https://packages.debian.org/sid/hexchat to add to my source.list? |
| 14:32.05 | jelly | beepboopbeep: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:32.28 | beepboopbeep | 9.1 |
| 14:32.35 | jelly | if you're using something older than sid, you really don't want to get packages from sid |
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| 14:32.40 | jelly | ,v hexchat |
| 14:32.42 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.12.4-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.12.4-3; buster: 2.12.4-5+b2; sid: 2.12.4-5+b2 |
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| 14:33.03 | jelly | beepboopbeep: what's wrong with the version from stretch, then? |
| 14:33.04 | beepboopbeep | sid? |
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| 14:34.00 | jelly | beepboopbeep: sid is the development branch of debian, your link points to a information about a package version from sid |
| 14:34.02 | beepboopbeep | i installed xfce there is not alot of things installed with it so i need to install it manually jelly |
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| 14:34.45 | jelly | beepboopbeep: hexchat is available in standard repos for 9.1. Just do "apt-get install hexchat" |
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| 14:34.47 | jelly | as root |
| 14:35.07 | jelly | if that does not work, something is misconfigured. |
| 14:35.16 | beepboopbeep | E: Invalid operation hexchat |
| 14:35.30 | jelly | you did not type the correct command. |
| 14:35.52 | beepboopbeep | sudo apt-get hexchat E: Invalid operation hexchat |
| 14:37.04 | jelly | beepboopbeep: "sudo apt-get install hexchat" |
| 14:37.14 | beepboopbeep | ah install lol |
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| 14:38.19 | beepboopbeep | btw whats the difference between apt and apt-get |
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| 14:41.01 | somiaj | beepboopbeep: apt-get was part of a collection of software called apt, including things like apt-file, apt-config, etc. apt is a modern replacement of all those binaries into a single binary apt. |
| 14:41.03 | eoli4n | beepboopbeep: https://askubuntu.com/questions/445384/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-and-apt-get |
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| 14:44.10 | jelly | oooh a REAL client |
| 14:44.13 | beepnboop- | test |
| 14:44.20 | beepnboop- | thank you jelly |
| 14:44.20 | jelly | test failed, beepnboop- |
| 14:44.30 | jelly | hides |
| 14:44.45 | beepboopbeep | i wont miss using webclient |
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| 14:50.22 | blip- | hi all, having this issue with apt-get packages, any thoughts? https://dpaste.de/GLnq |
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| 14:51.51 | somiaj | blip-: have you rand pat-get update recentally? |
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| 14:52.06 | dvs | who's pat? ;-) |
| 14:52.16 | somiaj | blip-: the output of apt-cache policy could help |
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| 14:52.52 | dgp | dvs: he delivers post with his black and white cat |
| 14:53.11 | blip- | somiaj, the machine was managed by an ex-employee, i don't know what he did :/ |
| 14:53.19 | blip- | nor am i very familiar with debian |
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| 14:53.57 | somiaj | blip-: It looks like this is debian wheezy-lts and things are just out dated (missing security updates). You will need to track down why this conflict exists. |
| 14:54.01 | somiaj | !bat |
| 14:54.01 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:55.09 | tw | What does "bat" stand for? |
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| 14:58.43 | blip- | somiaj, thanks. it's Wheezy 7.9. 1) https://dpaste.de/GLnq 2) https://dpaste.de/jFLo 3) http://paste.debian.net/hidden/abff5d96/ |
| 14:58.47 | blip- | brb |
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| 15:00.44 | blip- | shall i uninstall the packages i already have - and let it install fresh dependencies? |
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| 15:13.46 | tw | probably switch to archive.debian.org as your mirror. I bet the mirror you're using is not providing wheezy updates anymore. |
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| 15:17.32 | lefreut | are the module from /etc/modules before or after mounts from /etc/fstab? |
| 15:17.39 | lefreut | *loaded |
| 15:18.42 | tw | It depends. |
| 15:19.18 | lefreut | tw: god i love you. do you happens to know where i should look to know that? google kinda fail me |
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| 15:20.01 | tw | iirc, modules gets probed after / comes up but before net. Net filesystems will come up after that |
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| 15:20.58 | lefreut | and in the case of lvm? don't look like there net one but maybe the depends on modules themself? |
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| 15:21.11 | tw | That should get baked into your initrd. |
| 15:21.30 | lefreut | yay that's my problem then :( |
| 15:21.44 | lefreut | can't run a script on module load because no mount |
| 15:22.04 | lefreut | i'll have to end with rc.local, or a homemade service |
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| 15:22.33 | tw | You can add some custom scripts to your initrd if you need something run at boot time, but it won't have access to your normal root. |
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| 15:24.56 | lefreut | that kinda feel like a situation where i will break it and it's 300KM from where i am ;( |
| 15:25.28 | beepnboop- | test |
| 15:25.41 | lefreut | beepnboop: received :) |
| 15:26.02 | beepnboop- | i'm trying to remove the seconds from the time stamp |
| 15:26.08 | beepnboop- | its little too extensive |
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| 15:26.40 | beepnboop- | found |
| 15:27.03 | tw | lefreut: simulate it in a local VM before deploying it. |
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| 15:27.46 | tw | Or make friends with someone at the site where the machine is and keep an IP-KVM there just in case. |
| 15:28.01 | lefreut | tw: sadly that an hardware HSM with custom hw protection i can't quitte simulate |
| 15:28.19 | tw | Ah. That'd be problematic. |
| 15:28.28 | lefreut | tw: and the only guys on the site are sales :D i've managed to make them change an IP once but that's it ^^ |
| 15:28.46 | tw | IP-KVM or IPMI sounds like the way to go then. |
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| 15:29.16 | tw | And invest in test infrastructure if you can swing it. |
| 15:29.19 | lefreut | tw: ip-kvm is totaly the way to go |
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| 15:30.23 | lefreut | tw: that is a test infrastructure, but for a start-up and it will go in production, etc, and it have to be quick. :/ thanks again for your time |
| 15:31.13 | lefreut | tw: after messing with udev for 4H it's good to see a bit more what is problematic |
| 15:31.35 | tw | Yep, sorry I can't help more, but your setup is pretty specific. I've done the yubikey-luks unlock thing and it's not particularly common or well documented. I imagine a full HSM would be more complex not less. |
| 15:33.40 | tw | Oh, another thing that might catch you; make sure to test all your scripts with dash or busybox ash; the initrd/ramfs environment is not bash. |
| 15:34.29 | lefreut | tw: they have been tested using /bin/sh but i'll do that! thanks for the advice |
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| 15:35.19 | tw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.50 | lefreut | tw:...damn looking so noob |
| 15:36.15 | tw | They're common assumptions. |
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| 15:36.44 | colo-work | tw, hasn't that been changed to dash with wheezy? |
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| 15:37.10 | tw | Not that I'm aware of. My stretch install still does it. |
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| 15:37.31 | colo-work | I have stretch (upgraded all the way since squeeze) on this desktop, and it says: dash: /bin/sh |
| 15:37.39 | colo-work | (with a diversion from that package) |
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| 15:38.22 | colo-work | https://wiki.debian.org/DashAsBinSh |
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| 15:42.28 | rudi_s | tw: Default is dash nowadays, old systems are AFAIK not automatically upgraded (but I think there was a debconf dialog during upgrade). |
| 15:42.58 | tw | Okay, if I install bash that automatically diverts sh -> basdh? |
| 15:43.13 | rudi_s | No. Both dash and bash are essential and always installed. |
| 15:43.26 | rudi_s | But you can change which one is used as /bin/h. |
| 15:43.29 | rudi_s | */bin/sh |
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| 15:44.56 | tw | lefreut: okay, ignore me, my install apears to be non-standard. |
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| 15:56.18 | hellyeah | !msn dpkg buster-backports |
| 15:56.26 | lefreut | tw: in either case i'll have to check |
| 15:56.26 | hellyeah | !msg dpkg buster-backports |
| 15:57.02 | hellyeah | !dpkg buster-backports |
| 15:57.06 | hellyeah | !dpkg buster-backport |
| 15:57.12 | hellyeah | hm |
| 15:57.31 | BCMM | isn't the syntax just |
| 15:57.34 | BCMM | !buster-backports |
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| 15:57.40 | BCMM | nevermind. |
| 15:57.46 | hellyeah | sorry |
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| 15:57.57 | hellyeah | !strectch-backports |
| 15:58.04 | hellyeah | !dpkg strectch-backports |
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| 15:58.13 | at0m | stretch |
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| 15:58.19 | hellyeah | this bot is smart |
| 15:58.29 | hellyeah | !dpkg stretch-backports |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 15:58.35 | hellyeah | oket |
| 15:58.43 | at0m | it's pretty dumb. like any computer, it doesn't take typo's for commands. |
| 15:58.51 | uxfi | hellyeah; hellyeah ! |
| 15:59.03 | hellyeah | uxfi: sup |
| 15:59.23 | at0m | hellyeah: for more, /msg dpkg help and you can chat all you want |
| 15:59.25 | BCMM | i kinda assumed people started messages with ! infrequently enough that it would say something if it doesn't have any information for a given keyword |
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| 16:00.11 | BCMM | at0m: apt install sl :) |
| 16:00.35 | hellyeah | at0m: thanks |
| 16:00.38 | BCMM | (it helps your shell understand typos) |
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| 16:05.06 | hellyeah | which package contain pip3? |
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| 16:06.00 | lefreut | don't know if its the 3 but python-pip? |
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| 16:07.23 | hellyeah | interesting |
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| 16:08.14 | lefreut | no seems it only provide pip and pip2 sorry: https://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/all/python-pip/filelist |
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| 16:09.02 | lefreut | hellyeah: python3-pip |
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| 16:10.36 | user__93459 | just tested, python3-pip contains pip3 |
| 16:10.52 | hellyeah | i am installing python-pip now |
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| 16:11.29 | somiaj | hellyeah: you should be careful with pip, and may want to look into python virtual enviroments. |
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| 16:12.22 | hellyeah | somiaj: i have to install a software called safe eyes |
| 16:12.32 | hellyeah | the instruction asked for pip3 |
| 16:13.19 | somiaj | hellyeah: you should really be doing this in a python virtual enviorment, and not on the system itself. |
| 16:13.50 | somiaj | look at the package pyhton3-virtualenv |
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| 16:14.46 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 16:15.04 | hellyeah | you mean not install something with pip to your system* |
| 16:15.07 | somiaj | hellyeah: the idea here is that you don't want to use pip3 (or any other tool except apt/dpkg) to install software in /usr (system locations). With a python virtual enviroment you can install any collection of python packges in their own enviroment seperate from the system. |
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| 16:16.20 | hellyeah | understand |
| 16:16.35 | hellyeah | how to construct python virtual environment? |
| 16:16.49 | somiaj | the package I pointed out should build it for you |
| 16:17.16 | somiaj | python3-virtualenv -- I'm not that familar with the details as all the python packages I use are already in debian so I don't need a seperate enviroment |
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| 16:18.07 | hellyeah | somiaj: let me install that |
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| 16:20.08 | hellyeah | so somiaj now everything i install with php3 will be installed under vitrual env is it? |
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| 16:23.37 | hellyeah | dont have pip3 package on system |
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| 16:31.39 | kolnpole | i deleted my boot partition |
| 16:31.46 | kolnpole | can i undo it? |
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| 16:32.24 | n4n0` | negative kolnpole. |
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| 16:32.31 | kolnpole | :(( |
| 16:32.54 | kolnpole | never drunk and roor |
| 16:32.58 | kolnpole | root |
| 16:33.10 | n4n0` | agreed |
| 16:33.26 | Sir_Designer | you should grab a network intall and reinstall |
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| 16:34.05 | kolnpole | my pc is right now on so ...im downloading and making a usb bootable |
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| 16:34.44 | user__93459 | backup your data |
| 16:34.59 | n4n0` | maybe next time you could make a drunk test script for root access |
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| 16:35.47 | kolnpole | lmao ..ya |
| 16:36.17 | user__93459 | now selling... usb breathalyzer |
| 16:36.34 | user__93459 | xD |
| 16:36.38 | n4n0` | if you do bash such a script, be sure to give me the github so I can use it too :) |
| 16:36.59 | kolnpole | hahahaha xd sure |
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| 16:50.15 | BCMM | n4n0`: just make a sufficiently difficult root password |
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| 16:59.37 | lefreut | not working if you use keepass like solutions :o |
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| 17:02.05 | n4n0` | BCMM, that might work. |
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| 17:07.43 | demo_ | hello, anyone here familiar with ddrescue ? |
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| 17:08.27 | apollo13 | demo_: please do not ask meta question but a concrete one |
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| 17:10.04 | demo_ | i have - last run time: 19.99 h, successful read: 19.99 h ago |
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| 17:10.18 | demo_ | does it mean its not reading anymore ? |
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| 17:10.42 | demo_ | ipos/opos have increased but i dont know what they mean |
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| 17:11.40 | apollo13 | man ddrescue will give you hints on waht ipos and opos are |
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| 17:12.03 | apollo13 | most likely something towards input and output position |
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| 17:16.17 | demo_ | i want to know if its still reacovering stuff or hdd is dead |
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| 17:16.55 | jhutchins_wk | demo_: I would guess that it last completed 20 hours ago. |
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| 17:17.37 | demo_ | its been like this since ive started it |
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| 17:18.01 | demo_ | last week it was different, last read was smaller than runtime |
| 17:18.09 | jhutchins_wk | demo_: You should read the dd docs. |
| 17:18.25 | jhutchins_wk | demo_: If you're running ddrescue on a weekly basis you have other problems. |
| 17:19.54 | demo_ | its a bad hdd that im trying to rescue one single docx file, wich has the header missing, and since its a zip, whole file is lost |
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| 17:26.31 | Somelauw | How can I use the Emacs package located here? http://londo.ganneff.de/ ? (I want to test it without overwriting my system version) I can also compile it from source, but I'm lazy. |
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| 17:27.02 | section1 | hi guys i have debian 9 with samba 4.5 and have a shared with force create mode = 0770 ...but don't works as expected.. when cp from console works fine...but when copy files from dolphin the copied files get with the original permissions ...anny ida ? maybe a bug ? |
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| 17:33.01 | apollo13 | section1: maybe dolphin issues a chmod` |
| 17:33.47 | section1 | apollo13, yeah maybe |
| 17:34.03 | section1 | but for example in other server with samba 3 don't happen this |
| 17:34.12 | section1 | an old debian |
| 17:34.32 | apollo13 | then make sure to increase debug logging |
| 17:35.03 | section1 | i will try that maybe force the mode and the apply dolphin mode..not sure |
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| 18:03.25 | beepnboop- | sudo apt-get install steam E: Unable to locate package steam |
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| 18:04.51 | nostr0mo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.09 | beepnboop- | not sure |
| 18:05.24 | beepnboop- | not likely |
| 18:06.17 | nostr0mo | You might need to enable it to install it - https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 18:08.03 | beepnboop- | what is the non free repository for 9.1? |
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| 18:09.01 | geard | Hello all, i'm following some guides on setting up a pxe server. I install syslinux-common but don't see a pxelinux.0 in the /usr/lib/syslinux/ did this file get changed and i'm following an old guide or am i missing something? |
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| 18:09.35 | n4dir | !non-free sources |
| 18:09.35 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 18:09.42 | n4dir | beepnboop-: ^^ |
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| 18:11.32 | beepnboop- | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:11.37 | beepnboop- | like that? |
| 18:12.11 | n4dir | that line contains stretch-updates |
| 18:12.29 | n4dir | you will want to edit that one too, but also the other entries |
| 18:12.49 | beepnboop- | keep just the stertch? |
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| 18:14.05 | jhutchins_wk | geard: It may be named syslinux. |
| 18:14.12 | Rumpled | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 18:14.24 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 18:14.31 | jhutchins_wk | Rumpled: Need a relase. |
| 18:14.49 | n4dir | so add contrib and non-free (usually you can remove or comment the deb-src lines though) |
| 18:15.29 | Rumpled | yeah don't forget that like i did lol |
| 18:15.42 | n4dir | ups, there already is an example which contains contrib and non-free, just copy and paste that (after removing all old entries) |
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| 18:18.04 | beepnboop- | it installs it but doesn't load |
| 18:18.16 | jhutchins_wk | !steam |
| 18:18.16 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 18:19.02 | algun|home | Anyone know of a DHT search engine one could install? |
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| 18:19.27 | beepnboop- | for dpkg --add-architecture i386 do i need sudo\su? |
| 18:19.35 | annadane | beepnboop-, yes |
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| 18:21.09 | beepnboop- | i don't think it does anything |
| 18:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | !search |
| 18:21.10 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
| 18:21.47 | algun|home | jhutchins_wk: i did |
| 18:22.02 | beepnboop- | user@debian:~$ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:22.02 | beepnboop- | user@debian:~$ |
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| 18:23.59 | beepnboop- | same in su(without sudo) |
| 18:25.02 | annadane | beepnboop-, IIRC i don't think you get a confirmation message when you do that |
| 18:25.04 | jelly | beepnboop-: that looks like it worked. |
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| 18:25.48 | beepnboop- | reinstall steam now? |
| 18:25.54 | beepnboop- | cause it still doesn't open |
| 18:25.56 | jelly | beepnboop-: so do an "apt-get update" after that |
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| 18:26.13 | jelly | ,v steam --arch i386 |
| 18:26.15 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2 |
| 18:26.16 | algun|home | jhutchins_wk: aptitude this time as well |
| 18:26.18 | jelly | ,v steam --arch amd64 |
| 18:26.19 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 18:27.23 | jelly | if you have the standard set of repos for stretch configured it ought to be installable after that |
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| 18:27.41 | jelly | (well, standard w/ contrib and non-free) |
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| 18:41.43 | OS-29528 | !gamma |
| 18:41.43 | dpkg | i heard gamma is the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon |
| 18:42.25 | algun|home | !dht |
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| 18:45.13 | jelly | wtf |
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| 18:56.09 | nix64bit | so i sshed into my install that froze without any logs and demsg showed this message |
| 18:56.10 | nix64bit | nouveau 0000:01:00.0: msvld: unable to load firmware data |
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| 18:56.49 | nix64bit | dmesg |
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| 18:57.12 | somiaj | I don't know if that would be the cause of the freezes, but you can install the firmware from non-free I belive |
| 18:57.36 | nix64bit | is there any way to customize nouveau? |
| 18:57.49 | somiaj | in what way? |
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| 18:58.07 | nix64bit | Is it a good idea to use non free firmawre? |
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| 18:58.39 | nix64bit | well maybe resinstakl it with diffent options |
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| 18:58.42 | somiaj | I say yes, but at some level this is a matter of choice and how much effort you want to go through to only use free (as in DFSG) software |
| 18:59.16 | somiaj | you can't install it with different options. If there is some option you need to toggle this can usually be done via modprobe or in your xorg.conf file. What options are you needing to change? |
| 18:59.16 | nix64bit | its a pretty old graphics card |
| 18:59.20 | babilen | And it's very hard to get around hardware needing firmare or microcode |
| 18:59.54 | babilen | I mean your processor will always use it, just outdated versions if you don't install the Debian package (/msg dpkg microcode) or flash motherboard firmare frequently |
| 18:59.55 | nix64bit | i am keen to stop the gfreezing |
| 19:00.24 | somiaj | nix64bit: I don't think nouveau missing firmware is the cause of your freezes. |
| 19:00.51 | nix64bit | what could it be then? |
| 19:01.32 | somiaj | but if you would like, look a few lines before that message and let us know exactly what firmware file it is not able to find and we can check if it is installable in debian |
| 19:01.52 | nix64bit | ah thanks |
| 19:01.57 | somiaj | It maybe worth trying to use the firmware, but usually with nouveau, missing firmware just disables features, but won't cause a freeze. |
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| 19:02.25 | nix64bit | nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv106_fuc084d failed with error -2 |
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| 19:02.55 | annadane | may be able to find the source of the freezing by journalct |
| 19:02.59 | annadane | journalctl* |
| 19:03.18 | nix64bit | it happens intermittently |
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| 19:03.58 | nix64bit | mouse moves about but keyboard is dead |
| 19:04.33 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: usb keyboard? |
| 19:04.38 | nix64bit | yup |
| 19:04.40 | gftg | Is anybody here aware of reasons why debian is not available as a charity on humblebundle.com? |
| 19:04.58 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: That's probably not anything to do with the graphics. |
| 19:05.00 | gftg | Maybe this has been discussed in the past and people don't want it. |
| 19:05.16 | gftg | Or maybe, debian is only not aware of it. |
| 19:05.19 | nix64bit | jhutchins_wk: I have no idea what it is |
| 19:05.23 | somiaj | nix64bit: it appears debian dosen't package the firmware for nouveau. I'm unusre on the details here as I use the non-free driver. For your case I doubt this issue is what is causing your crashes. |
| 19:05.29 | beepnboop- | jelly, i did apt+apt-get update afterwards |
| 19:05.37 | beepnboop- | steam still doesn't load |
| 19:05.40 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: In fact, it could be the USB port. |
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| 19:06.14 | nix64bit | i did try and plug usb into to diffent ports |
| 19:06.23 | jhutchins_wk | beepnboop-: update just updates the lists. upgrade or -f install will install packages. |
| 19:06.46 | beepnboop- | i did upgrade too |
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| 19:07.39 | nix64bit | i am using a usb hub |
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| 19:09.25 | nix64bit | somiaj: thanks for looking |
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| 19:09.56 | nix64bit | i should get a nw graphics card, what is recommended? |
| 19:10.39 | somiaj | depends on what you want to do. I personally use intel on my laptops that I only need 2D graphcs, and nvidia+non-free drivers for systems I use 3D |
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| 19:11.29 | somiaj | but this is a personal choice, many like ati/radeon. They do have better open drivers than nvidia, but the debian non-free driver in linux is somewhat better than ati/radeons (though my expreience maybe outdated) |
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| 19:12.47 | nix64bit | silly qustion how do i get the graphics card info? |
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| 19:16.07 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: lspci -nn |
| 19:16.28 | tw | nix64bit: Depends what you're llooking for. lspci will give you information about the hardware. glxinfo will give you some information about the running driver and library's graphics support. |
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| 19:17.01 | nix64bit | wow thanks |
| 19:17.28 | nix64bit | i was just looking it up and you cut to the chase |
| 19:17.33 | nix64bit | ;) |
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| 19:17.50 | beepnboop- | try reinstalling? |
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| 19:20.17 | Kobaz | what's the best way to get a newer kernel (newer than 4.9) on debian jessie (other than the obvious custom-kernel)... ie... what's a more debian-ish way of doing it |
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| 19:21.37 | greycat | Why not upgrade to stretch? |
| 19:21.44 | Kobaz | i will eventually |
| 19:21.56 | Kobaz | i need to rebuild a lot of my apps for stretch |
| 19:21.57 | greycat | Trying to run a kernel that's 2 releases beyond your userspace is just asking for trouble. |
| 19:22.23 | Kobaz | greycat: depends on the changes |
| 19:22.53 | nix64bit | lshw -class display |
| 19:22.54 | Kobaz | there's no real breaking userspace changes between 4.9 and 4.12 for instance |
| 19:23.09 | greycat | You can *try* downloading the buster kernel package and see if it'll install, or if it depends on a too-new version of udev, dbus or whatever. |
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| 19:23.28 | Kobaz | greycat: i have 4.12.8 running on deebian-squeeze |
| 19:23.37 | Kobaz | one of my dev/testing boxes for older systems |
| 19:24.53 | nix64bit | https://dpaste.de/7gTd |
| 19:25.12 | Kobaz | greycat: earlier kernels, yes definitely |
| 19:25.16 | Kobaz | udev, etc |
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| 19:26.44 | Kobaz | ah, 4.12 from stretch installed just fine |
| 19:26.52 | Kobaz | stretch-backports |
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| 19:29.30 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: To answer your actual question, doing your own backport would probably be the "debian way". See /msg dpkg ssb for the general technique. |
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| 19:30.38 | Kobaz | k |
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| 19:32.49 | nix64bit | back to the freeze I tried journalctl | grep usb |
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| 19:33.51 | nix64bit | i tried to grep error but nothing of interest |
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| 19:38.15 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: I would expect that sort of thing to show up in dmesg rather than the journal. |
| 19:38.42 | nix64bit | I had a look there not sure what to look for |
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| 19:40.24 | hexhaxtron | I'm using XFCE4 and the Programmer Dvorak keyboard layout. I also set the Compose Key to Right Alt but I can't make accents... What can I do? |
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| 19:40.52 | nix64bit | i see gitlab is still running a service, I unistalled it ages ago |
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| 19:43.45 | Somelauw | hexhaxtron: compose, e, ' |
| 19:43.56 | Somelauw | or compose ' e |
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| 19:45.10 | hexhaxtron | Somelauw: I know that... I can do only this one: á ó é |
| 19:45.38 | hexhaxtron | But I can't make for example an a with a tilde ~ |
| 19:45.42 | Somelauw | hexhaxtron: that's three already |
| 19:45.48 | hexhaxtron | Or circumflex |
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| 19:45.52 | hexhaxtron | a with ^ |
| 19:46.01 | grauzikas | Hello, i need an dhcp server what can be backended with an database server (for example mysql), i need it to store/update mac addresses and network information to specify for dhcp clients what ip they should get. may be some one can sugest an dhcp server name :) ? |
| 19:46.02 | Somelauw | ã is compose ~ a |
| 19:46.13 | hexhaxtron | Somelauw: doesn't work... |
| 19:46.22 | Somelauw | â is compose ^ a |
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| 19:46.38 | hexhaxtron | Doesn't work... :) |
| 19:47.02 | Somelauw | hexhaxtron: does it work in a terminal? |
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| 19:47.12 | hexhaxtron | Doesn't work everywhere. |
| 19:47.24 | greycat | Then you're not in X, or you haven't defined a Multi_key, or you have overridden the default Debian X11 input compositions. |
| 19:47.57 | Somelauw | hexhaxtron: Do you have a .Xcompose file? |
| 19:48.13 | hexhaxtron | Somelauw: nope. |
| 19:48.17 | Somelauw | If not it uses /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose |
| 19:48.31 | Somelauw | although that might depend on your locale |
| 19:48.45 | nix64bit | anyway thanks for the help |
| 19:48.45 | jhutchins_wk | grauzikas: The standard dhcp server will allow you to reserve IPs by MAC. |
| 19:48.47 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/XCompose |
| 19:48.49 | nix64bit | night |
| 19:49.46 | jhutchins_wk | ,v kea |
| 19:49.47 | judd | No package named 'kea' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:50.05 | Somelauw | if you create a .XCompose file, you should start the file with include "%L", which is an undocumented feature unfortunately |
| 19:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | grauzikas: kea is a project to develop a dhcp server with mysql back-end. |
| 19:50.19 | greycat | it's documented on that wiki page |
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| 19:50.48 | greycat | and it's documented in one of the man pages, obviously, or I wouldn't have been able to write that wiki page |
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| 19:51.40 | Kobaz | jhutchins_wk: does it do postres? |
| 19:51.47 | grauzikas | Thank you, kea exist only in newest debian, but it`s not a problem :) |
| 19:51.48 | Kobaz | *postgres |
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| 19:53.59 | Somelauw | greycat: many open source projects seem to have outdated wiki pages, but this one looks okay |
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| 19:54.05 | Plushwolf | How can I make a bootable USB drive *without* formatting it first and *without* using dd or similar? |
| 19:54.24 | Plushwolf | Want to copy a ISO or USB image on it |
| 19:54.31 | Kobaz | Plushwolf: why would you want to avoid those two? |
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| 19:54.55 | greycat | dd or cp the image onto the raw device |
| 19:55.00 | Plushwolf | I don't have a CD drive and only one USB drive |
| 19:55.16 | Kobaz | why do you want to avoid formatting |
| 19:55.27 | Kobaz | why do you want to avoid dd |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | What are you REALLY trying to do? Preserve the contents of crap that's already on the USB device somehow? |
| 19:55.37 | Plushwolf | I have data on the drive? |
| 19:55.42 | Kobaz | move the data |
| 19:55.43 | greycat | Copy it to a hard disk. |
| 19:55.50 | Kobaz | set up the image, and then copy the data back |
| 19:56.25 | Kobaz | bootable usb, in order to work... needs a *very* specific setup |
| 19:57.06 | Kobaz | you're making it incredibly difficult if you want to keep the data that's already there..... you have ample ways to set up your usb stick using known methods... why dive into unknown/hacky/roundabout methods that may or may not work? |
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| 19:58.35 | Kobaz | jhutchins_wk: looks like it does do postgres... yay |
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| 19:58.38 | Kobaz | http://kea.isc.org/docs/kea-guide.html#idp52370224 |
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| 20:08.20 | Phrk_ | Hello i need debian jessie iso, but i don't find it, any help pls ? |
| 20:08.36 | Kobaz | www.debian.org |
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| 20:08.42 | sIRwa2 | hello, i just learned about apt. can i safely use "apt update" where is used to use "apt-get update" ? im asking because i learned use apt and aptitude togheter was bad practice. is this the same in this case? |
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| 20:08.54 | sIRwa2 | is = I |
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| 20:09.37 | greycat | The main difference is "apt install" (et al.) will automatically remove the .deb files afterward. |
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| 20:10.31 | sIRwa2 | oke. thats good because i nver knew those files stayed :) |
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| 20:14.10 | jhutchins_wk | sIRwa2: You can use apt, apt-get, aptitude, and straight dpkg if you want. Unlike RPM systems, it won't complain. |
| 20:14.22 | sIRwa2 | and in Phrk_ defence, downloading an iso of Debian, especially not the cuurent stable can be quite a challenge.. but so is configuring your system :) |
| 20:14.37 | Phrk_ | jeez |
| 20:14.43 | sIRwa2 | cool tnx guys! |
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| 20:15.13 | Phrk_ | sIRwa2, it's just to make some test |
| 20:15.17 | Phrk_ | not to use it |
| 20:15.33 | sIRwa2 | 32 or 64 bit? |
| 20:15.38 | Phrk_ | i dont care |
| 20:16.16 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: Would you prefer to use the current relase? |
| 20:16.37 | Phrk_ | jhutchins_wk, i want Jessie because someone on jessie saying my app don't work |
| 20:17.03 | greycat | if you're trying to duplicate a reported problem, then you want to use the same architecture as the user |
| 20:17.33 | Phrk_ | it's not a things on the architecture |
| 20:17.34 | greycat | and ideally the same hardware, or as close as you can find |
| 20:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: Good for you then! |
| 20:18.09 | greycat | if you think it's a pure userspace issue, then just debootrap a jessie install into a chroot |
| 20:18.20 | greycat | debootstrap * |
| 20:18.22 | Phrk_ | it's a gui things with gnome |
| 20:18.37 | greycat | gnome? /me backs away |
| 20:18.42 | Phrk_ | ye i know |
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| 20:18.44 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:18.51 | greycat | is not jessie |
| 20:18.54 | Phrk_ | it's current |
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| 20:19.04 | Phrk_ | nice try btw |
| 20:19.30 | Phrk_ | lol maybe i can buy a old cd on ebay |
| 20:19.31 | Phrk_ | haha |
| 20:19.41 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 20:19.41 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:19.56 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual |
| 20:20.13 | Phrk_ | ? |
| 20:20.29 | Phrk_ | if i ask here, i already tried google |
| 20:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: So there's the download URL and the install guide, what more do you want/ |
| 20:21.15 | greycat | Phrk_: not very well, apparently |
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| 20:21.41 | greycat | First google search I tried, second result is https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:22.16 | Phrk_ | wow greycat my life saver |
| 20:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | Developers. Bah. |
| 20:22.29 | Phrk_ | jhutchins_wk, i dont find the link on your page |
| 20:22.56 | jhutchins_wk | :18 < jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:24.30 | Phrk_ | thx guys /° |
| 20:24.46 | sIRwa2 | http://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/debian-cdimage/jessie_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:25.04 | greycat | that's very old |
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| 20:25.18 | tw | there's got to be a better installer image than a pre-release RC one. |
| 20:25.21 | sIRwa2 | this mirror browses quite nice is this is not correct :) |
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| 20:26.02 | sIRwa2 | http://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/debian-cdimage/ |
| 20:26.18 | sIRwa2 | have fun sIRwa2 out. |
| 20:26.53 | Phrk_ | btw, what if stretch choose a pkg that would be unsupported in 3 month ? |
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| 20:28.24 | greycat | If upstream support is removed, the Debian packagers will either choose to support it themselves (unlikely), or they'll remove the package from Debian for future releases. |
| 20:28.46 | greycat | Existing stable releases of the package will probably remain untouched until a security bug is found. |
| 20:29.11 | jhutchins_wk | If it's just a version that goes out of support it's usually maintained by the packagers with backported patches. |
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| 20:29.32 | Phrk_ | jeez, i dunno why the guy didnt choose the next version |
| 20:29.35 | mefistofeles | hello, any reason why python-stdeb has the pypi-install but python3-stdeb doesn't have an alternative? |
| 20:29.40 | Phrk_ | it was already out when they freezed |
| 20:29.51 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: Has to do with how the software gets into testing and when testing gets frozen. |
| 20:30.11 | lionrouge | hi ! |
| 20:30.17 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: Like I said, if it's just an older version chances are the debian package is patched. |
| 20:30.19 | Phrk_ | ye i know but its was already out when they freez |
| 20:30.24 | lionrouge | how to create default values for all new users for dconf values? |
| 20:30.32 | lionrouge | i'm using Debian 9 XFCE |
| 20:30.54 | Phrk_ | jhutchins_wk, lol so it will be a frankenstein pkg |
| 20:31.13 | Phrk_ | well dont get me wrong, same shit with other distrib |
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| 20:33.20 | jhutchins_wk | Phrk_: It's like redhat will be patching/supporting PHP 5.3 through the EOL of RH6. |
| 20:33.31 | jhutchins_wk | lionrouge: https://developer.gnome.org/dconf/unstable/dconf-overview.html |
| 20:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | lionrouge: I suppose you could try dpkg-reconfigure dconf |
| 20:33.58 | lionrouge | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
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| 20:37.01 | Phrk_ | redhat my god, it's worst |
| 20:37.31 | mrjayribs | What about centos? basically the same thing yeah |
| 20:37.33 | mrjayribs | ?* |
| 20:37.43 | Phrk_ | it's only here because rich guy trust it because there is money behind it |
| 20:38.01 | Phrk_ | yeah i dunno centos |
| 20:38.12 | Phrk_ | but same old pkg |
| 20:38.14 | annadane | try to limit the chatter; this is a support channel |
| 20:38.46 | annadane | there's #debian-offtopic if you like |
| 20:39.07 | Phrk_ | debian gestapo :) ok i mute |
| 20:39.52 | Phrk_ | but since i'm the only one talking |
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| 20:45.54 | fluffyduff | i am looking forward to getting wireguard into debian |
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| 20:48.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wireguard |
| 20:48.54 | judd | No package named 'wireguard' was found in amd64. |
| 20:49.39 | jhutchins_wk | Hmn, supposed to be in unstable. |
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| 20:56.01 | fluffyduff | ah cool will take a look |
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| 20:57.33 | fluffyduff | yes, it is in sid |
| 20:57.41 | fluffyduff | https://packages.debian.org/sid/wireguard-dkms |
| 20:57.55 | fluffyduff | yes! awesome! |
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| 21:00.35 | annadane | fluffyduff, but don't mix sid and stable packages |
| 21:00.43 | annadane | !ssb |
| 21:00.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:01.42 | fluffyduff | i am not going too, just happy it is in unstable and will eventually come to stable (hopefully) |
| 21:01.50 | fluffyduff | thanks for mentioning |
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| 21:51.30 | leibniz | yo |
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| 21:51.36 | leibniz | is anyone avaliable to help? |
| 21:51.39 | leibniz | zmod? |
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| 21:53.05 | doslas | hi |
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| 21:57.32 | annadane | leibniz, just ask your question |
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| 22:00.10 | doslas | RSS in debian |
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| 22:01.54 | annadane | doslas, i use liferea which is quite nice |
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| 22:03.27 | doslas | Ok thank you, I'll try it. |
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| 22:08.56 | doslas | virtualbox Does not exist |
| 22:09.13 | doslas | in synabtic |
| 22:09.38 | annadane | doslas, it's in backports |
| 22:09.40 | annadane | !backports |
| 22:09.40 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:09.56 | annadane | er |
| 22:10.01 | annadane | !debian-backports |
| 22:10.01 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 22:10.18 | annadane | okay, that's probably too much information for a simple request |
| 22:10.51 | doslas | virtualbox-qt |
| 22:11.14 | doslas | virtualbox-qt: |
| 22:11.14 | doslas | Package virtualbox-qt has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 22:11.14 | doslas | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list |
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| 22:11.50 | fluffyduff | yes i was missing virtualbox as well |
| 22:12.01 | doslas | exists but refuses |
| 22:12.06 | fluffyduff | i tried qemu instead, which also works quite well |
| 22:13.06 | annadane | doslas, edit your sources list so that it has this line: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free then type apt update and do apt -t stretch-backports install virtualbox-qt |
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| 22:13.49 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 22:13.55 | user__93459 | this can also be done from the Software & Updates app on the Other Software tab |
| 22:14.07 | annadane | right, you're using synaptic |
| 22:14.12 | annadane | which i'm not wholly familiar with |
| 22:14.19 | fluffyduff | yes, it is in backports |
| 22:14.31 | doslas | yes |
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| 22:16.01 | fluffyduff | so apt-get should work, i am not sure how to get packages from backports via synaptic as well |
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| 22:17.10 | annadane | anyway, what i said will work if you're brave enough to use the terminal |
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| 22:18.13 | doslas | i can do it |
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| 22:18.25 | user__93459 | terminal is probably best because editing sources in GUI for me always results in the cache refresh freezing |
| 22:18.53 | user__93459 | thinking about filing a bug report on that when i get the time |
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| 22:19.16 | annadane | terminal can probably also give you more information than synaptic and i prefer it in general |
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| 22:20.13 | doslas | annadane, Thank you so much, problem solved. |
| 22:20.21 | annadane | :) |
| 22:20.26 | user__93459 | that's great! :D |
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| 22:21.05 | doslas | A lot of options have emerged. |
| 22:21.37 | doslas | What did he choose to install? |
| 22:21.49 | annadane | sorry? |
| 22:22.07 | doslas | virtualbox or virtualbox-qt? |
| 22:22.19 | doslas | or .... |
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| 22:23.01 | doslas | virtualbox-source |
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| 22:23.18 | annadane | afaik virtualbox-qt has a GUI whereas regular virtualbox doesn't |
| 22:24.34 | doslas | ok thankyou so much |
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| 22:24.48 | user__93459 | a problem was solved for me because of this too :) |
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| 22:25.04 | user__93459 | apparantly I was inputting malformed sources into the GUI and that is why it was hanging |
| 22:25.14 | annadane | but because virtualbox is a dependency of virtualbox-qt it means you also installed virtualbox when you installed qt |
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| 22:28.30 | doslas | annadane, Yes, I already noticed that. :) |
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| 22:29.15 | doslas | annadane, I'm grateful to you. thanks |
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| 22:30.13 | doslas | i will try liferea now |
| 22:30.57 | annadane | liferea *isn't* in backports. :P you can just apt install it |
| 22:31.21 | annadane | (or use synaptic i guess) |
| 22:31.24 | annadane | (frowny face) |
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| 22:34.10 | doslas | :) |
| 22:34.14 | doslas | How do I know the RSS link for the site? |
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| 22:35.08 | annadane | i typically just add the page i want by "subscriptions - new subscription" |
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| 22:35.21 | annadane | not all sites have RSS feeds however |
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| 22:36.54 | annadane | ah, new subscription is also in the top bar anyway (on sid, probably the same in stretch) |
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| 22:41.39 | doslas | How do I add a channel link on YouTube? |
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| 22:44.12 | annadane | i don't know, let me see if it even works like that |
| 22:44.24 | annadane | (i am not an expert on liferea) |
| 22:45.10 | annadane | doslas, i just tried it and you can just put in the url like any other site |
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| 22:45.59 | doslas | yes :) |
| 22:46.07 | doslas | i do this |
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| 22:48.57 | annadane | i'm going shopping, if you have any other questions i'm sure someone else here can field them |
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| 22:49.47 | doslas | annadane, OK Thank you |
| 22:50.14 | doslas | Nice to meet you. |
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| 22:57.54 | andrej | Looking at /var/log/apt/history.log ... when running an install via ansible I see both -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold |
| 22:57.58 | andrej | which of these two options takes? |
| 22:58.02 | andrej | My problem is that installing a random package seemingly replaced the machines exim4 config with the package-maintainers one ... not cool, especially if the package is unrelated to exim ;/ |
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| 23:29.22 | eterrorists | sup |
| 23:29.39 | eterrorists | hi |
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| 23:39.19 | IHaveNoName | Idk why i aint sleeping lol im started my frist set of year11 mocks |
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| 23:45.21 | sioux_ | qual programa usar to boot debian net install no windows |
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| 23:45.31 | sioux_ | ops ! |
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| 23:46.33 | sioux_ | which the ideal program to use usb boot on windows? |
| 23:47.43 | annadane | sioux_, you mean for copying a debian iso to a usb? win32diskimager |
| 23:47.46 | annadane | !win32diskimager |
| 23:47.46 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 23:48.25 | iflema | rufus |
| 23:48.29 | sioux_ | annadane: tks! ;) |
| 23:48.35 | annadane | no, not rufus |
| 23:48.37 | annadane | rufus is bad |
| 23:49.33 | toruvinn | bad rufus, bad! sit! ;-) |
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| 23:50.42 | annadane | *i* used rufus, back when i didn't know what i was doing. it completely mangled the installer. |
| 23:50.47 | annadane | do not recommend |
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| 23:51.10 | iflema | pffff |
| 23:51.24 | toruvinn | hrmf worked for me. |
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| 23:52.40 | iflema | what do the kids use these days i wonder |
| 23:52.44 | iflema | lol |
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| 23:53.50 | NEOalquimista | I used LiLi for a long time, but I was so noob. It worked though. |
| 23:53.54 | iflema | with all these bad ideas flying around... |
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| 23:54.31 | iflema | rpis and what not |
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