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| 00:10.05 | tw | that's a userspace backtrace, I should hope. |
| 00:10.21 | tw | It crashed servicing a vsyscall. |
| 00:12.03 | tw | you don't get the image name from bt, but I think it's in info files. |
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| 00:14.56 | kingsley | tw: When you wrote "image name", did you mean the name of the program run in gdb that elicits the bug? |
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| 00:18.44 | tw | kingsley: yes. the name of the program running or core file being analyzed by gdb. |
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| 00:20.10 | tw | I've never had to trace into a vsyscall though, so I don't know how that works. |
| 00:20.28 | kingsley | tw: Thank you for your thoughts. |
| 00:20.51 | kingsley | Your willingness to help and modesty are both fine qualities |
| 00:21.49 | kingsley | You gave me some key works and ideas to research. |
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| 00:21.59 | kingsley | At the risk of appearing rude, I need to go. |
| 00:22.35 | tw | if there was a kernel module crash, it'd be in dmesg. |
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| 00:43.34 | mxh- | i just got a notification and i have NO idea where it came from |
| 00:43.38 | mxh- | it came through dunst |
| 00:44.03 | mxh- | how can i see where this came from? |
| 00:44.14 | mxh- | looked like an ad |
| 00:44.27 | mxh- | Have no web browsers open. |
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| 00:45.48 | ivan | mxh-: Chrome can stay running even if you close it |
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| 00:46.29 | ivan | "Continue running background apps" chrome://settings/ |
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| 01:04.10 | mxh- | ivan: thanks! i'll look into that if it happens again |
| 01:04.30 | mxh- | don't often run chrome but i did have it open today |
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| 01:07.33 | brimonk | Anyone use Debian testing as their daily driver? |
| 01:07.41 | brimonk | Anything I need to look out for? |
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| 01:15.30 | alexandr1 | good night does anyone how to recover the space used after an update? The percentage used after the update doubled. |
| 01:16.29 | annadane | brimonk, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
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| 01:22.31 | dvs | brimonk, #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 01:33.28 | thespookypootis | does anyone use SELinux with Debian? |
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| 01:33.53 | annadane | !anyone |
| 01:33.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 01:33.59 | annadane | thespookypootis, ^ |
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| 01:35.02 | eagles0513875 | what is support like for SELinux on debian please |
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| 01:47.47 | annadane | it exists, you can use it |
| 01:47.53 | annadane | i don't know too much else about it |
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| 01:50.28 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Notes |
| 01:50.31 | annadane | eagles0513875, ^ |
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| 02:23.19 | annadane | how does one see which mailing lists one is subscribed to? |
| 02:24.07 | Tom-_ | debian mailing lists, or any mailing lists? |
| 02:25.14 | annadane | Tom-_, debian mailing lists |
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| 02:26.54 | Tom-_ | i think debian uses majordomo, it has a command to list all the lists to which you are subscribed |
| 02:28.18 | annadane | well if you find out what command let me know because i'm searching and not finding it |
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| 02:28.27 | Tom-_ | https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub If you are uncertain as to whether you are subscribed to a mailing list of ours, send mail to majordomo@lists.debian.org with which your.email@address |
| 02:28.55 | annadane | thanks |
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| 02:33.16 | annadane | yeah so doing that doesn't actually tell me |
| 02:33.28 | annadane | it just spits back a bunch of "here are commands to use" including the one i used |
| 02:33.34 | annadane | great system... |
| 02:34.05 | brw | majordomo is so 1998. |
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| 02:43.35 | tobh_ | hello, I'm having a networking issue with a debian 9 box I'm setting up. If I set the box to use DHCP, it knocks every other box on my network off. as in, pinging 192.168.1.1 from any of the other boxes results in Destination unreachable. BUT if I set this box to a static IP, it never actually connects to the network as well as not affecting the other systems. Everything else is on DHCP, and two of the |
| 02:43.41 | tobh_ | other boxes were built from the same installation media.OS and configuration-wise, they're all identical. I've exhausted Google at this point, so I come to you guys for assistance. Anyone seen something like this before? |
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| 02:57.00 | RoyK | tobh__: is this your own dhcp server? |
| 02:58.29 | tobh__ | it's the one running on my router |
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| 03:03.12 | plasmoduck | tobh__ Have you tried assigning a static IP in router using the Debian boxes MAC address? |
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| 03:04.07 | plasmoduck | tobh__ also, have you tried rebooting the router? |
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| 03:05.00 | tobh__ | plasmoduck: I have indeed rebooted the router. the problem has been persistent for a little over a week, and that was a first step the first time it took down my network. |
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| 03:05.49 | tobh__ | plasmoduck: i'll see about assigning the static IP on the router to match the configuratino in /etc/network/interfaces now though. |
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| 03:12.59 | plasmoduck | tobh__ good luck ;-) |
| 03:15.55 | tobh__ | plasmoduck: no go. /etc/init.d/networking restart takes a couple minutes to fail, and the IP is never leased from the router. :-/ the problem seems similar to this post https://askubuntu.com/questions/575487/network-eth0-dhcp-static-ip-and-autonegotiation-issues but I cannot implement the solution as no network access = no package management |
| 03:16.24 | tobh__ | plasmoduck: and of course, I didn't install ethtools during the initial install process. |
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| 03:26.05 | dongcarl | Wondering why the APT repo for security.debian.org doesn't have HTTPS? |
| 03:27.04 | aedinius | I made a mistake https://i.imgur.com/bC9HNeh.png |
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| 03:32.12 | Tom-_ | dongcarl, apt has its own PGP-based security |
| 03:33.20 | t0no6a | dongcarl : great GREAT cuestion |
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| 03:36.01 | dongcarl | Tom-_: I thought https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M0XmUu_s3H8J:https://isis.poly.edu/~jcappos/papers/cappos_mirror_ccs_08.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-ab indicated that HTTPS is needed? |
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| 03:38.09 | brimonk | Does anyone know how to 'reload' the list of desktops that gnome has available? I installed Openbox only to not have it show up in the gdm3 selection. |
| 03:38.56 | Sri_Designer | aedinius: set the system font to something sane like courier |
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| 03:39.47 | aedinius | I'm not sure where to change that |
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| 03:41.38 | Tom-_ | dongcarl, well you can keep asking if you still want an answer :) |
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| 03:49.27 | themill | dongcarl: Do check https://deb.debian.org/ ; note that https is not providing for you beyond what you've already got from the regular archive and that paper says as much. |
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| 03:50.04 | hexchat | hy |
| 03:50.10 | themill | (It's a 10 year old paper, they identify 1 thing that is a problem (relay attack) and that was mitigated straight away by the Valid-Until header) |
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| 03:50.45 | Guest6281 | help me |
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| 04:01.23 | plasmoduck | brimonk You mean the list of DE's/WM's in the login manager? Just try rebooting the system. |
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| 04:01.35 | brimonk | plasmoduck: Can do! |
| 04:01.42 | lang_ | hello |
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| 04:06.28 | plasmoduck | lang_ please state the nature of your enquiry |
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| 04:07.21 | aicra | plasmoduck: Hello - is sometimes used as a salutation... |
| 04:08.01 | dvs | aicra, he's an EDH |
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| 04:11.16 | dongcarl | themill: thanks for the info! |
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| 04:13.46 | aicra | ah |
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| 04:17.52 | annadane | edh...? |
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| 04:18.52 | dvs | annadane, emergency debian hologram |
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| 04:21.41 | dvs | annadane, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2On-nEoe1A |
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| 04:27.35 | strength | anyone have any good video tuts for server hardening a fresh install? |
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| 04:27.49 | strength | also is the lamp stack a good place to start learning administration? |
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| 04:31.06 | awal1 | how do you guys switch workspaces with middle mouse scroll on desktop on gnome-shell? |
| 04:31.24 | harami | Do Anyone knows how to triple boot win7 , ubuntu, debian? |
| 04:31.26 | awal1 | bad english, sorry :P |
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| 04:32.31 | awal1 | harami, not really on-topic. |
| 04:32.34 | aicra | awal1: Just change that in your xFree86.config file and us fn... :D |
| 04:33.05 | infornography | Oh wow, a bunch of people in here |
| 04:33.08 | harami | Where can i ask then? |
| 04:33.09 | infornography | hello |
| 04:33.17 | awal1 | aicra, fn touch? |
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| 04:33.48 | awal1 | fn key, I meant :P |
| 04:33.52 | Sveta | hi infornography :) |
| 04:34.06 | awal1 | harami, create partitions for each os |
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| 04:34.49 | harami | No how to install the bootloader for installing all three from same hdd? |
| 04:35.17 | aicra | fn keys |
| 04:35.20 | pingfloyd | easiest way is install windows first |
| 04:35.34 | aicra | awal1: touch xsession |
| 04:35.35 | harami | Then? |
| 04:35.47 | aicra | awal1: My info is decades old |
| 04:36.02 | aicra | = obsolete |
| 04:36.27 | awal1 | aicra, no xfree86 file on my system according to locate/mlocate search |
| 04:36.28 | pingfloyd | then install the other 2 dists |
| 04:36.30 | awal1 | :P |
| 04:36.40 | aicra | awal1: are you using potato? |
| 04:36.45 | awal1 | lol |
| 04:36.49 | awal1 | no |
| 04:36.53 | awal1 | sid |
| 04:37.01 | pingfloyd | only need to grub-install once, but it won't matter if you do it twice as the second run will just rewrite the boot sector |
| 04:37.01 | aicra | that's why! |
| 04:37.03 | awal1 | just trying out gnome3 |
| 04:37.19 | pingfloyd | basically you want grub to chainload windows |
| 04:37.27 | harami | Exactly |
| 04:37.54 | pingfloyd | if you install the linux dist(s) first, then windows will overwrite the mbr with its bootloader |
| 04:38.03 | pingfloyd | you can do it that way, but then you have to edit bcd |
| 04:38.23 | pingfloyd | windows bootloader is garbage anyway. Grub is greatly superior. |
| 04:38.52 | pingfloyd | most of the time os-prober will take care of putting the needed grub entry for windows |
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| 04:39.43 | aicra | awal1: If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will |
| 04:39.47 | harami | Ok. |
| 04:40.57 | harami | And another question if i install freebsd after windows will grub recognise both oses? |
| 04:42.08 | pingfloyd | that's a question for freebsd |
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| 04:46.22 | awal1 | once upon a time in the West an amateur poet called aicra... |
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| 04:48.25 | awal1 | not so bad gnome3/shell... |
| 04:48.46 | aicra | awal1: thank you for the "amateur"! :D |
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| 04:49.46 | aicra | I was burned when the closed advogato earlier this year |
| 04:49.52 | aicra | forever - Journeyer |
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| 04:54.06 | aicra | awal1: I prefer pwm |
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| 04:56.58 | aicra | twm -- too green |
| 04:57.17 | awal1 | aicra, almost openbox user here |
| 04:58.18 | aicra | interesting. It's good to get out and into irc - nice |
| 04:58.36 | aicra | why not open box... just trying gnome 3 |
| 04:58.38 | aicra | ? |
| 04:59.06 | awal1 | curious about gnome evolution |
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| 04:59.20 | aicra | evolution - the gui mail client thing? |
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| 04:59.52 | awal1 | i meant gnome development |
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| 05:00.29 | aicra | dude, I think miguel did some work and it's developed |
| 05:00.33 | awal1 | basically, a bit more stupid every day more |
| 05:00.34 | aicra | :P |
| 05:00.55 | aicra | just a bit |
| 05:01.02 | awal1 | :) |
| 05:01.08 | aicra | mine is getting into the byte category |
| 05:01.54 | awal1 | well, it is fine, but I don't find it suitable for daily use / desktop usage |
| 05:02.23 | awal1 | more suited for tablet and such stuff |
| 05:02.48 | aicra | you know my problem with tablets? |
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| 05:03.06 | aicra | I keep stepping on these... tablets are so breakable |
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| 05:04.47 | awal1 | :) |
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| 05:20.03 | lang_ | what's EDH main? |
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| 06:27.15 | darxmurf | morning |
| 06:30.20 | infornography | ello |
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| 06:37.28 | jcarpenter2 | this is strange, after rebooting this configure script errors out with "configure: error: OpenSSL library required" |
| 06:37.41 | jcarpenter2 | libssl-dev is installed of course |
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| 06:46.56 | jcarpenter2 | the line "AC_CHECK_LIB([ssl],[SSL_library_init], [], [AC_MSG_ERROR([OpenSSL library required])])" is present in configure.ac |
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| 06:48.18 | jcarpenter2 | but SSL_library_init is defined as a macro ("# define SSL_library_init() OPENSSL_init_ssl(0, NULL)") in ssl.h and the symbol SSL_library_init does not appear to be exported in libssl.a, which I guess is why it's failing |
| 06:48.25 | jcarpenter2 | but it's strange that it only started failing after I rebooted |
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| 06:59.35 | EvanCarroll | any perl devs working to maintain the perl admin tools of Debian? |
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| 07:00.35 | EvanCarroll | Would like to modernize some stuff, wondering if there would be any interest in it -- if not, I'd rather not spend the time on it |
| 07:01.53 | EvanCarroll | Wondering if we could move to PostgreSQL admin tools into their own name space, like PgCommon.pm => DistroAdmin::PostgreSQL::Common, with DistroAdmin::PostgreSQL::Debian, DistroAdmin::PostgreSQL::RedHat, and such. |
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| 07:02.25 | EvanCarroll | Or how I would go about writing such a proposal. |
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| 07:15.07 | miroesq | Brand new install of Debian Jessie on an ARM board. When doing an apt-get update, I am getting this error "Err https://oph.mdrjr.net all/xu3 armhf Packages server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none Err https://oph.mdrjr.net all/main armhf Packages" I have both ca-certificates and apt-transport-https installed so am not sure what the problem is. |
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| 07:19.23 | tarzeau_ | miroesq: what does date say? |
| 07:20.21 | miroesq | tarzeau_ super good point, let me check. forgot that can cause havoc |
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| 07:23.48 | miroesq | tarzeau_ I think you nailed it. The date is Jan 2013. I don't have timedatectl though, so am searching on a way to update the time then wil try the update agin. |
| 07:24.09 | tarzeau_ | miroesq: rdate ? |
| 07:26.00 | themill | ntp |
| 07:26.20 | miroesq | I will google both and check. |
| 07:26.34 | themill | !ntp |
| 07:26.34 | dpkg | [ntp] The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP See also <systemd-timesyncd>, <set time>, <pool.ntp> |
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| 07:28.31 | miroesq | I have ntp installed, but when I try and use timedatectl it tells me "Failed to create bus connection: No such file or directory:" |
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| 07:35.39 | miroesq | tarzeau_: themill Thank you. I changed the date and time manually and now it is working fine |
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| 07:39.44 | slax0r | hello, I had a crash on my laptop and had to reboot, after logging in, my terminal font is huge, without having changed the .Xresources file in any way, here you can see the new big chars: https://i.imgur.com/SFN6OOk.png left side is size 11, right side is size 10, and the difference is huge, here is an old screenshot for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jEHy5eA.png |
| 07:40.04 | slax0r | what else could affect font size? I also have a feeling that I'm no longer using the correct font |
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| 07:49.01 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 07:50.50 | Posterdati | please help, I have a problem with autossh: I connect to a server which tells: ssh_exhange_identification: read: Connection timeout |
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| 07:51.33 | Posterdati | this drain all my 4G modem credits because autossh produce a 0.12 kB/s traffic, how can I avoid it? Thanks |
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| 07:53.44 | jelly | Posterdati: don't autossh to a server that does not respond? |
| 07:55.33 | Posterdati | jelly: the server responds, it stops at random time |
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| 08:00.38 | jelly | Posterdati: the point of openssh is to try and reconnect; you could tune its various timeouts, and tune ssh client keepalive settings, but the only way to avoid making traffic is not to connect at all |
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| 08:02.08 | jelly | Posterdati: I'd start with ssh client's ServerAliveInterval (man ssh_config) |
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| 08:04.21 | jelly | point of autossh* |
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| 08:08.27 | srandon111 | hello all, guys if i'm on youtube in fullscreen after a while computer goes to sleep, this does not happen with vlc... do you have any idea on how to solve ? |
| 08:08.33 | endstille | good morning i'm not sure if i should ask here or in #bash, but lets try... i one debian jessie server, that doesn't want to execute bash-skripts via cron... i see the script is startet, checking journalctl, bat thats it. it finishes in the same second. even if i start running "logger 'test'" nothing is logged. |
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| 08:09.08 | srandon111 | endstille: first run the script without cron... and look for eventual errors |
| 08:09.13 | endstille | if i do the same on another jessie server it works flawlessly. do you have any idea for me, what i can check to make the script run? |
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| 08:09.20 | endstille | srandon111: i did like a hundret times |
| 08:09.29 | endstille | it defenitly works 100% fine :) |
| 08:09.33 | n4n0` | ty debhelper |
| 08:09.38 | srandon111 | endstille: did you try to redirect output and error in another file ? 2>&1 ? |
| 08:09.45 | endstille | jep |
| 08:10.00 | srandon111 | endstille: and nothing gets printed ? |
| 08:10.07 | srandon111 | sorry can you post your cron config ? |
| 08:10.19 | endstille | i think so, just a second |
| 08:11.05 | endstille | this has been logged in the redir-logfile "/usr/bin:/bin " |
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| 08:11.14 | endstille | (and nothing else) |
| 08:11.15 | srandon111 | endstille: what ? |
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| 08:12.34 | endstille | that is my current crontab, you can see several different attempts... https://pastebin.com/pzMmqS40 |
| 08:13.28 | jelly | endstille: check the mail for the user running those cron jobs. |
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| 08:16.50 | endstille | -____- i think i found it .... i commented out the PATH line, not it works |
| 08:16.56 | endstille | thanks for all your help :) |
| 08:17.04 | endstille | gonna punch my colleague now :D |
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| 08:20.41 | srandon111 | endstille: ok ok |
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| 08:54.39 | slax0r | is .Xresources the only place where font can be configured for xterm? |
| 08:54.42 | hellyeah | any suggestion for video player? |
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| 08:58.26 | kingsley | tw: I'm back. |
| 08:58.51 | kingsley | I considered and researched your comments. |
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| 08:59.43 | kingsley | You were correct that the name of the executable image was revealed by gdb's "info files" command. |
| 09:01.55 | kingsley | It seems to me that you were also correct that the pastebin contains a userspace backtrace, as I saw no crash in dmesg from a kernel module. |
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| 09:02.56 | Myrkur | Hi guys |
| 09:03.01 | kingsley | My question? |
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| 09:03.31 | Myrkur | I would like to give access to a user to all mongodb instances but without giving him access to our machine's directories, how is this possible ? |
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| 09:03.51 | Myrkur | oh Hi jubo2 ;) |
| 09:04.09 | kingsley | What's the easiest way to tell which, if any, function names in the backtrace exist in the program that crashed? |
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| 09:08.09 | Alina-malina | i have 2 separate virtual eth interface in networking namespaces, i need to asign each of them to different users, so each user have its own virtual interface, how can i do this? |
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| 09:09.33 | rubas | Hello, when I set a password 256 for a admin user, it accepts it. When I login through SSH with a password that is 256 characters long it works. But if I try to do sudo -i, and repeat the password, it says "Sorry, try again" (incorrect password) |
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| 09:10.27 | rubas | But if I lessen the password to 250 then sudo -i works... It's kinda weird, that I can login through SSH and the password is accepted, but when I do sudo -i, it won't accept it (if it's more than 250 characters) |
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| 09:11.54 | Alina-malina | rubas, why would u use 256 long password for admin user, is it an access to nuclear submarine or something? |
| 09:12.19 | rubas | Alina-malina: even worse, it's server containing one info site |
| 09:12.32 | rubas | a server* |
| 09:12.43 | Alina-malina | rubas, why dont u use rsa key just to login there? no need for passwords |
| 09:13.17 | Alina-malina | lel i have 4 sites on 1 machine and i use password of 15 characters and its very ok |
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| 09:13.53 | Alina-malina | rubas, and what is info site? |
| 09:13.56 | rubas | Alina-malina: I agree, but login through VestaCP interface requires username and password |
| 09:14.26 | rubas | Alina-malina: A info site, is a simple webpage with not that many pages |
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| 09:14.34 | rubas | Alina-malina: a information website |
| 09:14.50 | Alina-malina | rubas, i dont understand how the vestaCP interface connected to system login? |
| 09:15.12 | rubas | Alina-malina: VestaCP validates upon system users |
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| 09:15.40 | rubas | Alina-malina: So it's not possible to user their web administration panel with SSH Keys (cause it's a HTTP web administration panel) |
| 09:16.01 | ertes-w | hi⦠is there a way to display information about a repository that i can use for pinning? |
| 09:16.08 | Alina-malina | rubas, r u sure there is no options to add public keys somewhere in that vestacp? |
| 09:17.03 | rubas | Alina-malina: 100% sure - It's still possible to just insert the pubkey in /home/{user}/.ssh/authorized_keys (this works) - but there is a login interface to the webadministration panel of VestaCP that only accepts passwords. |
| 09:17.32 | Alina-malina | rubas, why not just chnge the password to something less then 256 chars? |
| 09:17.50 | rubas | Alina-malina: You're right - issue solved ;) But I just like the number 256 |
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| 09:18.05 | Alina-malina | and i like 777 it doesnt mean all my passwords are 777 chars long |
| 09:18.11 | rubas | Should be :P |
| 09:18.22 | rubas | Would suck if you liked the number 2 |
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| 09:23.15 | Alina-malina | rubas, never try to use your habbits stuff u like or something connected to you as your password, it can be easily be reverse-engeneered against u |
| 09:23.48 | rubas | Alina-malina: I never do this normally, but the customer wants me to be extreme, and extreme I want to execute for him |
| 09:24.05 | rubas | Alina-malina: I normally use RSA keys, but this VestaCP panel limits me |
| 09:24.08 | Alina-malina | rubas, yes i understand that, customer is always right :D |
| 09:24.21 | rubas | Alina-malina: Hahaha yeah right xD |
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| 09:29.58 | ertes-w | i'll ask differently: is there a way to match, say, stretch explicitly with pinning? also is there a way to match all packages from all sources? |
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| 09:39.16 | ebrasca | How to install virtio-modules? |
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| 09:40.00 | babilen | ebrasca: Do you have a link for that software? |
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| 09:41.01 | ebrasca | babilen: can I install it with apt-get? ( what link? ) |
| 09:41.16 | babilen | ebrasca: I don't know .. what are virtio modules? |
| 09:41.37 | babilen | Or what's your context |
| 09:41.48 | babilen | Are you referring to the Kernel modules? Another software? |
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| 09:42.01 | ebrasca | babilen: I start debian with in tap0 and don't get internet. |
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| 09:42.15 | ebrasca | babilen: I start parabola in tap0 it have internet. |
| 09:42.38 | ebrasca | babilen: qemu with kvm |
| 09:42.59 | ebrasca | babilen: debian is guest os |
| 09:43.32 | ebrasca | babilen: probably kernel modules |
| 09:43.48 | babilen | If you want to load those modules you should do that .. which modules do you require? |
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| 09:44.19 | ebrasca | babilen: I need internet modules |
| 09:44.53 | babilen | You might also want to grep for CONFIG_VIRTIO in /boot/config* |
| 09:45.23 | ebrasca | ??? |
| 09:45.42 | babilen | Those are the "virtio" modules you referred to earlier I belive |
| 09:45.47 | babilen | *believe |
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| 09:51.12 | Alina-malina | how to forse user to use specific v-eth interface? |
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| 09:53.24 | jonathan_x | does anyone know if block devices can be opened in a form of shared mode? |
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| 09:54.04 | jonathan_x | I am trying to create a dmsetup snapshot of a device that is already mounted. I know this used to be possible in the past. |
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| 09:55.24 | jonathan_x | But I am getting "Cannot get block device" errors out of dm_get_device(ti, origin_path, 0, ti->len, FMODE_READ, &s->origin) (this is the original code) |
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| 10:07.33 | jonathan_x | I guess ext4/super.c opens the block device in FMODE_EXCL |
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| 10:08.46 | jonathan_x | Maybe that other system was patched to allow for this... |
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| 11:03.34 | rawruw | how do you traditionally read logs in linux? Grepping /var/log/ files, is that it? |
| 11:03.51 | koollman | mostly, yes |
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| 11:04.29 | TaZeR | i genrally have someone else read them for me and tell me how to fix my problems, in this channel for example :p |
| 11:06.03 | babilen | IRC ist just a fancy interactive AI chatops style interface to google anyway |
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| 11:06.50 | babilen | rawruw: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html |
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| 11:18.20 | Stutters | hi guys :) |
| 11:18.46 | Stutters | can somebody enlighten me a little? right now I'm confused about /etc/hosts |
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| 11:19.36 | Stutters | current situation is that when trying to access my server remotely over ssh, response ("Password:") takes up to 10s.. I assume that's because of wrong entry in my /etc/hosts |
| 11:20.35 | Epakai | use ssh -v (and -vv, -vvv) to diagnose |
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| 11:21.13 | Stutters | the only problem is that I don't know what is supposed to go there exactly.. I got a static external IP, domain name as in example.com, static internal IP (provided by DHCP being 192.168.1.2) while my DHCP is on 192.168.1.1 (I hope that's enough info) |
| 11:21.22 | Stutters | Epakai: oh, trying, moment |
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| 11:23.06 | Stutters | stuck on "debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received" |
| 11:24.03 | Stutters | next step would be "debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password" where he tries out different private keys (but I assume that shouldn't take too long) |
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| 11:26.11 | Stutters | seems that this step is taking its time: "debug3: receive packet: type 51" |
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| 11:36.35 | bezaban | Stutters: see if it's quicker with -o PubkeyAuthentication=no - also instead of using hosts you can set up a .ssh/config file with an entry similar to this: http://paste.debian.net/996213/ which will let you 'ssh example' Alternatively look in to using ssh keys |
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| 11:51.07 | Virgo_ | So the trick behind Room temperature superconductivity |
| 11:51.10 | Virgo_ | has to do with the cross connections between resistivity and conductance |
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| 11:54.21 | dTal | Virgo_ droppin serious physics wisdoms into #debian |
| 11:54.42 | Virgo_ | indeed |
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| 11:54.46 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 11:57.47 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, is it possible to run a script *on the user side* when a new connection is set up with network manager? I found the scripts in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d, but because my script tries to connect on some website, and run commands depending on that, I don't feel comfortable to run it as root (and also the script is not very beautifull), so I'd love an equivalent of |
| 11:57.49 | tobiasBora | ~/.config/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/. Do you know if it exists? |
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| 12:03.57 | domovoy | hi |
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| 12:05.08 | domovoy | i'm making an init script for a program. What is better, make the program change its uid/gid, or ask start-stop-daemon to do it? |
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| 12:10.00 | Stutters | bezaban: what I did to solve this was: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config, add "UseDNS no".. but I don't really like that solution mostly because there still must be a bad configuration in the /etc/hosts |
| 12:10.55 | bezaban | Stutters: nah, not related to that, it sounds like it's timing out while trying to get the reverse lookup for your host |
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| 12:11.54 | Stutters | bezaban: yes, that... but isn't that related to the /etc/hosts? |
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| 12:12.31 | domovoy_ | i'm making an init script for a program. What is better, make the program change its uid/gid, or ask start-stop-daemon to do it? |
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| 12:15.53 | bezaban | Stutters: no, that is only available locally on your machine |
| 12:15.53 | Stutters | bezaban: how would I go about fixing the reverse lookup then? is that a problem with the registrar of my domain name? some record missing maybe? |
| 12:16.09 | Stutters | wow, our timing^^ |
| 12:16.12 | bezaban | Stutters: no, your isp sets that. For a consumer isp you can likely not do anything about it |
| 12:16.15 | bezaban | hehe |
| 12:17.07 | Stutters | okay thank you a lot :) |
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| 12:17.21 | bezaban | the owner of the ip block manages it - it's not a big deal. It only makes ip addresses show in logs instead of hostnames |
| 12:17.43 | bezaban | Stutters: and you can check the reverse lookup at any point later if you want |
| 12:18.06 | bezaban | (although that doesn't grant historical data it's really not an issue, saves disk space in a lot of cases too ;)) |
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| 12:19.44 | Stutters | bezaban: yeah, I think I'll check it some time.. I mean... I must be able to blame it on somebody else if I can't fix it :P |
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| 12:29.47 | dFence | hey guys! Something just went belly up and my /var/spool/postifx folderâs permissions are shot... |
| 12:29.52 | dFence | any idea on how to restore them? |
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| 12:30.46 | dFence | (thereâs no SElinux or anything else) |
| 12:31.06 | jelly | dFence: which debian release? |
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| 12:31.25 | dFence | jelly: stretch |
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| 12:33.48 | jelly | dFence: what do they look like right now? http://paste.debian.net/996225/ |
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| 12:34.19 | jelly | that = is a mispaste. |
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| 12:35.51 | Sepultura | Hallo |
| 12:36.01 | Sepultura | wget is installed default on Debian? |
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| 12:36.48 | mutante | it's a bit hard to define what "the default" is without going into details |
| 12:36.56 | mutante | but .. just install it if you don't have it |
| 12:37.14 | mutante | Sepultura: apt-get install wget |
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| 12:39.44 | peter-roll | is there a way to install unstable packages selectively: e.g. firefox 57 on a stable system? |
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| 12:39.58 | eoli3n | hi |
| 12:40.06 | eoli3n | i'm searching for a wakeonlan proxy |
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| 12:40.39 | jelly | peter-roll: definitely not. |
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| 12:41.14 | peter-roll | then maybe the only way to get firefox 57 on stretch is via source? or another way ... ? |
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| 12:41.51 | peter-roll | I have a slow machine: forced to use chromium for youtube, was curious if this new quantum thing from firefox will let me watch youtube on this ancient machine |
| 12:41.55 | jelly | peter-roll: that inevitably leads to installing more than you wanted. You can't even build it from sources because there's no right Rust version in stretch. You can try using Mozilla's build. |
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| 12:42.37 | jelly | peter-roll: I'd use mpv and youtube-dl for youtube instead of a browser, if seriously resource constrained. |
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| 12:43.11 | peter-roll | yeah... |
| 12:43.48 | peter-roll | I dunno, I support firefox > chromium in so far that it is less proprietary |
| 12:43.50 | tremolo | I use youtube-dl and VLC, mostly because I'd rather wait for a watchable download than wait for a stuttering stream with enough grain to feed me for a week. |
| 12:44.34 | jelly | mpv knows how to use youtube-dl to play the stream without downloading to disk |
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| 12:45.24 | tremolo | Handy, but downloading the whole thing before playing is a feature in my case. |
| 12:45.28 | Wulf | I use mpv+youtube-dl to watch all online videos. |
| 12:45.57 | Wulf | Video inside browser is an abomination. |
| 12:45.58 | tremolo | Home internet has trouble keeping up :| |
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| 12:50.10 | Sepultura | mutante, on LXDE Desktop it seems to be installed |
| 12:50.12 | ZSky | Why is there no "apt-get install nodejs" ? |
| 12:50.26 | jelly | ,v node |
| 12:50.27 | judd | Package: node on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4 |
| 12:50.30 | jelly | ,v nodejs |
| 12:50.31 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; buster: 4.8.4~dfsg-1; sid: 6.12.0~dfsg-2 |
| 12:50.41 | Sepultura | can I ask why Debian is using apt-get install/remove but apt-cache search for searching? |
| 12:50.42 | jelly | ZSky: which release are you on? |
| 12:51.03 | Sepultura | other Package Managers you don't use two commands |
| 12:51.05 | ZSky | jelly: Debian but I don't remember which one, how to know? |
| 12:51.13 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 12:51.14 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 12:51.15 | Wulf | Sepultura: use "apt" |
| 12:51.29 | ZSky | jelly 7.6 |
| 12:51.44 | jelly | ZSky: because you have a very old debian. |
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| 12:51.56 | jelly | dpkg, tell ZSky about wheezy-backports |
| 12:52.24 | Paul-- | hello |
| 12:52.37 | Paul-- | !whois |
| 12:52.38 | dpkg | methinks whois is for domainnames, or for IRC |
| 12:52.52 | Paul-- | !jwhois |
| 12:53.10 | mutante | !whatis the_question |
| 12:53.10 | jelly | Sepultura: apt-get and apt-cache were initially meant to be a proof of concept tools to work with apt library. |
| 12:53.29 | jelly | Paul--: what are you trying to do |
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| 12:54.23 | mutante | Sepultura: because if you are searching the (local) cache, you are not get'ting anything :p |
| 12:54.32 | Paul-- | I`m trying to use whois query in more advanced mode, to query whois database |
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| 12:54.33 | jelly | Sepultura: aptitude is a more inclusive option. apt command is similar. |
| 12:54.56 | jelly | Paul--: go install "whois" tool? |
| 12:54.59 | jelly | ,v whois |
| 12:55.00 | judd | Package: whois on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.1~deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 5.2.7~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.2.7; stretch: 5.2.17~deb9u1; buster: 5.2.18; sid: 5.2.18 |
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| 12:55.38 | Paul-- | jelly, I installed it |
| 12:56.00 | Paul-- | I discovered jwhois too, another client |
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| 12:57.57 | Paul-- | man page give a lot of options, but they don't go |
| 12:58.17 | Paul-- | the simple use is obvious |
| 12:58.38 | Sepultura | jelly, so if I use aptitupe I can search, install and remove like on other package Managers? |
| 12:58.43 | jelly | Paul--: you got an example command line that fails to work? |
| 12:58.52 | jelly | Sepultura: yes |
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| 12:59.36 | jelly | but apt-cache is more handy for a simple substring search on package names and descriptions |
| 12:59.36 | Paul-- | whois -a |
| 12:59.44 | Paul-- | whois -b |
| 12:59.46 | Paul-- | etc |
| 12:59.58 | Paul-- | whois -g ?? |
| 13:00.19 | jelly | Paul--: what are you trying to achieve doing just "whois -a" ? |
| 13:00.44 | jelly | are you sure that's the complete command line? |
| 13:00.47 | mutante | 'whois -a' works for me. it outputs the usage information :) |
| 13:01.02 | Paul-- | -a also search all mirrored databases |
| 13:01.06 | Paul-- | man which |
| 13:01.12 | Paul-- | man whois |
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| 13:02.30 | mutante | Paul--: that says the command needs an OBJECT |
| 13:02.35 | Paul-- | yes usage is not command option explained in man |
| 13:03.11 | Paul-- | it's the same |
| 13:03.13 | jelly | Paul--: whois -b 213.133.107.227 # works for me |
| 13:03.55 | jelly | are you just saying the manual page is not complete? |
| 13:04.40 | Paul-- | incomplete and maybe bugget I don't know |
| 13:05.02 | Paul-- | the manual say to read rfc 3912 and stop |
| 13:05.23 | Paul-- | in the source packet aren`t more information |
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| 13:06.15 | Paul-- | not examples , the same for jwhois |
| 13:06.59 | Paul-- | whois -B ??? could show e-mail abuse address ? |
| 13:08.07 | Paul-- | must I read rfc 3912 to understand how use whois and jwhois in advanced mode? |
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| 13:08.52 | jelly | probably |
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| 13:09.59 | jelly | Paul--: I have no idea what -B is, -b seems to be the abuse address thing. Be careful, most unix commands care abot CaSe AnD DiFfErEnT case means different things |
| 13:10.05 | peter-roll | jelly: fwiw, just tried firefox from binary; still can't run youtube without freezing on my system, even with quantum..chromium lightyears ahead (unfortunately) |
| 13:10.37 | jelly | peter-roll: I guess that explains why I've been using chrome for youtube for years |
| 13:10.48 | peter-roll | true that. |
| 13:11.10 | peter-roll | I hate it; I want to believe that the open-source community is better at EVERYTHING |
| 13:11.24 | Paul-- | jelly, I know case-sensitive rules on unix , I`m trying to understand whois usage information |
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| 13:22.06 | Paul-- | ok,this is about debian not about internet protocols and database |
| 13:22.44 | jelly | AFAIUI, many of those options are passed as-is to the whois server |
| 13:22.58 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.55 | Paul-- | what is the difference from whois and jwhois ? maybe the query type ? |
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| 13:25.08 | Paul-- | jelly, where found more information about this? |
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| 13:55.06 | captain | Hello, in Debian Stretch I am trying to apply a patch to avrdude and recompile. having some issues however |
| 13:56.16 | captain | I have gone to the following site to get the software and apply the patch: https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-amd64/avrdude_6.3-2_amd64.deb.html |
| 13:56.36 | captain | however these are deb packages. not so evident |
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| 13:56.59 | captain | thus I got the software directly from avrdude's hosting site |
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| 13:57.26 | captain | applied the patch. installed dependencies. no go |
| 13:57.53 | gpunk | you need to get the source package of avrdude |
| 13:58.26 | gpunk | "apt source $package" |
| 13:58.45 | captain | the tar.gz? |
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| 13:59.00 | captain | I got it straight for here download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/avrdude/ |
| 13:59.18 | captain | gpunk I will try your method |
| 13:59.33 | gpunk | no, that the orginal tarball/sources |
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| 14:00.10 | gpunk | you wanna patch debian's version ? thats what kinda yousaif |
| 14:00.17 | n4dir | been a while, but i think you add (or just leave) the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources list and get the source via apt-get source (but i am not too sure bout the command) |
| 14:00.18 | gpunk | you said* |
| 14:00.24 | n4dir | might also be apt-source get or such |
| 14:00.44 | n4dir | oh, too late, sorry gpunk |
| 14:00.50 | gpunk | ;) |
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| 14:00.54 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 14:00.55 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 14:08.56 | captain | gpunk I tried what you suggested. got the package applied: patch < endpoint.patch, ./configure, make... then errors |
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| 14:09.36 | captain | I will study the message given by here by dpkg |
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| 14:25.57 | luxpir | quick one: best way to 'install' firefox 57 so that I can use it from dmenu and as default - currently opening thunar to find the start script... not ideal |
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| 14:26.26 | captain | dpkg , mmm so far it kinda looks like it's working |
| 14:26.27 | dpkg | captain: i haven't a clue |
| 14:26.49 | captain | jelly so far it looks like it's working |
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| 14:29.24 | luxpir | should I move the folder to /usr/bin/firefox? |
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| 14:31.02 | gpunk | luxpir /usr/local/bin |
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| 14:32.40 | jelly | luxpir: unpack it to /opt/firefox, symlink /opt/firefox/firefox to /usr/local/bin |
| 14:33.06 | jelly | luxpir: do NOT move any folder to either /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 14:33.16 | apollo13 | you can just as well keep it in your homedir |
| 14:33.30 | apollo13 | then create a .desktop file to start it and assign that to autorun associations |
| 14:33.57 | jelly | doesn't really matter where, just that the folder and contents are owned by your own user, so firefox will be able to update itself automatically |
| 14:34.18 | apollo13 | yeah, hence I'd rather keep it out of /opt ;) |
| 14:34.40 | captain | holy crap! that dpkg trick worked! wow! |
| 14:34.44 | jelly | we'll have to agree to disagree. |
| 14:35.08 | apollo13 | jelly: curious, why? generally I try to limit writable dirs for arbritrary users outside their /home |
| 14:35.12 | captain | never rebuilt a package, that was insane |
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| 14:35.41 | captain | well, never successfully rebuilt a package like that I mean. wow... |
| 14:35.44 | jelly | apollo13: I try not to put lots of executable stuff inside my home. |
| 14:36.12 | jelly | apollo13: and my workstations are not really multiuser systems. |
| 14:36.45 | jelly | so my /opt is drwxrwxr-x 16 root adm 4096 Nov 15 11:45 . |
| 14:36.51 | jelly | writable by user jelly. |
| 14:36.57 | tw | my /home is noexec,nosuid,nodev so it makes it harder to run binaries out of it. |
| 14:37.15 | captain | thank you jelly |
| 14:37.26 | jelly | !botsnack |
| 14:37.26 | dpkg | aw, gee, jelly |
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| 14:37.43 | tremolo | I don't have write access to my firefox install in /opt |
| 14:38.14 | tremolo | It can't update itself, but it's good at reminding me to do it manually. |
| 14:38.21 | jelly | tremolo: that's fine as well, but then automatic updates do not work |
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| 14:39.21 | jelly | apollo13: I'm less casual with servers or multiuser systems |
| 14:39.34 | n4dir | with all the applications in the debian repo the question how to install software outside of them pretty much never turned up for me ... (i sure heard of opt and local, but that's about it). |
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| 14:39.52 | apollo13 | jelly: fair enough, my workstation is the exception usually since I am always working on servers, hence I tend to apply the same things locally |
| 14:40.26 | n4dir | installing them there sounds like a no-brainer, the question how to add them to menus is a different one (but then: i use the command prompt anyway ...) |
| 14:40.41 | tw | menus are all xdg .desktop files. |
| 14:40.56 | tw | well, not all, but a lot of them use .desktop files these days. |
| 14:40.57 | apollo13 | n4dir: .desktop file :) |
| 14:41.12 | tw | you can still explicitly make menus. |
| 14:41.50 | n4dir | ah, like that. okay |
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| 14:42.31 | tw | file associations and mime dispatch are also done through those same desktop files. |
| 14:42.51 | apollo13 | mostly yes |
| 14:42.52 | tw | (which is a lot like the way windows registry does overlays <.<) |
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| 14:43.42 | n4dir | still: my point was that such problems turn up in debian rather seldom . |
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| 14:44.59 | n4dir | a curse and a blessing ... |
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| 14:46.04 | tw | I work with a lot of COTS (paid) packages. It comes up a lot. |
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| 14:46.22 | n4dir | yes, i see. |
| 14:46.31 | tw | Also with dev tools and supported build chains, you get similar issues. |
| 14:46.51 | tw | By supported, I mean "this exact combination of tools is required to get vendor support" |
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| 14:50.34 | tw | unrelated question, has anyone managed to make netjack/jackd2 start with systemd or inetd? |
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| 14:51.24 | tw | I want it to start jackd if it isn't already running and have it load the netmanager module. |
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| 15:02.06 | luxpir | gpunk: jelly thx folks, I just symlinked to /usr/local/bin and it shows up in dmenu |
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| 15:02.19 | gpunk | :) |
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| 15:03.57 | luxpir | gpunk: but setting it as default is another matter :) |
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| 15:04.22 | luxpir | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 15:04.26 | gpunk | :) |
| 15:04.31 | luxpir | only shows chromium x2 and surf |
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| 15:10.57 | ertes-w | if i would like to figure out how exactly a package was built, where would i look? |
| 15:11.12 | ertes-w | to figure out configure flags, patches, etc. |
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| 15:12.31 | gpunk | apt souce $package |
| 15:12.37 | gpunk | and read the files ... |
| 15:12.48 | mutante | ertes-w: you can unpack the package with dpkg-deb or with "ar vx" and then "tar -xfv" |
| 15:13.07 | mutante | and then look at the control/rules files inside |
| 15:13.30 | ertes-w | thanks |
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| 15:19.45 | ertes-w | i was able to get a bunch of files via dpkg-deb -e, but none of them included build information |
| 15:21.21 | babilen | ertes-w: You're after the .dsc or the git tree .. a "debcheckout foo-pkg" in a suitable directory should work |
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| 15:25.47 | ertes-w | debcheckout doesn't seem to be available⦠do i need to install a package? |
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| 15:27.12 | gpunk | you'll get them from the source package |
| 15:27.21 | gpunk | hence "apt source $package" |
| 15:28.02 | ertes-w | apt: invalid flag: source |
| 15:28.09 | FullmetalSora | Hello ! I have problem with 9.1 (Cinnamon environment). The left and right click of my touchpad are both assigned to left click and I have to use two fingers on the touchpad to be able to do a right click. How can I change the behavior of the right click of my touchpad so I can use it to right click ? |
| 15:28.09 | babilen | "apt-get .." |
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| 15:28.31 | babilen | ertes-w: And debcheckout is in the devscripts package |
| 15:28.38 | gpunk | my apt works |
| 15:28.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell ertes-w -about apt-file |
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| 15:29.15 | ertes-w | ah, there we go⦠thanks |
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| 15:30.10 | ertes-w | hmm, doesn't work⦠this is an etch system, and the goal of this endeavor is basically to get it updated |
| 15:30.30 | babilen | What doesn't work, what have you tried and how does it fail? |
| 15:30.42 | ertes-w | "A Vcs-* field is missing in its source record" |
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| 15:30.55 | babilen | Well .. etch is rather old |
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| 15:31.24 | babilen | Frankly, I'd just "retire" (i.e. burn with fire) that system and install a new one with the data from your old |
| 15:31.44 | ertes-w | babilen: that's the goal, but i can't just retire it |
| 15:31.45 | gpunk | you can upgrade it ! |
| 15:31.59 | babilen | ertes-w: apt-get source .. shouldn't complain about that though |
| 15:32.01 | jelly | ertes-w: first you need deb-src lines (for etch) enabled in sources.list. Without those, apt-get source won't work |
| 15:32.09 | babilen | But you ... ^ |
| 15:32.20 | ertes-w | ah, indeed |
| 15:32.47 | ertes-w | that worked, thanks a lot |
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| 15:43.42 | Stutters | guys, what does LC_ALL locale do exactly? I want the server to display things in en_US but the keyboard layout to be in de_CH... what should I get LC_ALL to then? (I get an error because it's not set yet) |
| 15:44.54 | jordanm | Stutters: LC_* variables are only used for display, not kb layouts |
| 15:45.27 | Stutters | jordanm: thanks :) so I can set it to en_US then without hesitation? |
| 15:46.05 | jordanm | Stutters: en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:46.30 | jordanm | Stutters: use dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:50.40 | pragomer | any idea: I can create folders and files to a vbox-share, but cannot write to the file (make changes and saved it) |
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| 16:02.30 | tw | Is there a jack2 package for systems without x11? |
| 16:02.48 | tw | jackd2 |
| 16:03.04 | somiaj | what piece of x11 does jack2 actually depend on? Many packages in debian will depend on a minimial x11 libaries so they can also be used with x11 |
| 16:03.09 | peter-roll | what is the difference between jack daemon in terms of latency and the standard ALSA? |
| 16:03.26 | peter-roll | I mean, is it really necessary? |
| 16:03.28 | tw | somiaj: it wants dbus to autoload something. |
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| 16:04.01 | tw | peter-roll: not a lot, but it conveniently provides netjack, which alsa does not. |
| 16:04.12 | somiaj | tw: I do see that it depends on dbus, does it not work if you don't have x11 running or dbus running? |
| 16:04.23 | gui_ | Hello |
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| 16:04.30 | peter-roll | I know that a lot of music producers promote jack as a dependency in apps |
| 16:04.39 | peter-roll | kind of annoying, if not necessary |
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| 16:04.49 | tw | Unless I somehow need to start dbus manually. |
| 16:05.05 | gui_ | Is that the right place to ask for support with debian? |
| 16:05.07 | tw | peter-roll: it's significantly lower latency than alsa-dmix and pulseaudio. |
| 16:05.19 | tw | while still providing mixing capability |
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| 16:05.35 | peter-roll | oh |
| 16:05.40 | tw | Not that it's relevant in my use case. |
| 16:05.54 | peter-roll | well, that would make the difference, esp. if you have drums or something going at 180 bpm |
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| 16:07.18 | tw | This is the error I get: https://paste.debian.net/996254/ |
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| 16:07.32 | gui_ | I just installed debian jessie on a new iMac 4K |
| 16:07.35 | tw | I assume I need to coerce dbus into making the right choice. |
| 16:07.43 | gui_ | Everything seems to work fine |
| 16:07.48 | gui_ | except the sound |
| 16:07.53 | gui_ | I get no sound at all |
| 16:08.37 | peter-roll | booted up debian live on an old dell once, no bluetooth |
| 16:09.04 | peter-roll | wonder if this is a known thing ... checked dmesg and it just failed to bind |
| 16:09.19 | peter-roll | lxde as desktop environment; perhaps gnome would have fixed it via some conf. app |
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| 16:14.39 | peter-roll | btw, what is the channel for the C programming language? |
| 16:14.44 | tw | ##C |
| 16:14.53 | peter-roll | thx |
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| 16:17.15 | RedSoxFan07 | Is C lower-level than C++? |
| 16:17.45 | gpunk | yes |
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| 16:17.54 | gpunk | actually not |
| 16:18.00 | gpunk | it is the same |
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| 16:18.28 | tw | It's not really higher level. It allows more abstract constructs. |
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| 16:19.48 | tw | This is how I got jackd2 working without x11: https://paste.debian.net/996256/ |
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| 16:20.25 | peter-roll | low level? the low level stuff is just pointers, no? |
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| 16:22.46 | tw | typically you define low-level by its coupling to machine/os and what language abstractions it provides vs hardware interfaces. |
| 16:23.08 | tw | in that sense, both C and C++ are relatively high level languages. |
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| 16:23.34 | peter-roll | yeah, the libraries |
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| 16:25.46 | dorian___ | Hey. When I run dmd (a D compiler that I got from the repo) debian (4.13.0-1-amd64) crashes. Is there a list of bugs that I can check to see if it'll be fixed soo n? |
| 16:26.14 | dorian___ | (Note: it has been crashing for a while now) |
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| 16:30.18 | RedSoxFan07 | dorian___: I just looked up D. Very interesting. |
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| 16:31.00 | no_gravity | Is there a way to see all channels of the WiFi networks around you? |
| 16:31.30 | RedSoxFan07 | no_gravity: Unless you mean in CLI/Terminal, I expect it depends on your DE. |
| 16:32.03 | no_gravity | RedSoxFan07: I mean terminal. |
| 16:32.33 | no_gravity | iwlist scan seems to work. |
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| 16:34.35 | dorian___ | RedSoxFan07, well I you know do a lot of c++ and hate it (as you should), you will find D very charming at first |
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| 17:14.05 | Satou | Hello, i have a question. I have a script running at startup in init.d that requires ifconfig down and then up, the script works, but network-manager connects to the network and i can't have internet access until i reconnect to the network. Can someone point me on how to fix this/why is this happening? |
| 17:14.50 | FullmetalSora | Hello ! I have problem with 9.1 (Cinnamon environment). The left and right click of my touchpad are both assigned to left click and I have to use two fingers on the touchpad to be able to do a right click. How can I change the behavior of the right click of my touchpad so I can use it to right click ? |
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| 17:23.06 | edoceo | Greetings! I'm using Stretch, PHP7 which tries to write a file to /tmp -- PHP indicates it succeeds, no errors in Apache logs either, but no file is written |
| 17:23.46 | edoceo | Same code works w/o issue on Jessie; and other other Linux flavours with PHP5 and PHP7 |
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| 17:29.43 | LuckyPete | Please help, newbee,Debian linux running on Raspberrypi3, I tried many thing to start an claws-mail application on boot but it just does not work. in crontab I added "@reboot /usr/share/applications/claws-mail.desktop", also "@reboot claws-mail", always updating cron with "sudo update-rc.d cron defaults" nothing works |
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| 17:31.50 | phogg | LuckyPete: claws-mail is graphical, you would need wait for X to be up and then tell it about the X environment in order for it to start and display in X. You probably will also want it not to run as root. |
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| 17:32.22 | LuckyPete | ok but how can i delay this to after x is up |
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| 17:33.07 | phogg | LuckyPete: typically you would add the application to an X startup file such as .xinitrc, or to a Window Manager-specific startup file. |
| 17:33.25 | LuckyPete | I see it will be better after all is started because I need network and network printer access |
| 17:33.27 | phogg | LuckyPete: does your X start up and automatically log you in to a desktop or do you login yourself? |
| 17:33.56 | LuckyPete | yes it goes to the end and i have desktop |
| 17:34.16 | rockworld | Hi everybody I would like to install debian on my small netbook I need a amd64 Iso but I need to install it with a usb flash drive and Im on windows I would like to know which iso could you sugger me to install .. ? Thanks |
| 17:34.28 | jhutchins | I thought it had become standard to start ntp with the -x option to hard set the time regardless of offset when ntp starts, rather than using slew. |
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| 17:34.33 | jhutchins | Has that changed? |
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| 17:35.09 | jhutchins | rockworld: The netinstall iso is usually recommended. It's small, and it only downloads packages you actually install. |
| 17:35.23 | NoeticBSD | rockworld: if you are on windows, go and download Rufus, it will take the ISO file, setup the usb dirve and make it bootable |
| 17:35.32 | NoeticBSD | you will then be able to install from the USB, |
| 17:35.49 | rockworld | thanks :) |
| 17:35.51 | NoeticBSD | np |
| 17:36.07 | NoeticBSD | rockworld: https://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
| 17:37.12 | rockworld | downloaded and installed already mounted configured and ... yeah perfect :) thanks friend |
| 17:39.02 | rockworld | but the netinstall will install the desktop ? |
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| 17:40.36 | rockworld | rufus best software ever for this step |
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| 17:41.41 | annadane | rockworld, i didn't see the rest of the conversation but don't use rufus to write debian images |
| 17:41.43 | annadane | !rufus |
| 17:41.44 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:41.48 | annadane | !win32diskimager |
| 17:41.48 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:41.52 | annadane | ^ use that instead |
| 17:42.46 | rockworld | rea;; |
| 17:42.52 | rockworld | really |
| 17:42.55 | rockworld | lol |
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| 17:43.24 | rockworld | im gonna use it |
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| 17:46.28 | NoeticBSD | dpkg: i have used rufus multiple times to make deb images and never had a issue. |
| 17:46.29 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, NoeticBSD |
| 17:46.29 | LuckyPete | any suggestion to start my app after X desktop is finish startup |
| 17:47.01 | NoeticBSD | wrong nick lol |
| 17:47.04 | rockworld | good bot |
| 17:47.06 | rockworld | :) |
| 17:47.34 | NoeticBSD | annadane: that was meant for you ,lol, i have never had a issue with .......and you logged out |
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| 17:49.31 | kion | when I turn on my laptop on the login screen, I have 3 options to log in: System X11 Default, Gnome and Gnome Classic. what is the difference between them? |
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| 17:53.14 | NoeticBSD | kion: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html |
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| 17:53.42 | NoeticBSD | i think X11 default is just raw X11. IDK |
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| 17:55.25 | kion | thanks |
| 17:55.49 | phogg | NoeticBSD: X11 Default might be twm, or it might just be a pointer to one of the other options. |
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| 18:04.52 | MikeDebian | does have anyone noticed wrong coloring on videos played through chrome on linux lately? it seems it started after last update |
| 18:05.29 | ascetik | 9.2.1 or sid? |
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| 18:07.29 | MikeDebian | Version 61.0.3163.100 (Official Build) (64-bit) on debian 8 |
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| 18:08.54 | MikeDebian | the most notorious issue (and probably the only one) has to do with shadows and/or low light videos/areas... |
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| 18:11.03 | ascetik | No idea, sorry. |
| 18:11.24 | ascetik | weechat smartfilter y u no work! |
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| 18:16.26 | kion | rockworld, I have allways made my bootable usb sticks using dd |
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| 18:16.49 | kion | rockworld, works perfectly and you dont have to install anything else |
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| 18:18.00 | jelly | MikeDebian: google-chrome-stable is up to 62.0.3202.94-1 now |
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| 18:23.00 | MikeDebian | jelly, just closed and opened it again and that's my current version actually...still the same |
| 18:23.56 | ascetik | doesn't apt update force all packages to update to the latest stable release? |
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| 18:24.21 | petn-randall | ascetik: "apt update" just updates the package list. |
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| 18:24.53 | ascetik | ah ok |
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| 18:25.10 | ascetik | im still learning forgive my noobery |
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| 18:26.57 | petn-randall | ascetik: Luckily apt comes with an excellent man page to read. You probably want "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" as parameter. |
| 18:27.11 | MikeDebian | ascetik, "apt-get update" updates the package list and "apt-get upgrade" is when you really updated the packages |
| 18:27.40 | ascetik | ok makes sense |
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| 18:42.05 | FrEaKmAn_ | hi all.. I'm trying to create a user to be used for running apps.. are there any best practices how to create this user? without home dir, password etc? |
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| 18:44.28 | n4dir | either adduser or useradd is recommended. The manpage will tell you which of both is deprecated |
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| 18:45.06 | n4dir | well: i checked myself. adduser is the way to go |
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| 18:45.21 | nkuttler | unless you want to add user 0day |
| 18:45.29 | FrEaKmAn_ | I'm reading this https://superuser.com/questions/77617/how-can-i-create-a-non-login-user |
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| 18:45.45 | FrEaKmAn_ | so user should not be able to login and without home folder |
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| 18:46.21 | nkuttler | FrEaKmAn_: check man adduser |
| 18:47.04 | nkuttler | FrEaKmAn_: why no home though? what purpose does that account have? |
| 18:47.05 | aloo_shu | FrEaKmAn_: depending on what you mean by 'apps', you might be running into trouble, since a good lot of apps will expect a home dir to store per-user config for the user they're running as |
| 18:47.19 | nkuttler | right.. |
| 18:47.22 | FrEaKmAn_ | adduser apps --no-create-home --disabled-login |
| 18:47.33 | nkuttler | FrEaKmAn_: what's your actual goal? |
| 18:47.40 | nkuttler | running apps, yes, but to what end? |
| 18:47.52 | FrEaKmAn_ | this is for server, so user to run web apps |
| 18:48.20 | nkuttler | you definitely want a home for them, i like /srv/www/app |
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| 18:49.13 | FrEaKmAn_ | I have apps under /var/www, controlled by www-data group |
| 18:49.23 | FrEaKmAn_ | so I was thinking about adding user to www-data group |
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| 18:50.03 | NoeticBSD | FrEaKmAn_: so you are trying to make a user account to be able to edit the website file/admin the webserver right? |
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| 18:50.34 | FrEaKmAn_ | no, to run apps.. I'm using uwsgi to run python app.. based on the warning, I need specific user |
| 18:50.43 | FrEaKmAn_ | specific -> dedicated |
| 18:50.45 | aloo_shu | --no-create-home might stil not be a bad idea, since afaik it will build a home dir from a default template, but you could still add a home manually or possibly use another switch on adduser |
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| 18:51.09 | aloo_shu | s/it/adduser |
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| 18:56.55 | FrEaKmAn_ | seems to be working.. thanks for the help! |
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| 19:13.54 | dreamon | hello having issue with apt-get â http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25979775/ |
| 19:14.06 | dreamon | I had a not booting rpi and solved it by coping the boot data back to its partition.. since than.. how can I fix it? |
| 19:14.35 | dreamon | nobody could help me on #raspberrypi |
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| 19:18.24 | qmr | What do I need to do to get a KVM guest in proxmox to boot after installing Debian inside an LV with debootstrap and installing a kernel? |
| 19:18.24 | n4dir | !de |
| 19:18.25 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:18.54 | n4dir | dreamon: a) they will be able to understand the output and b) might be their policy is less strict when it comes to distros based on debian |
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| 19:20.23 | domovoy_ | about init script "status" action: what should be the status when a pidfile lists multiple pids, and they don't all have the same status? (ie: some are running, others are dead, others are dead but are stil in /var/lock) |
| 19:21.15 | dreamon | n4dir, its a raspbian OS thought its nearly the same |
| 19:21.51 | n4dir | i know, and i wouldn't care, but this channel is rather strict (as long no one complains ... ) Anyway: good luck |
| 19:21.59 | apollo13 | how can I change the default dejavu font in debian to roboto or something else? |
| 19:22.44 | apollo13 | an rtfm link is more than enough, but my google foo is failing me |
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| 19:27.42 | apollo13 | https://eev.ee/blog/2015/05/20/i-stared-into-the-fontconfig-and-the-fontconfig-stared-back-at-me/ ha, great read |
| 19:28.34 | freenoodle | Hi, on my fresh debian buster install that I set up today, gnome-software always asks for the root password, on another machine with stretch installed, it does everything without password. I guess this has to do with policykit, but in /etc/polkit-1 I have no luck grepping for "soft" "pack" or "install" |
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| 19:34.25 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 19:34.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:34.29 | annadane | freenoodle, ^ |
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| 19:38.22 | Turms | good evening (at least in europe) :-) |
| 19:38.42 | coderphive | Good afternoon (at least in murica) :) |
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| 19:40.34 | aloo_shu | lol freenoodle ! |
| 19:40.42 | aloo_shu | my next nick |
| 19:41.46 | Turms | I've just updated my system and evolution gives segmentation fault! it is a tragedy most of my accounts are dealt with by it! has anyone else experienced this problem? can it be connected to the fact that libwebkit2gtk is not upgraded |
| 19:43.45 | coderphive | Turms You should probably show us the error somehow |
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| 19:46.22 | Turms | if I run evolution from the terminal I get: (evolution:10260): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit: assertion 'string != NULL' failed - segmentation fault |
| 19:47.12 | Turms | coderphive: if I run evolution from the terminal I get: (evolution:10260): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit: assertion 'string != NULL' failed - segmentation fault |
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| 19:49.17 | jordanm | Turms: was it an upgrade of testing or unstable? |
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| 19:50.46 | Turms | jordanm: testing |
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| 19:52.16 | jordanm | wow... evolution has a lot of segfault bugs |
| 19:52.50 | coderphive | Are your other gnome applications working fine? |
| 19:53.17 | Turms | coderphive: well I use xfce4 |
| 19:53.17 | n4dir | pointing out the obvious: if anything may be a "tragedy", then testing isn't the right distribution |
| 19:53.26 | coderphive | ^ |
| 19:53.30 | coderphive | +1 |
| 19:54.02 | coderphive | That segfault is a bit vague |
| 19:54.17 | Turms | n4dir: well you are right, but I use testing early since woody was testing and has never had severe problems |
| 19:54.35 | coderphive | That's a poor assumption to make |
| 19:55.05 | n4dir | same experience here. My comment really wasn't outstanding helpful ... # |
| 19:55.14 | rhizome | which takes precedence for the thunderbird data directory, ~/.thunderbird or ~/.icedove? i'm having trouble restoring a profile. |
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| 19:56.15 | Turms | well n4dir coderphive tragedy in this case means that I've to loose time to recover mails etc. thanking god webmails exist |
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| 19:56.45 | coderphive | Turms I think the point is that testing is not regarded as a stable release |
| 19:56.53 | coderphive | and it's not meant to be |
| 19:56.58 | coderphive | even if it happens to be |
| 19:57.16 | Turms | coderphive: obviously I know, but I repeat I never had real problems |
| 19:58.12 | greycat | Most of the people who report "never having a problem with testing" for umpteen years, when pressed, will typically say something like "and I follow the security announcements, and I don't upgrade if X, or Y, or Z happens, and if A, B or C happens I know how to undo it ..." |
| 19:58.22 | Turms | coderphive: now the problem is that while it is easy migrating from Thunderbird to Evolution, it doesn't appear to be the same the other way round |
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| 19:59.47 | n4dir | greycat: yeah, or a backup solution for the OS, if things go south, restore. You sure don't remember such 2 years later ... |
| 20:00.43 | coderphive | Turms We'd probably need better debug output from Evolution |
| 20:00.44 | Turms | greycat: thank you for your pearls of wiseness :-DF |
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| 20:01.39 | coderphive | Turms The point being testing for people who like software testing, not to be on a "stable" bleeding edge |
| 20:02.03 | Turms | coderphive: you are right, obviously |
| 20:02.36 | n4dir | what i would do (again pretty obvious): a) wait for further upgrades, hopefully of evolution too and b) in the meantime check the bugreports |
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| 20:02.55 | n4dir | and c) assuming they give such a hint, consider if using the version from sid might be a choice |
| 20:02.57 | Turms | and from time to time I cp on another partition |
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| 20:03.22 | n4dir | on sid i usually just waited, and most of problems got solved by an upgrade in the following days |
| 20:03.26 | coderphive | Turms do `CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& ~/evo_debug.log` |
| 20:03.39 | coderphive | then start evolution from command line |
| 20:03.46 | coderphive | that log file should have some useful bits |
| 20:04.08 | Turms | coderphive: this time I felt confident that nothing would happen and I've updated and AFTERWARDS I've copied on the other partition |
| 20:04.23 | Turms | coderphive: thank you! :-) |
| 20:05.35 | Turms | coderphive: no avail! CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& ~/evo_debug.log gives "segmentation fault" |
| 20:06.06 | coderphive | O.o |
| 20:06.27 | coderphive | Without knowing much about evolution, it sounds like the problem is deeper than GTK |
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| 20:08.01 | Turms | coderphive: and there is no evolution-dbg |
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| 20:08.41 | Turms | coderphive: thank you anyway! I try on gnome chat |
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| 20:09.55 | coderphive | Turms https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libepoxy/+bug/1574886 |
| 20:10.24 | coderphive | That has to do with Ubuntu, but it's along the same problems you're having |
| 20:12.02 | Turms | coderphive: thanbk you very much :-) |
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| 20:14.41 | Turms | coderphive: and, BTW Ubuntu is based on sid, isn't it? :-) |
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| 20:21.19 | vira | Ñем пÑивеÑ! |
| 20:21.25 | annadane | !ru |
| 20:21.26 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 20:21.45 | vira | hi all!) |
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| 20:59.20 | diamvw | Did anyone manage to install debian 9.2 with secure boot enabled? I don't want to disable it |
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| 21:00.52 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot -- might help, though it says it is a bit outdated and gives a bug number to look at |
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| 21:14.03 | expert975 | What command can I use to see my video card vendor? |
| 21:14.14 | greycat | lspci -nn | grep -i VGA |
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| 21:17.18 | expert975 | Where can I find video drivers for Intel? |
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| 21:18.13 | greycat | they're installed by default |
| 21:18.30 | greycat | if you need firmware (some of the newer chipsets do), install that from non-free |
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| 21:19.01 | expert975 | My computer freezes from time to time. I suspect it's related to the video |
| 21:19.47 | DerLGm | expert975: freezes how |
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| 21:20.20 | greycat | what evidence leads you to believe it's related to video? |
| 21:20.35 | expert975 | Mouse stops moving, can't connect via SSH, sysRq does nothing |
| 21:20.52 | expert975 | I had the same problem on my other computer, it was fixed by installing the proprietary Nvidia drivers |
| 21:20.52 | DerLGm | does it still play audio? |
| 21:21.00 | expert975 | I'm not sure, I think it does |
| 21:22.19 | expert975 | The terminal on F1 says something like "NAK bailout" |
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| 21:22.30 | DerLGm | hmmm |
| 21:22.34 | expert975 | Let me see if I can get the exact error |
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| 21:23.21 | expert975 | Here: "i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: NAK bailout." |
| 21:23.36 | expert975 | Seems to come from the kernel |
| 21:23.42 | greycat | I'd make sure intel-microcode and firmware-misc-nonfree are installed (the latter only if there are firmware error messages from the kernel) |
| 21:23.59 | expert975 | Are those package names? |
| 21:24.00 | phillw | hi, is the latest debian server edition now fully conversant with SEL, or is it still on the TODO list? |
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| 21:25.39 | somiaj | phillw: SEL? Also debian doesn't produce a seperate server edition, its may releases can be used for servers, but could also be used for desktops. |
| 21:26.24 | annadane | expert975, yes |
| 21:26.24 | phillw | somiaj: Security Enhanced Linux. |
| 21:26.46 | annadane | they're in non-free, so add contrib and non-free to your sources.list |
| 21:27.43 | somiaj | phillw: I'm not sure on the details, but debian stretch, the current release, provides packages for SEL that you can install. And I trust debian enough to think if the packages are avaible then it will work (some configuration maybe needed) |
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| 21:28.13 | somiaj | phillw: selinux-utils is a package to start looking at |
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| 21:30.22 | phillw | somiaj: thanks, I use CentOS with SEL, but have been asked to provide a debian based equivalent. Setting up the VM and testing looks lime being fun! |
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| 21:31.02 | expert975 | "apt search intel-microcode" returns "iucode-tool" and "microcode.ctl". "apt search firmware-misc-nonfree" returns nothing |
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| 21:31.12 | expert975 | I've added nonfree to source.list |
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| 21:31.32 | expert975 | *sources.list |
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| 21:33.20 | LtL | expert975: it must be written as non-free, then apt update |
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| 21:33.40 | expert975 | LtL: Thanks |
| 21:33.51 | annadane | non-free *and* contrib |
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| 21:34.30 | somiaj | expert975: run apt update after adding non-free |
| 21:34.47 | expert975 | I see the packages now, thanks |
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| 21:50.28 | amd_0x51 | hey friends. sorry to bother you all on this fine friday. I just checked in a tty (tty2) and there is a list of kernel modules as if in start up |
| 21:50.34 | amd_0x51 | stuck at wpa supplicant |
| 21:50.39 | amd_0x51 | never seen it before in another tty |
| 21:50.55 | amd_0x51 | what could that mean for my system ? |
| 21:50.56 | amd_0x51 | tia |
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| 22:25.25 | woenx | Hi |
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| 22:30.35 | woenx | anyone has experience with SMART and smartctl? |
| 22:31.02 | apollo13 | please ask a concrete question and not meta questions like that |
| 22:31.03 | woenx | in smartctl there is the -H option to get a short self-assessment of the overall health for a hard drive |
| 22:31.15 | woenx | and ends with a "passed" or "failed" |
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| 22:31.24 | woenx | how often/when is this information updated |
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| 22:32.35 | woenx | is it every time the command is run, or it depends on background processes that are only executed once in a while (or even just manually and the value is not updated until I run the tests again?) |
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| 22:36.08 | naptastic | How does one find out what patches Debian has applied to the upstream kernel? (I'm on v.10 right now... what is that, Smashy? I'm so lost.) |
| 22:36.33 | naptastic | The reason I ask is because my mostly-vanilla kernel won't boot, but Debian's will, so I want to know the difference. |
| 22:36.37 | woenx | According to the self-assesment, the overall health is PASSED, but if I run a short test (smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdx), I get "Completed: read failure" in one of the disks |
| 22:36.42 | woenx | it is quite confusing |
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| 22:39.26 | `Kevin | woenx: it might be current test versus a historical log |
| 22:40.01 | woenx | I ran que overall health assessment after that short test (indicating "read failure") and it keep saying "passed" |
| 22:40.28 | woenx | I'm gonna try the long test in all my drives, but that's gonna take a few hours |
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| 22:48.08 | naptastic | woenx, extended tests are really the only way to be sure, other than "pending," "reallocated," and "offline-uncorrectable" sectors. |
| 22:48.23 | naptastic | If ANY of those values are non-zero, get your data off the drive and replace it immediately. |
| 22:49.06 | woenx | For instance, when I check the status of any drive (with the smartctl -A /dev/sdX), I always gets a few Old_age and Pre-fail |
| 22:49.10 | woenx | even in new disks |
| 22:49.32 | woenx | smart is confusing :-S |
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| 22:50.46 | woenx | oh, those are the type of "problem" that would happen if the threshold was met |
| 22:50.55 | naptastic | Bingo |
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| 22:51.39 | woenx | I want to find out a system to notify me when a disk starts to fail |
| 22:53.18 | syslq | woenx, you can use smartmontools for that |
| 22:53.31 | woenx | yes, I'm trying to figure out how |
| 22:53.34 | syslq | and send yourself a mail once problematic values are detected |
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| 22:53.43 | woenx | I think it's overly complicated for something that could be more simple... |
| 22:54.25 | syslq | it's not complicated, you just need to write s simple shell script that gets executed periodically (or constantly monitoring as a daemon) |
| 22:54.52 | naptastic | mmmm |
| 22:55.03 | Megaf | hm, I wish I could preview Plymouth and GRUB themes |
| 22:55.12 | Megaf | setting them and reboot is really time consuming |
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| 22:55.23 | naptastic | I'm pretty sure there's some package that can be configured to do that already. |
| 22:55.33 | syslq | woenx, I actually did not use that built in daemon, but just ran test, parsed output and if it was not ok, mail to myself |
| 22:55.46 | woenx | that's actually what I'm trying to do |
| 22:56.10 | woenx | did you run the long tests like every week or so? |
| 22:56.11 | naptastic | also, Perl, 'cos you're parsing output. Or maybe sed, but really, Perl. |
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| 22:56.36 | woenx | I'd use bash with awk or sed ^^ |
| 22:57.04 | naptastic | lol... Perl is all of those and more ;) but I'm a bit of a fanboy, and--full disclosure--I write Perl for a living |
| 22:57.27 | woenx | I haven't touched perl since 2005, and I remember it was all hyeroglifics |
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| 22:58.14 | naptastic | It's come a long way (though if you get into the crazy MOP garbage and "postfix dereferencing", it's worse than ever.) |
| 22:58.55 | syslq | woenx, nah, I've run short test every few hours or so, also I've just used grep I think |
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| 22:59.03 | woenx | aha |
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| 22:59.22 | syslq | Literally oneliner... if OK do nothing else mail -> |
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| 22:59.44 | syslq | You don't need perl for that |
| 23:00.03 | naptastic | awwww |
| 23:00.10 | naptastic | enjoys his swiss-army chainsaw |
| 23:00.18 | woenx | and what did you do if you got an error? |
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| 23:00.29 | woenx | I get "completed: read failure" on the short test in one of the disks |
| 23:01.06 | woenx | ohhh, the lower the test number, the more recent! (damn, that's counterintuitive) |
| 23:01.07 | syslq | Replaced the drive, it has only happened 2x over the years |
| 23:01.27 | woenx | so I got that error when the drive was 3711 hours old, and I got it now when it's 5974 hours old |
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| 23:02.02 | woenx | wait, it can't be |
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| 23:02.19 | woenx | those disks are much older |
| 23:02.19 | syslq | I'm not overly familiar with this topic though, I've used smartmon just for my personal stuf, at work we had hw arrayed storages |
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| 23:03.31 | woenx | well, it's also for my home, and everything is backed up, so nothing critical |
| 23:03.52 | Megaf | naptastic: I dont think there is, not in Debian at least |
| 23:04.06 | syslq | Exactly, if your backup is in order and it's just your laptop/wks, who cares really. When it dies you replace it :) |
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| 23:05.01 | woenx | I guess it's just peace of mind |
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| 23:05.48 | woenx | anyway, I think i'll just run the long test and check the results a few hours later and send an email with a summary |
| 23:06.03 | naptastic | I could go for more "peace of mind" tools in Debian. Like having sysstat turned on by default. |
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| 23:07.12 | PlainDave | No matter what I do, I can't get my computer to install Debian. I've tried just about everything, including setting my bios to boot the usb drive first. I can install any flavor of Ubuntu with no problem, however. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 23:07.34 | woenx | yay, new toys! I didn't know about systat |
| 23:07.41 | annadane | PlainDave, how did you prepare the image and where does it fail? |
| 23:08.46 | PlainDave | Okay. I "burnt" the .iso to the thumbdrive using Rufus for Win10. My bios doesn't even recognize the thumbdrive. |
| 23:08.52 | PlainDave | that's where it fails. |
| 23:09.12 | syslq | PlainDave, you used rufus for ubuntu too? |
| 23:09.14 | PlainDave | annadane, Oh sorry. I should've addressed to you. |
| 23:09.21 | annadane | PlainDave, try it with win32diskimager |
| 23:09.24 | annadane | !win32diskimager |
| 23:09.25 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 23:09.55 | PlainDave | No, I used an ubuntu program called Startup Disk Creator. |
| 23:10.17 | woenx | PlainDave, you could use "dd" instead |
| 23:10.50 | woenx | I'm not sure if the Startup Disk Creator only works for creating ubuntu-related boot drives |
| 23:10.51 | PlainDave | woenx, I'm not afraid to use terminal commands, but "dd" sort of scares me. |
| 23:10.58 | syslq | PlainDave, hm, you probably choosen wrong partition scheme and target system type in rufus. Or perhaps image is corrupted. Rufus is good sw, I use it often |
| 23:11.06 | annadane | do *not* use rufus. |
| 23:11.21 | syslq | annadane, any reasoning behind it? |
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| 23:11.24 | annadane | !rufus |
| 23:11.24 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 23:11.25 | woenx | PlainDave, just be sure that the destination partition is your usb stick and not some of your partitions and you'll be fine |
| 23:11.37 | woenx | (you can use lsblk for that) |
| 23:11.41 | syslq | annadane, ok |
| 23:11.48 | woenx | or sudo fdisk -l |
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| 23:12.18 | PlainDave | okay. I'll try those suggestions. I'll be back. :) |
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| 23:14.04 | annadane | protip: the "not recommended tools" like rufus and unetbootin may result in successful installations for some people |
| 23:14.08 | annadane | but it's not consistent |
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| 23:14.51 | syslq | Never gave me any issues that I remember |
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| 23:15.22 | woenx | I once tried unetbootin and I wasn't lucky |
| 23:15.38 | woenx | but that was a long time ago |
| 23:15.38 | syslq | I like dd, it's simple |
| 23:15.42 | woenx | yep, me too |
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| 23:23.08 | annadane | this isn't really a channel for pentesting |
| 23:23.09 | Guest23129 | allo |
| 23:23.41 | Guest23129 | oke |
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| 23:44.14 | mango | hello gents |
| 23:44.32 | mango | I would like to install debian on my laptop |
| 23:45.12 | mango | I am running lenovo thinkpad 0217 -3BG |
| 23:45.55 | mango | It is a old machine...but don't know if version 9.2 will be ok with it? can anyone tell me please |
| 23:46.46 | annadane | mango, as long as your laptop has these specs you should be ok https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en |
| 23:47.06 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en is a bit more detailed actually |
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| 23:53.39 | mango | annadane, thank you....that was helpfull....one more question please? |
| 23:54.03 | annadane | as many as you like :P |
| 23:55.59 | mango | would an amd64 debian version works with an Intel core i3 cpu u388...laptop, or do I need another version.,.,.(sorry, it does not mention in the spec) |
| 23:56.00 | mango | ? |
| 23:56.39 | annadane | afaik that should be fine but i'll let someone else answer that |
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