| 00:00.44 | rant | Paul--: my /etc/libao.conf simply reads "default_driver=alsa \ dev=default \ quiet" where the \ are new lines (i.e. file is 3 lines. I needed that because pianobar and mps-youtube use libao which uses seperate configuration from normal alsa apps |
| 00:00.56 | rant | that tells libao to just use the alsa defaults |
| 00:01.41 | Paul-- | cat /etc/libao.conf |
| 00:01.41 | Paul-- | default_driver=alsa |
| 00:01.41 | Paul-- | quiet |
| 00:02.21 | rant | Paul--: thats not as important as not many apps use libao for sound |
| 00:03.03 | rant | the more important one is the asound.conf setting the default output device to your hdmi |
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| 00:03.57 | Paul-- | may I create /etc/asound.conf ? |
| 00:04.11 | somiaj | yes, if a file doesen't exist you can create it |
| 00:04.38 | rant | Paul--: yes you can just download mine from that paste.debian.net and copy it to /etc/asound.conf and check aplay -l and make sure the card/device numbers match your hdmi device |
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| 00:05.58 | rant | Paul--: sudo wget -O /etc/asound.conf http://paste.debian.net/download/994485 |
| 00:06.44 | rant | then just check aplay -l command and if your HDMI is not card 1, device 0, then you need to edit that file and change the numbers |
| 00:06.46 | Paul-- | I created it before, but don't go |
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| 00:06.59 | Paul-- | aplay -l give me error |
| 00:07.18 | somiaj | you should share errors you get. |
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| 00:09.14 | Paul-- | http://paste.debian.net/994488/ |
| 00:09.19 | rant | Paul--: should show you something like this http://paste.debian.net/994487 |
| 00:10.21 | rant | ah well then you DO have bigger problems than just configuration.. |
| 00:10.32 | Paul-- | http://paste.debian.net/994487 ; these are two cards , video hdmi and normal |
| 00:11.00 | duracrisis | uit |
| 00:11.06 | rant | Paul--: right.. mine is working.. have you done any of that rmmod/modprobe -r stuff to unload any of your drivers? |
| 00:11.20 | rant | Paul--: paste output of lsmod |
| 00:12.29 | Paul-- | http://paste.debian.net/994489/ |
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| 00:13.09 | somiaj | might want to start with cat /proc/asound/cards to see what cards are listed |
| 00:13.13 | somiaj | !alsa checklist |
| 00:13.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 00:13.17 | somiaj | ^^ might also help |
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| 00:14.46 | rant | Paul--: did you run that aplay -l as a normal user like I did in my paste or as root? if you ran it as normal user, check output of the id command to see if your user is in the audio group |
| 00:15.12 | Paul-- | rant, as root |
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| 00:15.58 | rant | hmm.. well it shows your drivers loaded.. next thing to do would be checking the output of dmesg for any issues |
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| 00:17.23 | Paul-- | to uplod without paste ? dmesg are 1100 lines |
| 00:17.34 | rant | dmesg -T > dmesg.log and select the dmesg.log on paste.debian.net if you need help looking it over |
| 00:17.57 | rant | paste.debian.net allows you to select a file, that command will create a log file to upload |
| 00:19.29 | rant | the typical alsa checklist is irrelevant at this point its not all that applicable to hdmi sound issues anyhow. maybe I'll make an alsa hdmi checklist :P |
| 00:19.40 | Paul-- | http://paste.debian.net/994490/ |
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| 00:21.10 | Paul-- | some time ago audio went , after I installed kvm here and begin the problems |
| 00:21.23 | Paul-- | kvm virtualization system |
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| 00:25.09 | Paul-- | 791,792 there is nvidia audio driver |
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| 00:25.26 | rant | Paul--: is this running as a guest in virtualbox? |
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| 00:25.47 | Paul-- | I have vb too with windows7 |
| 00:25.56 | Paul-- | host is debian 8.9 |
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| 00:27.39 | rant | yes I see drivers for vmware AND virtualbox |
| 00:27.45 | Paul-- | maybe I have installed too much drivers, I have vb and VMplayer too |
| 00:27.50 | Paul-- | yes yes |
| 00:27.52 | rant | as well as nvidia drivers |
| 00:28.14 | rant | do you actually have an nvidia card? cause IIRC its not uncommon for non-intel cards to use snd_hdmi_intel |
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| 00:28.48 | Paul-- | nvidia yes |
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| 00:28.57 | Paul-- | gt610 |
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| 00:29.04 | rant | idk I see no errors there. |
| 00:29.12 | rant | Paul--: how did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 00:29.12 | Paul-- | this is a desktop I5 |
| 00:29.18 | Paul-- | intel desktop I5 |
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| 00:29.46 | rant | ah that may be where the problem lies if the i5 has HDMI AND the nvidia does as well |
| 00:29.48 | Paul-- | rant, sure I have installed proprietary drivers |
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| 00:29.59 | ht | hi |
| 00:29.59 | rant | Paul--: from nvidia.com or what? |
| 00:30.01 | Scienide | how does debian determine what version of firefox esr to include in the installation and is it the most secure? |
| 00:30.13 | Paul-- | nvidia.com |
| 00:30.19 | Paul-- | official drivers |
| 00:30.23 | ht | is mdadm a debian question or more of a linux kernel question? |
| 00:30.24 | Sveta | Scienide: it uses whatever the package maintainer uploaded. |
| 00:30.27 | Paul-- | from official web sita |
| 00:30.31 | Paul-- | site |
| 00:30.39 | ht | 's best question so far |
| 00:30.42 | rant | Paul--: and you have HDMI on the motherboard as well as on the nvidia card? |
| 00:30.58 | Sveta | Scienide: I think usually it is whatever firefox provides in its esr channel, plus the time it takes for the esr channel to travel from debian unstable to debian stable |
| 00:31.16 | Paul-- | on the video card, the mb haven't hdmi , md have only vga and DVI |
| 00:31.27 | Scienide | Sveta: ahh, i was curious, b/c it's always so far behind the current version |
| 00:31.38 | Sveta | Scienide: you can track this process at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr for example |
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| 00:31.48 | Scienide | Sveta: thanks |
| 00:32.19 | Sveta | Scienide: seeing they have a problem looking for new upstream, maybe that's why, but asking the maintainer may be a more reliable way to find out what their plans are |
| 00:32.22 | Sveta | Scienide: no worries |
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| 00:34.41 | Paul-- | one of these days I re-install debian, I have a SSD too, and the installation is very fast |
| 00:34.50 | Sveta | :) |
| 00:35.06 | Paul-- | ssd is only 120Gib |
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| 00:40.06 | ht | ok linux |
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| 00:41.29 | vegenaise | is changing the default compositor on debian easy for a total linux noob or would it be easier for me to install a different distro that might come with a different compositor out of the box? |
| 00:42.10 | ht | compositor? |
| 00:42.55 | bazhang | ht such as compiz |
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| 00:43.32 | ht | oh jeez, forgot our desktops are now graphically composited in 3d |
| 00:43.45 | Paul-- | how may I save in a list all installed packets , and after re-install from this list ? |
| 00:43.47 | bazhang | vegenaise, easy would denpen on what you think is |
| 00:43.56 | vegenaise | basically, using lxde debian 9. on an old, slow computer (lenovo x130 w/ a i3 and 4gb). get lots of screen tearing with 1080p hdmi to my tv and even 720 too |
| 00:44.16 | vegenaise | would like to see if i can try a different compositor that would address the screen tearing issue |
| 00:44.23 | ht | funny someone would ask about compiz on debian distro channel |
| 00:44.47 | bazhang | he probly meant DE |
| 00:44.49 | ht | isnt this more like KDE or Ubuntu territory, looking goooood |
| 00:44.54 | vegenaise | im not talking about compiz, a compositor |
| 00:45.15 | bazhang | vegenaise, you are talking about a DE |
| 00:45.16 | vegenaise | compton is one i think |
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| 00:46.02 | vegenaise | im talking about whatever deals with screen tearing while playing video. not a de, like openbox, various window managers, etc |
| 00:46.33 | bazhang | thats not going to fix tearing |
| 00:46.49 | vegenaise | what would? |
| 00:47.00 | bazhang | whats the video card |
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| 00:49.00 | vegenaise | intel hd 3000 |
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| 00:49.05 | ht | vegenaise, lspci | grep VGA |
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| 00:49.12 | vegenaise | sandybridge i3, 1.4 ghz |
| 00:49.27 | bazhang | vegenaise, what drivers do you have installed for that video card |
| 00:49.44 | n0t3rM | what's is question? |
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| 00:49.53 | vegenaise | i dunno, whatever the default gui installer did |
| 00:50.12 | bazhang | he doesnt want screen tearing for some youtube |
| 00:50.24 | bazhang | he never really went into detail |
| 00:50.25 | ht | bazhang, I wish graphics driver modules had a name prefix like vga_... |
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| 00:50.56 | vegenaise | bazhang, not for yt, but plex over the LAN |
| 00:51.07 | bazhang | ht they used to be xserver-xorg- |
| 00:51.22 | bazhang | plex??? |
| 00:51.41 | bazhang | THE adobe plex? |
| 00:51.55 | vegenaise | huh |
| 00:52.06 | bazhang | is that it? |
| 00:52.22 | vegenaise | ht, i did that lspci command in terminal, it didnt output anything |
| 00:52.27 | bazhang | no wonder then |
| 00:52.30 | ht | googleplex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex |
| 00:52.31 | n0t3rM | bazhang what your OS? |
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| 00:52.45 | vegenaise | im not sure bazhang, plex is a media streaming player, like kodi |
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| 00:52.48 | ht | *sorry googolplex |
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| 00:53.10 | n0t3rM | bazhang what your SO? |
| 00:53.11 | bazhang | yeah, replaced by kodi as plex is doa |
| 00:53.28 | bazhang | SO? |
| 00:53.48 | bazhang | I have no issues here, it's vegenaise that does |
| 00:54.06 | n0t3rM | Operational system |
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| 00:54.37 | bazhang | n0t3rM, thats not important, I'm not the one with issues |
| 00:54.46 | vegenaise | plex is doa? im not sure what you're talking about. not really what im trying to troubleshoot right now |
| 00:55.12 | bazhang | I got a kodi system running superbly |
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| 00:55.29 | bazhang | plex is just super not the thing anymore |
| 00:55.47 | vegenaise | thats nice, i like plex better, neither is super relavent to what im stuck on |
| 00:56.19 | bazhang | intel has drivers for that, but you seem to have it in hand |
| 00:56.41 | vegenaise | drivers for my video card? |
| 00:56.52 | bazhang | yeppers |
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| 00:57.55 | vegenaise | might it be called a proccessor microcode data file? |
| 00:58.08 | bazhang | no |
| 00:58.29 | vegenaise | good cause it only went up to debian jessie anyway |
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| 00:59.13 | bazhang | I'd help, but for the plex, apologies |
| 00:59.22 | vegenaise | i only see drivers for windows |
| 00:59.31 | vegenaise | i dont have issues with plex bazhag |
| 00:59.38 | vegenaise | *bazhang |
| 00:59.38 | bazhang | oh they have linux ones |
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| 01:00.17 | vegenaise | plex works fine. im trying to stream via the browser over the LAN to this 2nd computer, thats not running plex, which has tearing and etc |
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| 01:00.20 | bazhang | I thought you had screen tearing issues with plex, or did I miss that |
| 01:01.11 | vegenaise | ok, lemme try again |
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| 01:01.57 | bazhang | somwthing streamed *from* plex, and that stream is tearing ussue on a nother machine |
| 01:02.13 | vegenaise | running plex on a local server, a windows 10 machine. this server has 0 issues. when trying to stream over the LAN to the 2nd computer, the low powered x130e, the x130e has video tearing when using hdmi to my tv |
| 01:02.22 | vegenaise | yup |
| 01:03.08 | bazhang | this is the first about the hdmi to tv I saw |
| 01:03.35 | vegenaise | sorry, i thought i mentioned it before, but maybe i wasnt as clear as i should have been |
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| 01:04.04 | bazhang | what about to a non super old machine hdmi to tv |
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| 01:04.37 | n0t3rM | update your video drivers |
| 01:04.54 | vegenaise | yea, my sandybridge i7 with compton does not have tearing |
| 01:05.02 | vegenaise | how might i do that n0t3rM? |
| 01:05.05 | bazhang | he couldnt find the intel ones |
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| 01:05.23 | vegenaise | i looked here bazhang:https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/59798/Intel-Core-i3-2367M-Processor-3M-Cache-1-40-GHz- |
| 01:05.30 | vegenaise | did you find them elsewhere? |
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| 01:15.03 | bazhang | vegenaise, isnt that for a CPU |
| 01:15.43 | vegenaise | well bazhang, they also had graphics drivers there. but looking here (https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/81500), it's still only for windows |
| 01:16.54 | vegenaise | see, this computer has an integrated gpu, so intel hd graphics, thus need drivers for the cpu, it doesn't have its own separate gpu |
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| 01:17.54 | metastable | That's not how that works. |
| 01:18.11 | vegenaise | no? |
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| 01:18.25 | vegenaise | how does it work metastable? |
| 01:18.29 | metastable | An integrated GPU simply means that the GPU is in the same package as the CPU, and typically shares RAM with the CPU. |
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| 01:18.48 | metastable | For the purposes of drivers, etc., it's a GPU. |
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| 01:19.59 | vegenaise | ok metastable, that seems like semantics. but whatever. i still cannot find drivers for intel hd 3000 for linux |
| 01:20.25 | vegenaise | is it even possible to update the video drivers as people have been saying? or should i be trying something else? |
| 01:20.33 | metastable | vegenaise: You're sitting here trying to find drivers for your CPU and you're going to tell me that it's semantics. OKAY THEN. |
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| 01:21.43 | vegenaise | well metastable, can you answer that second q? |
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| 01:22.06 | vegenaise | i've already stated that im a total linux noob. i do not know where to start, how to address this issue |
| 01:22.19 | vegenaise | people have told me its not an issue of a compositor |
| 01:22.28 | vegenaise | that i need to update my drivers |
| 01:22.34 | vegenaise | but nothing further. |
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| 01:24.05 | vegenaise | im not trying to be a jerk, really, but just going off of what i know. i know it has an integrated gpu, uses intel hd 3000 video graphics, but have no idea how to update drivers or where to find them |
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| 01:25.25 | metastable | vegenaise: I assume you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed? |
| 01:26.06 | metastable | Ah, that's only for OLD versions. |
| 01:26.15 | metastable | The kernel's builtin driver is the correct driver for this. |
| 01:26.37 | metastable | There is no way to "update" it, as its included with the Linux kernel. The only update is the kernel itself. |
| 01:26.49 | bazhang | metastable, he has plex, and a super old machine plus hdmi to tv |
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| 01:27.22 | metastable | bazhang: The builtin modesetting driver is the best option for anything made after like... 2006. |
| 01:27.30 | vegenaise | oh metastable. would a newer kernel perform better? |
| 01:28.06 | metastable | vegenaise: No. Intel isn't doing any further work on that GPU. |
| 01:28.57 | metastable | They haven't for a long time. |
| 01:29.09 | vegenaise | hmm. was i way off base asking about compositors? am i just SOL? |
| 01:31.28 | metastable | You're running a 6 year old graphics chip that was basically craptastic when it was new. |
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| 01:31.45 | vegenaise | lol yea that is very true |
| 01:31.59 | vegenaise | my i7 does alright though! |
| 01:32.20 | vegenaise | same chip era, different debian |
| 01:32.30 | vegenaise | no tearing on the i7 |
| 01:32.39 | metastable | Which i7? |
| 01:32.59 | vegenaise | sandybridge i7 2620m |
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| 01:34.47 | metastable | Yeah, the GPU in that is significantly faster. |
| 01:35.54 | vegenaise | would more ram help? seems the laptop can take up to 8gb, although it only has 4gb right now |
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| 01:36.23 | metastable | I'm not sure how much more you're going to be able to squeeze out of that. |
| 01:36.42 | vegenaise | well dang |
| 01:36.54 | vegenaise | thanks for your help metastable |
| 01:36.59 | vegenaise | you too bazhang |
| 01:37.02 | metastable | Sorry it wasn't more effective. |
| 01:37.17 | vegenaise | its ok. it didnt expect much out of this basic netbook |
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| 01:41.43 | wallbroken | hello |
| 01:41.56 | wallbroken | can i use aptitude in this way? |
| 01:42.00 | wallbroken | apt-get install python pycrypt |
| 01:42.10 | wallbroken | two software names in tail |
| 01:43.39 | ivan | yes |
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| 02:20.11 | DanielTheFox | :( |
| 02:20.29 | DanielTheFox | 'been looking for solutions through the internet |
| 02:20.42 | DanielTheFox | but everything points to enabled firewall |
| 02:21.03 | DanielTheFox | except I don't know which firewall, as I didn't install it intentionally |
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| 02:26.38 | metastable | DanielTheFox: What's the actual issue? |
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| 02:28.58 | DanielTheFox | metastable, well, this Debian 9 machine isn't accepting any incoming TCP/IP connection from the outside |
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| 02:29.08 | DanielTheFox | no SSH, no FTP, not even Telnet |
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| 02:29.21 | DanielTheFox | no HTTP as well |
| 02:29.44 | DanielTheFox | and, by the outside, I mean, other computers |
| 02:29.52 | DanielTheFox | because it accepts its own connections |
| 02:29.56 | DanielTheFox | for example... |
| 02:30.06 | DanielTheFox | if I run ssh 192.168.2.3 |
| 02:30.10 | DanielTheFox | its own IP |
| 02:30.13 | DanielTheFox | it works |
| 02:30.31 | DanielTheFox | if another computer in the same network does the same, it doesn't work |
| 02:31.17 | ivan | DanielTheFox: sometimes you can have a broken network that sends packets to the wrong computer |
| 02:31.26 | DanielTheFox | hmm, it can be |
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| 02:31.34 | DanielTheFox | how do I know if that is happening? |
| 02:31.46 | DanielTheFox | all computers have been set their IPs as static |
| 02:32.04 | DanielTheFox | so, no DHCP randomness (yet I know you can do DHCP reservations and stuff, but meh) |
| 02:32.35 | ivan | check your iptables first, that is more likely |
| 02:32.56 | DanielTheFox | totally empty |
| 02:33.02 | ivan | iptables -L |
| 02:33.06 | DanielTheFox | indeed, I did that |
| 02:33.08 | ivan | ok |
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| 02:34.16 | DanielTheFox | so I am not really sure of what can I do |
| 02:35.28 | DanielTheFox | oh, and this PC can accept pings |
| 02:35.37 | DanielTheFox | and answer them properly |
| 02:35.39 | ivan | you can use `arp` or `ip neigh` to make sure the other machine is reaching the right computer |
| 02:36.20 | ivan | do you have some kind of managed switch or VLAN setup that might be blocking things? |
| 02:36.39 | DanielTheFox | I don't think so |
| 02:36.51 | DanielTheFox | researches about VLAN |
| 02:37.04 | ivan | anything interesting in journalctl? |
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| 02:38.17 | DanielTheFox | I don't know what to search in journalctl |
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| 02:40.01 | DanielTheFox | I remember there was a way to send a paste directly to the internet and receive the link |
| 02:40.06 | DanielTheFox | directly in the terminal |
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| 02:40.35 | sussudio | to the entire internet? |
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| 02:40.59 | OS-34149 | hi |
| 02:41.06 | ivan | https://clbin.com/ |
| 02:41.07 | OS-34149 | first time in IRC channel |
| 02:41.11 | DanielTheFox | dunno if entire, but I can say the big vast internet |
| 02:41.41 | DanielTheFox | hmm... |
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| 02:45.00 | DanielTheFox | https://clbin.com/U3UIP |
| 02:45.06 | DanielTheFox | this is my journalctl |
| 02:45.09 | troubavant | OS-34149 hey |
| 02:45.10 | troubavant | welcome |
| 02:45.15 | DanielTheFox | extremely long |
| 02:45.19 | DanielTheFox | ivan, ^ |
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| 02:46.46 | ivan | DanielTheFox: I don't see anything suspicious there |
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| 02:47.24 | ivan | I guess that suggests network breakage is more likely e.g. weird switch behavior or two computers with one IP |
| 02:47.40 | DanielTheFox | there are just three computers in this network |
| 02:48.01 | DanielTheFox | and one is turned off (and the network card turns off too -- no WOL) |
| 02:48.10 | DanielTheFox | so there are only two |
| 02:48.25 | DanielTheFox | 192.168.2.1 (gateway, what I try to use as SSH client) |
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| 02:48.40 | DanielTheFox | and 192.168.2.3 (the 'server', but it's refusing everything) |
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| 02:49.00 | ivan | I guess the other thing that could be going on is, your network card doesn't really work |
| 02:49.06 | DanielTheFox | hmm... |
| 02:49.16 | DanielTheFox | it was working in another distro |
| 02:49.22 | DanielTheFox | so I can discard that |
| 02:49.22 | ivan | then it is probably not that |
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| 02:49.37 | DanielTheFox | also, it works in Window$ too |
| 02:50.33 | DanielTheFox | I stared for a while on the fact sshd adds and deletes a user called sshd |
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| 02:50.44 | DanielTheFox | but I noticed it was normal |
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| 02:51.23 | DanielTheFox | pretty sure you notice what kind of PC I'm using |
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| 02:57.56 | metastable | DanielTheFox: So, the issue is that your Debian box isn't accepting incoming connections like SSH, right? |
| 02:58.02 | DanielTheFox | right |
| 02:58.13 | DanielTheFox | it's, in fact, refusing everything |
| 02:58.23 | metastable | DanielTheFox: "ss -lt | grep ssh" do you get any output? |
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| 02:59.35 | DanielTheFox | it |
| 02:59.43 | DanielTheFox | it's listening |
| 03:00.01 | metastable | The Debian box. Can you ping your gateway, or an external IP? |
| 03:00.27 | DanielTheFox | yep |
| 03:00.30 | DanielTheFox | in fact... |
| 03:00.37 | DanielTheFox | I'm connected from that faulty PC |
| 03:01.02 | DanielTheFox | https://clbin.com/HNnR4 |
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| 03:01.23 | metastable | DanielTheFox: Pastebin the output of 'ip a' and 'iptables -S' |
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| 03:02.45 | DanielTheFox | https://clbin.com/VR60D |
| 03:02.50 | DanielTheFox | https://clbin.com/70pHw |
| 03:02.57 | DanielTheFox | first one is ip a |
| 03:03.05 | DanielTheFox | second one is iptables -S |
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| 03:03.58 | metastable | The second one gives me a 404 error when I try to bring it up. |
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| 03:04.14 | DanielTheFox | https://clbin.com/7OpHw |
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| 03:06.05 | DanielTheFox | metastable, better? |
| 03:06.09 | metastable | Yeah. |
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| 03:06.32 | DanielTheFox | anything weird in my settings? |
| 03:06.40 | metastable | Nope, all standard stuff. |
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| 03:07.56 | metastable | What is the -exact- error from the client? |
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| 03:23.46 | DanielTheFox | metastable, refused connection |
| 03:24.12 | DanielTheFox | well... |
| 03:24.16 | DanielTheFox | I'm gtg |
| 03:24.20 | DanielTheFox | sleep, bed |
| 03:24.25 | DanielTheFox | bye |
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| 03:29.50 | preyalone | is the "standard" collection of packages truly necessary when preseeding a Stretch server? when i try to tasksel just "ssh-server", the installer complains of an error |
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| 03:30.55 | jelly | preyalone: it's not, but without it you basically only have apt-get |
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| 03:40.15 | preyalone | gah, i was misspelling the "acpid" package in my pkgsel/include, hopefully that clears it up |
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| 04:11.38 | hiexpo | hi all |
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| 05:42.28 | preyalone | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 05:43.09 | themill | laptop-task is selected based on the hardware |
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| 05:44.42 | preyalone | lol i guess the virtualbox hardware seems like a laptop somehow |
| 05:45.27 | themill | (it looks at `laptop-detect`) |
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| 05:47.00 | ambient | Howdy, got a question. I am trying to find a directory on my machine "/{directorypath}/plugins/fonts" which is part of a program called cinelerra (GG version). So I know where the fonts folder is, but not where the plugin fonts folder is. |
| 05:47.26 | ambient | How do I locate the path to the plugin folder fonts? |
| 05:48.33 | themill | the dmm packages use /usr/lib/cinelerra/fonts/ |
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| 05:49.50 | ambient | themill, Ahh, thanks! |
| 05:50.10 | themill | there's no separate fonts plugin directory |
| 05:51.28 | ambient | themill, My program is special |
| 05:51.44 | ambient | I get lotsa crashes so the devs are trying to debug |
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| 06:03.41 | maktm | when creating a custom debian ISO, can i change common/bootloaders/grub-pc/splash.png to customize the GRUB background? |
| 06:03.46 | maktm | or will there be problems? |
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| 06:07.17 | maktm | yeah i can |
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| 06:12.26 | preyalone | grr, debconf keeps reporting silly terminal messages, even though debconf/frontend=noninteractive is passed to the install command :/ |
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| 06:19.05 | todd_ | Hey i'm using 9.20 kde. I tried installing ksmoothdock, and when I go back to the widget store, the trash can is there like I have it installed, but it doesn't show up under utilities. Any ideas? |
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| 06:20.39 | preyalone | ah, guess i'll also preseed "d-i debconf debconf/frontend select Noninteractive", as many of the install parameters are strangely ignored in Stretch |
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| 06:26.00 | Kajika_ | preyalone: you mean this https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kde-full ? |
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| 06:48.36 | Rico | hello |
| 06:48.45 | Rico | can anyone help me with multipath on debian 9 |
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| 06:50.20 | Rico | don't understand what's wrong : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/565694 |
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| 06:57.34 | progzmin | hello. I am going to install broadcom-sta-dkms as specified in https://wiki.debian.org/wl for [14e4:4727] (rev 01) |
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| 06:57.57 | progzmin | my question is: should I apt-get remove something before installing sta-dkms? |
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| 06:58.26 | progzmin | and if so, how can I see which wireless driver is currently installed? |
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| 07:06.10 | klys | rico could you paste multipath.conf |
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| 07:06.28 | Rico | klys: seems to work now, change readsector0 to rdac |
| 07:06.38 | klys | thx bud |
| 07:07.26 | Rico | klaas: I pasted a multipath.conf from a debian8 install, readsector0 seems to be deprecated too |
| 07:07.39 | Rico | I'll try moving to rdac too |
| 07:07.44 | klys | it's okay |
| 07:07.55 | Rico | or directio |
| 07:08.26 | klys | progzmin, iwconfig |
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| 07:08.53 | Kajika_ | progzmin: As no one answered you I can tell you that as far as I know I never had driver conflict so far, I assume new drivers config themselves to be prioritized like when you install lightdm over sddm |
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| 07:54.29 | Rico | klys: seems multipath does not work correctly : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/565696 |
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| 08:01.01 | RoyK | Rico: have you checked status on that equallogic thing? |
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| 08:03.56 | Rico | RoyK: my iscsi connections are both up |
| 08:04.12 | RoyK | ok |
| 08:04.44 | RoyK | I only use mp on a single machine at work, connected to a netapp - I don't know too much about debugging it |
| 08:05.00 | RoyK | perhaps someone in #linux-raid might know |
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| 08:08.27 | annadane | are there any irc channels for the debian handbook? |
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| 08:11.07 | annadane | well, whatever, there's probably a mailing list, which is probably what i want more |
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| 08:19.57 | rawruw | learning syslog. Can I downgrade to syslog? |
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| 08:34.25 | dacav | Hello Debian! I was wondering: is it possible to host a Debian repository upon a Centos machine? |
| 08:35.35 | dacav | A bit of context: I'm required to create a RPM repository. The repo is just a http server which runs the `createrepo` command when needed. |
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| 08:36.15 | dacav | I'm not yet to the point in which I'll also set up its DEB counterpart… but I was wondering if there's a command akin to `createrepo` under debian that I will eventually need to run |
| 08:36.43 | dacav | And if so, if that command is available under Centos |
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| 08:38.29 | dacav | If there is I can do both things with one server and spare some resources. Otherwise I'll opt for two machines, one running Centos and the other running Debian |
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| 08:41.37 | crcrcr | are there any requirements for a software to be in debian repositories? |
| 08:43.22 | crcrcr | (i'm looking at Natron and wondering why it's not there) |
| 08:43.28 | annadane | !dfsg |
| 08:43.28 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 08:43.37 | Iridos | dacav, it's just software… wwhat repository… a mirror or own packages |
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| 08:44.21 | no_gravity | Why does "x=7;(echo $x)" print 7 but when I put the x=7 into a script, it prints nothing? |
| 08:44.47 | Iridos | crcrcr, it has to be free software and license status has to be clear (i.e. not undefined) … and on the technical side, someone has to package it and packaging has to be up to standards |
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| 08:46.02 | Iridos | no_gravity, if you put x=7 into a script that would be the equivalent of (x=7);echo $~x |
| 08:46.05 | crcrcr | they have a DEB package already |
| 08:46.43 | no_gravity | Iridos: What is "$~x"? |
| 08:47.01 | well_laid_lawn | you need a shebang |
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| 08:47.04 | Iridos | no_gravity, a typo |
| 08:48.04 | RoyK | crcrcr: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775490 - it seems they have a ton of dependencies to pretty strange stuff |
| 08:48.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/775490 in wnpp (open): «RFP: natron -- Natron is an open-source, crossplatform,»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-01-16; last modified: 2017-09-16. |
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| 08:48.15 | no_gravity | Iridos: But the () subshell behaves different then a script. That is the point of my question. |
| 08:48.19 | Iridos | hm, but the question is indeed why this works on a single line interactively |
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| 08:49.02 | no_gravity | Iridos: The answer might be that a () subshell creates a copy of the current shell. |
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| 08:49.31 | Iridos | no_gravity, ask #bash … it's a good question |
| 08:50.11 | no_gravity | Iridos: It seems a () subshell creates a copy of the current shell. With all the same variables defined. |
| 08:50.16 | no_gravity | Iridos: While a script creates a new blank shell. |
| 08:51.29 | crcrcr | RoyK can you tell me more about it? |
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| 08:51.51 | crcrcr | oh i think i get it |
| 08:52.15 | Tekknobard | no_gravity yes, subshell forks the current shell process |
| 08:52.18 | crcrcr | these dependecies should be included as well |
| 08:52.56 | crcrcr | mmm what is glog? |
| 08:53.05 | dacav | crcrcr: No special requirement. It's just packages that we use internally in my company |
| 08:53.22 | dacav | We will build these packages, eventually. Currently it's only Centos, as soon as possible also Debian |
| 08:53.44 | dacav | Iridos: own packages |
| 08:54.30 | dacav | Note that this won't be about building packages (for that I'll be using a debian vm) |
| 08:54.50 | dacav | It's really just about publishing them and keep repository metadata |
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| 08:55.10 | crcrcr | dacav are you dev? |
| 08:55.25 | dacav | crcrcr: dev? |
| 08:55.32 | dacav | A debian dev? Nope… |
| 08:55.36 | dacav | I would like tho |
| 08:55.37 | dacav | :) |
| 08:55.37 | Iridos | dpkg, own repo |
| 08:55.38 | dpkg | To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 08:56.52 | dacav | thanks Iridos |
| 08:57.22 | crcrcr | what's your company then? |
| 08:57.26 | Iridos | yw |
| 08:57.53 | dacav | crcrcr: the company I work for |
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| 08:58.32 | dacav | Iridos: thanks. It actually is packaged for Centos, part of the "dpkg-dev" package. This answers my question :) |
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| 08:59.06 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 08:59.43 | Iridos | and I wasn't even aware of that :Dd |
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| 09:00.05 | dacav | crcrcr: I'm software developer. I have a package on Fedora, so I know about packaging under red-hat like systems… I'm planning to eventually port my packages in Debian as well. For the moment the thing I'm doing is helping out my work colleagues to do proper packaging in the company |
| 09:04.21 | patterson | snappy? |
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| 09:05.06 | patterson | Is this any good? https://snapcraft.io/ |
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| 09:10.35 | dacav | patterson: I don't know... :) But knowing I can simply have one machine is well enough for the moment. Thanks anyway for the pointer |
| 09:10.41 | dacav | Thanks everyone :) |
| 09:11.11 | patterson | Just thinking that there may bew univeral package makers. I should have said that |
| 09:11.19 | patterson | be new |
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| 09:12.49 | dexta | hi |
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| 09:14.59 | patterson | Hi |
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| 09:29.05 | aiRness | Hello. After my last dist-uprade (some hours ago) on debian testing, it seems that some application do not show their systray icons anymore, I have all the libappindicator packages installed |
| 09:29.39 | aiRness | if I run the applications with dbus-launch the icons at systray will come back again though |
| 09:29.42 | aiRness | is there a bug? |
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| 09:37.50 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 09:37.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:38.04 | petn-randall | aiRness: Try asking in the channel above, where all the testing/sid users hang out. ^^^ |
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| 09:39.35 | aiRness | petn-randall: alright thanks |
| 09:39.54 | aiRness | petn-randall: I need an invite for this channel though |
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| 09:40.18 | peenoise5 | orphaned processes are reaped.. does that mean that they are terminated :(? or does that mean that they're reowned by init? |
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| 09:42.14 | n4dir | aiRness: you don't need one. Read the factoid again, #debian-next is on oftc, not on freenode. |
| 09:42.45 | RoyK | btw, why is #debian-next on oftc? |
| 09:43.01 | aiRness | makes sense (not really) but thanks :) |
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| 09:45.23 | n4dir | RoyK i am not that much in the subject, but the question should rather be: why is #debian on freenode, not on oftc. |
| 09:45.36 | n4dir | perhaps dpkg knows some inside info |
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| 09:46.41 | n4dir | !oftc move |
| 09:46.41 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 09:47.03 | petn-randall | It's because all Debian channels are on OFTC. We're the rebel stronghold. |
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| 09:48.43 | RoyK | n4dir: seems freenode and oftc are friends again https://www.linux.com/news/freenode-and-oftc-irc-networks-buddy |
| 09:48.52 | Rovanion | I've got a filesystem on a virtual device that seems to be much smaller than the partition it belongs to. Do you have any tips on how to figure this one out? |
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| 09:49.17 | Rovanion | lsblk shows the 1TB size, fdisk -l the same. But when mounted the FS is merely 26GB in size. |
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| 09:49.29 | peenoise5 | if debian no longer install cron by default, they surely rely on something else which I assume is systemd? |
| 09:49.32 | RoyK | Rovanion: what does 'mount' say? |
| 09:49.59 | Rovanion | RoyK: That its mounted, ext4, normal set of options. |
| 09:50.07 | Rovanion | /dev/vdb1 on /mnt/inspelningar type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
| 09:50.12 | RoyK | peenoise5: I'm quite certain stretch has cron in y default |
| 09:50.17 | RoyK | Rovanion: df -h? |
| 09:50.30 | Rovanion | RoyK: /dev/vdb1 28G 26G 972M 97% /mnt/inspelningar |
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| 09:50.44 | RoyK | lsblk for that? |
| 09:51.02 | RoyK | lsblk|grep vdb |
| 09:51.03 | Rovanion | RoyK: `-vdb1 254:17 0 1024G 0 part /mnt/inspelningar |
| 09:51.43 | RoyK | resize2fs /dev/vdb1 # should do - keep a backup - perhaps your installation is allergic to sursill :D |
| 09:51.56 | themill | peenoise5: cron is still around and is still standard |
| 09:52.07 | Rovanion | RoyK: Umount first I suppose? |
| 09:52.12 | RoyK | no nee |
| 09:52.14 | RoyK | no need |
| 09:52.16 | themill | (or more precisely, 'important') |
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| 09:53.22 | RoyK | peenoise5: systemd can do cron-like stuff, possibly a lot smarter than cron, but some of us still like to have cron around as an old habit |
| 09:53.40 | Rovanion | RoyK: Online resizing, would you look at that. I've never been able to do that on Linux before. Windows disk manager on the other hand has been able to. All very impressive. |
| 09:54.04 | RoyK | Rovanion: it's been possible on linux for a decade or so |
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| 09:54.44 | patterson | longer than that. gparted |
| 09:54.45 | RoyK | Rovanion: and then, linux can convert a mirror to a raid5 to a raid6 to a raid5 again - all online - windows can't |
| 09:54.53 | Rovanion | But only in certain cases? I've never been able to do it with gparted. But that's probably not just fs resizing but partition resizing. |
| 09:55.26 | RoyK | Rovanion: don't use partitions - they're old and ugly - lvm is the way to go |
| 09:55.29 | patterson | You might have the cart in front of the horse |
| 09:55.44 | Rovanion | RoyK: Pff, zpools :D |
| 09:55.50 | RoyK | obviously |
| 09:56.07 | RoyK | but then, I recently migrted away from zfs because of its lack of flexibility |
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| 09:56.38 | Rovanion | On the other hand it does't kill itself like btrfs ;) |
| 09:56.49 | RoyK | correct |
| 09:57.09 | RoyK | I setup some 100TiB systems on ZFS 6-7 years ago |
| 09:57.15 | RoyK | that was pretty neat |
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| 09:57.20 | patterson | I want everything to resile with vigor |
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| 09:59.34 | hmpf1 | Hello! I'm using pbuilder to build a package. One dependecy is fullfilled from a local repository. The version there is correct, but pbuilder says it's loading a previous version (thats not on the server anymore). Is there a local cache he uses? |
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| 10:10.24 | atb_ks_01 | hi, mariadb-server on stretch fails to install on postinst on amd64 for me. Seems like a debconf issue, apparently "db_set mariadb-server/postrm_remove_database false || true" fails 'cause this debconf key does not exist. please help! |
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| 10:12.49 | Iridos | you can just edit the postinstall or postrm script to correct it… |
| 10:13.21 | RoyK | atb_ks_01: is this a clean stretch install? if so, try as Iridos said and file a bug when you find the error |
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| 10:13.26 | Iridos | trivially, you can just put an "exit 0" at the beginning of the script… but then of course all the things the script was supposed to do don't get done |
| 10:13.38 | Iridos | dpkg, postinstall |
| 10:13.38 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 10:14.08 | atb_ks_01 | oh, yeah, of course! was alreading worrying that I would have to rebuild the package... :-) will try, thanks! |
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| 10:23.47 | BoBeR182 | hello |
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| 10:24.03 | BoBeR182 | I have let's encrypt working for my freepbx for SSL |
| 10:24.17 | BoBeR182 | but I can't get it to work for grafana |
| 10:24.23 | BoBeR182 | I get permission errors |
| 10:24.31 | BoBeR182 | but permissions are set correctly |
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| 10:25.14 | BoBeR182 | https://ptpb.pw/cQe3 |
| 10:25.20 | BoBeR182 | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 10:26.59 | RoyK | BoBeR182: try ls -aslL cert.pem |
| 10:27.21 | BoBeR182 | ls: cannot access 'cert.pem': Permission denied |
| 10:27.43 | RoyK | well, the permissions on the file linked to are wrong, then |
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| 10:28.05 | RoyK | it doesn't help to be able to read the symlink if you can't read the file it's linking to |
| 10:28.18 | BoBeR182 | root@sip:~# ls -aslL /etc/letsencrypt/live/sip.nullvoid.me/cert.pem |
| 10:28.18 | BoBeR182 | 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root ssl-cert 1797 Oct 28 02:25 /etc/letsencrypt/live/sip.nullvoid.me/cert.pem |
| 10:28.26 | BoBeR182 | it's world readable |
| 10:28.29 | BoBeR182 | and group readable |
| 10:28.46 | mutante | "archive" seems an odd place to store a cert? |
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| 10:28.58 | RoyK | BoBeR182: what about the parent directories? |
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| 10:29.10 | RoyK | BoBeR182: you need to allow acess to them as well |
| 10:29.12 | mutante | you are linking somewhere else though |
| 10:29.44 | BoBeR182 | everything upwards is world readable |
| 10:29.47 | BoBeR182 | and group readable |
| 10:29.57 | RoyK | mutante: doesn't really follow LSB, but then, people can do as they please |
| 10:30.07 | babilen | You haven't shown the permissions of the file you link to |
| 10:30.09 | ForceRecon | is there any fix for this error - [1408563.930132] sky2 0000:02:00.0 eth0: rx error, status 0x3c2300 length 56 |
| 10:30.09 | ForceRecon | [1408571.405707] sky2 0000:02:00.0 eth0: rx error, status 0x3c2300 length 56 |
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| 10:30.32 | RoyK | BoBeR182: as the user that needs to read them, su - username and try to cd into that dir to find where it stops |
| 10:30.40 | RoyK | BoBeR182: shouldn't be too hard |
| 10:30.45 | mutante | of course they can. but they get permission issues if grafana user needs to read it, as we see right here |
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| 10:31.26 | BoBeR182 | when I su grafana I can get all the way into the folder |
| 10:31.26 | BoBeR182 | just I can't open the one file |
| 10:31.36 | babilen | /etc/letsencrypt/live/sip.nullvoid.me/cert.pem is not the same as ../../archive/sip.nullvoid.me/cert1.pem from /etc/letsencrypt/live/sip.nullvoid.me (that would be /etc/letsencrypt/archive/sip.nullvoid.me/cert1.pem) |
| 10:32.14 | RoyK | BoBeR182: then there's a permission issue, obviously |
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| 10:32.42 | RoyK | BoBeR182: if it all looks ok, check getfacl on the file |
| 10:33.03 | babilen | BoBeR182: Please show us the permissions of the file in question. Run "cd ../../archive/sip.nullvoid.me" and then "ls -lah cert1.pem" as well as "cat cert1.pem". Might not be a bad idea to paste "getfacl cert1.pem" also |
| 10:33.12 | peenoise5 | syslog still in use in debian? |
| 10:33.32 | RoyK | peenoise5: rsyslogd |
| 10:33.41 | RoyK | but syslog, yes |
| 10:33.41 | mutante | chmod o+r cert1.pem |
| 10:33.56 | peenoise5 | RoyK: why isn't it using systemd for syslogging? |
| 10:33.58 | RoyK | mutante: better put the grafana user in a group |
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| 10:34.17 | BoBeR182 | grafana is part of the ssl-cert group |
| 10:34.24 | RoyK | peenoise5: no idea - I don't like systemd a lot |
| 10:34.28 | atb_ks_01 | ok, now this is strange: calling the modified postinst via /usr/share/debconf/frontend works, but dpkg -D777 --configure --force-all mariadb-server-10.1 still fails...?! |
| 10:34.29 | BoBeR182 | hmm, archive/ is missing group and world readable |
| 10:34.36 | mutante | RoyK: ok, good practice in general. yea. on the other hand shrug, it's the cert, not the key |
| 10:34.36 | BoBeR182 | how would I add it again |
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| 10:34.57 | babilen | BoBeR182: I wouldn't make it world readable actually |
| 10:35.10 | babilen | g+r is one way |
| 10:35.10 | BoBeR182 | how would I make it group readable |
| 10:35.11 | mutante | who cares , the cert is presented to all browsers |
| 10:35.18 | peenoise5 | RoyK: me neither, and I don't know much about it. But it doesn't look elegantly designed from what I've seen. I think it could have been designed a lot simpler while still doing the same thing |
| 10:35.20 | peenoise5 | s |
| 10:35.36 | BoBeR182 | chmod g+r -R /archive ??? |
| 10:35.59 | Rovanion | chmod g+r -R / archive !!! |
| 10:36.00 | mutante | i already pasted the commandline above |
| 10:36.22 | RoyK | peenoise5: only problem is that it'll take another few years before it's completely replaced sysv init scripts, and at that time, someone has come up with another better |
| 10:36.34 | BoBeR182 | no space? |
| 10:36.39 | BoBeR182 | no |
| 10:36.42 | BoBeR182 | that's a trap |
| 10:36.44 | babilen | Rovanion: Please don't do that |
| 10:37.06 | babilen | In fact .. we really don't like it |
| 10:37.07 | mutante | no need to do recursive things on archive, just use the filename |
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| 10:38.08 | babilen | BoBeR182: Just in case it wasn't clear .. do *NOT* run "chmod g+r -R / archive" |
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| 10:39.34 | BoBeR182 | yay I fixed it |
| 10:40.12 | RoyK | how? |
| 10:40.38 | BoBeR182 | added g+rx to archive |
| 10:41.17 | BoBeR182 | thanks everyone |
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| 10:41.33 | peenoise5 | RoyK: but why would debian still use sysv init scripts today? |
| 10:41.50 | babilen | Because there isn't a replacement for everything yet |
| 10:42.01 | RoyK | peenoise5: it still does |
| 10:42.18 | peenoise5 | why? it's "old" |
| 10:42.22 | atb_ks_01 | Iridos: ok, now this is strange: calling the modified postinst via /usr/share/debconf/frontend works, but dpkg -D777 --configure --force-all mariadb-server-10.1 still fails...?! |
| 10:42.32 | babilen | peenoise5: As I said: There isn't a replacement for every script yet |
| 10:42.45 | hmpf1 | can somebody tell me why pbuilder insists on old versions of packages that are not present anymore? How do I update it's list? |
| 10:42.57 | peenoise5 | babilen: all they have to do is just write a simple small unit file for them. |
| 10:43.07 | babilen | hmpf1: You could update your chroot -- where do you build? |
| 10:43.31 | babilen | peenoise5: It's not necessarily that simple .. but feel free to do it for all remaining services. It will be much appreciated. |
| 10:43.48 | babilen | (and shouldn't take you long if it is, in fact, that easy) |
| 10:44.18 | RoyK | peenoise5: there are 50k packages in stretch, and they are carefully handled not to make things break. It takes some time to rewrite it all. It's not like all of them have daemons or systemd/sysv scripts integreation, but it's still a fair few with that |
| 10:44.19 | hmpf1 | babilen: on a build server. the base.tgz and result directory are in the project folder, the rest in default locations. the base.tgz is update befor the build. |
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| 10:45.00 | babilen | hmpf1: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a better channel for this discussion .. it might also help to see your build output on http://paste.debian.net so that the error/problem is obvious |
| 10:45.31 | hmpf1 | babilen: good to know, thank you. |
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| 10:49.22 | peenoise5 | RoyK: I see |
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| 11:05.52 | Ulrar | Hi, I just installed a debian jessie VM, and it did boot fine but now some binaries (ldd, gzip ..) won't execute because "cannot execute binary file: Exec format error" |
| 11:06.01 | Ulrar | But most things, like bash, ls, file .. are fine |
| 11:06.10 | Ulrar | This makes no sense, any idea what might have gone wrong ? |
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| 11:06.56 | bachler | Ulrar: file $(which gzip) |
| 11:06.58 | bachler | Ulrar: file $(which bash) |
| 11:07.02 | Ulrar | data |
| 11:07.06 | Ulrar | I checked already |
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| 11:07.35 | Ulrar | The only difference on a normal install is that this time I did left a DE checked |
| 11:07.44 | Ulrar | (chose XFCE) |
| 11:07.54 | Ulrar | Never had that problem before, even with that very iso file |
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| 11:08.34 | rudi_s | Ulrar: apt install debsums && debsums -ca and check if it reports any broken files. If file reports data for binaries, this sounds like serious corruption (it should report ELF). |
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| 11:09.14 | RoyK | Ulrar: if file says "data", there's something quite terribly wrong with your installation |
| 11:09.39 | Ulrar | Yeah, debsums doesn't look happy |
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| 11:10.02 | Ulrar | I used the debian netinst amd64 as usual |
| 11:10.05 | Ulrar | This is weird |
| 11:10.21 | rudi_s | You can reinstall the package, but if it's a new installation I'd generate a new installation media (check its signature and checksum) and then reinstall. Also check dmesg and smart for potential disk issues. |
| 11:10.39 | Ulrar | It's a VM so the disk won't be the issue |
| 11:10.48 | Ulrar | Guess I'll download the new debian 9 netinst and try with that |
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| 11:11.54 | rudi_s | Ulrar: And verify the signature/checksum. |
| 11:12.02 | rudi_s | The host can still have disk issues. |
| 11:12.19 | Ulrar | if one of the hosts had disk issues, I'd have a _lot_ of VM yelling right now |
| 11:12.27 | Ulrar | Without mentionning the monitoring |
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| 11:15.35 | RoyK | Ulrar: do you have access to the host? |
| 11:16.20 | Ulrar | Sure |
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| 11:16.30 | RoyK | Ulrar: anything in dmesg? |
| 11:17.23 | Ulrar | Nope, everything is fine |
| 11:17.29 | Ulrar | Might be somthing weird when I enabled HA |
| 11:17.40 | Ulrar | Maybe it changed the cpu type of the VM or something |
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| 11:17.50 | Ulrar | Would be the first time but that's the only thing I can imagine |
| 11:18.25 | Ulrar | And the other VMs are fine so that doesn't make sense |
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| 11:21.36 | RoyK | erm… debsums complains about /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-automatic.gpg - I tried to apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring, but still the same |
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| 11:23.07 | Ulrar | Allright, a re-install with the new debian 9 netinst iso seems okay |
| 11:24.10 | Ulrar | Yep, all the binaries seem fine now |
| 11:24.19 | Ulrar | Guess there is something wonky with the old iso, I'll delete it |
| 11:24.21 | Ulrar | thanks |
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| 12:23.04 | mecasou | hi, i didnt find a package for nfs clients - the closes is nfs-common with server and client and python dependency.... why is there no simpel client package? |
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| 12:24.52 | mecasou | there is a simple nfs-utils package in linux from scractch, gentoo, rpm and arch :/ |
| 12:25.03 | mecasou | and alpine |
| 12:25.54 | petn-randall | mecasou: Because mount and the kernel can do it out of the box. |
| 12:26.32 | petn-randall | mecasou: And there *is* a nfs-client package, it's a virtual package provided by nfs-common. |
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| 12:27.27 | petn-randall | I take the "out of box" part back, mount.nfs is provided by nfs-common. |
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| 12:27.48 | mecasou | i was wondering because that would be complicated with the different version |
| 12:27.54 | mecasou | whats a virtual package? |
| 12:28.09 | petn-randall | !virtual package |
| 12:28.10 | dpkg | A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo". |
| 12:28.10 | mecasou | like i just want a small debian container with nfs and without python |
| 12:28.41 | gpunk | nfs depends on python ? that is nasty |
| 12:29.01 | mecasou | nfs-common does, ill try to figure out that virtual package thing |
| 12:30.15 | petn-randall | gpunk: You'll have a hard time installing a usual system without python or Perl. |
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| 12:30.42 | gpunk | perl I understand, but python, especially for nsf, no |
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| 12:31.54 | themill | nfs-common does not depend on python |
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| 12:32.59 | mecasou | if i apt install nfs-common it wants to install libpython-stdlib libpython2.7-minimal |
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| 12:33.13 | mecasou | python |
| 12:33.14 | mecasou | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.17 | themill | they are recommended, not depended |
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| 12:33.46 | petn-randall | mecasou: Try 'apt --no-install-recommends install nfs-common'. |
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| 12:35.10 | gpunk | ouf , saved ! :) |
| 12:35.37 | mecasou | ah i see thanks... but i dont like this way of handling dependecies >.> |
| 12:35.54 | themill | You'd rather it was harder to achieve your goal? |
| 12:36.22 | themill | Recommends exist exactly for this situation. |
| 12:36.59 | mecasou | it would be nice if the flag was ---install-recommends, keep it kiss but i guess thats opinions |
| 12:37.14 | mecasou | keep it kiss :P |
| 12:37.31 | themill | You're free to configure apt that way; you just get to keep both bits when packages are broken |
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| 12:39.58 | lefreut | hey guys |
| 12:40.17 | jelly | --recurse-recommends-depth=1 |
| 12:40.22 | jelly | (does not exist) |
| 12:40.36 | lefreut | the doc page for ALSA state that it is outdated but i can't find any other info. Does that mean debian stopped using ALSA or juste that the doc is outdated? |
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| 12:41.31 | themill | please try to be more vague, there's a chance we know what you mean |
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| 12:43.19 | lefreut | themill: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA , it state "This page is outdated. 2017-09-30 " with no more infos, wich is totally vague indeed. i'm trying to figure out why does is state that |
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| 12:45.42 | themill | I'm not sure I'd pay much attention to edits from that particular editor... |
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| 12:46.32 | themill | Maybe you could ask your actual question instead? |
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| 12:47.41 | RoyK | !ask | lefreut |
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| 12:48.04 | lefreut | let's say as of stretch does debian still use ALSA, by default, for driver level in the sound stack? |
| 12:48.08 | babilen | RoyK: This isn't #ubuntu |
| 12:48.46 | RoyK | babilen: I'm aware of that |
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| 12:49.17 | babilen | Good, might want to use dpkg: tell FOO about BAR then |
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| 12:49.33 | themill | lefreut: alsa is still what talks to the hardware. That's not a detail has changed or is likely to any time soon. |
| 12:49.54 | lefreut | themill: great! :) thanks |
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| 13:12.56 | Upoufou | Hello everyone, I have a problem. I tried to activate the automatic connection to vpn in SSID but in the gnome-control-center network; the option does not appear. So I used: nm-connection-editor the option appears but when I activate it. This makes a link that I connect with the gnome-control-center network |
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| 13:16.10 | Upoufou | so connection failed after that :( |
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| 13:23.05 | Upoufou | wow |
| 13:23.16 | Upoufou | 1100 peoples |
| 13:23.22 | Upoufou | but nothing for answer |
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| 13:24.28 | petn-randall | Upoufou: Welcome to IRC, where you need to be a little patient. |
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| 13:25.09 | Upoufou | thank you ok nor problem ans sorry for my english |
| 13:25.30 | petn-randall | Upoufou: It's not like 1100 people are sitting here, waiting for something to happen. Within the next 2 hours people will read the backlog, and respond if they know an answer. Just have to have a little faith :) |
| 13:26.29 | petn-randall | Upoufou: Which OS release are you running? |
| 13:26.40 | Upoufou | debian 9.2.1 |
| 13:26.46 | Upoufou | with gnome |
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| 13:28.16 | petn-randall | Upoufou: I have the option in network-manager when I right-click the systray icon → Edit connections ... → <select connection> → Edit → tab "General" |
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| 13:30.46 | Upoufou | when i right-click i have juste my connection |
| 13:30.58 | Upoufou | and when i click on, setting, change |
| 13:31.35 | petn-randall | I have network-manager-gnome, but running it in xfce4. Shouldn't change much, though. |
| 13:31.41 | Upoufou | if i click on my connection settintg, i have detail, security, identity, ip4, ip6, erase |
| 13:31.50 | Upoufou | i think so |
| 13:32.00 | Upoufou | i have install packet network-maner |
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| 13:32.05 | JustASlacker | could you guys come up with a way a normal user could create a file owned by root |
| 13:32.07 | Upoufou | the 4 paquets |
| 13:32.09 | JustASlacker | via ssh/scp |
| 13:32.34 | petn-randall | Upoufou: Do you have 'network-manager-gnome' installed? |
| 13:32.39 | Upoufou | yes |
| 13:32.48 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: Not without root access of some sort. Are you asking for that? |
| 13:33.03 | Upoufou | i don't know xfce4 i have install gnome ^^ |
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| 13:33.50 | Upoufou | i have the 4 paquets : network-manager, network-manager-gnome, network-manager-openvpn and network-amaner-openvpn-gnome |
| 13:34.26 | JustASlacker | petn-randall: no, I try to find out how a file belonging to root came to be |
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| 13:34.40 | JustASlacker | its a mystery |
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| 13:35.48 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: Tell us about that then. |
| 13:36.18 | JustASlacker | shrugs |
| 13:36.35 | JustASlacker | this is a debian server. user has access via ssh. they deploy a website |
| 13:36.59 | JustASlacker | the dir typo3temp/Cache was owned by root, messing up their deployment |
| 13:37.22 | JustASlacker | I try to find out what could have happened |
| 13:37.58 | Rovanion | Whatever creates the cache ran as root for a while? |
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| 13:38.19 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: A normal user can not create files owned by root. So either the surrounding daemons run as root and messed something up (likely), or someone 0wned your machine (rather unlikely). |
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| 13:40.10 | JustASlacker | petn-randall: daemons all run as that user. there is on root crontab typo3_src/typo3/cli_dispatch.phpsh but I doubt thats responsible |
| 13:40.17 | JustASlacker | I now it can't |
| 13:40.19 | JustASlacker | but it did |
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| 13:42.15 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: How do you know it can't? It's running as root. |
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| 13:43.38 | JustASlacker | I dont know, I just doubt it |
| 13:44.08 | peenoise5 | how do you keep the system updated with security patches? Should you run a daily apt-get or something? Doesn't that mean that you're vulnerable inbetween your execution of that? |
| 13:44.22 | Rovanion | peenoise5: Unattended upgrades. |
| 13:44.39 | peenoise5 | Rovanion: uppgrades or updates? |
| 13:45.06 | petn-randall | !unattended-upgrades |
| 13:45.06 | dpkg | methinks unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 13:45.12 | petn-randall | peenoise5: ^^^ |
| 13:45.15 | Rovanion | peenoise5: In apt-lingo an upgrade is to update the system packages: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 13:45.25 | Upoufou | so you think is gnomeor ? |
| 13:45.29 | Rovanion | While update is just to update the package list. |
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| 13:46.27 | Upoufou | (why i have choose gnome -_-) |
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| 14:21.16 | peenoise5 | how do I tell what syslog software is installed? |
| 14:22.16 | petn-randall | peenoise5: It's likely rsyslog. "dpkg -l rsyslog" |
| 14:23.08 | peenoise5 | hmm, can't just see if it's running in ps? |
| 14:23.19 | jolt | peenoise5: ps aux|grep syslog |
| 14:23.21 | jolt | Perhaps |
| 14:23.31 | JustASlacker | pgrep rsyslog -a |
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| 14:36.08 | peenoise5 | why is zsh showing that I'm logged in as "user" while running whoami in it shows root? |
| 14:36.26 | jelly | peenoise5: where does zsh show "user"? |
| 14:37.30 | RoyK | probably set PS1 correctly or whatever it's called in zsh land |
| 14:37.54 | jelly | (it's still PS1) |
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| 14:38.12 | jelly | but let's hear it from peenoise5 |
| 14:38.31 | peenoise5 | [user@dir]$ whoami --> root |
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| 14:39.50 | jelly | peenoise5: can you show the actual prompt, and output of "echo $PS1", and output of "type whoami" |
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| 14:40.52 | jelly | peenoise5: which debian release is this? |
| 14:41.06 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:41.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:41.27 | peenoise5 | zsh is owned by root and has suid |
| 14:41.44 | petn-randall | frowns. |
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| 14:41.53 | petn-randall | I doubt that it comes shipped like that by Debian. |
| 14:42.01 | peenoise5 | :) |
| 14:42.20 | jolt | :) |
| 14:42.22 | peenoise5 | seems like it's printing out the "real user" or whatever it's called but is running as "effective user" |
| 14:42.45 | JustASlacker | heh |
| 14:42.50 | JustASlacker | zsh setuid root would be fun |
| 14:42.53 | jelly | peenoise5: why are you asking about issues you've caused yourself? |
| 14:43.26 | peenoise5 | jelly: because I could have been an evil hacker that I want to learn to mitigate partly by learning what's going on? |
| 14:43.50 | peenoise5 | (jelly is a jellyfish) |
| 14:43.53 | jelly | peenoise5: maybe state your unusual setup in advance, then |
| 14:43.54 | petn-randall | peenoise5: That makes zero sense. |
| 14:44.07 | peenoise5 | I should have had, sorry :p |
| 14:44.39 | jelly | an evil hacker would not have left a suid shell for _you_ to use |
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| 14:44.59 | peenoise5 | what if it's a nice evil hacker |
| 14:45.10 | jelly | what if it's not a debian-related question |
| 14:45.35 | peenoise5 | then shit hits the fan and there will be shit spread out to everywhere |
| 14:45.50 | peenoise5 | everyone will be covered in shit then :P |
| 14:45.50 | petn-randall | peenoise5: Are you sure you're not using Kali or Parrot? |
| 14:46.01 | Upoufou | im only have to use gnome on debian strecht ? |
| 14:46.01 | peenoise5 | petn-randall: no, why do you think that? |
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| 14:46.12 | Upoufou | because this bug with network manager is very troubling |
| 14:46.39 | JustASlacker | using gnome is not a bug |
| 14:46.49 | Upoufou | thnk you |
| 14:46.54 | petn-randall | peenoise5: Because you seem to have the same "expertise" those users that stumble into this channel have. |
| 14:47.16 | peenoise5 | petn-randall: what do you mean? |
| 14:47.31 | peenoise5 | "expertise" |
| 14:49.42 | jelly | peenoise5: details of unix permissions and process management are really more a question for a general unix or linux support venue, none of this seems specific to a debian environment |
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| 14:50.27 | peenoise5 | true |
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| 15:13.27 | fred_tv | HI, is it still possible to install vmware server (EOL) on latest Debian distro/kernels ?? |
| 15:15.44 | petn-randall | fred_tv: You'd have to ask people producing vmware server, we have no control or idea about it. |
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| 15:22.40 | brw | fred_tv: you want to start with a debian kernel, and then put VMware server on top of that? |
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| 15:22.46 | brw | like the old GSX? |
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| 15:25.11 | fred_tv | I had it running on win2003server , dismantled , I want to run the linux version but it was discontinued at Sarge or Lenny times..... next many talk about new kernel issues |
| 15:25.21 | fred_tv | same with debian versions |
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| 15:34.43 | brw | Can you export your VMs and just migrate to a new vSphere instance? |
| 15:34.49 | brw | That's how I run it. |
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| 15:36.48 | fred_tv | I'm completely unexperienced in vmware products, except vmware server i have installed once and no more dealt to....:-(( |
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| 15:39.57 | brw | Yeah, you probably aren't going to want to try to re-do it that way. Apologies. Best bet is probably to find a VMWare focused channel here and have them send over some guides on setting up vSphere. |
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| 15:42.43 | jelly | fred_tv: it's highly unlikely that would work. esxi is free for non-commercial use but is a standalone os. |
| 15:44.20 | jelly | the only thing that might work on top of debian is vmware player (now "vmware workstation player" apparently) |
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| 15:46.48 | jelly | fred_tv: there's a #vmware channel on this network. Why do you want to run this instead of, say, a kvm-based vm host? |
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| 15:47.42 | fred_tv | you mean esxi is a proprietary OS running VM ? knowing it....it would be a nice solution.... |
| 15:48.34 | fred_tv | because is all new and unknown to me.... ;-)) |
| 15:48.56 | fred_tv | I'll ask to #vmware guys |
| 15:49.06 | fred_tv | thank you all |
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| 15:55.04 | liceoprova | ciao a tutti |
| 15:55.25 | liceoprova | !list |
| 15:55.25 | dpkg | liceoprova: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 15:58.27 | tim_ | hey gyus, I've got a Lenovo Thinkpad T520 with Debian 9 Stretch and I'm wondering about wireless network |
| 15:58.54 | tim_ | The netinstall told me I had t install a non-free driver but I didn't an wireless works quite good |
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| 15:59.20 | tim_ | I don't understand 1 how it is possible 2 if it's good 3 if it will cause my any problem not installing the infamous non-free driver |
| 15:59.22 | brw | If you are working with stock stuff, I wouldn't change it |
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| 16:06.40 | tim_ | please have a look here https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7c790e99/ (search for "rtlwifi") quite strange stuff it says it's using a file contained in realtek-wifi non-free package which I never installed and it also says fail to load, but wifi works I'm connected now to a wpa2-psk network |
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| 16:11.09 | jelly | tim_: [ 35.538037] rtl8192ce 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin failed with error -2 <-- this? |
| 16:11.29 | tim_ | jelly ya but I'm using internet and wireless anyway |
| 16:11.35 | petn-randall | tim_: In most cases it's sensible to install the non-free firmware. You're already running an older, more buggy, version of that firmware that's burned onto the chip, anyway. |
| 16:12.27 | jelly | tim_: on the other hand, if everything works, you might as well ignore the message |
| 16:12.28 | tim_ | petn-randall: what do you mean? How am I using an older version of firmware burned onto the chip? |
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| 16:13.19 | tim_ | petn-randall If I install Windows 7 ethernet and wireless doesn't work unless I install a proper driver(it doesn't use any firmware burned onto the chip, though I understand it's different on Windows) |
| 16:13.54 | tim_ | dpkg: rtl8192 |
| 16:13.54 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n/802.11ac PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>, <rtl8723be>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <r8723au>, <rtl8188eu>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <rtl8723bs>. https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 16:14.35 | tim_ | dpkg: rtl8192ce (I suppose) |
| 16:14.35 | dpkg | tim_: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:14.40 | tim_ | dpkg: rtl8192ce |
| 16:14.40 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 16:14.42 | petn-randall | tim_: The *driver* is free software and runs on your CPU. The *firmware* is non-free and runs on your wifi chip. |
| 16:15.14 | tim_ | petn-randall pro and cons of running on cpu or on wifi chip? |
| 16:15.25 | tim_ | considering I'm for free software |
| 16:15.42 | Rene | Hi everyone! I have a problem with ain init-script i'm trying to create. For some reason if i use start-stop-daemon —start XXX, and the app crashes, i can't start it again with the same start-stop-daemon —start XXX. I have to first run start-stop-daemon —stop before i can re-start the app again.. Til now i have not yet figured out how to fix this problem :-( |
| 16:15.58 | petn-randall | tim_: This isn't two options, this is the current state, no matter if you load newer firmware or not. |
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| 16:17.57 | jelly | tim_: radio chip on the wifi card always runs its own code. If you're lucky, the card has burned-in copy of the code available right away. Usually you're not lucky and the code has to be loaded after each reboot. |
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| 16:19.49 | tim_ | jelly I still don't understand anything. Do I need the firmware? I'm connected to wi-fi, it doesn't seem I need this firmware so much Can you or someone else explain me why do I need this firmware for please? |
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| 16:19.57 | jelly | tim_: the symptoms you have described sound as if the card you use has a copy of the code on it right away, so it _can_ work even when the (presumably newer) uploadable firmware code is not available |
| 16:20.12 | jelly | tim_: if everything works, you don't need it. |
| 16:20.43 | tim_ | jelly it's like a special computer, I mean each t520 it's like that or is only mine and some other t520s but not each one |
| 16:20.46 | jelly | tim_: however, the reason everything works is usually that the card has a version of firmware already inside it. |
| 16:21.39 | tim_ | jelly any advtange towards installing the firmware from non-free deb repository? Also any disavantage not installing firmware from non-free deb repository? |
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| 16:21.56 | tim_ | I'm trying to decide the best choice, understanding ifrst |
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| 16:22.12 | jelly | tim_: the firmware in non-free may be newer than the one inside your card, possibly with bugs fixed |
| 16:22.16 | tim_ | btw I'm already liking Debian support |
| 16:22.55 | tim_ | jelly can I've any problem with other packages or anything not regarding wifi and internet using this old burned on chip code? |
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| 16:23.47 | tim_ | jelly any more con? or any more pro? |
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| 16:24.14 | jelly | tim_: not really |
| 16:24.51 | tim_ | jelly so as a matter of logic, there's no reason at all to install the firmware. Am I missing something? |
| 16:25.29 | jelly | maybe you're missing better quality of wifi in some situations, who knows |
| 16:25.37 | jelly | maybe not |
| 16:25.52 | tim_ | jelly well I've got a network adapter with open source driver also |
| 16:26.26 | jelly | you could try running as-is for a month, then install firmware and run for a month like that, and see if there's any difference |
| 16:26.26 | tim_ | jelly but can I install the non free driver, remove the non-free repository and continue to use my system without further problems with packages(or dependencies) on updates and upgrades? |
| 16:26.44 | jelly | tim_: there's no benefit in doing that. |
| 16:27.00 | tim_ | jelly I wouldn't want any more non-free stuff |
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| 16:27.18 | jelly | tim_: non-free stuff won't get automatically installed. |
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| 16:27.50 | tim_ | jelly would I be able to recognize non-free stuff? Like on a apt-get search result |
| 16:27.50 | jelly | but if there happen to be any patches for the package you already installed, why not use them |
| 16:27.56 | tim_ | jelly apt I mean |
| 16:28.00 | RedSoxFan07 | tim_: And you can just comment out the non-free repository in your sources.list file. Just uncomment it when you need or want to install non-free software from it. |
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| 16:28.42 | jelly | tim_: apt-cache show packagename and apt-cache policy packagename shows where a package comes from. |
| 16:28.55 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: I don't know what that would accomplish, other than not being able to update non-free software. |
| 16:29.17 | tim_ | ok thanks anyone |
| 16:29.18 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: as I said, if they want to use newer firmware, it's silly to just get it once and then disable the repo and never get updates |
| 16:29.20 | n4dir | same though here. |
| 16:29.28 | tim_ | but still I miss one point |
| 16:29.46 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: if they want that, that might as well never install it, and keep using the embedded copy |
| 16:30.00 | tim_ | Does my current situation imply I'm using a non-free code? How's possible since I've got not even one contrib/non-free package? |
| 16:30.02 | jelly | ,file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 16:30.06 | judd | Search for rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 16:30.23 | tim_ | I know firmware-realtek package |
| 16:30.24 | RedSoxFan07 | petn-randall: jelly: I was merely trying to find a solution which would work for tim_ beacause he doens't want to install non-free software accidentaly. |
| 16:30.29 | babilen | tim_: Your processor uses non-free microcode most likely and other hardware probably too |
| 16:30.32 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 16:30.32 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 16:30.48 | jelly | tim_: you have shit-tons on non-free code inside your CPU, your GPU, your ethernet card, your wifi card, your motherboard... |
| 16:30.50 | tim_ | RedSoxFan07 thak you |
| 16:31.02 | RedSoxFan07 | tim_ you're welcome. |
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| 16:31.18 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: exactly! It's pure folly to try to avoid non-free firmware and drivers. |
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| 16:31.40 | n4dir | i pretty much never installed non-free packages per incident. Besides graphic and wireless drivers i wouldn't know any (i seem to remember virtualbox has needed contrib and/or non-free) |
| 16:31.41 | RedSoxFan07 | The only other option is to use computers from 2008 and before, which is a short-term solution. |
| 16:32.03 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: Try vrms |
| 16:32.04 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: those still have microcode. |
| 16:32.14 | n4dir | why should i try it? |
| 16:32.19 | tim_ | pardon jelly but what's this code like(sorry I'm not expert so much), if it's like a code for a software shouldn't be people able to read it? I thought chip were mere electrical device with no any code on it (also what we mean with code, I guess we're not talking of things like C or python or even assemply) |
| 16:32.48 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Okay. Regardless, it's ridiculous to try to avoid non-free microcode, firmware, and drivers. That's the only point I was trying to make. |
| 16:32.52 | jelly | tim_: chips were like that until 1980-1990s or so. |
| 16:32.57 | teclo- | hm, I love Debian GNU/Linux but... if the goal is to have all non-free stuff out, I think there's a distro that does that... gNewSense or something, it's said to be the distro used by Richard Stallman |
| 16:33.23 | petn-randall | teclo-: Debian also does that, it keep non-free software strictly in a separate repo. |
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| 16:33.37 | jelly | teclo-: debian only has DFSG compliant software by default. |
| 16:33.39 | n4dir | there are a few fully free distros. I for one am fine with simply using debian main. |
| 16:33.39 | teclo- | petn-randall: ah, thank you, sorry... |
| 16:33.42 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: It just shows you the proprietary software on your system and why free software folks think it's proprietary or otherwise objectionable. |
| 16:33.46 | tim_ | jelly also I've got this No non-free or contrib packages installed on db! rms would be proud. |
| 16:33.53 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: I mean that's what vrms is for. |
| 16:34.08 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: vrms is also an acronym why stands for Virtual Richard Stallman. |
| 16:34.10 | jelly | teclo-: it's just definitions of "free" are slightly different for debian and for GNU (and its founder RMS) |
| 16:34.21 | n4dir | I know what it does. My point was that usually it doesn't happen that often that someone installs non-fee software without really wanting it |
| 16:34.27 | babilen | tim_: You might want to read up on microcode and firmware. Your BIOS is probably also not open source and various other bits. It's rather hard to get away from "binary blobs" on modern hardware, unless you buy specific hardware such as https://puri.sm/ |
| 16:34.46 | tim_ | I would never go ot a non Debian stable distro, please don't point them out I already had too bad experiences I don't want again to install again entire distros |
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| 16:35.12 | babilen | tim_: If you use that already, you might as well use the latest version (which you also get by upgrading your mainboards firmware for example) |
| 16:36.07 | RedSoxFan07 | teclo-: Also, I'm pretty sure Stallman uses Trisquel. In fact, FSF has membership cards that have Trisquel loaded on them. And last I new, Technoethical's laptops run Trisquel. |
| 16:36.14 | RedSoxFan07 | *knew |
| 16:36.34 | tim_ | afaik just a minute |
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| 16:38.03 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: vrms is buggy anyway, it uses the DFSG definition instead of GNU's :> |
| 16:38.30 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: True. It was co-created by Bdale Garbee, who works on Debian. |
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| 16:39.27 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: But that's good enough for me. I grew up with proprietary software, so I don't find it as objectionable as stallman. I also realize that it's impossible to entirely avoid "non-free" software. Well, if you want to be able to work with people and have 100% working hardware. |
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| 16:42.18 | tim_ | I'm here again sorry I've got little headache |
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| 16:44.39 | gerep | I am using XFCE and the whisker menu. I have installed Postman and added a soft link to /usr/bin/Postman and it shows in the whisker menu when I type Postman but the icon is the default cog and it is called "Run Postman", how can I change it? |
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| 16:47.55 | tim_ | jelly I don't understand what this microcode looks like, what language is it? How is it written, I mean is it like a file that is run or what is it exactly and where is it? Also why can it be possible to read it(if it's code)? Please explain |
| 16:48.17 | tim_ | or somebody else please make me understand I'd really like |
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| 16:49.21 | RedSoxFan07 | tim_: It don't know for sure, but it very well may be assembly. Or probably C or C++. I know C and C++ can be pretty low-level if a programmer so desires. |
| 16:49.23 | petn-randall | tim_: Is is usually written in C or assembly, and compiled to machine code for that chip. |
| 16:49.37 | petn-randall | *It |
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| 16:53.56 | jelly | tim_: an example: the ethernet card in your computer is actually a tiny computer on its own. It has code to make it talk to your system over PCI, and talk to ethernet over a separate GMII or MII interface. It has firmware inside, and you can't (easily) look at what it's doing with it. |
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| 16:54.54 | jelly | tim_: sometimes, though, you can get firmware updates from the hardware vendor that fix bugs in that code inside. |
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| 16:57.00 | jelly | eg. if you had a Lenovo Thinkpad T520, Lenovo might have released firmware updates that fix bugs inside the ethernet card. |
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| 16:59.16 | tim_ | ok so it's like a compiled file, no code anymore available just executable something. It's like if a write code, compile and distribute only executable stuff. Have I got it? petn-randall RedSoxFan07 jelly |
| 16:59.55 | tim_ | jelly by the way, the could also release crap with updates, nobody can know if something works, I keep it I learned it hard way KISS forever |
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| 17:01.29 | blawiz | how do you troubleshoot/get info about the xorg system? eg what video driver is used? |
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| 17:03.55 | jelly | tim_: a laptop from 2011 most definitely has a good number of firmware blobs inside it |
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| 17:05.15 | jelly | tim_: you're already trusting the same vendor with current firmware. Whether you want to keep trusting them or decide not to for some reason is your choice. |
| 17:06.18 | jhutchin1_wk | Firmware does things like set the WiFi radio frequencies and power levels to comply with the local jurisdiction's laws - that's why they're often reluctant to make it open. |
| 17:06.28 | jelly | tim_: for me, there's very little reason to trust an embedded copy in a wifi card more, or less, than an updated firmware from same vendor that comes next to updated free drivers. |
| 17:08.43 | jelly | tim_: GNU people say there's a difference between an embedded copy of firmware and one that's uploaded after boot; I, personally, think that opinion is nonsense. |
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| 17:08.52 | petn-randall | tim_: That's just as much "KISS" as not updating your OS would be. |
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| 17:10.10 | jelly | tim_: so the choice to keep using the embedded firmware, or download the newer stuff from non-free, is basically more a political than a technical one |
| 17:11.46 | jelly | (and yes, there HAVE been instances when a newer firmware or driver intentionally made things worse for the customer. HP has done this twice now for their printers.) |
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| 17:22.37 | tim_ | I understand |
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| 17:23.02 | tim_ | jelly sorry just one question, so is this code just something executable(like .exe for Windows)? |
| 17:23.21 | jhutchin1_wk | tim_: No, it's more like a .dll |
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| 17:24.31 | tim_ | ok I understand now, thanks anybody for all really |
| 17:24.39 | jelly | tim_: if you're asking is it compiled machine code, yes |
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| 17:25.30 | jelly | now back to #debian |
| 17:25.35 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:25.35 | dpkg | <jm_> twb: it's microsoft software <twb> Ha! <twb> AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly. |
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| 17:27.45 | tim_ | jelly I just read the article on Wikipedia on term machine code that you pointed out, thank you |
| 17:28.04 | tim_ | Does anybody know why Virtualbox is contrib in Debian? What is the non-free stuff it rely on? |
| 17:28.16 | tim_ | dpkg: virtualbox |
| 17:28.16 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 17:29.56 | teraflops | "almost free" sounds a bit weird |
| 17:30.13 | tim_ | dpkg: yay |
| 17:30.13 | dpkg | well, yay is #del# |
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| 17:32.33 | tim_ | I just read on wikipedia about Virtualbox, found is the extension pack. I just wonder has it got any relantion with Guest Additions? |
| 17:32.52 | pztrick | hey. i vaguely remember the systemd-timesyncd will use the systemd compile date timestamp as a 'fallback' if a device does not have a real-time clock seeded. does anyone remember where I can look up this value from file system? |
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| 17:38.09 | teraflops | pztrick: are you sure? |
| 17:39.03 | tim_ | I think is only extension pack that's non free and it's this the only reason why Virtualbox is on contrib. Can anyone confirm that? |
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| 17:41.01 | pztrick | source seems to say as much (if im understanding correctly): https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/timesync/timesyncd.c#L35 |
| 17:41.31 | pztrick | trying to get from file system image and not running system |
| 17:41.37 | teraflops | pztrick: hmm, maybe /var/lib/systemd/timesync/clock |
| 17:42.10 | teraflops | pztrick: from https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-timesyncd.service.html |
| 17:42.11 | pztrick | yea tried that in shell and it was missing. untarring image now |
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| 17:43.53 | teraflops | pztrick: what about journalctl -u systemd-timesyncd ? (last entry) |
| 17:44.47 | teraflops | no idea whether it persists between reboots with stock debian |
| 17:45.21 | teraflops | nah no date there |
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| 18:04.17 | lroe | is there a *debian* way to update all of my sources.list files to the new release? |
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| 18:04.24 | gladioacuto | hi there |
| 18:04.44 | gladioacuto | can't find blueman applet in stretch anymore |
| 18:04.50 | gladioacuto | any suggestion? |
| 18:05.43 | jelly | lroe: you mean, during the release upgrade process, like going from debian 8 to debian 9? Just use an editor. |
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| 18:06.08 | GNU\colossus | gladioacuto, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/blueman |
| 18:06.13 | lroe | jelly, yea, but when you have 6 or 7 list files, it gets tedious, and I forgot one to boot |
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| 18:06.46 | jelly | lroe: you could script it if you wanted to |
| 18:07.27 | teraflops | gladioacuto: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/blueman/filelist |
| 18:07.32 | lroe | jelly, yea, before I did that I've been pleasantly surprised in the past by great little tools debian provides |
| 18:07.41 | n4dir | if you use vim, you would replace all occurences in one file, open the next file, vim will remember the command, etc. |
| 18:07.50 | lroe | think like the dh-make stuff |
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| 18:08.26 | n4dir | you sure you need that much sources.list files? |
| 18:08.41 | RedSoxFan07 | s/wheezy/stretch |
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| 18:08.57 | lroe | n4dir, it's annoying but projects like to use their own repos rather than debians |
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| 18:09.21 | lroe | so I have each one in their one .list file in the sources.list.d |
| 18:09.25 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: NO |
| 18:09.33 | n4dir | i see. |
| 18:09.43 | n4dir | :%s/wheezy/stretch/g |
| 18:09.53 | jelly | if they have wheezy in place they should NOT go to stretch! |
| 18:09.54 | lroe | yes, there are many ways to skin that cat |
| 18:09.55 | n4dir | i think that is the command for vim (i am rather bad). |
| 18:10.02 | n4dir | oh, jesus. |
| 18:10.04 | jelly | bad example! |
| 18:10.15 | petn-randall | .lart RedSoxFan07 |
| 18:10.41 | jelly | lroe: it's not hard to make a oneliner, have at ye (this one is a no-op): find /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d} -type f | xargs grep -l jessie |xargs echo sed -i.old 's/jessie/stretch/g' |
| 18:10.51 | lroe | jelly, I agree |
| 18:10.55 | lroe | just thought I'd ask |
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| 18:11.38 | jelly | lroe: if it lists all the files you want to fix, remove that "echo" word to make it actually do something |
| 18:12.15 | jelly | looks around for greycat |
| 18:12.18 | n4dir | mywiki.wooledge.org would recommend against usage of xargs, but do it all in a find "code block" |
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| 18:12.25 | teraflops | h |
| 18:12.29 | teraflops | eh^ |
| 18:13.05 | usam | How do I get a list of all manually installed packages without dependencies and without those that were installed along with OS installation? |
| 18:13.13 | jelly | n4dir: on the other hand, it is highly unlikely there are going to be nasty filenames under /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d} |
| 18:13.40 | n4dir | yeah, i wouldn't be able to tell why exactly or such, the info got stuck, but i can't say more |
| 18:13.43 | jelly | usam: you can't easily do the "without" part. |
| 18:14.01 | jelly | !aptitude clone |
| 18:14.01 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 18:14.34 | jelly | usam: the first command ^^ will manage the manually installed part |
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| 18:16.34 | usam | jelly: there are packages in the list that were installed along with OS installation, such as bash |
| 18:16.39 | jelly | yep. |
| 18:17.09 | usam | that's not nice... |
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| 18:17.26 | usam | the list is too big to handle |
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| 18:18.32 | jelly | it will list all the stuff that initial debootstrap part of the installer did. You could do a debootstrap of stretch, base system, get a list of installed packages from that chroot, and subtract those |
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| 18:18.38 | donald | a noob question where do I click in filezilla to connect to a LOCAL server made in the computer wheref ilezilla is installed? I may misanderstand what I do. If I do or think something wrong feel free to tell me that. |
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| 18:19.25 | jelly | donald: probably just connect to localhost? |
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| 18:21.11 | jelly | donald: filezilla is a client for many different file serving protocols. Which server protocol are you trying to connect to? sftp(ssh)? something else? |
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| 18:53.04 | disi | are there any pgp implementations other that gpg? |
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| 18:53.35 | RedSoxFan07 | disi: Probably. |
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| 18:57.30 | Nitrogen | Greetings! I have an TreeView exportet to a .txt file like this: https://pastebin.com/raw/gtu404rG How can I import this as bookmarks into a PDF? |
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| 18:57.54 | donald | jelly: no. use localhost does not work. maybe my local server is not corectly set |
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| 18:58.07 | donald | so jelly how to check if my server is set? |
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| 19:05.48 | jhutchins_wk | donald: What do you actually want to do? |
| 19:07.21 | jhutchins_wk | donald: There is no file sharing protocol enabled by default, you have to set something up. |
| 19:08.42 | donald | jhutchins_wk: I want to protect my folder with .htaccess and htpasswd with a password |
| 19:09.11 | donald | if you speak french https://openclassrooms.com/courses/concevez-votre-site-web-avec-php-et-mysql/proteger-un-dossier-avec-un-htaccess I want to do the tutorial on the last chapter |
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| 19:09.19 | jhutchins_wk | donald: That would imply that you have set up a web server and served that directory. |
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| 19:10.12 | donald | I think I have not yet but I have already apache and mysql installed |
| 19:10.54 | jhutchins_wk | donald: If it's on a local host, just use a file browser of the CLI to copy the file, or create it in the desired location with an editor. |
| 19:11.36 | jhutchins_wk | browser OR cli. |
| 19:12.21 | donald | ok but if I do so, how to protect a folder with a password to ask to everybody who want to reach a file? |
| 19:12.41 | donald | jhutchins_wk like in the tutorial |
| 19:12.55 | donald | maybe there is another way than the one of the tutorial |
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| 19:15.03 | dD_ | My laptop is shutting off randomly (as if I just pulled the battery). How can I check what it is? Can't find any relevant information in syslog |
| 19:16.13 | donald | jhutchins_wk do I need to use something different than filezilla? |
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| 19:23.56 | cold_ | Why is there no npm package in Buster? |
| 19:24.00 | cold_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=npm |
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| 19:24.21 | jhutchins_wk | donald: Unfortunately my french is confined to wine labels. |
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| 19:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | donald: The first defense is don't share the directory. |
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| 19:26.00 | jhutchins_wk | donald: If you have some reason for sharing it, and have set up a server, then you simply create an .htaccess file that requires at least basic auth, and generate an .htpasswd file. Those usually go in that directory. Exactly what they look like depends on how you are sharing the folder. |
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| 19:26.38 | jhutchins_wk | donald: So tell us what you've done so far, and look up something like "apache basic auth" on google. |
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| 19:27.46 | donald | jhutchins_wk: donald: If you have some reason for sharing it, and have set up a server, then you simply create an .htaccess file that requires at least basic auth, and generate an .htpasswd file. Those usually go in that directory. Exactly what they look like depends on how you are sharing the folder. => yes it is exactly what I want to do. I made a folder admin, put .htaccess, .htpassword and edit these corectly. sadly not any file is encrypted in th |
| 19:28.32 | somiaj | cold_: check the tracker. You shoul dhave a link from tha tpage that takes you to the package tracker for the package. It will tell you why it was either removed from buster or has not migrated. |
| 19:29.00 | jhutchins_wk | .htaccess is a way to set general Apache configuration items for a specific directory when you don't have access to the master apache config file. |
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| 19:29.21 | jhutchins_wk | donald: What you have discussed so far does not have anything to do with encryption. |
| 19:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | donald: You have to have Allow Override set for the folder you are working with for .htaccess to work. |
| 19:30.25 | donald | (20:29:00) jhutchins_wk: .htaccess is a way to set general Apache configuration items for a specific directory when you don't have access to the master apache config file. => AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH OKAY! |
| 19:30.51 | donald | so my htaccess or htpassw must be misconfigured |
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| 19:31.03 | donald | I did not get apache encrypt for us |
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| 19:31.43 | jelly | donald: apache won't encrypt anything, it will just restrict access to clients that provide correct user+password |
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| 19:31.55 | jelly | even when you get it right |
| 19:32.31 | donald | jelly right |
| 19:32.32 | donald | :) |
| 19:32.48 | donald | jelly and jhutchins_wk I will search myselfnow |
| 19:33.06 | donald | I used to think I need filezila to encrypt |
| 19:33.46 | jhutchins_wk | donald: No, that's not what you need to do. |
| 19:34.08 | jhutchins_wk | donald: If you want to encrypt traffic over the web, you use SSL/https. |
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| 19:36.50 | donald | jhutchins_wk: donald: If you want to encrypt traffic over the web, you use SSL/https. => I do not want to encrypt traffic with ssl I just want to protect admin access account by a password |
| 19:37.33 | jelly | donald: this only encrypts the traffic in flight, between a web host and a web client (like filezilla or a web browser). The files on the server are still stored unencrypted. |
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| 19:49.53 | fearnothing | anyone in here had much experience with syslog-ng |
| 19:50.40 | donald | (20:37:33) jelly: donald: this only encrypts the traffic in flight, between a web host and a web client (like filezilla or a web browser). The files on the server are still stored unencrypted. => what is "this" ? |
| 19:50.43 | fearnothing | I'm trying to forward a couple of text file logs but syslog-ng is behaving weirdly and I can't figure out how to fix it |
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| 19:51.26 | fearnothing | specifically, it is assuming that the first value in the log line is the program name, and formats the syslog message accordingly |
| 19:51.32 | jhutchins_wk | donald: Please stop quoting the text you're replying to. It's still displayed in the channel. It's sufficient to begin your reply with the nic of the person you're talking to. |
| 19:51.55 | jhutchins_wk | donald: ssl encrypts traffic. |
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| 19:52.36 | jhutchins_wk | donald: You can also store files as enrypted archives. |
| 19:53.06 | donald | I do not want to encrypt traffic with ssl |
| 19:53.22 | fearnothing | what is it you actually need to do? |
| 19:53.45 | donald | I just want to get an admin folder with a page where only the admin can connect online with a password |
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| 19:54.22 | greycat | Missing some context. Are you talking about "webmin" or some other kind of control-panel thing? |
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| 19:56.13 | donald | jhutchins_wk so are you sure I can do what I want to do only by configuring .htaccess and .htpasswd? |
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| 19:56.32 | greycat | So, a web server, and specifically Apache. |
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| 19:57.39 | jhutchins_wk | donald: Only if the webserver is configured to allow .htaccess. |
| 19:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | donald: If it is, then yes, that's how you do it. |
| 19:58.19 | mspo | you don't need to use .htaccess |
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| 19:58.34 | mspo | you can put those authentication directives directly in a <Directory> in the main config |
| 19:58.35 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 19:59.12 | tobiasBora | I'm connected to a live distro though ssh in order to try to help a friend of mine to fix her computer bugs. |
| 19:59.17 | jhutchins_wk | donald: https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PasswordBasicAuth |
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| 19:59.41 | greycat | If you go down this road (basic HTTP auth), you need to understand that if your web site is *NOT* using https, then your username and password are going to be sent in the clear from the browser to the web server. |
| 19:59.42 | donald | thank you |
| 19:59.53 | tobiasBora | Is it possible to simulate a start of the system (which is on /dev/sda5, and the /home is on /dev/sda7) to see if my modifications make it work? |
| 20:00.00 | donald | now I need to search myself |
| 20:00.15 | fearnothing | greycat: don't think he's listening =/ |
| 20:00.15 | jhutchins_wk | donald: The auth module also needs to be loaded in the webserver. |
| 20:00.37 | jhutchins_wk | donald: There is a lot of good information (in English) if you search "apache basic auth". |
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| 20:00.48 | greycat | fearnothing: It has to be said. If they don't listen, we can't make them. |
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| 20:01.25 | verblendet | hi guys, i ask that here too: how can i get rid of pulseaudio and use jack and good old alsa instead? or at least tell pulseaudio to shut up give all control to jack? or maybe alsa again? |
| 20:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: You would have to set up virtualization, then use those drives as the drives for a VM. |
| 20:01.58 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: using qemu ? |
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| 20:02.19 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: Yes, you can still do that for the most part, but some programs are starting to require pulse. |
| 20:02.39 | fearnothing | aha, I found part of my answer |
| 20:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: I don't know quemu, you could do it with VirtualBox. |
| 20:02.43 | fearnothing | I need flags(no-parse) |
| 20:02.50 | verblendet | programs that use pulse hardcoded i would call a bug :)) |
| 20:02.56 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: I don't have physical access |
| 20:03.11 | verblendet | jhutchins, can you point me to a howto maybe? |
| 20:04.09 | verblendet | or at least how i can use pulse as a backend (not preferred) |
| 20:04.10 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: I think I used a generalized jack howto. I would just uninstall PA, but that might have dependency issues in stretch. |
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| 20:04.38 | verblendet | jhutchins, ok, i will find out and then blame those maintainers that have hardcoded pulse :)) |
| 20:04.49 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: When I did it a couple of releases ago, you had to go directly from jack to alsa, without pulse. |
| 20:05.12 | ntz3615 | tobiasBora: you could use "qemu -snapshot -hda /dev/sda". this will boot from /dev/sda in qemu without making changes to /dev/sda and its partitions |
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| 20:05.33 | verblendet | jhutchins_wk, yes, the good old times before pulse and systemd, i had no problems |
| 20:06.02 | ntz3615 | tobiasBora: however it boots from /dev/sda using qemu's own bios. so if the problem is related to the machines bios, you cannot debug it that way. |
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| 20:06.10 | verblendet | ( i really cant understand why pulse and systemd stuiff is used in debian, but ok, no political discussion.... but its a pure pita) just to say |
| 20:07.44 | mspo | debian docker isn't using systemd |
| 20:07.52 | fearnothing | SUCCESS |
| 20:08.00 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: systemd is pretty much inevetable progress; pulse is mostly to add new capabilities like shared access to audio, per-program audio settings, and playback on a remote device. Not many people actually need those, and some are under development in alsa already, but there ya go, it's Linux. Wheels re-invented every day. |
| 20:08.07 | fearnothing | I needed program_override and flags(no-parse) |
| 20:08.16 | fearnothing | then it works, yay |
| 20:08.34 | jhutchins_wk | fearnothing: Got a blog? Post it! |
| 20:08.58 | fearnothing | oh it's all there in the documentation... but sure |
| 20:09.33 | verblendet | jhutchins_wk, if is stable, and well documented, i would say ok here, but pulse and systemd had so many glitches and were unstable in the forst releases... so i cannot believe it is used in the first place, anyway.... |
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| 20:11.30 | verblendet | and yes, it is still linux, so the use should have the choice, and not beeing dictated how to use the machine... then we could also use a mac or windows again ;-) |
| 20:11.55 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: You do have a choice, but we're veering off topic here. |
| 20:13.09 | verblendet | no, i dont have a choice when debioan uses pulse by default and there is no way to get jackd working as with alsa |
| 20:13.28 | ghormoon | hi, is there some variable for cups server address (like you can set DISPLAY for X or PULSE_SERVER for PA)? |
| 20:13.31 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: As I said, disable or remove it. |
| 20:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: What address do you want to change? The port you print to? |
| 20:14.20 | tobiasBora | ntz3615: ok thanks |
| 20:14.28 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: It's pretty configurable, but mostly you want to stick with the standards. |
| 20:14.36 | verblendet | is there a way to find out what programs uses pulse by default/hardcoded and wont run after install jack? |
| 20:14.39 | ntz3615 | tobiasBora: you might want to add more qemu options like -m 512 and such |
| 20:14.53 | jhutchins_wk | verblendet: Look for things that fail. |
| 20:14.54 | ghormoon | jhutchins_wk: ip of a container that actually has cups server |
| 20:15.00 | jhutchins_wk | !pulseaudio |
| 20:15.00 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:15.12 | verblendet | jhutchins_wk, erm, i would like to know it beforehand |
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| 20:15.20 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: for now the problem is that I don't have graphical display, and ncurse is disabled |
| 20:15.37 | ntz3615 | tobiasBora: ouch |
| 20:15.58 | ghormoon | I have a container that has libreoffice, but I dn't want to install another cups server there, just to point it to the one running next to it :) |
| 20:16.16 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: You'll need someone on-site then. |
| 20:16.45 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: That's simpler. Have her reboot it without the live system, if it doesn't work boot back to live. |
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| 20:17.25 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: So you share the printer from the cups server, and configure the libre container to use the other as a remote share. |
| 20:17.35 | fastputty | hi guys, i will need some help to clean up a couple of package im not to sure.. i got a bunch of Depends: mono-runtime (= 5.4.0.201-0xamarin10+debian9b1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:17.36 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: Just like using a network printer. |
| 20:17.40 | fastputty | when trying to install mono-complete |
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| 20:17.54 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: the thing is that it's quite long to reconfigure the reverse ssh server, so I'd like to avoid to reboot too often |
| 20:18.21 | ghormoon | jhutchins_wk: can't I just make apps pick the emote cups server as own, similarly like it's possible with PA, X, .. ? |
| 20:18.41 | ghormoon | so I don't have to setup printers for each container |
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| 20:19.46 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: Very few applications can be set to use a remote printer directly. |
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| 20:20.18 | ghormoon | well, but if they use CUPS server, can thay just made be to connect to ip:631 instead of localhost:631? |
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| 20:21.07 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: Most programs no. That's what cups is for, talking to the printer. Applications talk to cups or lpr, cups talks to the printer. |
| 20:21.26 | ghormoon | but I want them to talk to cups, but not on localhost :) |
| 20:21.40 | ghormoon | I want to have one cups, not fifty |
| 20:21.41 | nobody44 | Hello. I run a small Proxmox host at home with about 15 Debian Stretch virtual machines. I noticed that after the upgrade to Debian Stretch on all but one virtual machines the idle CPU load on my Proxmox host rose from around 1% to 8%. |
| 20:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: You MIGHT be able to set a remote printer in Libre without cups, but probably not. |
| 20:22.05 | fastputty | Can someone help me out clean up some depedancie sproblems please, i am trying to install some packag and keep saying that Depends: mono-runtime (= 5.4.0.201-0xamarin10+debian9b1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:22.06 | ghormoon | but I want to use cups, not printer directly |
| 20:22.08 | nobody44 | is anyone else experiencing this kind of issue? Comparably high idle CPU load after the upgrade to debian stretch? |
| 20:22.14 | ghormoon | I just want rmeote cups, not remote printer :) |
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| 20:25.08 | MrGeneral | Messing around with PPTPD. I want to block all outbound connections from the PPTPD clients to the internet and allow a few IP's only. Is this possible? Like, drop 0.0.0.0/0, allow 255.200.10.2/32 ? |
| 20:25.31 | lupus | my Debian i7-4770K with 16GB total ram, is using 2.1GB ram and 449MB swap. I have set sysctl vm.swapiness=10, but i didn't really have an impact. The system is very slow to respond after idling for a long time with stuff like firefox open. (it's a media server/player i use with VNC) |
| 20:25.53 | greycat | !b30 |
| 20:25.57 | greycat | oops |
| 20:26.00 | lupus | i wonder if the lag is because of the swap |
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| 20:31.23 | jhutchins_wk | lupus: Does the amount of swap used change? Install sysstat and look at io. |
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| 20:33.09 | lupus | jhutchins_wk: i have installed it now, how should i use it? |
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| 20:36.41 | fastputty | lupus, have u check your cpu and your io? |
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| 20:39.18 | lupus | there is next to no I/O, my swap stays at 4577XX |
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| 20:40.29 | jhutchins_wk | lupus: Then swap's not the issue. |
| 20:40.53 | lupus | why is it swapping at all when i have 14GB free ram .. ? |
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| 20:42.13 | GNU\colossus | so set vm.swapiness=0 to _completely_ disable swap? |
| 20:42.24 | GNU\colossus | (and also swapoff the swap space you have set up right now) |
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| 20:42.58 | GNU\colossus | then you won't have to deal with paged our memory any more, and everything should be fine |
| 20:43.33 | jhutchins_wk | GNU\colossus: Except it's NOT swap. |
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| 20:44.28 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins_wk, I'm not denying that :) but not having any swap prevents any problems one _could_ have due to swapping occurring pretty well. |
| 20:45.19 | GNU\colossus | (and for typical desktop workloads, swap is completely unncessary with 16GB RAM, in my experience) |
| 20:45.45 | ghormoon | I found out at least how to make lp use the rmeote printer, though I think it will not take xlsx file, can I somehow dry-run lp to say page count? |
| 20:46.52 | lupus | just wanna say i found this script on stackeroverflow: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/tI7Q950kIejCnu3JZ0T8/ and after i moved all the swap back into memory my system is much more responsive again |
| 20:47.04 | fastputty | i have some dependencies issue with my debian, someone could help me to clean up ? i tried to install a package and ti keep saying depednacies issue! |
| 20:47.06 | greycat | You almost certainly want to use LibreOffice (or equivalent) to open the *.xlsx file and then print it. |
| 20:47.27 | greycat | Whatever printing even *means* for a spreadsheet. |
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| 20:54.30 | frazr | I have a sort of weird question, how do you reload a file ? |
| 20:54.41 | GNU\colossus | lupus, wow, that's gotta be the enterprise edition of `swapoff -a; swapon -a` |
| 20:54.50 | frazr | i don't want to write anything to it, i just want the kernel to notice a change in the file or something like that |
| 20:54.54 | GNU\colossus | frazr, that doesn't mean anything :) |
| 20:55.02 | frazr | having some odd issues with cron + docker + kubernetes |
| 20:55.12 | GNU\colossus | the kernel knows about changes to files via the virtual filesystem anyway |
| 20:55.15 | frazr | only way cron starts working is if i move the file or trigger it some way |
| 20:55.22 | GNU\colossus | it's the gatekeeper between the file and the associated data in it |
| 20:55.50 | GNU\colossus | or are we talking distributed file systems? |
| 20:56.03 | GNU\colossus | (NFS, CIFS, ...) |
| 20:56.08 | frazr | Nope |
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| 20:56.31 | lupus | GNU\colossus: haha yea it might be a little overkill, but i guess it's good that it checks if you will go OOM :) |
| 20:56.32 | frazr | Plain old docker image running xenial |
| 20:56.33 | GNU\colossus | what is the actual problem you are looking to solve? |
| 20:57.03 | frazr | The problem is that cron wont read the crontab once the docker images is run inside a kubernetes cluster |
| 20:57.07 | frazr | within a pod |
| 20:57.30 | GNU\colossus | how did you update your crontab file? |
| 20:57.37 | frazr | works fine locally, i've struggled with this problem before alot and now i'm trying to build a more optimal container, and want to solve this in a nice way.. |
| 20:57.41 | GNU\colossus | and which exact location of crontab are we talking about? |
| 20:57.56 | frazr | the crontab is created and set to 600 when building the image |
| 20:58.11 | frazr | works fine locally in my local docker environment as i said |
| 20:58.20 | frazr | so the issue is a bit strange |
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| 20:58.31 | frazr | /etc/crontab |
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| 20:59.12 | GNU\colossus | hm, that should actually work without going the `crontab -e` route |
| 20:59.37 | GNU\colossus | (there's a special gatekeeper application to maintain crontab files for users) |
| 20:59.42 | frazr | yea, i don't know what sort of black magic happens once this is fired up with kubernetes |
| 20:59.58 | GNU\colossus | is crond running inside your container? |
| 21:00.00 | frazr | no persistant storage or nothing associated with it either |
| 21:00.05 | GNU\colossus | (I don't have any k8s experience) |
| 21:00.29 | frazr | the cron -f command is implemented in the base image |
| 21:00.48 | frazr | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/phusion/baseimage-docker/master/image/services/cron/cron.runit |
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| 21:01.11 | GNU\colossus | and that yields the expected process? |
| 21:01.13 | frazr | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/phusion/baseimage-docker/master/image/services/cron/cron.sh |
| 21:01.21 | GNU\colossus | (why don't you just use systemd instead of all this?) |
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| 21:01.36 | frazr | trying to minimize the amount of ram used to very tiny containers like this one |
| 21:01.43 | frazr | for* |
| 21:02.13 | fearnothing | jhutchins_wk: https://www.unsafehex.com/index.php/2017/11/07/syslog-ng-flat-file-collection-where-did-my-program-go/ |
| 21:02.30 | frazr | using like 6-12mb of ram and almost no cpu usage with this one, it's performing like 80% better then previous one :) |
| 21:02.41 | fearnothing | as you suggested :) |
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| 21:02.57 | GNU\colossus | frazr, apparently, it also fails to properly do its job though ;) |
| 21:03.04 | fearnothing | hmm |
| 21:03.07 | frazr | haha well, i could solve it |
| 21:03.12 | frazr | by moving crontab |
| 21:03.15 | fearnothing | jhutchin1_wk I'm guessing your connection dropped? |
| 21:03.19 | frazr | to tmp/crontab and moving back again |
| 21:03.21 | frazr | :) |
| 21:03.32 | frazr | but i don't want to do that it's ugly |
| 21:03.38 | GNU\colossus | I don't know what cron impl. ubuntu uses these days, and what its implementation specifics are |
| 21:03.49 | frazr | that's why i asked how i can reload a file without actually doing anything to it :D |
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| 21:03.53 | GNU\colossus | but have you tried `touch`ing the /etc/crontab file? |
| 21:04.02 | frazr | like truncate it but with the length of it |
| 21:04.03 | frazr | or something :D |
| 21:04.04 | GNU\colossus | maybe it uses inotify to load? |
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| 21:04.19 | frazr | ah touch might work |
| 21:04.25 | frazr | i'll try that |
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| 21:04.29 | GNU\colossus | the thing is, you certainly don't have to tell the kernel a file changed. it does know. you MIGHT have to tell a userspace application. |
| 21:04.56 | GNU\colossus | if your crappy init replacement (:p) supports it, you can also, I guess, try SIGHUPing the crond process |
| 21:05.03 | GNU\colossus | which _might_ trigger a file reload |
| 21:05.16 | GNU\colossus | check the docs, or the source, for crond to make sure |
| 21:05.26 | ghormoon | btw if someone needs that, installing cups-client and setting the ServerName in /etc/cups/client.conf works also for the libreoffice |
| 21:05.59 | frazr | hehe yeah, i don't know if the runit-variant works better than supervisord, that's one of the things i'm investigating :D |
| 21:06.10 | frazr | both are most likely crap |
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| 21:06.41 | ghormoon | btw is there something in repos for dell printers? I've googled up only this: https://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Dell/ (but I'm pretty sure before, I had it somehow working. now I managed to make it print rayscale by putting it on some xerox driver, but color doesn't work :)) |
| 21:06.46 | frazr | ah , nice nice |
| 21:06.53 | frazr | thanks for the tips GNU\colossus |
| 21:08.03 | GNU\colossus | ghormoon, there's a link to a .deb archive containing PPD files for that printer type |
| 21:08.08 | GNU\colossus | have you tried that? |
| 21:08.17 | GNU\colossus | (or maybe cups even ships one itself) |
| 21:08.20 | GNU\colossus | frazr, yw |
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| 21:08.44 | ghormoon | yeah, but asking if there's something in rpeos before I take debs out of repos |
| 21:08.57 | GNU\colossus | makes sense :) |
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| 21:09.17 | ghormoon | my apt-cache searchses failed, but that doesn't mean much |
| 21:09.18 | GNU\colossus | cups has generic postscript drivers for sure |
| 21:09.26 | frazr | lol, touching crontab worked |
| 21:09.31 | frazr | why didn't i think of that :) |
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| 21:09.42 | frazr | still bit ugly though :/ |
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| 21:11.32 | GNU\colossus | ghormoon, have you tried if cups suggest a reasonable printer driver for your model? |
| 21:11.36 | ghormoon | I gave up and installed it, seems ok |
| 21:12.12 | ghormoon | I've tried some random things as almost everything uses guttenprint. that works for grayscale, not color. I didn't notice the option to suggest :) |
| 21:13.04 | GNU\colossus | the "add printer" wizard thingie in the cupsd web interface often does a decent job at figuring out which driver/ppd you'd want |
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| 21:13.43 | ghormoon | it didn't offer anything |
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| 21:14.28 | GNU\colossus | OK, then maybe there just wasn't anything suitable available |
| 21:14.52 | GNU\colossus | I only buy HP printers these days, since hplip is pretty great and makes the "is my printer supported?"-question moot |
| 21:16.05 | ghormoon | yeah, my prevous install had this set up and I don't really remember if I found some debian package or took some outside deb back then |
| 21:16.25 | ghormoon | I somehow think there was something in debian, but maybe not. I'll check the old laptop sometime |
| 21:16.52 | GNU\colossus | many printer manufaturers don't offer free (as in freedom) PPDs/drivers for their hardware |
| 21:16.56 | GNU\colossus | +c |
| 21:17.38 | ghormoon | well, dell takes it to level if you download drivers for suse or rhel 5 (they don't offer other linux distros), it spists out .exe :) |
| 21:18.09 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
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| 21:25.55 | netzach | Hello |
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| 21:26.05 | netzach | what is the article/guide on how to fix grub from the grub busybox? |
| 21:26.09 | netzach | I think it was given to me before here |
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| 21:33.14 | netzach | or if anyone can point me to the way to fix grub, I think I was told before how |
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| 21:33.28 | netzach | boot into a shell from a livecd, mount old partition, chroot some stuff |
| 21:33.30 | netzach | mount proc |
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| 21:33.36 | netzach | someone told me before but unfortuantely I didn't take notes |
| 21:34.24 | mtn | netzach: I always use the installer to repair grub. it is under advanced, I believe |
| 21:34.41 | mtn | netzach: or expert. something like that |
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| 21:36.17 | netzach | mtn: the issue I had was that I'd install from a live usb to another usbn, and after I ejected it the /dev/sdX changed and grub no longer worked, it booted to a busybox |
| 21:36.28 | netzach | someone here told me how to fix it, unfortunately I didn't take notes |
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| 21:37.03 | mtn | netzach: like I said, the installer can fix it easily. |
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| 21:37.57 | netzach | mtn: when I put the usb key again it changed again the sdx |
| 21:38.15 | netzach | mtn: the solution I was given was to go into a shell, mount proc and stuff, chroot and do update-grub |
| 21:38.23 | netzach | and use disk by label or uuid instead of /dev/sdx |
| 21:38.24 | mtn | netzach: then you should use uuids, not sdx |
| 21:38.28 | netzach | as I've said I didn't take notes |
| 21:38.37 | netzach | mtn: but the installer doesn't do that, so I had to do it manually |
| 21:38.50 | netzach | someone told me before how you can mount proc and stuff, then chroot into the old partition and run update grub from there |
| 21:38.51 | mtn | netzach: and as I said twice. you can use the installer to fix it. |
| 21:38.54 | netzach | but I forgot the exact commands |
| 21:38.59 | netzach | mtn: but what are the commands I must use? |
| 21:39.09 | mtn | netzach: the installer will mount the things you need mounted. no commands needed for that |
| 21:40.10 | netzach | mtn: sorry but last time I did this that's not how I've done it |
| 21:40.16 | netzach | I had to run the shell and chroot stuff from there |
| 21:40.20 | netzach | and mount proc and other stuff |
| 21:40.25 | mtn | netzach: so? why not do it the easier way? |
| 21:40.40 | netzach | because I don't know what you're suggesting |
| 21:40.55 | mtn | netzach: which part did you not understand? |
| 21:41.09 | netzach | I have my live usb, I boot it, then what? |
| 21:41.22 | mtn | netzach: is your live usb a debian install disk? |
| 21:41.40 | netzach | are there logs on this channel? maybe if there are logs I can search through them and find the commadns I was given before |
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| 21:42.18 | annadane | !irclog |
| 21:42.18 | dpkg | methinks irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 21:42.24 | annadane | netzach, ^ |
| 21:42.53 | jhutchin1_wk | !fixgrub |
| 21:42.53 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 21:43.19 | netzach | I think that was it, thank you jhutchin1_wk |
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| 21:45.26 | jhutchin1_wk | fearnothing: Yeah, sorry, meeting. |
| 21:45.26 | netzach | annadane: grub-install /dev/whatever works if you do it by-part label? |
| 21:45.42 | annadane | don't ask me, i'm a run of the mill moron |
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| 21:46.03 | netzach | what does that mean? |
| 21:46.08 | netzach | jhutchin1_wk: ? |
| 21:46.09 | mtn | heh |
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| 21:47.05 | jhutchin1_wk | I kindof abandoned fearnothing 'cause I got called into a meeting IRL. |
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| 22:06.57 | rawruw | fearnothing: that's true, I can attest that. His boss told him that they "need to talk". As you can tell, he's very sorry right know... it's a thing they have, I'm not judging. |
| 22:07.04 | rawruw | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 22:13.35 | zuiss1 | are there any downsides to downloading and running the firefox binary from mozilla as opposed to using the ESR version in debian stable? |
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| 22:17.05 | annadane | er... something about updates |
| 22:17.21 | annadane | i don't remember but there's a way you can do it and get updates from mozilla |
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| 22:18.09 | zuiss1 | updates work fine through the mozilla version |
| 22:18.10 | annadane | regular firefox is also packaged in stretch but of course if you want to use both esr and the latest firefox or any other firefox versions you have to keep the configuration files seperately because things tend to go in ~/.mozilla anyway |
| 22:18.27 | jasabella | hi :) i'm trying to run calligra on xfce DE and the user interface is all mangled, anyone know which packages i need to fix this? |
| 22:18.31 | annadane | oh sorry |
| 22:18.38 | annadane | firefox latest isn't in stretch, i thought it was |
| 22:18.47 | zuiss1 | yea only ESR |
| 22:18.58 | annadane | jasabella, for stretch? |
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| 22:19.01 | jasabella | yep |
| 22:19.26 | jasabella | er, sorry, i was on stretch until a few weeks ago, buster :) |
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| 22:19.55 | jasabella | but i had this problem with stretch too iirc |
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| 22:21.02 | jasabella | i have a feeling it's a theme-related one |
| 22:21.04 | annadane | !debian-next |
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| 22:21.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:21.22 | annadane | oh, sorry |
| 22:21.44 | annadane | i didn't read the "had this problem with stretch too" - but still better to ask in that channel if you have buster |
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| 23:28.42 | HeXiLeD | is there a way to get https://packages.debian.org/buster/printer-driver-hpcups to strech ? |
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| 23:32.04 | annadane | HeXiLeD, https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 23:34.48 | HeXiLeD | thanks man. Lets see if that works for me . |
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| 23:48.26 | annadane | at least i think that page is testing/sid agnostic |
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| 23:53.41 | annadane | well, it would be, they're practically the same release |
| 23:53.45 | annadane | never mind i'm being stupid |
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