| 00:00.10 | mnuhmnuh | thi's debian. fsck off if else. |
| 00:00.35 | Delimo | lmao stfu dork |
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| 00:01.24 | dax | !ops Delimo is Adnol |
| 00:01.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dax complains about a problem (see above) |
| 00:01.40 | Delimo | Im gay |
| 00:01.43 | dax | (network-wide pain in the ass) |
| 00:01.48 | Delimo | stfu dax |
| 00:01.54 | Delimo | you triggered homomophobe |
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| 00:03.26 | themill | dax: thanks |
| 00:03.29 | dax | np |
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| 00:08.01 | Coolternet | anyone know a website to generate a preseed file ? |
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| 01:01.10 | CanDoo | alright. i fixed my gnome-shell issue. |
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| 01:01.46 | CanDoo | it was some funcky config setup in ~/.config very strange |
| 01:01.55 | CanDoo | once i reset that directory I was all good |
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| 01:10.17 | ngc0202 | it seems my ~/.profile isn't getting sourced |
| 01:10.25 | ngc0202 | what do I have to do to enable that? |
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| 01:26.03 | mnuhmnuh | -rw-r--r-- 1 keeling keeling 566 Aug 31 08:50 /home/keeling/.bash_profile |
| 01:26.19 | mnuhmnuh | chmod 644 ... |
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| 02:11.21 | AndrewPRS | guys one question... I am running debian 9 and if I try to do a big copy of files, for example rsync -a music /mnt/sdcard |
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| 02:11.35 | AndrewPRS | the system stops responding correctly |
| 02:11.37 | johnkeates | the problem is with your SD card |
| 02:11.57 | AndrewPRS | why would my system start responding slowly? |
| 02:11.59 | johnkeates | you are using a storage medium that is not fast enough to process your request |
| 02:12.17 | AndrewPRS | but I don't understand why my music stops playing |
| 02:12.25 | johnkeates | so other tasks can no longer be executed fast, including loading music files |
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| 02:12.40 | johnkeates | also, if you use up all CPU cycles, that stops other processess too |
| 02:12.58 | AndrewPRS | shouldn't the system schedule the priorities properly? |
| 02:13.01 | johnkeates | it does |
| 02:13.02 | AndrewPRS | so that the ui doesnt hang? |
| 02:13.04 | johnkeates | no |
| 02:13.12 | AndrewPRS | why not? |
| 02:13.14 | johnkeates | rsync doesn't consider the UI |
| 02:13.18 | AndrewPRS | ahh I see |
| 02:13.32 | AndrewPRS | should I use any UI aware copying system then? |
| 02:13.41 | johnkeates | it might help for low power systems |
| 02:13.59 | AndrewPRS | I am on a regular PC |
| 02:14.01 | johnkeates | but if you have a weak CPU and weak storage, basically anything can become too hard for the system too handle |
| 02:14.11 | AndrewPRS | but on windows it is fine |
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| 02:14.20 | AndrewPRS | it is a linux specific problem |
| 02:14.29 | johnkeates | then it's a configuration issue + rsync doing whatever it wants causing everything to wait on that |
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| 02:14.57 | johnkeates | i guess someone will come and help in a sec |
| 02:15.01 | AndrewPRS | and is there any way to set it up properly? |
| 02:15.04 | AndrewPRS | ahh ok |
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| 02:17.42 | AndrewPRS | looks like it's a long standing issue |
| 02:17.42 | AndrewPRS | https://lwn.net/Articles/682582/ |
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| 02:22.19 | EnchanterTim | Aha! |
| 02:22.23 | EnchanterTim | I finally made progress |
| 02:22.29 | EnchanterTim | 2017-10-30 02:19:40 login_saslauthd_server authenticator failed for localhost (hi) [127.0.0.1]: 435 Unable to authenticate at present: cannot connect to saslauthd daemon at /var/run/saslauthd/mux: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.36 | EnchanterTim | I thought I enabled sasld auth server |
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| 02:27.00 | EnchanterTim | Apparently the service wasn't runing even though I thought it was. |
| 02:27.02 | EnchanterTim | *sigh* |
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| 02:52.34 | EnchanterTim | YES! I got it working! Finally. |
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| 03:17.41 | binary106 | hey how can i cp some files as root into /home/ubuntu, and have the resulting files respect the owner of that directory for the new files |
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| 03:23.00 | anhr | lkjlkjlkj |
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| 03:27.16 | n4dir | binary106: chown |
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| 03:35.34 | r3 | just wanted to put my 2 cents in about having to use BitTorrent to download a LiveCD version of Debian. [ see https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ] ... not having a BT client handy, I selected the first suggestion [ from https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ ] "Azereus" and was redirected to download Vuze. Vuze has a very poor setup routine and even though I did an "Advanced" install, I believe |
| 03:35.35 | r3 | it was responsible for installing the WebDiscoverBrowser which then caused a) a stable Win10 system to crash and b) was picked up by Malwarebytes as a PuP and subsequently quarantined. |
| 03:36.26 | r3 | sorry, that was 25 cents. 2 Cents: Don't like it. 0/10. Won't do again. |
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| 03:40.03 | dvs | take back your dollar! lol |
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| 03:42.52 | r3 | would gladly pay more than a dollar to support more hosting so that BT isn't needed and could download an .iso like the net install... |
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| 03:44.21 | n4dir | r3 the debian*live* CD is really kind of in-official. |
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| 03:44.37 | n4dir | wrong word, but there ain't a very strong focus on it. |
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| 03:46.55 | r3 | hrm. The only reason I trusted Azereus (and then Vuze) was that they were linked from the debian.org website. I would have maybe taken more time to research a better BT client/installer/etc. if debian.org HADN'T suggested I use that one. Yes, there were two others, but the link to BitTornado caused Malwarebytes to block the site, and the link to BitTorrent (the 3rd suggestion) wasn't as |
| 03:46.55 | r3 | shiny, I guess. |
| 03:47.05 | n4dir | whom to ask about the problem behind it (azereus being recommended and doing shitty things) i wouldn't know. But here, in a user support channel, no one can do much about it. (besides someone "official" is per incident around) |
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| 03:47.54 | annadane | #debian-www on oftc maybe |
| 03:47.56 | r3 | sure, I understand, n4dir. But I thought I would share anyway, and maybe tell folks to maybe not trust that link from the debian.org site and don't install Vuze. |
| 03:48.21 | n4dir | r3 got you. I was only doing a bit of chat. I see your problem (rather: the general problem) |
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| 03:48.47 | n4dir | you might wanna give annadane s idea a try |
| 03:49.31 | r3 | I sure do appreciate this channel and the support it provides and would never blame my misadventures on anyone but myself. I might try that other channel, or maybe send an e-mail (for all the good that will do.) :) |
| 03:50.38 | n4dir | When i tried windows i ran into similar problems all the time. Made me appreciate good repos even more. |
| 03:51.03 | n4dir | but it sure shouldn't be advised as a torrent browser on a debian website, imho. |
| 03:51.52 | r3 | generally maybe someone involved with the debain.org website might not want to show their support (via an innocuous link) for a BT client that does shady things :\ But as a long term windows professional, I understand more than most the harm a poor installer (or a good installer doing bad things) can do. |
| 03:52.46 | r3 | anyways - thanks for letting me vent, thank goodness for logs and Malwarebytes. :) Cheers |
| 03:53.03 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 03:57.15 | annadane | r3, i feel like it's almost certainly an accident. an email you probably should send because they're probably not aware of it |
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| 03:59.41 | n4dir | same thought here. |
| 04:00.42 | r3 | I might do that, but I will try it again - this time on a firewalled virtual system - and see if in fact that Vuse was responsible. What makes me feel even more foolish, is that if I would have looked on my secondary system, I have uTorrent installed, but just had forgotten about it from disuse... |
| 04:02.02 | blink2 | I started broadcasting from my web camera. Please send me the "ft" private message (query): "/privmsg blink2 :ft" if you want to watch my broadcast. |
| 04:03.15 | r3 | (I am 90% certain it was Vuse, as new programs don't get installed on my main system. Once it is how I like it, nothing new goes on it - but I made a rash decision as I was focused on the project in front of me) |
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| 04:03.24 | r3 | anyway. |
| 04:03.27 | r3 | cheers :) |
| 04:03.49 | annadane | blink2, not an advertising channel |
| 04:03.49 | r3 | annadane: if I can verify it, I will for sure send an e-mail |
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| 04:05.35 | n4dir | i would omit the info about debian-live, to avoid confusion (like the one i have run into above). |
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| 04:07.40 | blink2 | ÐÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
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| 04:15.09 | TimeTraveler | hi |
| 04:15.51 | TimeTraveler | hey does anyone here have a librem notebook? |
| 04:16.27 | r3 | n4dir: well the debian-live is the only place where one is required to use a BT client, but I see your point |
| 04:17.19 | n4dir | yeah, hence i ranted, but then figured out that the recommendation is from the debian.org site (that you *can* use torrents to download the install isos too. I never do that, hence i got confused. My fault) |
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| 04:18.29 | r3 | right, aye :) cheers |
| 04:19.48 | TimeTraveler | anyone have any thoughts on librem machines? |
| 04:20.25 | annadane | TimeTraveler, do you have a support question or are you just looking for hardware reviews? because if you're looking for reviews there's #debian-offtopic, unless your question is "how well does it run debian" or "will it run debian" |
| 04:20.38 | TimeTraveler | yes |
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| 04:58.42 | TimeTraveler_ | hi |
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| 04:59.00 | TimeTraveler_ | hey why isnt utox in the debian repo? |
| 04:59.14 | TimeTraveler_ | does anyone use a tox client on debian? |
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| 04:59.38 | TimeTraveler_ | h |
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| 05:01.08 | n4dir | i did use it. iirc there was a repo for utox for debian |
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| 05:04.51 | dude42 | Good day, I am on Debian Stretch and trying to enable a systemd user unit with: systemctl --user enable <unit>, but I get the following error: |
| 05:04.53 | dude42 | Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory |
| 05:05.27 | dude42 | Additional information: this is via a remote SSH connection on a Xen domU, with SELinux enabled. |
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| 05:05.47 | dude42 | any advice would be appreciated |
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| 05:06.15 | TimeTraveler_ | is it good n4cht ? |
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| 05:28.12 | youjelly | Hi, so I'm having trouble dialing using wvdial and a usb model (huawei e3372h), when I plug it in, the network manager detects it and can dial and connect successfuly, but there's no /dev/ttyUSBxx interface so I can't dial using wvdial command, adn wvdialconf cycles through /dev/ttyS0-3 but can't detect a modem |
| 05:28.16 | youjelly | any clue? |
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| 05:28.49 | velix | I really don't understand why this isn't fixed in latest Debian: bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long |
| 05:28.56 | glick | wow youjelly? are you living in 1993? |
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| 05:29.24 | youjelly | no, just trying to make a mptcp router |
| 05:29.25 | glick | velix, what are you trying to do |
| 05:29.35 | velix | glick: move tones of files from one dir to another. |
| 05:29.42 | velix | glick: I'm doing it with find and -exec |
| 05:29.45 | glick | what command are you using? |
| 05:29.53 | velix | glick: mv dl/* . |
| 05:30.07 | velix | glick: I'm doing it with find right now. |
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| 05:30.46 | glick | doesnt sound like a type of operation youd want to use exec for |
| 05:30.55 | glick | usually you use exec to perform something on each file |
| 05:31.03 | glick | not move it |
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| 05:31.19 | velix | glick: are you new to unix? |
| 05:31.31 | velix | glick: find ... -exec mv -t targetdir/ {} + is pretty common. |
| 05:31.53 | glick | velix, no im not new to unix |
| 05:32.26 | velix | glick: ok. This solution is pretty normal, since the "Argument list too long" is there for about 15 years I'm using linux based OS :( |
| 05:32.26 | glick | what in the ellipsis? |
| 05:32.58 | glick | velix, if it was pretty 'normal' and common i think in 15 years it would be fixed |
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| 05:33.05 | glick | so your doing something that isnt normal, or wrong |
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| 05:33.13 | velix | Yeah, I'm doing it worng :))) |
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| 05:33.20 | glick | i dont know. whats in the ellipsis |
| 05:33.27 | glick | your leaving out half the command |
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| 06:03.32 | youjelly | glick: any idea? |
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| 06:06.20 | glick | youjelly, ? |
| 06:06.23 | glick | idea about what |
| 06:06.44 | youjelly | why can the network manager detect and dial using the USB modem, yet wvdial can't even detect it |
| 06:07.27 | glick | youjelly, if you do a dmesg after you plug it in, it should say what device it is in the file system |
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| 06:10.10 | youjelly | yeah I tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 06:11.38 | glick | and what does it say about the hardare |
| 06:12.26 | youjelly | "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-8 |
| 06:12.57 | youjelly | devices added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-8/1-8:1.0/net/enx0c5b8f279a64, iface: enx0c5b8f279a64) |
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| 06:14.46 | youjelly | usbserial 49152 0 <<module is loaded |
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| 06:15.04 | youjelly | but no /dev/ttyUSBxx |
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| 06:47.21 | jelly | youjelly: make sure usb-modeswitch is installed |
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| 07:04.31 | tesko | i got massive data loss when debian decided my freebsd-update then apt autoremove decided to delete nearly my entire computer's everything |
| 07:04.56 | tesko | not freebsd apt get |
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| 07:07.25 | themill | That would be why it asks you for confirmation first. |
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| 07:24.26 | AquaL1te | anyone else has problems with postfix since the update of one week ago? opendkim was already very poorly packaged, but now postfix is acting strange as well. port 25 and 587 are not listening while they are enabled in the master.cf |
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| 07:25.12 | jelly | AquaL1te: which debian release? |
| 07:25.23 | AquaL1te | 'stable' |
| 07:25.46 | jelly | AquaL1te: what does "lsb_release -sc" say, and which version of postfix package? |
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| 07:26.18 | AquaL1te | it's the latest greatest stuff, but i'll check for you |
| 07:26.52 | AquaL1te | postfix 3.1.6-0+deb9u1 on stretch |
| 07:27.05 | jelly | that seems okay. |
| 07:27.21 | jelly | telnet localhost 25 still works for me. |
| 07:27.31 | jelly | so check the logs. |
| 07:27.45 | jelly | /var/log/mail.log |
| 07:28.07 | AquaL1te | jelly: everything is fine, in ss it simple doesn't list the sockets, but they are enabled in the configs. logs don't show anything either |
| 07:28.17 | AquaL1te | configs didn't change |
| 07:28.30 | AquaL1te | simply upgrading is the only change |
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| 07:29.03 | AquaL1te | but i'll check it... it's probably because of the messed up way opendkim was packaged and probably the rest of it |
| 07:29.19 | jelly | AquaL1te: do a service postfix stop && service postfix start, and pastebin the logs that appear. Also pastebin the output of "postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" |
| 07:29.30 | jelly | !paste |
| 07:29.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:29.43 | jelly | AquaL1te: preferably all in a single pastebin entry |
| 07:29.59 | AquaL1te | service commands? no it's okay, thank you for your help jelly |
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| 07:31.23 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 07:36.10 | jelly | AquaL1te: don't need service output, just want to see what your logs say when postfix gets started |
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| 07:38.46 | AquaL1te | after systemctl restart postfix dovecot opendkim postgrey: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/U4bcpWiPjGeZ0XlU6F-yHA |
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| 07:39.13 | AquaL1te | everything seems to start fine jelly, magically it doesn't establish sockets for port 25/587 |
| 07:41.02 | jelly | AquaL1te: can you show just /var/log/mail.log, and stop and start just postfix, and also "postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" output? |
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| 07:43.23 | AquaL1te | this is the problem: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/ri0ej8fsz7Qj5ehaLERzbg |
| 07:43.28 | AquaL1te | that's quite amazing :D |
| 07:43.32 | jelly | AquaL1te: your last pastebin shows no postfix lines at all, just a few duplicated lines for other services in two files. |
| 07:44.17 | AquaL1te | i'm done with debian... really appreciate your help, but this mostly it for me :P |
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| 07:45.51 | themill | So reading /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian isn't an option |
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| 07:48.16 | AquaL1te | themill: debian shouldn't touch these files. this is amateur stuff. sorry you can't see this. |
| 07:48.19 | jelly | notes that "service postfix stop && service postfix start" would have done the right thing |
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| 07:48.25 | morphyeys | hello guys |
| 07:48.42 | morphyeys | I've tried to install Debian 9.2 using the network installer, but it couldn't connect to the internet |
| 07:48.59 | morphyeys | may you give me some tips on how to connect to internet in order to install Debian 9.2 using the network installer |
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| 07:49.42 | babilen | AquaL1te: Why is that? And i'm sure it would be appreciated if you would provide the information you were asked for (if you genuinely want help that is) |
| 07:49.44 | jelly | AquaL1te: debian has supported multiple instances of postfix for a while, before systemd integration; using a service generator seems a logical way to do it |
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| 07:51.33 | AquaL1te | jelly: hmmm okay, then it's somemthing else. buttom line is that debian started changing systemd system files and etc files and now it doesn't work anymore |
| 07:51.44 | jelly | AquaL1te: I didn't even remember about it, and the commands I asked you to run would have restarted the thing on stretch and allow to provide useful info |
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| 07:53.07 | jelly | but seeing as you're not keen on following instructions and providing actual info, I'm gonna let someone else help |
| 07:54.26 | AquaL1te | jelly: it uses systemd, that's why i skipped the service commands |
| 07:55.05 | jelly | you thought you knew what you were doing |
| 07:55.31 | morphyeys | guys may you try to help me please? |
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| 07:56.04 | jelly | morphyeys: what kind of internet connection does your system have, wired, wireless? |
| 07:57.02 | morphyeys | wired |
| 07:57.20 | AquaL1te | it seems it works now... first i 'fixed' the systemd file (removed the /bin/true) and reloaded the systemd unit configs. then it worked again. then after reading that hasn't changed in a while i switched it back, another reload of the systemd daemon and then the postfix unit file. now everything works again... very strange... i rebooted already a few times. maybe the daemon-reload wasn't done in the post |
| 07:57.26 | AquaL1te | script of the deb package. |
| 07:58.09 | AquaL1te | jelly: i don't see why someone should be using service commands on a systemd system. can you add the reason? |
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| 07:58.26 | jelly | AquaL1te: they would have worked. |
| 07:58.59 | jelly | AquaL1te: because backward compatibility. Otherwise, you'd have to read /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian |
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| 08:00.03 | jelly | and then figure out the actual service for a single instance installation is named like postfix@-.service |
| 08:00.45 | babilen | (tab completion works here) |
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| 08:01.24 | jelly | morphyeys: wired ought to, in general, work, if your local network has a working dhcp server |
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| 08:01.54 | morphyeys | it isn't working |
| 08:01.57 | morphyeys | so what can I do? |
| 08:02.22 | jelly | morphyeys: where does it fail? Can you configure a static ip address instead? |
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| 08:03.52 | morphyeys | I have no idea how |
| 08:04.00 | morphyeys | the install is just failing using the net install |
| 08:04.13 | morphyeys | because it can't connec to the internet and I have no clue how to connect it manually |
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| 08:10.02 | RoyK | hi all. seems like one of my drives is failing. I keep getting a bunch of errors in dmesg http://paste.debian.net/993343/, and I have earlier used a script, http://paste.debian.net/993344/, http://paste.debian.net/993345/, to find what ataX refers to as of device name, but I'm rather lost now. Anyone that knows a good way to find which disk this is about? |
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| 08:24.53 | DK2 | im getting a mountall main process (677) terminated with status 127 when booting the server after grub |
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| 08:24.59 | DK2 | wtf? are the libs broken or what? |
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| 08:30.01 | fert_ | Hi⦠I just installed nvidia-cuda-toolkit. After it finished, I was asked to reboot and after doing so X didnât want to start anymore. Only get to see a blinking cursor⦠|
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| 08:38.52 | m712 | hello, trying to do a jessie -> stretch but it seems that libclucene's name was changed, which causes everything to explode (aptitude asks to remove libreoffice, g++ (?!), firefox, vlc, etc.) how can I resolve this? |
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| 08:42.24 | nkuttler | m712: paste.debian.net command + error |
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| 08:43.25 | nkuttler | m712: see also https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status |
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| 08:50.11 | fert_ | nevermind⦠got X back up & running⦠|
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| 08:54.16 | dexta | gm |
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| 08:56.58 | DK2 | nkuttler: yes system hangs there, because it cannot start the mountall process |
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| 09:00.35 | nkuttler | DK2: well, boot into single user mode and figure out why |
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| 09:49.20 | SerkanDevel[m] | How does one enable anti-aliasing on debian stretch lxqt? |
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| 09:57.44 | srandon111 | hello all, how can i manage manually compiled programs ? |
| 09:57.49 | srandon111 | is there some program to do this ? |
| 09:58.02 | srandon111 | also on how to install multiple versions of the same program... |
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| 10:26.52 | fcanela | hello, is there any problem with official repos at deb.debian.org? |
| 10:27.09 | fcanela | [91mE: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cross-toolchain-base/libc6-mips64el-cross_2.24-10cross1_all.deb 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable [IP: 13.32.150.100 80] |
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| 10:30.14 | babilen | dpkg: deb.debian.org |
| 10:30.15 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 10:30.34 | babilen | fcanela: You can try a different mirror or just wait for deb.debian.org to recover/redirect you to a different one |
| 10:31.19 | fcanela | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.22 | babilen | fcanela: It looks like a problem with the mirror you are being redirected to |
| 10:33.36 | haroon_ | Hi I'm trying to set up a wifi connection using a raspberry pi and a rtl8811au wifi dongle. I managed to install the drivers and it shows up in $ip a, but when I try to see networks using $nmcli dev wifi list, no networks show up. I'm using networkmanager and I also enabled wpa_supplicant. Anyone has a idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 10:34.36 | fcanela | babilen: thanks, I will wait a little bit and if it is not resolved I'll try to solve it by myself |
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| 10:35.55 | babilen | fcanela: See https://www.debian.org/mirror/list for a list of worldwide mirrors - not sure why you are having issues on Amazon CloudFront now |
| 10:36.24 | fcanela | babilen: a build have just been marked as correct, so it is probably solved |
| 10:36.31 | babilen | +1 |
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| 10:36.40 | fcanela | thanks, babilen :) |
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| 10:36.58 | babilen | Generally speaking it's probably the best meta mirror to use right now, but there can be issues |
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| 10:37.57 | fcanela | first time it made me think about it, so it is enough stable for us :) |
| 10:38.25 | babilen | Good to hear. I hope it doesn't come up again. May you have a nice day! |
| 10:39.18 | babilen | It's definitely the apt configuration I'd use in automated builds |
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| 10:55.56 | rawruw | how do you turn on/off someting from autostart in /etc/init.d/? |
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| 11:09.01 | Wulf | rawruw: "systemctl disable rawruw.service" |
| 11:09.11 | jeffmr | For my earlier question about getting apps in gnome to work in stretch I found that I had to install and then generate locales and then set them to EN UTF 8 UTF 8. After rebooting most of the programs opened and showed text and picture. |
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| 11:10.21 | rawruw | Wulf: but in the old system though? before systemd |
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| 11:11.50 | Wulf | rawruw: update-rc.d |
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| 11:11.58 | rawruw | by the way.. how does dpkg handle dependencies? let's say that you install dpkg -i sompething.deb and it has the dependency ncurses, what happens then? |
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| 11:12.08 | Wulf | rawruw: it will complain |
| 11:12.18 | Wulf | rawruw: usually after half installing your something |
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| 11:21.22 | bionix | I'm King of the North. |
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| 11:23.20 | rawruw | bionix: >:( you are my sworn archenemy, I will fight you and defeat you. I will put an end to your tyranny. |
| 11:24.03 | rawruw | Wulf: why install via dpkg then? can yum install .deb and resolve the dependencies? |
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| 11:37.59 | cujotus | debian rocks |
| 11:38.29 | diego__ | hello, I have an issue using network manager: it happens that the desktop applet reports "NetworkManager" is not running; checking the status of the service NetworkManager reports it has been terminated with ABRT signal; checking the logs it seems the assertion on this line http://sources.debian.net/src/network-manager/1.6.2-3/src/devices/wifi/nm-wifi-utils.c/#L782 fails; running wicd instead works fine, so it should not be hardware or fi |
| 11:38.29 | diego__ | rmware problem; this happens in both jessie and stretch, in wheezy worked fine |
| 11:38.48 | cujotus | :) |
| 11:40.02 | obiwahn | hi is see a network device like 'enp7s0' |
| 11:40.14 | obiwahn | where can i find the device in /dev |
| 11:40.24 | obiwahn | or better how can i use with mii-tool? |
| 11:41.29 | obiwahn | i get some info via 'udevadm info -e | grep -A 11 ^P.*enp' and 'lspci -s' |
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| 11:54.19 | Wulf | rawruw: what's a "yum"? |
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| 11:54.51 | Wulf | obiwahn: it's not in /dev. |
| 11:55.03 | jmsbnd | yum is apt alternative from rpm-land |
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| 11:58.06 | obiwahn | no it is not in /dev |
| 11:58.22 | obiwahn | otherwise i wouldn't be asking here |
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| 12:01.22 | at0m | obiwahn: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames |
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| 12:05.19 | obiwahn | how does that help me? |
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| 12:06.20 | rawruw | Wulf: lol.. haha.. I mean apt-get |
| 12:06.37 | rawruw | Wulf: why not use apt-get to install local .deb packages to resolve dependencies? |
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| 12:11.29 | obiwahn | dpkg -i *deb; apt-get install -f |
| 12:11.29 | dpkg | removes a liver from obiwahn and replaces it with *deb; apt-get install -f |
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| 12:39.41 | wendy1 | !list |
| 12:39.41 | dpkg | wendy1: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:40.06 | disposable2 | i want to be able to see the 10 busiest processes on my machine over the last 24 hours (including processes that are no longer running). are there tools meant for just that? |
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| 12:51.35 | jolt | disposable2: It's an excellent question, but I don't have any good answers more than run top in some interval and save the output |
| 12:52.02 | disposable2 | jolt: there's atop, but i'm looking for alternatives too |
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| 12:55.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | disposable2, usually this is done with monitoring software like Nagios or Zabbix |
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| 12:57.42 | disposable2 | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe i haven't searched hard enough but all i've seen for zabbix were hacks around 'top'. |
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| 12:59.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | disposable2, you might also want to check out perf, then. It has a separate recording function. |
| 13:00.06 | jolt | This looks nice, but depends on ruby: https://scoutapp.github.io/scout_realtime/ |
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| 13:07.48 | yenyen | do i need special drivers for amd gpus? |
| 13:08.08 | abrotman | yenyen: you may need firmware |
| 13:08.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell yenyen about radeon |
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| 13:09.29 | yenyen | wow thanks |
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| 13:12.18 | yenyen | so they are installed by default |
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| 13:15.17 | abrotman | yenyen: no |
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| 13:16.35 | yenyen | i'm in buster and both xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-radeon were there |
| 13:16.54 | yenyen | libgl1-mesa-dri* |
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| 13:25.04 | yenyen | mmmm not sure if they are running or not |
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| 13:27.14 | babilen | yenyen: And you read <radeon firmware> and installed firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 13:27.30 | yenyen | non free? |
| 13:27.38 | babilen | yeah |
| 13:27.46 | yenyen | i heard there are open source drivers |
| 13:27.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | The firmware ain't. |
| 13:28.06 | babilen | Much like your processor the GPU unfortunately also requires firmware |
| 13:28.26 | babilen | (holds true for a lot of hardware) |
| 13:28.32 | yenyen | ssshit |
| 13:28.44 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 13:28.44 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 13:28.59 | babilen | ^ would be the non-free bits for your processor |
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| 13:29.32 | yenyen | mmm |
| 13:29.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | There's also a bunch of non-free ACPI code on your mobo that your Linux interprets. :) |
| 13:30.36 | yenyen | i see |
| 13:31.07 | babilen | You upgrade that code by flashing new firmware .. For processors the kernel can sideload it (if it has been released by Intel/AMD) and for your graphics card you have to install it explicitly |
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| 13:31.41 | yenyen | i don't think i need these though |
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| 13:32.02 | babilen | It's rather tricky to get a complete free box nowadays ... I'd like to see a split in the "can avoid" non-free packages and the "cannot avoid" non-free packages in the Debian archive |
| 13:32.43 | babilen | yenyen: Well, "need" is obviously up to you |
| 13:33.01 | babilen | Performance is typically horrible without it or you miss other features (for other hardware) |
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| 13:34.31 | yenyen | previously i was running an nvidia card without firmware |
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| 13:34.37 | yenyen | and it was fine |
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| 13:36.23 | yenyen | now i'm confused |
| 13:36.39 | n4dir | Not sure. I mostly got intel graphic chips, so if i decide to not use wireless (or use the supportetd dongle), then avoiding non-free doesn't seem difficult |
| 13:36.42 | yenyen | i both need the drivers and the firmware support right? |
| 13:37.28 | RedSoxFan08 | babilen: Yeah, it's very difficult to have a completely free computer. Secure Boot and Intel ME don't help in that regard. |
| 13:38.29 | babilen | RedSoxFan08: Absolutely .. https://puri.sm/ is quite nice, but also quite expensive |
| 13:39.30 | yenyen | dpkg tell me about Readon again |
| 13:39.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell yenyen -about radeon |
| 13:39.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell yenyen -about radeon firmware |
| 13:40.40 | yenyen | c_c |
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| 13:41.14 | babilen | yenyen: You can ask the bot itself with "/msg dpkg FOO" |
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| 13:48.38 | toha | system fsck failed |
| 13:48.59 | toha | how to solve this problem |
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| 13:51.56 | shastry | toha, I would try booting with a pen-drive, trying a fsck+repair on the disk from there. |
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| 13:54.30 | linuxthefish | dpkg tell me about dpkg |
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| 13:54.48 | toha | Okay I ill try . Actually the problem home folder mount faild .. |
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| 13:55.22 | linuxthefish | dpkg wtf |
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| 13:56.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linuxthefish about dpkg |
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| 13:57.53 | linuxthefish | oh |
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| 13:58.01 | zin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.48 | abrotman | linuxthefish: generally, /msg dpkg foo |
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| 14:00.09 | zin | hi |
| 14:00.18 | linuxthefish | zin, without the first space |
| 14:00.20 | n4dir | zin: i think you got a space at the beginning of the command, and i think that won't work. |
| 14:00.32 | zin | thank uu |
| 14:00.37 | linuxthefish | /msg NickServ REGISTER |
| 14:01.31 | zin | hi |
| 14:01.37 | linuxthefish | hi |
| 14:01.40 | zin | anyone there |
| 14:01.43 | zin | ?? |
| 14:01.46 | linuxthefish | yes |
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| 14:02.13 | zin | please tell me the code for installing apps from repo in kali2.0 |
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| 14:02.36 | zin | im getting the error E:unable to locate.............. |
| 14:02.42 | linuxthefish | try "apt-get update" |
| 14:02.42 | SirLagz | !kali |
| 14:02.42 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 14:25.32 | SerkanDevel[m] | How do install the ubuntu-font with apt-get? |
| 14:26.36 | abrotman | is it packaged for Debian? |
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| 14:28.03 | awal1 | no ubuntu fonts in debian :P |
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| 14:46.28 | raidghost | It seems to be a pingtimeout day |
| 14:46.44 | RedSoxFan07 | raidghost: Yeah, it does. |
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| 14:50.13 | teemo | Hello |
| 14:50.32 | teemo | https://ibb.co/noLqO6 |
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| 14:50.44 | teemo | Why does my screen look like that after boot? |
| 14:50.58 | teemo | After grub* |
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| 14:51.20 | teemo | It says loading initial ramdisk, iirc then it chamges to that |
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| 14:58.38 | bigpresh | teemo: Is it a CRT monitor? Almost looks like it's not displaying the image right - dodgy hsync or something? |
| 14:58.51 | bigpresh | (Not used one for a *long* time, but I have vague memories of such oddities) |
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| 15:01.41 | giampli | Hi all, so I'm trying to setup a multi screen in debian, one is plugged in my motherboard the other is plugged in a Nvidia 750 ti. My problem is that i tried every possible guide, driver etc lspci see the two vga, but xrandr can see only one screen... |
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| 15:03.25 | rant | giampli: is module nv loaded? has it claimed the pci card? |
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| 15:04.58 | giampli | rant: Nouveau is loaded, i can see it in lsmod. But how i see if it has claimed the pci? |
| 15:05.18 | rant | giampli: dmesg output should show the card being loaded |
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| 15:05.43 | RedSoxFan07 | rant: Is Nouveau the one that supports Optimus? Or is that proprietary driver? |
| 15:06.23 | rant | RedSoxFan07: nouveau is the open source nvidia driver idk what it supports specifically, see modinfo |
| 15:06.41 | babilen | Don't think it works well with optimus |
| 15:06.50 | babilen | (but I haven't checked that in ages) |
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| 15:07.25 | rant | I never really used it.. it was very new when I had nvidia hw and it was having all those fb issues |
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| 15:08.00 | RedSoxFan07 | rant: Okay. |
| 15:08.05 | RedSoxFan07 | babilen: Okay. |
| 15:08.09 | RedSoxFan07 | rant: Oh, okay. |
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| 15:08.45 | RedSoxFan07 | I know there's a program called Bumblebee which takes care of Optimus, but I don't know which program incorporates it or if it's a stand-alone program. |
| 15:08.58 | babilen | RedSoxFan07: See https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee for optimus related information |
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| 15:09.12 | RedSoxFan07 | babilen: Muchas gracias |
| 15:09.39 | giampli | rant: so, Nvidia card it's claimed by nouveau, but the other pci the one connected to the motherboard say "no bridge control possible" apparently it uses vgaarb, but after it is enabled by i915 |
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| 15:09.51 | babilen | You can use it with nouveau or the proprietary driver (bumblebee / bumblebee-nvidia). I think I've mostly seen it being used with the proprietary one. |
| 15:10.41 | RedSoxFan07 | babilen: Yeah, I've heard the proprietary one provides better performance. |
| 15:11.27 | RedSoxFan07 | Especially for games. And I think it allows you to overclock your GPU. Though the open source driver might allow and facilitate overclocking as well. |
| 15:11.32 | rant | giampli: are you trying to use both these screens as a xinerama on same server or have hotseat with two different sessions? |
| 15:12.19 | tw | nv is better, amdgpu is questionable. |
| 15:13.12 | giampli | rant: I don't really know what are you talking about, I'm quite new on debian... I think the correct response it's that I'm trying to using it as a xinerama |
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| 15:14.51 | giampli | rant:now that i know what a xinerama is i can say yes, I'm trying to use it as a xinerama |
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| 15:16.27 | rant | giampli: does your nvidia card have multiple outputs? |
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| 15:17.27 | giampli | Yes, not vga and i havent cable for hdmi or similar |
| 15:17.28 | zxd | i accidently moved libpcre.so.1 to libpcre.so.1.bak |
| 15:17.30 | zxd | ! |
| 15:17.33 | zxd | what to do |
| 15:17.59 | tw | giampli: you probably don't want xinerama. That's the old way of making a single virtual screen. paste.debian.net your xrandr -q output. |
| 15:18.00 | digdilem | mv libpcre.so.1.bak libpcre.so.1 |
| 15:18.09 | rant | giampli: it is in theory possible to use an integrated gfx with a discrete gfx in dual screen setup but first it will require custom configuration and secondly its likely to be very painful using two different cards. In my experience, which is many years outdated both Intel and open source nvidia drivers are crap |
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| 15:19.04 | rant | intel in particular have huge memory issues that result in screen scrambling all by themselves |
| 15:19.37 | rant | giampli: simpler option all around and freeing up your shared memory from the intel card would be to just get an adapter or cable and run both displays off the nvidia card |
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| 15:20.06 | rant | less likely to have issues, and easier to configure because it uses only one card and driver |
| 15:20.18 | tw | rant: that'd be really surprising considering the number of modern laptops running intel igpu. |
| 15:20.31 | zxd | digdilem: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak mv /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1 |
| 15:20.34 | zxd | mv: cannot move â/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bakâ to â/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1â: Permission denied |
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| 15:20.53 | zxd | digdilem: try moving /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1 to /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak |
| 15:21.14 | digdilem | zxd, do it as root or sudo. if that doesn't work, copy it and set permissions, or boot to a rescue cd and do it from there |
| 15:21.49 | rant | tw: yes I keep hearing intel support has improved drastically.. and my last experience was a 945gma on an acer netbook so.. thats not ideal situation :P however I still have read many recent forums indicating intel gpus still having these issues with pixelated gfx, lockups, etc |
| 15:21.58 | giampli | rant: i can't understand why, but in my xrandr -q there's only one screen connected. And i really can't understand why on arch in can see both screen |
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| 15:22.42 | rant | giampli: its likely that the x server is not auto-detecting the other screen, for some reason its just preferring the simpler approach of getting one to work |
| 15:22.49 | zxd | digdilem: can't sudo or su requires libpcre.so.1 |
| 15:23.00 | rant | giampli: you'd need to paste the xorg.log to see whats going on |
| 15:23.16 | tw | zxd: try su -s /bin/dash |
| 15:23.31 | jelly | zxd: try to log in as root at the console |
| 15:24.24 | giampli | rant: Can't find any xorg.log |
| 15:24.40 | rant | giampli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:24.41 | tw | giampli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:25.14 | rant | tw: we're gonna need to review the tape on that one.. flash finish there.. |
| 15:25.15 | zxd | tw: su -s /bin/dash |
| 15:25.15 | zxd | Segmentation fault |
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| 15:25.54 | zxd | strangly ldd /bin/dash dosen't show it needing libpcre.so.1 but strace says it tries to open it |
| 15:26.20 | babilen | Can't you preload it for that also? |
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| 15:26.44 | tw | babilen: he can't PRELOAD with su, it's stripped by suid. |
| 15:26.50 | babilen | If all else fails, fire up a live distro and fix it from there |
| 15:26.55 | tw | zxd: try from console as jelly suggested. If you can't get in, you're going to need to use a rescue disk. |
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| 15:28.09 | jelly | zxd: which debian release is this? |
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| 15:29.31 | jelly | /usr/lib64 sounds rather old |
| 15:29.34 | cybrNaut | There are many Chromium-based browsers popping up lately which remove the privacy-abusive features of stock Chromium. But my attempt at "aptitude search '~d chromium'" is came up dry, and only shows the official (dodgy) version |
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| 15:30.22 | cybrNaut | i guess i'm limited to 3rd party repos at this point.. any good Debian packages based on Chromium? |
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| 15:30.36 | awal1 | is Sebastian Reichel around? |
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| 15:31.34 | rant | cybrNaut: are you just assuming this chromium package has whatever features you're concerned about or did you actually investigate? Debian packages are highly modified |
| 15:31.50 | zxd | jelly: it's fedora |
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| 15:32.17 | tw | !fedora |
| 15:32.17 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net. http://fedoraproject.org/ |
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| 15:34.41 | cybrNaut | rant: i didn't realize a debian package would make significant changes to what's upstream |
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| 15:35.04 | jelly | zxd: they may build their stuff with different options than debian, and that can affect the options you have available to work around this issue. Best ask in #fedora or ##linux (or just fire up a livecd/liveusb, mount and fix) |
| 15:35.33 | jelly | I doubt their /bin/sh is dash, for one thing |
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| 15:38.15 | rant | cybrNaut: then you dont know much about Debian.. because our maintainers hack the crap out of most things when they package them.. how do you think we wind up with same version numbers for 2 years or more? You think we just hang on to all kinds of security flaws the whole time? |
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| 15:39.13 | davis | I'm trying to build some code which uses a mix of system libs and one lib i have built myself. |
| 15:39.15 | tw | rant: browsers are a little different. I think the maintainers package the upstream release because of the sheer number of patches they'd have to go through. |
| 15:39.23 | zxd | jelly: dosen't matter if dash or not can't become root |
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| 15:39.28 | davis | to get the new include and lib for my custom build lib, I added this to compile and link lines |
| 15:39.44 | davis | -I/home/.../custom/usr/local/../include and -L/home/.../custom/usr/local/lib |
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| 15:39.53 | davis | so the code compiles but fails to link |
| 15:39.57 | tw | zxd: The problem is we couldn't even replicate your error if we wanted to. |
| 15:40.02 | davis | it looks like its finding the new code in link stage but not finding existing libs. |
| 15:40.12 | tw | zxd: there's so many system differences, it'd be a waste of everyone's time. |
| 15:40.13 | davis | ie. /home/davis/progs/notmine/curl/lib/version.c:104: undefined reference to `zlibVersion' |
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| 15:42.04 | rant | tw: it may be so, I'm just pointing out that without investigating what privacy issues, and if they actually exist in the package, you can't just go believing everying you read on the internet |
| 15:42.05 | cybrNaut | rant> cybrNaut: then you dont know much about Debian <= this is why i'm here -- and it would have be here, b/c privacy-centric browser reviews certainly aren't making any mention of Debian's variation of Chromium being an option |
| 15:42.38 | srandon111 | how can i check which program generated a specific configuration file in my home ? |
| 15:42.45 | srandon111 | e.g., if i have .randomfile in my home... |
| 15:42.51 | srandon111 | how can i know who generated this ? |
| 15:42.55 | rant | cybrNaut: I'll admit our browser choices in Debian are limited.. and if you're really concerned about privacy then maybe you should look into tor-browser or such |
| 15:42.56 | jelly | davis: if you want any help, pastebin the whole output of the build process, or at the very least the whole ld command and output |
| 15:43.13 | jelly | srandon111: in general, you can't |
| 15:43.26 | rant | cybrNaut: just dont believe everything you read without looking into it first.. figure out what features specifically, then check our changelogs and such |
| 15:43.27 | cybrNaut | rant: tor browser is what i'm fleeing from |
| 15:43.45 | giampli | rant:the only (EE) in my log (other that not found chipset 117) in that it can't load nv module, but i font know what is it |
| 15:43.52 | rant | cybrNaut: ah. I found tor browser to be pretty good aside from being very paranoid.. |
| 15:45.15 | rant | giampli: nv is the open source noveau driver, and that error would be why you dont see that card in your xrandr output.. try manually unloading/loading nv with modprobe -r nv; modprobe nv then check the tail end of the dmesg log for any errors |
| 15:45.16 | cybrNaut | tor browser is based on firefox, so inherits the lack of security features in that respect w/out adding anything significant -- then torproject naively stripped out profiles, which actually improve security not hinder it. Please the torbrowser popup nags are annoying |
| 15:46.09 | cybrNaut | rant: chromium is substantially better than firefox w/security features.. it's just the privacy intrusive features that they embedded that need to be stripped out.. then you have something that is secure and privacy-respecting |
| 15:46.33 | shtrb | chromium is not the privacy enabled version ? |
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| 15:46.50 | rant | cybrNaut: you do realize chromium is not chrome right? |
| 15:47.28 | cybrNaut | rant: afaik, the difference between chrome and chromium is zero w.r.t. google's data feed that phones home |
| 15:47.44 | somiaj | rant: nv and noveau are different open drivers, nv is the older driver that doens't get much support these days. nouveau would be prefered. |
| 15:47.51 | cybrNaut | otherwise there would be no reason to strip privacy intrusions from ChromIUM |
| 15:47.58 | giampli | rant: when i try to load it, it say that module nv isn't founded, even if i have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed |
| 15:48.25 | cybrNaut | there are 6 popular chromium forks i'm considering, which de-googlify chromium |
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| 15:49.04 | hiya | cybrNaut: which one is the best? That works with Amazon PrimeVideo? |
| 15:49.19 | celyr | google chrome is the bet |
| 15:49.24 | celyr | best* |
| 15:49.46 | celyr | you can stick some black tape on the screen where is wrote google if this bother you |
| 15:49.57 | cybrNaut | hiya: so far i've just put the list together (ungoogled-chromium, iridium, epic, comodo dragon, brave, and inox) |
| 15:50.10 | cybrNaut | no idea how they stand up next to each other yey |
| 15:50.11 | cybrNaut | *yet |
| 15:50.36 | hiya | cybrNaut: hmm. I think Brave is good option out of those |
| 15:50.55 | EnchanterTim | Hello good morning, I am setting up roundcube, and when I go to delete my email, it says: Server Error: UID MOVE: Mailbox doesn't exist: Trash (0.000 + 0.000 secs). |
| 15:51.12 | cybrNaut | hiya: one thing I read about brave (in wikipedia) is that they block ads, then place their own ads |
| 15:51.23 | EnchanterTim | It seems when I try to delete an email, the dovecot or roundcube, one of those I think, is unable to create a trash folder |
| 15:51.27 | EnchanterTim | Could this be a permission issue? |
| 15:51.35 | hiya | cybrNaut: lol |
| 15:51.39 | hiya | it is nice idea |
| 15:51.43 | EnchanterTim | I have virtual mailboxes in /var/vmail/ and the perms seem ok |
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| 15:52.14 | EnchanterTim | http://forum.centos-webpanel.com/aplications/roundcube-mailbox-doesn't-exist-trash/ I wonder |
| 15:52.28 | cybrNaut | hiya: so someone should fork Brave, and strip out their ads |
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| 15:52.43 | cybrNaut | at least they'd have a better starting point than forking Chromium |
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| 15:57.21 | EnchanterTim | $config['create_default_folders'] is the setting |
| 15:58.22 | rant | giampli: video drivers have to parts, that part is the xserver driver, nv is the kernel driver |
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| 15:59.10 | rant | giampli: you should have nv in your kernel.. paste on paste.debian.net the output of uname -a; modinfo nv |
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| 15:59.35 | somiaj | giampli: nv is not the same as nouveau. If using nouveau you need the nouveau kms module loaded and the nouveau xorg driver. You should nto be using 'nv' |
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| 16:08.53 | giampli_ | rant: so here it is my xorg.conf generated with Xorg -configure |
| 16:08.54 | giampli_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/993415 |
| 16:09.14 | giampli_ | rant: and that's the log of xorg |
| 16:09.20 | giampli_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/993414 |
| 16:09.36 | rant | somiaj: thanks for chiming in. I thought they were the same. |
| 16:09.43 | giampli_ | rant: i could't find any error |
| 16:10.24 | rant | I gotta head out soon, and have things to do to get ready so I'm far from comitted to working thise out |
| 16:10.42 | somiaj | giampli: if using nouveau you should not have to generate an xorg.conf file, it would be best to use an empty file and see if the nouveau is automatically detected. |
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| 16:10.53 | giampli_ | rank: no problem. thank a lot |
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| 16:11.16 | somiaj | empty, or just a non-existant file should be fine on most systems for nouveau. |
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| 16:11.40 | giampli_ | somiaj: yes, nouveau is detected but intel not used, so it work only one screen. |
| 16:12.16 | somiaj | giampli_: so you want to use two different graphics cards? |
| 16:12.18 | giampli_ | somiaj: with the xorg generated it's intel who take control |
| 16:12.46 | giampli_ | i've one screen on the mb and one on my nvidia 750 ti |
| 16:13.03 | somiaj | I would use a blank config file, and then use xrandr --list-providers to see if both cards are seen by xrandr. If so then you can configured xrandr to use both cards |
| 16:13.52 | giampli_ | somiaj: no they aren't if i leave it blank |
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| 16:17.18 | somiaj | if xrandr is not seeing both cards with a blank config, it may not be possible to configure both to work with xrandr. Unsure if it is worth trying to use the depriciated xinemra for this. |
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| 16:21.02 | binary106 | hi my boss wants me to "encrypt the server" but on a big-picture level I can't think how this would make it more secure.. because the decryption key will be on the server hard disk right? |
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| 16:25.48 | abrotman | binary106: yes, it would. The idea is the disks cannot be pulled and used elsewhere. Or if you sell the used disks, the data should be more secure if they disks are not correctly wiped. |
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| 16:26.32 | binary106 | thanks - does that apply even with Digitalocean VPS |
| 16:27.06 | binary106 | wait, if they pull the disks.. wont they have the decryption key though? |
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| 16:27.21 | binary106 | or are you assuming TPM would be used? |
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| 16:28.28 | FinalX | if it had been a physical server, you could've used things like TPM or even a more easy-to-use Nitrokey to have the key stored in that. |
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| 16:29.01 | binary106 | Nitrokey sounds interesting :D is it usb? |
| 16:29.45 | binary106 | ooh that sounds like the new Google UFA |
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| 16:34.09 | awal1 | how can I get all pkgs available on debian OS? |
| 16:34.18 | awal1 | via cli |
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| 16:34.31 | babilen | Define "get" |
| 16:34.36 | awal1 | libs excludes |
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| 16:34.54 | awal1 | list them all , babilen |
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| 16:35.28 | awal1 | something like dpkg -l including non installed |
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| 16:36.20 | awal1 | i mean all the GNU/Linux software available in debian |
| 16:36.47 | EnchanterTim | you can use aptitude to browse packages |
| 16:36.57 | awal1 | I know |
| 16:37.06 | awal1 | it is for school purposes |
| 16:37.26 | babilen | What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:38.11 | EnchanterTim | you can try to list all the available packages like this maybe: apt-cache search ^.* |less |
| 16:38.23 | babilen | dpkg: homeworl |
| 16:38.23 | dpkg | babilen: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:38.25 | babilen | dpkg: homework |
| 16:38.29 | dpkg | somebody said homework was something you should do yourself. |
| 16:39.24 | EnchanterTim | It's okay to ask for help. |
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| 16:39.44 | EnchanterTim | You're still doing your own work. No one is doing it for you. But it's okay to ask for help. |
| 16:39.49 | awal1 | well, what I want is list all what I can list going to https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages (list all pkgs available in stabble, testing, unstable) but via cli not going to debian website |
| 16:40.38 | Nekojimi | awal1, I think apt-cache might be the command to look into |
| 16:40.48 | EnchanterTim | I told him the exact command. |
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| 16:41.09 | Nekojimi | Oh sorry, didn't see :P |
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| 16:41.43 | awal1 | EnchanterTim, that will not list pkgs available in other repos not present in my sources.list :P |
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| 16:42.11 | EnchanterTim | untrue |
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| 16:42.57 | awal1 | hm, I was just guessing. |
| 16:42.57 | EnchanterTim | It will even list packages you downloaded and installed using dpkg -i |
| 16:43.12 | EnchanterTim | You're making me type more and that annoys me. |
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| 16:43.24 | awal1 | hm, ok, sorry :) |
| 16:43.49 | awal1 | let me check apt-cache man |
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| 16:44.06 | awal1 | I doubted bcoz I was googling and havent found a good answer |
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| 16:45.03 | babilen | awal1: Why do you need a list of *all* packages? Wouldn't it suffice to be able to ask about specific ones? |
| 16:45.03 | awal1 | then I said "it can't so easy such as apt-cache search ^.* " |
| 16:45.26 | EnchanterTim | Why would a homework assignment ask you do something no one would ever really do. |
| 16:45.30 | babilen | And how is this related to school? I mean what's the end goal and what is your homework? |
| 16:45.38 | EnchanterTim | Do you not fully understand the assignment? |
| 16:45.47 | EnchanterTim | Confusing! |
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| 16:45.55 | awal1 | babilen, it is a atter of comparing gnu-linux distros and available software for a samall scholl reserch |
| 16:46.36 | FinalX | binary106: yeah, it's usb :) https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop |
| 16:46.43 | awal1 | well, the point is how to do it not why :P |
| 16:47.06 | awal1 | thanks guys :P EnchanterTim (Y) |
| 16:47.12 | EnchanterTim | *nod* |
| 16:47.15 | binary106 | i wonder if they took the disks, they'd just take the usb dongle too |
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| 16:47.49 | FinalX | binary106: well, you'd unlock the private key with a PIN, and if there's more than X wrong PIN attempts, the private key space is destroyed |
| 16:48.02 | FinalX | binary106: if the physical device is tampered with, the private key space is also destroyed |
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| 16:48.47 | FinalX | plus you can keep a backup at home/office and restore it to a new nitrokey, too |
| 16:48.52 | binary106 | that's inconvenient in a data center |
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| 16:49.27 | FinalX | howso? people shouldn't be abusing/misusing the physical key. if it wouldn't get destroyed, someone could keep iterating until they got your key |
| 16:49.41 | FinalX | just keep a backup of the key in an offsite location (/safe) |
| 16:50.07 | FinalX | their cheapest option is $29 btw |
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| 16:52.14 | babilen | awal1: The point is that there are a myriad ways to achieve what you say you are after, but the best approach depends on your needs. As you can't seem to formulate them, there's little we can really do. |
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| 16:52.52 | binary106 | so in the UK there is a new law coming in May called GDPR which means we have to notify customers in case of a breach. But not if the hacker failed to decrypt the data. a) how would one tell if a hacker decrypted or not, b) how would you prevent a hacker decrypting when the dongle/key file is present in the same server |
| 16:53.22 | babilen | Much like many others laws and ongoing processes: The gov doesn't have a clue |
| 16:53.43 | binary106 | i know, all governments suck (what have any ever done to improve our lives?) |
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| 16:53.55 | binary106 | but the fines are 4% of worldwide annual turnover, so a lot. |
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| 16:54.34 | babilen | Well, I can think of many examples, but I can think of no way to answer the question "Has my data been decrypted?" |
| 16:54.54 | FinalX | a) if the hacker is good enough, you won't be able to tell unless you have very extensive logging that can perhaps log access to the private key and b) a key file by itself can be copied off the server silently, and often does not have a password or PIN (it should, though). A hardware dongle can not be copied but only physically removed. Access to the private key store often requires a PIN and attempts to |
| 16:54.57 | FinalX | access the data with wrong PINs, results in not being able to decrypt the data at all. |
| 16:55.29 | FinalX | Keep in mind that it's far more likely for you to have your encrypted disks fully readable by having them mounted in the first place. |
| 16:55.34 | binary106 | very nice, but how would the server reboot without a human present? |
| 16:55.43 | FinalX | So any attacker would just have to gain access to the server remotely to see the data, without having to decrypt it themselves. |
| 16:55.49 | FinalX | Disk encryption does not help you in any way there. |
| 16:56.01 | binary106 | indeed. Same story for mysql-level encryption? |
| 16:56.03 | FinalX | Disk encryption helps if your disks are physically obtained. |
| 16:56.13 | babilen | FinalX: The attacker might very well be exploiting a specific issue or throw the computing power of every computer on earth at the problem .. There is literally no way to answer the question of "Has it been decrypted?" if the data has been stolen |
| 16:56.26 | babilen | The best you can come up with is "highly unlikely" |
| 16:56.46 | FinalX | babilen: By default, all data IS usually already decrypted when it's mounted in the first place, so it's safe to assume the attacker doesn't have to decrypt the data. |
| 16:57.18 | binary106 | so dongle/tpm makes it highly unlikely for offline vector, so is a key file is a big no-no? |
| 16:57.42 | babilen | It's much easier to say "It has been decrypted" than it is to answer "It hasn't" (if this sounds familiar, I intentionally make that reference) |
| 16:58.00 | binary106 | indeed |
| 16:58.23 | binary106 | my battle is with my bosses. Their battle is upstream to government. |
| 16:58.35 | FinalX | you need to access your data, so in any case where *you* access the data, you already decrypted it *for* them. |
| 16:58.57 | FinalX | law enforcement does the same thing, as do corporate spies. |
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| 16:59.04 | babilen | binary106: In the end you'll have to figure out what's "good enough" and needed to comply with the law (there might not be much case law to rely on though) |
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| 16:59.31 | FinalX | it's much easier to just gain access to a sysadmin's details and use that to get into highly secure environments than do anything else, while things are still running, without anyone ever being the wiser |
| 16:59.41 | binary106 | i guess the boss wants "fully encrypted" but that is technically impossible right |
| 17:00.03 | FinalX | not if you still want to access your data |
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| 17:00.34 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 17:00.38 | babilen | But yeah, GDPR is a lot of work |
| 17:00.48 | binary106 | the workload is all this second-guessing |
| 17:01.04 | binary106 | i'm certain GDPR doesnt mean "get physical servers with TPM" |
| 17:01.13 | FinalX | I mean, my website has the highest security I can offer, my disks are very highly encrypted, and my websites are all containerized by themselves individually. But there's never a 100% guarantee that there's not some exploit in the site, and then a kernel exploit we don't know about, and the attacker gains access to the host system, then has full unlimited access to the unencrypted data. |
| 17:01.41 | binary106 | final, if i pulled your disks.. i couldn't decrypt?? |
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| 17:02.07 | MaxFrames | silly question but please bear with me: I have an arpwatch daemon on debian, which uses exim4 to send mail; the debian machine is not registered in any dns; I have problems sending email to certain recipients because their mail servers don't like my HELO message, and rightly so (the host only advertises as "hostname" without a FQDN) |
| 17:02.09 | FinalX | not without my hardware key, no. and my server only reboots when I want it to, and I have to enter my passphrase from serial console. |
| 17:02.18 | binary106 | ahh |
| 17:02.22 | binary106 | interesting |
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| 17:02.37 | binary106 | what is your system called? |
| 17:03.04 | MaxFrames | is there a way to configure exim4 to use a FQDN, and will a FQDN like "hostname.local" or the like suffice, or do I need to actually register my host in the DNS as a mail server with the appropriate records? |
| 17:03.23 | babilen | binary106: You will have a data protection officer and that person should⢠know how to ensure that your processes are compliant. We aren't done with that process, but for your specific issue the regulation says "unless the personal data breach is unlikely to result in a risk to the rights and freedoms of natural persons" |
| 17:03.41 | FinalX | plus our datacenter conforms to the ISAE3000 norms, verified personnel etc. |
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| 17:04.10 | babilen | binary106: We interpret that as: If encrypted data has been stolen, we do *not* have to notify (as it is unlikely that the encryption has been broken) |
| 17:04.13 | FinalX | binary106: what system? disk encryption? using LUKS for it, at the moment |
| 17:04.17 | MaxFrames | I mean, in order for a well configured remote mail server to accept mail from us, is it enough to have any dotted fqdn, even if it's .local or .whatever? |
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| 17:05.35 | binary106 | babilen: yea but how do you know they didnt steal the key too. Am I going to have to hire a guy to go round all my instances and type in passwords over serial? |
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| 17:05.54 | binary106 | one of the rights of citizens, is the right to be "forgotten" so depending how anal they are, they might include that |
| 17:06.06 | FinalX | binary106: whether encryption makes sense to protect against data being stolen from physically stolen disks, you should review where you server is hosted and their track record. imo you should always be doing it as a base. especially also because if you replace disks and toss the old one, that old one can be read if not encrypted by anyone that fishes it out of the garbage (or shred them..) |
| 17:06.47 | binary106 | ok. I hate laws. I've got zero taken away from this. I still don't know what to do with my VPS instances |
| 17:06.55 | FinalX | encryption for systems that are online on the internet, especially with websites running on them that are public-facing, will not offer that much security towards the "know if the attacker obtained encrypted or decrypted data", because that data will always be decrypted |
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| 17:07.36 | FinalX | VPS instances inherently can not be 100% secure, the hosting company always has some form of control over it. but you can make it decent enough. and the hosting provider also has to comply. |
| 17:07.48 | binary106 | ahhh i think i figured it, thanks to all your comments.. the "encryption" clause is for old hard disks at the landfill and in transit, yeahhh, since they WONT have the private key alongside them!! woot |
| 17:08.02 | FinalX | yeah |
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| 17:09.19 | FinalX | I had an incident some time ago where I rolled out an Ubuntu 16.04 LXC-container with /data auto-mounted into it. But it had a default passwordless "ubuntu" user in it with full sudo-permissions, without password even, by default as per the lxc-template.. so even though my disks were fully encrypted, they technically still had access to whatever data was in there, without me knowing. |
| 17:09.20 | thow | any clue why snmptrapd doesn't start? i get snmptrapd: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnetsnmptrapd.so.30: undefined symbol: my_progname |
| 17:09.35 | FinalX | (there was not really much in there that was sensitive at all, but still) |
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| 17:12.50 | binary106 | i wonder if LUKS can request the private key over TLS from a central server |
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| 17:13.15 | binary106 | so every boot i'd get a nice audit log, and it would hold key in RAM |
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| 17:13.41 | FinalX | binary106: I think technically it can use pcks11 and that can work with a remote server, there's some software that does that |
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| 17:14.01 | FinalX | binary106: I was thinking of actually making my own sort of HSM with a raspberry pi zero with that, hooked up with usb to my server |
| 17:14.15 | FinalX | forgot what it was called though |
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| 17:14.39 | binary106 | i mean keeping that Pi at a different site would make sense to me |
| 17:15.05 | FinalX | sure, which is also possible, but then you also need to trust the network in between |
| 17:15.13 | binary106 | why with TLS? |
| 17:15.20 | binary106 | a robber could steal your Pi too right |
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| 17:15.26 | binary106 | and that has unencrypted key on it? |
| 17:15.46 | tw | Yes you can set up such a thing, no you don't need to trust the network if you have the tls cert pinned. |
| 17:15.51 | FinalX | sure; but TLS is only as secure as you make it. |
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| 17:16.29 | binary106 | 16777216 bit with thumbprint pinned |
| 17:16.46 | FinalX | to me a remote location isn't that necessary really, as the part of the datacenter it's in is only accessible by me and my coworkers (we have our own DC) |
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| 17:17.13 | FinalX | I could, but I choose not to :) there's also the latency part, though for a once-per-reboot kinda thing it doesn't matter much. |
| 17:17.27 | binary106 | i think latency of a human typing key over serial is greater :D |
| 17:17.45 | FinalX | for this purpose, yes |
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| 17:22.11 | tw | finalx: Are you going to fully automate it, or have a key-release mechanism from the host? |
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| 17:23.11 | FinalX | I'm not 100% sure what I'll be doing yet :) |
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| 17:24.15 | tw | An acquaintence of mine uses a server hosted script to release the LUKS unlock passphrase to the client if he approves release on his smartphone. |
| 17:24.35 | FinalX | that's cool :) |
| 17:24.38 | tw | there's security problems with that, but you could work around it with like shamir's secret sharing or something. |
| 17:24.48 | FinalX | there's always something tbh |
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| 17:26.22 | tw | Ideally, the unlock machine would be cryptographically blind to the unlock key and you'd just do some challenge response to generate the unlock key, but I'm not that good at cryptosystems to make it work. |
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| 17:27.36 | tw | (with a random challenge that always produces something that can be used to generate an unlock key.) |
| 17:28.12 | Tsutsukakushi | i think the term you're looking for is remote attestation |
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| 17:29.07 | MaxFrames | any1? |
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| 17:30.17 | FinalX | my server pretty much only gets rebooted on kernel upgrades, and only if I do it manually. but, my own personal server is probably worth the least in the DC anyway :) and related: we once had law enforcement at our DC with a warrant to seize hardware of a customer, but the warrant didn't cover access to the DC, so we disallowed them access... :) |
| 17:30.59 | tw | MaxFrames: is your exim server going to be interacting with remote mail servers? If yes, you need an actual domain name because a lot of services (ie gmail, yahoo, outlook.com) check. |
| 17:31.11 | FinalX | MaxFrames: I'm not familiar with exim at all, but I'm pretty sure you can just use the name of whatever you set up for that host by default (during installation) |
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| 17:31.59 | tw | MaxFrames: If no, you can set the primary_hostname directive for exim and set the same domain name for a local IP in /etc/hosts |
| 17:32.26 | davis | here is my results, source, failure, etc |
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| 17:32.28 | davis | https://gist.github.com/netskink/f4dbace2bec83a6c0123851cc5687de3 |
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| 17:32.29 | MaxFrames | FinalX: during installation I did not set up a fqdn for this machine |
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| 17:32.54 | MaxFrames | I'd prefer, for the moment, not to change the hostname but only change the fqdn used by exim |
| 17:33.03 | greycat | Doesn't really matter what you did during install. It's trivial to edit /etc/hosts. |
| 17:33.12 | MaxFrames | I am going to interact with remote servers, yes |
| 17:33.20 | greycat | the system hostname shouldn't have to change |
| 17:33.25 | MaxFrames | no side effects to edit /etc/hosts? |
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| 17:34.25 | greycat | The real question is whether you legitimately *own* a domain. |
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| 17:35.51 | tw | MaxFrames: I can tell you most servers will autoflag your server as spam if forward dns sent as HELO/EHLO does not match the reverse DNS for the IP. |
| 17:36.01 | tw | Mine will just close the connection. |
| 17:36.05 | MaxFrames | my organization does. I would have to have them register this internal host, whose only purpouse is to monitor arpwatch _in lan_ |
| 17:36.24 | MaxFrames | the remote server, though, belongs to my organization |
| 17:36.34 | tw | Ah, then you're probably fine if you control the config. |
| 17:36.52 | tw | MaxFrames: editing /etc/hosts is not a cause for concern. You can always undo it. |
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| 17:38.06 | MaxFrames | ok for the hostname |
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| 17:38.32 | MaxFrames | but I don't control the remote mail server. my arpwatch machine belongs to my department and it's used just for that |
| 17:38.51 | MaxFrames | the mail server (I need to send mail to users on this server) belongs to the organization / campus |
| 17:38.59 | greycat | If you have a "remote mail server" already, perhaps you should just be configuring your machine to send (relay) outgoing mail through that. |
| 17:38.59 | MaxFrames | I dunno if they can "whitelist" my machine |
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| 17:39.12 | MaxFrames | right |
| 17:39.59 | greycat | Do you have a mail address/account on the "remote mail server"? If so, just try sending mail to yourself there (after configuring exim appropriately) and see what happens. |
| 17:41.06 | MaxFrames | yep |
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| 18:19.06 | EnchanterTim | I just configured exim4, dovecot, roundcube, spamassassin, and the rest of the email auth lot. |
| 18:19.44 | EnchanterTim | It was... an experience. People say, oh, you'll pull your hair out. 1) I'm going bald already, np. 2) It's not that hard/complicated. I think mostly people say that b/c they don't fully understand MX |
| 18:20.08 | koollman | it is non-trivial |
| 18:20.18 | EnchanterTim | True. Anything but trivial. |
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| 18:20.52 | EnchanterTim | I spend a few days reading docs. Then it took me 3 days to get everything going, working full time and doing home admin stuff few hours a day. |
| 18:21.08 | EnchanterTim | had I not scoured through the docs, it would have taken much much longer. |
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| 18:21.25 | EnchanterTim | That's the trouble w/ following those online tutorials on how to setup a perfect server with debian, exim4, dovecot , blah blah |
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| 18:21.33 | EnchanterTim | They don't explain anything about the nature of mail exchanges. |
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| 18:21.59 | zbychuk | is there a way to boot debian installer and install base system and packages from a .ISO files on the same USB drive? |
| 18:22.00 | koollman | I sometimes use one of these, but merely as a reminder/checklist of things I have to do (I rarely setup email servers anymore) |
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| 18:22.09 | EnchanterTim | *nod* |
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| 18:22.37 | EnchanterTim | I've about 20+ domains. Each domain needs 4-5 boxex. I can't afford to pay a few bucks per box, that wouuld easly add up w/ a third party provider |
| 18:23.10 | koollman | zbychuk: not directly. but you can make a bootable usb drive from .iso file |
| 18:23.24 | EnchanterTim | zbychuk: yes |
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| 18:23.31 | EnchanterTim | Zyferus: use the hd-media installer please. |
| 18:23.53 | EnchanterTim | it will find the iso file on the bootable usb you created. It doesn't need an additional device |
| 18:24.06 | EnchanterTim | !tell zbychuk about i-g |
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| 18:24.38 | koollman | I think you can do it directly from .iso too. But maybe you have to run syslinux on it, I do not remember |
| 18:25.12 | EnchanterTim | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en |
| 18:25.16 | EnchanterTim | A.2.4. Booting from hard disk |
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| 18:25.49 | EnchanterTim | Create a bootable usb, put grub installer on it, create your menuentries to boot this kernel/ramdisk and put the iso file on top of the disk root |
| 18:26.11 | EnchanterTim | If you have any kind of an OS on the machine, you don't need usb, you can do a poor man's instal |
| 18:26.35 | EnchanterTim | if you have networking, you can run the netboot initrd/kernel and boot the debian installer, which will fetch the installer, then the base system, then whatever else you n eed. |
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| 18:41.42 | indistylo | I downloaded debian 9 Stretch amd64 image, made bootable usb, installed it on acer travelmate p249 by enabling legacy mode in UEFI , dual boot with windows. Now after detaching usb when I rebooted laptop, I cant see Grub loader. any way to fix uefi dual boot issue? tried this https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/ & https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 18:41.51 | vutral | how do i get rid of no suitable mode found at bootin |
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| 19:01.22 | awal1 | 56870 pkgs ;) |
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| 19:02.02 | mr__tea | apt-cache search ^.* |wc -l |
| 19:02.02 | mr__tea | 51001 |
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| 19:03.42 | awal1 | EnchanterTim 1, mr__tea 0 |
| 19:03.46 | awal1 | :) |
| 19:04.19 | jelly | mr__tea: you could just apt-cache search ^ |
| 19:05.24 | RedSoxFan07 | or use something like Synaptic or Software-Center. |
| 19:05.33 | mr__tea | I could just use the $ as well :) |
| 19:05.49 | mr__tea | show me the $ |
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| 19:09.11 | peope | What is the default desktop enviroment? |
| 19:09.17 | greycat | whatever you want |
| 19:09.40 | peope | When downloading an iso. What is the "standard" desktop enviroment? |
| 19:09.52 | greycat | Idiots end up with GNOME. Somehow. |
| 19:09.56 | greycat | Is that what you wanted to know? |
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| 19:10.17 | mistermonday | peope: When using netinstall, or a network mirror, the "debian desktop environment" option has always been GNOME3 for me. |
| 19:10.33 | peope | mistermonday: thank you kindly :) |
| 19:11.05 | peope | greycat: not really. I was simply wondering what desktop enviroment would be considered "standard" for most people |
| 19:11.28 | greycat | I don't understand the question. |
| 19:11.34 | annadane | if you select debian desktop environment with no other selection you do, indeed, get gnome |
| 19:11.38 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: mistermonday: I always choose GNOME 3. |
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| 19:11.44 | peope | In order to ge the "correct" iso. I don't know if there is a desktop-enviroment neutral iso |
| 19:11.56 | annadane | peope, netinstall is de neutral |
| 19:11.57 | linuxthefish | peope it's a personal question, i like xfce for my lower spec laptop and cinnamon for my main pc |
| 19:12.00 | RedSoxFan07 | The installer lets you choose. |
| 19:12.02 | greycat | GNOME is such a festering piece of shit, and completely unsupportable, and yet it seems to be the one that people end up running when they literally don't know ANYTHING, like, even the fact that they're using GNOME. |
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| 19:12.20 | greycat | !netinst > peope |
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| 19:12.25 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: I think you're tallking about Unity |
| 19:12.26 | greycat | grr, wrong bot |
| 19:12.32 | greycat | !netinst |
| 19:12.32 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:12.39 | peope | There are quite a few options for downloading an iso. Need it on a thumbdrive: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/9.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 19:12.49 | greycat | you either use the netinst, or the netinst-with-nonfree-firmware |
| 19:12.56 | greycat | then you CHOOSE which DE you want, if any |
| 19:13.03 | peope | greycat: thank you :) |
| 19:13.25 | mistermonday | peope: If you don't mind me giving a response to that, the desktop that is "standard" really varies per person and disto, debian seems to select GNOME by default, because it hold a place as one of the more prominant, common and oldest options. I personally use XFCE, because for me, it is the only one I can reliably work and use across all my machines without difficulty. |
| 19:13.38 | greycat | oh fuck me, your URL has "live" in it. DO NOT USE A LIVE IMAGE FOR INSTALLATION! |
| 19:13.45 | greycat | Gods. No wonder his questions made no sense. |
| 19:14.12 | indistylo | it says, Security boot fail |
| 19:14.50 | peope | greycat: it is if my computer messes up with a windows 10 install and my debian partition is gone. I need some tools. Including reinstalling my current ubuntu |
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| 19:16.02 | greycat | unless live-9.2 has FINALLY fixed all the bugs the EVERY Debian live image has had for the last several years, you should never attempt to use a Debian live image for installation |
| 19:16.53 | peope | greycat: I basically need to be able to get into console and be able to install a bootloader |
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| 19:17.09 | greycat | for which most people use the netinst image that they installed with |
| 19:17.30 | greycat | either with or without nonfree firmware depending on whether your networking hardware requires it |
| 19:17.47 | peope | Plus a live-usb-drive isn't a bad thing to have |
| 19:18.11 | peope | If I need to help a friend or just show off debian |
| 19:18.22 | mistermonday | peope: if you are not installing a whole os, a live image that lets you boot into a fairly normal shell session should probably work fine. |
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| 19:18.38 | greycat | In both of those cases, you would choose the DE you actually LIKE, not the one you think "most people use". |
| 19:19.30 | peope | greycat: I was unsure if "cinnamon" was just a DE or if it was the "base" |
| 19:19.40 | greycat | !cinnamon |
| 19:19.40 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
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| 19:19.52 | peope | I've been out of the game for a few years |
| 19:20.09 | greycat | GNOME has become so bad that people are forking it and maintaining older versions of it. |
| 19:20.11 | peope | greycat: merci :) |
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| 19:27.46 | awal1 | peope, i seriously think that xfce is the good one. you can just use a good wm such as openbox |
| 19:28.46 | awal1 | icewm and fluxbox are very easy to config |
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| 19:29.33 | annadane | you could also use emacs, it just lacks a good text editor |
| 19:29.35 | annadane | anyway |
| 19:29.39 | annadane | slinks off to offtopic |
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| 19:36.34 | yenyen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.03 | p3rs3us | hey guys, I am having a problem changing the background image of my second screen in xfce 4.12. There is a bug regarding this in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=849823. In the end of the bug it says to change the "image path" manually for the relevant monitor in xfce4-settings-editor. It only works for Monitor 0 but not for 1. |
| 19:39.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/849823 in xfdesktop4 (closed): «xfdesktop4: can't click to select a folder with background images»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-12-31; last modified: 2017-07-22. |
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| 19:41.28 | p3rs3us | oh yes, question. How do I fix it? Or should I let my 2nd monitor have the debian logo, for ever? |
| 19:42.04 | mr__tea | debian4ever |
| 19:42.46 | p3rs3us | mr__tea, so many bugs in stretch I am coming across, what have they done? |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | Huge changes in the video drivers. |
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| 19:43.42 | p3rs3us | my gvim crashes everytime I try to fold up the window |
| 19:43.52 | greycat | I don't know anything about xfce specifically. |
| 19:44.16 | greycat | normally if there's an open bug report for something, the bug report would be the place to look for workarounds |
| 19:44.25 | p3rs3us | there is |
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| 19:44.35 | p3rs3us | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1501519 |
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| 19:45.09 | alexises | Hello |
| 19:45.52 | p3rs3us | maybe I am the only one that uses xfce4 in debian |
| 19:46.55 | alexises | I'm using debian 9 and need php 7.1. It seen to be present on testing but not on stable. Pretty ennoying |
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| 19:47.10 | alexises | did you know a clean way to get it ;) |
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| 19:47.36 | FinalX | alexises: deb.sury.org |
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| 19:48.27 | p3rs3us | greycat, for the first bug I mentioned there is a workaround if you have one monitor. If you have two, it doesn't work. |
| 19:49.03 | yenyen | is there a dedicated channel for cinnamon? |
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| 19:53.37 | awal1 | #debian-cinnamon yenyen . or use your irc client for search it |
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| 19:54.38 | yenyen | #debian-cinnamon doesn't exist |
| 19:55.15 | awal1 | it was just a guess |
| 19:55.35 | greycat | There is a #debian-cinnamon on OFTC. Not on Freenode. |
| 19:55.37 | mtn | yenyen: the linuxmint channel on spotchat is the most likely source for cinnamon support |
| 19:55.52 | yenyen | but i'm not using mint :( |
| 19:56.10 | mtn | yenyen: mint created cinnamon. shrug |
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| 19:57.00 | awal1 | yenyen, <greycat> There is a #debian-cinnamon on OFTC. Not on Freenode |
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| 19:58.54 | awal1 | there may be users here using cinnamon. what is your problem? yenyen |
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| 20:00.03 | annadane | awal1, don't "guess". |
| 20:00.12 | annadane | i'm guilty of it too but please don't |
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| 20:01.58 | awal1 | annadane, no dunmet deps on your sid ? :D :P |
| 20:02.21 | awal1 | unmet |
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| 20:03.09 | yenyen | only 13 people in the oftc #debian-cinnamon |
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| 20:04.28 | yenyen | I'm getting the Cinnamon is running without video hardware acceleration error. I'm not sure what to do, every link i found is for mint |
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| 20:04.58 | mtn | yenyen: what is your video card/chip? you need a better video driver |
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| 20:05.36 | somiaj | yenyen: that channel would be mostly for packging or cinnamon on debian, there maybe a more specific cinnamon only channel that people hwo work soly with cinnamon use. could try #cinnamon on freenode, or check out cinnamons main webpage and see fi they have irc support. |
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| 20:05.51 | yenyen | bought a rx580 |
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| 20:06.38 | mtn | yenyen: that is an ati card? look at the debian wiki for ati |
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| 20:07.17 | yenyen | the drivers should already be in buster |
| 20:07.17 | somiaj | for ati most likely you just need the non-free firmware installed |
| 20:07.38 | somiaj | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 20:07.39 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
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| 20:08.38 | yenyen | wouldn't this be a driver issue? |
| 20:09.03 | somiaj | the driver can work without the non-free firmware, but the hardware acceeleration is usually disabled in such cases |
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| 20:09.27 | somiaj | the driver is open and in the linux kernel and part of debian main, but it uses non-free firmware, which debian only supplies via non-free and won't be in a default install. |
| 20:09.40 | awal1 | have you selected "software rendering yourself in your DM or it was auto? yenyen |
| 20:09.58 | yenyen | auto |
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| 20:10.24 | somiaj | but for those who are not use to debian, having to enable the non-free repo, then intsall non-free firmware is an extra step that mint doens't have. |
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| 20:10.39 | somiaj | so first install the firmware, reboot and then see if your issues resolve themselves. |
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| 20:11.35 | yenyen | oh that's why, mint has it by default |
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| 20:12.14 | yenyen | my old nvidia card was running better out of the box how could it be c_c |
| 20:12.29 | somiaj | yea, debian is very clear on its DFSG and what is allowed in main. Firmware is a binary blob that needs to be distributed outside of main so it is clear what has DFSG and non DFSG licenses |
| 20:12.35 | yenyen | i don't want to install nasty non free drivers |
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| 20:12.45 | somiaj | this is just firmware, different than the driver. |
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| 20:12.47 | greycat | firmware != drivers |
| 20:13.13 | greycat | drivers run on your CPU; firmware runs on your graphics card or network card |
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| 20:13.38 | somiaj | yenyen: other distros like mint/ubuntu don't have such a clear policy on what software they give their users. One side affect is things that require non-free firmware may work out of the box esier, but you don't know if any other non-free stuff has snuck into their software. |
| 20:14.03 | annadane | oh mint does that as well? TIL. |
| 20:14.47 | somiaj | and in debian if one has hardware which requires non-free firmware (which is a bit too common for many) have to install the non-free packages seperatly. |
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| 20:18.44 | yenyen | unless i have the firmware i won't be able to use hardware accelleration right? |
| 20:19.53 | somiaj | correct |
| 20:20.18 | somiaj | without it you only get very basic hardare, which works okay for some 2d stuff but won't get compositors or 3d graphics |
| 20:20.24 | somiaj | s/hardware/graphics/ |
| 20:20.31 | yenyen | the video card i just bought is useless :( |
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| 20:21.32 | yenyen | but now i'm wondering what does the driver do? shouldn't amd cards run better than nvidia even without the firmware? |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | That's too broad a question. You would have to pick two cards and compare. |
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| 20:25.00 | yenyen | old one was a nvidia 780ti, i bought a rx580 because people were saying amd works fine with open source drivers |
| 20:25.36 | greycat | Newer-generation AMD cards require nonfree firmware. Perhaps your sources were thinking of older cards. |
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| 20:25.50 | mtn | yenyen: use xfce and it will work fine ;) |
| 20:25.55 | somiaj | yenyen: the radeon open drivers are usually considered better than nouveau, but I find the nvidia non-free drivers to be the better one if you want 3-D stuff. |
| 20:26.00 | raidghost | Any CPU intel to recommand? thought of 2 cpu with alot of cores and power |
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| 20:26.29 | raidghost | Not i7 or i5 or i3, Not usable for plex, iptv-streaming server and PVR |
| 20:26.39 | somiaj | yenyen: but the radeon driver and now the amdpro driver have required non-free firmware for a while. This is different than a non-free driver, but still a requirement to get decent preformance from them. |
| 20:27.05 | somiaj | raidghost: why not the i3/5/7? |
| 20:27.10 | yenyen | mtn should i go xfce? |
| 20:27.15 | petn-randall | raidghost: You could try asking ##hardware, they know all about it. |
| 20:27.23 | mtn | yenyen: you could try it and see how you like it. |
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| 20:27.54 | greycat | touch {001..100}.txt |
| 20:28.00 | greycat | sorry, mischannel |
| 20:28.56 | raidghost | petn-randall: How am i suppose to talk there when the channel is moderated? |
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| 20:29.15 | raidghost | somiaj: I need alot of core power , and thought about 2 cpu |
| 20:30.00 | yenyen | somiaj do you know which series worked fine without non-free firmware? |
| 20:30.41 | somiaj | raidghost: the multicore i7 has a lot of power, beyond that you may want to look into the xenon server processors. They have a lot more cores. But follow petn-randall suggestion, this is better suited for ##hardware. |
| 20:31.04 | somiaj | yenyen: What sort of use do you have for your card? Is it just 2D graphics for a desktop? Do you want to do anything 3D? |
| 20:31.42 | somiaj | yenyen: you will have to go quite old to avoid using non-free firmware with radeon. If you want a card that doesn't require non-free firmware, I think intel is the way to go. They work great for 2d desktops and some limited 3d stuff. |
| 20:31.43 | raidghost | somiaj: thought about xenon server processor. due to the ammount of core |
| 20:31.44 | yenyen | i wish, i would like to buy the best free card i can get |
| 20:32.36 | somiaj | yenyen: intel is the only ones I know of that don't have some non-free component. Note no matter what card you choose you will have non-free firmware. Some places just put the firmware on the card and don't ship it as a seperate file. The radeon driver just requires it as a seperate file. |
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| 20:33.28 | somiaj | (though you may want to look into the libre hardware support, if you really want to see if there is any truely free graphics hardware out there (I don't know of any) |
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| 20:34.36 | yenyen | oh that could explain why some nvidia card works better, they have inbuild firmaware |
| 20:35.06 | somiaj | raidghost: it really depends on what you need the machine to do. For a single process power I think the top end i7s are the fastest (even compared to the xenons) but for multiple processes or multiprocessing the xeon works better due to having more cores, but its design is more for lots of processes as opposed to a more desktop orinated i7. |
| 20:35.24 | yenyen | mtn why did you say it will work better on xfce? |
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| 20:35.42 | mtn | yenyen: doesn't need hardware acceleration |
| 20:35.55 | yenyen | ohh |
| 20:36.56 | somiaj | yenyen: Which might be why the person you talked to suggested radeon. It works juts fine witout hardware acceleration, but would need non-free firmware to get it. |
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| 20:38.22 | yenyen | r/linuxhardware/ everyone here was saying so |
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| 20:40.58 | yenyen | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/774b00/amd_vs_intel_vs_nvidia/ |
| 20:41.14 | ryouma | why is i7 best for single threaded? |
| 20:41.22 | ryouma | compared to i3 or i5 |
| 20:41.37 | somiaj | ryouma: here I'm using 'speed' as the reason for best. the i7 will just do the process faster. |
| 20:41.41 | ryouma | but it sounds like for debian intel is suggested most |
| 20:42.30 | somiaj | yenyen: a lot is dependent on what you need and like. I personally use nvidia + non-free drivers, but I find that to have the best 3d acceleration support for games. |
| 20:42.31 | ryouma | somiaj: yeah, i am looking for single-threaded cpu speed and free drivers that are good and will be supoprted for a long time |
| 20:42.58 | somiaj | ryouma: I wouldn't worry about the 'driver' for a cpu. Debian still supports pentiums. |
| 20:43.10 | ryouma | for the video |
| 20:43.12 | somiaj | just keep the microcode upto date. |
| 20:43.36 | ryouma | is that done in debian? |
| 20:43.38 | somiaj | Intel is fairly relaable gpu if you don't have a high demand for 3d graphics. |
| 20:43.47 | somiaj | ryouma: if you install the non-free micrcode package. |
| 20:45.05 | ryouma | i just want maximum emacs speed |
| 20:45.17 | greycat | if all you use Debian graphics for is web browsing, the Intel motherboard graphics chipsets are perfectly adequate |
| 20:45.29 | somiaj | I personally go with intel gpu on my machines unless I use it for gaming, on that one machine I use nvidia. |
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| 20:45.57 | sanmarcos | anwyay I can find the default /etc/sysctl.conf for Debian 8.9 ? |
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| 20:48.42 | greycat | sanmarcos: it's in procps; see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/procps |
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| 20:49.36 | UncleDolan | hello, i have a problem: my ISP just told me i have to change my WAN ip to new one and i am like 300 miles away from server. I need to chang its WAN ip address remotely without loosing access to server. How to achieve that |
| 20:49.52 | sanmarcos | greycat: on the root or debian/sysctl.conf? |
| 20:49.55 | sanmarcos | there are two files greycat |
| 20:49.57 | yenyen | krita is lagging worse with the 580 :** |
| 20:50.29 | greycat | sanmarcos: sounds like you are looking at a source package ...? |
| 20:50.50 | ryouma | somiaj: intel-microcode? |
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| 20:51.24 | sanmarcos | greycat: apt-get install -d says it is already installed? |
| 20:51.30 | sanmarcos | how do I get the default file? |
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| 20:52.16 | greycat | sanmarcos: download the package from the web page I gave you (at the bottom, where it says "download procps") and extract it. or use apt-get --reinstall --download-only to get the .deb into your /var/cache/apt/archives/ and extract it from there. |
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| 20:52.45 | sanmarcos | thank you sir g |
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| 20:53.55 | raidghost | guess i have to call a plummer tomorrmow. We got visit from a frog under the tube |
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| 20:54.36 | sanmarcos | raidghost: shadilay brother |
| 20:54.46 | sanmarcos | raidghost: praise kek |
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| 20:56.08 | sanmarcos | my debian system is borked |
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| 20:56.38 | sanmarcos | I am getting ERROR: netlink XFRM_MSG_DELPOLICY response for flow on ipsec/libreswan |
| 20:56.44 | sanmarcos | only on one debian 8.9 isntallation |
| 20:58.09 | raidghost | sanmarcos: praise kek ? |
| 20:58.42 | sanmarcos | raidghost: https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com |
| 20:59.16 | raidghost | oooh . hehehe |
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| 21:03.38 | kempo | hi all. where can i find the xorg.conf in debian stretch? |
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| 21:04.25 | annadane | kempo, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:04.37 | kempo | annadane: its not there, so i can just create one? |
| 21:04.54 | annadane | kempo, depends. if it's not there you probably don't need it, really depends on what you need to do |
| 21:05.10 | kempo | annadane: i want to use my intel graphic card |
| 21:05.10 | raidghost | annadane: how`s life? |
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| 21:07.13 | kingsley | My question? Do you trust packages from pkgs.org? |
| 21:07.35 | annadane | kingsley, most likely not. you should stick to the repository |
| 21:08.39 | kingsley | annadane: If you happen to have the time, and are so inclined, please elaborate. |
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| 21:09.32 | annadane | kingsley, well, the packages in the repository have been vetted and are made to work with the rest of the release. installing .deb packages from random websites could result in conflicts, or could even be malicious software |
| 21:10.22 | kingsley | annadane: OK. That makes sense. Thank you. |
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| 21:19.24 | yenyen | what does it mean if a package is "set to manually installed."? |
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| 21:20.02 | yenyen | ok i google that |
| 21:20.22 | ircusertest | having problems with lightdm/dbus: light[]: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts:GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnkown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files |
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| 21:21.11 | ircusertest | lightdm[]: session_get_login1_session_id: assertion 'session != NULL' failed |
| 21:22.56 | ircusertest | problem is I can't look it up because I have no wm. Connected to the irc through virtual console and tried searching in bug reports with lynx. |
| 21:23.08 | annadane | yenyen, means it's manually installed. if it weren't manually installed, say package B, it would be because you installed package A which automatically drags in package B |
| 21:23.30 | ircusertest | didn't found anything/or i'm too incompetent to find it |
| 21:23.41 | ircusertest | can someone assist me on this? |
| 21:24.08 | ircusertest | debian sid |
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| 21:25.54 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 21:25.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:25.57 | annadane | ircusertest, ^ |
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| 21:28.18 | ircusertest | annadane: do I have to be registered on oftc network fo #debian-next? last time I remember connecting to oftc.net and trying to join #debian I couldn't do it without registering to the network |
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| 21:33.32 | awal1 | ircusertest, repeat after me " If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net." |
| 21:35.21 | ircusertest | awal1: I wasn't asking about channel invite. I was asking about registering to the network. I didn't need to register to join |
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| 21:35.45 | annadane | ircusertest, no, you don't need to be registered |
| 21:36.55 | sanmarcos | any way to reset my debian installation to defaults? |
| 21:36.58 | sanmarcos | like configuration defaults? |
| 21:37.12 | nkuttler | sanmarcos: configuration of what? |
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| 21:40.15 | sanmarcos | everything related to the kernel, system permissions, hardening, netfilter nkuttler |
| 21:40.28 | sanmarcos | i think I ran bastille linux years ago on this debian installation |
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| 21:42.22 | Felio | sup |
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| 21:43.55 | Memiane | Hi all i try ta execute that : unrar e -p0000 myrar.rar, but he failed |
| 21:44.11 | Memiane | it's function on ubuntu why don't on debian |
| 21:44.16 | Felio | memiane |
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| 21:44.24 | Memiane | yes Felio |
| 21:44.25 | Felio | lmao i was putting my lepton containment rod inside my proton alignment chamber and it excreted superfluids |
| 21:44.27 | Felio | what do i do |
| 21:45.11 | Memiane | you extract fluids |
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| 21:48.29 | Memiane | whyyyy |
| 21:48.46 | Memiane | why failed debian i love youu |
| 21:49.01 | Memiane | because all day you caomplicated my life |
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| 21:49.13 | Memiane | loué soit debian Ahouu Ahouuu --' |
| 21:49.20 | Felio | SOrry i don't speak sign language |
| 21:49.41 | Memiane | xD |
| 21:49.58 | cristian_c | hi |
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| 21:50.35 | cristian_c | when I use mozplugger, opening pdf files, I notice a strange behaviour about input events. If I use arrow keys on keyboard, they don't work, but if I use the mouse wheel scrolling, it works, instead |
| 21:50.56 | cristian_c | How could I fix the issue for embedded pdf files using it? |
| 21:51.01 | cristian_c | Any ideas? |
| 21:51.05 | Felio | omfg can you stfu cristian_c I don't even know what your talking about |
| 21:51.08 | Felio | like fo seirous |
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| 21:51.30 | Memiane | How i extract rar with pass in debian ? unrar e -p0000 myrar.rar dont function (but good on ubuntu )) wtf mom |
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| 21:54.41 | cristian_c | Felio: it0s *also* a support channel |
| 21:54.50 | cristian_c | *it's |
| 21:54.56 | cristian_c | people speak, usually |
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| 21:55.48 | cristian_c | Felio: if you feel hurted by that |
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| 21:59.54 | Kendo_Cocaine | give a xanax to felio |
| 22:00.01 | Felio | dude stfu |
| 22:00.04 | Felio | you are freaking gay |
| 22:00.05 | Felio | i hate you |
| 22:00.32 | Kendo_Cocaine | puts gay digital penis on felio's chin |
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| 22:01.10 | annadane | !ops ^ |
| 22:01.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about a problem (see above) |
| 22:01.21 | Felio | oh crap |
| 22:01.31 | Felio | lets not do this |
| 22:01.31 | Felio | ok |
| 22:01.59 | tsukiyomi | o.o |
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| 22:05.15 | lupus | is /var/www/* somehow protected against NFS mounting? i added /var/www/html/rutorrent/plugins 192.168.0.101(rw,sync,no_subtree_check,insecure) to my /etc/exports, but my guest throws this exception when i try to mount it: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.12:/var/www/html/rutorrent/plugins |
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| 22:06.29 | gzcwnk | o^0 |
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| 22:06.45 | gzcwnk | Anybody in pls? |
| 22:07.50 | gzcwnk | I am trying to locate the test script "bacula-dir so I can use it to test my bacula setup but its missing, cant find it with dpkg -S or googling |
| 22:09.47 | cristian_c | gzcwnk: what package should it contain? |
| 22:09.51 | cristian_c | *include |
| 22:10.09 | cristian_c | the test script, I mean |
| 22:10.19 | gzcwnk | I dont know or I'd try to re-install it |
| 22:10.23 | themill | ,file bin/bacula-dir |
| 22:10.27 | judd | Search for bin/bacula-dir in stretch/amd64: bacula-director: usr/sbin/bacula-dir |
| 22:11.12 | gzcwnk | nope |
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| 22:11.31 | themill | gzcwnk: which release of debian is this? |
| 22:11.47 | gzcwnk | hence I'd like to re-install it but I cant locate the package its supplied in |
| 22:12.10 | themill | well judd just answered that question |
| 22:12.11 | gzcwnk | root@prcbackup01:/etc/bacula# more /etc/debian_version |
| 22:12.11 | gzcwnk | 9.2 |
| 22:12.38 | themill | more likely, /usr/sbin is not in your PATH |
| 22:12.45 | gzcwnk | sorry I dont understand what judd means |
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| 22:13.21 | gzcwnk | root@prcbackup01:/etc/bacula# ls -l /usr/sbin/ |grep bacula |
| 22:13.21 | gzcwnk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Feb 27 2017 bacula-console -> bconsole |
| 22:13.22 | gzcwnk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 245216 Feb 27 2017 bacula-fd |
| 22:13.22 | gzcwnk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 442592 Feb 27 2017 bacula-sd |
| 22:13.22 | gzcwnk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Feb 27 2017 btraceback -> ../lib/bacula/btraceback |
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| 22:13.36 | gzcwnk | oops |
| 22:13.47 | gzcwnk | sorry |
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| 22:13.56 | gzcwnk | so its not there |
| 22:13.59 | fxb | i'm wondering if installing the 'intel-microcode' package from non-free could fix webgl not working on my integrated intel gpu but i'm afraid it could break stuff, any experience with that? |
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| 22:15.41 | gzcwnk | hence why I need to try and re-install whatever package its meant to be in |
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| 22:20.57 | gzcwnk | so I guess I'll file a bug report |
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| 22:23.08 | somiaj | !tell gzcwnk about confmiss |
| 22:23.26 | somiaj | gzcwnk: if you delete a config file, dpkg things you want it gone and won't recreate it no matter what you do (unless you tell it specifcally to recreate it) |
| 22:23.44 | somiaj | !microcode |
| 22:23.44 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 22:24.07 | somiaj | fxb: ^^ it is strongly suggested you install microcode either from debian or from intel. It contains bug fixes/etc for the cpu which could be important. |
| 22:24.07 | sanmarcos | updating cpu |
| 22:24.09 | gzcwnk | OK so how do I tell dpkg to re-install the missing file? |
| 22:24.19 | sanmarcos | gzcwnk: --reinstall ? |
| 22:24.21 | somiaj | gzcwnk: read the factoid that I had dpkg send you about the confmiss option. |
| 22:24.26 | ntd | unfortunately 14.04 microcode packages are seemingly no longer updated |
| 22:24.30 | somiaj | sanmarcos: that won't work with out adding the confmiss option, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:24.34 | ntd | sorry, wrong chan :) |
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| 22:25.16 | ntd | anyway, these should maybe follow the security repo approach, not as frozen-per-release |
| 22:25.18 | somiaj | ntd: debian is the same way, unless there is a security issue with the micrcode it won't be updated from the version supplied. In this case you can get it directly from intel and copy it to the correct location (you may have to rebuild the initramfs too) |
| 22:25.40 | somiaj | ntd: debian will update the microcode of grave/security bugs, but not just because there is a new version out there. |
| 22:25.51 | gzcwnk | I have read it, but I odnt undersatnd what it means |
| 22:25.58 | somiaj | so with stable if you really need the newer version, you could check if it is in backports or manually install it. |
| 22:26.21 | ntd | ok, ok. i seem to recall there being some pretty nasty-ish bugs on =>skylake |
| 22:26.35 | ntd | not security issues but bad-ish bugs |
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| 22:26.50 | somiaj | gzcwnk: It tells you how to do it with aptitiude, -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename |
| 22:27.32 | gzcwnk | somiaj I cant because I cant find what package bacula-dir is in |
| 22:27.39 | somiaj | ntd: sounds like you are using ubuntu in which case the bug may not be on debian. If the bug was on debian and due to outdated microcode it should be reported to the BTS and then the debian devs will decide if the bug warnets updating the microcode in stable next point release. |
| 22:28.01 | somiaj | gzcwnk: is bacula-dir a config file? I thought you were asking about config files. |
| 22:28.16 | ntd | nah, i was just saying it in the wrong chan |
| 22:28.34 | somiaj | gzcwnk: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bacula-dir&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 22:28.34 | themill | gzcwnk: didn't judd just tell you what package it was in? |
| 22:28.49 | themill | gzcwnk: or you could use packages.debian.org or you could use apt-file. |
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| 22:30.38 | gzcwnk | No bacula-dir is a test script you run over the config files to check for errors |
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| 22:31.14 | gzcwnk | themill I cant see judd telling me this |
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| 22:31.35 | themill | look harder? ;) |
| 22:32.07 | gzcwnk | somiaj i have tried packages.debian.org but I cant find it |
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| 22:32.39 | themill | gzcwnk: somiaj just gave you the exact link with the answer. So did judd.... |
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| 22:34.09 | somiaj | gzcwnk: I don't know how to be more helpful than giving you the exact link to click on (or copy/paste) |
| 22:34.40 | gzcwnk | somiaj thanks that worked.... |
| 22:34.46 | ntd | what are your go-to locations for listing all sec issues per vendor? |
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| 22:35.12 | somiaj | ntd: debian has a security tracker. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 22:35.25 | somiaj | ntd: I think it is more orginzed by CVE, not vendor, but you can search based on package names. |
| 22:35.32 | ntd | sure, i was thinking more like list per vendor (apple/msft/goog/etc) |
| 22:36.06 | somiaj | ntd: debian tracks security issues that affect debian packages, so unsure how knowing what security issues apple/ms/google/etc have will help debian track issues for its packages. |
| 22:36.20 | ntd | nothing debian-related |
| 22:36.47 | somiaj | if looking for generic security issues, there is most likely a central CVE database you can split it up to what os is affected. |
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| 22:38.50 | ntd | sure |
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| 22:39.36 | ntd | i know of, i was asking to see if there are any new/unknown to me ones |
| 22:39.38 | ntd | anyway |
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| 23:07.51 | sanmarcos | i have a totally cucked system |
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| 23:09.38 | annadane | sanmarcos, stable? |
| 23:10.57 | sanmarcos | yes its cucked with netfilter |
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| 23:12.55 | dant | Tried to connect to irc.debian.org: problems with certificate |
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| 23:14.32 | annadane | sanmarcos, if you want us to help you'll need to be more specific |
| 23:14.43 | annadane | dant, which irc client |
| 23:15.28 | dant | "certificate meant for coulomb.oftc.net, not irc.debian.org" |
| 23:15.30 | dant | Pidgin |
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| 23:19.04 | dant | probably not meant to be used with encryption my bad |
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| 23:21.54 | sanmarcos | annadane: dude the netfilter shit is done operation not permitted, impossible to debug unless you are a kermel debelvoper |
| 23:22.29 | sanmarcos | milk vampire |
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| 23:22.40 | annadane | well, that isn't helpful. i have no idea what you're trying to do |
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| 23:23.23 | sanmarcos | I am getting ERROR: netlink XFRM_MSG_DELPOLICY response for flow on ipsec/libreswan |
| 23:23.32 | sanmarcos | auth.log on connection, only on one machine |
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| 23:28.29 | krytarik | dant: Connecting to 'irc.oftc.net' directly should give no errors though. |
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| 23:33.19 | dant | krytarik: ok thx |
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