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| 00:09.25 | ross` | http://bindns.org/~ross/pb/pvgrub |
| 00:09.30 | ross` | Can someone tell me why my virtual machine hangs on this |
| 00:09.39 | ross` | using xen with pvgrub2 kernel |
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| 00:10.18 | rawruw | "sudo dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE". Should that start a prompt for configuration or what does it do? |
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| 00:13.26 | maxzor | is bootlogd working on latest stretch? |
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| 00:21.01 | maxzor | journalctl did it |
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| 00:25.40 | rawruw | why install .deb with dpgk and not apt-get? apt-get fixes dependencies and stuff too. |
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| 00:31.28 | debiandragon | Hey guys, first time on IRC and also just getting into Debian - I was on Ubuntu for a bit but I'm shooting for something more lightweight - running LXDE. I tried to go to xmonad but it was 1gb! So... is there any way to undo that installation (apt-get install xmonad) to remove all the stuff that it put in, and is there any suitably flexible and lightweight WM that's like xmonad? |
| 00:32.20 | maxzor | any idea about what this boot msg can be? 0000:01:00.0: disp: ERROR 4 [INVALID_VALUE] 84 [] chid 0 mthd 0828 data 0000a5c5 |
| 00:32.51 | annadane | debiandragon, the opposite of apt install is apt remove, and apt purge if you want to remove configuraiton file. you might want to try i3, which you can get by apt install i3wm |
| 00:33.03 | annadane | sorry, i3-wm |
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| 00:33.25 | annadane | s/file/files |
| 00:33.47 | annadane | apt remove or purge xmonad and then apt autoremoe |
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| 00:34.12 | debiandragon | anna ty!, I've heard i3 is harder to configure / not configurable through a config file, but great to get going on defaults, is that about right? What are you using?' |
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| 00:34.59 | debiandragon | anna - but also, if I do apt remove, will it get rid of the entire 1gb of dependencies/haskell stuff? Because that's what I'd really like to do. |
| 00:36.18 | annadane | debiandragon, i'm actually using plasma, i just suggested i3 because xmonad is tiling and so is i3 (though there's a difference between i3 and i3-wm, you may want to just install i3) |
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| 00:36.56 | annadane | debiandragon, apt autoremove will remove the packages that were auto installed along with xmonad; it will give you a list so you don't have to remove what you don't want to remove |
| 00:37.18 | annadane | as to haskell i don't really know, i'm not familiar with xmonad |
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| 00:38.03 | debiandragon | anna ty |
| 00:38.09 | awal1 | debiandragon, if you want a radical solution, check your apt logs and remove all what was installed with xmonad |
| 00:38.48 | debiandragon | awal - getting started lol - be gentle :) I'm just going to do the apt autoremove now, will review man pages first. ;) |
| 00:38.49 | annadane | debiandragon, the package i3 "This metapackage installs the i3 window manager (i3-wm), the i3lock screen locker, i3status (for system information) and suckless-tools (for dmenu). These are all the tools you need to use the i3 window manager efficiently. " so if you don't want those and truly want something lightweight maybe just i3-wm |
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| 00:39.38 | awal1 | i prefer aptitude for removals |
| 00:39.49 | debiandragon | I guess one more question, is LFS just Linux, basically? So you get that, then you get a package manager, then you install what you want and you're running without a distro? |
| 00:39.50 | annadane | there's a list of window managers at the bottom of https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment which would all likely be lighter than lxde |
| 00:40.04 | annadane | debiandragon, btw to highlight people you can use tab completion, ann<tab> |
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| 00:40.52 | annadane | as for LFS, you should probably ask LFS support |
| 00:40.56 | annadane | (it's not part of debian) |
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| 00:41.09 | awal1 | debiandragon, you know what? openbox is the best wm out there ;P |
| 00:41.12 | debiandragon | annadane: sweet, I tried alt/shift/ctrl click + ctrl^v.... using weechat, that works (ann+<tab>) |
| 00:41.30 | annadane | AFAIK, you can make openbox tiling as well if that's what you want |
| 00:41.46 | annadane | i do like and recommend openbox, personally |
| 00:41.51 | debiandragon | awal1: trying to keep it tight for now, using older laptop and LXDE is maybe 36mb ram. |
| 00:41.57 | annadane | but for tiling out of the box i3 is also popular |
| 00:42.10 | awal1 | you cab make it tilling or if you want you can make it heavy just as kde |
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| 00:43.01 | keantoken | Has anyone fixed the problem of menus filling up with redundant programs when installing multiple desktop environments? |
| 00:43.11 | awal1 | debiandragon, you want a very light and very very customizable wm? |
| 00:43.20 | awal1 | go for fvwm |
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| 00:52.08 | debiandragon | awal1: ty. I'll look into that, annadane ty also! good stuff guys. |
| 00:53.44 | annadane | keantoken, depending on the desktop environment i'm sure a lot of them have options to edit the menus |
| 00:53.52 | annadane | really depends which one you use as default |
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| 00:55.27 | keantoken | Editing the menu takes way too much time. |
| 00:55.38 | keantoken | This should be default. |
| 00:56.39 | keantoken | And you have to figure out whether it's Gedit, Pluma or Mousepad that you want to leave in the menu. |
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| 00:57.08 | keantoken | And even if you leave it out of the menu, it may still be used to open certain files and that is another setting you have to find and fix. |
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| 01:27.24 | brizz | how can I remove the default Network/Volume/Power widget (https://i.imgur.com/J1jy9a1.png) from the Gnome3 tool-bar? |
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| 01:36.01 | Droid2Debian | Any chance i can grab a debian project cloack? |
| 01:37.05 | bazhang | Droid2Debian, have you been an active project developer |
| 01:38.01 | rawruw | so the .deb should be made for my distro and version? not any .deb works anywhere? |
| 01:38.16 | Droid2Debian | Not yet but I plan to keep testing the latest kernel from kernel.org ya know linus and the gang |
| 01:38.56 | bazhang | Droid2Debian, they dont just hand out cloaks for project to any person showing up |
| 01:39.09 | awal1 | Droid2Debian, #debian-mentors |
| 01:39.16 | rant | rawruw: there are two issues there, the package installer checks arch/branch and it also checks dependency versions, all this can be overriden but its not likely to work if you do |
| 01:39.46 | rant | rawruw: if you explain the specific situation we may be able to help you find a workable solution |
| 01:40.12 | awal1 | Droid2Debian, oftc server |
| 01:42.53 | Droid2Debian | awal1, Are you on my case for double dipping from both irc networks? |
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| 01:44.26 | rant | Droid2Debian: no he was telling you that in order to realize your dream of being on the debian kernel team and getting a project cloak you need to go to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and seek a mentor |
| 01:44.59 | Droid2Debian | Oh iget it now |
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| 01:46.32 | CygniX | I have the following set using virsh edit <vm_name> : <graphics type='vnc' port='<####>' autoport='no' listen='0.0.0.0' passwd='<password>'> |
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| 01:46.43 | CygniX | On debian 8, I have set a port for vnc, there is no offset, on debian 9 hower, there is a 5900 offset. can the offset be disabled? |
| 01:47.02 | rant | Droid2Debian: to get a project cloak and to be on a developer team you need to become a Debian Developer and that requires a vetting process which begins with learning the Debian policy, how to package things for Debian,and getting a mentor to sponsor you |
| 01:47.06 | CygniX | netstat shows the assigned port, probing with virsh vncdisplay <vm_name> shows the offset port. |
| 01:47.41 | Droid2Debian | Gothcha rant |
| 01:48.31 | CygniX | debian 8 respects the port settings but not 9, any idea? |
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| 01:49.12 | CygniX | this is regarding kvm/vnc |
| 01:49.14 | Droid2Debian | rant, I have somuch free time that I could dedicate it to the debian project |
| 01:50.42 | Droid2Debian | CygniX, are you on a windows host vitalization type set up or a native setup? |
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| 01:51.49 | rant | Droid2Debian: yes well speaking as someone who has been using Debian and supporting it here on freenode for 15 years, you seem to have a great deal to learn.. and you could do plenty to help the project by either learning or supporting here, but you are a long way from becomming a Developer at this point. You can also be doing things like testing the testing or unstable branches, finding bugs, filing |
| 01:51.55 | rant | reports, writing howtos on the wiki, etc. |
| 01:52.09 | CygniX | Droid2Debian: the host is debian |
| 01:52.39 | CygniX | I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
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| 01:54.23 | Droid2Debian | rant, I'de gladly do that I'f i had the financial means to aquire another computer or a amazon ec2 environment , because my statch based lappyos my daily driver |
| 01:55.08 | rant | Droid2Debian: how powerful is that system? do you have a decent amount of ram and free HD space? does the CPU have virtualization features? |
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| 01:55.33 | BarackOsama | Hola! |
| 01:55.39 | BarackOsama | !mail |
| 01:55.39 | dpkg | i guess mail is a great program for sending mail, or <mutt> can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 01:55.50 | Droid2Debian | rant, It's got 16gb of ram and a 490gb gormated disk capacity |
| 01:56.16 | BarackOsama | gormated disk capacity is the best |
| 01:56.21 | BarackOsama | !jeff |
| 01:56.21 | dpkg | i heard jeff is a programmer php. |
| 01:56.36 | BarackOsama | !phoenix |
| 01:56.36 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
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| 01:57.11 | rant | Droid2Debian: well you can not only dual-boot and have another testing/unstable system on there, but you could also use something like Gnome Boxes, VirtualBox, etc.. and run it in a VM for testing purposes since you have plenty of avialable hardware resources |
| 01:57.56 | Droid2Debian | right you are on that note rant |
| 01:58.23 | rant | Droid2Debian: you can also be testing the debian-installer.. which if you are particularly interested in the kernel, the installer isn't a bad thing to work on right now because the installer team can always use people testing and reporting bugs on it, and kernels are an important part of the installer.. |
| 01:58.44 | rant | Droid2Debian: you could use a VM to be testing latest builds of the installer and ironing it out for the next stable release |
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| 02:00.18 | Droid2Debian | I may as well sense i was considering a or 2 tb ssd where my lappys cd/dvd burner isdding a 1 |
| 02:00.28 | Droid2Debian | is a t present moment |
| 02:00.57 | rant | Droid2Debian: again, speaking as someone who used debian a long time, people like me don't test the installer much because we just keep upgrading our systems not installing so much.. most people who use the installer often are newbies not people who know enough to find and report issues |
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| 02:02.35 | Droid2Debian | rant, fwi I have been in and out of the oss world from age thirteen and most of what i know comes from personal trial and error |
| 02:02.51 | rant | Droid2Debian: helping out a lot in an area like that and getting to know the people already on the debian-boot team, you'll be more likely to have someone familiar with your contributions and skills when you get around to needing someone to sponsor you |
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| 02:04.35 | rant | Droid2Debian: and really you need to study Debian policy manual and learn and practice packaging because your mentor is going to need to check your packages at some point and know you are capable of doing it properly.. and if you want to work on the kernel you also need to learn to cross-compile.. not just build kernels for your system but how to make builds for other architectures as well |
| 02:04.50 | SKSMajalengka_ri | assalamualaikum |
| 02:05.50 | Droid2Debian | Point taken rant ' |
| 02:06.19 | SKSMajalengka_ri | assalamualaikum |
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| 02:07.01 | rant | wa salaykum as-salam, now speak English |
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| 02:09.22 | rant | dpkg, arabic? |
| 02:09.22 | dpkg | Ù
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باÙÙغة اÙعربÙØ© ÙتÙزÙعة دبÙا٠جÙÙ\ÙÙÙÙÙس , اÙرجاء اÙتÙج٠اÙÙ ÙÙاة ##debian-ar |
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| 02:10.07 | rant | hmm.. didn't think there actually was an arabic support channel.. too bad thats real arabic, not I have no spacebar and I'm trolling arabic |
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| 02:12.53 | SKSMajalengka_ri | kaifa'alu |
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| 02:15.24 | bazhang | SKSMajalengka_ri, here is debian support not chatter |
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| 02:25.44 | CygniX | anyone has an idea how to disable kmv/qemu/vnc port offset? |
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| 02:31.59 | rant | if you are referring to the 5900 and 5901 thing I dont think you can disable that because the protocol uses both ports |
| 02:32.23 | rant | its been a long time since I read up on it but it requires both ports IIRC |
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| 02:34.52 | CygniX | in debian 8, I set up the port I want, without there being an offset |
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| 02:35.38 | CygniX | in debian 9, if I manually set the port to 9500, it defaults to 3600, an offset of 5900 |
| 02:37.21 | CygniX | the problem is, when I look for which port qemu-vnc is using, it says 9500, however, vncdisplay say 3600 |
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| 02:37.55 | CygniX | If I open both ports (iptables), neither shows the service is running |
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| 02:40.23 | rant | could you be more specific about what commands you're running to know which port this is (netstat -pant?) and which command is telling you the service isn't running (vnclient 1.2.3.4:9500?) |
| 02:41.51 | rant | I dont see in what universe 3600 is an offser of 9500 |
| 02:42.23 | CygniX | 9500-5900 = 3600 |
| 02:42.33 | CygniX | but yea, I am using netstat -pant |
| 02:43.14 | rant | typically vnc uses baseport+display port.. so are you saying your display port is a negative number? |
| 02:44.03 | CygniX | I have no idea what vnc port is doing in debian 9 |
| 02:44.07 | rant | if server is on 5900 and display is :1 the vnc client connects to 5901 |
| 02:44.10 | CygniX | in 8, it uses the port I give it |
| 02:44.51 | CygniX | rant: I have the following set using virsh edit <vm_name> : <graphics type='vnc' port='<####>' autoport='no' listen='0.0.0.0' passwd='<password>'> |
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| 02:45.44 | rant | I have no idea what that is. |
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| 03:46.23 | linuxUser38000 | How can I rollback an update ? |
| 03:47.51 | linuxUser38000 | I should just edit sources.list ? Is there not gonna have issues ? |
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| 03:49.58 | dvs | roll back what update? |
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| 03:51.17 | linuxUser38000 | dvs: I'm on Mint, since the minor update, I got freezes and I can't do anything |
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| 03:52.08 | dvs | !mint |
| 03:52.08 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 03:56.24 | linuxUser38000 | dvs: it's almost the same, I just infos about people doing rollback on debian distros |
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| 03:57.29 | dax | linuxUser38000: #debian is for Debian support. Distros based on Debian are not Debian. Please use Mint's support channels for Mint, not Debian or Ubuntu's. |
| 03:58.30 | linuxUser38000 | dax: I just want testimony from people doing rollback updates |
| 03:58.42 | dax | linuxUser38000: That's nice. Go talk to Mint's support channel about that. |
| 03:58.57 | linuxUser38000 | dax: damn dude, you're really retarded |
| 03:59.59 | dax | why are derivative users always so entitled |
| 04:00.34 | linuxUser38000 | why are zealot users always so entitled |
| 04:01.22 | dax | It doesn't have anything to do with zealotry. This channel is for Debian users. You're not a Debian user and are asking for help. This is rude, and we want you to go use your own distro's resources. |
| 04:01.40 | dax | So kindly stop imposing on the support channel of a distro that you do not use, and go talk to the Mint people. |
| 04:02.40 | linuxUser38000 | dax: Damn... You're probably one of the most retarded guy I've met on IRC... |
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| 05:01.05 | rockstar[x] | linuxUser38000: go to mint for support. That's like going to Windows channel asking for help with SQL Server. Yea it runs on windows and both created by Microsoft, but it's not a windows specific question. |
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| 05:03.42 | annadane | this question is an hour old. please don't revitalize the flame war |
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| 05:13.52 | rockstar[x] | shhhh Canada |
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| 05:27.14 | Siente | Hello guys! |
| 05:27.25 | Siente | morning to everybody! |
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| 05:44.43 | ajunas | anyone know how to install berkleydb 4.8 (older package) on debian 9 stretch ? |
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| 05:50.12 | annadane | ,v berkleydb |
| 05:50.13 | judd | No package named 'berkleydb' was found in amd64. |
| 05:50.34 | annadane | ,v berkeleydb |
| 05:50.35 | judd | No package named 'berkeleydb' was found in amd64. |
| 05:50.37 | annadane | sigh |
| 05:50.39 | annadane | one sec |
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| 05:51.42 | annadane | ajunas, might be in snapshots |
| 05:51.47 | annadane | !snapshots |
| 05:51.47 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 05:58.48 | ajunas | annadane: oh ok, so do i need to include that somehow in the sources.list file ? |
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| 06:00.50 | annadane | ajunas, i'm sorry, it's not a good answer, i should see whether it's actually in snapshots or not... anyway, from browsing the site there seem to be multiple possible things you could put in your sources |
| 06:00.57 | annadane | i don't usually use it myself so i'm researching |
| 06:01.12 | annadane | the site ought to have that info but again, i don't know if what you need is necessarily there |
| 06:01.21 | annadane | someone who knows more should probably answer that |
| 06:02.22 | ajunas | annadane: ok, thanks |
| 06:02.59 | annadane | the wiki page for it is a bit confusing |
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| 06:08.14 | annadane | a bitcoin page suggests just adding squeeze to your sources.list and installing it that way which is of course not recommended because it becomes a frankendebian |
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| 06:09.05 | annadane | ajunas, what you can do is download the source for 4.8 and build from source (don't use root) https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Building_from_source |
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| 06:09.35 | annadane | the source should be available as it was in squeeze, even if it's not in shapshots... i'm still searching for it |
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| 06:10.35 | ajunas | annadane: ok, that is something i could try I suppose, ill get to that if there is no other way |
| 06:11.12 | annadane | it may actually be in snapshots, i might have found it |
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| 06:11.33 | mdroid | hello |
| 06:12.00 | mdroid | I don't have qemu-img command why? |
| 06:12.39 | mdroid | qemu-system-x86_64 is only command I could find |
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| 06:13.16 | annadane | more specifically, i'm trying to find out what the actual package name is |
| 06:13.22 | annadane | whether it's libdb or something else |
| 06:14.01 | ajunas | i see, link to where your looking? |
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| 06:15.57 | annadane | ajunas, packages.debian.org and searching for "libdb" gives some connection to the berkeley database, for example https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libdb-dev, so i'm looking for other packages called libdb and seeing if i can find the source for it. i did find this: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/libdb/ which seems to have 4.9 |
| 06:16.11 | annadane | but not 4.8 |
| 06:16.31 | annadane | buuuuut... |
| 06:17.08 | annadane | adding an src line for the squeeze repository and trying to install it that way (4.8, i mean) may give you the source |
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| 06:19.48 | annadane | but the thing is, no mirror likely has squeeze anymore |
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| 06:20.49 | annadane | so you can try it but i'm not sure it would work, but "deb-src http://[mirror]/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" if you want to try it |
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| 06:21.11 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/mirror/list but again, i doubt this works |
| 06:21.14 | annadane | you do have 4.9 on snapshots |
| 06:21.22 | annadane | sorry for the excessively long, rambly answer |
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| 06:21.44 | annadane | ajunas, that being said, you may not even need it... what do you need it for? |
| 06:22.36 | annadane | there might be another software that suits your needs |
| 06:22.53 | annadane | mdroid, not sure i understand the question |
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| 06:25.03 | mdroid | annadane, qemu-utils wasn't installed man. thanks |
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| 06:26.24 | ajunas | annadane: ok thanks for the help. i need it to compile bitcoin with wallet enabled, its gotta be version 4.8 for whatever reason |
| 06:26.43 | annadane | yeah, i found that website |
| 06:27.01 | annadane | it may be because the article is old, because the intructions are from wheezy iirc |
| 06:27.27 | annadane | what i would do is ask in a bitcoin forum if there's a better way to get it to work besides relying on years old packages |
| 06:28.51 | annadane | "How to compile and install Bitcoin Core on Debian Wheezy" https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-compile-and-install-bitcoin-core-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 06:29.24 | annadane | i'm certain you can ask the people at bitcoin core or whatever software you're trying to use |
| 06:29.43 | ajunas | annadane: yeah, i used that tutorial and its not finding the packages |
| 06:29.54 | ajunas | i also suck at package management so its also possible im just retarded |
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| 06:30.58 | annadane | well, we're on debian stretch (9) |
| 06:31.16 | annadane | debian squeeze is 6, so it doesn't surprise me packages aren't found |
| 06:31.40 | annadane | that's nominally what snapshots are for but i only found 4.9, but what's more likely is you don't need 4.9 specifically, there's probably a more modern way to do it |
| 06:31.46 | annadane | that article was also written in 2015 |
| 06:32.05 | annadane | don't need 4.8, i mean |
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| 06:32.20 | ajunas | right, im not sure |
| 06:33.07 | annadane | which is why i suggested asking the people behind bitcoin core or some other forum/resource who might have greater insight into building stuff for linux |
| 06:33.17 | annadane | i would give you the source for 4.8 but i don't know where it is |
| 06:33.32 | annadane | (you can't just install from squeeze because that becomes a frankendebian) |
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| 06:34.10 | ajunas | lol ok |
| 06:34.39 | ajunas | i added deb / deb-src lines for squeeze and did apt-get update" |
| 06:34.49 | ajunas | ** apt-get update |
| 06:34.54 | annadane | i wouldn't add deb, just the src line |
| 06:34.57 | ajunas | i didn't frankendebian my server did I? |
| 06:35.08 | annadane | well, not if you haven't installed packages from there |
| 06:35.15 | ajunas | no, just did an update |
| 06:35.38 | ajunas | did not help with finding the libdb 4.8 packages so i removed them and did update again |
| 06:36.29 | jelly | ,v libdb4.8 |
| 06:36.30 | judd | No package named 'libdb4.8' was found in amd64. |
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| 06:36.41 | annadane | ajunas, i visited bitcoincore.org and the link for 64 bit linux is a tar.gz |
| 06:36.47 | annadane | so why not just download that? |
| 06:36.57 | ajunas | i want to be able to compile it |
| 06:37.12 | annadane | if the source is available you can build from source |
| 06:38.01 | ajunas | yeah, i can compile without the wallet but in order to compile with wallet support you gotta have those older berkley db packages |
| 06:38.04 | jelly | upstream for bitcoin core states a build requirement for bdb 4.8 if you want portable format of... something |
| 06:38.06 | annadane | but as i said i highly doubt any mirrors still have squeeze |
| 06:38.20 | jelly | !archive |
| 06:38.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 06:38.40 | jelly | ajunas: old distros are on archive.debian.org |
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| 06:39.54 | ajunas | older debian versions? |
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| 06:39.59 | jelly | ajunas: and you can build with newer bdb, it's just the upstream says a newly created wallet won't have a portable format |
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| 06:41.32 | jelly | I'm not sure what happens with existing wallets. |
| 06:42.14 | jelly | yes, old debian distro releases. |
| 06:42.28 | ajunas | ok, i will get this to work on stretch |
| 06:42.30 | annadane | i am such an idiot. why didn't i think of that earlier? |
| 06:42.35 | annadane | sorry. |
| 06:42.39 | ajunas | might be a /stretch/ ..... |
| 06:43.29 | jelly | you may have to first build bdb 4.8 from deb-src, instead of using old binary packages |
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| 06:43.54 | ajunas | ok |
| 06:43.56 | jelly | dpkg, tell ajunas about package rebuild |
| 06:44.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell ajunas about deb-src |
| 06:44.11 | ajunas | i think what ima do is just install with newer dbd, if it works on my machine then i dont care lol |
| 06:44.28 | ajunas | the portability thing i guess won't matter |
| 06:44.56 | annadane | you can probably port a wallet using some existing bitcoin software |
| 06:45.25 | annadane | there's various software which exists, so you can probably import it and share across devices or whatever, not super familiar with bitcoin |
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| 06:45.46 | Siente | Hello guys! |
| 06:45.54 | Siente | I've just installed debian 9.2 via the network installer |
| 06:46.10 | annadane | ajunas, in future, when you have a support question, state what you want to do and don't just ask for version 4.8, so we can more properly address the question |
| 06:46.11 | Siente | but now I don't have internet |
| 06:46.27 | Siente | what do I need to do in order to have internet? |
| 06:46.34 | annadane | because there may be better solutions available and it cuts down on guessing |
| 06:47.28 | ajunas | annadane: sure i can be more specific, i was still curious about specifically getting db4.8 because there was some way I did it before and I can't remember/find it. |
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| 06:48.00 | annadane | that's fair enough. it just helps everyone if we understand the context |
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| 06:49.44 | jelly | Siente: are you using wired or wireless access to internet? |
| 06:50.44 | Siente | wired |
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| 07:13.22 | choice | Hello |
| 07:13.45 | klys | hi |
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| 07:14.32 | choice | I wonder how to read the memory section of top. |
| 07:14.44 | choice | KiB Mem: 2039032 total, 1867872 used, 171160 free, 79276 buffers |
| 07:14.57 | choice | That looks very "used". Am I right? |
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| 07:15.03 | klys | yes |
| 07:15.33 | choice | Which is the number that tells me how much is left? |
| 07:15.40 | klys | free |
| 07:15.57 | choice | 169MB is free? |
| 07:16.05 | klys | yes. |
| 07:16.07 | choice | 171 I mean |
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| 07:16.45 | choice | Is that real free physical RAM or some funky "it depends" number? |
| 07:17.45 | somiaj | !free memory |
| 07:17.45 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 07:18.06 | somiaj | so free is truely free, but you have more usable memeory being used for cache. |
| 07:18.22 | choice | That 79MB buffers? |
| 07:18.44 | somiaj | no, you need to looked for cached memeory |
| 07:18.59 | choice | It looks like this: KiB Swap: 15728636 total, 13436 used, 15715200 free. 1169652 cached Mem |
| 07:19.15 | choice | So in reality, another 1G is free? |
| 07:19.24 | somiaj | That looks like swap and not memeory. |
| 07:19.46 | choice | Then where do I look / How do I see how close to memory problems I am? |
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| 07:20.41 | klys | you usually get memory problems when you run out of swap (presuming swap is not absolutely huge compared to main memory.) |
| 07:21.17 | choice | If the system would start swapping I would already have problems. |
| 07:21.42 | choice | /proc/meminfo says MemAvailable: 1689592 kB |
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| 07:22.18 | choice | That seems in line with the theory that "1169652 cached Mem" is RAM that is used for caching and can be made available. |
| 07:22.32 | choice | So I tend to think I am far away from memory problems. |
| 07:23.18 | klys | you have 2 GB of main memory, so you should realistically be able to swapp 4/16 of those gigabytes. |
| 07:23.51 | jelly | choice: newer versions of free(1) have a less confusing "available" column |
| 07:23.54 | somiaj | In this case you haven't even really started to use your swap. So free being low is okay, but if your buf/cache is also low, and/or you start using a lot of your swap, I woudln't worry |
| 07:24.51 | choice | jelly: My free seems to not have that. I think I am on Debian 8. |
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| 07:25.15 | jelly | if you ever do a release upgrade to debian 9 you'll have it |
| 07:25.44 | choice | jelly: I think I will jump right to Debian 10. It will be out before support for Debian 8 ends I guess. |
| 07:26.11 | choice | The "-/+ buffers/cache" line of "free -m" says used: 491 free: 1499 |
| 07:26.24 | choice | So I guess that also means that there are 1.5G free memory. |
| 07:26.30 | jelly | that's the line to look at in the old version, yeah |
| 07:26.57 | choice | Ok. Then I assume that I am far far away from memory problems. |
| 07:27.11 | jelly | (it's less accurate, because a small amount of buffers and cache cannot be reclaimed, but it's usually good enough) |
| 07:27.12 | choice | Since of my 2G only 500MB is used by now. |
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| 07:28.29 | choice | One thing that bugs me is that irqbalance has a memory leak. |
| 07:28.45 | choice | I have to regularely restart it or it will eat all my memory. |
| 07:28.54 | jelly | choice: btw in-place release upgrades do not support skipping releases, so you'll have to 8->9, then 9->10 when 10 happens (or reinstall) |
| 07:29.15 | jelly | ,v irqbalance |
| 07:29.16 | judd | Package: irqbalance on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-3; wheezy-backports: 1.0.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1; buster: 1.1.0-2.3; sid: 1.1.0-2.3; stretch: 1.1.0-2.3 |
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| 07:29.27 | choice | I wonder if it is this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=797993 |
| 07:29.28 | jelly | choice: use the one from jessie-backports |
| 07:29.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/797993 in irqbalance (closed, patch): «irqbalance: Memory Leak / Excessive Memory usage in Xen guest»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-09-04; last modified: 2015-11-24. |
| 07:29.34 | Siente | I still have no idea how to setup my internet on my debian 9.2 |
| 07:29.53 | Siente | may you help me guys? |
| 07:29.57 | klys | siente, what are you using for netowrking tools? |
| 07:30.10 | Siente | I've just installed debian 9.2 using the network installer |
| 07:30.15 | choice | jelly: I have no idea how to use a certain version of something. I just install the whole OS on a fresh server and copy over my DB+PHP files and that's it. |
| 07:30.25 | Siente | and I have fresh install of Debian 9.2 |
| 07:30.31 | choice | jelly: So that's how I would "upgrade" from 8 to 10 too. |
| 07:30.58 | jelly | that's a reinstall then |
| 07:30.59 | klys | siente, did you just need to apt-get install firefox ? |
| 07:31.12 | Siente | klys: it was installed by default |
| 07:31.18 | choice | jelly: Can I see from the bug report in which version it is fixed? |
| 07:31.21 | klys | siente, does it work? |
| 07:31.29 | Siente | not loading any pages I don't have internet |
| 07:31.31 | Siente | on the debian |
| 07:31.32 | jelly | Siente: can you show the output of "ip a" and "ip r" |
| 07:31.35 | choice | jelly: Oh, I see. Fixed in 1.09-1 |
| 07:32.02 | klys | siente, $ ping 198.60.22.2 |
| 07:32.02 | Siente | jelly: I need to boot the debian |
| 07:32.18 | choice | jelly: How would I use the version from backports? |
| 07:32.18 | jelly | well, duh |
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| 07:33.03 | choice | jelly: And also, why is it not fixed in Debian 8? |
| 07:33.22 | Siente | brb to login here from my phone and to boot the debian |
| 07:33.24 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 07:33.24 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 07:33.26 | Siente | thanks in advance |
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| 07:33.58 | choice | jelly: I would be afraid to put another line in /etc/apt/sources. I don't know which implications that has. |
| 07:34.04 | jelly | choice: I guess it was not deemed important enough for a fix in oldstable |
| 07:34.52 | jelly | choice: backports repo is configured not to allow accidental upgrades, only those you explicitely ask for (and their dependencies) |
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| 07:35.17 | choice | jelly: I see. |
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| 07:35.29 | Siente | hello guys I am here from my phone |
| 07:35.30 | jelly | thus it's reasonably safe to keep it enabled |
| 07:36.16 | choice | jelly: Isn't maintaining a broken version in Debian 8 and a fixed version in Debian 8 backports more work then just to fix the version in Debian 8? I don't see how "It's less important, lets fix it in the backports repo" decision is made. |
| 07:36.27 | somiaj | Siente: are you trying to install using wifi? |
| 07:36.39 | Siente | no |
| 07:36.48 | jelly | Siente: can you take a camera shot of "ip a" and "ip r" output and upload it somewhere (picpaste.com, imgur.com, ...) |
| 07:37.07 | jelly | somiaj: they said wired, and it's installed already |
| 07:37.46 | Siente | ip r outputs nothing |
| 07:37.54 | Siente | and in ip a what do I need to look for? |
| 07:37.58 | jelly | choice: a backport can be done by a different debian developer. |
| 07:38.12 | choice | jelly: One that is less trustworthy? |
| 07:38.14 | jelly | Siente: show the whole thing, please |
| 07:38.21 | Siente | ok |
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| 07:39.13 | jelly | choice: in this case, one that cares about having a fixed package available for jessie users, as opposed to the actual maintainer of irqbalance |
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| 07:39.44 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_103838-jgXpKrm3.jpg |
| 07:39.53 | choice | jelly: Funky |
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| 07:40.24 | klys | siente, you'll need to give an ip address to eno1 |
| 07:40.42 | choice | jelly: Thanky for the infos! I'm out to get the first coffee of the day now. |
| 07:40.46 | jelly | Siente: good. Now, is there an entry for eno1 in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 07:40.50 | klys | siente, do you wish to assign a static address, or use dhcp? |
| 07:41.01 | Siente | dhcp |
| 07:41.21 | Siente | need to add auto en0 there or what |
| 07:41.51 | jelly | Siente: can you show the whole thing? |
| 07:41.54 | klys | siente, edit and save a file at /etc/network/interfaces.d/eno1 or simply edit /etc/network/interfaces as jelly is saying. |
| 07:42.33 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_104135-jWyEtjmz.jpg |
| 07:43.01 | klys | siente, auto lo eno1 |
| 07:43.22 | Siente | and then |
| 07:43.40 | klys | save and exit the editor, # ifdown eno1; ifup eno1 |
| 07:43.59 | Siente | what |
| 07:44.18 | klys | those commands should be executed as root. |
| 07:44.25 | jelly | Siente: well, that looks fine. Already present allow-hotplug eno1 _should_ have set the interface up. |
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| 07:44.50 | jelly | klys: why are you telling them to have both auto and allow-hotplug for the same iface |
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| 07:45.42 | klys | jelly, you go ahead then. it sounds like something I would have configured as auto. I don't know why it isn't working either. |
| 07:45.51 | Siente | I still don't have internet |
| 07:46.12 | Siente | executed both commands |
| 07:46.19 | klys | perhaps you need a dhcp client |
| 07:46.20 | jelly | Siente: show the current state of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:46.26 | Siente | okay |
| 07:47.36 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_104649-SKylI1sG.jpg |
| 07:48.52 | klys | en0 is not an interface, eno1 is, just you can delete it from the auto line now. |
| 07:48.55 | jelly | Siente: so you didn't change it? |
| 07:49.09 | jelly | oh, en0 |
| 07:49.16 | Siente | I have added eno0 |
| 07:49.18 | Siente | aaaa |
| 07:49.25 | Siente | it should be eno1 |
| 07:49.28 | Siente | right? |
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| 07:50.37 | jelly | Siente: that's not useful, put it back as it was before. You can replace "allow-hotplug eno1" with "auto eno1" instead, but that's probably not causing your issues |
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| 07:51.21 | Siente | so what's causing the issues not having internet? |
| 07:51.32 | jelly | if you did an explicit "ifup eno1" that would have ignored both auto and allow-hotplug lines. |
| 07:51.38 | jelly | we don't know yet |
| 07:51.39 | klys | siente, you don't have a cable plugged in? |
| 07:51.45 | klys | just a guess |
| 07:51.46 | Siente | I have ofc |
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| 07:52.02 | jelly | klys: http://picpaste.com/20171022_103838-jgXpKrm3.jpg link is up |
| 07:52.34 | klys | yeah it's configured as ipv6 for some reason |
| 07:52.53 | Siente | no idea why |
| 07:52.56 | jelly | Siente: are there any dhcp clients running from boot or previous ifup command? ps -fe |grep dh |
| 07:52.57 | Siente | it shouldn't be |
| 07:53.05 | Dagger | that's not configured as v6. that has no config on it at all |
| 07:53.27 | Dagger | ...except a MAC address and a link-local, which is more or less an L3 MAC address |
| 07:54.18 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_105335-hcj3CGRe.jpg |
| 07:54.55 | klys | looks like your dhcp client did not find the router |
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| 07:55.52 | klys | is your router configured as a dhcp server over ethernet? |
| 07:56.13 | klys | perhaps it is only serving wireless devices. |
| 07:56.31 | Siente | Idk I have internet on my windows 10 |
| 07:56.37 | Siente | how can I check out? |
| 07:57.06 | klys | oh then you can try some commands to assign a static ip address and ping your router |
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| 07:57.21 | Siente | I don't have my own router I am using the device provided by my current ISP |
| 07:57.35 | Siente | it is a router as well |
| 07:57.40 | Siente | I guess so |
| 07:58.22 | jelly | I'll let klys walk you through that |
| 07:58.41 | klys | I won't use the ip command, so... |
| 07:59.05 | klys | # ifconfig eno1 192.168.0.2 |
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| 07:59.12 | klys | # ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:59.20 | klys | that's all there is to it usually |
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| 07:59.53 | Siente | I am gonna take a quick shower brb but I need to figure out how to have internet on my debian 9.2 I wanna use it :xxxx |
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| 08:00.11 | klys | tah-tah. |
| 08:00.15 | Siente | hopefully it's okay for you to help me in 10-15 mins |
| 08:00.26 | Siente | I really need your help guys |
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| 08:14.11 | Siente | klys man |
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| 08:16.32 | Siente | jelly |
| 08:16.43 | Siente | destination host unreachable |
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| 08:17.07 | klys | siente, do you have access to your router from your phone? |
| 08:17.20 | Siente | I am currently using the wifi |
| 08:17.25 | Siente | to be here |
| 08:17.36 | klys | if so, pull up the admin page (browse to the router's address) |
| 08:17.52 | Siente | idk If I have such page as I said |
| 08:18.03 | Siente | I am using the ISP's device |
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| 08:18.13 | Siente | I don't have my own router |
| 08:18.30 | klys | can you tell the address to the router from android wireless? |
| 08:18.32 | Siente | and dunno if their router is like normal router |
| 08:18.37 | Siente | how? |
| 08:18.51 | klys | well I have an android. go to wireless settings. |
| 08:19.05 | klys | hold down the tap on your access point |
| 08:19.09 | Siente | 192 |
| 08:19.15 | Siente | 192.168.0.3 |
| 08:19.27 | klys | okay, ping 192.168.0.3 |
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| 08:19.39 | Siente | same |
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| 08:20.04 | klys | put 192.168.0.3 in your browser address bar on your phone. |
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| 08:20.32 | klys | was that the default gateway address? |
| 08:20.47 | Siente | no idea but not loading |
| 08:20.59 | klys | try putting in 192.168.0.1 |
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| 08:21.28 | Siente | not loading again |
| 08:21.30 | klys | if you can not get a page, then go back to wireless settings, hold it down, and click edit |
| 08:21.46 | klys | make sure you have word of the gateway address. |
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| 08:22.07 | Siente | and then show advanced options? |
| 08:22.11 | klys | yes |
| 08:22.38 | klys | your phone is probably the computer at .0.3 would be my guess |
| 08:23.01 | saedelaere | I am currently trying to install gitolite3. I already had gitolite2 running. during installation I have been asked to provide the administrator's ssk key. which key o I need to use here? The key of a remote user that will administrator the gitolite installation or the key of a local user? |
| 08:23.07 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_20171022-112226-BhJAlQ8D.png |
| 08:23.39 | klys | siente, can you scroll down? |
| 08:23.46 | Siente | no? |
| 08:24.00 | klys | uh, try 192.168.100.1 |
| 08:24.32 | Siente | not loading |
| 08:25.00 | Siente | when I try to ping 1o2 |
| 08:25.06 | Siente | 192.168.100.1 or .3 |
| 08:25.19 | Siente | network is unreachable |
| 08:25.43 | klys | siente, to acess the .100.x network, # ifconfig eno1 192.168.100.27 |
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| 08:25.54 | tdn | Is it safe to run "diskscan" utility on a mounted disk (root fs of running system) ? |
| 08:26.21 | klys | tdn, # mount -o remount,ro / |
| 08:26.33 | klys | t dn, thereafter you should # sync; reboot |
| 08:26.46 | Siente | okay I can ping now |
| 08:26.47 | Siente | ? |
| 08:27.44 | klys | siente, which addresses were you pinging |
| 08:28.05 | Siente | 192.168.100.1 and it's working now |
| 08:28.16 | Siente | after ifconfig 192.168.100.27 |
| 08:28.27 | Siente | ifconfig eno1 192 |
| 08:28.32 | Siente | .. I mean |
| 08:28.51 | klys | siente, # route add default gw 192.168.100.1 |
| 08:29.05 | klys | siente, then check if you can ping 198.60.22.2 |
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| 08:29.31 | Siente | I can't |
| 08:30.10 | klys | siente, are there only two machines on the network? just your phone, your desktop, and the router? I think the router is .100.1 |
| 08:30.22 | Siente | yes |
| 08:30.27 | Siente | and maybe my mom's phone |
| 08:30.33 | Siente | and the tablet |
| 08:30.35 | Siente | ððð |
| 08:30.49 | klys | siente, # ping -b 192.168.100.255 |
| 08:31.13 | Siente | not working |
| 08:31.32 | klys | except you can still ping 192.168.100.1 right? |
| 08:31.36 | Siente | yes |
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| 08:32.34 | klys | siente, can you check the address of those other devices to make sure they're not .1 ? it may help you ascertain the address of their default gateway. |
| 08:32.49 | Siente | okay |
| 08:32.55 | Siente | 1 mom |
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| 08:33.57 | Siente | my mom's phone is ending on 4 |
| 08:34.13 | klys | did it say the gateway address on the settings? |
| 08:34.53 | klys | if not, you could try modifying your ip settings momentarily to static IP from DHCP and see if the default shows up on yours |
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| 08:35.12 | klys | and then just click cancel |
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| 08:35.35 | Siente | the tablet on 2 |
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| 08:36.00 | klys | ok, we are now sure the router is .100.1 so paste ip r again |
| 08:36.50 | jaxson | is the router an actual device? sounds mad but it's a valid question |
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| 08:36.59 | klys | it is, yes. |
| 08:37.15 | jaxson | does it have a management gui at all? |
| 08:37.22 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_113624-oG1VKpg6.jpg |
| 08:37.42 | Siente | from my isp's website when I login |
| 08:37.48 | Siente | I can see some stuff there |
| 08:38.05 | klys | that should be possible to ascertain by browsing to http://192.168.100.1 or http://192.168.100.1:8080 |
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| 08:38.53 | jaxson | well if it's an isp device he won't be able to get there.. edge routers IP will be blocked from client side for browsing.. |
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| 08:39.08 | jaxson | so what are you trying to do klys? |
| 08:39.27 | klys | jaxson, what do you mean he can't browse to .100.1 ? |
| 08:39.31 | klys | he can ping it. |
| 08:39.38 | jaxson | I'm sorry if I'm butting in .. it's just my line of work so no some of routing ;) |
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| 08:40.08 | jaxson | ping is different from any web interface.. |
| 08:40.18 | jaxson | or telnet/ssh etc.. |
| 08:40.19 | klys | jaxson, go on, explain |
| 08:40.20 | Siente | it's my ISP's device yes |
| 08:40.34 | jaxson | no isp in their right mind would allow customers to get to those.. |
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| 08:40.55 | Siente | I've installed debian 9.2 using the net installer now I don't have internet on the debian |
| 08:41.06 | klys | I used to have an Actiontec Q1000 with Centurylink in 2012. I was in charge of configuring it myself. |
| 08:41.28 | jaxson | klys .. was it your isp router or one the plugged into the wall where you live? |
| 08:41.46 | klys | jaxson, it was an ADSL router and it plugged into the phone line. |
| 08:41.48 | jaxson | Siente, same question for you as klys.. |
| 08:41.51 | jaxson | yep |
| 08:42.15 | Siente | nope not into the wall |
| 08:42.26 | Siente | it is external device looks like router |
| 08:42.26 | jaxson | Siente, is it at your premises? |
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| 08:42.43 | Siente | I've plugged my tvs and my lan cable to it |
| 08:43.33 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_114303-aWgxYss5.jpg |
| 08:43.36 | jaxson | ok .. so it's a device on your home network .. |
| 08:43.40 | Siente | it's the device |
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| 08:44.07 | jaxson | have you logged into it in the past? |
| 08:44.12 | Siente | Huawei EchoLife HG8245 |
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| 08:44.21 | Siente | I have internet everywhere |
| 08:44.26 | Siente | my windows 10 my phones tablets |
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| 08:44.55 | Siente | I've installed my debian 9.2 using the network installer successfully |
| 08:45.04 | Siente | but don't have internet now |
| 08:45.08 | jaxson | cool .. so if you have win10 .. just go to cmd prompt and type in ipconfig /all |
| 08:45.16 | klys | siente, it makes no sense to me that you can't ping out, so I'll have you reboot into windows to check your ip address settings if further attention is required. |
| 08:45.22 | jaxson | that'll give you exactly the settings |
| 08:45.35 | jaxson | klys good plan :) |
| 08:45.38 | Siente | and then |
| 08:46.39 | jaxson | screen shot that .. and use it for the settings in debian.. |
| 08:46.48 | klys | siente, it could be we have configured it wrongly. that's basically true by the process of elimination |
| 08:47.00 | jaxson | if it goes over the screen .. just cap the appropriate interface |
| 08:47.04 | Siente | but I have no idea how to configure the settings on the debian |
| 08:47.14 | jaxson | we can help with that.. |
| 08:47.22 | Siente | okay 1 mom guys |
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| 08:48.49 | klys | siente, it was those two commands, # ifconfig eno1 192.168.100.27; and # route add default gw 192.168.100.1 |
| 08:49.07 | rawruw | one strange thing that happened was that I lost the group with the same id as the user I added. Is that expected and an explicit thing? |
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| 08:49.42 | klys | rawruw, when did you lose that group? |
| 08:50.18 | rawruw | klys: userdel testuser, group disappeared as well |
| 08:50.25 | rawruw | the group with the name testuser |
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| 08:50.49 | klys | oh, then it's probably supposed to happen that way. did you check $ man userdel |
| 08:50.57 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/Untitled-Nff1oxVI.jpg |
| 08:51.46 | klys | siente, that looks like a bridged PPPoE network. |
| 08:52.00 | Siente | dafuq is this |
| 08:52.13 | jaxson | yep |
| 08:52.55 | klys | it means the router is configured to bridge you right into the public address. you will need apt-get install pppoeconfig |
| 08:52.56 | Siente | I've installed oracle virtualbox on my windows 10 |
| 08:53.28 | Siente | as I remember I am with DHCP |
| 08:53.35 | Siente | on my phones it's DHCP as well |
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| 08:53.49 | Siente | I've been with PPPoE 10 years ago |
| 08:53.56 | Siente | dunno what you're talking about |
| 08:54.00 | Siente | but I am noob |
| 08:54.06 | rawruw | klys: yes. It'll delete the group if no other user is using it as primary group, if USERGROUPS_ENAB is defined which it seems to be. |
| 08:54.16 | klys | I was with PPPoE five years ago |
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| 08:54.38 | Siente | so what do I need to do |
| 08:54.40 | Siente | i dunno |
| 08:54.58 | Siente | it isn't because of the oracle virtualbox |
| 08:55.00 | klys | you need a pppoeconfig package and just follow the prompts once it's installed. |
| 08:55.00 | Siente | ? |
| 08:55.04 | Siente | you sure? |
| 08:55.10 | jaxson | the route probably handles the pppoe authentication .. |
| 08:55.13 | Siente | the output I mean |
| 08:55.40 | Siente | and it's nothing to do with the installed oracle virtualbox? |
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| 08:56.22 | klys | 78.83.27.76 is a public ip address. not a local network. |
| 08:56.32 | jaxson | yep |
| 08:56.46 | Siente | yes |
| 08:57.11 | Siente | so I will boot the debian again |
| 08:57.15 | klys | so I sincerely doubt virtualbox is interfering. |
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| 08:57.55 | Siente | my ISP configured static ip on that lan port which I am currently using |
| 08:58.02 | Siente | the other port is with non static ip |
| 08:58.15 | choice | jelly: Ok, after having a coffee, I feel adventurous. I will try the jessie backport for irqbalance. |
| 08:59.56 | klys | siente, the package is actually called pppoeconf |
| 09:00.05 | choice | So I will add this to sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main |
| 09:00.19 | choice | Then run apt-get update |
| 09:00.48 | choice | And then do this? apt-get -t jessie-backports install irqbalance |
| 09:01.13 | klys | choice, sounds about right. |
| 09:01.24 | choice | klys: Thanks. Here we go ... |
| 09:02.14 | choice | And then this? service irqbalance restart |
| 09:02.31 | Siente | so apt-get install pppoeconfig now? |
| 09:02.49 | klys | siente, apt-get install pppoeconf |
| 09:03.00 | Siente | my debian is not booting up now o_0 |
| 09:03.19 | choice | How can I see if the new version of irqbalance is running now? |
| 09:03.22 | Siente | ah it booted |
| 09:03.56 | klys | choice, # ps waux | grep irq |
| 09:03.57 | rozie | didn't follow full discussion about this not working internet, but if phone connects with wifi to router without pppoe config, I believe computer should have get IP from DHCP |
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| 09:04.19 | Siente | can't install it |
| 09:04.23 | choice | klys: That does not output anything related to irqbalance. |
| 09:04.46 | rozie | somehow I don't belive in such setup, that router is pppoe termination device for wifi and does not terminate pppoe for ethernet devices |
| 09:04.53 | klys | siente, log and show the packages it's trying to download |
| 09:05.13 | Siente | what do you mean |
| 09:05.31 | klys | siente, it didn't work due to network failure, right? |
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| 09:05.49 | choice | klys: Does that mean the backport thing killed irqbalance? |
| 09:05.50 | klys | siente, you should have a list of packages it tried to download |
| 09:05.55 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_120523-61UnvzEL.jpg |
| 09:06.28 | choice | begins to think maybe he should not have done the backport thing... |
| 09:06.53 | choice | Oh it's back! |
| 09:06.54 | klys | siente, you should be able to use that in windows to fetch the right packages from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:07.12 | choice | klys: it does not say anything about the version |
| 09:07.24 | Siente | but I haven't done that before |
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| 09:07.28 | choice | klys: just: /usr/sbin/irqbalance --pid=/var/run/irqbalance.pid |
| 09:07.28 | Siente | and I had internet |
| 09:07.40 | klys | choice, dpkg -l irqbalance |
| 09:08.28 | choice | klys: Awesome, it's v1.1 now! |
| 09:08.38 | klys | :) |
| 09:08.55 | Siente | klys what should I do next? |
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| 09:09.29 | klys | siente, with that pic in mind, boot windows and browse to https://packages.debian.org |
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| 09:09.51 | Siente | and I need to download the packages needed |
| 09:09.58 | klys | yes. |
| 09:10.52 | choice | After upgrading the irqbalance demon to a new version, would you guys run any particular tests to see if the system still performs well? |
| 09:11.14 | choice | This is a server that serves 50k users every day. I don't want to take any chances. |
| 09:11.22 | Siente | may you help me with that |
| 09:11.24 | klys | choice, mebby I'd open 72 tabs in firefox. |
| 09:11.42 | klys | siente, let me know if it looks prohibitive. |
| 09:11.59 | choice | klys: There is no Firefox. It's a server. |
| 09:12.01 | Siente | I have no idea how to search for them the rigbt way |
| 09:12.07 | Siente | right* |
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| 09:13.05 | klys | siente, just use the first search tool (there are two) on the page and type in pppoeconf |
| 09:13.10 | Siente | okay |
| 09:13.45 | Siente | and then |
| 09:14.13 | klys | siente, see the bottom of the page, right-click amd64 and open in new tab |
| 09:14.36 | klys | oh first click the package name |
| 09:14.44 | klys | then do that. |
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| 09:15.15 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/Untitled-9kU4iIt0.png |
| 09:15.40 | klys | siente, this page has an amd64 near the bottom. |
| 09:16.18 | Siente | it has download pppoeconf architecture all |
| 09:16.32 | klys | siente, also open ppp and libpcap0.8 in new tabs |
| 09:16.50 | klys | all works, then you have it for your system too. |
| 09:17.06 | klys | use all if it says all. |
| 09:17.30 | Siente | I don't see libpcap |
| 09:17.39 | klys | ppp's page will have that |
| 09:18.06 | Siente | but ppp is there 2 times |
| 09:18.08 | Siente | which one |
| 09:18.19 | klys | just keep doing open in new tab. those two are the same entry. |
| 09:19.04 | Siente | okay and I need to download ppp for amd64 and the libccap |
| 09:19.20 | klys | libpcap0.8 and ppp, yes. |
| 09:19.35 | klys | did you download the other one yet? |
| 09:19.48 | Siente | yes all them 3 |
| 09:19.51 | Siente | are downloaded |
| 09:19.58 | klys | okay time to reboot |
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| 09:20.34 | Siente | okay and now |
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| 09:20.55 | klys | siente, mount your windows partition |
| 09:21.10 | Siente | ohhh I don't remember how :( |
| 09:21.27 | klys | siente, first you will need an empty directory: # mkdir /c |
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| 09:21.43 | Siente | what is this a start job is running for raise network interfaces |
| 09:21.47 | Siente | it takes ages to load |
| 09:21.49 | klys | siente then you will need the output of # fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 09:21.54 | Siente | since we changed some settings |
| 09:22.16 | klys | siente, it's trying to bring up the network. |
| 09:22.41 | klys | failing that, it should continue. |
| 09:23.01 | klys | also I am a bit lagged |
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| 09:24.15 | klys | siente, with that output, mount /dev/sdaX /c; where X is the number of your largest windows partition. |
| 09:24.23 | Siente | okay I've moved the packages to /home/siente/Downloads |
| 09:24.47 | Siente | how to install them now |
| 09:24.51 | klys | siente, # dpkg -i /path/to/libpcap0.8_*.deb |
| 09:25.14 | klys | then ppp and pppoeconf |
| 09:25.22 | Siente | and then |
| 09:25.24 | Siente | done |
| 09:25.42 | klys | it should have given you a pppoeconf command |
| 09:26.01 | Siente | I need to type pppoeconf now? |
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| 09:26.10 | klys | I think so. |
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| 09:26.43 | klys | yes. |
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| 09:28.08 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_122738-5NLBD9pC.jpg |
| 09:28.15 | Siente | => I give up |
| 09:28.36 | klys | haha |
| 09:29.12 | Siente | what now |
| 09:29.23 | Siente | why is fate against me? |
| 09:29.39 | annadane | courage, my friend, all shall be resolved in time |
| 09:29.40 | klys | siente, you should try # ps waux | grep ppp |
| 09:30.07 | Siente | and? |
| 09:30.17 | klys | and if it says anyting let me know |
| 09:30.47 | Siente | http://picpaste.com/20171022_123015-swNrqBIR.jpg |
| 09:31.02 | Siente | it says fml |
| 09:31.10 | Siente | =D |
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| 09:31.55 | klys | right, somehow your access concentrator is not accessible from linux (though it is from windows) what was that about virtualbox, anyway? |
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| 09:32.59 | Siente | nothing I've installed oracle virtualbox to install Linux on VM |
| 09:33.20 | klys | you could try # ifconfig eno1 192.168.100.27; route add default gw 192.168.100.1; ping 198.60.22.2; and just let it sit for a minute |
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| 09:34.54 | klys | it seems that would have been analogous to what rozie was saying |
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| 09:35.08 | klys | that it should work out of the box |
| 09:35.14 | Siente | nothing is happening |
| 09:35.19 | Siente | it was working in the past |
| 09:35.23 | Siente | out of the box |
| 09:35.32 | klys | okok, if you want you can try to run pppoeconf again |
| 09:35.34 | Siente | and I've installed it with the network installer |
| 09:36.05 | Siente | timeout again |
| 09:36.19 | Siente | same |
| 09:36.22 | Siente | not connected |
| 09:36.28 | klys | let's try to ping 212.50.10.50 |
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| 09:37.00 | Siente | not woeki |
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| 09:37.05 | Siente | not working |
| 09:37.28 | klys | siente, mebby someone else can help, just lurk for an hour or so |
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| 09:37.41 | klys | is my advice at this point |
| 09:37.47 | Siente | lurk? |
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| 09:38.04 | klys | yeah because I don't know everything about pppoe |
| 09:38.11 | Siente | okay |
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| 09:48.35 | ledeni | Siente, did you start pppoe 'systemctl start pppoe' |
| 09:48.55 | BiG_NoBoDy | hi guys, maybe you could remind me an option to minidlna, which forces sorting by name? |
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| 10:06.26 | Siente | ledeni no? |
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| 10:18.40 | Siente | ledeni are you there? |
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| 10:19.05 | Zolee64 | Hi, Where should I put GPG keys? https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/index.php?generate |
| 10:19.24 | themill | please don't use debgen |
| 10:19.56 | BiG_NoBoDy | is it in .gpg? |
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| 10:21.10 | Zolee64 | themill: I don't see other options |
| 10:21.21 | themill | for what? |
| 10:21.33 | themill | debgen does nothing useful |
| 10:21.38 | Zolee64 | To know what should I put in sourcer.list |
| 10:21.44 | themill | for what release? |
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| 10:21.50 | Zolee64 | stable |
| 10:21.55 | themill | !stretch sources.list |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 10:22.07 | themill | ^^ those 3 lines. Job done. |
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| 10:22.28 | ledeni | Siente, tryto to start pppoe 'systemctl start pppoe' |
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| 10:22.41 | gunix | with the propermirror. i don't think deb.debian.org/debian is a CDN |
| 10:22.43 | Zolee64 | there are 3rd party repos I'd like to use |
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| 10:23.09 | tdn | Is it safe to run "diskscan" utility on a mounted disk (root fs of running system) ? |
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| 10:23.48 | ledeni | Siente, in terminal 'systemctl start pppoe' |
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| 10:24.17 | jaxson | wouldn't it be better to just use the nat'd connection from the server? |
| 10:24.37 | jaxson | it's just a session isn't it |
| 10:24.41 | gunix | Zolee64: i have 3rd party repo for weechat. the one in the debian repo is too old |
| 10:25.01 | Zolee64 | I ask it agaui. Maybe someone answers to MY question. Where should I put those GPG keys? Please someone answer to me! |
| 10:25.40 | jaxson | Zolee64, my answer is not going to be helpful .. hence keeping quiet on yours :) |
| 10:25.45 | themill | Zolee64: "those gpg keys" is about as vague as you can get and you are strongly encouraged not to break your machine |
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| 10:27.35 | themill | (and seriously, please don't use debgen.simplylinux.ch. it's crap. it generates sources.list that are full of errors and it routinely causes problems... but what would I know from having done this for times measured in decades....) |
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| 10:33.06 | Siente | ledeni okay I will try it |
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| 10:34.38 | ledeni | Siente, to make on boot 'systemctl enable pppoe' |
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| 10:39.16 | rawruw | don't linux need something better than systemd to grow? |
| 10:41.04 | Siente | ledeni do I need to run pppoeconf afterwards? |
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| 10:41.40 | ledeni | Siente, no |
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| 10:45.53 | ledeni | Siente, try to set dsl connection with 'nm-connection-editor'(just run in terminal) |
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| 10:46.38 | BiG_NoBoDy | tdn - as far as I remember, yes, just run it was ok for me. :) |
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| 11:32.38 | MEGAF | Hi folks, hows things? |
| 11:33.20 | MEGAF | I'd like to use a local copy of the packages in the DVD, so I cp the dists and pool directory and added it to sources.list |
| 11:33.30 | MEGAF | but apt complains it doesnt have a key |
| 11:33.34 | MEGAF | how do I fix that? |
| 11:33.50 | MEGAF | E: The repository 'file:/srv/debian stretch Release' is not signed. |
| 11:33.50 | MEGAF | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
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| 11:36.26 | tdn | bionix, ok |
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| 11:47.42 | Siente | Hello guys |
| 11:47.50 | Siente | ledeni are you still there? |
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| 11:49.49 | petn-randall | MEGAF: Can you show the output of 'apt update' and also your sources.list? You can use https://paste.debian.net for that. |
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| 11:53.28 | MEGAF | petn-randall, the apt update gives the error I put above |
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| 11:53.42 | MEGAF | deb file:/srv/debian stretch main contrib |
| 11:53.51 | Siente | how is the debian net installer connecting to the internet and getting ip? |
| 11:53.55 | confusedcricket | I am officially really confused. if i install strong swan client software on a debian laptop, and connect to the access point, and try and establish a connection, it stalls at ~sending packet from ip[500] to ip[500] (352 bytes), now, if i run a vm with a bridged adapter, the exact same happens. but if i run the vm in natmode, it freaking connects. I have a pretty standard linksys router on the wireless side. |
| 11:54.02 | MEGAF | and this is the line in sources.list |
| 11:54.02 | petn-randall | MEGAF: Is that the *complete* output? |
| 11:54.21 | MEGAF | the part that matters, yes |
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| 11:55.05 | MEGAF | E: The repository 'file:/srv/debian stretch Release' is not signed. |
| 11:55.05 | MEGAF | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
| 11:55.05 | MEGAF | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. |
| 11:55.07 | MEGAF | full error output |
| 11:55.32 | petn-randall | MEGAF: Please you a paste site for sharing content, otherwise the bot might kick you for flooding. |
| 11:55.38 | petn-randall | s/you/use/ |
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| 11:55.51 | petn-randall | (next time) |
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| 11:56.09 | hipodilski | hi guys I have a question related to debian installable kernels |
| 11:56.41 | petn-randall | MEGAF: Take a look at apt-cdrom, it will create sources.list lines for you that don't have this problem. |
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| 11:56.48 | hipodilski | i'm having a thinkpad with intel core 2 duo processor and I want to install a kernel that would fit it best |
| 11:57.16 | MEGAF | petn-randall, I use IRC for quite some time already, 10+ years of Freenode alone ;) |
| 11:57.16 | MEGAF | 11+ years actually |
| 11:57.25 | hipodilski | i was wondering is the linux-headers-4.9.0-3-rt-686-pae best choice for that cpu ? |
| 11:57.31 | hipodilski | i'm currently running 4.9.0-4-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT |
| 11:57.40 | MEGAF | hipodilski, default amd64 kernel is the best |
| 11:57.50 | petn-randall | hipodilski: I'd use the one shipped with the release. |
| 11:57.51 | MEGAF | hipodilski, linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:58.15 | petn-randall | MEGAF: Not sure how that info is relevant to the issue. |
| 11:58.17 | hipodilski | MEGAF: but isn't a PREEMPT kernel a better choice |
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| 11:58.32 | MEGAF | rt stands for real time, basically for scientific and multimedia workstations |
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| 11:58.47 | MEGAF | preempt would be halfway |
| 11:58.53 | petn-randall | hipodilski: real-time has a very specific meaning that isn't relevant for Desktop systems. |
| 11:58.59 | MEGAF | debian kernel is semi preempt |
| 11:59.06 | MEGAF | its good for desktop and servers |
| 11:59.56 | Tarrasquero | heee |
| 12:00.08 | hipodilski | petn-randall: i read that PREEMPT is perfect for desktop and liquorix kernel is compiled that way? |
| 12:00.11 | hipodilski | isn't that correct |
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| 12:00.37 | MEGAF | not sure liquorix works on stretch |
| 12:00.55 | MEGAF | hipodilski, but man,m stick to the default, I garantee you will not feel any difference |
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| 12:02.45 | petn-randall | hipodilski: preemptible kernels give you a guarantee to do context switching within a certain timeframe (~1 ms) at a cost of computing performance. This is relevant if you have a machine that is operating a stop switch for a circular saw, but not for a desktop. |
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| 12:03.20 | dario_ | hi everybody |
| 12:05.24 | petn-randall | hi dario_ |
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| 12:06.00 | dario_ | I'm trying to create e USB multiboot stick, for booting ISO in looping, but I can't start... I tried using gparted, making GPT table and a vfat32 partition, but if I plug the USB nothing happens, I can see /dev/sdb1 and I can mount it as root, but why debian doesn't mount it as a regular usb pen? |
| 12:07.11 | dario_ | hi petn-randall |
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| 12:30.10 | shtrb | How can I close a bug on a BTS ? (fixed on upstream) |
| 12:30.45 | tremon | fixed upstream doesn't mean the bug is fixed in debian, it still needs to propagate |
| 12:31.04 | petn-randall | shtrb: I believe you can do that with reportbug. Tagged it with "fixup-upstream" at least. |
| 12:31.14 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 12:43.03 | hipodilski | petn-randall: what is a stop switch for a circular saw? |
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| 12:44.01 | shtrb | not petn , but in many you have a dead man switch (must be pressed to operate) |
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| 13:27.58 | ryzokuken | hey all! |
| 13:28.04 | ryzokuken | needed a little help. |
| 13:28.24 | shtrb | !ask |
| 13:28.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:28.34 | ryzokuken | I just installed a fresh copy of debian stretch, trying to install packages over apt asks me to enter the install CS |
| 13:28.37 | ryzokuken | CD** |
| 13:28.51 | ryzokuken | but I need to install the package from the internet. |
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| 13:29.56 | abrotman | ryzokuken: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out the CD source line |
| 13:30.06 | abrotman | then run your package manage update routine |
| 13:30.09 | ryzokuken | abrotman: okay |
| 13:30.24 | ryzokuken | shouldn't this have been done in the installation? |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | some people prefer teh CD |
| 13:30.49 | dvs | ryzokuken, not if you used a CD/DVD image to do the install |
| 13:30.57 | shtrb | could it be that redshift had been installed without a widget ? |
| 13:31.09 | shtrb | sorry , wrong place |
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| 13:33.53 | intore | hi all, I'm using a debian stretch 9.2, updated this morning from 9.1 becasue of the updates about WPA2 bug. i found here https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/wpa a bugs list. could you tell me how can i see if those updates are installed? |
| 13:34.18 | ryzokuken | also, how do I set a custom font in the tty? |
| 13:34.42 | shtrb | intore , apt-cache policy packagename and check the version number |
| 13:34.52 | ryzokuken | I did `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup`, but how to add custom fonts to that list? |
| 13:35.05 | petn-randall | !krackattacks |
| 13:35.05 | dpkg | Just update your wpa_supplicant or hostapd. It has been fixed in 2:2.4-1+deb9u1 for stretch, 1:2.3-1+deb8u5 for jessie, and 1:1.0-3+deb7u4 for wheezy. See also https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3999. See https://www.krackattacks.com/ for details on the attack on WPA2. |
| 13:35.06 | abrotman | intore: check the DSA, ensure the package numbers match |
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| 13:39.11 | intore | shtrb: I ran sudo apt-cache policy wpasupplicant (I hope this is the correct package name) and I found |
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| 13:39.50 | intore | shtrb: I'm sorry for newline, Installed: 2:2.4-1+deb9u1 |
| 13:40.20 | shtrb | that seem to be the correct one |
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| 13:40.51 | intore | thanks shtrb |
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| 13:46.57 | d0uglas | Hey now everybody. So I just retired an old hard drive, like over a decade old, and with the help of you guys and of dd I moved on over to a fresh fancy SSD, and WOAH DAMN this baby's fast (I thought it already was fast). One concern, I had to reboot with an abrupt power cycle, and when booting it had to do a bunch of inode cleaning. That's a result of my ugly rebooting, right, I shouldn't be worried about the new drive? |
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| 13:47.52 | shtrb | yes |
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| 13:49.50 | d0uglas | thanks shtrb.. follow up, when I cloned the larger ssd from the original (ssd 1tb, original 300 gigs), it layed down the original partition structure (including size and order), so mapped out on the new drive I came up with my swap partition right in the middle. There's no way to relocate that in order to resize my main partition to 900, that's stuck at 300? |
| 13:49.53 | d0uglas | not the end of the world |
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| 13:50.41 | tw | you can probably get away with destroying the swap partition and moving it to the end. |
| 13:50.59 | d0uglas | tw: clever! |
| 13:51.00 | shtrb | d0uglas, you can do that , drop the swap , encrypment the orignial parttion , recreate the swap at the end |
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| 13:51.22 | d0uglas | brilliant guys, thanks |
| 13:51.23 | shtrb | don't know if SSD needs or not need calling sync after the write |
| 13:52.13 | tw | just make sure the swap partition is not active when you do it. |
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| 13:52.27 | d0uglas | well i'd do it off of a live cd unmounted |
| 13:52.32 | tw | Ah, then you're set. |
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| 13:52.52 | tw | Normally I'd recommend a full backup, but you're coming from an old HDD, so you have one. |
| 13:53.16 | d0uglas | exactly, and so I should do it now before I make changes on the ssd and end up having to redo things |
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| 13:53.48 | shtrb | d0uglas , learning from experiance make sure your SSD is backedup - they are sold to be as more reliable but may fail in the most annoying time |
| 13:53.54 | petn-randall | shtrb: 'sync' just tells the kernel to flush any unwritten data from RAM to disk, regardless of storage type. |
| 13:54.25 | shtrb | petn-randall , as told I have no idea if that is needed or not on an SSD. |
| 13:54.52 | d0uglas | shtrb: well presently the ssd backup is the old hard drive, but yes moving forward I'll have another relatively-new ssd backing up the important stuff |
| 13:55.08 | shtrb | I meant , from SSD to a non SSD. |
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| 13:56.29 | d0uglas | I'm an adobe premiere guy, but decided I could get the hang of kdenlive and survive, gonna see how correct I was now. Man it's nice to have a real machine again, and not headless this time but with four screens. That wasn't easy years back, getting multiple screens working with twinview |
| 13:57.25 | d0uglas | now, alt f2 kscreen drag drop apply done. |
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| 13:58.33 | MSDOS | Debian Rules! |
| 13:58.51 | petn-randall | debian/rules |
| 13:59.41 | MSDOS | does debian have rules? |
| 13:59.48 | d0uglas | ... #debian rules, what would debian be without #debian? |
| 14:00.08 | MSDOS | debian would just be the kernal |
| 14:00.35 | d0uglas | i've juiced untold tens of thousands of dollars' worth of support from this channel over the decades, and top shelf dry humor, and not too many kickbans |
| 14:01.02 | gunix | d0uglas: you mean you got free support or you helped others? |
| 14:01.07 | MSDOS | that seems very nice |
| 14:01.12 | d0uglas | I do what I can to pay it back |
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| 14:01.41 | d0uglas | rephrased, this channel is chock full of both kind and uniquely knowledgable folks |
| 14:01.42 | petn-randall | awaits a check of tens of thousands of dollars in the mail soon. ;) |
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| 14:02.45 | MSDOS | so this is the right place to be then |
| 14:02.59 | shtrb | Zimbabuean ? |
| 14:03.21 | MSDOS | me? |
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| 14:03.59 | shtrb | petn |
| 14:04.07 | sphalerite | Can I roll back an apt installation, so that the state of all the packages goes back to what it was before? |
| 14:04.10 | shtrb | and you |
| 14:04.15 | rant | the joke was about Zimbabwe dollars |
| 14:04.35 | rant | sphalerite: yes, by restoring your backup |
| 14:04.37 | petn-randall | shtrb: petn<tab> |
| 14:05.03 | shtrb | nice it works , thanks |
| 14:05.18 | petn-randall | sphalerite: You can simply check what packages you install by looking at /var/log/apt/history.log, and removing those you have installed. |
| 14:05.51 | jelly | sphalerite: there is no intrinsic support for that, no |
| 14:06.32 | sphalerite | eeeeh |
| 14:06.33 | jelly | thus in general the only sure way is to restore the whole system from a previous backup |
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| 14:06.57 | sphalerite | Alright, thanks |
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| 14:11.44 | intore | abrotman: my wpasupplicant version is updated. where could i see the dsa version? |
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| 14:14.43 | jelly | !dsa-3999 |
| 14:14.43 | dpkg | Just update your wpa_supplicant or hostapd. It has been fixed in 2:2.4-1+deb9u1 for stretch, 1:2.3-1+deb8u5 for jessie, and 1:1.0-3+deb7u4 for wheezy. See also https://www.debian.org/security/2017/dsa-3999. See https://www.krackattacks.com/ for details on the attack on WPA2. |
| 14:15.04 | jelly | intore: ^^ |
| 14:16.23 | Lap64 | !flightgear |
| 14:16.23 | dpkg | flightgear is, like, a GPL'ed 3D flight simulator. http://www.flightgear.org/ |
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| 14:19.46 | Megaf | Hi all, I'd like to cut power/disable the USB device 05AC:0236, any idea how to do that? |
| 14:21.11 | intore | thanks jelly, wpasupplicant is updated in my debian stretch at version 2:2.4-1+deb9u1. I would only know where I can see the DSA in my system |
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| 14:23.58 | Utonto | ciao a tutti |
| 14:24.04 | Utonto | !list |
| 14:24.04 | dpkg | utonto: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 14:27.40 | jelly | intore: you don't see the announcement itself, but can read the changelog for any installed package: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 14:29.28 | jonathan_x | Piping into a file, redirecting into it, overwriting the file with >. My program seeks in the file. The seeks are meant to create 0s, but it skips existing data. |
| 14:29.53 | jonathan_x | Is it possible that > does not actually unlink the old file? |
| 14:30.09 | jonathan_x | After removing the files the anomaly was gone. |
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| 14:30.40 | jelly | jonathan_x: correct, > on an existing file just truncates it |
| 14:30.44 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 14:31.31 | jonathan_x | ouch |
| 14:31.44 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, in a script bash, I need at some point to run a new shell (that relies on proot) and then write some commands in this shell. How can I do that ? |
| 14:32.21 | jelly | tobiasBora: do you know all the commands and their order in advance? |
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| 14:32.34 | jelly | also, what is proot. |
| 14:32.42 | tobiasBora | jelly: I'd say yes |
| 14:32.50 | crcrcr | what version of kernel does testing use? |
| 14:32.56 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:32.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 14:32.58 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 14:33.07 | jelly | crcrcr: buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2) |
| 14:33.21 | crcrcr | thanks^^ |
| 14:33.30 | tobiasBora | proot is a tool that help you to create false chroot, by editing in real time the paths |
| 14:33.53 | tobiasBora | and I can run "proot ... bash", that will run a bash in this new "chroot" |
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| 14:34.12 | jelly | tobiasBora: bash can accept a script on stdin, or you can create a script before and run "bash scriptname" |
| 14:34.26 | crcrcr | i'm in stable right now, any reasons why i shouldn't go testing? |
| 14:34.29 | jelly | ,i proot |
| 14:34.30 | judd | Package proot (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: emulate chroot, bind mount and binfmt_misc for non-root users. Version: 5.1.0-1.2; Size: 73.1k; Installed: 2239k; Homepage: http://proot.me; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/proot |
| 14:34.37 | jelly | crcrcr: things will break. |
| 14:35.03 | jelly | also, you won't get any more help from this channel |
| 14:35.11 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 14:35.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:35.18 | jelly | !sid faq |
| 14:35.18 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 14:35.41 | jelly | crcrcr: ^^ maybe go read that faq |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | ah, a kind of fakechroot |
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| 14:37.26 | unkmar | What is the proper way to disable suspend mode? |
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| 14:38.55 | unkmar | upgrading wpasupplicant. May disappear. |
| 14:39.31 | apollo13 | I am seeing some weird artifacts with antialising on visual studio code: https://i.imgur.com/BN5ErUx.png anyone ever run into that? |
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| 14:42.36 | matrix_architect | what a shame |
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| 14:49.45 | jelly | apollo13: I've seen similar artifacts with font rendering in xchat and hexchat from time to time |
| 14:49.56 | apollo13 | jelly: any fix? |
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| 14:50.37 | jelly | mostly they got fixed with newer intel drivers, or if I switched over to a nvidia card |
| 14:51.04 | apollo13 | mhm, fixed it with some fontconfig magic |
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| 14:51.20 | apollo13 | I think, lets see how other apps behave now |
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| 15:48.34 | F764 | hi. whenever I have switched users on my debian 9 OS and want to attach a usb device, it does not get mounted (it just says that the device is busy when i want to open it) |
| 15:48.48 | F764 | what could be the reason for that? it does not happen when I have not yet switche users |
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| 15:50.39 | tw | If I had to guess? First user does not lose their console access because they're not logged out. So it's automounted under the first user. |
| 15:51.08 | F764 | tw: makes sense.. so I should log out instead of switch user, i guess? |
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| 15:51.51 | tw | You'd have to try it. If that is actually what is happening that's annoying behavior. |
| 15:52.48 | F764 | ok, thx tw |
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| 16:13.40 | rakor1 | Hi, starting my Stretch on a thinkpad T61 always shows at startup an error about TPM, but I don't know what that means?! |
| 16:13.56 | Logg | Trusted Platform Module |
| 16:14.01 | Logg | I think it can be disabled in bios |
| 16:14.24 | Logg | to me personally, I think it's a government backdoor anyway |
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| 16:14.27 | jelly | rakor1: which exact error? |
| 16:14.30 | rakor1 | But what about the messages? Do I need this module? |
| 16:15.11 | rakor1 | jelly: I have to reboot to look... cant remember exactly... SOmething about gettin a value |
| 16:15.28 | Logg | dmesg | grep TPM |
| 16:15.50 | rakor1 | [ 1.964252] tpm tpm0: A TPM error (6) occurred attempting to read a pcr value |
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| 16:17.32 | jelly | rakor1: does anything fail to work? |
| 16:17.35 | rakor1 | no |
| 16:17.58 | InSomN1aC | problems with the wiki? |
| 16:18.12 | Logg | I'd honestly just look in bios to disable the TPM. it's not needed. |
| 16:18.35 | Logg | the "trusted" in the name is a dead giveaway you can't trust it |
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| 16:19.19 | rakor1 | ok, so I'll ignore it... |
| 16:19.38 | rakor1 | Another question. Why don't i get bootmessages ob systemstart? |
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| 16:20.28 | rakor1 | I just see the TPM error and later the gdm. But no bootmessages. |
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| 16:21.37 | jelly | they're hidden by default in recent debian releases |
| 16:21.48 | rakor1 | Why that?! |
| 16:22.04 | rakor1 | Thats one advantage of unix-systems |
| 16:22.31 | jelly | rakor1: remove the quiet option from /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* lines, run update-grub, then you'll have old verbosity back |
| 16:22.51 | rakor1 | Thanks! |
| 16:23.11 | shtrb | Logg , some firmware options are now spewing errors when they are not available at boot option |
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| 16:23.22 | shtrb | sorry rakor1 ^ |
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| 16:29.59 | lungaro | can anyone recommend a easy to setup point to point vpn ? |
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| 16:30.19 | lungaro | I want to network a bunch of nodes into a single private network space for convenience |
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| 16:31.43 | Logg | !networking |
| 16:31.43 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 16:31.59 | Logg | not really what I had in mind. there's a #networking channel somewhere |
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| 16:48.21 | Vladik | hi |
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| 16:57.45 | manb | hi |
| 16:58.11 | manb | i just uninstalled ecryptfs after copying my data out of my home partition. i deleted the /home/.ecryptfs folder |
| 16:58.30 | manb | when i reboot, it tries to fsck the home partition. any idea why and how to stop it? |
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| 16:58.57 | manb | i already uninstalled using "apt-get remove ecryptfs-utils libecryptfs0" |
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| 17:00.46 | manb | ecryptfs partition doesnt even show up in fstab |
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| 17:01.50 | InSomN1aC | https://imgur.com/a/vbjG8 |
| 17:02.35 | InSomN1aC | anyone having problems accessing the wiki? |
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| 17:04.25 | crcrcr | mm |
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| 17:04.51 | Megaf | InSomN1aC, works here |
| 17:04.57 | Fludixx | The wiki is working |
| 17:05.01 | Megaf | try chrome(ium) |
| 17:05.22 | Fludixx | Try restarting your network |
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| 17:08.10 | Megaf | eldebrim1, ping |
| 17:08.17 | abff | I'm gonna bet your client certificate isn't working |
| 17:08.30 | manb | abff: u talking to me? |
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| 17:08.48 | abff | InSomN1aC |
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| 17:09.45 | Fludixx | @manb I dont really get your Problem are you trying to uninstall ecryptfs? |
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| 17:11.32 | InSomN1aC | abff well i have update everything |
| 17:11.43 | InSomN1aC | but i'll check on the cert |
| 17:12.09 | Fludixx | InSomN1aC are you trying to change Grub background? |
| 17:12.35 | InSomN1aC | Fludixx, was just doing some readings |
| 17:12.41 | Megaf | InSomN1aC, maybe just install ca-certificates |
| 17:12.56 | InSomN1aC | i don't see a point into restarting the network |
| 17:13.12 | Megaf | because HTTPS thing I suggest trying other browser |
| 17:13.22 | InSomN1aC | Megaf, looking into it |
| 17:13.23 | abff | InSomN1aC I would say delete the certificate for debian.org in Mozilla > about:preferences#advanced |
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| 17:13.31 | abff | restart firefox and try again |
| 17:15.05 | abff | or if that doesn't exist, do what Megaf said cause he seems to know ;) |
| 17:15.18 | Fludixx | Maybe wiki.debian.org dosent has an index file |
| 17:15.26 | InSomN1aC | abff, it does not exist in there the cert |
| 17:15.30 | manb | looks like ecryptfs-kthread is still running |
| 17:15.36 | manb | anything else i need to uninstall? |
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| 17:16.08 | Fludixx | manb try sudo apt remove *ecryptfs* |
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| 17:16.28 | InSomN1aC | ca-certificates is already the newest version (20161130+nmu1). |
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| 17:17.51 | Fludixx | InSomN1aC is: https://wiki.debian.org/StartPage working for you? |
| 17:17.57 | manb | Fludixx: it couldnt find anything |
| 17:18.03 | manb | no packages match |
| 17:18.09 | InSomN1aC | Fludixx, no |
| 17:18.16 | InSomN1aC | same error |
| 17:18.32 | manb | and i catted /proc/PID_OF_ECRYPTFS-KTHREAD/cmdline, but its empty |
| 17:18.55 | Fludixx | InSomN1aC Try using tor browser maybe its your IP? |
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| 17:18.57 | InSomN1aC | main website works just fine |
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| 17:20.09 | InSomN1aC | hmm this is strange, i can't open it even from mobile |
| 17:20.18 | Fludixx | manb try Killing the process |
| 17:20.31 | manb | how is that gonna help? |
| 17:20.35 | manb | it will run at next reboot |
| 17:20.39 | manb | i need to uninstall it |
| 17:20.48 | Fludixx | manb what desktop are you using |
| 17:21.20 | manb | kde |
| 17:22.38 | Fludixx | manb Try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/128583/how-can-i-completely-remove-ecryptfs-from-my-system-and-delete-private |
| 17:22.53 | InSomN1aC | Fludixx, do you know if there is any ban on IPs from specific places/providers for the wiki? |
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| 17:23.21 | OS-32355 | !10.11.1.7 |
| 17:23.21 | dpkg | 10.11 |
| 17:23.43 | OS-32355 | !host 10.11.1.7 |
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| 17:25.05 | Fludixx | InSomN1aC whats the output of curl -I https://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 17:26.05 | InSomN1aC | command not found |
| 17:26.21 | Fludixx | try sudo apt install curl and than run again |
| 17:27.28 | InSomN1aC | https://justpaste.it/1cog5 |
| 17:28.35 | Megaf | you are banned from the wiki |
| 17:28.38 | Megaf | for some reason |
| 17:28.52 | Megaf | maybe try a different IP... |
| 17:29.36 | InSomN1aC | hmmm, anyone that might have an answer as to why would my IP be banned from the wiki? |
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| 17:30.40 | InSomN1aC | Megaf, i don't see a reason why i should go and use a different IP just to get to the wiki having not done anything myself to get banned |
| 17:31.07 | netcat | if it's a shared ip, someone else may have been banned |
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| 17:31.22 | Fludixx | Maybe this is just an error |
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| 17:31.37 | InSomN1aC | not a shared IP, my home internet |
| 17:31.49 | OS-32355 | !10.11.1.5 |
| 17:31.49 | dpkg | 10.11 |
| 17:32.17 | InSomN1aC | Fludixx, who would know exactly about why this is happening? |
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| 17:33.00 | manb | does anyone know where i can get help with ecryptfs? |
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| 17:33.30 | Fludixx | Yesterday i got the same error on debian wiki afer some minutes i reloaded the page and it worked fine |
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| 17:50.53 | preyalone | Is there a .deb package or something to easily install gcc targeting uClibc in Debian? |
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| 18:02.45 | dtux | just sanity-checking: linux security doesnt protect data, it's just for security around convincing the kernel to do stuff right? (i.e. without encryption, i can still see an ext4 filesystem and ignore all the perms - kinda like a flash drive) |
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| 18:06.08 | jhutchins | dtux: You appear to be under the impression that "linux security" is a specific thing rather than a vague general concept. |
| 18:06.42 | jhutchins | dtux: As root, you have access to the entire filesystem. |
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| 18:08.39 | dtux | eh, ya... i mean the measures for restricting users from violating fs perms. im not assuming an outsider would have root, but they would have the unencrypted disk... that's effectively root, though, right? |
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| 18:30.05 | cyphix | Hi. On a fresh debian installation, I every windows partitions (ntfs/fat32) are systematically mounted in read-only. Is there a configuration option I missed somewhere? To what groups should my main (and only) user belong to succeed in writing to these disks? |
| 18:31.10 | Benefit | delete f-------- everything |
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| 18:32.16 | rozie | cyphix: there should be some message. probably they are not marked as cleanly unmounted, but I don't remember the details |
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| 18:32.49 | rozie | check syslog and dmesg |
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| 18:34.14 | lungaro | anyone know where to go for openvpn ? |
| 18:34.29 | cyphix | rozie: dmesg doesn't indicate a problem. Even on a freshly formatted usb disk, it gets mounted in read only |
| 18:35.57 | rozie | how do you mount them? manually? |
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| 18:36.05 | cyphix | rozie: no, automatically |
| 18:36.39 | cyphix | I tried to mount them manually with 'mount -o umask=0 ...', it didn't work. |
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| 18:36.49 | at0m | ,v moodbar |
| 18:36.50 | judd | Package: moodbar on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.1.2-3; jessie: 0.1.2-6 |
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| 18:38.31 | cyphix | actually, the given command now works... |
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| 18:39.09 | cyphix | but always mounting disks manually is not an option |
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| 18:39.54 | rozie | please provide mount command output for automatically mounted disk |
| 18:40.13 | rozie | can it be so, that disk is rw and your user just don't have rights? |
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| 18:40.33 | rozie | also check if you can write on disk when you are root |
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| 18:43.03 | shtrb | cyphix , did you boot the ntfs with windows or had a restart ? (dirty bit ) |
| 18:43.24 | shtrb | *had a restart / hard disconnect while ntfs was loaded |
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| 18:55.54 | zied | Hello here, anyone faced a problem with lxc containers accessing to internet after some upgrades ? thanks !! |
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| 18:57.09 | manb | i want to run a script only if a certain grub entry is booted. how can i do this? |
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| 19:04.06 | ChmEarl | manb submit feature request to grub-devel ML |
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| 19:04.23 | manb | is there no way to do this currently? |
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| 19:08.46 | ChmEarl | manb, if you've drafted a method, submit your idean to same ML |
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| 19:09.23 | netcat | manb, if you append a string to the grub commandline, you can check for it in /proc/cmdline |
| 19:09.34 | manb | netcat: yea i did that |
| 19:09.42 | manb | and i can see it in /proc/cmdline |
| 19:10.13 | manb | i added the following to grub line: toRun=/root/bootScript |
| 19:10.38 | manb | netcat: so clearly its showing up to Linux kernel |
| 19:10.43 | manb | but its not running my script |
| 19:11.38 | netcat | just have your script run every time and exit if a certain string isn't there |
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| 19:13.19 | netcat | the string can be anything you want... 'rumplestiltskin' or somethin |
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| 19:15.24 | manb | netcat: so ur saying add it to the rc.d scripts and look for a certain string in kernel cmdline? |
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| 19:17.47 | netcat | sounds like it would work |
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| 19:25.05 | netcat | you could even have an rc.d script that runs any of several others, dependibg on what it finds on cmdline... script1, script2 |
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| 19:37.07 | netcat | just edit the cmdline manually when grub runs, and have your rc.d script run whatever you add (or nothing)... one size fits all |
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| 20:04.39 | zorgan | hi everyone |
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| 20:05.35 | zorgan | anyone knows why my mouse would only send button 4/5 through the scroll wheel when I'm pressing shift? Otherwise it sends keyboard up/down cursor events... |
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| 20:07.26 | annadane | zorgan, which de/wm |
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| 20:08.26 | zorgan | icewm |
| 20:09.01 | zorgan | although I am running all desktop agnostic XDG autostart applications |
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| 20:09.27 | zorgan | ok... |
| 20:09.31 | zorgan | now I feel dumb |
| 20:09.41 | zorgan | here's a xbindkeys process running :$ |
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| 20:09.47 | Benefit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GLSkbAboA |
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| 20:11.02 | qaz1 | netcat: u there? |
| 20:11.13 | zorgan | (xbindkey '(b:5) "xte 'key Down'") |
| 20:11.13 | zorgan | (xbindkey '(b:4) "xte 'key Up'") |
| 20:11.18 | zorgan | here we go |
| 20:11.32 | zorgan | thanks @annadane |
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| 20:25.44 | bari | Hello, after one of apt upgrade in last month, thumbs of images/videos are not generated in nautilus. Only fail (.cache/thumbnail/fail/...) thumbs are created. I have tried to create new system account, but the behavior is the same. It is something with missing or corrupted pkg... but which one? :D |
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| 20:34.39 | hoijui | i have a file deps.txt, with apt package names, one per line |
| 20:34.51 | hoijui | is there a simple way to isntall them using apt/apt-get without scriptery? |
| 20:35.45 | hoijui | like: apt-get install --from-file deps.txt |
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| 20:59.01 | juon | Hi Guys |
| 20:59.27 | juon | I1m have a trouble using the GDebi, look, I cant insert my password in this monitor. |
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| 21:01.08 | juon | https://imgur.com/Rw3XYaZ |
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| 21:06.32 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 21:06.35 | candidat1 | hello, help |
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| 21:07.04 | towo` | candidat1, with what? |
| 21:07.07 | candidat1 | i forgot my debian password. how can i reset it ? |
| 21:07.46 | atrapado_ | candidat1, normal user one, or root one ? |
| 21:07.58 | candidat1 | root and normal user |
| 21:08.07 | qaz1 | what does ^ doe in sed regex? |
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| 21:09.06 | atrapado_ | candidat1, maybe booting from a live cd and modifying /etc/shadow |
| 21:09.18 | n4dir | qaz1: ^ sometimes means beginning of line, but i got no clue if that is valid for sed |
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| 21:11.02 | tobiasBora | I'd like to build a tool that can install, on the user side (not root) some advanced packaged. But because I want to have a script that can run on any minimalist os (that may not even have gcc), it's quite hard to manually install everything correctly. Do you know a script that can install a decent compilation toolkit ? (like make, a recent gcc...) |
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| 21:17.18 | qaz1 | how can i use sed in a bash script to conditionally do something if a substring is present in a string? |
| 21:17.53 | qaz1 | basically, im trynna look for a certain string in the grub boot args (/proc/cmdline) and if i find it, run a script |
| 21:17.58 | tremon | tobiasBora: https://nixos.org/nix/ |
| 21:18.09 | qaz1 | im looking here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65207/running-a-script-as-grub-boot-option |
| 21:18.27 | qaz1 | but i dont know how to make it go into an if statemetn in rc.local |
| 21:18.29 | tremon | qaz1: why do you want to use sed for that? sed is an editor |
| 21:18.43 | qaz1 | stackexchange said so :) |
| 21:18.49 | qaz1 | how else can i do this? |
| 21:19.05 | tremon | use grep -q |
| 21:19.20 | tobiasBora | tremon: Ahahah it's very funny, because I'm trying to do that exactly to install nix as a non-root user. And to do that, I need to compile nix from scratch. And that's why I need the tools like make, gcc... |
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| 21:19.55 | qaz1 | tremon: thats clever |
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| 21:20.19 | qaz1 | and rc.local is the correct place to do this? |
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| 21:21.03 | tremon | it used to be, but I'm not sure rc.local is still supported by systemd |
| 21:21.21 | qaz1 | how should i do this? |
| 21:21.28 | tremon | I don't know its systemd replacement, though |
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| 21:22.56 | tremon | tobiasBora: I thought nix didn't need root rights for initial installation? |
| 21:22.56 | qaz1 | on debian is says in the rc.local file that this is the place to run scripts |
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| 21:23.29 | tremon | qaz1: just try it then :) |
| 21:23.30 | juon | Anybody here use unattended scripts ? |
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| 21:24.06 | candidat1 | :) |
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| 21:24.29 | tremon | it would be more surprising if anybody were using attended scripts |
| 21:24.37 | tobiasBora | tremon: it needs a /nix folder... And if you don't have this folder, then it's difficult to install it. I tried to use proot, and it works, but it's quite buggy, very slow, and I can't manage to compile nix from proot because of these strange bugs... |
| 21:25.05 | juon | tremon, do you use ? |
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| 21:25.11 | tremon | !ask |
| 21:25.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:25.50 | juon | Ok, |
| 21:26.58 | juon | I'm runinning Debian version Testing. Whe I try run the unattended, I cant make its start, but I dont know configurate it, I woul like the my system auto-update |
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| 21:28.06 | juon | If anybody have a unatendd scripts where, shooud help me to configurate my scripts.... |
| 21:28.18 | juon | So, thank you so much for your atention. |
| 21:29.32 | juon | show me your cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
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| 21:30.59 | tremon | tobiasBora: have you asked on #nixos for pointers on running nix as non-root? debian is maybe the wrong platform to target, as it assumes all packages are centrally-managed |
| 21:31.57 | tremon | juon: I have never gotten unattended-upgrades to work either. I use cron-apt instead |
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| 21:32.33 | tobiasBora | tremon: yes, but I was not very successful, they didn't understood my bug either, and they use another tool, but that require something that is disabled on debian I think. So the only solution seems to build it from scratch... |
| 21:33.33 | juon | tremon, I understant, thank you for you atention, |
| 21:34.05 | tremon | juon: just hang around (or ask again tomorrow), there's 1700+ people in this channel, so someone will probably have a answer |
| 21:34.45 | juon | yes, I do it, thank so much |
| 21:34.48 | juon | tremon, |
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| 22:05.03 | qaz1 | how can i enable /etc/rc.local? |
| 22:05.08 | qaz1 | i dont think its execuiting |
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| 22:13.55 | tobiasBora | Does anyone knows a way to do the same thing as the bash "init-file", but using sh ? |
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| 22:15.31 | tobiasBora | (I'd like to run an interactive bash, but print some text on it) |
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| 22:18.03 | n4dir | to me it isn't clear what you mean: what is the "init-file" and what do you mean with sh, a posix shell? |
| 22:18.09 | rotaticus | tobiasBora: are you talking about .bashrc ... for sh it's .profile iirc |
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| 22:25.38 | tobiasBora | rotaticus: n4dir : I'd like to run a single sh shell (it can be the sh program of debian, but also the sh of alpine linux... any sh implementation if possible) such that the first action of this shell is to run a command like ". ~/myscript", and then give back the input to the user without closing itself |
| 22:25.58 | tobiasBora | bash provides --input-file that can be somehow turn to do the same thing, |
| 22:26.20 | tobiasBora | and I'd like o know it it's possible to use on any shell "sh" a similar method |
| 22:26.41 | n4dir | if i am not wrong in debian sh is a symlink to dash |
| 22:27.13 | n4dir | but i think rotaticus is right, i would use the .profile file in home |
| 22:27.24 | n4dir | wait. not so sure anymore |
| 22:27.49 | tremon | it's /etc/profile for system-wide init |
| 22:27.55 | tobiasBora | n4dir: the problem of the .profile also is that it will be run every time I open sh, while me I'd like to do that only once |
| 22:28.04 | n4dir | isn't profile only read during login? |
| 22:28.27 | tremon | not sure if dash obeys that file, because it's not intended to be used as an interactive shell |
| 22:28.41 | n4dir | what does myscript is supposed to do? |
| 22:29.44 | n4dir | mywiki.wooledge.org might have an explanation what file gets read when, but perhaps not for all shells. |
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| 22:31.03 | zlg | Which group within Debian would be the one to talk to about the inclusion of elliptic curve code? My guess is Policy or the Tech Committee. We at Gentoo are investigating whether or not to include this in our release media and are looking for input from other distros. |
| 22:31.41 | dax | zlg: because of patent issues, or...? |
| 22:31.44 | zlg | yes |
| 22:32.02 | dax | the debian-legal@ mailing list would be the usual starting point |
| 22:32.10 | zlg | okay, great. Thanks! |
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| 22:34.53 | n4dir | tobiasBora: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles?highlight=%28bashrc%29 |
| 22:37.16 | tobiasBora | n4dir: this is interesting, but here I think that they want to use an init file that will be used by default on all sh instances, while here I want to use it only on one instance. I could do a dirty think like moving the existing .profile, add my text, and then in a parallel thread move it back, but it seem really ugly... |
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| 22:39.09 | n4dir | i don't think it is what they want to do, but the way that it is. |
| 22:40.07 | n4dir | i think what you do is called a xy problem. You describe your possible solution, but it would be more helpful if you told us what myscript is supposed to do |
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| 22:47.01 | tobiasBora | n4dir: ok, well myscript is supposed to launch a shell that runs inside proot, and for convenient reason, I need to load into some environment variables |
| 22:48.42 | tobiasBora | with a shell bash, for now I do "proot -b ... bash --init-file <(echo ". ./myinitfile")" |
| 22:49.17 | tobiasBora | that way, myinitfile is run only when I load proot |
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| 22:50.10 | n4dir | that makes it much clearer. But i sure got no idea how to do that. |
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| 22:51.23 | n4dir | well: i guess i would set the environment variables rather in the chroot, not when launchign it. |
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| 22:51.53 | tobiasBora | what do you mean ? |
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| 22:52.09 | tobiasBora | proot is not a real chroot program |
| 22:52.24 | n4dir | edit the profile or bashrc file inside the proot / chroot environment. |
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| 22:55.42 | tobiasBora | Hum... When you run proof with "proof -b /home/me/nix:/nix bash", it converts all /nix/... in /home/me/nix, but I don't think that if I ask /home/me/.profile he will redirect to /home/me/nix/home/leo/.profile no ? |
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| 22:59.37 | candidat1 | hi i try to reset my root password with this method: https://www.blackmoreops.com/2014/12/08/reset-root-password-in-linux/ |
| 22:59.50 | candidat1 | where do you put the init=/bin/bash |
| 22:59.52 | candidat1 | ? |
| 23:01.25 | n4dir | candidat1: the headline says it, during the grub-menu |
| 23:01.34 | n4dir | clear now? |
| 23:01.36 | candidat1 | press e yes i did |
| 23:01.59 | candidat1 | but where do i add init=/bin/bash ?? |
| 23:02.35 | n4dir | the how-to says to use the "End" key to go to the end of the line, and add it just ther. |
| 23:02.52 | candidat1 | anywhere ???? |
| 23:03.06 | n4dir | at the end of the line. at least that's how i understand it. |
| 23:03.16 | candidat1 | there are a few lines ... |
| 23:03.28 | n4dir | will be only for that boot anyway, so it seems a safe operation |
| 23:03.39 | n4dir | it says on the kernel line |
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| 23:07.36 | candidat1 | there is no kernel line |
| 23:07.45 | candidat1 | inmod |
| 23:07.55 | candidat1 | set root= hdo , msdos1 |
| 23:08.00 | candidat1 | ??? |
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| 23:09.39 | n4dir | i am not sure. either the line which starts with "linux" or the one which starts with "initrd". My guess would be the "initrd" |
| 23:10.07 | candidat1 | ok |
| 23:10.45 | Tsutsukakushi | put it at the end of the linux line |
| 23:10.46 | n4dir | i usually use the chroot solution. gotta say that i am rather lousy with the grub prompt. If in doubt ask agan |
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| 23:11.13 | candidat1 | and then ctrl x ? |
| 23:11.54 | Tsutsukakushi | it should have instructions for booting at the bottom of the screen |
| 23:11.55 | Tsutsukakushi | or the top |
| 23:13.10 | candidat1 | oh it seems to boot or am i wrong ... |
| 23:13.26 | candidat1 | :) |
| 23:13.43 | Tsutsukakushi | i rarely edit the entries, just use the commandline |
| 23:14.09 | Tsutsukakushi | so i don't remember what the edit mode commands are for booting etc. |
| 23:14.29 | n4dir | Tsutsukakushi: the how to he linked to said to use "b", but i would not know |
| 23:14.54 | Tsutsukakushi | every edit mode i've seen has the instructions right on the screen |
| 23:14.59 | n4dir | yup. |
| 23:15.13 | Tsutsukakushi | so i dunno why you would go with the how to in that case :p |
| 23:15.21 | Tsutsukakushi | just go with what grub itself tells you |
| 23:16.15 | candidat1 | f10 did the job |
| 23:16.28 | candidat1 | it started the live dvd |
| 23:16.44 | Tsutsukakushi | kwl |
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| 23:17.05 | candidat1 | still loading |
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| 23:19.20 | rotaticus | dvd will only help if your chroot n do stuff there |
| 23:20.11 | n4dir | and editing the grub-line won't be of any use for that. slightly confused. |
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| 23:21.11 | rotaticus | it will ... it enables via init=/bin/bash a passwordless login as root ... which allows passwd to be run |
| 23:21.22 | n4dir | yes, but not for the liveDVD |
| 23:21.34 | rotaticus | ok right |
| 23:21.54 | candidat1 | i have my http server on it :) |
| 23:22.05 | candidat1 | still loading the live cd |
| 23:22.07 | candidat1 | lol |
| 23:22.09 | n4dir | once he booted the liveDVD anyway i would go for chroot |
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| 23:24.31 | rotaticus | you'd need the grub line edit from the hdd for that init line ... not the dvd |
| 23:28.55 | candidat1 | i think the cd is loading nothing up |
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