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| 00:03.47 | rant | Ilyas: wget -O sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/995986 for standard Debian Stretch sources list with binary/source internet repos including contrib & non-free and a sid sources line for doing SSB |
| 00:05.33 | somiaj | Ilyas: I find Gtk really noise about its warnings. |
| 00:05.43 | somiaj | in many cases I find no affect |
| 00:05.56 | Ilyas | oh, ok. I really had no idea when choosing a GUI |
| 00:06.01 | Ilyas | I think I picked cinnamon |
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| 00:06.07 | rant | yes pretty much any gtk/qt app you run from a terminal will output those kinds of messages |
| 00:06.18 | Ilyas | rant: SSB ? |
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| 00:06.47 | rant | Ilyas: simple sid backport.. its what you'd do if you needed to make your own backport.. |
| 00:07.11 | somiaj | Ilyas: Gtk is a widget set, I get lots of warnings from it and don't even use a de |
| 00:07.23 | rant | Ilyas: you could comment out that and any of the deb-src lines to make it update package cache faster and only uncomment as needed |
| 00:08.06 | Ilyas | I'm unfamiliar with the concept "backport" |
| 00:08.14 | Ilyas | sorry, I must sound like a moron :/ |
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| 00:09.32 | rant | Ilyas: backports is to get newer versions of packages in a stable distro.. you may not know it yet but if you're looking to get into programming you will likely want to do backports at some point and that sid line is so you can make your own if one doesnt already exist |
| 00:10.01 | Ilyas | ah |
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| 00:10.33 | Ilyas | so thats making new code available in an "older" environment/os/release/etc ? |
| 00:11.45 | rant | Ilyas: yes as you may have gathered ours is a "dependancy based" system where packages depend on libraries and such they use.. no errors like "you must install .NET 3.0 framework" in debian, it does this kinda thing automatically |
| 00:12.08 | rant | Ilyas: a backport takes the new code and compiles it against the old libraries in your system so its compatible but still newer code |
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| 00:12.28 | Ilyas | what if the code somehow doesn't work? because its too new ? |
| 00:12.48 | rant | Ilyas: in that case you'd have to backport the various dependancies as well |
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| 00:13.08 | rant | Ilyas: which could break your system so its safer to use a chroot |
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| 00:19.41 | Ilyas | okay, one final thing for now, I installed vim, but when I try to use the mouse right-click to paste text, it changes modes |
| 00:19.46 | Ilyas | any quick way to fix that ? |
| 00:20.00 | rant | yeah use a different editor :P |
| 00:20.06 | rant | can't stand moded editors |
| 00:20.18 | rant | my editor only needs an edit mode |
| 00:21.14 | rant | Ilyas: try middle click see how that works |
| 00:21.47 | Ilyas | ah, my vm froze again >_< |
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| 00:57.08 | Soni | how can I automatically torrent all debian torrents? |
| 00:58.04 | Soni | is there a shell script I can run to automatically fetch new debian torrents and start them so I can help seed them? |
| 00:58.30 | Soni | or do I have to do it manually? |
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| 01:27.08 | thebestnewb | Under Jessie I was able to turn on usb tethering on my android phone, plug in a usb cable and acquire entire by doing `dhclient usb0` but I can't seem to do that under Stretch -- I get 'Cannot find device "usb0"'. I don't recall if I had to install a package for that. Can anyone help? |
| 01:27.23 | thebestnewb | "acquire entire" -> "acquire internet" |
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| 01:52.54 | rant | in my experience you didnt need to do that you just plugged the phone in and n-m would connect to the internet |
| 01:53.27 | rant | but checking dmesg after plugging the phone in would be the first thing I'd do |
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| 02:07.42 | rant | Soni: if you give me one sec I can give you a one-liner |
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| 02:30.24 | stoned | hello, how come my file open box looks like boxes? https://i.imgur.com/qAjvkei.jpg |
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| 02:30.51 | stoned | I am unable to read thigns. |
| 02:31.00 | stoned | Unintelligable boxes |
| 02:31.13 | stoned | It just randomly happened when I rebooted one time. |
| 02:31.30 | annadane | stoned, is this on stretch? |
| 02:31.35 | stoned | Jessie. |
| 02:31.55 | annadane | and this is on which program? |
| 02:32.13 | stoned | web browser chrome from google chrome official respository, stable version. |
| 02:32.25 | stoned | It always worked fine, I never updated anything, no apt updates |
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| 02:32.36 | stoned | Then one time it did this and wont' go away |
| 02:33.01 | stoned | Everything else in chrome works fine, just file open box has boxes |
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| 02:54.07 | rant | Soni: wget -r -np -e robots=off -A torrent http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/ |
| 02:54.34 | rant | dpkg mirror torrents is wget -r -np -e robots=off -A torrent http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/ |
| 02:54.35 | dpkg | okay, rant |
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| 02:56.23 | Soni | bleh |
| 02:57.29 | rant | Soni: that will download all the CD torrents from a given mirror, kernel.org is good as any |
| 02:57.57 | Soni | why not just provide an RSS feed :/ |
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| 03:01.40 | kingsley | How can I check if the new version of the "udev" package I just installed is actually running? |
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| 03:02.31 | petemc | md5sum? |
| 03:03.00 | rant | Soni: idk.. there may be a better way, but not that I know of |
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| 03:07.46 | rant | stoned: looks normal to me.. you're probably just too high to read :P |
| 03:08.13 | rant | stoned: seriously though, have you tried the standard troubleshooting of either trying a diffeent user or moving the dotfiles out of the way? |
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| 03:08.42 | rant | to rule out a local config issue |
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| 03:44.26 | Shmam | Trying to get libinput to work. When i type "libinput" into console, it says no command found. I do have libinput-gestures working fine though so not sure what happened there. Running Debian 9, KDE, x11 |
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| 03:46.52 | Shmam | I want to set the tap_drag action to disabled |
| 03:49.25 | Shmam | Also how do I install something from here? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?name=xorg-xinput |
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| 03:57.09 | Shmam | Hello? :? |
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| 03:59.27 | annadane | Shmam, well, i don't know the answer to your first question; to the second, you shouldn't just install things meant for arch in debian |
| 03:59.40 | annadane | Shmam, if no one answers you you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:59.58 | Shmam | yea but they dont have a link for libinput on debian |
| 04:00.03 | Shmam | >_< |
| 04:01.19 | Shmam | also do you know how I can check what version I have installed? |
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| 04:01.56 | innmalint | does anyone run steam on debian testing? seems the install disappeared and does not start after re-install |
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| 04:09.30 | Deviance | /amsg Retweet if you give a damn about your internetz. https://twitter.com/Hunterkll/status/930982627691114496 |
| 04:10.31 | annadane | innmalint, |
| 04:10.34 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 04:10.34 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:12.16 | annadane | Shmam, probably "libinput --version" or "libinput-gestures --version"; what you can do if you really want is download the source from arch and build it from source - https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable see "building from source" |
| 04:12.24 | annadane | that's if it's not already in debian |
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| 04:12.28 | annadane | ,v libinput |
| 04:12.29 | judd | No package named 'libinput' was found in amd64. |
| 04:12.38 | annadane | let me check the packages section |
| 04:14.01 | kingsley | Why would neither "dlocate -S " nor "apt-file search " report which package has the file "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdc1394.so.22.2.1"? |
| 04:14.10 | annadane | Shmam, libinput-gestures is not a package in debian |
| 04:14.30 | Shmam | yea i installed that and built from a git repo |
| 04:15.21 | annadane | according to https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libinput&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all there's libinput5 and libinput10 |
| 04:15.21 | Shmam | also how would I go about disabling middle mouse click? |
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| 04:15.44 | annadane | Shmam, in general? probably depends on your de/wm |
| 04:15.58 | Shmam | oh something in kde? |
| 04:16.01 | annadane | oh, kde |
| 04:16.07 | annadane | mouse settings i guess |
| 04:16.20 | Shmam | most of the options in there are greyed out sadly |
| 04:16.25 | Shmam | frickin lib input |
| 04:16.51 | annadane | anyway, if you just got stuff from git then it may not work properly |
| 04:17.15 | annadane | i wouldn't really know, not much experience with it, but if there's debian packages for libinput i would just use those rather than git |
| 04:17.20 | Shmam | no it works fine. this is a separate prob that I have just fixed |
| 04:17.58 | Shmam | Also how do I run a command when my laptop boots up? Should I use cron or something else? |
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| 04:18.50 | annadane | depends on the command, i guess. you probably want to use cron |
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| 04:22.19 | annadane | cron or bash script |
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| 05:16.21 | foo | I'm getting this ssh error trying to connect to a server: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host - here's verbose output: https://bpaste.net/show/95855f435b37 - I don't believe this is client-side. Anyone have any two cents here? |
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| 05:18.30 | themill | got something in /etc/hosts.deny on the server? |
| 05:18.57 | foo | themill: I don't have server access, I can relay that, though |
| 05:19.39 | Unit193 | Perhaps fail2ban got you? |
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| 05:21.12 | themill | foo: neither of those ssh versions are Debian ones though, so there's probably some other place that can better help |
| 05:22.20 | foo | Unit193: I've received this message upon every connection |
| 05:22.26 | foo | Unit193: Unless it's just being very aggressive, heh |
| 05:22.39 | foo | themill: perhaps. Although, this is a server running debian. Sure, I'm running a mac. |
| 05:22.48 | foo | ... well, I think it's running debian |
| 05:22.54 | foo | Unless I was misinformed |
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| 05:23.58 | themill | doesn't look like it |
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| 05:24.05 | foo | thanks for the heads up |
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| 05:24.41 | themill | (well, it might be some ancient and unsupported version... I don't recall which release had openssh 5.3 in it) |
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| 05:25.30 | mrdside | hi, people |
| 05:25.37 | foo | themill: thank you |
| 05:25.48 | mrdside | i need help with Wacom One CTL-672 |
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| 05:30.29 | foo | themill: heh, you're right - this must be something else. I thought these guys were all debian... traders. I'll have to knock them on this |
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| 05:55.01 | gladioacuto | hi there |
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| 05:56.27 | annadane | gladioacuto, hi |
| 05:56.57 | gladioacuto | resuming from hibernation hangs stretch on my thinkpad X1 carbon, forcing me to reboot or letting Xorg crash and restart. I suspect the problme lies on Xorg, but not sure. Please take a look at those many suspicious lines in /var/log/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/996007/ |
| 05:57.09 | gladioacuto | any help would me appreciated |
| 05:57.15 | gladioacuto | would be |
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| 06:02.10 | annadane | i don't know but it requests you to file a bug report and send an email :P |
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| 06:16.45 | mrdside | After plug in tablet don't see any new device in /dev/input. |
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| 06:23.24 | Moana | Hello |
| 06:23.33 | Profound | Hi Moana |
| 06:23.55 | Moana | Hello I am really confused how do I use this chay |
| 06:23.57 | Moana | chat |
| 06:24.19 | Moana | Hello! |
| 06:25.05 | gladioacuto | annadane, I submitted bug with reportbug, but got no ID for the bug so I cannot trace it...how to check if it was correctly submitted? |
| 06:25.05 | cq1 | I created an encrypted partition on an external drive using cryptsetup |
| 06:25.10 | cq1 | oops, hit send too soon |
| 06:25.28 | Moana | hi what's going on here |
| 06:26.06 | annadane | you leaving before i can answer your question |
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| 06:26.22 | cq1 | I created an encrypted partition on an external drive using "cryptsetup luksFormat". I presume that all I need now to open that encrypted partition is just the passphrase I set? As in, it didn't store any additional key material somewhere in /etc or something, and I have to make sure to not lose the drive I was running off of when I ran cryptsetup? |
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| 06:27.06 | annadane | gladioacuto, i'm not sure. realistically it may not be a bug and in any case we didn't solve/address your problem so we don't know if it's a bug or not |
| 06:27.10 | annadane | may just be a stock message |
| 06:27.13 | annadane | i was half joking anyway |
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| 06:39.02 | Masina | Yes what does Debian Linux do? |
| 06:39.36 | Masina | Hello us anyone around? |
| 06:39.53 | Masina | What does this freenode Web IRC do? |
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| 06:40.48 | preaction | you're doing it |
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| 06:42.04 | Masina | What is this place? kinda cool but weird |
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| 06:42.37 | annadane | hi Masina, debian is an operating system |
| 06:42.56 | annadane | freenode is a server, and #debian is a channel within that server |
| 06:42.58 | Masina | Yeah hi annadane, yes I know that |
| 06:43.11 | Masina | You mean is like a group chay |
| 06:43.13 | Masina | chat |
| 06:43.16 | annadane | yep |
| 06:43.19 | annadane | for support questiona |
| 06:43.21 | Masina | Where we all can chat together |
| 06:43.22 | annadane | questions* |
| 06:43.42 | Masina | okay this thing is prettycool |
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| 06:44.07 | Masina | and it seems like there are thousands of people on the right name list |
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| 12:54.22 | tobiasBora | colo-work: indead, I don't see any header. Should I also use the -b option ? |
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| 12:55.04 | colo-work | tobiasBora, can you paste the whole output, incl. your invocation of curl (and maybe your cookie-jar file contents)? |
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| 12:56.40 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:56.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:56.56 | laughingtiger | guys I'm sorry about what I complained about firefox unstable in debian, it's now cleared that the problem was caused by the wireless router made in china.p.r, after I changed the firmware to openwrt, no problems ever appeared again. |
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| 12:59.07 | sillyslux | what's a good replacement for x11vnc to export one of several xinerama displays? |
| 12:59.13 | laughingtiger | the original firmware that was shipped with the router developed by those tried a lot of things, including hijacking the browser, implanting advertisements, stealing users data, etc, I bet they sent them to the stink government/ |
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| 13:00.37 | laughingtiger | it was worse than garbage. |
| 13:00.52 | laughingtiger | made in china, what a joke. |
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| 13:03.20 | wozzoz | hi all, any modern fix for this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851810 |
| 13:03.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851810 in xcalib (open, a11y): «xcalib: "Error - unsupported ramp size 0" when trying to invert screen»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-18; last modified: 2017-10-27. |
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| 13:11.26 | laughingtiger | yeah, all commies stinks and I'll shut. |
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| 13:24.04 | Debian_Alain | n Debian-facile |
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| 13:39.10 | RedSoxFan07 | Hello |
| 13:39.32 | RedSoxFan07 | What is the focus of #debianfacile? |
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| 13:44.40 | jelly | never heard of it |
| 13:45.06 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: which network is that channel on? |
| 13:45.19 | RedSoxFan07 | no clue |
| 13:45.39 | abrotman | where did you see the reference? |
| 13:45.46 | RedSoxFan07 | This channel. |
| 13:46.14 | RedSoxFan07 | I accidentally left my laptop on and it picked up a piece of last night's conversation. |
| 13:46.30 | RedSoxFan07 | Oops |
| 13:46.34 | jelly | it's hard to say what that person wanted to do and where. |
| 13:46.40 | RedSoxFan07 | Yeah |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | People make mistakes in IRC |
| 13:46.51 | abrotman | and IRL! |
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| 13:47.33 | RedSoxFan07 | What's IRL? |
| 13:47.47 | digdilem | in real life |
| 13:48.13 | Alina-malina | I need some tutorial on how to configure VPN in debian fo 1 program only |
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| 13:48.24 | n4dir | if you search for debian facile you will get a result about a project, but it is in french (not sure if it still exists at all) |
| 13:48.37 | rephlexie | missing a "-", its #debian-facile I think |
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| 13:49.02 | petn-randall | Alina-malina: That's not how networking works. |
| 13:49.04 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 13:49.04 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 13:49.08 | petn-randall | Alina-malina: ^^^ |
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| 13:49.19 | pseudonymous | Hi - I had some trouble w a USB stick install which booted but some way through the install it insisted that I had no install CD mounted. OK, so I try the Live CD images. Now I've booted into a desktop, but I don't see an install option anywhere, how to proceed ? |
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| 13:49.46 | Alina-malina | well, i have a program called hexchat, i need to run a VPN and give access only to this hexchat program the rest of the traffic i want to go as it goes usually |
| 13:50.26 | Haxxa | Hi I'm trying to clone my drive with clonezilla I just replaced my ssd in my laptop with a 960 evo and it is detected under lsblk but clonezilla won't mount it - any ideas on what I can do? |
| 13:50.50 | rgr | Just FYI in case any testing bods here - debian-next is a desert. https://gist.github.com/rileyrg/f07e5184c868e77c7019797b50e520ba . Cant install gnome-control.center. |
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| 13:51.27 | petn-randall | pseudonymous: If your installer image broke it's likely due to using unetbootin or something similar to prepare it. These tools mangle the image in cruel ways, causing really weird forms of breakage. |
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| 13:52.31 | pseudonymous | petn-randall: shouldn't be. But can I install from this live installer USB stick which landed me in a MATE desktop ? |
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| 13:54.39 | sillyslux | what should i use as vncserver and what as vncviewer if a) i want to export only one xinerama display and b) i want the pointer to be drawn |
| 13:55.30 | sillyslux | x11vnc + xvnc4viewer was good but it seems that xvnc4viewer is no more |
| 13:55.46 | n4dir | pseudonymous: the live CD's are not meant to be used as an installer. |
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| 13:56.00 | n4dir | they contain one though, but don't use them. |
| 13:56.24 | pseudonymous | n4dir: why ? I'm under a time-crunch, I really just need this thing operational stat |
| 13:56.36 | n4dir | known for problems, etc. |
| 13:56.47 | simbalion | I've got a Samsung UHD monitor that is supposed to have 60hz refresh but it's only showing 30hz apparently? Is this because of my graphics drivers? |
| 13:56.55 | pseudonymous | Ok, is there a blessed guide then ? |
| 13:57.10 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: there is however, a --- Topic for #debian-facile is Entraide pour Debian | IRCâ hotline, ATTENDEZ ! | Asso, forum, doc: https://debian-facile.org/ | Collage, logs (publics) IRC du salon: https://debian-facile.org/portail-outils.php | Log forum/wiki/git: #df-flood || Staff DF voicé --- Topic for #debian-facile set by captnfab!~captnfab@unaffiliated/captnfab at Sun Jul 9 06:25:16 2017 |
| 13:57.37 | jelly | no idea what that one is about |
| 13:57.41 | pseudonymous | Debian's site is a merry-go-round of pages on pages of test images, snapshots, jigdo this, hybrid that. There must be a common path catering to the "I just want an install running, here's a USB". |
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| 13:58.27 | n4dir | i usually plug in the USB stick and hit the enter key a couple of times ... |
| 13:58.41 | RedSoxFan07 | pseudonymous: Yeah, it could be a lot easier to navigate. |
| 13:58.46 | jelly | pseudonymous: there are some issues running the installer from live. To avoid those, use the actual installer |
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| 13:59.27 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Yeah. |
| 13:59.29 | pseudonymous | n4dir: that's what I want. I have installed this on 1 pc a month ago and now I've forgotten the process. I just want a page saying "download this, dd/cp/whatever like so, go install" |
| 13:59.52 | RedSoxFan07 | It also helps if you go with the non-free version because it includes non-free drivers, which you might need. |
| 13:59.53 | pseudonymous | that's what I'm looking for right now, a blessed image to use for a functioning install given that I want to use a USB stick, which I presume is by far the most common setup these days |
| 14:00.18 | pseudonymous | RedSoxFan07: couldn't find it last time, had to load FW in via secondary USB. Where is this image ? |
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| 14:00.43 | n4dir | !firmware |
| 14:00.44 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 14:00.52 | n4dir | !installer firmware |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 14:01.21 | petn-randall | !firmware images |
| 14:01.21 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 14:01.27 | petn-randall | pseudonymous: ^^^ |
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| 14:01.36 | n4dir | thank you , sir petn-randall :-) |
| 14:01.37 | RedSoxFan07 | pseudonymous: I found it once about a year ago. I can't find it now. I'll keep looking. |
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| 14:02.08 | RedSoxFan07 | pseudonymous: Here it is: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:02.27 | n4dir | still wondering why the installer doesn't seem to recognize the usb-stick but asks for a CD. I sure never ran in that when using debian. |
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| 14:02.48 | pseudonymous | RedSoxFan07: thanks a heap man, really :) |
| 14:03.42 | petn-randall | n4dir: That is always the case when people use unetbootin or some weird tools to prepare the USB stick. The other common failure mode of unetbootin is that the installer then writes the grub onto the stick, breaking the installer and making the system unbootable. |
| 14:03.48 | RedSoxFan07 | pseudonymous: While I admire the ideals and integrity of free software supporters, I just want my hardware to work, and I doubt that drivers can be malicious. |
| 14:04.06 | RedSoxFan07 | petn-randall: I've found that Etcher works very well. |
| 14:04.29 | RedSoxFan07 | pseudonymous: You're welcome |
| 14:04.36 | petn-randall | !etcher |
| 14:04.36 | dpkg | hmm... etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 14:04.39 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: ^^^ |
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| 14:05.12 | n4dir | petn-randall: ah, thanks. He neither confirmed nor negated that yet. |
| 14:05.24 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: Every other month there's a new tool that pops up that claims to make it easier. But the ways to prepare USB images are documented in the release notes and work 100%, the other tools not so. |
| 14:05.51 | petn-randall | pseudonymous: What steps did you take to prepare the USB stick? |
| 14:06.03 | n4dir | can't see how it could be any easier then with the default tools ... |
| 14:06.43 | pseudonymous | petn-randall: I stumble around the help pages. I basically (right now) use cp+sync as outlined in some of the debian pages |
| 14:07.08 | sillyslux | aww, i've downloaded and installed the jessie package of xvnc4viewer and everything seems fine, what might be the reason for it to be turned into an transitional package? |
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| 14:07.44 | petn-randall | pseudonymous: This is the official and working documentation to it: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 14:08.26 | pseudonymous | Yup, I do the thing at the top, cp + sync |
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| 14:19.45 | tobiasBora | colo-work: Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/vugR5Zsx |
| 14:20.57 | tobiasBora | colo-work: Here is the cookie_jar : https://pastebin.com/2B9RX0X6 |
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| 14:21.56 | tobiasBora | And here is the command I used; https://pastebin.com/hYsyrHX6 |
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| 14:22.48 | tobiasBora | as you can see, I can't see any cookie header |
| 14:23.24 | tobiasBora | but sometimes I indeed have some cookie header, I'm wondering if this big string is not causing the drop of the headers... |
| 14:26.53 | sn0wmonster | Question! From within a shell script, I want to open /etc/proxychains.conf, look for the line containing only "proxy_dns" and I want to add "#" before it (to comment it out). Is this possible? |
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| 14:29.47 | petn-randall | sn0wmonster: You could use 'sed' for that. |
| 14:30.09 | sn0wmonster | oooh! never heard of that before. |
| 14:30.36 | tremolo | sed is incredibly handy |
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| 14:32.02 | RedSoxFan07 | tremolo: and its syntax is often used in IRC |
| 14:32.05 | sn0wmonster | thank you! plenty of resources explaining how to do it with sed, i am satisfied. cheers |
| 14:32.22 | sn0wmonster | RedSoxFan07, is that the s/from/to replacement i always see? |
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| 14:33.35 | sillyslux | sn0wmonster, e.g. sed -i -r 's/(\s*gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme\s*=\s*)(.+)/\10/g' ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini |
| 14:33.51 | sn0wmonster | nice. thank you |
| 14:34.10 | RedSoxFan07 | sn0wmonster: yes sir! |
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| 14:34.45 | sillyslux | this would change gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=1 to gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=0 in the file (last arg) |
| 14:35.26 | sillyslux | there's also #sed and #bash channels |
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| 14:36.57 | petn-randall | sn0wmonster: s/from/to/ is perl-compatible regex, that is used by a lot more things, too. |
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| 14:38.10 | sn0wmonster | nice! got it working, thank you! |
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| 14:42.10 | mxh- | ok so i have a problem with NetworkManager not connecting after sleep |
| 14:42.18 | SimonB | Could anyone kindly explain to me why /proc/cpuinfo would only list even numbered cores on a 2 CPU server? |
| 14:42.21 | mxh- | if i restart wpa_supplicant it connects right away |
| 14:42.55 | mxh- | i'm not comfortable enough with systemd to troubleshoot this, been looking at journalctl and some of the services |
| 14:43.07 | mxh- | but nothing looks off to me. any idea on where to look? |
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| 14:45.51 | mxh- | i should say suspend really |
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| 14:46.24 | laravel | can i ask something? |
| 14:46.36 | likcoras | !ask |
| 14:46.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:47.30 | laravel | dpkg: thx dude |
| 14:47.31 | dpkg | laravel: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:47.44 | laravel | dpkg: what is RTFM ? :D |
| 14:47.45 | dpkg | gives ? :D an engraved copy of the fucking how-to and directs ? :D to understand it fully. |
| 14:48.05 | ntd2 | RTFM = Read the fine manual |
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| 14:48.16 | ntd2 | altough there are alternate definitions regarding the "f" floating around |
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| 14:48.25 | zoomm10 | Hello, is possible do not remove file/dir with 777 permission from any user? Thank you |
| 14:48.31 | ntd2 | yes |
| 14:48.35 | ntd2 | argh |
| 14:48.36 | ntd2 | no |
| 14:48.40 | laravel | ntd2: thx |
| 14:48.53 | Wulf | zoomm10: question is not really clear. Are you looking for chmod +t? |
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| 14:49.39 | petn-randall | zoomm10: What is your ultimate goal? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 14:50.58 | laravel | okay.. somebody in here have tried a richochet for contact someone or your friend? did you feel the problem sometimes cannot connect to your friend in richocet? |
| 14:51.01 | zoomm10 | i want to read to write and execute that file |
| 14:51.31 | laravel | as we know.. they use a tor connection.. but have little problem |
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| 14:54.02 | zoomm10 | i do not want to change the permission 777, but no anyone can delete this file... |
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| 14:54.21 | petn-randall | zoomm10: Why does everyone need to write to that file? |
| 14:54.33 | ntd2 | create a hardlink to that file |
| 14:54.44 | ntd2 | in case anyone deletes it it will still be there in some backupped place |
| 14:54.56 | ntd2 | or do: alias rm="echo No! Dont!" |
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| 14:55.26 | petn-randall | Someone could still overwrite the file with empty data. Which is why I'm asking for the use case. |
| 14:55.50 | ntd2 | if they have write permissions of course |
| 14:56.10 | ntd2 | 777 is bogus, but a hardlink would achieve that its not deletable, if the hardlink has different permissions |
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| 14:57.47 | SimonB | chown to a trusted user, then set sticky bit? (chmod +t) |
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| 15:13.29 | jelly | ntd2: hardlink cannot have different permissions, it's literally the same file, just shown in two places |
| 15:14.00 | jelly | there is no "original" file with hardlinks |
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| 15:16.34 | tw | specifically, it's the same inode. The different directory entries reference the same inode in a hardlink. Permissions, timestamps, and attributes are all on the inode. |
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| 15:18.55 | petn-randall | tw: I always thought hardlinks just point to the same file contents. I actually tested this, and changing permission on one hardlink also changed the other. TIL. :) |
| 15:19.22 | tw | I thought I could do the same one time as well. |
| 15:19.38 | tw | did not work as I planned and that's when I learned linux vfs XD |
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| 15:21.59 | jelly | more amusing stuff with hardlinks: if a file has more than one link, you can't know where the other one is stored and have to find ... -inum xxxx thru the whole filesystem tree |
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| 15:23.25 | jelly | this is why cp and rsync do not deal with hardlinks by default, it's somewhat expensive to find them |
| 15:23.33 | zarzar | hi is there something in debian that would block ssh connections that are not kept alive? |
| 15:23.57 | Wulf | zarzar: context? |
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| 15:25.41 | zarzar | Wulf: i have a debian embedded board (beagleboneblack) that will drop SSH connections and leave a hung ssh connection until reboot of keys are regenerated |
| 15:26.41 | petn-randall | jelly: I'm aware of most caveats around hardlinks, which is why I try to avoid them where possible. |
| 15:27.17 | petn-randall | zarzar: What happens with the keys on reboot? |
| 15:27.19 | tw | jelly: it's actually not too costly as long as they store a list of dir/inode mappings as they encounter them. All of them. |
| 15:27.21 | zarzar | Wulf: i have a debian embedded board (beagleboneblack) that will drop SSH connections and leave a hung ssh connection until reboot or known_host files are regenerated |
| 15:27.37 | tw | They're already doing a full scan prior to transferring the files. |
| 15:27.43 | tw | (in the case of rsync) |
| 15:27.57 | Wulf | zarzar: no idea really, strace and tcpdump might help |
| 15:28.00 | jhutchins_wk | zarzar: That is not normal Debian behavior. |
| 15:28.21 | zarzar | petn-randall: the ssh connection seems to remain open until reboot, after reboot i can connect again, or if i delete known hosts on ubuntu machine i can then connect again as well |
| 15:28.58 | petn-randall | zarzar: Why do you have to delete known_hosts? |
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| 15:29.04 | zarzar | jhutchins_wk Wulf: may be some special sauce from beaglebone cumminity added to image |
| 15:29.44 | zarzar | petn-randall: deleteing known hosts causes a new key to be used, i think this allows a new ssh connection, so the hung connection does not interfere |
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| 15:31.57 | petn-randall | zarzar: known_hosts where the public key of the host is saved. So unless a new key is generated, you shouldn't be doing this. What happens if you don't delete this file? |
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| 15:32.52 | zarzar | petn-randall: if i do not delete then i cannot reconnect after an ssh connection freezes/drops (its more like a freeze since the connection does not exit cleanly) |
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| 15:37.22 | petn-randall | zarzar: What error do you get if you do? |
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| 15:38.59 | zarzar | petn-randall: if i do not delete then i get a connection refused error when trying from ubuntu, or connection timed out from tera term on windows pc |
| 15:39.48 | tw | you're connecting from an external device and it is reading known_hosts on the server? |
| 15:40.18 | petn-randall | zarzar: Sounds like a) the IP address/hostname of your beagle is changing, and you're connecting to different machines, or b) "BeagleOS" is doing something really weird in their images. |
| 15:40.34 | zarzar | tw: the known_hosts file is on the connecting from device, either windows pc or ubuntu machine |
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| 15:42.30 | zarzar | petn-randall: ip address could be changing but that would mean the lease is very very short and it reverts back to same ip |
| 15:42.53 | zarzar | petn-randall: could be weird security in the beaglbone image |
| 15:43.42 | zarzar | petn-randall: they disable root for security, because people were using the boards with out any security, root access without password, and putting them on the net that way |
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| 15:46.23 | EoflaOE | hello everyone. I decided that I am resigning from here because I made a bad contribution to this channel and I will be returning to ##linux and #debian somewhere in May or July. Things like getting ignored and my questions is being answered rudely (pointless questions, helpless questions, helpless answers). Most of you is nice to me. Last week, I asked ttf (?) a question on ##linux and he answered me rudely. |
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| 15:48.12 | tw | zarzar: what does the log file say on the server? |
| 15:48.22 | petn-randall | zarzar: I can't imagine a scenario where deleting the SSH host keys on boot would improve security. |
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| 15:48.53 | zarzar | petn-randall: i am not deleteing keys for security, i delete them just to troubleshoot |
| 15:49.14 | zarzar | petn-randall: maybe i need to change the keep alive setting |
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| 15:49.25 | petn-randall | zarzar: I'm not saying *you* are deleting them, but some script is deleting them on your beagle during reboot. |
| 15:49.26 | jelly | maybe stop deleting host keys completely |
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| 15:49.45 | jelly | in any case, that doesn't sound like debian at all |
| 15:49.55 | phanter | Hi. Does anybody know in which package I can find the program: killall |
| 15:50.06 | jelly | judd: file bin/killall |
| 15:50.08 | zarzar | petn-randall: they are not deleted on reboot, but the session is stopped by the reboot, so the connection is allowed again anew after reboot |
| 15:50.10 | judd | Search for bin/killall in stretch/amd64: psmisc: usr/bin/killall |
| 15:50.29 | jelly | phanter: consider using pkill and pgrep instead |
| 15:50.48 | petn-randall | zarzar: Then how would deleting your known_hosts fix that?? |
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| 15:51.45 | phanter | oke, and in which package are those? |
| 15:52.08 | skupra82 | hi |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | judd: file bin/pkill |
| 15:52.23 | zarzar | petn-randall: i think deleting known hosts makes the next connection look like a new connection instead of a reconnect to a hung session |
| 15:52.26 | judd | Search for bin/pkill in stretch/amd64: procps: usr/bin/pkill |
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| 15:53.09 | phanter | aaah, yes. it is installed by default. |
| 15:53.12 | phanter | thansk! |
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| 15:53.18 | g0zzy | Trying to solve a problem that *should* be easy. I want a box to send me an email when it's online. I'm try to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d but my mailing script is telling me that there are DNS problems. Isn't NM meant to run those scripts when the network is in a working state? |
| 15:53.36 | ewrrw | Hi, I have added apt package manager to ifc6309 board (arch=aarch64), but there are no mirrors in my /etc/apt/sources.list . So I always get Failed to read sources Error when I run sudo apt-get update. Please point me to a good mirror which can be added to my sources.list |
| 15:54.11 | skupra82 | is debian stretch working with geforce 7025? |
| 15:54.20 | jelly | ewrrw: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:54.41 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 15:54.42 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 15:55.27 | ewrrw | jelly: I am using a custom distro based on debian jessie |
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| 15:57.12 | RedSoxFan07 | ewrrw: what's it called? |
| 15:57.23 | RedSoxFan07 | ewrrw: Jessie Rides Again? |
| 15:57.58 | skupra82 | whitch debian GUI is best? |
| 15:58.09 | skupra82 | on laptop I use xfce |
| 15:58.17 | skupra82 | but I have 4 gb ram |
| 15:58.30 | jelly | ewrrw: then ask your distro people about the right repo sources |
| 15:58.58 | jelly | ewrrw: if you were running debian, /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
| 15:59.18 | mutante | skupra82: there is no "best", there is only the one that fits your needs |
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| 16:00.00 | skupra82 | mutante, i know that but xfce too light |
| 16:00.10 | skupra82 | ugly |
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| 16:00.47 | mutante | skupra82: ugly is subjective. but having said that, let's make it simple, Gnome is the best :) |
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| 16:01.28 | skupra82 | mutante, :) i suppose |
| 16:02.09 | mutante | skupra82: Enlightenment DR17 but it's old :) |
| 16:02.42 | mutante | skupra82: https://www.enlightenment.org/ if you wanna try something else, hehe |
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| 16:04.18 | RedSoxFan07 | mutante: That sounds familiar. |
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| 16:04.48 | skupra82 | oh too hard for me |
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| 16:07.06 | EoflaOE | I won't leave this channel. I changed my mind |
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| 16:08.21 | zarzar | petn-randall: error: Timeout, server ... not responding. |
| 16:08.49 | jelly | EoflaOE: whatever you do, please keep to the topic in here and avoid non-support writing. |
| 16:08.57 | EoflaOE | ok |
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| 16:13.40 | ewrrw | jelly : Actually the distro is made by me, so I got nobody to ask for good repo sources, I tried to use the repo sources listed in debian wiki but even those sources did not work for aarch64 architecture. Thanks for the help! |
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| 16:14.21 | jelly | ewrrw: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your system? |
| 16:14.55 | ewrrw | Jelly: it says aarch64 |
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| 16:15.34 | jelly | ewrrw: well, that's the first problem: debian uses "arm64" not "aarch64" as dpkg arch. |
| 16:16.07 | jelly | ewrrw: did you build dpkg from source? |
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| 16:16.22 | mxh- | Anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant to wake up after suspend? I have to manually restart it each time. |
| 16:17.08 | ewrrw | jelly: I use yocto project to build my distro which makes sure to build dpkg from source. |
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| 16:18.37 | jelly | ewrrw: then it's not likely debian's binary builds will be compatible |
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| 16:20.56 | ewrrw | jelly: Thanks for the help! |
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| 16:21.31 | jelly | ewrrw: if you're lucky and have bootstrapped enough of the system, you might be able to use deb-src sources to get more software to build the debian way on your custom arch |
| 16:22.16 | jelly | ewrrw: otherwise, if you want to use debian, I suggest setting up an arm64 chroot using debootstrap |
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| 16:26.34 | ewrrw | jelly: I just checked on wiki, arm64 and aarch64 are one and the same architectures and arm64 was just a fancy name given to aarch64 by Apple. Here is the link: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY5ODk |
| 16:27.24 | jhutchins_wk | mxh-: You could use network-manager to control it. |
| 16:27.39 | RedSoxFan07 | ewrrw: Very interesting! |
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| 16:28.04 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: I do use NetworkManager |
| 16:28.04 | ewrrw | jelly: If the sources work for arm64, then they should work for aarch64 too right ? |
| 16:28.05 | RedSoxFan07 | ewrrw: So, theoretically, you could run the arm64 port of Debian on an iPhone. |
| 16:28.08 | g0zzy | Trying to solve a problem that *should* be easy. I want a box to send me an email when it's online. I'm try to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d but my mailing script is telling me that there are DNS problems. Isn't NM meant to run those scripts when the network is in a working state? |
| 16:28.25 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: I think... There is a networkmanager service running that just kinda came with debian |
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| 16:28.43 | jhutchins_wk | ewrrw: The problem is the Debian sources will have a different label for the arch - they won't match. |
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| 16:29.16 | jhutchins_wk | mxh-: Yes, and use either the cli app or the applet for your desktop to manage it. |
| 16:29.17 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: I have found a solution actually but that involves making a unit that runs after suspend and runs a shell script to restart wpasupplicant |
| 16:29.29 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: But it does not work unless i restart wpasupplicant |
| 16:29.38 | mxh- | like nmcli just says it can't do anything |
| 16:29.49 | jhutchins_wk | mxh-: That sounds like a reasonable solution. |
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| 16:29.55 | ewrrw | RedSoxFan07: Theoretically It is possible. |
| 16:30.15 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: Alright, i thought it felt a bit "unclean" but i guess i'll do that :P |
| 16:30.25 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: Thanks. |
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| 16:30.55 | ewrrw | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the Help! I think I figured it out!! |
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| 16:31.19 | brw | g0zzy: You could do this with a bash script too. Just see if you can ping 8.8.8.8. If you can, send an email and set a file in /tmp to be network_up. Then when it's down, remove that file, change it to network_down, and wait until it comes back up. YOu could even include how many minutes you were down by looking at the datestamp of network_down. Remember to delete that file and create the network_up file afterwards. |
| 16:31.20 | tw | RedSoxFan07: only if you could get it to boot, and had the right kernel device tree overlays, and had appropriate hardware drivers, and so on. |
| 16:31.24 | brw | then cron that for every 5 mins or so |
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| 16:31.27 | jhutchins_wk | mxh-: If you configure an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, NM will not manage it. |
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| 16:31.53 | RedSoxFan07 | tw: Yeah, the driver issue occurred to me. |
| 16:32.09 | tw | getting past the bootloader signatures would probably be the hardest part. |
| 16:32.38 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: I move around a lot and connect do different wifis so i need a flexible solution |
| 16:32.50 | mxh- | jhutchins_wk: Otherwise i would |
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| 16:34.03 | g0zzy | brw: Thanks. I could of course try to ping the mailserver. What if i can't though - loop i suppose? |
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| 16:34.13 | RedSoxFan07 | tw: Yeah, kinda like trying to install linux on a chromebook |
| 16:34.15 | tw | mxh-: After=suspend.target https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/227293/61232 |
| 16:34.17 | jhutchins_wk | mxh-: That's the reason for NM, so good. |
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| 16:35.27 | mxh- | tw: For my unit file to restart wpa_supplicant you mean? |
| 16:35.34 | tw | yes. |
| 16:35.39 | RedSoxFan07 | tw: It's unbelievably difficult to install Linux on a Chromebook. When you get down to it, Chromebooks aren't special in their pricing - you can probably get equally specc'd machines at the same price without ChromeOS. Only other reason to buy ChromeOS devices is because they have CoreBoot instead of totally proprietary BIOS. |
| 16:35.40 | mxh- | Gotcha. Thanks! |
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| 16:37.45 | jhutchins_wk | RedSoxFan07: The problem is it's hard to get those other brands without Windows pre-installed. |
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| 16:39.14 | brw | g0zzy: Just send one ping ata a time |
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| 16:39.55 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Also true. |
| 16:40.09 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Though, I don't mind installing Linux. |
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| 16:40.25 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Just means I get a free WIndows license if I ever need it. |
| 16:41.00 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Besides, even when companies preinstall Linux, it's not the distro you want. It's always Ubuntu. |
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| 16:41.37 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: Ubuntu is great for people who are new to Linux and people who aren't too technical. |
| 16:41.47 | RedSoxFan07 | jhutchins_wk: But Debian is where it's at. |
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| 16:43.24 | tremolo | Even if it was the distro I wanted, it wouldn't be the install I wanted. |
| 16:44.04 | RedSoxFan07 | tremolo: Also true. |
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| 16:44.48 | RedSoxFan07 | tremolo: A big difference being the desktop environment. They might preinstall Gnome or KDE, but you might want XFCE or LXDE or Budgie or Cinnamon. |
| 16:45.04 | RedSoxFan07 | * L X DE |
| 16:45.31 | RedSoxFan07 | I don't know why it turns x d e into a smiley face |
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| 16:46.08 | tremolo | Must be something on your client; came through here fine. |
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| 16:48.32 | zarzar | solved: another device has the same IP address statically assigned |
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| 16:57.36 | sdgvb | hello all |
| 16:57.58 | OtakuSenpai | will eclipse work in xfce |
| 16:58.00 | OtakuSenpai | ? |
| 16:58.21 | sdgvb | i have problem that i cant see anything on my screen.. i was with hdmi and suddently i dont remember what happen. and i somehow able to remote the computer with xrdp. is it possible to set resolution on laptop remotely to screen laptop? |
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| 16:58.39 | OtakuSenpai | or does the lack of a opengl based ui hinder it? |
| 16:59.12 | josecapurro | sdgvb: You can use xrandr |
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| 16:59.29 | sdgvb | josecapurro: i know xrandr. how to use it remotely for screen laptop? any help please? |
| 16:59.36 | josecapurro | sdgvb: xrandr -q gives you the output name and supported resolutions |
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| 16:59.49 | sdgvb | josecapurro: im on the remote computer with xrdp will it work? |
| 17:00.04 | josecapurro | sdgvb: xrandr --output OUTPUT_NAME --auto will do |
| 17:00.06 | sdgvb | and as a root because i cant login with normal user |
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| 17:00.22 | sdgvb | will it work with root too? and what OUTPUT_NAME? |
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| 17:00.51 | josecapurro | sdgvb: First try doing xrandr -q to see the output names |
| 17:00.56 | sdgvb | yes i got it |
| 17:01.00 | sdgvb | what next? |
| 17:01.04 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Then, use them in xrandr --output |
| 17:01.26 | josecapurro | sdgvb: For example, in my machine, the output name is LVDS-1 |
| 17:01.40 | sdgvb | i dont think it will work |
| 17:01.43 | sdgvb | i will pastebin |
| 17:01.44 | josecapurro | sdgvb: So it is xrandr --output LVDS-1 --auto |
| 17:02.10 | sdgvb | please look http://termbin.com/udvz |
| 17:02.24 | sdgvb | from xrandr -q . |
| 17:03.02 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Ah. I see. |
| 17:03.40 | sdgvb | is ther a way to change xrandr remotely? |
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| 17:03.49 | sdgvb | my laptop screen is black.. |
| 17:03.54 | josecapurro | sdgvb: I'm looking into it... |
| 17:04.26 | sdgvb | I also tried on laptop without remotely type xrandr -s 0 and xrandr --auto but none worked and i couldn't see any output :< |
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| 17:05.35 | jhutchins_wk | sdgvb: Can you switch to a console and get output, or boot to multiuser.target? |
| 17:05.39 | sdgvb | i tried now use export DISPLAY=:0 and when i type xrandr -q I get No protocol specified and Can't open display :0 |
| 17:05.42 | josecapurro | sdgvb: I think you can use xrandr --display :0 -q |
| 17:05.47 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Try it |
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| 17:06.14 | sdgvb | josecapurro: im getting "No protocol specified, Can't open display :0" when type the command you supply. |
| 17:06.22 | josecapurro | sdgvb: It works in my machine |
| 17:06.40 | sonnixin | hi, please i am using debian sid and after update gnome wayland breaks?!, i just want to know were to find the log like in xorg? |
| 17:06.46 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Do you have a running X session? ps ax | grep X |
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| 17:07.26 | josecapurro | sdgvb: I have sucessfully changed the resolution of my display over ssh from my phone with xrandr --display |
| 17:07.41 | sdgvb | i will try again |
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| 17:08.00 | josecapurro | sonnixin: You can try journalctl -f -m -n 1000 |
| 17:08.06 | sdgvb | i get output from xrandr --display :0 -q after switching to normal user |
| 17:08.10 | J-BBBBB | Hi, is anyone roundcube from debian 9 using? I have the problem that attachement will not send since the last security update. Is it a know bug? |
| 17:08.22 | jhutchins_wk | sonnixin: Either $HOME (look for hidden files that start with .) or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:08.26 | sonnixin | will try, thanks josecapurro |
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| 17:08.37 | sonnixin | jhutchins_wk: |
| 17:08.39 | josecapurro | sdgvb: OK. Now try changing the resolution. |
| 17:08.40 | jhutchins_wk | !roundcube |
| 17:08.41 | dpkg | Roundcube is an <IMAP> client written in PHP. This software is not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release (bug #775666) but is available in <jessie-backports>. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: SQLite v2 support was dropped, see /usr/share/doc/roundcube-sqlite/NEWS.Debian.gz and http://wiki.debian.org/Roundcube/DeprecationOfSQLitev2 . http://www.roundcube.net/ #roundcube on irc.freenode.net. See also <imapproxy>. |
| 17:08.48 | sdgvb | josecapurro: how? |
| 17:08.52 | sonnixin | jhutchins_wk: i want wayland log is it there too? |
| 17:09.09 | sdgvb | i tried "xrandr --output eDP-1 --auto" and i get: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :10.0 |
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| 17:09.33 | josecapurro | sdgvb: As the normal user, do an xrandr --display :0 -q. Let me see it. |
| 17:09.49 | jhutchins_wk | sonnixin: No idea. There are more sid users in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 17:09.59 | sdgvb | http://termbin.com/0w3x |
| 17:10.05 | josecapurro | sdgvb: You didn't specified the display. |
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| 17:10.17 | sdgvb | i did.. eDP-1 |
| 17:10.29 | josecapurro | sdgvb: No. Thats the output |
| 17:10.43 | sdgvb | oh |
| 17:10.48 | sdgvb | but it's auto |
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| 17:10.51 | josecapurro | sdgvb: The command must be xrandr --display :0 --output eDP-1 --auto |
| 17:11.05 | josecapurro | sdgvb: --auto sets the resolution. |
| 17:11.12 | josecapurro | !xrandr |
| 17:11.12 | dpkg | somebody said xrandr was a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 17:11.17 | sdgvb | it's still not work |
| 17:11.21 | sdgvb | im getting xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
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| 17:13.00 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Your monitor is connected via HDMI? |
| 17:13.08 | sdgvb | no i disconnect it |
| 17:13.15 | sdgvb | because i couldn't see anything |
| 17:13.28 | josecapurro | sdgvb: for this to work, you need the monitor connected |
| 17:13.51 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Then, run xrandr --display :0 --output HDMI-1 --auto |
| 17:14.05 | sdgvb | i will try |
| 17:14.09 | sdgvb | i hope it will work |
| 17:14.22 | josecapurro | sdgvb: If that doesn't work, try xrandr --display :0 --output eDP-1 --auto |
| 17:14.34 | josecapurro | sdgvb: eDP-1 sounds like DisplayPort |
| 17:14.42 | sdgvb | i dont have displayport |
| 17:14.55 | josecapurro | sdgvb: OK. So it's HDMI, then. |
| 17:14.57 | sdgvb | im getting this error "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" on the same commands |
| 17:15.07 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Run xrandr --display :0 --output HDMI-1 --auto |
| 17:15.28 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Hmmmm... idk, then.. |
| 17:15.44 | josecapurro | sdgvb: Gotta go. |
| 17:15.51 | sdgvb | thx for trying man |
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| 17:17.44 | msl09 | hello |
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| 17:17.56 | msl09 | how do I use a different kernel branch |
| 17:18.04 | msl09 | from the one that's shipped with debian? |
| 17:18.47 | msl09 | I need it for driver support for my video card |
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| 17:19.10 | jhutchins_wk | msl09: That's not how it usually works. |
| 17:19.32 | msl09 | how does it work then? |
| 17:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | msl09: Drivers not adopted into the kernel project can be compiled from source to match the kernel you have. |
| 17:19.56 | msl09 | ahh |
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| 17:20.06 | jhutchins_wk | msl09: dkms is a utility that will detect a new kernel and recompile the driver (once the initial install is done). |
| 17:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | msl09: What card? (Bonus if you know the pciid - lspci -nn) |
| 17:20.27 | msl09 | amd |
| 17:21.05 | msl09 | ah yeah now that I'm reading it the comment on the bug report said that I should use a different driver, not kernel |
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| 17:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | !ati |
| 17:21.16 | dpkg | Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:21.18 | msl09 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103771 |
| 17:21.28 | msl09 | the bug that I opened ^ |
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| 17:22.06 | _Strix_ | hello guys |
| 17:22.30 | jhutchins_wk | msl09: It's pretty well known, AMD/ATI keep changing the driver specs. WHile they do supply linux drivers (which eventually get adopted), it takes a while for them to be packaged in Debian. |
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| 17:23.57 | msl09 | ah damn backports only goes as far as linux 4.13 atm |
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| 17:26.48 | somiaj | I thought there were no ati/amd drivers (outside of the free radeon and newer amdgpu in the kernel) in debian. fglrx was dropped, and the amdgpupro seems to only have ubuntu packages made by amd/ati. |
| 17:26.58 | Psy-Q | wasn't it 4.10 that got amdgpu? |
| 17:27.34 | somiaj | amdgpu has been around since before 4.9, so is in 4.9, now there could be improvements after that I am unaware of. |
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| 17:28.05 | msl09 | yeah I'm using amdgpu driver |
| 17:28.30 | Psy-Q | would be good to know what card |
| 17:28.37 | msl09 | but the HDMI audio for this video card is not available for the current version of it |
| 17:28.42 | somiaj | in debian that is about the best that is supported for newer cards. I belive there is a way to install the ubuntu package on debian, but it requires editing the script from amd/ati and not really supported here. |
| 17:28.45 | Psy-Q | i think later kernels have support for newer cards |
| 17:28.51 | msl09 | Psy-Q, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103771 |
| 17:29.00 | msl09 | Radeon RX 460 |
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| 17:29.37 | Psy-Q | ah, sorry. didn't read that earlier, my bad. hmm, there was a changelog with which cards were added when |
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| 17:30.50 | Psy-Q | oh, just the audio. even more hmm. well, if they already know they're targetting 4.15 it surely won't be any earlier |
| 17:31.07 | msl09 | yeah |
| 17:31.16 | Psy-Q | it won't be hard to compile a newer kernel the debian way though, if you want to use the vanilla sources from kernel.org at that point |
| 17:31.30 | msl09 | but now I'm curious to try |
| 17:31.40 | sdgvb | anyone mind to help me? |
| 17:31.53 | msl09 | even if not having HDMI audio is not a big hassle |
| 17:32.08 | msl09 | Psy-Q, is there any source on that? |
| 17:32.22 | Psy-Q | msl09: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
| 17:32.46 | msl09 | thanks Psy-Q |
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| 17:33.05 | Psy-Q | msl09: no problem. there are some prerequisites to get all the fakeroot, build-essential stuff: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.1 |
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| 17:35.13 | msl09 | sdgvb, just ask |
| 17:35.20 | sdgvb | i have important work and i didnt save |
| 17:35.24 | ongy | with the debian installer, how do I switch to the 2 shell, 3 shell, 4 log tabs that are suggested on the top? |
| 17:35.42 | sdgvb | msl09: i asked already.. i am on my remote laptop with xrdp because i only see black screen. |
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| 17:36.10 | petn-randall | ongy: Usually alt + F2/F3/F4. |
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| 17:36.42 | sdgvb | xrandr say i have eDP-1 connected but i dont have displayport ;_; |
| 17:37.22 | ongy | thx |
| 17:37.26 | sdgvb | when i type $ xrandr --auto I get this error: "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" |
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| 17:44.49 | g0zzy | If i use swapon, is it persistent? |
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| 17:45.03 | ongy | well, Alt+F# doesn't work for me, but that could just be qemu in -nographic mode being wonky |
| 17:45.10 | frostschutz | g0zzy, no? |
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| 17:45.48 | g0zzy | Oh. Do i have to manually edit /etc/fstab? |
| 17:45.52 | RoyK | ctrl+alt+f# should work even in X |
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| 17:46.39 | ongy | that would switch out my host tty :/ |
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| 17:47.30 | jelly | g0zzy: yes, you want a fstab entry for your permanent swap space |
| 17:48.09 | sdgvb | help plz |
| 17:48.35 | g0zzy | OK. thanks |
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| 17:53.08 | JordiGH | Firefox 57 on stable? |
| 17:53.12 | JordiGH | Can it be done? |
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| 17:53.44 | tremolo | yes |
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| 17:55.00 | tremolo | I do this by downloading Firefox's tarball, extracting it in /opt/, and creating a symlink in /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 17:56.44 | JordiGH | Hmmmmm... |
| 17:56.49 | JordiGH | Gross. |
| 17:56.51 | maxxe | JordiGH, yes. like tremolo said but I also extract it to /usr/local instead of /opt |
| 17:56.53 | JordiGH | but I guess it probably works. |
| 17:57.10 | maxxe | depending on your partition strategy :) |
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| 17:57.13 | JordiGH | Mozilla didn't compile any crap into it this time like they sometimes do, right? |
| 17:57.17 | JordiGH | Like phoning home? |
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| 17:57.55 | tremolo | It has a pocket. |
| 17:58.39 | g0zzy | I'm keeping some potentially large directories ~/Videos etc. on a partition of another disk. To avoid potentially problems would it be better to use hard links or are normal symlinks OK? |
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| 18:00.22 | sdgvb | im fucked |
| 18:01.05 | tremolo | If it's on a separate filesystem, you can't use hardlinks. |
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| 18:01.29 | g0zzy | Right ;) |
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| 18:01.59 | tremolo | Not to mention hardlinking directories |
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| 18:06.28 | sdgvb | i killed lightdm and all process are died ? why |
| 18:06.51 | somiaj | any process lauched by your dm (Which is your full desktop enviroment) will die with it |
| 18:06.58 | sdgvb | damn it |
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| 18:07.08 | sdgvb | why |
| 18:07.10 | sdgvb | WHYYYYYYYYYY |
| 18:07.19 | somiaj | because of how child process work |
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| 18:07.48 | sdgvb | lightdm spawns all process and therefore if i killed the father i murder the sons? |
| 18:08.25 | petn-randall | sdgvb: The terminology is "parent process" and "child process", but other than that, yes. |
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| 18:08.32 | RedSoxFan07 | sdgvb: I didn't know the dm played that large of a role. I kinda thought it was just for logging. |
| 18:08.42 | sdgvb | fuck dm |
| 18:08.44 | sdgvb | bitch |
| 18:08.45 | petn-randall | sdgvb: Also, you "kill" processes, not "murder" them. |
| 18:08.46 | sdgvb | sorry all |
| 18:08.50 | RedSoxFan07 | I mean logging in |
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| 18:08.51 | sdgvb | i lost all my work |
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| 18:09.42 | tremolo | Perhaps it was in some application with an autosave feature? |
| 18:10.06 | sdgvb | fuck xrandr |
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| 18:10.47 | sdgvb | i installed linuxvnc and then run on tty 7 but i saw some messages and couldnt control it |
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| 18:10.49 | sdgvb | wtf? |
| 18:11.28 | sdgvb | and then i looked on all processes and on tty7 there was lightdm so i thought killing it will work |
| 18:11.30 | sdgvb | but it didnt |
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| 18:12.03 | jelly | sdgvb: is there a tech question or are you just venting? |
| 18:12.26 | sdgvb | jelly: do you want me to leave? |
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| 18:12.50 | jelly | sdgvb: no, just to keep on-topic |
| 18:13.19 | sdgvb | ok boss |
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| 18:25.23 | iodev | okay, so here's what I want to do |
| 18:25.26 | iodev | I want firefox 57 |
| 18:25.45 | iodev | it looks beautiful, can I install it? I don't want esr anymore :D |
| 18:26.23 | somiaj | iodev: rust isn't in debian so it can't be complied in debian. You can use the pre-complied binary from firefox and install it in $HOME or /opt |
| 18:26.37 | _rubik | iodev: download the binaries, unpack into /opt, and create sys link |
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| 18:26.45 | n4dir | Looks like no one is really happy with iceweasel now being firefox again. The never ending story of a web-browser ... |
| 18:27.00 | iodev | somiaj: _rubik okay, so /opt/firefox then :D |
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| 18:27.25 | _rubik | n4dir: I will say, I have never been as excited for a browser as 57 |
| 18:27.30 | _rubik | iodev: nailed it! |
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| 18:28.18 | n4dir | nah, just kidding, i believe you. Was just a joke about the endless discussions regarding firefox/iceweasel. Bit silly ... |
| 18:28.32 | iodev | _rubik: yeah, I liked it when windows updated firefox |
| 18:28.37 | iodev | so now I want in debian also :D) |
| 18:29.02 | jelly | nothing stops from you from using Mozilla's build |
| 18:29.21 | Unit193 | It's also in unstable even. |
| 18:29.25 | iodev | ok, purged firefox-esr |
| 18:29.50 | jelly | I've been using mozilla's esr build for years |
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| 18:30.34 | aloo_shu | n4dir: blame it on update terror - and 'new' and 'exciting' being equivalent in the user's mind. I've just recently re-read lynx' homepage.. |
| 18:31.12 | jhutchins_wk | Unit193: That's a good sign that it will probably make it to stable backports fairly soon. |
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| 18:31.34 | Unit193 | jhutchins_wk: By all appearances on the PTS, it won't as it hasn't before. |
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| 18:31.50 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: unless it requires a ton of new build deps, like newer Rust |
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| 18:32.12 | jhutchins_wk | My wife was complaining about esr being slow last night. Using all the CPU on facebook. I'm going to switch her to chrome until 57 hits. |
| 18:32.40 | jhutchins_wk | Core 2 duo, so a bit dated. |
| 18:32.46 | bluj | never heard of this magical ff 57 build? guess i should look closer.. |
| 18:32.58 | n4dir | aloo_shu: i won't blame anyone, at least not for that (though it sure is a burner the last few days ... ). Been looking at dillo again (i had to, pentium 3), but thought about checking lynx again too |
| 18:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | bluj: It's supposed to be their hot new thing to compete with chrome for performance. |
| 18:33.40 | iodev | now how do I turn on that black theme |
| 18:33.48 | bluj | neat.. treestyle tabs again!! :-) |
| 18:34.09 | Unit193 | bluj: Biggest downside is that xul addons don't work anymore. |
| 18:34.18 | iodev | (on win 10 it has black titlebar |
| 18:34.19 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: but a c2d is sluggy, if you can get a sandybridge or ivybridge i3 or i5 it's a huge improvement |
| 18:34.23 | iodev | it's beautiful) |
| 18:34.35 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: "compete with chrome" makes it sound as if i would hate it even more than i have came to since ? version 3? ... |
| 18:34.36 | tremolo | I'm not doing benchmarks or anything, but it doesn't seem faster to me. |
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| 18:36.39 | iodev | WOW! the speed, the speed! |
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| 18:38.48 | iodev | n4dir: try 57 it's fast as lightning! |
| 18:38.53 | iodev | :d |
| 18:38.53 | iodev | * :D |
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| 18:39.29 | Iridos | now you made me wonder how fast lightning is |
| 18:39.35 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: We'll see what MicroCenter has for refurbs. |
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| 18:41.08 | iodev | Iridos: 300000 km/s |
| 18:41.21 | iodev | it's not really that fast, just a metaphor |
| 18:41.22 | teraflops | placebo |
| 18:41.28 | iodev | teraflops: nope |
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| 18:41.47 | iodev | it's clearly got a faster JS engine |
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| 18:42.02 | aloo_shu | n4dir funny, 3.6.6 has also stayed in my mind as the version that had all the functionality I wanted, any update since then was one I felt *forced* to do |
| 18:42.06 | Iridos | iodev, nope. that's light. |
| 18:42.21 | teraflops | so ff 57 increased the speed of the internet? rofl |
| 18:42.41 | iodev | Iridos: electricity and light travel at same speed |
| 18:42.44 | n4dir | aloo_shu: yeah, i for one sure haven't run into anything i have missed, but was forced on me. |
| 18:42.46 | iodev | teraflops: no, no, no |
| 18:42.48 | iodev | you don't get it |
| 18:42.57 | teraflops | I do get it ⦠|
| 18:43.02 | iodev | the internet stays the same, the page is loaded faster |
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| 18:43.23 | Iridos | not even light travels at the same speed |
| 18:43.29 | teraflops | what loads faster js? xD |
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| 18:43.36 | teraflops | has js disabled |
| 18:43.56 | iodev | your problem |
| 18:43.59 | n4dir | give the web-developers a bit of time, they sure will make the increased speed null and void in only a bit |
| 18:44.10 | teraflops | iodev: not a problem here |
| 18:44.32 | iodev | n4dir: I guess so |
| 18:44.41 | iodev | but for a few days I get to have 2x as fast |
| 18:44.47 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 18:46.00 | n4dir | my main problem isn't the speed for loading webpages. Rather that firefox usually uses 4 times as much RAM as all the rest and that it freezes 10 times a day, or more. |
| 18:46.13 | aloo_shu | has anyone ever thought of *archivin* the plugi.addon.extension repos on a regular basis? If e.g. xul has been phased out from the browser, I'd expect it to be gone from the repos appx. 5 versions/months later |
| 18:46.22 | Iridos | iodev, apparently it's on average about 400km/s⦠so well done. Anyway, feel invited to continue the discussion on #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:46.39 | iodev | ok, sorry Iridos |
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| 18:49.38 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: not in my experience. |
| 18:49.46 | RedSoxFan07 | n4dir: In fact, the new version is even faster. |
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| 18:51.05 | n4dir | ROOT# ps_mem.py | grep firefox && ps_mem.py | tail -n 2 |
| 18:51.05 | n4dir | 986.6 MiB + 23.7 MiB = 1.0 GiBfirefox |
| 18:51.05 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.38 | Iridos | n4dir, well, that's not even exactly the main problem⦠it doesn't freeze for me by far as often⦠and other browsers are just as memory hungry |
| 18:52.13 | Iridos | but the one thing that is much better in chorme is the sandboxing that prevents one page from stopping the whole browser |
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| 18:54.25 | zarzar | can i shut down dnsmasq without screwing up internet connectivity? |
| 18:54.41 | aloo_shu | I wonder if in 5 years it will be habitual that a web page loads a 300MB operating system into my browser in order to provide me with a nice user experience |
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| 18:58.30 | Iridos | zarzar, it's a dns proxy? so at worst you could shut down dns queries until you edit resolv.conf for direct access (on all the machines using it) |
| 18:58.36 | Walakea | can i set a rule to kill any process that allocates more than X GB of memory? |
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| 19:00.08 | zarzar | Iridos: i would like to shut it down, not using it |
| 19:00.52 | mutante | Walakea: yea, with control groups that should work. see the answer with 76 upvotes on https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44985/limit-memory-usage-for-a-single-linux-process (not the first one) |
| 19:00.58 | somiaj | Walakea: I found this in google, https://www.endpoint.com/blog/2012/08/30/automatically-kill-process-using-too, its suggestions are just limit the amount of memeory used via ulimit, or have a script run by cron check for processes using over a certina amount of ram and kill them. |
| 19:01.13 | somiaj | and with systemd, cgroups maybe a better method |
| 19:01.24 | mutante | "problems with ulimit" |
| 19:01.34 | Iridos | yeah, I think those are probably the three major options |
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| 19:02.28 | Iridos | you'd need to put each process into its own cgroup, though⦠and make sure it's removed from the one of the parent |
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| 19:02.36 | Walakea | i wouldn't want to reboot |
| 19:02.42 | Iridos | anyway, that doesn't seem too worthwhile |
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| 19:03.23 | Walakea | i am developing an MPI program that uses alot of sends and the problem is that it spwans its own processes |
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| 19:04.00 | Walakea | i can try to quickly kill the in System Monitor but if i fail i can say goodbye to my GUI for the next 5 minutes |
| 19:04.17 | Iridos | well, as you said you can disable swap and that won't happen |
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| 19:05.32 | Iridos | what *will* happen is that oom_killer pulls out its gun and blasts away at some pseudo-random process (I think it's actually the currently active process or so⦠and so it often kills the culprit⦠but there's no guaantee it doesn't kill of something else pretty randomly) |
| 19:05.50 | Iridos | our compute nodes are all configured without swap |
| 19:05.52 | Walakea | i once tried "swapoff" but the system activated the partition once it lost availible memory |
| 19:06.34 | Iridos | that can't possibly be |
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| 19:07.30 | jelly | Iridos: yes it can. systemd! |
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| 19:07.43 | Iridos | jelly, impossible |
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| 19:07.54 | Iridos | how would it even know |
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| 19:08.16 | jelly | once it converted your fstab entries to units, it detects one is down and tries to bring it up after manual swapoff |
| 19:08.43 | jelly | even without that "once it lost availible memory" I think |
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| 19:08.47 | Iridos | well, ok⦠but it'd do that immediately, not when memory gets tight |
| 19:08.58 | jelly | it's _not_ immediate |
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| 19:09.24 | jelly | for me it was a less than a minute - some minutes later |
| 19:09.24 | Walakea | maybe i just gave it a wrong parameter |
| 19:09.36 | Iridos | I thought services respawn pretty much instantly⦠like stuff in inittab? |
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| 19:09.43 | Iridos | jelly, duh. |
| 19:09.57 | Iridos | Walakea, well⦠you can still switch it off using systemd⦠|
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| 19:10.28 | Iridos | jelly, I can't say I like the way systemd has its fingers in everything and everywhere⦠|
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| 19:10.36 | jelly | eh, the new thing is as buggy as the old thing, except you have to figure out all the new workarounds |
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| 19:11.05 | n4dir | yup, what became of <do one thing and do it well> ? |
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| 19:11.21 | jelly | n4dir: sysvinit never did it well either |
| 19:11.24 | Iridos | no, it's our old beloved and hedged bugs against a bunch of new crap that stinks you the wrong way |
| 19:11.31 | jelly | it just failed in different ways |
| 19:11.45 | n4dir | jelly: can't say that i recall sysv did all kind of stuff. |
| 19:11.57 | jelly | oh a failed mount? Let's just keep on booting... |
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| 19:12.04 | Iridos | I mean⦠before there were a lot of separate and independent systems⦠and sure, all of them had some bugs or stuff wouldn't work too well with them interacting |
| 19:12.10 | Iridos | now it's one freakin moloch |
| 19:12.15 | n4dir | yup. |
| 19:12.16 | jelly | not really |
| 19:12.18 | g0zzy | I've got a Mate desktop here. Any way of telling which theme is loaded? |
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| 19:12.40 | jelly | it's mostly just different. And as you get old, different is BAD |
| 19:12.44 | Iridos | time to go⦠sorry for constantly veering towards the offtopic today :) |
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| 19:13.21 | n4dir | jelly: i don't follow that closely, but that systemd does quite a lot of things is a different matter than being different |
| 19:13.42 | Iridos | jelly, nope. before you had separate stuff that was (mostly) in itself simple⦠and some spit and chewing gum holding it togehter⦠i.e. pretty clear apis of how stuff interacts |
| 19:13.43 | jelly | and many of those things have good reasons, too |
| 19:13.52 | Iridos | now it interacts deep inside the belly of The Moloch |
| 19:14.28 | n4dir | the good news: besides the package management it really doesn't matter any more which distro you use. |
| 19:16.23 | n4dir | until systemd takes care of that too ... |
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| 19:20.54 | Walakea | one good trick is to make the program generate text output and pipe it to less |
| 19:21.49 | Walakea | although that does not solve the problem with child processes |
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| 19:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | 57 is probably not coming to backports since it probably requires rust, as jelly pointed out over on freenode. |
| 19:27.11 | jhutchins_wk | Bother. |
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| 19:30.26 | jelly | arguably one might do a build that merely worked on stretch(+bpo) but wasn't buildable on stretch(+bpo) |
| 19:30.38 | jelly | and guess what, that's what Mozilla does |
| 19:32.17 | somiaj | everyone and their shiny new firefox! |
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| 19:43.24 | hassoon | why is debian.org in french? is the site using some user local language detection thingy to choose the language of the site? shoudln't it be in english by default ? |
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| 19:44.19 | mutante | hassoon: must be browser language or geo IP.it's not French for me |
| 19:44.36 | hassoon | mutante: ah that |
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| 19:45.00 | mutante | hassoon: https://www.debian.org/index.en.html |
| 19:45.23 | mutante | (there are the other lang links like that at the bottom) |
| 19:46.02 | hassoon | mutante: yeah but debian.org should redirected to that */index.en.html file in the backgorund imo |
| 19:46.03 | hassoon | *should be * |
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| 19:46.35 | hassoon | oh snap where did these google-chrome.list mine.list skype-stable.list come from in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 19:46.47 | hassoon | so that's why i'm getting some google eror thing where i do apt-get update |
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| 19:47.30 | mutante | hassoon: it does for me, is it not your browser language that is set to French? |
| 19:48.11 | hassoon | mutante: in fact everything in my iceweasel is english, menu, dev tools, etc |
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| 19:49.37 | mutante | hassoon: are you in a country that is French speaking? |
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| 19:55.28 | hassoon | mutante: yeah i am |
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| 19:56.16 | mutante | hassoon: i guess then it actually uses geoDNS to guess the best language from a database of IP addresses->country |
| 19:56.44 | mutante | hassoon: i agree it's not always the best idea |
| 19:57.18 | mutante | it's making a best-effort though |
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| 19:57.50 | hassoon | mutante: yep |
| 19:57.53 | mutante | you could confirm it by using Tor or a VPN |
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| 19:58.37 | n4dir | i am from Germany, and if i visit debian.org it sure isn't german |
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| 20:12.37 | RoyK | n4dir: https://www.debian.org/index.de.html |
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| 20:13.32 | RoyK | n4dir: there are links to other languages at the bottom |
| 20:13.36 | n4dir | I was giving info about the specuations regarding hassoons question |
| 20:14.34 | RoyK | the default language you get on the page corresponds to the browser's default language |
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| 20:15.34 | n4dir | ah. |
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| 20:16.43 | architekt | Is there a smooth way to install packets as a user? |
| 20:16.52 | RoyK | architekt: sudo |
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| 20:16.54 | architekt | With its dependencies into the home directory |
| 20:16.59 | RoyK | no |
| 20:17.02 | greycat | absolutely not |
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| 20:17.16 | greycat | Debian package are installed system-wide only. |
| 20:17.55 | RoyK | except things like python/perl/something that can be installed as a user |
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| 20:19.16 | greycat | not from a .deb it can't; upstream, maybe. |
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| 20:20.06 | RoyK | greycat: yes, but from pip/easy_install/cpan, you can install things as a user, but then, not libraries that it may need |
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| 20:20.20 | n4dir | perlbrew ... |
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| 20:22.35 | jelly | install "things" yes, deb packages no |
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| 20:38.13 | jhutchins_wk | On campus mainfraims, it used to be standard practice for users to install their own local software under their own $home. |
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| 20:38.35 | jhutchins_wk | That way they didn't risk "contaminating" the local environment. |
| 20:38.39 | greycat | And you can do that on Debian too, by installing upstream versions from source. |
| 20:38.49 | greycat | Not from .deb packages. |
| 20:39.00 | jhutchins_wk | This was pre package management, you would compile your own install from source. Right. |
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| 20:54.28 | architekt | I agree with jhutchins_wk. I'm on a machine which is being ssh'd into by many people |
| 20:54.30 | jadesoturi | hi all |
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| 20:54.55 | jadesoturi | trying to install phpmyadmin on a debian vm but it failes since the installer does not promt for the mysql root password.. how to fix this? |
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| 20:55.10 | architekt | And installing upstream versions is not an option. I wonder what is the reason why there is no solution available already for normal package management |
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| 20:55.30 | greycat | Because it's not designed to do that. |
| 20:55.54 | architekt | Ok. But do you also think that there is demand for that? |
| 20:56.20 | jhutchins_wk | !phpmyadmin |
| 20:56.20 | dpkg | phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle MySQL administration over the Internet. Can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. Read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian and run "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" to configure your web server. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq #phpmyadmin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:56.33 | teraflops | architekt: upstream is stable too, dev branches are the unstable ones |
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| 20:57.05 | architekt | teraflops: The problem with upstream (if you mean the same thing) is that you have to install all the dependencies by hand |
| 20:57.18 | architekt | not just $ user-install foo && ./bin/foo |
| 20:57.24 | jhutchins_wk | architekt: Most of the systems that need that kind of feature are capable of building their own package management. |
| 20:57.34 | teraflops | architekt: only the ones you do not match in your running system |
| 20:57.44 | greycat | python venv comes to mind here |
| 20:57.48 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 20:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | architekt: A good build script searches for necessary dependencies and provides a list. |
| 20:58.30 | architekt | Yeah but experience says it always takes longer then expected |
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| 21:00.50 | jadesoturi | jhutchins_wk: doesnt realy help. iv allready read the readme file. nothing there about the root password once its been set on mysql |
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| 21:06.03 | jadesoturi | all the guides say that i will be promted for the administrative user password durring phpmyadmin install - but i never am.. |
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| 21:14.07 | TJHSjjd | Where is located the updated package changelog for debian 9? |
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| 21:15.12 | greycat | each pacakge has its own changelog, in /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 21:19.41 | TJHSjjd | I see, is there a global changelog for debian (updated packages , removed unmaintained packages, etc.)? |
| 21:20.15 | Marbug | Hi, I'm creating an lxc container with the debian tamplate through ansible, but when I execute container_command eth0 isn't present, even if I wait etc.. it doesn't help. But right after that eth0 is always present. I don't have that problem with the gentoo nor ubuntu template, anyone who could lead me to the right direction in solving this problem? |
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| 21:20.53 | greycat | If it's a stretch install, the interface name may not be eth0. |
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| 21:23.08 | Marbug | greycat, well there is just lo and sit0 present, after that eth0 is added as extra |
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| 21:23.25 | Marbug | strange thing but I got the same problem with alpine |
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| 21:24.14 | dutchfish | Marbug, assuming your lan card is wired, it would be something like enp4s0 (ip a, gives you thta in a list) |
| 21:24.43 | greycat | if he's saying that it eventually shows up as eth0, then either it's not stretch, or he's modified it to use the old names |
| 21:24.48 | Marbug | shouldn't ifconfig give the same result dutchfish ? |
| 21:24.59 | greycat | and ifconfig is present? almost certainly not stretch. |
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| 21:25.10 | dutchfish | greycat, right |
| 21:25.11 | Marbug | well no lxc do create them as eth0 |
| 21:25.35 | Marbug | and what do you mean with stretch ? |
| 21:25.44 | greycat | Are you even in the right CHANNEL? |
| 21:25.55 | teraflops | I recall having eth0 after dist-upgrading from jessie on a couple of VMs |
| 21:26.13 | greycat | teraflops: yes, because it's an upgrade rather than a new install |
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| 21:30.10 | iTeV | exit |
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| 21:31.23 | Marbug | Well due to the fact it's debian, I should be in the right channel yeah |
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| 21:31.39 | greycat | !stretch |
| 21:31.39 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 21:31.57 | Marbug | it's installed through debootstrap |
| 21:32.29 | Marbug | mmm how can I check which version of the debian it is after it's installed ? |
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| 21:32.55 | Marbug | it has no less or ping even installed btw, maybe that can giee a suggestion whiich version it is :p |
| 21:33.25 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:34.09 | greycat | hard to guess which version would have ifconfig and old-style eth0 interface names, but not ping |
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| 21:34.46 | Sprinterfreak | Hi guys. I'm having troubble installing latest stretch via netboot-image from usb |
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| 21:35.34 | Sprinterfreak | First it doesn't find a "cd". Fix: mount /dev/sdb /cdrom |
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| 21:36.19 | Marbug | greycat, it said "9.1" |
| 21:36.29 | greycat | weeeird |
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| 21:37.12 | greycat | the iputils-ping package is "important" in debian 9, so it really should be there |
| 21:37.59 | Sprinterfreak | I'm running the installer in test mode. Language, network config, part and installing base system passes without errors. But then it stops with the menue at Configuring Packagemanager |
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| 21:38.10 | Marbug | I'll check later, as I need to leave |
| 21:38.17 | help-me_ | shit, today I reboot my laptop with debian jessie - it's encrypted with luks. And shit, I can't boot up right now. |
| 21:39.00 | help-me_ | I've not change my cryptsetup pass or anything. It's the same sinc 1 Year. |
| 21:39.00 | TJHSjjd | Sprinterfreak: Have you checked the integrity of the installation? |
| 21:39.06 | help-me_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.24 | Sprinterfreak | TJHSjjd: not yet. Wait a minute |
| 21:39.40 | help-me_ | what the **** , and I wrote it down, make no mistakes by typing it. |
| 21:40.12 | help-me_ | Any Ideas, suggestion or links |
| 21:40.46 | LuckyPete | Please, need the command line syntax to print multiple pdf files that are in a directory. I have tested this to work but I need to have something that mean *.pdf or something that will print all pdf files in there -- lp /home/pi/_printsub/TESTFILE2.pdf -d HP_LaserJet_Professional_P1606dn |
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| 21:41.23 | Sprinterfreak | TJHSjjd: Bad. It says its not a valid debian install cd. But how to get around this with the netinstall image from usb? |
| 21:41.36 | greycat | lp -d HP_LaserJet_Professional_P1606dn /home/pi/_printsub/*.pdf |
| 21:42.24 | TJHSjjd | Sprinterfreak: I see, did you check the sha256 of the iso before putting it into the usb? |
| 21:43.28 | Sprinterfreak | TJHSjjd: Also no. I'll do too |
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| 21:46.24 | Sprinterfreak | TJHSjjd: Sums match. I was pretty shure I have allready installed a vm before with this image |
| 21:47.15 | Sprinterfreak | This time I try to get it installed on a thin-client-like pc |
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| 21:48.18 | LuckyPete | gerycat ___ 2 thumbs up. thanks works perfectly. was doing it wrong. |
| 21:48.33 | Sprinterfreak | what is the cli equivalent of the installers "configure package manager"? |
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| 21:48.50 | greycat | editor /etc/apt/sources.list probably |
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| 21:51.27 | Sprinterfreak | greycat: This is basicly what it should do. But I allready tried to put the network-lines in /target/etc/apt/sourced.list. Without luck. Selecting software doesn't show up after this too |
| 21:52.16 | greycat | and apt-get update, within the target? |
| 21:52.34 | greycat | "within" meaning chroot, in case that wasn't clear |
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| 21:53.36 | Sprinterfreak | greycat: This is worth a try. Wait until I typed the sources.list again |
| 21:53.45 | Sprinterfreak | :( |
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| 21:57.59 | TJHSjjd | Oh, how can i be sure that my packages are being updated to the latest ones (i screwed up with some apt configurations beforehand) |
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| 21:58.13 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 21:58.14 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:58.41 | LambdaComplex | how can i get nginx's more_set_headers working on Debian 9? i thought i just needed to install nginx-extras but that apparently didn't do it |
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| 22:00.37 | TJHSjjd | greycat: thank you for the info. |
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| 22:01.36 | G3mb3ltz | help |
| 22:01.40 | G3mb3ltz | msf exploit(handler) > exploit -j |
| 22:01.41 | G3mb3ltz | [*] Exploit running as background job 0. |
| 22:01.41 | G3mb3ltz | [*] Started reverse TCP handler on 172.20.10.2:4444 |
| 22:01.41 | G3mb3ltz | msf exploit(handler) > |
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| 22:04.00 | Sprinterfreak | greycat: seems to have partly worked. chrooted into /target edited sources.list and ran apt-get update wich successfully pulled the new list. But the installer is stuck anyway. selecting software does not run |
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| 22:04.56 | Sprinterfreak | It showes a progress bar for half a second and returnes to the installer main menue |
| 22:05.25 | Sprinterfreak | without any error or hint |
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| 22:05.52 | Sprinterfreak | same for the configuring packemanager |
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| 22:16.57 | Sprinterfreak | fairly enough. It now lets me at least install aptitude to let me click the shit together manually |
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| 22:22.43 | david_ | Is there any easy way to get an idea of what sort of newer software features I would get with Debian Testing over Debian Stable? |
| 22:23.17 | Brigo | david_, installing (maybe in a VM) and check it out. |
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| 22:23.23 | Kendocino | changelog |
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| 22:24.43 | david_ | Brigo, Ok, sure, or maybe there is a live version. Would I really notice, or is there any popular software which can serve as an example? I have no way of getting a big picture representation of how different other than lots of experience. |
| 22:24.59 | Kendocino | read the changelog between versions |
| 22:25.07 | Kendocino | they tell you everything you ned to know |
| 22:26.07 | TJHSjjd | Right, i've updated the sources.list, but apt gives me these errors: https://paste.debian.net/996173 |
| 22:26.16 | david_ | I did check a few software I use and the version installed is listed as the latest on the application website and I use debian stable. |
| 22:26.46 | Brigo | david_, i would not spect big changes. |
| 22:26.49 | david_ | Clementine media player for examople. |
| 22:27.09 | Brigo | even from wheezy to stretch i don't see big changes. |
| 22:27.15 | david_ | ok |
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| 22:43.05 | TJHSjjd | now whenever i try to apt update, it gives me this error: W: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release.gpg: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
| 22:46.08 | Mathisen | TJHSjjd, mv /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.bak && apt-key update |
| 22:46.13 | Mathisen | TJHSjjd, run that as root |
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| 22:46.23 | Mathisen | if something goes bad you still got the .bak |
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| 22:48.08 | TJHSjjd | Response from the apt-key: Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore! Note: In your distribution this command is a no-op and can therefore be removed safely. |
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| 22:49.37 | Mathisen | but it ran can you update without error now ? |
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| 22:52.08 | TJHSjjd | Mathise: apt update ran without any errors, but i have to know: what causes this behaviour? |
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| 22:53.05 | Mathisen | i cant speak for what hapend |
| 22:53.16 | Mathisen | look a the .bak file permisions |
| 22:53.34 | Mathisen | and see if it tells you something |
| 22:54.19 | Sprinterfreak | packages.hs-regensburg.de mirror of deb-src is broken - 404 |
| 22:54.42 | TJHSjjd | Ah, i see now. |
| 22:56.45 | TJHSjjd | Thanks for the help. |
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| 23:44.57 | eagles0513875 | hi all i have a question what is SELinux support like on debian please? |
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| 23:47.07 | eagles0513875 | I already did phantomcircuit |
| 23:47.21 | eagles0513875 | whoops wrong person phillw i already asked no response yet |
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| 23:54.16 | kingsley | Why does the gdb stack trace at |
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| 23:54.24 | kingsley | https://paste.debian.net/996175/ |
| 23:54.37 | kingsley | omit the name of the program that caused it? |
| 23:54.55 | kingsley | Did a kernel driver crash? |
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