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| 00:02.34 | tesko | good lord my machine is fubar |
| 00:02.41 | Iridos | maybe you uninstalled X |
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| 00:03.10 | tesko | i updated to 4.14.999 |
| 00:03.14 | Iridos | or the DE at least |
| 00:03.25 | tesko | daily kernel |
| 00:03.37 | tesko | then wam snafu |
| 00:03.43 | Iridos | why did packages get deinstalled from installing a kernel |
| 00:03.46 | tesko | then fubar |
| 00:03.57 | tesko | beats me |
| 00:04.05 | tesko | i dunno what happened |
| 00:04.22 | Iridos | well, a log of the screen? what did you do? |
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| 00:05.30 | tesko | i updated my kernel to the latest daily build |
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| 00:05.42 | tesko | with dpkg |
| 00:05.50 | tesko | headers and image |
| 00:05.54 | tesko | rebooted |
| 00:06.11 | tesko | then got stuck trying to startx |
| 00:07.35 | annadane | !enter |
| 00:07.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 00:09.41 | noobly | will debian nonfree xfce iso include network packages? |
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| 00:15.05 | noobly | I failed hardcore in an earlier install |
| 00:15.18 | noobly | couldn't get wifi to work, despite it working fine during the installation phase |
| 00:15.24 | noobly | so I'm just looking for a more failsafe approach |
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| 00:51.37 | asterismo_l | hi |
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| 00:53.10 | asterismo_l | i'm having some graphic issues using compiz in debian 8 jesie, thunar and pcmanfm, and even hexchat do not update the vindow content correctly when scrolling |
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| 00:58.13 | asterismo_l | http://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ |
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| 01:33.59 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 01:38.58 | someoldfart | Chrome's adobe flash player was blocked because it is out of date. I have tried removing and installing flashplayer-nonfree and pepperflashplugin-nonfree. apt updated, apt upgraded. nothing seems to resolve it. Debian GNU/Linux 9 |
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| 02:34.54 | soie | how can I decrease the speed of my laptop fan? |
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| 02:38.07 | Epakai | someoldfart: those plugin packages aren't in debian 9, refer to https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for installing the plugin manually |
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| 04:08.52 | tr0gd0r | Anyone know how to renumber drives in mdraid? I replaced drive 3 and now there is no drive 3, it has been replaced with 4 |
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| 04:25.12 | LuaCoder_Dev | Does anyone know a good email client that I could run shrunk into the system tray, and it would notify me when I get new mail? |
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| 04:27.04 | mutante | every notification pop-up means you need 20 minutes to get back into what you were doing |
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| 04:45.58 | treaki_ | mutante, 20 minutes sounds quite weak... |
| 04:46.51 | treaki_ | or your what you are doing is requiring pretty much focus |
| 04:47.18 | mutante | treaki_: source was http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007836.do afair |
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| 04:47.46 | treaki_ | i would say, any notification popping up is requiring aprox. 20 secounds of focus and then you can go on... |
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| 04:48.36 | mutante | https://lifehacker.com/how-long-it-takes-to-get-back-on-track-after-a-distract-1720708353 |
| 04:48.48 | n4dir | http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=notification claws-mail seems to be able too |
| 04:48.55 | mutante | "it takes an average of 23 minutes and 15 seconds to get back to the task." |
| 04:49.45 | LuaCoder_Dev | But claws main has to be a window in the taskbar, not an icon in the systray unlike hexchat |
| 04:50.02 | LuaCoder_Dev | I also want notifications like hexchat |
| 04:50.19 | binary106 | hi i need someone to write a script to backup my Rackspace cloud files to a SFTP server - PM me if you can help (i have some sheckles) |
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| 04:50.47 | treaki_ | normally i have about (statistically) 0.3 non work related notifications/distractions for that i spend approximately, including unlocking the phone, 30 seconds i would guess... |
| 04:50.52 | treaki_ | so no problem... |
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| 04:51.28 | treaki_ | of cause you shouldnt set your device to get notifications from anyone but only for deep friends and family ;) |
| 04:51.42 | treaki_ | however, ice got2go ;( |
| 04:51.55 | treaki | staying on here... |
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| 05:47.21 | beli3verger | Does someone have some ideas for my maintain site: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 05:47.32 | beli3verger | The Debian Sources List Generator |
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| 06:02.18 | cheapie | beli3verger: It's not recommended to use the "stable", "testing", etc. links. Use "stretch", "buster", and so on unless you like accidentally upgrading when you least expect it. |
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| 06:18.09 | JyZyXEL | i keep getting this after upgrade from jessie to stretch |
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| 06:21.59 | JyZyXEL | oh, for some reason the '/etc/logrotate.d/apache2' file had gotten +x |
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| 06:44.56 | beli3verger | cheapie, ok |
| 06:45.02 | beli3verger | I will take a look |
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| 07:00.45 | micw | hi |
| 07:01.10 | micw | i'd like to report a bug to a package (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/tinc) and try to figure out how ^^ |
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| 07:01.25 | micw | should I just send an email or do I need to create a tracker account? |
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| 07:03.56 | micw | may it be that a line like "[ -r /etc/default/tinc ] && . /etc/default/tinc" is ignored by systemd? |
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| 07:18.07 | nix64bit | is there a rule of thumb for permissions. everything in my home directory 700? |
| 07:18.23 | nix64bit | what about /usr/local |
| 07:18.36 | nix64bit | i just wish it was a bit clearer |
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| 07:22.20 | bezaban | nix64bit: 700 includes the executable bit, so you do not want that for everything. The answer is 'it depends' |
| 07:22.47 | nix64bit | thats a terrible answer :) |
| 07:22.57 | bezaban | which is also the strength of it, but 600 for files and 700 for files works for home directory |
| 07:23.12 | nix64bit | popping out be back in 20 |
| 07:23.22 | bezaban | nix64bit: understanding how it works will help you determine what you want for each case :) |
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| 07:25.04 | bezaban | 600 for files and 700 for directories (which are also files)* |
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| 07:28.21 | mutante | nix64bit: just ask yourself "do i want all users to be able to read/modify/execute everything in my home dir" and once you have an answer, then you can figure out the right chmod/chown commands to achieve that |
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| 07:33.21 | JustASlacker | there is also setfacl |
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| 07:33.48 | JustASlacker | if you need more fine grained permissions |
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| 07:34.47 | bezaban | I think he wanted less ;) |
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| 07:36.21 | daniel-s | What does CAS mean in the filenames of these .iso files? |
| 07:36.23 | daniel-s | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:41.08 | nix64bit | anyway thanks. i just getting permission errors updating node in my home directory |
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| 07:41.39 | nix64bit | its just one more thing |
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| 07:47.07 | chomwitt | i'm trying to assign a static IP to a jessie box . ipv4 wont work. do i have also to add an address in ipv6 tab ? |
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| 07:51.00 | bezaban | chomwitt: no, you should be fine with only ip4 as long as you're using an address that can be used on the network you're on |
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| 07:52.29 | bezaban | and have a route to the world if you're trying to communicate past a router |
| 07:53.10 | chomwitt | bezaban: maybe i must look my dhcp gateway settings.. |
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| 07:54.46 | bezaban | chomwitt: you use an address and gateway which would be in the same network that you would get from dhcp (but preferably outside the dhcp range). First step check if you can reach your gateway (then ip4 is working) then if you can route packets past your gateway, if not add a (default) route |
| 07:55.03 | chomwitt | bezaban: after i set a new static ip in the network settings , does $ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart is enough to get the new ip ? |
| 07:55.22 | bezaban | chomwitt: depends on what you put in where, pastebin it |
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| 07:56.21 | bezaban | you can verify with 'ip a' if you have the ip address set. I know there's been 'issues' with /etc/init.d/restart in the past, not sure about the state on jessie. That is also an old command as jessie will be using systemd |
| 07:56.39 | chomwitt | bezaban: i use a gui windows for network setting in kde. in the ipv4 tab i choose 'manual' and i add a static ip / 255.255.255.0 / 192.168.1. |
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| 07:57.05 | bezaban | chomwitt: ah yes, then check 'ip a' and pinging your gateway |
| 07:57.39 | bezaban | no need to hide the last octed of your private ip address, it could even help us see if you're using a bad one (usuallly 0,1 and 255 on a /24) |
| 07:57.53 | bezaban | s/octed/octet/ |
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| 07:58.53 | chomwitt | 192.168.1.1 |
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| 07:59.22 | bezaban | chomwitt: that will (often) be the ip address of your gateway, so that would be a bad one |
| 07:59.43 | bezaban | you should make sure the ip address you're using isn't taken |
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| 08:01.11 | bezaban | assuming your network is 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
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| 08:02.56 | JustASlacker | yeah, 1.1 looks bad |
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| 08:03.14 | JustASlacker | also you should be able to do 192.168.1.2/24 |
| 08:03.56 | JustASlacker | you dont need the 255.255.255.0 hardly ever anymore |
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| 08:05.34 | bezaban | JustASlacker: you need a subnet mask, and should also know which one your network is using |
| 08:06.08 | bezaban | that was just a way to uniquely id the network :) |
| 08:06.45 | bezaban | oh, right. Yeah, doing it in cidr instead - I se |
| 08:06.51 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.14 | bezaban | I considered cidr, but since he was already talking about his subnet mask I thought that would ease communication |
| 08:07.18 | JustASlacker | nods |
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| 08:07.34 | JustASlacker | probably. maybe the gui in kde needs it in that format |
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| 08:07.49 | bezaban | I missed your /24 in the second comment :) |
| 08:07.53 | JustASlacker | most places accept /24 nowaday |
| 08:08.11 | bezaban | yeah, as they should |
| 08:08.13 | chomwitt | as static ip i choose 192.168.1.100 , also in gateway setting i leave dchp on but i set to give addreses in the 192.168.1.10 - 99 range, but still nothing. my box gets always 192.168.1.5 ..strange |
| 08:08.39 | bezaban | chomwitt: no, dhcp off if you want static |
| 08:08.40 | JustASlacker | do you have static ip or dhcp |
| 08:08.49 | JustASlacker | those are exclusive |
| 08:08.58 | bezaban | chomwitt: you need to statically set your gateway address. |
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| 08:10.15 | bezaban | chomwitt: a different approach which will achieve more or less the same is to use dhcp on your machine and set a static dhcp lease on your router |
| 08:10.21 | chomwitt | i've done that also ,. |
| 08:10.36 | bezaban | that will let you centrally update dns/gateway/address space and more easily move between networks |
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| 08:10.52 | chomwitt | ~$ ping 192.168.1.1 work ok (my gateway) |
| 08:10.59 | bezaban | great |
| 08:11.01 | dexta | gm |
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| 08:13.30 | chomwitt | in ipv6 tab is set to 'auto' should i put that to manual too? |
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| 08:14.40 | chomwitt | nothing, ipv6 set to ignore , still stuck with ip 192.168.1.5 .. |
| 08:15.20 | chomwitt | ok!!!! |
| 08:15.32 | JustASlacker | well, do you have a ipv6 network? is your gateway reachable by ipv6? |
| 08:15.42 | chomwitt | i unplugged and plugged again the usb wifi dongle!! |
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| 08:15.56 | chomwitt | and it get the static ip1! |
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| 08:16.58 | no_gravity | Hello! How do you echo the return value of a command? |
| 08:17.08 | Ticho_ | $? |
| 08:17.16 | no_gravity | Ticho_: ? |
| 08:17.24 | Ticho_ | no, "echo $?" |
| 08:17.44 | no_gravity | Ticho_: Say the command is "cmp -s file1 file2" |
| 08:17.45 | Ticho_ | that command prints out return value of previous command |
| 08:18.07 | no_gravity | And I want to expand that line to show the return value. |
| 08:18.28 | no_gravity | Ticho_: echo $ just gives me "$" |
| 08:18.33 | JustASlacker | echo $? |
| 08:18.43 | Ticho_ | cpm -s file1 file2; echo $? |
| 08:18.53 | no_gravity | Ticho_: That outputs "$". |
| 08:19.06 | Ticho_ | $?, including the question mark |
| 08:19.24 | no_gravity | Awesome, that works! Thanks! |
| 08:19.30 | Ticho_ | you're welcome :) |
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| 08:19.45 | JustASlacker | bash is ugly |
| 08:21.06 | Ticho_ | this was a thing long before bash was a thing :) |
| 08:21.31 | Ticho_ | no_gravity: you may want to look at e.g. https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Special-Parameters.html for more such special variables |
| 08:22.23 | no_gravity | Ticho_: I'm fine with $? |
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| 08:22.29 | Ticho_ | alright :) |
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| 08:24.03 | JustASlacker | so |
| 08:24.21 | JustASlacker | as I understand it, you dont give root user a password for mariadb |
| 08:24.24 | JustASlacker | anymore |
| 08:24.32 | JustASlacker | but use unix sockets instead: IDENTIFIED VIA unix_socket |
| 08:24.39 | JustASlacker | right? |
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| 08:40.36 | Megaf | Hi all, what would the correct scalling module be for a Core2Duo? |
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| 08:52.06 | KimBongJun | hello :) how do i use ssh as a "remote controller" to change movie ? |
| 08:52.44 | JustASlacker | is that a debian question? |
| 08:53.17 | mutante | exit |
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| 08:55.14 | KimBongJun | im on debian and use ssh over debian so i guess :) yes |
| 08:55.47 | KimBongJun | see the thing is that i want to display things on the host monitor |
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| 08:57.07 | KimBongJun | ...like movies, programs, weather station for an example, and be able to change whats show, because if not i could just let it boot the weather station. |
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| 08:59.03 | KimBongJun | if anyone could tell me it would be nice :) |
| 08:59.28 | Megaf | KimBongJun, you dont use ssh for that |
| 08:59.38 | petemc | you can if you change display variable |
| 09:00.08 | KimBongJun | Megaf: i would like to so i won't have to have keyboard and mouse connected :) |
| 09:00.10 | Megaf | you use a player called Kodi and its web interface in another machine or run Kore app in your Android/iOS |
| 09:00.31 | Megaf | google Kodi, you will like |
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| 09:01.43 | Megaf | KimBongJun, and you might wan to join #Kodi |
| 09:02.37 | KimBongJun | oh thanks, but i want full control, not only for media player =) thanks tho |
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| 09:03.31 | Megaf | If you want a Remote Desktop, then it's another story, you asked about weather and movies |
| 09:03.36 | Megaf | Kodi does that |
| 09:04.06 | Megaf | KimBongJun, for remote control you can use things like VNC, if you google Debian Remote Desktop you will find plenty of information |
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| 09:04.46 | Megaf | If you just want to use your keyboard and mouse in two devices at the same time, it's another story, I only know of one commercial app that does that well |
| 09:04.51 | KimBongJun | cool i haven't really thought about that, perhaps because i just want to execute commands and see the results on the screen.. :S |
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| 09:07.44 | Megaf | KimBongJun, that would be just ssh user@host command |
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| 09:10.27 | KimBongJun | would it be shown on the screen then? |
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| 09:12.45 | theluckymike | hi, could someone send some good doc on ipsec config for debian? I Would like to bring up some ipsec tunnels to other places from my linux box |
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| 09:34.53 | treaki_ | hi, i am missing lxc-net: https://paste.debian.net/992958/ |
| 09:34.59 | treaki_ | how is it named now? |
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| 09:36.42 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 09:36.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 09:36.45 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
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| 09:37.56 | Iridos | is there some known issue with the linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 ? Don't see any in bugs.d.o |
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| 09:40.35 | Iridos | oh |
| 09:41.15 | Iridos | fuck D: |
| 09:41.30 | nix64bit | nice someone just pushed a node update to debian main |
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| 09:44.04 | treaki_ | i guess ill move back to debian 8 if that is so much complicated... |
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| 09:47.51 | babilen | Iridos: You alright? |
| 09:48.23 | Iridos | yeah… turns out I would have had 100% less problems without making an extra bootable backup for the upgrade |
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| 10:01.57 | cybrNaut | aptitude --log-level=debug build-dep mutt <= results in "Unable to apply some actions, aborting" Is there a log level that will make that msg less vague? |
| 10:02.45 | brizz | does anyone know how to remove the default Network/Volume/Power widget in gnome3? (https://i.imgur.com/IBQ9rrX.png) |
| 10:02.48 | cybrNaut | if i use "--log-level=trace", then it seems to just hang |
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| 10:16.17 | cybrNaut | gtg |
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| 10:32.52 | m712 | hey guys |
| 10:33.04 | m712 | i upgraded debian wheezy to jessie |
| 10:33.12 | m712 | but forgot to grub-install |
| 10:33.28 | m712 | so now grub can't boot, and the modules are incompatible |
| 10:33.34 | m712 | so can't use grub rescue |
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| 10:34.04 | m712 | could something like this work: get the deb package for grub mods, extract it to an ext4 flash disk and insmod from there and boot |
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| 10:34.12 | m712 | ext4 read works |
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| 10:36.48 | gpunk | give it a try :) |
| 10:36.59 | m712 | copyingmodules to flash now |
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| 10:37.11 | m712 | done |
| 10:37.18 | m712 | booting the pc |
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| 10:38.19 | m712 | wtf, it didn't copy |
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| 10:38.40 | m712 | maybe because I pulled it out without unmount and it unrolled with journal? |
| 10:38.54 | gpunk | yes, always Unmount |
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| 10:39.20 | babilen | dpkg: fixmbr |
| 10:39.20 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 10:39.26 | babilen | generic way ^ |
| 10:39.43 | m712 | don't have PC slots |
| 10:39.46 | m712 | can't boot UDB |
| 10:39.47 | m712 | USB |
| 10:39.52 | m712 | it has a BIOS password |
| 10:40.39 | m712 | ok, i can see the mods |
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| 10:41.40 | m712 | ok, insmod linux and normal worked!!! |
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| 10:44.13 | gpunk | :) |
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| 10:49.18 | m712 | waiting on plymouth |
| 10:49.42 | m712 | welp, it seems to be stuck |
| 10:49.44 | m712 | amazing |
| 10:50.29 | m712 | no wait |
| 10:50.29 | m712 | it's booting |
| 10:50.41 | m712 | it booted |
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| 10:58.25 | maxxe | /tmp is cleared on reboot but for servers that don't reboot so often can I clean /tmp in a good way? |
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| 11:08.54 | tomreyn | maxxe: tmpreaper |
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| 11:09.18 | tomreyn | or better yet, don't have them written there in the first place, or removed after use |
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| 11:11.47 | maxxe | tomreyn, thanks. I knew there was a utility for it. I find /tmp very useful on desktops. usually when I just want to have a look at something I download it to /tmp and extract it |
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| 11:14.12 | administrador | Hello!!!! what is the best to use in my home pc, debian stable, unstable ou debian testing? |
| 11:14.56 | maxxe | administrador, I run stable as a desktop |
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| 11:15.17 | maxxe | everything works so I don't feel I need to upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 11:15.22 | xayto | j |
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| 11:16.50 | administrador | I am using unstable version and cant find any bug... |
| 11:17.27 | administrador | very stable the unstable version. 😎 |
| 11:17.46 | tomreyn | maxxe: the issue with just deleting files / directories in /tmp based on their age is that is can be easily wrong. this is best done by whatever (or whoever, when you ustore files yourself there) has understanding of what's current and what is not. |
| 11:18.00 | tomreyn | s/current/still needed/ |
| 11:18.41 | maxxe | yeah |
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| 11:19.05 | Epakai | administrador: stable in debian is about not changing, not really related to bugs or uptime. unstable sometimes breaks as a necessity of the development cycle, it's up to you to be aware when package upgrades will be safe. |
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| 11:20.30 | administrador | thanks Epakai, I will take care... about package upgrades... |
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| 11:24.46 | KimBongJun | how do i set a background picture in gnome-terminal on debian? |
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| 11:26.17 | KimBongJun | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161798 -.- |
| 11:26.23 | KimBongJun | found it |
| 11:26.25 | KimBongJun | nvm me |
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| 11:32.10 | klemax | Hi |
| 11:32.26 | klemax | How can i disable auto-mounting for internal devices especially ntfs part? |
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| 11:42.44 | toruvinn | not sure if i asked here. did anyone use some whatsapp or line client or something like that (which isn't email) to notify yourself about stuff on your server perhaps? generally some sort of push notifications to one of those popular chat apps on mobiles |
| 11:43.13 | toruvinn | klemax, are they in /etc/fstab ? then add noauto as option |
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| 11:44.05 | klemax | toruvinn: I could not see them in fstab. They are mounted as /media/klemax/devicename. |
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| 11:47.34 | toruvinn | probably some weirdo automounter then, sorry, i don't know, i dont use this stuff. |
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| 11:49.55 | klemax | Before they were mounted but to be able to see the datas, must have sudo'd it. |
| 11:50.12 | klemax | Actually I want that stuff. |
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| 12:06.51 | introom | on debian, where is the BzImage ? |
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| 12:12.21 | Epakai | introom: /boot/vmlinuz-<kernel-version> |
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| 12:13.31 | introom | Epakai: thanks. |
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| 12:43.56 | manuelschneid3r | how does debian deployment work? does debain have some sort of user repositories? can it be automated? |
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| 12:50.21 | tomreyn | manuelschneid3r: look for preseeding and fully automated installer (FAI), those are two options |
| 12:50.48 | tomreyn | manuelschneid3r: what do you mean by 'user repositories'? |
| 12:50.55 | tomreyn | automated in which way? |
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| 12:55.00 | EnormousPumpkins | i like pumpkins |
| 12:55.04 | manuelschneid3r | tomreyn, I am new to debian and want to ship my software so I guess I will not be trusted. Archlinux solves this by the archlinux user repository (AUR) there I can put my package users can download (and build but that not the relevant part). I just want to get my app shipped on debian. Preferably in the most convenient way, e.g. by webhook on github, so that whenever I push a release somewhere in the web |
| 12:55.04 | manuelschneid3r | a build mechanism starts an pushes the built package to the repos where everybody can get it. |
| 12:55.56 | manuelschneid3r | long story short: CI |
| 12:56.10 | tomreyn | manuelschneid3r: you want to provide an APT repository which matches debian releases |
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| 12:56.40 | EnormousPumpkins | I.... LIKE..... |
| 12:56.45 | EnormousPumpkins | PUMPKINS!!!!!!! |
| 12:57.08 | tomreyn | there are several ways to automate builds from a CI to go into an APT repository |
| 12:57.36 | EnormousPumpkins | tomreyn: do you like pumpkins |
| 12:57.40 | manuelschneid3r | tomreyn, but then I would have to setup dozens of vms to build on the different machines, wouldnt I? |
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| 12:58.04 | tomreyn | but how to do it depends on the programming language you use, the CI you use, and your software packaging preferences. |
| 12:58.13 | manuelschneid3r | c++/qt |
| 12:59.04 | EnormousPumpkins | !ops i am evading multiple k-lines because i have magic powers |
| 12:59.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: enormouspumpkins complains about a problem (see above) |
| 12:59.07 | manuelschneid3r | actually I dont really use CI atm, besides Travis to check the release. I would have to set it up |
| 12:59.13 | EnormousPumpkins | i get the magic from pumpkins |
| 12:59.14 | tomreyn | manuelschneid3r: you can cross compile, or, easier, you could use OBS (opensuse build system) which can also build packages for other distributions and releases. |
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| 12:59.34 | tomreyn | ...and architectures, too, IIRC |
| 13:00.41 | tomreyn | manuelschneid3r: what's the softwares' license? maybe it could go into debian proper then you'd benefit from automated builds. |
| 13:00.52 | manuelschneid3r | oh OBS looks nice |
| 13:01.07 | manuelschneid3r | GPL |
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| 13:02.07 | tomreyn | well, then if it's not just test project but actually achieves something which people find useful, and is not that young or buggy you could try submitting it to debian |
| 13:02.30 | tomreyn | look into "RFP" (request for packaging) |
| 13:03.02 | theluckymike | why we dont do ritual? |
| 13:03.04 | theluckymike | .events |
| 13:03.12 | theluckymike | sorry, wrong channel -.- |
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| 13:04.50 | Droid2Debian | Whast is the pacakefg I need to install for nonfree flash player in firefox-esr |
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| 13:06.36 | RedSoxFan07 | https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ |
| 13:06.57 | RedSoxFan07 | Droid2Debian: Here's your answer: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ |
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| 13:08.53 | Skywave | fstab is refusing to mount for some reason |
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| 13:10.03 | Droid2Debian | RedSoxFan07, wheredo I place the file in aftermentioned aarchive for systemwide instalation of flashplugin? |
| 13:10.31 | Droid2Debian | Debian Stretch 9.2.1 |
| 13:10.40 | RedSoxFan07 | Droid2Debian: Just run the installer. |
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| 13:11.04 | RedSoxFan07 | Droid2Debian: It's a .deb file, right? |
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| 13:11.09 | gpunk | there is a README file ...to read |
| 13:11.59 | gpunk | no, there is no .deb |
| 13:11.59 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: For flash? I don't remember that. Admittedly, I installed flash on my machine a while ago. |
| 13:12.14 | gpunk | yes there is |
| 13:12.22 | gpunk | dowload the tar.gz |
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| 13:12.31 | gpunk | and untar/gzip it |
| 13:12.34 | gpunk | you ll see |
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| 13:16.34 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: Interestingly enough, there's an apt version of the installer that's supposed to make installation easier on Debian-based systems. But it doesn't work, which is why you're talking about the tar.gz version. |
| 13:16.58 | gpunk | no that is not why |
| 13:17.14 | gpunk | dont assume why I say things |
| 13:17.47 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: Well, if the apt version worked, Droid2Debian could have just done that and had a muhc easier installation. |
| 13:18.06 | RedSoxFan07 | *much |
| 13:18.31 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: But, back to business. Yeah, I see the readme file. |
| 13:19.54 | gpunk | instead of trying to break your system go to |
| 13:19.56 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/fr/FlashPlayer |
| 13:20.17 | cybrNaut | aptitude --log-level=debug build-dep mutt <= results in "Unable to apply some actions, aborting" Is there a log level that will make that msg less vague? |
| 13:20.20 | gpunk | that .deb must be for ubuntu or something |
| 13:20.25 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: I don't speak French. |
| 13:20.35 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 13:21.22 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: Thank you. |
| 13:21.29 | gpunk | wlc |
| 13:22.49 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: wlc? |
| 13:23.01 | gpunk | means : you'r welcome |
| 13:23.22 | RedSoxFan07 | gpunk: ah. |
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| 13:26.59 | RedSoxFan07 | Droid2Debian: Looks like there isn't an installation candidate for Stretch in the repository. There are are installation candidates for Jessie, Wheezy, and Sid. But when it's ready, it'll be called flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:27.23 | RedSoxFan07 | Droid2Debian: However, that's for the plugin, not the systemwide version. |
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| 13:45.40 | |DM| | Is there some service I can sysctl run to restart all the wireless support programs |
| 13:45.44 | |DM| | wpa_supp, etc etc |
| 13:49.23 | RedSoxFan07 | |DM|: Try this: sudo service network-manager restart |
| 13:49.52 | RedSoxFan07 | |DM|: I found that from a DuckDuckGo search. |
| 13:52.04 | RedSoxFan07 | |DM|: Otherwise, here's an interesting forum thread on the topic: https://askubuntu.com/questions/271387/how-to-restart-wifi-connection#399159 |
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| 14:11.21 | hachik_ | hello, how to set up vim as default text editor for single user? |
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| 14:15.34 | nix64bit | I am still on the lookout for a dedicated debain laptop (I dont want to pay for a ms license then install over it) |
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| 14:16.24 | tw | hachik_: set EDITOR in their login environment. Possibly .bashrc |
| 14:17.13 | jelly | nix64bit: https://puri.sm/products/ ? |
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| 14:18.22 | jelly | they put their own distro on it but I guess any distro will work well |
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| 14:18.59 | tw | system76 and the dell xps13 DE are also linux supported. |
| 14:19.58 | nix64bit | i will have a look thanks |
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| 14:21.10 | tw | Ooo, that puri.sm link supports coreboot out of the box. |
| 14:21.12 | tw | that's nice. |
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| 14:22.50 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: System76 |
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| 14:23.10 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Oh. I just realized that tw beat me to it. |
| 14:23.51 | nix64bit | is anyone using them? |
| 14:24.15 | nix64bit | i want to use it for developemnt |
| 14:25.00 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: I'm currently on a late 2011 MacBook Pro. I'm debating between System76 Oryx Pro and Lenovo Legion Y710. |
| 14:25.22 | nix64bit | most of the linux devs i know use macs |
| 14:26.06 | nix64bit | really keen to find something of similar quality |
| 14:26.32 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: When you say most of the Linux devs you know use Macs, are they running MacOS on them or Linux? |
| 14:27.06 | nix64bit | mostly macos |
| 14:27.18 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: That's weird. |
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| 14:27.37 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Declining Mac hardware is actually what got me into Linux. |
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| 14:27.39 | tw | I've gotten an ibm thinkpad t470 running debian, but you said no windows tax. |
| 14:27.47 | tw | Sorry, lenovo thinkpad t470 |
| 14:27.50 | tw | not ibm anymore. |
| 14:27.53 | nix64bit | RedSoxFan07: i feel the same |
| 14:28.25 | LTCD | Hi. When Tails OS is shutdown or if the live flash drive is removed it automatically wipes RAM. I have an old computer running Debian from a live USB flash drive, is there a tutorial or something with how I could implement it? |
| 14:28.58 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: I'm really into upgrades and repairs. I like being able to repair and upgrade my computer. Unfortunately, Apple is making their stuff incapable of repairs and upgrades. |
| 14:29.05 | tw | LTCD: I think that's a kernel feature on tails, you'd have to ask them how they do it. |
| 14:30.09 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: It's also a lot easier to install open-source software on Linux. |
| 14:30.12 | tw | I guess you could do it writing to /dev/mem, but I wouldn't know where to start. |
| 14:30.45 | nix64bit | i might carry around a small box pc |
| 14:30.51 | tw | (in a literal sense, I wouldn't know where in the address space to start to avoid trashing the executing binary or the kernel memory.) |
| 14:31.12 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Are you looking for a SSF PC, sorta like a Mac Mini? |
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| 14:31.22 | tw | nix64bit: we're going into off-topic land. |
| 14:31.43 | nix64bit | it is for debian i did say |
| 14:31.47 | nix64bit | i will stop |
| 14:31.52 | nix64bit | ;) |
| 14:32.06 | jelly | tw: probably kexec a very small tool that does just that </offtopic> |
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| 14:32.51 | tw | jelly: Hadn't considered a separate kernel. TBH, that'd be a nice shutdown unit for debian. |
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| 14:35.40 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Oh, okay. Debian should work fine on System76's computers. They ship with Ubuntu, but as far as I know, they utilize hardware that is well-supported by Linux in general. |
| 14:36.21 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: I asked them about it a year ago, back when I wanted to make a Hackintosh. But I realized that it's more work than it's worth to make a Hackintosh and that the Mac seems to be a sinking ship. I figure I'm better off switching from MacOS to Linux. Besides, after spending 5 years on a Mac, I'm kind of used to using non-standard software, such as iWork and Pixelmator. |
| 14:38.21 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: But if you're really looking for a SFF desktop, you might want to check out the System76 Meerkat: https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat |
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| 14:39.08 | LTCD | tw Ahhh damn |
| 14:40.12 | tw | !tails |
| 14:40.12 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:40.23 | tw | LTCD: I'm sure you can go ask them how it works. |
| 14:40.59 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Or are you more interested in a laptop? Or a full-size desktop? |
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| 14:41.21 | LTCD | tw Will do. |
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| 14:42.08 | nix64bit | RedSoxFan07: I have many desktops, thanks for the help |
| 14:42.58 | nix64bit | i like the meerkat |
| 14:43.45 | nix64bit | we should probably cool it re off topic ? |
| 14:43.57 | cybrNaut | debian apparently installed "libnotmuch-dev" without any action on my part, but when i do an "aptitide why libnotmuch-dev" I am told "Manually installed, current version 0.23.7-3, priority extra" |
| 14:44.03 | cybrNaut | aptitude is lying, i think |
| 14:44.16 | cybrNaut | anyway to dig further into why that package is installed? |
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| 14:48.45 | jmsbnd | cybrNaut: nothing interesting in /var/log/apt/history.log? |
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| 14:49.07 | RedSoxFan07 | nix64bit: Yeah. |
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| 14:49.26 | nix64bit | ;) |
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| 14:53.13 | cybrNaut | jmsbnd: thanks! it shows it was part of a "apt-get build-dep mutt" command |
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| 15:39.28 | chudak | I installed fresh ubuntu 16.04 on headless NUC and connect to it via ssh and x11vnc, via x11vnc the desktop respond is very slow, I can see windows being redrawn, not sure what's wrong, any help please ? |
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| 15:45.19 | introom | what linux-manual disappears since stretch ? |
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| 15:48.08 | jhutchins_wk | chudak: You're looking for #ubuntu. This is #debian. |
| 15:48.23 | jelly | chudak: sohuld be usable on a local network. which debian release on the client? |
| 15:48.38 | chudak | also ubuntu |
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| 15:48.54 | chudak | its odd as I never had this issue before |
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| 15:49.00 | jelly | chudak: then ask in #ubuntu channel, please. Thanks! |
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| 15:49.15 | chudak | ok thanks |
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| 15:49.49 | jelly | introom: why do you ask? |
| 15:50.05 | introom | jelly: sorry. |
| 15:50.15 | introom | s/what/why does |
| 15:50.46 | jelly | okay, what do you mean by linux-manual? |
| 15:51.05 | jelly | ,v linux-manual-4.9 |
| 15:51.06 | judd | Package: linux-manual-4.9 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5; stretch: 4.9.51-1 |
| 15:51.13 | jelly | introom: ^^ ? |
| 15:51.35 | jelly | that thing? |
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| 15:52.53 | introom | yeah. I am on sid. |
| 15:52.57 | introom | cannot find it. |
| 15:53.21 | jelly | ,v linux-manual-4.13 |
| 15:53.22 | judd | No package named 'linux-manual-4.13' was found in amd64. |
| 15:53.50 | jelly | introom: it's built from linux kernel source, so look at the changelog for src:linux |
| 15:54.31 | jelly | also, ask about sid in |
| 15:54.33 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:54.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:55.08 | Loeb | Dumb question: Can I add flags to the end of a shell directory in /etc/passwd? |
| 15:56.06 | jelly | Loeb: what kinds of flags, what do you want them to do? |
| 15:56.49 | Loeb | Trying to set a flag on the rootsh shell to change how it logs. |
| 15:57.05 | jelly | you probably can't add parameters for the login shell. Use a wrapper I guess and add it to /etc/shells |
| 15:57.30 | Loeb | General goal is auditable logs. Oh, I can add the flag in /etc/shells and it'll read that flag when I call the shell in passwd? |
| 15:57.41 | jelly | no. |
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| 15:58.05 | jelly | make a wrapper script that will exec the real shell with desired parameters |
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| 15:58.26 | Loeb | Ahh. |
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| 16:09.21 | no_gravity | Hello! I am using cutycapt to make screenshots of websites and then compare them. I save the screenshots to bmp files and compare them with cmp. The files sometimes differ even if the image is exactly the same. Any idea how to go about that? |
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| 16:10.39 | brick | what color depth are you using? |
| 16:11.02 | brick | lots of work has been done on calculating image similarity btw |
| 16:11.24 | no_gravity | brick: When I open the image in GIMP it says "RGB" so I guess its 3x8 bit. |
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| 16:11.52 | no_gravity | It's not about similarity. I only need to know if the image are exactly the same or not. |
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| 16:13.18 | brick | you just said they are not exactly the same in a lossless format. case closed. |
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| 16:13.50 | no_gravity | When I put them both into GIMP and substract them, the result is a black image. |
| 16:14.51 | brick | did you try a RAW file? it looks like BMP can contain some metadata. |
| 16:15.09 | Ein | no_gravity: are there gradients by any chance? |
| 16:15.13 | no_gravity | cutycapt only supports SVG, PDF, PS, PNG, JPEG, TIFF, GIF, and BMP. |
| 16:15.28 | no_gravity | Ein: I don't think so. |
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| 16:15.48 | no_gravity | Ein: Since it renders the same webpage twice, even gradients should be exactly the same. |
| 16:16.05 | Ein | not if they are generated |
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| 16:16.15 | brick | you can always use imagemagick convert |
| 16:16.18 | Ein | think the title bar back in win2k days |
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| 16:16.20 | no_gravity | Ein: "generated"? |
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| 16:16.59 | brick | if i were you i think i would write a program that explains how many pixels differ and by how much. |
| 16:17.34 | no_gravity | Ein: But then the images would have to be different. They are the same. At least as far as I can tell. Switching between them shows no difference, calculating the difference in GIMP results in a 100% black image. |
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| 16:18.12 | Ein | is it 100% black or are there a pixel here and there that you just cannot see? |
| 16:18.46 | no_gravity | Ein: I played with the curves and could not bring up anything visual. |
| 16:19.20 | no_gravity | When I convert the images to raw, cmp finds no differnce anymore. The way I convert them: convert v1.bmp v1.raw |
| 16:19.29 | no_gravity | and convert v2.bmp v2.raw |
| 16:19.40 | no_gravity | then "cmp v1.raw v2.raw" comes back empty. |
| 16:20.20 | no_gravity | Since I can't look at the .raw images, I don't know if the conversion worked though. |
| 16:21.02 | no_gravity | renaming the .raw files to .bmp files lets me open them in gimp. Strange. |
| 16:21.04 | Ein | convert to tiff maybe? |
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| 16:22.00 | no_gravity | cmp on the renamed files says they differ again \o/ |
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| 16:23.07 | no_gravity | Just copying the files to new files with .raw endings makes cmp say they are the same. |
| 16:23.10 | no_gravity | What's going on? |
| 16:23.35 | brick | that's not copying, that's stripping out anything but the pixels |
| 16:23.48 | brick | sounds like the BMPs you generate have some headers |
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| 16:24.19 | Ein | maybe run strings on both files and compare the output? |
| 16:25.00 | no_gravity | Ein: Comes back empty. |
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| 16:26.29 | no_gravity | It's strange that .raw files can be opened as .bmp files. |
| 16:26.38 | no_gravity | How does GIMP know the dimensions? |
| 16:26.39 | Ein | ok, compare hexdumps with xxd |
| 16:26.56 | no_gravity | Ein: how? |
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| 16:27.52 | Ein | xxd file1 > file1.hex; diff file1 file2 |
| 16:28.09 | no_gravity | umm .. what? |
| 16:28.26 | Ein | diff file1.hex file2.hex |
| 16:28.40 | no_gravity | Maybe this? xxd <(xxd v1.bmp) <(xxd v2.bmp) |
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| 16:28.53 | no_gravity | Maybe this? diff <(xxd v1.bmp) <(xxd v2.bmp) |
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| 16:29.09 | Ein | xxd is a hexdumper, xxd file > file_in_hex.hex |
| 16:29.11 | no_gravity | comes back empty! |
| 16:29.23 | no_gravity | How can that be? |
| 16:29.38 | no_gravity | Ah no! |
| 16:29.42 | no_gravity | It shows a difference. |
| 16:29.53 | no_gravity | Nothing readable in the diff. |
| 16:30.17 | Ein | because it is in hex, the point is that the two bmp files differ |
| 16:30.25 | no_gravity | Yes, they differ. |
| 16:30.39 | no_gravity | That's the whole problem :) |
| 16:30.42 | no_gravity | I will try TIFF files. |
| 16:30.56 | Ein | how many lines? |
| 16:31.10 | Ein | i bet it is a pixel here or there |
| 16:31.15 | no_gravity | Something like 50 I would say. |
| 16:31.24 | no_gravity | I don't think the pixels differ. Where should the difference come from? |
| 16:32.35 | Ein | lets see what the tiffs say |
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| 16:34.14 | brick | no_gravity, RAW files only contain pixels, no headers. if the RAW versions of the two images do not differ, then the difference was in the metadata instead of the image content. |
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| 16:35.11 | no_gravity | brick: Yes, that confirms my belief that the images do not differ. |
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| 16:35.37 | no_gravity | brick: Although I am a bit sceptical about the raw files because GIMP opens them as bmp files. I wonder where it got the dimensions from. |
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| 16:37.41 | no_gravity | With out-format=tiff, cutycapt produces 0 byt files. |
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| 16:41.30 | brick | the question about the dimensions is an interesting one. sounds a lot like the integer factoring problem in cryptography. |
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| 16:42.04 | brick | perhaps there are heuristics like, 786432 pixels => 1024x768 |
| 16:43.05 | Ein | anyone familiar with multipath-tools? |
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| 16:43.21 | no_gravity | brick: I doubt it. |
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| 16:43.38 | Ein | i have a problem with a FC shelf where all the devices have the same WWID, 3 |
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| 16:50.32 | RoyK | Ein: do you mean WWN? |
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| 16:56.08 | Iridos | just updated to stretch… now all the gtk menues are missing the "enter location" option D: |
| 16:57.33 | Iridos | great… now I can click 7 levels deep from somewhere for adding attachments to an email |
| 16:57.43 | Iridos | instead of copying it from the shell that I have already open |
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| 17:02.06 | no_gravity | Funky, it looks like the images *did* differe. |
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| 17:02.29 | no_gravity | There is a startup animation on the page and it seems the renderings happened at a slightly different time. |
| 17:02.41 | no_gravity | Adding a longer wait time solved it. |
| 17:02.55 | no_gravity | Strange that it was not visibile in GIMPs substraction. |
| 17:03.05 | no_gravity | And that converting the BMPs to raws make them equal. |
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| 17:05.19 | tempate | Hello. I'm having issues with Debian 9's audio. Using an iMac (late 2013). Everything used to work well, but I've rebooted and now I can't hear anything. I've tried checking all controls with both pavucontrol and alsamixer but nothing seems to work. |
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| 17:06.36 | otwieracz | Hi. |
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| 17:07.04 | otwieracz | I've got /boot on vfat partition - and this causes every kernel update to fail due to unable to make backup link of './boot/System.map-4.13.0-1-amd64' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 17:07.28 | otwieracz | Is this *somehow* possible to tell dpkg not to do backups? |
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| 17:07.48 | otwieracz | I really don't need those and I'd rather not create extX boot only for kernels… |
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| 17:10.04 | Ein | why is /boot vfat to begin with? |
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| 17:10.36 | otwieracz | It's also ESP. |
| 17:10.39 | otwieracz | (UEFI) |
| 17:11.11 | towo` | that is wrong |
| 17:11.12 | peterS | well I suppose you could just remove (or, really, rename) the System.map file manually before the upgrade |
| 17:11.37 | towo` | efi needs a /boot/efi as separate partition |
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| 17:11.48 | towo` | not /boot itself as vfat |
| 17:12.23 | otwieracz | Well, it just requires extra partition then |
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| 17:12.43 | tempate | I somehow managed to hack it, never mind |
| 17:12.59 | peterS | you _could_ just leave /boot as part of the root partition, and have a separate /boot/efi |
| 17:13.10 | peterS | so, still an extra boot partition, but not _two_ extra boot partitions |
| 17:13.23 | tempate | I also wanted to ask. Is there any difference between Debian's 8 Chromium and 9? I'm having tons of lag now, something that didn't use to happen. |
| 17:13.35 | otwieracz | Except the case when you have LUKS. |
| 17:14.13 | peterS | yeah I suppose LUKS on the root partition does need a separate /boot. I was just thinking of other complications like LVM, MD, ZFS ... those are all handled nowadays. |
| 17:14.39 | Ein | i don't think LUKS requires a seperate boot |
| 17:14.51 | Ein | its all handled by initrd |
| 17:15.04 | peterS | Ein: yeah and what loads the initrd, which lives in /boot? |
| 17:16.25 | otwieracz | Ein: and where's you initrd then? :) |
| 17:16.41 | otwieracz | If no separate boot, then only other choice is ESP… :) |
| 17:16.57 | peterS | maybe he writes it to some spare bytes in CMOS (: |
| 17:17.23 | otwieracz | :) |
| 17:17.58 | peterS | tempate: I don't know specifically what has changed, but debian 8 had chromium 57.0.2987.98-1 and debian 9 has chromium 61.0.3163.100-1, so... presumably there's been some upstream changes at least |
| 17:18.09 | Iridos | well… seems this https://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/cwd/ has stopped working… and the possibility to enter a file location vanished |
| 17:18.11 | Iridos | meeeeh |
| 17:18.30 | Iridos | anyway, I never read that before and stuff was configured to let me enter a location |
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| 17:19.56 | tempate | peterS: yeah, that's what I figured. I've tried running it without hardware acceleration but it's still not working properly. Let it be known that my connection to the internet is pretty good (45 mbps) (using ethernet) |
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| 17:20.54 | tempate | peterS: it's just running at 6 fps |
| 17:22.08 | tempate | would reinstalling or installing Google Chrome make a difference? |
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| 17:22.55 | peterS | dunno. I mostly use firefox. Though I may have to jump ship soon when ff 57 intentionally breaks all the plugins. |
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| 17:23.21 | tempate | tries firefox |
| 17:24.07 | tempate | peterS: hmm, firefox does work correctly |
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| 17:24.22 | tempate | that's weird. for the past few days it was firefox the one giving me issues |
| 17:24.28 | tempate | Thank you anyway |
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| 17:30.11 | Iridos | mmh. as far as I see, the option has been removed… or … isn't present https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html |
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| 17:41.15 | Nothing4You | is debian.net an official debian domain? |
| 17:41.42 | Nothing4You | i can't access https://paste.debian.net because of an SEC_ERROR_OCSP_SERVER_ERROR |
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| 18:03.25 | sanmarcos | I have a wheezy installation, should I update to stretch directly? |
| 18:03.28 | sanmarcos | or to jessie first? |
| 18:03.48 | theparadoxer02 | i have debian 14.04 32 bit and i am now updgating it to 16.06 |
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| 18:04.11 | theparadoxer02 | since i have 64 bit version, will the newly updated version will be of 64 bit ? |
| 18:07.17 | dax | sanmarcos: i'd upgrade to jessie, check to make sure there's no broken packages and everything looks fine, then go to stretch |
| 18:07.29 | crash_ | theparadoxer02: you mean ubuntu? you are in wrong channel |
| 18:07.32 | dax | theparadoxer02: those aren't debian version numbers, you might want to try that again |
| 18:07.37 | sanmarcos | dax: thank you |
| 18:07.40 | dax | (not Ubuntu either, it's 16.04 there not 16.06) |
| 18:08.57 | kion | what are typical things to install on a system running on a laptop, for you know, closing the lid, etc...? |
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| 18:14.06 | DrWatson | Debian Sid user here having the same problem ? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=879821 |
| 18:14.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/879821 in libgles1-glvnd-nvidia (open): «libgles1-glvnd-nvidia, libgles-nvidia1: upgrade failure to 375.82-6»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-10-26; last modified: 2017-10-26. |
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| 18:14.37 | DrWatson | hah seem so ^ |
| 18:14.57 | Brigo | DrWatson, for sid and testing support use #debian-next in OFTC network |
| 18:15.04 | DrWatson | ah ok |
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| 18:31.25 | sanmarcos | any ideas why virtualhosts stop working in apache when upgrading to jessie from wheezie? |
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| 18:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | sanmarcos: 2.2 -> 2.4 without the compatibility module. |
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| 18:51.00 | jhutchins_wk | sanmarcos: Some configuration syntax changes. |
| 18:51.09 | jhutchins_wk | sanmarcos: Particularly allow/deny. |
| 18:51.53 | sanmarcos | jhutchins_wk: fixed it, itwas *.conf |
| 18:51.58 | sanmarcos | on Include sites-enabled/*.conf |
| 18:52.11 | awal1 | any idea where I can config firefox to "force" it touse ctrl+shift+q for quit (like chromium) instead of ctrl+q? O r that is done during build process? |
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| 18:52.57 | jhutchins_wk | sanmarcos: Oh, requires that the file have that extension? |
| 18:53.10 | jhutchins_wk | sanmarcos: I actually use that as a feature. |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins_wk | awal1: That's internal. |
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| 18:54.35 | awal1 | jhutchins_wk, internal you mean exactly code/build stuff? |
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| 18:59.45 | davis | hello |
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| 19:00.06 | davis | I am trying to write some code to use a later version of libcurl than is currently in debian stable |
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| 19:01.02 | davis | i figure I could migrate to unstable or possibly pull down the libcurl source and build my own version. I could have two copies of the lib installed right? just point my code to a new lib dir. |
| 19:01.44 | greycat | Does unstable *have* the version that you want to use? |
| 19:02.13 | davis | greycat: im not certain. I imagine it does since the current version is dec 2016 |
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| 19:02.27 | greycat | well, start by finding that out |
| 19:02.33 | davis | btw long time since I have talked to you. /tip of the hat greycat |
| 19:03.09 | davis | if I pulled the libcurl source, and built it myself, I could have my code simply use that library right? |
| 19:03.35 | greycat | You would probably want to REMOVE any Debian libcurl*-dev packages, if you choose to go that route. |
| 19:03.49 | davis | sounds good |
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| 19:11.31 | jhutchins_wk | awal1: Exactly. |
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| 19:58.46 | cluelessperson | I have an application that logs in automatically and runs "startx", then through xinitrc starts an application |
| 19:58.54 | cluelessperson | but the application runs at 640x480 ? |
| 19:59.01 | cluelessperson | instead of 1080p when I run these commands manually |
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| 19:59.33 | Trel | I give up, to modify my $PATH variable for use with XFCE where the heck do I put it, .bashrc, .profile, nor .xprofile seems to run on xfce4 login. And if I put anything (even a blank file) for ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc, it kicks me back to the login |
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| 20:05.26 | cluelessperson | Trel: ~/.xinitrc |
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| 20:06.47 | Trel | Hold on, brb, trying that |
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| 20:07.20 | greycat | In Debian, ~/.xsession is preferred over ~/.xinitrc but I think the latter still works with startx only, for historical compat. |
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| 20:09.00 | Trel | cluelessperson and greycat, ~/.xinitrc did NOT run, I'll try moving it to ~/.xsession and trying again, brb |
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| 20:09.41 | cluelessperson | greycat: I don't get why the xinitrc winds up with a 640x480 window though |
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| 20:09.52 | Trel | No variant ran |
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| 20:10.13 | Trel | I'm at a loss here. |
| 20:10.53 | greycat | scrolls back to find Trel's question |
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| 20:11.09 | greycat | Trel: see https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 20:12.04 | Trel | Only thing I can think of there is that it's running an old session |
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| 20:12.21 | Trel | let me verify that |
| 20:13.16 | greycat | if you login via some gui display manager, you almost certainly want to put your PATH mods in ~/.xsessionrc (note: NOT ~/.xsession unless you go whole hog and create one of those to execute xfce by hand) |
| 20:13.38 | Trel | yes, I said it's lightdm |
| 20:13.47 | Trel | let me try ~/.xsessionrc |
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| 20:14.22 | sanmarcos | when updating from wheezy to jessie, I have to restart so systemd works right? |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | yes |
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| 20:14.44 | sanmarcos | greycat: thank you, missed that step! |
| 20:15.01 | greycat | you have to reboot after *any* upgrade, if you actually want the new kernel to run |
| 20:15.49 | sanmarcos | greycat: good to know after dist upgrade |
| 20:16.42 | sanmarcos | is there a way for systemctl restart service to give me some feedback if it aftually restarted OK or not? like /etc/init.d/file use to do? |
| 20:16.44 | Trel | I have to jet (literally) I'll check more when I land |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | sanmarcos: no |
| 20:17.04 | durg | i am not sure if i want systemd, seems a little bloated to say the least |
| 20:17.27 | sanmarcos | greycat: it seems like a usability drawback to me |
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| 20:18.40 | greycat | If it means so much to you, you can set up a shell function or script, like: rest() { systemctl restart "$1" && sleep 1 && systemctl status "$1"; } |
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| 20:21.31 | durg | yes, systemctl status <service> tells you if the service is running |
| 20:21.33 | ahmed751995 | excuse me,iam using xfce,and every time i use xarchiver to open rar files it tells me (the proper archiver is not installed!) i installed unar but i get the same result |
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| 20:28.31 | bytesquid | Hello! After a security update to libraries that are in use by running processes, do I need to restart those processes/reboot? (I've always thought so, but if not that'd be very useful) |
| 20:28.38 | DammitJim | is there a venting room? |
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| 20:29.42 | greycat | bytesquid: depends on the programs, but if there's any doubt at all, just assume that yes, you need to restart those processes |
| 20:30.19 | greycat | libc6 updates typically prompt you to restart a bunch of daemons for this reason |
| 20:31.06 | awal1 | bytesquid, next time 'needrestart' |
| 20:32.03 | bytesquid | is there any way to get a listing of running processes using a library? I mean, aside from before the upgrade using apt-file to list files in the lib and lsof to check if they're open |
| 20:32.28 | greycat | there's lsof, but it may not cover dynamically loaded libs that haven't been loaded yet |
| 20:32.39 | greycat | if you're SUPER paranaoid, just reboot the entire system |
| 20:33.11 | bytesquid | Thanks! awal1, that looks cool, I'll look into that |
| 20:33.17 | bytesquid | But yes I am super paranoid and now rebooting my entire system lol |
| 20:33.47 | greycat | wonders what security update he hasn't seen yet |
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| 20:38.36 | bytesquid | greycat: I'm just wondering in general, though a curl update did just come out |
| 20:39.14 | greycat | yeah, I can't see myself rebooting for a libcurl "Fix IMAP FETCH response out of bounds read" thing, when I don't use IMAP anywhere. |
| 20:39.34 | soulz | moonboot |
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| 20:40.36 | greycat | actually, I do have one server running courier-imap, so I should probably restart that daemon |
| 20:40.49 | bytesquid | like I said |
| 20:40.51 | bytesquid | super paranoid |
| 20:41.05 | nkuttler | just reboot then |
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| 20:44.22 | bytesquid | nkuttler: I just did |
| 20:44.54 | bytesquid | I use an IRC bouncer, so I guess no one saw me disconnect |
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| 20:46.09 | ZSky | Hi! is npm installed by default on debian? |
| 20:46.25 | ZSky | I don't remember since i installed long ago |
| 20:46.37 | nkuttler | ZSky: no |
| 20:46.51 | ZSky | yep |
| 20:47.01 | Megaf | Folks, I'm migrating my /usr to a different partition, my problem is, how can I delete current /usr after the new one is set up and mounted? |
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| 20:47.11 | Megaf | nkuttler, it is not |
| 20:47.18 | Megaf | Sorry, I mean, ZSky |
| 20:47.23 | ZSky | thanks guys |
| 20:47.52 | nkuttler | Megaf: boot some live image or something, and do the rm/fstab edit from there |
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| 20:48.09 | nkuttler | Megaf: or maybe boot into single user mode |
| 20:48.32 | Megaf | I managed to do that once with the system running |
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| 20:49.26 | random_numbers | So I found that eclipse is still fairly outdated. Is someone still working on packaging newer versions? |
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| 20:49.43 | sanmarcos | I am trying to start ipsec and I get RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported |
| 20:49.45 | sanmarcos | any ideas? |
| 20:49.56 | nkuttler | ,v eclipse |
| 20:49.57 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; buster: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10; stretch: 3.8.1-10 |
| 20:50.22 | nkuttler | sanmarcos: you need more privileges? are you root? |
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| 20:50.39 | nkuttler | sanmarcos: you have something like selinux installed? |
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| 20:50.53 | nkuttler | check your sys/kernel logs |
| 20:50.59 | Megaf | random_numbers, I strongly recommend using eclipse from it's website |
| 20:51.08 | Megaf | and running from a local directory |
| 20:51.19 | Megaf | I'm in the same situation |
| 20:51.26 | sanmarcos | nkuttler: ok, it could be selinux |
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| 20:51.28 | sanmarcos | nkuttler: I am root |
| 20:51.32 | sanmarcos | nkuttler: which loogs |
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| 20:51.50 | random_numbers | Megaf: I decided to try netbeans but while it seems more up to date, the fonts seem screwed up. |
| 20:52.08 | Megaf | Same for netbeans, use the one from Oracle |
| 20:52.09 | nkuttler | sanmarcos: wherever selinux logs to |
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| 20:53.26 | sanmarcos | nkuttler: hwo do I see if I have selinux enabled? |
| 20:53.41 | dimde | Where can I set the number of tries that I get for cryptsetup before it goes to sleep for 60s? |
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| 20:55.44 | random_numbers | Megaf: Are they uberjars? |
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| 21:01.43 | Megaf | random_numbers, I don't know what you mean by uberjar |
| 21:02.56 | random_numbers | Megaf: Java packages that include all of their own dependencies. |
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| 21:07.29 | sanmarcos | I think I did bastille on this debian isntallation long ago |
| 21:07.31 | sanmarcos | and it is now fucked |
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| 21:29.40 | aura | i'm getting: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'usb' while running a python command |
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| 21:30.04 | aura | i read ithave something to do with debian being in another pyusb version |
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| 21:34.07 | jhutchins | aura: What release are you on. |
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| 21:36.11 | aura | testing |
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| 21:36.45 | aura | python is already the newest version (2.7.14-1). |
| 21:37.03 | qqqqqqqqq9 | How do i enable middlebutton emulation on wayland |
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| 21:37.44 | jhutchins | aura: I would say testing is missing a bit. Check for a bugreport, if none file one. |
| 21:38.03 | jhutchins | aura: You can also check in #debian-next on oftc.net, they might know of a workaround. |
| 21:38.38 | aura | ok thanks |
| 21:38.44 | jhutchins | aura: Then again, it could be a module that you have not installed, I'd check before filing. |
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| 21:45.24 | aura | think i found it |
| 21:45.35 | aura | Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement xserver-xorg-input-evdev (from versions: ) |
| 21:45.35 | aura | No matching distribution found for xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 21:47.21 | aura | ops |
| 21:47.24 | aura | forget about it |
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| 22:01.45 | tx_ | Is there a reccomended minimum hardening guide for jessie 8.9? if so - where? Been trolling for a while and can't find much beyond the obvious |
| 22:03.23 | annadane | i guess the stock answer is probably something like apparmor/selinux |
| 22:03.34 | annadane | if there is such a hardening guide i haven't found it |
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| 22:03.51 | durg | and also unattended-upgrades probably |
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| 22:07.03 | annadane | that's not really hardening |
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| 22:07.26 | annadane | i mean, there's https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 22:07.59 | annadane | but that wiki page looks way, way too technical to be practical |
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| 22:23.08 | durg | it is not really hardening but keeping the system more secure |
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| 22:32.40 | Megaf | IMHO the best way of keeping your server secure is only having installed what's absolutely necessary for your application, only running what's needed when needed. Only having ports open via NAT when you need them. And keeping your system always update |
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| 22:32.58 | Megaf | Preferably using LTS software |
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| 22:42.51 | QuadBad | Be back soon guys |
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| 22:45.01 | jack-- | HI everyone, I just finished re-installing debian and this time I chose gnome as DE. I was reading about the latest releases etc. and I was wondering about gnome-shell. What is the difference between the DE gnome and gnome-shell? Can they both be installed on the same system? |
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| 22:45.13 | jack-- | I was reading online about it but hey, I'm getting a bit confused :'D |
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| 22:45.51 | annadane | my guess is gnome is a metapackage which includes other features whereas gnome-shell is just gnome without added applications, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 22:45.54 | annadane | lemme look it up |
| 22:46.39 | jack-- | As far as I understood shell had more advanced features, but I'm wondering wether installing them both will create a conflict |
| 22:47.00 | annadane | gnome "This metapackage depends on the standard distribution of the GNOME desktop environment, plus a complete range of plugins and other applications integrating with GNOME and Debian, providing the best possible environment to date. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome and compare to https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-shell " |
| 22:47.02 | mtn | jack--: no. gnome-shell is part of a gnome desktop |
| 22:47.35 | jack-- | Ah, so I should have it already right? |
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| 22:48.01 | mtn | jack--: yup, if you installed gnome |
| 22:48.13 | jack-- | does it have a gui? |
| 22:48.35 | mtn | jack--: yes, gnome has a gui. why did you install it if you have no idea what it is? |
| 22:48.39 | jack-- | I was looking it up in the apps, but it's not showing up. Maybe I just don't have the gui installed I guess? |
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| 22:49.04 | mtn | jack--: does your gnome desktop boot to a desktop? |
| 22:49.06 | jack-- | I did not install it yet |
| 22:49.11 | mtn | jack--: ah |
| 22:49.33 | mtn | jack--: you know wikipedia has a chapter on gnome and any other desktop ;) |
| 22:49.38 | jack-- | I was afraid I'd break something so even though I was tempted to try it out, I avoided installing it hahah |
| 22:50.30 | Droid2Debian | I am having an issue with synaptic /apt-get the following pastebin post says it all https://pastebin.com/L6ERySBj |
| 22:51.05 | jack-- | mtn: is the gui of gnome-shell included in the debian 9.0 netinst? |
| 22:51.26 | jack-- | (assuming you choose gnome as a DE, of course) |
| 22:51.32 | mtn | jack--: you can install almost all of the des using the netinstaller. gnome included |
| 22:51.48 | mtn | jack--: they are not already on the netinstall, though. they will be downloaded |
| 22:52.31 | Droid2Debian | os disc probably has stretch dvds already? |
| 22:52.54 | mtn | Droid2Debian: os disk? what do you mean? |
| 22:53.03 | Droid2Debian | yep |
| 22:53.16 | mtn | Droid2Debian: that is not a yes/no question ;) |
| 22:53.45 | jack-- | That's what I mean. I did choose gnome as DE, the netinst did its thing, then when I booted to gnome I looked up "gnome-shell" in the apps, and it's not there. I'm supposing the gnome-shell gui isn't included in the gnome package |
| 22:54.09 | Droid2Debian | If you want a cheasp method that isn't so bandwidth intensive |
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| 22:54.18 | mtn | jack--: does your gnome desktop boot to a desktop? |
| 22:54.22 | mtn | jack--: yes or no? |
| 22:54.33 | jack-- | mtn: yes |
| 22:54.42 | mtn | jack--: then it has a gui, right? |
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| 22:56.20 | jack-- | unless I am hallucinating yes. |
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| 22:56.42 | mtn | jack--: then all is well. for more info, open synaptic and search for gnome-shell |
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| 22:58.34 | jack-- | mtn: Yes, thanks btw |
| 22:58.56 | mtn | jack--: welcome |
| 23:00.06 | jack-- | I understand now that it was a silly question, there couldn't possibly be a gnome without gnome-shell |
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| 23:11.41 | Shmam | Whenever I plug my laptop into power, the screen sleeps and it needs to be woken up by pressing on the keyboard. I think it must be a udev rule that got messed up but I ran "grep -rnw '/lib/udev/rules.d' -e 'power_supply'" and got no results which means that none of the rules are referencing the power system right? |
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| 23:13.30 | durg | sounds more like an acpi event |
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| 23:13.46 | Shmam | how would I check that? |
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| 23:16.09 | durg | i'm not sure, maybe there is something in /etc/acpi |
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| 23:18.02 | durg | i didn't install it unfortunately |
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| 23:21.46 | durg | however, it seems you can check the current status at /proc/acpi |
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| 23:34.55 | Droid2Debian | Anyother aspiring Developers/testers in here? |
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| 23:37.35 | jhutchins | !anyone |
| 23:37.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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