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| 00:23.10 | vitx | quick question |
| 00:23.17 | vitx | why firefox stable has such an old version ? |
| 00:23.23 | vitx | why debian stable has such an old firefox version * |
| 00:24.29 | annadane | because Extended Support Release |
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| 00:24.33 | annadane | it undergoes fewer changes |
| 00:25.05 | RoyK | vitx: debian sticks to stable releases of ff and everything else - ff renews everything on every release, making it less stable |
| 00:25.34 | vitx | RoyK: Problem is that it's too out of date |
| 00:25.39 | annadane | (none of this would be an issue if extensions weren't stupid) |
| 00:25.45 | RoyK | vitx: but you're free to use the official firefox versions, of couse |
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| 00:26.12 | vitx | RoyK: I got Firefox Quantum installed but if you included it in a repo it would make the lives of many easier :D |
| 00:26.44 | RoyK | vitx: just use one of the repos out there |
| 00:27.00 | RoyK | vitx: or make one yourself - it's not hard |
| 00:27.17 | vitx | RoyK: Problem is not me, it's many people in a similar position to mine |
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| 00:29.24 | RoyK | vitx: ask firefox/mozilla to setup a repo, then - debian doesn't like a ton of changes - it breaks things |
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| 00:33.01 | RoyK | vitx: debian is good for stabiliy, really good, almost as concervative as redhat. ubuntu, mint, fedora & al includes all sorts of new stuff (perhaps except for ubuntu LTS, which is a bit more conservative). |
| 00:33.06 | RoyK | !sns |
| 00:33.07 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:34.08 | vitx | RoyK: I am just saying that having new versions in some extra repos would be nice |
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| 00:34.32 | RoyK | vitx: see above |
| 00:34.56 | vitx | RoyK: I meant Debian creating those repos |
| 00:35.22 | RoyK | vitx: backports is usually ok, using SID is like BASE jumping with an umbrella |
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| 00:36.00 | RoyK | vitx: it's not the primary objective for debian to have all sort of sns in the distro - other distros are better for that |
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| 00:36.19 | RoyK | vitx: or you can use specific packages from whoever makes the sotware |
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| 00:48.18 | hailhinker | Sveta is a marriage scammer |
| 00:49.15 | hailhinker | Sveta is a marriage scammer |
| 00:49.29 | hailhinker | sorry dont mean to repeat |
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| 00:58.16 | johnnyfive | You can say that again |
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| 01:01.44 | elios | but |
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| 01:01.51 | elios | but does it pay off? |
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| 01:02.59 | sutekh | sveta is a marriage scammer |
| 01:02.59 | sutekh | sveta is a marriage scammer |
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| 01:04.22 | geard | Hey everyone, I'm curious what you would suggest for controlling out of band Debian installs that you don't want to open ports on the firewall. I'm thinking a service that starts and calls a cloud instance and does a reverse tunnel so I can SSH back into the out of band instance. What are your suggestions? |
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| 01:42.59 | foul_owl | Hi folks. I recently got a logitech wireless mouse, but lsusb is not even showing the dongle. Tried on debian 8 and 9. Maybe there is some driver I need to install? apt-cache search didn't show anything useful. Thanks! |
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| 01:43.31 | foul_owl | It's a G903 |
| 01:43.50 | DonArmstrong | foul_owl: check dmesg; you should at least see the dongle when you plug it in |
| 01:44.41 | foul_owl | Nothing in dmesg |
| 01:46.37 | sussudio | try reseating the dongle. |
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| 01:49.43 | foul_owl | Tried unplug/replug about 30 times, no luck |
| 01:49.45 | foul_owl | Maybe it was DOA |
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| 01:50.49 | sussudio | try another port or maybe it needs a bit of force to get all the way in |
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| 01:52.06 | abrotman | meep! |
| 01:52.40 | foul_owl | Ah interesting ok I get "connect-debounce failed" |
| 01:52.58 | foul_owl | On two separate systems |
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| 01:58.46 | foul_owl | OK I'm going with "device is damaged" lol |
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| 02:02.53 | sussudio | is it new or have you used it before |
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| 02:52.09 | vitx | When your computer doesn't do what you type, |
| 02:52.09 | vitx | And half the screen is covered with a big white stripe, |
| 02:52.09 | vitx | The vendor won't pay any mind to your gripe, |
| 02:52.09 | vitx | So boot it. Just boot it. |
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| 02:55.21 | vitx | When you discover that a process won't die, |
| 02:55.21 | vitx | If kill -9 won't work there's nothing else to try. |
| 02:55.21 | vitx | Your jobs are dead meat, so kiss 'em goodbye |
| 02:55.21 | vitx | And boot it. 50 hours of work, |
| 02:55.21 | vitx | Just boot it, boot it. |
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| 03:37.00 | v0idpwn | Hello. I just installed Debian 9.2 |
| 03:37.21 | v0idpwn | Ive got a Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 |
| 03:37.31 | v0idpwn | How can I make it work? |
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| 03:38.55 | Sveta | v0idpwn: at h-node.org at the top click 'search' |
| 03:39.08 | Sveta | ... then look at the bottom box, where it asks to paste an output of a command |
| 03:39.16 | RoyK | v0idpwn: usually it's a firmware needed for those things |
| 03:39.16 | Sveta | do that, it'll show list of your chips |
| 03:39.21 | Sveta | link me to the chip that this is |
| 03:39.28 | Sveta | it has driver name and info there too |
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| 03:39.42 | dpkg | ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k #ath10k on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:41.22 | RoyK | PoS network hardware where the designing firm doesn't document the hardware and instead just post a closed "firmware" which, in fact, is the driver |
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| 04:01.10 | v0idpwn | Im on 4.9, do I need to backport? :X |
| 04:01.26 | v0idpwn | This mean I have to recompile my kernel? |
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| 04:30.28 | metastable | dtux: does one start with fe80? |
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| 04:31.48 | dtux | metastable: I have one of those, but that is not what I'm referring to. (There are also 2 privacy addresses.) The 2 I'm referring to are mngtmpaddrs. |
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| 04:32.42 | petemc | mngtmpaddrs ? |
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| 04:33.31 | dtux | petemc: that's how they are labelled in `ip address` |
| 04:34.22 | metastable | dtux: Look at the host portion of the two addresses in question. Are the middle bits "ff:fe" on both or just one? |
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| 04:34.47 | metastable | dtux: are you also running dhcpv6 in your environment is what I'm getting at. |
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| 04:35.48 | dtux | metastable: yes, they are. I've configured my router for dhcp-pd so that my hosts will connect via slaac |
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| 04:37.34 | metastable | dtux: I'm asking because I've seen misconfigured or misbehaving setups where one address gets configured via SLAAC, and a second via stateful DHCPv6. |
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| 04:39.14 | dtux | metastable: ah, i see... afaik all stateful dhcpv6 should be disable don my LAN |
| 04:39.55 | metastable | I'd wireshark it and see where the second RA is coming from. |
| 04:40.35 | dtux | I just found a suggestion on reddit I'm trying: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/466de2/ipv6_on_erl/d02xphw/ |
| 04:40.45 | dtux | metastable: shouldn't rdisc6 catch that? |
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| 04:46.38 | dtux | agh, no dice |
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| 04:51.23 | dtux | hmmm actually... now i have a third, but the third is correct and the other 2 may just be stale |
| 04:52.13 | petemc | ip n s |
| 04:53.23 | dtux | just brought the interface down and back up, if they come back ill give that a go (i assume you mean with -6?) |
| 04:53.54 | petemc | ip -6 n s |
| 04:53.59 | petemc | yeah |
| 04:54.52 | plasmodu1k | ¡/window next |
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| 04:59.35 | dtux | petemc: they came back :( there is one entry in there that appears to be my router |
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| 05:20.48 | dtux | huh... actually i think i fixed it router side. I changed a config on my router and my server which was previously affected seems fine now, just the workstation that seems to have the issue now. |
| 05:21.08 | dtux | gonna try a reboot... |
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| 05:26.25 | dtux | that worked |
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| 06:25.10 | CrazyTux | how different is Linux Mint Debian Edition from Debian? |
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| 06:31.09 | aaap | CrazyTux: linux mint was based on ubuntu . and debian edition probably mean based on debian directly |
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| 06:31.44 | CrazyTux | aaap, ok. Have you used LMDE? |
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| 06:32.05 | aaap | CrazyTux: haven't try it. what is the iso size? |
| 06:32.25 | aaap | CrazyTux: the page which you found the debian edition? |
| 06:33.05 | CrazyTux | aaap, https://linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php |
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| 06:35.59 | aaap | CrazyTux: if you want to challenge yourself |
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| 06:36.08 | aaap | go try lmde |
| 06:36.28 | aaap | but might as well use debian with xfce |
| 06:36.30 | aaap | :D |
| 06:36.53 | aaap | LMDE is however slightly faster than Linux Mint |
| 06:37.01 | aaap | i doubt any much faster |
| 06:37.05 | aaap | :D |
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| 06:38.11 | CrazyTux | aaap, I am using Debian 9.2 xfce. Have installed KDE Plasma and Cinnamon DEs on it. |
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| 06:40.47 | aaap | CrazyTux: Debian 9.2 xfce will be an excellent desktop |
| 06:41.06 | aaap | lightweight |
| 06:41.09 | CrazyTux | aaap, ok |
| 06:41.41 | aaap | CrazyTux: i am on linux mint xfce .. |
| 06:41.55 | CrazyTux | aaap, how can I make Debian 9 xfce look more visually appealing? |
| 06:41.56 | aaap | CrazyTux: it use 20mb more memory than debian 9 with xfce |
| 06:42.12 | Logg | unusable |
| 06:43.17 | aaap | CrazyTux: you have to wait for other to help on that question or try google.. |
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| 06:44.06 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 06:56.24 | happygilmoregent | having trouble with nvidia and my consoles are just showing the blinking cursor if left idle |
| 06:56.41 | happygilmoregent | nvidia-legacy-304.135-2 |
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| 06:57.42 | annadane | CrazyTux, https://www.xfce-look.org/ |
| 06:58.18 | annadane | other than that, just play around, it's your system |
| 06:58.29 | happygilmoregent | which service covers dhclient because it's not doing it by default |
| 06:58.34 | CrazyTux | annadane, thanks |
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| 07:00.02 | annadane | CrazyTux, and also editing config files etc. i know system settings has very fine grained control in xfce |
| 07:00.24 | annadane | if you know how to navigate the sometimes confusing interface |
| 07:01.57 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:02.11 | CrazyTux | btw, is xfce the best DE? |
| 07:02.17 | CrazyTux | which one you use? |
| 07:02.45 | annadane | this is getting off topic, you're better off asking in #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:06.48 | CrazyTux | can I render Debian stable into Debian testing? |
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| 07:07.01 | happygilmoregent | where is the debian bugtracker? |
| 07:07.09 | annadane | happygilmoregent, bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:07.34 | annadane | CrazyTux, _can_ you? you _can_, but for what purpose? moving to testing or sid is risky as it can break, so be aware of the risks |
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| 07:08.00 | annadane | or i guess it's https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ as it redirects there |
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| 07:08.37 | CrazyTux | annadane, what are the symptoms of system breakage? |
| 07:08.54 | CrazyTux | what does it actually mean? |
| 07:09.04 | CrazyTux | is testing also risky? |
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| 07:10.07 | BenNZ | CrazyTux: if you have to ask then yes |
| 07:10.09 | annadane | CrazyTux, the wiki does a better job of explaining it than i can |
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| 07:10.44 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:12.53 | toruvinn | uhhh ovh went down |
| 07:13.35 | annadane | toruvinn, pick a different mirror then. https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 07:14.46 | happygilmoregent | why would dhclient (eth0) not be in rc.local? |
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| 07:15.25 | benpro | http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=28247&PHPSESSID=d87413c556b4e36f617257626e6d5a94 OVH Strasbourg Down |
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| 07:17.08 | annadane | benpro, just pick a different mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 07:17.35 | benpro | Yup, jus telling because of "08:12:53 toruvinn | uhhh ovh went down" |
| 07:17.59 | annadane | ah |
| 07:18.07 | toruvinn | annadane, i'm talking about those ping timeouts... i dont need mirrors of anything atm, thanks. ;-) |
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| 07:20.26 | annadane | i presume it'll fix itself, i'm sure they have a notification set up if mirrors break |
| 07:20.36 | annadane | or servers or whatever |
| 07:20.55 | annadane | (which is the same thing...) |
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| 07:28.55 | CrazyTux | guys, what |
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| 07:29.27 | CrazyTux | what's your opinion on MX Linux and Sparky Linux. Both are based on Debian. |
| 07:30.00 | annadane | CrazyTux, again, #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:30.42 | sussudio | did OVH in its entirety go down? |
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| 08:34.02 | sussudio | i noticed. |
| 08:34.26 | pragomer | can I change to "experimental" just via replacing "stretch" with "experimental" in sources.list? |
| 08:34.55 | sussudio | why would you do that, pragomer |
| 08:35.05 | klys | usually, yes. you need the debian-security source too. |
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| 08:36.48 | pragomer | just want to test xfce gtk3 pre version under vbox |
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| 08:40.20 | sussudio | "We have just lost the entire power supply of network equipment. We investigate." < translate.google.com should be better at french to english by now. |
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| 08:48.28 | JustASlacker | any easy way to get nginx with http2 support? |
| 08:50.42 | JustASlacker | for debian 8 |
| 08:50.58 | jelly | ,v nginx |
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| 08:52.27 | n4dir | pragomer: you can't change to experimental at all. You can add it (to sid , to testing too?), but that's it. |
| 08:52.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell pragomer about experimental |
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| 08:52.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell pragomer about sid |
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| 09:06.51 | rdz | hey all. why was the user name snmpd runs under changed from snmp to Debian-snmp in Stretch? |
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| 09:07.50 | n4dir | ups: pragomer ^^ |
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| 09:32.02 | pragomer | so how can I add for example the experimental xfce4 desktop 4.13 to testing? |
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| 09:33.36 | petn-randall | pragomer: experimental is a partial suite sitting on top of sid. So you'd have to upgrade to sid, then add experimental and upgrade the xfce4 packages. And accept that the maintainer thinks it's not even fit for sid yet, which means it is probably broken in some way. |
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| 09:34.09 | pragomer | ok. i will upgrade my stretch to sid first. |
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| 09:34.17 | pragomer | then.. how do I add experimental? |
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| 09:34.34 | n4dir | you would do "apt-get install -t <packagename> -t experimental" iirc |
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| 09:34.54 | n4dir | you copy the sid line, paste it and replcace sid with experimental in that line |
| 09:35.25 | n4dir | imho: not worth the trouble, petn-randall has pointed it out already. |
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| 09:37.28 | petn-randall | pragomer: Personally, if you want a working system, stick with stable. testing is buggy, sid is bleeding-edge hurting at times, and experimental is mostly only interesting for other Debian devs. |
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| 09:38.20 | n4dir | i once added experimental during the freeze, but without much gain, iirc |
| 09:38.32 | n4dir | stable is the best, of course . |
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| 09:39.05 | petn-randall | pragomer: If you upgrade past stable, you're also willingly accepting that you're a guinea pig for the unpolished and unreleased pre-release. |
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| 09:39.20 | pragomer | mm.. do you have a good idea how I could test xfce 4.13 ? |
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| 09:47.40 | n4dir | pragomer: i would ask in #xfce ; the web doesn't spit out an existing liveCD, but i didn't really search (in general fedora or ubuntu comes to mind ) |
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| 09:50.46 | pragomer | they told me (in xfce channel) that experimental in debian would have the packages already :-) |
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| 09:57.02 | n4dir | well: give it a try (i recall you wanted to test it in an emulator ?). |
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| 09:59.40 | n4dir | assuming you got enough time at hand. I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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| 10:01.49 | jelly | pragomer: that may be, but it being experimental has usual consequences -- expected to work only as an addition to sid (or testing/unstable mix) |
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| 10:09.48 | pragomer | I added both: sid and experimental to sources.list now |
| 10:10.04 | pragomer | how can I now install xfce 4.13 ? |
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| 10:12.14 | babilen | pragomer: Are you sure that's a good idea? |
| 10:12.39 | pragomer | its just to try out. its a vm in vbox |
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| 10:13.03 | babilen | You should be able to specify experimental with "-t experimental", but if you start this from stable, I'd rather upgrade to unstable first. I'd also personally use a testing/unstable mix (cf. /msg dpkg tum) |
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| 10:16.09 | pragomer | i have sid and in the 2nd line experimental in sources.list |
| 10:16.12 | pragomer | nothing else |
| 10:17.18 | babilen | Ah, so you were running sid already? |
| 10:17.26 | jelly | ,v xfce4 |
| 10:17.27 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; buster: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3; stretch: 4.12.3 |
| 10:17.44 | babilen | Where are the promised 4.13 packages? |
| 10:17.45 | jelly | don't see a version for the metapackage in experimental at all |
| 10:18.02 | pragomer | 4.13 is a preview to gtk3 I think |
| 10:18.08 | babilen | Maybe bits of it have been uploaded already |
| 10:18.19 | jelly | maybe it should be labeled xfce5 :-) |
| 10:18.34 | pragomer | I THINK it should be labeled like that ! :-) |
| 10:18.47 | pragomer | i am just doing dist-upgrade |
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| 10:19.22 | babilen | .:oO( famous last words ) |
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| 10:19.59 | pragomer | LOL |
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| 10:23.37 | pragomer | I am running sid now. what package would I have to install/upgrad via -t experimental ? |
| 10:24.08 | jelly | xfce4, if it existed |
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| 10:24.58 | pragomer | apt-get install xfce4 -t experimental ? |
| 10:25.16 | pragomer | tells me "xfce4" is already the latest 4.12.3 |
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| 10:31.08 | petn-randall | pragomer: Hence "if it existed". |
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| 10:51.52 | Lyberta | what package do I need to install to build a Qt Widgets app? |
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| 10:59.09 | HyP3r | hey all. I'm trying to configure my system to do an automatic unattended upgrade. But it isn't working. I followed this manual: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 10:59.46 | HyP3r | Now one month later, if I do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I'm able to do some upgrades but thats strange, the system should do this automatic |
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| 11:00.22 | HyP3r | Packages like libcurl or libssl1.0.0 should be upgarded |
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| 11:01.04 | HyP3r | I like to upgrade everything on my system, my pattern was "o=*"; |
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| 11:02.01 | HyP3r | Do I have to create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades? |
| 11:03.13 | HyP3r | I have created the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic and inserted everything 1:1 like there: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Automatic_call_via_.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fapt.conf.d.2F02periodic |
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| 11:06.48 | petn-randall | HyP3r: By default unattended-upgrades only does security updates from the security repo. There can still be regular (non-security) bugfixes that come through stretch-updates. |
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| 11:07.09 | petn-randall | HyP3r: If you changed that it would be great to show us the relevant config on http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 11:16.01 | RebelCoder | Guys, is there a way to count mouse clicks in Linux at all ? |
| 11:16.47 | RebelCoder | For example, I use a web app, and want to know how much clicks I have made ? without adding specific code to a web page ? |
| 11:17.55 | HyP3r | petn-randall: 50unattended-upgrades https://pastebin.com/pqaieHyi and 02periodic https://pastebin.com/GUzNDXYE |
| 11:17.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | what |
| 11:18.04 | teraflops | shrugs |
| 11:18.55 | HyP3r | petn-randall: sorry the 50unattended-upgrades was broken: https://pastebin.com/wrYa62N2 |
| 11:21.19 | petn-randall | HyP3r: Does Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern even support wildcards? |
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| 11:21.55 | HyP3r | petn-randall: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/01/02/how-to-perform-unattended-upgrades/ |
| 11:21.59 | HyP3r | As an alternative to the previous example, use following code to install every upgrade available through the used sources lists |
| 11:22.08 | HyP3r | Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { "o=*"; } |
| 11:23.11 | CuteMeOwnThroat | RebelCoder, xev -id <windowid> , possibly |
| 11:23.28 | teraflops | RebelCoder: add it yourself or file a feature request for such "app" instead of trying crazy workarounds |
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| 11:24.41 | CuteMeOwnThroat | in principle… it'd be xev -i 0x200dadc | grep Button |
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| 11:24.52 | CuteMeOwnThroat | where 0x200dadc ist the window id from xwininfo |
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| 11:25.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it doesn't seem to catch button up and button down on an alien window, though… although it does on its own. weird |
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| 11:27.56 | petn-randall | HyP3r: Yeah, that blog post might be wrong, I'd check it in the official docs. |
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| 11:28.24 | HyP3r | petn-randall: https://github.com/mvo5/unattended-upgrades |
| 11:28.43 | HyP3r | >If you already configure what to install via apt pinning, you can simply use "origin=*", e.g.: |
| 11:29.52 | rgr | moving from stable to buster. Im unable to get the keys in. debian keyring is installed. tried purging it and reinstalling. See the filetype issue in this gist :https://gist.github.com/rileyrg/a2078f8dc78345f1a6bc9e2abfb0f391 |
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| 11:30.34 | rgr | " The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file has an unsupported filetype." |
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| 11:32.10 | RebelCoder | CuteMeOwnThroat, what if it is a browser window. How do I find the ID of it ? |
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| 11:32.27 | HyP3r | petn-randall: If I run "LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run" this script tries to upgrade all missing upgrades |
| 11:32.39 | HyP3r | petn-randall: so why doesn't it work automatically? |
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| 11:34.27 | petn-randall | HyP3r: I'd check /var/log/unattended-upgrades for hints. |
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| 11:38.30 | lembron | so, mongodb just instacrashes on jessie -- to fix i have to run "chmod -R go+rx /sys/devices/system/" -- what gets reverted after reboot - where and how can i make that fix? ((supposedly it has an issue reading /sys/devices/system/node/node0 it seems) |
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| 11:40.49 | petn-randall | lembron: Why would that be needed by mongodb? Looks like you're ripping a huge security hole into your system doing that. |
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| 11:41.14 | HyP3r | petn-randall: good point. On regular day I have something like that: https://pastebin.com/AMmTFbcG . I don't know if you know german but there stands just that there are no updates. That means this script is working each day. |
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| 11:43.52 | HyP3r | petn-randall: but if I run "LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run" I get this: https://pastebin.com/Pk7aQeZE |
| 11:44.11 | HyP3r | Thats so confusing everything. Why does a debug run match everything and is trying to install it and a normal run does nothing |
| 11:44.55 | petn-randall | HyP3r: No idea, really. I'd dig how the cron job gets called, and compare that with your run. |
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| 11:52.45 | lembron | petn-randall idk why... but before that mongo just crashes - after running that it fires up just fine :/ |
| 11:53.16 | lembron | its a "up2date jessie" that was initally installed just 6-10 months ago |
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| 11:58.45 | grandeverde | ciao |
| 11:58.49 | grandeverde | !list |
| 11:58.49 | dpkg | grandeverde: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 11:59.13 | grandeverde | !list |
| 11:59.13 | dpkg | grandeverde: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 11:59.55 | CuteMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 11:59.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:01.19 | slax0r | does it whois the executors IP and display the mesasge in their native language? |
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| 12:13.27 | petn-randall | ,v mongodb |
| 12:13.28 | judd | Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2; buster: 1:3.2.17-1; sid: 1:3.2.17-1; experimental: 1:3.4.7-1 |
| 12:13.46 | petn-randall | lembron: How does it crash then? Can you show us the full error message? |
| 12:14.09 | petn-randall | lembron: Also, are you running the version from jessie, or from some 3rd party repo? |
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| 12:15.12 | lembron | i would have posted a crashlog long ago yes... but im impacted by the current OVH downtime, so i cant get to the server "right now" ;D |
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| 12:15.42 | lembron | badly timed i know... --- it also has elastic repos, but im pretty sure mongodb-server came from normal jessie repos |
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| 12:22.52 | gpunk | i know a better hosting company in france , with 99,9% downtime |
| 12:22.59 | gpunk | uptime* |
| 12:23.01 | gpunk | lol |
| 12:23.42 | gpunk | I dropped ovh just for them ... and that issue |
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| 12:24.11 | lembron | today shit hit the fan... dualPowerfailure in a DC, dualGeneratorFailure on that, and then the whole ring broke and everything went kapow :/ |
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| 12:25.21 | lembron | with such exceptional days like once a year - im overall still pretty happy with them, just dont need support and have everything twice... (there prices allow todo that so...) |
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| 12:26.20 | mathisss | why ubuntu is going to be garbage ? |
| 12:26.25 | gpunk | bof , there are better than them out there |
| 12:26.40 | teraflops | mathisss: why are you asking such things here |
| 12:26.44 | teraflops | ? |
| 12:27.22 | mathisss | sorry .. |
| 12:27.49 | JustASlacker | you want #ubuntu |
| 12:27.56 | JustASlacker | :P |
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| 12:30.11 | mathisss | im really confused any body can answere why ? |
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| 12:30.30 | IRC23009 | hello guys, is it possible to share a picture here? |
| 12:30.50 | gpunk | mathisss we can , but this is the debian channel not ubuntu |
| 12:31.17 | teraflops | IRC23009: is the picture on topic? (read the topic) |
| 12:31.20 | linuxthefish | hi, on debian 9 where is /etc/network/interfaces moved to? |
| 12:31.27 | IRC23009 | yes it is |
| 12:31.46 | IRC23009 | i know this paste stuff but i couldnt use it for a picture |
| 12:31.46 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Still there where it always was. |
| 12:31.48 | teraflops | linuxthefish: it's still there |
| 12:31.52 | linuxthefish | o |
| 12:32.00 | lembron | imgur.com IRC23009 |
| 12:32.05 | lembron | nopaste for images :P |
| 12:32.16 | linuxthefish | my OVH server doesn't seem to have a /etc/network/interfaces O.o |
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| 12:32.34 | gpunk | ovh is crap |
| 12:32.41 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: You need to have ifupdown installed. |
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| 12:32.58 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Assuming you want to use that and not network-manager or anything else. |
| 12:33.14 | teraflops | IRC23009: ah, use something like curl -F c=@path/to/a/file https://ptpb.pw |
| 12:33.17 | linuxthefish | ah ok, yeah /etc/network just has if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.dif-up.d interfaces.d |
| 12:33.30 | linuxthefish | i won't mess with it then, OVH doesn't like things being changed |
| 12:33.44 | IRC23009 | i try to recover my chromebook and this is what I am getting |
| 12:33.45 | IRC23009 | https://imgur.com/a/c9vcO |
| 12:33.56 | IRC23009 | https://imgur.com/a/tohY9 |
| 12:34.24 | petn-randall | IRC23009: Are you running Debian? |
| 12:34.26 | IRC23009 | I tried a lot diffrent usb sticks and microsdcards, removed the battery |
| 12:34.41 | IRC23009 | yes debian was on it |
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| 12:36.35 | teraflops | IRC23009: arm? |
| 12:36.42 | IRC23009 | yes |
| 12:37.10 | teraflops | so you cannot boot a debian in rescue mode? |
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| 12:37.34 | teraflops | just asking I have no idea |
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| 12:38.41 | IRC23009 | no I cant |
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| 12:54.30 | Lyberta | how can I make Qt apps use dark theme? I use MATE and selected high contrast inverse theme but it doesn't work with Octave |
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| 13:01.08 | gpunk | lol OVH's outage is in the news |
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| 13:02.22 | tabakhase | they are ISP in france, and there DNS was down, so a lot of french users had "no internet" |
| 13:02.32 | gpunk | Lyberta qtconfig is part of qt and let you change the theme |
| 13:02.33 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 13:02.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:02.50 | petn-randall | Please move the OVH discussion to #debian-offtopic. Thanks! |
| 13:05.03 | Lyberta | gpunk, is it in Qt 5? when I try to download it it tries to download Qt 4 |
| 13:05.42 | gpunk | I have no clue, but best thing to do is to try |
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| 13:06.48 | gpunk | there is qtXconfig I think |
| 13:06.58 | gpunk | X is 3 4 or 5 |
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| 13:09.43 | gpunk | you need the 5 I guess ? |
| 13:10.01 | Lyberta | don't see it in apt... |
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| 13:10.34 | gpunk | try this qt5ct |
| 13:11.01 | Lyberta | nope |
| 13:11.34 | HyP3r | petn-randall: I found the issue: "Configured to install on shutdown, so exiting now" |
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| 13:15.06 | gpunk | qt5ct is on sourceforge only ... |
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| 13:19.14 | petn-randall | HyP3r: Ah, good catch. Didn't notice that in your config. |
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| 13:21.05 | gpunk | Lyberta: can you run your qt app with -style=gtk as argument ? |
| 13:22.04 | Lyberta | says invalid option |
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| 13:22.20 | gpunk | hmm |
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| 13:23.14 | gpunk | what debian are your running and DE plz ? |
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| 13:23.26 | Lyberta | Debian testing, MATE |
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| 13:26.56 | gpunk | debian-testing is for #debian-next on OFTC network you will find better help there :) |
| 13:28.19 | Lyberta | gpunk, it's not like changing Qt 5 theme is different between stable and testing |
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| 13:29.36 | gpunk | I know, but they are more aware of debian-testing dificulties et all , my self i am still looking into it , for fun |
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| 13:33.55 | `levi | can you remove katoolin without leaving any trace? |
| 13:34.08 | petn-randall | ,v katoolin |
| 13:34.09 | judd | No package named 'katoolin' was found in amd64. |
| 13:34.20 | petn-randall | `levi: What is katoolin? |
| 13:34.30 | petn-randall | More importantly, how did you install it? |
| 13:34.49 | `levi | it's a script that is used to install all kali-linux tools on debian and other distro's |
| 13:35.32 | petn-randall | `levi: You might want to ask the maintainer of said script then. |
| 13:35.59 | petn-randall | `levi: If you need Kali tools, I'd just install Kali in a VM. I do so, and it's common practice. |
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| 13:36.42 | petn-randall | Especially since Kali turned into a rolling release you don't want it as your main OS, and having a VM makes it easier to restore checkpoints. |
| 13:37.33 | `levi | I guess I could also try that |
| 13:38.06 | `levi | petn-randall: which vm do you use? |
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| 13:38.50 | petn-randall | `levi: Do you mean which virtualization software? |
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| 13:41.41 | `levi | petn-randall: yeah |
| 13:42.14 | petn-randall | `levi: libvirtd/virt-manager |
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| 14:15.57 | Kiril | hello |
| 14:16.10 | Kiril | I am not able to run mysql service |
| 14:16.11 | Kiril | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25925573/ |
| 14:17.16 | petn-randall | ,v mysql |
| 14:17.17 | judd | No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:18.09 | gpunk | ,mariadb |
| 14:18.13 | petn-randall | ,v mariadb-server |
| 14:18.14 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; buster: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.28-1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2 |
| 14:18.42 | petn-randall | Kiril: My first guess is that the database is corrupted. Does mariadb run with an empty database? |
| 14:19.21 | gpunk | if it s not the "core" database |
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| 14:33.35 | josecapurro | Hello. I know i can use reportbug to report a bug in a program, but how can i report a bug when building a source package retrieved using apt-get source and compiled with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 14:35.44 | RoyK | !bugs |
| 14:35.46 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 14:35.49 | RoyK | !bug |
| 14:35.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 14:37.01 | josecapurro | RoyK: Thanks! |
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| 14:38.56 | petn-randall | josecapurro: What bug are you seeing? |
| 14:39.00 | Kiril | petn-randall: i pressume no |
| 14:39.34 | petn-randall | Kiril: Well, that would be a way to check if it's a bug in mariadb, or you have a broken database. |
| 14:41.01 | josecapurro | petn-randall: I'm not really sure this is a bug or just incompetence of mine, but i'm trying to compile Squid with --enable-ssl-crtd --with-openssl, and it fails with some variables not being declared: CRYPTO_LOCK_X509, CRYPTO_LOCK_EVP_KEY and CRYPTO_LOCK_SSL. |
| 14:41.23 | josecapurro | petn-randall: I've installed libssl-dev and libcrypto++-dev |
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| 14:42.13 | josecapurro | petn-randall: I'll dig deeper before submitting anything. |
| 14:42.41 | josecapurro | petn-randall: This is in a Linode, Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 (stretch) |
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| 14:43.24 | petn-randall | josecapurro: Does it build with the default flags? |
| 14:44.35 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Yes, and i've added --enable-ssl-crtd and --with openssl to debian/rules. This is for supporting filtering HTTPS connections. |
| 14:44.42 | petn-randall | josecapurro: I'd look into the upstream documentation what is needed to compile this, this isn't a Debian bug if the Debian source package compiles fine with the default flags and installed build dependencies. |
| 14:45.17 | petn-randall | josecapurro: I'd also check when it was added, it might be that the Debian package is not new enough. |
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| 14:46.06 | josecapurro | petn-randall: In upstream is OK. I have sucessfully compiled squid3 in CentOS 6 and 7 with SSL support. I wanted to do the same with Debian. |
| 14:46.26 | josecapurro | petn-randall: I will try to do this with the upstream tarball. |
| 14:47.30 | petn-randall | josecapurro: Which Debian release are you using? |
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| 14:48.14 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Stretch. 9.2. Linode image. |
| 14:49.12 | petn-randall | That should™ be newer than CentOS 6. Then I'd check which header packages are needed to compile against. Might be others than you expect. |
| 14:49.34 | petn-randall | Or you might need to point to the target dirs with -I. |
| 14:50.17 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Yes. The repo version is 3.5.23. I'm downloading from upstream the same version to compile it with the same flags. |
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| 14:50.29 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Hmmm... It can be... -I. |
| 14:50.37 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Will try it first. |
| 14:51.42 | RedSoxFan07 | josecapurro: How do you find out the repo version? |
| 14:51.53 | petn-randall | ,v squid |
| 14:51.54 | judd | Package: squid on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u2; buster: 3.5.23-5; sid: 3.5.23-5; stretch: 3.5.23-5 |
| 14:52.03 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: ^^^ |
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| 14:53.19 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Bug in uptream: https://bugs.squid-cache.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4599 |
| 14:53.26 | RedSoxFan07 | petn-randall: huh? |
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| 14:55.18 | petn-randall | josecapurro: Does CentOS 6/7 come with openssl 1.0? Might be why it works there. Debian 9 ships openssl 1.1. |
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| 14:56.38 | josecapurro | petn-randall: CentOS 6.9 (Final) - OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips 11 Feb 2013 |
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| 14:57.04 | Sepultura_ | How the hell do I add binaries to the packages? |
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| 14:57.35 | josecapurro | petn-randall: Debian 9.2 (stretch) - OpenSSL 1.1.0f 25 May 2017 |
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| 14:57.43 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: Try with less swearing, and adding more details to your question. |
| 14:58.27 | josecapurro | petn-randall: So, i believe this is not a problem from the Debian side. No need to report it. |
| 14:58.28 | petn-randall | josecapurro: That'll be the reason then. Either find a squid version that supports openssl 1.1, or you could install Debian 8 which still ships with openssl 1.0. |
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| 14:59.48 | Sepultura_ | petn-randall, I tried to put some pictures in ~/Packages/cplex/debian/source/include-binaries but it failed |
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| 15:00.56 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: Step back a little. What OS are you running? |
| 15:01.02 | Sepultura_ | Debian |
| 15:01.06 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: Which release? |
| 15:01.08 | Sepultura_ | 9 i think |
| 15:01.19 | Sepultura_ | I downloaded today on your site |
| 15:01.32 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: "lsb_release -a" will tell you. |
| 15:01.49 | josecapurro | Just a thought: in this kind of case, is correct to show this to the package mantainer in order to support the feature? |
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| 15:02.32 | josecapurro | The case being the package not compiling because of version mismatch with libraries/tooling/requisites |
| 15:03.03 | petn-randall | josecapurro: They'll likely know. And wait for upstream to fix it, so they also know. It's just a matter of when they get around to support it. |
| 15:03.03 | Sepultura_ | Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 |
| 15:03.09 | Sepultura_ | (stretch) |
| 15:03.24 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: And what is your goal? |
| 15:03.27 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 15:03.28 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:04.13 | Sepultura_ | petn-randall, make a package |
| 15:04.20 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: A package of what? |
| 15:04.24 | Sepultura_ | for cplex |
| 15:04.39 | JyZyXEL | how to mount a MTP device in debian? |
| 15:04.41 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: What is your package source? cplex is not in Debian? |
| 15:04.55 | petn-randall | s/?$/./ |
| 15:05.29 | Sepultura_ | petn-randall, cplex has a bin installer for all Linux. The Preinst Script downloads and runs it |
| 15:05.50 | Sepultura_ | but I need to copy a picture so I can use it as Icon for start menu |
| 15:06.18 | petn-randall | Sepultura_: What is the website of the upstream project? |
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| 15:07.13 | Sepultura_ | the deb Package works if I don't put any binaries in cplex_12.7.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:07.24 | Sepultura_ | or just a text file with Version number |
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| 15:08.10 | Sepultura_ | the preinst script works fine. remove works fine. I just need to push a picture and a .desktop file inside the package |
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| 15:09.47 | Sepultura_ | every other distribution allows it too that you put a folder with binaries, pictures text files and say cp x /usr/share/icons/48x48/apps/cplex.png |
| 15:10.13 | Sepultura_ | so it should be able here too |
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| 15:11.17 | Sepultura_ | got it |
| 15:11.27 | Sepultura_ | include-binaries is a file and no folder :P |
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| 15:13.25 | maxzor | hello rant, one week ago you told me about xpra, I managed to only lauch simple programs with it (vim, emacs...) but as soon as gtk or qt comes into play i get trouble (gedit, virtualbox...). I have made some progress learning about XOrg and window manager but still know very little. |
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| 15:20.16 | Elodin | Hello guys, i just installed debian and im having a little trouble to join my wifi. I installed the xfce DE and configurations seem all right. |
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| 15:22.39 | BCMM | Elodin: do you mean you have tried to connect, and something went wrong, or that you can't see how to connect? |
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| 15:23.38 | Elodin | i have tried to connect multiple times, i even deleted the connection configuration through xfce menu and created a new one. It sees my wifi but it doesnt stabilish the connection |
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| 15:24.02 | petn-randall | Elodin: Did you use the firmware installer? |
| 15:24.17 | Elodin | although during the installation it was connected |
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| 15:24.53 | dioporco | ooooo |
| 15:24.56 | dioporco | hi debianist |
| 15:25.15 | Elodin | petn-randall: i don't know what it is |
| 15:26.01 | Brigo | Elodin, the usual problem is the lack of firmware. |
| 15:26.08 | dioporco | #join maradona |
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| 15:26.26 | Elodin | Brigo: you mean the driver for the network adapter? |
| 15:27.03 | Brigo | Elodin, if you got connection then forget my statment. |
| 15:27.41 | Elodin | Brigo: i can visualise available networks but i cant seem to connect to them |
| 15:28.46 | Brigo | Elodin, then i don't think the problems is the firmware. |
| 15:29.08 | dioporco | Elodin: have you tried to reboot? |
| 15:29.23 | petn-randall | dioporco: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 15:29.45 | Elodin | yes i just rebooted, same thing. Im trying diff configurations like mtu |
| 15:29.47 | dioporco | petn-randall: not really |
| 15:29.59 | dioporco | but I am here to help |
| 15:30.16 | petn-randall | Elodin: Usually you'll find something in the logs for network-manager. I'd check /var/log/daemon.log and syslog. |
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| 15:41.00 | tw | Can I prevent kernel modules from getting automatically loaded when a USB device is plugged/unplugged? Not specific modules (ie, not blacklist), no new modules at all on hotplug. |
| 15:41.33 | petn-randall | tw: Sure, internet search for "linux usb authorization". |
| 15:41.47 | petn-randall | tw: The kernel framework is there, I think Debian even has a GUI for that. |
| 15:41.57 | tw | petn-randall: cool, thank you much. |
| 15:42.09 | petn-randall | ,v usbguard-applet-qt |
| 15:42.10 | judd | Package: usbguard-applet-qt on amd64 -- stretch: 0.6.2+ds1-2; buster: 0.7.0+ds1-2; sid: 0.7.0+ds1-2 |
| 15:42.13 | petn-randall | tw: ^^^ This one. |
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| 15:42.33 | rant | how do I specify ssh port in rsync command? I tried rsync user@1.2.3.4:56/pathtofile . and it still used port 22 to me that looks to be the syntax in the synopsis |
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| 15:44.07 | rant | oh nm, it says rsync:// |
| 15:44.13 | helldorado | hi all |
| 15:44.30 | BCMM | rant: if you user rsync:// then you're using the rsync protocol, not going over ssh |
| 15:44.55 | RedSoxFan07 | rant: Here's what I found in the manual page for rsync: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST |
| 15:45.17 | rant | BCMM: yeah just noticed that.. |
| 15:45.29 | BCMM | rant: you can use the -e param to specify the SSH command line it should use |
| 15:45.29 | Elodin | My device state is down and i cant seem to bring it up |
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| 15:46.34 | BCMM | rant: e.g. rsync -e "ssh -p 56" user@blahblahblah |
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| 15:46.46 | Elodin | how would i know if my wireless card is proper installed? |
| 15:47.17 | BCMM | Elodin: is it listed in the output of `/sbin/ifconfig -a`? |
| 15:47.34 | rant | BCMM: thanks, that worked |
| 15:47.37 | Elodin | ip link is showing wlx0087312a02a8 |
| 15:47.44 | BCMM | rant: also if you regularly connect to this host you might want to set the port in your ~/.ssh/config |
| 15:47.44 | Elodin | instead of wlan0 |
| 15:48.33 | BCMM | rant: that way ssh, rsync and so on will all know the correct params for that host forever |
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| 15:48.57 | Elodin | BCMM: there is no ifconfig here, but ip link shows this wx0087312a02a8 instead of wlan0 |
| 15:49.07 | JustASlacker | use ip link show |
| 15:49.37 | Elodin | same thing |
| 15:49.38 | BCMM | Elodin: i think that's a "predictable network name" |
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| 15:50.26 | Elodin | it is my network card |
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| 15:50.34 | Elodin | but it's state is down |
| 15:50.40 | Elodin | i cant seem to bring it uup |
| 15:50.58 | Elodin | if i remove it from usb, then ip link show dont shows it |
| 15:51.05 | Elodin | so it is my card |
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| 15:51.44 | mtn | Elodin, run this in a terminal: sudo rfkill list wifi paste what you get to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:52.21 | Elodin | its a brand new installation |
| 15:52.32 | Elodin | i dont have this command rfkill |
| 15:52.45 | Elodin | oh well |
| 15:52.45 | mtn | Elodin, install it? |
| 15:52.58 | Elodin | without internet connection |
| 15:53.07 | mtn | Elodin, no lan? |
| 15:53.11 | Elodin | no |
| 15:53.33 | Elodin | just a question |
| 15:53.56 | Elodin | say i want to download my wifi card drivers how would i do that and install them |
| 15:54.12 | RedSoxFan07 | Elodin: connect via Ethernet |
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| 15:54.48 | Elodin | cant i download them from another pc and install manually? |
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| 15:55.54 | rant | BCMM: hmm.. I'll look into that.. right now I'm just trying to download a disk image and my connection is too unreliable so I downloaded it remotely and I'm trying to xfer it to this box.. but its not going well :P |
| 15:56.19 | BCMM | rant: --partial --progress |
| 15:56.35 | BCMM | the partial is vital, lets you resume on interruptions |
| 15:56.46 | BCMM | the --progress is just to keep you sane on a slow connection |
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| 15:56.49 | rant | yeah.. doing scp or rsync seems to be causing my connection to drop |
| 15:57.07 | BCMM | ooh, i've had connections like that. basically any heavy traffic will do it probably |
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| 15:59.23 | tw | -P is the same as --partial --progress |
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| 15:59.40 | tw | I usually do rsync -avxP these days |
| 16:00.23 | RoyK | tw: add -HAXS if you're paranoid, and perhaps without -x if you want it to recurse into other filesystems |
| 16:00.51 | tw | people use xattrs and acls in the real world? |
| 16:01.06 | RoyK | yes |
| 16:01.08 | RoyK | quite a few |
| 16:01.22 | tw | Must be nice living in the future ;) |
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| 16:02.07 | RoyK | well, it's 2017 ;) |
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| 16:02.31 | Hachya | I have stretch running as a kvm guest, but I can't connect to it from the host box, no ping response or SSH.. No selinux, firewalld, or iptables currently setup. Network is bridged, and I can get out to the internet from the guest. Any idea what I'm missing? |
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| 16:03.33 | RoyK | Hachya: using bridge or nat? |
| 16:03.45 | RoyK | oh - you said bridge |
| 16:03.59 | Hachya | yeah, first thing I did |
| 16:04.02 | RoyK | Hachya: pastebin network config |
| 16:04.06 | `levi | I'm getting a message that the disk is full. /var/log is extremely heavy, 20gb. Why? |
| 16:04.22 | RoyK | works for me on a lot of installatiosions |
| 16:04.22 | Hachya | wish I could, lol, can't copy from the vmm console. |
| 16:04.31 | RoyK | Hachya: I meant on the host |
| 16:04.42 | Hachya | yeah, I can't ssh isto it. |
| 16:04.49 | Hachya | oh wait |
| 16:04.56 | Hachya | you mean the host's network config, whoops |
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| 16:04.59 | RoyK | `levi: check ls -laSr /var/log to see which file is growing |
| 16:05.21 | RoyK | Hachya: I do indeed :) |
| 16:05.32 | Hachya | you want interfaces right? |
| 16:05.35 | RoyK | yep |
| 16:05.54 | RoyK | dpkg: tell Hachya about pastebin |
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| 16:07.13 | Hachya | lmao I know what pastebin is |
| 16:07.41 | RoyK | just for precausion ;) |
| 16:08.03 | `levi | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/994878/ |
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| 16:08.34 | Hachya | it's actually short, just has ine1: auto lo and line2: iface lo inet loopback |
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| 16:09.06 | Hachya | before that is source: /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
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| 16:09.13 | RoyK | Hachya: did you setup bridging at all? |
| 16:09.17 | a-l-e | after many years, i've tried again to add a usb printer to my debian laptop... |
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| 16:09.39 | Hachya | I did. The guest can get out fine |
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| 16:09.48 | Hachya | ping, etc. to google dns/google.com, etc |
| 16:09.55 | RoyK | `levi: better do a tail -f on messages or just check dmesg - seems something is rather bad |
| 16:10.03 | `levi | RoyK: sorry for not adding the -h hahah |
| 16:10.22 | a-l-e | arg, deleted the pastebin instead of submitting it.. |
| 16:10.23 | RoyK | Hachya: pastebin output of "ip a" |
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| 16:11.30 | Hachya | RoyK: https://pastebin.com/CVrzj00X |
| 16:11.40 | a-l-e | so, after a few years i've tried again to setup the printing on my laptop but |
| 16:11.45 | a-l-e | lpr -P HL2270DW /usr/share/cups/data/testprint |
| 16:11.46 | a-l-e | fails |
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| 16:11.56 | a-l-e | more details are here: https://framabin.org/?b8f9b3dc9cd08bab#oX9lgHYrhDTDIcYVOYm+NZCfh2Q3FB9FQikqM/HLNxE= |
| 16:12.06 | a-l-e | does anybody have a hint? |
| 16:12.32 | RoyK | Hachya: setup a bridge first, like br0 - google it |
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| 16:13.06 | Hachya | RoyK: isn't that what virbo0 is? |
| 16:13.11 | Hachya | *virbr0 |
| 16:13.28 | a-l-e | printing the test document from the cups web interface also gives me the printer as available, but nothing comes out. |
| 16:13.59 | Hachya | and if a bridge wasn't already setup, the guest wouldn't be able to get out, no? |
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| 16:14.48 | RoyK | Hachya: no, just setup a bridge and choose that devices, like br0, as the bridging device for the vm - see https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 16:14.52 | RoyK | !bridge |
| 16:14.52 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments using the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not the same on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater) and to link dissimilar topologies with the same network protocol. Ask me about <bridge setup>. |
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| 16:15.59 | RoyK | Hachya: better do this with a console in hand, since it may fail if you do something wrong and you may cut of the branch you're sitting on |
| 16:16.07 | Hachya | k |
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| 16:16.09 | `levi | RoyK: ok. I tried the tail but the output is extremely long. Should I pastebin you dmesg? |
| 16:16.26 | salvatore | Ciao! |
| 16:16.34 | salvatore | !LISTA |
| 16:16.41 | rant | bridges are also used to create a transparent firewall or monitoring/caching system |
| 16:16.44 | petn-randall | salvatore: Try !list |
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| 16:17.51 | Hachya | yeah I know what bridges are for, setup one before, just wasn't sure why I'd need to do it when networking is already working from the guest, just not the ability to access it from the host. |
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| 16:18.14 | Hachya | which is why I assumed it was something like SE or fwd/iptables |
| 16:18.22 | RoyK | `levi: pastebin dmesg, please |
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| 16:21.59 | `levi | RoyK: I can't paste it on debian.pastebin.net, it says that the request entity is too large |
| 16:22.13 | `levi | RoyK: it's probably because the output is too long |
| 16:22.51 | RoyK | `levi: just dmesg | tail -100 | pastebinit |
| 16:22.54 | RoyK | it should do |
| 16:24.16 | `levi | RoyK: http://paste.debian.net/994885/ |
| 16:24.44 | RoyK | `levi: ufw logging off |
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| 16:26.06 | CuteMeOwnThroat | hm, in strace output, what kind of open is: open(0x7fdd71d59a4a, O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3 |
| 16:26.12 | CuteMeOwnThroat | looks like a memory address |
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| 16:27.23 | jelly | open(2): int open(const char *pathname, int flags); |
| 16:27.45 | CuteMeOwnThroat | oh, seems it's a privilege thing, root gets something else |
| 16:27.57 | jelly | why did strace not dereference the *, no idea |
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| 16:29.21 | `levi | RoyK: I see. any idea why this is happening? |
| 16:29.55 | `levi | Is there something I can do to solve the issue and free the disk system disk space |
| 16:30.49 | maxzor | nvm rant got it sorted was indeed better to use up to date .deb and not the 0.15 version in repo :) thanks again is neat |
| 16:31.35 | `levi | I have set ufw logging off, but what should I do to clear the disk space |
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| 16:34.41 | jelly | dpkg, qotd299 is --> salvatore (~salvatore@151.53.60.169) has joined #debian <salvatore> Ciao! <salvatore> !LISTA <petn-randall> salvatore: Try !list |
| 16:34.41 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 16:35.07 | petn-randall | :) |
| 16:35.37 | `levi | I just removed messages, ufw.log & kern.log, RoyK |
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| 16:37.12 | jelly | aand 10 "new" quotes added to qotd0 |
| 16:37.21 | jelly | !factinfo qotd290 |
| 16:37.22 | dpkg | qotd290 -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Sun Apr 12 03:43:31 2015 (942 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by jelly at Fri Nov 27 14:46:13 2015. |
| 16:37.33 | jelly | where "new" is 2015-2017 |
| 16:38.13 | petn-randall | Yay, I'm helping \o/ |
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| 16:40.58 | RoyK | `levi: did you turn off ufw logging and restart rsyslogd/ |
| 16:41.02 | RoyK | ? |
| 16:41.31 | RoyK | data isn't freed until a file is closed |
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| 16:41.41 | `levi | RoyK: I turned off ufw logging and I deleted the logs manually with sudo rm |
| 16:42.21 | dcpc007 | hi, what is the difference between /usr/local and /opt when choosing folder to manual install via a .bin a specific software not present in repo ? |
| 16:42.25 | RoyK | then restart the syslogger |
| 16:42.43 | RoyK | dcpc007: nothing, really, except /opt/something isn't in PATH by default |
| 16:43.13 | RoyK | dcpc007: it's just files - you can put them under /hahahaha if you like |
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| 16:43.15 | dcpc007 | the install here will install a whole bunch of components ... including a tomcat/java |
| 16:43.34 | RoyK | dcpc007: what sort of system is this? |
| 16:43.41 | RoyK | !lsb |
| 16:43.41 | dpkg | [lsb] Debian is dropping LSB support; see https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ -- Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 16:43.43 | dcpc007 | yes, i know but i try to respect some standard, too bored of looking on old servers <here are the files |
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| 16:43.51 | dcpc007 | debian 7, install Atlassian Jira |
| 16:44.02 | RoyK | oh - jira |
| 16:44.16 | RoyK | iirc it needs specific versions of java et cetera |
| 16:44.23 | RoyK | just put them under /opt/somewhere |
| 16:44.33 | jelly | dcpc007: debian 7 is really old, and you want postgres 9.4 for current jira iirc |
| 16:44.33 | dcpc007 | yes, then i will have a xxx/atlassian/jira/<components> |
| 16:44.43 | dcpc007 | mysql 5.5 is ok |
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| 16:44.59 | jelly | dcpc007: atlassian recommends postgres |
| 16:45.03 | RoyK | better use postgresql |
| 16:45.05 | dcpc007 | yes but i must duplicate a current Jira install that was migrated and migrated and ... and not well configured |
| 16:45.07 | RoyK | mysql sucks |
| 16:45.12 | dcpc007 | better if you know postgres :) |
| 16:45.21 | RoyK | it's not a big difference |
| 16:45.25 | dcpc007 | here only mysql knowledge |
| 16:45.27 | dcpc007 | lol |
| 16:45.29 | jelly | dcpc007: those migrations are done using their xml export and import anyway |
| 16:45.30 | RoyK | and there's far less tuning on postgres |
| 16:45.40 | dcpc007 | no perf need crrently |
| 16:45.48 | RoyK | just use postgres |
| 16:46.07 | jelly | our jira person has migrated from oracle to oracle to postgres, and from linux to windows for the app |
| 16:46.10 | dcpc007 | mysql install and custom is one line here for me, then no |
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| 16:47.33 | dcpc007 | ha for my choice i see another thing : in my partition scheme, /opt has no lvm (then in the / FS ....), /usr/local is in the /usr FS with more space :) |
| 16:47.40 | jelly | so now the app runs on windows, and db is on debian 8 with postgres from jessie-backports |
| 16:47.56 | jelly | I'm lying. It's from jessie. |
| 16:48.03 | RoyK | dcpc007: then create an lv for opt |
| 16:48.12 | dcpc007 | baaah, tomcat on windows ... yeah :) locally they work badly, need double resources ... and nt well managed :(- |
| 16:48.16 | RoyK | dcpc007: it shouldn't be too hard |
| 16:48.20 | dcpc007 | VM already created ... :-( |
| 16:48.35 | RoyK | dcpc007: then add another disk to it |
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| 16:49.21 | dcpc007 | will be good for install in /usr/local for this test. never had to put a specific disk for a /opt, i want to limit exceptions inconfigs |
| 16:49.37 | jelly | inside a VM, keeping everything on LVM (and PV on whole disk, no partitions at all) makes things a lot simpler |
| 16:49.38 | RoyK | dcpc007: keep in mind than when allocating space for lv's, keep it low and just increase as you go |
| 16:49.50 | dcpc007 | after if all are different can't make automation |
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| 16:50.00 | dcpc007 | lol my prod servers are 60GB disk :) |
| 16:50.06 | RoyK | gives up |
| 16:50.06 | dcpc007 | can't go lower :) |
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| 16:50.33 | jelly | our VMs are 40GB by default and thin provisioned anyway |
| 16:50.39 | dcpc007 | (i'm trying to implement config/deply with salt .. ) |
| 16:50.41 | jelly | so really 40, 60, doesn't matter |
| 16:51.05 | dcpc007 | only exception is a 2nd disk for application data in a /srv/<app_name>/ |
| 16:51.14 | dcpc007 | when it's needed (not often :) ) |
| 16:51.29 | `levi | RoyK: done, thank you very much for your help! :) |
| 16:52.23 | jelly | jira stores attachments on the app server, but not much more iirc |
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| 16:52.41 | dcpc007 | haaa ok seen the difference... |
| 16:53.04 | dcpc007 | /usr/local should respect a /bin, /var, /log, /xxx structure under it |
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| 16:53.57 | dcpc007 | and /opt should have a /opt/<ap_name>/<all the files of the app> |
| 16:54.03 | dcpc007 | grrr |
| 16:55.34 | tw | i usually end up with /opt/vendor/app/* |
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| 17:00.20 | dcpc007 | i tend to avoid at max use optional app and try use the official repo ... then very few cases ... and last time really small one... first case with a big tomcat/java app |
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| 17:01.21 | dcpc007 | i try in my tiny /opt ... myabe i'll resize my template in the future, but many servers with this template ... i'll switch when migrate to debian 8-9 |
| 17:01.41 | dcpc007 | and ask disk growth (or reduce /usr to create a /opt) |
| 17:01.59 | dcpc007 | but complicated to multply the FS and keep a small size |
| 17:02.49 | dcpc007 | loooool damn java !!!!!! in the install console backspace makes ^H |
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| 17:03.30 | `levi | I can't believe I had 20gb of logs from ufw lmao |
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| 17:05.52 | dcpc007 | thx to you guys |
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| 17:29.47 | Upoufou | Hello all |
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| 17:46.21 | RoyK | Upoufou: hi |
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| 18:01.21 | polymorphisme | Hello le monde :) |
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| 18:05.16 | ddesorden | Hi freenode |
| 18:05.23 | ddesorden | visit ddesorden.neocities.org |
| 18:05.33 | ddesorden | the world and history depend yourself |
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| 18:06.06 | petn-randall | ddesorden: Spam will not be tolerated here. |
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| 18:15.10 | OtakuSenpai | hello |
| 18:15.25 | OtakuSenpai | i recently launched xfce and am new to it |
| 18:15.47 | OtakuSenpai | how do i launch a newly installed app(gui) ? |
| 18:17.34 | Upoufou | xfce is good ? |
| 18:17.56 | OtakuSenpai | so far so good |
| 18:18.15 | OtakuSenpai | just want to launch geany and some other apps |
| 18:18.16 | Upoufou | i have gnome no teste xfce |
| 18:18.25 | petn-randall | OtakuSenpai: Just launch it in the start menu? |
| 18:18.34 | RoyK | some like the mother, some the dauther, some the son etc / xkcd works well |
| 18:19.15 | Upoufou | but gnome bug with network manager -_- |
| 18:19.32 | OtakuSenpai | petn-randall: idk Launcher doesnt show it |
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| 18:20.48 | petn-randall | OtakuSenpai: Does your launcher show any apps? |
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| 18:21.05 | OtakuSenpai | yes, the ones which came with xfce |
| 18:22.43 | n4dir | You launch the apps either via applications-menu or via the command-prompt (i recall alt+F2 for the command prompt in xfce4). The applictaions menu: either click on it or launch it with alt+F1 (again: iirc) |
| 18:23.24 | n4dir | there is that thing called desktop-icons too. I never used them, but that would be another option |
| 18:23.48 | OtakuSenpai | i could like to try the desktop icons |
| 18:24.02 | OtakuSenpai | is there a way to create such? |
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| 18:24.28 | n4dir | i think you just right click on the desktop, then follow the quite natural questions. |
| 18:25.38 | Upoufou | is stable ? |
| 18:25.44 | n4dir | what? |
| 18:25.54 | Upoufou | xfce is stable ? |
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| 18:26.11 | RoyK | it is |
| 18:26.12 | n4dir | the last time i used it it was damn stable. |
| 18:27.05 | Upoufou | it's bad if when i have installed strecht i have choose gnome ? is possible to change or is complicated |
| 18:27.12 | n4dir | for the while i observed it, quite some years, they didn't tend to radical changes. I really like it. |
| 18:27.58 | n4dir | Upoufou: just install xfce4, then select it from the display-manager, probably gdm (where you enter username and password) |
| 18:28.32 | Upoufou | and for paquet who installed with gnome name like network manager ? |
| 18:28.33 | n4dir | short answer: not complicated at all |
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| 18:28.50 | n4dir | depends. You can leave them or remove them. Whatever you prefer. |
| 18:29.00 | Upoufou | ok doc |
| 18:29.30 | n4dir | they will turn up in the applications menu, which can become a little bit of a mess. But as long you don't mix kde and gnome, the mess is rather small. |
| 18:29.45 | Upoufou | i hae some probleme with gnome i can maybe change with xfcee |
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| 18:34.04 | OtakuSenpai | so |
| 18:34.19 | vvande | yeah |
| 18:34.25 | OtakuSenpai | how do i find the location of the app in question,if i know its package name |
| 18:34.41 | vvande | use "which" |
| 18:34.47 | OtakuSenpai | like the executable |
| 18:34.52 | vvande | yep |
| 18:35.06 | BCMM | OtakuSenpai: dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:35.07 | greycat | if you don't know the name of the program, use dpkg -L pkgname | grep /bin |
| 18:35.16 | OtakuSenpai | ok thnx |
| 18:35.32 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.41 | greycat | I did not say ^/bin |
| 18:35.45 | BCMM | noting that an application on linux does not really have a "location" like c:\program files\company\application\ |
| 18:36.21 | BCMM | so what you're actually getting is a list of all the files that the package has installed to various locations around the filesystem |
| 18:36.26 | vvande | yes, the "which" command just gives the location of the executable |
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| 19:02.16 | Icarus | does anyone know why dpkg-buildpackage is spitting out packages labeled "tiny"?? -and what they're for?? -i can't find any documentation on this and i been searching for like ano hour already. |
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| 19:14.43 | annadane | Icarus, it depends on what you mean and what packages but for example vim-tiny exists in order to save space |
| 19:15.10 | annadane | i actually don't know too much about dpkg-buildpackage to really comment but that's my assumption |
| 19:15.37 | Icarus | it is as literal as it sounds. dpkg-buildpackage is spitting out extra packages with "tiny" in the label. |
| 19:15.51 | annadane | yes, i gathered that |
| 19:16.24 | Icarus | like i built my own nano and i got a few packages as the result. the regular one for my arch, one "dbgsym" for symbols, and one labeled "tiny". |
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| 19:17.21 | Icarus | it happens anytime i modify my rules, optimize my flags, and build the package for anything i've tried so far. |
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| 19:27.09 | ctc | Someone here has used groupware such as egroupware or citadel? |
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| 19:30.18 | annadane | !anyone |
| 19:30.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:30.30 | n4dir | I once installed citadel and hat a quick look at it, but i doubt i will be able to answer any questions. |
| 19:30.59 | Icarus | is that a bot response?? |
| 19:31.18 | n4dir | !dpkg |
| 19:31.19 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 19:31.36 | n4dir | !dpkgbot |
| 19:31.36 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 19:32.10 | `levi | how can I set a startup application if it's not in the tweak tool applications list? |
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| 19:33.47 | ctc | was asked for a group software, currently indecisive between citadel and egroupware |
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| 19:34.58 | n4dir | well: citadel looked very good to me. But i can't compare it with anything (and i didn't really use it, i only had a look what it does and such) |
| 19:35.33 | LtL | `levi: make a .desktop file in /home/user/.config/autostart |
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| 19:36.20 | LtL | `levi: that works in gnome atleast |
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| 19:44.31 | teraflops | `levi: I suppose you're talking about gnome |
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| 19:44.56 | teraflops | because the "tweak tool" part |
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| 19:46.00 | greycat | that was my guess also |
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| 19:47.28 | teraflops | so, for gnome, you can do what LtL suggested, you can also do it system wide at /etc/xdg/autostart and even putting your stuff at ~/.xprofile (on per line) if you are using GDM |
| 19:47.40 | teraflops | one^ |
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| 19:56.53 | Uaa | hello |
| 19:57.17 | Uaa | Can you help me about gnome UI? |
| 19:58.13 | LtL | Uaa: sure, it needs work :) what else? |
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| 20:00.39 | LtL | Uaa: sorry i was joking. Ask what ever you want about debian gnome et al. |
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| 20:02.42 | StuckMojo | so, upgrading from jes to stretch...instructions say "apt-get ..." is that actually preferable to using "apt" ? |
| 20:02.52 | greycat | doesn't really matter |
| 20:03.03 | StuckMojo | ok, thanks |
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| 20:03.31 | StuckMojo | so apt-get, aptitude, and apt are all using the same underlying libs these days? |
| 20:03.46 | Hachya | I've heard more apt is preferable to apt b/c shorter |
| 20:04.00 | StuckMojo | i was an aptitude guy, until just recently when i realized plain "apt" was a thing |
| 20:04.13 | Hachya | I think I've always used apt-get until just like this month lmao |
| 20:04.15 | StuckMojo | Hachya: apt preferrable to apt? |
| 20:04.20 | StuckMojo | 14:03 < Hachya> I've heard more apt is preferable to apt b/c shorter |
| 20:04.25 | Hachya | apt-get |
| 20:04.27 | Hachya | whoops |
| 20:04.30 | StuckMojo | yeah :) |
| 20:04.34 | Hachya | like apt > apt-get |
| 20:04.36 | StuckMojo | which are you saying is better? |
| 20:04.36 | greycat | apt(8) does an automatic removal of .deb files after each operation by default; apt-get does not. |
| 20:04.37 | StuckMojo | kk |
| 20:04.39 | Hachya | typing is hard |
| 20:05.06 | greycat | apt(8) also uses hideously poor colors by default, if you happen to be using a terminal with a white background, which is the traditional default for many terminals |
| 20:05.07 | StuckMojo | greycat: meaning it does the equivalent of apt-get clean? |
| 20:05.13 | Hachya | https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ |
| 20:05.18 | greycat | StuckMojo: yes, except that it it only removes the ones that it operated on |
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| 20:05.42 | Hachya | like this one says apt also has list which apt-get doesn't, which I blv is correct |
| 20:05.43 | StuckMojo | ah. i like having the cache, it comes in handy sometimes |
| 20:06.00 | greycat | apt(8) tries to merge some of the subcommands of both apt-get AND apt-cache search |
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| 20:06.17 | StuckMojo | although for a dist-upgrade, i guess i would want it to clean after |
| 20:06.24 | StuckMojo | since so many debs DLed |
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| 20:07.07 | greycat | In the end, you choose whichever one you want. |
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| 20:07.35 | StuckMojo | i leaned on aptitude because it did a lot better job with conflicts / problems |
| 20:07.49 | Hachya | hey if you wanna type four more characters, then go right ehad |
| 20:07.53 | Hachya | *ahead |
| 20:08.00 | greycat | Some people choose aptitude, and that's fine. Just follow the release notes for actual dist upgrades. |
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| 20:08.42 | StuckMojo | well aptitude is now depricated, no? |
| 20:08.51 | greycat | Said who? |
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| 20:09.05 | StuckMojo | also, apt-get never gives you the choices of what to do for complex problems, no? |
| 20:09.16 | StuckMojo | greycat: ISTR reading that at some point |
| 20:09.19 | StuckMojo | years back |
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| 20:09.39 | StuckMojo | way to far back to remember where i got that impression (the deprication i mean) |
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| 20:10.33 | BillKGR | The only thing that I remember reading is that you should stick with one or another |
| 20:10.43 | StuckMojo | like back in the day, they pushed you hard towards aptitude |
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| 20:10.53 | StuckMojo | now it's not even installed by default |
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| 20:11.07 | Hachya | I always got the impression "aptitude" was some kind of "old version" for that reason |
| 20:11.16 | StuckMojo | BillKGR: i think now that they're both on the same underlying libs, it doesn't matter |
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| 20:11.28 | StuckMojo | back when aptitude first came out, that wasn't the case |
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| 20:12.08 | Hachya | Is, is there any non-shitty way to install a driver manager for video drivers similar to the one in mint on Stretch? |
| 20:12.16 | StuckMojo | Hachya: apt-get came first, then aptitude...around Woody or so? and now plain apt |
| 20:12.28 | Hachya | weird, could swwear apititude was first |
| 20:12.35 | Hachya | then gain, I'm bad with history/timelines |
| 20:12.47 | StuckMojo | definitely now |
| 20:12.51 | StuckMojo | s/now/not/ |
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| 20:13.10 | StuckMojo | there as no aptitude in potato AFAIK |
| 20:13.26 | StuckMojo | greycat might remember better |
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| 20:14.24 | StuckMojo | i ran sid on my desktop for about 5 years, and you know how shit breaks about once a week (packaging wise) so aptitude became my go-to then, because it was way better (meaning it actually tried) at handling conflicts |
| 20:14.49 | StuckMojo | back then apt-get would just error and tell you to eat sand |
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| 20:15.20 | StuckMojo | while aptitude gave you options, getting progressively more drastic as you said no and went to the next one |
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| 20:16.50 | StuckMojo | Hachya: that link claims Ubuntu came up with "apt"? |
| 20:16.54 | StuckMojo | that seems unlikely |
| 20:17.03 | StuckMojo | i would have ass-u-me-ed it came from deb |
| 20:17.08 | Hachya | I only really linked it for the command stuff. |
| 20:17.15 | StuckMojo | as almost everything else in ubunty |
| 20:17.20 | StuckMojo | *u |
| 20:18.55 | StuckMojo | hmm...later in the article they insinuate that apt did come from here first |
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| 20:20.13 | LtL | i recall debian usage prior to ubuntu's existence IIRC. Correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 20:20.20 | StuckMojo | Hachya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)#History |
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| 20:20.33 | StuckMojo | aptitude was made because dselect kinda sucked, apparently |
| 20:20.58 | StuckMojo | LtL: "existance" as in ubuntu itself, or "apt"? |
| 20:21.11 | LtL | StuckMojo: ubuntu itself |
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| 20:22.03 | StuckMojo | LtL: oh yeah for sure. Ubuntu is just a debian fork |
| 20:22.23 | StuckMojo | in fact, it's basically (or was in the early days) just a snapshot of Sid every 6 months |
| 20:22.34 | LtL | drives me crazy when people say debian is based on ubuntu, right it's the other way around StuckMojo |
| 20:22.35 | StuckMojo | with about 1000 packages guaranteed to be stable |
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| 20:23.08 | StuckMojo | i.e. they actually fix 1000 of them if there's issues, but the rest is just a snap of Sid |
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| 20:23.40 | greycat | Might be best to ask #ubuntu how they handle bugs. |
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| 20:24.19 | StuckMojo | they abso-fucking-lutely do not stablize the other 30K+ packages that make up debian |
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| 20:24.58 | StuckMojo | but they hit the commonly used / popular ones, and they refresh every 6 months, the latter of which was what turned a lot of people on to it and off of debian |
| 20:25.16 | StuckMojo | back when ubuntu came out, debian was suuuuuuper slow about new releases |
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| 20:25.30 | StuckMojo | IIRC there was like 5 years between potato and woody? |
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| 20:25.51 | greycat | !release history |
| 20:25.51 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 20:25.52 | StuckMojo | but once ubuntu got popular, debian accelerated their rels to keep up |
| 20:26.00 | greycat | Less than 2 years. |
| 20:26.08 | StuckMojo | ah, woody to sarge |
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| 20:26.08 | greycat | You're really not giving correct info. |
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| 20:26.13 | StuckMojo | that was the long one |
| 20:26.37 | StuckMojo | greycat: this is anecdotal / approximate |
| 20:26.41 | StuckMojo | by memory |
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| 20:26.57 | StuckMojo | not meant to be hard reference |
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| 20:27.38 | StuckMojo | well point being that there were multiple years between Deb rels, and ubuntu's are every 6 months |
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| 20:27.57 | StuckMojo | if you wanted fresh versions of stuff, back in the day you had to run Sid |
| 20:28.16 | StuckMojo | which is really a great learning experience |
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| 20:28.26 | greycat | I do not like this word, "fresh". It implies that newer versions are better in some way. |
| 20:28.45 | StuckMojo | sorry, "current"? |
| 20:28.59 | greycat | Bleeding-edge? |
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| 20:29.04 | greycat | Untested? |
| 20:29.22 | Hachya | arch-edge |
| 20:29.25 | Hachya | :D |
| 20:29.34 | StuckMojo | debians greatest strength IMHO is also it's greatest "flaw" (or user complain back in the day): it doens't change much once released |
| 20:29.59 | greycat | !stable |
| 20:29.59 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 20:30.19 | StuckMojo | so on the desktop when you wanted the newest version of say a browser or apache, you'd have to build it yourself, or find a backport, etc. |
| 20:30.30 | greycat | dpkg, stable =~ s/9.0/9.x/ |
| 20:30.30 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:30.33 | StuckMojo | but on a server, the fact that it's super static is awesome |
| 20:30.37 | StuckMojo | less crap to break |
| 20:31.03 | StuckMojo | no fear of doing a apt-get upgrade will break stuff, since it's only crash bugs and security fixes that come out |
| 20:31.12 | StuckMojo | (barring point releases of the OS) |
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| 20:32.19 | StuckMojo | most people don't understand that "stable" in debian means the system packages are stable, they don't change. not "stable" as in doesn't crash |
| 20:32.30 | StuckMojo | well, most people who don't run debian i mean |
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| 20:33.53 | StuckMojo | on a server that's your dream come true. on a desktop it could get a bit irritating when the release started to become long in the tooth. which is why i ran Sid on the desktop for a while |
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| 20:34.26 | StuckMojo | i eventually threw in the towel and now run ubuntu on my desktop and deb on all my servers |
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| 20:34.49 | greycat | Ahhhh, now the diatribe makes sense. You're an Ubuntu user trying to justify yourself. |
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| 20:35.03 | StuckMojo | LOL |
| 20:35.15 | StuckMojo | no. i only have one box running ubuntu |
| 20:35.41 | StuckMojo | and it's not a diatribe, just my impressions over the last 15 years or so |
| 20:35.49 | StuckMojo | i love debian |
| 20:36.18 | StuckMojo | nowadays i run ubuntu LTS, so i could probably switch back to Deb on the desktop |
| 20:36.31 | jhutchins | StuckMojo: Did you have a Debian support question? If so I missed it in the scrollbuffer. |
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| 20:37.00 | StuckMojo | jhutchins: yeah it was about whether to use apt or apt-get for upgrading from jessie |
| 20:37.51 | jhutchins | StuckMojo: Ah, I see that. Some releases have recommended apt-get because it has less complex dependency resolution, and aptitude sometimes got stuck. |
| 20:38.07 | greycat | Not apt-get vs. aptitude. apt-get vs. apt. |
| 20:38.21 | greycat | As I said at the start, it doesn't matter. They both use the same back-end code. |
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| 20:38.31 | StuckMojo | yeah the /msg dpkg text says apt-get, and i was curious if plain apt wasn't preferred nowdays |
| 20:38.34 | jhutchins | greycat: Right. |
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| 20:39.08 | StuckMojo | jhutchins: didn't mean to get off topic or offend |
| 20:39.23 | StuckMojo | just chattering about history while my upgrade runs |
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| 20:39.36 | jhutchins | StuckMojo: No offence. Not really a chat channel though. |
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| 20:40.11 | StuckMojo | yeah i know. no one was asking any questions though so it seemed ok, plus it was about debian |
| 20:40.16 | StuckMojo | i'll shut up now :) |
| 20:40.53 | geard | Hey everyone, I'm curious what you would suggest for controlling out of band Debian installs that you don't want to open ports on the firewall. I'm thinking a service that starts and calls a cloud instance and does a reverse tunnel so I can SSH back into the out of band instance. What are your suggestions? |
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| 20:42.47 | jhutchins | geard: Depends on your scope. You could build a local repo. |
| 20:42.52 | jhutchins | !apt offline |
| 20:42.53 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
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| 20:42.55 | StuckMojo | geard: i bet there's a package or doc or something for that. have you thought about using um.... |
| 20:43.22 | StuckMojo | there's a package that you can use to start with an installed runnign system the way you want it, and it will conver it into a cd |
| 20:43.35 | StuckMojo | to use for either live runs or installations |
| 20:43.47 | geard | jhutchins: this isn't just for managing software but functionallity as well, IE she accidentally deleted her desktop icons etc. |
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| 20:44.13 | geard | StuckMojo: sorta like a personallized knoppix? |
| 20:44.28 | StuckMojo | mkbootcd i think it was called |
| 20:44.36 | jhutchins | !live |
| 20:44.36 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 20:44.39 | StuckMojo | but it doesn't appear to still be aournd |
| 20:45.17 | StuckMojo | oops, no wrong name |
| 20:45.32 | StuckMojo | hmmm |
| 20:45.34 | jhutchins | geard: I think any kind of relay scheme would have more potential security issues than just opening a port for ssh. |
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| 20:51.42 | StuckMojo | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall |
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| 20:53.02 | StuckMojo | package might be called casper now? |
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| 20:53.31 | fmerges | hello, I upgraded to stretch and now the headphones using the jack out doesn't work... through speakers it works fine, also with a usb headphones (own audio...) any ideas on what to do? When I connect them I get to choose 'headphone' or 'headset' but neither work |
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| 20:56.20 | fmerges | any ideas? |
| 20:58.00 | jrp93 | fmerges, install linux-libre |
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| 20:59.02 | fmerges | jrp93: dont understand you. Why should I install linux libre if I have debian installed? |
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| 21:00.08 | jrp93 | It's a kernel not a distro. Fixed stuff like that for me in the past. |
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| 21:02.45 | fmerges | jrp93: i would rather get it to work with the standard debian... |
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| 22:11.43 | BCMM | fassl: when i tried, i found the installer only wanted to install grub-pc because it had been booted in BIOS mode. however, i chrooted after install and installed grub-efi that way without issues |
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| 22:15.13 | fassl | BCMM, did you run some live cd with support uefi boot and then chroot into debian? |
| 22:15.22 | fassl | *uefi boot support |
| 22:15.50 | BCMM | fassl: can't remember what live environment i used, but i don't think it would need to support uefi boot |
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| 22:16.16 | fassl | hmm, it tells me that the system does not support uefi vars, which i guess is because it is not booted in uefi mode |
| 22:16.29 | fassl | when i want to install the efi grub |
| 22:16.38 | BCMM | tbh i don't know how efi actually works |
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| 22:17.00 | somiaj | fassl: are you trying to switch a legacy boot to efi? |
| 22:17.16 | BCMM | i vaguely assumed it was sufficient to have the right files in the right place on the EFI system partition |
| 22:17.23 | fsp4rr0w | Hi |
| 22:17.26 | fassl | somiaj, i guess so, does that work? |
| 22:17.49 | somiaj | fassl: one would have to be using gtp partitions, if using mbr partition table that is an aditional change to switch to efi boot. |
| 22:17.54 | BCMM | fassl: it's possible i did use a live system with efi support |
| 22:18.08 | somiaj | BCMM: you need more than the right files on the efi partition, you also have to tell the efi firmware that those files are there to boot from. |
| 22:18.11 | BCMM | fassl: anyway, instructions if you end up needing them: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 22:18.22 | BCMM | somiaj: ah, that's the nvram thing right? |
| 22:18.25 | fassl | somiaj, i am just about to install on zfs root from the latest iso |
| 22:18.44 | fassl | would need another iso which supports uefi and i can build zfs on |
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| 22:18.51 | somiaj | fassl: when I switched my legacy install to efi, I had to create a new partition table. |
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| 22:19.05 | fassl | but in the news article it says since stretch it supports uefi boot for live isos, why didnt it work for me? |
| 22:19.28 | somiaj | fassl: partition table, not file system. zfs is just a file system. If you are not using a gtp partition table with an efi partition, you can't switch to efi boot. So this means you may need a second disk with a new partition table to switch from legacy to efi boot. |
| 22:19.30 | fassl | somiaj, i did everything in the guide, except install grub, which is the last step before booting into the installed system |
| 22:19.42 | fassl | it is gpt |
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| 22:20.16 | somiaj | provided you are using the right partition table, yo ushould be able to boot up into any efi live system and install grub-efi. |
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| 22:20.41 | somiaj | I am unsure about the live images, I dind't realize they now support efi, but traditionally if you wanted efi in debian, you wanted to use the offical installer, not the live installer |
| 22:20.46 | fassl | yes, ideally that would have been with the stretch iso i downloaded |
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| 22:21.32 | fassl | " The Debian live images now include support for UEFI booting as a new feature, too." |
| 22:21.44 | fassl | did i dd it wrongly to the usb stick? |
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| 22:22.37 | somiaj | fassl: I am unsure, since it supports both, you probably have to make sure that you actually boot into efi mode when booting. This may depend on how your firmware is configured. |
| 22:22.44 | geard | jhutchins: what security issues are you thinking? |
| 22:23.23 | fassl | somiaj, i couldn't see it in uefi mode, but probably i messed something up, i will retry it |
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| 22:23.44 | v0idpwn | Hi, again. I had some problems yesterday and couldnt install my QCA9733 driver |
| 22:23.51 | v0idpwn | What should I do, again? |
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| 22:24.27 | phenom | On boot I'm getting: WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. |
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| 22:26.02 | phenom | I have encrypted setup, it spits that warning twice, but does allow me to boot when I enter the password. Any idea what that may be? I've found a few things online but they haven't corrected the issue. |
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| 22:27.31 | fred`` | phenom : ignore it |
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| 22:29.43 | phenom | fred``, ahh |
| 22:30.02 | fred`` | :) |
| 22:30.11 | phenom | Easier said than done. But I figured that would be the "fix". |
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| 22:30.22 | fred`` | i know its hard |
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| 22:32.27 | phenom | That's an ugly,, ugly ugly warning. |
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| 22:35.08 | v0idpwn | how can I install this driver? its so weird... |
| 22:35.18 | v0idpwn | QCA9377 wireless not working |
| 22:35.30 | v0idpwn | Its a qualcomm atheros |
| 22:35.45 | annadane | is firmware-atheros installed? |
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| 22:36.50 | v0idpwn | Nope |
| 22:36.56 | v0idpwn | Fresh install |
| 22:37.38 | annadane | if you "dmesg | grep firmware" you'll probably see missing firmware |
| 22:37.49 | annadane | good first place to check |
| 22:37.59 | annadane | (as root) |
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| 22:39.26 | v0idpwn | it talks a lot about ath10k |
| 22:39.39 | v0idpwn | I downloaded it |
| 22:40.31 | annadane | you'll need contrib and non-free in your sources list, apt update, and apt install firmware-atheros, and reboot |
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| 22:45.23 | v0idpwn | Did it? |
| 22:45.25 | v0idpwn | Did it. * |
| 22:45.34 | v0idpwn | what now? |
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| 22:46.43 | annadane | okay, well, you can check dmesg | firmware again to see if it lists any other missing firmware, but it ought to work now, in theory |
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| 22:49.30 | v0idpwn | hehe i forgot to reboot |
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| 22:52.50 | v0idpwn | Still not working |
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| 22:53.12 | annadane | okay, well, what "doesn't work" about it? |
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| 22:53.49 | v0idpwn | still failing to load ath10k firmware |
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| 22:54.05 | v0idpwn | after atheros-firmware install |
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| 22:55.52 | lru | any lxd users here? |
| 22:56.23 | lru | I'm trying to get a cryptsetup disk mounted inside a lxd container, and so far every path is blocked |
| 22:56.41 | lru | even just lvm inside I can't seem to manage |
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| 23:01.13 | v0idpwn | Just copied a firmware file I found and I'm getting way less errors but still getting some ath10k related firmware errors |
| 23:02.29 | annadane | v0idpwn, sorry. i don't know why that's happening, very strange |
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| 23:22.08 | v0idpwn | annadane: thanks for ur help |
| 23:22.35 | annadane | v0idpwn, you're welcome. if nobody here answers, you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 23:23.35 | v0idpwn | If I dont solve it today I will. :) |
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| 23:28.12 | Sveta | v0idpwn: it's useful to include the error messages that you have at present |
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| 23:31.44 | annadane | ^ also that |
| 23:32.13 | v0idpwn | imgur.com/a/I4OLw |
| 23:32.19 | v0idpwn | Sorry for using image instead of text |
| 23:32.22 | v0idpwn | As I said, fresh install |
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| 23:36.38 | annadane | ahh i3 :) |
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| 23:36.53 | Paul-- | hello |
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| 23:44.47 | v0idpwn | any idea? |
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