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| 00:02.59 | annadane | intel is generally amd64 |
| 00:03.08 | mango | annadane: thanks for the help....always great to be here ....you shall see me a lot after I have all running. |
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| 00:11.58 | Kate6 | Yeah I'm running Debian 9.2.1 on an Acer 5253-BZ602 laptop, AMD E-350 (dual core 64bit) CPU based... Runs wonderfully. |
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| 00:12.49 | sn00p | Hello, I installed debian on my computer and I rebooted after install and it runs through everything and when it comes to fsck it freezes can anybody tell me what might be wrong? |
| 00:13.04 | Kate6 | Your hard drive might be dying. |
| 00:13.11 | sn00p | no |
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| 00:13.13 | sn00p | its ssd |
| 00:13.21 | Kate6 | SSDs die. |
| 00:13.24 | Kate6 | Check the SMART registers? |
| 00:13.24 | naptastic | so, I want to apply the Debian patches to my kernel, but the tag I want isn't in the repo linked from the Debian wiki page. I'm guessing it's on someone else's remote. How do I find / add that? |
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| 00:14.45 | annadane | for that matter most computers in general are amd64 |
| 00:14.59 | annadane | but if you don't know how to find out then that piece of information isn't helpful |
| 00:15.02 | sn00p | Kate6, my ssd works in windows |
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| 00:15.07 | sn00p | its working right now |
| 00:15.23 | annadane | sn00p, how did you put the image on your installation medium |
| 00:15.32 | sn00p | dvd |
| 00:15.41 | annadane | ok, but how did you copy the iso to dvd |
| 00:15.56 | sn00p | I used a wrting tool |
| 00:16.02 | annadane | which writing tool |
| 00:16.09 | sn00p | i cant remember the name |
| 00:16.50 | sn00p | I used the usb boot |
| 00:18.00 | annadane | do you think the program you used might have been called rufus or unetbootin? |
| 00:18.18 | sn00p | win32 |
| 00:18.23 | annadane | okay |
| 00:18.27 | sn00p | it was called |
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| 00:21.50 | naptastic | argh, these patches don't apply cleanly to vanilla 4.13 |
| 00:21.51 | ixio2 | hey guys can someone help me out with a kernel question... I am reading AWS server import service and it says that Debian 6.0.0 â 6.0.8, 7.0.0 â 7.2.0 are supported. Now when I do a uname -r on this box it says 4.9.0 ... so how can I best get onto a supported kernel version ? |
| 00:22.31 | ixio2 | please :) |
| 00:23.09 | naptastic | ixio2, AWS forces systems onto their own kernel. GRUB isn't involved, nor any part of your system configuration. But if something goes wrong with the kernel, complain to AWS--it's their kernel now, after all :) |
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| 00:23.49 | ixio2 | I need to import this virtual box machine into AWS, so I am trying to use the AWS server import service, but I have to get my kernel onto a supported version |
| 00:24.11 | ixio2 | im basically moving a debian box from on-prem to AWS |
| 00:24.20 | naptastic | hmm... that shouldn't be necessary, since the kernel guarantees never to break userspace. |
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| 00:24.42 | ixio2 | their import service throws this error: "StatusMessage": "ClientError: Unsupported kernel version 4.9.0-4-amd64", |
| 00:24.45 | Kate6 | Does it? When was the last time you did the Windoze equivalent of an fsck? |
| 00:24.53 | naptastic | (Full disclosure: my company has been fighting with AWS for literally months to get any meaningful support at all.) |
| 00:25.31 | naptastic | ixio2, why don't you use one of their Debian images, and then just rsync the OS over what they installed? |
| 00:26.03 | ixio2 | I suspect they would still detect the unsupported kernel |
| 00:26.04 | naptastic | or better yet, keep your on-prem on-prem, so when we all realize that the cloud isn't the answer, you're one step ahead of them |
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| 00:26.41 | naptastic | Maybe--maybe you could operate without a kernel. (IDK if Debian's kernel depends on *libc or anything like that.) |
| 00:26.50 | ixio2 | lets just pretend I want to upgrade my kernel from 4 to 6 on-prem.. how would I do that |
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| 00:27.08 | naptastic | 4 to 6? |
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| 00:27.32 | ixio2 | uname tells me 4.9.0-4-amd64 |
| 00:27.53 | naptastic | that's what it should tell you |
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| 00:28.21 | ixio2 | so, Im on stretch and I need to get to squeeze |
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| 00:29.19 | ixio2 | isnt there something about debian where uname -r doesnt actually report the kernel version though? and you have to use another command? |
| 00:29.58 | naptastic | Debian names their kernels funny--they don't represent the upstream name--and they apply a number of patches to the kernels they distribute. |
| 00:30.11 | naptastic | 4.9.0-4 is the current kernel version for Debian Jessie. |
| 00:30.36 | ixio2 | right ok, my sources is full of "stretch" |
| 00:31.19 | naptastic | errr |
| 00:31.23 | naptastic | that's what I meant |
| 00:31.31 | naptastic | Jessie is oldstable and is on 3.16-series kernel |
| 00:31.36 | annadane | jessie is 3.16 :P |
| 00:31.39 | naptastic | sorry, it's been a long time |
| 00:31.40 | annadane | ^ |
| 00:31.45 | naptastic | s/time/day/ |
| 00:31.51 | naptastic | ...a really long day... |
| 00:31.55 | annadane | sounds like naptastic needs a nap |
| 00:32.04 | naptastic | a fantastic nap |
| 00:32.24 | naptastic | which reminds me, time to take a Benadryl so I can actually sleep tonight |
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| 00:34.30 | naptastic | anyone happen to know if the 4.13.13 patches in the debian-kernel git are supposed to be applied to 4.13.13 or 4.13? |
| 00:34.47 | naptastic | (read carefully; the numbers are confusing) |
| 00:37.21 | somiaj | If the patches are for 4.13.13 than I assume you need the actual 4.13.13 kernel. Note I don't think there is actually a 4.13 kernel, the actual version number might be 4.13.0 or something, because they do allow stable releaes to have sub-versions |
| 00:38.22 | annadane | 4.13.13 is the stable kernel |
| 00:38.24 | naptastic | yeah, the numbering is a little weird. Starting from 4.13.13 (downloaded from kernel.org) the patches don't apply cleanly, which is annoying. |
| 00:38.36 | annadane | (not stable as in debian stretch) |
| 00:38.44 | naptastic | right |
| 00:38.48 | naptastic | what's the name of the one after stretch? |
| 00:38.52 | annadane | buste |
| 00:38.53 | annadane | buster |
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| 00:39.06 | naptastic | buster... how am I going to make myself remember that... |
| 00:39.12 | somiaj | it could be the patches are for a previous 4.13.x version, the revesions usually only include bug fixes, it and might be some of the patches in the debain patchest were bugfixes that are now in the mainline stable kernel. |
| 00:39.27 | naptastic | oooohhhh that's a good point |
| 00:39.32 | somiaj | any reason you are applying the patches as opposed to just getting a debian kernel or debian kernel source directly? |
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| 00:39.44 | ixio2 | so what are the code names for Debian 6.0.0 â 6.0.8, 7.0.0 â 7.2.0 |
| 00:39.53 | ixio2 | bullseye = 6 ? |
| 00:39.56 | ixio2 | or |
| 00:40.14 | annadane | 10 |
| 00:40.17 | ixio2 | debian has its version, which has a code name, which uses a kernel version |
| 00:40.18 | ixio2 | :s |
| 00:40.19 | naptastic | I thought 6 was Lenny, 7 was Wheezy, 8 was Jessie |
| 00:40.25 | annadane | 6 is squeeze |
| 00:40.33 | ixio2 | those are kernel versions I think, rather than debian versions |
| 00:40.35 | naptastic | squeeze, that's right |
| 00:40.40 | somiaj | 9 = stretch, 8 = jessie, 7 = wheezy, 6 squeeze, 5 lenny, and about that time the versions changed. |
| 00:40.51 | ixio2 | oh wait shit, its debian version |
| 00:40.53 | ixio2 | argh |
| 00:40.58 | annadane | oh, sorry |
| 00:41.01 | annadane | bullseye is 11, buster is 10 |
| 00:41.02 | ixio2 | so wtf was 7 then |
| 00:41.05 | annadane | 7 is wheezy |
| 00:41.06 | ixio2 | wheezy |
| 00:41.09 | ixio2 | fml |
| 00:41.26 | ixio2 | im just gonna start again |
| 00:41.28 | ixio2 | thanks |
| 00:41.45 | somiaj | and somewhere the version number change, so thus we don't have things like 6.0.2 anymore, as each release is given a new major number. |
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| 00:42.26 | ixio2 | I need to get from stretch to wheezy is that even possible ? |
| 00:42.45 | annadane | yes but you need to go through jessie first |
| 00:42.52 | ixio2 | I hope jessie is hot |
| 00:43.04 | somiaj | ixio2: no, you cannot downgrade |
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| 00:43.11 | ixio2 | dang |
| 00:43.12 | ixio2 | ok |
| 00:43.12 | annadane | oh. "stretch to wheezy" |
| 00:43.13 | ixio2 | ill start again |
| 00:43.16 | naptastic | withholds a crude comment |
| 00:43.17 | annadane | yeah, what somiaj said |
| 00:43.30 | annadane | i, meanwhile, am going to take reading classes |
| 00:43.35 | ixio2 | hehe |
| 00:43.37 | somiaj | debian packages are designed to only be upgraded, and they are designed to be upgraded one release at a time. |
| 00:43.48 | somiaj | so you don't want to skip releases, but if you want an older release, reinstall. |
| 00:44.23 | annadane | this being said if the service requires ancient versions of debian maybe it isn't a very good service |
| 00:44.45 | ixio2 | its AWS.. so shrug |
| 00:44.58 | annadane | it's also possible they don't require it and the documentation was never updated... i have no idea |
| 00:45.14 | somiaj | what? you should be able to run any current of version on AWS, there are even some what offical (in that debian people make them) debian images for aws already. |
| 00:45.17 | ixio2 | AWS SMS threw me a kernel version error when I tried stretch |
| 00:45.42 | ixio2 | "StatusMessage": "ClientError: Unsupported kernel version 4.9.0-4-amd64" |
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| 00:46.07 | somiaj | you are still being quite vague on your actual issue and why this has anything to do with debian versions now. |
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| 00:46.39 | somiaj | So is this an actualy vps on AWS cloud, or you talking about some software designed to talk to the aws api or some part of it like their stroage? |
| 00:47.23 | naptastic | AMI's stupid system sends an SMS message if it thinks something is wrong. That, if I'm understanding correctly, is the source of the error message. |
| 00:47.25 | ixio2 | im trying to move a debian box from my home PC to AWS so I can run it 24/7 with public IP etc, that box was running stretch, when I used the AWS server migration service it told me the kernel was not supported, the documentation that I read subsequently suggested that only debian 6 and 7 kernels are supported |
| 00:47.34 | godane | hey everyone |
| 00:47.47 | godane | i'm making a debian live image using aufs |
| 00:48.01 | godane | for some reason aufs goes into read-only mode |
| 00:48.14 | godane | but overlayfs works just fine |
| 00:49.28 | somiaj | ixio2: I haven't used AWS in a while, but my suggestion is get ahold of one of the 'offical' debian stretch images on AWS, and then just configure it/copy over what you need (vs converting your current stretch install to aws) -- that maybe the easier approach. |
| 00:49.49 | annadane | !xy problem |
| 00:49.50 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 00:50.54 | annadane | what they probably mean is "tested on debian 6 so we recommend you use debian 6" |
| 00:51.14 | somiaj | godane: live images by default are put on read-only filesystem, so that may have something to do with it. |
| 00:51.22 | ixio2 | no it categorically will not work, its not just a warning |
| 00:51.49 | ixio2 | its cool, thanks, I am gonna try pushing it up on wheezy and then do an in place upgrade after snapshot |
| 00:52.02 | somiaj | why? Why not just get a premade stretch image, they exist. |
| 00:52.40 | ixio2 | I wanted to use the netinstaller, im trying to get the whole OS/system into a very small footprint |
| 00:52.57 | ixio2 | 23MB RAM |
| 00:52.59 | somiaj | the premade images are fairly small to start out with |
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| 00:58.00 | woenx | Still messing with smartctl. It is possible to know at that date/time a test was run? |
| 00:58.23 | woenx | using the smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdX only indicates the number and the lifetime |
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| 00:59.06 | infornography | ello |
| 00:59.25 | naptastic | yeah, you have to calculate based on the power-on hours. Depending on what information you have, it may not be possible. |
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| 01:01.50 | woenx | Ahm, I'd have liked if they also showed the hour and date of when the test was run |
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| 01:05.12 | naptastic | it sure would. |
| 01:06.43 | naptastic | woenx, smartctl tells you how many power-on hours the drive has, and the test results tells you the number of power-on hours when the test was run. If the drive has been running continuously, subtract the test hours from the power-on hours and you'll know how long ago it was. |
| 01:07.01 | woenx | Yes, that was my only guess |
| 01:07.02 | woenx | thanks |
| 01:07.05 | naptastic | np |
| 01:07.26 | naptastic | it would be great if they could determine the exact time; alas, the protocol makes it impossible. |
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| 01:08.04 | woenx | why? couldn't they just add a timestamp? |
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| 01:08.33 | naptastic | The ATA standard is ancient, and it didn't make sense to include timestamps at the time. |
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| 01:09.06 | naptastic | It's like how VGA -> DVI -> HDMI don't include resolution information. EDID is as close as we got, and it's kind of a piece of crap. |
| 01:09.31 | naptastic | It wasn't until DisplayPort that we started handling display data in a sensible way. |
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| 01:11.41 | woenx | oh so that data isn't saved in the filesystem? |
| 01:11.53 | woenx | but in the disk smart paramters |
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| 01:12.07 | naptastic | Of course--the disk has no idea what kind of filesystem is on it |
| 01:12.21 | naptastic | it doesn't know or care about the partition table. It just stores blocks. |
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| 01:13.00 | naptastic | anyway, I'm going to reboot into a kernel that's EOL but actually works, and then I'm going to get some real work done... Good luck. |
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| 01:16.26 | EE01 | Wps cracking other than pixiedust |
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| 01:36.37 | wr | i noticed a typo bug on this text https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/arm/ch01s03.html.pt_BR the word "facilmetne" is typed "facilmente" |
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| 01:39.37 | somiaj | I doubt a bug for the release notes in an outdated release would be of much interest to anyone? Does that still appear in the stretch release notes? |
| 01:40.03 | somiaj | the document should say what package to file a bug against for bugs found in the release notes. |
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| 01:42.15 | kingsley | What would you say, if, |
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| 01:42.40 | kingsley | hypothetically, |
| 01:42.48 | kingsley | a |
| 01:42.49 | kingsley | tall |
| 01:42.51 | kingsley | dark |
| 01:42.57 | kingsley | handsome |
| 01:43.03 | kingsley | Debian user |
| 01:43.28 | kingsley | said a program named "melt" was crashing with |
| 01:43.45 | kingsley | /usr/bin/melt(+0x2d26) |
| 01:44.01 | kingsley | and he was wondering if |
| 01:44.06 | kingsley | the Debian project |
| 01:44.13 | kingsley | in its infinite wisdom |
| 01:44.32 | kingsley | already provides compiler and/or link listings |
| 01:44.40 | kingsley | *with hex offsets* |
| 01:45.11 | kingsley | so he could look up which line of melt's source code corresponds to 0x2d26 |
| 01:45.40 | kingsley | online? |
| 01:45.45 | n4dir | !enter |
| 01:45.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 01:54.16 | godane | so i figured it out |
| 01:54.35 | godane | it maybe mount.aufs causes a problem with systemd remount-fs service |
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| 02:44.17 | archiebald | hey guys, what could cause a debian 9 on dual boot on a mac to have a much slower internet speed than another mac macosx sierra and an iphone on the same home network? tested all three devices speed on speedtest.net, I get way over 80Mbitps on the mac and on the iphone, and only 7~8Mbitps on the debian? |
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| 02:45.33 | archiebald | the debian is on a macbook pro 2011, installed the broadcom driver, the other devices are much more recent. Any ideas? could it be that it's an older device? wrong broadcom driver? wrong configuration? |
| 02:45.48 | archiebald | any idea in which direction I could look? thanks a lot |
| 02:46.25 | t0no6a | archiebal : perhaps something relative to the driver of your wifi card |
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| 02:48.16 | t0no6a | archiebald . open source driver vs proprietary driver .... bad comparison |
| 02:48.17 | mutante | archiebald: what is name of the currently installed driver/module |
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| 02:48.43 | mutante | archiebald: compare to https://askubuntu.com/questions/741722/very-slow-wifi-on-ubuntu-15-10-and-macbook-pro |
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| 02:52.44 | archiebald | mutante: from the debian wiki page it mentions that a apt-get install firmware-b43-install will download the driver package which then choose the right driver to install, I did a lspci to check the chip and it says BCM4322 rev1. I am not sure which module got installed, how can I check that? |
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| 02:54.39 | mutante | archiebald: lsmod |
| 02:55.33 | mutante | archiebald: well, b43-install already sounds like the new one .. |
| 02:56.03 | mutante | archiebald: lsmod | grep b43 |
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| 02:57.54 | archiebald | mutante: lsmod | grep b43 returns a few lines : b43, bcma, mac80211, cfg80211, rng_core, ssb, mmc_core |
| 02:58.57 | mutante | archiebald: yea, uhm.. so. it seems you are not the only one, i dont have much better, but start reading from https://www.google.com/search?q=BCM4322+slow+wifi |
| 02:59.07 | archiebald | is it possible that I just won't ever have an internet connection as fast as it is on my other devices, is it possible that it's just a limitation of using older 2010 material? |
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| 02:59.49 | PlainDave | I just installed Debian w/Xfce. I get to the login screen, but I wasn't asked/prompted for a user name and password during installation. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 02:59.52 | archiebald | mutante: thanks for the help and the direction, I'll read more and see what's what |
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| 03:01.10 | n4dir | PlainDave: if you did enter a root password, you might switch to a tty, login as root and adduser |
| 03:01.27 | n4dir | to add a user. But something is wrong. You sure get asked for a username during installation |
| 03:01.36 | t0no6a | archiebald : broadcom drivers always get problems |
| 03:01.52 | n4dir | PlainDave: which media did you use for installation? |
| 03:02.29 | PlainDave | n4dir, I used a thumbdrive. No, I wasn't prompted for a user name or password. |
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| 03:02.41 | n4dir | I meant which iso? |
| 03:03.16 | n4dir | to put it more clear: did you use the live CD ? |
| 03:03.35 | n4dir | clear |
| 03:03.51 | n4dir | (sorry, wrong terminal ... ) |
| 03:04.08 | archiebald | t0no6a: I see ... |
| 03:04.11 | archiebald | thanks |
| 03:04.21 | PlainDave | yeah, from my thumbdrive. I "burnt" the .iso "debian-9.2.1-amd64-xfce-CD-1" to a bootable USB drive. |
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| 03:04.57 | n4dir | Then it is very odd you didn't get asked for username/passwd. Can't tell why |
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| 03:05.20 | n4dir | Try ctlr+alt+F2 , to get a tty |
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| 03:06.01 | archiebald | the thing is, the other devices are all using broadcom, but they don't have any issues, is the problem only because it's on a linux? |
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| 03:09.00 | binary106 | hi guys, just noticed /sbin/agetty has used 4500 hours of my cpu.. any ideas why/how to disable it? |
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| 03:11.57 | Voldenet | binary106: I guess you could change your inittab |
| 03:13.03 | binary106 | how do i do that? |
| 03:13.57 | Voldenet | hm, some time ago you basically had to edit /etc/inittab |
| 03:14.21 | Voldenet | but I'm not sure if systemd isn't spawning them now |
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| 03:15.21 | binary106 | so this is a server with lots of docker containers running. i'm wondering if it's even from the host, or a container |
| 03:15.28 | binary106 | all i have is the PID usng 100% cpu |
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| 03:18.52 | archiebald | hey guys, one more question about this wifi driver thing: my network is not slow, well for some it might seems like but objectively, 8Mbps is not slow, it's only that it doesn't get to the 80-90Mbps I am used to ... should I just give up and accept that, on my Debian, wifi network speeds will be limited ? |
| 03:20.28 | Voldenet | binary106: maybe run "docker stats" first to see the cpu usage of containers |
| 03:21.09 | binary106 | thanks - nothing seems to use more than 1% |
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| 03:22.06 | t0no6a | archiebald : it works? if yes then yes, accept that. If not works,well, the answer is in the air ... accept that to :-) |
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| 03:25.57 | Voldenet | binary106: actually, there's a thread like that https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/4040 - some people just suggest fully disabling agetty |
| 03:27.05 | Voldenet | (replacing agetty with /bin/true is truly creative though) |
| 03:28.06 | binary106 | so should i stop all my privilaged containers to see if it's those? |
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| 03:31.09 | archiebald | t0no6a: muhuahahaha ... thanks :'-( it does work, not great but it does. But I guess that's the kind of things that keep linuses (as in opensource system, not mogul managed) away from a more mainstream base of people... other systems seem more "hassle free" but you gotta pay the price, anyway thanks for your time, appreciated |
| 03:32.48 | n4dir | if i understood it is a broadcom chipset? and i seem to recall many here claim they don't work well |
| 03:33.05 | n4dir | mine doesn't work at all (anymore), but i didn't try that hard |
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| 03:42.56 | Voldenet | binary106: i've got no idea if that'd help, just throwing in some random insights, because I don't have that problem :> |
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| 04:02.47 | sn00p | I'm trying to use unetbootin to create a bootable usb drive to install debian from onmy computer I created one and the usb drive is not booting any help? |
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| 04:03.17 | annadane | i thought we went over this earlier |
| 04:03.22 | annadane | don't use unetbootin, use win32diskimager |
| 04:03.32 | t0no6a | snOOp : unetbootin isnot working anymore |
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| 04:04.10 | t0no6a | write isoimage of debian from windows |
| 04:05.07 | t0no6a | sn==p : try this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/312488/how-to-create-bootable-windows-10-image-in-debian#312540 |
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| 04:05.48 | t0no6a | sn00p : ups, sorry wrong link |
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| 04:07.36 | t0no6a | sn00p : https://youtu.be/UI7fglNpFCA |
| 04:07.52 | sn00p | i'm downloading win32disk |
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| 04:15.26 | phenom | Xfce or Gnome 3? |
| 04:16.48 | annadane | phenom, as in "which one is better"? subjective obviously, but xfce is awesome in my experience |
| 04:16.50 | phenom | I haven't really used Gnome 3. I'm curious if it's worth tainting my Stable install by installing multiple DEs as I installed Xfce at boot. |
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| 04:17.09 | bryanfrommacau | Hi |
| 04:17.11 | phenom | annadane, I've used Xfce consistently since Gnome 2 |
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| 04:17.18 | annadane | hmm... well, some people have said that DEs can conflict, but i don't know under which circumstances or which ones |
| 04:17.49 | phenom | But I recently tried KDE Plasma and admit that it is flippin beautiful. I'm curious about the development of Gnome 3. |
| 04:18.07 | annadane | i personally wouldn't touch gnome with a 10 foot pole but that's just me |
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| 04:18.33 | bryanfrommacau | What are the recommended minimum system requirements for Debian with Mate? |
| 04:19.25 | annadane | bryanfrommacau, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
| 04:19.27 | phenom | I am one of those people that have said DEs conflict. :( I'm hoping someone says: "No it's OK to install and try gnome 3, it's easier to uninstall it than it was x years ago if you don't like it." |
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| 04:20.19 | phenom | blah, I may just boot a live version and tinker around with it. |
| 04:20.22 | annadane | i guess probably it's those with high numbers of gtk elements and qt elements |
| 04:20.26 | bryanfrommacau | Thanks :) |
| 04:20.31 | annadane | so gnome + plasma |
| 04:20.45 | annadane | s/elements/dependencies/satan spawn |
| 04:20.54 | bryanfrommacau | But aren't there different requirements for different desktop environments? |
| 04:21.12 | annadane | bryanfrommacau, if there are the difference is negligible i believe |
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| 04:21.47 | annadane | in any event none of the documentation makes mention of specific DEs |
| 04:21.59 | annadane | of course, a window manager inherently uses less resources |
| 04:22.49 | phenom | I think I'd be playing with fire by mixing them. I don't know why I want to ruin my newly configured system. :( |
| 04:23.11 | annadane | i mean if you just want to see what it's like, use a virtual machine |
| 04:23.56 | annadane | but yes with all the dependencies i'm beyond installing gnome just to check it out - it pulls in so many packages |
| 04:25.11 | phenom | I'm with you. |
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| 05:36.16 | bvl | Hi |
| 05:36.25 | klys | hi |
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| 06:18.59 | TimEnchanter | Hello |
| 06:19.12 | rant | allo mayte |
| 06:19.31 | TimEnchanter | I am trying to find out how to do debian install with wifi drivers (netinst) |
| 06:19.32 | klys | hi |
| 06:19.37 | raynold | Lol annadane |
| 06:20.00 | TimEnchanter | There is any unofficial or whatever image what has wifi drivers in it? |
| 06:20.13 | TimEnchanter | Right now I'm booted from an old linux mint cd 16 |
| 06:20.16 | klys | timenchanter, you probasbly just need the firmware |
| 06:20.18 | TimEnchanter | no other os. |
| 06:20.32 | rant | TimEnchanter: just put the firmware deb on a thumbdrive and load it from the installer |
| 06:20.39 | TimEnchanter | so, then what should I do |
| 06:20.42 | TimEnchanter | it's a laptop |
| 06:20.54 | rant | or read the install guide, or use a different install method |
| 06:21.10 | TimEnchanter | i have to use the install method available to me |
| 06:21.16 | klys | timenchanter, $ dmesg | grep firmware |
| 06:21.24 | dotc | Seems like the netinst iso is the only choice if I want to install without gui, isn't it? |
| 06:21.49 | rant | no |
| 06:21.54 | TimEnchanter | [ 9.628846] rtl8192ce: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfwU_B.bin |
| 06:21.56 | dotc | I didn't see any software select screen when I use live iso. |
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| 06:22.46 | klys | timenchanter, $ dpkg -S /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfwU_B.bin |
| 06:22.47 | rant | neither did I, but I didnt run an expert mode install |
| 06:23.19 | TimEnchanter | ,v linux-firmware |
| 06:23.21 | judd | No package named 'linux-firmware' was found in amd64. |
| 06:23.33 | TimEnchanter | judd doesn't show non-free> |
| 06:23.38 | rant | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:23.40 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 06:24.13 | rant | it doesn't show packages that don't exist |
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| 06:25.15 | klys | timenchanter, get your deb here, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree |
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| 06:26.03 | archiebald | TimEnchanter: not ethernet cable? |
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| 06:26.18 | klys | timenchanter, get your deb here, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree |
| 06:26.30 | TimEnchanter | Sure, but does it depend on anything else |
| 06:26.31 | archiebald | Hello room |
| 06:26.33 | TimEnchanter | sorry im not in debian |
| 06:26.37 | TimEnchanter | hello archiebald |
| 06:26.44 | klys | timenchanter, shouldn't |
| 06:26.55 | TimEnchanter | also, how can I install debian netinst with this package? at which point do I install it |
| 06:27.26 | TimEnchanter | I am on linux mint live, no os on hdd, want to get debian netinst and wifi drivers and install debian over the network |
| 06:27.27 | klys | it'll ask you for the deb during the install process. |
| 06:27.34 | TimEnchanter | ok |
| 06:27.53 | klys | make sure you know how to use mount |
| 06:27.53 | archiebald | I have a quick one, on debian stretch cinnamon, which config file manages the app/window switcher? I wish to change what icons are used, I get those mini icons that are magnified to the most ugly effect |
| 06:28.04 | TimEnchanter | now, after i make the usb, how can i put this package on it? |
| 06:28.05 | TimEnchanter | is the usb still okay to write on? |
| 06:28.12 | klys | yeah |
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| 06:30.10 | TimEnchanter | ok |
| 06:30.12 | TimEnchanter | ty |
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| 06:38.57 | archiebald | I have a quick one, on debian stretch cinnamon, which config file manages the app/window switcher? I wish to change what icons are used, I get those mini icons that are magnified to the most ugly effect |
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| 07:56.04 | UbuntuBuilding | hello everyone, can anyone solve my debootsrap build error? what is cause i cannot find out |
| 07:56.49 | klys | ubuntubuilding, best stay out of #debian if you aren't using debian |
| 07:57.28 | UbuntuBuilding | is not ubuntu same core as debian as i try to solve debootstrap error |
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| 07:58.58 | annadane | klys, debootstrap is part of debian |
| 07:59.12 | annadane | oh, i didn't even notice their name |
| 07:59.31 | annadane | anyway, UbuntuBuilding, what's the error? |
| 07:59.34 | annadane | !paste |
| 07:59.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:00.09 | hoxu | I have recently started having frequent freezes in X (running stretch). They last for some tens of seconds usually. When I switch to console I see "NVRM: Xid". Using nvidia drivers. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 08:00.38 | hoxu | I'm thinking nvidia, but I'm running stretch nvidia drivers that used to work just fine |
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| 08:01.58 | UbuntuBuilding | annadane: thanks for asking, https://github.com/fossasia/meilix/issues/213 here is my issue and i cannot finish debootstrapping without error |
| 08:02.08 | UbuntuBuilding | annadane: https://pasteboard.co/GUbyfoU.png |
| 08:03.07 | UbuntuBuilding | annadane: it is like menace to me, am no debootstrap, bash expert and i just cannot get past that message |
| 08:03.13 | annadane | oh wait, *is* this ubuntu? then i agree with krys that you're probably better off asking the ubuntu people |
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| 08:04.12 | annadane | in any event i don't know anything about debootstrap so i'll let someone else see if they can answer it |
| 08:04.17 | UbuntuBuilding | annadane: ok i try again in there, last time i asked i did not find any debootstrap expert there. Thanks anyway. |
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| 09:12.03 | ivh | Hi! I use Stretch on a Thinkpad X230, reliably for years. With the new Firefox I have a problem that it periodically gets unresponsive. In the terminal that started FF I see things like "libGL error: failed to load driver: i915" but when I gogle those I only find years-old threads to bugs that seem fixed. Any hints on the best way to proceed? Kernel/driver upgrade? X-config? Telling FF to stop using GL ? |
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| 09:50.56 | Sveta | a bot here provides apt-file searches, how? i don't remember |
| 09:53.02 | patterson | dir /s |
| 09:53.13 | patterson | pardon mne |
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| 09:59.00 | Epakai | Sveta: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/#judd-file /msg judd |
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| 10:25.35 | cybrNaut | the /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade tool reduced my security by installing Chromium (w/google spyware) over top of my existing ungoogled-chromium browser |
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| 10:26.20 | cybrNaut | both the official (insecure) debian Chromium package and ungoogled-chromium share the same package name |
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| 10:26.36 | cybrNaut | so apparently I got burnt due to the name sharing |
| 10:26.42 | bazhang | cybrNaut, no need to chat about the socalled 'spyware' |
| 10:27.16 | bazhang | ,v chromium-browser |
| 10:27.17 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1 |
| 10:27.36 | bazhang | thats the name of chromium cybrNaut |
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| 10:28.34 | cybrNaut | bazhang: on stretch the name is simply "chromium" |
| 10:29.09 | cybrNaut | "ii chromium 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1 amd64 web browser" |
| 10:29.40 | cybrNaut | ,v chromium |
| 10:29.41 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; sid: 62.0.3202.89-1; experimental: 63.0.3239.30-1 |
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| 10:31.15 | cybrNaut | anyway, i don't suppose there would have been a practical way to avoid that. I would have had to know that the pkg name of the official version and ungoogled-chromium are the same, and then I would have had to pin the version |
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| 10:31.36 | cybrNaut | i didn't even know I had a "unattended-upgrade" mahoochy running |
| 10:31.44 | cybrNaut | guess that's standard now |
| 10:31.50 | bazhang | mahoochy? |
| 10:32.06 | cybrNaut | a thingy-ma-bob |
| 10:32.24 | cybrNaut | a whatcha-ma-callit |
| 10:32.49 | bazhang | cybrNaut, why not chatter in #debian-offtopic |
| 10:32.55 | binary106 | hi how can i make sed 's/^ExtendedStatus On$/bl\nahh/' f ignore any tabs/spaces before the "ExtendStatus" bit , also after the On |
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| 10:34.27 | cybrNaut | maybe something like this '/^[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus On$/s/ExtendedStatus On$/bl\nahh/' |
| 10:35.10 | cybrNaut | err, my [] are unbalanced.. but you get the idea |
| 10:36.42 | binary106 | thanks, let me try |
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| 10:37.53 | cybrNaut | i just noticed you mentioned whitespace after the "On" |
| 10:38.11 | binary106 | it's not as important |
| 10:38.16 | binary106 | but your other thing isnt working |
| 10:38.18 | cybrNaut | so '/^[[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/' |
| 10:38.51 | cybrNaut | ah, well i wasn't sure if sed knows the character set [[::blank::]].. may be a different notation |
| 10:39.08 | binary106 | '/^[[::blank::]]*ExtendedStatus On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/' |
| 10:39.11 | binary106 | oops |
| 10:39.18 | binary106 | sed: -e expression #1, char 64: unterminated address regex |
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| 10:41.19 | cybrNaut | binary106: https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/html_node/Character-Classes-and-Bracket-Expressions.html |
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| 10:41.53 | cybrNaut | so '/^[:blank:]*ExtendedStatus On/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/' |
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| 10:43.25 | binary106 | thanks, i'll have a read |
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| 10:44.10 | cybrNaut | actually two brackets, one colon.. => '/^[[:blank:]]*ExtendedStatus On[[:blank:]]*$/s/ExtendedStatus On.*/bl\nahh/' |
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| 11:29.19 | ^CeLL^ | i'm trying to install a tv tuner on a linux system, i'm getting this issue! https://hastebin.com/gilojenafa.pl |
| 11:29.23 | ^CeLL^ | can you help? |
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| 11:30.28 | JPT | Looks like you're missing firmware blobs. |
| 11:30.54 | JPT | Check the documentation of what you're installing to see whether/where you need to fetch them |
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| 11:36.46 | lmw | Hi. I'd like to move from CentOS to Debian. Anything important I need to know or to do before/while I install Debian? Like special drivers or so? |
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| 11:37.26 | gpunk | for desktop ? |
| 11:37.29 | lmw | Yes |
| 11:37.48 | gpunk | activate non-free , for video drivers if you want |
| 11:37.55 | gpunk | and contrib for more software |
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| 11:38.03 | gpunk | it s like EPL for centos/redhat |
| 11:38.10 | lmw | non-free inclused proprietary drivers I guess? |
| 11:38.15 | gpunk | yes |
| 11:38.18 | lmw | * includes |
| 11:38.30 | lmw | Oh, I would need them I guess, I have a Intel WiFi 3160 |
| 11:38.40 | RoyK | gpunk: welcome - to the real woorld :D |
| 11:38.42 | ^CeLL^ | JPT; can you point me? |
| 11:38.49 | RoyK | doesn't like CentOS too much |
| 11:38.59 | lmw | RoyK: :) |
| 11:39.18 | gpunk | welcome to the real Linux lmw :) |
| 11:39.33 | lmw | I don't want to start a distribution war, but in my opinion CentOS isn't made for desktops :) |
| 11:39.43 | lmw | gpunk: Thanks :P |
| 11:39.56 | gpunk | yes, i had one , but as a server |
| 11:39.58 | gpunk | it was ok |
| 11:40.04 | lmw | as server it's okay |
| 11:41.01 | lmw | Does the Debian installer only includes free drivers? |
| 11:41.12 | lmw | I think I would need a proprietary one for my WiFi |
| 11:41.29 | RoyK | I only use debian nowadays, that is, perhaps ubuntu on some laptop perhaps, but probably not anymore. I stopped using redhat around 1998 or thereabout. At work, there's a lot of redhat/centos, though |
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| 11:41.55 | gpunk | lmw free only in install, but then you can activate them |
| 11:42.04 | gpunk | after the install |
| 11:42.17 | lmw | RoyK: Nothing against Red Hat, they have good products, but for desktops it's a pain |
| 11:42.20 | RoyK | gpunk: even if you download the dvd? |
| 11:42.45 | gpunk | hmm i am not sure a 100% i havent installed for a little while |
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| 11:43.14 | RoyK | lmw: sure, I just like debian better ;) |
| 11:43.15 | lmw | Hm, I guess I would try it myself with the installer if my WiFi works during the setup |
| 11:43.28 | gpunk | :) |
| 11:43.58 | lmw | Do you use any desktop or window manager? if so, which one if I may ask? |
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| 11:44.26 | RoyK | lmw: you may need to use cabled network to get those extra packages to enable wifi - but go ahead |
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| 11:45.02 | lmw | RoyK: Yeah, will try it first. If it doesn't work, I will plug my Ethernet temporarily in :) |
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| 11:45.44 | L3gacy | So. I got a Dell PE T110 II, E3-1230v2, 8GB RAM, 1TB SAS drive server here. Was FREE. WHat uses can it have? |
| 11:46.11 | lmw | L3gacy: Whatever you heart wants? |
| 11:46.22 | L3gacy | It even has a PCI-E 16x slot :) |
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| 11:46.44 | L3gacy | I have a symmetrical 150 fiber connection to the residence, too |
| 11:47.00 | lmw | A good use case would be a virtualization host, if you add more RAM and a second HDD for RAID |
| 11:47.34 | L3gacy | I also got a 4 sled Synology 413j :) Free. I hate my $BOSS, but the perks are nice |
| 11:47.34 | Mathisen | L3gacy, freenas |
| 11:48.01 | L3gacy | It has an H200 PERC in the Dell, and I can crossflash that to an LSI 9211-8i? it says |
| 11:48.09 | RoyK | freenas is freebsd, though |
| 11:48.18 | lmw | Debian + Nextcloud? |
| 11:48.19 | lmw | :P |
| 11:48.35 | RoyK | zfs is nice if you can plan ahead |
| 11:48.48 | lmw | Doesn't ZFS needs alot of RAM? |
| 11:48.51 | RoyK | mdraid is better if you can't and want more flexibility |
| 11:48.55 | RoyK | not really |
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| 11:49.23 | RoyK | unlees you do something stupid as enabling dedup |
| 11:49.34 | lmw | iirc someone told me you need 1-2 GB of RAM for every hard drive with a capacity of 1 TB |
| 11:49.51 | lmw | Could be lie, idk |
| 11:49.54 | lmw | *a lie |
| 11:50.00 | RoyK | also, zfs needs a bit of memory for snapshots, typically 1GB per 10,000 snapshots |
| 11:50.05 | L3gacy | Generally, a GB per TB |
| 11:50.09 | RoyK | lmw: that's not right |
| 11:50.24 | RoyK | those numbers are based on requirements for dedup |
| 11:50.27 | RoyK | not normal use |
| 11:50.41 | RoyK | don't use dedup on zfs unless you *really* now what you're doing |
| 11:50.41 | ^CeLL^ | JPT that is not the problem! i've unpack then to lib/firmware and still get the error! |
| 11:50.43 | lmw | I think there's no "true" answer, I think it depends *how* you have setup your ZFS and what are you doing with it |
| 11:51.04 | RoyK | lmw: default setup doesn't require much |
| 11:51.11 | SuperSeriousCat | mdadm is nice of you want something that just works and nothing fancy |
| 11:51.22 | lmw | I never really worked with ZFS before, so I don't know :( |
| 11:51.37 | SuperSeriousCat | Install more or less any distro and the raid is already mounted as mdadm is pre installed in so many now |
| 11:51.40 | RoyK | the problem with zfs on linux is that it doesn't use the normal buffer/cache, it has its own, so you'll wnt a few gigs for that |
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| 11:52.34 | RoyK | apart from that it doesn't require much |
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| 11:54.51 | agatineau | hell #debian ! |
| 11:54.57 | agatineau | hello... |
| 11:55.48 | ^CeLL^ | the error still persists! i'm not able to solve it! after unpack the firmware to the directory /lib/firmware, still get the same error! https://hastebin.com/eyenugedub.hs |
| 11:56.18 | agatineau | i'm currently struggling a bit with a luks encrypted setup on my laptop. Is there someone here with experience with that (stretch) |
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| 12:01.27 | ^CeLL^ | anyone? |
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| 12:02.50 | gpunk | you are patching the kernel ? |
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| 12:06.39 | ^CeLL^ | yes! |
| 12:06.51 | ^CeLL^ | there's a patch on the installation folder! |
| 12:08.01 | gpunk | you might be using wrong patch/kernel combination |
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| 12:09.11 | gpunk | the is a channel "video4linux" they might help you more than here , besides you are using kali |
| 12:09.20 | gpunk | this is not kali channel ... |
| 12:09.32 | ^CeLL^ | they don't help me there! |
| 12:09.39 | ^CeLL^ | thank you! |
| 12:09.43 | gpunk | :) |
| 12:10.41 | ^CeLL^ | gpunk video4linux is in freenode? |
| 12:10.43 | L3gacy | So. Anyone have a hardening guid for Debian 9? |
| 12:10.59 | RoyK | ^CeLL^: btw, use sudo -i instead of sudo su ;) |
| 12:11.01 | gpunk | i donno let me check |
| 12:11.06 | L3gacy | *guide |
| 12:11.28 | RoyK | !handbook |
| 12:11.28 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 12:11.44 | ^CeLL^ | i will ;) |
| 12:12.31 | gpunk | #linuxtv and #v4linux |
| 12:12.39 | gpunk | #v4l * |
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| 12:18.39 | agatineau | encrypted install works well but hibernation doesn't. Anyone made it work ? |
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| 12:20.23 | gpunk | what kind of laptop you have ? |
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| 12:21.19 | Student7E1 | . |
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| 12:21.45 | bryanfrommacau | hi |
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| 12:21.51 | atomico | hi |
| 12:22.05 | agatineau | acer, no ssd. would there be hardware compatibility issue? |
| 12:22.24 | bryanfrommacau | I set up installed debian with LXDE, and everything seems fine, except I can't figure out how to connect to wifi |
| 12:22.29 | gpunk | maybe, we need the model number so i can look it up |
| 12:23.12 | agatineau | gpunk: i'll get back in a sec :) |
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| 12:24.29 | agatineau | aspire es1 523/524 serie , model n16c2 |
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| 12:25.37 | agatineau | no a good laptop but works enough :) |
| 12:26.19 | agatineau | and swap space is bigger than ram before you ask ;-) |
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| 12:28.18 | atomico | always? |
| 12:28.19 | gpunk | :) |
| 12:28.21 | atomico | :-) |
| 12:28.36 | atomico | i think swap its obsolete in most modern systems but should be the same |
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| 12:29.00 | agatineau | it is, unless you want hibernation |
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| 12:29.47 | agatineau | and it's a great way of detecting memory leaks :) |
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| 12:32.28 | gpunk | agatineau you installed the propriatary drivers ? |
| 12:33.33 | agatineau | non-free for wifi and gpu, that's all |
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| 12:35.01 | gpunk | hmm, describe: how does it not work ? please describe |
| 12:35.55 | agatineau | so, when i ask for hibernation from gui (cinnamon), it reboots. |
| 12:37.41 | gpunk | seems like a cinamon issue , can you please ask them a question in paralell ? |
| 12:37.58 | gpunk | are you using debian stable ? |
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| 12:39.10 | abrotman | That's easy to test, try another DM or WM |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | sorry, DE or WM |
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| 12:39.56 | agatineau | that was my next step indeed. trying with gnome and upgrade to testing. I'm using stable currently |
| 12:40.27 | agatineau | i'll try all that, thanks |
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| 12:41.13 | agatineau | and update status for historical value :) |
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| 12:45.00 | agatineau | btw, and because i'm a bit new to irc :/ what is the scope segregation between distribution and projects in the channels? because projects are independant but distributions maintain and integrate. |
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| 12:45.12 | agatineau | just curious and willing to go to the right place |
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| 12:47.42 | jim | hi, what to do about a broadcom wireless whose pciid is [14e4:4311]? judd says wl |
| 12:48.00 | jelly | !wl |
| 12:48.01 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see https://wiki.debian.org/wl . Most of these chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
| 12:48.07 | jim | he doesn't have a wl module |
| 12:48.15 | jelly | who's "he" |
| 12:48.29 | jim | guy on ##linux :) |
| 12:48.35 | bryanfrommacau | hi |
| 12:48.45 | jim | oh, here too :) |
| 12:48.48 | ksk | Hey. I have a question about what man fuse says: "autp_cache This option enables automatic flushing of the data cache on open(2). The cache will only be flushed if the modification time or the size of the file has changed" -- So does this mean not using this opetion will make linux always flush its cache and make a read on the underlying fuse-whatever? |
| 12:48.49 | jim | dere he is |
| 12:48.57 | jelly | then "he" can "ask" "here", jim, or you can tell them to read the wiki page |
| 12:49.18 | bryanfrommacau | I also asked here, I didn't get a response, so I went there :/ |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | nod |
| 12:49.30 | jim | jelly, it's bryanfrommacau |
| 12:50.00 | jelly | /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v000014E4d00004311sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ssb |
| 12:50.24 | jelly | apparently the "ssb" module binds that device. I have no idea whether it works |
| 12:51.00 | jelly | it... doesn't look at all related to wifi. |
| 12:51.04 | jim | bryanfrommacau, so we'll look over https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 12:51.32 | jim | yeah, I didn't think so either |
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| 12:51.48 | jim | anyway, we'll look over the wiki |
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| 12:53.39 | bryanfrommacau2 | Sorry I got disconnected for a minute |
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| 12:55.01 | jim | bryanfrommacau2, ok, we're looking at https://wiki.debian.org/wl which says, first, you need non-free in your sources.list |
| 12:55.31 | bryanfrommacau | ok, I'll look at it |
| 12:55.36 | jim | could you do: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 12:56.24 | bryanfrommacau | ok |
| 12:56.26 | jim | it looks like it wants us to build the wl package, and install it |
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| 12:57.21 | bryanfrommacau | http://termbin.com/l3jb |
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| 12:58.41 | bryanfrommacau | so I'll follow the steps of the website first |
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| 13:00.49 | jim | ok, as root, can you edit /etc/apt/sources.list: line 5 and 6, which now read: deb http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ stretch main (and line 6:) deb-src http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
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| 13:01.57 | jim | those lines should be changed, to read: deb http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free and deb-src http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
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| 13:04.17 | bryanfrommacau | ok |
| 13:04.20 | bryanfrommacau | done |
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| 13:05.56 | jim | ok, now run: apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 13:06.27 | bryanfrommacau | oh ok |
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| 13:06.40 | bryanfrommacau | I just ran the second line if instructions from the wiki, I hope that's ok |
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| 13:07.32 | jim | oh, the apt-get install linux-image (etc)? |
| 13:07.38 | bryanfrommacau | yeah |
| 13:07.44 | jim | ok |
| 13:07.55 | bryanfrommacau | still running |
| 13:08.05 | bryanfrommacau | bad? |
| 13:08.29 | jim | no, that should go for a bit |
| 13:08.58 | jim | but you didn't get errors from the apt-get update? |
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| 13:09.55 | bryanfrommacau | no |
| 13:10.02 | jim | ok, good |
| 13:11.16 | jim | that should probably install build-essential, including gcc, make, binutils, libc6-dev |
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| 13:12.20 | jim | once all that's done and you get your prompt back, it should have built the wl package |
| 13:13.24 | bryanfrommacau | ok, done |
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| 13:14.12 | jim | ok, remove possibly conflicting modules: modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma |
| 13:15.00 | bryanfrommacau | ok, done |
| 13:15.18 | jim | and try loading the wl module: modprobe wl |
| 13:15.20 | bryanfrommacau | :D |
| 13:15.39 | jim | once you're there, we'll test the card |
| 13:15.42 | bryanfrommacau | The light came on for the wifi indicator on the keyboard....that's a good sign :) |
| 13:15.53 | jim | I would say so :) |
| 13:16.13 | jim | if you run ifconfig -a, |
| 13:16.36 | jim | you'll see interface names on the left and paragraphs about them to the right... |
| 13:16.46 | jim | could you list all the interface names? |
| 13:17.20 | bryanfrommacau | ifconfig command not found :o |
| 13:17.36 | jim | try: ip link |
| 13:18.01 | bryanfrommacau | that gave some output |
| 13:18.09 | jim | I didn't know ifconfig was -that- deprecated |
| 13:18.27 | bryanfrommacau | me either :o |
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| 13:18.55 | jim | ok, then run this: ip link | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 13:19.21 | jim | which will pastebin the "some output" |
| 13:20.26 | bryanfrommacau | ok, done |
| 13:20.44 | jim | did it give you a url? |
| 13:20.56 | bryanfrommacau | http://termbin.com/kgsg |
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| 13:21.01 | jim | thanks |
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| 13:22.35 | jim | so that list of interfaces is: lo, ens1, wlp48s0 |
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| 13:23.42 | jim | (where we are now: you built the driver and installed it, we're testing it now) |
| 13:24.04 | jim | try this: iwlist scan |
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| 13:25.40 | jim | it might say "interface doesn't support scanning" for ens1 and lo, what does it say for the wl one?) |
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| 13:26.45 | jim | at least he's got a driver |
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| 13:27.33 | bryanfrommacau | Sorry, I got disconnected again |
| 13:28.09 | jim | (where we are now: you built the driver and installed it, we're testing it now) |
| 13:28.44 | bryanfrommacau | ok |
| 13:28.49 | jim | try this: iwlist scan |
| 13:29.25 | bryanfrommacau | lo interface doesn't support scanning, ensl interface doesn't support scanning |
| 13:29.46 | jim | and about the wl one? |
| 13:30.07 | bryanfrommacau | no other output |
| 13:30.09 | bryanfrommacau | nothing about wl |
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| 13:30.52 | jim | ok, could you run: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 13:32.05 | bryanfrommacau | http://termbin.com/zbc5 |
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| 13:36.00 | jim | do you have network-manager (or other, like wicd) installed? |
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| 13:37.44 | bryanfrommacau | There's an application called "network connections" in the gui, I'm not sure what else there might be |
| 13:38.14 | jim | bryanfrommacau, see what that does |
| 13:38.29 | jim | (seems promising) |
| 13:40.00 | jim | right now we're looking to see if the card is returning info about wireless nets in your area (i.e., your neighbors) |
| 13:40.08 | bryanfrommacau | It allows me to "ADD" a network connection, I can choose Wi-Fi, and click "create"....There is a place to type in SSID, "Cloned mac address", set something for "MTU" |
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| 13:40.26 | bryanfrommacau | It doesn't show any wifi signals |
| 13:40.39 | bryanfrommacau | the light is off again, my computer crashed last time I disconnected :/ |
| 13:40.54 | bryanfrommacau | wiat |
| 13:40.56 | bryanfrommacau | wait |
| 13:40.59 | jim | oh, maybe the module is unloaded |
| 13:41.20 | bryanfrommacau | I got the light back on |
| 13:41.27 | jim | how? |
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| 13:41.43 | jim | modprobe wl? |
| 13:41.49 | bryanfrommacau | hardware button |
| 13:41.57 | jim | oh ok |
| 13:42.15 | bryanfrommacau | sorry, not to familiar with this laptop |
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| 13:42.18 | jim | do you see stuff in that wireless app you found? |
| 13:42.27 | jim | meetoo |
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| 13:43.26 | bryanfrommacau | when I turned the light on, some popup came up in the corner of the screen, but I didn't click in time |
| 13:43.36 | bryanfrommacau | I tried turning on and off again, but another crash |
| 13:43.40 | bryanfrommacau | rebooting :/ |
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| 13:44.25 | jim | are you ircing from a different machine? |
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| 13:44.41 | bryanfrommacau | Yeah, I decided to use a different machine after the last crash |
| 13:44.43 | bryanfrommacau | just in case |
| 13:44.55 | jim | good idea |
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| 13:45.42 | bryanfrommacau | I'm in business |
| 13:45.45 | bryanfrommacau | I mean it worked |
| 13:45.53 | jim | what did it do? |
| 13:46.08 | bryanfrommacau | It said wireless connections are available |
| 13:46.14 | bryanfrommacau | so I connected to mine |
| 13:46.17 | jim | oh, cool |
| 13:46.27 | bryanfrommacau | testing... |
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| 13:46.33 | jim | and you can disconnect the eth? |
| 13:46.56 | bryanfrommacau | Yes, it's working |
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| 13:47.05 | bryanfrommacau | Thanks so much :) |
| 13:47.06 | jim | great :) |
| 13:47.11 | jim | welcome |
| 13:47.16 | bryanfrommacau | I thought I was missing something very simple |
| 13:47.23 | bryanfrommacau | I couldn't have done it without help |
| 13:47.24 | bryanfrommacau | thanks |
| 13:47.28 | jim | the driver :) |
| 13:47.55 | jim | to summarize... |
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| 13:48.01 | bryanfrommacau | That's what I get for trying to resurrect such an old laptop |
| 13:48.22 | jim | oh, and it has pcmcia slots? |
| 13:48.31 | RoyK | usually the firmware is in the repos |
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| 13:49.03 | RoyK | pcmcia or pc card? the former went out of style 10+ years ago |
| 13:49.14 | bryanfrommacau | I don't know what that is, I'll have to google it after I turn on my vpn |
| 13:49.27 | bryanfrommacau | It does have some strange port on the bottom of the laptop which I have no idea what it's for |
| 13:49.50 | bryanfrommacau | and something that comes out on the side...it might :D |
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| 13:50.28 | jim | for hardware provided by pcmcia cards |
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| 13:50.51 | RoyK | lshw should show what it is |
| 13:50.53 | jim | I noticed your dmesg said something about them |
| 13:51.07 | SirLagz | RoyK: expresscard is the one that's not out of style. PCMCIA is the same as PC Card |
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| 13:51.17 | SirLagz | RoyK: I had a whole bunch of PCMCIA NICs...I need to find them again |
| 13:51.24 | bryanfrommacau | I just searched, and yes, it has a mpcia card slot |
| 13:51.37 | bryanfrommacau | pcmcia card slot |
| 13:51.42 | bryanfrommacau | I never knew what that was for |
| 13:52.04 | jim | I used to have a modem on such a card |
| 13:53.00 | RoyK | those good old days with being proud of having 56,4kbps network speed |
| 13:53.31 | SirLagz | heh. getting 56k was pretty hard where I was. I'd normally get 45kbps or around there |
| 13:53.33 | bryanfrommacau | I think this computer is a little newer than that :) |
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| 13:54.15 | jim | it's old enough to have both ethernet and wireless |
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| 13:54.40 | SirLagz | jim: I have a laptop here that only has ethernet heh |
| 13:54.40 | bryanfrommacau | It does have a port for a phone line |
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| 13:55.15 | jim | builtin modem? |
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| 13:55.58 | bryanfrommacau | perhaps |
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| 13:57.03 | bryanfrommacau | and a docking station port |
| 13:57.07 | jim | sound working on the laptop? |
| 13:57.53 | bryanfrommacau | hmm, I'm not sure, let me try to find a way to test it |
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| 13:58.42 | jim | one way: run a youtube video... (and, how much ram does that laptop have?) |
| 13:58.51 | bryanfrommacau | no youtube here, blocked in china |
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| 13:59.52 | bryanfrommacau | is there a command I can type to see how much ram there is? |
| 14:00.00 | jim | free |
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| 14:00.20 | TaZeR | my laptop has a 56k modem, is there anything cool i can do with it today? |
| 14:00.25 | mr__tea | free -m is nice |
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| 14:00.34 | elwisp | Im on debian stretch, whats the easiest way to install Firefox Quantum? |
| 14:01.18 | bryanfrommacau | Seems 2GB |
| 14:01.24 | atomico | hmm |
| 14:01.27 | atomico | df -h |
| 14:01.34 | bryanfrommacau | 1937736 |
| 14:01.43 | atomico | drive space.. |
| 14:01.45 | jelly | elwisp: at this point, it's probably "download the tarball from Mozilla, unpack it somewhere and use it" |
| 14:01.47 | atomico | 2gb |
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| 14:01.59 | jim | well stretch was already released... which means, the versions of stuff that were availabla then, are the only things in the stretch archives,.,, there is a mozilla one, let me see... |
| 14:02.01 | agatineau | elwisp: like jelly said |
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| 14:02.05 | jim | !mozilla |
| 14:02.05 | dpkg | Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>. |
| 14:02.09 | agatineau | works fine for me |
| 14:02.16 | elwisp | okay |
| 14:02.37 | elwisp | i use i3wm an dmenu, so i would have to symlink it in somewhere then i guess |
| 14:02.37 | jim | !firefox |
| 14:02.38 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
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| 14:02.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell jim about msg the bot |
| 14:03.12 | bryanfrommacau | it took some time for the video to load, but sound is working |
| 14:03.18 | bryanfrommacau | everything seems good |
| 14:03.20 | bryanfrommacau | Thanks :) |
| 14:03.27 | jim | welcomer |
| 14:04.28 | atomo | oi |
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| 14:06.31 | jim | elwisp, so take a look at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 14:11.21 | elwisp | okay, thanks |
| 14:11.24 | elwisp | got it setup |
| 14:11.32 | elwisp | but rofi wont start it |
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| 14:11.47 | elwisp | so I will have to troubleshoot that |
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| 14:14.36 | atomo_ | ahá thanks |
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| 14:30.56 | TimeTraveler | hi does anyone know of a good diagram software for linux? I am using Dia at the moment but it feels very limited. I.e. cant even do simple things that i want to do like rotate shapes |
| 14:31.12 | fiet | dia does that |
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| 14:31.51 | TimeTraveler | how? |
| 14:31.57 | TimeTraveler | lol i cant find out how the hell to do it |
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| 14:33.54 | fiet | http://dia-installer.de/doc/rotation.html.en |
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| 14:34.00 | atomo | easy! |
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| 14:35.41 | flipper8827 | which command would i use ti restart dchpcd to implement the adblocking I've done at the /etc/hosts file level with out the ned to reboot my machine? |
| 14:35.54 | atomo | its fine |
| 14:36.00 | atomo | /etc/hosts its autoupdated |
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| 14:36.51 | atomo | btw u can use a privoxy |
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| 14:41.08 | gpunk | service dhcpd restart ? |
| 14:41.28 | gpunk | systemctl restart dhcpd ? |
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| 14:42.44 | atomo | sure! |
| 14:42.53 | atomo | but u dont need it imho |
| 14:43.08 | atomo | sudo systemctl if you use systemctl |
| 14:43.24 | atomo | or not sude eh.. service restart dhcpd |
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| 15:06.11 | aedinius | Hm. I think my sleep issues are related to USB/etc devices changing from time to sleep to time to wake |
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| 15:08.19 | bryanfrommacau | Does anyone have advice for a lighter alterative to libreoffice impress? |
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| 15:09.25 | aedinius | bryanfrommacau: How and what kind of light are we talking? |
| 15:10.06 | aedinius | bryanfrommacau: I like this https://github.com/visit1985/mdp |
| 15:10.11 | aedinius | But it really depends on your use-case |
| 15:10.23 | bryanfrommacau | impress is just a little bit sluggish, I just want something a little snappier |
| 15:11.29 | bryanfrommacau | command-line presentation tool o.o |
| 15:11.30 | bryanfrommacau | wow |
| 15:12.22 | bryanfrommacau | That is cool :D |
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| 15:12.58 | bryanfrommacau | I will definitely look into that for a different computer, but I'll need a gui for this one |
| 15:13.20 | bryanfrommacau | After searching I found wps, freeoffice, but I don' |
| 15:13.20 | tamarindo | what about beamer? |
| 15:13.36 | bryanfrommacau | t have experience to know which are more lightweight |
| 15:13.36 | aedinius | I like SoftMaker |
| 15:13.47 | aedinius | (FreeOffice) |
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| 15:16.20 | bryanfrommacau | ok, I'll look into softmaker |
| 15:16.22 | bryanfrommacau | thanks :) |
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| 15:17.42 | gpunk | bryanfrommacau wps is the best , for me ... |
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| 15:17.53 | aedinius | I actually bought Softmaker Office after using FreeOffice ("absolutely proprietary!") |
| 15:19.03 | bryanfrommacau | ok, I'll try one, and then the other if needed |
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| 15:19.06 | bryanfrommacau | thanks :) |
| 15:20.16 | aedinius | (They're both made by Softmaker, Freeoffice is typically an older version with some licensed stuff removed) |
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| 15:26.25 | TimeTraveler | is there anything better than Dia? |
| 15:26.28 | TimeTraveler | that is also free? |
| 15:26.34 | TimeTraveler | i find Dia kind of limiting |
| 15:26.41 | TimeTraveler | and cumbersome. and it appears to be dead |
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| 15:30.46 | TimeTraveler | anyone? |
| 15:30.54 | TimeTraveler | anyone have diagramming needs? |
| 15:30.59 | aedinius | TimeTraveler: It's not dead, apparently, they just haven't made a release |
| 15:31.14 | TimeTraveler | aedinius, hmm usually no release for 4 years = dead |
| 15:31.24 | aedinius | The repo is pretty active it seems |
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| 15:32.55 | TimeTraveler | i mean, it does the job for a quick diagram, but like i said, its pretty combersome and somewhat limited |
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| 15:33.11 | aedinius | dia is my goto honestly =/ |
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| 15:38.55 | Stutters | hi there :) |
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| 15:39.38 | Stutters | is this the right place to ask about permissions + acl? (been in ##linux, everybody busy there) |
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| 15:43.41 | TimeTraveler | depends Stutters why not just ask your question |
| 15:49.05 | petn-randall | Stutters: Are you running Debian? |
| 15:49.17 | Stutters | petn-randall: yes |
| 15:49.27 | Stutters | sorry, took a moment to write everything down without it being confusing :) |
| 15:49.29 | Stutters | I have this: webserver with user www-data having multiple environments (env1-5) for every developer each. those envX residing in the /var/www/html/<envX> are named after users. for instance /var/www/html/user1. I set the /var/www/html to root:root 2755, the /var/www/html/user1 to user1:developers 2755 |
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| 15:49.56 | Stutters | now file/directory creation works as intended, but the webserver cannot create new files in those envX folders (/var/www/html/user1) |
| 15:50.09 | Stutters | so I thought ACL of u:www-data:rwx on directories would help |
| 15:50.24 | Stutters | I can assign it properly, even recursively to directories only, but something masks it away making it r-x... so I can list those and see files, but not change/create them |
| 15:50.34 | Stutters | or at least the webserver can't |
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| 15:53.35 | TimeTraveler | Stutters, what command you using to apply the perms? |
| 15:55.13 | Stutters | TimeTraveler: well, something like this: find /var/www/html/* -type d -exec chmod 2755 {} \ |
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| 15:56.17 | TimeTraveler | Stutters, whats the leading 2 for? |
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| 15:56.43 | Stutters | setgid, so new directories inherit the parent's group ownership |
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| 15:56.57 | Stutters | it's basically a g+s |
| 15:57.26 | TimeTraveler | Stutters, if only members of the grop can write into the dir, then wont that be applied automatically? |
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| 15:58.28 | Stutters | TimeTraveler: I want to separate environments so user1 can only do everything he wants in /var/www/html/user1, user2 will have a similar setup, but he can read only in user1's environment |
| 15:58.38 | n4dir | from the top of my head: wouldn't chmod -R ... be the way to go? |
| 15:59.03 | giirt | Why does *curl 169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-ipv4* only display the content of the requested data while *echo `curl 169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-ipv4`* displays file-transfer-status + content of the requested file? |
| 15:59.15 | Stutters | n4dir: yes, kinda, except I'd get files to have the gid as well.. making them executable, I think |
| 15:59.29 | giirt | I thought the commands would display exactly the same thing since I echo the data of the curl command. |
| 16:00.04 | n4dir | Stutters: my point was kinda this (bit too confusing to explain): i am not sure if -R is needed to make follow-up creations of folder follow the same rules. |
| 16:00.35 | n4dir | find does -type d , so it won't be applied to files. |
| 16:01.08 | n4dir | like said: i am not too sure, was just shooting in the dark. food for thought, so to speak |
| 16:01.13 | Stutters | n4dir: that was my worry as well, when I was testing :) it seems to ge inherited though |
| 16:01.34 | n4dir | ah, so my idea was crap. At least that is sorted. Good luck :-) |
| 16:01.38 | Stutters | so 1x g+s let's it's babies be g+s too^^ |
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| 16:02.06 | Stutters | thanks, somebody broke it down for me a little in ##linux^^ |
| 16:02.08 | petn-randall | giirt: "man curl", look for the chapter progress meter. |
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| 16:06.04 | giirt | petn-randall: Thank you! |
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| 16:32.12 | RedSoxFan07 | My Debian machine is a Dell Optiplex from 2010 and it has a Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.93 GHz and 4 GBs of RAM. I'm thinking about getting into Blu-Rays, but I'm not sure if this system can handle it. Do you think this system can handle copying Blu-Rays to disk? In a reasonable amount of time? |
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| 16:35.35 | dTal | RedSoxFan07: I doubt any set-top Blu-Ray player is anywhere near that powerful :p |
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| 16:39.04 | RedSoxFan07 | dTal: But do you think it's powerful enough to copy a Blu-Ray disc to the hard drive? I.e. transcode a Blu-Ray to MP4 or MKV or WebM? |
| 16:39.06 | ascetik | Handbrake may do it, but I don't know if it is on debian |
| 16:39.23 | RedSoxFan07 | ascetik: I'm not asking about the software. I'm asking about the hardware. |
| 16:39.35 | dTal | anything's powerful enough given time |
| 16:39.54 | ascetik | yes its plenty |
| 16:39.59 | RedSoxFan07 | With my system's specs, how long would you say it would take? |
| 16:40.08 | ascetik | its not like you're running a Pentium II |
| 16:40.25 | ascetik | no idea, I don't rip movies |
| 16:40.29 | ascetik | ;) |
| 16:40.45 | RedSoxFan07 | dTal: What do you say? |
| 16:40.49 | dTal | I don't either |
| 16:41.04 | dTal | pretty sure it'd take awhile no matter how fast your computer is, you're reading like 30 gigs off an optical drive |
| 16:41.53 | ascetik | yes, what dTal said |
| 16:42.47 | ascetik | best way to find out is just rip one and see how long it takes |
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| 16:43.23 | koollman | the time to read it is not usually the problem |
| 16:43.58 | ascetik | I don't think the processor will be an issue, I mean it's not top of the line but the Core 2 Duo line isn't exactly slow |
| 16:44.09 | ascetik | it's no Ryzen, but it'll get the job done |
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| 16:44.31 | ascetik | the issue may be the buffer size since you only have 4gb of ram |
| 16:44.38 | koollman | ascetik: it's very slow :) |
| 16:44.39 | dTal | for DSP tasks CPU generation makes a big difference |
| 16:44.44 | koollman | (compared to modern stuff) |
| 16:44.51 | koollman | but, well ... it will work |
| 16:44.52 | ascetik | oh I agree |
| 16:45.11 | ascetik | but I'm just saying, if all you have is a shovel in a war, use the shovel |
| 16:45.15 | ascetik | :D |
| 16:45.16 | koollman | yep |
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| 16:47.19 | koollman | I wonder if there's a benchmark which could be used to get an idea of the time, online. I'm sure some people post the time it takes to encode a 2hour movie or something like that |
| 16:47.56 | ascetik | maybe yeah typically overclocking forums will post stuff like that |
| 16:48.23 | petn-randall | Modern CPUs/GPUs have hw encoders for common video encoders, so you'd see a huge increase in performance with those devices. |
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| 17:13.04 | shpingrlde | several blogs mention a command called "at" for scheduling something to run at a future time. "at HHMM xmessage remindertext" is a common example. however, on debian stretch the "at" prompt doesn't appear to be integrated with the rest of my system. if I run "at" and then try saying "xmessage test" or "echo $PATH", nothing whatsoever happens. how can I ensure all my normal binaries and environment variables |
| 17:13.05 | shpingrlde | apply to "at"? |
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| 17:14.39 | petn-randall | shpingrlde: If you'd run 'at "echo $PATH"' it would write that output into oblivion, not your shell, AFAICS. |
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| 17:18.39 | shpingrlde | how do I connect it to my shell, then? the examples I can find seem to indicate that 'at 1330 xmessage test' should work without any special setup beyond installing at and xmessage, but that's not currently the case on here |
| 17:19.53 | petn-randall | shpingrlde: Does "xmessage foo" work for you? |
| 17:20.04 | shpingrlde | yes |
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| 17:21.17 | shpingrlde | if I run 'at 1330' without any further arguments, it says "warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh" |
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| 17:23.04 | petn-randall | I haven't used "at" yet, but maybe someone else knows how to debug further this. |
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| 17:25.40 | shpingrlde | okay, thanks for your time |
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| 17:29.10 | shpingrlde | some searching has me thinking that I want "at" to use /bin/bash instead, but I don't know how (yet) to do that |
| 17:30.02 | petemc | why? |
| 17:30.27 | petn-randall | shpingrlde: I don't think that's related to your problem, since you're not using bash-specific syntax. |
| 17:30.33 | petemc | echo test | at now + 1 minute |
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| 17:31.20 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: I find to my surprise my install of jessie doesn't have the at command. |
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| 17:32.04 | shpingrlde | yeah, a very musty old linux user said "at is part of the basic "system that is running" set of commands" and was surprised I had to install it |
| 17:32.32 | shpingrlde | @jhutch, I mean |
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| 17:32.54 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: It's a bit tricky, it does a dialog mode. |
| 17:32.57 | shpingrlde | so far no go on the at + 1 minute, also. pretty sure it's been a minute |
| 17:33.04 | petemc | check atq |
| 17:33.17 | shpingrlde | yeah, it already fired |
| 17:33.36 | jhutchins | Interesting, it wants to install exim. |
| 17:33.37 | shpingrlde | thus far at doesn't do anything, because it can't find or run anything |
| 17:34.19 | jhutchins | shingouz: at time \n |
| 17:34.24 | shpingrlde | if I do "at HHMM", I can't tab complete any program that I know of in the new miniprompt |
| 17:34.34 | jhutchins | /path/to/command |
| 17:34.54 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: Right, because you're not in bash at that point, you're in at. |
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| 17:35.27 | shingouz | ? |
| 17:35.52 | shpingrlde | alphabetical nick completion, shingouz :) that was directed at me |
| 17:36.01 | shingouz | ah. ok. i almost woke up :) |
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| 17:37.16 | jhutchins | shingouz: Yeah, sry. |
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| 17:37.23 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/The_at_Command.html |
| 17:37.47 | shingouz | dont worry about it, man. i keep on lurking here as usual |
| 17:37.51 | petemc | echo "/usr/bin/touch /tmp/foobar" | at now + 1 minute , works for me, /tmp/foobar is created |
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| 17:38.51 | shpingrlde | I tried 'at 1037' '/usr/bin/xmessage test' and it didn't seem to fire. atq shows the job gone, of course |
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| 17:39.18 | shpingrlde | I can't tab complete /usr , if that means anything, in there |
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| 17:39.32 | petemc | i get syslog entries for it as well - Nov 18 17:37:00 ks356955 atd[6728]: pam_unix(atd:session): session closed for user pete |
| 17:39.44 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: As I said earlier, you're not in bash at that point, there's no bash completion. |
| 17:40.03 | shpingrlde | and that brunolinux blog looks like the other ones - it shows bruno saying "play" to execute the command, not "/usr/bin/play" |
| 17:40.58 | shpingrlde | are you on Stretch, petemc ? |
| 17:41.13 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: https://www.computerhope.com/unix/uat.htm https://tecadmin.net/one-time-task-scheduling-using-at-commad-in-linux/ |
| 17:41.27 | petemc | no, jessie |
| 17:41.33 | jhutchins | shpingrlde: at hasn't changed in decades. |
| 17:41.37 | matrix_architect | do i have to make some configuration after installing zsh or debian does the config automatically? |
| 17:41.50 | RoyK | <offtopic>Today's xkcd was a nice asperger</offtopic> |
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| 17:42.35 | jhutchins | matrix_architect: There's a default configuration you may or may not want to change; you do have to set your shell (chsh). |
| 17:42.40 | shpingrlde | right, jhutchins , that's why I'm inclined to blame Stretch. because those blogs (one of which I'd already seen in my hunt for answers) all seem to be able to rely on their usual commands working in "at" |
| 17:42.54 | simbalion | I've got a GTX 970, HDMI 2.0 cable, and UHD Monitor with HDMI 2.0 support. I'm using the official nVidia drivers packaged for Debian. I'm only getting 30HZ @ 4K resolution, can anyone suggest what I need to fix? |
| 17:43.09 | petemc | shpingrlde: it should work, check your syntax and quoting |
| 17:43.17 | matrix_architect | jhutchins, how can i set shell? |
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| 17:43.23 | jhutchins | matrix_architect: chsh |
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| 17:43.52 | matrix_architect | jhutchins, should i enter that command? |
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| 17:45.54 | jhutchins | matrix_architect: You might want to check the manpage for syntax and to see what it does. |
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| 17:49.10 | shpingrlde | http://i.imgur.com/xbGMWJS.png |
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| 17:50.44 | altendky | i have stretch installed with both gnome and plasma. i get 'Failed to set the selected audio output device' when trying to configure audio devices in plasma via the kde settings. in gnome i could select the other device and play the test audio. are 'gnome' and 'kde' just conflicting? how might i debug this? |
| 17:51.07 | jhutchins | altendky: Which release? |
| 17:51.16 | shpingrlde | syntax and quoting checked. |
| 17:51.41 | petemc | it looks like it worked, no? |
| 17:52.06 | altendky | jhutchins: i guess that's how new i am to debian, i thought stretch clarified that. been on ubuntu the past 10 years. |
| 17:52.14 | shpingrlde | it worked when I ran xmessage myself, outside of "at" |
| 17:52.31 | jhutchins | altendky: Um, no, it just means I need more coffee. Yes, stretch. |
| 17:52.38 | petemc | shpingrlde: check syslog |
| 17:53.29 | jhutchins | Do we have any evidence that xmessage can actually send messages from outside an interactive login? |
| 17:53.56 | petemc | the at job runs as the user who created it |
| 17:54.16 | altendky | jhutchins: i'll note that after i tested the 'other' audio device in gnome, logged out and back into plasma, it was used by kde. i have builtin, hdmi (don't want to use), a usb dac, and a rf headset. |
| 17:55.03 | jhutchins | Yes, i see that it's "used by shell scripts to display information to the user" so it should work. |
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| 17:56.47 | shpingrlde | xmessage + at is the first example here: http://opensourceforu.com/2016/03/a-few-useful-linux-commands-for-cli-enthusiasts/ the syntax they use is simply "$at 6 pm \ at>xmessage Time for the meeting" |
| 17:57.10 | jhutchins | altendky: The device is probably being set in alsa by gnome, so kde sees the same setting. |
| 17:57.27 | simbalion | Fixed my refresh rate issue, I plugged the hdmi cable into port 2 on my samsung monitor and suddenly am getting 60hz |
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| 17:58.17 | RedSoxFan07 | simbalion: That's interesting. I didn't know your monitor had two HDMI ports, and I never would have thought they would have different refresh rates. |
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| 18:00.38 | altendky | sometimes each port supports up to a different interface standard. so, might not have enough bandwidth on one because it is older, i think. |
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| 18:06.12 | shpingrlde | AHA https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/08/msg00414.html due to some kind of kernel change, you nowadays have to set DISPLAY=:0.0 before doing anything else in "at" |
| 18:07.09 | shpingrlde | it was sending the xmessage to some non-display, I guess, instead of defaulting to the only display that exists? |
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| 18:08.27 | altendky | or maybe just failing? as would happen running an x program from a virtual console, for example. |
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| 18:12.05 | shpingrlde | maybe! |
| 18:12.21 | the_custodian | why use debian over ubuntu? |
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| 18:13.48 | shpingrlde | those blogs gotta change to say "this only works this way in (my distro), consider setting the DISPLAY variable if using a different one" |
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| 18:14.30 | petn-randall | !why debian |
| 18:14.31 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 18:14.38 | petn-randall | the_custodian: ^^^ |
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| 18:16.00 | the_custodian | i've been switching everything over lately. i started with ubuntu , but now that i have a bit of experience i'm finding that i am enjoying working with debian much more. |
| 18:16.21 | jhutchins | the_custodian: It's a little more hands-on. |
| 18:16.28 | the_custodian | i imagine the place that ubuntu noticeably excels is the desktop environment? |
| 18:16.58 | jhutchins | the_custodian: That's a matter of preferences. |
| 18:17.38 | jhutchins | the_custodian: I think the big difference in ubuntu is that it does things like proprietary firmware and drivers and makes some choices for you. |
| 18:18.24 | arora | the_custodian: sudo is pre installed as well. |
| 18:18.36 | petn-randall | the_custodian: The downside of Ubuntu is that they only have proper support for the main repo, which is only 10% of all packages. And the non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months. |
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| 18:26.04 | the_custodian | i see. |
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| 18:29.17 | jhutchins | arora: debian's policy for sudo has shifted a bit. I believe if you don't supply a password for root during the install it installs and enables sudo. |
| 18:29.35 | jhutchins | arora: There are conditions where it installs it, but doesn't enable users by default. |
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| 18:30.36 | arora | Oh, been a while since i did fresh install. What are the conditions where it install it, but doesn't enable jhutchins? |
| 18:31.05 | jhutchins | arora: I don't know, but I know I've seen that (in person and here). |
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| 18:32.15 | jhutchins | I'm a root shell guy, so it's not installed here. |
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| 18:34.18 | arora | Mmm, thats daring. |
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| 18:37.26 | jhutchins | arora: Nah, just a different approach/philosophy. Nothing dangerous about it. |
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| 18:37.45 | jhutchins | arora: I learned on mainframe operator's consoles and in DOS. |
| 18:37.48 | the_custodian | you login directly as root with a password? |
| 18:38.04 | jhutchins | the_custodian: Yes, in a shell, or I use su - |
| 18:38.23 | jhutchins | In fact I'm having to retrain myself not to use sudo su - |
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| 18:38.54 | jhutchins | the_custodian: Mind you, I don't log in to X or use X programs as root. |
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| 18:41.19 | the_custodian | do you ever check your logs to see how many people are constantly bombarding your ssh port with root login requests? |
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| 18:41.57 | teraflops | the_custodian: not people, Chinese bots mainly |
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| 18:43.11 | the_custodian | seems like a no brainer to completely shut down that attack vector |
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| 18:45.09 | teraflops | the_custodian: well, those login attempts can load your cpu, and eventually perform a rudimentary DOS |
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| 18:46.13 | the_custodian | i've read that changing your ssh port also drastically reduces the chinese bot noise you get by a significant amount |
| 18:46.40 | petn-randall | You can use something like fail2ban or simple firewalling to mitigate that. |
| 18:46.44 | teraflops | that might not be an option, depending who you ask and their needs |
| 18:46.59 | petn-randall | But if you disable password logins via SSH there's also no password to brute-force. |
| 18:47.16 | teraflops | port knocking, throttling login attempts, and so on |
| 18:47.38 | aloo_shu | is 'chinese bot' an alias for 'nsa shell account in asia' ? |
| 18:47.49 | teraflops | nope |
| 18:48.07 | the_custodian | i've been meaning to set up a hardened openvpn2.4 server on debian, does anyone have any experience or advice? i understand openvpn well enough to get it setup and use it, however, i'm pretty fuzzy on the specifics/details of the configuration. |
| 18:48.11 | aloo_shu | could be anything,in fact |
| 18:48.35 | roastedsnowflake | moving the port mitigates a lot of crap |
| 18:49.27 | teraflops | the_custodian: again, it depends on your use cause. I'm ok allowing only openvpn and then ssh from inside |
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| 18:52.19 | the_custodian | mostly for the basic reasons you would need a vpn, and also to understand better exactly what's happening to my packets when i use it. but yeah, so i can connect to foreign wifi signals without being paranoid about traffic being intercepted or snooped, etc. |
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| 18:53.06 | teraflops | that's a reasonable use cause |
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| 18:53.52 | aloo_shu | muses if it wouldn't be fun to set up a ssh login honeypot - say let's you in at the 2000th attempt and then offers you some interesting environment that's painfully slow to respond.. |
| 18:54.42 | the_custodian | o |
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| 18:55.01 | koollman | aloo_shu: have a look at cowrie |
| 18:55.14 | the_custodian | i've found a few guides on it, perhaps i'll check those. i'm getting tired of using 'streisand' like scripts and not really having any idea what's happening when i set openvpn up. |
| 18:55.20 | the_custodian | also , ssh honeypot does sound quite fun. |
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| 18:56.22 | aloo_shu | what's the syntax to ask the bot about a pkg? |
| 18:57.05 | aloo_shu | !pkg cowrie |
| 18:57.55 | aloo_shu | !info cowrie |
| 18:58.10 | the_custodian | !pkg cowrie |
| 18:58.17 | the_custodian | !help |
| 18:58.32 | the_custodian | !welp, that's embarassing |
| 18:58.34 | teraflops | aloo_shu: /msg judd v package |
| 18:59.09 | aloo_shu | well, I get the answers in pm |
| 18:59.15 | teraflops | yeah |
| 18:59.17 | teraflops | :D |
| 18:59.47 | aloo_shu | makes sense, you don't want everybody's floodbot in here |
| 18:59.52 | teraflops | ,v for doing here but, please, don't spam the channel |
| 18:59.53 | judd | No package named 'for' was found in amd64. |
| 19:00.36 | aloo_shu | ,v cowrie |
| 19:00.37 | judd | No package named 'cowrie' was found in amd64. |
| 19:00.50 | aloo_shu | ,v ssh-honeypot |
| 19:00.51 | judd | No package named 'ssh-honeypot' was found in amd64. |
| 19:00.55 | teraflops | here we go⦠|
| 19:01.04 | aloo_shu | that was it |
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| 19:06.03 | the_custodian | has anyone ever caught any chinese bots with a honeypot, to see just exactly what they're up to? |
| 19:06.25 | koollman | I did. Many times |
| 19:06.45 | the_custodian | so what exactly are those things up to, if / when they get on your box? |
| 19:06.58 | koollman | typically rather simple scripts are uploaded, then they start scanning again, and join some kind of control system |
| 19:07.15 | the_custodian | a botnet type situation |
| 19:07.18 | koollman | yes |
| 19:07.26 | the_custodian | makes sense |
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| 19:07.45 | koollman | sometimes they just start spamming stuff right away, rather than scanning |
| 19:08.01 | the_custodian | did you attempt to reverse engineer what's happening with the script |
| 19:08.05 | koollman | but it makes sense to use 'newly acquired' ressources to keep growing the botnet :) |
| 19:08.11 | the_custodian | to see if you could find the CNC? |
| 19:08.57 | koollman | only when it was simple. Like an irc channel, or a bunch of (hacked) websites containing control data |
| 19:09.38 | koollman | irc channel was fun though. only the bot script could join, anything else was quickly banned and a dos launched against it :) |
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| 19:11.14 | the_custodian | china is spookily mysterious |
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| 19:11.57 | annadane | !offtopic |
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| 19:11.58 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:12.56 | the_custodian | !ontopic |
| 19:12.56 | dpkg | Please stay on topic. #debian's mission is to help users of Debian solve problems and understand their Debian systems. If what you are discussing has no relationship to Debian, please move your discussion (and invite participants) to a channel where it is on topic, such as #politics, #general, #ubuntu, or #yourownchannel. Failure to moderate yourself will result in operators moderating for you. |
| 19:13.19 | tomy | why is it necessary/important to upgrade to the latest kernel version ? |
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| 19:13.41 | petn-randall | tomy: It isn't. |
| 19:13.44 | syslq | tomy, it's not |
| 19:14.08 | petn-randall | tomy: It's important to keep the kernel up-to-date, not necessarily to run the latest version. |
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| 19:14.24 | tomy | so as long everything is running right there is no reason upgrading ? |
| 19:14.25 | jelly | tomy, the kernel is a software component. Package updates bring fixes to bugs and security issues. |
| 19:14.56 | syslq | tomy, exactly |
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| 19:15.14 | jelly | tomy, the simplest thing to do is keep it updated with the rest of the distro |
| 19:15.23 | tomy | whats the difference between keeping kernel up to date and having the latest version ? |
| 19:15.29 | syslq | Actually the absolutely newest stuf does fix bugs and security issues, but it can also introduce them :) |
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| 19:16.25 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 19:16.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc7-686 (4.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 19:16.27 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 19:16.32 | tomy | what if i dont like the latest version of the distro ,for reasons ? |
| 19:16.32 | syslq | tomy, point is not to be too much behind |
| 19:16.49 | jelly | tomy, then we ask you what kind of reasons |
| 19:17.26 | petn-randall | tomy: For example, the current kernel version of stretch is 4.9.50, which gets updated every time there are security fixes. The next version would be 4.9.51. However, the *newest* version currently is 4.14. |
| 19:17.42 | tomy | right now i am running on 3,xx version ,but the latest is 4.8 or something.. |
| 19:18.07 | syslq | That's like running xp in ms world... |
| 19:18.29 | jelly | tomy, which debian release are you using? |
| 19:18.32 | syslq | Probably not a good idea |
| 19:18.39 | jelly | tomy, and what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:18.56 | tomy | i am on debian 8 and its fien for me |
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| 19:19.51 | tomy | uname is debian 3.16.0-4 |
| 19:20.08 | jelly | that's not the complete output of uname -a |
| 19:20.19 | jelly | can you show the complete output? |
| 19:20.19 | tomy | wait a minute |
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| 19:21.43 | tomy | the copy and pasting isnt working so good ,,,hope its not kernel reasons ...lol |
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| 19:22.22 | petn-randall | The kernel has no meddlings in copy/paste, that's all userspace. |
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| 19:23.46 | tomy | good to hear.. |
| 19:24.02 | the_custodian | can you show me the complete output of cat /etc/passwd and the IP of your server? |
| 19:24.04 | the_custodian | thanks |
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| 19:24.27 | petn-randall | the_custodian: What would you need that for? |
| 19:24.31 | syslq | tomy, don't do that |
| 19:24.37 | the_custodian | lol. |
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| 19:24.41 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 19:24.42 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:24.54 | tomy | thtas sounds like a fishy question |
| 19:25.00 | the_custodian | yeah but what if i am an aol user |
| 19:25.04 | syslq | tomy, it is... it's a joke I suppose |
| 19:25.24 | the_custodian | i think if enough of us get back on aol instant messenger we might be able to rescue it from its impending doom |
| 19:26.03 | syslq | the_custodian, he might not understand the difference between kernel space and user space but guy's questions seem legit... It's a support channel after all :) |
| 19:26.15 | petn-randall | the_custodian: Try to keep the SNR high. |
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| 19:26.44 | jelly | the_custodian, next line that that gets you banned for a day. |
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| 19:27.01 | neredsenvy | Anyone here using supervisor knows if you can manually call it and pass it .conf file in a separate location or with a different name ? |
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| 19:28.25 | tomy | my impression of #debian is that its not just for the super experts |
| 19:29.13 | arora | Debian is simple, it just takes a genius to understand its simplicity. |
| 19:29.16 | the_custodian | apparently shitty jokes aren't welcome either, good to know! i'm new here. |
| 19:29.18 | syslq | tomy, debian is not just for super experts... Basically anyone with normal IQ should be able to use it once it's installed & configured |
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| 19:29.28 | syslq | Much like any other os |
| 19:30.35 | dixie7z__ | i dont have problems with debian but only when im upgrading dist-upgrading -.- and im using stable... xubuntu is more stable than debian |
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| 19:31.05 | dixie7z__ | but i like the logo.... |
| 19:31.26 | syslq | dixie7z__, great then xubuntu works for you, use it. I think it's based on testing or even unstable though |
| 19:32.07 | syslq | They lost me with that amazon search integration... I never could get over it :) |
| 19:32.16 | tomy | what are the basic differences between debian 8 and 9 ? |
| 19:32.51 | petn-randall | tomy: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro |
| 19:32.53 | syslq | tomy, rule of thumb, once release hits stable, you should upgrade. Simple as that. |
| 19:33.05 | syslq | It's not too often :) |
| 19:33.16 | jelly | tomy, the release notes for 9 cover some of the more visible changes |
| 19:33.17 | tomy | allright ,but why ? |
| 19:33.25 | dixie7z__ | well syslq ... im here because i love debian and i think that the only way its crashing is because of my poor knowledge and not because of debian itself... so im here to learn and fix stuff... :p |
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| 19:34.00 | petn-randall | Well, you have about a year time after a new release to upgrade, after that the support is limited. |
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| 19:34.46 | syslq | tomy, and that's basically the same reason you would not want to use xp anymore. No more security patches, exploits are there to stay... |
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| 19:34.57 | jelly | tomy, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro |
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| 19:35.31 | tomy | support is limited .does it mean risks on security or just inconveniences on user levels ? |
| 19:35.36 | syslq | dixie7z__, probably your hardware (unless you have done really weird stuf). Debian stabe really is stabl |
| 19:35.38 | syslq | stable |
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| 19:36.27 | jelly | tomy, debian 8 (jessie) will have security support until around May 2018, and most likely some sort of security support by debian LTS team until 2020 |
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| 19:37.00 | dixie7z__ | well now i have a driver nvidia problem... lightdm crashes on boot on new kernel.. on old kernel its fine... i installed it trought nvidia site... with ubuntu .deb package... maybe thats the problem... im not sure... im sticking with old kernel for now |
| 19:37.06 | dixie7z__ | syslq, |
| 19:37.23 | aloo_shu | the_custodian: I sure was lmao. Sometimes #debian-offtopic is nice, sometimes, too, it's dead. there's always the option to begin something here and move over when it begins being out of place |
| 19:37.24 | tomy | thats good to hear |
| 19:37.29 | BenNZ | dixie7z__: did you install the kernel headers ? |
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| 19:38.09 | jelly | tomy, you'll want to do a release upgrade to 9 before that, or keep your system off the internet |
| 19:38.21 | dixie7z__ | BenNZ, yes i did |
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| 19:39.18 | tomy | keep you r system off the net ...that sounds sooo apocalyptic.... |
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| 19:40.14 | syslq | tomy, are you trolling or you don't understand how unpatched exploits work? |
| 19:40.44 | tomy | i do know lilttle about linux |
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| 19:41.10 | BenNZ | dixie7z__: did dkms build the kernel module ? |
| 19:41.39 | dixie7z__ | nope... how to do that |
| 19:41.41 | syslq | tomy, that's generic computing knowledge and applies to all systems |
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| 19:41.50 | syslq | tomy, https://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/02/27/exploits-work/ something like that |
| 19:42.20 | jelly | it's not about linux, just about unmaintained software. If there's no internet access there's a lot less ways to abuse a system |
| 19:42.26 | dixie7z__ | BeNZ.... give me a link please with commands... thx :) will try that |
| 19:42.28 | syslq | exactly |
| 19:43.23 | aloo_shu | now, and is that more on-topic than wandering from ssh hardening to honeypots? |
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| 19:43.56 | dixie7z__ | BeNZ it says in apt-get linux-headers is already the newest version |
| 19:44.08 | dixie7z__ | is that enough? |
| 19:44.17 | DerLGm | jelly: i met RMS thr other day |
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| 19:44.39 | DerLGm | he said most of the time he doesnt have a net connection |
| 19:44.54 | jelly | aloo_shu, keep this channel for tech support, please; discussing what's offtopic is also offtopic. |
| 19:44.59 | petn-randall | the_custodian: There's a fine line between shitty jokes and trolling. The former is tolerated in here, as long as you're not making support difficult or spamming the channel with it. If you're new (not only #debian, but anywhere), it's always a good idea to listen how people interact and see what's ok and not ok behaviour. |
| 19:45.01 | DerLGm | Stallman doesnt go on irc |
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| 19:49.26 | altendky | jhutchins: installing the gstreamer backend for phonon, preferring it, and rebooting seems to have worked so far. i guess there's an issue with the vlc backend that was installed and used by default. |
| 19:49.29 | the_custodian | anyone have any tips for hardening a new debian-stretch server?, or maybe a link to a comprehensive guide somewhere? |
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| 19:58.08 | syslq | the_custodian, I always install fail2ban if that helps |
| 19:58.16 | BenNZ | dixie7z__: sorry was afk , try sudo apt-0get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:59.12 | BenNZ | dixie7z__: oops typo apt-get , but you probably saw that anyway |
| 19:59.14 | the_custodian | that's just generalized bruteforce protection, yes? |
| 19:59.19 | the_custodian | what about kernel-hardening? |
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| 20:04.06 | dixie7z__ | it says is already the newest version :( BeNZ |
| 20:04.53 | jelly | the_custodian, there's no easy single thing to be done about kernel hardening since grsecurity closed access, but wait for KSPP to slowly merge bits and pieces to mainline |
| 20:05.05 | dixie7z__ | nevermind. ill stick to old kernel till newer comes out and maybe fixes the problem |
| 20:05.06 | BenNZ | dixie7z__: did the module for nvidia get built |
| 20:05.54 | dixie7z__ | im mining altcoins with nvidia on old kernel... its working |
| 20:06.02 | petn-randall | the_custodian: The Debian handbook has some good info on how to do that: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
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| 20:06.25 | dixie7z__ | so probably yes |
| 20:06.34 | petn-randall | the_custodian: TL;DR: You need to read into and understand the threats, there is not single "security" button to push to magically make your system more secure. |
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| 20:08.54 | jelly | well, there _used_ to be a collection of buttons in one handy patch |
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| 20:13.48 | the_custodian | i figured as much, i wasn't necessaarily looking for a magic button or a single package i could install but rather a comprehensive overview of the potential threats or vulnerabilities that may be exploited and ways to prevent such a thing from occurring. |
| 20:14.19 | the_custodian | i suppose a quick google search would be helpfulp, but i figured someone here may know of one or maybe have some strong opinions about such matters |
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| 20:15.45 | the_custodian | but yeah on some level i imagine it's all very specific to the context in which you plan on using the server as well. |
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| 20:17.19 | petn-randall | the_custodian: If you keep your system up-to-date, you already covered 95% of all security threats. Everything else is handling the remaining 5%. |
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| 20:17.55 | no_gravity | Strange. Depending on where I sit in my apartment, different WiFi channels give me the best performance. |
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| 20:18.32 | no_gravity | And it's not a small difference. The channel that works best on one side of the room is pretty much unusable on the other side. |
| 20:18.33 | inSync | no_gravity: not that strange at all |
| 20:18.40 | jelly | no_gravity, now you learned something about geometry and microwaves |
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| 20:19.10 | petn-randall | And that other people also have wifi hotspots that interfere. |
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| 20:19.38 | inSync | petn-randall: that's where i was going |
| 20:19.43 | no_gravity | petn-randall: What did I learn? |
| 20:20.11 | no_gravity | Maybe I should look for an apartment with optimized WiFi geometry? |
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| 20:21.34 | syslq | no_gravity, maybe you should consider increasing your tx strength, it's cheaper... |
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| 20:22.03 | inSync | syslq: lol, maybe a better antenna |
| 20:22.07 | syslq | With a lot of noise you need to speak louder... either that or use antena |
| 20:22.10 | syslq | yes... :) |
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| 20:24.06 | syslq | no_gravity, I have something like https://www.amazon.com/H50194-Wireless-802-11n-Omnidirectional-External/dp/B003516BJU |
| 20:25.15 | syslq | you don't need external obviously |
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| 20:25.56 | syslq | And intel chip would help if laptop is linux |
| 20:27.44 | jelly | no_gravity, maybe to ask about the reasons and workarounds in ##networking or #wireless |
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| 20:29.09 | jelly | syslq, I got better stability with _less_ tx, talking to coworker's AP through two floors and a load-bearing wall |
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| 20:30.35 | inSync | jelly: i had that problem, but it turned out i was using the wrong openwrt build on my router, bad kernel support for the wifi nic |
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| 20:33.38 | syslq | jelly, that's kind of weird. Higher tx should yield better results in any case, unless I don't understand something properly |
| 20:34.14 | syslq | You would cause more interferance for others but for you comm should be better |
| 20:34.32 | syslq | That's why we have 100mw limit in EU |
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| 20:35.52 | inSync | syslq: on a RF saturated environment, less is more |
| 20:36.49 | syslq | inSync, I doubt that applies to signal strenght. |
| 20:36.57 | petn-randall | syslq: I'd assume neighbouring APs/clients will increase transmit power when they have difficulties reaching each other. |
| 20:37.08 | syslq | petn-randall, yep... :) |
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| 20:37.32 | syslq | That's why 100mw legal minit for this spectrum in consumer grade networks |
| 20:37.43 | syslq | s/minit/limit |
| 20:38.21 | syslq | It's better to use directed antenna, that to flood entire frequency range. |
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| 20:39.58 | petn-randall | syslq: It's up to 1,000 mW for the 5 GHz range. Also, not sure how that exactly relates to this issue. |
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| 21:15.06 | fripster | hi all. Trying to install Gufw on testing. But it is broken. Anyone a clue why? |
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| 21:15.48 | fripster | error: "gufw : Depends: gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 but it is not going to be installed" |
| 21:16.05 | fripster | Trying to follow this is like going down a rabbit hole |
| 21:16.45 | fripster | any tips on how to find the culprit? |
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| 21:20.00 | fripster | nobody? |
| 21:20.05 | jhutchins | fripster: That usually indicates that you've mixed packages from differrent releases. |
| 21:20.16 | fripster | ah... that's not good |
| 21:20.21 | fripster | could be the case tho |
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| 21:20.24 | jhutchins | fripster: Do you have contrib and non-free enabled? |
| 21:20.26 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 21:20.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:20.33 | dixie7z__ | BenNZ... i figured it out... you were right thanks for your help.. i run installer for nvidia from their site on old kernel.. now i did it on new one... now it works... thanks :) |
| 21:20.36 | fripster | thank you. will make a clean install |
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| 21:20.45 | petn-randall | fripster: Can you provide *all* the above details from dpkg's message? |
| 21:21.22 | jhutchins | dixie7z__: The Nvidia installer should offer to set up dkms for you - you might have to install dkms before you run it. That will recognize a new kernel at boot and re-build the driver. |
| 21:22.20 | dixie7z__ | jhutchins, i installer dkms 10 minutes ago.. now it will work alright :) |
| 21:22.29 | dixie7z__ | i installed* |
| 21:23.20 | dixie7z__ | why dkms isnt installed by default? |
| 21:23.26 | dixie7z__ | on debian 9 |
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| 21:31.52 | teraflops | dixie7z__: because it's not needed unless a package depends on it |
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| 21:33.29 | sillyslux | is there a way to pause the boot process? |
| 21:33.55 | sillyslux | and maybe to step from message to message? |
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| 21:44.37 | sillyslux | ctrl-s to pause and ctrl-q to resume, shift-pgUp/pgDown to scroll |
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| 21:49.53 | jelly | sillyslux, that typically does not stop the process, only its output |
| 21:50.22 | sillyslux | oh, hm, better than nothing :( |
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| 22:05.08 | pinky | anyone using a Adaptec 29160N scsi card by any chance? |
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| 22:05.33 | pinky | i ebayed one and having problems, maybe should have gotten something newer |
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| 22:14.43 | snrz | ciao |
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| 22:16.01 | d9867eb | hi |
| 22:16.20 | rdal | Hi |
| 22:17.08 | d9867eb | I had like Alacritty on Debian but there is no package. |
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| 22:22.14 | inSync | d9867eb: seems a nice piece of software |
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| 22:26.25 | malkom322 | Hello guys, on Debian 9 my TP-Link tl-wn722n doesn't work(it should be tl-wn722n version 1), I can see in lsusb atheros device but not in iwconfig or ip addr and it doesn't show in the network manager applet |
| 22:26.45 | malkom322 | The dongle works in Windows 7 and I used it in other distros for ages, atheros module is loaded according to lsmod |
| 22:26.53 | malkom322 | Does somebody know how can I fix this problem? |
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| 22:27.03 | d9867eb | I had like Alacritty on Debian but there is no package. |
| 22:27.47 | mtn | malkom322: in a terminal: sudo rfkill list wifi paste the results to paste.debian.net |
| 22:27.48 | annadane | d9867eb, if you have the source code you can build it from source |
| 22:28.02 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 22:29.10 | d9867eb | @annadane is there any way it could get a package any time soon? |
| 22:29.14 | malkom322 | mtn I'm on Windows, wait a couple of minutes I'll be right back using Debian to ru that command |
| 22:29.42 | annadane | d9867eb, only if someone uploads it to experimental/unstable and begins the process from there |
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| 22:30.19 | annadane | and then in ~2 years, whenever buster releases and it passes the criteria it'll be accepted into stable |
| 22:30.43 | inSync | d9867eb: maybe you could learn to package it yourself |
| 22:30.45 | d9867eb | is there a place where users can vote for new software to be included? |
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| 22:31.11 | inSync | and try to get a sponsor on debian-mentors |
| 22:31.23 | inSync | to get your package through |
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| 22:31.45 | d9867eb | @inSync I dont have the knowledge or the time right now |
| 22:33.55 | inSync | d9867eb: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851639 |
| 22:33.56 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851639 in wnpp (open): «ITP: alacritty -- A cross-platform, GPU-accelerated terminal emulator»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-01-17; last modified: 2017-01-17. |
| 22:34.31 | inSync | it seems that eric already has shown intent to package it |
| 22:35.09 | inSync | email him endorsing your support |
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| 22:35.49 | d9867eb | inSync: do you mean Eric Dorland? |
| 22:36.42 | inSync | yep |
| 22:36.59 | gbs-ufam | is this the correct way to configure the archs that i want to sync in ftpsync.conf? ARCH_INCLUDE="source all amd64 i386" |
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| 22:45.28 | d9867eb | @inSync: email sent |
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| 22:50.10 | d9867eb | @inSync: it it close to a year since the guy posted that bugreport, maybe he left it? |
| 22:50.13 | jelly | gbs-ufam, I think you don't have to include all explicitely |
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| 22:57.54 | gbs-ufam | jelly, only it is wrong? |
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| 22:59.07 | sn00p | how do I get my video card to stop freezing on start up after fresh install? |
| 22:59.31 | gbs-ufam | sn00p, check your driver |
| 22:59.42 | sn00p | How can I |
| 22:59.46 | sn00p | when it doesn't boot up |
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| 23:00.54 | malkom322 | So this is the rfkill list output https://paste.debian.net/996453/ |
| 23:01.23 | malkom322 | But When I booted into Debian 9 I saw an error regarding Atheros firmware, is Debian 9 unable to use tl-wn722n version 1 without firmware? |
| 23:01.46 | malkom322 | On Windows 7 it worked just installing the driver and on Debian 9 it seems the atheros driver is installed according to lsmod output |
| 23:01.57 | malkom322 | Any help guys? |
| 23:02.29 | malkom322 | In short, anyone from Debian that know relly what this problem is from? |
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| 23:04.35 | RoyK | malkom322: have you installed the firmware for that chip? |
| 23:04.49 | mtn | malkom322: is firmware-atheros installed? |
| 23:05.09 | malkom322 | RoyK mtn no |
| 23:05.27 | mtn | malkom322: there you go |
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| 23:05.36 | RoyK | malkom322: quite a few of those chipse are completely undocumented, and a "driver" is just a framework to access the "firmware", a closed-source thing which is the real driver |
| 23:05.38 | malkom322 | I don't see why I should install it on Windows is it installed when I install the tp-link driver for tl-wn722n V1? |
| 23:05.41 | RoyK | I hate those guys |
| 23:05.51 | RoyK | just use an intel board instead |
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| 23:07.19 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 23:07.19 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 23:07.57 | jelly | malkom322, you'll be able to install firmware-atheros after adding those ^^ |
| 23:08.15 | jelly | use a wired connection temporarily |
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| 23:10.31 | malkom322__ | before installing non-free packages on my distros, can somebody explain why TP-LINK TL-WN722N Version 1 works on Windows 7 with only the driver shipped from TP-LINK or the Atheros driver installed by Windows Update while on Debian 9 Stretch the ath9_htc module/driver require the firmware too? |
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| 23:11.10 | malkom322__ | !come on |
| 23:11.37 | inSync | malkom322__: there is no analogy between windows and linux drivers that i can see |
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| 23:11.58 | malkom322__ | inSync thank you for the answer |
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| 23:12.19 | malkom322__ | inSync so you mean the two drivers are different and the ath9_htc require firmware too? |
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| 23:13.00 | inSync | i really do not know that specific driver/module, but people here have said so |
| 23:13.17 | jelly | malkom322__, windows driver includes the firmware, most likely |
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| 23:13.39 | malkom322__ | jelly finally I understood |
| 23:13.43 | malkom322__ | thank you for the answer :) |
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| 23:14.46 | jelly | malkom322__, that's just a guess. I don't know what windows does. |
| 23:15.11 | sn00p | it lets in fresh air |
| 23:15.17 | jelly | but it's a plausible explanation |
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| 23:17.04 | malkom322___ | so I just installed atheros-firmware for Debian 9 Stretch and the usb dongle is now recognized but can't connect to the network |
| 23:17.04 | maxzor | Hello I had a fresh stretch install on a laptop, mousepad is ok but soft clicking does not work, only hard clicking, any clue? |
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| 23:17.22 | malkom322___ | while the internal chipset is working connected to the same network the usb dongle can't |
| 23:17.26 | malkom322___ | any ideas? |
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| 23:17.51 | jelly | malkom322___, reboot after installing it, if you haven't |
| 23:18.12 | jelly | malkom322___, assuming you meant firmware-atheros |
| 23:18.14 | malkom322___ | maxzor most likely you require some extra packages depending on your computer try a look up on the internet you'll find something on stackexchange for sure |
| 23:18.21 | malkom322___ | maxzor I hat that problem |
| 23:18.28 | maxzor | malkom322___, ty |
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| 23:20.07 | d9867eb | hi |
| 23:20.16 | d9867eb | btw |
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| 23:25.13 | mxh- | What's a tip for a software sound equalizer? gtk or ncurses |
| 23:25.48 | d9867eb | i have a RTL8111/8168/8411 card. I need to use proprietary for that. is it possible to escape from that? |
| 23:26.02 | d9867eb | proprietary drivers |
| 23:28.17 | inSync | mxh-: have you tried libasound2-plugin-equal? just something that pops out of apt-cache search equalizer |
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| 23:34.58 | mxh- | inSync: cannot figure out what binary that is supposed to install. Nothing with the name alsa or mixer or eq in the name it appears. |
| 23:35.28 | mxh- | inSync: Website is down as well. Unsure about that one but thanks for the tip. |
| 23:36.47 | allizom | d9867eb: you could use an usb ethernet card |
| 23:43.06 | d9867eb | thanks |
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| 23:46.17 | Roger9 | 'Ello. |
| 23:46.27 | Roger9 | I recently installed Debian 9. |
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| 23:47.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. |
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| 23:51.26 | inSync | hi Roger9, have fun in your endeavour |
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| 23:54.37 | malkom322 | Hello I was asking for support fofr TP-LINK TL-WN722N Version 1 on Debian 9 Stretch and I decided to install atheros firmware, since it was not working I finally rebooted into Debian after using for a while Windows 7 The result is that the TP-LINK dongle is recognized and also listed in iwconfig ut it can't connect to a network. On Windows 7 everything works fine, Debian is able to connect to the network too using the internal chip |
| 23:55.10 | malkom322 | It's hours I'm trying to fix this problem please give me a solution that works once for all |
| 23:55.28 | malkom322 | Debian 9 is called stable I don't want so many problems it's unbelievable |
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| 23:56.04 | inSync | malkom322: and these problems of yours are just starting |
| 23:56.18 | malkom322 | inSync wt? |
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| 23:56.59 | malkom322 | inSync wt? I also add the f since this is a support channel not a pub, wtf? |
| 23:57.27 | inSync | try to cope with the fact that debian is a linux distribution and in its uniqueness, it takes freedom as a pretty serious matter |
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| 23:58.07 | d9867eb | hi am back, another question |
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| 23:58.26 | inSync | so if you want to use a piece of hardware that was not built with such principles, you must use nonfree software |
| 23:58.44 | malkom322 | I already installed atheros firmware |
| 23:58.52 | d9867eb | can i run this without installing proprietary firmware on Debian? https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/pcie-gigabit-ethernet-card-dual-port-w-full-lowprofile-brackets |
| 23:59.03 | mxh- | inSync: Where does it sey they do not what to run non-free software? |
| 23:59.09 | malkom322 | this damned dongle always worked fine on kali linux stop joking around this is a Debian problem.... |
| 23:59.09 | mxh- | say& |
| 23:59.21 | allizom | inSync: ath9k_htc has free firmware available, just fyi |
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| 23:59.57 | themill | malkom322: a concise description of what you have tried and what happens would be helpful. Real commands and real output in pastebin often helps |
