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| 00:04.34 | anonnumberanon | what DE does the netlist ISO come with if any? |
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| 00:07.43 | mnuhmnuh | netlist? |
| 00:07.53 | mnuhmnuh | netinst? |
| 00:08.11 | mnuhmnuh | network installer? |
| 00:08.14 | anonnumberanon | yes, netinst |
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| 00:09.21 | mnuhmnuh | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall?action=show&redirect=NetInst # ?!? :-) |
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| 00:11.41 | mnuhmnuh | sorry, no that doesn't help. |
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| 00:16.57 | mnuhmnuh | anonnumberanon: might i ask why it matters? |
| 00:17.45 | mnuhmnuh | apt-get install $meh && $etc. |
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| 00:19.24 | noobly | what on earth is this https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf |
| 00:21.06 | mnuhmnuh | exactly what i was just complaining about i think. |
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| 00:22.48 | mnuhmnuh | ... which looks ugly. i learned to live w the new way. |
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| 00:27.16 | anonnumberanon | mnuhmnuh, just forgot everything about how i did it last time, all i want is to have a aptitude and wifi |
| 00:27.22 | anonnumberanon | then i can do what i want |
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| 00:34.40 | anonnumberanon | mnuhmnuh, |
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| 01:25.17 | DebianDragon | Hi there, trying to partition my HD from a liveCD and everything's going sideways. gparted is showing the new attempted resizes, but fdisk -lu is showing the old partitions, and gparted is telling me that it's unable to detect filesystem... |
| 01:25.58 | DebianDragon | not sure where to go from here - I want to resize my HDD to be able to boot my original linux on it, but have some more room for other partitions |
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| 01:33.48 | DebianDragon | anyone feel like helping with the partitions thing? |
| 01:34.52 | anonnumberanon | how do i include iwlwifi (for my wifi adapter) onto my usb installlation media? |
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| 01:36.06 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: get the package online, put it in something like /lib/firmware? google it, but it's doable for sure |
| 01:36.29 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: also if you need to mount your USB as a CDROM that's out there in a forum post from like 2007, you may hit that point too |
| 01:36.35 | anonnumberanon | that was exactly my train of thought, following this right now https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/249972/how-do-i-install-non-free-firmware-wifi-driver-from-usb-debian |
| 01:37.35 | DebianDragon | I ran into both those issues when I was installing a few weeks ago |
| 01:39.36 | anonnumberanon | this should be it? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stretch/current/ |
| 01:41.15 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: the one I used was different, just the filename that it says that it's looking for. |
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| 01:52.48 | anonnumberanon | that method i linked worked |
| 01:52.59 | anonnumberanon | apparently wifi is connected |
| 01:53.16 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: nice man :) |
| 01:53.23 | anonnumberanon | heh |
| 01:54.24 | anonnumberanon | an extended partition is primary or logical? forgot |
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| 02:00.53 | DebianDragon | if anyone knows how to shrink a partition without losing the data that's on it that would be awesome! ;) |
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| 02:01.04 | DebianDragon | It's quite the pain in the ass... |
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| 02:02.09 | ryouma | many people know (not me) but do you have a spare you can just copy and copy back? |
| 02:02.24 | zer0x | what are the errors when you install debian using unetbootin? I used it and had none although I saw the warning of the installer. |
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| 02:03.13 | annadane | !unetbootin |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 02:03.25 | annadane | i guess the consensus is "various problems depending" |
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| 02:04.04 | annadane | it's possible you have smaller, more subtle problems with your debian install that you haven't noticed yet, i'd probably just reinstall it using win32diskimager to copy the iso if you're on windows |
| 02:04.16 | anonnumberanon | DebianDragon, make a backup and change its size in GParted maybe |
| 02:05.31 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: gparted doesn't recognize the filesystem anymore, I pooched it pretty hard, but all the data is still there. I just don't know how to recover it. I got parted going and it's doing a data rescue ... hopefully that will work |
| 02:05.45 | ryouma | that is a totally different q |
| 02:05.49 | DebianDragon | but then I'll still be back to where I am now - namely trying to shrink the huge partition :) |
| 02:05.52 | anonnumberanon | was it windows or linuxc |
| 02:05.59 | zer0x | annadane: yeah so far I haven't had any problems |
| 02:06.02 | DebianDragon | it was linux |
| 02:06.11 | anonnumberanon | how did you break it? |
| 02:06.18 | ryouma | you're gonna shrink a corrupted partition? find out the problem first. |
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| 02:06.52 | ryouma | parted does data rescue? til. |
| 02:07.30 | DebianDragon | hopefully :) |
| 02:08.08 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: broke... unmounted it, went into resize2fs |
| 02:08.25 | anonnumberanon | oh, i don't know |
| 02:08.31 | DebianDragon | yeah no worries man |
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| 02:13.23 | anonnumberanon | all i know is time is precious, don't waste too much of it |
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| 02:16.28 | ryouma | wise |
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| 02:17.44 | DebianDragon | anonnumberanon: ty |
| 02:17.52 | DebianDragon | night :) |
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| 02:21.12 | ryouma | does it matter whether you use logical or physical partitions? for cleanliness i make one physical and the rest logical. |
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| 02:27.59 | cheapie | ryouma: MBR partition tables? What is this, DOS? :P |
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| 02:29.00 | cheapie | (FWIW, on OSes that need MBR, I usually go with all primary unless I need >3 partitions, then 3 primary + 1 extended with however many logical I need) |
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| 02:30.01 | ryouma | is that more robust? |
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| 02:30.49 | cheapie | Probably doesn't matter. It's more of an "OCD" sort of thing, kind of like how I /have/ to have the order in the partition table match the order on disk :P |
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| 02:31.57 | cheapie | However, you really should be using GPT by now, /especially/ if you only need to access the disk from Linux. |
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| 05:12.44 | darxmurf | any idea of why some folders are not listed when I mount a windows 10 share on my debian stable using -o vers=3.0 ? http://paste.debian.net/992708/ |
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| 05:27.39 | Megaf | folks, how stable would you stay Buster is not for production |
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| 07:17.00 | prathibha | How does debian continuous build and integration process work? |
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| 08:35.08 | rendar | does debian testing support NVMe over m.2? |
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| 08:57.07 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 08:57.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 08:57.10 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 08:57.42 | Iridos | rendar, that should only depend on the kernel supporting it… |
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| 08:58.36 | jelly | best ask in |
| 08:58.38 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:58.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:59.30 | rendar | The Linux NVMe driver is natively included in the kernel since version 3.3. NVMe devices should show up under /dev/nvme*. |
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| 09:00.03 | rendar | so with debian testing, i have just to boot my workstation, and the install can install automtcally debian on a nvme driver, right? |
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| 09:02.49 | bazhang | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) rendar for support |
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| 09:03.27 | rendar | oh, thanks |
| 09:03.29 | rendar | sorry |
| 09:03.46 | rendar | #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 09:03.48 | bazhang | np |
| 09:03.49 | rendar | uhm... |
| 09:03.56 | bazhang | not this irc |
| 09:04.10 | rendar | oh sorry again |
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| 09:09.42 | bug_ | alive ? |
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| 09:09.57 | bazhang | sure |
| 09:09.58 | bug_ | welcome |
| 09:10.24 | bug_ | just , first time here. Really excited |
| 09:10.43 | bazhang | for debian support, or chit chat |
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| 09:11.40 | bug_ | im a debian 9 user, so aim to be here for debian , just wanted to say hi. |
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| 09:13.48 | bug_ | i use toshiba satellite a500 and the led of multimedia touch panel does not work. |
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| 09:16.35 | trolibam | Hi! What's the recommanded notification system for debian stretch if I want to display notifications from the command line? I used to use notify-send, not sure it's the recommanded one though |
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| 09:28.05 | hellyeah | !dpkg whatsie |
| 09:28.39 | hellyeah | i am following that tutorial |
| 09:28.45 | hellyeah | there is no whatsie package |
| 09:28.59 | hellyeah | well what is the debian package for whatsup |
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| 09:29.38 | darxmurf | Is there any mount.cifs option to force the full listing of folders and files of a mounted windows share ? |
| 09:29.47 | darxmurf | using smb2 or smb3 |
| 09:30.03 | bazhang | ,v whatsie |
| 09:30.04 | judd | No package named 'whatsie' was found in amd64. |
| 09:30.28 | qzio__ | Hi, I'm getting a seccomp prevented execution of syscall 0000000041 error when I try apt-get update. Is this a known problem? |
| 09:30.33 | bug_ | whatsie in on github |
| 09:30.34 | darxmurf | ,cifs-utils |
| 09:30.39 | darxmurf | ,v cifs-utils |
| 09:30.40 | judd | Package: cifs-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:5.5-1; jessie: 2:6.4-1; buster: 2:6.7-1; sid: 2:6.7-1; stretch: 2:6.7-1 |
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| 09:31.04 | bug_ | here is whatsie : https://github.com/gsantner/whatsie |
| 09:31.11 | bug_ | if you wanna use. |
| 09:31.53 | darxmurf | what's the point to use a desktop client instead of a web broswer ? |
| 09:32.05 | darxmurf | a/sw/ws/ |
| 09:32.09 | darxmurf | s/sw/ws/ |
| 09:32.12 | darxmurf | sorry :x |
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| 09:32.24 | Iridos | maybe that it doesn't fuck around with your selection buffer |
| 09:32.30 | bug_ | i dont mind it, he wanted to use the desktop. |
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| 09:34.36 | Iridos | hellyeah, there is no debian package… not every piece of software in the universe automatically has a debian package… someone has to package the software |
| 09:34.45 | Iridos | and this is even already discontinued |
| 09:35.05 | hellyeah | there is whatsie package for whats up |
| 09:35.18 | Iridos | darxmurf, what do you mean, "force the full listing" |
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| 09:36.02 | Iridos | qzio__, is that debian sid or so? |
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| 09:40.47 | qzio__ | Iridos: sid.. I've asked in #debian-next as well but no-one seems to be awake in there. |
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| 09:42.56 | Iridos | well, be patient :) Also check bugs.debian.org in the meantime |
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| 09:47.37 | Iridos | that should probably be bugs.debian.org/apt … or possibly libapt… check the bugs on the source package, too |
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| 09:51.35 | kallenp | Hallo. Please, can I ask for a help, how can I monitor all cron jobs and cron processes runnig more than 1 hour ? |
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| 09:54.14 | hellyeah | in any case https://github.com/HideID1337/Whatsie |
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| 10:05.11 | christeI | hail hitler |
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| 10:09.11 | ZSky | Hi |
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| 10:09.18 | bazhang | hi |
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| 10:09.30 | JustASlacker | kallenp: those processes should be visible in top and ps |
| 10:09.43 | ZSky | I'm looking for a cheap VPS to put my Debian, some of them have IPV4: NONE, IPV4: NAT, or IPV4: 1 http://lowendstock.com/ |
| 10:09.53 | ZSky | what's the diff between IPV4: NAT and IPV4: 1 ? |
| 10:10.14 | JustASlacker | I guess NAT means you share your IP4 address with others |
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| 10:11.15 | ZSky | JustASlacker so this means you won't have port 80 access on the IP? |
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| 10:11.49 | petn-randall | ZSky: Likely, but you'll have to ask the provider for details. |
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| 10:13.12 | ZSky | petn-randall: these 6e per year VPS providers usually have no support at all ;) If I can install a debian and apache on port 80 that's good |
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| 10:15.11 | JustASlacker | ZSky: it means inbound connections to your apache wont work |
| 10:15.19 | JustASlacker | do you get ipv6 with that? |
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| 10:16.27 | petn-randall | ZSky: I see, I'd rather avoid them then. But just FYI, we can't tell you what that means since we're not running that provider. |
| 10:16.33 | kallenp1 | JustASlacker: ok and thanks. please, howto monitor it automatically ? |
| 10:17.28 | ZSky | petn-randall: I avoid them for my main server. But I just need another sandbox machine |
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| 10:18.08 | JustASlacker | kallenp1: did you google that? |
| 10:18.35 | petn-randall | ZSky: Why not just boot up a VM on your desktop? I'm sure you have 64 MB RAM to spare, which is the size of those VMs you're trying to buy. |
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| 10:19.14 | kallenp1 | JustASlacker: yes. but not found any completed solution for me |
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| 10:19.36 | JustASlacker | shrugs |
| 10:19.55 | JustASlacker | you could have a bash script that runs periodically and monitors your jobs |
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| 10:20.47 | JustASlacker | https://serverfault.com/questions/257345/can-i-limit-the-runtime-of-a-cronjob |
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| 10:21.44 | [sr] | hi |
| 10:21.49 | [sr] | what am i missing here? |
| 10:21.55 | [sr] | 0% [Working]E: could not load seccomp policy: Invalid argument - HttpMethod::Configuration (22: Invalid argument) |
| 10:22.01 | [sr] | anyone has a clue? |
| 10:22.05 | petn-randall | !context |
| 10:22.05 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 10:22.06 | [sr] | dont find anything on dr google |
| 10:22.14 | [sr] | ah sorry |
| 10:22.17 | [sr] | using apt-get install |
| 10:22.20 | [sr] | to install packages! |
| 10:22.32 | petn-randall | [sr]: On stable? |
| 10:22.37 | babilen | guesses not |
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| 10:22.50 | [sr] | sid |
| 10:22.56 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 10:22.56 | [sr] | i messed it |
| 10:22.56 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:23.06 | [sr] | removed initramfs tools |
| 10:23.15 | petn-randall | [sr]: Check out the channel above. Another user seems to have the same problem over there. |
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| 10:24.22 | Megaf | [sr], so install it again? |
| 10:24.53 | Megaf | apt instal --reinstall linux-image-amd64 initramfs tools |
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| 10:26.02 | [sr] | Megaf: i have my own kernels, dont want distro kernels! everything else is from the distro/binaries |
| 10:26.08 | [sr] | petn-randall: i'll thanks! |
| 10:26.36 | Megaf | [sr], ah, I just told you to install because it might install some deps that you messed up with it |
| 10:26.36 | [sr] | petn-randall: how can i be invited? |
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| 10:27.00 | Megaf | [sr], ignore that, just keep asking here |
| 10:27.02 | babilen | [sr]: The channel is, with all other official Debian channels, on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 10:27.04 | [sr] | Megaf: well it's wierd, the only thing that was removed was initramfs-tools |
| 10:27.13 | babilen | Megaf: Ignore what exactly? |
| 10:27.26 | Megaf | [sr], so again, what happens when you try to install it? |
| 10:27.37 | babilen | Please take it to #debian-next |
| 10:27.42 | Megaf | babilen, he is on Sid, but that has nothing to do with his problem |
| 10:28.08 | Megaf | He accidentally removed a package, and we can help him re installing here |
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| 10:28.16 | ZSky | Last question about VPS: |
| 10:28.22 | ZSky | When buying: http://client.host4fun.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0 |
| 10:28.29 | ZSky | I'm asked for a hostname |
| 10:28.37 | ZSky | I guess it's the hostname that will be displayed in Debian |
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| 10:28.49 | ZSky | but what if I don't plan to use any domain? |
| 10:28.59 | babilen | Megaf: I beg to differ - There really shouldn't be an issue in continuing this in the appropriate channel. Feel free to join there if you like to help. |
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| 10:29.06 | Megaf | ZSky, then you just dont use any domain |
| 10:29.12 | ZSky | like I plan to connect on 123.123.123.123 directly without any domain |
| 10:29.14 | Megaf | it will be just a name for the system |
| 10:29.19 | ZSky | Megaf: how to choose a hostname then? |
| 10:29.26 | JustASlacker | its just a name |
| 10:29.29 | Megaf | hostname is just a name |
| 10:29.33 | [sr] | Megaf: could not load seccomp policy: Invalid argument - HttpMethod::Configuration (22: Invalid argument) |
| 10:29.39 | Megaf | ZSky, but you change it in /etc/hostname |
| 10:29.44 | JustASlacker | connect via ip will work in any case |
| 10:29.44 | Megaf | and /etc/hosts |
| 10:29.51 | JustASlacker | hostnamectl |
| 10:29.59 | ZSky | which structure would you generally give to the hostname of a VPS without any domain? |
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| 10:30.11 | ZSky | "just.a.hostname" with dots? other things? |
| 10:30.16 | Megaf | babilen, this channel shouldn't be here in the first place, not as "official" "support" channel |
| 10:30.19 | JustASlacker | I would call it beowulf |
| 10:30.44 | Megaf | ZSky, that'd work, can be anything really |
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| 10:31.47 | babilen | Megaf: It has been kept going for a while and it was decided to keep it going after the OFTC move. It is an official support channel. |
| 10:34.02 | Megaf[College] | [sr], That might be a bug, but it looks actually some configuration you did |
| 10:34.11 | Megaf[College] | are you using IPSec or something like that? |
| 10:35.07 | [sr] | Megaf[College]: no.. just a new install |
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| 10:37.04 | Megaf[College] | How did you install? And you shouldn't use Sid for servers, never, not even Testing |
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| 10:37.30 | p3rs3us | hey guys, when writing iso to usb stick, the command is: "dd bs=4M if=debian... of=/dev/sdg" or of=/dev/sdg1 ?? |
| 10:37.41 | towo^work | no |
| 10:38.07 | towo^work | the target is allways the device , never the partition |
| 10:38.16 | towo^work | but why dd? |
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| 10:38.41 | p3rs3us | towo^work, but that means the disk or the partition? |
| 10:38.45 | towo^work | cat /patch/to/debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 10:38.51 | towo^work | the disc |
| 10:39.00 | towo^work | s/patch/path |
| 10:39.12 | p3rs3us | so, of=/dev/sdg is correct |
| 10:39.18 | towo^work | and 4M is never the best blocksize for USB Sticks |
| 10:39.21 | p3rs3us | since of=/dev/sdg1 is the partition |
| 10:39.26 | EF`` | sdXN where X is the device ID, N i the partiton ID. |
| 10:39.51 | Megaf[College] | p3rs3us, if=debiansomething.iso of=/dev/sdg |
| 10:39.51 | EF`` | p3rs3us, yes |
| 10:39.53 | Megaf[College] | all you need |
| 10:40.05 | Megaf[College] | if you are sure its sdg |
| 10:40.10 | Megaf[College] | and umount it first |
| 10:40.13 | OLarry | Hello, do you know if I can get a kernel build log from make-kpkg? I want to see what compiler options were in use. |
| 10:40.35 | Megaf[College] | [sr], anyway, reinstall it, using the stable installer, and upgrade to sid from there |
| 10:40.49 | p3rs3us | Megaf[College], thanks I will use of=/dev/sdg |
| 10:40.58 | p3rs3us | towo^work, thanks, I will use cat |
| 10:42.20 | babilen | p3rs3us: Just use cp .. works with sudo too |
| 10:43.48 | [sr] | Megaf[College]: solved, just downgraded ;) |
| 10:44.10 | Epakai | OLarry: doesn't make-kpkg create the same /boot/config-... as the stock kernel packages? |
| 10:44.37 | p3rs3us | babilen, thanks, I have used cat .. it seems to have worked |
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| 10:45.51 | Nothing4You | hey |
| 10:45.53 | babilen | p3rs3us: Sure, cat works too. It's just that you can't use something like "sudo cat foo.img > /dev/sdb" as the i/o redirect won't run with elevated privileges |
| 10:46.10 | Nothing4You | i'm just setting up a new naming scheme for hosts in our network |
| 10:46.27 | Nothing4You | instead of host.domain.com they're now named host.int.domain.com |
| 10:46.27 | p3rs3us | babilen, I was in root |
| 10:46.41 | p3rs3us | babilen, i never use sudo |
| 10:46.46 | Nothing4You | do i need to specify domain.com or int.domain.com as domain name during install? |
| 10:47.02 | babilen | p3rs3us: Fair enough (just wanted to let you know why I mentioned cp) |
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| 10:50.14 | holyhit | hi, how to autostart in tty1 console after boot? is that possible? (I haven't /etc/inittab) |
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| 10:53.32 | OLarry | Epakai: That is the configuration file. I am after the build log so that I can see what options are actually used by the compiler (want to make sure that nothing gets overriden). |
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| 11:01.34 | darxmurf | Iridos: sorry I'm late, here is the example: http://paste.debian.net/992708/ |
| 11:01.46 | darxmurf | some stuffs are not shown and I can't understand why |
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| 11:03.57 | darxmurf | everything is listed when I mount with vers=1.0 in options |
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| 11:16.25 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 11:16.33 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error ldconfig: Can't stat /lib/i686-linux-gnu: No such file or directory |
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| 11:17.01 | hellyeah | any idea? |
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| 11:18.10 | gusteru | hello, anyone can help me to install pgadmin ? |
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| 11:20.01 | babilen | hellyeah: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Tuples -- I guess you are looking for either i386-linux-gnu or x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 11:20.35 | Megaf[College] | [sr], well, Sid is kinda expected to crash |
| 11:21.11 | babilen | .. which is why we have #debian-next to focus on newly introduced (or newly discovered) bugs |
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| 11:22.06 | hellyeah | babilen, what is the package for x86_64-linux-gnu? |
| 11:22.21 | babilen | hellyeah: What are you doing/trying to achieve? |
| 11:22.48 | hellyeah | trying to install .net core |
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| 11:23.05 | babilen | I don't think that's a package in Debian :) |
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| 11:23.11 | babilen | Or is it? |
| 11:23.26 | hellyeah | is it a script? |
| 11:23.30 | hellyeah | let me show you the output |
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| 11:23.53 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/122XPC4 |
| 11:24.16 | [sr] | Megaf[College]: i know, use it at my own risk ;) |
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| 11:25.53 | babilen | hellyeah: "curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404" -- whatever/whoever wrote that script refers to the wrong URL there |
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| 11:26.18 | babilen | You might want to ask whoever published/supports that software for help |
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| 11:26.56 | hellyeah | microsoft wrote it |
| 11:26.59 | hellyeah | microsoft is shit |
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| 11:42.57 | Megaf[College] | hellyeah, Open the script |
| 11:43.06 | Megaf[College] | find the line 64, platform="$1" |
| 11:43.30 | Megaf[College] | replace with platform="debian.8" |
| 11:43.35 | Megaf[College] | save and try again |
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| 11:44.44 | darxmurf | well, you can also call your script and give "debian.8" in argument ? |
| 11:45.01 | Megaf[College] | yep, I just dont know how :P |
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| 11:45.39 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.40 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 11:46.05 | Megaf[College] | darxmurf, there's lots of variables in the script... |
| 11:46.25 | Megaf[College] | https://dot.net/v1/dotnet-install.sh |
| 11:46.30 | Megaf[College] | that's the script ^ |
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| 11:46.48 | Megaf[College] | I'm assuming it is at lease, is what I get when googling dotnet linux |
| 11:46.52 | Megaf[College] | least* |
| 11:47.13 | darxmurf | well... juste reading the name of it... don't want to open it :D |
| 11:47.58 | darxmurf | if you need microsoft stuffs, just install a windows virtual machine in virtualbox :D |
| 11:48.32 | bezaban | isn't the main point being able to dev .net on linux? |
| 11:48.56 | gpunk | well dev .net on linux is pointless |
| 11:49.19 | Megaf[College] | how so? |
| 11:49.41 | Megaf[College] | .net developers will not change their workflow or C# |
| 11:49.51 | gpunk | they can get lost |
| 11:49.56 | Megaf[College] | .net developers will not change their workflow or C# grammar to use Linux, they are stuborn and not very clever |
| 11:50.04 | Megaf[College] | I worked with them |
| 11:50.04 | jelly | Megaf[College]: is that a lot better than mono or what? |
| 11:50.22 | Megaf[College] | I see no point in .net |
| 11:50.51 | Megaf[College] | you can do everything with Mono/C#, problem is, as everything in Microsoft, no standard is followed |
| 11:50.56 | Megaf[College] | so compatibility suffers |
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| 12:34.04 | kale | would you guys happen to know of a package that provides router setup functionality, say a webinterface like on a physical router. |
| 12:35.49 | Guest13599 | Are Java applications outside the Debian repositories safer to install (less likely to break the OS) than software written in other languages (e.g. Python) due to running in the JVM? |
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| 12:38.44 | beli3verger | Hi guys |
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| 12:40.17 | beli3verger | does somebody use this site from you? https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 12:47.32 | Megaf[College] | beli3verger, seems to work nice |
| 12:48.21 | beli3verger | yeah, I am the maintainer, I want to ask the croud, what I could do better D |
| 12:48.22 | beli3verger | :D |
| 12:48.28 | beli3verger | or which repo I should add |
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| 12:49.03 | will___ | how to change scaling? |
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| 12:49.44 | Megaf[College] | will___, just change the resolution, and if you mean font sizes, then depends on the desktop envirnment you are usin |
| 12:49.48 | will___ | i have a 3000x2000 display on a 13 in body, and everything is tiny when i run debian in a vm |
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| 12:50.11 | will___ | i changed font size, but everything else is small |
| 12:50.25 | Megaf[College] | will___, is it GNOME? |
| 12:50.30 | will___ | nope cinnamon |
| 12:50.40 | Megaf[College] | you want to change fonts dpi |
| 12:50.52 | will___ | is there a cli tool for that |
| 12:51.02 | Megaf[College] | will___, but if its a VM, just set a resolution you like and stretch the window |
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| 12:52.06 | will___ | ok gonna have to shut it down to change those options ill come back with the results |
| 12:52.06 | Megaf[College] | will___, what about Cinnamon is Menu - Preferences - General - Desktop Scaling. |
| 12:52.35 | will___ | i have no such option |
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| 12:52.59 | Samaritano | ciao |
| 12:53.11 | Samaritano | !list |
| 12:53.12 | dpkg | samaritano: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 12:53.33 | Megaf[College] | will___, also, you might like to read this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#X_Server |
| 12:54.42 | Samaritano | 1list |
| 12:54.48 | Samaritano | !lista |
| 12:55.33 | ziongate | Samaritano: this is not a dowload channel |
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| 12:55.49 | Megaf[College] | I will never understand these Italians that just pop here out of now where and pass commands to the bot, and then the bot answers in Italian. That's so weird. |
| 12:56.28 | ziongate | Well. i would not discriminate italians btw |
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| 12:57.00 | ziongate | but maybe those download channels are more typical in italy |
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| 12:57.04 | Megaf[College] | I just dont get whats going on, where are they coming from? |
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| 12:57.35 | Megaf[College] | How do they arrive on this network and channel |
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| 12:58.15 | ziongate | maybe there is some italian irc net with a channel that has same name, and !list of downloads |
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| 13:00.31 | babilen | We don't know and it has been going on for years. #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:02.00 | will___ | @Megaf[College], cant find the file to edit dpi in |
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| 13:02.07 | will___ | think i'll attempt res change from vm |
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| 13:10.26 | ZSky | Isn't php installed by default on a debian? |
| 13:10.39 | ZSky | when I open /index.php in browser i see the raw php code :D |
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| 13:10.51 | ZSky | i just installed a new debian on a vps |
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| 13:11.49 | ZSky | apt-get install php? |
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| 14:08.43 | JustASlacker | cool kids use apt install |
| 14:09.57 | theseb | gpg help!.....trying to verify a package sig (Tor browser) so i pull the public key and get... "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found"....i proceed anyway to verify and get "gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!" |
| 14:10.29 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:10.30 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:10.42 | petn-randall | theseb: Can you provide *all* of the info above in a single paste? |
| 14:10.46 | babilen | theseb: Try #gnupg -- but you have to trust a key if you want to, well, trust it |
| 14:11.11 | babilen | Also .. you can install the tor browser from Debian packages and you might want to consider using that |
| 14:11.16 | petn-randall | Oh, it's not ana apt problem, disregard then. |
| 14:12.05 | theseb | babilen: https://pastebin.com/aB1a8gQ8 |
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| 14:12.53 | babilen | begrudingly opens a pastebin.com link |
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| 14:13.31 | babilen | theseb: Yeah, you want #gnupg for help with that |
| 14:13.42 | babilen | judd: i torbrowser-launcher |
| 14:13.43 | judd | No package named 'torbrowser-launcher' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 14:14.09 | babilen | judd: i torbrowser-launcher --release=stretch-backports |
| 14:14.10 | judd | Package torbrowser-launcher (contrib/web, optional) in stretch-backports/amd64: helps download and run the Tor Browser Bundle. Version: 0.2.8-3~bpo9+1; Size: 217.9k; Installed: 362k; Homepage: https://micahflee.com/torbrowser-launcher/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/torbrowser-launcher; RFH: #796295 |
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| 14:14.21 | babilen | theseb: Might want to use ^^^ https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser |
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| 14:17.03 | theseb | babilen: i PREFER torbrowser-launcher but had issues |
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| 14:17.23 | babilen | Don't we all? |
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| 14:39.17 | blubblub | hi, im on debian in the terminal. and im trying to install virtual box so i use this command : apt -install virtualbox |
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| 14:39.45 | blubblub | but i get there is no installation candidate |
| 14:39.48 | blubblub | what should i do |
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| 14:40.15 | towo` | blubblub, 1st, apt install foo, 2nd if you are on stretch, vbox is only in backports available |
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| 14:41.33 | blubblub | towo`: what do you mean backports? |
| 14:41.57 | towo` | blubblub, https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 14:43.15 | blubblub | towo`: what would be better using stretch or jessie? |
| 14:43.24 | babilen | stretch |
| 14:43.35 | towo` | what's wrong with stretch? |
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| 14:43.56 | blubblub | im noob and i cant instill the virtualbox xD |
| 14:45.56 | towo` | blubblub, learn the basics instead of resign |
| 14:46.56 | babilen | blubblub: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free", run "apt update" and then "apt install vbox" |
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| 14:47.21 | babilen | It should be noted that qemu/kvm is faster and (IMHO) better on Linux and fairly easy to use with virt-manager |
| 14:47.27 | towo` | babilen, would not work |
| 14:47.41 | babilen | Why not? |
| 14:47.47 | towo` | apt install vitualbox -t stretch-backports would work |
| 14:48.01 | babilen | Ah, you said vbox earlier |
| 14:48.02 | towo` | because nothing will installed automagic from backports |
| 14:48.10 | babilen | That too |
| 14:48.12 | babilen | :) |
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| 14:48.40 | babilen | Well, it would work if it's the only candidate |
| 14:49.16 | blubblub | hmm let me try |
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| 14:49.31 | babilen | blubblub: So, accordingly "apt -t stretch-backports install virtualbox" |
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| 14:49.40 | babilen | What do you want to use it for? |
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| 14:52.01 | blubblub | babilen: the value stretch-backports in invalid for apot :: default-reselease as such a release in not available in the sources |
| 14:52.17 | blubblub | apt" |
| 14:52.24 | babilen | blubblub: Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:53.45 | blubblub | babilen: everytime i do /etc/apt/sources.list i get permission denied |
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| 14:54.34 | babilen | blubblub: You have to edit that file as root or via sudo. |
| 14:54.45 | babilen | Did you configure sudo already? |
| 14:54.57 | blubblub | i tried both xD |
| 14:55.16 | babilen | What exactly did you try and what was the outcome? |
| 14:55.38 | kale | would you guys happen to know some software for debian providing router/firewall functionality via web interface? |
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| 14:59.44 | babilen | blubblub: I'd like to help, but I have to know what your issues are :) |
| 15:00.57 | kale | blubblub: you should add the oracle repository |
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| 15:01.56 | babilen | kale: No, (s)he shouldn't |
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| 15:02.32 | kale | babilen: question was how to install virtualbox |
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| 15:02.50 | babilen | I am aware of that |
| 15:03.46 | kale | babilen: so why do you not consider the oracle repository a solution? |
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| 15:05.00 | babilen | kale: Because it is packages (and integrated) in Debian, comes with DKMS support and works well. This is also #debian, so we don't support the packages from Oracle and throwing, what appears to be, a fairly new user into the "Sorry we don't support that" trap isn't a wise decision |
| 15:05.30 | babilen | Using packages from backports is, IMHO, the best approach in this case and the route that is well understand among helpers in this channel |
| 15:05.39 | kale | babilen: ahh, i did not know you supported backports here ... |
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| 15:07.20 | babilen | Naturally using the Oracle repo *is* an option, but I don't really see the point. 5.2 is already in experimental, will be uploaded to unstable soon and will make its way into backports. From there you get nicely integrated software that automatically provides kernel modules for all installed kernels via DKMS. Not sure how the Oracle packages handle that. |
| 15:07.25 | babilen | Do you? |
| 15:08.25 | kale | it tells you if dkms is not ready, and tells you what command to run, also which kernel headers to install, so yes |
| 15:08.40 | babilen | Good to know |
| 15:08.58 | babilen | Not all third party packages are working as nicely |
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| 15:09.35 | kale | babilen: but generally I agree with you. I would always suggest the software packaged by debian. but not when the 3rd party repo is easier to use. |
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| 15:09.53 | babilen | But then .. my actual recommendation would be to use qemu/kvm anyway :D |
| 15:10.13 | babilen | kale: I don't see a difference in "ease of use". Both require you to add a repo and install a package. |
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| 15:26.15 | pchamtaczke | Hi there, do you know when i get download information about debian releases and versions? |
| 15:27.16 | pchamtaczke | I need to write a script to automate update. Currently list of releases are hardcoded, but is there any way to download and parse single file with that info? |
| 15:28.15 | jhutchins_wk | pchamtaczke: What is your actual goal? |
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| 15:28.43 | jhutchins_wk | pchamtaczke: That information is not sufficiently dynamic to justify automation. |
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| 15:29.59 | pchamtaczke | hmm ok |
| 15:31.02 | anonnumberanon | Debian users have to do this now? |
| 15:31.04 | anonnumberanon | https://www.tecmint.com/fix-user-is-not-in-the-sudoers-file-the-incident-will-be-reported-ubuntu/ |
| 15:31.26 | anonnumberanon | Debian becomes harder to use, more reliant on an internet connection. |
| 15:31.30 | anonnumberanon | weeps |
| 15:31.54 | jelly | anonnumberanon: what's the actual issue you're experiencing? |
| 15:32.16 | anonnumberanon | user is not in the sudoers file |
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| 15:32.32 | anonnumberanon | I'm admin of this hardware. |
| 15:32.55 | |stefan| | anyone running asterisk on debian stretch ? and using pjsip ? |
| 15:33.03 | jelly | anonnumberanon: do you know root user's password? |
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| 15:33.35 | anonnumberanon | yeah why |
| 15:33.37 | anonnumberanon | jelly |
| 15:33.56 | jelly | anonnumberanon: then use "su -" to become root. |
| 15:34.05 | anonnumberanon | i did |
| 15:34.06 | anonnumberanon | what now |
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| 15:34.27 | jelly | anonnumberanon: now, which debian release is this? |
| 15:34.47 | anonnumberanon | the latest stable |
| 15:34.58 | jelly | anonnumberanon: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 15:35.43 | anonnumberanon | stretch |
| 15:36.11 | jelly | anonnumberanon: good, and what does "id -a normal-user-name" say? |
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| 15:36.54 | anonnumberanon | 27(sudo) |
| 15:37.01 | jelly | that's not all it says. |
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| 15:37.12 | jelly | can you show the actual output? |
| 15:37.20 | anonnumberanon | I'm not gonna type it all it is a lot of information. |
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| 15:37.50 | jelly | if you want help, accurate reporting is useful. |
| 15:38.07 | anonnumberanon | This is taking too long though. |
| 15:38.12 | anonnumberanon | I don't have time. |
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| 15:38.22 | anonnumberanon | Shouldn't be this intricate. |
| 15:38.29 | jelly | then come back when you have time |
| 15:38.32 | jelly | no problem |
| 15:38.42 | anonnumberanon | I will never have time for stuff like this. |
| 15:38.48 | anonnumberanon | For me this broke. |
| 15:38.55 | anonnumberanon | It was straight forward before. |
| 15:38.56 | jhutchins_wk | anonnumberanon: Go back to Windows then. |
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| 15:39.38 | jelly | anonnumberanon: if you're not able to explain your setup it will be hard to get help with any distro |
| 15:39.50 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins_wk, Windows is not nice for the programming I do. |
| 15:40.06 | jhutchins_wk | anonnumberanon: Also, if you don't take the time to learn what's happeing you will continue to be surprized by normal features of the distribution. |
| 15:40.13 | anonnumberanon | jelly, sure but why the random issues suddenly |
| 15:40.20 | anonnumberanon | had no issues with Debian 8 |
| 15:40.25 | jhutchins_wk | anonnumberanon: Because you don't understand how you got here.. |
| 15:40.38 | jhutchins_wk | anonnumberanon: That is normal behavior. |
| 15:40.52 | anonnumberanon | What ar eyou talking about, what? |
| 15:40.53 | jhutchins_wk | anonnumberanon: It was normal in 8 as well. |
| 15:40.53 | jelly | anonnumberanon: it's VERY hard to answer "why" if you don't have time to show actual info |
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| 15:41.12 | jelly | I could answer "Works For Me" but that's not useful to you. |
| 15:41.43 | anonnumberanon | jelly, I do have time to type 2 lines of command output I'm just panicking at the thought that things may be like this all the time if i continue. |
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| 15:41.59 | anonnumberanon | works on my machine lol |
| 15:42.00 | anonnumberanon | yeah |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 15:42.35 | anonnumberanon | i'll take a short break I'm pretty pissed right now |
| 15:43.41 | Iridos | I just made an identical copy of sda to another disk before upgrade… it's encrypted but has a separate unencrypted /boot. I guess I don't even have to update grub on that drive? |
| 15:45.01 | jelly | if that was the boot disk, you copied grub as well. |
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| 15:45.19 | Iridos | sdb is physically larger, though |
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| 15:46.05 | jelly | Iridos: there are slight differences depending on whether it's a uefi and gpt or bios and mbr setup. |
| 15:46.08 | Iridos | guess she'll be right |
| 15:46.32 | jelly | gpt stores the partition table at the beginning and at the end of a disk |
| 15:46.42 | Iridos | I don't think I did uefi… |
| 15:46.50 | Iridos | well, guess I have to "just" test-boot it |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | do that with original disk disconnected. |
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| 15:47.41 | Iridos | yeah |
| 15:48.17 | jelly | because fs signatures are the same and you might be accidentally /boot from one disk, LUKS from the other |
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| 15:48.57 | Iridos | will see, a bit later, though |
| 15:49.01 | Iridos | thanks |
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| 15:51.12 | anonnumberanon | jelly, this gave me a massive brainfart and made me reconsider my life |
| 15:51.18 | anonnumberanon | okay can you still help me? |
| 15:51.24 | anonnumberanon | please?:? |
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| 15:52.50 | anonnumberanon | uid=1000(user) gid=(user) groups=1000(anonlaptop), 24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),114115(lpadmin),119(scanner) |
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| 15:53.02 | jelly | anonnumberanon: sure, pastebin the output of "id -a yourusername" and "grep % /etc/sudoers", run the latter as root |
| 15:53.11 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:53.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:53.14 | anonnumberanon | yeah okay i failed to change my username in that paste |
| 15:53.23 | anonnumberanon | SIGH |
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| 15:53.44 | jelly | anonnumberanon: noone cares, don't change things. |
| 15:54.12 | anonnumberanon | people are mean more so on IRC |
| 15:54.26 | anonnumberanon | this was a big mistake from my experience |
| 15:54.29 | anonnumberanon | anyway |
| 15:54.38 | anonnumberanon | you said to do that command as root instead? I'll do that |
| 15:54.50 | jelly | not paid to be nice, you want help, be helpful in return and provide requested info |
| 15:55.15 | jelly | commenting on my tone won't get you closer to solving an issue |
| 15:55.21 | anonnumberanon | no like people will hack and dox you here |
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| 15:55.26 | anonnumberanon | that's what i mean |
| 15:55.36 | anonnumberanon | I've gotten doxed it sucks. |
| 15:56.13 | anonnumberanon | jelly, Okay the same command as root gives the same output. |
| 15:56.24 | jelly | anonnumberanon: if you feel a need to hide personally identifiable information, be BERY sure you're doing it in a consistent manner |
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| 15:56.34 | jelly | VERY* BERRY* sure |
| 15:56.38 | anonnumberanon | I know |
| 15:57.11 | jelly | otherwise a volunteer helper might just get frustrated and give up on providing free help |
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| 15:57.16 | anonnumberanon | I'm not gonna write a program to find my username in the file and replac... |
| 15:57.21 | anonnumberanon | wait, i could do that |
| 15:57.23 | anonnumberanon | lol |
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| 15:57.45 | anonnumberanon | I mean everything is cool and easy until the time when you have to move files from different laptops and all that |
| 15:57.58 | anonnumberanon | I'm on 2 laptops right now so that makes it hard. |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | waits for output of two commands, > pastebin the output of "id -a yourusername" and "grep % /etc/sudoers", run the latter as root |
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| 15:58.52 | anonnumberanon | the first command gives same output |
| 15:58.53 | jelly | anonnumberanon: or put in the whole /etc/sudoers if you're moving files on usb stick |
| 15:58.58 | anonnumberanon | second command gives: |
| 15:59.09 | jelly | not here. Pastebin. |
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| 15:59.22 | jelly | esp. if it's more than a single line |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | eg. https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:00.22 | at0m | anonnumberanon: and if you worry, set it to hidden paste and to expire in 1hr. should be plenty for this purpose. |
| 16:00.26 | anonnumberanon | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALLhttp://paste.debian.net/hidden/4978671b/ |
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| 16:00.57 | anonnumberanon | I'm not worried. |
| 16:01.19 | anonnumberanon | oh wow |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | anonnumberanon: that looks correct. Cna you log off and back on and see if sudo works as the affected user after that? |
| 16:01.30 | anonnumberanon | I turned out to have pasted everything in the chat too. |
| 16:02.11 | anonnumberanon | jelly, omg yes i remember that's what did it last time |
| 16:02.17 | anonnumberanon | let me try |
| 16:02.58 | anonnumberanon | okay sudo is working |
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| 16:04.16 | jelly | anonnumberanon: (new) group memberships are applied at login time |
| 16:04.41 | anonnumberanon | Okay. |
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| 16:06.40 | anonnumberanon | Not a single page out of 4-5 how tos said, dude just log off and back on after you're done with these commands. |
| 16:07.05 | anonnumberanon | I won't be able to process that fact today. |
| 16:07.11 | anonnumberanon | Gotta forget about it. |
| 16:07.33 | jelly | that's weird, as it's probably the most common issue when adding a user to a group after initial installation |
| 16:07.52 | anonnumberanon | my thoughts exactly |
| 16:08.26 | anonnumberanon | i did control+F on all pages (4 pages) that were top google returns, for "log off", not a single match |
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| 16:10.14 | anonnumberanon | and in that page i linked when i first started talking about this there are weird methods being explained as "the easy solution everyone should know" that include mounting and unmounting, going into grub recovery |
| 16:10.24 | anonnumberanon | best way to break your system right after install |
| 16:10.37 | anonnumberanon | best way to turn people way off Linux lol |
| 16:10.47 | jhutchins_wk | Not documented. Heh. |
| 16:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | !sudo |
| 16:10.52 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 16:11.36 | jhutchins_wk | : The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 16:13.21 | anonnumberanon | anyways I have to go back to my work (actually Windows programming this time) |
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| 16:13.22 | Wulf | Hi |
| 16:13.25 | anonnumberanon | thanks for everything |
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| 16:14.30 | Wulf | I've got a system running on jessie and want to install a package (python3) from stretch. I don't want to update the whole system. I tried to enable pinning, but it didn't work, apt was going to upgrade everything. Someone got a working apt configuration for this? |
| 16:14.56 | jelly | anonnumberanon: the page you linked assumes ubuntu, which has the first user added to sudo group in advance, before first login; with that out of the way, when the same symptom appears, the cause is something more serious |
| 16:15.06 | jhutchins_wk | Wulf: We strongly recommend AGAINST mixing packages from different releases. |
| 16:15.22 | jhutchins_wk | Wulf: You will most likely end up with a system broken enough to require a clean reinstall. |
| 16:15.25 | jelly | Wulf: it's not possible to do this. |
| 16:15.28 | Wulf | jhutchins_wk: And so do I. But in this case I'll have to, I guess. |
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| 16:15.56 | Wulf | or I would need to install python from somewhere else in the version I require |
| 16:16.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,v python |
| 16:16.03 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; buster: 2.7.13-2; stretch: 2.7.13-2; sid: 2.7.14-1 |
| 16:16.13 | jelly | Wulf: set up a separate installation of stretch in a chroot, or build python3 from source using a separate prefix |
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| 16:16.35 | Wulf | ,v python3 |
| 16:16.36 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.5.3-3; sid: 3.6.3-1 |
| 16:16.38 | jelly | do NOT mix releases. |
| 16:16.54 | jelly | (or do, but then we get to laugh at the results) |
| 16:17.08 | anonnumberanon | jelly, yes isn't that crazy? just ask "how to give a user sudo" in google and it returns that page |
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| 16:17.21 | maxzor | Hello boot issues here still. I had an operational debian boot on a HDD. Now BIOS doesnt recognise EFI partition anymore and cannot boot from this hdd... ? |
| 16:19.43 | jelly | well, mixing in a package or two from an _older_ release is less harmful. Mixing in a newer release is a big no-no. |
| 16:21.00 | jelly | Wulf: I hear there are automation scripts like pyenv that make it relatively easy for one user to build and use their own python |
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| 16:23.51 | maxzor | I had debian HDD1 booting from UEFI yesterday. Inbetween I fiddled with another defective HDD2, which eventually late at night yesterday lead to UEFI unable to recognize neither HDD1 nor HDD2. HDD2 is in repair shop, HDD1 is recognized in uefi again as sata but efi bootloader is gone. Is it possible that HDD1 got corrupt by HDD2? |
| 16:24.35 | maxzor | led* |
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| 16:25.18 | maxzor | Is there any alternative to reinstalling debian from scratch? |
| 16:25.38 | Kobaz | Package xkbui was not found in the pkg-config search path.. No package 'xkbui' found.... what's a good way to get this on debian stretch |
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| 16:26.27 | at0m | ,v xkbui |
| 16:26.29 | judd | No package named 'xkbui' was found in amd64. |
| 16:27.13 | jelly | maxzor: does the EFI partition on HDD1 still exist? |
| 16:27.37 | Kobaz | the closest thing i've found is x11-xkb-utils - X11 XKB utilities |
| 16:27.54 | Kobaz | but that's not a dev package |
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| 16:29.44 | jelly | judd: file pkgconfig/xkbui |
| 16:29.49 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:29.58 | maxzor | jelly yes the first 512Mb FAT32 partition is still here with efi, just got it mounted an an ubuntu laptop |
| 16:30.02 | jelly | judd: file pkgconfig/xkbui --release sid |
| 16:30.07 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:30.46 | maxzor | testdisk rebuild boot sector? |
| 16:30.53 | jelly | maxzor: perhaps you can mount and chroot into your debian, mount /boot and /boot/efi, and reinstall grub on that disk? |
| 16:31.11 | jelly | I don't think UEFI firmware cares about boot sector code. |
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| 16:31.39 | jelly | but also I don't know what testdisk does. |
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| 16:32.38 | jelly | judd: file pkgconfig/xkb |
| 16:32.43 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:33.23 | maxzor | jelly not sure I get it : you suggest to move the .efi file from the fat32 partition sdb1 to the ext4 sbd2 one? |
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| 16:34.05 | maxzor | (my debian is on sdb2) |
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| 16:35.05 | jelly | maxzor: no |
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| 16:36.06 | jelly | maxzor: I suggest mounting your deiban installation, chrooting into it, mounting /boot if you have a separate one, and /boot/efi (the sdb1 filesystem), and then running grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 16:36.12 | jelly | roughly |
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| 16:37.00 | ctcx | Just deployed 2 Debian Stretch PCs in the same network segment, but I late-realized that I left the same hostname (hostnamectl) for both. Nevertheless no one displayed any errors as it looks. |
| 16:37.07 | ctcx | Yet I already powered off one of them. |
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| 16:37.22 | jelly | Kobaz: there are some results for: /msg judd file pkgconfig/xkb*.pc |
| 16:37.24 | ctcx | But, think there was any harm to both due to this negligence? |
| 16:37.32 | jelly | none start with xkbui. |
| 16:37.39 | Kobaz | yeah, it's weird |
| 16:37.40 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: There's no reason you can't have host name conflicts on a network. |
| 16:37.46 | Kobaz | trying to find what this package is, what it comes from |
| 16:37.48 | ctcx | Of course they have different IP address |
| 16:37.58 | jelly | ctcx: you can have a zillion hosts with the same name |
| 16:38.06 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: You can have the same hostname on ALL of the nodes. |
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| 16:39.00 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: It may be confusing, and you can't connect to a system by the hostname, but it can be done. |
| 16:39.16 | ctcx | jelly: well, I was a bit worried because, on Windows -and despite being *different* OSs-, it complains if there are 2 PCs with same hostname on network. |
| 16:39.21 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: So short version, no big deal, just change one. |
| 16:39.23 | jelly | well you may be able to connect to _a_ system :-) |
| 16:40.01 | maxzor | jelly ah think I got it thanks, but any idea why sdb1 is not recognized by uefi directly anymore (provided it ever was)? |
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| 16:40.05 | jelly | ctcx: and debian doesn't complain even when you have two hosts with same IP on the same network... it really ought to. |
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| 16:41.05 | jelly | maxzor: I have no idea what stuff is needed for an efi boot partition to be recognized as such |
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| 16:42.07 | ctcx | jelly: also, I checked each /etc/hosts file on both PCs. Aside the usual default loopback address, I put say "192.168.2.1 localhost" on one, and "192.168.2.2 localhost" on the other. |
| 16:42.38 | ctcx | Something wrong? |
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| 16:43.40 | jelly | why would you do that |
| 16:43.53 | no_gravity | How can I see which version of cutycapt is in Debian 8 and which version is in the backports? |
| 16:44.12 | jelly | ctcx: localhost is shorthand for ::1 and 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:45.39 | ctcx | jelly: ouch, sorry. Correction: "192.168.2.1 debianhost" on one; "192.168.2.2 debianhost" on the other. |
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| 16:46.01 | jelly | ctcx: that seems okay |
| 16:46.10 | ctcx | Boss's request, but I did this before realizing my "issue" |
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| 16:46.25 | jelly | that's just a normal part of configuring the host name |
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| 16:46.39 | ctcx | jelly: so there was no harm at all? Thanks. |
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| 16:47.02 | ctcx | Yet, how does it work? How is it that on Debian there was no harm/conflict with hostnames? |
| 16:47.31 | no_gravity | Anybody? How to check which version of an application is available in Debian 8 and in the backports? |
| 16:48.20 | jelly | ctcx: the conflict lies with name resolution within your domain; there's no conflict in network configuration |
| 16:48.36 | mtn | no_gravity: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 16:48.50 | no_gravity | mtn: I'm there: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/cutycapt |
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| 16:49.09 | no_gravity | mtn: I need a newer version. I don't know how to look for a newer version. |
| 16:49.16 | jelly | ctcx: it's not a very sensible setup if you have DDNS for example (and windows domains use ddns for workstations by default) |
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| 16:49.38 | jelly | no_gravity: /msg judd versions cutycapt |
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| 16:50.07 | no_gravity | jelly: Thanks |
| 16:50.17 | mtn | no_gravity: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cutycapt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 16:50.18 | ctcx | jelly: then why does windows complain if same hostname on network? |
| 16:50.28 | ctcx | Even knowing it's *different* OS |
| 16:50.35 | aarcane | hallo, I'm using a debian based distro (Raspbian), but my question is largely about packaging, so I was thinking this might be a better place to ask specifically |
| 16:50.44 | jelly | ctcx: because it makes it hard to use names. |
| 16:50.51 | no_gravity | jelly: It lists newer versions for "buster", "sid" and "stretch" if I understand the output correctly. |
| 16:51.03 | no_gravity | jelly: How can I use a newer version in Debian 8? |
| 16:51.04 | jelly | no_gravity: yes. There is no newer build for jessie. |
| 16:51.14 | ctcx | jelly: er..... sorry? |
| 16:51.33 | no_gravity | jelly: Isn't there something called "backports" that you can use to use newer versions? |
| 16:52.05 | jelly | no_gravity: you can attempt to build it on your own from sources of a later release, the result is called a "backport" |
| 16:52.11 | aarcane | I want to squash the entire root filesystem into between 5 and 10 packages, to make management and updates easier and less likely to fail (I'm working on an iot platform), and I was wondering what might be the best way to do that. |
| 16:52.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell no_gravity about ssb |
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| 16:52.47 | no_gravity | jelly: So there currently is no backport in jessie-backports for cutycapt? |
| 16:52.52 | jelly | correct |
| 16:53.03 | aarcane | I was thinking about breaking it up into the "core" (Basically the base debian install), a "userland", which is applications, and then a separate package for "gui" and "Hardware connectors", which are the proprietary bits of my application |
| 16:53.03 | jelly | no_gravity: if there were, the bot would have listed it |
| 16:53.49 | no_gravity | jelly: It seems to be these 3 source files: https://github.com/hoehrmann/CutyCapt |
| 16:53.50 | aarcane | but how would I go about packaging those all up? All the guides I've seen are about individual packages, not entire conglomerates of packages rolled into one |
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| 16:54.21 | jelly | ctcx: I have no idea how windows works, but assume it has sanity checks to make the user avoid dumb mistakes |
| 16:54.31 | no_gravity | jelly: Is there a way to get the source files from the debian repos? |
| 16:54.56 | jelly | no_gravity: yes, getting them from debian repos is part of making a backport |
| 16:55.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell no_gravity about deb-src |
| 16:55.12 | ctcx | jelly: thanks very much. Now just for culture, I have read other Debian-based distros such as Proxmox use domains by default. A proxmox /etc/hosts looks like "192.168.2.3 server.domain.com server", but its hostnamectl is plain "server". |
| 16:55.19 | maxzor | jelly how, if i chroot into sdb2, can i mount sdb1 into it? |
| 16:55.25 | ctcx | If there's another proxmox machine with same hostnamectl is there harm? |
| 16:55.26 | jelly | maxzor: yes. |
| 16:55.37 | jelly | ctcx: best ask proxmox people about it |
| 16:55.44 | no_gravity | jelly: What would happen if I just use the binary file from Debian 9? Woule my computer explode? |
| 16:55.56 | jelly | no_gravity: it would also kill your cat. |
| 16:56.08 | jelly | think of the kittens. |
| 16:56.25 | no_gravity | jelly: Is there a way to download the binary so I can try it? |
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| 16:56.32 | aarcane | no_gravity, I missed the beginning, but usually binary files will either work or crash, depending on dependencies. TIAS, just don't expect a clean process. |
| 16:56.41 | aarcane | no_gravity, extract the deb file? |
| 16:56.49 | no_gravity | aarcane: Where is it? |
| 16:56.49 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: Windows machines advertise their hostnames through the Windows networking protocols, so of there are duplicates there's a conflict. *nix machines don't do that by default, although they can be made to participate in a Windows network. |
| 16:56.54 | jelly | no_gravity: get the .deb from packages.debian.org and unpack it? |
| 16:57.08 | jhutchins_wk | !ssb |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:57.20 | jelly | no_gravity: dpkg --extract blah.deb somedir/ |
| 16:57.33 | maxzor | jelly chrooted in sdb2 (debian install ) "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/gabmax/mnt1" outputs error |
| 16:57.45 | no_gravity | jelly: packages.debian.org redirects me to www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:57.51 | ctcx | jelly: finally, how does /etc/hosts work on Debian? Say, one PC "192.168.2.1 pc1 debianhost"; other PC "192.168.2.2 pc2 debianhost" |
| 16:57.53 | jelly | maxzor: "mount /dev/sdb1 /boot/efi" |
| 16:58.07 | no_gravity | jelly: And then when I search for "cutycapt" I get nothing: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=cutycapt |
| 16:58.11 | ctcx | How can one PC have more than one hostname in hosts file? |
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| 16:58.20 | ctcx | And how is it that there's no conflict here? |
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| 16:58.51 | jelly | ctcx: it makes the local resolver resolve many names into the same ip |
| 16:58.55 | jhutchins_wk | ctcx: Think of it like aliases. The hosts file works the same in Windows and Debian, the local machine looks up the name there and matches the IP address. |
| 16:59.29 | no_gravity | Ha, I found something: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/cutycapt |
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| 16:59.42 | no_gravity | Is the deb on that page? |
| 16:59.57 | jelly | no_gravity: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cutycapt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 17:00.28 | jelly | no_gravity: searching for package names, in Distribution: any |
| 17:00.34 | no_gravity | Ok, I got the deb! |
| 17:01.29 | no_gravity | ./cutycapt: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Svg.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:01.32 | no_gravity | Hmm... |
| 17:01.41 | maxzor | jelly that command is to be run before chrooting right? after chrooting i just cannot figure how u can mount in sdb1 from sdb2 (and got error) |
| 17:01.42 | ctcx | jhutchins_wk: so if there was "192.168.2.1 box.domain.com box" and "192.168.2.2 box.anything.com box", both machines having "box" as hostnamectl, still no harm? |
| 17:02.27 | jelly | ctcx: /etc/hosts serves two purposes. One is to set up the domain name and FQDN ("long name") of the host at boot time. The other is to make apps be able to resolve some names, including the hostname of this very host, without needing to ask dns |
| 17:02.29 | no_gravity | So it's compiled against some stuff I don't have? |
| 17:03.08 | jelly | no_gravity: it's compiled against versions of libraries available in stretch |
| 17:03.45 | no_gravity | jelly: I see. |
| 17:03.54 | no_gravity | jelly: Is this the source? http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cutycapt/cutycapt_0.0~svn10-0.1.debian.tar.xz |
| 17:04.15 | jelly | no_gravity: just do a local backport from stretch to jessie, or from sid to jessie |
| 17:04.26 | jelly | follow the ssb recipe |
| 17:04.33 | no_gravity | jelly: Why not download the source? |
| 17:04.55 | jelly | you will do that as a step in following the recipe. |
| 17:05.28 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 17:05.29 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
| 17:05.46 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 17:05.46 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 17:05.59 | no_gravity | jelly: The receipe includes a bunch of changes to my system. I would imagine just downloading a .cpp file and compiling it with gcc is less dangerous. |
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| 17:06.56 | ctcx | jelly: does fqdn (or domain name, long name, however it's called) have priority for the hostname over its "plain" hostname? |
| 17:07.15 | jelly | no_gravity: those changes do not affect sanity of your debian installation |
| 17:07.20 | no_gravity | jelly: This seems to be the source and it only has 3 small files: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cutycapt/cutycapt_0.0~svn10.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:07.26 | jelly | they just install build-deps and grab source |
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| 17:07.55 | jelly | ctcx: what do you mean by priority? |
| 17:08.03 | no_gravity | jelly: "grab source"? |
| 17:08.07 | jelly | ctcx: domain name is just the domain part. |
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| 17:08.42 | ctcx | Then in my last example it DOES have consequences or harm? |
| 17:09.51 | jelly | no_gravity: making a backport consists of getting the development tools and headers required to build a piece of software the way debian builds it (same build options if any); getting the source from debian repos; compiling with same options that debian used; and creating one or more binary .debs |
| 17:10.45 | cybrNaut | upgrading to Stretch broke gpg. "No secret keys found" now occurs. The faq claims "To ease the migration to the no-secring method, gpg detects the presence of a secring.gpg and converts the keys on-the-fly to the the key store of gpg-agent (this is the private-keys-v1.d directory below the GnuPG home directory (~/.gnupg)). This is done only once and an existing secring.gpg is then not anymore touched |
| 17:10.49 | no_gravity | jelly: The recipe says "Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list" But that is wrong in my case, right? Because I want the source of a *newer* version. |
| 17:10.51 | cybrNaut | by gpg." <= that automatic migration is not happening in stretch. |
| 17:11.15 | ctcx | jelly: then in my last example it DOES have consequences or harm? |
| 17:11.23 | jelly | no_gravity: right, so you add the deb-src line for stretch if you want to build the source from stretch. |
| 17:12.23 | jelly | ctcx: there's millions of hosts with a short name of "www". No harm. |
| 17:12.58 | cybrNaut | "~/.gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/" is empty, after running gpg in stretch |
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| 17:13.25 | no_gravity | jelly: "http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main" ? |
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| 17:13.48 | ctcx | jelly: hostnamectl as "www" in same network segment? |
| 17:13.50 | jelly | no_gravity: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main" looks sane |
| 17:13.54 | ctcx | W T H ? |
| 17:14.09 | jelly | ctcx: I have no idea what you mean by hostnamectl |
| 17:14.36 | jelly | it's a command and part of systemd, innit? |
| 17:14.37 | ctcx | jelly: the machine's hostname that you get by typing command hostnamectl |
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| 17:14.44 | ctcx | How else can I call it? |
| 17:14.46 | Iridos | meh. booting was no problem, but the regular install crashed on pm-hibernate |
| 17:14.51 | Iridos | judd, versions hal |
| 17:14.53 | judd | Package: hal on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.14-8 |
| 17:15.00 | jelly | ctcx: I use "hostname" |
| 17:15.11 | ctcx | ok ok "hostname" |
| 17:15.21 | ctcx | jelly: hostname as "www" in same network segment? |
| 17:15.24 | jelly | was not aware hostnamectl did the same thing called without arguments. |
| 17:15.30 | jelly | ctcx: sure. |
| 17:15.40 | maxzor | jelly im switching to linux chan since it is not specific to debian, thanks for help |
| 17:15.43 | ctcx | <jelly> was not aware hostnamectl did the same thing called without arguments. |
| 17:15.45 | ctcx | W T H |
| 17:16.37 | jelly | maxzor: okay; and mount it inside chroot. |
| 17:16.41 | ctcx | While it's slightly relieving, I still cannot believe how *nix in general has no harm with repeated hostnames in network segment. |
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| 17:16.58 | ctcx | It WILL have consequence with same IP address, but hostname? |
| 17:17.09 | jelly | ctcx: why would one host care about how some other is named |
| 17:17.24 | no_gravity | jelly: What does this do? aptitude -R build-dep packagename |
| 17:17.32 | jelly | !build-dep |
| 17:17.32 | dpkg | build-deps are the packages you need to compile a package. "aptitude build-dep package-you-want-to-build" will install them, or use mk-build-deps (equivs package) to have undo-able build-dep installation. If using <uupdate> or <ssb> to update a package, you will likely need additional -dev packages. You can «/msg judd builddeps package». |
| 17:17.49 | ctcx | jelly: what other purpose does a hostname serve for, aside being able to be called by its "name" by someone else? |
| 17:17.51 | jelly | no_gravity: -R avoids obeying Recommends: header |
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| 17:18.19 | no_gravity | jelly: "aptitude -R build-dep cutycapt" wants to install fricking 33MB on my system \o/ |
| 17:18.36 | jelly | OMG 33MB |
| 17:18.47 | no_gravity | What is all that stuff? |
| 17:18.57 | no_gravity | libdrm-dev{a} libegl1-mesa{a} libgbm1{a}... |
| 17:18.57 | jelly | build dependencies |
| 17:19.16 | r3 | magic smoke generators |
| 17:19.25 | ewew | no_gravity are you serious ? |
| 17:19.29 | jelly | no_gravity: if you want to clean them up afterwards, |
| 17:19.33 | jelly | !mk-build-deps |
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| 17:20.02 | ctcx | jelly: what other purpose does a hostname serve for, aside being able to be called by its "name" by someone else? |
| 17:20.25 | jelly | ctcx: I read it first time, be patient |
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| 17:21.08 | jelly | ctcx: it's also used to be called that way by itself |
| 17:21.17 | jelly | ie. the apps running on it |
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| 17:21.31 | ctcx | ^ W T H !? |
| 17:21.33 | jelly | ctcx: what are you trying to get at |
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| 17:21.38 | ctcx | Little sense for me... |
| 17:21.44 | ctcx | just that. |
| 17:22.00 | ctcx | so new |
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| 17:22.17 | jelly | ctcx: if there was no /etc/hosts the machine would have to ask an external resources to resolve its own name |
| 17:22.25 | jelly | resource* |
| 17:22.52 | jelly | (it's actually a bit more complex than that) |
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| 17:23.23 | no_gravity | jelly: I got to this point: dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb |
| 17:23.29 | no_gravity | jelly: Is the new version installed now? |
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| 17:23.56 | ctcx | thanks all |
| 17:24.04 | jelly | no_gravity: you tell me -- what did the output of that command say |
| 17:24.26 | jelly | no_gravity: did it say it was going to upgrade from the old version to the one you just built? |
| 17:25.12 | no_gravity | jelly: It said this: https://pastebin.com/raw/4DG9q1NA |
| 17:25.33 | jelly | "Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :(" and a cat gif |
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| 17:26.03 | jelly | Unpacking cutycapt (0.0~svn10-0.1) over (0.0~svn6-3.1) ... |
| 17:26.04 | jelly | Setting up cutycapt (0.0~svn10-0.1) ... |
| 17:26.19 | jelly | that's what a package upgrade looks like |
| 17:26.32 | jelly | no_gravity: verify with dpkg -l cutycapt |
| 17:26.52 | no_gravity | jelly: Yup, it's the new version! |
| 17:26.52 | jelly | but yeah |
| 17:27.00 | jelly | you did it! |
| 17:27.03 | jelly | !win no_gravity |
| 17:27.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, no_gravity! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 17:28.30 | jelly | no_gravity: if you saved the output of that build-dep command, you could now remove most of that stuff; apt-mark auto package1 package2 ... and apt-get autoremove |
| 17:28.44 | no_gravity | jelly: Hmm.. now cutycapt does not work anymore. Gives me "QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display". |
| 17:28.55 | jelly | no_gravity: run it as normal user |
| 17:29.07 | jelly | probably wrong shell |
| 17:29.18 | jelly | ,i cutycapt |
| 17:29.19 | judd | Package cutycapt (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: utility to capture WebKit's rendering of a web page. Version: 0.0~svn10-0.1; Size: 17.0k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: http://cutycapt.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:32.25 | no_gravity | jelly: Heya, seems to work! |
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| 17:32.36 | no_gravity | jelly: Spits this at me though: "Qt: XKEYBOARD extension not present on the X server." |
| 17:32.53 | jelly | are you using a weird X server? |
| 17:33.03 | jelly | or ssh X11 forwarding |
| 17:33.08 | no_gravity | jelly: tightvncserver |
| 17:33.13 | jelly | right |
| 17:33.27 | no_gravity | jelly: But I did not get that error with the old cutycapt version. |
| 17:33.49 | jelly | it doesn't look like at error if it keeps running after that |
| 17:34.10 | no_gravity | I wonder how I can get rid of it. |
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| 17:34.39 | jelly | probably by getting an X server with the XKEYBOARD extension |
| 17:34.41 | jelly | hides |
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| 17:36.18 | no_gravity | I will fiddle with this more later. |
| 17:36.30 | no_gravity | jelly: Thanks for helping me create my first backport ever! |
| 17:36.35 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 18:03.04 | supermandied | i suppose i can ask a question, its my first time here. |
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| 18:03.40 | mtn | !ask |
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| 18:04.22 | supermandied | I m run Debian 9 on Toshiba Satellite A500 , and the problem is, multimedia touch panel's led, does not work. Any idea? |
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| 18:05.24 | supermandied | i tried setkey on / off or setkey 1 to 32. |
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| 18:07.35 | supermandied | touch panel work , only its led does not work. |
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| 18:08.05 | supermandied | and when i check the syslog, its written unknown key pressed. |
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| 18:12.26 | supermandied | "I have a problem with touch panel led; I'm running Debian version Skretch on Toshiba Satellite A500-19w When I press the buttons, working properly. And I get the message on syslog as " unknown key pressed". I tried set key on/off or setkey 1 to 32. Is there any idea? |
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| 18:16.06 | Megaf | supermandied, but is the system running as it should? I mean, does the button work? |
| 18:16.36 | zebu | hi ! I have a laptop running debian 8.9. the photo card is very very very very slow. Inever seenbefore somethong as this slow. any suggestion ? thx |
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| 18:17.42 | cristian_c | zebu: micro-sd card? |
| 18:17.46 | supermandied | Megaf, yes its working normally. Only no led. |
| 18:17.53 | supermandied | or light i can say. |
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| 18:19.07 | supermandied | and the kernel message over syslog is ; unknown key pressed. |
| 18:19.20 | supermandied | but its working anyway. |
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| 18:20.41 | zebu | cristian_c: I'm not sure, but it's a standard sd card, used by my camera |
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| 18:20.56 | zebu | cristian_c: a 4GB one |
| 18:21.20 | netcrash | Hello, maybe if someone can help, I'm running redis-server config and in the config I have "daemonize no" but the server runs daemonized , any ideas? |
| 18:21.47 | Sveta | you could ask #redis at a point |
| 18:21.56 | netcrash | already have |
| 18:22.00 | netcrash | no answer |
| 18:22.04 | netcrash | thank you anyway |
| 18:23.06 | cristian_c | zebu: just that ds card? |
| 18:23.10 | cristian_c | *sd |
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| 18:23.53 | zebu | cristian_c: just this SD card plugged (if it's what you mean) |
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| 18:24.24 | supermandied | did you check ./redis-server /etc/redis.conf ? |
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| 18:26.11 | zebu | cristian_c: if it can help : the card is slow to be automounted, it is slow for caja (the window manager in Mate desktop) to access in, and it is slow to copy/move content on the desktop |
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| 18:26.54 | zebu | cristian_c: bitrate transfert 96ko/sec |
| 18:27.25 | cristian_c | zebu: so, you've found out this sd card is slow, but other sd cards work as expected, on this card reader |
| 18:27.56 | jelly | supermandied: it's possible leds are driven by separate software and require a driver that does not exist in linux kernel available in stretch |
| 18:28.20 | zebu | cristian_c: I have noother SD cards than this one. And (for ex) in Windows, it's all normal. |
| 18:28.22 | dumbl3d0re | when I format a external drive it's always `root` that become the owner of the drive, and whenever I want to move file to or from the disk I've to do it with SU permissions (sudo). What to do? |
| 18:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: Linux can be more sensitive to bad hardware. Also, cards come in different speeds. |
| 18:29.13 | azarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.18 | cristian_c | zebu: so, you've tried this sd cards on other linux installations |
| 18:29.53 | dumbl3d0re | azarus: Is that fix persistent? |
| 18:30.17 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: if it's formatted with a unix filesystem type like ext4, then what azarus said -- you'd literally have to change ownerships to your own user. |
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| 18:30.44 | azarus | dumbl3d0re: Yes. Permissions don't just change on their own. |
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| 18:30.49 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Yeah, it's XFS. |
| 18:31.21 | jelly | right |
| 18:31.23 | azarus | Then it'll work like a charm. |
| 18:31.26 | zebu | cristian_c: No, I have no SD card in my desktop PC, only in the laptop. I moved (I mean flit) two weeks ago, and I have no idea where is the camera usb cable is. With it, trnasfers go at higher speed. |
| 18:31.33 | dumbl3d0re | I thought that `chown` on the mount point change permission this time local to this computer. |
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| 18:32.01 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: permissions and ownership are written to disk inside the filesystem they're applied to. |
| 18:32.02 | cristian_c | zebu: I mean sd card, not sd card reader |
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| 18:32.21 | dumbl3d0re | How should I do in the future to avoid this problem? Or is it unavoidable because you have to format as SU? |
| 18:32.32 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Okey, thanks! Didn't know that. :) |
| 18:32.36 | zebu | cristian_c: I have this SD card only. |
| 18:32.44 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: chown it once, after it's mounted for the first time. |
| 18:33.02 | jelly | it being the mount point, the root of the filesystem. |
| 18:33.22 | cristian_c | zebu: have you tried to m0unt your one sd card on the desktop machine? |
| 18:33.34 | cristian_c | (comparing speed, for example) |
| 18:33.38 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: you may leave lost+found owned by root |
| 18:33.48 | jelly | dunno if xfs still has it |
| 18:34.40 | zebu | cristian_c: no. I didn't. I always let the system automount the card itself. |
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| 18:34.50 | zebu | cristian_c: on plug |
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| 18:35.55 | cristian_c | zebu: ok, so have you tried to connect the sdcard also on desktop machine? |
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| 18:38.03 | dumbl3d0re | jelly, azarus: Thanks for the help! No problems now :) |
| 18:38.28 | zebu | cristian_c: I can't. I have no SD card readerin the desktop PC. Only in the laptop. If this can help, a lsusb shows "Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller" |
| 18:38.42 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Is there any way to avoid this problem in the future when formatting drives, or is it unavoidable because I've to the operation with SU permission? |
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| 18:39.04 | cristian_c | zebu: ok |
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| 18:39.29 | cristian_c | zebu: so, issue could depends on many different reasons |
| 18:39.42 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: it's unavoidable, but not because of su. It's because mkfs creates the / directory of a filesystem to be owned by root by default |
| 18:39.45 | cristian_c | not necessarily related to the os |
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| 18:40.35 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Thanks for the help and knowledge. Haven't found that info in the manpage. I've just missed it, or is it written down somewhere else? |
| 18:40.37 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: if you gave yourself permissions to write directly on /dev/sdb1 and did mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1 as normal user, it would still create structures owned by root |
| 18:41.02 | cristian_c | zebu: you could chrck dmesg log |
| 18:41.06 | zebu | cristian_c: i just tried to find something relatingto RTS5129 in Synaptic, but founded nothing. |
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| 18:41.36 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: no, but creating an initial filesystem structure has to default to _some_ user |
| 18:41.45 | zuiss1 | when i install the PIA client in debian 9, it successfully installs but does not create a menu item, and when I try to run the binary through terminal, it just does nothing and does not launch the client |
| 18:42.00 | cristian_c | zebu: and also make a comparison/benchmark about transfer time of same file |
| 18:42.10 | cristian_c | on different installations |
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| 18:42.18 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: you could edit mkfs source, and change it so it creates / directory owned by uid 1000 and gid 1000 instead :-) |
| 18:42.57 | jhutchins_wk | Some Linux systems have always had painfully slow data rates on some USB devices. |
| 18:43.15 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Not proficient enough to edit the source, but I'll remember it for the future if no one else is doing it. |
| 18:43.18 | cristian_c | zebu: I don0t know what you re trying to look for into repository, but you'll find nothing |
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| 18:43.39 | dumbl3d0re | Why no one have done it yet I don't know... I can't be the only one with the problem. |
| 18:43.47 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: it's somewhat easier to just chown once afterwards |
| 18:44.28 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Yes, but... It doesn't feel right. :P |
| 18:44.49 | dumbl3d0re | But it's probably the best solution with enterprise environments in thought. |
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| 18:45.17 | zebu | cristian_c: I searched for a possible missing firmware ? But I think if it was the cas, lsusb didn't return the card reader firmware name. |
| 18:45.20 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: on unix, tools are told to be created to do one thing and do it well. If combining the "mkfs" tool and the "mount" tool and the "chown" tool does what you want, there's no reason to rewrite mkfs to do different uids on its own |
| 18:45.44 | jelly | dumbl3d0re: if it doesn't feel right, you'll want to adjust those feelings |
| 18:45.46 | cristian_c | zebu: look above for tips |
| 18:45.58 | cristian_c | I've suggested some ideas about the issue |
| 18:46.01 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: True, and I'm aware of that. |
| 18:46.28 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Simplest solution is probably to write a script if I don't want to do it manually. |
| 18:46.49 | jelly | right |
| 18:47.44 | dumbl3d0re | jelly: Thanks again for your help and info. Much appreciated! |
| 18:47.44 | zebu | cristian_c: ok. I just watched dmsg output, filtered tohave only usb lines (else many cpu lines with them) |
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| 18:55.20 | zebu | cristian_c: https://pastebin.com/4sJtx847 I have filtered out all the CPU lines (there were really much). I think the SD card is the mmc lines |
| 18:57.53 | zebu | cristian_c: the laptop is a MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro |
| 18:58.21 | zebu | cristian_c: initially not really made for Linuxes |
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| 19:02.53 | cristian_c | 285449.575715] FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 19:02.53 | cristian_c | [285456.040608] FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck. |
| 19:04.24 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: Most hardware is OS agnostic, it's a question of whether Linux support has been built by someone. |
| 19:05.00 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: Things like shortcut keys and card readers actually have surprizingly good support these days. |
| 19:05.19 | n4dir | i think i heard that being able to run all pretty much all hardware was one of the huge advantages of Unix; back then. |
| 19:06.25 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: Yeah, was one of the first "portable" OSs. |
| 19:07.02 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: Still pretty much the only thing that'll run on either an IBM 390 or a Pi. |
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| 19:07.13 | zebu | cristian_c: I just run a fsck on it |
| 19:07.51 | jhutchins_wk | zebu: With card readers, you often don't see them as hardware unless they have a card in them. |
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| 19:08.23 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: these days, probably, smartTV's, routers, and what else you have :-) |
| 19:08.37 | zebu | jhutchins_wk: ok. thx. I did tell the laptop model because I did have so much freezes in this laptop. This is why it still running debian 8 instead of 9 |
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| 19:10.40 | zebu | cristian_c: for the FAT-fs with UTF-8 encoding. I did do nothing about it. I think it is the camera (FUJIFILM Finepix S4000) that formatted the SD card this way. |
| 19:11.22 | DammitJim | I'm confused about swapfile |
| 19:11.28 | DammitJim | I am trying to increase the swap on a server |
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| 19:11.38 | DammitJim | is /swapfile an actual file I can read? |
| 19:11.44 | DammitJim | with ls -lA |
| 19:12.18 | kale | DammitJim: add a new file "dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=256", then make it a swapfile "mkswap swapfile", then swap on oi "swapon swapfile" |
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| 19:12.41 | DammitJim | I am doing swap with a logical volume, though |
| 19:12.55 | zebu | jhutchins_wk: ok. |
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| 19:16.53 | zebu | cristian_c: I didn't know SD cards can need a fsck, before now. |
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| 19:21.33 | DJDan | does anyone here know by anychance how to get wpa_supplicant to compile in osx? Apparently its for OSX, except i dont think its actually installed inside it. https://w1.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 19:21.41 | zebu | cristian_c: fsck tell "Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be corrupt.". This can explain slow access/transfert. |
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| 19:21.51 | greycat | DJDan: I would ask #macosx |
| 19:22.16 | noobly | Hey guys, I was here yesterday with a couple questions about a succesful install with unsuccesful results. The install went fine, connected to internet and everything, but now when I boot it loads kernels etc then goes into a permenant black screen (no boot prompt that I can see). I used the nonfree ISO, but perhaps some video driver for GPU was missing or something. So today I'm trying to boot into rescue mode via usb, and was going to |
| 19:23.05 | kale | noobly: what happens if you press ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
| 19:23.31 | noobly | but when trying to reach my mirrors I seemed to lack access. I tested the connection with ping gnu.org, it did not work, however, it did work when I entered IP addresses (I have NO idea why). My searches tell me this is a DNS error, so I'm blindly trying to go from there. Any help would be great. Also, worthy of note is that my resolv.conf is BLANK |
| 19:23.44 | noobly | kale: nothin happened, that was about the first thing I tried yesterday |
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| 19:27.27 | kale | noobly: does it show grub? |
| 19:27.37 | noobly | yes |
| 19:27.51 | zebu | cristian_c: jhutchins_wk : wow wow wow ! I did a fsck -a on the card. Now transfer rate is ~1.7Mb/s. I think the problem is solved. So, today I have learned something new to know : if a SD card access/transfer is too slow than usual, think to do a fsck -a on it. Thx a lot for your help. |
| 19:28.10 | kale | did you try to edit the grub entry and remove the "quiet" from kernel options? |
| 19:28.11 | noobly | I really think it has something to do with a lack of firmware, so trying to troubleshoot that leads me to first needing to troubleshoot this internet issue (no resolv.conf) |
| 19:28.22 | noobly | no? what's that all about? |
| 19:29.15 | kale | noobly: for the resolv.conf part, just do echo "8.8.8.8 > /etc.resolv.conf" and go with that for starters |
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| 19:30.35 | greycat | you mean nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 19:30.37 | noobly | ok thx, but do you mean /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 19:30.47 | DammitJim | how bad is it for a user to not have a shell specified and the passwd file just says: dammitjim:x:1111:1111::/home/dammitjim: |
| 19:30.48 | kale | noobly: oh yes, my mistake |
| 19:31.06 | noobly | ok it echoed |
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| 19:31.22 | kale | noobly: do you have a route? |
| 19:31.41 | noobly | I don't know what you mean by that, am noob |
| 19:31.51 | kale | do you have a gateway? |
| 19:32.14 | noobly | I h8 to sound repititive, but still don't know what you're asking |
| 19:32.29 | noobly | looking into it now though |
| 19:32.34 | OS-31390 | #offsec |
| 19:32.34 | kale | noobly: fair enough, do you know the ip of your router? |
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| 19:34.16 | noobly | yeah I can figure it out |
| 19:34.26 | noobly | but currently I'm experiencing a weird problem |
| 19:34.47 | kale | one problem at a time, pick one |
| 19:35.03 | noobly | after echo "8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf I am told cannot create /etc/resolv.conf: directory nonexistant |
| 19:35.15 | noobly | so I went in with nano and created a blank resolv.conf, but it won't let me? |
| 19:35.18 | noobly | ahhh |
| 19:35.30 | greycat | noobly: it should be echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:35.58 | noobly | greycat: and "nameserver" is a placeholder there? |
| 19:36.05 | greycat | man resolv.conf |
| 19:36.06 | kale | greycat: thanks, i am too sloppy |
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| 19:36.26 | noobly | ok, back to reading that then |
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| 19:37.17 | Igramul | Hello, how can I recompile the kernel with a non-standard configuration and still get kernel updates (ideally being re-compiled with the deviating configuration)? |
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| 19:40.53 | noobly | is there a way to automatically pick nameserver and DNS? I've had to do this before, and it's a little confusing |
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| 19:41.18 | kale | noobly: yes, if you have a dhcp server running. |
| 19:41.20 | greycat | Usually your DHCP server provides it. |
| 19:41.38 | greycat | And for most people, "your DHCP server" means your router. |
| 19:41.46 | noobly | man I have a lot of learning to do |
| 19:41.50 | kale | noobly: most routers run a dhcp server |
| 19:41.54 | noobly | greycat: oh, perfect, thank you :-) |
| 19:42.04 | greycat | And for most consumer-grade routers, the nameserver IP it provides is simply a forwarder to the ISP's nameservers. |
| 19:42.16 | greycat | kale, very few actually *run* one |
| 19:42.37 | greycat | when the ISP's nameservers go down, the router's name service stops working... |
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| 19:44.22 | candidat | hello greycat |
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| 19:44.29 | candidat | hello people :) |
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| 19:45.17 | DammitJim | what happens when there is no shell specified for a user? |
| 19:45.26 | greycat | does passwd(5) say? |
| 19:45.44 | DammitJim | you mean man passwd(5)? |
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| 19:46.08 | DammitJim | or /etc/passwd |
| 19:46.08 | Spec | "man 5 passwd" |
| 19:46.44 | DammitJim | thanks greycat and Spec |
| 19:46.54 | DammitJim | I can see that If this field is empty, it defaults to the |
| 19:46.54 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.19 | noobly | Ok, really dumb here and trying to grasps all this found here: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration under "DHCP Client Configuration". So I've nano'd into /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf , and uncommented out what the guide mentions, but it doesn't really go into detail here, and the man pages don't help much in this case (?). So I uncommented the supersede, but I'm not sure how this relates to DNS, nameservers and this other stuff I do |
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| 19:51.37 | shtrb | noobly , why do you need to it? |
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| 19:52.18 | noobly | I'm just trying to get to the internet to connect to mirrors, I can connect succesfully with ping via IP, but not domain names |
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| 19:52.39 | noobly | also, my resolv.conf is empty, but I don't really understand the implications of that |
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| 19:52.48 | noobly | and all this DNS, nameserver, DHCP is new to me |
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| 19:53.14 | greycat | the implications are "you can't look up anything in DNS" |
| 19:53.16 | shtrb | If you resolv.conf empty that mean you are not using dhcp (dhclient interface name could start it ) |
| 19:53.37 | greycat | he edited the thing with nano, so all bets are off |
| 19:53.39 | shtrb | are you using network manager / wicd / wvdial etc |
| 19:53.54 | shtrb | but why he started touching that ? |
| 19:54.19 | noobly | greycat: I only uncommented one line |
| 19:54.34 | greycat | it is not normal for resolv.conf to have comments in it, AFAIK |
| 19:54.34 | shtrb | what was the original reason for that |
| 19:54.37 | noobly | shtrb: I don't know that I'm using any of those |
| 19:54.49 | noobly | greycat: not resolv.conf, dhclient.conf |
| 19:54.56 | greycat | what are you DOING |
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| 19:55.05 | shtrb | how did you connect to the internet , what desktop envoirment are you using |
| 19:55.07 | noobly | greycat: I don't know! |
| 19:55.27 | jhutchins_wk | actually, an empty resolv.conf can also be because the DHCP server isn't sending DNS hosts. |
| 19:55.28 | shtrb | I belive he wished to auto add a fixed dns server |
| 19:55.39 | noobly | shtrb: I connected during the installation process with the GUI installer after selecting my hardware and enetering credentials |
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| 19:56.10 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: Do you know what DNS servers you should be using? |
| 19:56.11 | shtrb | Cable or WiFi ? |
| 19:56.18 | noobly | but upon boot, my screen was black (no boot prompt) , so I tried downloading firmware-linux-*,but coulnd't connect to my mirrors, so I'm trying to connect to the internet now |
| 19:56.24 | noobly | wifi |
| 19:56.42 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: Do you know what DNS servers you should be using? |
| 19:56.50 | noobly | jhutchins_wk: no, I barely know what that means |
| 19:56.56 | shtrb | did you run ANY commands from terminal or did you click on some icon ? |
| 19:57.04 | shtrb | just use google's |
| 19:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: Yeah, let's just get him working. |
| 19:57.19 | shtrb | 8.8.8.8 |
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| 19:57.36 | noobly | shtrb: during the installation I just clicked icons ([continue], [go back], etc) but after first boot I've been on command line from rescuegui |
| 19:57.51 | noobly | I tried echoing google's IP into resolv.conf but had an issue |
| 19:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: noobly edit /etc/resolv.conf, put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" (no quotes) in and save. (Do this as root) |
| 19:58.02 | noobly | ty guys I'm neck deep in crap rn |
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| 19:58.21 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: The worst that will happen is that it'll get overwritten when you restart. |
| 19:58.45 | noobly | jhutchins_wk: ok, done |
| 19:58.56 | shtrb | now try pinging www.google.com |
| 19:58.58 | shtrb | or something like that |
| 19:59.08 | noobly | Iname or service not known |
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| 20:00.03 | noobly | jhutchins_wk: my resolv.conf is empty other than nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:00.11 | noobly | and then I saved, exited, ping'd and failed |
| 20:00.19 | shtrb | it's dots not commas |
| 20:00.22 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: You can ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 20:00.48 | shtrb | also try cat /etc/resolv.conf to be sure it is the only content |
| 20:01.01 | noobly | interestingly, no. I was able to ping IPs yesterday |
| 20:01.19 | greycat | then your network is non-working at a lower level than DNS |
| 20:01.28 | greycat | you'll have to fix the lower layers first |
| 20:01.35 | noobly | greycat: crap |
| 20:01.54 | noobly | I don't understand how this happened to begin with, the install was smooth |
| 20:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: If you got it working once, you can get it working again. |
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| 20:02.18 | shtrb | Can you please plug out and plug the cable back , do dmesg | tail to see the output after the insertion |
| 20:02.28 | shtrb | to see that the network card actually is up |
| 20:02.33 | shtrb | and see the cable |
| 20:02.46 | noobly | it's usb wifi dongles but yeah |
| 20:03.14 | shtrb | if that's a usb dongle you need to run dhclient on it |
| 20:03.29 | greycat | wireless needs all kinds of extra steps |
| 20:03.37 | shtrb | dhclient interfacename (if that is the only thing) |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | usually the configuration involves a password-type thing |
| 20:04.07 | shtrb | but if that is a real wifi , you need to use wpa_supplicant , wpa_passphrase and dhclient (for WPA type) |
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| 20:04.16 | noobly | ok nvm they're not usb, but a screw on dongle thing |
| 20:04.56 | shtrb | Is it WiFi or not ? |
| 20:05.09 | noobly | dmesg | tail says wlp3s0: autheticate with.... ... then it tries 3 times and times out, twice in a row |
| 20:05.19 | noobly | it's wireless, not wired |
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| 20:06.41 | noobly | oh ok, I've done wireless network configs before |
| 20:06.54 | noobly | i just thought since the installer connected just fine, I would remain connected after install |
| 20:08.38 | shtrb | good luck |
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| 20:16.14 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: Note that there are still other wireless auth protocols, not just wpa. |
| 20:17.01 | shtrb | yes , there is still wep but I don't belive he would be using it |
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| 20:17.28 | shtrb | All other WPA/WPA2 and friends will be using wpa_supplicant |
| 20:18.03 | jhutchins_wk | shtrb: There is also network-manager, likely to be installed by default. |
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| 20:19.01 | shtrb | yes , which spawn wpa |
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| 20:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | I haven't actually had to do anything with wpa-supplicant ever. Several laptops, multiple distros & releases. |
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| 20:21.54 | shtrb | wpa_cli and friends are just the lower approach than network manager nothing more (sometimes it is easier to diagnose issues with wpa_supplicant than with netowrk manager ) |
| 20:22.23 | shtrb | in the end each person soon use the tools that is best suited for their needs |
| 20:24.26 | noobly | ok, still can't do anything |
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| 20:25.00 | noobly | usually this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#wpa_supplicant is my failsafe, but I got syntax errors on # wpa_supplicant -i interface -c <(wpa_passphrase "your_SSID" "your_key") |
| 20:25.56 | jimr1603 | Hi Debian people. I'm having trouble binding xdotool click 1 to ` through keyboard shortcuts in the gnome-settings-manager |
| 20:26.09 | jimr1603 | In fact, it doesn't accept any command |
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| 20:27.29 | shtrb | noobly , check if network manager is running . kill it . and do what you are use to do normally |
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| 20:28.46 | noobly | network manager is already dead, never installed aFAIK |
| 20:28.48 | shtrb | The only reason I can think for failure to auth would be bad password+ssid , not listed mac on the router or bad firmware |
| 20:30.09 | noobly | I've never used wpa_cli before but I have a good feeling about it rn |
| 20:30.29 | noobly | I'm sure it's an extremely obvious oversight any of you would catch if you were here in person |
| 20:30.54 | shtrb | if you are ok with wpa_supplicant use it (wpa_cli is just an interface for that ) |
| 20:31.14 | shtrb | does the assoiation ok ? |
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| 20:34.05 | noobly | shtrb: nope association failed, I do not understand. I've verified the accuracy of the credentials at least 15 times, ther'es no mistake |
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| 20:35.04 | shtrb | assoiate failed -> missing firmware , wrong algorithm , incorrect SSID , non authroised MAC on router |
| 20:35.12 | shtrb | reason 3 ? |
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| 20:35.49 | shtrb | oh and rfkill |
| 20:36.30 | shtrb | does rfkill list show the device us blocked ? |
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| 20:36.48 | noobly | shtrb: one sec let me get ack there |
| 20:37.03 | shadow199 | hi |
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| 20:38.27 | shtrb | noobly , And there was the n vs g issue with some drivers in the past |
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| 20:40.51 | noobly | cntrl-event-ssid-temp-disabled id=0 ssid="myissid" authfailres=8 duration=116 reason = CONN_FAILED |
| 20:41.22 | noobly | shtbr:^ |
| 20:41.35 | noobly | *shtrb:^^ |
| 20:41.55 | shtrb | what about rfkill ? |
| 20:42.18 | noobly | where am I supposed to run that? |
| 20:42.39 | shtrb | in a terminal on that pc |
| 20:42.52 | noobly | 'not found' |
| 20:42.55 | shtrb | rfkill list to see if the network is black listed |
| 20:43.01 | r3 | where can I find a list of the Debian archive mirrors as they appear in the 9.2 installer (at the "Configure the package manager" step?) |
| 20:43.10 | shtrb | ouch , just to be sure did you try bringing the interface up ? |
| 20:43.17 | noobly | yeah |
| 20:43.32 | noobly | and i verified that its up |
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| 20:44.32 | noobly | i did everything on this link beginning at "get the name of the interface" and ending at "get an IP address" |
| 20:44.58 | noobly | i ended up with a syntax error trying to use # wpa_supplicant -i interface -c <(wpa_passphrase "your_SSID" "your_key") ("unexpected '(') |
| 20:45.09 | hsiktas | in Gnome 3 "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)" means software rendering, right? |
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| 20:46.15 | hsiktas | is there a way to get VMware's GPU acceleration for a Debian 9 VM? |
| 20:46.52 | shtrb | noobly you can just do : wpa_passphrase "SSID" pwd >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then start wpa_supplicant -i w3p.. -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf (but make sure no other wpa_supplicant instance is running ) |
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| 20:48.23 | noobly | does pwd need to be in quotations too? |
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| 20:50.24 | shtrb | I have to run noobly, sorry :-( |
| 20:50.33 | shtrb | and no |
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| 20:51.54 | noobly | shtrb: ty 4 the help! |
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| 20:57.16 | noobly | is it ok to have wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc/, or does it need to be in /etc/wpa_supplicant/config.conf? |
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| 20:58.32 | jhutchins_wk | noobly: Since you're passing the full path it shouldn't matter. |
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| 21:00.35 | noobly | ok |
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| 21:03.58 | noobly | how come after I succesfully intialize wpa_supplicant with correct credentials, it doens't work? |
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| 21:06.46 | RoyK | noobly: I just debugged wpa_supplicant with a friend, Malinux here, and it ended up working after installing a custom driver and blacklisting a couple of others, and adding wpa_supplicant to /etc/network/interfaces istead of adding the data directly into the file |
| 21:07.13 | noobly | ahh this is getting too painful for me |
| 21:07.14 | RoyK | noobly: there can be a lot of factors, though - bad drivers may often be the thing especially with realtek shite |
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| 21:08.20 | RoyK | noobly: we're writing all our experiences on a wiki, but it's not clean enough yet to be published - what sort of card is this? |
| 21:08.23 | RoyK | (and he left) |
| 21:08.30 | RoyK | bloody newbies |
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| 21:33.29 | treaki | hi |
| 21:33.57 | treaki | i am trying to create some virtual servers but i do only have one ip, so i want to do it somehow local network like |
| 21:34.09 | treaki | its Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 (stretch) |
| 21:34.11 | treaki | https://paste.debian.net/992909/ |
| 21:34.16 | treaki | any ideas??? |
| 21:34.24 | treaki | thanks in advance |
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| 21:46.39 | jimr1603 | I'm following what it says here, but I press the key I've set as a shortcut and nothing happens: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/adv-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en |
| 21:49.01 | mtn | jimr1603: one key or a key combo? |
| 21:49.22 | jimr1603 | Either. Have tried `, f2, various modifier keys plus ` |
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| 21:50.49 | mtn | jimr1603: hmm. try it using crtl and some key, like /, for instance. does it work now? |
| 21:51.13 | jimr1603 | ctrl - /, no work |
| 21:51.37 | mtn | jimr1603: what is the command supposed to do? |
| 21:51.54 | jimr1603 | currently set to run gnome-terminal as something that obviously will do something |
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| 21:52.05 | jimr1603 | eventually I want to set ` to mouse click |
| 21:52.32 | mtn | jimr1603: I use alt + x to do that with no issues. odd it doesn't work for you. |
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| 22:09.45 | jimr1603 | I worked it out. I used to be on kde. Its still running the kde shortcuts |
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| 22:10.28 | mtn | jimr1603: mixing desktops can cause all kinds of problems. I make a new user for a new destkop environment |
| 22:10.55 | jimr1603 | yeah. I should possibly have done what I nearly ended up doing at the upgrade - nuke from orbit and start afresh |
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| 22:15.18 | aarcane | for repository signing, I can use any (signing) subkey I choose, yes? I'm asking because I'd rather issue one subkey for each of my primary workstations than to have one shared subkey for all of them. |
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| 22:46.08 | sim590 | Why doesn't openjdk-8-jdk:amd64 contain `javac` binary? |
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| 22:49.50 | sim590 | Wow. I need -headless package... I dislike this. |
| 22:50.53 | zark | hi does anyone knows how to configure synergy clients to connect to the serveR ? |
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| 23:18.34 | cujotus | debian history |
| 23:18.42 | cujotus | debian still owns |
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| 23:28.48 | KNERD | zark: you just tyoe in the IP adress and it connect..bam..yes that easy |
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| 23:36.52 | Jeroen | hi there |
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| 23:48.23 | zark | KNERD, hi, yes i did that the server said there is an error |
| 23:48.47 | tesko | i update my kernel and now my system cant access my gui, not even as root |
| 23:50.46 | n4dir | i would probably boot the old kernel. |
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| 23:52.47 | tesko | that didnt work either same thing happened |
| 23:53.37 | th0r_ | tesko, can you get as far as a command prompt? |
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| 23:58.05 | tesko | yes th0r |
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| 23:59.42 | tesko | lots of packages got de installed |