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| 00:43.51 | random_numbers | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42934523/monodevelop-invalid-pointer-crash This is still a thing, what should I do? |
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| 00:51.43 | Kobaz | having a problem installing gettext (jessie) https://pastebin.com/Z7rNAmBq |
| 00:52.39 | annadane | ,v gettext |
| 00:52.40 | judd | Package: gettext on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18.1.1-9; wheezy-backports: 0.19.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.19.3-2; jessie-backports: 0.19.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.19.8.1-2; buster: 0.19.8.1-4; sid: 0.19.8.1-4 |
| 00:53.48 | bazhang | sudo apt-get install gettext Kobaz |
| 00:53.55 | Kobaz | right |
| 00:53.58 | Kobaz | i'm already root |
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| 00:54.21 | Kobaz | there's a bug in the package scripts is what it looks like |
| 00:54.25 | bazhang | so whats the issue, that is the installe |
| 00:54.38 | Kobaz | if you check the pastebin, you'll see the error |
| 00:55.16 | bazhang | mind giving a synopsis here |
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| 00:55.25 | Kobaz | there's not much to it |
| 00:55.38 | Kobaz | i'm doing an upgrade on gettext... via apt-get install gettext |
| 00:55.42 | Kobaz | and then bang, it blows up |
| 00:55.44 | bazhang | single liner then |
| 00:56.56 | annadane | "no dir file" is weird |
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| 01:00.00 | Kobaz | dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 01:00.00 | dpkg | kobaz: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:00.02 | Kobaz | i kind of fixed it |
| 01:00.15 | Kobaz | i just did an exit 0 at the top of the postrm of the old package |
| 01:00.21 | Kobaz | er, prerm rather |
| 01:00.33 | Kobaz | and just did the step manually |
| 01:00.38 | Kobaz | install-info --quiet --remove /usr/share/info/gettext.info |
| 01:00.40 | Kobaz | that's the prerm |
| 01:01.21 | Kobaz | upgrading from an early jessie to the current jessie |
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| 01:01.32 | Kobaz | been having random package problems the whole time, need to baby it along |
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| 01:02.14 | annadane | i would say it might be a problem with your sources.list or sources.list.d but i don't know |
| 01:02.56 | Kobaz | it's pretty basic, it's all straight up jessie |
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| 01:07.43 | otk | ugh. i just noticed recently that mrxvt was removed from debian testing. this is not good. i love mrxvt... (goes back to source distros) |
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| 01:14.56 | burdz_ | just installed debian9.1 on thinkpad 25 anniversary edition. so nice! |
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| 01:16.10 | annadane | burdz_, FWIW the newest is 9.2 |
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| 01:16.47 | annadane | (which you can probably just do an apt upgrade) |
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| 01:17.34 | dvs | no |
| 01:17.40 | dvs | 9.2.1 |
| 01:18.13 | burdz_ | doing the upgrade now :) USB ISO image was a bit behind :( |
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| 01:18.25 | burdz_ | had one lying around |
| 01:18.31 | awal1 | dvs 1, annadane 0, :P |
| 01:18.42 | annadane | it's a contest now...? |
| 01:18.46 | dvs | heh |
| 01:18.54 | awal1 | :D |
| 01:19.05 | burdz_ | wouldn't have mentioned it if I knew it would cause this great contest :P |
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| 01:19.53 | annadane | it's the same though isn't it? if you already have 9.1 you can just apt upgrade and you'll get 9.2.1 |
| 01:20.03 | annadane | unless i'm very much mistaken |
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| 01:20.31 | dvs | wel.... |
| 01:20.33 | burdz_ | yup did exactly that |
| 01:20.34 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:20.51 | annadane | just that if you downloaded 9.2 you should replace with 9.2.1 |
| 01:20.57 | annadane | afaik |
| 01:21.27 | awal1 | some times dist/full-upgrade may make a difference bcoz even under stable sometimes a given pkg (G) may be removed bcoz of security issue or something else |
| 01:21.46 | annadane | right |
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| 01:22.12 | annadane | it occurs to me i've been giving the wrong advice this entire time |
| 01:22.14 | annadane | oh well |
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| 01:23.54 | awal1 | so better dist/full-upgrade if any ... |
| 01:24.29 | annadane | in all seriousness i do apologize for being lazy like that, it isn't acceptable |
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| 01:26.06 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:26.29 | annadane | saying "just apt upgrade" |
| 01:26.34 | awal1 | 99,99% of the time upgrade or dist/full-upgrade have same effect since no new pkgs / newer versions are introduced; removals occurs really rarely |
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| 01:27.07 | annadane | clapack was removed in 9.2 |
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| 01:27.23 | annadane | so yes you'd need to dist-upgrade |
| 01:27.32 | awal1 | yeah |
| 01:28.36 | awal1 | clapack? |
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| 01:30.07 | awal1 | ,v clapack |
| 01:30.08 | judd | No package named 'clapack' was found in amd64. |
| 01:30.48 | annadane | fork of lapack which yes, seems like it's been entirely removed from all releases |
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| 01:35.43 | annadane | some math thing, i don't know |
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| 03:38.42 | VentGrey | Hello Debian users, is someone experiencing a problem to excecute some binaries on Debian 9.2? I installed from netinst, and I've noticed something funny, If I download certain things that contain a binary package/program I get a "file not found" error. |
| 03:39.42 | VentGrey | For example, when I download Playonlinux and get any version of wine I get a home/user/.Playonlinux/winex.x.x/bin/wine not found even tho my file manager shows the wine binary there |
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| 04:39.01 | emrys | hey debian friends |
| 04:39.16 | emrys | i have a question that most of you probably have already got under your belt. |
| 04:40.02 | emrys | could got get lock var/dpkg/lock - open |
| 04:40.15 | emrys | im sure some of you have seem this time after time-- |
| 04:40.31 | emrys | let me know how I can fix this please. I'll throw you a piece of a btc |
| 04:40.33 | emrys | thank you! |
| 04:41.14 | eck | what is the question? |
| 04:41.15 | somiaj | you don't have another instance of dpkg running? Check ps fax |
| 04:41.45 | emrys | i'm trying to install a local perl library |
| 04:41.51 | emrys | or any library for that matter |
| 04:41.51 | emrys | java |
| 04:41.52 | emrys | etc |
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| 04:42.38 | emrys | currently looking throughâ thanks, somiaj |
| 04:43.51 | emrys | couldn't find anything |
| 04:43.58 | emrys | locked out. |
| 04:44.10 | emrys | tried on root |
| 04:44.12 | emrys | then on anothe ruser |
| 04:44.14 | emrys | user* |
| 04:44.16 | annadane | !enter |
| 04:44.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:44.38 | somiaj | if the lock file has been left around, you can just delete it. But this means that some process using the dpkg database crashed, so you could have some issues due to this. |
| 04:45.15 | emrys | somiaj, not to be a complete "noob" |
| 04:45.21 | emrys | what what actually is this dpkg |
| 04:45.26 | emrys | it seems that a lot of things rely on it. |
| 04:45.33 | somiaj | dpkg is the debian package manager that installs/removes packages in debian. |
| 04:45.33 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
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| 04:45.46 | emrys | is it something that I can uninstall and then reinstall? |
| 04:45.55 | emrys | ah! |
| 04:46.00 | somiaj | well how can you reinstall dpkg if you need dpkg to install dpkg. |
| 04:46.08 | emrys | was wondering what acro they were using |
| 04:46.13 | emrys | haha. |
| 04:46.27 | annadane | furthermore, uninstalling and reinstalling anything is no guarantee of a magic fix for your problems |
| 04:46.39 | emrys | ^^agreed |
| 04:46.50 | emrys | i'm thinking about wiping everything clean and starting over |
| 04:46.55 | annadane | (in some cases i can see it working but i feel it's highly situationally dependent) |
| 04:47.03 | emrys | and just for Opsec purposes |
| 04:47.10 | emrys | understandbale. thanks for the input, annadane |
| 04:47.29 | emrys | would you consider |
| 04:47.36 | emrys | the best thing for me to do at the moment is to remove everything |
| 04:47.40 | emrys | and have root, root. |
| 04:47.47 | emrys | but create another account that is standard |
| 04:47.56 | emrys | and use that account and start installing files on there? |
| 04:48.05 | emrys | or should i always install right on root. |
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| 04:48.15 | emrys | just wondering if that messes anything up- |
| 04:49.20 | annadane | how are you installing this "local perl library" |
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| 04:49.45 | emrys | on a standard account |
| 04:49.49 | annadane | no, but how |
| 04:49.51 | annadane | apt install? |
| 04:49.51 | apt | somebody said install was http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 04:49.57 | annadane | ...thanks |
| 04:50.01 | emrys | apt-get install yes |
| 04:50.13 | annadane | okay, well, what is the name of it and version if you know |
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| 04:51.28 | emrys | local lib 2.000024 |
| 04:51.45 | emrys | i know i can just download the .tar |
| 04:51.52 | emrys | but i'm really trying to push myself to work in terminal |
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| 04:52.41 | annadane | well, i'm not really familiar with perl libraries. i had assumed it might be a regular package |
| 04:53.16 | annadane | i'm not being very helpful, sorry |
| 04:54.31 | emrys | im just going to do a git clone |
| 04:54.38 | emrys | thanks again annadane :) |
| 04:54.43 | emrys | that was kind of you to help |
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| 04:57.51 | strk | I upgraded from Debian8 to Debian9 and now the fonts used for Libreoffice menus are too tiny to be readable. Is this something that can be changed via Libreoffice menus or do I need to look into outer system ? |
| 04:57.59 | strk | note that firefox menus (for example) are fine, so this is libreoffice (widget library?)'s specific |
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| 05:02.45 | eric | hello, anyone here familar with the python-apt module?\ |
| 05:03.33 | Guest96418 | I am trying to automate apt, but I keep getting SystemError: E:Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap |
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| 05:04.24 | Guest96418 | Googling around I found this seems to be some internal error and is usually cause by a bad source. But sudo apt-get remove htop, works |
| 05:04.31 | Guest96418 | but my program doing the same thing doesnt |
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| 05:09.42 | annadane | Guest96418, what do you mean "automate apt" |
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| 05:14.18 | Guest96418 | annadane: Basically, python-apt allows you to use apt programatically |
| 05:14.27 | Guest96418 | And within python |
| 05:14.52 | Guest96418 | This is much prefered to say a call to the shell within a python program. |
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| 05:15.54 | annadane | okay, well, mention that first then, because no one had any idea what you were talking about until you answered that question |
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| 06:20.28 | jian-dong | @left |
| 06:20.44 | jolt | veek: for the last question: reboot, at grub add "init=/bin/bash" to the boot options, then mount -o remount -w /; then passwd root |
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| 06:23.05 | veek | jolt, ty |
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| 06:28.29 | veek | can it be done in GRUB |
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| 06:37.33 | dionysus69 | what's the best utility to manage passwords? |
| 06:37.55 | dionysus69 | not seahorse, something simpler and more file/folder oriented, less program dependency the better |
| 06:37.55 | jolt | dionysus69: for your browser or in general? |
| 06:38.03 | dionysus69 | for local storage |
| 06:38.12 | jolt | keepassx seems to be popular |
| 06:38.14 | jolt | or lastpass |
| 06:38.16 | dionysus69 | quick decreption/edit functionality encrypt on exit easy saving |
| 06:38.19 | dionysus69 | stuff like that |
| 06:38.40 | dionysus69 | ok jolt will take a loot at those thanks :) |
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| 06:42.10 | jolt | dionysus69: a previous colleage used keepass and rsynced it to his phone as well. Lastpass is the commercial thingie |
| 06:42.32 | dionysus69 | theres keepass and keepassx |
| 06:42.39 | andre144k | is there an option to mount an usb-disk withou hanging complete system when i cut connection without dismounting? |
| 06:43.57 | andre144k | maybe with mounting and disabling writecache - so - i wldnt lost data when someone wld get disk without dismounting |
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| 06:45.55 | andre144k | ah google my friend - flush :) |
| 06:46.00 | andre144k | or sync |
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| 07:23.38 | brontosaurusrex | how do i switch alsa to use 2nd card? |
| 07:24.04 | jaxson | alsamixer? |
| 07:24.52 | brontosaurusrex | jaxson: doesnt seem to do anything, 2nd card is usb btw : http://paste.debian.net/plain/991187 |
| 07:25.20 | jaxson | yeh it's ben too long since I used dedicated alsa.. |
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| 07:26.51 | GhostInTheShell | brontosaurusrex: alsamixer, then press F6 and you can choose which card to use. |
| 07:27.26 | GhostInTheShell | I do have a USB headphones with integrated audio and this works with them. |
| 07:28.00 | brontosaurusrex | GhostInTheShell: did that, sees the card and let me select it, then silence. |
| 07:28.37 | brontosaurusrex | Thanks anyway, ill abort this, took me 30 minutes allready (for a task that should take 3) |
| 07:28.59 | GhostInTheShell | Check if the player you are using is also using ALSA |
| 07:29.50 | GhostInTheShell | I had this issue few years ago, the player i was using then was not using the ALSA device and yeah, i also heard only silence |
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| 07:31.12 | brontosaurusrex | GhostInTheShell: noted. |
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| 07:31.57 | rudi_s | brontosaurusrex: GhostInTheShell: alsamixer doesn't change the sound card, it only lets you configure it. |
| 07:32.04 | rudi_s | You need to tell the program to use a different soundcard. |
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| 07:32.33 | rudi_s | You can do that for example via the ALSA_CARD environment variable. |
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| 07:35.43 | rgr | where is the best place to see the change log for stable packages. I was here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/wpasupplicant and the changelog link is broken. |
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| 07:36.20 | rant | rgr: changelogs are in the package itself in /usr/share/doc/package |
| 07:36.53 | rant | and apt-listchanges fetches them when you install as well |
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| 07:37.43 | rgr | alsa-mixer does allow you to change sound card in conjnction with alsactl store I think |
| 07:38.22 | rgr | rant, and now they installed already? |
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| 07:38.36 | sasha | hello, i'm trying to mount a image to a path |
| 07:38.37 | rgr | ah ok thanks |
| 07:38.57 | sasha | the command 'mount -o loop /home/sasha/Downloads/2017-09-07-raspbian-stretch-lite.img /tmp/pi/' gives me an error |
| 07:38.57 | rant | changelogs have always been distributed with software debian or otherwise.. |
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| 07:39.08 | sasha | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
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| 07:39.24 | sasha | any idea as to why this is happening and how it can be fixed? the path and image both exist |
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| 07:40.02 | jaxson | anyone run the latest stable, has nvidia driver installed, and xserver-xorg starts? |
| 07:40.08 | rgr | rant, so how do I see the changes for an installed package using apt? apt-listchanges is insisting on a deb. Sorry, just up and a bit slow. |
| 07:40.30 | rant | sasha: well since you're not specifying filesystem type, its trying to guess.. and usually that works, the most common issue I run into that generates those errors is a bad option.. meaning the fs contains an option not supported by the system |
| 07:40.32 | rgr | latest stable? Hopefully everyone here ;) |
| 07:40.55 | jaxson | hehe I'd hope also .. but lots of people probably run testing and such.. |
| 07:41.00 | sasha | hmm rant want kind of option could that be? i think that there are two partitions in this image, could this be causing trouble? |
| 07:41.18 | jaxson | rant have you tried using -t iso9660 |
| 07:41.23 | jaxson | or is it not a cd image? |
| 07:41.25 | rant | rgr: I just told you its installed into /usr/share/doc/package |
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| 07:41.41 | rant | jaxson: sasha is the one with the issue |
| 07:41.57 | jaxson | ahh my bad .. that'll teach me for chan flicking |
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| 07:42.24 | sasha | jaxson: yep i'm the troubled one here, but i tried that option and still get the same error |
| 07:42.34 | rant | rgr: /usr/share/doc/wget/changelog.gz for example |
| 07:42.38 | jaxson | what sort of image is it? |
| 07:43.25 | theo_rnr | i was trying to run apt upgrade this morning, tells me some packages are held back. so i went for dist-upgrade and it's a mess, it wants me to remove xorg, mesa drivers, bumblebee and other packages I still need |
| 07:43.28 | sasha | it's a system image for raspiberry pi |
| 07:43.32 | theo_rnr | what the hell is happening? |
| 07:43.33 | jaxson | ah raspbian.. that should conform to iso9660 |
| 07:43.33 | sasha | *raspberry pi |
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| 07:43.57 | rant | I highly doubt that |
| 07:44.08 | sasha | well I get this as an error when I use that option jaxson https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ULzXR5ln/ |
| 07:44.21 | rant | typically these SOC boot only from SD, so they are typically ext disk images |
| 07:45.14 | rant | its more likely that the system used to make the image has default options for the fs not supported by the system trying to mount it |
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| 07:46.24 | rant | when you aren't specific with a mount command it falls back to default mount options of your system.. many fs can be mounted successfully without the options used to create it enabled, but you have to be specific |
| 07:46.43 | jaxson | ok .. in that case try -t ext4 |
| 07:46.58 | jaxson | or maybe just ext .. I'm not familiar with the img |
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| 07:47.54 | jaxson | so no-one here runs latest stable and uses nvidia drivers? |
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| 07:48.39 | rant | theo_rnr: do not use dist-upgrade for standard upgrades |
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| 07:49.55 | rant | theo_rnr: dist-upgrade was made for when actually upgrading the entire system from one branch to the next.. it is way more liberal about how it upgrades and will allow for things to happen you don't want to happen unless you're actually changing from one release to the next.. it could cause great harm to a system which has other repositories enabled |
| 07:50.08 | sasha | jaxson https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PeO17xX0/ |
| 07:50.15 | theo_rnr | rant, I know but still it's strange even if I'm on testing |
| 07:50.42 | theo_rnr | it's not like I'm never going to run dist-upgrade anymore |
| 07:51.24 | jaxson | sasha, I'd say you probably need to check the site where you grabbed the img.. see if htey have a checksum just to make sure your img is intact |
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| 07:51.32 | rant | if you do things like that on a whim, I would not be at all surprised that your package system is FUBAR |
| 07:51.55 | theo_rnr | rant, FUBAR? |
| 07:52.02 | rant | dist-upgrade will uninstall ANYTHING even your kernel, libc, etc core packages if need be to make something install |
| 07:52.23 | rant | it needs to in order to do an actual dist-upgrade.. its not intended for normal upgrades |
| 07:52.28 | jaxson | FUBAR == stuffed |
| 07:52.36 | jaxson | well that's the lingo here ;) |
| 07:52.48 | sasha | :o |
| 07:52.54 | sasha | jaxson: i never thought of it |
| 07:52.56 | theo_rnr | that's why I always read apt list before! |
| 07:53.15 | theo_rnr | and then I come to the debian IRC for help |
| 07:53.21 | theo_rnr | thanks btw |
| 07:53.24 | rant | f'd ub beyond all recognition, not to be confused with SNAFU which is when the system is normally all f'd up |
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| 07:53.51 | rant | they're real technical military terms :P |
| 07:53.57 | theo_rnr | i see |
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| 07:54.33 | jaxson | haha |
| 07:54.42 | jaxson | rant is true to your nick :) |
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| 07:57.38 | petru | Hi, when I'm trying to install debian on a partition, I'm not able to make bootable on, if I press enter, it remains off |
| 07:57.48 | rant | often the simplest way to install a held=back package is to specify that package implicitly not to use a dangerous command to tell apt go ahead and destroy my system to make it install// because held back isn't somethign dist-upgrade COULD even solve.. because held back means its not even trying to install it.. its a policy not a package issue |
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| 07:59.20 | rant | If I say apt-get install foo and it tells me bar is being held back, apt-get install foo bar <--implicit will often be the simplest way to get it to install that held package because I told it to implicitly |
| 07:59.47 | rant | petru: bootable flags are mostly irrelevant for what its worth |
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| 08:00.09 | rant | petru: I dont think there have been computers that have required bootable flags in decades |
| 08:00.37 | petru | so is it safe to proceed with install? |
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| 08:01.18 | rant | petru: almost certainly.. old legacy x86 hardware had all kinds of issues.. the boot partition could only be a certain size, needed a bootable flag, etc.. that isn't relevant anymore |
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| 08:02.16 | petn-randall | petru: Press enter *where*? |
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| 08:02.27 | petru | when bootable flag is selected |
| 08:02.43 | petn-randall | petru: In the installer? Or what are you currently running? |
| 08:02.53 | petn-randall | !context |
| 08:02.53 | rant | afaik only one partition can be bootable as well |
| 08:02.53 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 08:03.08 | dexta_ | moaning all |
| 08:03.29 | rant | but that just further illustrates that the bootable flag is irrelevant because people dual-boot |
| 08:03.40 | petru | petn-randall: in the graphical installer |
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| 08:04.32 | petn-randall | petru: The bootable flag is irrelevant. grub needs to install cleanly for you to be able to boot. |
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| 08:05.42 | ntz | hey |
| 08:05.44 | ntz | now choke on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrhlyIgo3M :D |
| 08:06.28 | rant | ntz: this is not a social channel, try ##chat, ##etc, ##defocus or #debian-offtopic or such |
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| 08:07.57 | ntz | rant: I know, that's why I said `choke on this ...' ... but we can discuss that further if you wish however I didn't plan it :) |
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| 08:08.37 | ntz | anyhow, live in peace #debian and be kind .... |
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| 08:08.51 | rant | ntz: yeah well try resist that urge in the future.. folk often post yt videos in #debian-offtopic, consider using that channel to share random thoughts |
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| 08:10.46 | theornr | rant, and btw apt upgrade it's now telling me that libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia : Conflicts: libopengl0 |
| 08:11.20 | rant | theornr: oh wow, so imagine that.. apt was holding a package back for a reason then hmm? |
| 08:11.44 | theornr | yuuuuuup |
| 08:11.53 | rant | heh.. let the stuff do its job and don't make things harder on yourself |
| 08:12.34 | theornr | nah, I won't run dist-upgrade, but is this conflict going to cause issues on the next upgrade? |
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| 08:14.11 | rant | who knows.. if you're gonna run testing/unstable you are basically becomming a tester of our software.. your obligation should then be to 1) not rely so heavily on standard support channel, use the testing/unstable channel, and to check the BTS when these sorts of things happen and either file a bug or append an existing bug report |
| 08:14.34 | rant | gave up on using numbered points half way through that |
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| 08:15.18 | theornr | i'll take a look on bugzilla to see if something is already submitted then |
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| 08:18.14 | rgr | "apt-get changelog oackagename" is the simplest. No need to fanny around with compressed changelog files. Ta. |
| 08:18.26 | petru | after installing on an acer e5-553g-1986 I get no bootable device if booting in legacy mode, if booting uefi, then windows boots dirrectly |
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| 08:35.41 | rant | I'm not sure what using the word "fanny" as a verb even means unless its a nice way of saying other f words like fool or finagle or worse.. but using zless /usr/share/doc/package/changelog.gz still seems like the simplest method to me.. it even tab-completes |
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| 08:43.06 | petn-randall | petru: If you have Windows in EFI mode, you need to install Debian in that mode, too. Otherwise you'll be switching back and forth to dual-boot. |
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| 08:43.40 | xfced | Hello, how do i run bittorrent-gui ? command "bittorrent" or "bittorrent-gui" doesn`t work. bittorrent doesn`t show up in xfce menu either. |
| 08:44.17 | colo-work | xfced, any reason for not using the "transmission" application? |
| 08:44.36 | colo-work | (I'm not sure the original bittorrent application is still supported...) |
| 08:45.26 | xfced | well it is available in synaptic |
| 08:45.30 | petn-randall | xfced: "apt-file show bittorrent-gui" or "dpkg -L bittorrent-gui" will show you the package contents. Those binaries aren't named very well, I'd file a bug report. |
| 08:45.44 | petru | petn-randall: there wasn't an option to choose how to install debian but in legacy mode nothing boots, and in uefi, only windows boots |
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| 08:46.14 | petn-randall | petru: You have to change it in EFI setup that it doesn't boot the installer in legacy mode. |
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| 08:46.46 | petru | what do you mean by efi setup? |
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| 08:47.22 | r3m1 | hi ! I have a script that deploy tools for embedded computers. Among other things, I used to set up apache web server by running the command /sbin/insserv apache2 -v. There has been an update recently by the manufacturer. System is Debian 8 and Apache/2.4.10 (Debian). Running insserv does not work anymore, apache2 is not started at boot. When running insserv, I got the following messages : insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (emp |
| 08:47.31 | r3m1 | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `apache2' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6). |
| 08:47.32 | petn-randall | petru: The installer cannot know if your BIOS supports EFI/legacy mode. And if it boots in legacy mode, the BIOS actively prevents it to access the EFI system partition. |
| 08:47.38 | r3m1 | what command should I run to make sure that apache is started at boot ? |
| 08:47.40 | petn-randall | petru: The thing that is your BIOS. |
| 08:47.46 | r3m1 | also, I dont see why this warning is displayed, while the header of /etc/init.d/apache2 script shows correct Default-Start and Defaults-stop runlevels |
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| 08:49.19 | petn-randall | r3m1: How is the manufacturer's distro called? |
| 08:49.37 | petru | petn-randall: is there a way to check if I'm in legacy mode when installing? |
| 08:49.49 | r3m1 | petn-randall: /etc/issue is Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l |
| 08:50.07 | elfranne | I got a network card with multiple addresses, how should i create a bridge with multiple addresses ? tried to make sub interface bridges but i get an error ? do i have to add the sub interface with brctl ? |
| 08:50.11 | r3m1 | and uname -a Linux Moxa 4.1.0-ltsi-rt-uc8100+ #61 Thu Apr 20 15:22:58 CST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 08:50.33 | petn-randall | r3m1: What does 'apt-cache policy' say? You can share it on https://paste.debian.net. |
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| 08:52.28 | r3m1 | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/991204/ |
| 08:52.37 | r3m1 | does not say much |
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| 08:58.43 | petn-randall | r3m1: That is the *complete* output of 'apt-cache policy'? |
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| 08:59.08 | petn-randall | wonders. |
| 09:01.55 | alioui_ | startkde ===> could not start d-bus. can you start qdbus |
| 09:02.08 | alioui_ | how to solve this |
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| 09:07.18 | cybrNaut | the "connect" command seems to be missing from stretch |
| 09:07.58 | cybrNaut | "apt-file search connect" comes up empty |
| 09:08.11 | cybrNaut | what happened? |
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| 09:10.11 | alioui_ | is opensuse or redhat better than debian ?? |
| 09:10.34 | petn-randall | alioui_: no |
| 09:11.29 | darxmurf | and redhat is a pain with their subscription stuff |
| 09:11.32 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: 'apt-get update' before? "connect" is still shipped in connect-proxy, and my "apt-file search connect" gives be a few dozen lines back. |
| 09:11.32 | r3m1 | petn: yes, it was, from a fresh clean computer, out of the box. I just ran apt-get update then apt-cache policy. Here it is: https://paste.debian.net/991208/ |
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| 09:12.26 | petn-randall | r3m1: petn<tab> |
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| 09:12.50 | petn-randall | r3m1: Ah, that looks a lot better. |
| 09:12.52 | oerheks | alioui_, typical a question for opensuse or redhat |
| 09:13.11 | alioui_ | i am unable to setup a simple vnc server. i didn't have this problem on other distro |
| 09:13.30 | alioui_ | what do you want me to thinks |
| 09:13.34 | alioui_ | what do you want me to think |
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| 09:14.11 | oerheks | debian thinks you have a free mind |
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| 09:14.50 | petn-randall | r3m1: insserv is a low-level tool and specific to sysv init. Debian changed the default to systemd with Debian 8, I assume that is the problem. It should start up by default though. Does apache start if you run it by hand? |
| 09:15.05 | cybrNaut | petn-randall: thanks. I think you mean "apt-file update".. anyway, i see it now |
| 09:15.07 | petn-randall | r3m1: 'systemctl status apache2' and 'systemctl start apache2' respectively. |
| 09:15.11 | alioui_ | don't talk on behave of debian |
| 09:15.26 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: 'apt-file update' is deprecated and just runs 'apt-get update'. |
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| 09:16.10 | oerheks | alioui_, care to share what guide you follow? |
| 09:16.30 | cybrNaut | ah, well i'd been doing that.. guess my grepping failed me |
| 09:16.43 | cybrNaut | anyway, got it working now, thanks |
| 09:16.46 | petn-randall | alioui_: If you want help with setting up a VNC server, just ask your questions. |
| 09:16.51 | petn-randall | cybrNaut: Sweet beens :) |
| 09:17.07 | r3m1 | petn-randall: apache2 is not started by default, https://paste.debian.net/991209/ Also I usually do /etc/init.d/apache2 status instead of systemctl. What is the recommanded way ? |
| 09:18.19 | r3m1 | petn-randall: apache2 starts well if I do systemctl start apache2 |
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| 09:18.58 | alioui_ | petn-randall: i already did |
| 09:19.04 | alioui_ | startkde ===> could not start d-bus. can you start qdbus |
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| 09:24.33 | s00x | hey, I cannot login, I see something has wrong happend message instead of login screen |
| 09:24.50 | s00x | My guess it might be nvidia card (1050ti) |
| 09:24.54 | s00x | how can I debug it? |
| 09:25.43 | alioui_ | s00x: use centos |
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| 09:27.28 | alioui_ | debian it is not stable anymore |
| 09:27.29 | darxmurf | s00x which driver are you using ? nouveau or the Nvidia one ? |
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| 09:27.38 | oerheks | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.56 | s00x | I installed ocl-icd-libopencl1 nvidia-driver nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 09:28.10 | s00x | however lspci -v |
| 09:28.14 | s00x | detect Intel as VGA |
| 09:28.19 | s00x | and Nvidia as 3d controller |
| 09:28.21 | darxmurf | folks we don't care about your kids problems, go and fight in the sandbox to resolv it |
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| 09:28.27 | s00x | nvidia-detect doest not detect Nvidia |
| 09:28.31 | elfranne | I got a single NIC with multiple ip adresses, how can i add them to a bridge ? |
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| 09:28.54 | darxmurf | s00x it's a laptop machine ? |
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| 09:29.30 | s00x | yup asus |
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| 09:29.56 | darxmurf | hmmm with this dual graphic card setup ? |
| 09:30.16 | darxmurf | intel for simple tasks and nvidia for 3D ? |
| 09:30.38 | s00x | not sure how to check it |
| 09:30.53 | s00x | but yes, there are two cards there |
| 09:30.56 | darxmurf | yep |
| 09:31.00 | s00x | Intel and Nvidia 1050 Ti |
| 09:31.15 | s00x | I see that inxi -Gxx detect both of them |
| 09:31.18 | darxmurf | those stuffs are a pain to configure sometimes :-x |
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| 09:31.53 | darxmurf | I never had this on linux to be honest... only windows. But what you can do is to have a look in the BIOS to force one card or the other |
| 09:32.50 | darxmurf | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics |
| 09:32.59 | darxmurf | have a look there maybe you'll find some info |
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| 09:33.38 | darxmurf | and good luck :-x |
| 09:34.05 | alioui_ | s00x: that what i am talking about. RIP debian |
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| 09:39.52 | petn-randall | alioui_: Well, can you start qdbus? Is it installed? |
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| 09:40.52 | themill | alioui_: the precise sequence of commands are using is required to know what you are trying to do |
| 09:40.56 | petn-randall | r3m1: You can either use the systemctl command, or the init system agnostic "service", which might be easier to remember if you're using several different distros with different init systems. |
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| 09:43.39 | towo^work | s00x, deactivate the igp in your bios |
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| 09:44.28 | s00x | towo^work: I got dual-boot (with linux). I'd rather have igp on windows |
| 09:45.58 | s00x | (*with windows) |
| 09:46.05 | s00x | I mean both linux + windows |
| 09:46.24 | s00x | but, I got the same problem when I boot with nomodeset |
| 09:47.16 | alioui_ | themill: # apt install vnc4server |
| 09:47.16 | alioui_ | themill: # vncserver -localhost no ## server run fine but when a vnc client connect to it. the server crash and i get that message from the client |
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| 09:52.43 | towo^work | s00x, nomodeset can't help as long you have installed the nvidia driver |
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| 09:52.57 | towo^work | s00x, you would need ti setup bumblebee/primus |
| 09:53.03 | s00x | I see now It's gdm3 error |
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| 09:53.09 | s00x | eglGetDisplay() failed |
| 09:53.13 | s00x | and stuff like that |
| 09:55.31 | s00x | so the problem is gdm3 right? |
| 09:55.50 | towo^work | no |
| 09:55.53 | s00x | towo^work: how can I fully remove nvidia drivers? |
| 09:55.59 | s00x | and check if it works only on Intel? |
| 09:55.59 | towo^work | the problem is the installed nvidia driver |
| 09:56.15 | s00x | I dont mind using only Intel card on my linux |
| 09:56.37 | towo^work | s00x, apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }') |
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| 09:58.37 | Shadur | ... Remind me: You can't add an if statement within a grok stanza, can you? |
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| 10:03.23 | s00x | towo^work: I removed nvidia drivers |
| 10:03.28 | s00x | now I got login screen |
| 10:03.35 | s00x | enter user and password, and it hangs |
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| 10:05.51 | towo^work | look in the Xorg.0.log. what's wrong |
| 10:06.02 | s00x | I can run it with nomodeset |
| 10:06.44 | towo^work | lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 10:08.17 | s00x | open /dev/dri/card0 No such file or directory |
| 10:08.29 | towo^work | but if it is skylake or newer, you need non-free firmware |
| 10:08.43 | towo^work | s00x, why you don't do, what's asked? |
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| 10:09.11 | s00x | towo^work: open /dev/dri/card0 No such file or directory that's from Xorg.0.log you asked |
| 10:09.24 | towo^work | [12:06:44] <towo^work> lspci | grep -i vga |
| 10:09.44 | s00x | got intel there |
| 10:09.49 | towo^work | boah |
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| 10:09.55 | towo^work | paste the output! |
| 10:10.07 | towo^work | and again |
| 10:10.14 | towo^work | [12:08:28] <towo^work> but if it is skylake or newer, you need non-free firmware |
| 10:10.31 | s00x | VGA compatibile controler: Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04) |
| 10:11.24 | s00x | I got non-free |
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| 10:11.48 | towo^work | you got what? |
| 10:11.56 | towo^work | dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 10:13.14 | s00x | please wait, I'll relogin to that second laptop so I'll just copy-paste instead of rewriting |
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| 10:14.55 | s00x` | . |
| 10:15.52 | s00x` | towo^work: https://pastebin.com/raw/4gtC6V6h |
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| 10:16.38 | metaphysician | Changelog link is broken: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/hostapd |
| 10:16.48 | towo^work | s00x`, what intel cpu is that |
| 10:16.50 | towo^work | ? |
| 10:17.10 | s00x | i7 |
| 10:17.37 | towo^work | the exact name |
| 10:18.31 | s00x | Intel Core i7 (how can I check the exact name?) |
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| 10:19.07 | s00x | 7700HQ |
| 10:19.13 | towo^work | cat /proc/cpuiinfo |
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| 10:19.36 | towo^work | so it is a notebook |
| 10:19.43 | s00x` | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz |
| 10:19.50 | s00x` | yes, asus gl553v |
| 10:19.55 | towo^work | it's kabylake and the default debian kernel is way to old |
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| 10:20.57 | towo^work | you should try the backports kernel |
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| 10:21.29 | towo^work | and you propably need firmware-misc-nonfree from testing/unstable |
| 10:21.42 | s00x | why do I exactly need new kernel? Isn't this issue with my graphic card? |
| 10:21.51 | towo^work | andy you need bumblebee if you want to use the nvidia gpu |
| 10:22.11 | towo^work | s00x, the 4.9 kernel does not know kabylake |
| 10:22.20 | towo^work | so in does not know the graphics |
| 10:22.39 | towo^work | and even 4.12.x from backports could be to old |
| 10:22.47 | s00x | I'm not exactly Debian, I'm on debian-based system and my kernel is 4.13 |
| 10:23.09 | towo^work | then you are in the totaly wrong channel |
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| 10:24.41 | s00x | does that much difference that it's debian-based? You helped me a lot, I woudn't even able to start login screen. Now I can with nomodeset (log in) and without nomodeset it hangs |
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| 10:25.06 | towo^work | nomodeset is not a solution |
| 10:25.26 | towo^work | and since no one here knows, what your secret distro do with the kernel, no one can help |
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| 10:26.00 | s00x | my distro is Kali linux it's debian-based, kernel is 4.13 |
| 10:26.15 | towo^work | and again, kabylake should basicly work with linux 4.13, but it should message a firmware loading for the graphics part |
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| 10:26.20 | towo^work | !kali |
| 10:26.20 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 10:26.20 | tw | I imagine there's a trigger for that. |
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| 10:26.30 | towo^work | s00x, good bye |
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| 10:27.39 | alioui_ | !next |
| 10:27.39 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:27.46 | s00x | :x |
| 10:27.57 | babilen | I prefer: |
| 10:28.00 | babilen | !install debian |
| 10:28.00 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 10:28.18 | towo^work | i second that |
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| 10:29.25 | s00x | I realize that Kali is not supported in Debian, but the problem is with strictly related component of Debian |
| 10:29.38 | towo^work | no, is not |
| 10:30.01 | towo^work | and i don't think, kali is the right distro for you |
| 10:30.06 | s00x | it's xorg problem, it's the same both on debian and kali, right? |
| 10:30.19 | Shadur | No, it is not. |
| 10:30.21 | tw | if you're using nomodeset, it's a kernel problem, good sir. |
| 10:30.27 | towo^work | easy installing kali does not gives you the skills to become the greatest hacker on earth |
| 10:30.40 | babilen | s00x: We only support Debian and blends in here due to technical and social reasons. Feel free to install Debian and this channel will try its best to help you. As a Kali user you should use #kali-linux or ##linux |
| 10:30.53 | kopper | towo^work it doesn't? :( |
| 10:30.54 | Shadur | Or at least, that's not a safe assumption because we don't know (and don't /care/) what Kali does or doesn't change in its internals. |
| 10:31.06 | kopper | Guess it's back to wikipedia then |
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| 10:31.50 | alioui_ | s00x: i told you from the start go to CentOS |
| 10:31.52 | towo^work | but kali doe not realy need fancy graphical desktop |
| 10:31.56 | towo^work | so all is fine |
| 10:32.29 | s00x | if I could connect second monitor with nomodeset, I'd leave it as it is |
| 10:32.38 | s00x | but I can't with nomodeset |
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| 10:33.51 | towo^work | again, wrong channel |
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| 10:37.20 | tw | Is there a way to make apt try a proxy first and if it can't connect within some fixed timeout like 5 seconds, retry without the proxy? Use case is a laptop where the majority of updates are done at home where I have an apt-cacher-ng proxy configured, but sometimes when I'm out and about I want to download a new package but don't want to mess with apt configs. |
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| 11:32.55 | ThCTLo | Everthing mount fine with krb5 krb5i and krb5p, execpt my users are not shown as it should with ls and im a bit lost in the export settings. |
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| 11:58.18 | jelly | tw: no, set up a proxy that always works |
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| 11:58.55 | jelly | (be it a transparent one or an explicit http_proxy or apt.conf setting) |
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| 12:05.30 | tw | Will apt respect http_proxy if Acquire::http::Proxy is set? |
| 12:05.45 | tw | Specifically will apt respect an *empty* http_proxy. |
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| 12:06.36 | tw | Tried it, empirically (in stretch) the answer is no. |
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| 12:09.19 | jelly | tw: maybe you want to use no_proxy env. var |
| 12:09.46 | nix64bit | how do i get npm i -g npm to run as local user (not sudo)? |
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| 12:13.01 | colo-work | nix64bit, `sudo` knows the -u/--user switch |
| 12:13.14 | colo-work | it's not limited to switching UIDs to 0 |
| 12:13.18 | colo-work | same goes for `su` |
| 12:14.46 | nix64bit | so i should use sudo -u 'myname' npm -g npm ? |
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| 12:16.06 | nix64bit | I get access denied /usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm |
| 12:16.18 | tw | jelly: also NG. I've also ruled out environment stripping by sudo (by using -i). Apt does not prioritize env over conf. |
| 12:16.37 | tw | `apt-get -o Acquire::http::Proxy=""` did work though. |
| 12:16.46 | nix64bit | do i need to manually chown all the local directories? |
| 12:17.16 | tw | Good enough for one-offs, so I'll call it there. |
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| 12:18.54 | themill | tw: btw apt.conf(5) also documents that this is the case |
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| 12:21.32 | tw | themill: so it does. thanks, sometime i reading comprehnshun not gud. |
| 12:22.08 | nix64bit | OK i gave myself ownership of the /usr/local dir and it worked |
| 12:22.25 | nix64bit | not sure I even had to do that though?? |
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| 12:23.21 | petn-randall | nix64bit: It's a security feature that normal users can't write to /usr/local/, you should tell npm to write to your home dir instead. |
| 12:24.12 | nix64bit | petn-randall: that would quickly become a mess |
| 12:24.44 | themill | tw: also got to remember that the fine manual exists ;) |
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| 12:26.49 | petn-randall | nix64bit: Indeed, since /usr/local/ is used by all system users, including root and many services. |
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| 12:27.45 | nix64bit | petn-randall: well i hope i havent broken anything |
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| 12:27.59 | celyr | it depends on what you did |
| 12:28.14 | celyr | or better |
| 12:28.15 | nix64bit | that is a long story ;) |
| 12:28.29 | celyr | you did break something for sure how easy is to fix that depends on what you did |
| 12:28.54 | celyr | if you do like chmod -r 700 / |
| 12:29.05 | celyr | you are pretty done with that machine |
| 12:29.05 | nix64bit | I just gave myself ownership of /usr/local |
| 12:29.19 | celyr | nix64bit, recursively or not ? |
| 12:29.25 | nix64bit | yes |
| 12:29.39 | celyr | :D |
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| 12:29.43 | nix64bit | i paid for the damn thing ;) |
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| 12:30.37 | celyr | did you use chattr or ? |
| 12:30.53 | nix64bit | chown -R |
| 12:31.05 | nix64bit | chgrp |
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| 12:33.11 | celyr | oh well |
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| 12:35.46 | nix64bit | its all good |
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| 12:44.57 | ZSky | How to AES-encrypt a file with a simple password from command line? |
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| 12:45.27 | SwedeMike | ZSky: https://askubuntu.com/questions/60712/how-do-i-quickly-encrypt-a-file-with-aes |
| 12:45.39 | nix64bit | encfs ~/BC/encrypted ~/BC/decrypted |
| 12:45.42 | abrotman | rot13 ? :) |
| 12:46.02 | ZSky | abrotman: rot13 two times to make it even more secure :p |
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| 12:48.55 | Iridos | if you do it three times, you have triple-des |
| 12:49.18 | jelly | ZSky: this isn't ##cryptography101 |
| 12:49.51 | jelly | xor yesterday, aes today, none of this is debian-specific |
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| 12:50.42 | Iridos | we don't really only do purely debian-specific stuff⦠that would be a bit narrow |
| 12:51.26 | jelly | no, but I bet there's at least two channels more appropriate (and faster!) to get general crypto answers |
| 12:51.41 | Iridos | well |
| 12:51.50 | Iridos | ZSky, aespipe |
| 12:51.53 | Iridos | err, no |
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| 12:52.08 | jelly | /msg alis list crypto -min 200 |
| 12:52.09 | Iridos | err, yes⦠I already forgot what the exact question was |
| 12:52.35 | Iridos | but yeah, aespipe⦠openssl can do the same with more syntax |
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| 12:54.27 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.49 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:55.53 | Iridos | and I could orf answered that faster, but I didn't know there was such a fierce competition with 200 other channels answering simple encryption questions |
| 12:56.47 | brv3512 | according to https://wiki.debian.org/LTS wheezy is still in support (until 31st may 2018). and according to https://lwn.net/Articles/736503/ there is no security fix for wpa_supplicant so far. is the old wpa_supplicant version in wheezy not vulnerable? |
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| 13:01.29 | ThCTLo | hai, is there someone here with good nfs v4 (kerberized) knowledge? |
| 13:01.33 | ThCTLo | Everthing mount fine with krb5 krb5i and krb5p, execpt my users are not shown as it should with ls and im a bit lost in the export settings. |
| 13:01.44 | ThCTLo | but im lots somewhere in my export settings. |
| 13:01.55 | themill | brv3512: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-13077 |
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| 13:05.12 | donofrio | need advice I do not want to change my id_rsa.pub but I'm missing files I guess to I cannot "ssh localhost" ;( |
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| 13:10.14 | brv3512 | themill: thanks! |
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| 13:13.50 | jhutchins | donofrio: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 13:14.16 | brv3512 | themill: so i guess wheezy is not the top priority :) |
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| 13:14.44 | Antares | vsem privet |
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| 13:15.05 | themill | brv3512: yeah |
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| 13:18.52 | segwent | hi .. trying again |
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| 13:19.07 | ^CeLL^ | i want to update my apache version how will it should be done on debian |
| 13:19.08 | themill | !ask |
| 13:19.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:19.23 | themill | segwent: ^^ try asking questions that have answers |
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| 13:20.09 | segwent | So i have deb8 and deb9 setup under hyperv win10 .. I use firefox on these VMs via X .. on deb8 in works as if i am logged in locally .. on deb9 it too slow to use |
| 13:20.10 | donofrio | jhutchins, https://apaste.info/rpKy was expecting it to work, but I cannot logon to localhost ;( |
| 13:20.30 | segwent | i really don't expect an answer .. but any suitable pointers would help |
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| 13:21.41 | themill | donofrio: try asking #ubuntu about setting up your key |
| 13:21.53 | donofrio | themill, - I did |
| 13:21.56 | segwent | I have checked all the hyperv settings and they are the same for both VMs (i have also tried setting deb9 with even higher priority but it does not help |
| 13:22.31 | segwent | the weird thing is only deb8 works .. NO other distros do (that i have tried) |
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| 13:23.38 | themill | donofrio: so ask again |
| 13:23.41 | segwent | deb8 is also running an IRC server (just a local thing) and it still out performs deb9 under these conditions |
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| 13:24.07 | donofrio | themill, people don't seem to like asking twice in under 60 min....so I'm asking here cause you from rock ;) |
| 13:25.01 | themill | donofrio: ask a question that shows you've made progress. Your question description has lots of extraneous information in it when you really just want to ask about setting up authorized_keys |
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| 13:25.57 | donofrio | themill, I've not made progress because I do not want to overwrite the id_rsa_pub file becaue I use sshkey for logins as a client |
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| 13:26.07 | themill | you don't need to |
| 13:26.21 | donofrio | themill, I'm open to any advice |
| 13:26.28 | themill | Ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:27.02 | donofrio | themill, I did already...it's ssh no need to quibble about distwars.... |
| 13:27.18 | themill | ... |
| 13:27.19 | petn-randall | raises eyebrow. |
| 13:27.27 | donofrio | themill, and yes I asked in #ssh as well.... |
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| 13:28.49 | petn-randall | donofrio: If you're running Ubuntu, asking for any help is offtopic in here. It's has nothing to do with distro wars, it's about asking your questions in the right place. We might suggest something that works for us and not for you simply because Ubuntu does something different. |
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| 13:29.40 | donofrio | petn-randall, they don't do anything "diffrent" it's just a name.....it's just ssh....but oh well.... ;( |
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| 13:30.55 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 13:31.02 | frajerzycki | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.26 | hiya | lol |
| 13:31.27 | hiya | :D |
| 13:31.32 | hsarc | oops! |
| 13:31.39 | hsarc | :D |
| 13:31.48 | darxmurf | pom pom pom |
| 13:31.51 | petn-randall | donofrio: Everyone's entitled to an opinion, still doesn't make it on-topic though. |
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| 13:31.58 | hiya | lol |
| 13:32.00 | petn-randall | frajerzycki: You might want to change that password now. :) |
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| 13:32.38 | butgamer | how |
| 13:32.40 | butgamer | ?? |
| 13:32.49 | butgamer | how?? |
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| 13:33.25 | darxmurf | frajerzycki: and also on your other account if you are using the same pass :D |
| 13:33.37 | hiya | darxmurf: lol what? |
| 13:34.40 | colo-work | does anyone in here use Debian to host a highly available NFS service? if so, how? |
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| 13:38.26 | ChrisH | After upgrading to Stretch the KDE/Plasma "Focus follows Mouse" is pretty slow on activating the new window. I tried the different options between click and 'over' in Window actions and behaviour. Delay is set to 0ms (but I did not see any differnece here) Q1: can someone confirm my impression? Q2: Any option to get the fast Deb8 reaction back? |
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| 13:41.13 | ChrisH | colo-work: In the past (years ago) I did similar with HP/UX Service Guard. Initial question I would raise, where should the data come from? Shared fibre disks? Or via iSCSI mirrored local disks on two hosts? Depending on the need, a VM in a ESX V-Motion failover could be sufficient. |
| 13:41.28 | frajerzycki | How do I can change password? |
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| 13:41.57 | ThCTLo | @colo-work hxxps://www.howtoforge.com/high-availability-nfs-with-drbd-plus-heartbeat |
| 13:42.12 | babilen | frajerzycki: "/msg nickserv help set password" |
| 13:42.14 | kopper | frajerzycki: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sendpass |
| 13:42.17 | Nekojimi | frajerzycki, /msg nickserv SETPASS |
| 13:42.39 | Nekojimi | Oh or SENDPASS |
| 13:42.45 | Moosemorals | I'm playing with autoinstall/pressed, and it looks like the auto url= boot parameter doesn't understand https, is that right? |
| 13:42.52 | colo-work | ChrisH, if block device mirroring is a requirement, I'd use drbd |
| 13:42.54 | babilen | (and *ever ever* run "/msg nicksrv identify ...." in a channel .. and best to configure CertFP or SASL) |
| 13:43.22 | babilen | *never ever that is |
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| 13:43.26 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 13:46.23 | ongy | what's the recommended way to go from debian stable to debian testing? Reinstall, or change the release used by apt and dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:47.35 | petn-randall | ongy: Adopt the /etc/apt/sources.list, then run 'apt update && apt dist-upgrade'. If you do, know that we support testing/unstable in #debian-next on OFTC. And that you're willingly testing an unfinished release and things might break any time. |
| 13:47.58 | petn-randall | (which happens in regular intervals) |
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| 13:48.15 | themill | (If you feel the need to ask that question, you probably don't know Debian enough to want to touch testing atm) |
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| 13:49.12 | ongy | I've ran SID before and know the breakage in there. Maybe I should try to just pull in the few packages I need updated from testing. That's possible over some pinning in apt, right? |
| 13:49.50 | petn-randall | ongy: If you want newer software, you should use backports, or backports it yourself. Mixing stable and testing is likely even more unreliable than running testing. |
| 13:49.56 | petn-randall | !backport |
| 13:49.56 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:50.00 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 13:50.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:50.20 | petn-randall | ongy: ^^^ Use this if the package you need isn't in stretch-backports. |
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| 13:51.26 | Nekojimi | FWIW I've been on Debian Testing for ages and I've never really had any critical issues |
| 13:51.41 | Nekojimi | But there is the occasional annoying bug |
| 13:51.51 | petn-randall | YMMV. |
| 13:52.00 | Nekojimi | Yeah :P |
| 13:52.13 | Nekojimi | I didn't know #debian-next existed |
| 13:52.21 | Nekojimi | Oh it's invite-only :( |
| 13:52.31 | petn-randall | Nekojimi: No, it's on OFTC. |
| 13:52.31 | ongy | petn-randall: thx |
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| 13:53.15 | Nekojimi | Oh >.>; |
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| 13:53.30 | Eli_ | Hi! Wondered if I could get some help understanding versions. Been trying to follow the Krack Attack stuff from yesterday. Debian released this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00261.html. Says in stretch, fixed in version 2:2.4-1+deb9u1 |
| 13:53.39 | petn-randall | A while ago every nvidia driver user in testing/sid was dropped into a log terminal because the driver didn't work. If you know how to fix it from the command line without browser/IRC access, you're ready for testing/sid. |
| 13:53.51 | petn-randall | !tracker of doom |
| 13:53.51 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 13:53.54 | Eli_ | In the changelog in /usr/share/doc/linux-headers-amd64, I don't see that version |
| 13:54.07 | Eli_ | and uname -a shows Linux quoin-et 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:54.09 | petn-randall | Eli_: You can check the CVEs in the factoid above. It's been fixed in all releases. |
| 13:54.10 | abrotman | Eli_: wasn't it the wpa package? |
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| 13:54.18 | petn-randall | !krackattack |
| 13:54.30 | Eli_ | My question is about understanding debian versions more than the specific cves |
| 13:54.45 | ZSky | we are all fucked up with krackattack now :( |
| 13:54.54 | abrotman | Eli_: did you check the changelog in /usr/share/doc/wpa/ ? |
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| 13:55.04 | petn-randall | !krackattacks |
| 13:55.04 | dpkg | Just update your wpa_supplicant or hostapd. It has been fixed in 2:2.4-1+deb9u1 for stretch, 1:2.3-1+deb8u5 for jessie, and 1:1.0-3+deb7u4 for wheezy. See also https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3999. See https://www.krackattacks.com/ for details on the attack on WPA2. |
| 13:55.05 | ZSky | what to do with my samsung phone? with my router given by ISP which won't be updated soon? :( |
| 13:55.28 | Eli_ | the advisory doesn't indicate that the version is for wpa... I thought it meant debian's actual release version. I'll check that |
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| 13:55.50 | ZSky | so basically every non-nerd is really fu**ed by krackattacks |
| 13:55.57 | petn-randall | Eli_: It's just a security update like any other, where the package gets updated. |
| 13:56.01 | petn-randall | ZSky: Not really. |
| 13:56.40 | ZSky | petn-randall: why not? |
| 13:56.42 | abrotman | I'd consider this less of a problem than Heartbleed ... |
| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | ZSky: Just because it gets a catchy name, a website, a logo and printed shirts doesn't make it more important than the other 10,000 CVEs every year. |
| 13:57.03 | abrotman | should probably move his thoughts to #debian-offtopic ... |
| 13:57.24 | Eli_ | dpkg_: When you say "fixed in 2:2.4-1+deb9u1", but question is what "fixed in 2:2.4-1+deb9u1" is referring to |
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| 13:57.39 | abrotman | Eli_: dpkg is a bot ... |
| 13:57.45 | Eli_ | Ah, LOL bummer |
| 13:57.50 | abrotman | dpkg: who loves you? |
| 13:57.51 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | So sad ... |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | Eli_: that is a package version string |
| 13:58.45 | ZSky | CVE? |
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| 13:58.55 | abrotman | ZSky: google can answer that for you |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | Eli_: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/wpasupplicant see the string at the top? |
| 13:59.09 | Eli_ | abrotman_: I'd like to be able to look at the changelog associated with "2:2.4-1+deb9u1"... any ideas on how? |
| 13:59.25 | Eli_ | NO WAY |
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| 13:59.28 | Eli_ | So that's it then |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/wpa this is the source package for that change |
| 13:59.58 | petn-randall | !cve |
| 13:59.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, cve is Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, a database of publicly known information security vulnerabilities. http://cve.mitre.org/ Most Debian Security Announcements have a CVE identifier, ask me about <dsa>. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information. |
| 14:00.02 | petn-randall | ZSky: ^^^ |
| 14:00.29 | Eli_ | So the advisory says it affects wpa_supplicant as well as hostapd. And the same version applies to hostapd https://packages.debian.org/stretch/hostapd. |
| 14:00.37 | ZSky | thanks! |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | Eli_: are you telling or asking? |
| 14:01.02 | segwent | heh .. it turns out deb9 is not using hardware accell in firefox .. anybody here no anything about that ? |
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| 14:01.16 | segwent | know* |
| 14:01.17 | Eli_ | abrotman_: Confirming what you wrote |
| 14:01.44 | abrotman | Eli_: yes, if you check the source package page, you'll see the associated packages that have been updated .. I believe they all share teh same version string |
| 14:02.02 | Eli_ | Thanks... So that's a package version, but the debian advisory didn't really indicate which package LOL... makes it kind of difficult to track, but at least you've helped me figure out what the version referred to. Thanks! |
| 14:02.15 | abrotman | it did tell you which package |
| 14:02.22 | Eli_ | It did? |
| 14:02.32 | abrotman | Eli_: https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3999 |
| 14:02.42 | abrotman | well, teh source package |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | to be fair, the DSA could mention which binary packages were part of that source package in an easily discernable way .. |
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| 14:04.15 | abrotman | but if you click on "wpa" at hte top of the URL above, you get taken to: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=wpa |
| 14:04.18 | Eli_ | Yeah I'm reading that advisory. It says "Those vulnerabilities applies to both the access point (implemented in hostapd) and the station (implemented in wpa_supplicant)", but further down it says "For the stable distribution (stretch), these problems have been fixed in version 2:2.4-1+deb9u1." I guess I didn't realize that referred to hostapd |
| 14:04.36 | abrotman | which does show you which binary packages are associated .. but having it in the actual DSA would be nice |
| 14:04.40 | Eli_ | Oh ok |
| 14:04.42 | Eli_ | Cool |
| 14:05.00 | abrotman | I'm sure someone will tell me I'm crazy in a few minutes :) |
| 14:05.05 | Eli_ | Yeah, glad you can confirm it's a little confusing, I don't usually pay this close attention but I want to get better at understanding this stuff, so thanks for the help |
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| 14:12.44 | jelly | ZSky: every user was, and is screwed by vendors almost complete lack of timely security updates for mobile devices for years. This set of exploits just makes it a bit more obvious. |
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| 14:14.35 | ZSky | jelly: the thing is that, now, we know that everything we transmit via wifi is totally unsecure :( |
| 14:14.45 | ZSky | I mean at least with android phones |
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| 14:15.23 | petn-randall | ZSky: And Apple phones. |
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| 14:16.12 | ZSky | Let's go back to Ethernet cables, even in the streets :p |
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| 14:20.14 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 14:20.33 | petn-randall | It's not the first time wifi was broken, and this breakage is even less severe than the WEP one. |
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| 14:25.35 | brv3512 | open wifi and leave the encryption to other protocol layers :) |
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| 14:25.56 | himuraken | Anyone else here use gnome-connection-manager and have any idea why their site has been down for weeks? |
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| 14:26.03 | durg | or just install the new wpa packages |
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| 14:33.21 | darxmurf | hmmm why sometimes dist-upgrade kicks out half of my installed packages ?! |
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| 14:33.51 | Iridos | because you did something weird? |
| 14:34.35 | Iridos | hm |
| 14:35.28 | Iridos | actually I have wanted to visualize or otherwise write a tool that helps you show the root cause of this without all the debugging one usually has to do⦠|
| 14:36.08 | Iridos | what version of debian is this and would you mind sharing the full current state to play around with? |
| 14:36.15 | darxmurf | Iridos: nop, just using testing release |
| 14:36.26 | darxmurf | apt-get upgrade then dist-upgrade |
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| 14:36.44 | Iridos | well, running testing is weird :P |
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| 14:37.18 | Iridos | what very likely happens is that some upgrade conflicts with a large meta-package like gnome or something |
| 14:37.43 | darxmurf | apparently yep |
| 14:37.51 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 14:37.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:38.03 | darxmurf | but why to kick out thunderbird and audacious Oo |
| 14:38.41 | darxmurf | anyway, I reinstalled it and see after a next reboot ^^ |
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| 14:44.57 | veek | where can i get a copy of lbx11-dbg-sym - gdb bt is ??? olvwm crashes in sid |
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| 14:46.36 | veek | #0 0x00007f6492c484c7 in XKeysymToKeycode () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 |
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| 14:59.03 | judd | Package: libx11-6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.5.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2:1.5.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2:1.6.2-3; buster: 2:1.6.4-3; sid: 2:1.6.4-3; stretch: 2:1.6.4-3 |
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| 14:59.21 | judd | Package: libx11-6-dbg on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.5.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2:1.5.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2:1.6.2-3 |
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| 14:59.39 | lucrus | hello all |
| 14:59.46 | veek | great so stretch doesn't have it |
| 15:00.08 | lucrus | Huston, I've a problem |
| 15:00.13 | petn-randall | veek: -debug packages are a separate repo. |
| 15:00.27 | veek | which one |
| 15:00.39 | lucrus | I've just deleted a qemu-kvm virtual machine. The wrong one |
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| 15:01.02 | petn-randall | veek: See https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages |
| 15:01.23 | veek | ty petn-randall |
| 15:01.24 | lucrus | as soon as I realized it was wiping the wrong VM, I unplugged the power from my pc and booted sysrescuecd |
| 15:01.55 | petn-randall | lucrus: Restore from backups. |
| 15:02.00 | lucrus | ahahah |
| 15:02.07 | petn-randall | ahahahaha |
| 15:02.18 | petn-randall | lucrus: I guess now you'll be making backups? |
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| 15:02.53 | lucrus | 2TB of family pictures and videos, no space to make backups, no money to buy storage |
| 15:03.11 | colo-work | so "it's been fun while it lasted", I guess? |
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| 15:03.53 | lucrus | please, seriously, it was a .raw file |
| 15:04.34 | lucrus | I know its name and the folder it was in |
| 15:04.46 | lucrus | e.g. /var/lib/libvirt/images/i5s.raw |
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| 15:05.19 | colo-work | lucrus, what filesystem are we talking about? |
| 15:05.28 | colo-work | btw, _now_ is the time to buy storage |
| 15:05.31 | lucrus | ext4 both for host and guest |
| 15:05.51 | colo-work | so you can store a block-by-block dump of the volume that hosted the file as a working copy/backupy copy |
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| 15:06.10 | veek | petn-randall, i added - no luck - still reading that page deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ unstable-debug main |
| 15:06.10 | colo-work | and you can try different methods for recovery |
| 15:06.37 | lucrus | I guess I need a 2TB+ free storage to do so |
| 15:06.45 | colo-work | yup |
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| 15:07.26 | lucrus | well, the host actually has a raid0 volume too, which happens to be 2TB |
| 15:08.18 | lucrus | I start copying |
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| 15:08.28 | lucrus | what are the methods, once the copy is done? |
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| 15:09.27 | durg | raid0 actually is the worst kind of raid in terms of data recovery |
| 15:10.34 | segwent | can anybody help me figure out why deb8 uses HW accel for firefox/iceweasel without being forced .. but deb9 does not even if forced ? |
| 15:10.38 | lucrus | no no, I don't need to recover from raid0, I plan to use that raid0 as storage for the working copy |
| 15:10.45 | colo-work | lucrus, ext3grep, extundelete |
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| 15:12.30 | lucrus | colo-work, thanks |
| 15:13.02 | durg | yes, just for the future, i wouldn't trust my backups to a raid0 |
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| 15:14.13 | lucrus | durg, I know, that's why I wasn't using that for backups. It was there for video editing in fact, but it has only temporary mjpeg frames |
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| 15:15.00 | petn-randall | lucrus: Since the VM storage file is probably distributed of the whole filesystem, your best bet is to use recovery tools that look for file signatures. All files you recover will have no filenames or timestamps on them, though. |
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| 15:15.53 | lucrus | petn-randall, meaning extundelete won't be able to recover the whole file even if it manages to find where it started from? |
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| 15:28.16 | petn-randall | lucrus: extundelete *might* recover the whole VM image, then you're in luck. Otherwise you can use other forensic tools to restore file from *within* the VM, without filenames/timestamps. |
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| 15:29.42 | lucrus | petn-randall, since I haven't enough storage for both a block level backup and the eventually recovered vm image, is it safe to try extundelete on the not mounted original filesystem? |
| 15:30.24 | petn-randall | lucrus: When using forensic tools, all bets are off. |
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| 15:31.02 | spacebug^ | haha omg, my eyes (or my mind). I read "forensic toilets". Whaaaat? :) |
| 15:31.54 | petn-randall | !lart spacebug^ |
| 15:31.54 | dpkg | hauls spacebug^ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 15:32.03 | spacebug^ | hehe |
| 15:32.05 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 15:33.24 | lucrus | ok I make the backup and head my browser to amazon meanwhile... |
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| 15:35.06 | deicide- | hello, what should i look for\learn if i want to run backup\media server? |
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| 15:35.25 | nkuttler | deicide-: those are two different things |
| 15:35.34 | lucrus | deicide-, how to make backups... |
| 15:35.39 | deicide- | i need the server to do both |
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| 15:37.29 | lucrus | so, fs backup command is: dd if=/dev/mapper/vg0-root of=/dev/md1 bs=4096 |
| 15:37.46 | lucrus | is that good enough for a block level backup? |
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| 15:39.21 | doslas | hi |
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| 15:39.48 | doslas | i need install this |
| 15:39.50 | doslas | http://ifxsoftware.com/order/eval.php |
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| 15:40.14 | deicide- | no |
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| 15:40.16 | doslas | from script file |
| 15:40.26 | doslas | how to? |
| 15:40.49 | kn100 | I am trying to package a app I've written in Go into a deb but am not entirely sure how all this works - I keep running into pbuilder-satisfydepends complaining about Go dependencies and I'm not sure how to handle them. Anyone got any advice? |
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| 15:41.58 | jelly | lucrus: if /dev/mapper/vg0-root has a filesystem on it, you want to make sure the filesystemis unmounted or mounted read-only during an image backup |
| 15:42.09 | kn100 | the build process is super simple, just "go get" and then "go build" - I'm guessing it's failing because however pbuilder is attempting to build it is expecting the go deps to be packages |
| 15:42.24 | jelly | lucrus: if this is not possible, use snapshots, else your backup won't be consistent |
| 15:42.52 | lucrus | jelly, thanks, it's not mounted |
| 15:44.16 | jelly | lucrus: then it's going to be fine as long as the destination block device is same or larger size than the source |
| 15:44.32 | lucrus | jelly, yes it is |
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| 15:45.58 | jelly | lucrus: personal preference: I'd put a backup into a file, not directly on a block dev, the file name can contain useful metadata (like a timestamp and basic info about the source) |
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| 15:48.07 | lucrus | jelly, thanks but see above, I'm making a working copy of a partition to run forensics tools and hopefully recover a deleted file |
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| 15:49.46 | jelly | my bad, I did not look at any context before the dd command |
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| 15:58.52 | siodor | good evening everyone, I'm trying to automount a usb flash drive based on its ID_FS_LABEL but the udev rule I've created doesn't work but I know that this rule once worked in raspbian wheezy and now I'm on raspbian stretch, this is my rule https://pastebin.com/ThNZaWX0 |
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| 16:07.26 | jelly | siodor: ask in #raspbian |
| 16:08.07 | jelly | and be patient |
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| 16:22.50 | Nawab | ,v python3-pypeg2 |
| 16:22.51 | judd | Package: python3-pypeg2 on amd64 -- buster: 2.15.2-1; sid: 2.15.2-1 |
| 16:23.06 | mrr0butt | how can i turn on auto-login on debian 9.2.0 + xfce-desktop + lightdm? |
| 16:23.09 | Nawab | isnt it available in stretch? |
| 16:24.00 | hsarc | hello everyone |
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| 16:24.14 | Nawab | hsarc: ask not to ask |
| 16:24.31 | Nawab | and yes hello |
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| 16:24.50 | mrr0butt | autologin-user= setting in lightdm.conf has no effect |
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| 16:33.10 | rant | mrr0butt: you could just use nodm if all you want is autologin, because thats all it does |
| 16:33.19 | rant | its what I'm using |
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| 16:34.58 | incal | if we are talking autologin on systemd, I have that, by doing this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Automatic_login_to_virtual_console |
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| 16:38.16 | mrr0butt | what i want is debian to autologin in to xfce session on boot |
| 16:38.24 | mrr0butt | [SeatDefaults] |
| 16:38.26 | mrr0butt | autologin-user=username |
| 16:38.26 | mrr0butt | autologin-user-timeout=0 |
| 16:38.49 | mrr0butt | it works :3 |
| 16:39.22 | eck | it's a halloween miracle |
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| 16:46.21 | mahdii313 | HI PLEASE HELP ME HOW TO REGISTER |
| 16:47.12 | annadane | mahdii313, "/msg nickserv help" |
| 16:47.42 | annadane | i guess /msg nickserv help register is more helpful |
| 16:48.01 | mahdii313 | WHERE SHOULD I WRITE IT PLEASE |
| 16:48.26 | annadane | just in your irc client |
| 16:48.33 | annadane | the / character means execute a command |
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| 16:48.46 | jelly | mahdii313: also, STOP YELLING |
| 16:49.11 | annadane | just when you put in your username and password be sure you don't put a space between the start of the line and / or we'll all see your password etc |
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| 16:49.30 | annadane | better to just put any sensitive information in nickserv's personal message window |
| 16:49.47 | mahdii313 | i am not yelling |
| 16:50.02 | jelly | mahdii313: type: /query NickServ |
| 16:50.04 | TheHottestPotato | yeah you kinda were, all caps and all |
| 16:50.20 | jelly | mahdii313: then write stuff for NickServ in that tab |
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| 16:51.12 | jelly | mahdii313: if you feel you need more help with HexChat, /join #hexchat |
| 16:51.15 | kion | mahdii313, people in irc are trained to react to capitals as if you were yelling, maybe we should just get rid of that training, I just don't see why it matters to use capitals or lower case... |
| 16:51.49 | TheHottestPotato | It's very ingrained, I don't think people could shake it if they tried |
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| 16:52.51 | kion | as much as I would love the discussion, I know that stealing the focus of this room from Debian is rude, so I apologize and will stop talking about other stuff |
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| 16:58.55 | digdug_ | hello! i have a problem with a debian install. |
| 16:59.00 | digdug_ | everything is working fine for now... |
| 16:59.13 | digdug_ | but when i removed some package, a bunch of packages got added to the autoremove list |
| 16:59.22 | digdug_ | and i get that message every time i do something with apt-get |
| 16:59.40 | ChmEarl | digdug_, copy the list and manually install them |
| 16:59.56 | digdug_ | there are 67 of them, and when i do an autoremove, the appearance of gnome changes and a few other things |
| 17:00.03 | digdug_ | thank you |
| 17:00.42 | ChmEarl | digdug_, this kind of thing is routine, so thats what I do to make the autoremove demand go away |
| 17:01.00 | digdug_ | first time it's happened to me |
| 17:01.09 | annadane | "autoremove" is optional |
| 17:01.17 | annadane | you have to seperately enter the command yourself |
| 17:01.27 | digdug_ | yep |
| 17:01.28 | annadane | that being said, what are you installing to put 67 in the autoremove list? |
| 17:01.39 | annadane | upgrade from jessie? |
| 17:01.44 | digdug_ | i was just cleaning up, i only removed a couple of packages |
| 17:01.48 | digdug_ | nope, i'm still on jessie |
| 17:01.56 | digdug_ | or maybe even earlier |
| 17:02.15 | digdug_ | wheezy |
| 17:03.04 | annadane | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:03.17 | CarlGauss | just make sure you actually want to delete what autoremove wants to remove |
| 17:03.30 | CarlGauss | sometimes it wants to delete stuff you dont want to |
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| 17:04.14 | digdug_ | that's exctly the problem i encountered, CarlGauss |
| 17:04.24 | digdug_ | luckily i saved a snapshot right before |
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| 17:06.15 | _ppp | is it a possible to upgrade from debian 7 to 9 directrly? |
| 17:06.25 | _ppp | or should go 7 - 8 then 8 to 9 |
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| 17:07.02 | mutante | _ppp: you should go 7,8,9 |
| 17:07.09 | CarlGauss | digdug_: you can apt install the packages that you don't want to be shown in autoremove |
| 17:07.33 | _ppp | time comsuming mutante ! |
| 17:07.56 | petn-randall | _ppp: Well, the other option is to go from 7 to 9, which is fast, but gives you a broken system. |
| 17:08.02 | jelly | _ppp: skipping releases is absolutely unsupported. There's code in place that fixes things during upgrade from 7 to 8 that gets removed in 9 |
| 17:08.15 | jelly | and so on |
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| 17:08.27 | mutante | _ppp: i haven't actually tried it myself, maybe it can work , but the general consensus is "not supported" yea |
| 17:08.47 | _ppp | is there any tool to roll out an upgrade say to 50 machines at the same time? |
| 17:08.56 | petn-randall | mutante: It definitely won't work. |
| 17:08.58 | jelly | mutante: that's not a consensus, that's a fact |
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| 17:09.37 | _ppp | like a tool to select the servers, and say upgrade :) |
| 17:09.38 | mutante | something being a fact doesnt make it not consensus, but ok |
| 17:09.47 | _ppp | 50 machiens at a time with a nice gui |
| 17:09.49 | _ppp | any tools? |
| 17:10.04 | FinalX | windows? |
| 17:10.05 | mutante | not anymore since the "nice gui" part was added, heh |
| 17:10.10 | _ppp | hehe |
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| 17:10.15 | _ppp | forget about the gui then |
| 17:10.22 | FinalX | puppet |
| 17:10.28 | _ppp | what puppet? |
| 17:10.29 | mutante | _ppp: puppet, dsh, salt, cumin |
| 17:10.31 | CarlGauss | _ppp: you should probably use salt/ansible/puppet |
| 17:10.35 | mutante | unattended-upgrades |
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| 17:11.20 | jelly | debian does not have a script for release upgrades |
| 17:11.25 | FinalX | puppet manages configuration of machines, but can also handle upgrades and such if they need to be managed. unattended-upgrades is excellent for automatic security updates or packages of your choice etc per machine. |
| 17:11.27 | _ppp | https://puppet.com/ ? |
| 17:11.44 | FinalX | _ppp: yeah, we use that for >1000 servers |
| 17:11.45 | jelly | unattended-upgrades is for patching up within a release |
| 17:11.49 | FinalX | yup |
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| 17:12.17 | fxb | can't I just replace http://'s by https://'s in /etc/apt/sources.list if I have apt-transport-https installed? |
| 17:12.19 | jelly | _ppp: there's a dozen configuration management systems like ansible, puppet, chef, etc. |
| 17:12.27 | FinalX | though upgrading entire distro releases of debian is still quite a task in any case, you need to be aware of everything you're upgrading and what it might break |
| 17:12.27 | _ppp | ok |
| 17:12.40 | mutante | _ppp: you can use something like dsh/cumin to just run commands over ssh on many servers at once. so the "poor man's"-puppet would be to just run "apt-get upgrade" or something via ssh but on 20 boxes at once |
| 17:12.52 | FinalX | fxb: depends on what mirror you are using, the mirror needs a valid ssl certificate |
| 17:12.54 | mutante | (that said i would not do all of them at once) |
| 17:13.08 | FinalX | and many mirrors are not run by Debian themselves and will therefore not have a debian.org/.net cert |
| 17:13.15 | _ppp | i need to monitor the output too not only run |
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| 17:14.28 | segwent | is it possible to down grade firefox from 52.4 to 45.9 on stretch ? |
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| 17:15.30 | fxb | FinalX: "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib non-free" doesn't work for example.. It gives me: |
| 17:15.32 | fxb | E: The repository 'https://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file. |
| 17:15.32 | fxb | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
| 17:15.34 | annadane | segwent, afaik, no |
| 17:15.40 | annadane | assuming you mean esr |
| 17:15.52 | fxb | (with https) |
| 17:16.04 | FinalX | fxb: well, then that mirror is not configured on https |
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| 17:16.12 | FinalX | fxb: like I said, you can't blindly do what you suggest |
| 17:16.16 | segwent | yea esr - i tried installing iceweasel not firefox but the version is still 52.4 |
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| 17:16.25 | jelly | segwent: it's possible to install an old version from snapshots, but firefox 52esr may have done incompatible changes to your user profile |
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| 17:16.44 | jelly | segwent: 45esr is not supported any more, I think |
| 17:16.45 | FinalX | but, packages are signed and the keys are in your local debian install to verify package integrity, so it's not unsafe to use http rather than https if you're worried about package security/integrity |
| 17:17.02 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 17:17.03 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:17.05 | FinalX | (and yes, I also want https:// regardless, just because) |
| 17:17.29 | fxb | FinalX: that's good to know at least, thanks for clarifying :) |
| 17:17.33 | segwent | well .. 45.9 on deb8 does good HW accel .. 52.4 on stretch does not ! |
| 17:17.52 | segwent | other than debian these VMs are identical and on the same host |
| 17:18.08 | nulleip | why dont you remove it with apt and compile the source from firefox repository? |
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| 17:18.28 | jelly | segwent: curious, did you try using a different desktop environment, not gnome? |
| 17:18.31 | FinalX | note to self.. set up my own repo |
| 17:18.41 | jelly | nulleip: because compiling firefox is a pain? |
| 17:18.47 | segwent | jelly: no DTE .. xorg into the server |
| 17:18.50 | mutante | because you will never install upgrades? |
| 17:19.03 | jelly | segwent: du you use a compositor? |
| 17:19.07 | nulleip | if he wanted updates he better off using the latest version...; |
| 17:19.19 | jelly | segwent: which wm, then? |
| 17:19.26 | mutante | i would say he is better of using a stable and maintained package |
| 17:19.54 | jelly | segwent: these are inside VMs, right? |
| 17:20.04 | jelly | seems to remember something from yesterday |
| 17:20.25 | segwent | jelly: yes |
| 17:20.30 | jelly | segwent: because maybe it's not (just) firefox' fault |
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| 17:21.14 | segwent | jelly: yes could be other versions of things like xorg .. but according foirefox about:support the GPU is identical |
| 17:21.18 | jelly | segwent: which window manager are you using, if not a desktop environment |
| 17:21.18 | bosma | I have coredumps in /var/lib/systemd/coredump (one from today), coredumpctl list (run as root) gives "No coredumps found." |
| 17:21.35 | segwent | jelly: X |
| 17:21.45 | jelly | segwent: X is not a window manager. |
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| 17:22.51 | segwent | jelly: there is no DTE installed .. i am ssh -X into the server |
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| 17:23.07 | jelly | segwent: and you expect any acceleration thru ssh -X ? |
| 17:23.18 | jelly | that basically cannot work, sorry |
| 17:23.31 | segwent | It works perfectly in deb 8 |
| 17:23.46 | jelly | I have no idea how it can possibly work there |
| 17:23.48 | nulleip | wow |
| 17:24.05 | jelly | segwent: what's your host OS? |
| 17:24.11 | nulleip | i vote xorg related |
| 17:24.26 | segwent | host OS = win10pro 64 |
| 17:24.50 | jelly | working video or 2D acceleration over X11Fornwarding is _very_ interesting |
| 17:24.54 | nulleip | xserver-xorg |
| 17:24.59 | jelly | segwent: and which X server on windows? |
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| 17:25.31 | nulleip | XWin? |
| 17:25.31 | segwent | jelly: hehe no .. I am using linux mint as my actual desktop remotely to the VM server |
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| 17:25.53 | jelly | segwent: you lost me, sorry |
| 17:26.08 | jelly | what VM server now? |
| 17:26.18 | segwent | jelly: i gtg4now .. maybe speak later .. but thanks |
| 17:26.28 | jelly | ciao |
| 17:26.43 | segwent | dinner time ;) |
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| 17:27.11 | annadane | dpkg, tell segwent about based on debian |
| 17:27.24 | jelly | segwent: linux mint -> (??? protocol) -> VM host (win10 64bit) -> (ssh -X???) -> Debian 9 guest? |
| 17:28.06 | jelly | segwent: next time you're around, draw a picture |
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| 17:29.04 | segwent | will do .. back later :) sorry did not mean to go off-topic .. just let me know if i get too far OT |
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| 17:46.40 | Kobaz | how do i get the ./configure commandline for a debian package |
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| 17:46.43 | Kobaz | ie: apache2 |
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| 17:48.25 | mahdi313 | HI |
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| 17:49.36 | eck | if i install a package from backports with "apt-get -t stretch-backports install ...", will apt-get update automatically update the package in the future if a new version is uploaded to backports? or do i always need to use the -t option to make apt get that repo? |
| 17:49.37 | mahdi313 | i have been registered but when i quit and return it shows that i am not registerd please help me where should i put my username and password |
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| 17:49.56 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.14 | towo` | eck, if the pinning of the backports repo is >= 100, yes |
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| 17:50.44 | nodiscc | eck, by default yes |
| 17:51.08 | LtL | Kobaz: ./configure is the first command you issue to compile source code. Debian Apache2 does not require ./configure that i've ever needed with apache |
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| 17:51.39 | Kobaz | what are you talking about? |
| 17:51.47 | towo` | Kobaz, https://sources.debian.net/src/apache2/2.4.25-3%2Bdeb9u2/debian/rules/ |
| 17:51.50 | Kobaz | i'm looking for the ./configure command line options that are used |
| 17:51.51 | Kobaz | there you go |
| 17:51.54 | Kobaz | towo`: thanks |
| 17:52.09 | towo` | read it there, override_dh_auto_configure: |
| 17:52.18 | Kobaz | yeap, nifty |
| 17:52.32 | eck | what if i didn't explicitly pin it, and i literally just ran "apt-get -t stretch-backports install foo"? and my /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty |
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| 17:52.56 | annadane | mahdi313, if you want you can probably set up your irc client to automatically identify you; i certainly don't identify manually every time i log in |
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| 17:53.23 | towo` | eck, then propably not, i don't know the default pin of backports |
| 17:53.38 | towo` | eck, apt policy will tell you |
| 17:53.44 | mahdi313 | annadane how to make it automatically identify |
| 17:53.44 | jhutchins_wk | mahdi313: Your irc client probably has a way to associate your password with this server. |
| 17:53.53 | n4dir | i never heard anyone mention that you would have to tell apt explicitly to update all the packages installed from backports. |
| 17:53.54 | annadane | mahdi313, it depends on your irc client |
| 17:54.06 | eck | ah |
| 17:54.11 | annadane | mahdi313, you can probably just google it... |
| 17:54.14 | eck | it says the pinning is 100 |
| 17:54.20 | eck | so i guess it will Just Work |
| 17:54.20 | n4dir | that is: i assume and am pretty sure it happens automatically |
| 17:54.30 | towo` | eck, then packages installed from there will be updated from there |
| 17:54.33 | Im_bad_at_linux | Hey guys, just installed nvidia proprietary driver and now my desktop cant load anymore, i can fall back to tty2 but cant get GUI up and running. I already rebooted it. |
| 17:54.37 | eck | thanks! |
| 17:54.38 | LtL | eck: it will get updated automatically. |
| 17:54.44 | annadane | Im_bad_at_linux, stable? |
| 17:55.02 | Im_bad_at_linux | Ah crap no i'm on buster |
| 17:55.09 | towo` | Im_bad_at_linux, because you have a notebook? |
| 17:55.11 | annadane | Im_bad_at_linux, #debian-next itc.oftc.net |
| 17:55.17 | Im_bad_at_linux | Debian-next is it right? |
| 17:55.18 | jhutchins_wk | eck: Yes, if you don't mess with pinning and just install a backported package, the package will be updated from backports when available. |
| 17:55.28 | Im_bad_at_linux | Ye sorry forgot |
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| 17:56.59 | jhutchins_wk | eck: Pinning is an archaic system from back before backports were as common and reliable as they are and people used to mix releases. It's still sometimes used in testing, but shouldn't be part of a stable/production system. |
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| 17:57.12 | Im_bad_at_linux | I'm not invited to Debian-next it says |
| 17:57.21 | annadane | Im_bad_at_linux, oftc, not freenode |
| 17:57.29 | Im_bad_at_linux | Ah j |
| 17:57.32 | Im_bad_at_linux | Thx |
| 17:57.32 | jhutchins_wk | Im_bad_at_linux: What directions did you follow to install the drivers? |
| 17:58.02 | Im_bad_at_linux | I just did sudo apt install nvidia-drivers |
| 17:58.13 | Im_bad_at_linux | And rebooted after |
| 17:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | !nvidia |
| 17:58.37 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:59.28 | annadane | should be "nvidia-driver" but i think that's what you meant anyway |
| 18:00.02 | towo` | Im_bad_at_linux, again, a notebook? |
| 18:00.11 | Im_bad_at_linux | Laptop |
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| 18:00.23 | Im_bad_at_linux | I assuume i'm gonna need to do the bumblebee thing? |
| 18:00.24 | towo` | then remove all nvidia packages |
| 18:00.42 | towo` | nearly all notebooks are optimus |
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| 18:01.19 | Im_bad_at_linux | K just did apt remove nvidia-driver |
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| 18:01.24 | Im_bad_at_linux | And apt autoremove |
| 18:01.41 | deer | hi guys |
| 18:01.49 | Im_bad_at_linux | Should have removed them all right? |
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| 18:02.10 | deer | i have a bit of a hassle with my debian installation |
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| 18:02.46 | deer | first of all, it's installed on thinkpad t420 |
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| 18:04.06 | deer | the problem involves pm-utils |
| 18:04.13 | deer | pm-hibernate to be precise |
| 18:04.29 | deer | after resuming from hibernation, laptop's display is off |
| 18:04.50 | deer | it resumes all right aside from that, because external display (eg. vga one) works fine |
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| 18:05.29 | deer | i figured out, that i have to use pm-hibernate with `--quirks-dpms-on` |
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| 18:06.28 | deer | but hibernating using my desktop enviroment doesnt work |
| 18:06.57 | deer | i assume i have to edit some systemd configs, but i don't know where to start with this |
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| 18:07.31 | deer | can anyone help me? |
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| 18:10.57 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:10.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:11.26 | deer | !ask |
| 18:11.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:12.40 | deer | so i should `!ask` with all of requested information directly after that, right? |
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| 18:14.04 | annadane | deer, you don't need to type !ask |
| 18:14.09 | LtL | deer: no, just provide the relevant info as requested by the robot |
| 18:14.29 | annadane | i actually thought the question was clear enough... |
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| 18:14.57 | LtL | me too |
| 18:15.08 | deer | okay, so here i go; |
| 18:16.11 | annadane | i mean i don't know the answer but to me that's already enough information *shrug* |
| 18:16.37 | LtL | deer: does pressing 'Fn' wake it up? |
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| 18:16.47 | deer | no, it doesn't |
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| 18:17.36 | deer | and my debian version is current testing |
| 18:17.41 | deer | buster(?) |
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| 18:18.39 | LtL | deer: yeah, testing is on oftc.net #debian-next i believe. you'll have better luck there. |
| 18:18.46 | LtL | !oftc |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 18:19.09 | deer | okay |
| 18:19.14 | deer | thank you very much! <3 |
| 18:19.20 | LtL | deer: g'luck ) |
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| 18:30.44 | DammitJim | for a debian vbox vm |
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| 18:30.59 | DammitJim | do you ever use an image? or you always install debian? |
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| 18:32.02 | donofrio | this will probably get my kicked but I have a need so I have to ask, anyone pulling metrics from a windows host and put it into a debain host for website display once processed for the datapoints that are needed? |
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| 18:32.35 | annadane | well, you won't certainly won't get kicked for asking a legitimate question |
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| 18:33.14 | annadane | donofrio, that being said, "anyone" is vague - it's better to just ask your question if you need help |
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| 18:34.15 | mutante | donofrio: once had a nagios server on Linux that was monitoring a bunch of hosts, a few of them Windows. we wanted to run commandline stuff on them just like on other Linux hosts to get metrics, so we installed sshd on the windows boxes using cygwin, then we could login and the graphs were created by PNP4Nagios on the nagios server.. well. that's years ago |
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| 18:37.30 | donofrio | mutante, would like to not have cygwin installed (cygwin sshd only portable?) |
| 18:37.49 | veek | how do i apply a patch when i'm doing apt-get -b source xview |
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| 18:38.07 | veek | i copied it to xview-whatever/debian/patches |
| 18:38.14 | veek | is that sufficient? |
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| 18:39.23 | mutante | donofrio: maybe this, nowadays : https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/wiki/Install-Win32-OpenSSH |
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| 18:42.59 | jelly | donofrio: at work we use snmp for both windows and linux hosts. |
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| 18:52.41 | janemba | jo |
| 18:52.42 | janemba | hi |
| 18:52.55 | janemba | how can I install llvm version 3.7 from apt ? |
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| 18:55.40 | gunix | guys i have a problem |
| 18:55.55 | n4dir | in general you can install the version available via the debian-repository, or the one available from the stable backports (or, if you really need something, you can backport it from testing/unstable) janemba |
| 18:56.17 | shtrb | gunix , !ask |
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| 18:56.27 | n4dir | to put it different: if neither the stable nor the backports repo has that version, you are on your own. |
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| 18:56.37 | gunix | shtrb: i know, i was pasting on github |
| 18:56.47 | janemba | n4dir: thx |
| 18:56.48 | gunix | *pasteing on BPASTE |
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| 18:57.07 | annadane | n4dir, janemba, 3.7 appears to be an old version for which there are no backports |
| 18:57.20 | annadane | so potentially find it on snapshots.debian.org and compile from source (not as root) |
| 18:57.30 | janemba | annadane: ok |
| 18:57.39 | shtrb | gunix , the problem is that you tried to paste on BPASTE ? |
| 18:57.49 | annadane | in jessie it's 3.5, in stretch it jumps to 3.8, not sure if it's in snapshots or not |
| 18:57.57 | gunix | so check this out: https://bpaste.net/show/fa67dba26e18 ... that is the pub key for dkim for my mail server. i should get it on a dns. however my dns is godaddy and i have no ideea how to configure dns with multiple parameters with that shite web interface from godaddy :D |
| 18:58.10 | n4dir | annadane: damnit. I omitted to check which is the version in debian. Sorry, my fault. Thanks for clearing it up |
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| 18:58.18 | annadane | sorry, that should be snapshot.debian.org, not snapshots |
| 18:58.24 | jelly | gunix: that's a good question for godaddy, then? |
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| 18:58.44 | janemba | annadane: find it |
| 18:58.58 | gunix | jelly: well dkim on deb 8 used to export without multiple parameters ... |
| 18:59.09 | annadane | janemba, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Building_from_source |
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| 18:59.51 | jelly | gunix: it was still just a long value, was it not |
| 18:59.56 | janemba | annadane: thank you I can figure out how to do it now :) |
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| 19:00.14 | jelly | gunix: these are not multiple values, you just concat all the "strings" "together" |
| 19:00.25 | jelly | it's just syntax sugar |
| 19:00.39 | gunix | jelly: can you bpaste an example using my pub key ? |
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| 19:01.06 | gunix | jelly: please do and i hope this works, because i don't want to waste 30 mins to configure bind9 on the vps :D |
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| 19:01.36 | yuriescl | I just wanna connect and control my Debian remotely from another Debian, just like using it physically, which software should I install? (I'm using Debian 9 with XFCE) |
| 19:01.41 | nix64bit | jelly put me on the naughty list |
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| 19:02.15 | jelly | gunix: just put in all the stuff together, so: v=DKIM1; h=sha256; k=rsa; p=MI...24WK0T...QAB |
| 19:02.17 | annadane | yuriescl, ssh |
| 19:02.39 | annadane | (should install it on both machines) |
| 19:02.51 | yuriescl | annadane, I wanna use it like a desktop, not just terminal (ssh -X is not enough since I won't be able to access my XFCE environment) |
| 19:03.02 | annadane | ah, ok |
| 19:03.07 | yuriescl | RDP maybe? |
| 19:03.07 | annadane | don't know then |
| 19:03.13 | yuriescl | VNC? |
| 19:03.16 | annadane | rdp sounds familiar. maybe. |
| 19:03.22 | yuriescl | kay |
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| 19:04.26 | annadane | yuriescl, package seems to be called xrdp |
| 19:04.30 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xrdp |
| 19:04.35 | yuriescl | sure, thanks! |
| 19:04.38 | shtrb | yuriescl if you have old system and willing to use XDMCP ? |
| 19:04.50 | shtrb | rdp is evil |
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| 19:04.56 | yuriescl | both systems are Debian 9 |
| 19:05.05 | jelly | rdp is miles above anything else |
| 19:05.17 | jelly | said the person still using x11vnc |
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| 19:05.33 | shtrb | are you willing to work over HTML5 ? |
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| 19:05.38 | gunix | jelly: i trie that but there seem to be 2 keys there :D |
| 19:05.44 | shtrb | I'm using guacamole as a login system |
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| 19:06.44 | jelly | gunix: there is only one p= |
| 19:06.57 | ryouma | sounds messy |
| 19:07.00 | jelly | gunix: put all the pieces together and get rid of ( and " and ) and superfluous whitespace |
| 19:07.07 | gunix | ok wait |
| 19:07.16 | jelly | wait for what? |
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| 19:08.31 | segwent | jelly: FYI: my setup is -- deb9 VM server (win10 Host HyperV) -- ethernet tcpip X11 -- linux mint (desktop) connect to deb9 via "ssh -X ip.add iceweasel" .. fairly striaghtforward .. I do have one question tho .. where does HW accell take place ? .. I was under the impression it was at the deb9 VM but now I am not so sure it isn't at mint ? |
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| 19:09.27 | jelly | segwent: someone else will have to think about that, I'm too tired now, sorry |
| 19:09.30 | gunix | jelly: i guess you mean like this: v=DKIM1; h=sha256; k=rsa; |
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| 19:09.33 | gunix | p=MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuL2zyGx0ayiWjWPGHb4hbEZ2dRfePBHWL4Gd88MDiCTzRmPrL5gKE/EP2LXAYaMTUoXC65xt0yiTqgIUHXeW/6UIofyA6E3wB2K3RsHKjafXOTbFnFx94bEDTXmAvIMXRz+ytgsS1SIEc0fL3mskBSd9Rg0GZ3VIKAoUuEyYWTvE+3kUObOwvQeYPPINnFAQ9c3ZjWh0Bbl24WK0TCDoXBW+2YabFT2l0cZxsZjEKw6KCjVs0uOBt2h1V9lL1QTHPBd71veot+CNTM2O2ytJS8sfbfcjYOZYumE0ZuOJPSublEjymeFNfsOSI3ZsdN3TAysinjUJ70d64CBOPUlm1wIDAQAB |
| 19:09.37 | jelly | gunix: no |
| 19:09.44 | segwent | jelly: ok ;) |
| 19:09.46 | jelly | gunix: put it ALL INTO ONE LINE |
| 19:09.57 | gunix | it's all in one line but weechat spread it all around |
| 19:10.13 | jelly | then okay :-) |
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| 19:10.52 | gunix | jelly: any ideea what the name is? 2017._domainkey |
| 19:10.54 | gunix | ? |
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| 19:11.42 | veek | ah joy! finally olvwm works |
| 19:12.08 | veek | man frigging debian pkg mgmt is a pain |
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| 19:13.55 | eirikb | I have a C.H.I.P (rpi-like thing), which I think runs a Debian-based OS. I want a kiosk-like CLI boot, but not sure how to do this. I have tried this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/238013 but that seems to be archlinux-specific, or at least systemd based, and it does not seem to work. I don't have a monitor, only ssh |
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| 19:14.13 | jelly | gunix: it's just a name. Do you know how dkim works? I don't. I do know about bind syntax tho. |
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| 19:14.46 | gunix | jelly: it's my first dkim config. so i am a bit confused anyway. but thank you for your help so far, i will figure it out! |
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| 19:17.17 | gunix | does postfix install by default in chroot or without? |
| 19:17.47 | eck | install what in a chroot? |
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| 19:18.41 | veek | gunix, without last i tried |
| 19:18.51 | veek | yrs back |
| 19:19.02 | greycat | how would an MTA in a chroot even *function*? makes no sense. |
| 19:19.20 | greycat | at least the local delivery part would have to be outside, in the real world. |
| 19:19.22 | gunix | veek: how do i check ? |
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| 19:20.06 | eck | put the locally delivered mail in a Sys V shared memory segment obviously |
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| 19:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: sendmail in a chroot was a big thing for a while. |
| 19:21.13 | greycat | and then people realized "why are we even trying to get sendmail to work securely...?" |
| 19:21.29 | jelly | a MTA has many moving parts; most can be jailed to a larger or smaller degree |
| 19:21.30 | jhutchins_wk | http://carnal0wnage.attackresearch.com/2007/05/chrooting-sendmail-and-restricting.html |
| 19:21.39 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Then they fixed sendmail. |
| 19:21.49 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: too little, too late! |
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| 19:22.59 | jelly | gunix: postfix install _on Debian_ uses chroot for most of its services. This is a drastic change from upstream defaults. |
| 19:23.24 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: It's an option, I don't think Debian enables it. http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#chroot_setup |
| 19:23.54 | jelly | gunix: chroot column in /etc/postfix/master.cf is not 'n' for most active lines |
| 19:23.59 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: jelly is more knowledgable than I (I'm still on exim). |
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| 19:25.31 | gunix | jelly: yes, chroot is y everywhere. thank you. i asked because dkim has special config for chroot |
| 19:25.48 | gunix | i need to change /etc/default/opendkim: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenDKIM |
| 19:25.53 | gunix | doing that now |
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| 19:35.40 | gunix | dkim seems to be configured well now. i just have no ideea how to test if sent email with postfix is really doing the job right |
| 19:36.08 | greycat | send some mail. |
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| 19:36.56 | eirikb | Also tried this: https://askubuntu.com/a/168713 but without any luck. I feel this is very hard to debug without a monitor, perhaps I should test it in VBox first (with a similar OS) |
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| 19:41.56 | Im_bad_at_linux | Ayeeee, just came back from piano class and installed bumblebee instead of nvidia-driver and everything's working again now, tyvm towo` annadane and jhutchins_wk |
| 19:42.11 | jhutchins_wk | Im_bad_at_linux: Yay! |
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| 19:43.07 | annadane | i didn't actually help at all :P |
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| 19:44.06 | matrix_architect | hey annadane |
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| 19:45.29 | gunix | i get this warning in postfix log: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock: No such file or directory |
| 19:46.07 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: So in your chroot, /run/opendkim/opendkim.soc doesn't exist. |
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| 19:47.34 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: this should get it to tun in chroot: gunix@gunix:~$ sudo cat /etc/default/opendkim | grep -e RUNDIR -e SOCKET | grep -v "#" |
| 19:47.36 | gunix | RUNDIR=/var/spool/postfix/var/run/opendkim |
| 19:47.38 | gunix | SOCKET=local:$RUNDIR/opendkim.sock |
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| 19:48.16 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: Ok. |
| 19:48.22 | hasdf | hi. I want to change my mainboard. Will my raid1 (mdadm) still work? Can't find any UUIDs in config... /etc/mdadm.conf is only 'DEVICE partitions' |
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| 19:50.55 | jhutchins_wk | hasdf: Assuming it's standard on-board SATA controlers and you're using software raid you should be fine. If you have something that presents itself as on-board raid and presents the array as a single device to the OS then you might or might not get away with it. |
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| 19:53.45 | hasdf | jhutchins_wk, yes. on-board controllers and software raid |
| 19:54.01 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: no ideea why, it's not running in the postfix chroot |
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| 19:54.14 | hasdf | is there a config file somewhere, where I can check if there are UUIDs configured? |
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| 19:54.56 | tw | hasdf: it scans the superblocks and rebuilds it from that. |
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| 19:56.01 | hasdf | tw. k thanks |
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| 20:11.45 | rb | hi |
| 20:13.47 | Roenie | sup rb |
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| 20:16.55 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: i finally got it to listen on the proper linux socket :) |
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| 20:17.40 | Roenie | does that fix apply to wives? |
| 20:17.58 | jelly | eyes Roenie |
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| 20:18.39 | eirikb | Did some testing in VBox, and this solutions works there: https://superuser.com/a/970013 but it doesn't seem to work on my board |
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| 20:22.11 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: What did you do? |
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| 20:23.07 | eirikb | I think I solved it. I deleted all the other systemd test files, and my tty1.conf-file, and now it works, using the last solution I posted. Very nice |
| 20:23.07 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: can't remember, i pasted something from a forum |
| 20:23.47 | annadane | careful of just pasting instructions that you don't know what they do |
| 20:24.02 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: Might want to check your bash history and make a note of it. |
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| 20:24.42 | annadane | ^ |
| 20:24.52 | ebol4 | got a debian jessie server that freezes as "Freeing SMP alternatives memory: 20K" when booting |
| 20:25.04 | ebol4 | freeze as in, I have to hold in the power button to reboot it |
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| 20:25.27 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: anyway, i don't get "key ok" when testing the key ... |
| 20:26.30 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: nevermind, i do, i just have to add -v 3 times |
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| 20:35.38 | jhutchins_wk | https://regexper.com/ |
| 20:35.42 | booyah | how to reload a driver, after I installed package with it's firmware-* ? |
| 20:35.59 | greycat | rmmod and modprobe, or reboot, usually |
| 20:36.03 | booyah | so it would re-detect device and this time apply the firmware to it |
| 20:36.41 | booyah | greycat: reboot I want to avoid; It's a NIC card. just rmmod + modprobe should be enough to trigger it's re-detection as on boot? |
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| 20:36.53 | greycat | Worth a shot. |
| 20:38.00 | booyah | is there a way to power-cycle device visible in lspci? |
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| 20:39.11 | dondelelcaro | booyah: generally not |
| 20:39.25 | dondelelcaro | booyah: however, you *may* be able to do similar things by unloading and reloading relevant modules |
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| 20:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | booyah: For wifi, rfkill can have that effect. |
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| 20:42.57 | booyah | dondelelcaro: seems 1 > remove and then 1 > rescan in bus/pci/ works |
| 20:42.59 | dondelelcaro | booyah: apparently, for some devices, you may be able to do something like echo 1 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/$NUMBER/remove; sleep echo 1 > /sys/bus/pci/rescan; |
| 20:43.02 | dondelelcaro | booyah: yeah |
| 20:43.06 | booyah | also rmmod seems to reload |
| 20:43.11 | booyah | neat |
| 20:43.44 | dondelelcaro | booyah: what exactly were you trying to do, btw? |
| 20:45.09 | dondelelcaro | booyah: oh; for firmware, just modprobe -r foomodule; modprobe foomodule;. You'll likely have to look at lsmod to see what the modules are to unload |
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| 20:50.53 | booyah | dondelelcaro: a NIC card achieves only ~12Gbps instead 20 in sum across two ports, it's firmware-* was not installed, perhaps that will help |
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| 20:51.32 | booyah | *its |
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| 21:05.17 | gunix | is there any way to get mutt from upstream on debian? like a debian repo with mutt 1.9 ? |
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| 21:06.10 | greycat | just compile from source into /usr/local |
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| 21:06.26 | gunix | and what about upgrades? won't work with apt update |
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| 21:06.58 | dondelelcaro | gunix: them's the breaks. Alternatively, you could take the mutt packaging and uupdate it with the newer mutt tarball |
| 21:07.40 | gunix | dondelelcaro: i am on stretch ... even if i package it, it would go to sid |
| 21:08.09 | dondelelcaro | gunix: not if you compile it locally |
| 21:09.15 | dondelelcaro | gunix: IE, you can build the package against squeeze and deploy it there |
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| 21:15.33 | jelly | ,v mutt |
| 21:15.34 | judd | Package: mutt on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.23-3; stretch: 1.7.2-1; buster: 1.8.3+neomutt20170609-2+b1; sid: 1.8.3+neomutt20170609-2+b1 |
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| 21:15.50 | jelly | wait, normal mutt package is now neomutt? |
| 21:16.47 | jelly | booyah: how many parallel connections did you use to get those 12Gbps aggregate |
| 21:17.43 | RoyK | ,v alpine |
| 21:17.44 | judd | Package: alpine on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.02+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.11+dfsg1-3; buster: 2.20+dfsg1-7; sid: 2.20+dfsg1-7; stretch: 2.20+dfsg1-7 |
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| 21:22.35 | booyah | jelly: several (e.g. 3) programs send UDP packets to IP in subnet associated with card1 = around 9Gbps. Same with card 2. |
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| 21:23.00 | booyah | but when 3 send to ip1 and at same time 3 to ip2, insted of 9+9 it gets around 6+6 |
| 21:23.49 | jelly | booyah: what did /proc/interrupts look like for this card/driver? |
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| 21:24.46 | jelly | (probably doesn't matter, but is it two cards, or one two-port card) |
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| 21:38.08 | graps | Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot a cgi-bin issue in Debian Wheezy ? |
| 21:38.32 | annadane | !ask |
| 21:38.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:38.40 | booyah | jelly: os sees it as two cards. Not sure what for to look in proc/interrupts |
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| 21:39.06 | booyah | jelly: they have other PCI full number, are twice in lspci |
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| 21:39.38 | annadane | graps, ^ |
| 21:39.50 | graps | I am trying to run a perl script in Debian Wheezy. I keep getting a 403 Forbidden in curl when I try to run a perl script |
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| 21:40.58 | fakefur | hi guys - is there anyway to find out when the KRACK patch will be pushed to the buster (testing) repos? |
| 21:41.12 | gunix | yep ... so i configured everything. spf dkim mx... mail still goes to spam |
| 21:41.36 | petemc | ptr records as well? |
| 21:41.49 | gunix | petemc: yes. check it out: gunix.cloud |
| 21:41.58 | petemc | not that it matters, sometimes theres nothing you can do |
| 21:42.03 | fakefur | gunix, you made sure you weren't on a blacklist right? |
| 21:42.17 | gunix | fakefur: yea, i checked on a site and i'm not |
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| 21:42.37 | petemc | the big email providers dont publish their blacklists |
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| 21:42.42 | petemc | or how they decide |
| 21:43.05 | fakefur | gunix, who is spamming your mails? |
| 21:43.11 | annadane | fakefur, tomorrow afaik |
| 21:43.16 | annadane | but ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:43.21 | fakefur | annadane, thanks :) |
| 21:43.28 | graps | Do I need to set up a www-browser user to run perl ? |
| 21:43.43 | fakefur | annadane, Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 21:43.47 | fakefur | *sigh* |
| 21:43.50 | gunix | fakefur: i don't get spam. the emails i send get to spam |
| 21:43.53 | annadane | fakefur, oftc, not freenode |
| 21:44.03 | fakefur | ahhh |
| 21:44.05 | fakefur | thnx |
| 21:44.12 | annadane | you are person #39057498675498 to make that error |
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| 21:44.17 | fakefur | lol |
| 21:44.23 | fakefur | i feel special |
| 21:44.47 | booyah | perhaps by 40000000000000 some1 can set up a warning bot for that |
| 21:45.09 | fakefur | but but but someone would lose their job! |
| 21:46.04 | annadane | anyway, normally packages get migrated to testing only after - i think - 5-10 days but in this case it's being sped up because it's a critical security update |
| 21:46.24 | fakefur | annadane, ja normally i don't mind but this would be nice |
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| 21:47.15 | annadane | 2-10 days actually i think, but whatever |
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| 21:47.45 | graps | Anybody in here good with cgi-bin and perl scripting ? |
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| 22:08.29 | netcat | authentication seems kind of weird on oftc |
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| 22:09.15 | somiaj | netcat: in what way, though maybe you should bring this to #oftc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:10.29 | netcat | somiaj, yep, it's offtopic. but both sasl and nickserv seem to not work with some clients. but authenticating with /ns identify always works. |
| 22:12.01 | jelly | booyah: look at the spread of interrupts over available cores while you're testing. |
| 22:12.30 | somiaj | netcat: I am not familar with these authenticating methods, but this sounds like something the admins in #oftc would like to hear about. |
| 22:13.40 | jelly | booyah: you'd want it to be roughly uniform and not clustered over a small number (or 1) core. Installing irqbalance can help. |
| 22:14.51 | jelly | there are some other things to tune, but my focus was on bidirectional tcp not ingress udp |
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| 22:22.07 | booyah | jelly: so you just install package irqbalance? |
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| 22:24.47 | jelly | booyah: and tell it you want it to run the whole time, not just once at boot |
| 22:24.59 | jelly | (it's going to ask, via debconf) |
| 22:25.23 | jelly | and there's a known bug in the version in jessie. or stretch. I don't remember. |
| 22:25.29 | jelly | ,v irqbalance |
| 22:25.30 | judd | Package: irqbalance on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-3; wheezy-backports: 1.0.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1; buster: 1.1.0-2.3; sid: 1.1.0-2.3; stretch: 1.1.0-2.3 |
| 22:25.46 | jelly | booyah: if youre on jessie, use the one from backports. |
| 22:26.26 | jelly | booyah: but before that, do take a look at /proc/interrupts |
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| 22:27.17 | jelly | booyah: use a very small font and a very large terminal, run something like "watch -d cat /proc/interrupts", then run tests and see where and how the numbers change most |
| 22:28.33 | jelly | booyah: then compare after irqbalance is running |
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| 22:35.43 | booyah | jelly: thanks. so irqs for that devices should be spreaded across all cores, ok |
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| 22:36.01 | booyah | jelly: any other tricks? like, ethtool trying to set coalescing, queue, didn't seem to help |
| 22:36.40 | booyah | jelly: any other counters to see what's wrong? standars -s stats show 0 droppped, 0 overrun etc |
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| 22:38.59 | jelly | booyah: not that I can think of, for udp |
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| 22:40.29 | jelly | tuning net.core.rmem_max, net.core.wmem_max was useful for tcp |
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| 22:47.09 | glick | hi |
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| 22:55.02 | glick | hi is anyone using IPVanish |
| 22:55.19 | glick | is there a way to connect to their vpn using free software? |
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| 22:56.58 | th0r | glick, most vpn services support openvpn. You can invoke openvpn from the command line |
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| 23:04.06 | glick | oh yeh th0r? |
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| 23:04.58 | glick | is there a wiki th0r? |
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| 23:06.06 | th0r | glick, you would have to check the IPVanish website. I don't use them, so don't know anything about them specifically |
| 23:07.21 | th0r | glick, you need a .ovpn file for the service. They are usually available on the service website. If not, you need to create one. |
| 23:07.48 | th0r | glick, you can also invoke a vpn service from network manager if you use it. In that case you need some specific information about the service. |
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| 23:16.41 | crn | th0r, my vpn provider has downloads of the files necessary to use openvpn from the command line. Much more reliable than gui approach. The files need to be edited for each destination server. |
| 23:17.50 | th0r | crn, agreed. I use PIA. I have two servers, two desktops, a laptop and a firewall. I use the cli for all of them, was easier to just write a script for one and copy it to all the others. |
| 23:18.25 | crn | th0r, right. |
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| 23:37.30 | Mendax | lol |
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| 23:48.10 | Noob | How can I select the whole line in a console? |
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| 23:48.19 | Noob | In windows I would do control+a |
| 23:48.22 | Noob | or shift+a |
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| 23:52.23 | Noob | @everyone |
| 23:53.33 | rant | Noob: lose the @everyone stuff, and put your question all on one line.. or else people dont follow it so well and you're less likely to get an answer. I for example just joined and didn't see it all |
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| 23:54.59 | Noob | How can I select a whole line in a console (if that's even possible)? I mean the same effect you get with the CTR+A shortcut in a GUI |
| 23:56.14 | rant | Noob: only ways I know of to select/copy lines in the console (meaning a virtual console not a virtual terminal as in X) is with gpm or screen/tmux or something |
| 23:56.26 | rant | otherwise you have no clipboard functionality in a console |
| 23:56.58 | Noob | thanks |
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| 23:58.41 | rant | Noob: fwiw gpm is for mouse clipboard support where screen or tmux which are terminal multiplexers have keyboard clipboard functions |