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| 00:01.32 | bubb1 | I want to download kali linux and bort it on my USB |
| 00:01.39 | bubb1 | Boot* |
| 00:02.14 | bubb1 | But I cant find the ISO file Im pretty nooby |
| 00:02.31 | dvs | !kali |
| 00:02.31 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 00:22.17 | bubb1 | I got no one responding in #kali-linux-arms. I canât find that channel you are talking about either. I just want a ISO file for kali linux. But all I get is a mess of files from the official website for images. Does anybody know here How to get a proper ISO file from linux website. I just want the diskimage file, not all this mess: .disk, boot, dists, efi, firmware, install, isolinux, live, pool, |
| 00:22.17 | bubb1 | tools, autorun, efi, g2ldr, g2ldr.mbr, md5sum, setup, win32-loader |
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| 00:24.11 | dvs | We don't know kali in #debian |
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| 00:27.00 | enerlona | hi? |
| 00:27.05 | bubb1 | Ji |
| 00:27.07 | bubb1 | Hi |
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| 00:27.23 | enerlona | is it oke to ask a question? |
| 00:27.26 | patterson | http download says it's downloading iso |
| 00:28.17 | enerlona | after manual install debian. i get a black screen what to do? i never entered the grub |
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| 00:30.30 | enerlona | someone? |
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| 00:31.33 | slipttees | Hi guys. I have an little question. Install debian stretch minimal + gnome. But now, need change gnome for lxde? how install lxde and remove gnome 3? |
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| 00:32.45 | slipttees | install lxde <sudo apt-get install lxde> how full remove gnome? |
| 00:34.44 | enerlona | no one answer here too bad |
| 00:35.10 | slipttees | enerlona: maybe i can help you, talk |
| 00:35.31 | dvs | !tell slipttees about remove gnome |
| 00:35.51 | enerlona | well i was installing debian ( im a noob) but after install i just get a black screen with a underscore above |
| 00:35.52 | dvs | that needs updating |
| 00:36.44 | slipttees | enerlona: okay... u need desktop envaroment |
| 00:37.03 | ransur0t | enerlona: ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 00:37.35 | enerlona | i will try righy now |
| 00:37.35 | ransur0t | can you get to tty? |
| 00:38.10 | slipttees | enerlona: how desktop u like? gnome, lxde, kde? u know rigth? |
| 00:38.34 | slipttees | dvs: dpkg --get-selections | awk '{if ($2=="install") print $1}' > gnome_pkgs && cat gnome_pkgs | grep gnome | xargs -l1 apt-get --purge remove -y # apt-get autoremove --purge -y |
| 00:38.59 | slipttees | dvs: thanks! ;-) |
| 00:39.11 | enerlona | ctrl alt f1 is not working tho |
| 00:39.12 | dvs | oh, no prob |
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| 00:40.36 | slipttees | enerlona: black screen type user? cursor blink? |
| 00:40.43 | Krennic | /b 31 |
| 00:41.03 | enerlona | yes like a underscore blinking |
| 00:41.05 | ransur0t | when you boot, do you reach grub boot menu? |
| 00:41.09 | enerlona | no |
| 00:41.28 | slipttees | enerlona: type you user and password |
| 00:41.46 | slipttees | enerlona: hummm.... |
| 00:42.11 | fuzzybuzz | what is the most stable/conservative torrent client in debian? |
| 00:42.13 | enerlona | i finished installing the debian. it said take out your boot usb so i did |
| 00:42.19 | enerlona | and now i got a black screen |
| 00:42.33 | fuzzybuzz | no desktop was installed? |
| 00:42.47 | enerlona | no :( |
| 00:43.03 | fuzzybuzz | do you remember your root password? |
| 00:43.09 | enerlona | yes |
| 00:43.42 | fuzzybuzz | type in root(enter)yourpassword(enter) |
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| 00:45.37 | slipttees | by gnome |
| 00:45.53 | slipttees | bye bye slow gnome! ?D |
| 00:46.16 | fuzzybuzz | i use lxde, it is all i need |
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| 00:46.42 | dvs | edlin is all I need! |
| 00:46.59 | slipttees | lxde rules kk |
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| 00:49.09 | fuzzybuzz | i want to create an apt-transport for torrents, like apt-transport-debtorrent |
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| 00:49.45 | fuzzybuzz | the idea is to fetch the whole repository once and put it in a torrent file. |
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| 00:50.09 | fuzzybuzz | then each day an new torrent file is created for the updates |
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| 00:50.41 | fuzzybuzz | (created automatically) |
| 00:51.41 | fuzzybuzz | all the packages versions will be kept in a torrents.gz file, which tells apt which torrent it needs to download to download the actual package. |
| 00:52.05 | fuzzybuzz | is this a good idea? |
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| 00:52.19 | fuzzybuzz | i would like to get in contact with the debtorrent folks |
| 00:52.43 | Krennic | b 21 |
| 00:55.14 | fuzzybuzz | b 21 is the very short version of "grow up"? :-) |
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| 00:59.30 | enerlona | hi |
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| 01:00.09 | enerlona | anyone active? |
| 01:01.03 | annadane | enerlona, just ask your question |
| 01:01.11 | annadane | oh |
| 01:01.15 | annadane | i see you were here before |
| 01:01.27 | enerlona | yes im still stuck :( |
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| 01:03.09 | fuzzybuzz | maybe the easiest thing is to reinstall and chosing to also install an desktop environment |
| 01:03.17 | annadane | i see ctrl alt f1 didn't work, can you try f2 through f6? |
| 01:03.32 | annadane | also how did you write the image to your install medium? what program/method? |
| 01:03.47 | enerlona | i went all the way to f12 with it :$ |
| 01:03.57 | fuzzybuzz | ah did not get this |
| 01:04.01 | annadane | it's possible grub just isn't loading |
| 01:04.10 | annadane | or installed in the wrong partition somehow |
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| 01:04.54 | enerlona | i wanted to make a n encrypted internal hard drive partition and access it with a USB flash drive boot key |
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| 01:06.28 | annadane | i'll be back, i need to reboot some updates |
| 01:06.38 | enerlona | okii |
| 01:07.18 | fuzzybuzz | did you put the boot sector onto the usb drive? |
| 01:07.45 | enerlona | yes |
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| 01:09.21 | enerlona | brb |
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| 01:10.05 | annadane | okay, so let me scroll up and get a better understanding of your problem |
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| 01:10.46 | annadane | okay, well. |
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| 01:11.36 | annadane | if you can't access a virtual terminal and you don't have a live image i would say you should just reinstall; i'm not sure what wrong during your install |
| 01:11.53 | annadane | enerlona, how did you put the iso on the install media? |
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| 01:15.02 | enerlona | i have used rufus |
| 01:15.11 | annadane | okay, so rufus is generally bad |
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| 01:15.25 | annadane | if you're on windows, i would rewrite the image using win32diskimager |
| 01:15.27 | annadane | !win32diskimager |
| 01:15.28 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 01:15.59 | annadane | (see guys?) |
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| 01:16.26 | fuzzybuzz | wow, it's so much more reliable! |
| 01:16.48 | fuzzybuzz | (acting like in a commercial) ;-) |
| 01:16.53 | enerlona | oke give me some time :$ |
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| 01:17.23 | annadane | things like rufus and unetbootin generally corrupt the image and are to be avoided |
| 01:18.41 | fuzzybuzz | you can check the image hashsum if you want to be sure |
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| 01:20.44 | enerlona | oki its installed |
| 01:20.55 | enerlona | will download a new iso. because i was still using the 9.1 |
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| 01:21.34 | annadane | if you're using the netinst iso it shouldn't be necessary to download 9.2 as it should update automatically |
| 01:21.58 | annadane | but i suppose it's always good to have a newer version available |
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| 01:23.17 | enerlona | oke u gonna laugh, i also think i used the wrong installer. this 9.2 is like 3.7gb the other was only 250 mb :$ |
| 01:23.32 | fuzzybuzz | its dvd 1 probably |
| 01:23.46 | fuzzybuzz | should be fine |
| 01:23.46 | annadane | you're probably using the dvd for the 3.7gb one, right |
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| 01:23.58 | enerlona | yes |
| 01:24.17 | annadane | if you have an internet connection you can just https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 01:24.59 | annadane | i am assuming you're on amd64 (most people are) so what you probably want is https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:25.21 | enerlona | yes i am |
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| 01:28.08 | annadane | you can take a look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ which may be helpful |
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| 01:32.55 | enerlona | oeps dced |
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| 01:33.17 | annadane | you can take a look at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ which may be helpful |
| 01:33.41 | enerlona | thnx |
| 01:33.48 | enerlona | hash is zero, just started the writing on the usb |
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| 01:37.09 | enerlona | well will try again the whole install |
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| 01:38.03 | dcxaq | hi |
| 01:38.06 | dcxaq | plz help me with acpi |
| 01:38.17 | annadane | dcxaq, sure, ask your question |
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| 01:38.29 | dcxaq | ok so in my laptop there is fn(function key) and there is fn + f1 that have sleep. when i click it a window open, name xfce4-session-logout . and I want to override it to something else. any idea how to do it? I tried to look on the key using acpi_listen program but i don't know how to continue after that |
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| 01:38.56 | dcxaq | annadane: i dont have anything in /etc/acpi/events and not in /etc/acpi I created a script |
| 01:39.15 | annadane | well, i don't know the answer to that; someone else probably does |
| 01:39.18 | annadane | i don't really use xfce |
| 01:39.21 | dcxaq | annadane: i created 2 files one in /etc/acpi: sleepbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 01:39.26 | dcxaq | that's xfce problem? |
| 01:39.44 | dcxaq | annadane: xfce doesn't provide acpi, it isn't part of xfce or part of any desktop |
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| 01:40.48 | dcxaq | help? |
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| 01:41.28 | somiaj | dcxaq: that key combo is producing some code that xfce, you can change the keybinding to do other things. |
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| 01:42.01 | dcxaq | somiaj: i tried but no avail |
| 01:42.09 | annadane | oh, right. probably conflicting keybinds |
| 01:42.22 | dcxaq | annadane: i tried but no avail |
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| 01:42.45 | somiaj | you could figure out what keycode is being geneated, but you would have to do this without xfce running so xev could see what key was being pressed |
| 01:43.05 | annadane | dcxaq, when you say you want to change it to "something else" it depends on what you want to accomplish specifically, may be a simple solution |
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| 01:43.30 | dcxaq | somiaj: button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000000 K |
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| 01:44.05 | dcxaq | annadane: i want it to lock the desktop and go to sleep |
| 01:44.14 | somiaj | I would see what xev says about it, then yuo know what key to bind it too. |
| 01:44.22 | dcxaq | idk how to use xev |
| 01:44.23 | somiaj | it might just be called SLEEP by xorg. |
| 01:44.55 | iflema | yawns |
| 01:44.56 | dcxaq | xev is very difficult |
| 01:45.08 | somiaj | run xev from a console, it opens up a window and records events such as key presses |
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| 01:45.58 | dcxaq | somiaj: but i cant find something there |
| 01:45.58 | somiaj | though most likely it is sleep, look up xfce's key bindings. |
| 01:46.09 | dcxaq | how to look on xfce's keybindings? |
| 01:46.19 | somiaj | well if xfce is running, it won't produce any output because xfce will intercept the event and xev won't see it |
| 01:46.32 | dcxaq | i dont think i can see it |
| 01:46.34 | somiaj | there isn't a setting for this under its menus? |
| 01:46.42 | dcxaq | somiaj: keyboard shortcuts? |
| 01:46.47 | fuzzybuzz | thats not the case under lxde though |
| 01:46.51 | fuzzybuzz | i just tried it |
| 01:46.57 | dcxaq | fuzzybuzz: what did you try? |
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| 01:47.34 | fuzzybuzz | starting xev and seeing events |
| 01:47.41 | somiaj | Try using this, Settings > Window Manager, Keyboard tab |
| 01:47.51 | somiaj | and look through the keybindings |
| 01:47.56 | dcxaq | somiaj: its nice you know these stuff. i see only MotionNotify event |
| 01:48.06 | dcxaq | and KeymapNotify |
| 01:48.15 | fuzzybuzz | ah, xfce catches the keybinding, i get it now |
| 01:48.21 | fuzzybuzz | my bad |
| 01:48.37 | somiaj | Yea, that is why I suggested running an xorg session with only xev and no xfce so you could see the event the key triggered |
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| 01:48.55 | somiaj | then bind the correct action tot hat key. Though it is most likely SLEEP so you canlook that up in the keybindings |
| 01:49.08 | dcxaq | somiaj: i dont know how to do that :< |
| 01:49.09 | somiaj | I don't really use xfce, but there should be a way to configure those. I found this with google https://askubuntu.com/questions/807919/how-do-i-configure-the-superd-keybinding-in-xfce-to-show-desktop |
| 01:49.58 | dcxaq | but mine is function key |
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| 01:50.50 | somiaj | no, its if fn+some other key, which triggers a single keypress event. |
| 01:51.43 | dcxaq | it's fn+f1 |
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| 01:52.09 | somiaj | okay, but what matters is the key event that gets triggerd so you can bind it. But just look through the defaults in xfce |
| 01:52.25 | dcxaq | i cant see it in xfce settings |
| 01:52.25 | iflema | also theres a8 in #debain-xfce |
| 01:52.31 | iflema | 18* |
| 01:52.32 | dcxaq | thats not XFCE |
| 01:52.48 | dcxaq | iflema: xfce doesn't provide acpi, it isn't part of xfce or part of any desktop |
| 01:53.06 | annadane | i have xfce installed as one of my desktops so i can quickly look and see if i can find stuff |
| 01:53.19 | dcxaq | annadane: so where is it? |
| 01:53.34 | annadane | well, where is what? i'm not really following the conversation too well |
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| 01:53.43 | dcxaq | ok |
| 01:53.45 | annadane | default keyboard shortcuts? |
| 01:53.46 | dcxaq | somiaj: mind you help? |
| 01:53.47 | iflema | dcxaq: acpi... what about it? Are you not try to reassigna keyboard shortcut? |
| 01:53.59 | dcxaq | iflema: i did try to reassign but it didn't work |
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| 01:55.17 | annadane | if you just need to see what the default shortcuts are i'm certain there's something for that |
| 01:55.33 | annadane | i can briefly look for it but it should be in the applications menu... |
| 01:55.57 | dcxaq | annadane: i looked it's not there |
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| 01:56.26 | dcxaq | i didn't see any fn keys in xfce shortcut |
| 01:56.34 | dcxaq | it's ACPI thing im pretty sure |
| 01:56.38 | dcxaq | so #debian problem |
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| 02:00.31 | dcxaq | help plz |
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| 02:03.28 | iflema | busy... not reading about this... reading about something else |
| 02:04.15 | annadane | i'm just having a hard time understanding what you're looking for other than somiaj's suggestion, do you just want to find the place where you can configure keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 02:04.57 | annadane | it may be in settings manager |
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| 02:06.40 | annadane | dcxaq, ^ |
| 02:07.20 | dcxaq | annadane: ok so in my laptop there is fn(function key) and there is fn + f1 that have sleep. when i click it a window open, name xfce4-session-logout . and I want to override it to something else. any idea how to do it? I tried to look on the key using acpi_listen program but i don't know how to continue after that |
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| 02:07.48 | annadane | dcxaq, i know that part, you already said that |
| 02:08.01 | enerluna | well erasing data on partition -.- gonna take a long time tho |
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| 02:08.40 | annadane | dcxaq, did you try using xenv |
| 02:08.46 | annadane | xev* |
| 02:09.02 | dcxaq | yes |
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| 02:09.15 | somiaj | from a session not running xfce, maybe a session that is only running an xterm. |
| 02:09.18 | dcxaq | did you see what somiaj wrote? |
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| 02:09.30 | dcxaq | how can i not run xfce |
| 02:09.35 | dcxaq | to move tty? |
| 02:09.47 | annadane | virtual terminal; alt f1 through f6 |
| 02:09.54 | dcxaq | and then what |
| 02:09.55 | dcxaq | run xev? |
| 02:09.57 | dcxaq | it's gui app |
| 02:10.02 | somiaj | well you'll have to run an xorg session that isn't xfce |
| 02:10.14 | annadane | oh, does it rely on xorg? sorry |
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| 02:10.23 | dcxaq | how can i run xorg session |
| 02:10.41 | somiaj | if your login manager has a default session, just put the command 'exec /usr/bin/xterm' in ~/.xsession and use the default session |
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| 02:11.37 | dcxaq | i dont understand how to do that |
| 02:11.52 | dcxaq | i have lightdm |
| 02:12.02 | dcxaq | and what do we look for? |
| 02:12.06 | dcxaq | how is it going to help me? |
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| 02:13.30 | dcxaq | somiaj: help? |
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| 02:14.09 | somiaj | I just explained what to do. Put 'exec /usr/bin/xterm' in ~/.xsession and then login with the 'default' session |
| 02:14.41 | annadane | dcxaq, general advice, when dealing with technical issues, slow down a bit |
| 02:14.56 | dcxaq | do i have to restart? |
| 02:15.13 | dcxaq | ls: cannot access '/home/dcxaq/.xsession': No such file or directory |
| 02:15.31 | dcxaq | annadane: its 5 AM :O |
| 02:15.50 | enerluna | jup -.- it is |
| 02:16.02 | annadane | well, fair enough |
| 02:16.15 | fuzzybuzz | another reason to slow down i guess |
| 02:17.02 | dcxaq | i dont have .xsession |
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| 02:18.01 | somiaj | dcxaq: so create one |
| 02:18.14 | dcxaq | do i have to restart after that? |
| 02:18.52 | somiaj | just logout |
| 02:19.03 | dcxaq | and then what? |
| 02:19.06 | dcxaq | i forget.. |
| 02:19.08 | somiaj | then from lightdm select the default session |
| 02:19.25 | somiaj | then you should log into xorg, and the only thing running is an xterm (make sure you have xterm installed ro change the term that is run) |
| 02:19.38 | somiaj | after that you can run xev from xterm and hit the keybinding and see what is reported. |
| 02:19.49 | dcxaq | ok brb |
| 02:20.16 | enerluna | if debian still isnt running in 1 hour i will trow that pc out of the window |
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| 02:21.15 | fuzzybuzz | do you have another one? |
| 02:21.44 | enerluna | no |
| 02:22.20 | dcxaq | brb |
| 02:22.56 | fuzzybuzz | personally i would just encrypt the hdd and care about the dongle later in that case |
| 02:23.56 | fuzzybuzz | encrypt the hdd, copy the bootsector to the dongle, delete the bootsector of the hdd after testing that it works with the dongle |
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| 02:24.33 | annadane | fuzzybuzz, wrong room? |
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| 02:24.51 | dcxaq | hi |
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| 02:24.58 | dcxaq | somiaj: nothing happen |
| 02:25.20 | enerluna | dcxaq u should also trow ur pc away like me xD |
| 02:25.25 | somiaj | did you change the session to log in via lightdm? I don't use a display manager so not sure where that seting is |
| 02:25.46 | dcxaq | somiaj: i changed to xsession.. |
| 02:25.57 | dcxaq | there was 2 sessions and i click one of them but nothing do anything |
| 02:26.00 | fuzzybuzz | no, i was commenting on the debian install with the usb dongle and the encrypted hdd |
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| 02:26.41 | annadane | oh. i'm obviously tired and can't read. |
| 02:26.44 | somiaj | dcxaq: anyways it sounds like the issue is a keybinding and not an acip issue. and the window manager/desktop can trigger different actions depending on the key pressed. |
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| 02:27.05 | dcxaq | somiaj: plz help |
| 02:27.16 | dcxaq | i tried to set key shortcut for fn+f1 in xfce settings but nothing did anything |
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| 02:27.22 | dcxaq | nothing happen* |
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| 02:27.50 | somiaj | the key is not called fn+f1, the key is called 'SLEEP' or something like that |
| 02:28.13 | somiaj | it is not a key combo, but a single key (that is if your laptop sends a key binding to the os and has the os do what it wants with the binding) |
| 02:28.15 | dcxaq | on xfce i add a program to run and i press the key |
| 02:28.41 | somiaj | if your laptop is actually sending a non key event to the os, i'm unusre what to do. But since xfce opens a window, sounds like a key binding. |
| 02:29.29 | dcxaq | so how to fix it? |
| 02:29.38 | dcxaq | the thing with xsession didn't work |
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| 02:31.55 | dcxaq | somiaj: help? |
| 02:32.04 | somiaj | dcxaq: can you put this file at paste.debian.net (since I don't have a copy of it) /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml |
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| 02:32.47 | dcxaq | http://termbin.com/c8ozu |
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| 02:37.14 | dcxaq | somiaj: any idea? |
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| 02:40.44 | somiaj | nothing is sticking out. Anyways you may have to google around until you fiugre out where this setting is |
| 02:40.53 | somiaj | you can also try other wm/de and see what happens when you press the key with them. |
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| 02:41.08 | somiaj | I wish you could just get the output from xev in a blank session to see if it is a keybinding or not |
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| 02:41.38 | dcxaq | xsession didnt work!! |
| 02:41.55 | somiaj | what didn't work? |
| 02:42.02 | dcxaq | .xsession file |
| 02:42.08 | dcxaq | it didnt popup a shell |
| 02:42.55 | somiaj | do you have xterm installed? maybe use /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 02:43.03 | dcxaq | yes |
| 02:43.12 | dcxaq | the x thing is properly not work? |
| 02:46.23 | iflema | so in xfce power managment settings dialog you cant just change the sleep keypress setting from ask to sleep? |
| 02:46.51 | annadane | yeah, that was my impression as well... |
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| 02:47.15 | dcxaq | then how will i add a key? |
| 02:47.27 | dcxaq | i mean how the computer will get lock? |
| 02:47.29 | iflema | dcxaq: what do you want IT to DO |
| 02:47.38 | dcxaq | to lock and sleep |
| 02:48.01 | iflema | power managment settings and change from ask to sleep |
| 02:48.04 | iflema | it should lock |
| 02:48.11 | iflema | on sleep |
| 02:48.14 | dcxaq | it not |
| 02:48.18 | iflema | there must be a setting for that |
| 02:48.23 | dcxaq | where |
| 02:48.44 | iflema | i dont use that crap |
| 02:48.47 | annadane | applications menu - settings - power management? from memory |
| 02:48.51 | annadane | i don't have xfce open right now |
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| 02:49.02 | dcxaq | brb |
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| 02:53.37 | dcxaq_ | hi. i tried to also add in vim /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc but it didn't work.. |
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| 02:53.45 | dcxaq_ | and also in .xsession and .xprofile |
| 02:53.58 | somiaj | !xession |
| 02:54.02 | somiaj | !xsession |
| 02:54.02 | dpkg | Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as well as *most* Display Manager logins. See https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 02:54.04 | annadane | it's probably not a good idea to stick it in every single path you can find |
| 02:54.07 | juon | Hi |
| 02:54.26 | annadane | take those out before doing anything else so you don't run into problems later |
| 02:54.31 | somiaj | dcxaq_: maybe just run 'startx -- :2', maybe lightdm doens't have a default session to read it. |
| 02:54.44 | somiaj | .xsession should be all you need to change. |
| 02:54.46 | dcxaq_ | to run where |
| 02:54.48 | juon | I'm use Debian Testing, I want to use the DDE Deepin Desktop Enviroement on Debian, it is possible ? |
| 02:55.12 | dcxaq_ | what is startx -- :2 do? |
| 02:55.14 | somiaj | juon: I haven't heard of it, is it even included in debian? |
| 02:55.25 | somiaj | dcxaq_: runs an xsession on a different display |
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| 02:56.02 | annadane | ,v deepin |
| 02:56.03 | judd | No package named 'deepin' was found in amd64. |
| 02:56.16 | juon | somiaj, I dont undestand, I know that have to the Ubuntu, but I dont see to Debian |
| 02:56.35 | juon | somiaj, https://www.deepin.org/en/dde/desktop-transplantation/ |
| 02:56.36 | annadane | actually if it's a de deepin probably isn't the name of it |
| 02:56.39 | annadane | one sec |
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| 02:56.55 | somiaj | juon: if it isn't already packaged for debian you'll have to compile/build it yourself. This is possible. |
| 02:57.15 | annadane | yeah, so, apparently not in debian |
| 02:57.33 | juon | I'm dont be a developer, but I try to make it... |
| 02:57.56 | juon | I add the source list the deepin on debian |
| 02:58.06 | juon | And thy to find the dde |
| 02:58.34 | annadane | well, if it's not in debian it won't be anything you can add in your sources list |
| 02:59.03 | somiaj | juon: you will most likely have to build it from source, in which case you should look into their documentation on how to do this. |
| 02:59.31 | annadane | from the link you posted, it seems like it's a ppa in ubuntu so you can probably check out https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA or, as somiaj says, build from source |
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| 03:00.27 | annadane | (do not add ubuntu ppa's in your sources list, this creates a frankendebian) |
| 03:00.46 | juon | I thought that ubuntu packages served in debian, it's complicated only if the derived distributions are used from the packages of the parent distributions |
| 03:00.48 | iflema | lool |
| 03:00.56 | juon | https://launchpad.net/~leaeasy/+archive/ubuntu/dde |
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| 03:01.37 | annadane | juon, mixing ubuntu and debian packages will result in breakage no matter what |
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| 03:01.45 | dcxaq | hi |
| 03:01.48 | annadane | (probably. not in all circumstances) |
| 03:01.58 | dcxaq | so i able to do that |
| 03:02.02 | annadane | good |
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| 03:02.12 | dcxaq | somiaj: |
| 03:03.08 | dcxaq | keyrelease event, serial 29, synthetic, ... keysysm 0x1008ff2f, xF86sleep |
| 03:03.10 | juon | I think I already broke my system, if I remove the lines from the source list and update again, can I go back to what it was? |
| 03:03.20 | juon | annadane, |
| 03:03.54 | annadane | if you remove packages you have installed from ubuntu, probably. you may want to post your sources list to paste.debian.net so we can look at it anyway |
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| 03:04.08 | dcxaq | somiaj: help? |
| 03:04.11 | annadane | for future reference, testing questions go in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net but this is probably almost resolved anyway |
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| 03:08.29 | juon | annadane, http://paste.debian.net/989951/ |
| 03:09.31 | annadane | hm, well, i don't see anything from ubuntu there, unless you already removed it |
| 03:09.39 | annadane | but i guess that's fine |
| 03:10.14 | annadane | that being said |
| 03:10.17 | annadane | !debian multimedia |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 03:11.20 | annadane | and i'm not sure about the deepin entry, i don't know enough to comment whether or not that's a problem |
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| 03:13.39 | somiaj | deepin is its own os, you don't want to mix. And now that I look at it, building the desktop may not be an easy task in deepin. Why not just use deepin? |
| 03:14.19 | juon | I want the Debian Kernel, I want only the Aparence of Deepin |
| 03:14.37 | iflema | run arch on a debian kernel |
| 03:15.25 | iflema | run deepin on a debian |
| 03:15.30 | iflema | run deepin |
| 03:16.26 | enerluna | the second usb that i will be using for the encryption |
| 03:16.39 | enerluna | should be the one choose for grub installation right |
| 03:16.51 | annadane | juon, if you want the appearence of deepin you most probably can customize it to look like it on just about any desktop environment/window manager |
| 03:17.05 | iflema | annadane: no |
| 03:17.13 | iflema | not really |
| 03:17.26 | annadane | *shrug* |
| 03:17.27 | iflema | deepin is odd |
| 03:17.47 | juon | annadane, I want only it,https://launchpad.net/~leaeasy/+archive/ubuntu/dde |
| 03:17.54 | juon | https://launchpad.net/~leaeasy/+archive/ubuntu/dde |
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| 03:18.20 | iflema | it probably runs better on Arch |
| 03:18.21 | annadane | oh, whoops |
| 03:18.26 | annadane | *that*'s the entry, not ubuntu stuff |
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| 03:18.52 | annadane | so, right, take out the deepin entry and the debian multimedia stuff and try building it from source |
| 03:18.55 | juon | iflema, In arch linux the guys want to make it, |
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| 03:19.16 | juon | iflema, but I dont know use Arch Linux .. |
| 03:19.24 | annadane | though that being said it's maybe a bit much to entirely remove multimedia |
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| 03:19.40 | annadane | you should at least not mix with deepin |
| 03:19.59 | juon | Yes |
| 03:20.32 | annadane | my guess as i said before is you may be able to https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
| 03:21.08 | iflema | i suppose you could hack a deepin'ish fing from some other DE but why |
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| 03:21.40 | annadane | well, looks a bit similar to xfce |
| 03:22.10 | annadane | but anyway i know literally nothing about it |
| 03:22.33 | iflema | you should spin up deepin... i say give it a look |
| 03:22.58 | iflema | its something |
| 03:23.00 | enerluna | oke annadane and fuzzbuzz its not installing the final software for debian |
| 03:23.20 | enerluna | if its finished i will remove all usb and hope it will restart in to debian |
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| 03:23.33 | annadane | enerluna, which final software? |
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| 03:24.01 | enerluna | well just installing debian lol "select and install software" |
| 03:24.06 | iflema | I might have a look its been a few years... |
| 03:24.07 | annadane | it's not working? |
| 03:24.26 | enerluna | 35 % yet |
| 03:24.35 | annadane | ah, okay, so it's still going |
| 03:24.44 | annadane | that step does often take a while |
| 03:24.59 | enerluna | yea i rlly wanna sleep tho xD |
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| 03:26.39 | annadane | ugh, sorry for the confusion with the whole deepin thing. i should not be giving technical support past 11 PM |
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| 03:28.01 | annadane | juon, in all honesty with all those third party repositories you probably have a borked system anyway but that's kind of a more subtle issue |
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| 03:28.55 | juon | All right people, thank you very much, I'll try to do this from the PPA. |
| 03:28.59 | juon | annadane, |
| 03:29.00 | annadane | it's Probably Fine(TM) |
| 03:29.14 | annadane | juon, well, okay, but keep in mind what i said about PPAs |
| 03:29.21 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 03:29.21 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:30.01 | juon | annadane, Thank you |
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| 03:32.03 | annadane | juon, specifically look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 03:32.29 | juon | I'm reading |
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| 03:34.23 | annadane | as a sidenote, deepin should not be hard to build from source. people build de's from source all the time. just don't do it as root |
| 03:34.53 | annadane | (which honestly not everyone even agrees with) |
| 03:36.23 | iflema | the humanity |
| 03:36.38 | juon | ok |
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| 03:38.23 | iflema | i know why oldmate doenst use deepin... it takes 2 years to download |
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| 04:36.17 | dtux | which partitions should be bootable? biosgrub or /boot? |
| 04:36.33 | dtux | (this is the scheme im configuring fwiw: https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/e9a046ef13295b53961d8857b094742e) |
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| 05:16.00 | mattsah | Anyone here use EC2? I'm trying to upgrade our instance-store paravirtual AMI to stretch and have consistently been unable to boot the resulting AMI with pv-grub producing Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure. I've completely run out of ideas at this point. If I boot the existing AMI which is still on Jessie with a mix of some unstable stuff, I can create an AMI that works fine so long as I |
| 05:16.06 | mattsah | don't do the upgrade. Anyone know what might have changed? |
| 05:17.46 | ChmEarl | mattsah, grep '64bit' /etc/mke2fs.conf <-- on stretch |
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| 05:18.55 | mattsah | It's on for ext4 |
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| 05:19.42 | mattsah | but it also appears on on the old Jessie AMI |
| 05:20.02 | ChmEarl | mattsah, if your dom0 does not support that flag, but your new domU does, then you can have conflict |
| 05:20.09 | mattsah | I did a feature comparison between the image created for stretch and the fs on a booted AMI and didn't see any differences |
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| 05:22.39 | mattsah | ChmEarl: I assume it's supported on ec2 in the zone, cause the existing filesystems seem to have it set |
| 05:23.12 | ChmEarl | mattsah, in stretch do: mkfs.ext4 -L DEB9 -O^64bit <dev> |
| 05:23.35 | ChmEarl | turn off that feature or pv-grub/pygrub won't work |
| 05:24.25 | ChmEarl | if you create the domU from scratch, I see its an upgrade |
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| 05:25.04 | mattsah | if I remove it from the conf default mkfs.ext4 will presumably not set it? |
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| 05:25.58 | ChmEarl | mattsah, yes, that disable it too |
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| 05:30.53 | mattsah | OK, thing is though, I'm not seeing that flag on the image... ec2-bundle-vol uses the flags from the existing root FS, which does not include 64bit flag |
| 05:31.55 | mattsah | Here's the tune2fs -l output on the last image I tried (which produced that error): https://pastebin.com/Ss3rnPu2 |
| 05:32.53 | ChmEarl | mattsah, its clear of that flag, its not the issue. But be ware, any ext4 filesystem made with Stretch will turn it on |
| 05:34.21 | mattsah | ChmEarl: understood, we create the AMIs and images through ec2-bundle-vol -- which is a ruby script, looking at the requisite part of that, it seems to set all flags manually and only copies what the existing root device has, so if it's run on an existing booted AMI, the flags should match that (which they do) |
| 05:35.20 | mattsah | That is, all those flags in that paste match the flags if I run tune2fs -l on a live instance with the last working AMI on which that image was created. |
| 05:35.49 | mattsah | Do you know if it's possible if pv-grub would produce that error if there was something off with the initrd? |
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| 05:40.36 | ChmEarl | mattsah, it never finds the initrd |
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| 05:48.17 | hiya | Guys, I downloaded KDE ISO from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 05:48.44 | hiya | it is 2.4GB ISO, how do I write it to a USB stick I got for boot and install |
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| 05:52.38 | pugspaw | dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdX |
| 05:53.34 | themill | or better, cp |
| 05:53.49 | hiya | cp or dd? |
| 05:54.09 | hiya | say it finalllyy |
| 05:54.27 | hiya | my hp 16G USB is waiting |
| 05:54.29 | toruvinn | hiya, cp file.iso /dev/sdX (directly to the device) works too, is what they mean |
| 05:54.48 | toruvinn | hiya, i personally use dd though (with some large bs ;-P) |
| 05:54.52 | themill | If only there was a FAQ with such things... https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 05:54.52 | hiya | it has FreeDOS right now |
| 05:55.00 | toruvinn | themill, haha |
| 05:55.07 | hiya | I would use dd |
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| 05:55.12 | themill | would not |
| 05:55.18 | hiya | Ok I would use cp |
| 05:55.21 | toruvinn | themill, "if only there was a FAQ, such as this: (...)..." ;-) |
| 05:55.22 | hiya | :D |
| 05:55.47 | toruvinn | hiya, make sure not to confuse the device name, btw. |
| 05:55.55 | toruvinn | you may overwrite something that is not your flash drive... |
| 05:56.17 | toruvinn | it's a pretty scayr moment when you try to boot from your new flashdrive just to find out it wasnt overwritten... |
| 05:57.00 | hiya | toruvinn: with Gnome Disks it was awesome, which is not the case with KDE |
| 05:57.11 | hiya | But I like KDE better to be frank with you |
| 05:58.09 | hiya | Should I use disk or partion name |
| 05:58.13 | toruvinn | i'm a fluxbox-0.1.14 guy so... ;-) |
| 05:58.25 | hiya | cp .iso /dev/sdb or sdb1 |
| 05:58.27 | toruvinn | hiya, copy it to the flashdrive, not a partition. |
| 05:58.34 | toruvinn | hiya, sdb, overwrite the whole device. |
| 05:58.35 | hiya | :D |
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| 05:58.44 | hiya | Yes this is what I want |
| 05:58.54 | hiya | Rewrite the whole USB |
| 05:59.01 | n4n0` | you better not |
| 05:59.26 | n4n0` | everyone knows nano is somewhat the friendliest editor in the world |
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| 06:00.14 | hiya | Guys, I have 9.1.0 version, not 9.2.0, is it fine? |
| 06:00.41 | hiya | or should I download latest and flash? Internet is very slow here though, might take a few hours |
| 06:01.26 | somiaj | once you install 9.1 you can upgrade to 9.2. The main difference is security patches and some bug fixes |
| 06:02.01 | toruvinn | hiya, i wouldnt bother with redownloading unless you want to install that on 1048576 different boxes later. it's a matter of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;-) |
| 06:02.27 | hiya | hmm |
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| 06:03.13 | hiya | wow it is copying |
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| 06:04.48 | annadane | themill, is there an objective reason to use cp over dd or just preference? |
| 06:05.25 | somiaj | annadane: cp has better defaults. |
| 06:05.52 | themill | and a less insane command line |
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| 06:20.03 | abff | I am stuck trying to get the bumblebee-nvidia daemon working. I can currently get `optirun glxgears` to run but no x window is created and I don't see a thing |
| 06:20.29 | waveprop | i think tmux is using unicode box draw characters instead of | |
| 06:20.39 | waveprop | to separate panes |
| 06:20.47 | waveprop | thats bad and wrong |
| 06:21.02 | abff | I think your font is wrong |
| 06:21.14 | abff | b'dong you might say |
| 06:21.16 | waveprop | i think my font is pretty |
| 06:21.20 | waveprop | lol |
| 06:21.49 | waveprop | unicrode |
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| 06:38.02 | dtux | can/should i raid the biosgrub partition? |
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| 06:38.26 | eoli4n | dtux: soft raid ? |
| 06:38.40 | dtux | eoli4n: yes |
| 06:38.42 | eoli4n | it's a non question |
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| 06:38.59 | eoli4n | if hard raid, yes you can, system doesnt see it |
| 06:39.10 | eoli4n | if soft, no you cant, because system isnt launched yet |
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| 06:39.21 | dtux | i see, thank you |
| 06:40.23 | colo-work | grub does support all linux md raid modes for /boot. even 5, 6, and 10. |
| 06:40.34 | colo-work | the problem these days is the EFI system partition |
| 06:40.48 | colo-work | which must be fat32, and can't be easily set up as RAID (except with firmware support) |
| 06:41.12 | jelly-home | who knows, it might work with md format 1.0 or 0.9 |
| 06:41.45 | colo-work | I never tried |
| 06:41.48 | dtux | i dont think the machine im installing on supports EFI (idk how to check though) |
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| 06:42.08 | eoli4n | colo-work: how can grub support soft raid, if initramfs isn't initialized yet ? |
| 06:42.30 | jelly-home | eoli4n: just like ext3, it has its own drivers. |
| 06:42.40 | colo-work | eoli4n, it can read the array/component device metadata and construct a read-onlyview of the array by itself |
| 06:42.45 | colo-work | +space |
| 06:43.01 | eoli4n | mh ok |
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| 06:43.13 | jelly-home | dtux: so you're talking about /boot partition then? |
| 06:43.34 | jelly-home | that is, partition that will house the /boot linux filesystem? |
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| 06:43.42 | dtux | jelly-home: https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/e9a046ef13295b53961d8857b094742e |
| 06:43.50 | dtux | this is what i have so far |
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| 06:44.22 | dtux | er what im going for... im looking at whether i need to set a bootable flag somewhere or not |
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| 06:44.32 | Mirabellette | Hello everyone, I have a problem with apache2 httpd on debian. I create a dns entry to toto.xxx.com, I have a titi.xxx.com virtual host, problem, when i choose to go to toto.xxx.com, with have no virtual host, I am redirected to titi.xxx.com. I wouldn't have a virtual host to toto.xxx.com but got a 403, how can I do that ? I thought about creating a virtual host zzz.xxx.com to catch the call of toto.xxx.com but it doesn't work. |
| 06:45.50 | jelly-home | dtux: I'm not familiar with gpt boot disks, what's the biosgrub partition used for? |
| 06:46.36 | donut_ | Mirabellette: you have to create a default website that catches all |
| 06:46.49 | donut_ | then add on top of that extra virtualhosts for specific sites |
| 06:47.00 | dtux | jelly-home: when booting with bios, i think the gpt spec doesnt let grub stash core.img in the space after the partition table, so you have to give it its own partition |
| 06:47.16 | dtux | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#GUID_Partition_Table_.28GPT.29_specific_instructions |
| 06:47.23 | donut_ | now it seems you have the default website serving titi.xxx.com and thus everything goes there |
| 06:47.47 | Mirabellette | I understand the principle but how do i do that ^^ |
| 06:48.00 | Mirabellette | @donut |
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| 06:49.07 | donut_ | move titi.xxx to a new virtualhost sites-available/enabled conf file and replace the default site with something else. |
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| 06:50.05 | jelly-home | dtux: in that case, do not make it md raid; just install grub to both disks, that includes stage 1.5 |
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| 06:54.22 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: create a new config file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ for your actual virtualhost and put its config there, then a2ensite it. Read: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 06:55.10 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: you can use the default virtualhost as a fallback for everything else, or create a separate new virtualhost with its own config to be used as a fallback |
| 06:55.44 | Mirabellette | My default virtual host is like that but it doesn't work |
| 06:55.45 | Mirabellette | <VirtualHost _default_:80> DocumentRoot "/www/default80" # ... </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost _default_:443> DocumentRoot "/www/default" </VirtualHost> |
| 06:55.46 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: whichever comes first in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ gets used as default/fallback |
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| 06:56.12 | dtux | jelly-home: ok, ty... know anything about the bootable flag? |
| 06:56.43 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: instead of _default_, use an IP address or * in the VirtualHost definition |
| 06:57.20 | jelly-home | use _default_ only for that site that, well, you want to be default (fallback when a VirtualHost hostname is not explicitely defined) |
| 06:57.37 | jelly-home | dtux: is that needed at all these days? |
| 06:57.55 | dtux | jelly-home: that's basically my question :p |
| 06:58.00 | jelly-home | again, no idea about bootable gpt disks |
| 06:58.30 | jelly-home | don't use it as see if things work |
| 06:58.35 | jelly-home | and* see |
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| 06:58.46 | Mirabellette | I agree but when I do that, it catch all my virtualhost to the ip address |
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| 06:59.41 | Mirabellette | To I have to do something like |
| 06:59.50 | Mirabellette | _default_192.168.1.1:80 |
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| 07:01.55 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: when you do what, precisely? Pastebin your "apachectl -S" output |
| 07:02.03 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 07:02.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 07:02.35 | Mirabelle | test |
| 07:03.57 | jelly-home | Mirabelle: when you do what, precisely? Pastebin your "apachectl -S" output |
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| 07:04.35 | Mirabellette | https://paste.debian.net/989960/ |
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| 07:06.46 | Mirabellette | I don't know how to get a default server for a specific ip |
| 07:06.57 | Mirabellette | because *:80 and *:443 didn't work |
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| 07:09.52 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: there's no such thing as a default server for a specific ip |
| 07:09.57 | jelly-home | far as I know |
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| 07:10.04 | Mirabellette | I can I do that ? :( |
| 07:10.12 | jelly-home | you get one default server |
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| 07:10.31 | jelly-home | and that one catches any and all unknown Host: s |
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| 07:10.41 | Mirabellette | this doesn't work on my apache2 :( |
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| 07:11.48 | Mirabellette | I have a default server for 192.168.1.1:80 different than with *:80 |
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| 07:12.06 | Mirabellette | then it called the default server form the 192.168.1.1 unstead of this with *:80 |
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| 07:12.57 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: your apachectl -S doesn't show anything bound specifically to 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:13.59 | Mirabellette | Because I add a virtualhost with 192.168.1.1 which catch everything |
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| 07:14.03 | Mirabellette | without it, i have this pastebin |
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| 07:14.39 | Mirabellette | https://paste.debian.net/989961/ |
| 07:14.50 | jelly-home | Mirabellette: how do you add it? Which ServerName do you put in? How does apachectl -S look then? |
| 07:16.11 | Mirabellette | I created this virtualhost |
| 07:16.11 | Mirabellette | https://paste.debian.net/989962/ |
| 07:16.20 | Mirabellette | with no serverName |
| 07:16.35 | jelly-home | why no ServerName? |
| 07:17.33 | Mirabelle | Because I want it catch everything else |
| 07:17.43 | Mirabelle | everything instead titi.xxx.com |
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| 07:19.54 | Mirabelle | I try to put it at the end zzz.default.conf |
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| 07:20.17 | jelly-home | do you use a ServerName in _any_ of your VirtualHosts? |
| 07:20.40 | Mirabelle | I do |
| 07:21.02 | Mirabelle | especially in the virtual host consider as default server |
| 07:21.26 | Mirabelle | which is always the first one |
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| 07:21.41 | jelly-home | okay, which hosts do you want to be accessible via 192.168.1.1 |
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| 07:22.02 | Mirabelle | the default virtual host |
| 07:22.13 | Mirabelle | and also xyz.xxx.com |
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| 07:22.33 | Mirabelle | I just want that titi.xxx.com is ok |
| 07:22.51 | jelly-home | so make a <VirtualHost 192.168.1.1:80> with a ServerName xyz.xxx.com |
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| 07:23.14 | Mirabelle | xyz is an example, I want to be able to catch all others than titi.xxx.com |
| 07:23.59 | jelly-home | so make a <VirtualHost 192.168.1.1:80> with a explicit ServerName titi.xxx.com |
| 07:24.05 | Mirabelle | I did |
| 07:24.26 | Mirabelle | but when I try toto.xxx.com, it is titi.xxx.com which respond |
| 07:24.42 | Mirabelle | even if it didn't have this serverName |
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| 07:25.18 | jelly-home | Mirabelle: which IP does this toto.xxx.com resolve to? |
| 07:25.40 | Mirabelle | the same on that titi.xxx.com : 192.168.1.1:80 |
| 07:25.41 | jelly-home | can you use your actual domain? |
| 07:26.00 | Mirabelle | I prefer to keep it for myself sorry |
| 07:26.01 | jelly-home | I've accidentally opened a porn site at least once. |
| 07:26.10 | jelly-home | use example.org then |
| 07:26.20 | Mirabelle | okaysorry ^^ |
| 07:26.27 | Mirabelle | toto.example.org |
| 07:26.32 | Mirabelle | titi.example.org |
| 07:26.57 | jelly-home | Mirabelle: ls -ld /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 07:26.59 | jelly-home | sorry, |
| 07:27.04 | jelly-home | Mirabelle: ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 07:28.56 | Mirabelle | https://paste.debian.net/989966/ |
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| 07:29.11 | Mirabelle | I removed the others which are not usefull |
| 07:29.13 | Mirabelle | useful |
| 07:29.27 | jelly-home | please don't omit stuff |
| 07:30.42 | Mirabelle | It is ok |
| 07:31.37 | jelly-home | maybe it's ok but I'm not willing to spend further time trying to figure out an issue with incomplete and tampered info |
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| 07:32.33 | jelly-home | Mirabelle: if noone else answers in here, try #httpd channel |
| 07:32.57 | likcoras | Where can I read documentation (ie. /usr/share/doc/...) without having to install the package locally? |
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| 07:33.39 | Mirabelle | I understand |
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| 07:35.25 | Mirabelle | Thank you very much for you help |
| 07:35.36 | Mirabelle | sorry to not do say more |
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| 07:53.09 | SUCK_MY_BALLS | SUCK MY BALLS |
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| 07:54.10 | SUCK_MY_BALLS | SUCK MY MASSIVE MANLY BALLS, BITCHES! |
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| 07:55.13 | SUCK_MY_BALLS | SwedeMike: |
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| 08:17.22 | luna_ | Updating Debian at work today too 9.2 going fine :) |
| 08:18.15 | dtux | too |
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| 08:39.28 | DK2 | any ideas for a HA-Storage? |
| 08:40.29 | FinalX | I had a look at glusterfs, but the performance was non-existent.. though that might've been my fault |
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| 08:41.12 | DK2 | is HAST still being used? |
| 08:42.43 | FinalX | isn't that a BSD-thing? |
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| 08:44.57 | lefreut | FinalX: what kind of volume did you use? hot tier? |
| 08:45.29 | lefreut | FinalX: Also gluster native client or cifs/nfs? |
| 08:45.36 | FinalX | I honestly don't remember, been quite a while ago and only tried it for a short while. Native client. |
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| 08:47.16 | DK2 | yes HAST is freebsd i think |
| 08:48.02 | lefreut | FinalX: ok :) i'll start POCing, maybe you should have used some sort of stripping to be perf wise |
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| 08:49.05 | FinalX | lefreut: let me know if you find out anything, I might give it another try. maybe it had to do with the encryption layer I tried to use, and the CPU on my main server not having AES-NI support back then. Now it does. |
| 08:49.30 | FinalX | my other servers are in different data centers, so I want the communication/datastreams encrypted |
| 08:49.45 | DK2 | maybe heartbeat / drbd is an option |
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| 08:50.33 | DK2 | but i need a isci solutio tho |
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| 08:51.17 | lefreut | DK2: for block solution you could have a look at ceph, but for file level it's still pretty beta |
| 08:53.05 | lefreut | DK2: and it start beeing interesting with several nodes since you would have several "control plane" elements |
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| 09:02.20 | waveprop | 'localectl set-locale LANG=en_US' for those reading logs who have the same problem with a mahjong tile in tmux |
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| 09:09.01 | k0ala | ay. |
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| 09:09.36 | k0ala | How to reconfigure APT? |
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| 09:11.39 | ghormoon | hi, is gnupg-agent for X also, or I need some other package? I'm trying to debug why enigmail doesn't work and in commandline it asks me for password in some curses-like interface, maybe that is the reason encryption fails in enigmail? |
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| 09:26.51 | veek | ghormoon, gnupg-agent will manage your private/public keys |
| 09:27.24 | veek | and possibly feed that to enigmail - it's a wrapper around your keys/keyfile |
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| 09:28.00 | veek | you need the public key of the sender to decrypt/verify and read so.. |
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| 09:28.50 | veek | the passwd in curses is just something for the keyfile maybe |
| 09:29.15 | veek | it's not the actual key that is being used to read some particular mail |
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| 09:30.14 | ghormoon | veek: the point is, what application spits out the window asking for password when sending mail? |
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| 09:31.35 | ghormoon | I've copied seamonkey profile and .gnupg folder from old laptop and trying to make it alive. alsi tried exporting and importing the key, it always asks in curses interface, not in X window, so I assume enigmail has no wya to show me curses window? |
| 09:32.05 | ghormoon | the command from enigmail debug log works, but I have to remove the <brackets> around email, otherwise it fails too |
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| 09:34.13 | veek | ghormoon, rereading what i said and understanding what i'm trying to convey, would be a good idea.. i've nver used gnupg, or enigmail - try their mailinglist |
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| 09:35.08 | ghormoon | well, before, it was asking for the password by some X-window, now it's in curses, so I'm propably missing some package |
| 09:35.48 | ghormoon | I mean the situation when you open encrypted mail/try to sign a mail so you need to open you privatekey that has password protection |
| 09:36.00 | veek | yes |
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| 09:37.23 | BCMM | ghormoon: does it use pinentry? |
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| 09:38.09 | ghormoon | well ,there are some installed, might be |
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| 09:38.42 | BCMM | it sounds like you're using pinentry-curses and you used to use something like pinentry-qt4 or pinentry-gnome3 |
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| 09:38.44 | veek | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/188668/how-does-gpg-agent-work |
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| 09:39.20 | ghormoon | i have the gnome3 one installed even, but it obviulsky is not default |
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| 09:40.49 | avian | Hi. I dual boot windows and stretch. How do I mount the windows "Basic data partition"? |
| 09:41.01 | avian | mount -t ntfs says "NTFS signature is missing." |
| 09:41.11 | avian | this used to work on my old computer |
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| 09:42.50 | BCMM | avian: are you sure you're running mount on the correct device? |
| 09:43.23 | ghormoon | hm, the link is correct. not sure how to test it out though, all of them only ask something in console, I most propably need to tell the pinentry to read a password to throw the window? |
| 09:43.52 | avian | BCMM, I'm using /dev/nvme0n1p3, which fdisk and gdisk list as "Basic data partition". Size is also what I expect. |
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| 09:44.06 | BCMM | avian: what does file -s /dev/nvme0n1p3 say? |
| 09:44.42 | veek | ghormoon, you are looking to locate the library that creates the curses dialog? that's pinentry's job |
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| 09:45.20 | ghormoon | yeah, understood that now, now i'm trying to use pinentry manually to see if it will spit window |
| 09:45.23 | avian | BCMM, http://paste.debian.net/989985/ |
| 09:45.51 | avian | BCMM, afaik it's normal for BDP to contain another dummy partition table? |
| 09:46.19 | avian | BCMM, the disk is using GPT otherwise |
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| 09:47.19 | BCMM | avian: yeah, a bunch of stuff that's not really a dos/mbr boot sector will indeed come up like that first |
| 09:48.09 | BCMM | and same partition works fine in windows, right? it's not just corrupt? |
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| 09:48.23 | avian | BCMM, yes. windows boots ok. |
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| 09:48.51 | avian | BCMM, I also disabled fast boot |
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| 09:49.16 | BCMM | in eufi settings, or in windows? |
| 09:49.26 | avian | in windows |
| 09:49.37 | BCMM | hmm, i'm out of ideas here, sorry |
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| 09:50.17 | avian | BCMM, thanks anyway. |
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| 09:51.34 | ghormoon | heh, the gnome3 also asked in curses. qt works in X |
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| 09:58.44 | ghormoon | ok, set it to default to qt and now everything works |
| 09:58.45 | ghormoon | thanks guys :) |
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| 10:17.41 | dionysus69 | system is fully frozen while large file is being copied through usb 3.0 |
| 10:17.49 | dionysus69 | this is the second pc that I have noticed this happens |
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| 10:18.16 | dionysus69 | is there way to not to let system commit suicide on disk io? |
| 10:18.43 | dionysus69 | takes me 30 minutes to copy 200gb file and for 30 minutes system is unusable |
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| 10:20.45 | avian | dionysus69, try "ionice -c 3 cp ..." |
| 10:21.02 | dionysus69 | and what does it do? |
| 10:21.27 | avian | if you run a command through ionice you can set IO priority |
| 10:21.49 | avian | -c 3 should set it to lowest priority |
| 10:22.12 | avian | so that other things on the system will be more responsive |
| 10:22.27 | avian | it's not perfect in my experience, but it can help. |
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| 10:24.54 | darxmurf | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 10:24.55 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
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| 10:25.24 | darxmurf | hmmm why is it still visible in apt-cache on one of my stretch machine? |
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| 10:26.02 | dionysus69 | avian: ok thanks allot, will consider for future :) |
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| 10:30.51 | towo^work | darxmurf, because it is only shown in /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 10:31.49 | towo^work | because the system was upgraded from jessie? |
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| 10:38.51 | darxmurf | yep all my system were upgraded from jessie |
| 10:39.04 | darxmurf | hum but probably the libpng12 was not installed on all of them |
| 10:39.35 | darxmurf | but even upgraded from jessie, it should have remove the lib in question no ? |
| 10:43.06 | themill | darxmurf: no, that's why the release notes tell you to decruft |
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| 10:43.39 | darxmurf | okay |
| 10:43.40 | darxmurf | thanks :-) |
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| 10:53.11 | la-o-wai | Cabanossi: sup |
| 10:55.08 | la-o-wai | what is medium graphic card nowadays |
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| 10:57.30 | anexit_ | Anyone ever get racoon to work properly? |
| 10:57.46 | la-o-wai | what's that |
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| 10:59.12 | jolt | anexit_: Yes? What do you want to do? |
| 10:59.50 | anexit_ | jolt: we have roughly 100 locations we would like to ESP with our datacenter. Let me show you the config, stand by |
| 11:00.05 | darxmurf | it's a packages which eats other packages, but it washes them before |
| 11:00.33 | la-o-wai | thanks |
| 11:00.52 | gpunk | ,v racoon |
| 11:00.53 | judd | Package: racoon on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:0.8.0-14+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:0.8.0-14+deb7u3; jessie: 1:0.8.2+20140711-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:0.8.2+20140711-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1:0.8.2+20140711-8+deb9u1; buster: 1:0.8.2+20140711-10; sid: 1:0.8.2+20140711-10 |
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| 11:01.00 | jolt | darxmurf: :D |
| 11:01.11 | jolt | la-o-wai: vpn solution |
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| 11:01.32 | la-o-wai | jolt: yes i want it |
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| 11:02.51 | anexit_ | jolt: https://pastebin.ca/3885553 |
| 11:03.12 | Seenox | Hello everyone. What would be the best way to list all installed packages (not dependencies) on Debian? Something like packetname - version. |
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| 11:03.31 | anexit_ | Everything works great but after a few hours the connections die between three locations. Nothing dumps to the log file and we have full debug2 enabled |
| 11:03.41 | anexit_ | I think it's something to do with the setkey.conf |
| 11:04.02 | jolt | Seenox: dpkg -l |
| 11:04.41 | Seenox | jolt: I want to use the information later and save them as a fact in Puppet. |
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| 11:04.44 | la-o-wai | dpkg: openbox |
| 11:04.44 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:04.52 | la-o-wai | eh |
| 11:05.18 | la-o-wai | why he left |
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| 11:07.11 | jolt | anexit_: can you describe whats not working? The config looks ok from a quick glance |
| 11:07.11 | la-o-wai | what is minimum memory to run debian |
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| 11:08.52 | anexit_ | jolt: So after about seven hours the locations connecting to our datacenter die and never re-establish connection. When looking at the log files for these locations and the data center everything looks okay. Nothing to report in phs1 and phs2, if I flush the setkey database and setkey -f it comes right back online. It shouldn't do this. |
| 11:09.03 | jolt | la-o-wai: No idea, but the original raspberry felt sluggish with 256M |
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| 11:09.26 | jolt | anexit_: Sounds like the same problem I had with macosx and rekey |
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| 11:10.31 | anexit_ | we have several openbsd routers that work perfectly fine |
| 11:10.49 | anexit_ | I don't know, been several weeks of head smashing |
| 11:10.52 | jolt | anexit_: But I don't have any pointers on that unfortunately. Crazy hard to troubleshoot when it works and just stops without anything changed |
| 11:11.33 | anexit_ | That's where we're at.. nothing to go from really |
| 11:12.25 | jolt | anexit_: enable debug logging everywhere and try to capture it with tcpdump when it happens to figure out if its spd or racoon maybe |
| 11:12.42 | anexit_ | Strongswan might be an option we're looking into |
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| 11:13.04 | jolt | anexit_: good idea, it has more options regarding troubleshooting and an active community |
| 11:13.14 | jolt | More active than racoon anyway |
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| 11:13.23 | jolt | anexit_: I found it very hard to troubleshoot as well |
| 11:13.26 | anexit_ | Does racoon even have an irc channel? |
| 11:13.38 | anexit_ | kame? |
| 11:13.47 | quenode | Does Stretch support overlayFS2 ? |
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| 11:30.31 | afernandez_ | Hello: how do I fix this please? http://paste.debian.net/989994/ |
| 11:30.38 | afernandez_ | Thank you |
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| 11:32.32 | darxmurf | afernandez_: apt-get update && apt-get install -f |
| 11:32.48 | darxmurf | by the way, which version of debian are you running ? |
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| 11:33.06 | bezaban | afernandez_: don't use puppetlabs repository and this would be something for kanotix so solve, they might be the ones that have enabled this repo |
| 11:33.38 | darxmurf | and do you have the puppet labs repo installed ? |
| 11:34.08 | afernandez_ | I think I messed up with the repo |
| 11:34.13 | bezaban | that is not a package from the debian distribution, so as far as dependencies goes it's not for debian to solve |
| 11:34.28 | afernandez_ | OK thank you guys. |
| 11:35.00 | bezaban | yeah.. supporting every package from every add-on repository isn't going to work, so debian packages their own. If you have to pull in something non-standard you're basically on your own :/ |
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| 11:45.03 | la-o-wai | jelly |
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| 11:46.53 | sine0 | ok so... noob issue. about a year ago I setup a script that sends mail from random string, I was just testing out python or something. anyway Im still getting these mails, yet for the life of me on my server Its not in the cron or crontab or anacron. how on earth can i find it.... |
| 11:47.34 | sine0 | I have a vague recollection about setting up a daemon or something.. but i might be wrong |
| 11:48.21 | petn-randall | sine0: The difference between work and fooling around is that in the former you document things. :) |
| 11:48.30 | bezaban | sine0: checked user crons? |
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| 11:49.13 | petn-randall | sine0: The mail logs might give you a hint how it got sent to your mail server. |
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| 11:50.56 | babamelone | Hi. I recently upgraded from jessie to stretch and now sound output in mplayer doesn't work anymore. |
| 11:51.02 | acagastya | When I connect my iPod to laptop using bluetooth, it would bot play music. |
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| 11:51.16 | acagastya | It used to, in elementary OS. |
| 11:51.31 | babamelone | whilst other applications still do outpout sound |
| 11:51.32 | acagastya | What could be the reason for it not working in Jessie? |
| 11:51.37 | la-o-wai | what is element os |
| 11:51.44 | petn-randall | !elementary os |
| 11:51.44 | dpkg | elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://elementaryos.org/ #elementary on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:52.01 | petn-randall | acagastya: Any reason you're not using stretch? |
| 11:52.07 | acagastya | I tried in Stretch too, but didn't work. |
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| 11:53.05 | babamelone | mplayer doesn't play any sound anymore independantly from what output system I use, i.e. ALSA or Pulse. |
| 11:53.37 | la-o-wai | babamelone is using ubuntu lol |
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| 11:54.02 | babamelone | la-o-wai No I don't |
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| 11:55.06 | la-o-wai | babamelone: did you try another video? |
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| 11:56.09 | babamelone | I tried different files in different formats, but no video, no. |
| 11:56.15 | acagastya | petn-randall |
| 11:56.16 | acagastya | petn-randall: could it be because of proprietary drivers? |
| 11:56.43 | acagastya | Dran it, KiwiIRC is so not user friendly. |
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| 11:57.27 | babamelone | la-o-wai even vorbis files don't work. |
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| 11:57.56 | babamelone | It's definitely unmuted and sound volume set to 100 % |
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| 12:02.16 | la-o-wai | google it, |
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| 12:12.51 | petn-randall | acagastya: You have a better chance to get it to work in stretch, as it is more recent. |
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| 12:13.22 | acagastya | Currently trying on Stretch. |
| 12:14.41 | petn-randall | acagastya: So you're connecting your PC and your iPod via bluetooth, and you want to play music from your ipod on your PC? |
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| 12:15.32 | acagastya | From iPod. |
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| 12:16.21 | petn-randall | acagastya: Do you get any errors when you try it? |
| 12:16.45 | acagastya | It would connect, but won't play. |
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| 12:17.32 | acagastya | But there were some packages to upgrade, and the last time I was upgrading the system, due to interrupted connectivity, it didn't finish. |
| 12:17.36 | acagastya | Just did it, and it is working. |
| 12:18.10 | acagastya | But it would pause, or produce some noise. |
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| 12:20.43 | acagastya | apache2-bin apt apt-transport-https apt-utils at-spi2-core bind9-host bluetooth bluez bluez-obexd chromium dbus dbus-user-session dbus-x11 desktop-base dns-root-data evolution evolution-common |
| 12:20.43 | acagastya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.43 | acagastya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.43 | acagastya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.43 | acagastya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.26 | acagastya | Darn this kiwiIRC. |
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| 12:25.02 | petn-randall | acagastya: I'd finish the upgrade then. "apt install -f" and "dpkg --configure -a". |
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| 12:26.22 | hellyeah | hey |
| 12:26.29 | hellyeah | any idea about this error ## Your distribution, identified as "", is not currently supported, please contact NodeSource at https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/issues if you think this is incorrect or would like your distribution to be considered for support |
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| 12:26.56 | FinalX | "please contact NodeSource" |
| 12:27.09 | acagastya | The connection is poor. |
| 12:27.25 | FinalX | hellyeah: what version are you running? what does lsb_release -a say? |
| 12:27.27 | Iridos | whatever that is, isn't detecting anything, hence the null string |
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| 12:28.40 | Iridos | anyway, if that's node.js, there are packages for that in debian ⦠if it's not, you might start by saying what the heck you're talking about |
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| 12:29.08 | hellyeah | FinalX: got an error like that http://dpaste.com/2GQ219S |
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| 12:30.16 | FinalX | well if a basic system script doesn't work... I'd fix your system first |
| 12:30.42 | hellyeah | how can i fix that? |
| 12:30.47 | hellyeah | any idea? |
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| 12:31.37 | FinalX | what version of debian are you running? because nothing can apparently tell you that.. try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:31.54 | FinalX | (are you even running debian and not ubuntu or some other derivative?) |
| 12:32.19 | hellyeah | buster/sid |
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| 12:33.10 | jelly | is it buster or sid |
| 12:33.11 | FinalX | ok.. so testing/debian 10, there was a special channel for that elsewhere I believe |
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| 12:33.38 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 12:33.39 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:33.47 | jelly | hellyeah: are you on debian or a derivative? what does "lsb_release -a" say? |
| 12:33.58 | FinalX | jelly: scroll up :) his lsb_release is broken |
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| 12:34.03 | FinalX | I asked both already |
| 12:34.34 | jelly | ah |
| 12:35.22 | jelly | hellyeah: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy lsb-release" |
| 12:35.40 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 12:36.35 | hellyeah | jelly: http://dpaste.com/20GKXVE |
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| 12:48.20 | hellyeah_ | hey |
| 12:48.43 | hellyeah_ | jelly: did you get the link? http://dpaste.com/20GKXVE |
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| 12:50.06 | gpunk | ? |
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| 12:51.47 | hellyeah_ | gpunk: http://dpaste.com/2GQ219S |
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| 12:54.04 | gpunk | your python installation is messed up |
| 12:55.31 | gpunk | apt install --reinstall lsb-release I think |
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| 12:57.11 | gpunk | http://dpaste.com/0RS04CF |
| 12:57.38 | gpunk | hellyeah_: that s all for you |
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| 13:11.00 | MCMic_w | Why is kde-telepathy metapackage missing from stretch? |
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| 13:12.15 | petn-randall | ,v kde-telepathy |
| 13:12.16 | judd | Package: kde-telepathy on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.0; jessie: 0.8.1; sid: 15.08.3 |
| 13:12.31 | petn-randall | ,why is kde-telepathy not in stable |
| 13:12.33 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:12.40 | petn-randall | !why is kde-telepathy not in stable |
| 13:12.40 | dpkg | petn-randall: what are you talking about? |
| 13:12.48 | la-o-wai | whose bot is judd |
| 13:13.00 | petn-randall | Hmpf, forgot how to trigger the bot properly. |
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| 13:13.20 | la-o-wai | lol! |
| 13:13.36 | la-o-wai | petn-randall: this |
| 13:13.57 | petn-randall | la-o-wai: This what now? |
| 13:14.19 | la-o-wai | !sex > petn-randall |
| 13:14.31 | la-o-wai | errr |
| 13:14.39 | babilen | eyes la-o-wai |
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| 13:15.08 | MCMic_w | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858905 this seems to be the problem but the last message says itâs fixed, Iâm a bit troubled |
| 13:15.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/858905 in kde-telepathy-text-ui (closed): «kde-telepathy-text-ui: Fails to show text entry widget»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-03-28; last modified: 2017-09-11. |
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| 13:16.24 | petn-randall | judd: why is kde-telepathy not in testing |
| 13:16.25 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:16.30 | petn-randall | judd: why kde-telepathy not in testing |
| 13:16.31 | judd | No package named 'kde-telepathy' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:16.49 | petn-randall | scratches head. |
| 13:17.03 | babilen | https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=kde-telepathy |
| 13:17.14 | babilen | dpkg: why is petn-randall not in testing |
| 13:17.14 | dpkg | petn-randall is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=petn-randall |
| 13:17.55 | la-o-wai | dpkg can read human language now? |
| 13:17.56 | dpkg | la-o-wai: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:18.05 | la-o-wai | :o |
| 13:18.12 | babilen | dpkg: botsnack |
| 13:18.12 | dpkg | babilen: :) |
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| 13:18.31 | la-o-wai | still a bot |
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| 13:19.05 | petn-randall | babilen: Ah, so the pitfall is the factoid works for testing but not stable. :/ |
| 13:19.12 | babilen | Indeed |
| 13:20.36 | babilen | http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/#judd-bug-rm comes in handy if a package has been removed completely |
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| 13:51.02 | inviz | as expected debian has mediawiki package. but i wonder if it is worth installing it from apt? |
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| 13:54.16 | jelly | inviz, it's really a hit and miss with php apps |
| 13:54.22 | RoyK | inviz: guess that depends on what you need - the package will work, it'll be stable, and security fixes in new versions will be backported, but it won't get all the shiny new stuff from the newest ones |
| 13:54.27 | RoyK | !sns |
| 13:54.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:54.32 | jelly | some are maintained well, some are not |
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| 13:55.15 | RoyK | I'm don't think I've setup mediawiki from packages at any time |
| 13:55.24 | inviz | yeah i am kind of bleeding edge person. |
| 13:55.28 | jelly | given that upstreams of those often only support one latest branch, relying on debian's packaging may or may not work for you |
| 13:55.29 | RoyK | s/I'm/I/ |
| 13:55.57 | jelly | it's not really a sns issue, but what actually works well |
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| 13:56.02 | inviz | but most likely i will not care in this case. |
| 13:56.23 | inviz | yeah probably worth giving it a try. will make it upgrading easier. |
| 13:56.31 | jelly | if it's an internal site it doesn't really matter, if it's public you're in deep trouble anyway |
| 13:56.44 | RoyK | 'anyway'? |
| 13:56.56 | inviz | anyway, you are saying as mediawiki is something bad. |
| 13:57.04 | jelly | for having chosen a php app to run on the internets |
| 13:57.10 | petn-randall | :] |
| 13:57.23 | RoyK | the world's most used wiki is a bad idea just because it's written in php? |
| 13:57.27 | RoyK | thinks not |
| 13:57.33 | jelly | yes |
| 13:57.41 | jelly | php itself is problematic |
| 13:57.42 | inviz | i prefer dokuwiki though |
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| 13:58.10 | jelly | programming methodology on top can only help so much |
| 13:58.14 | RoyK | jelly: well, put aside religion here - I'm not too fond of php either, but mediawiki works and it's good |
| 13:58.45 | jelly | RoyK, I usually take a look at number of CVEs per year |
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| 13:59.19 | prillian5 | Can anybody help me with this g++ dendency error on debian: https://hastebin.com/asecasoxeh.pas |
| 13:59.23 | RoyK | so do I - but then, please find something without a security issue |
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| 13:59.51 | RoyK | prillian5: which debian version is this? |
| 13:59.58 | prillian5 | Debian 8 |
| 14:00.05 | prillian5 | yesterday I've upgraded from 7 |
| 14:00.06 | n4dir | not sure, but i think "fossil" has something like a wiki, and i think it is rather easy to set up |
| 14:00.41 | zarzar1 | anyone know how to get libxml2 working on debian? i am getting lots of undefined reference errors |
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| 14:01.24 | n4dir | inviz: ^^ |
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| 14:03.12 | inviz | n4dir: that will do for internal FAQ/Helpdesk page |
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| 14:04.24 | n4dir | i think dragora (the distro) runs it's whole website on fossil, but, like said, i am not really into the subject. |
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| 14:04.53 | inviz | i was looking some time ago for something like help page, easy one. |
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| 14:06.49 | jelly | ikiwiki is nice and simple, markdown syntax and git/svn commit to change things |
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| 14:07.23 | petn-randall | jelly: If PHP has a high CVE count, it just means that those bugs all got fixed! Less security bugs left ;) |
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| 14:07.51 | jelly | you'd think that, but the numbers do not fall as the years go by |
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| 14:17.12 | Meerkat | I'm getting a new drive that I wish to use as a mirror backup of my system. I run LUKS in LVM on RAID1, so I'd like to be able to plug this new drive in, mirror the system and keeping the data encrypted, then remove the drive. Which tool should I use for this? |
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| 14:18.16 | gpunk | you could dd it |
| 14:18.48 | petn-randall | gpunk: That would not create consistent backups. |
| 14:18.59 | petn-randall | Meerkat: How many drives are you cycling for backup purposes? |
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| 14:19.39 | petn-randall | Meerkat: If you just have one drive, I wouldn't call it backups, since you'd have zero backups during RAID sync with the "backup" drive. |
| 14:19.41 | Meerkat | 1. I'm planning on re-mirror it once a month. |
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| 14:20.20 | Meerkat | I see what you mean |
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| 14:23.29 | petn-randall | Meerkat: Also it'll be fairly slow due to a full front-to-back sync of the mdraid. It's probably more light-weight to just back up the data on a filesystem level. |
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| 14:25.12 | muse | cryptsetup plus rsync should be enough |
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| 14:26.47 | tw | Otherwise, encfs or gocryptfs in reverse-mode might interest you. rclone also has remote crypt support. I'm using obnam at the moment, but the maintainer has decided to move on, so I can't recommend it. |
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| 14:27.18 | petn-randall | fast deduplication would be great, indeed. rdiff-backup is obscenely slow, I just let it run over night. |
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| 14:30.05 | jhutchins_wk | It is so good to have Linux available. My brother sent me a tnef attachment today, and even Outlook wouldn't open it. I fired up the Debian VM, installed tnef, and was able to extract the images he'd sent in about three minutes. |
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| 14:32.39 | jelly | there's a dozen commercial backup products, each with its own block change tracking and fast backups |
| 14:32.41 | n4dir | gotta say: my first thought was the same one as the one of muse (cryptsetup and rsync). but i am not in lvm or raid. |
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| 14:53.34 | MCMic_w | babilen: https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=kde-telepathy just says «no excuse» |
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| 14:54.22 | MCMic_w | Oh ok itâs https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=meta-kde-telepathy not sure why |
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| 14:58.58 | anasule | I want to read from serial port ive tried cat /dev/ttyS1 but the port speed is wrong what can i use to change it? |
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| 15:01.15 | muse | anasule: minicom should handle it |
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| 15:05.07 | anasule | muse: i found mgetty -s 4800 /dev/ttyS1 it took ages to run but its worked thanks for help though |
| 15:05.56 | jhutchins_wk | anasule: See also setserial. |
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| 15:07.57 | jasperarcola_ | anasule : also stty |
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| 15:10.08 | jasperarcola | anasule e.g. stty 115200 < /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 15:11.03 | Demon_Jester | ok, so, I apparently destroyed my debian by running "cpio -i -F file.cpio" after I ran that cmmand I got a /bin/ls: exec format error, and fiured to restart, at the same time I said I don't think I should have.. I tried to go into recovery mode, and received same end trace, is there a way to fix this if I boot from another linux distro via usb? |
| 15:11.05 | anasule | jasperarcola: thanks :) |
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| 15:20.05 | jhutchins_wk | Demon_Jester: That doesn't really make any sense. Extracting a file from an archive shouldn't "destroy" the OS. What file did you extract, to what directory? |
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| 15:22.21 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, in the same directory it was in, it was couple folders down from ~, but apparently it did. |
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| 15:23.28 | metaphysician | Is there a official/semi-official Debian with SELinux enabled release? |
| 15:23.31 | jelly | ,v ansible |
| 15:23.32 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 2.2.1.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2; stretch-backports: 2.3.1.0+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.2.0+dfsg-1; sid: 2.4.0.0+dfsg-1 |
| 15:23.44 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, or it could've just messed up my grub, and won't boot.. |
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| 15:24.57 | metaphysician | minimal/server image |
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| 15:28.16 | DJDan | i imaged the entire /dev/ubi0_1 bs=512 to a router.img ... is there a way to now undelete the files that were just deleted? |
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| 15:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | Demon_Jester: Unless it was a very specific file in a very specific location, it's probably not related to your problem. cpio won't overwrite existing files, and the mere presence of a new file shouldn't affect operation. |
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| 15:38.04 | jhutchins_wk | metaphysician: I don't believe there's a pre-configured instance of SELinux. You can install and configure it yourself on a minimal system. |
| 15:38.09 | jhutchins_wk | !selinux |
| 15:38.09 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 15:38.37 | jhutchins_wk | metaphysician: See the debian link above for info specific to this distro. |
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| 15:39.24 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, that was the only thing I did before I received all these errors, I can't even get into recovery mode, since it was kernel panic, or atleast thats what my screen is saying, what can I do to narrow down what I need to fix? |
| 15:39.43 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: There is no magic "undelete" for standard Linux filesystems. Some desktops will have a "trash can" that replaces "delete" with "move to trash". |
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| 15:39.52 | fuzzywuzz | DJDan why were files deleted? |
| 15:40.09 | jhutchins_wk | Demon_Jester: I doubt we can help any further without knowing what you extracted where. |
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| 15:41.10 | Demon_Jester | eh oh well, thanks for the help |
| 15:41.14 | jhutchins_wk | ,v vlc |
| 15:41.15 | judd | Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.6-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.6-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.6-1~deb9u1; buster: 2.2.6-6; sid: 2.2.6-6; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u4; stretch-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo2+deb9u1; buster- |
| 15:41.16 | judd | multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo6 |
| 15:41.20 | DJDan | jhutchins_wk: it was the file system. LEDE to be exact... i did dd if=/dev/ubi0_1 bs=512 and imaged it to router.img , other then hexedit, is there a better method |
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| 15:42.06 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: That's a valid method, but it doesn't delete anything. |
| 15:42.20 | petn-randall | DJDan: So you overwrote router.img? Or what are you trying to recover? |
| 15:43.17 | DJDan | petn-randall: im trying to recover my main directory and subdirectory within the LEDE router |
| 15:44.11 | petn-randall | DJDan: Ok, what are the *exact* commands that caused them to disappear? Because it's not clear to me what happened. |
| 15:44.45 | DJDan | petn-randall: rm -rf ??* |
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| 15:45.05 | petn-randall | "dd if=/dev/ubi0_1 bs=512" would write the contents of /dev/ubi0_1 to STDOUT, that wouldn't destroy anything. |
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| 15:45.18 | DJDan | petn-randall: what, im backing up |
| 15:45.34 | DJDan | i deleted with rm -rf a directory and its subdirectories.. now im trying to restore it |
| 15:45.52 | arancina | good luck |
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| 15:46.11 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: You could mount the image via loopback and copy the files to the correct location. |
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| 15:46.59 | DJDan | jhutchins_wk: what u mean? how? |
| 15:47.49 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: What's the filesystem of the router? |
| 15:47.50 | DJDan | im trying to restore files within /root and sub directories |
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| 15:48.01 | DJDan | Linux LEDE 4.9.52 #0 SMP Thu Sep 28 07:29:31 2017 mips GNU/Linux |
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| 15:49.30 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Filesystem. fdisk -l |
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| 15:49.57 | arancina | or "mount" |
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| 15:50.15 | DJDan | the files have been deleted |
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| 15:50.29 | jhutchins_wk | arancina: systemd clutters up the mtab pretty badly these days, mount is pretty useless. |
| 15:50.51 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Yes, but the _filesystem_ is still there. We're thinking maybe ext3. |
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| 15:51.33 | DJDan | https://pastebin.com/J7Pzxx5Z |
| 15:51.54 | DJDan | i backed up the /dev/ubi0_1 part to the image... thinking i can somehow get back /root files and sub directories |
| 15:52.05 | DJDan | and i was hoping a better method then 'hexedit' |
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| 15:52.50 | dTal | jhutchins_wk: don't get me started, it's awful - apparently just bind mounting a few useful things like /dev and /sys for a chroot results in huge masses of other things being mounted (freezer? pstore? mqueue? wth are these) which then won't unmount until reboot becuase they're "in use" |
| 15:53.09 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Again, mount the image via loopback. mount -o loop router.image /mnt |
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| 15:53.36 | dTal | for extra fun MATE puts all these bizarro mounts on the desktop |
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| 15:54.08 | jhutchins_wk | dTal: We can only hope it's a work in progress and will eventually be cleaned up. |
| 15:54.10 | arancina | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
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| 15:54.47 | DJDan | jhutchins_wk: do i do that in debian or on the router |
| 15:55.35 | muse | Dj_Dexter, if you want to do a forensic examination of your image file, you might look at sleuthkit/autopsy packages. |
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| 15:56.13 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Should work either place. I think I'd do it on the debian system. |
| 15:56.38 | muse | opps, that was for DJDan ^^ |
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| 15:57.15 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Y'know, I specifically did NOT suggest df, because df doesn't report the filesystem type. fdisk -l does. |
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| 15:57.26 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Also, paste.debian.net - pastebin.com BAD. |
| 15:57.55 | abff | jhutchins_wk why? |
| 15:58.37 | DJDan | that required root, then wouldnt mount |
| 15:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | abff: Ads, java, malware. |
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| 15:59.48 | DJDan | https://pastebin.com/gCTFBfeK |
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| 16:02.30 | DJDan | it comes up with ubifs errors... its a mipsel filsystem |
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| 16:04.59 | DJDan | http://paste.debian.net/990051/ |
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| 16:07.26 | DJDan | even if i do get this mounted, how do i actually get it to undelete the /root/...... files and sub files |
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| 16:08.53 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: I don't know mips filesystems, but generally in *nix deleted is deleted, there's no "restore" execpt from backup. |
| 16:09.31 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: I would guess your next step would be to investigate how to support that filesystem on a Linux system. Then again, you could just try mounting it on the mips device. |
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| 16:10.02 | jhutchins_wk | OS-28688: / |
| 16:10.05 | petn-randall | hands OS-28688 a / |
| 16:10.57 | DJDan | jhutchins_wk: even if it mounted, how would i then restore from it.. i was suggested to hexedit the img file..but theres gotta be a better method |
| 16:11.17 | DJDan | cause the files arent in a directory |
| 16:11.27 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Just copy the files. |
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| 16:11.38 | DJDan | i deleted the files from /root |
| 16:11.55 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Copy the files from the mounted image. |
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| 16:12.30 | DJDan | jhutchins_wk: i dont understand, i was on the router.. i deleted /root files and its sub directories... i then imaged the thing (with the deleted dir) to a .img file |
| 16:12.33 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: If they're not there, you probably need to do a clean install. You can mess with things like photorec, but I don't know whether they support mips and mips filesystems. |
| 16:12.47 | jhutchins_wk | DJDan: Oh, then the files are gone if they're not in the image. |
| 16:13.01 | DJDan | the filesare viewable in a hexedit of the img file |
| 16:13.12 | DJDan | well the text* |
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| 16:14.25 | muse | DJDan, you can try examining your .img file with sleuthkit/autopsy and see if you can recover your deleted files. |
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| 16:16.08 | DJDan | muse: im trying to find the osx gui now... but the img file is from LEDE mipsel device so not sure i i can mount it |
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| 16:18.44 | rh10 | guys, best way to use new software on old debian distro? are there backports? for example - tmux, mc |
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| 16:19.33 | mtn | !backports |
| 16:19.33 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 16:21.00 | DJDan | muse: i cant seem to find any osx version or anything... im not sure if the img file is going to mount too.. cause that mount -o loop router.img /mnt came up with errrors |
| 16:21.22 | DJDan | mount: wrong fs type..bad options, bad superblock on /dev/loop0... etc.. |
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| 16:22.57 | rh10 | mtn, thanks |
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| 16:27.07 | at0m | ,v radicale |
| 16:27.08 | judd | Package: radicale on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7-1.1+deb7u2; jessie: 0.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.9-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.1.1+20160115-4; sid: 1.1.6-1; experimental: 2.1.5-1 |
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| 16:28.35 | pierrot | Good afternoon. I've configured a Compose key and I have a ~/.XCompose file with some customizations. It works just fine (I add bindings to new symbols in that file and they work just as expected). However, I'm confused about something. |
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| 16:28.53 | pierrot | Bindings *that are not* defined in ~/.XCompose work as well |
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| 16:29.25 | DJDan | muse: where do i find the osx gui for autospy? the file wont mount on my system tho |
| 16:30.08 | pierrot | I thought that was due to I included the default Compose file in my ~/.XCompose and that was true (I had an 'include "%L"' at the top of the file). Now I removed that line |
| 16:30.28 | pierrot | but bindings that are not defined in ~/.XCompose still work |
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| 16:30.44 | ebp | hello, since the 9.2 update I have this https://paste.debian.net/990053/ can I safely remove linux-image-amd64? |
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| 16:31.03 | pierrot | Why is that? |
| 16:31.36 | Meerkat | petn-randall, thank you for your help! |
| 16:32.25 | petn-randall | Meerkat: You're welcome! |
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| 16:35.07 | enerluna | hihi |
| 16:35.55 | rh10 | guys, i've read about backports. is there some backports for debian 7? |
| 16:36.11 | enerluna | im trying to create a key file to unlock my hard drive in the future. |
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| 16:37.19 | enerluna | however after cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/YourDeviceName /keyfile i did cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda5 /keyfile |
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| 16:37.30 | enerluna | but i get an error |
| 16:38.00 | annadane | enerluna, out of curiosity did the install go well yesterday? |
| 16:38.18 | enerluna | i run a recovery install |
| 16:38.31 | enerluna | instali386 or something i cant remember |
| 16:38.34 | enerluna | and it booted xD |
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| 16:39.42 | petn-randall | rh10: Ehm, yes. Did you read the factoid? |
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| 16:41.13 | metaphysician | External link mentioned in !selinux is dead |
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| 16:41.43 | enerluna | annedane any tips for the other question ? |
| 16:42.03 | annadane | enerluna, no idea, sorry |
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| 16:42.38 | RoyK | rh10: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases <-- not very well supported anymore - upgrade the machine - it's not like redhat (just guessing from your nick) where you have to reinstall the whole thing |
| 16:42.39 | annadane | enerluna, btw you can use tab completion for names, it lets the other person know you responded; you can type the first few letters of their name and hit tab, if your irc client supports it |
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| 16:43.09 | enerluna | annadane: ooh nice |
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| 16:44.41 | michal_ | Hello, maybe I am on bad channel, but I dont know where I can ask, I check my connection on my router and I found that one computer sending data to some address and I don't have run any program or web side. address are something like prg03s02-in-f110.1e100.net:443 or waw02s07-in-f4.1e100.net:443 etc.. what is it? I have debian on my computers |
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| 16:47.18 | rh10 | RoyK, got it, thanks. (not nick has another history) |
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| 16:48.05 | rh10 | RoyK, now have a few debian7 servers, not just simple to upgrade them. |
| 16:48.12 | enerluna | stuck again fml |
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| 16:50.18 | RoyK | rh10: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:51.50 | rh10 | RoyK,know it. but thanks for advice (actually need a lot of tests to ensure that upgrade will be successful) |
| 16:51.51 | lord_rob | michal_: https://www.pcmech.com/article/the-mysterious-1e100-net/ |
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| 16:52.49 | rh10 | RoyK, probably will be better to build my own packages? how do you think? |
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| 16:53.13 | RoyK | rh10: probably better upgrade - deb7 is old |
| 16:54.04 | rh10 | RoyK, you 100% right. it is in near future |
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| 16:54.21 | rh10 | RoyK, but now i can do usual work. |
| 16:54.39 | RoyK | rh10: not saying you should stick to the newest all the time, but deb7 is out of ordinary support, only LTS left, so I'd really recommend upgrading |
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| 16:55.34 | rh10 | RoyK, understand it. thanks for support. |
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| 16:56.58 | enerluna | im trying to create a key file to unlock my hard drive in the future. however after cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/YourDeviceName /keyfile i did cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda5 /keyfile |
| 16:57.08 | enerluna | i get an unknown action |
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| 16:58.06 | lord_rob | michal_: try "nslookup prg03s02-in-f110.1e100.net" to get the IP then "whois IP" and it goes to Google, as the article says |
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| 17:00.33 | michal_ | oh my god, google is everywhere, many thanks. the link show how to stop isn't it? |
| 17:01.05 | michal_ | BTW is possible stop it by iptables? |
| 17:01.28 | lord_rob | I don't know, google for that ;-) |
| 17:02.29 | abff | michal_ you should probably determine what's doing it, do you use chrome? |
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| 17:02.47 | michal_ | I use firefox |
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| 17:02.59 | muse | michal_ you can block any ip address from accessing any port. ufw is easier than iptables. |
| 17:03.24 | lord_rob | everytime you use youtube, a request to 1e100 (gogol) is sent |
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| 17:03.37 | annadane | if you just don't want google tracking you there's a number of browser anti-tracking tools you can install |
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| 17:04.18 | michal_ | I see, so I can not block it, bcs I sometime use youtube |
| 17:04.51 | michal_ | But why it sent data when I don't use youtube, this is bad |
| 17:05.04 | lord_rob | of course, and I'm not sure that Chromium tracks you less than Chrome |
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| 17:05.46 | annadane | i'm 100% sure it tracks you *less* but firefox is probably the more privacy respecting option, though not everyone is thrilled with some of what mozilla is doing, but that's a seperate conversation |
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| 17:07.36 | annadane | my default list of privacy tools that i install are privacy badger, ublock origin, https everywhere and decentraleyes - there's a very comprehensive list at privacytools.io |
| 17:07.42 | lord_rob | ff is the browser I use the most, because it's the most convenient. But I have to admit that Chromium is way faster |
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| 17:09.08 | annadane | lord_rob, if you're interested, firefox 57 ("quantum") is supposed to be much faster - https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-57.0b7-SSL&os=linux64&lang=en-US |
| 17:09.17 | michal_ | So no way? I am not paranoid, I just dont like things out of control. And it is fully out of controll. |
| 17:09.33 | annadane | but the thing with doing that is you have to keep your configuration folders seperate with the esr version |
| 17:10.37 | annadane | michal_, right, as i listed above you can install some of those privacy tools to prevent tracking generally; i actually just went ahead and blocked youtube.com and accounts.youtube.com from using cookies |
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| 17:11.14 | lord_rob | Oh I'm using 52 ESR like all the people using testing and I'm happy with it |
| 17:11.29 | enerluna | any help for me? |
| 17:11.30 | michal_ | I see |
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| 17:14.18 | lord_rob | Google and Facebook are free because *you* are the product ;-) |
| 17:14.55 | annadane | well, and they also extensively track you offline even if you don't have an account, unfortunately |
| 17:15.07 | annadane | s/offline/off of their sites |
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| 17:15.27 | annadane | certainly facebook does, not sure if google does it as much |
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| 17:16.02 | muse | enerluna, not sure, but cryptsetup might want the dev-mapper device name instead of the physical device name |
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| 17:16.31 | lord_rob | sure they do, everytime you browse FOOsite you see something like foo.googlesyndication.com |
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| 17:17.03 | enerluna | muse: what should i type then? |
| 17:17.26 | muse | whatever you named the device |
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| 17:23.11 | user9999999 | hello guys, I do not know if this is appropriated channel for this question but, it exists some debian user agent for google chrome or mozilla firefox like exists for fedora? |
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| 17:24.00 | muse | enerluna, i.e when you open the encrypted partition, you give it a name, e.g.: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXY NAME |
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| 17:24.41 | muse | enerluna, then you access it as /dev/mapper/NAME |
| 17:25.03 | user9999999 | If doesn't exists I guess maybe it would be interesting to create |
| 17:25.10 | petn-randall | user9999999: Not sure what you mean. Do you mean if Debian sets a different user agent *string* compared to other distros? |
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| 17:25.26 | user9999999 | petn-randall: yep |
| 17:26.32 | user9999999 | An official extension or plugin |
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| 17:31.16 | petn-randall | user9999999: I don't understand. Do you want to change the user agent string? |
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| 17:34.37 | user9999999 | petn-randall: no. I'm search for an official google chome extension or mozilla firefox plugin able to change user agent string for debian... if you look google chome in a fedora distro you will see that it have an official extension to change user agent string |
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| 17:35.41 | petn-randall | user9999999: What is stopping you from installing the same extension? |
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| 17:37.09 | user9999999 | nothing but this is exatly my question, I would like to suggest to debian maintainers to create an official extension |
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| 17:41.53 | muse | user9999999, I think everybody just uses useragentswitcher. |
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| 17:43.13 | shtrb | user9999999, such a change would be a user level I don't know if such a thing is allowed DFSG |
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| 17:43.23 | shtrb | *allowed by the packaging rules |
| 17:44.00 | shtrb | DFSG was a brainfrat |
| 17:44.03 | shtrb | *fart |
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| 17:53.07 | jhutchins_wk | user9999999: Most Linux software is not distribution specific, but the same sofware is packaged and distributed by many distros. |
| 17:53.50 | jhutchins_wk | user9999999: Browser extensions tend to be developed by third parties and distributed through the browser rather than through distro packaging. |
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| 18:02.20 | user9999999 | jhutchins_wk, shtrb: I do not know why this could be not allowed by DFSG. |
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| 18:03.04 | shtrb | not related to DFSG , but related to packaging rules (it would need to be applied user by user and not system wide I think) |
| 18:03.15 | shtrb | when I said DFSG it was a brainfart |
| 18:05.07 | shtrb | after further thinking it could be packaged as xul-ext-noscript (if xul is not dead already) |
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| 18:20.15 | anexit_ | is it normal NOT to be able to traceroute from ipsec machine to ipsec machine to ipsec machine? |
| 18:20.22 | anexit_ | I can ping, but not traceroute |
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| 18:21.27 | preyalone | yo, could rc be patched to exit with a non-zero status when a -n syntax check fails? would be helpful for hooking up linting with continuous integration servers |
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| 18:22.29 | shtrb | anexit_ , what do you mean you can not traceroute two linked machine ? (packet loss single hop ) ? |
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| 18:25.53 | anexit_ | shtrb I have three ipsec machinees; https://textik.com/#f440f866fb681001 |
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| 18:26.22 | anexit_ | So from 10.0.1.0 I can trace route the two machines fine.. but I cannot traceroute from 10.0.3.0 to 10.0.9.0 |
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| 18:27.41 | anexit_ | From the 10.0.9.0 and 10.0.3.0 I can traceroute the 10.0.1.7 but not anything behind that router 10.0.1.36-255 |
| 18:28.00 | anexit_ | something is off |
| 18:28.05 | anexit_ | but I can ping just fine |
| 18:28.10 | anexit_ | scratches head |
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| 18:28.20 | anexit_ | no firewall |
| 18:28.24 | anexit_ | no rules |
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| 18:28.52 | anexit_ | tcpdump shows udp packets making it but nothing returns |
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| 18:30.05 | sdsds8787878 | Ciao a Tutto il Canale!!! |
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| 18:30.35 | T4ng10r | can you recommend OCR tool for PDF (like ABByy on Windows)? |
| 18:30.39 | shtrb | anexit_ , use dumpcap to see how the icmp transfer and are you sure you don't have a nice firewall ? |
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| 18:33.08 | jhutchins_wk | !ocr |
| 18:33.08 | dpkg | Optical Character Recognition (OCR) is a technology allowing computers to "read" text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret, usually coming from a scanned image. gocr (http://jocr.sf.net/) and ocrad (http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html) are packaged for Debian. The fuzzyocr <SpamAssassin> plugin can be used to check image attachments. |
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| 18:33.22 | anexit_ | traceroute use a port /range? |
| 18:33.29 | anexit_ | I thought it was icmp bound |
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| 18:35.12 | shtrb | anexit_ , traceroute can work either via ICMP or UDP (if you are using fine implementation) |
| 18:36.32 | preyalone | ay could the pdksh package also softlink /bin/pdksh as /bin/ksh88, so that ancient "ksh88" shebang scripts can run without modification? |
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| 18:37.48 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: tias |
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| 18:41.17 | shtrb | anexit_ how exactly they are expected to get a response ? |
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| 18:42.48 | shtrb | do you have NAT / something to tell that the packages should be routed to 10.0.1.0/24 ? |
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| 18:45.34 | anexit_ | yep |
| 18:45.36 | anexit_ | NAt is up |
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| 18:45.50 | anexit_ | I have a gif tunnel |
| 18:46.17 | anexit_ | according to the article I was reading you don't need a gif tunnel for a ipsec tunnel but you need it for tooling |
| 18:46.22 | shtrb | what's a gif tunnel ? |
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| 18:47.07 | anexit_ | it's the freebsd box on the otherside, simialr to tun devices on debain |
| 18:47.09 | anexit_ | debian* |
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| 18:47.34 | shtrb | got it |
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| 18:48.16 | anexit_ | packets are getting there and are on the internal switch but for somereason there is no response. |
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| 18:48.27 | anexit_ | I assume it's a routing/firewall issue at this point |
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| 18:52.26 | shtrb | anexit_ on the leafs add a route via the nat server |
| 18:52.42 | shtrb | *try adding a route via the NAT server |
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| 18:54.14 | SpeedyG | anexit_: physical machines or virtual? |
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| 18:56.00 | anexit_ | physical |
| 18:56.41 | SpeedyG | ok nvm then, I had similar problems with 3 VMs due to KVM virtual NIC drivers not working |
| 18:56.53 | anexit_ | so I added route add 10.0.1.0/24 -> tun interface |
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| 18:57.27 | anexit_ | If I take that route out, I can no longer ping the 10.0.1.0/24 network from the 10.0.9.0/24 network. Adding it and I can ping but no traceroute. |
| 18:57.42 | anexit_ | If I kill IPSEC on the leaf and master.. traceroute works |
| 18:57.46 | anexit_ | odd |
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| 18:58.35 | anexit_ | racoon seems to be a pita |
| 18:58.36 | anexit_ | haha |
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| 19:31.11 | jolt | anexit_: Wow, you'äre still at it :) |
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| 19:32.03 | tw | anexit_: tunnel or transport? |
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| 19:33.49 | anexit_ | I think I found my answer |
| 19:33.52 | anexit_ | hah! |
| 19:33.55 | tw | b/c I'd suggest if you don't want to go into the details of getting setkey all coded up for routing through an ipsec gateway, you just set up in transport mode w/o tunnel addresses and set up a gre inside it. |
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| 19:34.20 | anexit_ | http://www.racoon2.wide.ad.jp/ml/racoon2-users/200903/msg595.html |
| 19:34.23 | anexit_ | back to 2009 |
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| 19:34.50 | anexit_ | tw got any examples you can pastbin? |
| 19:34.59 | anexit_ | as far as the setkey |
| 19:35.26 | anexit_ | let me pull up my old transport configs |
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| 19:39.22 | tw | anexit_: https://paste.debian.net/990086/ a typical pair in my ipsec-tools.conf. It's for an old version of debian, but I doubt much has changed. |
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| 19:40.29 | rh10 | guys, https://www.debian.org/doc/ has broken link "Quick Reference Cards" to http://www.digilife.be/quickreferences/quickrefs.htm |
| 19:40.35 | rh10 | where can i report it? |
| 19:41.24 | babamelone | Hi. I upgraded Debian from jessie to stretch today and now I do not get any sound anymore with mplayer. It's a problem that exists only in mplayer, i.e. other music players work. The problem is independant from the sound system, i.e. the -ao option I choose and independant from the music source, i.e. mp3 m4a and vorbis don't work. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:42.23 | ebp | exit |
| 19:42.26 | ebp | oops |
| 19:42.59 | mtn | babamelone: tried using mplayer with a clean/new config file? |
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| 19:44.13 | babamelone | I have to correct my self, youtube videos don't have sound, too. |
| 19:44.36 | babamelone | I guess, that I never touched the mplayer config file. |
| 19:45.14 | babamelone | If it would exist, Debian would have asked me, whether I'd want to keep it or not during the upgrade. |
| 19:45.32 | babamelone | Or if I had changed it. |
| 19:46.01 | mtn | babamelone: try using a clean/new one and see if it works |
| 19:47.01 | babamelone | mtn: This is not logical, as, as I said, this is not a mplayer problem at all. Some software plays sound, other doesn't. |
| 19:47.20 | mtn | babamelone: ok. good luck. |
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| 19:49.40 | anexit_ | tw: how would I throw a third in there? |
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| 19:50.40 | anexit_ | The issue I have with transport is that it doesn't encrypt the entire network |
| 19:50.40 | abff | I uninstalled my nvidia-drivers package and now things that use the GLX module can't access it on this display, things like kodi and steam fail completely because of this |
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| 19:52.08 | anexit_ | so if I have ipsec transport setup with 10.0.3.0/24 and a tun ip of 10.0.3.254 and another site 10.0.9.0/24 with tun ip 10.0.9.254 it encrypts everything between the two |
| 19:52.33 | anexit_ | if I ping 10.0.9.6 and or 10.0.3.6 tcpdump shows no ESP |
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| 19:52.39 | anexit_ | unless it's designed that way |
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| 19:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | abff: Right. |
| 19:54.56 | tw | anexit_: if you set up the transport, then set up an ipip or gre inside it, the entire tunneled interface should be sent as encrypted packets. |
| 19:55.17 | tw | But if you tcpdump the tunneled interface, it should be unencrypted. |
| 19:55.22 | jhutchins_wk | !nvidia |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:56.10 | jhutchins_wk | abff: I believe the proprietary drivers are needed for glx support. |
| 19:56.16 | abff | jhutchins_wk I remeoved nvidia-drivers, I am just trying to get the xorg-video-intel to work again, the nvidia glx module is present on the system but nothign running on the display is working |
| 19:56.33 | abff | just the glx driver, which is there |
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| 19:57.38 | jhutchins_wk | abff: Hybrid can be a pain. |
| 19:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | abff: I would remove the nvidia glx mod. |
| 19:58.09 | abff | I noticed, this all started because I was trying to get bumblebee to work with the nvidia unified driver but it was giving me a hastle |
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| 20:03.13 | anexit_ | tw: I will take a look, Thanks! |
| 20:04.06 | annadane | general question on policy; except for point releases the only updates stable gets are security fixes, right? |
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| 20:06.18 | beepnboop- | anyone here with thinkpad? |
| 20:07.15 | annadane | beepnboop-, it's faster if you just ask your actual question |
| 20:07.18 | towo` | i have a T420 |
| 20:08.08 | beepnboop- | i'm trying to make the red nipple move faster across the screen |
| 20:08.13 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: security, bugfixes. |
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| 20:08.42 | tw | annadane: browsers also get feature releases pretty much directly from upstream. |
| 20:08.42 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: New features or enhancements usually aren't updated in stable, but may be backported. |
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| 20:09.07 | annadane | jhutchins_wk, oh, bug fixes too, okay. i'm not sure if there's a mailing list one can subscribe to to get reports of bug fixes, i already get the security update emails |
| 20:09.25 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: I think there's an "announce" list. |
| 20:09.28 | jhutchins_wk | !mailing lists |
| 20:09.28 | dpkg | Mailing lists allow large numbers of people to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (Debian bug #161440), see <gmane>. For lists.debian.org questions, join #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org. See also <list spam> and <subscribed>. |
| 20:09.29 | kale | hi, i am trying to get moinmoin up and running. when i load the website i get what looks like a python file, rather than the file being executed. what am i missing here? |
| 20:09.34 | annadane | devel-announce? |
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| 20:09.44 | beepnboop- | i put it on 30px and its still barley move i use alot of force to move it around |
| 20:10.02 | jhutchins_wk | kale: Need to have the handler loaded in the server. |
| 20:10.07 | mutante | kale: sounds like maybe you didnt install mod_python so Apache can handle python files |
| 20:10.10 | kale | wsgi? |
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| 20:10.19 | annadane | well, whatever, not that it really matters. was just curious, thanks |
| 20:10.22 | jhutchins_wk | kale: It also needs to be stting the mime type correctly. |
| 20:10.26 | kale | ahh mod_python might be it |
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| 20:10.33 | haemorrh1ge | hi |
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| 20:11.06 | haemorrh1ge | so iceweasel is the web browser of choice for debian because firefox is not completely free becaue of branding issues with mozilla ? |
| 20:11.25 | mutante | haemorrh1ge: that was true for 10 years but not anymore. back to normal Firefox now |
| 20:11.27 | annadane | no, the firefox issues have been fixed |
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| 20:11.54 | annadane | as of... jessie? i don't even remember any more |
| 20:12.17 | mutante | yea, should have been on jessie, ack |
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| 20:13.21 | kale | mutante: apache error log now tells me that mod_python cannot be used at the same time as wsgi |
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| 20:14.37 | mutante | kale: so.. i think the summary is on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3319545/mod-wsgi-mod-python-or-just-cgi |
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| 20:14.59 | mutante | kale: seems like i shouldnt have recommended mod_python, heh :) |
| 20:15.38 | mutante | well, one guy says "alive and well", another "it's dead", i dont know :) |
| 20:15.43 | haemorrh1ge | so after firefox was allowed to be in debian, iceweasel was discontinued ? |
| 20:16.21 | mutante | haemorrh1ge: yea, basically, though it's really the same thing, just the logo and name is replaced |
| 20:16.42 | annadane | is that true? i was under the impression iceweasel had a number of debian specific differences |
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| 20:16.49 | annadane | i'm not 100% on that though |
| 20:16.50 | kale | mutante: anyways mod_python and mod_wsgi gives the same result |
| 20:17.01 | mutante | kale: you have to pick only one of them |
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| 20:17.25 | mutante | kale: maybe apache needs a restart, not just reload, after a new module is loaded |
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| 20:17.28 | n4dir | some said this, some said something different (and some changed their opinion all the time if iceweasel differed from firefox) |
| 20:17.37 | kale | mutante: i did reload apache |
| 20:18.41 | annadane | i don't want to spread misinformation so i'm very careful to specifically point out that i *don't know*. look it up yourself |
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| 20:19.12 | tw | kale: pastebin your vhost config including wsgi sections. |
| 20:20.01 | mutante | kale: not sure if reload is "hard" enough in those circumstances |
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| 20:21.08 | kale | mutante: allright i did a "service apache2 restart", will be back with a paste in a minute |
| 20:21.41 | kale | tw: wsgi sections, where do i find those? |
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| 20:22.26 | n4dir | annadane: if i understood correct: there were no changes which could explain rationally that iceweasel really differed from firefox, but quite a few claimed so (and folks who usually knew what they were talking about). |
| 20:22.40 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel Beyond that, they will be basically identical. (quoting Roberto C. Sanchez post in debian-devel mailing list) |
| 20:22.48 | annadane | n4dir, well, anyway, this is kind of off topic |
| 20:23.12 | n4dir | rather out of date ... but fine for me |
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| 20:25.07 | kale | tw: https://pastebin.com/7wf6CUJW |
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| 20:27.56 | BCMM | the main point of iceweasel was that it was *possible* for it to be modified. you know, the whole free software thing. |
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| 20:28.27 | BCMM | as i understand it |
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| 20:43.07 | diegoariel | Dear, I am looking for a mariadb workbench that is in the main debian 9.2 repositories. |
| 20:43.35 | diegoariel | I used to have mysql, I used Mysql Workbench |
| 20:44.02 | diegoariel | It was very comfortable and complete for me. |
| 20:44.33 | diegoariel | I'm looking for something similar for mariadb, which is free software. |
| 20:45.48 | kale | tw, mutante: finally got moinmoin going. missed a lot of wsgi setup stuff in my apache site config. thanks for the help |
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| 20:58.14 | kolnpole | i have usb 3.0 and im getting speed 50 MB max why? |
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| 20:58.57 | RoyK | kolnpole: to what? |
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| 20:59.26 | phogg | kolnpole: having a USB 3.0 port is not enough. The device, bus, cable, port and host must all agree on USB3, and then both be able to sustain such throughput. |
| 20:59.54 | kolnpole | RoyK, while copying data from my data from my portable hard to my debain machine |
| 21:00.21 | RoyK | kolnpole: does the harddisk support usb3? like phogg said |
| 21:00.31 | kolnpole | phogg, yes i know , i have usb 3.0 port on my laptop and 3.0 data cable and 3.0 drive |
| 21:01.10 | RoyK | kolnpole: also - a lot of portable usb drives are 5k4rpm spinning rust which are really slow, regardless of the bus speed |
| 21:01.28 | RoyK | 2,5" 5k4rpm == dead slow |
| 21:01.35 | RoyK | even over infiniband |
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| 21:04.08 | kolnpole | i see |
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| 21:15.21 | Mathisen | i need npm how to get it on stretch ? |
| 21:15.52 | annadane | ,v npm |
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| 21:15.52 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 21:16.19 | annadane | !ssb probably |
| 21:16.25 | annadane | !ssb |
| 21:16.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:17.11 | Mathisen | .v bower |
| 21:17.18 | Mathisen | ,v bower |
| 21:17.19 | judd | No package named 'bower' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:18.44 | Mathisen | not my day.. this is gonna be a pain |
| 21:18.52 | Mathisen | npn and bower is needed |
| 21:18.57 | Mathisen | npm* |
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| 21:20.06 | annadane | for bower if the source code is available you may be able to build from source; see https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 21:21.46 | Mathisen | il start with getting npm if im lucky i can install bower,gulp later with npm |
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| 21:43.07 | Tauwasser | hi |
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| 21:43.37 | Tauwasser | anybody here knowledgeable about debian packaging :)? |
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| 21:45.56 | Rumpled | i done a little a while ago but probably not enough. what's up? |
| 21:46.07 | Tauwasser | well |
| 21:46.11 | Tauwasser | it's kinda super-specific |
| 21:46.14 | Tauwasser | so bear with me :) |
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| 21:46.32 | Tauwasser | i'm interested if there is any known standard or whatever for assigning the debian version + numbers |
| 21:46.42 | Tauwasser | like 1.2.3-1+deb9u3 |
| 21:46.52 | Tauwasser | sure, deb is debian-specific |
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| 21:46.56 | Tauwasser | 9 update 3? |
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| 21:48.44 | n4dir | Tauwasser: there is the channel: #packaging |
| 21:48.54 | n4dir | perhaps this may help: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#namever ? |
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| 21:49.09 | Tauwasser | n4dir: thanks |
| 21:49.29 | Tauwasser | i'm kind of wanting to know raspberry pi specific things tho |
| 21:49.37 | eck | Tauwasser: there's some info at https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/dpkg-dev/deb-version.5.en.html |
| 21:49.48 | Tauwasser | for some reason they don't seem to publicly document their abbreviations |
| 21:51.04 | Rumpled | http://www.fifi.org/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-versions.html does this help? |
| 21:51.38 | Tauwasser | thanks a bunch |
| 21:51.42 | Tauwasser | it's a good starting point |
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| 21:51.56 | Tauwasser | I kinda hoped there was a central registry for the plus-parts |
| 21:52.05 | Tauwasser | like +rpi1, +ubuntu etc |
| 21:52.13 | Rumpled | sorry i can't help more. i don't know as much as i thought i might |
| 21:52.57 | Tauwasser | it's probably very specific, not a lot of people seem to care :-/ |
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| 21:53.16 | eck | i never really thought about it but i think you're right on the meaning of 9u3, that's it's deb 9 update 3 |
| 21:53.19 | eck | as 9.2 was just tagged |
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| 21:53.27 | n4dir | I think like this: 1.2.3 is the upstream version. -1 is the debian version. The +deb9u3 is something not always found |
| 21:53.42 | n4dir | but to be sure read in the provided links, they should explain |
| 21:54.02 | Tauwasser | I guess many maintainers might think it's always obvious |
| 21:54.04 | eck | the + part usually identifies who did the packaging, in my experience |
| 21:54.25 | Tauwasser | but I'm currently looking into building my own packages for the RPi, so I'd sure like to know if their source packages are still the same :-/ |
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| 21:54.26 | eck | e.g. if you use the DFSG apt repos, you'll see +dfsg in the package name |
| 21:54.46 | Tauwasser | but DFSG also means they removed parts that didn't conform |
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| 21:55.59 | eck | if you and i both write a debian package for mysql 5.7.19, we might both make debian packages named mysql-server 5.7.19-1 as the first version of our package |
| 21:56.15 | eck | the + provides a way to differentiate the one you wrote vs the one someone else wrote |
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| 21:57.19 | Tauwasser | true, I suppose |
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| 21:57.40 | Tauwasser | but it would also mean that we both might have different source packages (i.e. debian directories) |
| 21:57.55 | Tauwasser | that's what I think might be happening with the Raspbian folks |
| 21:58.04 | Tauwasser | but when I do apt-get source bluez |
| 21:58.04 | eck | right |
| 21:58.12 | Tauwasser | I get the standard debian source package |
| 21:58.33 | eck | maybe ask in #raspbian? |
| 21:58.42 | Tauwasser | already did |
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| 21:58.56 | Tauwasser | nobody knows and/or cares to explaim :) |
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| 22:00.59 | Rumpled | i think if you've asked a lot of times before and you never get the answers you're looking for it's often best to wing it and learn of any mistakes when someone points it out |
| 22:01.23 | annadane | and then yell at them for not telling you earlier (: |
| 22:01.31 | Rumpled | but i doubt the plus sign in version numbers will matter too much |
| 22:01.39 | Rumpled | yep |
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| 22:02.41 | Rumpled | besides if it was important debian's upstream guide and others would have mentioned it by now |
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| 22:03.16 | Tauwasser | well, I just don't want to compile my own bluez and later find out they changed the default config or something |
| 22:03.43 | Tauwasser | it's also somewhat unclear why they use rpi1, rpi2 and rpt1 in their names |
| 22:03.55 | Tauwasser | like, I'd have thought rpi1 and rpi2 kinda made sense |
| 22:04.05 | Tauwasser | because the processor is different |
| 22:04.11 | Tauwasser | but wth is rpt1? |
| 22:04.22 | eck | i assume those are because they use different compiler flags for the archs |
| 22:04.27 | eck | it must be another cpu revision |
| 22:04.29 | eck | who knows |
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| 22:05.28 | Rumpled | tell you where you'll find someone that knows: stack exchange. every bored developer sits on there hoping to come across a unique question |
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| 22:07.37 | Tauwasser | yeah |
| 22:07.41 | Tauwasser | thought about that already |
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| 22:07.50 | Tauwasser | kinda hoped it would be easily resolved in chat |
| 22:08.09 | Tauwasser | instead of some guy publicly shaming me by pointing to some obscure documentation on some mailing list archive :P |
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| 22:08.47 | Rumpled | i know how you feel. i try not to use forums and stuff now too for the same reason |
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