| 00:00.08 | dTal | enzeperix: I suspect that KDE really stresses graphics drivers |
| 00:00.54 | dTal | I've recently switched to KDE and I too find it horribly unstable, but mostly only the graphical components |
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| 00:01.19 | enzeperix | @dTal idk man you might be right |
| 00:01.44 | enzeperix | i didn't customised too much , i don't have crazy shiny effects |
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| 00:03.21 | enzeperix | dTal: so you suggest changind the DE to a lighter one |
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| 00:05.53 | dTal | enzeperix: Perhaps. KDE is reeeeealy nice though, so maybe try googling your graphics drivers, see if it's a know issue / if there's a workaround |
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| 00:07.10 | enzeperix | yea that's why i picked this one i like it very much ... |
| 00:08.20 | enzeperix | and i installed the build with the non-free software packages ( i thought there will be the necessary drivers there ) |
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| 00:09.36 | enzeperix | i will dig deeper , on google about this issue , i just tought that here i will find a shourcut twoards the resolution |
| 00:10.39 | enzeperix | thanks anyway for support man , i see there is not much activity here |
| 00:10.48 | enzeperix | good night |
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| 00:38.49 | noahmg123 | Can I safely zero out my entire hard drive and then install Debian from a USB stick? |
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| 00:41.17 | braingain | noahmg123: make sure to be able to boot from it first |
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| 00:42.15 | noahmg123 | braingain: is there a possibility of me breaking the boot sector if I zero out my hard drive? |
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| 00:46.45 | braingain | you are going to null your drive, right? MBR is on the drive. Youll kill the drive, youll kill the MBR |
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| 00:52.06 | dTal | noahmg123: a drive is just a bag of bits, you can zero it just fine no worries |
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| 00:52.29 | dTal | you won't break anything and debian will install just fine afterwards |
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| 00:53.13 | dTal | you will erase any boot code that already exists, but that's alright as debian will install its own |
| 00:53.36 | annadane | right |
| 00:53.42 | annadane | i don't think booting is a prerequisite |
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| 00:56.20 | noahmg123 | Thank you. |
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| 01:00.25 | annadane | of course you don't need to zero your computer just to install debian |
| 01:00.35 | annadane | if you select entire disk it'll just wipe everything anyway |
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| 01:48.53 | foul_owl | What's a good media player that shows milliseconds? Thanks! |
| 01:52.09 | Sveta | foul_owl: avidemux |
| 01:54.33 | foul_owl | Thank you, I will try that |
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| 01:58.34 | themill | (of course you hit the frame rate pretty quickly, with (say) 40 ms per frame) |
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| 02:19.43 | tsukiyomi | currently I have debian/windows and i'm planning to install kali as well. I'm using grub as bootloader. Imagine I install kali and then i want to remove it by deleting the kali partition, will I be able to boot into debian like I normally do? |
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| 02:21.11 | Sveta | you can use 'grub-install' command to specify which partition grub bootloader is using, I think it would keep using the debian one because that's where you just put it |
| 02:22.00 | tsukiyomi | Sveta: If kali doesn't reinstall grub, yes |
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| 03:13.45 | _rubik | Is there a recommended way to setup full disk encryption POST install? |
| 03:14.37 | aedinius | _rubik: I think it needs to be done at time of filesystem creation |
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| 03:16.51 | _rubik | aedinius: Damn. That would require a full system rebuild... |
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| 03:18.06 | _rubik | I'm assuming I could use rsync to cut that time in half, but that still is a sizeable chunk of time. |
| 03:18.09 | themill | If you've got enough space you can do it post install |
| 03:19.38 | _rubik | themill: partition drive, backup locally, restore backup, expand partition? |
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| 03:21.46 | _rubik | iirc post install part disk encryption is doable, but not full disk. |
| 03:22.35 | themill | you'd normally only encrypt a partition in any case, leaving /boot outside; inside that luks container you have lvm with whatever you want |
| 03:23.07 | themill | and yeah, if you want to move / then you'd be doing it off a live CD. At some point, it's easier to reinstall. |
| 03:24.23 | Sveta | foul_owl: avidemux has some licensing issues, i'm wondering if theres an alternative, eg "vlc older version 2.0.x +addon " or package subtitleeditor also plays video with miliseconds (look at "apt search subtitle editor", I think majority of them would have this feature) |
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| 03:25.19 | _rubik | themill: so I gueess luks in-place conversion is my best bet. Could be worth a try just for experience sake. Worst case scenario I backup and rebuild. |
| 03:25.28 | _rubik | guess* |
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| 03:27.13 | themill | _rubik: depending on how much space you've got it might be more fuss than it is worth. There's certainly merit in allowing the installer to get all the steps of the config correct for you. |
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| 03:29.20 | _rubik | themill: Come thanksgiving when I have a free moment I might as well reinstall, and actually take the time to setup a decent iptable / fail2ban. Thanks for the advice! |
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| 04:44.42 | codebam | how can I install a port? |
| 04:44.46 | codebam | (package) |
| 04:45.00 | codebam | I added the ports repo to my sources.list but I get this |
| 04:45.12 | codebam | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 04:45.27 | themill | what are you really trying to do? |
| 04:45.34 | codebam | I want to install libva1 |
| 04:45.41 | codebam | because mpv is broken without it |
| 04:45.57 | themill | what release of debian is this? |
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| 04:46.09 | codebam | sid |
| 04:46.11 | codebam | unstable |
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| 04:46.46 | themill | libva1 is not in unstable and mpv in unstable does not require it |
| 04:47.19 | codebam | okay fine, but when I try to play music I get "mpv: error while loading shared libraries: libva.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 04:47.26 | codebam | which means I need libva1 |
| 04:48.02 | themill | Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libva1 mpv apt libc6; apt-cache policy"? |
| 04:48.42 | annadane | libva1 was replaced with libva2 |
| 04:49.06 | themill | annadane: libva2 does not contain libva.so.1 |
| 04:49.38 | codebam | https://paste.debian.net/995411/ |
| 04:50.19 | codebam | themill: ^ |
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| 04:50.32 | codebam | I have to go but I'll be back in like 20 mins |
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| 04:52.29 | themill | codebam: it might be that mpv is dlopening things in an odd way and just install libva2 will shut it up. |
| 04:52.47 | themill | codebam: that said, you have a sufficiently hideous mess there that I'm not going to touch it at all. |
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| 04:58.35 | annadane | my recommendation: nuke your system and start over from backups |
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| 05:35.10 | vutral | is somewhere a list what changed between stretch and buster? |
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| 05:36.51 | annadane | well, buster is only due to be released in... a year and a half-ish |
| 05:37.20 | themill | vutral: there are already about 8000 source packages that have changed between the two releases. No, no-one keeps a list of what has changed. |
| 05:37.37 | annadane | there's a https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes but there's nothing really on it |
| 05:38.40 | vutral | thx |
| 05:41.48 | annadane | basically the universal answer is "everything will change except for abandoned packages" |
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| 05:42.24 | annadane | in what direction nobody can really tell because it's highly individual to the programs though it's generic stuff like "bug fixes and more features" |
| 05:42.34 | annadane | and obviously new packages |
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| 05:43.56 | themill | there are non-abandoned packages that don't change |
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| 07:50.48 | zxd | does debian 7 use /usr/lib64 directory ? |
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| 08:05.46 | jelly | zxd: no, maybe if you're mixing releases or have leftovers? |
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| 08:09.25 | Kedor | Anyone online? |
| 08:09.32 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:09.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:40.56 | Bushmaster | hi, anyone here |
| 08:41.01 | Bushmaster | I am seeking some help |
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| 08:42.09 | n4dir | !ask |
| 08:42.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:44.24 | Bushmaster | hi thanks n4cht dpkg My Debian OS is not allowing me to log in, I put correct password for sure but it pops back to log in screen again, but if I put down wrong password, it does indicates wrong passowrd |
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| 08:45.55 | n4dir | I for one am not good with display-managers (the stuff which gives you a login screen). |
| 08:46.36 | n4dir | There are log files which might contain info about such errors (users home ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg0.log) |
| 08:47.10 | n4dir | Try to get a tty, hitting ctrl+alt+F2 (i am not sure if that still works with systemd, but i think so) |
| 08:47.17 | n4dir | if it works, try to login |
| 08:47.27 | n4dir | as user, if that doesn't work, try to log in as root |
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| 08:47.57 | n4dir | - other option: wait for someone who knows the problem or who is good with display managers ....:-) |
| 08:48.15 | n4dir | what i said is very general stuff. i doubt i will be able to help in detail |
| 08:48.48 | Bushmaster | understandable and thanks for sheding some light in it n4cht |
| 08:48.54 | n4dir | my guess is that a file has wrong permissions ... |
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| 08:49.12 | n4dir | yeah, good luck. Just post what you can achieve. |
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| 08:51.49 | Bushmaster | n4dir: I am going to take your suggestion and give it a shot shortly and try let you know |
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| 08:53.03 | crcrcr | what's glog? |
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| 08:55.59 | n4dir | apt-cache show glog (or similar) doesn't tell you? |
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| 08:58.25 | crcrcr | i don't have the package |
| 08:58.56 | crcrcr | it's glog, the google logging module |
| 08:59.12 | n4dir | apt-cache show should work anyway |
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| 08:59.49 | crcrcr | it's a depenci |
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| 09:00.02 | n4dir | probably doesn't tell you more than what you just posted (the README of slackbuilds.org sure doesn't say more ...) |
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| 09:06.00 | RoyK | Anyone that knows if there's such a thing as an suphp replacement? I want to have a way for apache (or nginx?) processes to run as the users' UID, and suexec hasn't been updated in years. |
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| 09:07.53 | jolt | RoyK: I use php-fpm and run it per user (different pools) |
| 09:08.04 | jolt | RoyK: but that doesn't do anything with nginx though |
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| 09:11.06 | RoyK | jolt: ok - any idea if there's a howto on that? |
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| 09:13.44 | RoyK | jolt: oh - does that mean I'll have to hardcode this in the config for each user/pool? |
| 09:14.36 | jelly | RoyK: you can use php-fpm with nginx but yeah, may have to generate config snippets per user |
| 09:15.16 | RoyK | hm - I wish there was something as easy as suexec |
| 09:15.26 | RoyK | or suphp |
| 09:15.28 | RoyK | that is |
| 09:15.36 | jelly | suphp is definitely dead |
| 09:16.13 | FinalX | and if it wasn't, it should've been |
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| 09:16.54 | FinalX | we still have a legacy setup, but that has a fastcgi wrapper (with a custom suexec), but everything else is going through fpm :) |
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| 09:28.46 | cybrNaut | ,v mutt |
| 09:28.47 | judd | Package: mutt on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.23-3; stretch: 1.7.2-1; buster: 1.8.3+neomutt20170609-2+b1; sid: 1.8.3+neomutt20170609-2+b1 |
| 09:29.18 | cybrNaut | what does "LTS" mean on this page? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 09:30.10 | babilen | Long Term Support |
| 09:30.20 | babilen | dpkg: lts |
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| 09:30.20 | LiuYan | Anyone tried migrating from Fedora to Debian Unstable? I'm using mate + compiz + emerald in Fedora, there's an external compiz-reload repository for debian stretch, but not for unstable. |
| 09:30.20 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:31.11 | babilen | dpkg: compiz |
| 09:31.11 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:31.20 | babilen | LiuYan: ^^^ |
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| 09:31.51 | n4dir | i couldn't think of a single window-manager which has features like compiz. plenty seems a bit like an overstretch |
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| 09:32.21 | cybrNaut | babilen: thanks |
| 09:32.29 | babilen | n4dir: I just had the same thought |
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| 09:32.51 | babilen | And compiz seems to have been ressurected also, so that factoid is a bit outdated |
| 09:33.10 | n4dir | :-) well: every now and then the bot has a tiny weird info ... |
| 09:33.28 | babilen | https://github.com/compiz-reloaded + https://launchpad.net/compiz -- Still, strikes me as a "blast from the past" |
| 09:34.08 | babilen | judd: v compiz |
| 09:34.09 | judd | Package: compiz on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1 |
| 09:34.19 | LiuYan | babilen: https://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ <-- I tested this in debian unstable, basically, it's working on compiz, but the ccsm or other GUI stuff report an python error and failed to start. |
| 09:34.22 | babilen | In fact 0.9 appears to be packages in buster/sid |
| 09:34.58 | LiuYan | babilen: yes, i notice compiz in sid, but no emerald package |
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| 09:35.19 | babilen | Is emerald still actively developed? Sorry, I haven't looked into this in years |
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| 09:35.53 | n4dir | quite a while ago i had to use emerald. Someone at forums.debian.net told me how-to, and it wasn't difficult. The info might be outdated though |
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| 09:36.34 | LiuYan | babilen: emerald seems reloaded in compiz-reloaded project too |
| 09:36.39 | babilen | https://github.com/compiz-reloaded/emerald -- doesn't look too active, but definitely not dead |
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| 09:37.27 | LiuYan | kind of like compiz + emerald |
| 09:37.31 | babilen | Looks as if that bit has just not been packaged .. might be possible to use the Debian packages for compiz and install emerald manually into a stow managed dir in /usr/local (cf. /msg dpkg stow usage) |
| 09:37.54 | n4dir | LiuYan: i would ask in #debian-next but i would sure ask that project, compiz-reloaded, if it will work with debian unstable too (well: i would probably simply give it a try ... but that is not a good advise) |
| 09:38.19 | n4dir | in addition, not instead of here |
| 09:38.35 | babilen | Well, 0.9 has been packaged for Debian and I wouldn't be too surprised if the only problem (heh) with emerald is that it hasn't been packaged yet |
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| 09:45.33 | Bushmaster | n4dir, hi, i have managed to log in to debian, following your suggeston, it helped man, thanks a lot |
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| 09:46.07 | coreGrl | hi |
| 09:46.40 | n4dir | Oh. Bushmaster. That is cool. I would have expected more problems (and mainly those i can't help with ... ). Glad it worked |
| 09:46.47 | LiuYan | n4dir: okay, i'll try #debian-next chanel, thanks |
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| 09:47.31 | coreGrl | there is a way to conenct to an already opened graphic session (xorg) from another pc? like vnc for windows I mean, but with something faster than vnc? (suppose a remove slow vpn connection) |
| 09:47.35 | LiuYan | ooops, it's needed to be invited to #debian-next |
| 09:47.54 | n4dir | it is a different server, oftc ? |
| 09:47.56 | n4dir | !next |
| 09:47.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:48.03 | n4dir | !debian-next |
| 09:48.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:49.04 | LiuYan | n4dir: okay, thanks again |
| 09:50.06 | n4dir | haven't been there for ages, but i recall the debian-next channel to be rather silent. Still chances are higher to run into someone who wants to use compiz on sid too ... |
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| 09:52.05 | Bushmaster | n4dir, it worked in a weird way, from my GRUB menu,I went to Debian and I pressed CTR+ALT+F1 and then it took me to a command mode, where I keep typing username and passowrd and it kept rejecting it until I found out that the username I was putting is not capitalize, i then return to main GUI login screen and click 'not listed' and it allowed me to manually type uysername which is bushcat and not Bushcat but thing that confused me now, i |
| 09:52.06 | Bushmaster | been using Debian for over 4 years and log in sreen always pre-selnt username as Bushcat hence i always simply typed password but this time i do not know what went wrong |
| 09:52.32 | n4dir | Bushmaster: ah. good |
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| 09:53.14 | Bushmaster | thanks n4dir |
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| 09:58.30 | gunix | what's default firewall for stretch? |
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| 09:59.31 | gunix | or, an even better question: anybody has XP in configuring nftables? |
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| 10:00.43 | n4dir | gunix: none. |
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| 10:01.38 | gunix | n4dir: none wat? |
| 10:01.56 | towo^work | none default firewall |
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| 10:11.07 | edfox | Hello! |
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| 10:12.04 | edfox | Suddently all the icons on my tray disappeared (XFCE). I thought it was a bug since it happened after an upgrade but nothing changed. I tried to delete and readd the tray plugin from the panel many times and resetting it but i still have no icons :( |
| 10:13.01 | edfox | Uh, but apparently hexchat can show an icon. It's the only software that works apparently |
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| 10:35.10 | efrahim | hi. after a reboot lightdm fails to start x. disabling display-manager service gave me a console after boot, from which startx, xinit, and lightdm only gives vblack screen with text cursor. any suggestions? |
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| 10:40.02 | ezra-s | efrahim: after a reboot.. and what happend before the reboot? |
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| 10:40.14 | ezra-s | driver change perhaps? |
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| 10:41.12 | ezra-s | everything correctly "apt-get upgrade"d? |
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| 10:41.26 | efrahim | ezra-s: no driver change. computer crashed while trying to install remmina using snap. |
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| 10:42.42 | efrahim | ezra-s: apt-get upgrade finished sucessfully after crash. |
| 10:43.06 | ezra-s | efrahim: your description seems to say you are out of window manager, which one do you use? |
| 10:44.17 | efrahim | ezra-s: Im using the mate desktop, as installed by debian installer. |
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| 10:47.14 | ezra-s | efrahim: perhaps something from mate was removed by accident before your last attempt to install remmina, worth checking if its not running even manually with startx |
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| 10:49.11 | efrahim | ezra-s: running startx gives the same problem... how do I make sure it runs mate directly and not anything else? |
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| 10:50.29 | ezra-s | efrahim: exactly, I would check /var/log/apt/history.log to see if mate packages were changed recently too |
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| 10:52.53 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: grepping for mate from that file gives nothing |
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| 10:54.27 | ezra-s | efrahim_: I would try to run /usr/bin/mate-session from .xinitrc and see what happens (for when you call startx) |
| 10:54.41 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: furthermore, there are no "(EE)" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, running dpkg-reconfigure on lightdm and xorg has no effect either. |
| 10:54.50 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: aight, will try that |
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| 10:57.38 | efrahim | ezra-s: same thing |
| 10:58.15 | efrahim | black screen w/ cursor |
| 10:58.35 | efrahim | text-cursor that is |
| 10:58.44 | ezra-s | efrahim: ohh, no mouse pointer |
| 10:59.23 | ezra-s | efrahim: perhaps better paste the whole output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and let's see what happens, preferably in a sane pastebin with no ads |
| 10:59.30 | efrahim | ezra-s: no. no mouse-pointer. sorry for not being clearer. |
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| 11:01.58 | efrahim | ezra-s: ok. I will try... having no desktop browsing/copy-pasting is problematic... |
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| 11:06.00 | ezra-s | efrahim: hold a sec, Ill show you a simple way.. |
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| 11:06.36 | ezra-s | efrahim: we use this method in #httpd -> cat pastedata | curl -F type=nocode -F paste='<-' http://apaste.info/store , To create an alias: % alias |
| 11:06.39 | ezra-s | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.57 | ezra-s | from terminal ^^^ |
| 11:07.12 | ezra-s | perhaps in this channel there is a similar way, but I'm not familiar yet |
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| 11:09.07 | NoCode | ezra-s, Ding! |
| 11:09.10 | NoCode | :D |
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| 11:10.05 | turnip | I am using luxrender for blender.There are two versions,openCL and noopenCL.What's the difference between them? |
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| 11:12.19 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: that gives me a html snippet with "301 moved permanently" |
| 11:13.40 | ezra-s | NoCode: o/ |
| 11:13.52 | NoCode | \o |
| 11:14.21 | ezra-s | efrahim_: wops , there must be a similar method using curl to post to afamouse pastebin site, don't know about another of the top of my head |
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| 11:15.59 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: I have mailed the file to someone, asking them to paste it at give me link... |
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| 11:19.39 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: apaste.info/6hMT (perhaps... lynx and links refuse to show me tha page...) |
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| 11:20.32 | ezra-s | seems "pastebinit" has the tool to do the job too |
| 11:20.44 | efrahim_ | efrahim_: oh, now I got it. yes, that is the correct paste. |
| 11:20.50 | efrahim_ | cool |
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| 11:22.03 | ezra-s | efrahim_: which graphics card do you have? |
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| 11:23.06 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: lspci: VGA ... : Intel ... you want more info? |
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| 11:23.41 | ezra-s | efrahim_: no, that's enough for now, I don't know why the heck it is defaulting to use vesa driver instead of the intel one |
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| 11:24.30 | ezra-s | efrahim_: with root terminal run this: Xorg -configure |
| 11:24.45 | efrahim_ | yeah, I saw the vesa warnings too. lspci with a bunch of -vvv gives "Kernel module in use i915" |
| 11:24.51 | ezra-s | it will create a xorg.conf file, see if it specifies intel |
| 11:25.21 | ezra-s | "Driver "intel"" |
| 11:25.57 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: yepp, says "intel" under device -> card0 driver. |
| 11:26.13 | efrahim_ | so yeah, a line "Driver "intel"" |
| 11:26.33 | ezra-s | efrahim_: fantastic, if you have "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" make a backup, if not copy the file generated into that exact path |
| 11:27.25 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: done |
| 11:27.35 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: I presume I try startx again |
| 11:27.42 | ezra-s | although your xorg output doesn't imply an error, let's see if the black window with cursos has anything to do with it |
| 11:27.55 | ezra-s | efrahim_: when you try startx make sure lightdm or such services are stopped |
| 11:28.42 | ezra-s | iirc you can always try "Xorg :1" or similar manually but still.. |
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| 11:29.43 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: that is another funny thing... to get the computer to boot to console I "systemctl disable display-manager" but then "systemctl start display-manager" gives no such service messages... so I suppose my DM is gone. |
| 11:29.54 | ezra-s | doesn't know why default Xorg conf (without conf file) defaults to vesa instead of trying to use the intel driver right away |
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| 11:30.33 | devel_ | Hello, any one managed to push opensource mta to 1m+ mails per hour? |
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| 11:32.12 | ezra-s | devel_: 277 per second, you need good hardware not just opensource mta |
| 11:32.44 | devel_ | atm 60k per h using only 3 % of 4 cores and around 50mb ram lol |
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| 11:33.15 | devel_ | cant go any further, i am stuck, and from the info on the net, postfix would perform even worse |
| 11:33.59 | ezra-s | devel_: seems like a very specific query for a distro channel, perhaps inquery in the channel of the mta you use, or in the postfix channel. |
| 11:34.12 | ezra-s | inquiry |
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| 11:34.20 | devel_ | Yeh, no people there |
| 11:34.33 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: same thing as before. |
| 11:34.37 | ezra-s | devel_: #postfix is filled up |
| 11:35.05 | devel_ | Right, but you need to registrate on postfix :D |
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| 11:39.07 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: the log now ends with a "(EE) Server terminated with error (2)", but I did not get a working console back... (whenever I try to start x, trough lightdm, startx, xinit, the coputer is unresponseive to input and I have to shut it off manually) |
| 11:39.42 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: but the computer is still functioning (eg. can ssh to it) |
| 11:40.21 | ezra-s | efrahim_: perhaps with the previous messages before that one we might get a clue |
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| 11:42.23 | CrazyTux | hello, what can we add to Debian 9 to make it easy for a linux newbie and a windows user? |
| 11:42.46 | devel_ | install kde |
| 11:42.57 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:43.12 | mr__tea | use gnome! |
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| 11:43.29 | CrazyTux | anything else that will make it easier and intuitive for a linux beginner? |
| 11:43.37 | babilen | CrazyTux: A cup of tea and some time explaining specific Linux knowledge to the new user. Hand over a printed copy of the Administration Guide also |
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| 11:44.19 | CrazyTux | ok. For someone who completely relies on GUI for most of his work? |
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| 11:45.39 | babilen | Install a browser and a (graphical) tool for package management (and ensure that security upgrades are installed) |
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| 11:46.15 | CrazyTux | babilen, please suggest a graphical tool for package management. |
| 11:46.22 | jrabe | packagekit |
| 11:46.29 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: the two lines above are about /root/xorg.conf.new being my new xorg.conf file and how to try it out. Before that, about detecting a mouse at /dev/input/mice, then three lines for loading intel and two lines saying it is disabling keyboard0 and mouse0 |
| 11:46.32 | babilen | I don't use any, but that shouldn't be too hard to figure out |
| 11:46.33 | jrabe | It's also good for them to have a rough idea of how the terminal works, in case they need to look up a command. |
| 11:46.46 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:46.47 | jrabe | They don't need to know how to use it, just that it exists and how to open it. |
| 11:47.07 | jrabe | (and that it's a powerful but dangerous tool for inexperienced users) |
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| 11:47.19 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: paste.debian.net/995434 |
| 11:47.23 | CrazyTux | can I make Debian 9 as intuitive as Mint or Ubuntu? |
| 11:47.53 | gpunk | CrazyTux I guess yes, it depends on the DE |
| 11:48.11 | CrazyTux | gpunk, which DE would you suggest? |
| 11:48.35 | gpunk | I am perso on Gnome |
| 11:48.36 | babilen | CrazyTux: What is so unintuitive about Debian as opposed to, say, Ubuntu? |
| 11:48.41 | Unit193 | I think 'synaptic' for a GUI package manager, 'gnome-software' for a software center. The latter only picks up stuff that have appstream data though, so it's much less powerful (and useful, IMO.) |
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| 11:49.23 | gpunk | gnome-software exists and is installed by default on debian |
| 11:49.31 | gpunk | synaptic too of course |
| 11:50.34 | ezra-s | efrahim_: but try to copy it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf like I mentioned earlier, not sure what error is refered in the last line |
| 11:50.57 | CrazyTux | how is Cinnamon? |
| 11:51.11 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: I did... where the xorg.conf.new message comes from I do not know. |
| 11:51.15 | gpunk | spicy |
| 11:51.16 | Unit193 | gpunk: What precisely do you mean 'by default' in this context? |
| 11:51.42 | efrahim_ | ezra-s: Thansk for the help, but I have to leave now. I be back in this channel looking for help later. thanks again |
| 11:51.50 | gpunk | Unit193 it is available out of the box, when you install task-gnome |
| 11:51.51 | ezra-s | efrahim_: but your paste says "/root/xorg.conf.new" :( |
| 11:51.57 | ezra-s | efrahim_: ok! |
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| 11:59.06 | pragomer | hi. is it safe to convert my luks/dmcrypt encrypted ext4 root partition to btrfs for beeing able to work with snapshots? |
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| 12:02.24 | matrix_architect | pragomer, sounds like a headache |
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| 12:04.46 | pragomer | i know *LOL* |
| 12:05.20 | pragomer | it just tried out suse tumbleweed functionality with btrfs and snapshots of root-partition (encrypted!) and it worked |
| 12:05.33 | pragomer | so I thought about converting my ext4 to btrfs |
| 12:05.45 | pragomer | sounds like a nightmare *lol* |
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| 12:12.13 | unchained | hey I am new on debian, and I downloaded a .dsc file it is supposed to be needed to install a sofware, but I don't know how to handle it, any help ? |
| 12:12.20 | CrazyTux | which is the most intuitive and beginner friendly DE that I can install on Debian? for those switching from Windows? |
| 12:12.29 | CrazyTux | it has to be stable, though. |
| 12:12.44 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: XFCE can be made to look pretty similar to windows |
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| 12:13.23 | CrazyTux | SirLagz, could you please provide a link to the site where that is explained? |
| 12:13.43 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: where what can be explained? |
| 12:13.46 | ezra-s | CrazyTux: MATE is intuitive for former windows users too |
| 12:14.20 | babilen | unchained: A .dsc is needed if you want to build a package, rather than install an already build one (for which you'd use a .deb) |
| 12:14.28 | CrazyTux | SirLagz, how xfce can be made easier to windows users. |
| 12:14.38 | ikonia | CrazyTux: you ask this question every week |
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| 12:14.46 | matrix_architect | CrazyTux, kde on debian |
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| 12:14.54 | rawruw | what does "toast up with the gang" mean? :P |
| 12:14.55 | ikonia | CrazyTux: you brag telling people how you are supporting beginner users onto linux, and then swap distros and desktops every 5 minutes, |
| 12:14.57 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: just set it up to look like it when you install it? |
| 12:15.03 | CrazyTux | ikonia, no. I am installing Debian for a windows user. |
| 12:15.12 | ikonia | CrazyTux: right, so thats exactly what I just said |
| 12:15.17 | unchained | allright I will find a .deb file for the install thx babilen |
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| 12:15.48 | babilen | Why is "Looking like Windows" seen as a good thing? They are different systems that behave differently, and if you imply similarity people will draw conclusions that don't necessarily hold true. My mum is happily using Linux with Gnome and finds it a lot easier to navigate than the "horribly overladen Windows" she had to use back in the day |
| 12:15.56 | babilen | unchained: What are you after? |
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| 12:16.12 | CrazyTux | ikonia, after exploring several distros I have decided to stick to a few distros. Those that are mainstream. |
| 12:16.34 | CrazyTux | and I don't intend to try any new distro now. |
| 12:16.45 | ikonia | CrazyTux: yes, you said that too, about 50 times, here you are now, asking what desktop you should install |
| 12:16.59 | CrazyTux | I am using Debian now and won't switch to other distro. |
| 12:17.31 | ikonia | CrazyTux: I don't care (personally) what you use, and you've said this before, but again, you've been uysing linux for over a year now, and you brag that you personally support "noobs" so why are you asking what desktop to install |
| 12:17.46 | CrazyTux | ikonia, yes. I asked about the various ways in which Debian 9 could be made easier to a linux beginner. |
| 12:18.07 | ikonia | CrazyTux: right, you're a beginner, so what don't you work out what you need |
| 12:18.18 | CrazyTux | ikonia, because I have used xfce mostly. |
| 12:18.27 | CrazyTux | haven't tried others much. |
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| 12:19.05 | ikonia | you've been asking about kde, gnome, unity, cinnamon for months now, so whatever, |
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| 12:19.56 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: well if you've used XFCE, just install XFCE. when they ask you for help, you'll know how to help them |
| 12:20.08 | ikonia | wisdom |
| 12:20.37 | CrazyTux | SirLagz, ok. How can I make the top panel in xfce appear at the bottom? |
| 12:20.54 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: have you even tried? |
| 12:21.03 | CrazyTux | SirLagz, no. |
| 12:21.11 | unchained | babilen I founded my software on .deb :) |
| 12:21.17 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: why don't you try and work it out first and if you need help, come back and ask |
| 12:21.24 | CrazyTux | I have been using the default settings only. |
| 12:21.29 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 12:21.34 | babilen | unchained: great |
| 12:21.35 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: you'll learn much better if you work things out yourself |
| 12:21.54 | unchained | it's now installed and works ! :D |
| 12:23.12 | CrazyTux | is there any tool like Opensuse Yast or Mageia's Control Centre that we can install on Debian 9? |
| 12:23.36 | CrazyTux | or is something like that available on other DEs? |
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| 12:24.12 | SirLagz | CrazyTux: synaptic |
| 12:24.37 | CrazyTux | SirLagz, ok. I know Synaptic. I have that installed now. |
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| 12:25.08 | unchained | if it's not on synaptic you can add repositories on sources.list I think, is it correct ? |
| 12:25.10 | matrix_architect | kde has its own software center on debian |
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| 12:25.32 | Unit193 | moun, or something like that I believe. |
| 12:25.36 | CrazyTux | does KDE have it? |
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| 12:25.57 | CrazyTux | then, I will try KDE. |
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| 12:26.30 | SirLagz | ikonia: I see. |
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| 12:26.40 | CrazyTux | thanks a lot. |
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| 12:30.45 | giirt | Hello, what is the preferred method of making a debian dist. Should I mount the .deb iso and make my changes? |
| 12:31.16 | SirLagz | giirt: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:33.01 | giirt | Just for fun. I want to make a basic debian dist where I: I want to install tor-daemon, insert firewall rules that block network access to all applications except tor-daemon and make the debian boot from CD. |
| 12:33.11 | giirt | SirLagz: Kinda like tails |
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| 12:34.25 | SirLagz | giirt: ah k |
| 12:34.25 | giirt | SirLagz: I intend to make a minimalistic tails. I plan on making a script that mounts the .iso, makes the required changes and saves the iso. Is this a common method? |
| 12:34.48 | SirLagz | giirt: you can't change an ISO file because ISO files are readonly. You'd need to build a new iso after modifying the files |
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| 12:35.13 | SirLagz | giirt: well. I should say I'm not aware on any methods to change an ISO file |
| 12:35.30 | SirLagz | giirt: the times I've done something similar, I built a new ISO from existing ISO files |
| 12:35.56 | giirt | SirLagz: Okey, thx for the info! |
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| 12:37.46 | SirLagz | giirt: nop |
| 12:37.49 | SirLagz | no probs |
| 12:38.29 | Unit193 | SirLagz: You can, it's just not exactly like that. Have to mount, unsquashfs, chroot/make changes, squashfs it, then create the iso using xorriso or something. |
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| 12:39.00 | SirLagz | Unit193: exactly what I said, need to recreate the iso, can't modify an ISO file. |
| 12:39.57 | Unit193 | Ah, way past sleep time, sorry for misreading. |
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| 12:40.03 | SirLagz | Unit193: no problems |
| 12:40.14 | giirt | Unit193: Thanks for details (y). This will be fun to try! |
| 12:40.36 | Unit193 | I was thinking from scratch, using live-build (or live-wrapper, once it's more complete.) |
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| 12:42.00 | giirt | Unit193: So, live-build can be used to make the operating system bootable directly from CD? |
| 12:42.18 | Unit193 | giirt: live-build is how you create it from scratch, yes. |
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| 12:43.52 | giirt | Unit193: Aha, great! BTW, is the unsquashfs and squashfs method the "common" approach to making dists? Does Ubuntu for example work this way when building ISOs? |
| 12:43.56 | nodiscc | giirt: i have an example live-build config if you want |
| 12:44.28 | giirt | nodiscc: I'd very much like to see your config example! |
| 12:44.40 | nodiscc | i think ubuntu uses debian-cd, i might be wrong |
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| 12:45.26 | nodiscc | giirt: https://github.com/nodiscc/dbu most of the stuff is in auto/ and config/ |
| 12:45.27 | linurandy | hello to everyone, i've problems with my wifi and bluetooth. I see networks but i can't create hotspot. I've debian 9 and I uses Network-Manager with Gnome |
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| 12:45.42 | Unit193 | Ubuntu uses 'livecd-rootfs', 'debian-cd', and 'ubuntu-cdimage'. |
| 12:46.30 | [0x9090] | hello ! , I need to upgrade me server from debian 7.11 to debian 9 ,, when I change the sources list and update it give me error |
| 12:46.56 | nodiscc | [0x9090]: please pastebin your sources.list |
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| 12:47.09 | nodiscc | and the actual error message |
| 12:47.31 | linurandy | hello to everyone, i've problems with my wifi and bluetooth. I see networks but i can't create hotspot. I've debian 9 and I uses Network-Manager with Gnome |
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| 12:47.48 | themill | [0x9090]: and you need to upgrade to Debian 8 first. |
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| 12:50.02 | [0x9090] | my sources list is the same with debian9 https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 12:50.57 | themill | [0x9090]: people what to see what you actually have not some wiki page. (and you still need to upgrade to Debian 8 first) |
| 12:50.57 | linurandy | [0x9090]: you need to upgrade to debian 8 first, for not create conflict |
| 12:52.29 | flipper8827 | been yup sense 3am pst |
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| 12:53.40 | [0x9090] | <themill> <linurandy> thanks alot ,,, I will do it , is my configuration safe while upgrade ? |
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| 12:53.58 | themill | [0x9090]: you should read the release notes |
| 12:54.18 | nodiscc | [0x9090]: i would do a backup before upgrading, just in case. something you can revert to if things go wrong |
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| 12:54.40 | [0x9090] | ok , great thanks alot |
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| 12:55.57 | rawruw | Required: parse the other modules too on failure. Requisite: return directly on fail. Sufficient: return on success. But what about running the other modules too on success without returning? |
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| 13:08.40 | linurandy | [0x9090]: in my experience debian is very stable with that type of process |
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| 13:09.08 | linurandy | hello to everyone, i've problems with my wifi and bluetooth. I see networks but i can't create hotspot. I've debian 9 and I uses Network-Manager with Gnome |
| 13:09.42 | themill | you don't create a hotspot with n-m |
| 13:10.54 | themill | ,i hostapd |
| 13:10.55 | judd | Package hostapd (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: IEEE 802.11 AP and IEEE 802.1X/WPA/WPA2/EAP Authenticator. Version: 2:2.4-1; Size: 547.1k; Installed: 1393k; Homepage: http://w1.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
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| 13:12.59 | linurandy | themill, judd: but i think is for the driver i use Network controller: Broadco |
| 13:12.59 | OtakuSenpai | hello |
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| 13:13.34 | OtakuSenpai | how do i add fontconfig's path to bashrc? |
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| 13:18.45 | OtakuSenpai | i mean is it a executable? |
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| 13:18.53 | OtakuSenpai | idk what it is |
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| 13:19.02 | OtakuSenpai | can anyone tell me? |
| 13:19.14 | OtakuSenpai | i hav it installed |
| 13:19.28 | themill | !wayttd |
| 13:19.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 13:19.50 | OtakuSenpai | im trying to compile a game |
| 13:19.57 | OtakuSenpai | and it requires fontconfig |
| 13:20.03 | OtakuSenpai | which autotools cant find |
| 13:20.09 | OtakuSenpai | even if its installed |
| 13:20.13 | OtakuSenpai | it sux |
| 13:20.15 | themill | if what is installed? |
| 13:20.25 | OtakuSenpai | fontconfig |
| 13:20.28 | themill | (real commands and real output in a pastebin?) |
| 13:20.34 | OtakuSenpai | wait |
| 13:20.49 | OtakuSenpai | http://paste.debian.net/995441/ |
| 13:20.56 | OtakuSenpai | thts the configure script |
| 13:21.05 | OtakuSenpai | you will find the error there |
| 13:21.09 | themill | and you need -dev packages to compile things, just like last time. and the time before |
| 13:21.09 | tw | Do you have the development package for fontconfig installed? |
| 13:21.18 | OtakuSenpai | idk |
| 13:21.35 | OtakuSenpai | no |
| 13:21.44 | OtakuSenpai | ok im gonna install then\m too |
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| 13:24.12 | tw | have you considered using apt-get build-dep on the packaged version of whatever you're trying to install to get the known dependencies? |
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| 13:24.41 | OtakuSenpai | tw its a build from source |
| 13:25.00 | tw | I know, but you didn't write it, so odds are good it is already packaged for debian. |
| 13:25.01 | OtakuSenpai | the game itself has its source code on github so |
| 13:25.09 | OtakuSenpai | no it isnt |
| 13:25.13 | OtakuSenpai | ,v naev |
| 13:25.14 | judd | No package named 'naev' was found in amd64. |
| 13:25.27 | tw | Ah, well, no luck there then. |
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| 13:25.52 | OtakuSenpai | thnx guys |
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| 13:52.40 | altab | hello, I accidentally deleted my /etc/crontab file so when I edit crontab (crontab-e), the file isn't saved; is there a way to regenerate an /etc/crontab file? (touch /etc/crontab doesn't work : the crontab -e content isn't saved in the file) |
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| 13:54.54 | lucioam | does anyone know about Raspberry? |
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| 13:58.32 | jelly | lucioam: are you talking about raspberry pi series of hardware platforms? |
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| 14:00.34 | jrabe | altab, check the file's permissions, should be "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root" I believe |
| 14:00.55 | linuxthefish | hi, is there any way to search apt for packages that contain a file? |
| 14:00.57 | jrabe | i.e. 644 and root-owned |
| 14:00.59 | linuxthefish | i'm looking for libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
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| 14:01.25 | jelly | dselect: confmiss |
| 14:01.25 | dselect | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 14:01.30 | jelly | altab: ^^ |
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| 14:02.01 | jelly | altab: /etc/crontab comes with package named: cron |
| 14:02.28 | jrabe | linuxthefish, openssl? |
| 14:02.41 | jelly | linuxthefish: that one has not existed since debian 6, squeeze, so you need squeeze sources (and the package name was libssl0.9.8) |
| 14:03.15 | jelly | dselect: squeeze sources.list |
| 14:03.16 | dselect | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 14:05.01 | linuxthefish | jelly is there any way to search for the package? https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages doesn't have squeeze anymore |
| 14:05.16 | jelly | linuxthefish: add squeeze sources and use apt-file |
| 14:05.49 | linuxthefish | won't that mess stuff up? i thought mixing sources from different versions was not allowed |
| 14:07.42 | jelly | adding sources for NEWER releases is vrey problematic. Older, less so |
| 14:08.15 | lucioam | jelly: yes |
| 14:08.31 | jelly | linuxthefish: even then, adding sources does not do damage. Installing stuff does |
| 14:08.37 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell linuxthefish about apt-file |
| 14:08.48 | jelly | CuteMeOwnThroat: she's dead, Jim |
| 14:08.52 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, test |
| 14:08.52 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:09.07 | jelly | dselect, tell CuteMeOwnThroat about msg the bot |
| 14:09.13 | CuteMeOwnThroat | jelly, ð |
| 14:09.24 | CuteMeOwnThroat | revival successful |
| 14:09.45 | CuteMeOwnThroat | wtf was that for |
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| 14:11.32 | linuxthefish | hmm apt-file gives me libcryptopp.so.6 but no libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
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| 14:13.07 | linuxthefish | ah nvm i manually copied |
| 14:13.39 | likcoras | YOu can also search for files with judd in here, btw. |
| 14:13.46 | likcoras | ,file libcryptopp.so.6 |
| 14:13.50 | judd | Search for libcryptopp.so.6 in stretch/amd64: libcrypto++6: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcryptopp.so.6 |
| 14:14.51 | linuxthefish | ,file libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 14:14.55 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:14.59 | linuxthefish | ,file libssl.so.0.9 |
| 14:15.03 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:15.06 | linuxthefish | ,file libssl.so.0 |
| 14:15.10 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:15.12 | linuxthefish | ,file libssl.so |
| 14:15.16 | judd | Search for libssl.so in stretch/amd64: libssl-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so; libssl1.0-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so |
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| 14:15.34 | likcoras | linuxthefish: it works if you PM judd too. |
| 14:16.59 | linuxthefish | hmm it keeps wanting to use debian sid repo, should i remove temporarily? |
| 14:19.16 | jelly | linuxthefish: what "keeps wanting"? |
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| 14:20.04 | jelly | linuxthefish: judd does not care about squeeze any more, it doesn't know about any archived release |
| 14:20.36 | linuxthefish | ah it's ok i solved now! |
| 14:20.42 | linuxthefish | thanks guys |
| 14:20.46 | linurandy | i'm really can't understead why i can't create hotspot with Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
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| 14:26.18 | giirt | https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#388 gives a brief explanation on how to include GPG keys when configuring Live Systems, but I can not figure out exactly how the key should be included. The key I want to include can be found here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en#packages |
| 14:26.55 | giirt | Have anyone experience with including gpg-keys to live-boot? |
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| 15:04.17 | Wulf | giirt: nope, but shouldn't be hard. |
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| 15:04.28 | Wulf | giirt: include how and why? |
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| 15:04.50 | Wulf | ah, for apt repos |
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| 15:06.23 | Wulf | giirt: there are hook scripts |
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| 15:07.10 | Wulf | config/hooks/live/ |
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| 15:17.57 | dcpc007 | Hi all |
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| 15:19.10 | dcpc007 | to get the total size of file modified <30days in a big repo, do you see better (more efficient) than a "find -mtime | ls -l or du -k | awk with SUM on size field" ? (millions entries) |
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| 15:19.41 | b-04 | hi to all :) |
| 15:19.43 | b-04 | I just created a cron that runs every 30 minutes, is there a way to force the execution to run now? |
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| 15:20.21 | b-04 | I mean, let's run from the crontab list |
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| 15:20.36 | b-04 | force to run crontab list |
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| 15:23.43 | jelly | b-04: no. You can add a copy of the same job and change time so that it runs next minute+1 |
| 15:24.38 | jelly | (why not next minute? Because next minute cron daemon only notices a crontab file was changed, and runs any new job only a minute after that if it's scheduled then) |
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| 15:28.21 | cymen | Since it is apparently rather common these days to ask people to add a repository to add I was wondering if there is any sort of access control that I can impose. |
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| 15:28.43 | cymen | Is it possible for example to restrict the google chrome repository from replacing my gcc. :) |
| 15:28.58 | jelly | sadly no |
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| 15:29.53 | jelly | might be able to do something with pinning, but that'd be a kldge |
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| 15:35.32 | jelly | cymen: even if you could, installation scripts for all packages run as root |
| 15:35.58 | jelly | but it might still be a nice feature |
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| 15:39.08 | aetheryxes9514 | hello, I'm trying to install a font on my raspbian system (so I hope I'm in the right place)? |
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| 15:39.37 | aetheryxes9514 | I followed the guide listed here (https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts) but I can't get my font to appear in lxappearance |
| 15:39.46 | aetheryxes9514 | and it is not recognized by any other programs |
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| 15:41.41 | cymen | jelly: good point, so it makes no sense |
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| 15:42.30 | jelly | it does, but not really for security purposes, more to avoid accidental damage |
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| 15:44.01 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 15:44.01 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 15:44.10 | jelly | dselect: raspbian |
| 15:44.10 | dselect | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 15:44.22 | aetheryxes9514 | Thank you! |
| 15:45.17 | b-04 | jelly: thanks man :) |
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| 16:24.44 | jim | jelly, huh? wha??? someone's dead, jim?!! |
| 16:27.09 | jelly | heh |
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| 16:29.49 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it happens ^^ |
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| 16:30.41 | CuteMeOwnThroat | sum ar moar dedd then otters |
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| 16:56.08 | cymen | sudo apt install afl afl-clang afl-cov |
| 16:56.12 | cymen | y |
| 16:56.50 | CuteMeOwnThroat | this is not a shell |
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| 16:58.28 | cymen | til |
| 16:58.39 | cymen | if you enable group all in terminator it will group even different windows :o |
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| 17:02.27 | vutral | someone noticed systemd needing like 11GB of ram? |
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| 17:03.35 | jelly | vutral: on its own? that'd be a bug |
| 17:04.06 | vutral | yes on its own |
| 17:04.15 | jelly | no, haven't noticed anything similar on debian 8 or 9 |
| 17:04.37 | n4dir | nor have i ever heard of it |
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| 17:06.24 | jhutchins | Mine's using 0.1% of 4G, so around 4K. |
| 17:06.50 | jhutchins | 40K? Decimal ponts don't want to line up this morning. |
| 17:07.18 | vutral | i just read it often happens when systemd fails to start something ^^ |
| 17:07.27 | vutral | it just keeps growing |
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| 17:07.34 | vutral | its a serious bug |
| 17:08.02 | tharkun | Good $DAY is there an aditional way to copy an iso image into a usb drive? |
| 17:08.25 | vutral | dd if=iso.img of=/dev/usbdrive |
| 17:10.03 | jelly | vutral: which debian release is this? |
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| 17:10.37 | jelly | tharkun: in addition to cp blah.iso /dev/sdx; sync, or what? |
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| 17:11.38 | jelly | vutral: pastebin the output of "top -o %MEM |head -n 17; dpkg -l dpkg libc6 systemd\*|grep '^.i'" |
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| 17:12.23 | jhutchins | tharkun: You can use pretty much any copy program if you copy directly to the unmounted device. |
| 17:12.37 | vutral | jelly, i have rebooted now |
| 17:12.42 | jhutchins | tharkun: There are also linux versions of programs like unetbootin if you want handholding. |
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| 17:13.55 | jelly | caveat |
| 17:13.56 | jelly | !unetbootin |
| 17:13.57 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:14.02 | jelly | dselect: unetbootin |
| 17:14.02 | dselect | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 17:18.55 | Hela | hola vatos |
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| 17:23.14 | jelly | vutral: good for you. Still, which debian release is this and which version of systemd and systemd-sysv package? |
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| 17:24.48 | vutral | debian stretch |
| 17:24.54 | vutral | how do i get the version of systemd ? |
| 17:25.28 | Scrutinizer | systemctl --version |
| 17:25.59 | vutral | systemd 235-2 systemd-sysv 235-2 |
| 17:26.11 | greycat | or, dpkg -l systemd systemd-sysv | grep ^ii |
| 17:26.35 | greycat | or grep ^.i just in case you have one of them on hold |
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| 17:27.10 | greycat | vutral: any chance your 235-2 is truncated by screen width? |
| 17:27.11 | jelly | 235-2 looks cut off or unlikely old |
| 17:27.19 | jelly | ,v systemd |
| 17:27.20 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 234-3~bpo9+1; buster: 235-2; sid: 235-2 |
| 17:27.54 | jelly | vutral: or you're not running stretch, in which case all bets are off |
| 17:28.28 | jelly | found a bug in testing/unstable? Great! Report it so it gets fixed |
| 17:28.58 | tharkun | jelly: precisely, I've allways used dd but I recalled a comment that used cp. Thanks |
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| 17:29.06 | tharkun | jhutchins: Thanks |
| 17:29.15 | vutral | hm |
| 17:29.21 | jelly | tharkun: install guide says cp |
| 17:29.36 | vutral | is it possible dist-upgrade is incomplete? |
| 17:30.03 | greycat | vutral: you've gone *past* stretch. you're running unstable or testing. |
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| 17:30.21 | Scrutinizer | Stretch has 232 |
| 17:30.48 | vutral | oops |
| 17:30.51 | vutral | i ran dpkg in a chroot |
| 17:30.52 | vutral | ^^ |
| 17:30.54 | jelly | vutral: you have a package version from testing or unstable. Having it installed means you're not running stretch any more |
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| 17:31.57 | tharkun | jelly: New install guide ;P old one recommended dd </discussion> |
| 17:32.19 | jelly | tharkun: if jessie is new, then yes |
| 17:32.27 | jelly | (hint: jessie is old) |
| 17:32.32 | greycat | dd and cp both copy bytes from one place to another. |
| 17:33.46 | jelly | greycat: they may copy bytes in the end, but they make write() of various sizes and dd defaults can make for a very slow very write-amplified attack on a cheap usb stick |
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| 17:34.11 | jelly | which is probably why i-g does not recommend it any more |
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| 17:38.15 | grandfso | Dear all, is there a simple way to run a Debian Live USB from a Fully encrypted partition on the USB? So that before the bootloader asks which system to boot, I would like to be asked for a password to unlock the partition. |
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| 17:38.28 | grandfso | I tried several guides so far, but no joy. |
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| 17:39.03 | buu | Can I set the bridge_port on a bridge to another bridge? |
| 17:39.27 | grandfso | I found one guide that is like 30 steps long but it was published like 7 years ago, so not sure if it is still relevant |
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| 17:40.17 | n4dir | what is the point to encrypt if it is a live ? |
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| 17:41.25 | grandfso | n4dir: my bad i Mean encrypted persistent live USB |
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| 17:42.40 | grandfso | The idea is I would like to have a carry a system with some tools on me, which I can run anywhere. I might loose the usb stick, and this is not acceptable :) |
| 17:42.46 | n4dir | ah, got you |
| 17:43.25 | n4dir | another wild thought, if in doubt ignore: just install to the usb-stick instead of using the liveCD? |
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| 17:46.20 | grandfso | n4dir: this could work, if I am able to encrypt the entire drive after/before the installation and then unlock it pre-boot. Not sure how to tacle this one though. |
| 17:46.54 | n4dir | i assume that it works just the way like an encrypted installation to hard-disk does. |
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| 17:47.35 | n4dir | you boot, get grub screen, choose it, get asked for the decrypt passwords, etc ... |
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| 17:48.41 | grandfso | If this is really this simple... Then please kill me. I was googling specifically for live persistent encrypted usb |
| 17:48.55 | grandfso | n4dir: will try this in the evening |
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| 17:49.17 | n4dir | don't take my word for it. I for one am confident enough to give it a try. |
| 17:49.47 | vutral | ii systemd 232-25+deb9u1 amd64 system and service manager |
| 17:49.47 | vutral | ii systemd-sysv 232-25+deb9u1 amd64 system and service manager - SysV links |
| 17:49.56 | n4dir | the one problem i sure see: you must be able to make the according devises boot from stick |
| 17:50.21 | grandfso | which devices do you refer to ? |
| 17:50.42 | n4dir | wherever you want to use it. A PC, a laptop,etc. Where you stuck the usb-stick in |
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| 17:51.50 | jelly | vutral: right, consider filing a bug report anyway so you get the right info next time it happens |
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| 17:52.49 | grandfso | n4dir: ah, sure you're right |
| 17:53.28 | grandfso | I have the feeling that most consumer machines have auto-select boot nowadays.. But your right |
| 17:53.43 | n4dir | i was a bit unclear. My point was: i think or hope it is rather easy. |
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| 17:54.35 | n4dir | when installing to usb-sticks and use them outside i think i also had the problem that it was not (for example) /dev/sdb on the remote. But it's been ages. Perhaps UUID might help, but i am talking over my head here. |
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| 17:56.33 | grandfso | n4dir: I am going AFK now, but will report in case of success / failure |
| 17:57.17 | n4dir | good luck. |
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| 18:09.34 | Epx998 | Does d-i preeseed/late_command work in the squeeze/wheezy releases? |
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| 18:16.39 | tw | preseed late_command works for me in squeeze, I can only assume it works in wheezy. |
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| 18:26.03 | AlexZion | Hi everyone, I have a virtal server with debian 8, I would need to install php5-ffmpeg on it but it doesn't found any package, I already installed ffmpeg itself but how to install the php module ? |
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| 18:27.37 | bitlan_ | hello, how i can add esfq module for debian 9 with 4.9.0-4-amd64 kernel ? |
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| 18:27.42 | jhutchins | AlexZion: Which release are you on? |
| 18:27.50 | jhutchins | ,v php |
| 18:27.51 | bitlan_ | i never add any modules to kernel, |
| 18:27.52 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.0+54; sid: 1:7.0+56 |
| 18:28.02 | jhutchins | ,v php5 |
| 18:28.03 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 18:28.10 | jhutchins | ,v php5-ffmpeg |
| 18:28.11 | judd | Package: php5-ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.6.0-2.2 |
| 18:28.25 | obbardc | hey guys, got a foreign buster arm64 chroot in a buster amd64 system. it's getting stuck on "apt-get update" at 0%. sources.list is filled, and chroot has web access. Any ideas? |
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| 18:29.08 | jhutchins | obbardc: You should check to see that you can reach the repos you have configured manually. |
| 18:29.25 | jhutchins | obbardc: You should check for disk space as well. |
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| 18:29.48 | obbardc | jhutchins, just main debian repos. disk space got 1GB free to chroot & have installed the qemu binary |
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| 18:31.17 | AlexZion | jhutchins: I'm on Debain 8 stable release |
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| 18:35.35 | jhutchins | !dmm |
| 18:35.35 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 18:36.03 | jhutchins | I personally have had great results from DMM, though I'm not currently using it. I believe they have php5-ffmpeg. |
| 18:36.07 | rawruw | I am editing /etc/pam.d/passwd and I'm wondering what effect the auth type has here? Nothing is really happening when I'm adding that |
| 18:36.49 | jhutchins | AlexZion: It seems like there was some struggle regarding the maintenance of fmpeg and related packages during the jessie era, but they seem to have gotten over it. |
| 18:36.56 | jhutchins | AlexZion: http://www.deb-multimedia.org |
| 18:37.20 | jhutchins | AlexZion: Or you could upgrade to Stretch and php7, which has significantly improved performance. |
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| 18:39.24 | AlexZion | thanks jhutchins, i'll give a view to deb-multimedia.org, for now would be nice to use it on" jessie" |
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| 18:47.03 | AlexZion | jhutchins: I didn't found any info on php5-ffmpeg in deb-multimedia.org, so if I'll upgrade to PHP 7 I'll have some php-ffmpeg to use ? |
| 18:48.13 | teraflops | AlexZion: http://php.net/manual/en/migration70.incompatible.php worth a look |
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| 18:50.48 | AlexZion | thanks teraflops, all my development should be just ready for PHP 7 but I'll give the link a deeper view |
| 18:51.22 | teraflops | np |
| 18:51.49 | AlexZion | teraflops: but what about ffmpeg in php7, do you know if is available ? |
| 18:52.02 | teraflops | np idea tbh |
| 18:52.05 | teraflops | no^ |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only php ffmpeg |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | wooledg:~$ |
| 18:52.32 | greycat | whatever it is, it's not in stretch by this name |
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| 18:59.32 | f-a_ | hello. My mother uses "geary" to read emails (and gnome3 as a DE). Is there anything to display "3 unread emails" on the top bar? (the black one, where date/wifi/battery is) |
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| 19:00.42 | RedSoxFan08 | f-a_: I believe there is. Though I actually use Thunderbird because it's more full-featured. In fact, I'm actually typing this in Thunderbird. |
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| 19:01.25 | RedSoxFan08 | f-a_: Here's something: https://packages.debian.org/buster/mail-notification |
| 19:01.47 | RedSoxFan08 | f-a_: I found that by using the !deb bang in DDG. |
| 19:03.08 | teraflops | f-a_: maybe there's an extension at https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 19:03.09 | f-a_ | ohhh |
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| 19:04.34 | AlexZion | ok, I just saw that was a path problem of ffmpeg, it doesn't need php5-ffmpeg, so I fix the path and it works great |
| 19:04.44 | f-a_ | thanks teraflops and AlexZion |
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| 19:05.16 | teraflops | np, there is a lot of good stuff at https://extensions.gnome.org/ anyway |
| 19:05.41 | teraflops | â¦if you do gnome, obv |
| 19:05.52 | RedSoxFan07 | f-a_: teraflops: Yeah, there are a bunch of extensions there which provide notification of new emails. I just don't know if they all still work - sometimes development on certain extensions stops without anybody important being notified. |
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| 19:06.44 | RedSoxFan07 | teraflops: But yeah, the ones I found on the Debian site are more universal. I like Gnome, but I also like how light XFCE is and how much faster it is on older hardware than Gnome. |
| 19:06.52 | teraflops | I guess so, but maybe between gnome releases |
| 19:07.25 | teraflops | RedSoxFan07: ah true if deboian packages the extensions you need you better go with them I suppose |
| 19:07.30 | teraflops | debian^ |
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| 19:11.12 | noahmg123 | Debian actually detects my 2-in-1s hinge and accelerometer. However, while it disables the keyboard in tablet mode, it does not disable the touchpad. Is there a way to make it also disable my touchpad? |
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| 19:13.06 | teraflops | maybe udev rule |
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| 19:13.16 | teraflops | good luck btw :P |
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| 19:16.24 | noahmg123 | udev rule, can you elaborate please? |
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| 19:17.12 | noahmg123 | teraflops: ^ |
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| 19:19.09 | teraflops | when you disconnect e.g lappy from dockstation or from keyb an udev eevnt is triggered and you can run actions |
| 19:19.39 | teraflops | you put them at /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 19:20.58 | teraflops | it was a very very simple explanation |
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| 19:21.31 | noahmg123 | Ah ok. Thank you. |
| 19:22.13 | teraflops | I meant event not eevnt |
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| 19:29.20 | efrahim | Hi, is there a way to search for which packages (package *version* in particular) (in testing or backports) that have a certain bug resolved? (bug in question: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=863532) |
| 19:29.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/863532 in xorg-server (open, newcomer, upstream): «xf86WaitForInput timeout regression»; severity: important; opened: 2017-05-28; last modified: 2017-10-25. |
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| 19:32.44 | jelly | efrahim: the graph on top right shows which version(s) got the fix if any |
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| 19:37.11 | efrahim | jelly: oh, cool. I did not see that one. Thanks. |
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| 19:38.34 | jelly | and apparently no package with a fix was released, so far |
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| 19:45.26 | obbardc | hey guys, got a foreign buster arm64 chroot in a buster amd64 system. it's getting stuck on "apt-get update" at 0%. sources.list is filled, and chroot has web access. Any ideas? |
| 19:47.04 | ChmEarl | obbardc, use pbuilder |
| 19:47.26 | efrahim | jelly: There are several things that are confusing me now... 1. there is no "xorg-server" package... I guess it is reffering to "xserver-xorg-core" 2. The last reply under that link says fix is in testing (Buster) 3. ... aaah, the red dots/bubbles means that they are still affected versions |
| 19:47.38 | obbardc | ChmEarl, I am not using the chroot to build packages :) |
| 19:47.43 | ChmEarl | obbardc, it has support of qemu-debootstrap |
| 19:48.08 | ChmEarl | obbardc, ok, not building |
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| 19:50.09 | Doxin | So my network connection keeps getting interrupted, even though the connection is fine. doing /etc/init.d/networking restart fixes it for about 5 minutes. what's going on? |
| 19:50.37 | buu | wired? |
| 19:50.39 | Doxin | yep |
| 19:51.10 | Doxin | seems to affect new connections more than existing ones, although on this other irc channel I keep pinging out |
| 19:51.34 | Doxin | *network |
| 19:53.10 | Doxin | just had to restart it again. |
| 19:54.05 | Doxin | so any debugging I can do on this because it's driving me insane |
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| 19:55.20 | petemc | Doxin: does the link drop? it should be logged in dmesg if it does |
| 19:55.42 | petemc | Doxin: you could also use tcpdump/wireshark to see what is happening to the connections |
| 19:55.56 | Doxin | petemc: I don't think so. None of the software seems to notice anything off until it starts timing out |
| 19:56.14 | Doxin | I mean I can run wireshark but that's a lot of traffic for an indeterminate amount of time |
| 19:56.32 | Doxin | I'll do that when it happens again |
| 19:56.45 | petemc | its easy to filter by connection in wireshark |
| 19:57.31 | Doxin | petemc: sure but which connection do I filter on? :P |
| 19:57.46 | petemc | one that timed out |
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| 20:03.23 | Doxin | petemc: no packets show up in wireshark at all |
| 20:03.25 | Doxin | which is weird |
| 20:04.09 | petemc | Doxin: try tcpdump -i eth0 -w foo.pcap , adjust interface to suit |
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| 20:04.34 | Doxin | petemc: will do as soon as its going on again |
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| 20:05.07 | petemc | its usually better to get stream from initial handshake |
| 20:05.22 | Doxin | petemc: I made sure I started a new connection |
| 20:05.27 | petemc | ok |
| 20:05.40 | Doxin | petemc: I don't have tcpdump and installing it like this isn't going to happen I'm pretty sure |
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| 20:12.10 | Doxin | petemc: either I'm getting very unlucky or running pcap fixes the problem temporarily too |
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| 20:13.39 | Doxin | petemc: right, managed to capture /something/. next up? |
| 20:14.07 | petemc | right click a packet, follow stream |
| 20:14.44 | Doxin | petemc: how do I with a pcap file? |
| 20:14.51 | Doxin | nvm got it |
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| 20:16.35 | Doxin | petemc: so now I have a giant packet dump open in wireshark. how do I find anything even remotely relevant? |
| 20:17.02 | petemc | are you having problems browsing websites? |
| 20:17.16 | Doxin | yes, and irc is being all wonky too |
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| 20:17.38 | Doxin | petemc: filtering by http only finds successful requests |
| 20:17.43 | Doxin | and only one as well |
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| 20:18.33 | petemc | if you remember what timed out, you can search fora string inside packets |
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| 20:18.52 | petemc | assuming it wasnt encrypted |
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| 20:19.08 | Doxin | I doubt it, it never even managed to redirect to https |
| 20:19.10 | Doxin | petemc: I'm unfamiliar with the filter syntax, how would I go about that? |
| 20:20.20 | petemc | ctrl f , change type to string |
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| 20:21.13 | Doxin | petemc: I'm finding a bunch of dns queries with no answer |
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| 20:21.45 | Doxin | (I think) |
| 20:22.01 | petemc | i generally focus on tcp streams |
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| 20:22.33 | Doxin | petemc: no TCP packets found at all for the site I was trying to visit |
| 20:22.59 | Doxin | oh if I search by details it finds it |
| 20:23.02 | petemc | you could try turning off tcp protocol dissection and looking again |
| 20:23.05 | petemc | ok |
| 20:23.14 | Doxin | seems to go all fine in the packet dump |
| 20:23.31 | petemc | it ends with a FIN > |
| 20:23.33 | petemc | ? |
| 20:23.46 | Doxin | yep |
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| 20:24.28 | Doxin | petemc: the tricky thing is this is very intermittent, so I know I have one successful request in this capture as well |
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| 20:25.26 | petemc | i often leave tcpdump running for a while |
| 20:25.43 | Doxin | petemc: so I can get even more noise into my capture? |
| 20:25.49 | petemc | which you then filter |
| 20:25.53 | Doxin | petemc: I'm having trouble finding anything relevant as-is |
| 20:25.55 | petemc | or use a capture filter initialluy |
| 20:26.05 | petemc | s/uy/y/ |
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| 20:26.20 | Doxin | petemc: I've got a capture with at least one bad request in it. running the capture for longer isn't going to help much |
| 20:26.31 | petemc | which bad request? |
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| 20:26.40 | Doxin | a request to imgur.com which timed out |
| 20:26.53 | Doxin | but there's also at least one request to imgur.com in there which did work |
| 20:27.16 | petemc | can you find them or not? |
| 20:27.20 | Doxin | petemc: I can't seem to find the bad one at all. |
| 20:27.30 | petemc | but you just said.. |
| 20:27.35 | Doxin | I mean I can see a bunch of dns requests that fail |
| 20:27.40 | Doxin | and I can find the working request |
| 20:27.58 | Doxin | in case you hadn't noticed: I'm not very good at wireshark. |
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| 20:28.49 | petemc | i told you how to search for a string |
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| 20:29.11 | Doxin | petemc: and I am searching for imgur |
| 20:29.16 | Doxin | and the result is one requests |
| 20:29.19 | Doxin | which is successful |
| 20:29.26 | petemc | so you do not have a capture of a bad request |
| 20:29.38 | Doxin | petemc: the capture was running during the bad request |
| 20:29.44 | Doxin | as it was previously |
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| 20:32.22 | Doxin | petemc: I think it's going wrong during name resolution which wont show up as tcp stream. |
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| 20:33.17 | petemc | try using different nameservers then, like googles 8.8.8.8 |
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| 20:34.27 | Doxin | petemc: if I can't reach the nameserver on my modem I doubt I can reach 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:34.47 | mspo | is your nic losing carrier? |
| 20:35.09 | Doxin | mspo: nope. link light was on when this all was going on yesterday |
| 20:35.25 | Doxin | frantic blinkies on the activity led too, but that doesn't mean much |
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| 20:35.44 | mspo | Doxin: dmesg show anything? |
| 20:35.49 | mspo | is dmesg still a thing? |
| 20:35.54 | petemc | of course |
| 20:35.59 | annadane | very much yes |
| 20:36.14 | mspo | it wasn't changed to dmesystemdctlg? |
| 20:36.26 | mspo | someone better open a feature request :) |
| 20:36.33 | mspo | Doxin: are you on a cable modem? |
| 20:36.34 | Doxin | bunch of "[ 2412.589278] device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" because of packet captures |
| 20:36.43 | mspo | yeah before that |
| 20:36.50 | Doxin | not much else of relevance as far as I can see |
| 20:36.54 | mspo | eth0 lost foo |
| 20:37.08 | Doxin | nope |
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| 20:37.22 | mspo | Doxin: I like to ping my default gateway in a screen |
| 20:37.33 | mspo | Doxin: that way I can see if I can lead-up latency to an outage or if it's sudden |
| 20:37.33 | Doxin | mspo: it's unreachable when this happens |
| 20:37.44 | Doxin | I can run a ping I guess |
| 20:37.56 | mspo | Doxin: are you on a cable modem? |
| 20:38.17 | Doxin | mspo: nah, ADSL, and the modem is not the issue since this is the only computer having the issue |
| 20:38.24 | mspo | oh okay |
| 20:38.25 | mspo | good test |
| 20:38.51 | mspo | Doxin: have you rebooted? is the nic using a kernel module? |
| 20:39.08 | Doxin | mspo: yeah I had the same problem 3 days now, and I reboot every day |
| 20:39.30 | mspo | Doxin: ran memtest? :) |
| 20:39.40 | Doxin | no? |
| 20:39.54 | Doxin | I've got better things to do that have my memory crap out on me :P |
| 20:39.59 | Doxin | *than |
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| 20:40.28 | mspo | could be hardware |
| 20:40.39 | mspo | have you tried wireless instead? |
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| 20:40.56 | Doxin | mspo: I have no wireless |
| 20:41.04 | Doxin | I mean it /is/ the NIC on a $30 motherboard, but then why does restarting the networking work? |
| 20:41.07 | mspo | a different nic? a new cable? |
| 20:41.37 | Doxin | haven't got either of those, and pulling a new cable through the walls is a bit of a last resort thing |
| 20:41.39 | mspo | idk look at what restarting the network does |
| 20:41.55 | mspo | does it drop carrier and bring it back up? |
| 20:41.55 | Doxin | presumably it puts the interface down and back up |
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| 20:45.54 | jhutchins | Doxin: Reloads some of the components as well. |
| 20:46.15 | jhutchins | Doxin: Try moving the cable to a different port on the router. |
| 20:46.19 | Doxin | okay so I think it's actually just the dns server being wonky |
| 20:46.27 | jhutchins | Doxin: Is the cable in good physical condition? |
| 20:46.31 | Doxin | ping has been going uninterrupted while everything is going wrong |
| 20:46.41 | Doxin | jhutchins: I mean the clip is broken off, but it's not work at all |
| 20:47.14 | jhutchins | Doxin: Could be it's not seating properly. New cable might be just the thing. |
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| 20:47.59 | jhutchins | Doxin: So might a $5 card. |
| 20:48.22 | Doxin | jhutchins: I'm not getting cable-like symptoms at all |
| 20:48.31 | Doxin | jhutchins: and the stores are closed right now in any case |
| 20:48.59 | mspo | I have a usb nic and usb wireless in a drawer somewhere around here :) |
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| 20:49.06 | jhutchins | Doxin: You could verify that it's not the cable by swapping the cable by swapping with another machine. |
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| 20:49.39 | Doxin | jhutchins: wouldn't you expect link to go down in the bad-cable case? |
| 20:49.53 | Doxin | jhutchins: and the closes machine is down a set of stairs and the cable isn't /that/ long |
| 20:49.55 | jhutchins | Doxin: Nope. That's only one pair. |
| 20:50.29 | Doxin | jhutchins: well wouldn't you still expect a bunch of dropped packets to a fixed ip? because I'm getting 0% packet loss to the gateway |
| 20:50.33 | lroe | Is there a way for UFW to print the current rule set in such a way UFW can ingest it? |
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| 20:51.17 | jhutchins | Doxin: I've given you a couple of ideas to try. I think you're looking for nosmoke.exe (look it up). |
| 20:51.44 | Doxin | jhutchins: I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve twiddling my thumbs until the weekend |
| 20:51.54 | Doxin | jhutchins: it's most definitely not a cable problem |
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| 20:52.03 | Doxin | jhutchins: and I can't check a NIC problem till its weekend |
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| 20:52.18 | Doxin | jhutchins: and in any case the symptoms point to a janky dns server. |
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| 20:53.01 | petemc | that wouldnt cause irc to time out |
| 20:53.34 | Doxin | petemc: agreed, but it's on a russian network that sometimes likes timing you out anyways, in which case the not-reconnecting seems about right |
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| 20:53.56 | Doxin | anyways I added a couple backup dns servers, lets see if that'll help |
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| 20:57.04 | Doxin | petemc, jhutchins: thanks for the help though |
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| 20:58.14 | petemc | np |
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| 20:59.42 | jhutchins | Doxin: Yeah, switch to google dns is what most people do. Sounds like it might very well be the network. Switching ports on the router could help though. |
| 21:00.04 | Doxin | mhm |
| 21:01.34 | Satou | Hello guys, i did a clean install of debian 8.9, installed i3wm and it seems to have a lot of glitches, i don't know yet if it's because of graphics drivers or i3, http://i67.tinypic.com/24w6gjk.png |
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| 21:03.34 | AlbaLupus | hi, I cannot ping my server after reboot. I'm chrooting from rescue image now. What should I check? |
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| 21:04.39 | jhutchins | AlbaLupus: Logs. |
| 21:04.43 | fearnothing | ok, let's try this again since I had no luck yesterday |
| 21:04.55 | jhutchins | AlbaLupus: dmesg, journalctl. |
| 21:04.59 | fearnothing | I'm having major troubles with the only x11 app I use, it has stopped rendering all text |
| 21:05.07 | fearnothing | https://serverfault.com/questions/883152/virt-manager-no-longer-renders-text |
| 21:05.21 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Did you try cygwin? |
| 21:05.41 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Did you try another app that renders text? |
| 21:05.54 | fearnothing | jhutchins - I don't have any others that I know of. What would you suggest? |
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| 21:06.25 | mspo | xfontsel? |
| 21:06.44 | jhutchins | Not sure what might be common. Titlebar text is rendered by the local server iirc... |
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| 21:06.58 | mspo | maybe run fc-cache or something? |
| 21:07.00 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Is the titlebar legible (I don't remember) |
| 21:07.18 | fearnothing | as for cygwin, do you think that is likely to provide information that ssh -Y from a linux box did not? |
| 21:07.24 | fearnothing | and yes the titlebar is legible |
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| 21:07.43 | fearnothing | mspo - fc-cache was suggested yesterday, didn't help |
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| 21:08.01 | jhutchins | mspo: He's forwarding a single graphical application from a headless server to xming, and after an update the font quit rendering, box-with-question-mark glyph instead of each letter (us_en). |
| 21:08.15 | fearnothing | well, I'm assuming it was an update |
| 21:08.19 | mspo | so the font is totally corrupted |
| 21:08.19 | fearnothing | I don't know for sure |
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| 21:08.40 | mspo | or the app changed to utf8 and broke it |
| 21:08.43 | jhutchins | mspo: All we know is that the font is no longer rendering. |
| 21:09.00 | jhutchins | mspo: UTF-8 is pretty standard. |
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| 21:09.18 | mspo | fearnothing: any idea what font is not rendering, specifically? |
| 21:09.23 | mspo | fearnothing: and can you run xfontsel? |
| 21:09.30 | AlbaLupus | jhutchins: No journal files were found. |
| 21:10.10 | fearnothing | mspo: I don't know how to verify this, but all the blog posts I've found referencing similar issues said it was one of the dejavu fonts |
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| 21:10.44 | fearnothing | aha, yes |
| 21:10.51 | fearnothing | xfontsel works, and the text renders |
| 21:11.19 | AlbaLupus | dmesg dont show anything unusual |
| 21:12.15 | fearnothing | there are a number of dejavu fonts listed in xfontsel |
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| 21:12.20 | fearnothing | they all seem to render correctly |
| 21:12.48 | fearnothing | so that would suggest it's something specific to virt-manager's method of accessing the font yes? |
| 21:13.03 | fearnothing | assuming that it is indeed a dejavu font |
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| 21:17.46 | AlbaLupus | any other ideas? |
| 21:18.03 | mspo | it is a python app using gtk, looks like |
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| 21:20.12 | mspo | which means pango, right? |
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| 21:23.52 | mspo | can you do a GTK_DEBUG or --gtk-debug ? |
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| 21:25.56 | fearnothing | mspo - me? Possibly but I'll have to look up how |
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| 21:27.48 | fearnothing | I've tried running it with its --debug option but I can't seem to redirect the output to a file |
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| 21:29.13 | fearnothing | ah wait, that's because I had the params in the wrong order |
| 21:29.46 | mspo | I mean gtk debug specifically but try anything |
| 21:30.15 | fearnothing | yeah, just reading how to do that part |
| 21:30.49 | mspo | you could also start it with a custom GTK profile? |
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| 21:31.47 | mspo | what's another pygtk app to try? |
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| 21:33.11 | fearnothing | no errors regarding the font in the debug output |
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| 21:33.58 | AlbaLupus | Cannot ping server, nothing suspicious in logs. Chrooted from rescue image. What else should I check? |
| 21:34.35 | fearnothing | hmm |
| 21:34.54 | fearnothing | so when I run this with GTK_DEBUG=all, I get GTK+ Inspector |
| 21:35.04 | AlbaLupus | iptables are flushed |
| 21:35.11 | fearnothing | and interestingly, the fonts for GTK inspector are also not rendering |
| 21:35.21 | fearnothing | so this might be an issue at the gtk level |
| 21:36.03 | mspo | https://github.com/Programmica/python-gtk3-tutorial/blob/master/_examples/fontchooserdialog.py |
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| 21:37.52 | fearnothing | most fonts seem ok there |
| 21:38.10 | mspo | man idk :) |
| 21:38.12 | fearnothing | Droid Sans ones don't seem to work |
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| 21:38.41 | Unit193 | Droid" Wasn't that replaced by noto? |
| 21:38.45 | mspo | I was just looking for simple python gtk stuff |
| 21:38.57 | mspo | virtmanager is python2, though |
| 21:39.06 | fearnothing | good point |
| 21:39.09 | fearnothing | maybe it's a py2 issue |
| 21:39.16 | fearnothing | python |
| 21:39.19 | fearnothing | erm |
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| 21:39.29 | fearnothing | ok let's actually be in a terminal next time I do that :) |
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| 21:39.30 | mspo | that same program (or a very very similar one) would probably work under python2 |
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| 21:40.56 | fearnothing | aaaand here we see... that all the fonts work as expected |
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| 21:42.22 | fearnothing | this is confusing as hell |
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| 21:46.55 | fearnothing | thanks for your time anyway mspo |
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| 21:50.58 | fearnothing | ah mspo |
| 21:51.07 | fearnothing | I need to revise an earlier statement |
| 21:51.40 | fearnothing | fontchooser does NOT render fonts correctly |
| 21:51.52 | fearnothing | when I tested it I was testing in the wrong window :( |
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| 21:52.21 | fearnothing | ooookay |
| 21:52.25 | fearnothing | so let's try that again |
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| 21:52.27 | fearnothing | mspo, you there? |
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| 21:53.38 | fearnothing | I need to issue a correction mspo. Gtk fonts are all broken |
| 21:53.49 | fearnothing | when I tested fontchooserdialog, I tested it wrong |
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| 21:54.32 | fearnothing | (i.e. on a duplicate of the main system, which is not broken. It remains broke on the main one) |
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| 22:19.44 | tomodachi | has anyone used nftables in here? I just can't get dnat to work even following the examples on the wiki |
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| 22:20.00 | tomodachi | it's driving me crazy, starting to suspec it's some kind of bug , crazy right? |
| 22:21.16 | Sveta | it'd be nice to have more details without requiring someone to say 'yes i used nftables before' |
| 22:21.58 | annadane | !not working |
| 22:21.58 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:24.57 | SwK | eli5 why eth${SOMENUMBER} wasnt good enough? |
| 22:25.01 | tomodachi | Sveta: im trying to simply portforward two ports to another host through my machine using nftables |
| 22:25.21 | tomodachi | tcpdump tells me that the packets reach my machine with nftables, but they never go anywhere else :( |
| 22:25.45 | tomodachi | Sveta: in my prerouting chain i have " iif "eth0" tcp dport { https, http} dnat to 10.0.0.3 " |
| 22:26.03 | SwK | is nftables a wrapper for iptables? |
| 22:26.08 | Sveta | it is a bit bad that you highlighted me in these lines, makes others think i'm helping you |
| 22:26.11 | Sveta | which i am not |
| 22:26.44 | tomodachi | guess im just desperate :=) |
| 22:26.51 | SwK | if so you'll still see packets that are getting blocked in tcpdump (or any other libpcap based tool) as libpcap hooks the wire side of the firewall not the inside of it |
| 22:26.56 | tomodachi | I have been at it for days , its not a wrapper a replacement |
| 22:27.26 | SwK | if it just replaces in the kernel where iptables hooks in, then you'll most likely still see the packets for the same reason |
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| 22:28.26 | teraflops | tomodachi: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862318 â related? |
| 22:28.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/862318 in nftables (closed): «nftables: dnat host from host:port is ignored»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-05-11; last modified: 2017-10-17. |
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| 22:29.15 | teraflops | ,v nftables |
| 22:29.17 | judd | Package: nftables on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.7-1; buster: 0.8-1; sid: 0.8-1 |
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| 22:32.31 | SwK | so when pxe booting |
| 22:32.43 | SwK | whats the correct place to add net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 into the pxe configs? |
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| 22:33.37 | tomodachi | teraflops: yeah I noticed that , but excluding the :port and the dst ip popped up , might still be related , thnx for the link! |
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| 22:35.14 | teraflops | np, tried with version 0.8-1? |
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| 22:36.06 | tomodachi | teraflops: hmm I'm on debian strech , but cant seem to find a newer version of nftables |
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| 22:36.16 | tomodachi | im on 0.7-1 |
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| 22:37.26 | teraflops | judd: checkbackport nftables |
| 22:37.27 | judd | Backporting package nftables in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 22:39.39 | tomodachi | ah so I would have to add a backports repo to get it , k thnx I will have to try this at a later point , im running a remote host where the "fw" is running as a vm on a xen hypervisor if I need a new kernel as I suspect i would need to upgrade that as well |
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| 22:40.23 | teraflops | tomodachi: no that's a trivial check for backporting it yourself |
| 22:42.48 | tomodachi | i will experiment with it on another host , that is less "sensitive" anyway thanks a lot for your help |
| 22:43.17 | teraflops | np, good luck |
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| 22:50.03 | xcvb | test |
| 22:50.07 | n4n0` | test |
| 22:50.30 | xcvb | i have two monitors plugged into a vid card, and two empty ports on mobo |
| 22:50.39 | xcvb | what do i need to use them |
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| 22:50.52 | xcvb | if possible |
| 22:51.12 | n4n0` | pci ? |
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| 22:52.17 | xcvb | the card? yes, im pretty sure |
| 22:52.44 | SwK | I think he's asking waht are the empty ports |
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| 22:53.13 | teraflops | maybe your mobo already ships igpu |
| 22:53.40 | xcvb | mobo and card have each one dvi and one blue.... rgb?? |
| 22:53.51 | xcvb | i forget the standard blue db15 |
| 22:54.00 | SwK | I know my mobo has the onboard GPU, i also have a quad port displayport card in it, I use all 6 monitor ports on it |
| 22:54.04 | n4n0` | VGA? |
| 22:54.10 | xcvb | yeah vga |
| 22:54.22 | teraflops | xcvb: anyway if you have 2 gpus you'll have to run 2 xorg instances |
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| 22:54.49 | xcvb | hmmm, okay interesting |
| 22:55.06 | xcvb | i should probably have my mobo model or something |
| 22:55.12 | teraflops | yeah :P |
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| 22:55.57 | SwK | anyone pxe booting a pile of machines? |
| 22:56.19 | SwK | for installations that is |
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| 22:57.18 | Sveta | SwK: someone does this. why do you ask? |
| 22:57.53 | SwK | yeah I know someone does... trying to figure out a good way to have it ask for the preseed file automagically and have it ask for it by mac |
| 22:58.08 | SwK | the docs on this that I can find are about as clear as mud |
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| 23:00.38 | xcvb | if i have video ports on the mobo, isnt that a giveaway that i have onboard video? |
| 23:00.44 | xcvb | is igpu the same as onboard video? |
| 23:01.43 | SwK | xcvb video ports on the mobo unfortunately is a clear giveaway that the mobo supports it, but depending on when that mobo was made there were a lotta CPUs that may or may not have had the onboard GPU that could be on it |
| 23:02.43 | xcvb | okay, the mobo is M3A76-CM |
| 23:02.44 | xcvb | im not sure what info to look for next |
| 23:02.54 | SwK | what CPU is on it? |
| 23:03.28 | SwK | then go look up your mobo and CPU combination and see what GPU support they have |
| 23:04.44 | xcvb | anything else? |
| 23:04.46 | xcvb | and if the cpu mobo support my gpu, then i can use all four portS? |
| 23:05.17 | SwK | possibly but like teraflops said you still may have to run 2 xorg instances to get it all working |
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| 23:10.00 | SwK | ok any preseed/pxeboot experts wanna make a little coin msg me |
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| 23:16.14 | gunix | guys, how do you configure highly available nfs server on debian? |
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| 23:24.18 | fearnothing | ha, solved my issue |
| 23:24.23 | rawruw | what's the order of calls to two pam_unix modules in a row in a pam-config? they seem to be processed not each one until they're done, but the control seems to jump between them back and forth. |
| 23:24.29 | fearnothing | somehow, libgtk-3-0 was not installed?! |
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| 23:24.45 | fearnothing | in any case, doing 'apt-get install libgtk-3-0 seems to have resolved the problem |
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| 23:25.43 | somiaj | fearnothing: what package wasn't working without libgtk-3-0? |
| 23:26.29 | somiaj | provided you didn't have a broekn package (packages that don't meet their depends), if a package needs libgtk-3-0 it should correclty depend on it (otherwise it is a bug). Though this only applies to debian packages, not third party software. |
| 23:27.04 | fearnothing | virt-manager wasn't rendering fonts |
| 23:27.23 | fearnothing | but I don't understand why it would even launch at all if libgtk-3-0 wasn't installed |
| 23:27.43 | fearnothing | would have thought that a gtk app would kind of depend on having gtk installed |
| 23:27.49 | somiaj | fearnothing: what version of debian? |
| 23:27.52 | fearnothing | jessie |
| 23:28.12 | somiaj | are you using packages from jessie, or have you mixed some jessie-backports into the situation? |
| 23:28.33 | fearnothing | I may have backports in sources.list, let me check |
| 23:29.05 | fearnothing | yeah backports is in there |
| 23:29.28 | somiaj | might be an issue with backports, because virt-manager depends on gir1.2-gtk-3.0 which depends on libgtk-3-0, so you shouldn't be able to have virt-manager installed without libgtk-3-0 (unless you had your system in some broken state) |
| 23:30.02 | fearnothing | somiaj - I don't know exactly, I know it was working 3 weeks ago, and that the only things I could remember doing that might have been related were updates via apt |
| 23:30.50 | somiaj | fearnothing: well glad you figured it out, from what I see about the packages in jessie, this should not have happened, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some depends bug. |
| 23:31.16 | somiaj | as to why your system was in such a state, I do not know. jessie-backports can sometimes mess with things. |
| 23:32.56 | fearnothing | yeah, I am wondering whether apt-get autoremove might have gotten overzealous perhaps |
| 23:33.22 | fearnothing | don't know how it identifies things that can be removed |
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| 23:38.42 | somiaj | fearnothing: virt-manager depends on libgtk-3-0 and so even autoremove wouldn't have removed it. |
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| 23:39.14 | somiaj | maybe you somehow got your system into a broken state, though apt -f install should fix that |
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