| 00:00.08 | mxh- | malkom322: I assume this is some wifi dongle? Have you installed the non-free iwlwifi package? |
| 00:00.22 | mxh- | malkom322: Or any non-free driver package, not sure if that one covers yours |
| 00:00.48 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.52 | inSync | and maybe one of these days you will find out that there is hardware that does not work with linux, regardless. that was what i was meaning with your problems starting |
| 00:01.20 | Brigo | malkom322, any hint from the logs? |
| 00:01.48 | themill | d9867eb: the page you linked to says exactly that |
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| 00:02.52 | d9867eb | so I could just buy it, put it in my computer and uninstall firmware-realtek and everything would work? |
| 00:03.01 | d9867eb | with Debian |
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| 00:03.52 | d9867eb | I had like to go all free software but I can not because of drivers |
| 00:03.58 | malkom322__ | I don't know what to do, I've to go working on Windows I can't use my TP-Link wifi dongle on Debian even tough I installed even atheros-firmware |
| 00:04.31 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.33 | Brigo | malkom322, any hint from the logs? |
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| 00:04.55 | themill | d9867eb: I only know what is on the page you linked to. |
| 00:05.15 | mxh- | d9867eb:You could look up if any model number is supported by a specific driver if you wanted. |
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| 00:05.39 | Brigo | malkom322__, have you non-free support? |
| 00:05.53 | malkom322__ | Brigo firmware-atheros this is tp-link not realtek chipset I didn't find anything useful using dmesf |
| 00:05.56 | malkom322__ | Brigo firmware-atheros this is tp-link not realtek chipset I didn't find anything useful using dmesg |
| 00:06.01 | malkom322__ | Brigo no |
| 00:06.08 | themill | malkom322__: a concise description of what you have tried and what happens would be helpful. Real commands and real output in pastebin often helps |
| 00:06.28 | Brigo | malkom322__, you are right. |
| 00:06.31 | malkom322__ | Brigo I downloaded the package and installed with dpkg -i, that package has no dependency. dpkg-query -l shows it as installed |
| 00:06.40 | noahmg123 | Is it safe to delete my Windows partition and then extend my current Linux partition over it while in Linux? |
| 00:07.14 | d9867eb | mxh-: well it a r8111e chipset so i doubt it |
| 00:07.16 | inSync | noahmg123: safe as in it will destroy all data on the windows partition? yes, it is safe |
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| 00:07.28 | Brigo | malkom322__, i found in google your usb dongle is supported by atheros driver. |
| 00:08.05 | malkom322__ | themill I downloaded atheros-firmware(firefox-esr), I installed using dpkg -i package_name-deb I rebooted and the dongle can't connect to my wifi network* *while the internal chipset can and while Windows 7 can't use the dongle without any hassles |
| 00:08.18 | noahmg123 | inSync: I'm more worried about it being safe to resize a partition that's currently mounted. Also, would it screw with the bootloader? |
| 00:08.51 | inSync | after resizing the partition you have to resize the filesystem |
| 00:08.55 | Brigo | malkom322__, we need more information. Maybe that firmware is not in the right directory. |
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| 00:09.27 | themill | malkom322__: "can't connect" doesn't say anything |
| 00:09.29 | noahmg123 | inSync: what do you mean? |
| 00:09.40 | inSync | noahmg123: and i'm not sure if you can do that online |
| 00:10.06 | malkom322__ | themill it connect forever without completing the connection looking at the wifi applet icon |
| 00:10.10 | inSync | noahmg123: you have to extend the partition and then you have to extend the filesystem on it |
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| 00:10.21 | malkom322__ | themill also the wifi has no security at all(no wep, no wpa, it's open) |
| 00:10.25 | HERO | Hello |
| 00:10.30 | mxh- | d9867eb: Actually you're in luck because this package https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kernel/r8168-dkms claims to work for that very model. |
| 00:10.44 | noahmg123 | inSync: what's the difference between the partition and the file system? And how do I extend both? |
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| 00:11.34 | inSync | noahmg123: use gparted |
| 00:11.34 | mxh- | d9867eb: It is non-free though so you will have to have the non-free enabled/added. |
| 00:11.36 | Brigo | malkom322__, i suspect you miss the right firmware and just installing the package i said it will work. |
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| 00:11.57 | noahmg123 | inSync: that's what I was already planning on doing. |
| 00:12.06 | inSync | noahmg123: there is a bootcd with that |
| 00:12.07 | malkom322__ | Brigo the debian page said for ath9_htc that's it |
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| 00:13.04 | d9867eb | mxh-: thanks but what I wanted was to escape from propritary drivers |
| 00:13.49 | d9867eb | however its package copyright file says it is gpl 2 |
| 00:13.51 | d9867eb | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/r/r8168/r8168_8.043.02-1_copyright |
| 00:13.52 | noahmg123 | inSync: can't I just use the GParted that's already on my system? |
| 00:14.15 | d9867eb | why is it labeled as non-free? |
| 00:14.23 | inSync | noahmg123: like i said, i don't think you can do it online |
| 00:14.35 | inSync | noahmg123: check with google |
| 00:14.36 | malkom322__ | I think if each day I've to spend 4+ hours in fixing a Debian issue this is a big problem. I don't want to say anything against Debian but the definition of a stable distro should be different, if the OS is only usable to play and joke around ok but if one can also use it for work then this shouldn't be happening. It's like I'm forced to use windows and I don't like it, and it's like there's nothing to do about it because even if |
| 00:14.36 | malkom322__ | I manage to fix this problem tomorrow there will be another really crazy |
| 00:14.56 | noahmg123 | inSync: what do you mean by online? |
| 00:15.02 | inSync | mounted |
| 00:16.09 | inSync | are you using LVM? |
| 00:16.23 | noahmg123 | I'm not using LVM |
| 00:16.31 | allizom | malkom322__: do you have /lib/firmware/ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw ? and see output ot "lsusb -t" |
| 00:16.38 | inSync | so it will be easyer, less hassle |
| 00:16.50 | noahmg123 | And I'm sorry. By "online" I thought you meant connected to the internet n |
| 00:16.56 | noahmg123 | Internet* |
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| 00:17.09 | inSync | lol |
| 00:17.37 | malkom322__ | I've htc_7010-1.4.0.fw htc_9271-1.4.0.fw |
| 00:18.05 | malkom322__ | http://paste.debian.net/996464/ |
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| 00:18.57 | mxh- | d9867eb: Oh. Some firmware is only ever released as proprietary blobs and unless someone reverse engineers them it stays that way. Seems to be the case with the model you linked. |
| 00:19.28 | allizom | these dongles require usb_modeswitch to use the correct mode/driver. But it seems it's been loaded correctly. What do you use to manage network malkom322__? |
| 00:20.13 | Brigo | malkom322__, where do you have those htc_7010-1.4.0.fw htc_9271-1.4.0.fw? |
| 00:20.49 | mxh- | d9867eb: It happens. I have to use proprietery drivers for my laptop's networking. |
| 00:20.59 | d9867eb | mxh-: then please give me a example of a network card that has a fully driver? |
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| 00:22.58 | d9867eb | fully free driver? |
| 00:23.11 | d9867eb | . |
| 00:23.25 | themill | d9867eb: "freedom" is not the absence of a requirement for firmware. Cards that don't need firmware loaded from userspace just have the same sort of non-free firmware baked onto the chips themselves |
| 00:24.36 | d9867eb | themill: so there is no hope? |
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| 00:24.49 | Brigo | themill, them my Qualcomm Atheros AR9227 Wireless Network Adapter with eth9 driver is not free? |
| 00:25.12 | malkom322 | I've been lured into installing an OS that it's unusable |
| 00:25.59 | themill | malkom322: you're yet to provide useful information despite repeated requests |
| 00:26.01 | mxh- | d9867eb: This is the only way i know to go fully free https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/ And that's an outdated modified thinkpad. |
| 00:26.13 | malkom322 | themil I provided all the information |
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| 00:26.38 | themill | malkom322: "an icon keeps spinning" isn't helpful. What icon? How are you configuring it? |
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| 00:26.46 | mxh- | d9867eb: Most of us just do what we can. :) |
| 00:26.54 | themill | pretend we can't see your screen and try explaining things |
| 00:27.01 | malkom322 | themill my laptop battery is over too, I didn't manage to do anything I installed the firmware and the dongle can't connect to the wifi network omg |
| 00:27.49 | mxh- | malkom322: Please learn some question asking etiquette, you have real people here spending there time to help you for no personal gain. |
| 00:27.53 | malkom322 | themill are we serious or not? the applet you've got in gnome so called network-manager can't connect to an open network using my tl-wn722n version 1 |
| 00:28.02 | allizom | malkom322: in my experience it is perfectly usable. can you scan for nearby SSIDs? |
| 00:28.23 | malkom322 | allizon there's just one |
| 00:28.28 | themill | malkom322: first time you mentioned network-manager... |
| 00:28.56 | malkom322 | it's the only thing you use to connect to wifi in both GNOME and all gtk related DE |
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| 00:29.13 | themill | first time you've mentioned gnome too... |
| 00:29.17 | allizom | malkom322: so is the scan succesful? |
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| 00:29.31 | malkom322 | the network is showed, however it doesn't connect |
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| 00:29.37 | malkom322 | the internal chipset can |
| 00:29.56 | malkom322 | I think ther'es no solution here |
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| 00:30.28 | malkom322 | I'll open a bug or something like that and fill it up |
| 00:30.31 | themill | malkom322: there won't be without information -- you were asked for logs earlier |
| 00:30.39 | themill | please don't open a useless bug report |
| 00:30.44 | malkom322 | dmesg |
| 00:31.06 | themill | Brigo: it's inconceivable that it doesn't have some sort of firmware on the card. That may or may not have source available. |
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| 00:32.15 | themill | Brigo: (that's the "no firmware from userspace required" card, isn't it?) |
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| 00:32.59 | allizom | malkom322: we don't know anything about the network you're connecting to. Have you configured it correctly? Can you connect to any network at all with the usb dongle? |
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| 01:17.08 | Brigo | themill, no, it not need firmware so i think it didn't have it at all. :-/ |
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| 01:33.11 | malkom322 | you're a bunch of idiots, I solved the problem. I used Windows to look up on the internet and found these two solution solved my problem https://askubuntu.com/questions/904698/tp-link-tl-wn722n-cant-connect-on-17-04 and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=130914 |
| 01:33.26 | malkom322 | So it's not Debian community who fixed my problem but Microsoft and Google |
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| 01:34.40 | petn-randall | malkom322: Try to be more constructive in here. If you continue to be abusive like that, you will be banned from this channel. |
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| 01:40.31 | rebeca_ | https://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 01:40.37 | rebeca_ | hi, can someone help me? I am looking for setting up rt Best Practical on debian, it is already installed but I just can get to access to the web server |
| 01:40.54 | rebeca_ | ifconfig |
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| 01:41.36 | awal1 | malkom322, your comment is so stupid. https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 01:42.17 | Sveta | rebeca_: how did you install it? what error messages do you see? |
| 01:42.36 | annadane | awal1, don't encourage the flame war |
| 01:42.48 | petn-randall | awal1: Don't feed the troll, malkom322 has been +q. |
| 01:42.49 | rebeca_ | when I access to the virtual machine ip address |
| 01:43.00 | rebeca_ | I see the debian default page3 |
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| 01:43.09 | rebeca_ | the apache2 debian defaul page |
| 01:43.41 | rebeca_ | but when I put /rt I see a not found message |
| 01:43.55 | petn-randall | rebeca_: Have you tried following the installation instructions? |
| 01:44.02 | rebeca_ | yes |
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| 01:44.29 | rebeca_ | I follow this video instructions, I did´t found anything else |
| 01:44.33 | rebeca_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVtxDbCxphQ |
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| 01:44.59 | rebeca_ | I am already at the end but I think the error is when I try to add the include line on the apache file |
| 01:46.01 | petn-randall | rebeca_: What steps did you take until now? |
| 01:46.56 | rebeca_ | I updated debian, installed apache, mysql and rt |
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| 01:47.56 | RedSoxFan07 | rebeca_: What's rt? |
| 01:48.01 | rebeca_ | I need to configure cat apache2-modperl12.conf and there is when I think the problem is |
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| 01:48.28 | rebeca_ | reques tracker |
| 01:48.44 | rebeca_ | request tracket, it is a ticketing system |
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| 01:49.41 | RedSoxFan07 | rebeca_: thanks |
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| 01:49.49 | rant | is there a simple way to forward port something from archives? I want to build a gqview package for armhf to try out and see how the performance compares to the modern geeqie package |
| 01:50.15 | rebeca_ | welcome |
| 01:50.23 | rant | I'm not sure what release gqview was even last on.. but its so old its only on archives now |
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| 01:51.23 | rant | all I know is geeqie is acting like I got an all it can eat ram buffet going on or something :P |
| 01:52.59 | rant | it just keeps eating up memory until I run out of swap and its ridiculous |
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| 01:53.06 | RedSoxFan07 | rant: Not releasing memory finished with it? |
| 01:53.17 | RedSoxFan07 | *when it's |
| 01:53.23 | rant | not until I close the program |
| 01:53.35 | petn-randall | rebeca_: Did you install the Debian package from the archives, or via tarball from their website? |
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| 01:53.57 | rant | RedSoxFan07: which means its probably a bug but I wanna go back to gqview first and see how that works |
| 01:54.06 | rebeca_ | It was from repositories on the termianal |
| 01:54.27 | rant | I guess I'll just grab the source manually from archives then |
| 01:54.43 | rebeca_ | I downloaded rt-4.4.2.tar but I don´t know what to do with it |
| 01:55.47 | rant | its not only on armhf its doing it.. its doing it on i686 as well both systems are currently jessie though so idk maybe I'll try a backport as well but really I never liked the switch to geeqie anyhow.. gqview was fine with me :P |
| 01:55.53 | petn-randall | rebeca_: /usr/share/doc/request-tracker4/README.Debian.gz should have instruction on how to set it up. |
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| 01:56.13 | rebeca_ | thank you |
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| 02:10.22 | _ppp | i have a vm runing debian32bit , i did shut it down, increased rma size from 4gb to 32gb and now it is not booting, i reach grub window and then afterwards i get a black screen only any ideaS? |
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| 02:11.39 | t0no6a | _ppp : 32bit systems do nothandle more than 2G of RAM |
| 02:11.41 | _ppp | https://i.imgur.com/Gk2BAX1.png |
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| 02:12.02 | TheDrode | good night, i´m trying to build android in my computer but i keep getting this error msg: cc1: error: -werror=date-time: no option -wdate-time |
| 02:12.09 | RedSoxFan07 | t0no6a: 4 gigs |
| 02:12.11 | _ppp | t0no6a, are ypu sure? |
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| 02:12.35 | TheDrode | is there a way to pass to gcc the parameter -Wno-date-time so i don´t have to manually edit every makefile? |
| 02:12.43 | _ppp | i reduced it to 512mb now it doesnt boot yet |
| 02:13.23 | _ppp | anyone please? |
| 02:13.23 | t0no6a | _ppp : don't bealive me, bealive the pros https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8869563/how-much-memory-can-be-accessed-by-a-32-bit-machine |
| 02:13.35 | _ppp | t0no6a, i did move it to 512mb now |
| 02:13.38 | _ppp | but it still hangs |
| 02:13.40 | _ppp | https://i.imgur.com/Gk2BAX1.png |
| 02:13.46 | _ppp | after grub |
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| 02:14.26 | t0no6a | believe , sorry |
| 02:14.46 | _ppp | sorry? |
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| 02:19.23 | t0no6a | _ppp : you made any backups of your vm's ? |
| 02:20.13 | _ppp | only configuration not data |
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| 02:21.05 | mrr0butt | hey how do i get readelf for crosscomp. i686 on debian stretch amd64 |
| 02:21.18 | t0no6a | _ppp : you use virtualbox, kvm, qemu...? |
| 02:21.51 | _ppp | t0no6a, virtualbox |
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| 02:22.53 | t0no6a | _ppp : well, if you backup your vm's just use it |
| 02:23.12 | t0no6a | _ppp : the backupÅ I mean |
| 02:23.18 | _ppp | any other alternative? i need the data |
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| 02:25.51 | t0no6a | _ppp : create a new vm whit a new disk,use a live-iso,attach an usb,attach the vdi ,and move the data to usb |
| 02:25.54 | tw | mrr0butt: I think there's a crossbuild-essential-<arch> package with binutils as a dep. |
| 02:26.04 | tw | mrr0butt: might want to look there. |
| 02:27.02 | t0no6a | sorry for my English |
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| 02:29.57 | rant | apt-get -b source geeqie returned "E: Can not find version '1:1.2-3' of package 'geeqie' \ E: Unable to find a source package for geeqie" my only deb-src line is for sid and the sid version of geeqie is 1.3-1+b1, same as stretch, the error shows the jessie version number o.O |
| 02:30.28 | rant | not sure why this occured |
| 02:30.35 | _ppp | t0no6a, is there a risk of corrupting the vmdk when attaching to another host? |
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| 02:31.31 | t0no6a | _ppp : no, the vm reads the vdi like an external disk |
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| 02:32.07 | petn-randall | rant: Did you run "apt-get update" before? |
| 02:33.07 | rant | not the first time, but obviously I did after I got the error :P |
| 02:33.15 | _ppp | t0no6a, it mounts it automatically? |
| 02:33.17 | rant | with no change in result |
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| 02:34.00 | rant | I'd already done ssb on this machine before so its not like the cache was missing, I just thought maybe it was stale |
| 02:34.01 | petn-randall | rant: Does it work without -b? |
| 02:34.21 | t0no6a | _ppp : yes, just try it |
| 02:34.39 | _ppp | coz both disks of the vm have / |
| 02:34.42 | _ppp | and filesystems |
| 02:34.48 | rant | petn-randall: nope, same errors. to -b or not to -b that is the question |
| 02:35.53 | t0no6a | _ppp : thats why you need a live iso. You do note install the distro, you just backup your data to an usb |
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| 02:37.06 | _ppp | t0no6a, debian 7 is old? |
| 02:37.15 | _ppp | or ok |
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| 02:38.23 | t0no6a | _ppp : wheezy always be my favorite |
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| 02:44.11 | rant | seems this geeqie memory leak is well documented on the BTS.. I'd rather forward-port an older one than backport a newer one.. there were no real significant feature changes in gqview/geeqie if anything it lost some functionality over the years |
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| 02:52.14 | _ppp | t0no6a, 7 is weezy? |
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| 02:53.27 | steelcowboy | Hello, I'm having some trouble figuring out how to accomplish packaging xen-tools into a deb |
| 02:54.20 | t0no6a | _ppp : yes, 8 was jessie and current is stretch. Debian 9 will be buster |
| 02:54.28 | steelcowboy | It seems when it built it made a sort of fakeroot of its own. So I have all the files I want to install where I want them in the corresponding directory, so now I just want to put it into a deb package |
| 02:54.35 | steelcowboy | What's the easiest way to do this? |
| 02:56.15 | petn-randall | steelcowboy: Why not use the already packaged xen tools in Debian? |
| 02:56.57 | steelcowboy | I just built xen-tools from source because I needed a feature that isn't available in the ones in the repo |
| 02:57.06 | steelcowboy | Well, I build xen and xen tools |
| 02:57.43 | Sveta | steelcowboy: what was your starting point? was it `apt-get source <package name>`? |
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| 02:58.31 | steelcowboy | Nope, I get cloned the repo and ran make |
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| 03:01.27 | petn-randall | steelcowboy: Then it's probably better to use other tools, packaging that properly will take a day or two. |
| 03:01.29 | _ppp | t0no6a, any idea how to fix the current debian machine? |
| 03:01.30 | petn-randall | !stow |
| 03:01.30 | dpkg | stow is probably a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>, <checkinstall>. |
| 03:01.36 | _ppp | it is hanging after the grub loader |
| 03:01.41 | petn-randall | !usrlocal |
| 03:01.42 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
| 03:01.47 | _ppp | with a flash dot |
| 03:01.56 | petn-randall | steelcowboy: See above ^^^. You could use stow for that. |
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| 03:05.07 | steelcowboy | Got it, I'll look into stow. Thank you! |
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| 03:34.13 | steelcowboy | So I tried stow, but the problem is all of the files already exist so it refuses to make any symlinks |
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| 03:35.25 | steelcowboy | The cleanest way, I think, is just to deb package everything. So starting from the begining... I want to build and package xen 4.9 that has some patches and whatnot not yet upstreamed |
| 03:35.37 | steelcowboy | What is my best approach going to be? |
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| 04:29.27 | Sveta | steelcowboy: packaging provides you with two advantages |
| 04:29.38 | Sveta | steelcowboy: one, the stuff goes to the same dirs etc as it does for other packages |
| 04:30.12 | Sveta | steelcowboy: two, if you upload your packages somewhere in a way that others can add them to their sources.list, other people who need the same features won't need to compile this stuff by hand |
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| 04:30.46 | Sveta | steelcowboy: depending on whether you need these advantages or not, packaging may or may not be useful |
| 04:31.26 | Sveta | steelcowboy: (thirdly, if you package it, you can add it to debian itself - with the same or a different package name depending on context) |
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| 05:18.29 | kingsley | How do you find out from the command line which Debian source package contains certain keywords? |
| 05:19.17 | themill | what do you mean by "source package contains certain keywords"? |
| 05:21.10 | themill | Do you mean grepping through all files in source packages? |
| 05:21.31 | Rusty1_ | perhaps apt search <keyword> is all that will be required |
| 05:21.47 | themill | that doesn't look at source packages |
| 05:21.54 | kingsley | I'd like to write a shell script that uses command line tools like grep and sed to extract key words from valgrind's output after running a buggy program, and searchs Debian's source code to find suspect packages. |
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| 05:22.24 | themill | is it going to give you filenames or strings within filenames? |
| 05:22.31 | themill | *within files |
| 05:22.46 | kingsley | For example, I'd like to convert the key words... |
| 05:22.49 | kingsley | consumer_thread consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:22.56 | kingsley | to the package name |
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| 05:23.49 | kingsley | melt. |
| 05:24.13 | themill | That looks like a filename not a string within a file; apt-file can map filenames to source packages |
| 05:25.47 | themill | I would expect the output to tell you which binary file hence binary package was involved too |
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| 05:26.25 | CyberManifest | not sure if I'm in the right channel or not, but I'm looking for a 32 bit .deb of atom the IDE/text editor, I'm using Debian Jessie with Raspberry Pi Desktop from: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspberry-pi-desktop/ and 32 bit image is all they provide, so I need a 32 bit atom, anyways, I tried #atom and there hasn't been ANY responses for hours; seems like a ghost town but with 128 people. :/ |
| 05:26.51 | kingsley | Rusty1_ and themill apt and apt-file search seem like reasonable suggestions to me. I actually tried them with my |
| 05:26.54 | kingsley | consumer_thread consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:27.01 | kingsley | key word example above. |
| 05:27.13 | kingsley | Unfortunately, at least for me, no luck. |
| 05:27.34 | themill | kingsley: what precisely did you try? |
| 05:27.50 | kingsley | themill: I tried... |
| 05:28.18 | kingsley | # apt-file search consumer_thread consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:28.24 | kingsley | # apt-file search consumer_thread AND consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:28.25 | kingsley | and |
| 05:28.42 | kingsley | # apt-file search consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:28.57 | Sveta | don't think you need to run apt-file as root? |
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| 05:30.07 | kingsley | Sveta: At least for me, "apt-file search consumer_avformat.c" failed when run as root too. |
| 05:30.56 | themill | kingsley: apt-file doesn't search source packages unless you ask it to |
| 05:31.18 | kingsley | I hoped surfraw's debcodesearch elvi would work, but it returned '301 Moved Permanently". |
| 05:34.11 | kingsley | themill: I'd love to see a working example. |
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| 05:38.50 | themill | kingsley: «apt-file search --index-names dsc consumer_avformat.c» but this will be much easier if you go via the binary file that this symbol is in rather than the source file. That information is more easily available and is less ambiguous because you'll absolute paths rather than just a filename |
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| 05:40.48 | kingsley | themill: Does... |
| 05:40.52 | kingsley | $ apt-file search --index-names dsc consumer_avformat.c |
| 05:40.59 | kingsley | actually work for you? |
| 05:41.02 | themill | yes |
| 05:41.03 | kingsley | It returns... |
| 05:41.14 | kingsley | E: No Contents in the cache with the given restrictions |
| 05:41.16 | themill | takes away kingsley's enter key |
| 05:41.17 | kingsley | for me |
| 05:42.58 | nic_ | dumb ass question, is it fairly easy to change marco to compiz? |
| 05:44.06 | themill | kingsley: I assume you've told apt-file that you want it to fetch the Contents files for sources? |
| 05:44.34 | themill | (that being what --index-names in the man page tells you is needed) |
| 05:46.49 | kingofthe1liner | themill: I just copied and pasted your suggestion: apt-file search --index-names dsc consumer_avformat.c |
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| 06:09.57 | kingofthe1liner | themill: Maybe the solution is something like ... export f=opt.c ; lynx -dump 'https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q='$f | egrep "$f" | egrep '\[[0-9]+\]' | sed 's/^.*\]//' | sed 's/\/.*//' | sort -u |
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| 06:10.38 | themill | If you're only searching source package filenames, you don't need that |
| 06:12.15 | themill | (and I still think you should be going via the binary name... you don't want to know how many hits you'll get for test.c |
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| 06:18.59 | kingofthe1liner | themill: If you happen to know if valgrind can report binary names, happen to have the time, and are so inclined, feel free to tell me how. |
| 06:19.27 | kingofthe1liner | valgrind gives me lines like ... ==27736== by 0x48B7011: pool_fetch (mlt_pool.c:137) |
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| 06:27.54 | themill | kingofthe1liner: I have a recollection of a log format control that included it, but at the very least you could use --fullpath-after which gives you the full source path not just the filename. Then you can hit apt-file with more certainty. I don't think hammering on codesearch.d.n is a good idea |
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| 06:35.06 | kingofthe1liner | themill: I read valgrind's man page's section on --fullpath-after. It seems to me to be a reasonable suggestion. I'm re-running valgrind with it now. Thanks. |
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| 06:50.56 | steelcowboy | If I'm trying to take a group of directories that correspond with the real filesystem (i.e. I have boot, etc, and usr, and I want files under them to match what's on my FS) and turn them into a debian package, I'm under the impression that I just need a DEBIAN folder correct? |
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| 06:53.38 | kingofthe1liner | steelcowboy: I find myself wondering if you're using debian's packaging tools. |
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| 06:55.44 | steelcowboy | kingofthe1liner: I'm trying to. What I did is compiled my package. It generated more or less a fake root -- everything inside of a deb package minus the DEBIAN directory |
| 06:55.59 | steelcowboy | So I have dist/install/{boot,etc,usr} |
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| 06:56.35 | steelcowboy | Pretty sure I can make that into a deb package as is by adding a DEBIAN directory and "repacking" it |
| 06:56.52 | steelcowboy | Do I need to do this manually, or is there some helper (i.e. could dh-make do this?) |
| 06:58.21 | themill | if you've actually built a source package, then you're not touching DEBIAN at all. |
| 06:58.55 | steelcowboy | Is "source" in this case implying it's not compiled, or it's the "source" of the deb package? |
| 06:59.04 | steelcowboy | This is all pre-compiled |
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| 07:00.06 | themill | source package is a thing |
| 07:00.22 | steelcowboy | Source package is not compiled, correct? |
| 07:00.27 | steelcowboy | This is compiled code |
| 07:00.37 | themill | incorrect. Source packages make binary packages |
| 07:01.07 | themill | (normally this is by compiling and then putting files in the right place but not necessarily) |
| 07:01.39 | themill | !source package |
| 07:01.39 | dpkg | A source package is a set of files used to make a Debian binary <package>. The main file is the Debian source control file (<dsc>) which lists the other required files; use "dget http://.../foo.dsc" (see <devscripts>) to download the dsc and all referenced files. There is also a <tarball> and (usually) patches in <diff.gz> or <debsrc3.0> format. The dsc contains checksums and is cryptographically signed by the uploader. <policy> <nmg> |
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| 07:03.18 | steelcowboy | So after running make in this project folder, it created dist/install/{boot,etc,usr}. Within usr there are libraries and compiled binaries that I'd eventually like to have installed. Etc has some configuration files and the normal stuff |
| 07:03.31 | steelcowboy | Are you saying I should turn this into a source package first? |
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| 07:06.14 | anonnumberanon | How to know what an apt package will become after it upgrades? Don't want to switch to the bad Firefox so wanna make sure the firefox-esr that is ready right now will not do that. |
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| 07:11.25 | steelcowboy | themill: What I'm trying to say (and sorry if I'm not expressing it clearly) is that a deb package seems to have a DEBIAN folder and then what files it wants installed (e.g. an etc directory with configs, a usr folder with binaries/libraries, and so forth) |
| 07:12.06 | steelcowboy | When I ran "make", it made the latter -- I have in my dist/install, everything in a deb package sans the DEBIAN folder |
| 07:12.45 | steelcowboy | If I used this make system to make install, it would look in dist/install/etc and put everything there in the etc folder, same for usr, and so on |
| 07:13.13 | steelcowboy | If I had a DEBIAN folder the dist/install would be equivalent to an unpacked debian package |
| 07:13.25 | steelcowboy | So, should I create the DEBIAN folder by hand or is there something that can help me? |
| 07:14.27 | themill | steelcowboy: if you're even contemplating that then you're doing it all wrong. Reading the new maintainer's guide about how to build debian packages would be the starting point, and when it talks about "compiling and installing" the software, just read it as "moving the files to the right locations" |
| 07:15.07 | themill | anonnumberanon: which release of Debian is this? |
| 07:15.47 | anonnumberanon | themill, stable, Stretch |
| 07:16.21 | themill | anonnumberanon: a new firefox won't land in there until the next ESR is released |
| 07:16.39 | anonnumberanon | Firefox 52.4.0 right now |
| 07:16.41 | themill | (March or April iirc) |
| 07:17.13 | anonnumberanon | when will the latest Windows Firefox be released if ever? that's the one I will avoid |
| 07:18.27 | anonnumberanon | Firefox Quantum |
| 07:18.34 | themill | I have no idea what Windows Firefox is and how that relates to Debian. What I can tell you is that the version of firefox in stretch is not going to change until a security update forces that in March or April |
| 07:18.37 | anonnumberanon | or v 57 iirc |
| 07:19.05 | themill | ahh, so that's a few months away and by then your extensions will be ported or replaced |
| 07:19.22 | themill | and when it does hit stable-security, you will want it. |
| 07:23.14 | kingofthe1liner | themill: Running valgrind with --fullpath-after often reported a path containing the package name, or a close variant of it. So it saved me time. Thank you. |
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| 07:27.49 | anonnumberanon | thanks for that good info |
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| 07:39.36 | steelcowboy | themill: Admittedly I'm not trying to create something that's particularly reusable -- I just want to install the result of my compilation and be done |
| 07:40.42 | themill | Considering that packaging work is pretty much the definition of reusability and everything in computing is iterative, I don't believe a word of that. |
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| 07:51.21 | steelcowboy | themill: Are you telling me I cannot create a DEBIAN folder within the install folder and create a package out of it? |
| 07:52.27 | steelcowboy | The thing is I'm not sure if this will even work entirely, so I'd like to take my compiled code and test it in a package before I try to make it reusable? |
| 07:52.43 | steelcowboy | s/?/. |
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| 08:10.53 | _ppp | how much disk space should i leave to a swap file on a 32GB ram? 16GB RAM? |
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| 08:15.00 | _ppp | ? |
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| 08:21.20 | themill | steelcowboy: that is not how packaging is normally done, no. |
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| 08:22.31 | _ppp | themill, help |
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| 08:25.22 | archiebald | hello: it's not entirely debian related but someone might know the answer to this: I want to clone the content of an old 250G HDD to a 500G SSD. I hear that from big to small, it's a proble, from and to same sizes drive, it's great, what about from small to big, will I lose free space on the bigger one if I clone ? thanks |
| 08:25.55 | archiebald | obviously, it's my main drive with debian partitions on it that I wish to, with everything else, clone on a new drive |
| 08:26.01 | themill | _ppp: depends on what you're going to do. If it's a laptop and you want to hibernate, it needs to be > 32GB. If you only ever run links2 and mutt, 0. |
| 08:26.09 | archiebald | in addition with the dual boot |
| 08:28.30 | _ppp | themill, its a server headless |
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| 08:53.07 | _ppp | themill, https://pastebin.com/hzjRTXhE looks like a good apt list? |
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| 09:37.11 | anonnumberanon | Not sure what sound infrastructure I'm using but it's vanilla Debian Stretch. |
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| 10:42.09 | stalker | hola |
| 10:42.21 | stalker | alguien en español? |
| 10:42.38 | bazhang | !es |
| 10:42.38 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 10:42.47 | bazhang | stalker, ^ |
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| 10:51.01 | teraflops | stalker: 500 million people more or less :P |
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| 10:57.37 | stalker | you are right |
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| 11:21.27 | tete_ | hi, i am facing a problem when upgrading from 8.9 to stretch. i followed this guide: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch - the error i receive happened after apt-get dist-upgrade https://pastebin.com/pHbgTjYC |
| 11:21.29 | tete_ | can someone help me? |
| 11:22.15 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 11:22.15 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:22.19 | petn-randall | !localized errors |
| 11:22.20 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 11:22.57 | petn-randall | tete_: Can you provide the info from the factoid in a single paste? You can also use "LC_ALL=C" to make all message english for us. |
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| 11:25.31 | tete_ | http://paste.debian.net/996499/ |
| 11:25.44 | tete_ | hope thats correct now |
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| 11:26.44 | tete_ | guess i am facing this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/259056/update-initramfs-failing-after-upgrading-to-stretch-from-jessie |
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| 11:27.49 | Guest28562 | hello |
| 11:28.41 | petn-randall | tete_: Is anything special about your /var/tmp/? I'd imagine it to reproducibly fail for everyone if it works like described in that link. |
| 11:29.28 | tete_ | i have a dropbear instance for early sshd, my root device is encrypted and i connect, after a reboot, with ssh to the dropbear instance |
| 11:30.13 | tete_ | so i can connect, enter the encryption password (so it can boot) and disconnect - my provider also offers VNC connections but since VNC is not connected, i used sshd |
| 11:30.25 | tete_ | -not connected +not encrypted |
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| 11:33.49 | tete_ | that really made it - but now i get another message: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (3 vs 10). Affected packages: initramfs-tools:amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64:amd64 |
| 11:34.09 | tete_ | i just entered again: apt-get dist-upgrade, it made that 3 packages and printed that message |
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| 11:36.13 | SerkanDevel[m] | When will stable firefox be available to debian stretch from the default repos? |
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| 11:40.37 | petn-randall | SerkanDevel[m]: Only the ESR one, that's already there. firefox 57 is unlikely to hit stretch-backports due to depending on rust, which isn't available in stable. |
| 11:41.35 | petn-randall | tete_: I have the same setup, but didn't have an upgrade problem. You might need to temporarily remove any obsolete packages first, I hazily remember that something changed with dropbear. |
| 11:42.12 | tete_ | its not a problem of dropbear i think. its a problem with initramfs and linux-image imo |
| 11:42.18 | petn-randall | tete_: Oh right, there's now dropbear-initramfs that makes that setup work out of the box. |
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| 11:42.25 | SerkanDevel[m] | When will the rust packages be released to stable? |
| 11:42.41 | petn-randall | SerkanDevel[m]: In about two years when the next stable releases. |
| 11:42.44 | tete_ | hm ok can you help me fixing this? i am a bit lost :) |
| 11:43.10 | tete_ | dropbear-initramfs is already installed |
| 11:43.30 | petn-randall | tete_: dropbear is put into the initramfs, so it's a part of the build process. Unfortunately I have to go now, so I can't help you debug it. But if nobody else jumps in, I'm back in a few hours. |
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| 11:43.35 | petn-randall | waves. |
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| 11:48.14 | SerkanDevel[m] | Is there a way to only retrieve firefox from unstable, while keeping everything else stable? |
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| 11:53.33 | matrix_architect | SerkanDevel[m], instead download it from official mozilla ftp |
| 11:53.41 | matrix_architect | it works fine |
| 11:53.50 | matrix_architect | and updated by itself |
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| 12:36.24 | tete_ | rebooted, everything seems to work, thanks petn-randall |
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| 12:38.27 | Nitrogen | Greetings. I am trying to download all images of a Wikimedia Commons Category using wimgs: https://github.com/abartov/wimgs |
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| 12:38.50 | Nitrogen | But when I run the command, the following error shows up: https://paste.debian.net/996507/ |
| 12:39.06 | Nitrogen | How can I fix that? |
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| 12:55.06 | jim | you need a rubygem |
| 12:55.41 | jim | looks like it's called mediawiki_api |
| 12:56.12 | jim | there's a #ruby channel around here somewhere |
| 12:56.28 | jim | probably find some more info there |
| 12:56.46 | jim | or here, if someone knows the specifics |
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| 12:59.27 | Nitrogen | jim: Went there, tried to intsall the api, this came out: https://paste.debian.net/996511/ |
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| 13:21.02 | jim | -maybe- you need to do it as root... but, that's like running a "make install" as root... you might want to package it and install the package (dunno how ruby does that) |
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| 13:58.39 | Nitrogen | Hi. When I try to run tesseract, it says "Error opening data file /usr/share/tesseract-ocr/tessdata/deu-frak.traineddata ; Please make sure the TESSDATA_PREFIX environment variable is set to the parent directory of your "tessdata" directory.". How do I do that? |
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| 13:59.54 | CrazyTux | I am not able to resume after suspending on Debian 9 xfce. What could be the reason? |
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| 14:01.18 | mtn | CrazyTux: could be the video driver |
| 14:02.02 | CrazyTux | but on other DEs I am using I don't have such a problem. I am using Cinnamon and KDE Plasma also on Debian 9. |
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| 14:02.41 | mtn | CrazyTux: so you are saying it works fine in cinnamon and kde, while running the same os? |
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| 14:02.56 | CrazyTux | mtn, yes. Exactly. |
| 14:03.19 | mtn | CrazyTux: sorry, no idea |
| 14:03.30 | CrazyTux | mtn, I have Debian 9.2 xfce installed. And Cinnamon and Plasma on top of that. |
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| 14:07.49 | CrazyTux | btw, are Debian and Ubuntu mostly same? |
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| 14:08.29 | mtn | CrazyTux: some similarities, but not really the same, no. |
| 14:08.39 | matrix_architect | debian is more stable |
| 14:09.22 | CrazyTux | matrix_architect, I have not been able to understand properly what stable means. |
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| 14:09.52 | matrix_architect | it means less headache, convenience |
| 14:10.49 | mtn | CrazyTux: mostly it means less changing, which leads to fewer problems |
| 14:10.56 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 14:11.22 | CrazyTux | how can I install adobe flash plugin on Debian 9? |
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| 14:12.18 | mtn | CrazyTux: have you looked at the debian wiki? many questions answered there ;) |
| 14:14.29 | CrazyTux | mtn, I will try that. |
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| 14:19.28 | CrazyTux | please look into that bug. Unable to resume after suspending on Debian 9.2 xfce. |
| 14:20.00 | mtn | CrazyTux: did you find or make a bug report? |
| 14:20.43 | CrazyTux | I tried to look for a solution. But, didn't get a satisfactory one. |
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| 14:55.52 | hanasaki | is there a list of debian 9.x versions and what kernel is in each for the ISO installer? |
| 14:56.59 | n4dir | i would assume that a) there are no different versions of debian 9 and that b) they all contain the same kernel |
| 14:58.38 | hanasaki | n4dir: well for example 9.2.1 iso is dated 10/13... last month. |
| 14:59.47 | n4dir | in the meantime there have been called-whatever upgrades of debian 9, so that is what you will get right now |
| 15:00.05 | n4dir | perhaps point release. |
| 15:01.16 | n4dir | might be i oversee something, but to me it looks like that. |
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| 15:02.43 | n4dir | that is: i don't think it is still possible to get the elder installation isos. Or better: i would not know where. |
| 15:02.52 | hanasaki | ok thanks. |
| 15:03.11 | n4dir | perhaps ask again, or wait, i am not that informed in the question. |
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| 15:03.22 | hanasaki | any one have thoughts as to why current debian won't boot on an appolo lkae box I have however libelectric does? hangs on grub |
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| 16:40.54 | astronavt | in the installer, when creating an encrypted partition, is there any practical reason NOT to skip wiping the drive OTHER THAN "leaking metadata" |
| 16:41.09 | astronavt | there is no metadata on the drive to leak. it is already full of zeros and garbage data |
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| 16:41.38 | astronavt | i have read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722898 and https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman but there's no indication of what "slightly worse encryption" means in the installer |
| 16:41.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/722898 in partman-crypto (closed, d-i, confirmed, patch): «partman-crypto: Make "Erasing data" step optional. blockdev-wipe is too slow.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-09-14; last modified: 2013-11-29. |
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| 16:42.35 | astronavt | and then people will wonder what "a slight reduction of the quality of the |
| 16:42.36 | astronavt | encryption" really means... Sadly I have no idea how to express this better. |
| 16:42.41 | astronavt | that's right from the email thread..... |
| 16:42.42 | astronavt | *sigh* |
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| 17:11.29 | petn-randall | OS-316600: You might want to change that password. |
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| 17:16.33 | Roger9 | What the... mate-settings-daemon was using 2.9 GiB of my 3.3 GiB available RAM, and the computer was using tons of swap... I ended up killing the process, which seems to have restarted it, and it's back to normal. But why did that happen? |
| 17:17.33 | Roger9 | And now it's using 1.5 GiB, and seems to be going up without bound. |
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| 17:22.12 | Roger9 | I've restarted the computer. |
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| 17:27.56 | t0no6a | if I can't play any major game title on Linux , is there any REAL future for linux gaming? Or it's just a pose, a pipe dream like linux distros dominating the desktop or 100% linux phones? |
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| 17:35.21 | petn-randall | t0no6a: steamOS is Linux, though I don't know how widespread those machines are. |
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| 17:38.38 | jhutchins | !steam |
| 17:38.38 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 17:39.46 | jhutchins | t0no6a: There's plenty of gaming on Linux. Just because you're missing one title doesn't mean anything. Lots of titles aren't cross-platform. |
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| 17:55.16 | spacebug^ | I'm trying to setup a user and database in postgresql. How do I make it use a pssword? |
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| 17:56.52 | jhutchins | Man, firefox-esr burns a lot of cpu. |
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| 17:57.12 | jhutchins | !postgresql |
| 17:57.12 | dpkg | PostgreSQL is a robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of <SQL>. Supports views, stored procedures, triggers and scripting. Packaged in Debian, read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ("for the impatient"). http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql http://postgresql.org/ #postgresql on irc.freenode.net. See also <postgresql jessie>, <phppgadmin>, <pg readline>, <postgresql backports>. |
| 17:57.40 | jhutchins | spacebug^: What are you going to do with it? |
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| 17:59.30 | spacebug^ | jhutchins: trying to use it for a matrix homeserver (synapse) |
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| 18:03.45 | spacebug^ | this guide https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql told me to change a vaule from "peer" to "trust". Now every user account on the machine can access the database without a password? It does not ask for a password when connecting at least. Even though I have done a ALTER USER statement with password set |
| 18:04.06 | Megaf | Upgrading my servers from Wheezy to Stretch. Wish me luck |
| 18:04.13 | petn-randall | Megaf: don't. |
| 18:04.21 | jhutchins | spacebug^: The documentation should include how to set it up. Be sure to read the README listed above. |
| 18:04.29 | petn-randall | Megaf: You can't skip releases, you must go from wheezy to jessie to stretch. |
| 18:04.44 | petn-randall | Megaf: Anything else is unsupported and will break your system. |
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| 18:05.11 | Megaf | ok, too late for one of the servers. I have full backup of the system. If anything goes wrong I can revert |
| 18:05.37 | petn-randall | Megaf: I'd restore from backups and continue from there. |
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| 18:05.59 | petn-randall | Megaf: Even if it seems to work, there's a good chance it'll break more subtly in the long run. |
| 18:06.12 | Megaf | petn-randall: the only thing in this server is MySQL, still recommend to revert? |
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| 18:06.36 | petn-randall | Megaf: Sure, since you have working backups. |
| 18:06.56 | petn-randall | Assuming you mean "I have made mysql dumps before upgrading". |
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| 18:07.05 | Megaf | alright. Update aborted |
| 18:07.25 | Megaf | petn-randall: No, I have full system backup. A copy of the / prior changing anything on the system |
| 18:09.09 | f0ff | Hi, I have trouble removing packages with apt-get, it automatically aborts. |
| 18:09.23 | f0ff | I am on buster. |
| 18:10.19 | petn-randall | Megaf: Did you take a complete backup from the system while it was offline? Otherwise you don't have consistent backups, especially for the database. |
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| 18:10.47 | spacebug^ | thanks jhutchins |
| 18:10.55 | Megaf | petn-randall: of course |
| 18:11.26 | petn-randall | Megaf: Great, then carry on :). Gotta leave now, see you later. |
| 18:11.50 | Megaf | petn-randall: Everytime I change anything system wide, I shutdown the system first, make a full copy of the /, save it off site and then change the stuff |
| 18:11.59 | f0ff | Hmm seems to work now, i did a update.. :P |
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| 18:12.57 | Megaf | Alright, backup coming up |
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| 18:16.55 | mrig | Hello, what would be your advice concerning .deb packages that are not in the debian repo? |
| 18:16.59 | Megaf | petn-randall: server restored. So upgrade first to jessie, then stretch, right? |
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| 18:17.19 | Megaf | mrig: depends on whos behind your the .deb |
| 18:17.25 | Megaf | what software do you need? |
| 18:17.25 | mrig | If they are for comms software, such as zoom? |
| 18:17.53 | Megaf | so companies actually maintain a repo for their software. |
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| 18:18.09 | mrig | Megaf, I dont really need it, but a webinar that was previously made using only the web is requesting that I install it. |
| 18:18.17 | Megaf | virtualbox, chrome, opera, skype, vivaldi, virtualbox. All have Debian repos |
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| 18:20.31 | mrig | Megaf, zoom is similar to these I should imagine, just wondering about the nature of these programs if they have not been cleared by the debian developers, I suppose I could use a VM for the meetings, I am a little wary of these kinds of program. |
| 18:21.12 | rawruw | hi birds and humans and turtles and objects. The name of 'some' telnetd is "in.telnetd". its manpage is "in.telnetd", and in service config files it's named "in.telnetd". What's the in-part about? does it mean anythign special? |
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| 18:21.43 | petn-randall | Megaf: yes |
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| 18:26.41 | sillyslux | there's also in.tftpd, maybe somebody thought these were useful with inetd, hence gave them the in.* prefix? |
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| 18:27.34 | GTAXL | Anyway to get the whois program to use IPv4 instead of v6? PIR (.org) is blocking all my requests cuz the ipv6 range is banned cuz of throttling |
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| 18:28.12 | Dagger | GTAXL: /etc/hosts might be the easiest route |
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| 18:29.00 | GTAXL | yeah, but I just don't want the IP to change on me, I'm using this on a domain expiry check script |
| 18:29.11 | Megaf | mrig: If software is proprietary then is very unlikely that Debian will bundle them |
| 18:29.33 | Megaf | but anyway, maybe there's just not demand or requests for them |
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| 18:29.52 | Megaf | upgrade seems to be stuck here... Oh now... |
| 18:30.00 | Megaf | Got stuck in "[ ok ] Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld." |
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| 18:34.52 | Kobaz | $ terminator ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.95:/net/tenshu/Terminator2: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
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| 18:35.03 | Kobaz | basically I get that when using any DBUS-dependent app |
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| 18:35.23 | Kobaz | dbus is running: message+ 4204 0.0 0.0 46396 3204 ? Ss May30 0:24 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system |
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| 18:39.17 | rawruw | iirc, debian still use some kind of sysvinit-systemd hybrid since some packages haven't been "ported" to systemd yet? I've installed sysvinit (educational purposes) and can't tell if I originally had a hybrid (it is now some kind of hybrid after I installed sysvinit) |
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| 18:40.51 | Megaf | funny you mention that. I'm actually uninstall systemd from my servers soon after I upgrade them from Wheezy. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 18:41.13 | Kobaz | i'm not sure what you mean by hybrid, you basically have sysv or systemd |
| 18:41.25 | Kobaz | Megaf: me too, systemd is atrocious |
| 18:41.34 | Kobaz | *queue flame war* |
| 18:42.04 | Kobaz | i upgraded a box the other day and was trying to figure out why it was stuck waiting for dhcp to come up and i couldn't skip it |
| 18:42.10 | Kobaz | i'm like.... oh crap, i left systemd on |
| 18:42.15 | Megaf | Main reason being that my servers will simply not boot with systemd |
| 18:42.40 | Kobaz | yeah, one little hickup and you're stuck in a dependency loop, or things just run/wait forever |
| 18:42.51 | Megaf | And even if they did. I still like simplicity of normal init |
| 18:42.58 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:43.04 | Kobaz | if something's broke, you can fix it in about 30 seconds |
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| 18:43.13 | Megaf | precisely |
| 18:43.26 | Megaf | and without systemd things are less likely to break, IMHO |
| 18:43.30 | Kobaz | correct |
| 18:43.41 | mrig | Megaf, no quite, just annoyed that there is not a free version of the same :) |
| 18:43.55 | Kobaz | free version.. of what? |
| 18:44.06 | Kobaz | oh also... anyone know why my dbus is broken... speaking of fixing things |
| 18:44.15 | mrig | perhaps there is but people just push propriety software on you. |
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| 18:46.55 | Megaf | Kobaz: back in the day I would remove dbus from my system |
| 18:47.06 | Megaf | but now a days way too many things seems to depend on it |
| 18:47.17 | Kobaz | preaching to the quire of course, systemd is a solution to a problem that none of us had |
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| 18:48.00 | Megaf | like pulseaudio! |
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| 18:48.21 | Kobaz | pulse actually isn't half bad once you configure it right |
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| 18:48.38 | Megaf | we already had a fully functioning audio system with OSS |
| 18:48.44 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:48.57 | Kobaz | alsa was a nice step up with software mixing |
| 18:49.07 | Kobaz | but per-application control is pretty nice with pulse |
| 18:49.11 | Kobaz | and modules, like echo cancel |
| 18:49.12 | Megaf | I had many problems with ALSA |
| 18:49.19 | Megaf | So I had with Pulse too |
| 18:49.26 | Megaf | Only very recently Pulse is behaving better |
| 18:49.31 | Kobaz | i haven't had to think about audio since like, 2005 |
| 18:49.33 | Kobaz | it 'just works' |
| 18:49.36 | Kobaz | (for me) |
| 18:49.37 | Megaf | but here now and then something just decides to stop working |
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| 18:49.57 | Megaf | For instance, mic will not work now for some weird reason |
| 18:50.03 | Megaf | it just doesnt capture any sound |
| 18:50.24 | Kobaz | weird |
| 18:50.26 | Kobaz | what kernel? |
| 18:50.31 | Megaf | Anyway, ALSA, Pulse, Wayland, SystemD. All solution to problems I didn't have. |
| 18:50.51 | Kobaz | X works, but Wayland was a needed thing |
| 18:51.16 | Kobaz | it's just one of those things... you need to rewrite when it becomes insanity to maintain |
| 18:51.27 | Megaf | Wayland is annoying, every time I get IP wait or CPU is too busy the mouse will freeze momentarily |
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| 18:51.32 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:51.35 | Kobaz | it's still maturing |
| 18:51.48 | Megaf | with X mouse always work, the whole system gets stuck, but the cursor still moving, which is nice |
| 18:52.12 | Megaf | and wayland can't lock mouse cursor to a window, making gaming impossible |
| 18:52.25 | Megaf | so yeah, Wayland still has a long road to go |
| 18:53.00 | Megaf | Kobaz: and the kernel is the latest stable for Debian, 4.13 |
| 18:53.07 | tw | Can it lock the keyboard to an app and make key events unsniffable? |
| 18:53.11 | Megaf | Although I'm using Liquorix kernel now |
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| 18:54.06 | Kobaz | Megaf: bugs will happen, but the ecosystem/architecture is quite superior to X |
| 18:54.27 | Kobaz | everything will be using wayland within i would say 5 years or so |
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| 18:54.36 | Megaf | greed |
| 18:54.41 | Megaf | agreed |
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| 18:58.06 | tw | I'd be surprised if it made much headway on embedded. Most of those devices don't support GLES. |
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| 19:01.37 | rawruw | tw: you don't need to use GLES in wayland, but wayland makes it trivial to use. |
| 19:02.30 | rawruw | as far as I know it's just a bonus. |
| 19:02.40 | tw | That's convenient, I thought it was a build requirement. |
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| 19:03.43 | Megaf | oh boy, why did Debian decided to replace MySQL with MariaDB? |
| 19:04.01 | Megaf | This is causing having in my upgrade from Jessie to Stretch |
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| 19:04.15 | Megaf | This is causing havoc in my upgrade from Jessie to Stretch |
| 19:04.29 | Megaf | dpkg: error processing package mariadb-server-10.1 (--configure): |
| 19:04.29 | Megaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.29 | dpkg | megaf: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 19:04.45 | Megaf | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/s7N412tZ/ |
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| 19:05.26 | Megaf | dpkg: Can you speak? |
| 19:05.28 | Megaf | :S |
| 19:05.28 | dpkg | Megaf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 19:07.25 | Megaf | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4B9BAMSF/ |
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| 19:07.34 | Megaf | Can anyone please help me with that? ^ |
| 19:07.47 | Megaf | apt is failing to install mariadb |
| 19:08.12 | Megaf | I have servers down due to this, need to fix ASAP |
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| 19:08.37 | Megaf | For me I'd stay with the good old MySQL server, but that doesn't seem like an option in Debian |
| 19:08.44 | Megaf | Debian fucking up things as usual |
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| 19:09.02 | Kobaz | Megaf: test your upgrades on VMs first before production! |
| 19:09.23 | tw | what does the log say? |
| 19:09.24 | Megaf | consider done |
| 19:09.29 | Megaf | now help me fix that |
| 19:09.38 | Kobaz | so demanding... |
| 19:09.47 | Kobaz | my copy/paste is breaking |
| 19:09.58 | Kobaz | install mariadb-server-10.1 |
| 19:10.18 | tw | i mean the journalctl log for mariadb.service |
| 19:10.19 | JPT | I guess journalctl may reveal some more errors related to the post-install script that failed |
| 19:10.36 | JPT | Maybe check your dpkg.log, too |
| 19:10.37 | Kobaz | go into your cache directory and dpkg -i that directly, and figure out why that's not running |
| 19:10.40 | Megaf | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OB6sFIhR/ |
| 19:11.14 | Kobaz | you'll need to debug the postinst script |
| 19:11.17 | Kobaz | to see what's going on |
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| 19:12.04 | dff | during the installation, if i dont provide the root user with a password, root is disabled right? Will the next user created be listen in the sudoers file? |
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| 19:12.15 | Kobaz | start looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.1.postinst |
| 19:12.39 | dff | listed* |
| 19:13.15 | Kobaz | Megaf: use at your own risk.... you can do a quick exit 0 at the top of the post-inst... to get it to install |
| 19:13.37 | Kobaz | if you already have the configs/dbs in place, it should just start right up, you shouldn't need any post-inst operations if you're just 'putting things back' |
| 19:14.05 | Kobaz | and then you can start your db, and then figure out why things went wrong later |
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| 19:16.18 | arora | dff: ya, sudo will not be disabledif no password is provided. That will remain the same for all users iirc. |
| 19:16.58 | arora | *enabled |
| 19:17.13 | Kobaz | Megaf: any progress? |
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| 19:20.16 | dff | arora: during the installation two users are supposed to created, root and another user. i read that if no passwd is entered for root it will be disabled. So my question is will the next user created be able to run sudo? |
| 19:20.48 | dff | if no im crippled so i guessing yes, but i just want to make sure |
| 19:21.36 | jhutchins | ,v mariadb-server |
| 19:21.37 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; buster: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.28-1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2 |
| 19:21.51 | Kobaz | dff: users being able to run sudo has nothing to do with whether root has a password |
| 19:22.36 | dff | Kobaz: i know, but you need to be in the sudoers file |
| 19:22.47 | Kobaz | correct |
| 19:22.48 | dff | you=the user in question |
| 19:22.59 | Kobaz | so, what's the issue |
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| 19:23.11 | dff | so do i get the option during the installation to add the first created user into the sudoers file |
| 19:23.20 | jhutchins | dff: The installer is supposed to auto-configure the first user by adding them to the sudo group. |
| 19:23.25 | arora | dff : root is the super user or su, it will always be created on a system. |
| 19:23.35 | dff | great thanks jhutchins |
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| 19:24.05 | dff | arora: created but also disabled right? |
| 19:24.28 | dff | if you dont provide a passwd |
| 19:24.33 | dff | during installation |
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| 19:24.50 | jhutchins | Disabled in the sense that you can't log in as root. |
| 19:25.03 | jhutchins | Nor can you su -. |
| 19:26.03 | arora | So its locked until a password is set dff. |
| 19:26.08 | noahmg123 | Gimp has some weird themeing issues. In the context menus, the available items are greyed out, while the non-available ones are solid. |
| 19:26.15 | dff | ok, thanks guys. |
| 19:26.33 | astronavt | i have a 2011 macbook pro (model "8,2") that i installed debian on. it works fine in console mode, but when i try to boot into XFCE it freezes. i just see a black screen w/ a white underscore in the top left. this particular macbook has switching graphics, between the on-board intel 3000 and a radeon 6750M. how can i debug this? and how can i force debian to boot into text-only mode (e.g. via grub configs) in the |
| 19:26.33 | astronavt | meantime? |
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| 19:28.07 | jhutchins | !macbook |
| 19:28.07 | dpkg | i guess macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
| 19:28.11 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 19:28.11 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 19:28.23 | astronavt | believe me i have looked |
| 19:28.24 | astronavt | jhutchins |
| 19:28.36 | jhutchins | astronavt: It's fairly common to have to take some extra steps to configure radeon graphics. |
| 19:28.51 | astronavt | jhutchins ok |
| 19:28.57 | astronavt | but now i cant even boot into linux |
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| 19:29.13 | astronavt | can i at least get into a text console somehow |
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| 19:29.22 | astronavt | with the install USB maybe |
| 19:29.35 | jhutchins | astronavt: Boot to multi-user.target, you'll get a console. You can probably switch from the non-workin X screen to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F1. |
| 19:30.22 | jhutchins | astronavt: There's also a grub failure that leaves a blinking cursor on a blank screen, is it going through the rest of the bootstrap before it goes to the black screen, or is it right at the start? |
| 19:30.33 | Megaf | Kobaz: my laptop had frozen, I'm getting lots of Nouveau GPU lockups... |
| 19:30.40 | astronavt | jhutchins seems like its most of the way through loading |
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| 19:31.04 | Megaf | Had to force shutdown and now I'm not in Debian anymore, too unstable |
| 19:31.26 | Kobaz | try the nvidia propriatary |
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| 19:31.33 | jhutchins | astronavt: Ok, it's just graphics then. Figure out which radeon chipset it is and look at the debian howto. If it doesn't cover your model you'll need to install the drivers from ATI. |
| 19:32.17 | jhutchins | Megaf: Debian has great stability. It requires some knowledge and effort to do things on it, but that's true of anything. |
| 19:32.29 | Kobaz | exactly |
| 19:32.32 | Megaf | jhutchins: not if you are using nouveau ;) |
| 19:32.32 | Kobaz | and 'good' hardware |
| 19:32.39 | arora | Is it only me who never had a problem with dual graphics setup amd+intel ? |
| 19:32.51 | jhutchins | Megaf: You're not going to get a lot of help or sympathy here if you keep blaming your mistakes on Debian. |
| 19:32.54 | Kobaz | Megaf: nouveau works fine, although i do prefer radeon |
| 19:33.03 | Megaf | it works great with the proprietary nvidia driver though. Problem is, nvidia driver doesnt work with EFI, only MBR |
| 19:33.09 | Kobaz | ....due to open source support |
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| 19:33.17 | Kobaz | Megaf: that's not debian's fault |
| 19:33.21 | dff | ive had a lot of trouble with linux and macbooks |
| 19:33.26 | dff | gave up on it |
| 19:33.29 | noahmg123 | Gimp has some weird themeing issues. Some elements of the UI are not being colored with the theme. If I run gimp as sudo, this fixes the problem. |
| 19:33.32 | jhutchins | Megaf: I'd bet money you're wrong about that. |
| 19:33.48 | Kobaz | jhutchins: probably true as well |
| 19:34.00 | Megaf | jhutchins: let me rephrase it. The version of nvidia driver that supports my GPU doenst work with EFI. |
| 19:34.09 | teraflops | Megaf: huh? |
| 19:34.19 | Megaf | shall we get back to my mysql install problem? |
| 19:34.19 | Kobaz | so you're using old nvidia drivers and complaining it has problems? |
| 19:34.36 | Kobaz | Megaf: did you see my suggestion before? throw an exit 0 on the maria post-inst |
| 19:34.41 | Kobaz | and that'll get you installed at least |
| 19:34.46 | Kobaz | and then figure out what you're missing later |
| 19:34.57 | Megaf | hold on |
| 19:35.08 | Kobaz | you're trying to start up a db that was already in place... right? |
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| 19:36.22 | rawruw | I can define a : deny rules in hosts.allow, is that so? That's what the doc says but I find it weird. Am I missing the point or is just that obvious and nothing more to it? I basically have a deny rule in hosts.allow |
| 19:36.36 | Megaf | Kobaz: This was a Debian Wheezy MySQL server, that works amazinly well. I'm trying to upgrade to Jessie and Stretch. Upgrade to Jessie worked, now, when going to Stretch it is replacing MySQL with MariaDB and failing. |
| 19:36.47 | Megaf | And I do blame Debian for that |
| 19:36.55 | Megaf | I never asked it to go to MariaDB |
| 19:37.00 | Kobaz | right |
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| 19:37.14 | Megaf | I was supposed to be in control, but Debian no longer give admins the control |
| 19:37.24 | Kobaz | but did you read the release notes saying that they've repalaced mysql with maria? |
| 19:37.26 | Kobaz | did you plan for that? |
| 19:37.27 | Megaf | That IS Debians fault |
| 19:37.32 | Kobaz | ...it doesn't sound like it |
| 19:37.43 | Kobaz | *replaced |
| 19:38.09 | Kobaz | the upgrade issue may be a debian problem, or it might be your environment you're put on top of debian |
| 19:38.28 | Kobaz | it's usually the second one |
| 19:38.50 | Kobaz | but, see if you can shoe-horn in maria |
| 19:39.02 | Kobaz | and then see what doesn't work when you try and start it... fix from there |
| 19:39.06 | Megaf | "On the other hand, if you installed MySQL from Debianâs own package repos and then go ahead and upgrade to Debian 9, Debian will simply yank out MySQL and forcibly replace it with a different database system, with no advance warning." http://mysqlrelease.com/2017/06/debian-9-and-mysql-watch-out/ |
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| 19:39.37 | Megaf | What I think I'm going to do is. Revert the server state to pre upgrade. Install MySQL from MySQL repos, and then attempt the upgrade again |
| 19:40.46 | jhutchins | rawruw: Without looking at the docs, I think the deny rule goes in hosts.deny, but there are probably better ways to do what you're trying to do. |
| 19:41.00 | jhutchins | rawruw: Not every program respects those files. |
| 19:41.08 | rawruw | right |
| 19:41.32 | jhutchins | Megaf: I think what you really need to do is install something you like instead of debian. |
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| 19:42.10 | rawruw | but yeah, if all the rules are denies in hosts.deny, then why is there a .. : .. : ... [ : deny ] kind of rule |
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| 19:42.40 | Kobaz | and also... had you tested on a non-production, you would have noticed issues before it bit you in the ass |
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| 19:43.09 | rawruw | I suppose it is to make it easy to put that on top of something in hosts.allow without altering any other allow rules if you want to temporarily block something out |
| 19:43.14 | Megaf | jhutchins: I love Debian, I hate been forced to use MariaDB |
| 19:43.24 | Kobaz | you're not forced to do anything |
| 19:43.24 | jhutchins | Kobaz: Do you really think he has anything legitimately called "production"? |
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| 19:43.28 | noahmg123 | imgur.com/a/2SCMn (correct on left, incorrect on right) why is gimp without sudo taking elements from two themes? |
| 19:43.30 | Megaf | or been forced to use anything. Thankfully I can actually remove Systemd |
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| 19:43.39 | Kobaz | if you read the info you linked to on the rant about switching to maria |
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| 19:43.49 | Kobaz | there's plain-as-day instructions on how to keep using mysql |
| 19:44.04 | Kobaz | jhutchins: probably not, heh |
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| 19:44.46 | teraflops | from what I read almost everyday, test/pre-production environments and backup plans are urban legends⦠|
| 19:44.52 | Kobaz | haha |
| 19:44.55 | Kobaz | mostly |
| 19:45.11 | Megaf | Kobaz: yep, I'm reading that |
| 19:45.22 | Megaf | still doesn't change the fact Debian is pushing people to MariaDB |
| 19:45.26 | Kobaz | https://imgur.com/a/gO2Yb |
| 19:45.48 | Kobaz | Megaf: that's like complaining debian is pushing people to use bash |
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| 19:45.53 | Kobaz | chsh... problem solved |
| 19:46.01 | teraflops | Kobaz: yeah |
| 19:46.09 | jhutchins | teraflops: For some of our clients we have live DR failover between two datacenters, and pretty much everything goes dev, test/qa, stage, prod. |
| 19:46.32 | teraflops | jhutchins: it looks sane |
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| 19:46.47 | jhutchins | Megaf: No, people are pushing Debian to Mariadb (for good reasons). |
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| 19:47.20 | Kobaz | jhutchins: i actually own that tshirt |
| 19:47.25 | Megaf | Ok folks. Some feedback here. The upgrade error was not Debians/MariaDB/Packagers fault |
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| 19:47.33 | Megaf | it was my system indeed |
| 19:47.33 | Kobaz | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f141/ |
| 19:47.41 | Megaf | problem solved |
| 19:48.22 | Megaf | When I am the one to blame I will blame myself. No problem. It was my system at fault. Not Debian. |
| 19:48.31 | Megaf | Debian 1 - 0 Megaf |
| 19:48.35 | jhutchins | Megaf: We pretty much knew that. |
| 19:48.37 | teraflops | ah, good old pebcak |
| 19:49.05 | Megaf | I will revert the system to a clean state and attempt the upgrade again. Since MariaDB is actually recommended... |
| 19:49.24 | jhutchins | Remember, thousands of people use this distribution every day, some in serious commercial venues. That's not to say your problems can't be real, but you should think twice about the possible causes. |
| 19:49.50 | Kobaz | that's like that one time i found a bug in GCC |
| 19:49.59 | Kobaz | but the other 9999999 times, it's user error |
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| 19:50.19 | Megaf | jhutchins: Understood. |
| 19:50.30 | Megaf | I made a mistake. |
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| 19:50.51 | Megaf | I have no problem in admiting that. Mistake I will not make in the future now. |
| 19:51.23 | Kobaz | i have a script that i can take any production system and make a vm from it |
| 19:51.32 | Kobaz | and then run whatever upgrades/crap i need to |
| 19:51.42 | Megaf | Congratualtions? |
| 19:51.51 | Kobaz | figure out any pitfalls and special cases, write it up, and then i can sanely apply to production |
| 19:51.58 | Kobaz | i'm just saying... try that next time :P |
| 19:52.00 | teraflops | Megaf: +1 for you for what you said |
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| 19:53.41 | Megaf | And now, let me grab my trusty Satelitte laptop with Radeon GPU that works great with Debian. Should use that for my servers stuff. Since it's super reliable. |
| 19:53.50 | Megaf | Using mosh + tmux helps a lot already |
| 19:54.44 | Kobaz | ew, mosh |
| 19:54.47 | Kobaz | that sounds cool |
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| 19:55.08 | Megaf | mosh is amazing |
| 19:55.23 | Megaf | mosh is kinda like an ssh client |
| 19:55.31 | Kobaz | right |
| 19:55.32 | Kobaz | yeah i see that |
| 19:55.35 | Kobaz | latency-friendly |
| 19:55.36 | Megaf | but it uses a lot less bandwidth. |
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| 19:55.50 | Megaf | it more responsive, and auto reconnects if the connection is dropped |
| 19:55.56 | Megaf | it is |
| 19:56.05 | Kobaz | why would it use less bandwidth |
| 19:56.15 | Kobaz | it looks like it just tolerates a lack of bandwidth |
| 19:56.21 | Kobaz | you're still sending/receiving the same amount of data |
| 19:56.37 | Kobaz | but yeah, that's pretty awesome, i could use that |
| 19:56.54 | Megaf | I don't know the technical part. All I know it works well even when I'm using 2G |
| 19:57.00 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 19:57.08 | Kobaz | i can see the technical part just reading the description |
| 19:57.18 | Kobaz | ssh relys on getting interactive responses from the server |
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| 19:57.33 | Kobaz | and it's showing you the screen from the server, nothing is locally generated |
| 19:57.46 | Kobaz | so mosh does local echo |
| 19:57.56 | Kobaz | so you can see what you're doing before the server sends it back to you |
| 19:58.04 | Kobaz | basically predictive behavior |
| 19:58.26 | Megaf | yep. but things can get messy sometimes |
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| 20:02.33 | Kobaz | oooooo |
| 20:02.50 | Kobaz | cool, found a race condition i can fix in my service alerts... yay, one less false-positive |
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| 20:04.54 | astronavt | jhutchins thanks for the insight. do you think 'nomodeset' is worth trying or no |
| 20:05.51 | astronavt | i can boot to multi-user with systemd.target=multi-user.target, right? |
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| 20:06.03 | jhutchins | astronavt: It won't get you a working GUI, it'll drop you to the console just like multi-user.target. |
| 20:06.16 | Megaf | Folks. I'm still not entirely sure wheter I should stick to MySQL or goto MariaDB |
| 20:06.18 | jhutchins | astronavt: Yes, that should work. |
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| 20:06.36 | astronavt | thank you |
| 20:06.40 | jhutchins | Megaf: What are you doing with it? |
| 20:06.54 | Megaf | It's a database for some websites |
| 20:07.16 | Megaf | two of them are wordpress based |
| 20:07.20 | jhutchins | Megaf: That should work fine with maria, and you're staying with the mainstream distribution defaults. |
| 20:07.35 | jhutchins | Megaf: maria works well for both WP and Drupal. |
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| 20:08.38 | Megaf | Isnt MariaDB just a fork from MySQL? Would I be wrong assuming that it should just work? |
| 20:08.46 | jhutchins | Megaf: So far, I haven't found any unexpected differences like different command syntax. |
| 20:09.13 | jhutchins | Megaf: Most people haven't even noticed the difference until someone says it's mariadb. |
| 20:09.35 | Megaf | BRB, rebooting back into Debian |
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| 20:13.59 | Megaf | back |
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| 20:20.42 | Kobaz | Megaf: it's more than 'just a fork'.. It's a migration towards traditionally community-supported development not in control of one major company |
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| 20:21.38 | Megaf | Kobaz: I know that and appreciate that. My assumption and affirmation was just codewise |
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| 20:21.56 | Kobaz | yeah, it's all technically backwards compatible, drop-in replacement |
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| 20:22.05 | Kobaz | unless you have some crazy edge use-case |
| 20:23.21 | teraflops | â¦because Oracle acquired mysql |
| 20:23.41 | Megaf | Now, changing topics. I will revert my laptop from Buster/Sid back to Stretch |
| 20:23.48 | Megaf | seems to work more stable in this laptop |
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| 20:24.08 | Megaf | Although Sid performs better. But since I will be using Liquorix kernel I dont mind the switch back much |
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| 20:31.10 | Megaf | tops up his glass of wine so he can continue the servers upgrade |
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| 20:31.22 | Kobaz | you need an old fashioned |
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| 20:31.45 | Megaf | Please elaborate |
| 20:32.08 | Kobaz | https://www.liquor.com/recipes/bourbon-old-fashioned/ |
| 20:32.29 | Megaf | I'm drinking a Spanish one, it's a blend |
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| 20:32.47 | RoyK | Megaf: more wine poured into servers make them happy |
| 20:32.48 | Kobaz | oh jeesus they make you sign up now |
| 20:32.51 | Megaf | And I rather drink wine |
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| 20:33.41 | Kobaz | oh, you can just close the popup |
| 20:34.15 | Megaf | Listening to the album Joshua Tree, having a nice red wine in my bedroom. What a way of working |
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| 20:34.47 | Kobaz | working on my script to reboot 600 ip phones |
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| 20:35.03 | Kobaz | obviously you can't do them all at once, bad things happen |
| 20:35.06 | Megaf | Kobaz: you using ansible for your stuff? |
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| 20:35.26 | Kobaz | no, we have our homebrew stuff |
| 20:35.39 | Megaf | cool |
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| 20:36.03 | Megaf | I'm old fashioned, I will just use ssh and simple shell script |
| 20:37.05 | Megaf | And while I wait for the server to upgrade I'm installing a fresh Debian 9 on my trusty Satelitte |
| 20:37.27 | Megaf | My MacBook Pro is the next victim for the fresh install |
| 20:38.15 | Kobaz | oddly enough i prefer macos on my mac |
| 20:38.25 | Kobaz | it's just... more native feeling |
| 20:38.25 | mrig | Megaf, I have just put 9 on my laptop, I am really enjoying getting used to it :) |
| 20:38.35 | Kobaz | if i wanted linux, i would use my lenovo |
| 20:38.49 | Megaf | it works well mrig |
| 20:39.02 | Megaf | Stretch is a nice release |
| 20:39.17 | Megaf | so much so I'm moving my servers from Wheezy to Stretch |
| 20:39.36 | Megaf | Upgrading first to Jessie of course |
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| 20:41.54 | Megaf | Although I don't quite like GNOME that ships on Stretch. The one in Sid is way nicier |
| 20:41.57 | Megaf | oh well |
| 20:42.04 | mrig | Running it with GNOME on a lenavo and am really enjoying using it. |
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| 20:42.41 | mrig | but I have been using i3 for some time, just learning all the keyboard shortcuts and it seems to be fine. |
| 20:42.53 | _ppp | how can i enable rc.local in debian9? it is not working! need an easy way |
| 20:43.09 | Megaf | Core2Duo @ 2,4 GHz here :) |
| 20:43.26 | preaction | does anyone know what to do when vim hangs while writing, after it has deleted the original file? |
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| 20:43.44 | mrig | Megaf, what is the difference between versions of GNOME? |
| 20:44.07 | _ppp | anyone?! |
| 20:44.08 | Kobaz | if i wanted linux, i would use my lenovo |
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| 20:44.13 | Megaf | The system settings tool is completely redone |
| 20:44.16 | mrig | preaction, do you have a .swp file in the folder? |
| 20:44.17 | Megaf | totally different |
| 20:44.17 | Kobaz | er whoops, wrong repeat command |
| 20:44.28 | preaction | mrig: i do, yes, but vim reports it is missing lines |
| 20:44.46 | preaction | (i opened another session to check) |
| 20:45.28 | _ppp | how can i enable rc.local in debian9? it is not working! need an easy way |
| 20:45.59 | preaction | _ppp: SO says: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44797694/where-is-rc-local-in-debian-9-debian-stretch |
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| 20:48.20 | Megaf | Im doing so much shit in this upgrade. Third time I will have to recover from Backup |
| 20:48.37 | Megaf | I upgraded straight from Wheezy to Strech |
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| 20:48.43 | Megaf | forgot to go to Jessie first |
| 20:48.56 | Megaf | (I thought I was going to Jessie first) |
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| 20:49.29 | teraflops | _ppp: maybe the question is what do you need rc.local for |
| 20:49.37 | mrig | preaction, I don't really know for certain, sounds like a bit of a situation, you have there; The info should be in the swap file if you kill the instance of vim. I would go with that personally, as it should have the most recent version of the file. But I am no expert, so please don't quote me on that and there may be better solutions too if you have lost data. |
| 20:50.26 | preaction | mrig: thanks. i'm trying to re-open that swap file again to see what i have, i might be able to recover the code from some of the other files. lord save me from legacy, overloaded systems... |
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| 20:51.22 | mrig | preaction, you may need to kill the instance of vim first before you can read it. |
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| 20:51.47 | preaction | the new vim reads it fine, but it can't write it even to a completely different directory... |
| 20:51.51 | astronavt | jhutchins nope it doesnt let me switch TTYs |
| 20:51.55 | preaction | starting to think there might be a bigger problem here |
| 20:51.55 | astronavt | just frozen |
| 20:54.36 | Kobaz | er whoops, wrong repeat command |
| 20:54.41 | Kobaz | damnit i keep doing that |
| 20:54.42 | Kobaz | haha |
| 20:55.11 | steelcowboy | Hi, as I was talking about yesterday I want to package a different version of Xen than exists in Debian, and therefore I'm building by git cloning the repo and going from there |
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| 20:56.54 | steelcowboy | Basically, if I wasn't trying to make a deb package the process would look something like this: git clone https://github.com/01org/igvtg-xen ; cd igvtg-xen ; make xen ; sudo make install |
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| 20:58.14 | steelcowboy | How do I turn this process into a deb package? I was told I might want a source package, but I'm not finding a lot of documentation on this. Basically, my major question is what tools should I be using? |
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| 20:59.40 | steelcowboy | I don't need specifics, but just a high-level overview like "use this to make a deb package, then edit this file to specify you want 'make xen'". Then use this to build a regular package from the source package, etc |
| 21:00.06 | n4dir | a bit vague: the way debian makes deb packages is that it has got the upstream source tarball *and* a folder called "debian"; which contains all the stuff debian does to package it |
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| 21:00.37 | n4dir | if you do "apt-get source <pkg-name>", you will get it. If all you got is a newer version, you might get away with most of the debian folder |
| 21:00.57 | steelcowboy | Can I not make it from scratch? |
| 21:01.07 | n4dir | You can. |
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| 21:01.37 | n4dir | There is a how-to at forums.debian.org, by SoulSinging (iirc). It gives a quick overview. Else there is the "maintainer guide" (or similar) |
| 21:02.05 | steelcowboy | I started off using dh-make and it make a debian folder, tar'd the source, but I wasn't sure if it was intending to consider that a source package or a binary package |
| 21:02.10 | n4dir | i can't tell you much more than those rather vague hints |
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| 21:02.50 | n4dir | there is an irc channel which helps with such. chances are higher to get a valid answer there. |
| 21:03.40 | steelcowboy | Ahh, that explains why my question feels a bit out of place in this one haha |
| 21:04.10 | n4dir | the channels name seems to be #packaging |
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| 21:04.27 | n4dir | nah, there can be people here who know about it too. |
| 21:04.47 | steelcowboy | Packaging didn't have anyone in it :( |
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| 21:05.01 | n4dir | probably on the irc.oftc.net network. |
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| 21:05.42 | steelcowboy | Oh, I see |
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| 21:08.51 | steelcowboy | Do I need to do anything special to join the channel? Like be registered with anything? |
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| 21:09.24 | N0Lif3 | after doing a minimal netinstall on my laptop, the network seems to be broken. wifi isn't working and even when I plug it into my router with an ethernet cable it doesn't work. |
| 21:09.33 | n4dir | No, i don't think so. connect to the irc.oftc.net network, then join #packaging |
| 21:09.39 | N0Lif3 | it connected just fine during install |
| 21:10.02 | n4dir | that is the how-to i spoke of, the advantage is that it's small, the comments are good too. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 steelcowboy |
| 21:10.34 | N0Lif3 | apt-get update says "temporary failure resolving" the repository address and when I try to ping my router at 192.168.1.1 it says "network is unreachable" |
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| 21:13.45 | jim | N0Lif3, if you can't ping your router, that suggests your net is down... what did you use when you did the netinstall, which interface? |
| 21:14.03 | Tramp | N0Lif3: does "ip a sh" (a) show your interfaces (b) show an assigned address (line with "inet ...9"? |
| 21:14.20 | N0Lif3 | im online right now on that very network. im on my desktop |
| 21:14.22 | Tramp | "inet ..." |
| 21:14.38 | Megaf | Ok folks, I give up |
| 21:14.46 | Megaf | will keep my server on Wheezy |
| 21:15.01 | Megaf | [ ok ] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld .. |
| 21:15.01 | Megaf | [info] Checking for tables which need an upgrade, are corrupt or were |
| 21:15.01 | Megaf | not closed cleanly.. |
| 21:15.05 | N0Lif3 | lemme see |
| 21:15.09 | Megaf | It gets stuck there now. |
| 21:15.11 | RoyK | Tramp: "ip a" is enough ;) |
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| 21:15.31 | jim | Megaf, what has you want to stay on wheezy? |
| 21:15.45 | Tramp | RoyK: you're right :) - it's just muscle-memory always adding the "sh" |
| 21:15.55 | RoyK | hehe |
| 21:15.59 | Megaf | jim: I cant make MariaDB/MySQL work after upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie |
| 21:16.13 | Megaf | it seems to work if I go directly from Wheezy to Stretch tho |
| 21:16.27 | Megaf | but in this channel I was told to not go directly... |
| 21:16.34 | Megaf | I must not skip versions |
| 21:16.56 | Megaf | So I will just use Wheezy until LTS supports ends and then I go to CentOS =/ |
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| 21:17.30 | jim | yeah, it's generally not recommended you skip |
| 21:17.40 | N0Lif3 | Tramp: no ip |
| 21:17.51 | Megaf | gonna attempt one last time |
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| 21:18.17 | jim | can you bring your wheezy up to the latest state of wheezy without database problems? |
| 21:18.22 | SuperTramp83 | huh? a Tramp? x_X |
| 21:18.46 | Megaf | jim: Yep. I have a full backup of it |
| 21:18.58 | Megaf | it only takes me around 10 minutes to fully restore it |
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| 21:21.04 | Tramp | N0Lif3: maybe add one manually and then continue from there (e.g. ip a add 192.168.1.2 dev <your device>) and a default route via 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:21.06 | jim | as you're running wheezy, what do you use to get packages? |
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| 21:21.21 | Megaf | jim: apt-get? |
| 21:21.38 | jim | pointing to which package mirror |
| 21:21.40 | jim | ? |
| 21:21.55 | Tramp | N0Lif3: ip a add 192.168.1.2/24 dev <your dev> |
| 21:22.06 | Megaf | httpredir |
| 21:22.21 | Megaf | thats the default, but to upgrade I use deb.debian |
| 21:22.47 | jim | the thing is... |
| 21:23.09 | jim | wheezy I don't believe is on the main mirrors any longer |
| 21:23.32 | Megaf | it is, as oldoldstable |
| 21:23.44 | Megaf | anyway, that does not matter since I'm upgrading to Jessie |
| 21:23.50 | Tramp | N0Lif3: (setting the route would be ip r add default 192.168.1.1) |
| 21:24.02 | Tramp | N0Lif3: (setting the route would be ip r add default via 192.168.1.1) |
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| 21:26.27 | scultist | any *dosemu* enthusiasts in here? =) |
| 21:26.49 | scultist | dosemu wants to mkdir w/o permissions when i try to use it to run a BBS door |
| 21:26.57 | jim | Megaf, one thing you need to do before moving to the next thing, is bring your -current- (i.e., wheezy) version of debian up to date |
| 21:27.25 | ana13[m] | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:27.50 | Megaf | jim: my Wheezy is very up to day |
| 21:27.52 | Megaf | date* |
| 21:28.03 | Megaf | I was using wheezy-updates and wheezy-backports |
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| 21:28.38 | Megaf | Jessie and then Stretch will be only on the stable version tho |
| 21:28.47 | Megaf | no -updates |
| 21:28.56 | Megaf | and of course will have security |
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| 21:30.43 | jim | well the only other question, which is your main question I guess, is what is it about the upgrade that's breaking your database functionality |
| 21:31.02 | rawruw | If not PAM, then what else? Some say that PAM sucks. But it's the only "general" thing I know about configuring login and passwords policies/functions. |
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| 21:32.25 | Megaf | jim: could be the change in my.conf, this time I'm keeping my current version of the file instead of using the packagers one |
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| 21:32.48 | Megaf | and this time mysql-server was the first package I upgraded, then I restarted mysql-server and all good |
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| 21:33.11 | jim | so it was the config file? |
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| 21:33.26 | Megaf | oh god, it fucked up again |
| 21:34.13 | Megaf | even tho the first thing I did was apt-get install mysql-server, that actually upgraded mysqlserver, after in apt-get dist-upgrade for some reason it upgraded it again., Now its not starting again |
| 21:34.22 | Megaf | oh wait |
| 21:34.26 | Megaf | this time it worked |
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| 21:35.05 | Megaf | ok, lets go to Stretch now |
| 21:35.10 | n4dir | you don't have to give feedback on every step you take. |
| 21:35.57 | Megaf | I'm hyperactive, I have to |
| 21:36.15 | scultist | ^ lol |
| 21:36.22 | n4dir | !off-topic |
| 21:36.22 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:36.27 | n4dir | there you go. |
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| 21:36.34 | Megaf | Fair enough |
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| 21:38.43 | astronavt | still no luck booting graphicaly |
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| 21:39.28 | Megaf | astronavt: what do you mean? What are you trying to do? |
| 21:39.34 | astronavt | ah this was from before |
| 21:39.49 | astronavt | freeze when booting into x or wayland |
| 21:40.08 | astronavt | black screen, underscore in the top left corner |
| 21:40.27 | Megaf | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9AunAMng/ |
| 21:40.31 | astronavt | this is on a macbook from 2011 w/ intel/radeon graphics switching |
| 21:40.39 | Megaf | Ok, that's it, I have been trying to upgrade this for the last 3 hours |
| 21:40.59 | Megaf | jim: I'm declaring it. It's impossible to upgrade Wheezy to Stretch. It breaks SQL |
| 21:41.44 | Megaf | and on my laptop after going from Stretch to Buster LUKS stopped accepting my encrypted volume password |
| 21:41.44 | astronavt | isn't there a debug mode for sql? |
| 21:42.22 | Megaf | I dont care. I had enough |
| 21:42.31 | Megaf | Debian is not the same thing it used to be |
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| 21:43.33 | rawruw | are there any intentions of dropping support TCP Wrappers? |
| 21:43.34 | Megaf | fucking shit this system, I'm tired. Cya |
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| 21:45.21 | rawruw | :D |
| 21:46.43 | scultist | how do u get debian installed w/o graphical?! |
| 21:46.48 | scultist | lolx |
| 21:46.49 | astronavt | expert install |
| 21:46.57 | astronavt | and just dont select a desktop environment |
| 21:47.14 | scultist | but *if you want graphical* |
| 21:47.30 | steelcowboy | Does anyone know where deb-buildpackage stores its source? |
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| 21:48.11 | steelcowboy | I.e. if within the debian/rules file I said "git clone https://github.com/a/repo", what would be the location of the "repo" folder? |
| 21:48.51 | scultist | i wasnt asking for help ;) |
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| 21:50.06 | astronavt | well, i did actually install w/ a DE this time |
| 21:50.19 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: That has more to do with git than deb-buildpackage. |
| 21:50.26 | astronavt | but even setting systemd.unit=multi-user.target dosn't work |
| 21:50.42 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: By default it puts the files in the current folder. |
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| 21:51.10 | jhutchins | astronavt: You're probably putting it in the wrong place, grub isn't straightforward any more. |
| 21:51.32 | astronavt | i did it on the same line as /linux root=... ro quiet systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
| 21:51.50 | jhutchins | astronavt: I think you want target=multi-user.target |
| 21:51.54 | astronavt | ah |
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| 21:52.18 | astronavt | thats what i get for reading the arch wiki |
| 21:53.19 | astronavt | nope i dies |
| 21:53.31 | astronavt | something about "radeon modesetting disabled, requires firmware-amd-whatever" |
| 21:53.38 | astronavt | then something about my wifi needing a driver, b43 |
| 21:53.39 | astronavt | then bang |
| 21:53.46 | astronavt | black screen, white underscore, not flashing |
| 21:54.07 | jhutchins | astronavt: Ctrl-Alt-F?? |
| 21:54.28 | jhutchins | !b43 |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 21:54.33 | astronavt | what does that do jhutchins |
| 21:54.40 | astronavt | im on ethernet it doesnt matter |
| 21:54.59 | jhutchins | astronavt: If the system's still running and it's just a graphics issue that should switch you to a console. |
| 21:55.03 | astronavt | oh, no |
| 21:55.05 | astronavt | its totally locked up |
| 21:55.11 | astronavt | sorry i thought you actually meant the F key |
| 21:55.14 | astronavt | not the function # |
| 21:55.23 | astronavt | have to hard restart w/ the power button |
| 21:55.33 | astronavt | maybe somethings happening in the background but idk |
| 21:55.45 | astronavt | ive had issues w/ fedora and suse as well |
| 21:55.49 | astronavt | so im wondering if its a hardware problem |
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| 21:56.17 | astronavt | booting w/ the 'single' option works |
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| 21:56.57 | astronavt | i think this is crashing before systemd starts |
| 21:57.21 | astronavt | oh hell now it doesnt even boot into single |
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| 21:58.59 | sillyslux | astronavt, instead of power button you could try alt+sysrq+b |
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| 21:59.07 | astronavt | im on a mac, no sysrq |
| 21:59.14 | astronavt | hold on i have a keyboard |
| 21:59.17 | sillyslux | uf |
| 21:59.37 | steelcowboy | Can I cd in debian rules file? |
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| 21:59.37 | astronavt | its got the dual graphics stuff |
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| 22:00.23 | n4dir | steelcowboy: per definition a file is not a folder, so you can't cd. You can read it, write to it, etc with a fileeditor. |
| 22:01.06 | steelcowboy | No, I mean within the rules file, which is a makefile, change the working directory of the build system to the git repo I clone right before |
| 22:01.23 | rawruw | Time to rant. This is one of the most shittiest designs I've ever seen for something https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html |
| 22:01.33 | astronavt | i dont think you can change that from the top-level of a makefile steelcowboy |
| 22:01.42 | astronavt | you might have to do it in each task separately |
| 22:01.45 | rawruw | compare that to simple symlinks in a directory. Sure, it does other things.. but hey. |
| 22:02.07 | astronavt | rawruw that's actually the only part of systemd i really can get down on |
| 22:02.20 | steelcowboy | astronavt: Yeah, I just combined a bunch of commands together lol |
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| 22:02.32 | astronavt | that's just a Make limitation |
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| 22:03.00 | astronavt | i'm a huge fan of systemctl, unit files, etc. i can even live with the journalctl binary format |
| 22:03.50 | astronavt | you can f right off with a flaky shell script. no way no thank you. |
| 22:05.22 | abrotman | rawruw: rant elsewhere .. Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 22:06.03 | astronavt | no!!! even with 'text' as a grub argument it still crashes |
| 22:06.05 | astronavt | it gets further tho |
| 22:06.21 | astronavt | sillyslux sysrq magic does not work |
| 22:06.26 | RedSoxFan07 | Anyone have a list of sound cards that work in Debian 9? |
| 22:06.31 | astronavt | oh wait it did work |
| 22:06.41 | astronavt | thats a relief, just didnt mash b hard enough i guess? |
| 22:07.53 | abrotman | RedSoxFan07: Are you trying to buy a discrete sound card? |
| 22:08.29 | RedSoxFan07 | abrotman: Just curiosity. |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | RedSoxFan07: If you're willing to go off the PCIID, you can get the list from the kernel modules |
| 22:10.02 | jhutchins | RedSoxFan07: I've had good luck with soundblasters. Most on-board chipsets are supported these days. |
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| 22:11.23 | jhutchins | I wonder if init=/bin/bash still works with systemd? |
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| 22:11.50 | astronavt | jhutchins that's my last resort |
| 22:11.52 | astronavt | pray for me |
| 22:11.57 | astronavt | i've done it before and it worked |
| 22:12.38 | jhutchins | astronavt: I think you should probably remove quiet and splash and any other special parameters. |
| 22:12.58 | astronavt | ah you think quiet is hurting? |
| 22:13.01 | astronavt | i have ro quiet |
| 22:13.16 | astronavt | i got in via /bin/sh thank heavens |
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| 22:13.53 | astronavt | so... now what |
| 22:14.03 | astronavt | im in a shell, im root |
| 22:14.22 | astronavt | how do i debug that insanity |
| 22:15.00 | sillyslux | is it a macbook? |
| 22:15.15 | astronavt | yep. late 2011 with the dual gfx cards. |
| 22:15.35 | sillyslux | i'd expect the internet to be full of howtos |
| 22:17.18 | astronavt | sillyslux: thats what i expected too |
| 22:17.22 | astronavt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.32 | astronavt | ah. this machine has a known problem with the gfx card |
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| 22:23.22 | jhutchins | It's like when I was searching for how to boot to console with systemd, I got dozens of hits on how to set the default once you're already booted, but nothing about grub boot parameters. |
| 22:23.50 | astronavt | yep |
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| 22:24.11 | astronavt | so, i found something about disabling the radeon card w/ EFI variables |
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| 22:27.38 | astronavt | how do i shutdown without the 'reboot' command? it wont run without systemd running |
| 22:29.36 | GNU\colossus | does `systemctl reboot` work? |
| 22:29.36 | iflema | ctrl+alt+f3 if in X and then ctrl+alt+del |
| 22:29.44 | astronavt | not x |
| 22:29.45 | GNU\colossus | ah |
| 22:29.54 | astronavt | single user |
| 22:29.58 | GNU\colossus | you can also use sysrq in that case |
| 22:30.13 | GNU\colossus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 22:30.23 | astronavt | yeah ill try that |
| 22:30.31 | GNU\colossus | esp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses |
| 22:31.50 | astronavt | yeah alt+sysrq+o does the trick |
| 22:32.00 | astronavt | i gotta head out now.... i guess ill try when i come back |
| 22:33.32 | Tramp | jhutchins: according to https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/bootup.html, the cmdline-parameter is "systemd.unit=" with value "rescue.target" or "emergency target" |
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| 22:34.50 | steelcowboy | I have dlocate installed and it's not finding any package associated with a file that I certianly know is from the package manager |
| 22:35.05 | steelcowboy | What could I do to troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:41.15 | Brigo | steelcowboy, try in debian-mentors, in OFTC network. |
| 22:43.19 | cusco | hello folks |
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| 22:43.51 | cusco | created a vps instance with stretch, and installed open-iscsi ... connected to the remote lun, mounted it, all good |
| 22:44.06 | cusco | added it on fstab ... now wheneve I reboot it hangs |
| 22:44.27 | cusco | I must use the provider's network kvm and remove the fstab line |
| 22:44.42 | cusco | it boots grub, then hangs saying: booting from harddisk |
| 22:45.00 | cusco | added the _netdev option in fstab |
| 22:45.05 | jhutchins | Tramp: Thanks for finding that for me. |
| 22:45.18 | cusco | it should only mount it after net interface... |
| 22:45.19 | jhutchins | Tramp: I believe multi-user.target would work there as well. |
| 22:45.56 | jhutchins | One of the lovely things about systemd is that syntax for things like that has "evolved" over time, and sometimes the old docs are what you find. |
| 22:46.24 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: dpkg -S <path to file>? |
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| 22:47.26 | steelcowboy | jhutchins: Tried that, doesn't show either :( |
| 22:47.50 | jhutchins | cusco: What kind of interface is the remote system conected with? Is it on the main Ethernet link? |
| 22:48.00 | Tramp | jhutchins: ah - sure. I was associating "boot to console" with some kind of recovery-operation (as opposed to just "no X/DM") |
| 22:48.33 | jhutchins | Tramp: Yes, and in this case he might need a more basic mode. (Recovering graphics on a macbook pro). |
| 22:48.46 | cusco | jhutchins: its a vps, but it has two network interfaces, one with a private ip |
| 22:48.52 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: If it |
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| 22:49.13 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: If it's a file that's generated by the package or by the program, it won't be indexed. |
| 22:49.30 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: You could always tell us what file and ask the groupmind. |
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| 22:50.13 | cusco | before using _netdev I used defaults option |
| 22:50.15 | Tramp | and apparently for rescue-operation systemd understands all the "usual cmdline stuff" as well (i.e. rescue, rd.rescue, single, s, S, 1) |
| 22:50.29 | cusco | not really sure why it is hanging on boot due to a fstab line |
| 22:50.57 | steelcowboy | jhutchins: Sure, this binary on my system: /usr/sbin/xen-livepatch |
| 22:51.04 | steelcowboy | dpkg -S shows it has no owner |
| 22:51.04 | dpkg | Dingos ate my shows it has no owner! |
| 22:51.22 | Tramp | but for multi-user.target there is no "alias", so on needs systemd.unit=. |
| 22:52.25 | finlstrm | hey all.. I've got a DNS question if anyone can answer. Is it possible to send an alert if slave is unable to zone transfer from master? google hasn't been my friend here.. |
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| 22:52.37 | finlstrm | I'm running bind9 on debian stable |
| 22:52.45 | steelcowboy | Also, does anyone know why I might be getting this error when doing dpkg -i: error setting ownership of './boot/xen-4.9.0.config': Operation not permitted |
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| 22:53.51 | cusco | Ill try nobootwait |
| 22:53.58 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: Maybe xen downloaded it? |
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| 22:54.37 | jhutchins | cusco: Sounds likely. |
| 22:54.41 | cusco | the same... |
| 22:54.51 | cusco | it doesn't get to boot the kernel |
| 22:55.02 | steelcowboy | Everything from xen in /usr/sbin shows to have no owner, even though I'm pretty sure it should be part of the xen-tools package |
| 22:55.03 | cusco | it hangs before that and after grub |
| 22:55.31 | steelcowboy | But tbh I'm more curious about this strange error with the error setting ownership when trying to install |
| 22:55.43 | jhutchins | BTW the script kiddies have figured out moving ssh to 222 and 2222. |
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| 22:56.10 | jhutchins | steelcowboy: Sounds like a packaging error. |
| 22:56.13 | cusco | jhutchins: it shows: https://i.snag.gy/udto3q.jpg - after grub |
| 22:57.07 | steelcowboy | jhutchins: Grr... I'm trying to repack a deb package using dpkg-deb and then I got that when trying to install |
| 22:57.13 | steelcowboy | What might be causing that? |
| 22:57.16 | ldevries | I'm having problem with networking.service https://pastebin.com/QSJFwfMe |
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| 23:01.46 | steelcowboy | Does dpkg-deb -b need to be run as root or something? |
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| 23:02.14 | steelcowboy | Oh wait, I'm dumb. I need to learn to look down the page a bit more |
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| 23:03.59 | verblendet | moin moiun, i like to install grub-efi-amd64 on a usb stick. (prepare a live stick with persitence) , im currently under deb8 on a laptop without efi! i have grub-legacy installed, but need grub with efi support to install on the usb drive. unfortunately i cannot install grub-efi for the needed files without getting my grub-legacy removed which will break my system. what can i do? how to install grub-efi on a usb stick from a system that |
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| 23:05.21 | verblendet | apt says: The following packages will be REMOVED: grub-pc winusb if i want install grub-efi-amd64 (just for the needed files in /usr/lib etc) |
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| 23:11.38 | Megaf | Ok, is there a way to force Debian to install in BIOS mode in a EFI machine? |
| 23:12.59 | ldevries | I'm having problem with networking.service https://pastebin.com/QSJFwfMe |
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| 23:14.37 | abrotman | ldevries: you sohuld probably also paste your interfaces file (paste.debian.net) |
| 23:16.30 | verblendet | Megaf, maybe you have to change the bios settings for that, at least i had to do it on some older hp,fujitsu,ibm servers |
| 23:17.02 | Megaf | not an option |
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| 23:17.23 | Megaf | this laptop can boot both OSes in EFI and BIOS mode automagically |
| 23:17.29 | Megaf | at the same time |
| 23:17.49 | Megaf | problem is Debian only offers EFI option in the installed, and will setup the this in EFI mode too |
| 23:18.56 | verblendet | wtf? so what if my laptop does not support efi ? cant i install stretch on it? |
| 23:19.31 | Megaf | What I mean is, if Debian sees that the laptop supports EFI, it will only work in EFI |
| 23:19.36 | Megaf | which make sense... |
| 23:19.44 | verblendet | ah ok, phew |
| 23:20.05 | Megaf | if you put the laptop in BIOS mode, then Debian will revert to BIOS mode |
| 23:20.12 | verblendet | yes makes sense, but no so much, if there is an option, remeber: its will be a linux, the user have to deciode |
| 23:20.17 | Megaf | but it does not gives you the option |
| 23:20.32 | verblendet | imho this is called a bug :) |
| 23:20.35 | Megaf | exactly |
| 23:20.44 | Megaf | Today is a very frustrating Linux day for me |
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| 23:20.51 | Megaf | having lots of problems with Debian |
| 23:21.09 | Megaf | two of my issues is just Debian deciding the things and not giving me option about it |
| 23:21.16 | verblendet | i know that, but wait until you know the solution, then it seems easy and you feel like a guru again |
| 23:21.55 | verblendet | yes, i personally hate it when i install software and all these pseudo automagical features are enabled by default, or a simple example: the quiet option by default in grub, its a fail! |
| 23:22.11 | mrig | Megaf, I think it depends on how you partition the disk. |
| 23:22.29 | verblendet | linux gives so much information, but what do people do? install totally useless splash screens and enable quiet options by default, aaaaargh :)) |
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| 23:23.00 | ldevries | I'm having problem with networking.service https://pastebin.com/pgfB6Lcw |
| 23:23.02 | Megaf | mrig: I'd like to use the guided mode to setup encrypted volume, but since the installer is running in EFI mode it will just setup the disk for EFI |
| 23:23.25 | verblendet | mrig, that would only make sense then if he created an efi partition for that, if not, it should default to bios mode, imho |
| 23:23.30 | Megaf | again, it makes sense. But it's not cool that I don't have control whether the installer loads in EFI mode or BIOS mode |
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| 23:23.46 | mrig | Megaf, you can do all of that manually. |
| 23:23.47 | verblendet | Megaf, what if you partition manually? and no efi partition? |
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| 23:24.20 | Megaf | I will be just working around the issue, as usual.... |
| 23:24.20 | verblendet | if this works as expected, it s definitely not a bug but a cool feature |
| 23:24.23 | mrig | Just reading about it from this page :~ https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s06.html.en |
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| 23:24.52 | Megaf | ldevries: Ok. |
| 23:25.12 | Megaf | We can't do or say anything from what you are saying. I don't even know what you want. |
| 23:25.37 | verblendet | Megaf, so if you put laptop in bios mode, install debian with grub-pc and then switch back, and you said it can boot both automagically, does it work maybe? |
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| 23:26.43 | ldevries | Megaf, well I was hoping someone would help me in correcting the error |
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| 23:27.56 | verblendet | ldevries, so what das ip -a reports for the devicename? is it really eth0? |
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| 23:29.48 | ldevries | I'm connected via wifi |
| 23:30.01 | ldevries | not hard wired eth0 |
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| 23:35.10 | Megaf | Well, with this EFI/BIOS things and having to do manually, at least I'm learning how to setup encrypted volumes and LVM |
| 23:35.12 | ldevries | verblendet, ip -a returns menu |
| 23:35.32 | Megaf | It will be a miracle if the system boots... |
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| 23:47.49 | kingsley | Is there an easier way to trace a hex offset reported when a binary that depends on hundreds of packages crashes back to the line of source code than installing those hundreds of packages and recompiling with code offsets enabled in the listings? |
| 23:48.42 | kingsley | Like on a debian packaging web site, or from analyzing the corresponding -dbgsym file? |
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| 23:53.45 | Kobaz | kingsley: that's more of a #gdb question |
| 23:54.11 | Kobaz | kingsley: from what i recall, if you don't have debug symbols, then you're going to have a hard time tracing to a line number |
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| 23:55.39 | Kobaz | kingsley: the offsets are going to depend on the compiler and a bunch of environmental stuff. So even if you rebuild and then use the original offset with respect to the newly build library, there's no guaratnee it will line up |
| 23:56.25 | Kobaz | kingsley: doubtfully you will need debugging of every library... you probably need the lowest, or two lowest level libs to figure out what's going on |
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