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| 00:28.04 | gunchyo | Hi, just looking for help setting up and testing core dumps properly |
| 00:28.44 | gunchyo | I believe I've done everything right. Set sysctl settings, changed ulimit to unlimited. I've tested by using gdp to dump nano process cores, but they don't go to the folder I specify in sysctl.conf |
| 00:28.56 | gunchyo | so just want to make sure that when a kernel panic happens, they go to the right folder, thx |
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| 01:29.31 | EnchanterTim | Hello, I think I broke my .screenrc |
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| 01:29.55 | EnchanterTim | When I do ^a + window number, it just shows me a bar w/ list of windows and does not switch |
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| 01:35.40 | kusfedora | hi guys, any ideas why my installer might be stuck in searching for network? I even tried the non-free firmware iso but the same thing happens... installer just seems to freeze when searching for network adapter. is it possible to not search for network adapters on my hp mini 210-2145dx? |
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| 01:38.27 | rawruw | iptables bloated with ufw-junk. ideas on how to get rid of it? |
| 01:39.24 | dvs | kusfedora, already told you: expert install |
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| 01:41.07 | kusfedora | dvs i cannot into expert install |
| 01:41.27 | kusfedora | can you walk me through it please? |
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| 01:46.00 | kusfedora | oh I think I got it |
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| 01:50.30 | sioux | i i'm using Debian 9, Apache, MySQL(Mariadb) server, Redmine 3.4.3., ruby 2.3.3p22. When i try install a new pluging, download the plugin redmine_checklists, into /opt/redmine/plugins/, and try " bundle exec rake redmine:plugins:migrate RAILS_ENV=production" show this error: https://gist.github.com/3e7fb264f5ada14ab84880292b6500ce |
| 02:02.24 | kusfedora | dvs now I am stuck at "detecting disks and all other hardware" |
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| 02:14.45 | kusfedora | ok I got past that by just skipping that step as well. it feels like I am playing god of war or tomb raider where I die several times in the game |
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| 02:15.18 | Shmam | I have some problems with my Razer Blade Stealth running debian9+ KDE (Plasma 5.8.6). First problem: When I close the lid to my laptop, it doesn't turn off the screen. I need to open and close it again for it to turn off. It always works on the second time but never on the first. Second problem: When I plug my laptop into AC power, it goes into sle |
| 02:15.18 | Shmam | ep and I need to click on the mouse/keyboard to wake it back up. Any ideas on these problems? I have the latest openrazer drivers, should I submit a bug report there or a debian bug report? |
| 02:15.33 | Shmam | Also just updated my kernel which didn't solve either of the problems |
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| 02:18.15 | cesurasean | hey |
| 02:18.26 | cesurasean | i believe a bug was introduced on purpose to my elitebook's sound drivers |
| 02:18.30 | cesurasean | cant use external speakers |
| 02:18.35 | cesurasean | had to bypass it with bluetooth |
| 02:18.41 | cesurasean | malacious bug introduced |
| 02:18.45 | cesurasean | please look into it on sid |
| 02:18.49 | cesurasean | thx |
| 02:18.58 | cesurasean | neighbors dont like the paul oakenfold lol |
| 02:19.26 | cesurasean | its an alsa i think |
| 02:19.39 | cesurasean | jcarpenter helped me last time get it working but for some reason stopped working, bluetooth works fine |
| 02:19.49 | cesurasean | the speakers work fine, its just line out |
| 02:19.56 | cesurasean | must have introduced a bug on purpose |
| 02:20.05 | cesurasean | to sid |
| 02:20.31 | cesurasean | also they upgraded my DSL modem to catch all Tor traffic recent |
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| 02:20.38 | cesurasean | been blocking my websites i want to surf |
| 02:20.38 | cesurasean | etc |
| 02:20.45 | p5eudo | why do you think it's a malicious act, and not just an accidental bug? |
| 02:20.56 | cesurasean | i have shitty neighbors |
| 02:20.57 | cesurasean | lol |
| 02:21.04 | cesurasean | cause im smart |
| 02:21.22 | uxfi | Anyone knwo why I see this message whislt setting up wordpress? Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress. |
| 02:21.26 | cesurasean | prolly some redhat devs fuckin with yalls shit |
| 02:21.42 | cesurasean | plz look into the line out on alsa for elitebook |
| 02:21.43 | cesurasean | thx |
| 02:21.50 | kusfedora | uxfi you installed wordpress with apt? |
| 02:21.50 | abff | uxfi you probably need the MySQL extention for PHP |
| 02:22.04 | uxfi | yes kusfedora |
| 02:22.07 | cesurasean | also Tor needs a different way so its data cant be captured |
| 02:22.10 | munyah | I have a Yamaha PSR E433 hooked to Debian 9 via USB host cable and "aseqdump -p 20" shows the output when I press keys on the keyboard. I've installed every music program I could find in the package manager but cant seem to figure out how to do anything useful with this |
| 02:22.15 | cesurasean | they have countered Tor |
| 02:22.19 | uxfi | I did tht obff |
| 02:22.25 | cesurasean | thx brosephs |
| 02:22.28 | munyah | I think I may need to set this device number 20 as the default somehow for it to work with MuseScore or such |
| 02:22.31 | cesurasean | keep the faith |
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| 02:23.17 | kusfedora | uxfi did you make a php info page and see what is loaded? |
| 02:23.53 | uxfi | I beleive so kusfedora |
| 02:23.59 | uxfi | yeah I did |
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| 02:26.14 | Shmam | I have some problems with my Razer Blade Stealth running debian9+ KDE (Plasma 5.8.6). First problem: When I close the lid to my laptop, it doesn't turn off the screen. I need to open and close it again for it to turn off. It always works on the second time but never on the first. Second problem: When I plug my laptop into AC power, it goes into sle |
| 02:26.14 | Shmam | ep and I need to click on the mouse/keyboard to wake it back up. Any ideas on these problems? I have the latest openrazer drivers, should I submit a bug report there or a debian bug report? |
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| 02:27.24 | cmanns | Is there a way to ensure a kernel is installed? |
| 02:28.37 | Shmam | I think you would know if you didn't have a kernel installed lol |
| 02:28.50 | cmanns | I'm trying make sure I switched to Proxmox's kernel |
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| 02:29.45 | Shmam | google a nice tool |
| 02:29.45 | Shmam | https://askubuntu.com/questions/359574/how-do-i-find-out-the-kernel-version-i-am-running |
| 02:30.03 | Shmam | good at answering questions ;) |
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| 02:32.26 | cmanns | I ran apt remove linux-image-amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 as proxmox guide said to do, appears their kernel package is installed! |
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| 02:33.03 | cmanns | I'm all set uname -r 4.13.4-1-pve |
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| 02:55.45 | ghormoon | hi, is there something like f.lux that is in repos (something to filter out blue light based on time etc.)? |
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| 02:57.21 | themill | redshift |
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| 02:58.32 | rawruw | what's the life cycle of debian? |
| 03:00.47 | dvs | rawruw, about 5 years per release |
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| 03:01.19 | rawruw | dvs: seems like the past 1-4 years of that is maintained by volunteers |
| 03:01.46 | rawruw | dvs: meaning, "the professionals" or whatever you want to call them, will just maintain a new version for a year or so? |
| 03:01.47 | themill | that sounds like all of debian... |
| 03:01.56 | rawruw | themill: yeah :P |
| 03:01.59 | rawruw | so I'm wrong somewhere |
| 03:02.16 | rawruw | LTS will extend a version with additional 5 years but it won't have the same care as the current release? |
| 03:02.40 | ghormoon | hm, it runs from commandline ,but the user service fails with `RANDR Query Version' returned error -1 |
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| 03:09.52 | ghormoon | I've gooled up 3 year old arch forum thread where peole solved it by manually specifying DISPLAY=:0 in the unitfile, which is principially wrong ... can I somehow pass the users's DISPLAY variable so it will work on more than one session? |
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| 03:13.41 | ghormoon | putting it in xmonad as spawned process on start is works, though not 100% correct tbh. |
| 03:13.59 | ghormoon | (like it's not the solution I'd say is correct, I'd say it's workaround) |
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| 03:18.29 | troubavant | trying to install debian tonight as a noob - wish me luck |
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| 03:47.41 | phenom | Is KDE Plasma at all stable on,, Stable? |
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| 03:49.20 | salamitactics | it sounds like you already have an answer to that question in mind |
| 03:51.03 | phenom | I do. I'm hoping someone can tell me that after 15 years of hoping QT/KDE was ready to use, that it is indeed the gold standard in Linux desktop environments. |
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| 03:52.12 | phenom | Hope I'm not waiting abother 15 years. |
| 03:52.17 | phenom | another, even. |
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| 03:52.55 | shpingrlde | I installed kpatience. it's pretty great |
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| 03:53.45 | salamitactics | KDE is still KDE. For better and for worse. It's probably exactly how you would expect given past experience, perhaps a little better. |
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| 03:54.08 | phenom | I was a core dev on the kpatience project. |
| 03:55.23 | phenom | Plasma on Manjaro is kshit |
| 03:55.32 | phenom | Perhaps it's Manjaro |
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| 03:55.49 | phenom | Either way I'm going back to XFCE |
| 03:57.07 | shpingrlde | haha, you were? well I wasn't joking, kpatience is swell. nice to have some polish on one of these old-folks' games |
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| 04:07.12 | rant | So I just tested that yamaha psr-433 keyboard via USB on Debian and musescore was displaying the notes backwards (bass on left, trebel on right), kmidimon showed the keys left-to-right being 36 thru 96. I'm not realy certain where the problem lies in the keyboard, alsa driver, or musescore |
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| 04:08.46 | rant | I figure I can write a plugin in either musescore or using mididngs to reverse it but its kinda annoying this has to be done if anyone knows another solution or has tried a midi keyboard before and has any input on the mattter I'd be glad to hear it |
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| 04:10.55 | rant | I dont really know what code to dig into without knowing which is the problem. Idk if the keyboard is just sending non-standard codes backwards or what |
| 04:11.21 | rant | cause if I write a plugin for musescore and its the keyboard or alsa driver then other programs will have the same issue |
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| 04:19.24 | rant | obviously the problem is one of simple math 132-keycode will reverse the keycodes and output the right code |
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| 05:01.56 | aaap | hey guys |
| 05:02.06 | aaap | may i know is there a 'live session' for debian 9 desktop which is similar to linuxmint ? |
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| 05:03.40 | annadane | aaap, there's debian live which uses the cinnamon flavour which IIRC is the same as mint uses |
| 05:04.34 | annadane | also one for mate, i'm not sure what mint uses as the default |
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| 05:04.54 | aaap | annadane: is there a xfce version? |
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| 05:05.08 | annadane | aaap, yes |
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| 05:06.15 | aaap | annadane: may i know is it this one? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 05:06.40 | annadane | if you have i386. |
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| 05:07.02 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ is the main page for it so you can find what you need |
| 05:08.12 | aaap | annadane: thank you |
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| 05:53.22 | shpingrlde | anyone favor a particular flavor of chromium based browser? I need to grab one for a few things that don't run well in firefox |
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| 06:00.12 | aaap | shpingrlde: i thought there is only one chromium browser? |
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| 06:01.00 | salamitactics | shpingrlde: Brave |
| 06:01.26 | salamitactics | Plain chromium is also acceptable |
| 06:02.06 | shpingrlde | afaik, vivaldi is built on chrome, as well as inox |
| 06:02.20 | shpingrlde | s/ome/omium |
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| 06:02.43 | salamitactics | Vivaldi isn't open source though. It's your call. As for INOX, never heard of it. |
| 06:03.14 | shpingrlde | right on. hadn't heard of brave, I'll give it a try |
| 06:03.59 | shpingrlde | took vivaldi and inox for brief tries on other computers, vivaldi was easier to install but inox *seemed* snappier. on a craptop at least |
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| 06:19.41 | shpingrlde | can apt, or aptitude, search package descriptions? I want to find whichever font package contains consolas |
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| 06:24.34 | dax | none of them, unless something changed since the last time i looked |
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| 06:25.55 | dax | and to answer the other half of your question, aptitude search ~dconsolas |
| 06:25.58 | CrazyTux | why Linus Torvalds is of the opinion that Debian is hard to install and use? |
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| 06:26.18 | dax | perhaps you should ask him |
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| 06:26.38 | CrazyTux | dax, your views on that? |
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| 06:27.48 | dax | i'm not overly interested in Linus's opinions on Linux distros |
| 06:28.28 | shpingrlde | ~d is pretty great, thank you |
| 06:28.28 | apt | ...but d is already something else... |
| 06:28.58 | CrazyTux | I am a newbie and a non technical end user. I could install Debian without much difficulty. |
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| 06:29.41 | CrazyTux | btw, is there any tool available for Debian 9 xfce for one click update/upgrade? |
| 06:30.01 | CrazyTux | without depending much on CLI? |
| 06:30.59 | CrazyTux | or any DE suitable for newbies who depend mostly on GUI? |
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| 06:32.41 | shpingrlde | cinnamon is pretty slick and simple. but graphical package managers are always much slower |
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| 06:33.26 | CrazyTux | shpingrlde, is Cinnamon on Debian 9 stable? |
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| 06:33.33 | shpingrlde | I recommend aptitude, over apt, for newbies. it's "graphical", though not in the way you mean. has menus and buttons you can explore |
| 06:33.34 | CrazyTux | or does it have bugs? |
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| 06:33.46 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 06:34.12 | shpingrlde | everything has bugs, friend :) |
| 06:34.20 | CrazyTux | how to install the complete Cinnamon DE? |
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| 06:34.41 | CrazyTux | or should I try Mint Cinnamon? |
| 06:34.54 | shpingrlde | follow your bliss |
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| 06:35.36 | CrazyTux | what's your opinion on projects like Linux Mint, Solus? |
| 06:36.14 | shpingrlde | I started with mint. it didn't kill me |
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| 06:36.36 | CrazyTux | I have used Mint before. |
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| 06:37.43 | CrazyTux | have you tried MX Linux or AntiX? |
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| 07:06.17 | jeffmr | Is there some good documentation somewhere that tells you how to edit a kernel and install it from start to finish? |
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| 07:09.49 | ktechmidas | jeffmr: edit a kernel? How do you mean? menuconfig? |
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| 07:19.12 | nbags | jeffmr: usually thats not an issue. the krenel is configured in a madular way, and only needed modules are loaded. unless you have specific requirements like an embedded system? |
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| 07:19.27 | nbags | s/madular/modular |
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| 07:22.52 | cmanns | Anybody around? |
| 07:23.06 | annadane | yes |
| 07:23.06 | cmanns | Need help with fstab/ext4 |
| 07:23.09 | annadane | !ask |
| 07:23.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:23.33 | cmanns | I installed Proxmox VE ontop of a debian jessie -> stretch |
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| 07:24.15 | cmanns | All was good, I forgot to check and went to change the ext3 to ext4, turns out it was ext4 I guess. At same time before reboot from Sysrescd (The remote hosted server has no kvm, but you can memory load sysrescue cd |
| 07:24.22 | jeffmr | I see. I'm trying to 'set up' the backlight driver, which involves loading a couple of kernel modules I think, for my chromebook. The source that I am working with is for a pixel in ubuntu. Someone has edited the source so it works in Ubuntu on his chromebook (the same one as mine) and I am trying to get that to work on mine in debian stretch but get an error when I try to make it. |
| 07:24.51 | jeffmr | http://www.pants.nu/~jmcminn/toshiba-2015-chromebook-linux.html |
| 07:24.57 | jeffmr | At the bottom of the page. |
| 07:24.59 | cmanns | Now it boots, but to system emergency mode it seems because root lvm isnt mounting, but I cant figure out why. I only put commands to change ext2/3 to 4, and changed the "options" under fstab. |
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| 07:26.54 | jeffmr | It complains about having no build directory, no targets specified and no makefile found. error 2 |
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| 07:27.15 | cmanns | https://pastebin.com/Sgn2BuXd heres a bit of info |
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| 07:27.37 | nbags | jeffmr: you dont need to recombile the kernel for that. you will need a linux-headers package to match your kernel, and the build-essential package. if it still fails it may not be designed for this particular kernel version and will have to be ported |
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| 07:28.44 | nbags | jeffmr: oh i just read your last comment. im not sure but you cant rul make if there is not makefile. but you are going down the wrong track thinking about recompiling the kernel |
| 07:28.45 | jeffmr | nbags: ok. I think I have the build-essential package. I'm not sure if I have the linux-headers. I'll try it. Thanks. |
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| 07:29.34 | jeffmr | nbags: Well I kind of went backwards and felt if I could edit and compile a kernel I could figure this out. |
| 07:30.57 | jeffmr | nbags: it says package linux-headers is not available. |
| 07:31.16 | cmanns | Also what is this EXT4-fs (sda1): mounting ext2 file system using the ext4 subsystem it should be ext4 filesystem |
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| 07:33.38 | jeffmr | nbags: and that it is referred to by another package although it doesn't say which one. |
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| 07:34.55 | jelly | cmanns: did you create the filesystem on /dev/sda1 as ext4? a separate /boot filesystem may often be ext2 or ext3. |
| 07:35.21 | cmanns | I do have separate boot |
| 07:35.37 | cmanns | The system is auto image from the host so not 100% sure the setup of jessie. |
| 07:35.55 | cmanns | The rescue cd can see all the data too, and the system does boot up half correct. |
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| 07:36.14 | nbags | jeffmr: try linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:36.48 | jeffmr | nbags: apt-get linux-headers... ? |
| 07:37.18 | nbags | apt install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:38.00 | nbags | with the backticks - should install the headers for the currently running kernel |
| 07:38.17 | jelly | cmanns: comments in fstab suggest sda1 is actually /boot so that one message is just fine |
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| 07:38.38 | jeffmr | nbags: says e: unable to locate package linux-headers-uname -r |
| 07:39.08 | jelly | jeffmr: if you can't type in `` properly, do: apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:39.41 | jeffmr | jelly: I did type ' |
| 07:39.47 | jelly | jeffmr: that's not ` |
| 07:39.48 | nbags | nbags: copy and pate it. they need to be backticks |
| 07:39.55 | nbags | jeffmr: ^^ |
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| 07:40.01 | jeffmr | Oh. ok. |
| 07:40.34 | jelly | just one reason why $() is better |
| 07:40.36 | cmanns | its not activating -root, swap is (both are lvm) |
| 07:40.40 | nbags | i gotta go, good luck jeffmr |
| 07:40.48 | jeffmr | thanks nbags |
| 07:41.08 | cmanns | how can I rebuild ext4 journal? |
| 07:41.53 | jelly | cmanns: do you have console access? |
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| 07:42.32 | cmanns | no just ssh |
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| 07:43.06 | jeffmr | jelly: unable to locate package linux-headers4.9.0-4-amd64, couldn't find glob linux-headers4.. and couldn't find regex linux-headers4.. |
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| 07:43.13 | jelly | cmanns: then looking at and fixing the boot process is going to be interesting |
| 07:43.28 | cmanns | thats why I was hoping for logs |
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| 07:43.43 | jelly | jeffmr: you missed a - in: apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:44.09 | jelly | jeffmr: or just install linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:44.24 | jeffmr | Ok. I've got it working now. Thanks. |
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| 07:45.59 | jelly | cmanns: can you bring lvm up (vgchange -ay) inside the rescue boot, and pastebin the output of: lsblk |
| 07:46.32 | jelly | oh, you seem to have it mounted already at /mnt |
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| 07:47.46 | jelly | cmanns: well there are some common boot issues that can happen with lvm; I'd try to rebuild initrd first. |
| 07:48.16 | jeffmr | jelly: is the middle button used to paste from the gnome-terminal? I have a trackpad and there is no middle button listed under mouse/trackpad panel. |
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| 07:48.43 | jelly | jeffmr: I have no idea about Gnome. |
| 07:49.20 | cmanns | not sure how I could rebuild initrd if only can use live-cd sysrescue |
| 07:49.28 | jelly | jeffmr: but if you have two physical buttons, a middle click is usually emulated by clicking both at the same time |
| 07:49.50 | jeffmr | Just one button but I think I found it. |
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| 07:50.09 | rawruw | is there any reason whatsoever to learn syslog? |
| 07:51.26 | jelly | cmanns: let's assume your / is mounted at /mnt; then mount your /boot (/dev/sda1) at /mnt/boot, bind-mount /sys, /dev and /proc under /mnt, and chroot into that. You should be able to run update-initramfs inside chroot then |
| 07:51.46 | jeffmr | jelly: https://pastebin.com/1KcAcRnH |
| 07:51.54 | jelly | rawruw: that's a very vague question, so, "yes" |
| 07:52.20 | Haxxa | My cpu is pegged at 100% across 1 core yet I have no process in htop using more than 1% - how can I figure out whats going on? |
| 07:52.48 | cmanns | hm but if the system is booting up almost all the way.. I dont think thats the problem |
| 07:52.52 | rawruw | syslog and sysvinit sucks, why didn't they invent a better logging/init system from the start |
| 07:52.59 | jelly | jeffmr: sorry, I have no idea what that is about and haven't read your actual question. |
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| 07:53.15 | jeffmr | jelly: ok, thanks for your help. |
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| 07:54.06 | cmanns | What I did was tune2fs command on /dev/sda1 and sda2, I wonder if it affected the ext. I ran ext3 to ext4 after ext2 to 3 just now. First got journal already, then did 3-4 and that took awhile. It also finds both partitions in the group (root/swap) mounts swap, never mentions root in syslog |
| 07:55.07 | jelly | cmanns: some older boot loaders have issues with /boot as ext4; you may want to go back to ext2 or ext3 with that one |
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| 07:55.30 | jelly | cmanns: can you pastebin output of: lsblk |
| 07:55.45 | jelly | cmanns: I don't see what you're using sda2 for. |
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| 07:56.23 | cmanns | https://pastebin.com/5t4fpsjL |
| 07:56.26 | cmanns | Its sda5 hm |
| 07:57.12 | jelly | what's the other disk for? |
| 07:57.31 | cmanns | thats our old drive |
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| 08:00.57 | jelly | cmanns: go set up chroot, chroot into it. After that, there are a couple things to try: 1) reformat /boot back to ext3 (copy the contents somewhere, umount, mkfs.ext3, fix fstab, mount it again, copy the data back, reinstall grub) |
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| 08:01.30 | jelly | cmanns: or ext2 if that's what you had by default |
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| 08:03.37 | jelly | cmanns: you're not likely to see anything useful in logs -- if the boot process never found the root filesystem, it could not have logged anything to disk |
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| 08:04.32 | jelly | cmanns: you're not likely to see anything useful in logs -- if the boot process never found the root filesystem, it could not have logged anything to disk |
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| 08:05.19 | cmanns | I did chroot now |
| 08:05.31 | cmanns | After this ill just reformat |
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| 08:11.15 | cmanns | that didnt work either, well the drive that failed had 28k hours, this one 50k and lots of errors too in smart, def asked for another |
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| 08:11.58 | jelly | what did you do precisely? |
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| 08:12.33 | jelly | cmanns: did reinstallation of grub to /dev/sda succeed? |
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| 08:18.43 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
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| 08:19.50 | no_gravity | When you guys do "mtr <ip-of-your-router>" how much packet loss do you get? |
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| 08:22.08 | cmanns | I only did initfs update jelly , the hard drive feels slower then our previous degraded performance (and crashing) drive, I think this problem is more a sign of a bad drive. |
| 08:22.20 | donut_ | no_gravity: my router or my isps router? |
| 08:22.43 | no_gravity | donut_: Your router. |
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| 08:27.56 | f-a | hello folks, I am installing debian but after selecting "graphical install" I only see a blinking cursors, what should I look into? |
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| 08:30.50 | ntz3615 | f-a: i only use text install, so no experience here with the graphical installer. i guess the X server or the kernel framebuffer driver has problems with your gfx card. in the installer system, is there a boot option like "vesa framebuffer" or similar? |
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| 08:34.06 | f-a | ntz3615: text installed does that too, unfortunately |
| 08:34.28 | f-a | ntz3615: I'll check one second |
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| 08:37.26 | f-a | apparently no, ntz3615 |
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| 08:46.00 | ntz3615 | f-a: IIRC the text installer uses vga16fb. if even that fails, there must be a way to suppress that and use standard vga text mode (80x25 chars) |
| 08:46.34 | ntz3615 | f-a: i never had this problem so i don't know if there is a boot parameter for this |
| 08:48.29 | ntz3615 | f-a: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch05s03.html.en says there is a boot parameter DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text |
| 08:49.15 | ntz3615 | f-a: but i don't know if that controls the installer application or the kernel's text mode |
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| 08:51.46 | f-a | ntz3615: thanks, I'll try this now |
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| 09:01.14 | gordonschamway | hi. i am creating a script that depends on python-gtk. I wish to add the option to install this package in case it doesn't exist, within my script. How can i use apt to search for packages that are already installed? |
| 09:01.17 | jelly | cmanns: heh, where are you hosted to get reused drives as replacement, hetzner? :-) |
| 09:02.59 | themill | !installed test |
| 09:02.59 | dpkg | To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that "installed" isn't a simple concept -- is the package configured yet? is it actually scheduled for removal? See man dpkg "package states" and "selection states" for more details. |
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| 09:03.41 | themill | gordonschamway: ^^ I know that I'd never trust some external script that suddenly wants my password to do things, however. |
| 09:04.12 | gordonschamway | themill, thanx ;-) |
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| 09:04.38 | f-a | ntz3615: I started with expert and there was a "probing EDD" which hanged the system apparently. With edd=off it works. Weird! |
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| 09:07.32 | cmanns | lool jelly we just found out |
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| 09:09.15 | cmanns | I used to rack in this DC, they fixed bandwidth issues (my friend paid for his own office and stuff in the building and he added better then cogent like circa 07) then the building went through spurts of power issues. Now days powers 100% solid, network close but yeah no KVM and not even new HDD. Jeez |
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| 10:01.45 | jolt | GregUK: probably because it doesn't have to resolv anything which makes it faster. But I think there is an option to do resolv if you need it |
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| 10:03.07 | jolt | GregUK: Ah, UseDNS in sshd is set to no by default. Change it to yes and try again |
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| 10:04.12 | jolt | GregUK: Since it's set to no, it doesn't feed the hostname to pam_lastlog, so it doesn't have the hostname to write to the log |
| 10:05.38 | GregUK | jolt: That worked, thanks! I'm sure it used to default to yes. Perhaps that changed with a recent update. |
| 10:05.49 | Raven737 | Hi, question: I want my system to only shutdown when i press my power button 3 times within 3 seconds. Is that possible? As far as i understand, an ACPI signal is sent which systemd processes. I set systemd login.conf HandlePowerKey=ignore and am want to install acpi-support thinking it will then handle acpi events instead, is that correct? |
| 10:07.29 | Raven737 | I could then try to make a script to check if the last time the script was called is>3s if so, set time=now and count=0, else increase count and if count>=3 then poweroff |
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| 10:09.06 | Raven737 | Would that work? I have the problem that the power button on my system is extreamly sensitive (lightly blowing on it probably causes it to trigger a shutdown!) but i also don't want to just ignore it as it is headless and i want to be able to gracefully shut it down locally... so |
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| 10:11.55 | annadane | sudo shutdown now? :P |
| 10:12.13 | abff | -r |
| 10:12.19 | abff | snickers |
| 10:12.36 | abff | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97565/configure-power-button-to-shutdown-on-debian#97581 one websearch found me this |
| 10:13.15 | annadane | i mean, the shutdown command has a timer so that's a good "graceful" approach and it's better than just jabbing the power button |
| 10:13.35 | jolt | GregUK: There was a bunch of updates to sshd_config for stretch, so it's very possible. Also, since most users have ssh enabled (and perhaps a broken reverse) I can only speculate that it was set to no to not have that boring delay when logging in from a net with broken resolver |
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| 10:15.13 | Raven737 | annadane: problem is that if I am infront of the system, not connected via ssh and it doesn't have a monitor/keyboard connected, then i can't issue commands, at that time, I want to shutdown via power button but not via single press to insure it is not an accidental press |
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| 10:15.54 | Raven737 | abff: thank you, yes, i am running 9.2.1 so... systemd and by default no acpi anything, right? I can install acpi-support and hopt it will get along / work? |
| 10:16.35 | annadane | yeah fair |
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| 10:18.11 | abff | Raven737 I don't see why you couldn't make a script to run shutdown after that occurs, modifying those scripts mention in the post |
| 10:18.21 | abff | but what is 9.2.1 in reference to? |
| 10:18.34 | abff | kernel versions are at 4 |
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| 10:19.47 | Raven737 | abff: Debian 9.2, kernal is 4.9. I don't see a acpi folder in etc and i read it is no handled by systemd so i think i need to tell systemd to ignore the powerbtn acpi and then install acpi-support to get script support back as mentioned in the post? |
| 10:20.19 | abff | Raven737 that I do not know and would just be doing more websearches for you |
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| 10:20.44 | mar77i | uh, I wonder: is there a simple way to uninstall all packages I installed with apt-get install postgresql? |
| 10:21.26 | abff | Raven737 but I am fairly certain acpi is handled at the kernel level on my machine |
| 10:21.28 | jaxson | mar77i, try apt-get purge postgresql |
| 10:21.52 | jaxson | unless you want to keep postgresql without the rest .. which makes little sense.. |
| 10:21.57 | annadane | apt purge postgresql apt autoremove |
| 10:22.06 | mar77i | look, I'm testing a script I want to use for infrastructure, and it turns out the set of packages removed by apt-get purge --auto-remove postgresql isn't the same set of packages that was installed. |
| 10:22.35 | abff | mar77i just becareful when using purge and autoremove, double check all the packages apt tries to get rid of you wouldn't want to purge something you need |
| 10:22.43 | abff | it's happened to me |
| 10:22.45 | annadane | (or apt remove i guess) |
| 10:22.49 | themill | !suggestsimportant |
| 10:22.49 | dpkg | When considering if a package can be autoremoved, apt considers a Suggests relationship to be something that it should not break. Apt has no way of knowing if that suggestion is important to you or not. If you want apt to break Suggests relationships: "aptitude -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false remove". Be sure to read what it is planning. |
| 10:23.06 | jaxson | yeh remove is probably safer than purge then .. so the config files don't get deleted etc.. |
| 10:23.22 | mar77i | okay, but assuming I only removed... |
| 10:23.23 | abff | ty themill |
| 10:23.42 | Raven737 | abff: yes, sorry, i am searching and wrote what I found but wanted to confirm. Guess i have to just try it and hope for the best xD |
| 10:24.32 | abff | Raven737 yeah afaik kernel is in charge of acpi on my machine (not certain though) which means you might have to compile your own kernel or maybe hotplug your own module?? that's too deep for my knowledge |
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| 10:24.56 | jaxson | mar77i, the other way is to keep a list and dpkg -r each one in the list |
| 10:25.03 | Raven737 | abff: ok, thanks for the help, i'll try |
| 10:25.04 | annadane | sorry for automatically recommending "purge". i always do that so it was a very stream of consciousness suggestion |
| 10:26.34 | mar77i | well seriously now: packages installed on apt install postgresql: libicu57 libpq5 libxml2 openssl postgresql-9.6 postgresql-client-9.6 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common ssl-cert. packages removed on apt remove postgresql: postgresql... |
| 10:27.33 | colo-work | `apt-get autoremove` |
| 10:27.34 | annadane | well, right, because the others are seperate packages |
| 10:27.55 | annadane | honestly autoremove in theory should be fine in stable |
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| 10:28.00 | mar77i | colo-work: that's what I tried before I came to ask here. |
| 10:28.06 | annadane | as long as it's in accordance with your wishes, read what apt says etc |
| 10:28.29 | annadane | so okay, apt remove all the packages it lists? |
| 10:28.36 | jaxson | not sure you should be removing openssl .. but you may not use it.. |
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| 10:30.01 | mar77i | jaxson: this is a blank vm, and passing my script --reset should simply undo what it did without. I didn't install it explicitly otherwise, but I don't understand why the process isn't simply reversible. |
| 10:30.16 | themill | mar77i: what dpkg said |
| 10:30.46 | mar77i | hmm. okay. I'll check that out. |
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| 10:31.11 | mar77i | anyway a better idea before I doubt my own cognitive abilities :( |
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| 10:33.43 | mar77i | ...urm what if I tried and it still didn't pick up the packages I listed earlier? |
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| 10:36.12 | mrmuggles | where can I learn about limits.conf ulimits etc? I don't mind reading a book or whatnot, id just like extensive information about it and not just short summaries or paragraphs about it. |
| 10:36.20 | mrmuggles | I would like to properly understand how it works |
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| 10:44.18 | ettalie | Any basic manual for iptables that start from basic to advanced? I´m a new guy. |
| 10:44.29 | GregUK | jolt: I've just checked and can confirm that the default changed from 'yes' to 'no' between Jessie and Stretch. Many thanks! |
| 10:44.53 | jolt | GregUK: np! |
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| 10:53.36 | mar77i | ...nope. https://i.imgur.com/KnIFgKx.png |
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| 10:56.21 | mar77i | see the output at the top with the postgresql packages? that's output from apt-flag showauto |
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| 11:10.03 | babilen | ettalie: Try #netfilter and take a look at https://thermicorp.de/netfilter/index.html |
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| 11:12.16 | willralston | Hi. I know nothing about installing packages. |
| 11:12.21 | willralston | I had an account on a Linux shell running Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy). It didn't have the Lynx browser that I wanted. Someone gave me a file lynx-bin 1,489,712 bytes that I simply put in my home dir., and it ran without any make or compiling or anything. I just had to add a lynx.cfg. |
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| 11:12.39 | willralston | Then the admin of the shell updated the server to "Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)". Now when I run ~/lynx-bin I get this message: |
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| 11:13.08 | willralston | "~/lynx-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 11:13.24 | willralston | How can I run Lynx now? How come it won't run on the new server? I can't find any libgnutls* on the old server which I can still access for the moment. |
| 11:13.35 | FinalX | sounds like you compiled your own lynx, you should recompile it with the newer gnutls libs |
| 11:13.53 | FinalX | wheezy to stretch is a pretty big jump, and i'm quite sure there's a much more recent version of gnutls now |
| 11:13.57 | babilen | willralston: The binary has been compiled against a different library version. Lynx is packaged in Debian and you can install it with "apt install lynx" |
| 11:14.09 | FinalX | babilen: he's not the admin |
| 11:14.18 | FinalX | which is probably why he compiled it himself :) |
| 11:14.21 | babilen | (or recompile the software against current binaries) |
| 11:14.31 | babilen | FinalX: Well, then ask the admin to install that package |
| 11:14.42 | FinalX | yeah, I'd do that, too |
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| 11:15.23 | willralston | Someone I was chatting with in the shell's IRC # gave me lynx-bin. I guess he compiled it |
| 11:15.30 | willralston | years ago |
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| 11:15.50 | babilen | I wouldn't necessarily run binaries that were given to me by some random guy on IRC |
| 11:15.56 | rant | heh |
| 11:15.56 | willralston | I see. Nothing to do but get the admin to do it |
| 11:16.15 | babilen | That would definitely be the easiest way, yeah |
| 11:16.24 | zamuro | Why not? Seems fun... and legit. |
| 11:16.25 | willralston | He was an op on the shelll's channel |
| 11:16.34 | willralston | and known to the admin |
| 11:16.41 | willralston | kind of a co-admin |
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| 11:17.27 | babilen | It really is up to you to decide if you trust that person or not. As a general rule "Don't run binaries someone on IRC gave me" should be sensible :) |
| 11:18.14 | willralston | I am well aware of the dangers of running executables |
| 11:18.23 | babilen | Either way that binary is not outdated and you need a version that is linked against current libraries. The, IMHO, best way to achieve that is by having the 'lynx' package installed on that box. |
| 11:18.24 | rant | yeah.. you don't eat unwrapped candies just because its halloween |
| 11:21.43 | willralston | Should I be able to find the old libgnutls.so.26 on the Debian 7 server with a whereis or something? Then copy it to the new server? |
| 11:22.14 | babilen | You should, but I'd advise against it |
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| 11:23.32 | willralston | why would that be a bad thing to do? whereis libgnutls.so.26 returns nothing anyway |
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| 11:24.07 | willralston | but it must be there somewhere because my lynx-bin file runs |
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| 11:26.24 | babilen | Because it would mean running an unpatched and unmaintained library which might have severe security implications |
| 11:27.44 | willralston | oic |
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| 11:36.04 | kusfedora | is it possible to not detect wifi chip at boot? I installed debian with expert install so I could skip the network hardware identification but I can't boot because I am stuck at https://hastebin.com/axijonuyal.sh I am already doing acpi=off debug verbose in the grub command in the linux line |
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| 11:42.35 | Epakai | kusfedora: you can blacklist the driver. add 'modprobe.blacklist=bcma' to your grub command |
| 11:42.46 | CrazyTux | hello, can I install SAP ERP on Debian 9? |
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| 11:44.52 | babilen | CrazyTux: Don't they only support SLES, RedHat and maybe Oracle? Ubuntu? |
| 11:45.18 | CrazyTux | babilen, do they support Ubuntu also? |
| 11:45.20 | kusfedora | Epakai it booted! |
| 11:45.54 | babilen | CrazyTux: I have no idea. I'd be surprised if they support Debian as they haven't in the past, but SAP should know what they support and I'd recommend to use that. |
| 11:46.05 | Epakai | kusfedora: there may be some specific option to pass to the bcma driver to get it working, not familiar with that hardware though |
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| 11:46.37 | CrazyTux | They support SLES, Redhat and Oracle. I am not sure about Ubuntu. |
| 11:46.51 | babilen | That matches my expectations |
| 11:47.05 | CrazyTux | what could be the reason for SAP not supporting Debian? |
| 11:47.14 | babilen | $MONEY |
| 11:47.46 | CrazyTux | but, Debian is a OS that has such a huge userbase. |
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| 11:47.56 | iodev | Yep; I'm bankrupt :D echo $MONEY shows blank line |
| 11:48.00 | shpingrlde | Debian is poetteringed from version 8 |
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| 11:48.08 | SpeedyG | userbase yes, but not sufficiently commercial-driven like RH/Suse etc |
| 11:48.23 | kusfedora | what a beautiful verb |
| 11:48.23 | jelly | CrazyTux: no commercial support? Ask the sap people. |
| 11:49.41 | kusfedora | I don't know if I care enough about this hp mini 210... the display resoution is 1024x600 and the broadcom chip is just cherry on top |
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| 11:51.11 | CrazyTux | I don't mind if Debian is not supported. I just want SAP ERP to be installed and run on Debian. |
| 11:51.27 | jelly | CrazyTux: I want a pony |
| 11:52.23 | jelly | !nopony CrazyTux |
| 11:52.23 | dpkg | CrazyTux: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
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| 11:52.56 | CrazyTux | lol |
| 11:53.43 | tarzeau | https://wiki.scn.sap.com/wiki/display/ATopics/Supported+Platforms |
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| 11:53.59 | tarzeau | it's like i want apple maps on my german audi aX and audi doesn't care |
| 11:54.52 | CrazyTux | btw, how much do these distros cost? |
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| 11:55.11 | tarzeau | CrazyTux: redhat? suse? depends. there's not one price |
| 11:55.25 | CrazyTux | redhat? |
| 11:55.27 | nbags | if you can install it on RHEL it should work on CentOS, which is free |
| 11:55.48 | CrazyTux | ok. How about OpenSuse? |
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| 11:56.17 | tarzeau | CrazyTux: do you have the sap software already? |
| 11:56.26 | CrazyTux | tarzeau, no. |
| 11:56.31 | tarzeau | CrazyTux: i doubt they'll give it to you, without making sure you have supported hardware/software |
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| 11:56.59 | CrazyTux | tarzeau, ok |
| 11:57.10 | tarzeau | they will sell it with individual solution, including installation, maintenance, adaptions to your business |
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| 11:58.32 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 11:59.21 | CrazyTux | but, suppose I get that SAP Software, can I somehow install it on Debian, Ubuntu or Opensuse? |
| 12:00.07 | nbags | i wonder if i can install it on my iPod Classic |
| 12:00.25 | CrazyTux | lol |
| 12:00.28 | jelly | CrazyTux: "can" is a completely different question from "will SAP provide any kind of support when you have any kind of issue" |
| 12:00.41 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 12:01.17 | nbags | CrazyTux: i think you are on your own. but CentOS is almost idential to RHEL so thats the distro i'd be trying |
| 12:01.33 | CrazyTux | nbags, ok. I will try that. |
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| 12:02.02 | koollman | CrazyTux: sap is pretty specific about what is and is not supported (by them). You can do a lot of other things, but then, do not expect them (or me) to help you :) |
| 12:02.19 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 12:04.53 | CrazyTux | can Tally ERP 9 be installed on Debian 9? |
| 12:05.08 | CrazyTux | https://tallysolutions.com/tally-erp9/ |
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| 12:07.40 | CrazyTux | through Wine or PlayonLinux? |
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| 12:09.10 | linurandy | does anyone install qq-im on debian? |
| 12:10.42 | gpunk | CrazyTux why do you need that ? what does it do for you ? |
| 12:11.05 | jelly | !tias |
| 12:11.05 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 12:11.42 | CrazyTux | I needed an Accounting ERP software. SAP and Tally Solutions provide that. |
| 12:12.34 | gpunk | I think there are opensource solutions for that, that would run natively on any linux |
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| 12:12.46 | gpunk | checkout sourceforge |
| 12:12.50 | jelly | CrazyTux: best use a supported platform. Note that your platform might be a VM running on a debian host. |
| 12:13.32 | gpunk | besides, it s Indian software ;) |
| 12:13.37 | gpunk | lol |
| 12:13.40 | CrazyTux | ok. Like Windows in Virtual Box? |
| 12:13.53 | CrazyTux | gpunk, why lol? |
| 12:14.00 | gpunk | long story ... |
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| 12:14.18 | CrazyTux | I am eager to listen to that |
| 12:14.29 | gpunk | you cant, i ll go to jail for that |
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| 12:17.31 | CrazyTux | gpunk, that makes me even more curious. |
| 12:17.43 | gpunk | :) |
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| 12:18.24 | rdz | is there a way to check if a certain service is started by a systemd service unit or by /etc/init.d/ script? |
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| 12:19.18 | rdz | both, jessie and stretch, run systemd, but snmpd runs as sysvinit script in jessie, but as a true systemd unit in stretch. how can i distinguish those two? |
| 12:19.56 | CrazyTux | but, India has some of the best IT companies in the world. |
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| 12:23.09 | rant | I ran into an issue last night on Debian 9 with a Yamaha PSR-E433 keyboard hooked via USB, where musescore was showing the notes backwards (high/treble notes on the right bass/low notes on the left) and kmidimon showed keycodes left-to-right as 36 thru 96 anyone have suggestions on this issue? I was using just ALSA couldnt seem to get it to work at all via jack. |
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| 12:29.25 | gpunk | rdz does systemctl status $servicename helps ? |
| 12:30.17 | mar77i | hmm, turns out there's an /etc/apt.conf/01autoremove-postgresql file... |
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| 12:32.45 | rdz | gpunk, thanks.. this shows some slight difference between jessie and stretch |
| 12:33.01 | rdz | but i would have to parse the output in a not so comfortable way |
| 12:33.22 | rdz | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/snmpd.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) |
| 12:33.26 | rdz | vs, |
| 12:33.28 | rdz | vs: |
| 12:33.38 | rdz | Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/snmpd) |
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| 12:35.40 | gpunk | ...:) |
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| 12:37.34 | linurandy | does anyone install qq-im on debian? |
| 12:38.14 | gpunk | there is no qq-mm in debian repos. |
| 12:38.44 | sbeyer | is qq that chinese instant messenger? |
| 12:38.54 | annadane | !anyone |
| 12:38.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:39.05 | sbeyer | (I guess it's not open source and hence not in debian) |
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| 12:39.16 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day :D |
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| 13:25.40 | rant | sbeyer: its a chinese instant messanger.. it may not be THAT one though |
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| 13:26.22 | rant | linurandy: if I recall correctly pidgin supports qq |
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| 13:31.16 | rant | though it would seem the libqq-pidgin is not in Debian and apparently it IS a proprietary protocol incompatible with DFSG |
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| 13:32.12 | absurdist | is there a tool to put samba in a sandbox |
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| 13:32.51 | rant | chroot |
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| 13:33.47 | petn-randall | rant: protocols can't be incompatible with DFSG, it only applies to code. |
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| 13:34.19 | petn-randall | rant: You could write a skype clone that fully complies to the DFSG. |
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| 13:34.30 | rant | petn-randall: yes I know.. I meant the app itself and/or the library that implements it |
| 13:35.32 | gpunk | qq-im website has a binary for linux ... |
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| 13:36.32 | petn-randall | rant: pidgin is free software, and the library too (GNU GPLv3). |
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| 13:36.41 | petn-randall | https://code.google.com/archive/p/libqq-pidgin/ |
| 13:37.23 | petn-randall | I'd that that just nobody has packaged it yet, there are no license restrictions stopping it from becoming a package in Debian main. |
| 13:37.29 | petn-randall | s/that/say/ |
| 13:37.55 | rant | ok well thats dually noted.. also note that I don't care absoulutely at all.. I was just responding to the inquiries about it to the best of my ability |
| 13:38.06 | rant | so now I know for next time, and you can stop going on about it :P |
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| 13:39.24 | gpunk | there is a webqq too :) |
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| 13:41.05 | rant | only messaging system I use is freenode irc. I sometimes reluctantly use email.. so yeah.. as previously stated /me doesn't really care.. smart ass :P |
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| 13:43.20 | rant | anyone know of a channel specific to producing music on Debian? doesn't seem questions about it are likely to get responses here.. and I know very little about those kinds of applications. |
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| 13:53.30 | ForceRecon | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-5-free-linux-music-creation-tools-artist-budget/ |
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| 13:55.27 | ForceRecon | this isnt too old either maybe it will help - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Linux-Distributions-for-Audio-Production-64552.shtml |
| 13:56.30 | rant | yeah finding the tools wasnt the problem.. I installed two dozen or more.. knowing which ones to use or how is more the issue |
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| 13:57.12 | rant | and its not me personally, its a new user I installed, who has never used a computer before.. they are quite proficient on the keyboard and just looking to find a place to discuss the art of making music on a computer |
| 13:57.32 | ForceRecon | have you msg'd alis? |
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| 13:58.02 | rant | yes and I have them registered on freenode and auto-joined to many channels like ##music and ##audio with hexchat |
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| 13:58.40 | linurandy | thanks |
| 13:58.48 | ForceRecon | seems like you have a good handle on it.. unfortunately I dpn |
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| 13:59.00 | ForceRecon | don't know were to point you |
| 13:59.29 | rant | yeah.. I;ve asked twice in here about an issue we ran into last night hooking his keyboard up and got no responses so I gathered this support channel isnt real big on music people |
| 13:59.44 | rant | I've been here for about 15 years myself and have no knowledge of those areas of our system so.. |
| 14:00.22 | rant | I managed to get his keyboard linked up and working but its reading it backwards.. the high keys are on the right instead of the left |
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| 14:00.56 | ForceRecon | wow.. that's interesting.. maybe a setting.. which application are you actually using? |
| 14:01.01 | rant | I'm proficient enough to write some sort of plugin or modify a driver to do the simple math of reversing the keycodes |
| 14:01.09 | rant | just not sure what level to do it at |
| 14:02.16 | rant | ForceRecon: thats the part I don't know.. I know kmidimon said its showing right-to-left the keycodes his keyboard gives are 36 thru 96 (61 keys) but IDK if those are non-standard and if so if its the keyboard or the alsa driver thats the problem, or if its just the musescore program |
| 14:02.44 | rant | musescore has a plugin framework and IDE built in for writing plugins.. and its simpe math of 132-keycode to reverse them |
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| 14:03.11 | rant | I also found mididings which can as it seems intercept midi channels and write plugins |
| 14:03.35 | rant | just not sure what to make of the issue having no experience with such things |
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| 14:03.55 | ForceRecon | I am more curious WHY it reversed them. Does using pulse audio change anything or that would not matter |
| 14:04.23 | rant | well I couldnt seem to get musescore to register any input using pulse or jack, it only worked using alsa.. so idk |
| 14:04.46 | rant | jack was getting the input though near as I could tell.. just wasnt working in musescore. |
| 14:05.09 | ForceRecon | here is an image that might tell you which level or it might be garbage - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1794581 |
| 14:05.12 | rant | these are the kinds of things only someone experienced with such stuff would know |
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| 14:06.01 | linurandy | how can i install a package from launchpad in debian 9 |
| 14:06.24 | rant | linurandy: thats not supported here. its highly recommended that you do not do such things |
| 14:06.30 | ForceRecon | agreed,, you need to know what you are doing or have done some of it at some time to even troubleshoot |
| 14:06.51 | rant | linurandy: the support we offer on that is that you tell us what you're trying to do and we'll see if we can find an alternate solution that won't break debian |
| 14:06.56 | Brigo | !frankendebian |
| 14:06.56 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:07.21 | ForceRecon | I hope you get some better information than me.. Good luck on your endeavor.. I am not leaving but I need to step away for a few.. |
| 14:07.31 | linurandy | just take de lqmm plugins for my pidgin in debian 9 |
| 14:07.42 | rant | ForceRecon: yeah I can't even tell if the data cominng from t keyboard is correct cause I've never used a midi keyboard before |
| 14:08.05 | rant | though now that I think about it, I could've monitored the virtual midi keyboard to see what it sent and how it worked |
| 14:08.18 | rant | that didnt occur to me last night |
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| 14:08.40 | rant | if the vitual keybboard does the same thing then I know its just the app in question |
| 14:09.07 | rant | then I can just write a simple plugin for that app and file a bug against it |
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| 14:10.15 | rant | seems that user left befoe I could answer |
| 14:10.52 | rant | the downside of ignoring PARTS/JOINS/QUITS in a high volume channel is not knowing these things :P |
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| 14:13.41 | rant | well as usual the questions I tend to need to ask in here are beyond the knowledge available and I wound up answering my own question.. fairly certain now the key to that particular issue was to make use of the virtual midi keyboard for further debugging |
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| 14:14.22 | ForceRecon | heh.. seems like you just needed to write it down and talk it out LOUD.. |
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| 14:15.09 | rant | I used to think people were just ignoring me.. but I suppose when you been using/supporting debian so long you only run into the kinds of issues that would stump everyone else too.. so.. |
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| 14:16.23 | rant | unfortunately our system is so large and ever growing and our regular supporters are only familiar with the core stuff and whatever niche apps they use.. so the support community is lacking in a lot of areas |
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| 14:17.17 | rant | I remember back in the day we used to at least be able to support our major DEs to some degree, now that we got 4 big ones and most of us don't use them, its rare we can even solve common issues new users have |
| 14:18.15 | ForceRecon | well having been in other chat rooms for other distro, its also tough that debian IRC gets a bad wrap about crappy help and mean mods |
| 14:18.19 | rant | one thing I've seen a lot of in here in the last couple weeks is bluetooth issues.. and they've been going largely unanswered |
| 14:18.45 | ForceRecon | yeah I had one too.,. I downloaded the firmware, etc.. still not working.. have no idea how to fix it |
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| 14:19.08 | ForceRecon | not really a problem for me, but it would be nice to solve |
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| 14:20.17 | progtr | hello, how do I avoid typing my password after every screenlock |
| 14:20.23 | rant | ForceRecon: yes thats why the Debian project had moved to OFTC officially. I've formed a project to try address some of these issues and integrate our support resources and create for us a sort of frontend like Windows has.. a sort of Help and Support Center that has access to our docs, diagnostic trees, and access to our support resource like irc/mailing-lists/bts all in a more wizard-like format that |
| 14:20.24 | progtr | stretch uding gnome 3 |
| 14:20.29 | rant | insures new users follow our well tested processes and uses our resources best |
| 14:21.02 | rant | progtr: you want to go into settings and look for screensaver and uncheck the lock function |
| 14:21.22 | rant | progtr: you cannot avoid password on lock.. thats what a lock is.. but you can avoid locking on screensaver/suspend |
| 14:21.30 | ForceRecon | sounds like a great plan.. however, that is a lot of your time don't you think? |
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| 14:22.06 | rant | ForceRecon: yeah well really I dont have the chops to pull it off, I been noodling the idea for years.. thats why I've created a project to hopefully garner enough support to make it happen |
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| 14:23.29 | rant | ForceRecon: https://kathryntolsen.github.io/diss though we've migrated to gitlab, but I've yet to memorize that URL :P |
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| 14:24.28 | ForceRecon | that's awesome I will actually read that when I get back from lunch.. seems thorough. |
| 14:24.49 | rant | we're still very much in planning faze and really need some programmers.. |
| 14:24.57 | `levi | the newer amdgpu driver in stretch supports newer AMD gpus, yet x seems to be using the default intel graphic card, is this common? |
| 14:25.40 | rant | `levi: idk, is it working? cause if so, why complain? I've heard that amdgpu driver is crap.. but I don't know one way or another |
| 14:26.23 | rant | I mean amd64 instruction set is also used on intel cpus.. as Shakespeare said, "what's in a name?" |
| 14:26.59 | metastable | Because his AMD GPU is probably a hell of a lot more powerful than the Intel one. |
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| 14:27.35 | ForceRecon | https://paste.debian.net/994401/ |
| 14:27.41 | `levi | rant: yes it's working, I'm just curious as to why x decided to use the processor of the integrated gpu. As far as I understood that'll make me slower |
| 14:27.49 | rant | doesnt mean that they may speak the same way to X11 and thus they didn't make a new driver for the X side |
| 14:28.09 | metastable | ... what? |
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| 14:28.40 | rant | his question was why is he using the amdgpu driver but X is using an intel driver |
| 14:28.41 | ForceRecon | after doing windows for over 30 years who would have thought I would be learning linux.. Maybe another 30 to get this right.. |
| 14:29.16 | metastable | `levi: I'd confirm via lsmod that the AMD GPU driver is actually loaded. |
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| 14:29.51 | metastable | `levi: I'd also confirm whether or not any manual X configuration needs to take place to use the AMD driver, or if manual X config has been done previously that's causing it to use the Intel driver. |
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| 14:31.52 | `levi | https://paste.debian.net/994404/ |
| 14:31.58 | TheBoy | hello |
| 14:32.23 | `levi | metastable: how can I check if I need to configure X manually? |
| 14:32.33 | metastable | `levi: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo Also confirm that you've installed the proper firmware stuff. X may need that loaded. |
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| 14:35.09 | metastable | `levi: In Stretch, it may be doing dual GPU work, too. Stretch supports that. |
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| 14:37.28 | `levi | I see |
| 14:38.23 | `levi | but if it's like that then why does $ lspci -v | grep VGA only display the intel hd graphics? |
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| 14:40.32 | metastable | `levi: Not sure. I don't use AMD GPUs, I'm just reading through docs. Try doing the DRI test at the end of that page. |
| 14:40.49 | metastable | `levi: xrandr --listproviders should list both. |
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| 14:41.12 | `levi | it does, yes |
| 14:41.19 | metastable | `levi: Then that's what's happening. |
| 14:41.33 | metastable | `levi: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Debian_Stretch_.28testing.29 |
| 14:41.37 | metastable | Read that a little more closelt. |
| 14:41.41 | metastable | s/closelt/closely/ |
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| 14:46.36 | wowsuchguest | Hi! Does anyone use apt-offline? The documentation appears to be outdated and I'm having some issues getting it to work. |
| 14:47.09 | ForceRecon | what is the command to see only the error messages for your system in message? |
| 14:47.20 | ForceRecon | I can never remember the syntax |
| 14:47.32 | `levi | metastable: ty, I suppose they're being used both as you said! |
| 14:47.41 | wowsuchguest | ForceRecon: which command? journalctl -xn ? |
| 14:47.42 | ForceRecon | from terminal.. sorry |
| 14:47.51 | metastable | `levi: I wish NVIDIA was so easy. |
| 14:47.55 | ForceRecon | I thought it was a grep messages error thing |
| 14:48.24 | wowsuchguest | you usually have the file /var/log/messages; maybe that's what you want to grep? |
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| 14:50.23 | TheBoy | metastable: I'm working in the NVIDIA Quadro2000 without drivers, I have juste probleme with multiscreen. |
| 14:50.37 | metastable | TheBoy: nouveau? |
| 14:50.55 | TheBoy | yeah |
| 14:50.57 | metastable | TheBoy: I was specifically referring to prime/bumblebee-style setups. |
| 14:51.17 | metastable | Or does that work a little more cleanly under nouveau, now? |
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| 14:54.26 | wowsuchguest | Any takers on my apt-offline issue? :-) |
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| 14:55.31 | wowsuchguest | When I do "apt-offline install apt-target/", I get some "Failed to sync file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/.....", and "apt-cache show htop" still can't find the package, meaning that the apt-get update failed. |
| 14:55.35 | ForceRecon | I understand the error for bluetooth - what is the one below it referring too? |
| 14:55.36 | ForceRecon | [ 10.267322] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd failed with error -2 |
| 14:55.36 | ForceRecon | [287203.810045] cinnamon[1074]: segfault at b0 ip 00007fad6fb378c3 sp 00007ffe084b1c10 error 6 in libcinnamon-menu-3.so.0.0.1[7fad6fb31000+1a000] |
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| 14:59.44 | ForceRecon | sudo dmesg | grep -i error |
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| 15:09.44 | gpunk | BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd does it exists on your FS ? |
| 15:09.50 | gpunk | ForceRecon |
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| 15:17.40 | rant | ForceRecon: use -T with dmesg to get normal timestamps.. but its clear by the timestamp that those two messages are far apart in time and unrelated, the cinnamon error is due to a segfault which could be caused by a bug. segfaults occur when something accesses memory outside its address space as defined by the kernel |
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| 15:22.58 | wowsuchguest | segfaults should not happen often but they do; sometimes that warrants attention (e.g. in servers), sometimes it just happens, especially in desktops |
| 15:23.29 | wowsuchguest | dmesg -T may not be a good idea; its timestamps are wrong if you suspend the machine |
| 15:23.44 | wowsuchguest | I prefer to read /var/log/kern.log when I want to pay attention to the timestamps |
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| 15:37.57 | no_gravity | Any ideas how I can find an USB WiFi stick that works out of the box with Debian 8? |
| 15:38.42 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Most do, just google "debian 8 <model number>" to verify it. |
| 15:38.44 | mtn | no_gravity: dlink dwa-140 works fine |
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| 15:39.45 | ragepandemic | be careful with version numbers though, i bought a tp-link thing thinking it would work on BSD and it turns out i had the same model, but version 5 instead of 1 or 2 |
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| 15:40.47 | no_gravity | mtn: This thing? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0010T8X54 |
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| 15:41.09 | mtn | no_gravity: yes |
| 15:41.21 | no_gravity | mtn: Ok. I'll get one :) |
| 15:41.35 | mtn | no_gravity: :) |
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| 15:43.35 | no_gravity | mtn: I wonder why the title of that product says "RangeBooster". |
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| 15:45.06 | no_gravity | mtn: There is also this one: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B000RZGJMQ |
| 15:45.29 | mtn | no_gravity: mine looks like the first one |
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| 15:46.43 | no_gravity | mtn: Ok. Then I want that one too. |
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| 15:47.53 | wowsuchguest | Nobody uses apt-offline with Debian 9 here? :-( |
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| 15:50.53 | gunchyo | how many people are using Ryzen with Stretch? |
| 15:51.06 | gunchyo | Is the support fully there? Is it stable to use? |
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| 15:52.39 | ChmEarl | gunchyo, you have an option for a recent kernel: linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd6 |
| 15:52.51 | ChmEarl | stretch-backports ^^ |
| 15:52.56 | gunchyo | Oh, is there a newer kernel? |
| 15:53.13 | gunchyo | is it not stable on whatever Stretch uses? |
| 15:54.09 | ChmEarl | gunchyo, check the VFIO group in reddit.. some stretch users there on ryzen |
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| 15:54.33 | gunchyo | Mainly trying to troubleshoot a weird, sporadic system hang issue |
| 15:54.55 | gunchyo | System becomes unreachable over LAN, drops of DHCP client list, and thesystem itself seems... unresponsive. idle, inactive |
| 15:54.58 | gunchyo | no HDD activity at all |
| 15:55.22 | gunchyo | it's a server system, not using it for gaming |
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| 15:56.19 | petn-randall | gunchyo: If you attach a keyboard and screen, do you still have a usable terminal? |
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| 15:56.28 | gunchyo | no |
| 15:56.36 | gunchyo | It happened again this morning. no termianl at the monitor |
| 15:56.39 | gunchyo | keyboard unresponsive |
| 15:57.01 | gunchyo | BIOS is updated to the latest. RAM is overclocked but I don't see how that would cause issues since I barely use anywhere near 1GB/8GB |
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| 15:57.24 | gunchyo | https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kF7YM8 |
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| 15:57.38 | gunchyo | There is an AMD card in the system, but it seems to work fine... shouldn't cause any issues IMO |
| 15:57.41 | gunchyo | without firmware I mean |
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| 15:58.35 | tremolo | Why would it matter how much RAM you use? |
| 15:58.55 | petn-randall | gunchyo: If RAM is overclocked, that is entirely possible to be the problem. RAM usage doesn't matter, if it flips bits, your system will become unstable. |
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| 15:59.14 | gunchyo | I've done multiple memtest passes on each individual stick, 2x4GB, nothing |
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| 15:59.28 | gunchyo | it's rated for 3000Mhz |
| 15:59.34 | gunchyo | runs at 3096 |
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| 16:00.20 | petn-randall | gunchyo: I'd first check if the problem persists when not overclocked before looking any further. |
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| 16:00.36 | gunchyo | Fair enough. Would something under 3000 be acceptable |
| 16:00.39 | jelly | it seems trivially simple to not overclock it and test |
| 16:00.51 | gunchyo | right, but it can take upto a day+ to see any "results" |
| 16:00.57 | jelly | just let it use default eeprom clocking values |
| 16:01.05 | gunchyo | default BIOS values you mean? |
| 16:01.14 | jelly | I guess. |
| 16:01.18 | gunchyo | ok |
| 16:01.27 | gunchyo | Should I try the kernel backport too? |
| 16:01.36 | jelly | whatever you do, don't change more than one thing at a time |
| 16:01.58 | gunchyo | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6pamtq/debian_and_ryzen/ |
| 16:02.00 | jelly | so if you try the backported kernel, don't change ram settings, try just the newer kernel |
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| 16:02.02 | gunchyo | this sounds slightly similar |
| 16:02.31 | wowsuchguest | Let me rephrase the issue differently: when we do "apt-get update", what does APT do behind the scenes? |
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| 16:02.58 | gunchyo | What are CPU C states |
| 16:03.30 | wowsuchguest | It should get the files in /etc/apt/sources.list, write them somewhere in the hard drive, and update some database somewhere; can anyone give me some pointers to find out the details? |
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| 16:20.28 | cybrNaut | i've created /usr/share/fonts/truetype/user_added/ to add new fonts. Is that normal? |
| 16:20.33 | morenoh149 | ,v logs |
| 16:20.34 | judd | No package named 'logs' was found in amd64. |
| 16:20.55 | gpunk | ,v log |
| 16:20.56 | judd | No package named 'log' was found in amd64. |
| 16:21.01 | cybrNaut | it seems nothing else in /usr/share/ is something that I would add to manually or get backed up |
| 16:21.35 | gpunk | cybrNaut /usr/local/share is more normal |
| 16:21.46 | cybrNaut | gpunk: ok, thanks |
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| 17:00.27 | shambi | hello it's possible to install enlightenment on stretch ? |
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| 17:01.46 | shambi | do you have a good tutorial to offer me? |
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| 17:03.24 | jelly | judd: i e17 |
| 17:03.25 | judd | Package e17 (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager. Version: 0.17.6-1.1+b1; Size: 1738.5k; Installed: 6463k; Homepage: http://www.enlightenment.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/e17 |
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| 17:03.37 | jelly | shambi: it's present, install it? |
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| 17:03.53 | babilen | Isn't it e22 by now? |
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| 17:04.41 | shambi | jelly with which order? |
| 17:04.49 | jelly | ,v enlightenment |
| 17:04.50 | uxfi | hello |
| 17:04.50 | judd | Package: enlightenment on amd64 -- experimental: 0.21.5-1 |
| 17:04.52 | uxfi | good morning to all |
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| 17:05.05 | jelly | babilen: might be, but not in debian! |
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| 17:05.56 | shambi | does this package install all dependencies? and after install must he tinker? |
| 17:06.39 | n4dir | it will install all dependencies. |
| 17:06.56 | n4dir | it is small anyway, i recall ca 30 MB, it installs quick, so just give it a try |
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| 17:07.32 | shambi | ok |
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| 17:07.37 | shambi | thanks |
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| 17:08.17 | n4dir | when it was not available from debian repos, there was also a package called "plugins-all" or such. I don't think debian has those (perhaps they don't even exist in e17 anymore) |
| 17:08.45 | shambi | what is the command to install with the dependencies? |
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| 17:09.05 | n4dir | debian's packagemanagement handles dependencies automatically. |
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| 17:09.31 | n4dir | apt-get install <stuff>; will install all needed dependencies (per default even Recommends, iirc) |
| 17:10.13 | n4dir | if the distribution elive still exists, you might want to test it. Was nice. |
| 17:10.55 | shambi | not apt install enlightenment not working |
| 17:11.54 | petn-randall | shambi: The package is called "e17", and it ships enlightenment 0.17. |
| 17:11.56 | n4dir | what means "not working" ? |
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| 17:13.22 | Satou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.56 | jhutchins_wk | Satou: Why are you spoofing your MAC? |
| 17:14.20 | Satou | jhutchins_wk, Because of privacy reasons. |
| 17:14.43 | shambi | so on stretch is the version 17 but does not exist version 21? |
| 17:15.03 | salamitactics | You can set a spoofed mac on network manager GUI. Have you tried that? |
| 17:15.29 | jhutchins_wk | Not all hardware supports spoofed MACs. Some will persist with the hard-coded MAC. |
| 17:15.34 | Satou | salamitactics, Yes, i am aware of that, but i would like to use a randomly generated one each time using macchanger |
| 17:15.55 | shambi | because I have installed the e17 just now but after opening enlightenment I fell on a black screen why? |
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| 17:17.36 | shambi | spoofed mac I do not know what that means? |
| 17:18.06 | jhutchins_wk | Satou: I believe the hardware MAC is reliably discoverable even if spoofed, so whatever you think you're defending against, it probably doesn't. |
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| 17:19.04 | shambi | ok petn-randall |
| 17:20.00 | Satou | jhutchins_wk, Well, it doesn't display the original mac address |
| 17:20.27 | salamitactics | Satou: quick google produces https://blogs.gnome.org/thaller/2016/08/26/mac-address-spoofing-in-networkmanager-1-4-0/ |
| 17:20.49 | shambi | petn-randall, how to configure enlightenment? must I configure before opening an assignment? why is I got a black screen at the demarage? |
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| 17:22.08 | Satou | salamitactics, I will take a look into that |
| 17:22.13 | n4dir | shambi: usually if you start it first, you get asked a few easy questions. Else you don't have to configure it to start it. |
| 17:22.34 | n4dir | look if ~/.e (?) a directory does already exist. |
| 17:22.45 | n4dir | it gets created by the few questions. iirc |
| 17:23.28 | n4dir | can you start other window-managers? how do you start X ? startx or display-manager like gdm, kdm, etc ? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors (or such) ? |
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| 17:24.46 | shambi | n4dir, Not working means that when I run the apt install enlightenment command it is not enough because it does not want to install because it misses the dependencies ... |
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| 17:26.03 | n4dir | then you will have to solve that problem first of all |
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| 17:26.08 | shambi | yes i can |
| 17:26.21 | shambi | but no enlightenment |
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| 17:37.53 | shambi | n4dir, ok ok but why do I come across a black screen after answering the questions? |
| 17:40.43 | n4dir | (06:23:25 PM) n4dir: can you start other window-managers? how do you start X ? startx or display-manager like gdm, kdm, etc ? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors (or such) ? |
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| 17:41.17 | jelly | shambi: the package name is e17, what are you trying to install? |
| 17:42.09 | shambi | I have installed e17 jelly |
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| 17:42.55 | jelly | shambi: okay, and do you have a graphical login screen when your system boots up? |
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| 17:43.23 | shambi | n4dir, yes I'm running under lightdm |
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| 17:44.07 | jelly | shambi: you ought to be able to log off, and pick e17 as a login session on the lightdm screen, does it appear in the session choices? |
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| 17:47.08 | jelly | shambi: or did you do all of that already, and after selecting e17 and logging in you get a black screen? |
| 17:47.43 | linuxthefish | hey, does anyone know where I can find the italian non-free iso? i can't read italian, but asking for a friend! |
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| 17:48.14 | linuxthefish | wait nvm i'm stupid lol |
| 17:48.47 | shambi | yes jelly |
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| 17:52.19 | shambi | jelly yes I can choose enlightenment at startup |
| 17:52.32 | n4dir | if it was me i would a) rm -r ~/.e ; and try again b) look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and c) look at ~/.xsession-errors (or similar filename) |
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| 17:54.58 | shambi | ok n4dir i'm going see this logs |
| 17:56.08 | n4dir | i sure did experience weird behaviour with e17. Sometimes simply starting again could solve them (the rm .e part) |
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| 17:58.22 | n4dir | you would normally assume such doesn't make much sense, of course |
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| 18:01.53 | shambi | n4dir, I will test I come back anyway thank you for your help |
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| 18:12.56 | ForceRecon | hello there jelly |
| 18:13.03 | ForceRecon | hope this day finds you well |
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| 18:17.28 | g0zzy | Is there a better version of Unetbootin that would be approved of here? |
| 18:17.43 | g0zzy | (i.e. alternative to) |
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| 18:19.48 | shambi | ok n4dir it4s good |
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| 18:20.09 | n4dir | shambi: like in <works now> ? |
| 18:20.25 | shambi | yes |
| 18:20.50 | shambi | thank you n4dir |
| 18:20.52 | n4dir | oh, cool. i feared it would be some of the odd/endless problems. Good, good. Have fun |
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| 18:21.34 | n4dir | i really liked e17 a lot, i used it for quite a while. (iirc i mainly gave up as there were hardly any other users) |
| 18:22.03 | ForceRecon | rant, thanks for the explanation on the segfault// I was afk... |
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| 18:22.51 | jelly | ForceRecon: it's better than yesterday, thanks. (also, consider saying hi in #debian-offtopic next time instead of here!) |
| 18:22.52 | n4dir | !unetbootin |
| 18:22.52 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 18:23.26 | n4dir | g0zzy: try the factoids/info dpkg proposes (<usb install>, etc) |
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| 18:24.40 | preyalone | not sure why, but the debian stretch netinst ISO doesn't appear to correctly apply d-i preseed configuration for the debian-installer locale, language, etc. have to configure this either with manual UI input, or with the initial "install" boot command :/ |
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| 18:24.48 | shambi | n4dir, do not it start from other users? |
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| 18:24.55 | preyalone | same goes for keymap |
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| 18:26.01 | n4dir | shambi: nah, what i meant is: if i had a question, i never found someone to answer it. |
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| 18:26.47 | n4dir | which is weird, as it is a damn cool window manager (bling bling, and what not, low on ressources, small, etc) |
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| 18:27.40 | g0zzy | n4dir: That seems to be just for the debian installer |
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| 18:29.37 | n4dir | g0zzy: for what do you want it? i recall unetbootin you could choose between different distros (or point it to a iso you already have). - I usually just use dd, but i seem to recall here folks said these days a simple cp is recommended. |
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| 18:30.30 | g0zzy | n4dir: dd/cat/cp will only work if the iso is already iso-hybrid |
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| 18:31.44 | shambi | n4dir, I wanted to test enlightnement I have to find a new toy but can be that it will not last for a long time, but it doesn't matter at the bottom(in fact) because I use kde for years. |
| 18:32.57 | n4dir | shambi: to me it was always pretty timeconsuming. bless and a curse: you really configure it a lot. |
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| 18:33.09 | n4dir | can configure it a lot. |
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| 18:37.41 | shambi | n4dir, yes it's for that I wanted to test it because kwin was a little drunk |
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| 18:38.58 | shambi | n4dir, Besides, do you have a good tutorial to propose me for the configuration? |
| 18:39.05 | n4dir | you inspired me to have a look again too :-) always fun with e17. |
| 18:39.42 | n4dir | no, i never ran into a good how-to about how to use it. Elive was a nice distro, where i had a look how it could look like |
| 18:40.30 | n4dir | though configuration is done through the gui, so it is rather easy. It simply is too much of options. |
| 18:40.35 | shambi | elive ? |
| 18:40.45 | shambi | what's that |
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| 18:41.01 | n4dir | it was a linux distribution based on debian which came with e17 as the default window-manager (no idea if it still exists) |
| 18:41.19 | n4dir | there are or have been a few. |
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| 18:41.38 | n4dir | but you can also get the hang of it by try and error. |
| 18:41.39 | shambi | ok ok |
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| 18:46.58 | n4dir | shambi: the default (iirc only) theme is not that nice. Look for example here: https://web.archive.org/web/20161025233126/https://exchange.enlightenment.org/theme seems archived) or here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Enlightenment#Themes |
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| 18:49.00 | shambi | ok thank you n4dir |
| 18:49.51 | n4dir | i guess we bugged everyone else enough with that subject. I am out soon anyway. Good luck, have fun, etc :-) |
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| 19:01.51 | gerep | I am using XFCE4 and am trying to change my desktop background but the home folders are "blocked". Please check this image: http://i.imgur.com/rj1CfSx.png |
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| 19:03.41 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: I don't really see the problem. Are the folders in your $HOME greyed out and not accessible? |
| 19:03.54 | gerep | Just found a way to do that :) I typed the directory path in the "select a file" window and it worked =) |
| 19:04.10 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, yes, the are not "clickable". |
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| 19:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: What about cli access? Do they have the right owner if you ls -l in the console? |
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| 19:04.59 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: Have you been running GUI programs as root? |
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| 19:05.34 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, not, I haven't. What I did differently is that I copied the images from an external driver. |
| 19:05.42 | gerep | Maybe they do have a wrong permission. |
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| 19:06.00 | gerep | hum...the picture have this permission: -rw-rw-rw- |
| 19:06.12 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: If they were from another system chances are that user gerep on the current system doesn't own them. |
| 19:06.28 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, the owner is correct, gerep. |
| 19:06.37 | gerep | -rw-rw-rw- 1 gerep gerep 234712 Oct 25 2016 Pictures/whhD1.png |
| 19:06.44 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: Folders need to be executable. |
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| 19:07.05 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, drwxr-xr-x 2 gerep gerep 4096 Nov 3 17:37 Pictures |
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| 19:07.42 | jhutchins_wk | gerep: Probably just an xfce error then. Create a new user and see if you still have the problem. |
| 19:07.58 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, thanks, I will do that. |
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| 19:10.43 | gerep | jhutchins_wk, probably an xfce error. As you can see in the Select a File window, at the bottom right you can see it is requesting "Image Files". |
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| 19:17.07 | dionysus69 | is there a good software that shows real ram usage? |
| 19:17.31 | dionysus69 | i have over 9gb ram usage including swap and all I can account for is less than 4 gb |
| 19:17.39 | dionysus69 | so I have no idea what uses the rest, how can I check |
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| 19:17.56 | dionysus69 | using traditional system monitor* |
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| 19:18.12 | dionysus69 | htop is not the best for visualizing what I am trying to |
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| 19:20.52 | SuperSeriousCat | See if it is in buff/cache with free -h? |
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| 19:23.07 | rakor | Hmm... I recently changed the PS1 of 'root's Bash. It looks like I wanted to, but when I am typing I can type some letters, and then suddenly the cursor jumps at the first position in rhe same line and I type there. If i resize the terminal it bahaves normal. |
| 19:23.31 | rakor | Has anybody a hint for me? |
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| 19:23.50 | dionysus69 | SuperSeriousCat: buff/cache is 1.3 gb |
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| 19:25.28 | dTal | rakor: what's the contents of your PS1? |
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| 19:26.05 | rakor | PS1="\033[49;7;31m[ROOT]\033[49;0;31m \h\033[49;0;33m:\w\033[49;0;36m\\$ \033[0m" |
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| 19:34.34 | rakor | Changing PS1 back to something simple as "test " works like a charm. So the problem must be something wit PS1 |
| 19:34.41 | jhutchins_wk | rakor: Which release and what desktop? |
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| 19:35.01 | rakor | Stable, Gnome3 with the Gnome-Terminal |
| 19:35.07 | jhutchins_wk | rakor: You may be specifying something that's not compatible with your terminal emulator. |
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| 19:35.30 | jhutchins_wk | rakor: In fact, you almost certainly are, although I'm not sure what. |
| 19:36.05 | rakor | Hmm.. ok. So I'll have to investigate. |
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| 19:45.55 | rakor | OK, I removed everything step by step. It seems that it calculates the Escapesequences in the total amount of chars and thus makes the linebreak to early. |
| 19:46.03 | rakor | But how to solve this?! |
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| 19:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | rakor: Use fewer characters. |
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| 19:54.40 | rakor | :D how? ;) |
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| 19:54.59 | jhutchins_wk | rakor: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ <- not updated in 14 years but still valid. |
| 19:55.10 | rakor | I already switched \033 to \e but I did not help |
| 19:55.12 | rakor | Oh thanks |
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| 19:56.09 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/053 may also be helpful if this is a question about bash prompts not being redrawn due to un-marked escape sequences |
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| 19:57.17 | rakor | The problem are the "color escape sequences" |
| 19:57.41 | greycat | color, bold, sgr0, whatever -- they all need \[ \] around them. |
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| 19:59.48 | rakor | Hey! Thanks a lot! it was the \[ \] |
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| 20:21.02 | [exa] | Hi everyone! What's the best way to mount tmpfs on /tmp and /var/tmp? |
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| 20:21.20 | [exa] | for me it isn't mounted by default, so I'm kindof searching where the config is |
| 20:21.46 | greycat | the config would be /etc/fstab (man fstab) |
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| 20:22.20 | [exa] | I was told that's "too late in the boot process", is it possible? |
| 20:22.30 | [exa] | if there's no issue with that I'm ok with fstab |
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| 20:23.22 | rakor | never saw it in another way... If you mounted a real devide there it's also mounted by fstab |
| 20:23.34 | [exa] | hm that's right |
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| 20:24.01 | [exa] | ok thanks. I probably got confused by systemd comments on that matter |
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| 20:28.16 | lroe | Is there a file like /etc/debian_version that includes the 'name' of the release rather than the number? |
| 20:28.55 | greycat | you run run "lsb_release -a" |
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| 20:29.03 | greycat | can run* |
| 20:29.09 | lroe | thanks |
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| 21:19.16 | rawruw | how much support do you typically have on a dist? |
| 21:19.21 | rawruw | I mean a release? |
| 21:19.27 | rawruw | you'll then have to upgrade, or what? is it tricky? |
| 21:19.46 | greycat | Most of the time, upgrading from one release to the next is very smooth. |
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| 21:20.16 | greycat | For jessie->stretch see https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
| 21:20.17 | jhutchins_wk | rawruw: There's some LTS provided by interested parties. |
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| 21:20.59 | ntd | ok, this imagemagic stuff is getting tiresome, it's like sendmail and BIND in the 90s/00s |
| 21:21.09 | rawruw | what I don't understand is why some want to stay unupgraded for 10 years |
| 21:21.19 | ntd | any way of ripping it out without triggering dependency-hell? |
| 21:21.24 | rawruw | jhutchins_wk: and that's like 5 years of support? What happens after those 5 years? |
| 21:21.46 | greycat | Then you either stay as you are with no further patches/updates, or you upgrade. |
| 21:22.15 | Zarulyakuza | hii |
| 21:22.23 | rawruw | what about security updates? you don't even get those? |
| 21:22.34 | greycat | After the LTS period, no. You get nothing. |
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| 21:22.50 | rawruw | so to get 10 years, you go RHEL? |
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| 21:23.02 | Zarulyakuza | :) |
| 21:23.05 | jhutchins_wk | rawruw: That's one way to go. |
| 21:23.51 | jhutchins_wk | rawruw: Traditionally that means you build a fresh system on new hardware when you're ready to upgrade. |
| 21:24.25 | greycat | Debian's philosophy has always been to make upgrading possible, so that you aren't stuck on an old release for 10 years to begin with. |
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| 21:40.19 | DanielTheFox | Hmm... |
| 21:40.36 | DanielTheFox | Why is Debian 9 refusing every connection from outside by default? |
| 21:40.50 | DanielTheFox | but it can connect to itself perfectly |
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| 21:41.26 | greycat | One possible answer: you are inside a NAT. |
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| 21:42.18 | DanielTheFox | well |
| 21:42.23 | DanielTheFox | I mean... |
| 21:42.32 | DanielTheFox | a computer in the same network can't connect |
| 21:42.46 | greycat | what service are you trying to connect to? |
| 21:42.57 | DanielTheFox | SSH |
| 21:43.10 | DanielTheFox | but nothing else work anyway |
| 21:43.14 | DanielTheFox | FTP, Telnet, HTTP... |
| 21:43.20 | DanielTheFox | they get all refused |
| 21:43.43 | greycat | FTP *should* be refused :) |
| 21:43.51 | greycat | what do you get from: ss -tln | grep :22 |
| 21:44.54 | DanielTheFox | LISTEN 0 128 *:22 *:* |
| 21:45.25 | greycat | OK, looks normal. What is your Debian machine's IP address? What is the IP of the other system that's trying to connect to the Debian system? |
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| 21:45.41 | DanielTheFox | Connecter = 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:45.54 | DanielTheFox | Debian machine = 192.168.2.3 |
| 21:46.16 | greycat | From the client, what do you get from: telnet 192.168.2.3 22 |
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| 21:46.34 | DanielTheFox | connection refused |
| 21:46.35 | DanielTheFox | too |
| 21:46.59 | greycat | Are you running any kind of firewall on either machine? |
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| 21:47.12 | DanielTheFox | in the client, I'm not |
| 21:47.22 | DanielTheFox | using Debian, maybe there's a built-in firewall |
| 21:47.29 | DanielTheFox | but I don't know |
| 21:47.38 | DanielTheFox | I haven't installed a firewall program myself |
| 21:47.43 | greycat | There isn't one by default, but you might have installed one. |
| 21:48.29 | DanielTheFox | I dunno |
| 21:48.46 | DanielTheFox | By myself, there shouldn't be such programs |
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| 21:49.17 | DanielTheFox | hmm... unless the install guide installed one... but you already said there's no firewall by default |
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| 21:49.31 | greycat | Try "iptables -L" as root. |
| 21:49.52 | DanielTheFox | there's no rule at all |
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| 21:50.37 | DanielTheFox | I'm pretty sure the daemons are running properly |
| 21:50.53 | greycat | ss confirmed that it's listening on all interfaces |
| 21:51.11 | greycat | From the *Debian* system, does "telnet 192.168.2.3 22" work? |
| 21:51.12 | DanielTheFox | as it can connect to itself using either 127.*.*.*, 0.0.0.0 or even 192.168.2.3 |
| 21:51.49 | DanielTheFox | SSH-2.0... whatever |
| 21:51.57 | DanielTheFox | it connected properly and hanged |
| 21:52.00 | DanielTheFox | Telnet is in port 23 |
| 21:52.13 | greycat | ctrl-] then q then Enter |
| 21:52.16 | DanielTheFox | I did |
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| 21:53.09 | greycat | Either there is a firewall *somewhere*, or your client is not actually connecting to the correct system. |
| 21:53.24 | greycat | Are there VMs involved? Containers? |
| 21:53.30 | DanielTheKitsune | pretty sure it's connecting where it belongs |
| 21:53.59 | DanielTheKitsune | everything was set with static IPs |
| 21:54.27 | DanielTheKitsune | and both systems can answer to pings |
| 21:54.42 | greycat | Are there VMs involved? Containers? |
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| 21:54.50 | DanielTheKitsune | neither |
| 21:55.02 | DanielTheKitsune | both are real systems running real hardware |
| 21:55.20 | DanielTheKitsune | and... I don't really know what to define by 'container' |
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| 22:08.06 | Pret0riab | Hi all |
| 22:08.27 | Pret0riab | I want to buy a wifi dongle and not sure how to ensure its gonna be compatible with Debian 9.1 |
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| 22:08.33 | Pret0riab | any suggestins pls |
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| 22:09.06 | DanielTheKitsune | Pret0riab: be sure it's not Broadcom |
| 22:09.15 | DanielTheKitsune | and it's made after 2010 |
| 22:09.26 | Pret0riab | right thanks |
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| 22:09.43 | Pret0riab | so i have three here - some realtek and i got problems with them |
| 22:09.51 | DanielTheKitsune | most cards that go within these requirements will go right |
| 22:09.55 | Pret0riab | trying not to waste too much money |
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| 22:10.05 | Pret0riab | i never really had probs in past so this new |
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| 22:37.55 | rant | ForceRecon: np |
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| 22:55.09 | pron | anyone can give tips how to replace drive in raid0 md array? |
| 22:55.13 | pron | 2.6.32 kernel =) |
| 22:55.28 | rant | ext4 is not at all compatible with ext2/3 drivers right? |
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| 22:58.30 | rant | pron: wow, thats old.. |
| 22:58.39 | pron | yep |
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| 23:00.09 | Sveta | rant: i wouldn't expect ext3 drivers to do ext4, personally.. |
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| 23:00.42 | rant | pron: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sda1 to mark it as failed, same again with --remove to remove it from the array, then replace the disk and mirror partition table with sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | /dev/sda then do the mdadm dance again with --add |
| 23:00.58 | rant | pron: is the general idea |
| 23:00.59 | RoyK | Sveta: they should unless you're using extents, which is normal for large files |
| 23:01.10 | pron | rant: you know what gona happen when i remove disk from raid0? |
| 23:01.22 | RoyK | t dies |
| 23:01.24 | RoyK | it dies |
| 23:01.28 | RoyK | that md |
| 23:01.28 | pron | bingo |
| 23:01.32 | pron | :=) |
| 23:01.49 | rant | its a mirror raid.. both disks should have the same stuff on them |
| 23:01.56 | pron | it is not a mirror |
| 23:02.01 | pron | :< |
| 23:02.11 | RoyK | using raid0 for important data is like BASE-jumping with an umbrella |
| 23:02.33 | pron | this however is outside of skope of the question |
| 23:02.38 | pron | scope |
| 23:02.45 | pron | so, how to do this |
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| 23:02.59 | RoyK | pron: do what? |
| 23:03.04 | pron | replace disk |
| 23:03.06 | pron | :D |
| 23:03.12 | RoyK | in a raid0? |
| 23:03.15 | pron | ye |
| 23:03.19 | RoyK | mdadm --replace |
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| 23:04.25 | RoyK | better add another and make it a raid5 |
| 23:04.28 | RoyK | less lassle |
| 23:04.30 | RoyK | hassle |
| 23:04.40 | annadane | !enter |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 23:04.55 | rant | oh raid 0 is stripe, raid 1 is mirror.. heh.. I always get those raid levels confused |
| 23:05.13 | rant | best you can do is create a temporary raid1 and try mirror the failing disk then |
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| 23:05.33 | rant | risky business for sure |
| 23:05.53 | pron | RoyK: https://pastebin.com/V9VpUYFJ |
| 23:06.05 | RoyK | or use ddrescue |
| 23:06.44 | rant | if you're mary poppins that umbrella trick might work |
| 23:07.02 | RoyK | pron: just mdadm --add the new one first, same size as the one you want to replace and then mdadm --replace <olddev> |
| 23:07.10 | pron | RoyK: doesnt work |
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| 23:07.41 | RoyK | pron: how large are those md0 devs? |
| 23:07.43 | pron | https://pastebin.com/7MRdvps3 |
| 23:08.10 | RoyK | pron: pastebin /proc/mdstat |
| 23:08.23 | RoyK | pron: and lsblk |
| 23:08.35 | pron | you will try to tell me a story why i shoudlnt do what i want to do? |
| 23:08.54 | RoyK | just trying to help |
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| 23:10.49 | RoyK | it's like an email I got from a guy that wanted help for his zfs zpool, 31 drives in a single raidz1 set, three drives down |
| 23:10.59 | pron | RoyK: https://pastebin.com/Tbishe53 , but i dont see how that info can help |
| 23:11.01 | RoyK | that sort of things happen |
| 23:11.05 | pron | i alreayd know that i cam copy data off |
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| 23:11.17 | pron | but that is exactly what i want to avoid |
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| 23:11.51 | pron | my zfs has wordking replace mechanism |
| 23:11.51 | RoyK | pron: not blkid, lsblk |
| 23:11.52 | pron | :P |
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| 23:12.26 | pron | RoyK: what package has it? |
| 23:12.53 | RoyK | util-linux |
| 23:13.09 | RoyK | should be installed by default |
| 23:13.10 | pron | well |
| 23:13.19 | pron | its an very old stuf |
| 23:13.22 | pron | stuff |
| 23:13.24 | pron | it doesnt have it |
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| 23:13.33 | RoyK | ok, cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:13.36 | RoyK | pron: how old? |
| 23:13.38 | rant | wheezy? |
| 23:13.41 | pron | older |
| 23:13.43 | pron | :P |
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| 23:13.47 | rant | said it was kernel 2.6.32 |
| 23:13.49 | pron | 2.6.32 |
| 23:13.53 | RoyK | potato? |
| 23:13.56 | rant | haha |
| 23:13.58 | rant | not that old |
| 23:14.05 | pron | should be squeeze |
| 23:14.08 | tw | wheezy still has 2.6.32 |
| 23:14.16 | rant | thats what I thought |
| 23:14.17 | tw | As an option |
| 23:14.27 | tw | The default is some 3.x kernel. |
| 23:14.30 | RoyK | lsb_release -a |
| 23:14.42 | pron | haha |
| 23:14.45 | pron | so naive |
| 23:15.03 | Satou | Hey guys, is it safe to install a newer version of network-manager? (i'm on 8.9 and have network-manager 0.9) |
| 23:15.17 | pron | it is squeeze and it doesnt have it ,at least by default |
| 23:15.19 | pron | =) |
| 23:15.25 | rant | Satou: from where and why? |
| 23:15.37 | RoyK | pron: upgrade time? ;) |
| 23:15.41 | pron | RoyK: nope |
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| 23:16.01 | pron | so |
| 23:16.04 | RoyK | pron: a lot has happpened with md over those years |
| 23:16.11 | Satou | rant, Their website, I want to use some of the later capabilities of network-manager (generating a spoofed mac address) |
| 23:16.12 | pron | how old mdadm used to replace hard drive |
| 23:16.31 | pron | i knew it was peace of crap |
| 23:16.32 | Satou | on the other hand, i don't want everything to crash |
| 23:16.35 | annadane | i mean, you can probably backport it |
| 23:16.36 | RoyK | it's not just mdadm, it's the kernel drivers too |
| 23:16.38 | pron | but i didndt think it was that much |
| 23:16.43 | annadane | not sure how well that works with network manager |
| 23:17.03 | RoyK | pron: you can boot on a stretch live thing and do it from there |
| 23:17.15 | rant | Satou: idk about "generating" one but you can change mac id on most cards.. though some only do it at driver load time |
| 23:17.20 | pron | thats id we assume i wanna risk and reboot it |
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| 23:17.34 | pron | and thats another thing i dont want to do =) |
| 23:17.42 | rant | Satou: what version do you need for these features? |
| 23:17.44 | pron | unless i absolutely have to |
| 23:17.56 | RoyK | pron: got a backup? |
| 23:18.02 | rant | ,v network-manager |
| 23:18.03 | judd | Package: network-manager on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3; buster: 1.8.4-4; sid: 1.8.4-4 |
| 23:18.11 | Satou | rant, I want to generate a random mac address every time i boot up. I've tried a couple of things ( generating a script in init.d or one in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d) but it doesnt work |
| 23:18.29 | Satou | rant, that would require >1.4 i belive |
| 23:18.41 | pron | RoyK: why always discussion about simple things goes to completely difrent direction with linux guys?:D |
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| 23:18.51 | pron | i know my other options |
| 23:18.57 | pron | i realy dont want to use them |
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| 23:19.04 | RoyK | pron: nah - not having a backup means you need one |
| 23:19.07 | pron | they are more pain then anything else with this |
| 23:19.13 | rant | Satou: so the stretch or above versions would work.. you could certainly attempt to make a backport would be easiest and probably safest |
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| 23:19.26 | RoyK | pron: or you can surf along and hoping the gods be with you |
| 23:19.39 | pron | a) old hardware b) newer kernels doesnt support some parts of it , newer hardware either doesnt dot whats needed ot costs a fortune |
| 23:19.54 | pron | so |
| 23:20.05 | RoyK | and backu is cowardism |
| 23:20.08 | pron | reboot can result in multiple things |
| 23:20.18 | Satou | rant, I see. Before doing that, do you think there would pe any possible way i could create a bash script that would use macchanger to give me a random mac address every time i boot up? |
| 23:20.25 | pron | that are way more pain to deal then anything else |
| 23:20.46 | Satou | cause i think one of the problems with this was that network-manager overrides my spoofed mac address |
| 23:20.52 | pron | including server that doesnt boot |
| 23:21.12 | rant | Satou: sounds entirely doable but really it all depends on how your nic works.. mine only allows changing mac ID on the modprobe commandline when driver is loaded, some can do it via the interfaces file |
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| 23:21.29 | pron | RoyK: can you give me tips on old mdadm instead of backups ?:D |
| 23:21.43 | rant | Satou: I mean you can do it either way it'd just be a different method |
| 23:21.50 | RoyK | pron: start with a backup |
| 23:22.07 | pron | this is what triggers me in linux community more then anything else |
| 23:22.09 | Satou | rant, I used a script in /etc/init.d, but that didn't always work, sometimes network-manager would (i think) ovveride that |
| 23:22.10 | RoyK | pron: I gave you a lot of hints, but the version you're on is stone old |
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| 23:22.12 | pron | everyone things they know what i need |
| 23:22.15 | pron | :D |
| 23:22.22 | RoyK | pron: just take a fucking backup first |
| 23:22.30 | pron | RoyK: why would i ? |
| 23:22.32 | rant | Satou: if your driver has a macid setting I doubt anything could override it |
| 23:22.53 | RoyK | pron: ell, if you care about the data, you should, otherwise, just upgrade and overwrite the lot |
| 23:23.03 | pron | :D |
| 23:23.13 | pron | majical dance of assuming thing |
| 23:23.15 | pron | s |
| 23:23.23 | pron | forget about my other options |
| 23:23.27 | pron | lets thingk about mdadm |
| 23:23.33 | Satou | rant, I know too little about this to say much (02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)) |
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| 23:24.22 | RoyK | well, having used linux since 1994 or so and worked with it snce 1997, some things can be learned - as with all operating systems - keep a good backup, at least if you're dumb enough to use raid0 |
| 23:24.47 | pron | ;D |
| 23:24.57 | koollman | always have a good backup. Wether you do raid0 or raid1, or something else :) |
| 23:25.40 | rant | Satou: for example, I use the 8189fs driver, and modinfo 8189fs shows me parm: rtw_initmac:charp which is the only way I can change my mac id by setting that variable when I modprobe the driver |
| 23:25.43 | RoyK | koollman: like I said |
| 23:25.46 | pron | RoyK: you still gavent learned that keeping to the topick is more valuable then anything else |
| 23:25.51 | pron | over all those years |
| 23:26.02 | pron | if someone uses raid0 |
| 23:26.02 | rant | Satou: any trying to do it via ifconfig or /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work |
| 23:26.32 | RoyK | pron: I don't really care about your data, but you asked for help, that's why I'm answering |
| 23:26.33 | pron | he most likely knows abotu the risks or thing or two about backups and when he needs or not |
| 23:26.43 | pron | i asked very specific things |
| 23:26.46 | pron | :/ |
| 23:26.55 | RoyK | and I did answer |
| 23:27.02 | pron | those i already tried |
| 23:27.04 | pron | :+) |
| 23:27.06 | pron | didnt work |
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| 23:27.20 | RoyK | with an extremely old version of mdadm/kernel |
| 23:27.33 | pron | well that server was etch at the start |
| 23:27.44 | pron | jidgign b the stuff i see there |
| 23:27.47 | pron | =) |
| 23:27.48 | Sveta | why didn't it work |
| 23:27.52 | Paul-- | hello |
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| 23:28.07 | Sveta | hi Paul-- :) |
| 23:28.28 | Satou | rant, This is very weird. and frustrating |
| 23:28.43 | pron | RoyK: and its not that old :P |
| 23:28.53 | rant | Satou: a backport is easy to make. if it will work properly or not is a different story |
| 23:28.56 | Paul-- | well, I have one problem with den 8.9, sound hdmi don't go |
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| 23:29.16 | pron | RoyK: so you wanna say backj then ppl didndt need to replace disks? |
| 23:29.19 | Paul-- | I tried with alsamixer but nothing |
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| 23:29.21 | rant | Satou: but backporting builds against your current libs so you should be able to uninstall the backport and install the original if it doesnt work |
| 23:29.28 | Satou | rant, altough, i would prefer a script to do this on bootup |
| 23:29.44 | Sveta | Satou: network-manager 1.8.4 is in unstable, you could get it from there if you like? is it new enough? |
| 23:29.48 | rant | Satou: can you live without networ-manager? |
| 23:30.07 | Satou | rant, I don't think so, i don't know of another way to connect to a network |
| 23:30.09 | rant | Satou: because if you just remove/disable it then it wont interfere with your script |
| 23:30.12 | Sveta | rant: he wants to use a feature introduced in a newer network-manager |
| 23:30.27 | rant | Sveta: I know what he wants we been discussing it for like 20 minutes now |
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| 23:30.32 | rant | heh |
| 23:30.42 | Satou | Sveta, yes, but i can achieve that feature in another way, and i would very much like to do so |
| 23:30.59 | RoyK | pron: never trust a drive - always use redudancy |
| 23:31.04 | RoyK | pron: it's that simple |
| 23:31.27 | pron | unless |
| 23:31.30 | rant | Satou: the real utility of something like n-m is the easy switching of networks if you will be using the same network config then the how of connecting is easy enough |
| 23:31.36 | pron | thats nit your priority |
| 23:32.09 | rant | Satou: this can all be easily done in /etc/network/interfaces if you are not going to be hopping networks or something |
| 23:32.41 | Satou | rant, https://paste.debian.net/994483/ i think those are my drivers for my wifi card |
| 23:32.51 | pron | RoyK: it containts some amounts of temporary datas , they are not that important to back them up, i would prefer to not lose them ,i dont trust the drive so i dont want to reboot before i replace it |
| 23:32.55 | pron | it is realy simple |
| 23:33.05 | pron | more then simple |
| 23:33.14 | Satou | rant, considering it's a laptop and i'll be using different networks it's not that practical for me |
| 23:33.17 | pron | thats if you absoltely have to know whats goin on there |
| 23:33.20 | rant | Satou: i'm pretty sure if you have atheros its not retarded like mine.. yours would work only through the user end whre mine only works directly from the driver side |
| 23:33.36 | Satou | I see |
| 23:33.47 | RoyK | pron: just asking, if you're wondering about how to reestablish a raid0 and at the same time don't care about its contents, what's wrong in that picture? |
| 23:33.59 | rant | Satou: well I dont know of any way to insure a network manager that doesnt support random mac will not screw with your mac id |
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| 23:34.34 | pron | RoyK: nothing wrong? |
| 23:34.45 | RoyK | pron: either you don't care about the data, use raid0, or you do, use raid-[156] |
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| 23:35.28 | pron | why you try to drag discussion away from the topic ?+) |
| 23:35.40 | Satou | I've added a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d, but that makes my boot time waay bigger, it runs a start job for that |
| 23:35.59 | pron | RoyK: it saves time :=) |
| 23:36.42 | pron | and i am curious how come mdadm didnt have --replace back then and how ppl were dealign with that |
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| 23:38.03 | pron | and you dont have to call ppl around "dumb" when they dont have your use cases |
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| 23:40.42 | Sveta | thank you, pron, i wasn't following initially but i kind of see the idea now |
| 23:41.01 | pron | what idea?=) |
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| 23:41.35 | pron | old bunch of hardware that is beinging used untill it fails? |
| 23:41.41 | pron | thats and very old concept imo |
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| 23:44.17 | pron | RoyK: jfyi hot replace was introducet only in 3.3 |
| 23:46.18 | pron | wich means i do not have other options for now ;( |
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| 23:49.39 | Paul-- | how may I remove all audio drivers ? |
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| 23:51.55 | mmmonkey | Paul-- you can unload them using modprobe or rmmod, and blacklist them on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf so they won't get loaded during init. |
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| 23:52.36 | Paul-- | mmmonkey, I want uninstall thay and re-install |
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| 23:53.06 | Paul-- | I'm using hdmi then I use nvidia video card drivers |
| 23:53.14 | rant | Paul--: for what purpose? |
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| 23:53.31 | pron | adventures with the linux sound system if it doesnt work out of the box , oh my |
| 23:53.33 | Paul-- | 'cause audio don't go |
| 23:53.40 | rant | actually uninstalling them not simply unloading them will uninstall most of your system |
| 23:54.08 | rant | Paul--: then you dont want to uninstall/unload them you want to configure them properly |
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| 23:54.19 | Paul-- | before exact |
| 23:54.27 | rant | Paul--: i'll show you my asound.conf I'm using hdmi |
| 23:54.29 | Paul-- | exact |
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| 23:56.25 | rant | Paul--: http://paste.debian.net/994485 thats /etc/asound.conf now you will need to change the device numbers to match your hdmi device from the aplay -l output |
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| 23:57.45 | Paul-- | rant, don't exist here |
| 23:57.49 | Paul-- | strange |
| 23:58.13 | rant | Paul--: it doesnt exist by default, and neither does libao.conf.. you have to create it |
| 23:58.41 | rant | Paul--: if you use apps that use libao you will also need a libao.conf that tells libao to use the asound.conf |
