| 00:00.51 | netcat | b1anc, https://tecadmin.net/ways-to-send-email-from-linux-command-line/ |
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| 00:01.53 | kb3ien | is there an easy way to get macosx (darwin's) libtool in debian, i don't see a package blibtool for berkley ? |
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| 00:03.23 | kb3ien | if resuming an SSH based copy is importart, rsync over ssh is better. |
| 00:03.34 | kb3ien | important. even. |
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| 00:04.53 | b1anc | netcat: it's too basic |
| 00:05.35 | geordie | thanks |
| 00:06.53 | somiaj | only trick with rsync is you must have it installed on both client and server |
| 00:07.50 | kb3ien | true. You'd need an rsync implementation in shell to do a remote execution of rsync otherwise! |
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| 00:13.50 | somiaj | geordie: rsync can resume a failed scp transfer if it is lots of files, a single file not so much. But you can have rsync only copy files over whose size is different, and thus it won't copy over any full file that is already there. |
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| 00:22.43 | RoyK | somiaj: not quite right - try rsync --partial |
| 00:23.10 | RoyK | somiaj: and rsync != scp although it uses ssh for transport |
| 00:23.53 | tabris | also you can be paranoid and do rsync -Phhavc <-- note the c, for checksum |
| 00:24.06 | tabris | that checks/compares the file contents |
| 00:24.56 | RoyK | tabris: I usually use -avPHAXS - two h's won't make a difference, -h is just "human readable", -H is hardlinks |
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| 00:25.45 | RoyK | tabris: someone should add the --paranoia flag to rsync meaning -a --partial -HAXS |
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| 00:26.20 | tabris | RoyK: actually, -hh means 'use binary not base-10' |
| 00:27.03 | RoyK | tabris: no |
| 00:27.07 | RoyK | it doesn't |
| 00:27.07 | tabris | and it's worth noting that I've had times when -SH together lead to problems. |
| 00:27.53 | RoyK | tabris: an you link to an article concluding with this "use binary" stuff? |
| 00:28.04 | RoyK | tha manual doesn't say so |
| 00:28.21 | RoyK | -hh just means use -h twice, meaning double human readable |
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| 00:29.17 | RoyK | tabris: I've had far more problems with undocumented "problems" posted online than using -SH |
| 00:29.22 | tabris | RoyK: check the man page |
| 00:29.25 | RoyK | that is, the latter, none |
| 00:29.32 | RoyK | tabris: I just did, before I answered |
| 00:29.38 | tabris | for -h, there's now 3 levels to it |
| 00:29.49 | tabris | and i really should not be copy/pasting from the manpage |
| 00:30.12 | RoyK | tabris: -h, --human-readable output numbers in a human-readable format |
| 00:30.17 | tabris | as to -SH, I had a case a couple months ago doing a multi-terabyte sync where -SH wouldn't complete, I had to remove those params |
| 00:30.21 | tabris | RoyK: keep reading |
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| 00:30.36 | RoyK | tabris: just keep quiet, will you? |
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| 00:31.01 | RoyK | tabris: -S and -H are both cpu and i/o intensive, it's documented |
| 00:31.18 | RoyK | tabris: as for your -hh, you know where to stick it |
| 00:31.21 | tabris | from the manpage: -h, --human-readable -- Output numbers in a more human-readable format. There are 3 possible levels: (1) output numbers with a separator between each set of 3 digits (either a comma or a period, depending on if the decimal point is represented by a period or a comma); (2) output numbers in units of 1000 (with a character suffix for larger units-- see below); (3) output numbers in uni |
| 00:31.22 | tabris | ts of 1024. |
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| 00:31.49 | tabris | debian version 8.9, rsync 3.1.1 |
| 00:31.51 | RoyK | tabris: and how would that help your data? |
| 00:32.10 | tabris | -hh doesn't change the data at all. it changes the display. duh. |
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| 00:32.32 | tabris | as to -SH, not only is it CPU intensive, it's also memory intensive b/c it has to keep track of the inodes. |
| 00:32.44 | RoyK | omg |
| 00:32.47 | RoyK | pleae |
| 00:32.49 | RoyK | plase |
| 00:33.00 | RoyK | I've been using rsync for a long tie |
| 00:33.01 | RoyK | time |
| 00:33.04 | tabris | as have I. |
| 00:33.06 | RoyK | I know it quite well |
| 00:33.10 | tabris | we both do. |
| 00:33.36 | tabris | you just don't want to listen to the man-page and what it says when you can stop in the tl;dr section |
| 00:33.47 | RoyK | if you don't need to do sparse files, don't use -S, if you don't suspect any hardlinks, -H isn't necessary |
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| 00:33.55 | RoyK | but then, -aX is fine |
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| 00:34.14 | RoyK | for fucks sake |
| 00:34.14 | tabris | and I knew that for my use-case, hardlinks were a given and sparse-files were possible. |
| 00:34.31 | RoyK | what are you arguing about? |
| 00:34.33 | tabris | but I had to break the rsync up into smaller chunks and for some of the cases I had to elide the -SH options |
| 00:34.46 | RoyK | is it the regular pissing contest? |
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| 00:35.51 | tabris | you were saying that you have had no cases of -SH going wrong. I was stating that I did have a use-case recently. you kept going on as if I was just wrong about everything. |
| 00:36.17 | tabris | or, to put it in tl;dr, https://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 00:36.23 | RoyK | 02:26 < tabris > RoyK: actually, -hh means 'use binary not base-10' |
| 00:37.31 | RoyK | it's good it now uses md5 instead of md4 |
| 00:37.45 | RoyK | perhaps they should have used something safe instead, though |
| 00:37.49 | RoyK | like sha512 |
| 00:38.01 | RoyK | anyway - that's not the question here |
| 00:38.32 | RoyK | tabris: I guess I misunderstood something earlier on and I apologise for that |
| 00:38.33 | tabris | a) rsync does both block-level and file-level hashing b) sha512 is if you're worried about cryptographic security, which is not the point of rsync. |
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| 00:39.08 | tabris | MD4 is "good enough" as long as you don't rely on it for _proof_ only shortcut "this is probably the same file" |
| 00:40.32 | RoyK | tabris: there is nothing like "good enough" when it takes about the same time to calculate a far stronger hash for a set of data |
| 00:40.59 | RoyK | encrypts all his data with rot-13 - TWICE! |
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| 00:42.41 | tabris | "about the same time" is a value judgement. from a simple stackoverflow lookup, md5 vs SHA512 is a 2x difference in 64bit code, 10x in 32bit code. |
| 00:43.04 | tabris | "same time" to some ppl is 10%, others 2x. |
| 00:43.14 | RoyK | erm - how many are using 32bit now? |
| 00:43.23 | tabris | raspbian. |
| 00:43.28 | tabris | other ARM/embedded |
| 00:43.42 | RoyK | not sufficient to let them rule the play |
| 00:43.43 | tabris | (yes, ARM64 exists, but is new and relatively unsupported) |
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| 00:44.57 | tabris | also consider mipsel, which a lot of network gear runs (as well as armel or armhf). |
| 00:45.34 | tabris | and as to "let them rule the play", well... I guess we could make the protocol support both and have different defaults... |
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| 00:45.44 | tabris | but on the smaller boxen, perf is that much more important. |
| 00:46.46 | tabris | for a year I did all my devel work on a raspberrypi b/c it was the only thing I could leave at the office while 750 miles away. |
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| 00:48.29 | RoyK | tabris: I just ditched a pi3 for a small pc at work for doing octoprint |
| 00:48.37 | RoyK | tabris: quite offtopic, though |
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| 01:01.15 | hanasaki | why would changing Port in /etc/ssh/ssh_config not change the listening port? even rebooted |
| 01:01.20 | tabris | just a thought re 32 vs 64 (and yes, this is rather astraying offtopic): at least half of Android (flagships excluded, probably 90%) |
| 01:01.25 | tabris | hmmmmm. |
| 01:01.28 | tabris | hanasaki: sshd_config |
| 01:01.39 | tabris | hanasaki: ssh_config is client config |
| 01:01.45 | hanasaki | oops |
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| 01:01.47 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 01:02.21 | hanasaki | tabris: could you please see if ssh client will connect to my IP on 22? |
| 01:03.28 | tabris | telnet looks good |
| 01:03.48 | tabris | (that is, using telnet to connect to port 22, not actually getting a telnet session per se) |
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| 01:06.18 | rant | RoyK: 4 times is more secure you know |
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| 01:07.42 | tabris | rant: b/c TripleDES is such a hot thing, I do it _six_ times! |
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| 01:10.47 | kb3ien | rot13 is better when you do 64 rounds too! |
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| 02:13.54 | it9like | how do I install package for a program that I installed using apt-get? |
| 02:14.00 | it9like | I want to customize something |
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| 02:15.11 | eck | apt encountered an error in a postinst script, is there a way I can see a more detailed log of what happened? |
| 02:15.12 | apt | that's too long, eck |
| 02:15.29 | eck | or generally advice on how to troubleshoot this situation |
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| 02:21.50 | ubone | hi i just used the mini.iso to install but at the end the MBR was written to /dev/sdb because /dev/sda was the usb stick/install iso, now after reboot the root file system device can't be found, what to do? |
| 02:22.12 | bazhang | ubone, the mini from ubuntu? |
| 02:22.24 | ubone | no debian |
| 02:22.34 | bazhang | the net install? |
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| 02:22.41 | ubone | yes i suppose |
| 02:22.57 | bazhang | what version of debian |
| 02:23.09 | ubone | curren stable from the front page |
| 02:23.19 | bazhang | which one is that |
| 02:23.24 | ubone | 9 |
| 02:23.39 | n4dir1 | !chroot |
| 02:23.39 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 02:23.43 | n4dir1 | and reinstall grub |
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| 02:24.25 | n4dir1 | but i think on the installation media (like the netinstall CD) there is also a way to reinstall grub |
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| 02:25.15 | ubone | im sure it will list sda = install usb and sdb the hdd in reverse again |
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| 02:27.12 | ubone | ther is option to execute a shell |
| 02:27.12 | deaninous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.57 | ubone | any idea why the installer list the install medium with priority over the hard drive for MBR grub write? |
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| 02:35.59 | annadane | deaninous, it might be faster if you ask your actual question |
| 02:36.04 | annadane | !anyone |
| 02:36.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 02:41.41 | deaninous | lol annadane. I am trying to set it up on on vm. got the binaries (after compiling). But i might be missing something. not able to launch it yet |
| 02:42.17 | deaninous | I tried google but most I got is how to exploit it. |
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| 02:42.58 | deaninous | am running ubuntu linux 2.3 |
| 02:43.04 | sonnixin | ubone: beause the developers wanted that maybe?! |
| 02:43.14 | annadane | ubuntu isn't supported in #debian |
| 02:43.20 | annadane | unless you mean on the server |
| 02:43.47 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.53 | sonnixin | ubone: or did you mean dev/sda and dev/sdb naming? |
| 02:43.56 | bazhang | ubuntu has no such version |
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| 02:44.21 | deaninous | total noob. double check real quick |
| 02:44.45 | sonnixin | hi!, i installed tor-browser-launcher from debian repos and it just doesn't work! |
| 02:45.00 | annadane | !doesn't work |
| 02:45.00 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 02:45.23 | annadane | sonnixin, what you probably mean is you try to open it and it doesn't open. try running it from the terminal |
| 02:45.36 | sonnixin | dpkg: it says Downloading and Installing Tor Browser for the first time |
| 02:45.36 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sonnixin |
| 02:45.47 | annadane | sonnixin, dpkg is just a bot |
| 02:46.22 | sonnixin | annadane: anyway that is what happens and no even progress bar or sth |
| 02:47.04 | ubone | what ubuntu? |
| 02:47.11 | ubone | im using debian |
| 02:47.18 | deaninous | uname -a output: 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP |
| 02:47.37 | bazhang | deaninous, what version of debian |
| 02:47.56 | annadane | ubone, fairly sure bazhang was talking to deaninous |
| 02:47.58 | metastable | That... is spectacularly old. |
| 02:48.05 | metastable | Like... a decade old. |
| 02:48.12 | ubone | annadane was talking to me |
| 02:48.24 | bazhang | he clains it's ubuntu 2.3 |
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| 02:48.30 | ubone | oh no wrong one |
| 02:48.34 | bazhang | but thats not possible ever |
| 02:48.34 | annadane | no, i was talking to dean |
| 02:48.38 | deaninous | that is the output I got so far |
| 02:48.38 | ubone | im tired :( |
| 02:48.39 | metastable | bazhang: Ubuntu 7.04. |
| 02:48.44 | deaninous | annadane |
| 02:48.46 | metastable | Based on the kernel version. |
| 02:48.56 | bazhang | metastable, thats a decade EOL |
| 02:48.59 | metastable | deaninous: Let's try this again. Is Debian involved somewhere in this equation? |
| 02:49.11 | sonnixin | annadane: well thanks anyway, i guess it was using tor domain which is blocked here |
| 02:49.17 | deaninous | bazhang. I said it off my head |
| 02:49.40 | deaninous | metastable. I understand your question now |
| 02:49.51 | annadane | sonnixin, tor has ways to get around blocks |
| 02:49.58 | deaninous | havent had my coffee yet, you know |
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| 02:50.13 | annadane | ,v tor-browser-launcher |
| 02:50.14 | judd | No package named 'tor-browser-launcher' was found in amd64. |
| 02:50.29 | annadane | sonnixin, are you sure that's the name of your package? |
| 02:50.34 | sonnixin | annadane: well it downloads with option for downlover tor or not, it wasn't selected and the blocked domain was selected anyway i am trying it still not working |
| 02:50.36 | metastable | deaninous: K. Is Debian involved in this somehow? |
| 02:50.43 | sonnixin | yeah annadane |
| 02:50.52 | ubone | soannixin yes sda and sdb im tired |
| 02:51.15 | annadane | it's apparently "torbrowser-launcher" |
| 02:51.40 | ubone | sda is the usb stick and sdb is the hdd in the final grub step in the installer, and hence cant boot into it |
| 02:51.40 | sonnixin | yeah on contrib repo |
| 02:51.42 | annadane | sonnixin, and that isn't in stretch, just stretch backports and some other releases, are you on stable? |
| 02:51.42 | deaninous | definitely not. |
| 02:51.55 | sonnixin | annadane: i am on sid unstable |
| 02:51.58 | deaninous | my vm is hosted by a debian machine |
| 02:52.10 | annadane | sonnixin, then ask your question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, this channel is for stable |
| 02:52.18 | ubone | so i just fix /etc/fstab and regen grub? |
| 02:52.25 | sonnixin | annadane: okay thanks |
| 02:52.27 | metastable | deaninous: Then this is actually an Ubuntu question? |
| 02:52.44 | deaninous | you are right mesploitable |
| 02:53.10 | deaninous | the ubuntu rooms are dead so far |
| 02:53.40 | annadane | just because they're dead doesn't mean you should ask here |
| 02:53.43 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 02:53.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:53.56 | metastable | deaninous: Given that you're asking about a version of Ubuntu that is ten years old, you may not get much assistance. |
| 02:54.55 | deaninous | you are rightmetastable. |
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| 02:56.13 | deaninous | I will get it a rest and get back at it again. The package seems to be set up is such a way that noone can use it |
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| 02:56.58 | annadane | deaninous, sorry. if the host is debian you probably could ask here |
| 02:57.03 | annadane | it's just reflexive at this poin |
| 02:57.05 | annadane | point |
| 02:57.25 | deaninous | biggest problem is aptitude/apt wont work on the machine because of security concerns |
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| 02:59.03 | annadane | oh, it's a server, not virtualization. well, whatever |
| 02:59.16 | annadane | i'm sure the question belongs somewhere and i'm too confused to understand |
| 02:59.33 | annadane | someone else can yell at you for being off-topic or not |
| 02:59.52 | LambdaComplex | annadane: i think that already happened. twice |
| 03:00.06 | annadane | there you go then. |
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| 03:01.58 | deaninous | no biggie, man. it is all good |
| 03:02.08 | iflema | this whole channel is off topic.... mayaswell talk about horses or something |
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| 03:03.30 | fidy | Is this the off topic room? |
| 03:03.56 | sangy | fidy: ==> #debian-offtopic or lol if troll |
| 03:04.38 | fidy | sorry |
| 03:04.42 | fidy | thank you |
| 03:04.55 | pingfloyd | !snss |
| 03:04.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:04.55 | sangy | fidy: np, have fun :) |
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| 03:18.23 | Hooloovo0 | so uh can someone confirm that clamscan --max-filesize=4095M --max-scansize=4095M /usr/lib/chromium/chromium shows that it's infected with mirai? |
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| 03:32.37 | sonnixin | mirai was attacking default IoT passowrds?! |
| 03:32.40 | sonnixin | Hooloovo0: |
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| 03:33.39 | Hooloovo0 | ... I think it's a clamav but |
| 03:33.46 | Hooloovo0 | bug even |
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| 03:57.00 | sonnixin | Hooloovo0: or false-positive! |
| 03:57.28 | Hooloovo0 | right, I guess |
| 03:58.07 | Hooloovo0 | seems odd to me that it's a virus whose name I know, is all |
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| 05:04.12 | anonnumberanon | Is Debian Jessie 8.9 the "stable" for sources.list? |
| 05:04.24 | annadane | anonnumberanon, no. debian 9.2 is; stretch |
| 05:04.27 | annadane | jessie is oldstable |
| 05:05.20 | anonnumberanon | I'm doing an upgrade and some packages (for codeblocks) are not downloading, my sources list says "stable jessie main" but on the repository's website it says to have "stable stretch main" or "stable stable main" |
| 05:05.27 | anonnumberanon | https://apt.jenslody.de/ |
| 05:05.43 | annadane | errr |
| 05:05.47 | annadane | that's not right at all |
| 05:06.10 | annadane | you should either have the codename (stable, testing etc) or the release name (stretch, buster), not both |
| 05:06.30 | annadane | i suggest just changing it to stretch, and then when buster releases change it to buster |
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| 05:07.15 | anonnumberanon | but I don't think I have stretch, this means I would have a stretch-type repo in my sources for that program even though I use oldstable, is that okay? |
| 05:07.25 | annadane | oh, sorry |
| 05:07.41 | annadane | if you don't want to upgrade to stretch and you're still on/still want to use jessie, use jessie in your sources |
| 05:07.46 | annadane | kind of a brain fart there |
| 05:07.58 | anonnumberanon | deb [arch=amd64] https://apt.jenslody.de/stable jessie main |
| 05:08.02 | anonnumberanon | this is what I have now |
| 05:08.15 | annadane | anonnumberanon, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 05:08.57 | annadane | !jessie sources.list |
| 05:08.57 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 05:11.53 | anonnumberanon | This doesn't help. |
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| 05:12.52 | annadane | essentially, you also want jessie-updates and jessie/updates for security, if you only have that one line you pasted above |
| 05:13.58 | anonnumberanon | that one line is a non-debian repository |
| 05:14.01 | anonnumberanon | i have 4 lines |
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| 05:15.11 | anonnumberanon | I have for Debian: jessie main - jessie/updates - jessie-updates |
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| 05:15.48 | annadane | you should be fine, then - as for your prior issue, can you paste your output? paste.debian.net |
| 05:15.58 | anonnumberanon | ok thanks sure |
| 05:16.42 | annadane | and also apt-cache policy for the packages that you're having problems with, like "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2" etc and "apt-cache policy" by itself |
| 05:16.52 | annadane | though we may be able to tell based on raw output alone |
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| 05:17.55 | anonnumberanon | https://paste.debian.net/991788/ |
| 05:19.00 | anonnumberanon | now this is the output of apt-cache policy: |
| 05:19.02 | anonnumberanon | https://paste.debian.net/991789/ |
| 05:20.19 | annadane | hm. i'm not sure what the issue is. my suggestion would be to try another mirror but i could be wrong. https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 05:24.57 | annadane | (remember to apt update after choosing a different mirror) |
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| 05:31.24 | towo^work | anonnumberanon, don't use 3rd party repos, period |
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| 05:32.51 | towo^work | and btw, that repo has no jessie repo, so it's absolutely normal it does not work on jessie and this sources entrie, you have |
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| 05:41.11 | anonnumberanon | why do people highlight you and leave? |
| 05:41.55 | anonnumberanon | it HAD a Jessie repo because this worked before, detail I have not mentioned! |
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| 05:56.22 | jelly | anonnumberanon: it might be okay, it might blow up in your face, it's hard to say with 3rd party repos. Ask the people responsible where the jessie builds have gone? |
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| 05:57.22 | jelly | if they had jessie builds and removed them it's kind of a clear sign they don't plan on supporting jessie any more |
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| 05:57.53 | annadane | this seems obvious in retrospect. sorry about that. |
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| 06:02.22 | annadane | yeah, if you check jenslody in the list of mirrors it's not there |
| 06:02.27 | annadane | so that isn't surprising at all |
| 06:05.16 | annadane | anonnumberanon, "it worked before" suggests maybe the mirror got taken down for whatever reason |
| 06:06.41 | annadane | so, remove that and use the official ones that are there |
| 06:06.55 | sardonicTurd | excuse me but what are the bounds within which i can ask questions here? |
| 06:07.08 | annadane | sardonicTurd, this is a debian support channel, focused on the stable distribution (stretch) |
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| 06:07.25 | aZz7eCh | hi guys. i have a samba network location automatically being created and loaded every time i boot up. in gnome/deb8, where would i have told this to do this? i want to stop it from loading each time. it is mounting to a /run/user/1000/gvfs/ location so im presuming its definitely gnome/nautilus doing this on boot or login... any tips what I might be looking for ? i have checked /etc/fstab and /etc/rc.local where i do have two network locations |
| 06:07.26 | aZz7eCh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:09.02 | aZz7eCh | it comes up / shows up in nautilus down the left as a location i have mounted, every time i log into deb |
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| 06:09.19 | aZz7eCh | i can unmount it fine of course - but for hte life of me i cant work out what is automatically mounting it every time |
| 06:09.23 | sardonicTurd | okay |
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| 06:12.42 | sardonicTurd | i have a samba related question as well, while transffering files from windows to debian, via ethernet the speeds are bound to 10mb/s what could be the issue here? |
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| 06:13.08 | klys | millibits |
| 06:13.20 | sardonicTurd | what |
| 06:13.35 | klys | 10 millibits per second? |
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| 06:14.15 | annadane | i think what they mean is that the transfer speed is slow... |
| 06:14.16 | pussysex | Quick poll: Who is hotter? Selena Gomez or Genevieve Cortese? |
| 06:14.24 | annadane | !ops ban the idiot please |
| 06:14.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about a problem (see above) |
| 06:14.36 | sardonicTurd | ofcourse not its megabits |
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| 06:14.59 | pussysex | !ops annadane name calling |
| 06:14.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: pussysex complains about a problem (see above) |
| 06:15.15 | klys | of course it wasn't me |
| 06:15.19 | pussysex | annadane: don't call people idiot. its not nice. |
| 06:15.22 | sardonicTurd | yes the speed is the problem, i personally terminated the rj45 and it should support at least 100MB/s |
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| 06:17.49 | klys | do you have a 10 Mbps device plugged into your switch? |
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| 06:19.55 | sardonicTurd | im not using a switch, its a crossover fast ethernet cable between to pcs. |
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| 06:26.25 | jelly | sardonicTurd: if your both endpoints are gigabit, you should be able to use a normal cable |
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| 06:27.31 | jelly | sardonicTurd: if your both endpoints are gigabit, you should be able to use a normal cable |
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| 06:29.25 | jelly | sardonicTurd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable#1000BASE-T_and_faster |
| 06:30.17 | sardonicTurd | jelly perhaps you missed the question |
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| 06:31.13 | aZz7eCh | he is far more concerned with My question |
| 06:31.17 | aZz7eCh | wait your turn |
| 06:31.27 | jelly | sardonicTurd: I did not read above <sardonicTurd> i have a samba related question as well, while transffering files from windows to debian, via ethernet the speeds are bound to 10mb/s what could be the issue here? |
| 06:32.00 | annadane | jelly, that was the initial question |
| 06:32.09 | annadane | nothing above it |
| 06:32.31 | toolz | I have an unusual nice usage of 10-15% constantly, how exactly can I find out which processes are causing that usage. The processes which are listed on htop consuming CPU do not use nice, I cant seem to detect whats going on |
| 06:33.21 | jelly | sardonicTurd: so which negotiated speed does "ethtool eth0" show on linux |
| 06:34.56 | sardonicTurd | jelly never mind it after further probing i realised it had something to do with a feature called LSO |
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| 06:37.57 | jelly | toolz: ps has a %n format if you want to explicitely hunt for processes with a non-zero value |
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| 06:38.50 | jelly | toolz: for example: ps -eo "%p %n %c" |awk '$2 != 0 {print}' |
| 06:40.40 | jelly | non-zero nice* value |
| 06:41.00 | Nawab | how do i view my current keyboard layout? |
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| 06:41.01 | aZz7eCh | jelly: give a suggestion to aZz7eCh |
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| 06:41.08 | jelly | aZz7eCh: no. |
| 06:41.12 | aZz7eCh | evil. |
| 06:41.16 | jelly | definitely. |
| 06:41.21 | aZz7eCh | cries. |
| 06:41.51 | jelly | mua ha ha. |
| 06:41.53 | aZz7eCh | is it because it should be obvious to me or, , sob, you still hate me :( |
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| 06:42.15 | Nawab | jelly: can you say pls? |
| 06:42.15 | annadane | aZz7eCh, don't know the answer as per usual but it's probably in samba settings or config somewhere |
| 06:42.21 | jelly | aZz7eCh: usually I don't comment on things I have no clue about. You're using Gnome. |
| 06:42.26 | annadane | which i'm sure is _incredibly_ helpful |
| 06:42.30 | aZz7eCh | ahh |
| 06:42.50 | aZz7eCh | annadane thanks goes looking for manual samba settings might be it |
| 06:43.01 | annadane | aZz7eCh, you can also try the debian mailing list for which i can never remember the address |
| 06:43.12 | annadane | debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:43.37 | jelly | gvfs is a gnome thing, I believe |
| 06:43.47 | aZz7eCh | yep |
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| 06:44.08 | jelly | so the only suggestion I could offer is "don't use gnome" and that's silly |
| 06:44.22 | annadane | well... |
| 06:44.23 | aZz7eCh | of course it is |
| 06:44.57 | annadane | i mean it's gnome, but unless we have examples of it not happening on every other de... |
| 06:45.00 | jelly | thus, not saying anything |
| 06:45.10 | aZz7eCh | you guys told me to go sshfs with the way i had my network setup and i have never looked back. this darn gvfs mount loading is a reminent |
| 06:45.37 | aZz7eCh | remnant* |
| 06:45.45 | jelly | aZz7eCh: maybe verify no gnome file manager is autostarting? |
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| 06:46.08 | annadane | yeah, it may also be in things gnome autostarts, i guess |
| 06:46.15 | aZz7eCh | i'm sure it will be somethign as simple as a box i ticked when i connected the first time, asking if iw ant to auto conenct every time |
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| 06:46.27 | annadane | considers using gnome just so i'll be able to answer gnome support questions |
| 06:46.27 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 06:46.34 | annadane | yeah, probably |
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| 06:46.38 | jelly | I'm not going there. |
| 06:46.47 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 06:47.24 | aZz7eCh | its always nicer in heaven Raynold. Bangkok: 33.5 degrees C and partly overcast. Bliss. |
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| 06:47.56 | jelly | offers some fog and a link to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:48.03 | toolz | jelly: it seems a lot of kworker processes have -20 value. |
| 06:48.22 | toolz | jelly: how can I debug further to see whats going on, can you gimme a gint |
| 06:48.24 | jelly | toolz: those are kernel threads. |
| 06:48.24 | toolz | hint* |
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| 06:49.09 | toolz | yes, I want to know why they are consuming that much cpu, whats going on exactly |
| 06:49.58 | jelly | toolz: use top to see which ones actually use cpu time. the other part of their name points to the device/driver each serves. |
| 06:50.16 | jelly | kworker/1:2 < see that 1:2 thing? |
| 06:50.22 | annadane | aZz7eCh, may also be clues in /usr/local/logs/samba.log |
| 06:50.33 | annadane | as well as maybe journalctl |
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| 06:51.12 | aZz7eCh | ok |
| 06:51.17 | toolz | jelly: yeah, the thing is the machine has 72 cpus :D |
| 06:51.32 | toolz | so its pretty damn hard to watch through them |
| 06:52.35 | jelly | so pick three. |
| 06:52.45 | jelly | and tell top to refresh less often |
| 06:53.11 | jelly | 's' key in top |
| 06:53.55 | annadane | aZz7eCh, because network location implies a network you didn't think was running is running and the logs would reflect that presumably |
| 06:54.02 | annadane | anyway, just rambling |
| 06:54.09 | jelly | toolz: oh, and sorry, those numbers do NOT point to devices. You'll have to use more complex tools. A 30 second serach on googles suggests eg. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/22851/why-is-kworker-consuming-so-many-resources-on-linux-3-0-0-12-server/65270#65270 |
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| 06:56.04 | jelly | toolz: searched for https://www.google.com/search?q=which+kworker+which+driver |
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| 06:58.23 | jelly | heh, answered by anarcat. Two years after the issue. |
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| 07:02.51 | jelly | toolz: 4 sockets with 18 cores each? |
| 07:03.19 | toolz | jelly: no, its 2 xeons, E5-2697 v4 @ 2.30GHz |
| 07:03.29 | jelly | but with HT enabled |
| 07:03.33 | toolz | true |
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| 07:04.21 | jelly | possibly a nice VM host |
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| 07:05.41 | annadane | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/29/2 is an interesting thread. the solution might be buried in there |
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| 07:06.23 | annadane | (this was already linked but i notice educated guesses in there so that can give you some direction) |
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| 07:09.56 | aZz7eCh | well |
| 07:09.58 | aZz7eCh | rebooted.. |
| 07:10.45 | aZz7eCh | and its no longer loading. so, having no other option .. I simply opened up Gnome Keyring ... deleted the credentials for that network machine from the keyring ... rebooted. not sure if theres still a file telling it to mount, and failing ... or not ... :/ |
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| 07:30.54 | dexta | gm |
| 07:31.36 | annadane | aZz7eCh, another approach may be to check what ports are being used |
| 07:31.55 | annadane | or network connections in general |
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| 07:37.37 | annadane | not sure how easy it is to remotely view connections on samba |
| 07:37.44 | annadane | these are just ideas i'm tossing around |
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| 07:51.45 | pragomer | can I luksOpen a partition via BLKID ? |
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| 08:18.13 | strk | where's the keyring configuration ? cannot find it in Applications->Accessories, nor I know how it is called |
| 08:18.34 | strk | the one for configuring the "Unlock Keyring" popup |
| 08:19.02 | iflema | gnome shell? press the wndows button and type keys |
| 08:19.08 | iflema | ? |
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| 08:19.34 | strk | MATE, and windows button is mapped to compose key |
| 08:19.46 | iflema | eww |
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| 08:21.00 | strk | there' s a dconf editor which finds "keyrings-selected" under /apps/seahorse/listing |
| 08:21.07 | strk | dunno if it's related |
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| 08:29.00 | iflema | havnt used gnome 2 as a desktop for over 10years or MATE ever |
| 08:29.07 | iflema | seahorse sounds familiar |
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| 08:34.28 | Ulrar | Hi, was /etc/network/interfaces removed in debian 9 ? |
| 08:34.32 | Ulrar | I can't find it |
| 08:36.02 | iflema | Ulrar: release notes are good |
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| 08:38.04 | Ulrar | iflema: Which ? https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20171007 doesn't seem to say anything about that |
| 08:38.15 | Ulrar | at least nothing I can ^f |
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| 08:38.49 | annadane | Ulrar, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes |
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| 08:39.40 | Ulrar | annadane: I still don't see anything about that file in there |
| 08:39.47 | Ulrar | Which number would it be under ? |
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| 08:39.53 | annadane | there's https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names bt that doesn't mention the path change |
| 08:40.02 | annadane | Ulrar, i don't know; i'm not sure if it was removed or not |
| 08:40.45 | Ulrar | I'm not even sure that's a debian thing, might be a new OVH weirdness |
| 08:41.05 | Ulrar | A colleague of mine says he just re-created it by hand and it worked fine .. guess I'll try that |
| 08:41.30 | annadane | i know i have /etc/network/interfaces on sid, which isn't much help |
| 08:41.46 | iflema | Ulrar: fresh install? |
| 08:41.55 | Ulrar | Yes, just installed 10 minutes ago |
| 08:41.56 | annadane | it may not be universal depending on the config you have i guess |
| 08:42.06 | Ulrar | Weirdly enough the interface is named eth0 |
| 08:42.13 | Ulrar | And not ensXXX as usually on stretch |
| 08:42.36 | Ulrar | OVH must have done something weird to the template this week |
| 08:42.37 | iflema | Ulrar: theres a section in the release notes |
| 08:42.59 | iflema | New Method for naming Network Interfaces |
| 08:43.01 | Ulrar | Yes, I know how interfaces are named, that's not my problem |
| 08:43.07 | Ulrar | It's not being applied here |
| 08:43.09 | Ulrar | Which is weird |
| 08:43.53 | annadane | it may be kind of like how not everyone has an xorg.conf |
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| 08:44.19 | annadane | though i'd expect interfaces to be there, honestly |
| 08:45.04 | Ulrar | I install a lot of servers every week, first time it does that |
| 08:45.12 | Ulrar | I'm sure they f*cked with the template again |
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| 08:45.21 | Ulrar | I'll ask them directly |
| 08:45.26 | Ulrar | Must be them |
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| 08:47.04 | chomwitt | i want to share a folder with an ubuntu box in a lan. should i go samba or nfs ? |
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| 08:48.18 | jolt | chomwitt: for linux end 2 end I recommend nfs just because of permissions |
| 08:48.33 | jolt | chomwitt: but if you just want to have it like a dropbox for files, then it doesn't matter |
| 08:48.50 | jolt | chomwitt: if you want separate users to connect to it, then samba is also great |
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| 08:50.04 | chomwitt | jolt: thanks for the tips |
| 08:50.11 | chomwitt | i'll try nfs first |
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| 08:50.31 | Ulrar | Allright |
| 08:50.33 | Ulrar | /etc/systemd/network/50-default.network |
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| 08:50.38 | Ulrar | That's my answer |
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| 08:50.53 | Ulrar | Well, sure glad we still can remove systemd |
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| 09:20.26 | Meganitrospeed | Why does people preffer RedHat over Debian? ( Apart from the support ) |
| 09:21.14 | petemc | ask them |
| 09:21.35 | rant | *shrug* I have a red hat but I prefer my green army hat, and Debian hence why I'm in #debian |
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| 09:22.07 | Meganitrospeed | petemc: They start screaming a bunch of nonsense |
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| 09:23.29 | petemc | Meganitrospeed: there is no right answer, support is the main reason as you said. both are good distros |
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| 09:42.04 | tw | not relevant to the support channel. |
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| 09:42.33 | tw | timestamping failure, *removes self* |
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| 10:45.29 | Meganitrospeed | So... what is the best way to become a true Debian user? |
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| 10:49.13 | babilen | Meganitrospeed: Use Debian? |
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| 10:49.15 | towo^work | Meganitrospeed, what's a "true debian user"? |
| 10:51.07 | Logg | How do programs know the location of gnome desktop? In English, it's ~/Desktop but in other languages, it is not. |
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| 10:57.26 | Meganitrospeed | Just reffering to getting proficient with it. |
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| 10:59.54 | afidegnum | hello, how do i read html file in ssh ? |
| 11:00.18 | Logg | you can use a text editor like nano |
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| 11:01.41 | zxcv1729 | afidegnum: w3m is fun |
| 11:01.55 | Meganitrospeed | use nano and the route of the file aka: nano /home/index.html |
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| 11:03.33 | afidegnum | ok |
| 11:03.53 | babilen | Logg: Look into XDG user directories (there's also a xdg-user-dirs package that allows you to override these) |
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| 11:25.50 | Paul-- | hello all |
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| 11:26.02 | hyperreal | Hi Paul-- |
| 11:26.06 | Paul-- | I have a directory name -A |
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| 11:26.36 | Paul-- | cd -A don't go ; rm -A don't go |
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| 11:26.50 | Paul-- | permission or correct to enter or delete |
| 11:27.01 | Paul-- | cd \-A nothing |
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| 11:27.04 | Paul-- | strange |
| 11:27.43 | Paul-- | how may I enter in a directory with name '-A' |
| 11:27.57 | Paul-- | is it - a particular char ? |
| 11:28.04 | hyperreal | Paul-- Trying using cd '-A' |
| 11:28.14 | Blinkiz | Hi. Am getting a weird message that makes it impossible for me to install debian 9.2.1 into a virtual machine. Early in the setup it complains about "no kernel modules where found". What does this mean? Never seen this message before and I have installed debian a lot.. |
| 11:28.50 | Paul-- | nothing ; cd '-A' |
| 11:28.50 | Paul-- | -bash: cd: -A: invalid option |
| 11:28.50 | Paul-- | cd: usage: cd [-L|[-P [-e]]] [dir] |
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| 11:29.20 | hyperreal | Paul--: right, bash thinks you using -A as an option to cd |
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| 11:29.26 | tremolo | cd ./-A |
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| 11:29.48 | Paul-- | ahaaa -A is a option of cd command ? |
| 11:29.57 | tremolo | No, but it parses like one. |
| 11:30.03 | Blinkiz | I have tried both "debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso" and "debian-9.2.1-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso". Getting after I have specified my languages "no kernel modules where found". Something missing on in the ISO file? |
| 11:31.21 | Paul-- | cd ./-A |
| 11:31.21 | Paul-- | -bash: cd: ./-A: No such file or directory |
| 11:31.26 | hyperreal | Paul--: for future reference, don't name your directories with a preceding dash. |
| 11:31.49 | Paul-- | sorry, the name went from wget |
| 11:32.10 | tremolo | Hence the 'invalid option' message. Try specifying that it is relative to the current directory (in which it exists) with "./-A" or use a full path like "/home/user/-A" |
| 11:32.22 | tremolo | Are you in the directory where -A exists? |
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| 11:32.48 | tremolo | "." means "current directory" in the above. |
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| 11:33.20 | Paul-- | ok |
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| 11:33.44 | Paul-- | with the quoting '-A' retirn to the home directory |
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| 11:33.59 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 11:34.21 | HD|Laptop | I am trying to debug the initscript of tomcat6 in squeeze (yes, it IS old/unsupported, I know) |
| 11:34.29 | HD|Laptop | it calls start-stop-daemon --test --start --pidfile /var/run/tomcat6.pid --user tomcat6 --exec /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java |
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| 11:34.46 | HD|Laptop | and start-stop-daemon says "Would start /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java", even though in ps fuax, java shows up |
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| 11:35.13 | HD|Laptop | "tomcat6 950 0.7 3.4 574504 71076 ? Sl 11:30 0:01 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=/var/lib/tomcat6/conf/logging.properties ..." |
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| 11:35.27 | HD|Laptop | and the pidfile also contains the correct pid |
| 11:35.37 | HD|Laptop | what could cause this bug? |
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| 11:36.09 | tnorth | hi there, I'm looking for the .diff.gz source file for package libc6-2.13-38+deb7u11 (wheezy). The last release is libc6-2.13-38+deb7u12, and I want to get a diff between these two versions. I heard about interdiff, but I'm unable to find the sources of libc6-2.13-38+deb7u11 on the security mirror. Any way to get that file? |
| 11:36.25 | petn-randall | !snapshot |
| 11:36.25 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:36.32 | petn-randall | tnorth: This ^^^ might help you. |
| 11:36.51 | tnorth | oh I didn't know that ... thanks petn-randall! |
| 11:37.02 | petn-randall | tnorth: You're welcome! :) |
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| 11:38.22 | HD|Laptop | oh. Is this possible because start-stop-daemon looks at /proc/$PID/exe, which for some reason cannot be resolved in a docker env? |
| 11:38.26 | HD|Laptop | ls -lah /proc/950/exe ls: cannot read symbolic link /proc/950/exe: Permission denied |
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| 11:41.04 | petn-randall | HD|Laptop: Why are you using squeeze in docker? |
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| 11:41.26 | HD|Laptop | petn-randall: trying to dockerize an ages-old java app which we don't have the source for |
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| 11:41.46 | HD|Laptop | looks like it's a docker issue... https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/6800 |
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| 11:42.05 | HD|Laptop | Sigh |
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| 11:47.18 | tw | (s)chroot or lxc will probably work for that. |
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| 11:47.41 | tw | I've recently had a similar problem, though not java based. |
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| 11:49.56 | JyZyXEL | what is needed to make initramfs-tools build vfat support into initrd? |
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| 11:50.46 | JyZyXEL | i tried mounting a fat filesystem in (initramfs) but it kept complaining about missing some "ascii" support..? |
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| 11:59.31 | jamesl__ | After some time of using Stretch with Firefox ESR and Hexchat installed on my Thinkpad T410, my screen goes blank except for some red and green randomly-flashing dots at the side of the screen. When this happens the system does not respond to ctrl-alt-F1, any mouse movement, only SysRq combinations. What could be causing this? |
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| 12:00.46 | Logg | internal rgb cable inside is having connection issues is my guess |
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| 12:01.23 | Logg | doesn't explain system non responsiveness though |
| 12:01.28 | jamesl__ | Logg, it doesn't happen on Windows |
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| 12:02.16 | Logg | well, it's definitely outside normal operating conditions. I'd reinstall personally |
| 12:02.32 | Logg | although it could be that you're not in Windows long enough for the issue to appear |
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| 12:02.46 | jamesl__ | Windows is my main OS though |
| 12:03.18 | Logg | install debian in virtual machine and call it done |
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| 12:07.21 | codingquark | After installing a fresh system (Debian 9), to get support for various languages, is it only about installing fonts that support these languages, or do I have to do something more? |
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| 12:08.41 | ThCTLo2 | @codingquark at least : dpkg-reconfigure locales and enable more languages |
| 12:08.43 | TimeTraveler | hi |
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| 12:09.02 | TimeTraveler | is there a reason why firefox ESR takes up 100% CPU with 2 tabs open? |
| 12:09.06 | TimeTraveler | one of which is facebook |
| 12:10.13 | HD|Laptop | TimeTraveler: yeah, facebook is the reason |
| 12:10.20 | HD|Laptop | plus that firefox is a CPU hog |
| 12:10.32 | TimeTraveler | wtf does facebook use so much cpu? |
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| 12:11.29 | TimeTraveler | what is firefox ESR anyway? |
| 12:11.31 | TimeTraveler | whats the ESR? |
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| 12:13.08 | inviz | extended support release afaik, i use it because i need old java applets |
| 12:14.50 | codingquark | ThCTLo2: okay, thanks :) |
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| 12:15.35 | ThCTLo2 | You welkom, and more info here : https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 12:17.50 | codingquark | Thanks for the link! |
| 12:18.45 | TimeTraveler | i see |
| 12:18.47 | TimeTraveler | thanks |
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| 12:19.09 | xormor | have any virii or malware been spread into Debian stable systems? I read that Red Hat had rootkits and Trojans in its time - I think that was in the 1990's. |
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| 12:21.06 | jelly-home | xormor: it really depends on what services and apps are running and exposed |
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| 12:22.14 | jelly-home | xormor: if you're running debian stable and keep an unpatched (or even patched) wordpress or joomla on public internet, there's a high change it will get compormised and used to spread malware around |
| 12:25.08 | Meganitrospeed | How do most people ensure the safety of their servers?. Im a bit paranoic. |
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| 12:29.48 | tremolo | Meganitrospeed: AIDE if I want to be paranoid, minimal installations, disabling/removing unnecessary services, regular updates, granting minimal permissions to users, disabling password-based authentication |
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| 12:30.34 | Meganitrospeed | to something like token based authentification ( Authy )? |
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| 12:32.00 | tremolo | More like key-based SSH |
| 12:33.25 | Meganitrospeed | or... both at the same time? |
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| 12:33.48 | Meganitrospeed | Anything else? |
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| 12:35.13 | inviz | you could run vulnerability scans regularly |
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| 12:35.54 | jelly-home | Meganitrospeed: care about security and risk management is more of a continuous process, not a set of things to set up once. |
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| 12:37.05 | tremolo | I'm not familiar with authy, so I can't really comment on that. |
| 12:37.25 | Meganitrospeed | jelly-home: I know, but im always worried about the same stuff, what if i left that unconfigured, or that could be bad. |
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| 12:38.13 | jelly-home | Meganitrospeed: if you worry about the same stuff, write it down. |
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| 12:38.47 | jelly-home | then go thru the checklist every time you set up a new system. And update the checklist on every new release. |
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| 12:40.07 | Meganitrospeed | inviz: ClamAV or something more specific ( looks like my network disconnected...) |
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| 12:42.58 | tomreyn | Meganitrospeed: i would not use clamav for anything except mail filtering, and even there it is nowadays not really useful |
| 12:43.59 | tomreyn | and i don't know what inviz referred to with "vulnerability scanner". i'd rather care about prevention, not post compromise recovery (although you need a plan for that as well). |
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| 12:44.26 | jelly-home | third party databases make clamav a bit more useful, at the expense of increased false positives |
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| 12:45.44 | tomreyn | installing updates regularly, hardening your OS and service configurations and (just maybe, comes with a lot of management work) running AIDE or OSSEC (and maybe pax / grsec / apparmor or the like) amkes a lot more sense. |
| 12:46.32 | tomreyn | and dont forget to reboot after kernel updates (or at least do live kernel patching, but that's not really recommendable at this time). |
| 12:47.16 | tomreyn | Meganitrospeed: ^ |
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| 12:53.20 | d0uglas | Hi gents. Bought a sandisk 1TB SSD (http://amzn.to/2gnZtGS), one of those 3D NAND things, and after eyeballing the end of an attempted dd clone I saw a couple mentions of IO errors. Checking now in gsmartcontrol including an extended scan I see no errors. Might have been the source disk, a ten+ year old HDD, the dd errors. Is there a more thorough, brutal way to analyze this drive to decide if I need to return it? Also, is 3D NAND o |
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| 12:57.28 | iflema | d0uglas: 10 year old motherbaord and cables? |
| 12:58.29 | d0uglas | iflema: no, everything relatively new but the ... oh wait, the cables are on the old side |
| 12:58.37 | d0uglas | cables might be a culprit? |
| 12:58.48 | iflema | d0uglas: make sure the motherboard is sata3 and check cables |
| 12:58.51 | d0uglas | ok |
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| 13:00.07 | d0uglas | I'll try again with fresh cables. In general would you say it's highly unlikely I'd get a messed up brand-name ssd from amazon, a failure like this far more likely due to something like a crapped out cable? |
| 13:00.32 | Logg | could be either |
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| 13:00.49 | iflema | id say cables |
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| 13:00.57 | iflema | could be either |
| 13:01.07 | d0uglas | well, i'll find out by repeating what I did but with new cables. Thanks fellas. |
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| 13:04.26 | petn-randall | d0uglas: If you got errors in "dmesg" it will also tell you from which disk those originated. |
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| 13:04.49 | petn-randall | d0uglas: /var/log/kern.log is where the logs are written to persistently (in case you rebooted since the error). |
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| 13:14.08 | inviz | tomreyn, Nessus or OpenVAS |
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| 13:14.50 | JohnA1 | Which raid config is considered "best" for a large disk setup? I have used 5. 6 and 10 in the past. |
| 13:15.03 | gunix | is there any risk to upgrade from jessie instead of installing stretch right away? |
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| 13:15.58 | jelly-home | gunix: little if you read stretch release notes and follow the described release upgrade process |
| 13:16.40 | jelly-home | gunix: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
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| 13:17.06 | ForceRecon | Hello all.. is there a single command that will uninstall all the games on the default debian install? |
| 13:17.28 | ForceRecon | morning jelly |
| 13:18.14 | jelly | ForceRecon: a default install does not install games. Which games are you talking about? |
| 13:18.57 | ForceRecon | the games, like chess, tali and swell-foop |
| 13:19.12 | ForceRecon | it actually installs a lot of games |
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| 13:20.18 | ForceRecon | and going through in synaptic and clicking each one and marking for complete removal is tedius |
| 13:20.54 | babilen | You must have selected some packages that pulled those in .. what did you install during the initial installation? |
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| 13:22.23 | ForceRecon | I did not pick anything it just installs them.. |
| 13:22.36 | gunix | jelly: i got a new VPS and it had only deb 8 so i did an upgrade from 8 to 9 and i wonder if i will notice anything bad along the line ... like having packages that are deprecated on stretch |
| 13:23.07 | babilen | ForceRecon: Debian installs almost nothing by default (not even a graphical user interface) unless you select that explicitly |
| 13:24.14 | towo^work | maybe he has used task-gnome-desktop |
| 13:24.21 | towo^work | then many games are there ;) |
| 13:24.45 | ForceRecon | well maybe its the non free firmware 9.2 dvd that does it.. when installing from this dvd, you only put in your information like machine name and passwords, drive design.. there is no hey what do you want to install pick games.. so maybe its listed under something like 3rd party driver or apps.. or i don't know but they get installed and I did not choose.. I wouldnt |
| 13:24.48 | gunix | jelly: or for example small performance issues |
| 13:25.01 | ForceRecon | i did pick cinnamon |
| 13:25.06 | ForceRecon | that could be it |
| 13:26.00 | jelly | ForceRecon: which packages do those games belong to? |
| 13:26.59 | ForceRecon | well in the menu they are listed as games, and in synaptic, games and amusement, and I just uninstalled them all, as they are individual packages, like, check and light puzzle and some others.. |
| 13:27.09 | ForceRecon | not sure what you mean by which package |
| 13:28.42 | jelly | synaptic is a package manager. |
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| 13:28.55 | jelly | software in debian comes in packages |
| 13:29.00 | towo^work | maybe it was the package gnome-games |
| 13:29.13 | jelly | figure out the package name a piece of software belongs to. |
| 13:29.16 | ForceRecon | that actually sounds correct |
| 13:29.23 | towo^work | its a recommend of cinnamon -desktop.environment |
| 13:29.25 | ForceRecon | gnome games.. |
| 13:29.39 | ForceRecon | I saw it a couple times when uninstalling a few |
| 13:30.07 | ForceRecon | also, is it normal not to be in the sudoers group? |
| 13:30.13 | towo^work | it is |
| 13:31.42 | towo^work | as long you create a root account on install time, sudo is not configured or installed |
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| 13:31.57 | petn-randall | JohnA1: There is no "best", otherwise there would only be one RAID level. Each RAID level has its own merits and downsides. |
| 13:33.01 | ForceRecon | adduser forcerecon sudo Adding user `forcerecon' to group `sudo' ... Adding user forcerecon to group sudo Done. |
| 13:33.15 | ForceRecon | so is that why it still does not work |
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| 13:34.50 | jelly | ForceRecon: group membership is only applied at log on, so log off and log back on. |
| 13:35.43 | Droid2Debian | Foes any one have a link to a good beginner to intermediate guide on doig a kustom kernel? |
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| 13:36.44 | ForceRecon | all good.. thanks guys |
| 13:36.49 | ForceRecon | getting there.. |
| 13:37.10 | ForceRecon | AHH.. I need to get wireless working.. |
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| 13:37.19 | ForceRecon | got a command for that? |
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| 13:37.55 | ForceRecon | 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) |
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| 13:38.58 | ForceRecon | follow this = https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 13:39.29 | babilen | ForceRecon is helping him/herself |
| 13:39.54 | ForceRecon | lol.. just asking if I am on the right track |
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| 13:40.54 | towo^work | this wiki would not helb you |
| 13:40.58 | towo^work | *help |
| 13:41.33 | towo^work | my debian unstable is sysing, you need wl, so apt install broadcom-sta-dkms would be thy way to go |
| 13:41.41 | towo^work | *is saying |
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| 13:44.03 | ForceRecon | brb |
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| 13:45.27 | mrjayribs | Hey yall! My co-worker mentioned awm (awesome window manager) I tried to install but I have I believe I have gnome running... how can I switch window managers? |
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| 14:00.05 | towo^work | mrjayribs, coose it in gdm or whatever display.manager your use |
| 14:00.11 | towo^work | *choose |
| 14:00.34 | Paul-- | how may I filter a string in a txt file |
| 14:01.04 | Paul-- | input.txt ----> filter ----> output.txt |
| 14:01.25 | Paul-- | sorry I don't know awk |
| 14:01.29 | Paul-- | gawk |
| 14:01.51 | mrjayribs | towo^work: I don't have gdm. I think I use xorg... new to debian and still learning linux |
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| 14:02.45 | mosasaur | I'm interested in this package, but debian has dropped it. Can I still make it work? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/synce-serial |
| 14:03.11 | rant | mrjayribs: xorg is the display server that handles the input and graphics output for GUI apps, GDM is a display manager that starts Xorg and allows graphical logins |
| 14:03.38 | rant | mrjayribs: there are many display managers available but if you have a graphical login screen, you're probably using one of them |
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| 14:03.49 | ForceRecon | working like a charm |
| 14:04.00 | rant | mrjayribs: or if your GUI starts automatically even without a login you're using one |
| 14:04.08 | mrjayribs | rant: gotcha. How I find out which one I use? |
| 14:04.30 | mosasaur | and by the way is ubuntu xenial about the same timeframe as debian stretch? |
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| 14:04.38 | ForceRecon | so what has been accomplished.. 3 monitors working, wireless, cleaning up apps, vpn installed and connected.. with very little effort because the debian network has the answers! |
| 14:04.41 | needhelpplease | Hi |
| 14:04.42 | inviz | Paul have you tried grep? It can accept regex as well |
| 14:04.43 | needhelpplease | My internet is not working, even my /etc/resolv.conf is missing. Do you know how to install all nessacary packages to my computer without internet? |
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| 14:05.02 | inviz | Paul--, |
| 14:05.03 | rant | mrjayribs: dpkg -l *dm | egrep ^.i should give you a clue |
| 14:05.24 | rant | mrjayribs: as most of em are named somethingdm like lightdm, gdm, kdm, xdm, etc |
| 14:05.43 | mrjayribs | lightdm! |
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| 14:06.34 | rant | mrjayribs: well that just tells you its installed, if its the only one then thats probably the one you're using.. you can check your process list or sysctl status lightdm to be sure |
| 14:07.12 | rant | mrjayribs: systemctl status lightdm that is.. as root |
| 14:07.31 | mrjayribs | yeah it's running |
| 14:07.34 | iflema | Paul--: sed? define filter |
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| 14:07.49 | Paul-- | sed |
| 14:08.35 | rant | mrjayribs: well I didnt see what if any wwas your actual issue, but now you know what display manager you use ;) |
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| 14:09.10 | needhelpplease | My internet is not working, even my /etc/resolv.conf is missing. How do I install back network manager without internet? |
| 14:09.48 | rant | needhelpplease: what sort of internet connection do you use? |
| 14:10.13 | needhelpplease | rant: with cable |
| 14:10.24 | rant | needhelpplease: just normal dhcp, nothing fancy? |
| 14:10.39 | needhelpplease | rant: I dont really know |
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| 14:11.16 | nulleip | before all, set up /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:11.18 | rant | needhelpplease: then you probably just have normal dhcp configuration. ifup eth0 should bring the interface up if its not already and dhclient eth0 should get you on the network |
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| 14:12.26 | needhelpplease | rant: sec i gonna boot into my rescue mode |
| 14:12.44 | iflema | package in the cache? |
| 14:12.55 | rant | needhelpplease: rescue mode? what else is going on that you're not mentioning? |
| 14:13.04 | mosasaur | needhelpplease: you can use "export http_proxy=http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" (as root) then have some other computer on your lan that has internet run a proxy for it |
| 14:14.15 | needhelpplease | rant: I uninstalled alot of packages and this messed up my computer |
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| 14:14.26 | needhelpplease | Now I have to fix it |
| 14:14.41 | iflema | needhelpplease: how old is the install? reinstall? |
| 14:14.53 | rant | needhelpplease: ah I see. did you do this in a graphical package manager or on the command line? |
| 14:15.24 | needhelpplease | rant: command line |
| 14:15.25 | batman_ | Hello anyone is using pam_radius_auth.so ? |
| 14:15.44 | needhelpplease | iflema: I really prefer to fix this because I have some files I need as well |
| 14:16.28 | rant | needhelpplease: well if you don't just go the reinstall route, you can probably get online using the method I described then either pull the commands you typed up from your history file, or paste your package log and maybe we can sort it out |
| 14:16.40 | needhelpplease | rant: ifup eth0, ifup: failed to open lockfile /run/network/.ifstate.lock: No suck file or directory |
| 14:17.17 | rant | well thats a good thing, suck files are rather annoying anyhow :P |
| 14:17.49 | needhelpplease | rant: my /etc/resolv.conf is empty or missing |
| 14:17.54 | needhelpplease | also |
| 14:18.03 | needhelpplease | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade not wokring |
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| 14:18.19 | mrjayribs | rant: I do believe it helps. I have work now though XD now different tech stuff |
| 14:18.24 | rant | ah if you uinstalled apt then you're pretty sufficiently screwed |
| 14:18.26 | needhelpplease | failed to fetch http://... |
| 14:18.30 | mrjayribs | rant: thank you for your time |
| 14:19.03 | needhelpplease | rant: The command works, but it says failed to fetch the address |
| 14:19.10 | rant | needhelpplease: we should focus on a plan for reinstall, do you know what sort of partitioning you have going on or what files you want to save? |
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| 14:19.49 | needhelpplease | rant: So there is no way to get the internet back? |
| 14:19.54 | rant | needhelpplease: yes but if you removed the debian package manager tools you're better off reinstalling the system getting online isn't gonna be of much help.. |
| 14:19.56 | needhelpplease | I think I could install the rest by myself |
| 14:20.19 | rant | you can't install anything if you no longer have the debian package management system installed |
| 14:20.24 | needhelpplease | rant: Its just the internet I need back up |
| 14:20.37 | rant | unless you wanna hand unpack debs and place files |
| 14:20.39 | needhelpplease | rant: oh apt-get? Yes I have it |
| 14:20.51 | nkuttler | you can always just ar x the debs |
| 14:21.08 | nkuttler | assuming you haven't uninstalled *that* |
| 14:22.10 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: I dont understand. What is that? |
| 14:22.40 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: i'm not sure what your problem is |
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| 14:23.02 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: there are packages like apt-offline |
| 14:23.08 | rant | needhelpplease: ok, well getting a wired network connection back up should not be that difficult. echo -e "iface eth0 inet dhcp\n" >> /etc/network/interfaces; ifup eth0 |
| 14:23.11 | nkuttler | or, just get a wire? |
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| 14:25.06 | needhelpplease | rant: ifup: failed to open lockfile /run/network/.ifsate.lock: No such file or directory |
| 14:25.33 | inviz | I would check if it is possible to use CD/USB install as repository to install missing packages |
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| 14:26.05 | rant | needhelpplease: mkdir -p /run/network/; ifup eth0 |
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| 14:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | rant: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 14:27.32 | needhelpplease | rant: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
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| 14:27.57 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: do you know your local ip address? do you have a dhcpd running? |
| 14:28.08 | rant | jhutchins_wk: I tried to help someone with their problem, by typing into my irc client, I expected it to be of use to them, then jhutchins_wk asked me silly questions :P |
| 14:28.22 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: No, and I dont know to the second question |
| 14:28.35 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: do you have a router? |
| 14:29.06 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: i run dhcp and it say, /bin/sh: 24: dhcp: not found |
| 14:29.10 | Droid2Debian | Waht does it take to become an active debian kermnel maintainer? |
| 14:29.22 | rant | the adding it to /etc/network/interfaces should've solved the unknnown interfacce thing provided that a driver was loaded binding the nic to eth0 |
| 14:29.31 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: try ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0. that's assuming you have an ethernet cable plugged in |
| 14:29.33 | needhelpplease | inviz: Do you know how to do it? |
| 14:29.42 | needhelpplease | inviz: Do you know how to do it? |
| 14:29.51 | iflema | needhelpplease: check iface name ip a add a nameserver to resolv.conf e.g. nameserver ip.of.gate.way and dhclient ifacename |
| 14:30.00 | Droid2Debian | Or in other wotds an active member of the debian fev Team? |
| 14:30.22 | nkuttler | oh right, it's all ip now.. |
| 14:30.49 | rant | bah.. you dont have to use ip.. its just a fancier tool |
| 14:31.08 | nkuttler | is ifconfig still installed by default? |
| 14:31.10 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: RTNETLINK answers: File exists, resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolvconf/run/interface eaither does not exist or is not a directory |
| 14:31.26 | rant | nkuttler: seems to be on everything I've used |
| 14:31.42 | Droid2Debian | nkuttler, I assume you h\either have a server or desktop with multipule nicks? |
| 14:32.01 | nkuttler | Droid2Debian: i don't have a support question |
| 14:32.12 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: You're probably dealing with the new interface naming scheme, so you don't have eth0. /sbin/ifconfig -a should show the device name if the right driver is loaded. |
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| 14:32.34 | AndreasLutro | no nkuttler, I've had to manually install net-tools in the past |
| 14:32.49 | nkuttler | AndreasLutro: yeah, i thought so.. |
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| 14:32.58 | needhelpplease | jhutchins_wk: eth0 and lo is there |
| 14:33.26 | needhelpplease | iflema: sorry but what do you mean? |
| 14:33.28 | m00n_urn | hey. what is dotdeb actually used for? can't we just install the lemp stack manually? |
| 14:33.40 | rant | the fact that he got the RTNETLINK response means the iface name was right |
| 14:34.08 | nkuttler | !tell m00n_urn about dotdeb |
| 14:34.49 | jhutchins_wk | rant: True. Might be an upgraded system, or older release. |
| 14:35.09 | m00n_urn | yeah, but my question is what real use does dotdeb provide? |
| 14:35.20 | AndreasLutro | m00n_urn: newer versions of certain packages |
| 14:35.32 | nkuttler | m00n_urn: breaks debian systems |
| 14:36.03 | rant | jhutchins_wk: this user said uninstalling a bunch of stuff was what landed them without a network manager and a broken system, so who knows what all is going on :P |
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| 14:37.24 | m00n_urn | nkuttler, AndreasLutro why would it break? I usually compile some programs myself. |
| 14:37.35 | m00n_urn | I'm sorry I didn't quite understand |
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| 14:38.19 | nkuttler | m00n_urn: just seems to be the normal thing when dotdeb users ask questions in here. they installed dotdeb packages, their system is broken |
| 14:38.31 | jelly | ,v python3.6 |
| 14:38.32 | judd | Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.2-2; sid: 3.6.3-1 |
| 14:38.47 | AndreasLutro | there could be incompatibilities between what's in dotdeb and what's in the official debian repos. I've only ever used it to install more recent php versions, and haven't had problems in the past, but that's anecdotal |
| 14:38.59 | needhelpplease | rant: Should I add nameservers to my /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 14:39.05 | nkuttler | that's also what backports are for |
| 14:39.14 | m00n_urn | nkuttler: ah i see so dotdeb doesn't provide any good use other than just being there? |
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| 14:39.21 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: do you have a network connection? |
| 14:39.21 | AndreasLutro | backports isn't recent enough for everyone :) |
| 14:39.39 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: I dont know |
| 14:39.40 | nkuttler | yeah, we know. php.. |
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| 14:39.50 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: then you don't need nameservers, no |
| 14:39.51 | rant | nkuttler: you certainly could.. if you know ones for your ISP or use something like google dns 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 IIRC |
| 14:39.56 | rant | oops |
| 14:40.05 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: yeah, ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:40.28 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:40.31 | rant | resolve.conf is overrated in my opinion and irrelevant to getting on the network |
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| 14:40.40 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: congrats, you are on the internet |
| 14:40.43 | rant | the dns issues are a layer above having no connection at all |
| 14:40.55 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: so, you could add nameserver 8.8.8.8 to your resolv.conf |
| 14:41.02 | needhelpplease | 30 packets transmitted |
| 14:41.04 | nkuttler | if you don't mind leaking all your info to google |
| 14:41.17 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: then apt-get should also work again, if dns was the problem |
| 14:41.37 | rant | this user just wants to be able to undo their apt-fuck mysystem woes :P |
| 14:41.55 | rant | so the google spying isnt a big deal |
| 14:42.03 | needhelpplease | Error writning /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:42.05 | m00n_urn | i always had this doubt, will dnscrypt prevent dnsleaks? |
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| 14:42.11 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: which command did you use? |
| 14:42.20 | needhelpplease | nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:42.27 | nkuttler | um, what? |
| 14:42.32 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: ls -ld /etc ? |
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| 14:42.42 | rant | needhelpplease: echo -e "8.8.8.8\n8.8.4.4">/etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:42.57 | rant | why complicate things? :P |
| 14:43.03 | needhelpplease | ls: invalid option -- |
| 14:43.10 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: type ls |
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| 14:43.33 | needhelpplease | ls /etc . shows my files |
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| 14:44.45 | nulleip | i do think i wrote that at 12:11 - "before all, set up /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 14:44.47 | needhelpplease | .. /bin/sh: 37: cannot create /etc/resolv.conf" Directory nonexistent |
| 14:45.07 | nulleip | ooops 12:11 (-0300) |
| 14:45.28 | rant | nulleip: yes, you did.. but as I said getting online is irrelevant to resolv.conf or dns.. and thats a real simple step |
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| 14:45.59 | iflema | nulleip: add the nick |
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| 14:46.08 | iflema | =) |
| 14:46.21 | rant | nulleip: where is -0300? iceland? |
| 14:46.27 | nulleip | iflema: will do, thanks |
| 14:46.54 | nulleip | rant: BrasÃÂlia |
| 14:47.10 | nulleip | rant: or.. the most corrupt state of the world |
| 14:47.18 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: /bin/sh: 37: cannot create /etc/resolv.conf" Directory nonexistent |
| 14:47.37 | iflema | nulleip: you dont even have to type it all... use Tab key to auto complete like in bash |
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| 14:48.01 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: which command did you use |
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| 14:48.44 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: echo -e "8.8.8.8\n8.8.4.4">/etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:48.51 | rant | nulleip: heh. good to know.. I wasn't aware that was the timezone.. my geography is terrible.. didnt realize how far east brazil was |
| 14:48.52 | nulleip | iflema: wow!!! thats right |
| 14:49.02 | iflema | lol |
| 14:49.39 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: do you still have the debian installer? reinstall |
| 14:49.44 | rant | wow. I thought you just said /etc was there |
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| 14:50.02 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: How do I do that? |
| 14:50.08 | nkuttler | !ig |
| 14:50.08 | dpkg | [stretch installation guide] The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
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| 14:50.52 | needhelpplease | oh |
| 14:50.58 | needhelpplease | I really want to fix this |
| 14:51.06 | nkuttler | what, you have no /etc... |
| 14:51.06 | needhelpplease | So is there no way to create resolv.conf? |
| 14:51.23 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: cd /etc then ls, shows me alot of files |
| 14:51.23 | nkuttler | even if you had backups, you should reinstall and restore from backups. i assume you have none |
| 14:51.39 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: man 5 resolv.conf |
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| 14:52.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell needhelpplease about override dns |
| 14:53.26 | jelly | needhelpplease: ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf; readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:54.31 | jelly | <rant> needhelpplease: echo -e "8.8.8.8\n8.8.4.4">/etc/resolv.conf # syntax not correct, even if it worked |
| 14:55.58 | needhelpplease | jelly: root root /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 14:56.27 | needhelpplease | jelly: /bin/sh: 52: cannot create /etc/resolv.conf: Directory nonexistent |
| 14:59.05 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: mkdir -p /etc/resolvconf/run/ |
| 15:00.07 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: cannot do that, file exists |
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| 15:00.25 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: which command did you run, what was the output? |
| 15:00.29 | nkuttler | anyway, i give up |
| 15:00.47 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: mkdir -p /etc/resolvconf/run |
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| 15:01.27 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: which command did you run, what was the output? |
| 15:01.33 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: mkdir cannot create directory /etc/resolvconf/run file exists |
| 15:01.40 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: mkdir --version |
| 15:02.11 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if his disk is corrupted? That would explain some of the unexpected responses. |
| 15:02.16 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: 8.23 |
| 15:02.25 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: paste the output |
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| 15:02.36 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: perhaps |
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| 15:02.52 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: Is this output really gonna help you? I already told you about the version |
| 15:03.06 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: anyway. reinstalling will be faster then attempting to fix this mess. assuming you hardware is not bad |
| 15:03.31 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: I uninstalled alot of packages that cause this |
| 15:03.37 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: what's the output of mount |
| 15:04.30 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: There is nothing wrong with my harddrive, its a new one. |
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| 15:04.49 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: great. so just reinstall |
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| 15:05.11 | needhelpplease | So there is really no way to create resolv.conf? |
| 15:05.14 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: no |
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| 15:06.02 | nkuttler | and use ext4 as filesystem |
| 15:06.43 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: what about edit /etc/network/interfaces and add nameservers in there? Would this help me? |
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| 15:08.36 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: On a healthy system, yes, you can create resolv.conf just like any other text file. |
| 15:08.37 | Iridos | well… suppose… /etc/resolvconf/run is a file, which is why you cannot make a directory |
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| 15:09.01 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: Your symptoms indicate a seriously damaged filesystem if you are reporting them accurately. |
| 15:09.13 | Iridos | and I don't see why that is a soft link anyway, it's not on my system |
| 15:09.32 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: I would strongly suggest that your disk is physically failing. |
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| 15:10.45 | nkuttler | either that, or the reporting is inaccurate |
| 15:11.16 | Iridos | needhelpplease, what does this say: ls -ld /etc/resolvconf/run |
| 15:12.42 | needhelpplease | Iridos: root root /etc/resolvconf/run -> /run/resolvconf |
| 15:12.45 | needhelpplease | I skipped the date |
| 15:13.00 | nkuttler | you're making a real effort to conceal information |
| 15:13.48 | Iridos | and ls -ld /run/resolvconf |
| 15:13.49 | needhelpplease | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jun 16 19:50 /etc/resolvconf/run -> /run/resolvconf |
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| 15:14.24 | needhelpplease | Iridos: ls: cannot access /run/resolvconf: No such file or directory |
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| 15:16.38 | needhelpplease | ok |
| 15:16.50 | needhelpplease | I nano resolv.conf in / and saved it |
| 15:16.58 | needhelpplease | then I mv resolv.conf /etc |
| 15:17.01 | needhelpplease | and now it seems to work :) |
| 15:17.53 | needhelpplease | Is there any way to install all missing packages now? |
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| 15:18.24 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: You could try apt -f install, or use tasksel to install the desktop task. |
| 15:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: I'd reboot and check the disk first though. |
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| 15:18.57 | needhelpplease | jhytchins_wk: 0 upgraded |
| 15:19.03 | needhelpplease | nothing there |
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| 15:26.18 | needhelpplease | jhutchins_wk: ping 8.8.8.8, connect: Newtork is unreachable |
| 15:26.27 | needhelpplease | Network is unreachable |
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| 15:26.56 | needhelpplease | So in rescue mode, I could ping 8.8.8.8. But now I cant |
| 15:26.59 | needhelpplease | What could it be? |
| 15:27.37 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: which rescue mode? from hd? from the installer? |
| 15:27.47 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: netinstaller from usb |
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| 15:27.58 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: the installer has the drivers you need. but you deleted them from your hd |
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| 15:28.10 | nkuttler | mumbles something about reinstalling |
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| 15:28.24 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: I really want to save this, if possible. |
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| 15:28.50 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: So I boot into rescue mode again. Do you know what drivers to install? |
| 15:29.19 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: well, you can look at the logs which driver is used, or lsmod, and install that package into a chroot from the installer.. |
| 15:29.32 | nkuttler | did i say it yet, that just reinstalling is faster? |
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| 15:33.15 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: Would mate-desktop-environment-extras, include this drivers do you think? |
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| 15:33.34 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: i doubt it |
| 15:33.36 | mosasaur | needhelpplease: maybe create something that boots from an usb stick, fix thing from there |
| 15:33.57 | nkuttler | fix things from there -> draw the rest of the owl |
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| 15:41.58 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: apt-get install network-manager, wont help me eaither? |
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| 15:42.23 | nkuttler | i could have installed three systems since your last question |
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| 15:44.23 | tw | must have fast disks. It usually takes me about 2-3 minutes with preseed & lan package cache. |
| 15:44.44 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: ok I got the internet working now. |
| 15:44.51 | needhelpplease | Ping is working |
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| 15:45.28 | needhelpplease | nkuttler: But mate is not booting for some reason. I only getting into console mode |
| 15:45.34 | needhelpplease | Do you know why? |
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| 15:45.50 | nkuttler | needhelpplease: you should probably ask the channel, not only me |
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| 15:47.19 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: Have you done an apt -f install yet? |
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| 15:47.56 | needhelpplease | jhutchins_wk: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:48.12 | Demon_Jester | Hey guys, it seems net-tools isn't in debian 9, it says it could be referred ot another name, does anyone know how I can find the updated name? I am just wanting ifconfig on my laptop, apparently ifconfig isn't installed. |
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| 15:49.12 | rant | Demon_Jester: packages.debian.org can find files in packages |
| 15:49.15 | jhutchins_wk | ,v net-tools |
| 15:49.16 | judd | Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; buster: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1 |
| 15:49.28 | needhelpplease | Do I need xserver-xorg? |
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| 15:49.53 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, I am on i386, this is an older laptop |
| 15:49.53 | rant | needhelpplease: if you want a GUI, then yes |
| 15:50.31 | jhutchins_wk | ,v net-tools -arch i386 |
| 15:50.32 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 15:50.39 | needhelpplease | rant: Yes fc, Thats why I installed mate |
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| 15:50.50 | jhutchins_wk | ,v net-tools --arch i386 |
| 15:50.51 | judd | Package: net-tools on i386 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; buster: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1 |
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| 15:51.19 | rant | needhelpplease: well mate is suite of X11 client programs providing a Desktop Environment, you need an X11 server for them to work |
| 15:51.24 | iflema | man ip and man ss |
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| 15:51.47 | needhelpplease | rant: How do I install X11 server? |
| 15:51.50 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, thanks, hmm, I am not sure what to do, I apt-get update, and still can't find it.. |
| 15:51.59 | rant | needhelpplease: xserver-xorg provides one |
| 15:52.27 | jhutchins_wk | !stretch sources-list |
| 15:52.31 | jhutchins_wk | !stretch sources.list |
| 15:52.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:52.39 | needhelpplease | rant: xserver-xorg is already the newest version. |
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| 15:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | Demon_Jester: Might want to check your sources.list |
| 15:53.18 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, I did while I was in there removing the cd rom line, I will recheck. |
| 15:53.41 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: You're asking us to guess which packages you deleted. Why not just look at the logs and see what you removed? Install those packages and you're back where you were. |
| 15:53.49 | rant | needhelpplease: then you should be fine.. you may however want a Display Manager as well, that is the component that starts your X server automatically and provides you with a graphical login. lightdm, gdm, xdm, kdm, etc are examples.. there are many |
| 15:54.20 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: Randomly installing packages based on our guesswork is unlikely to result in a whole system. |
| 15:55.49 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 15:56.24 | jhutchins_wk | needhelpplease: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:56.37 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, it seems I was missing "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" in my sources. Thanks |
| 15:57.08 | jhutchins_wk | Demon_Jester: Good catch. |
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| 15:57.52 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, one more question, I was hoping net-tools would rename my interfaces to wlan* and eth*, is there a package I can install that will do it for me? |
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| 15:58.20 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.39 | needhelpplease | It worked :D |
| 15:58.44 | Demon_Jester | jhutchins_wk, udev? |
| 15:58.47 | needhelpplease | Thank you guys |
| 15:59.40 | jhutchins_wk | !interface names |
| 15:59.40 | dpkg | Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
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| 16:14.49 | needhelpplease | jhutchins_wk: Will /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/history.log show me the same thing basically? |
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| 16:15.51 | somiaj | needhelpplease: I think you miss aksed yoru question. yes the same file will have the same info in it. |
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| 16:17.05 | needhelpplease | somiaj: Is there any way to install them all on same time, or do I have to copy paste each one? |
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| 16:17.36 | somiaj | needhelpplease: I don't know your question. I just saw that you ased if /var/log/apt/history.log is the same thing as /var/log/apt/history.log, and the answer is yes, they are the same. |
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| 16:22.30 | Droid2Debian | How does omne submit a freshh kernel compile to the Debian project? |
| 16:22.55 | petn-randall | Droid2Debian: Why would you do that? |
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| 16:23.28 | Trel | I'm having a weird issue with Debian+GnuScreen+Putty+Windows 10. It's not handling resizes very well, and sometimes it glitches out even without resizing. Is there any known things like this? |
| 16:24.40 | Logg | sounds like a putty problem, not debian |
| 16:25.57 | Droid2Debian | Treis this a local or remote host y that you're encountering this issue wit? |
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| 16:28.04 | gedia | hello all, I think I'm affected by #826214 and systemctl won't start corosync service on jessie. What is the proper way to workaround this?? |
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| 16:28.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/826214 in sysvinit-utils (open): «SysV init scripts using init-d-script are not properly redirected to systemctl»; severity: important; opened: 2016-06-03; last modified: 2017-03-07. |
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| 16:39.10 | petn-randall | justatech: You need a better password. |
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| 16:39.55 | justatech | petn-randall lol |
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| 16:40.08 | justatech | i will be in shit |
| 16:40.12 | justatech | help me change password |
| 16:40.26 | petn-randall | justatech: /q nickserv help |
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| 16:53.55 | jhutchins_wk | gedia: Upgrade to stretch or re-write init scripts as .service files. |
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| 16:59.01 | d0uglas | Hi again #debian. After cloning drives to move from one to another entirely, should I edit fstab to identify the new drive as sda or is that of no consequence? when specifying on boot in bios I want to boot off the new drive, which gparted shows as looking good and bootable, seems I'm still booting up on the old drive (which I may want to unplug). |
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| 17:02.17 | Unicorn437A | So I just installed debian for the first time, I had ubuntu before, and so many things dont work. First sudo wasnt installed, now I'm not part of the sudoer list. How do I get myself in there without breaking anything? |
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| 17:02.56 | annadane | Unicorn437A, sudo adduser <user> sudo |
| 17:02.59 | d0uglas | presently the original drive is sda and the new one I cloned the old one to is sdc, not sure if it's bios not satisfied with the MBR of the new drive or if the bootloader hands over the rest of the boot to sda |
| 17:03.01 | petn-randall | Unicorn437A: If you set the root password during install, sudo won't be installed. |
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| 17:03.49 | annadane | or just adduser <user> sudo as root |
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| 17:04.50 | Unicorn437A | I did that, I still get the same error |
| 17:05.38 | babilen | You mit want to relogin |
| 17:05.46 | babilen | +gh |
| 17:06.36 | petn-randall | d0uglas: In any case, in /etc/fstab you should address all devices by UUID, not device names like /dev/sda1 because those can change. |
| 17:06.58 | gedia | ‎jhutchins_wk‎: unfortuantely stretch isn't an option for me. I installed corosync from jessie-backports for now, thanks |
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| 17:07.22 | Unicorn437A | Done, didnt change anything. It might be because I installed from usb, it also broke apt before i removed it from the sources |
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| 17:07.56 | d0uglas | petn okay, doing that with blkid |
| 17:08.17 | babilen | Unicorn437A: Could you paste the output of "id", "grep sudo /etc/group" and your command + error to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 17:08.39 | petn-randall | d0uglas: petn<tab> |
| 17:08.40 | annadane | Unicorn437A, how you did you put debian on the usb? |
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| 17:16.08 | Unicorn437Deb | @babilen http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b35abbe1/ there you go |
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| 17:16.50 | babilen | Unicorn437A: You sure you logged in and out *after* you added yourself to the sudo group? |
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| 17:17.59 | Unicorn437Deb | yes, I clicked logout and logged back in |
| 17:18.13 | babilen | Weird .. is that in Gnome? |
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| 17:18.26 | jandrusk | Anyone know how I can get an account for screenshots.debian.net so I can upload screenshots for applicable packages? |
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| 17:19.20 | Unicorn437Deb | @babilen if thats what the regular debian 9 comes with then yes, I'm honestly not that much of a linux junkie (yet) |
| 17:19.42 | babilen | Unicorn437A: Okay, try "newgrp - sudo ; newgrp - ruby" |
| 17:19.44 | petn-randall | jandrusk: "host -t TXT screenshots.debian.net" will tell you who is running it, it's not "official" part of Debian but a volunteer service of a Debian developer. |
| 17:20.10 | jandrusk | petn-randall: thanks |
| 17:20.25 | babilen | Unicorn437A: That should™ have reinitialised the list of groups you are a member of (the relogin) and it looks as if you did the right thing earlier |
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| 17:21.52 | Unicorn437Deb | yeah its working now, thanks! |
| 17:22.08 | Unicorn437Deb | now I need to figure out how to make my graphics driver work |
| 17:22.18 | babilen | Unicorn437A: It should .. still don't quite understand why the relogin didn't |
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| 17:22.36 | babilen | Unicorn437A: What's the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
| 17:22.57 | babilen | Or what kind of graphic card do you have? |
| 17:23.08 | Unicorn437Deb | An AMD R9 390 |
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| 17:23.48 | babilen | And it is not working right now? Or what is that you want to see changed? |
| 17:24.01 | spacebug^ | I also added myslef to sudo group and logged out and in again and it was not added. Running Gnome with Wayland and gdm3 as session manager |
| 17:24.15 | Unicorn437Deb | it only detects 2 of my screens, it mirrors both of them and doesn't allow me to change the resolution |
| 17:24.37 | spacebug^ | I think I solved it by actually restarting gdm3 service ..can't really remember |
| 17:25.37 | babilen | Unicorn437A: Okay, there are essentially two ways to go about this. Personally I was always happy with the open source driver, but you'll have to install firmware for that one. |
| 17:25.48 | Droid2Debian | How is wayland? |
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| 17:26.11 | awal1 | work in progress |
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| 17:26.56 | babilen | Unicorn437A: To do so edit your sources.list and ensure that entries in there end in "main contrib non-free" (e.g. deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free) |
| 17:26.59 | spacebug^ | Droid2Debian: on my main computer pretty good, but I have had that it breaks a bit. Log ou/in again fixes that. On my other mini-computer the graphic is slower. Stutter a bit in movies |
| 17:27.20 | babilen | Unicorn437A: And then install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:27.59 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 17:28.07 | babilen | Unicorn437A: Do you have an intel or an amd cpu? |
| 17:28.44 | lungaro | Is there a way to validate the Packages file contents? |
| 17:28.48 | lungaro | from an apt repo |
| 17:28.57 | Unicorn437Deb | @babilen Intel, its a 6600k |
| 17:29.21 | babilen | Unicorn437A: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation is the wiki article about radeon .. Once you've installed those packages you have to reboot |
| 17:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | apt/dpkg should do that for you. |
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| 17:29.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | lungaro, it's hashed in the Release file |
| 17:30.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | lungaro, in turn, Release is GPG-signed. |
| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_wk | lungaro: apt/dpkg should do that for you. |
| 17:30.05 | lungaro | I mean the actual contents.. i'm generating my own. |
| 17:30.10 | lungaro | I am getting an error w/ the format |
| 17:30.14 | babilen | Unicorn437A: Okay, for Intel processors I'd also install install the intel-microcode package |
| 17:30.20 | lungaro | the error is not descrpitive at all (fromi apt-get update) |
| 17:30.30 | JyZyXEL | after upgrading to mariadb im getting: mysqld_safe[7375]: #007/usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't read dir of '/etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/' (Errcode: 13 "Permission denied") |
| 17:30.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | lungaro, you can't use dpkg-scanpackages to do it? |
| 17:30.54 | lungaro | its slow as crap |
| 17:30.56 | lungaro | making a faster version |
| 17:31.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
| 17:31.13 | babilen | Unicorn437A: If the radeon driver still doesn't work as you want it to after you've installed the firmware you might want to install the proprietary driver 'fglrx' -- Instructions on that can be found on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 17:31.34 | babilen | Unicorn437A: I never liked that driver and didn't have the need for it, but YMMV |
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| 17:34.50 | Unicorn437A | Babilen I'll reboot to hopefully fix the sudo for more than 1 terminal |
| 17:35.57 | d0uglas | Yikes! With the machine unplugged I unplugged a drive's power but left it's sata cable in (to prevent it from booting but being lazy), I turn on the machine, the sata cable at the tip plugged into the mobo starts smoking and sparking (of the drive whose power I unplugged), I yank the cable and it severs, melted. Other than the cable and possibly the sata port (don't want to test it), no damage, not even to the drive. Was unaware the |
| 17:36.07 | d0uglas | s/it's/its... |
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| 17:36.48 | d0uglas | the place smells like fried technology |
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| 17:40.35 | Unicorn437Deb | babilen, whats that intel micropackage |
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| 17:43.07 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 17:43.07 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 17:44.18 | babilen | You can update it (if necessary) by flashing new firmware for your motherboard also, but it doesn't hurt to have the intel-microcode package installed if your vendor doesn't publish updates frequently (or you can't be arsed to flash them) |
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| 17:47.48 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 17:47.48 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 17:47.50 | babilen | You can update it (if necessary) by flashing new firmware for your motherboard also, but it doesn't hurt to have the intel-microcode package installed if your vendor doesn't publish updates frequently (or you can't be arsed to flash them) |
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| 17:47.55 | babilen | Unicorn437A: ^ |
| 17:48.10 | babilen | Think you managed to log out while I answered that |
| 17:48.10 | Unicorn437Deb | @babilen, I read that from my phone, it appears to already be installed though |
| 17:48.18 | babilen | Good |
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| 17:48.29 | babilen | How's the rest? |
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| 17:48.47 | tenny-e | Hi. Is it possible to run mysql on chroot? |
| 17:49.40 | nkuttler | tenny-e: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 17:49.41 | babilen | I wouldn't bother .. just run it in a container or vm |
| 17:50.23 | tenny-e | I want to have a mysql sv running on android chroot linux deploy apk |
| 17:51.40 | nkuttler | tenny-e: ask the people in #android? |
| 17:52.17 | Unicorn437Deb | @babilen, when set to the proper framerate my main screen flickers, on windows I usually have freesync enabled, can I somehow get that on linux too? |
| 17:53.50 | babilen | Unicorn437A: No idea .. that might require fglrx |
| 17:53.54 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 18:05.02 | ws2k3 | im seeing this kind of loglines alot: Oct 19 23:44:52 pay01 crash_20171019234450_1.dmp[572932]: Uploading dump (out-of-process)#012/tmp/dumps/crash_20171019234450_1.dmp |
| 18:05.17 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.22 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Debian never upload any dump anywhere. It must be some tool you installed. |
| 18:06.40 | ws2k3 | petn-randall ah then i think its steam(valve) |
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| 18:09.30 | awal1 | Unicorn437Deb, this may help http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/HOW-TO-ENABLE-AMD-FREESYNC-IN-LINUX.aspx |
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| 18:12.06 | Unicorn437Deb | Freesync is supported in the following distribution 'Ubuntu'. Thanks AMD |
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| 18:12.38 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
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| 18:12.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: |
| 18:12.42 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 18:12.51 | babilen | Unicorn437A: lovely |
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| 18:21.56 | awal1 | rmadison ettercap-text-only |
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| 18:54.38 | awal1 | how goes 'brcmsmac' ? |
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| 18:55.00 | awal1 | or wl is better? |
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| 18:55.14 | babilen | Both horrible |
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| 18:57.33 | awal1 | it seems yeah |
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| 18:58.51 | awal1 | my bro hp laptop have a bcm4313 |
| 18:58.56 | n4dir | tried both a few weeks ago. both didn't work. I didn't try that long and used a dongle instead. (In the past i usually used wl, iirc) |
| 18:59.07 | n4dir | iirc: yup 4313 too. |
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| 19:00.15 | rozie | I have BCM4313 and it works nice |
| 19:00.25 | n4dir | which driver? rozie |
| 19:01.54 | rozie | bcma 53248 2 brcmsmac,b43 |
| 19:02.43 | n4dir | thanks |
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| 19:06.16 | rozie | also firmware-brcm80211 installed and firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 19:24.32 | folti_ | hello, can anyone help me setting up locales? |
| 19:25.05 | folti_ | using stretch 9.2.0 kde |
| 19:25.10 | jhutchins_wk | !locales |
| 19:25.10 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 19:27.21 | folti_ | i'm a little bit noobish, so i dont understand what exactly is "locale". is it keyboard layout langugae? keyboard layout is set to croatian, but system is in english (i do not want croatian system langugae) |
| 19:28.15 | folti_ | "dpkg-reconfigure locales" gives me a million of languages |
| 19:28.32 | folti_ | and i just don't know what to pick... |
| 19:28.32 | jhutchins_wk | folti_: I'm not too clear as I don't really have to worry about it. I think it is the set of language, keyboard, units, and perhaps some other stuff. |
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| 19:29.02 | jhutchins_wk | folti_: It's pretty easy to set a system up for multiple languages and be able to switch though. (Not something I need to know HOW to do.) |
| 19:29.20 | folti_ | :D tnx anyway |
| 19:29.31 | jhutchins_wk | folti_: You can /msg dpkg locale and check the wiki for more info. |
| 19:30.12 | folti_ | ok, will try that now, but i read a ton of documentation and still don't get it |
| 19:30.21 | folti_ | i'm just dumb today |
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| 19:32.59 | awal1 | so brcmsmac after Linux 2.6.39 is no longer opens source and that is why the non free firmware-brcm80211 is needed? |
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| 19:34.38 | gunix | gunix@gunix:~$ host 81.196.106.44 |
| 19:34.40 | gunix | 44.106.196.81.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 81-196-106-44.rdsnet.ro. |
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| 19:35.04 | gunix | do i have to configure that pointer on my server (81.196.106.44), or does rdsnet need to configure it? |
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| 19:38.14 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: rdsnet. |
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| 19:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: ISPs almost always poing rdns to their hosting service rather than your domain name, unless you're hosting the domain with them. |
| 19:39.31 | jhutchins_wk | s/poing/point/ |
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| 19:40.30 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: is there any way to test this? to prove that rdsnet needs to change it? |
| 19:41.37 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: Not really, it's a matter of knowing how DNS works. |
| 19:42.57 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: You can only override the rdsnet DNS settings on your own local network. |
| 19:44.02 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: i keep searching online and i find no documentation regarding "who answers to rdns requests" :D |
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| 19:46.59 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: I think you needed to expand your search terms to "reverse DNS": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup |
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| 19:47.22 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: O'Reilly covers it in their "DNS & Bind" book. |
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| 19:48.20 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: This looks good too: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23981098/how-forward-and-reverse-dns-works |
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| 19:49.53 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: You can set up your own DNS, and you can make it publically accessible, but there has to be an external record in the top-level DNS servers that eventually points to that server in order for it to resolve your address. |
| 19:50.12 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: thank you for the info. |
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| 19:51.19 | jhutchins_wk | gunix: I remember all the times I was researching somthing about setting up my networks, and the text would say "Ask your network administrator". (Um, that's me, that's the problem.) |
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| 19:54.24 | annadane | hah |
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| 19:56.00 | gunix | jhutchins_wk: yea, i had a feeling from experience that this is the situation, but my VPS provider seems to be avoiding work |
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| 20:07.02 | ForceRecon | is there a command to print a test page on your printer from terminal |
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| 20:12.10 | greycat | just 'lp' or 'lpr' whatever text file |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | assuming you've installed the SysV or BSD (respectively) compatibility commands |
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| 20:20.04 | gunix | i have a question but i don't know if it's better for postfix or for debian |
| 20:20.07 | gunix | so here goes: |
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| 20:20.19 | gunix | why does postfix have to be such a headache always when you try to configure it? |
| 20:20.34 | eck | that is the essential nature of postfix |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | I don't think you'll find a satisfactory answer to that in ANY channel, since it's just flamebaiting. |
| 20:21.08 | greycat | If you hate postfix, choose one of the alternatives. |
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| 20:25.13 | teraflops | gunix: no, it's about mail itself being a pain in the ass |
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| 20:29.05 | gunix | teraflops: now i get ""Error performing TLS handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received." from the mail client |
| 20:29.07 | gunix | evolution |
| 20:29.12 | gunix | and i can't understand why |
| 20:29.23 | gunix | i can send mails with mutt from the VPS, but when i try to connect with tls on 465 it fails |
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| 20:29.57 | KNUBBIG | Hello, I'm currently deciding between using MailScanner and amavisd-new: Comparisons I find online are at least eight years old, on first glimpse MailScanner code seems to be better maintained and I absolutely loathe the PERL configuration of amavisd-new. Any opinions on which does its job (spam/virus scanning) better? |
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| 20:32.06 | awal1 | no torrents for unofficial debian images (firmware images), eh? |
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| 20:35.59 | jhutchins | greycat: You may be pleased to know that I am gradually re-training years of habitual sudo su - to sudo -i. |
| 20:36.23 | jhutchins | gunix: It's not postfix, it's email in general. |
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| 20:42.09 | gunix | jhutchins: yea, teraflops said that too. |
| 20:42.22 | gunix | jhutchins: guess you don't know why i get that error, right? |
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| 20:42.57 | im_bad_at_linux | hey guys |
| 20:43.05 | im_bad_at_linux | i kind of just broke my pc... again |
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| 20:44.42 | Im_bad_at_linux | Did you guys just get a message from me? |
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| 20:45.10 | Im_bad_at_linux | I think i failed a bit with my IRC client and dont wanna spam with same question if not |
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| 20:45.30 | greycat | I saw only a sentence, not a question. |
| 20:45.47 | Im_bad_at_linux | Ah i failed then |
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| 20:46.11 | Im_bad_at_linux | So i did sudo apt remove nvidia* |
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| 20:46.42 | annadane | Im_bad_at_linux, please don't crosspost |
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| 20:46.59 | Im_bad_at_linux | Sorry i tought i was on wrong channel |
| 20:47.15 | Im_bad_at_linux | And was using another client i tought didnt work |
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| 20:49.15 | queso | unetbootin isn't available in debian anymore I see. what should I use instead? |
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| 20:50.08 | Im_bad_at_linux | Anyways i tried to reinstall nvidia drivers through apt but packages have unmet dependencies, i tried doing the suggested apt --fix-broken install but it only turns into more errors from dpkg |
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| 21:11.01 | dmos | hey, installing on an arm laptop. it's booting, but having trouble with wifi and such. lshw is only listing cpu and memory. why could that be? |
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| 21:12.02 | dmos | lsusb lists the usb wifi dongle for example. |
| 21:12.31 | Im_bad_at_linux | Im litterally having a conga line of dependancy errors from dpkg lol |
| 21:13.50 | jhutchins | gunix: No, I don't know evolution at all. |
| 21:13.51 | ryouma | i am literally going over to the dictionary office and knocking sense into them |
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| 21:14.20 | jhutchins | gunix: I know that the more automated and wizard-ish the setup is, the more likely it is to not want to choose the option that matches a linux mailserver. |
| 21:14.39 | jhutchins | gunix: I would recommend using "Check what the server supports" if that's an option. |
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| 21:14.52 | gunix | jhutchins: yea i already did that, i selected "internet shit", but it doesn't cover everything. you will need to tweak the settings. |
| 21:15.12 | jhutchins | gunix: Also, if you're not sending mail from outside your private network, you can just use 25. |
| 21:15.52 | jhutchins | gunix: It's also fun that different mail programs call some of the options different things. |
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| 21:16.10 | gunix | jhutchins: 25 is blocked by a lot of ISPs |
| 21:16.38 | jhutchins | gunix: Is this a remote VPS or something? |
| 21:16.52 | gunix | yea, gunix.cloud is on a vps |
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| 21:17.08 | jhutchins | gunix: Ah, then yes, you need tls. |
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| 21:30.01 | gunix | jhutchins: no shit ... :D |
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| 21:50.59 | tempate | Hello. Stupid question: how can I scroll up the output on my debian server? (I have read that it should be SHIFT + PAGE UP) but it's just typing (2~). It might be cause I just have a certain number of output lines activated, I don't know how to fix that either though. How can I do so? |
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| 21:53.18 | iflema | tempate: are you using screen? |
| 21:53.32 | iflema | tmux or some such? |
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| 21:55.37 | peterS | It's correct that shift+prior (i.e., PgUp) will scroll the Linux text console. But the scrollback is very fragile, can be cleared by, for example, switching between virtual consoles. Best not to rely on it. |
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| 21:56.23 | phogg | Run tmux (or screen) where scrolling is more guaranteed. |
| 21:56.28 | tempate | iflema: screen |
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| 21:57.43 | peterS | or, if you're after kernel console output itself, either use 'dmesg' or read /var/log/kern.log |
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| 21:59.44 | tempate | peterS: I'm using screen and nothing is seeming to work |
| 22:00.17 | peterS | tempate: in screen, use ctrl-a esc, then pgup/pgdown/up/down/ctrl-p/ctrl-n. Then esc again to exit that mode. |
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| 22:00.34 | tempate | it should also be noted it's a vm inside of vbox running debian 9.3 |
| 22:00.57 | iflema | dont know either |
| 22:01.34 | tempate | peterS: great that worked, thank you so much |
| 22:01.43 | peterS | no problem |
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| 22:08.03 | amundsen | hi |
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| 22:12.53 | amundsen | i'm using mate dekstop in debian 9.0 and i'm realizing about a strange behavour when dragging desktop icons. A grey rectangle appears surrounding them until you drop them. Is this a bug? or is it something custoamizable?icons |
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| 22:14.46 | annadane | you should probably update if you're on 9.0, we're on 9.2 now |
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| 22:15.29 | f0x | some recent update completely messed up my bitmap font |
| 22:15.42 | f0x | everything that's displayed in bold is really werid |
| 22:15.46 | amundsen | is it necessary to reinstall? i update my system very often |
| 22:15.51 | f0x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.01 | annadane | no, well, if you update your system often then you should be on 9.2 |
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| 22:16.41 | Riku-Linux | just installed 9.2 and ifconfig gives command not found |
| 22:16.47 | amundsen | well, i'm using debian stretch |
| 22:16.49 | Riku-Linux | also ifconfig can't be located on apt |
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| 22:18.11 | mutante | Riku-Linux: ifconfig has been replaced by "ip" command mostly |
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| 22:19.07 | Riku-Linux | okay I have no idea how to just display interface information like ifconfig with this |
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| 22:19.23 | mutante | Riku-Linux: ip a s |
| 22:19.29 | mutante | Riku-Linux: a for all, s for show |
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| 22:19.50 | Riku-Linux | can I just get ifconfig back? |
| 22:19.52 | peterS | or ip link, if you only care about up / down type information |
| 22:20.01 | Riku-Linux | I don't like the output format on this |
| 22:20.46 | mutante | sorry, a for address of course |
| 22:20.52 | peterS | you can install 'net-tools' if you need ifconfig, but I actually suggest just getting used to 'ip addr' and 'ip link' output. They really are nice, concise, and very very featureful |
| 22:21.33 | Riku-Linux | seems to be no difference between 'ip a' and 'ip a s' |
| 22:21.55 | Riku-Linux | don't particularily care about extensive feature I just want readable output |
| 22:22.10 | Riku-Linux | besides 99% of the guides online are going to use ifconfig |
| 22:22.12 | peterS | yes, 'ip address show' is the default mode for 'ip address' (or 'ip a') |
| 22:22.44 | Riku-Linux | the only benefit I can see to ip over ifconfig is I don't need to be root |
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| 22:23.02 | peterS | yeah, if you only ever have a single ipv4 address attached to an interface |
| 22:23.13 | peterS | last I checked anyway, ifconfig didn't know how to display more than one |
| 22:23.26 | Riku-Linux | ifconfig displays several interfaces just fine |
| 22:23.41 | peterS | several ipv4 addresses on a single interface? Maybe it does, but last I checked it did not |
| 22:23.43 | Riku-Linux | oh, more than one address on an interface? |
| 22:23.49 | Riku-Linux | how is that even possible |
| 22:24.20 | peterS | eh? It's easy and I've been doing it for years |
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| 22:25.23 | Riku-Linux | I guess I technically do that on windows with hyper-v guests |
| 22:25.29 | peterS | also, 'ip route' is IMO much more readable than the traditional command 'netstat -nr' |
| 22:26.10 | Riku-Linux | anyway, ifconfig shows me right away in the second line my IP address, and shows my actual interface first |
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| 22:26.30 | peterS | yeah Windows permits adding multiple IPs to an interface, in the 'advanced' tab of the 'ipv4' properties dialog |
| 22:26.39 | Riku-Linux | ip has my IP down in the third line and shows the loopback interface as the first one for some reason |
| 22:27.11 | Riku-Linux | also ifconfig shows total traffic and ip does not |
| 22:27.39 | jhamlin | I am trying to set up an autofs for a samba drive. I want to read about options like bg, hard, retry etc. I can't for the life of me find documentation in any of the obvious manpages. Where is the documentation on these options? |
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| 22:29.20 | peterS | true, 'ip address' shows only info related to addresses and not to traffic. There may be a subcommand of 'ip' that shows traffic stats but I haven't needed that in so long I've never actually bothered to look it up |
| 22:29.43 | peterS | jhamlin: sounds like you want 'man nfs' |
| 22:29.52 | jhamlin | man samba |
| 22:29.58 | jhamlin | doh! long day |
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| 22:30.25 | peterS | I mean, not that autofs _requires_ nfs, but it's usually associated with nfs |
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| 22:31.35 | peterS | Riku-Linux: oh and btw... ifconfig does not require root, but since it lives in /sbin, it's normally not in your non-root default path. you can invoke it as /sbin/ifconfig as an unprivileged user, though |
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| 22:34.17 | peterS | also, with the 'ip' command, if you want to see info about only a specific device (as with 'ifconfig eth0'), use the 'dev' specifier. As in: 'ip address show dev eth0' (or 'ip a s dev eth0') |
| 22:35.18 | Riku-Linux | I've been blessed with the interface name 'enp0s25' |
| 22:35.32 | peterS | fun |
| 22:36.18 | Riku-Linux | this is an older machine I pulled from e-waste |
| 22:36.24 | Riku-Linux | core 2 duo |
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| 22:36.42 | peterS | is that interface name an abomination of network-manager, or an abomination of a USB adapter? (or both?) |
| 22:36.57 | Riku-Linux | it's on the motherboard |
| 22:37.32 | peterS | so either the kernel, or udev, or network-manager, or _somebody_, believes your network chip is a "p0s" |
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| 22:37.43 | Riku-Linux | I don't even have network-manager installed |
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| 22:41.11 | meh30183848 | So, I have a dell inspiron laptop, having issues with fans. i8kmon works until I suspend to ram, then it /proc/i8k reports temperature as 0C. |
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| 22:42.01 | meh30183848 | Do I have a more trustworthy option than smm? I'm not too eager to risk bricking my laptop when there seem to be no publicly available serial flashing guides around. |
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| 22:46.24 | peterS | I'd never noticed before, but it appears ifconfig sorts its output alphabetically by interface name. ('ip a' and 'ip l' do not, they present output in the order the interfaces were created.) Huh. |
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| 22:57.10 | jnes | setting up a bluetooth devices is really testing my patience. my speaker refuses to switch to a2dp profile. had same problem yesterday that magically resolved itself by reconnecting/unpair/repair etc a few times. how do i even debug this? |
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| 23:00.17 | jnes | secondly I am messing in 4 different interfaces which just feels ridiculous?! blueman, bluetooth-devices from gnome settings, sound settings from gnome settings, and pavucontrol. |
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| 23:05.50 | jnes | AGAIN, magically everything works again.. oh my.... |
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| 23:26.28 | simpledat | Hi how do you regenerate /etc/resolv.conf from resolvconf? |
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| 23:43.12 | rant | jnes: nno experience with this but hcitool I think is the commandline util you'd use to do lower-level debugging |
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| 23:52.05 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 23:53.03 | tobiasBora | I've a question, it's not really linked with debian specifically, but I don't know where I could ask else. I've a DNS entry that looks like "@ 10800 IN A <my ip>". I know the wildcard "*", but not the wildcard "@", what does it mean ? |
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| 23:57.23 | jaxson | where are you seeing that tobiasBora? |
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| 23:59.10 | tobiasBora | jaxson: in the webinterface of my DNS provider |
| 23:59.38 | jaxson | probably a question to ask them then.. |
| 23:59.54 | jaxson | different providers use different wildcards |