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| 00:18.01 | Megaf | so, verblendet, even tho disk is MBR and theres no EFI partition in the disk the installer wants to install grub EFI |
| 00:18.11 | Megaf | again, Debian is not giving me any option |
| 00:18.19 | Megaf | just using something that WILL brake the system |
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| 00:19.16 | Megaf | unless GRUB EFI can boot MBR |
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| 00:20.54 | jcarpenter2 | how do I add a nameserver with a nonstandard port to resolv.conf? |
| 00:21.04 | Megaf | and of course it can not |
| 00:21.24 | Megaf | jcarpenter2: dont use non standard port |
| 00:21.37 | jcarpenter2 | impossible |
| 00:22.40 | Megaf | jcarpenter2: try nameserver ip:port |
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| 00:22.58 | jcarpenter2 | it ignores the line when i do that |
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| 00:29.15 | jelly | jcarpenter2: you can't. you might use iptables to do a port translation for queries and responses, or a local dns proxy |
| 00:29.45 | Megaf | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1027363#p1027363 |
| 00:29.46 | jcarpenter2 | problem is i need 2 DNS servers |
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| 00:30.01 | Megaf | jcarpenter2: maybe the link help |
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| 00:30.18 | ZSky | Hi |
| 00:30.32 | jelly | jcarpenter2: why |
| 00:30.35 | jcarpenter2 | 1 for my LXC container in which i'm running a 32-bit os for wine development (which is on port 53 since i don't want to mess with the lxc setup as it's currently working) |
| 00:30.54 | jcarpenter2 | and #2 is a stub resolver that hooks into ncdns to resolve namecoin .bit domains |
| 00:31.25 | jcarpenter2 | it's #2 that i want to configure my PC to use with its regular nameservers |
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| 00:31.40 | ZSky | I have a database user0001 => abc@gmail.com user0002 => def@gmail.com... How to make that a mail arriving to user0001@example.com is redirected to abc@gmial.com, etc. |
| 00:31.41 | ZSky | (let's say I own example.com) |
| 00:32.12 | jelly | jcarpenter2: then set up a recursor of your own, configure it to forward respective local domains to their respective dns auth servers, and put _that_ in resolv.conf |
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| 00:32.58 | jcarpenter2 | i'll look into it |
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| 00:33.30 | jelly | jcarpenter2: use dnsmasq or unbound or pns-recursor or bind9 or whatever |
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| 00:35.07 | ahmed_ | excuse me, iam using kde when i connect my android phone i can read only i can't copy from my pc to phone ? any solution |
| 00:35.17 | jelly | ZSky: that will depend on the MTA you use |
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| 00:36.52 | Megaf | verblendet: hah! I made it! My Debian is up and running in BIOS mod |
| 00:36.54 | Megaf | mode* |
| 00:37.01 | jcarpenter2 | how is dnsmasq running, that's the question |
| 00:37.17 | rawruw | quick question. is xinitd supposed to work with debian by default after you install and activate it? I just need a yes/no answer to know where to continue my research. |
| 00:37.24 | Megaf | verblendet: had to start rescue mode from USB, then remove grub-efi and install grub-pc but it worked! |
| 00:37.25 | jcarpenter2 | it was pulled in by lxc, but /etc/init.d/dnsmasq does not exist |
| 00:37.29 | jcarpenter2 | it runs on boot, but how |
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| 00:37.50 | jelly | ZSky: ie. with postfix you might use virtual_alias_domains and virtual_alias_maps |
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| 00:38.50 | jelly | rawruw: what is xinitd? |
| 00:39.06 | rawruw | jelly: sorry, xinetd |
| 00:39.18 | rawruw | jelly: you got the same question there, what is xinetd? |
| 00:39.28 | jelly | rawruw: sorry? |
| 00:39.36 | rawruw | jelly: do you also wonder what xinetd is? |
| 00:39.42 | jelly | rawruw: no. |
| 00:39.47 | ZSky | jelly: I posted it here with more details: https://serverfault.com/questions/884200/redirect-all-emails-according-to-a-database |
| 00:39.55 | ZSky | I have a MySql database |
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| 00:44.56 | scultist | TIL: the "./" in front of scripts (or anything really) is just putting the path name! oh my it makes so much sense! i love reading about LINUX |
| 00:45.13 | jelly | rawruw: it ought to start by default when installed, no activation should be required for xinetd itself (you only want to not disable a service you run under it). |
| 00:45.48 | scultist | shebang! =p |
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| 00:46.24 | rawruw | jelly: I should disable the services in systemd/initv though, when they are under xinitd, right? |
| 00:46.31 | jelly | rawruw: no |
| 00:46.40 | rawruw | huh.. that.. might explain a few things. |
| 00:46.47 | rawruw | but.. wha. is xinitd aware of them or something? |
| 00:46.49 | jelly | unless you have definitions for the same thing in both |
| 00:47.13 | rawruw | yeah, that's what I mean. A service should only exist or be "active" in one of them, not both |
| 00:47.24 | jelly | or another service using the same port |
| 00:48.03 | rawruw | port/service should exists under only one of: xinitd, systemd, sysvinit. If in one of them, it should be disabled in all the others, no? |
| 00:48.18 | rawruw | xinetd ffs.. |
| 00:48.24 | jelly | that's about right |
| 00:49.16 | jelly | (except you're not actually having both systemd and sysvinit at the same time; if systemd is init, it manages old sysv-style init scripts as well) |
| 00:49.20 | rawruw | xinetd doesn't like me though. Configured a /bin/cat server as a test, user examples taht are supposed to work. xinetd won't even listen to the ports |
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| 00:49.42 | rawruw | but that doesn't matter. I was just curious about xinetd. Don't need it. |
| 00:49.44 | rawruw | jelly: yeah. |
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| 00:51.27 | astronavt | ok. back and still struggling. |
| 00:51.37 | jelly | rawruw: it's picky about ports and service names and /etc/services |
| 00:51.58 | jelly | if it doesn't matter, why did you ask at all |
| 00:52.38 | rawruw | jelly: would be nice to learn more. I'm stuck. But I'm just saying that it's not that important, don't want people to waste too much time on it helping me with it. |
| 00:53.02 | rawruw | I'd love to hear more though. I'll look into /etc/services and see if I find something there |
| 00:53.16 | rawruw | I got no such file :D |
| 00:53.30 | rawruw | nvm, im a retard |
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| 00:54.29 | rawruw | jelly: have you used xinetd before? |
| 00:54.44 | rawruw | you seem to know a lot. |
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| 00:55.54 | jelly | rawruw: I try to only answer questions about stuff I've used |
| 00:56.18 | Megaf | 00:53 <rawruw> nvm, im a retard |
| 00:56.23 | Megaf | You not alone, I'm too |
| 00:56.26 | jelly | what use is giving advice about something I've never tried |
| 00:56.54 | rawruw | jelly: see, I've been researching the relevance of xinetd for a couple of hours now. it seems .. outdated? Is it something you'd use still or have you moved on to something else in its place? |
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| 00:58.00 | rawruw | jelly: yeah, /etc/services was it, thanks! |
| 00:58.37 | scultist | ^ love that |
| 00:58.46 | scultist | you did it! |
| 00:59.29 | rawruw | I'd love to know if jelly has moved on from xinetd though. Would like a finger in the right direction. systemd does a lot of the things xinetd does. |
| 01:00.28 | CMakeIsWeird | Hi. This might be a bit general, but I can't quite wrap my head around how different versions of software are handled in Linux... It seems there can be only one "global" version, and if you need a different one it gets really messy? |
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| 01:00.37 | bazhang | rawruw, why does it matter who does what, just ask for what you need |
| 01:00.56 | Megaf | CMakeIsWeird: it depends |
| 01:01.10 | astronavt | CMakeIsWeird: for the most part yes |
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| 01:01.18 | Megaf | Libs usually have their versin written in their filenames |
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| 01:01.22 | astronavt | e.g. libraries with different versions usually have the version number in the filename |
| 01:01.29 | astronavt | e.g. libicu.58.so |
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| 01:01.33 | Megaf | so you can have multiple versions for libs |
| 01:01.37 | rawruw | bazhang: because if it was from you I'd never take any advice. If it's from jelly, I'd listen. who says what do matter. |
| 01:01.43 | Megaf | safe can be done for different versions of software |
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| 01:01.55 | Megaf | astronavt: you can have multiple versions ofr LibreOffice for example |
| 01:02.10 | Megaf | each one will have its version in the file name |
| 01:02.18 | Megaf | or its own directory |
| 01:02.21 | astronavt | i dont know why distros dont do that by default |
| 01:02.26 | astronavt | that's what friggin mac homebrew does |
| 01:02.32 | astronavt | if they can do it anyone ca |
| 01:02.33 | astronavt | can |
| 01:02.36 | CMakeIsWeird | Ok, but for development? My current problem is using a different Qt version with CMake and I'm going crazy... it's always using the "global" headers |
| 01:02.42 | astronavt | oh |
| 01:02.49 | Megaf | astronavt: why would you want that? |
| 01:02.51 | bazhang | astronavt, thats sort of what snappy is trying to do |
| 01:03.00 | astronavt | if you have qt in the source dir shouldnt it prefer those? |
| 01:03.02 | Megaf | and if you want that, then you are supposed to know how to do it |
| 01:03.10 | astronavt | npm does it |
| 01:03.13 | astronavt | ruby+bundler does it |
| 01:03.20 | astronavt | php+composer, python+virtualenv |
| 01:03.25 | bazhang | #snappy if you are interested astronavt |
| 01:03.26 | jelly | rawruw: any *inetd is pretty much deprecated by now, not many network-facing services are written to do stdin/stdout and be managed by inetd |
| 01:03.27 | Megaf | astronavt: the compilers, gcc for example. I always have like gcc4, 6 and 7 installed at the same time |
| 01:03.38 | Megaf | and maybe two different versions for clang |
| 01:03.43 | jelly | rawruw: any more. This was common 20 years ago. |
| 01:03.49 | astronavt | bazhang i know about snappy. theres also appimage right? and of course gobolinux |
| 01:03.53 | Megaf | so it depends on the guy who packages the system |
| 01:05.00 | astronavt | anyway......... how do i view journalctl logs without having systemd running? |
| 01:05.07 | astronavt | i can reliably boot into /bin/sh and that's it |
| 01:05.27 | astronavt | i might try uninstalling xfce and whatever login manager comes with it, to try and make dead sure that i can at least boot to the console |
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| 01:05.46 | astronavt | is there a way to install a DE while preventing the login manager from setting itself as the default? |
| 01:05.49 | n4dir | there really is no need to remove xfce for that |
| 01:06.07 | astronavt | well how do i stop it from booting into the login manager? it seems to be doing it even in single user mode |
| 01:06.36 | CMakeIsWeird | CMake Warning [...] Cannot generate a safe runtime search path for target. So I can override the default library as it seems. But in the actual compilation it always uses the headers from /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/, which are not C++11 compatible |
| 01:06.52 | klys | "display manager" |
| 01:07.03 | astronavt | yeah |
| 01:07.03 | astronavt | that |
| 01:07.21 | astronavt | how do i turn that off |
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| 01:07.28 | klys | so uninstall gdm3 or whatever |
| 01:07.44 | n4dir | my guess is that with systemd you do it in a similar manner you did it with sysv. |
| 01:07.59 | astronavt | can i do it without *uninstalling*? i mean i dont care that i have to uninstall as much as i just wanna have control over my own system |
| 01:08.44 | jelly | astronavt: mask the DM service |
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| 01:08.54 | astronavt | ah |
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| 01:09.01 | klys | mebby some obscure systemctl commands will help you. |
| 01:09.04 | astronavt | i dont have systemd running, init=/bin/sh |
| 01:09.11 | astronavt | so i guess ill just delete the symlink from |
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| 01:09.17 | astronavt | wherever the systemd symlinks live |
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| 01:09.29 | CMakeIsWeird | I guess making yet another Linux VM is the only option then. I have ~10 of them now, all due to version incompatibilites... Damn do I miss Windows. |
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| 01:09.43 | astronavt | CMakeIsWeird: that's a weird problem |
| 01:09.51 | astronavt | seems more like a cmake bug than a linux issue |
| 01:09.57 | astronavt | are you trying to statically link? |
| 01:10.07 | n4dir | if you don't use systemd, then the way the init system you use does it |
| 01:10.11 | CMakeIsWeird | Nope, dynamic |
| 01:10.16 | astronavt | cause you cant dynamically link and then expect it to find a lib that's local to your repo |
| 01:10.19 | astronavt | that just doesnt make sense |
| 01:10.21 | astronavt | same w/ a DLL |
| 01:10.41 | jelly | astronavt: deleting the symlink does not work with systemd, but symlinking to /dev/null does (and that's what systemctl mask ... does under the hood) |
| 01:10.42 | CMakeIsWeird | Sure, it fails at compiling. Linking works |
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| 01:10.52 | astronavt | n4dir: i'm using /bin/sh as my init because that's the only thing that'll boot. i'm not so hardcore that i don't need init |
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| 01:11.35 | rawruw | jelly: got any opinions on TCP Wrappers? My research has so far concluded that you rather want something in iptables, TCP Wrappers do the full handshake before they drop. |
| 01:11.35 | jelly | !nodm |
| 01:11.36 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 01:12.13 | astronavt | jelly: i'll try the set-default but this all still failed with target=multi-user.target |
| 01:12.21 | jelly | rawruw: please ask the whole channel, not just me. You want my personal advice, that's called consulting and does not come for free... |
| 01:13.07 | rawruw | jelly: I've got some CS-skins if you want them |
| 01:13.34 | jelly | are they convertible to EUR easily |
| 01:13.42 | bazhang | bitcoin |
| 01:13.59 | astronavt | ah |
| 01:14.00 | rawruw | yeah, if you have counter-strike installed :p |
| 01:14.19 | rawruw | probably worth 10â¬, probably not worth your time. |
| 01:14.32 | jelly | tcp wrappers are old as well |
| 01:15.23 | n4dir | end of month is near. for more than just a few europeans 10 ⬠are quite a bit right now ... |
| 01:16.15 | bazhang | which is completely against the spirit and ethos not only of debian, but freenode as a whole |
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| 01:17.17 | jelly | bazhang: being poor in EU? Agreed |
| 01:18.08 | rawruw | jelly: about that PM. I've seen him troll like this before. Aiming to cause fights, going off-topic like this etc. </end chasing jelly>. I'll do my best to repay you for your consulting. |
| 01:18.29 | bazhang | not what I meant, but I'm way out of place in even saying what I said, my apologies |
| 01:18.29 | astronavt | YES |
| 01:18.33 | astronavt | I GOT THE LOGIN SCREEN |
| 01:18.41 | astronavt | sweet sweet tty1 |
| 01:18.51 | astronavt | jelly thank you for that link |
| 01:18.57 | astronavt | thank you dpkg robot |
| 01:19.04 | bazhang | hehe |
| 01:19.25 | astronavt | so..... i guess i can use my macbook in console mode forever |
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| 01:19.38 | astronavt | i wonder if wayland works |
| 01:19.43 | rawruw | bazhang: since you are +g, ill say it in public. I believe you're a good person, but please avoid starting unecessary fights. Sometimes adults talk to each other and don't need a middle man making it worse. |
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| 01:20.39 | VentGrey | Hello, is this the apropriate channel to ask for some packaging errors? |
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| 01:21.35 | Sveta | yes |
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| 01:22.06 | n4dir | there seems to be the channel #packaging, irc.oftc.net, according to debian's page about it's irc channels, but i have never been there (that is: no idea how active it is). VentGrey |
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| 01:22.40 | n4dir | i would assume it ain't off-topic here, but don't know |
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| 01:24.02 | VentGrey | Well, im trying to package an icon theme but I get some rules error :c |
| 01:25.35 | sillyslux | VentGrey, did you look at other icon theme packages and how they're built? |
| 01:26.26 | VentGrey | Yes, I made a similar rules file, tho Idk why it doens't build whatsoever |
| 01:26.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:26.44 | jelly | !pate |
| 01:26.46 | jelly | !paste |
| 01:26.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:26.57 | VentGrey | o,o? |
| 01:27.19 | jelly | VentGrey: show the actual command you used and whole output of an attempted build |
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| 01:28.20 | jelly | if this channel cannot help, you'll have relevant info for irc://irc.oftc.net/#packaging ready |
| 01:29.01 | VentGrey | I'll provide a pastebin link |
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| 01:30.50 | VentGrey | http://paste.debian.net/996635/ |
| 01:30.58 | VentGrey | err..pastedebian |
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| 01:32.23 | sillyslux | fallo en las instrucciones para el objetivo lol |
| 01:33.02 | sillyslux | luckily chrome translates :) |
| 01:33.12 | n4dir | find can't find the directory. Did you run the find command from the commandline to verify? |
| 01:33.36 | VentGrey | Very sorry xD I have my system set to spanish |
| 01:33.48 | jelly | VentGrey: it vaguely looks as if something in the build process does not like spaces in directory names |
| 01:34.04 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 01:34.04 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 01:34.14 | VentGrey | well the command in the rules file says find $(CURDIR)/debian/obsidian-icon-theme -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod a-x |
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| 01:35.52 | jelly | looks like a bug. In the meantime, rename "/home/omar/Escritorio/Obsidian package" to "/home/omar/Escritorio/Obsidian package" |
| 01:35.56 | jelly | argh. |
| 01:36.06 | jelly | withOUT the space |
| 01:36.18 | jelly | and try again |
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| 01:36.45 | n4dir | probably using quotes would work too ? |
| 01:36.54 | astronavt | spaces and make do not go well |
| 01:37.08 | jelly | I have no idea where quotes are accepted in a Makefile |
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| 01:37.22 | astronavt | you have to be VERY defensive about quoting in makefiles you write |
| 01:37.22 | n4dir | yeah, renaming is probably the better choice |
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| 01:37.46 | astronavt | 9/10 makefiles i see dont have any quotes at all |
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| 01:40.32 | n4dir | VentGrey: the problem is clear now? |
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| 01:51.40 | VentGrey | I think I found the error |
| 01:52.14 | VentGrey | You see, the command was searching for an "obsidian" folder inside the debian directory |
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| 01:52.19 | VentGrey | which, doesn't exist |
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| 01:54.21 | VentGrey | also I tried jelly's solution |
| 01:54.30 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.32 | VentGrey | the "nospace" one |
| 01:54.58 | VentGrey | Yeah n4dir :C had to learn that the hard way |
| 01:58.19 | n4dir | :-) |
| 01:58.55 | n4dir | VentGrey: the "find" command was created automatically, or is it from you? |
| 01:59.14 | VentGrey | I based myself in similar control files |
| 01:59.34 | VentGrey | the automatic control file just has a dh $@ |
| 02:00.05 | n4dir | thing is: file and folder names with spaces don't sound like an unusual problem. |
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| 02:02.27 | n4dir | in bash the "solution" is to use quotes, but i got no clue of Makefiles. |
| 02:02.35 | astronavt | put quotes in the makefil |
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| 02:02.36 | astronavt | e |
| 02:02.41 | astronavt | as if you were putting it in the shell |
| 02:02.44 | astronavt | make ignores quotes entirely |
| 02:02.50 | astronavt | so they will be passed verbating |
| 02:02.51 | VentGrey | It does? |
| 02:02.53 | astronavt | verbatim |
| 02:02.53 | astronavt | yes |
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| 02:03.05 | VentGrey | Didn't knew about that |
| 02:03.13 | astronavt | afaik the only special characters in make are $, (, ), :, <tab>, and \ |
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| 02:03.37 | astronavt | $ needs to be doubled in order not to expand the following word as a variable |
| 02:03.48 | astronavt | actually a macro |
| 02:03.58 | astronavt | everything in make is a macro |
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| 02:04.25 | astronavt | oh and = is special too |
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| 02:04.56 | jelly | debian/rules |
| 02:07.50 | VentGrey | Well, he was right |
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| 02:07.59 | VentGrey | makefile DOES ignore those |
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| 04:06.00 | astronav_ | well.... i guess tmux is enough of a desktop environment for me |
| 04:08.36 | rant | heh |
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| 04:09.07 | rant | tmux is not even close to a DE.. its a terminal multiplexer that at most could be equated to a WM |
| 04:09.22 | rant | well I suppose you could also call it a session manager |
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| 04:10.21 | astronavt | "when all you have is a hammer..." |
| 04:10.59 | astronavt | idk if you saw but i've been struggling to get either X or Wayland to start on my 2011 MBP |
| 04:11.09 | piklu | I want to make servers, like build fully functional servers - all packages installed, configs done etc. What is the right tool here ? ansible, chef, vagrant etc.... |
| 04:11.12 | rant | whats an MBP? |
| 04:11.13 | piklu | Please guide. |
| 04:11.18 | astronavt | macbook pro |
| 04:11.20 | piklu | rant : Macbook pro |
| 04:11.30 | astronavt | piklu docker probably tbh |
| 04:11.35 | rant | oh fantastic..more acronyms |
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| 04:11.47 | somiaj | piklu: a lot depends on what sort of systems you are working on. puppet is another thing to look at. |
| 04:11.49 | astronavt | at least it's not a _new_ acronym |
| 04:12.00 | piklu | astronavt : Actually want to build a scalable docker cluster / kubernetes, so need something that logs into servers and does all the work |
| 04:12.28 | rant | astronavt: no I didnt follow your issue. what was the gist of the issue? graphics related? |
| 04:12.31 | somiaj | piklu: but there are various systems out there to manage/update/configure multiple machines. |
| 04:12.57 | piklu | somiaj : Yes ansible is one of them, what is better, more easy and has various prebuild stuff to be used |
| 04:13.07 | astronavt | rant: the issue was/is that, whenever graphics start, the whole system freezes |
| 04:13.20 | astronavt | the screen is black except for an underscore in the top left, not blinking |
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| 04:13.27 | astronavt | can't switch TTYs |
| 04:13.37 | astronavt | nothing but sysreq magic will shut it down |
| 04:13.59 | astronavt | i fixed it by going in as single-user and disabling the display mgr |
| 04:14.06 | somiaj | piklu: maybe ask back during more normal office hours to get memebers who have experience with such software. I hear good things about puppet. As for what is better, it may depend more on your use case. |
| 04:14.19 | piklu | Ok |
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| 04:14.51 | astronavt | piklu since it's not debian specific you could ask one of the sysadmin related channels, or search reddit |
| 04:15.14 | astronavt | or heck just install them and test them out |
| 04:15.19 | piklu | astronavt : which channel ? |
| 04:15.31 | wr | any soon https://keepassxc.org/ on the official packages? |
| 04:15.35 | astronavt | idk, theres probably like a sysadmin channel... check /list |
| 04:15.36 | rant | austin987: as I understand this system has what some AMD/ATI graphics but also has intel gfx through the CPU? |
| 04:15.46 | rant | astronavt: ^ |
| 04:15.50 | astronavt | yes |
| 04:16.02 | astronavt | it's got intel integrated and radeon discrete |
| 04:16.17 | astronavt | there were known problems with the graphics switching in this model but iirc this one was inspected and it's clean |
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| 04:16.32 | astronavt | however it did have *other* problems, and was actually salvaged from the e-waste bin by a trip to the apple store |
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| 04:16.44 | rant | astronavt: had you tried the disabling the AMD grapics at boot? |
| 04:16.48 | astronavt | i suspect something is broken in graphics switching |
| 04:16.52 | astronavt | yea i haven't figured out how |
| 04:17.04 | rant | ah well that much I think I can help with ;) |
| 04:17.09 | astronavt | something something efi variables. i said screw it and started messing with my dotfiles |
| 04:17.16 | astronavt | oh? |
| 04:17.40 | awal1 | how can I reproduce 3d mouse button functions (close tabs, open links in new tabs...) in touchpad, ideally with 2 fingers, since 1 finger I use it for tapping? |
| 04:17.50 | astronavt | i tried nomodeset, that doesnt fix it |
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| 04:18.28 | rant | astronavt: na it seems way more involved than that |
| 04:18.37 | astronavt | i see |
| 04:18.46 | astronavt | unfortunately journalctl was empty when i rebooted |
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| 04:19.18 | rant | astronavt: https://orville.thebennettproject.com/articles/installing-buntu-14-04-Its-on-a-2011-macbook-pro/ |
| 04:19.30 | rant | astronavt: see step 3 and the bits in step2 about outb |
| 04:20.07 | rant | astronavt: seems this user has gone through quite the ordeal with this issue.. heh. Let me know if that helps, we'll make a factoid for it |
| 04:20.47 | rant | hmm I made a typo in that url it seems :P |
| 04:21.14 | rant | astronavt: https://orville.thebennettproject.com/articles/installing-ubuntu-14-04-Its-on-a-2011-macbook-pro/ |
| 04:21.35 | astronavt | you swapped "l" (ell) and "I" (eye) too ;) |
| 04:22.10 | rant | bah made a typo again |
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| 04:22.27 | astronavt | ahhh cryptic incantations |
| 04:22.37 | astronavt | cause i totally know what i915.lvds_channel_mode=2 means! |
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| 04:23.04 | rant | yes well it seems you have to actually disable the AMD first which is the cryptic part |
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| 04:23.51 | rant | astronavt: I'm on an orangepilite and its very constrained so I use links2 and its not very copy-paste friendly |
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| 04:24.02 | rant | so I wind up hand typing links.. its annoying :P |
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| 04:25.58 | astronavt | tmux :D |
| 04:26.06 | astronavt | copy mode |
| 04:26.26 | rant | yes screens copy works but I often use links2 in graphical mode |
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| 04:26.48 | astronavt | didnt know it had one |
| 04:27.04 | rant | oh yeah, links2 -g runs it in an X11 graphical mode |
| 04:27.12 | astronavt | nothing like entering raw hex deep inside a file i do not understand |
| 04:27.20 | astronavt | cool |
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| 04:27.27 | astronavt | maybe one day when i get x11 going i'll try it |
| 04:27.29 | astronavt | lol |
| 04:27.30 | rant | well actually I think it can run graphically on console FB too |
| 04:27.35 | astronavt | really now |
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| 04:27.49 | astronavt | can i watch youtube in the console? |
| 04:27.55 | astronavt | that'd be mind-bending |
| 04:28.22 | astronavt | imagine a text-mode browser with full JS support... but i'm getting off-topic now |
| 04:28.33 | rant | other than the copy/paste thing its a really nice browser.. unlike most text type browsers it not only rendered graphics well but also renders elements in the right order.. many text browsers cant even render plain ol google right.. it puts the buttons in the wrong place |
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| 04:28.55 | rant | yeah well the JS is the part that really makes the magic smoke come out of this opi lite |
| 04:29.07 | astronavt | rant thats good to know. i've been getting annoyed with lynx and w3m |
| 04:29.10 | astronavt | ugh. js |
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| 04:29.53 | rant | well this thing only has 512MB ram and my crappy mali400 takes 16mb of it so.. |
| 04:30.01 | astronavt | ouc |
| 04:30.06 | astronavt | i miss web 1.0 |
| 04:30.23 | astronavt | design, that is |
| 04:30.25 | astronavt | i do not miss IE 6 |
| 04:31.02 | rant | yeah I miss being abel to use old hardware.. everything is just so bloated anymore even if you use a really old OS you still can't really do much on a network or internet |
| 04:31.15 | astronavt | yeah, thats whats funny |
| 04:31.27 | astronavt | i'm on a 2.something GHz processor w/ like 4 gigs of ram |
| 04:31.30 | astronavt | and yet, if i go on a website |
| 04:31.38 | astronavt | it's kinda rough |
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| 04:32.20 | astronavt | it's not that bad cause this machine was top end back in the day, but its starting to show its age. more in the compatibility side though. like safari just can't handle most JS-ey sites |
| 04:32.27 | ryouma | astronavt: if it is anything like my core 2 quad those are only 3x slower than top end consumer cpu for single-thraeded performance |
| 04:32.53 | rant | yeah I think this machine my father uses as a desktop and I use as a shell is like 2.8ghz Core2Duo w/ 4GB ram and it can be choaked by FF on some sites |
| 04:32.55 | ryouma | at least according to benchmarks |
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| 04:33.20 | rant | ah no, its the E8400 its 3ghz |
| 04:33.33 | ryouma | mine is like 2.4 |
| 04:33.51 | ryouma | and it is slow, but i figure new processors are not much faster, and less secure |
| 04:33.54 | astronavt | yeah, its amazing all the hoops browser devs have had to jump through just to render websites corrctly |
| 04:34.32 | astronavt | its a shame java was so riddled with security holes, imagine java on the browser today |
| 04:34.38 | rant | I had to completely disassemble and refurb this machine.. it was formerly used in an industrial setting.. was packed full of debris.. its one of those tiny dell opti type boxes that is built more like a laptop.. got all but the laptop-sized CD drive working |
| 04:34.41 | astronavt | although apparently V8 is crazy fast now |
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| 04:34.57 | astronavt | oh yeah like one of those things that powers POS systems and stuff |
| 04:35.12 | astronavt | how much power does something like that use |
| 04:35.37 | rant | idk for certain but I would guess its PS is not even 300W |
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| 04:37.54 | astronavt | what's the best way to connect to wifi from the console |
| 04:37.58 | astronavt | would like to unplug ethernet now |
| 04:39.01 | rant | I just removed n-m on here and do it all in /etc/network/interfaces for simplicity.. but wpa_supplicant, iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient are the kinds of tools you'd use |
| 04:39.09 | rant | n-m has a cli though IIRC |
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| 04:40.38 | astronavt | hm. i see on the debian wiki there are a ton of options |
| 04:41.03 | astronavt | not just for wifi |
| 04:41.03 | many | Salut debhelper,ppp,systemd et tout le monde |
| 04:41.10 | rant | yeah wicd is nice as far as its interfaces and being written in python but sadly I recommend staying away from it |
| 04:41.11 | astronavt | what an odd thing to have proliferate |
| 04:41.13 | rant | !fr |
| 04:41.13 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 04:41.53 | many | ok fr...sorry ;) |
| 04:42.29 | rant | yeah this is an english speaking channel. I studied french for all of 6 weeks some 22 years ago :P |
| 04:42.40 | astronavt | ok so avoid wicd. i tend to be leery of python programs in general, idk why. they tend to be slow in my experience |
| 04:43.08 | astronavt | and no man pages, they never come with man pages and just dump it all into --help |
| 04:43.12 | rant | astronavt: I like python programs because python is easy to read and hack around.. but this one tends to be buggy |
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| 04:43.45 | rant | I was having regular wifi crashes trying to use it on this OPI lite, when I got rid of wicd the crashes stopped |
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| 04:43.53 | astronavt | ah |
| 04:44.22 | astronavt | so there's ifupdown, or networkmanager |
| 04:44.28 | rant | now grated my driver is a little buggy too.. but I've had issues with wicd on other machines too |
| 04:44.59 | astronavt | fair |
| 04:45.56 | rant | its a matter of if you need something automated or not.. I use xfinitywifi hostpots and my machine isnt really a mobile.. but even if I do take it somewhere else I'm still using the same network.. all their APs are called the same thing and use the same login.. so.. for me its simpler to just configure a static interfaces file and use ifup/ifdown |
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| 04:46.17 | astronavt | how can i distinguish between "manually" and "automatically" installed in dpkg/apt ? |
| 04:46.19 | astronavt | ha that works |
| 04:46.34 | astronavt | yeah i did that once when i installed arch, but it got old really fast |
| 04:47.01 | astronavt | i almost started writing zsh scripts to automate it, when i realized i should just yknow, install the software that does it for me |
| 04:47.19 | astronavt | anyway thanks for the link, hopefully it'll work when i reboot. too scared to try right now |
| 04:47.59 | rant | astronavt: yes, well if it does solve the issue it'd be good if we make a factoid in the bot with the solution |
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| 04:48.28 | rant | I personally think it'd be better if the actual solution was in the factoid rather than that link.. as the link has a bunch of other stuff in it |
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| 04:49.31 | astronavt | ok, well i'll report back on it either way |
| 04:49.48 | astronavt | shame to lose a whole gfx car |
| 04:49.50 | astronavt | card |
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| 04:50.02 | astronavt | what do yall think of systemd-networkd ? |
| 04:50.31 | rant | yeah well if that card isn't gonna work, its not a huge loss |
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| 04:51.18 | rant | pretty much how I feel about this mali400.. heh.. I notice no performance gain with it properly configured or not |
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| 05:01.02 | astronavt | hm. nmcli device show -> no wifi device shown |
| 05:01.04 | astronavt | ugh |
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| 05:02.42 | somiaj | astronavt: do you have the non-free firmware installed for the wifi device (most require it and the firmware is not installed by default in debian because it is non-free) |
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| 05:06.25 | astronavt | i thought so |
| 05:06.36 | astronavt | im on the wireless.kernel.org wiki rn |
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| 05:07.54 | astronavt | wtf why is wl installing emacs |
| 05:08.00 | astronavt | what. |
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| 05:12.56 | somiaj | astronavt: what wireless chipset are you using? And I would suggest checking the debian wiki for info on what firmware package to isntall for your chipset. |
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| 05:14.28 | somiaj | astronavt: wl - mail/news reader supporting IMAP for emacsen -- it is a reader for emacs, so not suprised it depends and install emacs. |
| 05:15.01 | astronavt | i see thanks |
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| 05:19.42 | rant | not to be confused with wl.ko the wireless driver |
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| 05:20.54 | somiaj | astronavt: most likely all you are missing is the firmware, if you let us know what chipset you are using we can let you know what firmware package to isntall. |
| 05:21.01 | [S] | do apt-get download .deb files and install them with dpkg? |
| 05:21.23 | [S] | not any other kind of filetype of the downloaded packets there? |
| 05:21.36 | somiaj | [S]: yes, apt-get is a front end to dpkg that also knows about places to get packages (And how to resolve dependencies) |
| 05:21.41 | rant | [S]: apt / apt-get / aptitude etc.. can install them as well, and have to be told specifically to download only |
| 05:22.38 | somiaj | [S]: I would suggest using apt over apt-get, and other file types will be downloaded with 'apt update', such as release files and checksums, so not only .debs are downloaded. Though mostly in terms of a user stand point, yes apt will figure out dependencies, download all the .deb files, and install them on your system. |
| 05:22.40 | rant | typical usage they fetch the package, all dependencies, unpack, and set them up all in one install command |
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| 05:23.48 | [S] | somiaj: is apt a new thing? |
| 05:24.02 | [S] | somiaj: I've already used apt-get, haven't heard any news about apt |
| 05:24.25 | somiaj | yes, apt is meant to be a more user tool that tries to simplify and combine apt-get and apt-cache into a single command |
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| 05:25.13 | astronavt | somiaj it's BMC4331 |
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| 05:25.17 | somiaj | It is the standard tool suggested to users. apt-get is still around, but it is a more complicated tool that can be used in scripts. |
| 05:25.27 | astronavt | i already tried b43-fwcutter |
| 05:25.41 | astronavt | modprobe -v b43 worked |
| 05:25.51 | astronavt | but no wireless device is found |
| 05:25.58 | rant | astronavt: did you check dmesg after modprobe? |
| 05:26.09 | astronavt | no |
| 05:26.12 | astronavt | ill do it now |
| 05:26.16 | somiaj | astronavt: oh it is a broadcom chip, yea the 'wl' driver is most likley what you need, but it is one of the cases that you have to do more work than install the firmware. This might help |
| 05:26.23 | somiaj | astronavt: https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 05:26.51 | somiaj | it just might be the newer card should use the wl driver over the older b43 driver. But the easiest way to get these to work on debian is to already have a wired connection to install from. |
| 05:29.07 | somiaj | nevrmind, wl is the vedor driver, while b43 is the driver in the kernel, as rant suggest check dmesg after you installed the driver and check for errors/warnings |
| 05:29.34 | astronavt | eh i dont mind using non free software from 6 years ago, the whole machine is non free |
| 05:29.48 | astronavt | im following the instructions on that wiki page though |
| 05:31.03 | astronavt | huh |
| 05:31.10 | astronavt | sudo modprobe -v wl |
| 05:31.18 | astronavt | actually popped out an error in the terminal, right at my cursor |
| 05:31.24 | astronavt | ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status |
| 05:32.17 | astronavt | wlp3s0: link is not ready |
| 05:32.20 | astronavt | that was in dmesg |
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| 05:36.11 | Rusty1_ | what does rfkill list wifi return, as root |
| 05:36.16 | Rusty1_ | soz |
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| 07:24.40 | egdhgfbv | Morning |
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| 07:25.35 | egdhgfbv | I'm trying to setup VNC server on Stretch boot/start (before user login), but none of the found alternatives seems to work |
| 07:25.49 | egdhgfbv | so |
| 07:26.39 | egdhgfbv | can anyone help me setup a boot enabled VNC service on my computer in order to allow me login as any user on the computer remotely? (ie: not starting VNC at user's logon) |
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| 07:32.17 | debian775 | hi there, urgent problem: /init 227: logsave: not found; the root filesystem on /dev/sda1 requires a manual fsck; modprobe: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep, debian 8.9 |
| 07:32.29 | bryanfromchina | Hi, I am trying to install a package, and I get: depends: libpng12-0 buy it is not installable |
| 07:32.48 | bazhang | what package |
| 07:32.55 | bazhang | what version of debian |
| 07:33.32 | bryanfromchina | Wps |
| 07:33.51 | bazhang | is that the package name? |
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| 07:35.12 | bryanfromchina | Full name is wps-office_10.1.0.5707~a21_i386.deb |
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| 07:35.37 | rant | so in other words this is a 3rd party package? |
| 07:35.39 | matpower | Seems like libpng12 is only available for jessie (and sid as an arm64 port) https://packages.debian.org/pt-br/jessie/libpng12-0 |
| 07:36.07 | matpower | So either your wps-office package is too old or it is not compatible with stretch |
| 07:36.52 | bryanfromchina | Bummer :/ |
| 07:37.03 | rant | ,depends libpng12-0 |
| 07:37.04 | judd | No package named 'libpng12-0' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 07:37.12 | rant | ,depends libpng12-0 sid |
| 07:37.13 | judd | No package named 'libpng12-0' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 07:37.29 | bryanfromchina | I am using a 32 bit version of Debian |
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| 07:37.55 | rant | ,depends libpng12-0 jessie |
| 07:37.56 | judd | Package libpng12-0 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4),multiarch-support. |
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| 07:38.44 | debian775 | guys? |
| 07:38.48 | sulit | can I ask a qestion? |
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| 07:39.05 | bryanfromchina | So I'm out of luck? |
| 07:39.07 | bazhang | sure |
| 07:39.10 | matpower | debian775, did you try fscking? |
| 07:39.15 | rant | sulit: you just did.. try again |
| 07:39.37 | sulit | do debian have a package build system like the fedora koji? |
| 07:39.39 | rant | bryanfromchina: probably not.. a png library is hardly something that'd stop you from installing a package |
| 07:39.52 | debian775 | yes i did |
| 07:40.04 | debian775 | and it can't find fsck.ext4 |
| 07:40.10 | debian775 | on /dev/sda1 |
| 07:40.27 | matpower | Are you fscking from the broken OS? |
| 07:40.44 | themill | sulit: you might need to tell us what koji is |
| 07:40.51 | debian775 | tried from the rescue debian usb to the same effect |
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| 07:41.08 | matpower | bryanfromchina, you could try to forceinstall it or something like flatpak |
| 07:41.30 | sulit | themill: koji is the fedora package build system |
| 07:41.54 | themill | sulit: assume I read your original question and it wasn't enlightening... |
| 07:42.23 | themill | "build system" means so many different things |
| 07:42.55 | sulit | themill: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ |
| 07:43.00 | rant | bryanfromchina: I dont see any reason you couldn't just install libpng12-0 from jessie, its depends are fairly light and since its an older dist which no newer package exists it is highly unlikely to cause package system breakage |
| 07:43.02 | matpower | debian775, hmm, there are three different problems if I am reading it correctly |
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| 07:43.28 | matpower | It seems to be lacking a module, /dev/sda1 wants a fsck and something with logsave |
| 07:43.31 | themill | sulit: I still don't know what it does. Perhaps buildd.debian.org is what you are looking for |
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| 07:43.38 | bryanfromchina | How vs I install linpng12-0? |
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| 07:43.47 | debian775 | so, what should i do? |
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| 07:44.05 | sulit | themill: yes |
| 07:44.20 | rant | bryanfromchina: I'd just manually satisfy that dependency by grabbing the package from a mirror and installing it with dpkg/gdebi or such |
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| 07:44.37 | matpower | You either compile it from source and use checkinstall or you could try mixing Debian releases (which is not really recommended) |
| 07:44.58 | debian775 | any command list/script? |
| 07:45.33 | sulit | themill: how do wanna-build to recieve package build request? |
| 07:45.43 | matpower | Hmm, for the module ehci-orion, I think you can regen your initramfs |
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| 07:45.56 | themill | sulit: the maintainer uploads the package |
| 07:46.26 | egdhgfbv | I'm trying to setup VNC server on Stretch boot/start (before user login), but none of the found alternatives seems to work. Anyone could help? |
| 07:46.47 | themill | (or a team member requests a package to be rebuilt to pick up different dependencies) |
| 07:46.48 | debian775 | i think i've tried regenning that from rescue usb to no effect |
| 07:46.52 | sulit | themill: oh, I understood it a little. |
| 07:46.56 | sulit | themill: thanks |
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| 07:47.46 | matpower | egdhgfbv, couldn't you start it as a systemd service during boot? I haven't messed too much with VNC, so it is a wild guess |
| 07:48.07 | themill | sulit: have a look at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rosegarden and https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=rosegarden for instance |
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| 07:49.01 | rant | bryanfromchina: the more important question however is why you wouldnt just use one of the many office suites in debian like libreoffice |
| 07:49.23 | sulit | themill: thank you very much |
| 07:49.28 | themill | sulit: the +b1 details at https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=python-numpy&suite=sid |
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| 07:49.55 | matpower | WPS Suite for Linux seems dead too |
| 07:50.09 | egdhgfbv | matpower: that's what I'm trying, but I'm unable to make it work |
| 07:50.14 | debian775 | sigh :( |
| 07:50.14 | bazhang | is he on kylin by chance |
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| 07:50.30 | matpower | debian775, quick question, what command are you using for fsck? |
| 07:50.34 | sulit | themill: ok, I try it later on my stretch. thanks |
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| 07:50.59 | bazhang | shpingrlde, bot? |
| 07:50.59 | debian775 | fsck -y /dev/sda1 |
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| 07:52.16 | themill | sulit: I doubt there's much that you can "try". |
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| 07:53.03 | matpower | debian775, Also does your rescue usb has fsck package? (I think it is e2fsprogs) |
| 07:53.29 | jcarpenter2 | thanks guys, my DNS setup is working now |
| 07:53.46 | jcarpenter2 | thanks jelly |
| 07:53.49 | debian775 | well, it's a regular debian image (dvd1) on a usb so it should |
| 07:54.08 | debian775 | (in a rescue mode) |
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| 07:55.19 | bryaninchina | Sorry disconnected |
| 07:55.43 | matpower | @egdhgfbv, check TigerVNC and its Arch Wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TigerVNC#Starting_and_stopping_vncserver_via_systemd |
| 07:57.09 | bryaninchina | Libreiffice doesn't really suit my needs, I wanted to try an alternative |
| 07:57.13 | matpower | Do a 'sudo fdisk -l' then and see if /dev/sda1 is indeed your OS disk |
| 07:57.33 | bazhang | bryaninchina, is that kylin? |
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| 07:58.46 | matpower | bryaninchina, check calligra or abiword/gnumeric then |
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| 07:59.41 | bryaninchina | I'm just using Debian with lxde |
| 07:59.53 | bryaninchina | I mainly need the presentation software |
| 08:00.01 | bazhang | so abiword would work a treat |
| 08:00.10 | bazhang | aha |
| 08:00.26 | bryaninchina | Abiword wasn't working well, strange flickering |
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| 08:00.33 | sulit | themill: it's complex rather than what I think. |
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| 08:01.26 | bryaninchina | I'm a teacher, so the presentation software will be used daily |
| 08:01.41 | matpower | Calligra might be worth checking it out, unless you hate the KDE apps suite |
| 08:02.10 | bryaninchina | Will that be faster than impress? |
| 08:02.21 | bazhang | no |
| 08:02.34 | bryaninchina | I was looking for something more lightweight |
| 08:02.51 | matpower | Otherwise, you could try an older version of MSOffice on Wine if you can't find a proper alternative |
| 08:03.05 | bazhang | but you want something powerpoint-ish |
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| 08:03.16 | matpower | I have no idea if Calligra is lighter :/ |
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| 08:04.21 | matpower | I only use Krita from its suite |
| 08:04.22 | CyberManifest | bryaninchina: might try "Spice-Up", but I think you'll have to grab it from the elementary OS repos. |
| 08:04.36 | blessedekko | have you considered googledocs? |
| 08:05.17 | matpower | If they are running lxde and wants something lighter than LO, I wonder if a JavaScript-filled webapp would do the trick |
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| 08:06.09 | blessedekko | lol |
| 08:06.13 | bryaninchina | Googledocs won't work in china |
| 08:06.30 | blessedekko | pptview with googledocs may work |
| 08:06.37 | blessedekko | ah...not from china |
| 08:07.18 | bryaninchina | I'll try to figure out the libpng thing |
| 08:07.28 | blessedekko | sorry for cutting in. just caught the last bit. |
| 08:07.32 | CyberManifest | bryaninchina: did you see my comment? |
| 08:07.41 | bryaninchina | I'll try these alternative suggestions as well |
| 08:07.53 | matpower | bryaninchina, you could try disabling Java on LibreOffice too: http://i.imgur.com/KD05Ms7.png |
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| 08:08.07 | matpower | It might break some functionality, but it will be a bit faster and light |
| 08:08.09 | bryaninchina | Spice-Up, I'll try |
| 08:08.11 | matpower | lighter* |
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| 08:08.29 | bryaninchina | Ok, I'll give it a try |
| 08:08.34 | bryaninchina | Thanks :) |
| 08:08.38 | matpower | Otherwise, get a copy of MSOffice 2003 or 2007, should be light enough and works alright on Wine |
| 08:09.38 | blessedekko | libreofficeportable.org may be something to consider |
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| 08:10.35 | CyberManifest | bryaninchina: here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/JFKBLgq |
| 08:10.44 | bryaninchina | I have to go, but I will be trying all of these until I find a good fit |
| 08:10.50 | bryaninchina | Thanks :) |
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| 08:12.12 | blessedekko | take care and best of luck! |
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| 08:22.41 | OnceMe | how would I start nginx on boot at debian stretch? |
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| 08:24.53 | nku | OnceMe: it should auto-start automatically, unless there is an error |
| 08:25.09 | nku | which can happen e.g. if port 80 is already used, with the default config |
| 08:25.31 | OnceMe | Im inside the docker container |
| 08:25.40 | OnceMe | I guess my pid 1 is utilize by docker itself, and not by systemd |
| 08:25.49 | nku | the docker container? |
| 08:25.54 | OnceMe | thus cannot run any systemctl cmds and start boot scripts |
| 08:25.57 | nku | there should be no systemd in docker |
| 08:26.02 | OnceMe | yeah debian stretch |
| 08:26.03 | nku | in pid 1 should be nginx, if an nginx image |
| 08:26.22 | OnceMe | yeah it is |
| 08:26.30 | OnceMe | but how do I start rest of service on boot? like mysql etc.. |
| 08:26.36 | nku | sounds like should be asking in #docker |
| 08:27.01 | blessedekko | im going through the same thing at the moment OnceMe |
| 08:27.26 | nku | go to #docker, the question is fundamentally wrong |
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| 08:30.33 | blessedekko | #systemctl enable nginx.service |
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| 08:30.51 | blessedekko | if its working manually already |
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| 08:33.25 | blessedekko | have you checked journalctl? |
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| 09:01.19 | jelly | OnceMe: if pid 1 is not systemctl or sysvinit, you probably don't have enough of an OS inside to call it debian. You probably want to run each service in a separate container, then |
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| 09:01.48 | jelly | er, systemd* or sysvinit |
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| 09:09.49 | RoyK | jelly: on jessie, I checked, and it's called /sbin/init in the process table, but then, # file /sbin/init â···························· |
| 09:09.55 | RoyK | /sbin/init: symbolic link to /lib/systemd/systemd |
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| 09:10.28 | jelly | that'd be fine |
| 09:10.32 | RoyK | yeah |
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| 09:11.55 | ertes-w | is it possible to figure out which packages include a certain file given its path? |
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| 09:12.24 | RoyK | dpkg -S file |
| 09:12.24 | dpkg | Package: file: Status: install ok installed |
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| 09:18.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell ertes-w -about apt-file |
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| 09:20.19 | ertes-w | thanks |
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| 09:49.02 | ahmed_ | excuse me , the version of plasma-desktop on debian stretch is 5.8.6 and kde released version 5.8.8 so is debian planning to update plasma to at least version 5.8.7 ? |
| 09:50.31 | bazhang | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 09:50.32 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.10.5-2; sid: 4:5.10.5-2 |
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| 09:58.35 | bazhang | hi |
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| 09:59.38 | mrr0butt | is it possible to build a executable from debian sources absolutly static as one stand alone file? |
| 09:59.50 | mrr0butt | *source pkg |
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| 10:02.34 | mrr0butt | it would be awesome if i could build a standalone znc executable, tried whole flags out CXXFLAG=' -static' LDFLAG... |
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| 10:03.32 | mrr0butt | with the flags znc executble was 2x as big as without but it still complains about missing libs |
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| 10:03.33 | rindolf | Hi all! I am using my debian Stretch partition on a Core i3 Sandy Bridge machine and "apt -y dist-upgrade" seems much slower than urpmi on my mageia v7 partition. Can anyone tell me why? |
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| 10:05.13 | improbablywrong | theyre likely throttling the speed to handle the bandwith more affordably |
| 10:05.52 | rindolf | improbablywrong: who are you talking to? |
| 10:05.57 | improbablywrong | you |
| 10:06.02 | rindolf | improbablywrong: ah |
| 10:06.37 | mrr0butt | you talking to me? YOU TALKING TO ME? |
| 10:06.41 | mrr0butt | :3 |
| 10:06.41 | rindolf | improbablywrong: well, it is not a bandwidth problem - the packages all finished dloading |
| 10:06.42 | improbablywrong | thats what ive gathered. some repos are absolutely terrible insofar as download speed |
| 10:06.47 | improbablywrong | oh |
| 10:07.06 | rindolf | improbablywrong: the mirror is very close |
| 10:07.07 | mrr0butt | o.k my question was not well formuled |
| 10:07.45 | mrr0butt | im sure that its possible build onefile standalone executables |
| 10:07.56 | themill | rindolf: dpkg goes to great care to sync to disk so that things aren't borked if there's a power outage or crash during the upgrade. That makes it slower than the raw disk speed |
| 10:08.07 | mrr0butt | is there any wrapper or Makefile parser for this |
| 10:08.57 | mrr0butt | or maybe somebody could give me advice what should be parsed |
| 10:09.10 | themill | 6 |
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| 10:10.43 | mrr0butt | 42 |
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| 10:12.38 | rindolf | themill: ok, still seems very slow |
| 10:13.00 | oo_miguel | I installed steam on stretch with proprietary nvidia on 64bit arch and it reports that I am missing the 32-bit version of libGL.so.1. Anybody knows how I can fix these issue/ |
| 10:13.03 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 10:13.26 | SirLagz | oo_miguel: did you install the nVidia drivers from nVidia themselves? |
| 10:13.44 | oo_miguel | SirLagz: As far as I remember I use the one from debians repo |
| 10:13.56 | mrr0butt | steam depends on i386 packages |
| 10:14.06 | mrr0butt | you need to install it |
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| 10:14.43 | mrr0butt | you could try "apt-get install pkgname:arch" |
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| 10:15.12 | mrr0butt | you also will propably need "non-free" and "contrib" repos |
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| 10:15.28 | SirLagz | oo_miguel: probably need to install the i386 nvidia libraries too |
| 10:15.30 | oo_miguel | libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx : Conflicts: libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 10:15.56 | oo_miguel | exactly. It will deinstall the 64bit version |
| 10:16.35 | mrr0butt | same package other arch will always conflict :3 |
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| 10:18.02 | mrr0butt | i would recommend you to make separate partition with own debian only for steam |
| 10:18.04 | SirLagz | mrr0butt: eh? I've got multiple archs installed |
| 10:18.14 | SirLagz | oo_miguel: have you enabled multiarch in Debian? |
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| 10:18.18 | jelly | oo_miguel: you want to install matching amd64 and i386 packages, so if you're switching to glvnd with amd64, you also need to switch with i386 |
| 10:18.26 | oo_miguel | SirLagz: yes |
| 10:18.38 | oo_miguel | mrr0butt: this wil require me to reboot every time I want to run steam right? |
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| 10:19.00 | SirLagz | oo_miguel: you don't need to have a separate partition for Steam. I've got Steam installed on my x64 box just fine |
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| 10:19.08 | mrr0butt | yeah but it will make steam run smoother and solve pkg conflicts |
| 10:19.30 | SirLagz | mrr0butt: there aren't any package conflicts...and how would it make steam run smoother? |
| 10:19.31 | oo_miguel | jelly: Ok so I will try to switch the nvidia driver etc.. i386 all together |
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| 10:20.25 | mrr0butt | with a minimal debian installation with only stuff you need to play games on steam |
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| 10:21.09 | mrr0butt | blackbox windowmanger or something like that |
| 10:21.20 | mrr0butt | not a full blown desktop |
| 10:21.23 | oo_miguel | I have xmonad which is extremely lightway anyway |
| 10:21.23 | SirLagz | right. |
| 10:21.42 | oo_miguel | and i can not accept rebooting each time I want to play a few minutes |
| 10:22.22 | mrr0butt | this is part of the ritual |
| 10:22.25 | mrr0butt | :3 |
| 10:22.25 | SirLagz | yeah, if you're going to run a separate partition *just* for steam, might as well run windows :P |
| 10:22.38 | oo_miguel | SirLagz: haha yeah exactlu |
| 10:22.52 | oo_miguel | I run steam in windows right now, which forces me to reboot each time I want to play |
| 10:23.04 | SirLagz | yeah, I stopped running Windows many moons ago |
| 10:23.20 | oo_miguel | I run it for games only since a few years |
| 10:23.43 | oo_miguel | but finally wanted to switch to linux for gaming since steam supports many games on linux nowadays |
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| 10:24.41 | SirLagz | yeah, Linux supports most of the games I play on Steam |
| 10:24.47 | SirLagz | and has done for many years now |
| 10:24.54 | mrr0butt | love steam for porting evrything to linux |
| 10:25.09 | frazr | only game i've played on steam that ran decently was dota2 |
| 10:25.10 | oo_miguel | hmm is this really steam? |
| 10:25.11 | gpunk | they even have their own linux distro |
| 10:25.18 | oo_miguel | I doubt they do the porting |
| 10:25.33 | mrr0butt | 2/3 steam games can be played on linux |
| 10:25.33 | oo_miguel | they just offer a platform to developers to publish their games as far as I understand |
| 10:25.34 | frazr | gaming on linux is still shiet :/ |
| 10:25.40 | oo_miguel | the games need to be ported by the developers |
| 10:25.46 | mrr0butt | yes it is |
| 10:26.02 | frazr | but don't really mind |
| 10:26.12 | frazr | waste of time anyway :D |
| 10:26.14 | oo_miguel | I want to run prison architect which is quite simple, so I hope it will run well |
| 10:26.42 | oo_miguel | I suppose it just uses SDL or some similiar framework... |
| 10:26.52 | mrr0butt | but assaultcube is still an awesome linux game |
| 10:27.10 | mrr0butt | 70mb fps shooter |
| 10:27.24 | oo_miguel | mrr0butt: nice, Ill have a look some time |
| 10:27.50 | oo_miguel | especially because it is free and open source ;) |
| 10:28.01 | mrr0butt | cube engine <3 |
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| 10:28.22 | mrr0butt | it has an in game world editor and maps can be edited online with other players |
| 10:28.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 10:28.45 | mrr0butt | :D |
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| 10:29.42 | mrr0butt | the pkg in debians repo was always not uptodate, not sure if still |
| 10:29.48 | mrr0butt | assaultcube |
| 10:30.09 | mrr0butt | only last release can connect to masterserver and play nline |
| 10:31.12 | frazr | Anyone know some up2date checklist for a fresh debian install? Would like to know how other set up their systems. |
| 10:31.19 | rindolf | themill: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_dpkg_so_slow_when_using_new_filesystems_such_as_btrfs_or_ext4.3F - this might be my problem |
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| 10:31.20 | frazr | others* |
| 10:31.52 | themill | rindolf: that's what I said? |
| 10:33.33 | rindolf | themill: well, you didnt give the link or the solutions there |
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| 10:34.15 | themill | rindolf: there aren't really any solutions there I'd use on a production system. |
| 10:34.41 | themill | (I use eatmydata quite happily on virtual machines and fresh installations but wouldn't anywhere else) |
| 10:35.42 | rindolf | themill: ah |
| 10:36.39 | frazr | never heard of eatmydata |
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| 10:37.14 | themill | !eatmydata |
| 10:37.14 | dpkg | well, eatmydata is a tool to temporarily prevent a program from being as careful as it should be about flushing its data to disk. If you have to install a lot of packages and are also copying around lots of files, then the performance of dpkg can be reduced, so "eatmydata aptitude install foo" is a viable option. Just understand that if the machine crashes the files will be left in an inconsistent state and the machine may be unbootable. |
| 10:37.54 | frazr | essentially skipping fsync ? :) |
| 10:38.14 | themill | an LD_PRELOAD that makes it a noop |
| 10:38.17 | tarzeau_ | made our workstation installs faster between 50-100% |
| 10:38.38 | frazr | nice, great tip |
| 10:38.44 | tarzeau_ | (about 4500+-500 deb packages, +15 GB in /opt) |
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| 10:55.23 | DontHighlightMe | hi |
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| 10:57.05 | DontHighlightMe | highlights mrr0's butt |
| 10:57.11 | DontHighlightMe | on fire |
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| 11:01.37 | mrr0butt | :3 |
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| 11:01.51 | mrr0butt | higlight my butt deeper |
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| 11:04.32 | DontHighlightMe | so I connect to phone using bletooth, and I use "pand" tool |
| 11:04.35 | DontHighlightMe | when it conects it creates bnep0 interface, but I have time out every few hours for some reason, and this message: "pand[24426]: bnep0 disconnected : Connection timed out" |
| 11:04.44 | DontHighlightMe | but it does reconnects in few seconds but the problem the interface bnep0 down and I have to add routes by hand using commands: |
| 11:04.53 | DontHighlightMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.58 | DontHighlightMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.03 | DontHighlightMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.12 | DontHighlightMe | and if I'm not at the computer and not notice that and don't add those routes all my connections drops |
| 11:05.18 | DontHighlightMe | so I need some script that looks that connection was reconnected and adds those routes again |
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| 11:13.51 | DontHighlightMe | at least what command can I use to check if interface is up ? |
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| 11:14.36 | DontHighlightMe | using trick like this: "if ifconfig | grep bnep0; then echo its_up; else its_down; fi" ? |
| 11:15.25 | DontHighlightMe | or I can just run script once every 5 seconds, it will not heart, it just brings down interface and sets up default route |
| 11:15.39 | DontHighlightMe | but I thought tiere is better solution |
| 11:15.54 | themill | ifdata might do it easily |
| 11:16.14 | DontHighlightMe | I will ask in #bash |
| 11:16.23 | themill | at some stage you're reimplementing network-manager as a pile of buggy shell scripts |
| 11:16.44 | DontHighlightMe | right, but I need simple solution |
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| 11:17.00 | DontHighlightMe | don't want to configure that network manager and depend on one more software |
| 11:17.32 | DontHighlightMe | network-manager may have too much AI in it and it can do what I don't need |
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| 11:26.27 | sillyslux | oh i can't create sparse image files with dd on nfs shares? |
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| 11:28.12 | sillyslux | nvm found something, https://serverfault.com/a/731649 |
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| 11:30.42 | sillyslux | ls -lh shows files with GB sizes while du -sh indicates that only kilobytes are used |
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| 11:59.35 | eyes | hi all |
| 11:59.38 | eyes | is there is any way to bypass internet provider speed limits |
| 12:00.14 | eyes | with any debian command |
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| 12:00.28 | AWindowsKrill | most likely not |
| 12:01.04 | eyes | thanks |
| 12:01.14 | mrr0butt | :D lol |
| 12:01.29 | dTal | if you have a server somewhere else you could make a compressed tunnel to it |
| 12:01.38 | dTal | but it's unlikely to help very much |
| 12:01.54 | eyes | no servers |
| 12:02.05 | eyes | unfortunatly |
| 12:02.40 | mrr0butt | if you are talking about mobile data, and you own a prepaid card which offers uncharged access to 0.facebook.com then there is way |
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| 12:03.20 | eyes | no |
| 12:03.21 | AWindowsKrill | mrr0butt: I don't think that's what they're talking about, but I'd really like to see that |
| 12:03.26 | Janni | Hello! |
| 12:03.51 | eyes | the problem with isp |
| 12:03.55 | eyes | it self |
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| 12:05.30 | mrr0butt | it looks like most providers offering free 0.facebook.com access dont use target ip as rule |
| 12:05.35 | giirt | Hello, what is the name of the font debian has when you have not installed any Window Manager? The terminal font so to say. |
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| 12:06.16 | mrr0butt | they eaven dont check if 0.facebook.com is the domain or subdomain |
| 12:06.28 | mrr0butt | 0.facebook.com.4proxy.de |
| 12:06.29 | rant | giirt: its whatever font you have selected |
| 12:06.37 | AWindowsKrill | mrr0butt: Ah |
| 12:06.38 | giirt | If I have not selected a y |
| 12:06.47 | giirt | *any font. What is the default? |
| 12:06.53 | eyes_ | no my speed |
| 12:06.54 | giirt | I like it and want my terminals to use it |
| 12:07.03 | mrr0butt | port 80/443 and url needs to contain 0.facebook.com |
| 12:07.30 | eyes_ | 500 kbs |
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| 12:07.32 | AWindowsKrill | mrr0butt: That depends on the way they set the unmetered stuff up |
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| 12:07.52 | eyes_ | and i paid for 16 mb |
| 12:08.21 | AWindowsKrill | eyes_: I'd just call the ISP and complain |
| 12:08.37 | mrr0butt | there are thousands of 0.facebook.com. subdomain web/proxies |
| 12:08.59 | eyes_ | i am not using facebook |
| 12:09.19 | eyes_ | somehow i need to speed up |
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| 12:09.24 | eyes_ | and bypass them |
| 12:09.57 | rant | giirt: are you talking about the linux console or the xterm that runs in x11? |
| 12:10.02 | jelly | giirt: the bitmap font for xterm? |
| 12:10.31 | mrr0butt | and its pretty old thing |
| 12:10.39 | giirt | rant: I mean the font when you have not installed any GUI. The default CLI font. |
| 12:10.52 | mrr0butt | there were also opera turbo proxies with 0.fb subdomain |
| 12:10.52 | rant | giirt: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 12:11.16 | jelly | giirt: so the font at the console? |
| 12:11.32 | eyes_ | download rate |
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| 12:11.46 | mrr0butt | and debian has iodine in its repository |
| 12:12.18 | mrr0butt | but its not faster |
| 12:12.37 | mrr0butt | then sloe 56kb mobile crap |
| 12:12.42 | mrr0butt | *slow |
| 12:12.54 | jelly | giirt: this one? Run: xterm -fn '-xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' |
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| 12:13.41 | mrr0butt | guess mobile providers monetizing the shit out of mobile data $/mb so the actually dont care |
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| 12:14.08 | rant | jelly: mine was easier to type :P |
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| 12:14.30 | giirt | jelly: I took a screenshot of it: https://ibb.co/d1gqyR |
| 12:14.30 | jelly | rant: they want to use it in their terminals, I _think_ "terminals" means in X |
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| 12:15.01 | jelly | giirt: oh that's VGA font, built in your graphic card |
| 12:15.08 | jelly | and built in kernel :-| |
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| 12:15.36 | giirt | jelly: Oh, ok. |
| 12:17.02 | sabdo | hello |
| 12:17.06 | sabdo | anyone can help me install anope in debian? |
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| 12:17.50 | jelly | giirt: there used to be a pretty good clone with a decent set of non-OS characters that came with old versions of konsole, called "console8x16" |
| 12:18.13 | rant | I think aterm may be able to do it |
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| 12:18.47 | jelly | judd: file console8x16.pcf.* |
| 12:18.51 | rant | it has some obscure font settings |
| 12:18.52 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:18.59 | jelly | judd: file console8x16.pcf.* --release wheezy |
| 12:19.02 | judd | No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:19.10 | giirt | jelly: I would love to find a alternative! Is this a standard font? https://docs.freebsd.org/doc/5.1-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/install/console-saver1.png |
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| 12:21.09 | jelly | giirt: I use Terminus Bold 16 as a replacement. |
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| 12:23.34 | giirt | jelly: I like terminus a lot. Thanks! |
| 12:23.37 | jelly | giirt: or grab https://twilight.jelly.network/stuff/console8x16.pcf.gz ; put it into /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ ; cd into that directory and run "mkfontdir" as root, then log off and on, or run "xset fp rehash" as normal user, then you should be able to try it |
| 12:24.12 | sabdo | anyone can help me install anope in debian? |
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| 12:25.07 | jelly | rant: aterm (or urxvt, aterm doesn't do utf-8) can only use fonts that exist on the system, it can't invent its own |
| 12:26.10 | rant | jelly: yeah it uses libfreetype6 has support for many font types but it can't use ones that dont exist |
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| 12:29.38 | rant | sabdo: apt-get install anope |
| 12:30.01 | jelly | rant: one can enable bitmap fonts in freetype config, but then all apps start using them (ie. Firefox) |
| 12:30.38 | sabdo | rant : I have successfully installed Unreal IRCd, but when setting anope, its services do not want to run |
| 12:31.38 | rant | sabdo: well if it doesn't want to run, who am I to argue.. maybe its feet hurt |
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| 12:33.14 | sabdo | rant : wkwkwkkw i mean is there any other setting in its services.conf? |
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| 12:36.14 | rant | I dont have the slightest clue.. you said you wanted help installing it.. I told you how to install it.. you should try being more specific about what you want to do, what you tried, and what you expect to happen and what actually happened.. and also not highlighting me like I'm going to give you more than a smartass answer to unanswerable questions |
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| 12:39.25 | DebIanSam | sounds like a rant to me... |
| 12:39.56 | rant | happens to be a well documented way to ask good questions |
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| 12:53.15 | Janni | I'm running Debian testing and I'd LIKE to run firefox 57 from unstable. However all my extensions (which I heavily rely upon) won't work withit. HOWEVER, from what I read there are versions of Firefox 57 (some/all nightly builds?) which support the about:config preference extensions.legacy.enabled. So my question is simply this: who runs such a version and what is the simplest way to install it on Debian? |
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| 12:54.05 | rant | Janni: do you have any reason for even considering this or are you merely suffering a bout of SNS syndrome? |
| 12:54.14 | Janni | SNS/ |
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| 12:54.19 | Janni | ? |
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| 12:54.24 | Megaf | Hi all, anyone with an iMac G5 running Debian? |
| 12:54.24 | rant | Shiny New Shit |
| 12:54.52 | rant | google probably knows. |
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| 12:55.03 | Janni | rant: Pre-57 firefox is unsufferably slow on my machine. |
| 12:55.13 | Janni | That's my reason. |
| 12:55.13 | FinalX | Janni / rant: 57 *is* the latest stable release, even though the package in the repos for Debian might not be. I'm running it on Windows, and it suffers from the same thing. |
| 12:55.36 | FinalX | My coworker had to downgrade his Firefox again because of it. I don't use any extensions other than LastPass, and that one works just fine. |
| 12:55.51 | Janni | FinalX: Yes, but the extensions.legacy.enabled is specifically unsupported by stable builds. |
| 12:55.55 | rant | Janni: and you seriously think a new code is going to be faster? do you not get that they just keep adding more crap and that firefox and the web as a whole is bloated now? |
| 12:56.00 | jelly | Janni: you can't use the package from unstable without messing up your installation of stable. Use Mozilla's tarball. |
| 12:56.19 | Janni | rant: firefox 57 without extensions is MUCH faster than pre-57 firefox without extensions. |
| 12:56.25 | Ilie[] | lol , i have the dev version on my ubuntu 16.04 and it flies |
| 12:56.35 | FinalX | Janni: extensions.legacy.enabled is supported in the Windows 10 release at least. |
| 12:56.53 | r00t | In my experience 57 is at least twice as fast as other versions, even with addons |
| 12:56.54 | FinalX | but again, no idea about the Debian one. I only use Debian for headless machines :P |
| 12:57.02 | mrr0butt | cool ppl use curl :3 |
| 12:57.09 | FinalX | it is, indeed, way, way faster |
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| 12:57.38 | r00t | I was amazed by it actually. I saw the blog post talking about it and I didn't believe it until I saw it myself |
| 12:58.17 | FinalX | me either. was using other browsers and kept Firefox for small stuff :p finding myself moving back to FF more now. |
| 12:58.21 | mrr0butt | firefox has rly a shitload of usles stuff enabled by default |
| 12:58.33 | juhop | so now firefox is almost as fast as chromium? |
| 12:58.38 | FinalX | for me, yes |
| 12:58.39 | mrr0butt | :D |
| 12:58.42 | Janni | rant: I don't suffer from SNS in any case. My hardware consists always of whatever friends and colleagues deem to old to use. |
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| 12:59.04 | rant | Janni: hey I'm using an orangepi lite, you dont have to splain that to me |
| 12:59.07 | r00t | Nice b8, m8 |
| 12:59.38 | DebIanSam | Janni, give it time...all the addons I use were updated within the past week. |
| 13:00.13 | rant | but I also dont kid myself, I use links2 and just suck it up and dont try use bloated js sites, I use specific apps for stuff |
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| 13:00.31 | mrr0butt | uMatrix and uBlock are the only addons i need in firefox |
| 13:00.35 | Janni | DebIanSam: Unfortunately this is not a question of addons being updated. It is the limitations of the WebExtension API which does not allow my most precious extensions to be supported by Firefox 57. |
| 13:00.56 | Janni | DebIanSam: For instance remapping keys... unsupported(!!!) |
| 13:01.53 | Janni | So, I NEED legacy extensions or wait for WebExtensions extensions to be specified and implemented, but that might take quite some time. |
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| 13:02.30 | Janni | "WebExtensions extensions": by that I mean proprietary functionalities outside of the specification. |
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| 13:07.29 | somepoortech | anyone know how often sync's automatically happen? It doesn't seem to be 5 seconds as documented... |
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| 13:08.16 | rant | if you mean filesystems that varies based on many factors including how its mounted |
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| 13:08.58 | general_ghest | hello all |
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| 13:09.07 | somepoortech | rant: ext4 with rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered |
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| 13:14.29 | Janni | To answer my own question: On https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14982884 someone says "Nightly and unbranded builds will always respect that preference. Stable versions, starting with 57 will ignore it." |
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| 13:18.43 | DontHighlightMe | "uncharged access to 0.facebook.com", tell me more |
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| 13:22.22 | mrr0butt | 0.facebook.com.4proxy.com u can use it as web proxy |
| 13:22.36 | mrr0butt | or a real proxy on port 80 and 443 |
| 13:23.13 | mrr0butt | it was pretty popular in arabic countries few yars ago |
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| 13:24.26 | petn-randall | DontHighlightMe: How is your support request related to Debian? |
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| 13:24.46 | mrr0butt | there werelot providers in the entire world offering free access to0.fb |
| 13:25.23 | mrr0butt | would like to know if facebook did this on purpose |
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| 13:26.03 | mrr0butt | :) made contracts with providers worldwide and then implemented cgarge gap in their networks |
| 13:26.10 | mrr0butt | *charge |
| 13:26.16 | petn-randall | mrr0butt: Do you have a support question? |
| 13:26.21 | DontHighlightMe | I use iodine |
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| 13:27.14 | petn-randall | DontHighlightMe: I'm not sure how we're supposed to help you with this little info. Try asking an actual question and add enough context for us to make sense of it. |
| 13:27.17 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:27.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:27.20 | petn-randall | !context |
| 13:27.20 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
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| 13:29.03 | Janni | Yay! Running Firefox 58 with extensions.legacy.enabled=true which means I can continue to use most of my beloved customisations with a efficient version of Firefox! If anyone else is interested in this: nightly builds (available on https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/) opposed to stable builds continue to support this about:config preference. |
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| 13:29.50 | Janni | Ideally I'd like to see such an "unbranded" version being offered as a Debian package somewhere (maybe even in the official repository?). |
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| 13:30.07 | zackbrown | hi! I usually use FVWM on top of a Gnome installation, because Gnome tools are convenient. However, lately things like the gnome-control-center tool have stopped working, presumably because Gnome tools generally want the full running environment in order to work. Is there another tool like gnome-control-center, that can adjust sound, networking, and other controls, but that doesn't depend on a running Gnome or KDE environment? |
| 13:30.38 | arora | Xfce-toolset? zackbrown |
| 13:31.32 | Janni | Bye! |
| 13:32.08 | zackbrown | arora - that looks interesting |
| 13:32.16 | zackbrown | I see a lot of xfce packages in debian |
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| 13:33.42 | DontHighlightMe | rant: "happens to be a well documented way to ask good questions", http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 13:36.11 | giirt | I am surprised that *ls /etc/ | head -n1* only displays one file. When I type *ls /etc/*, several files are listed in the first row. How come *head* can filter the other files? |
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| 13:38.47 | user_____ | Hello, After editing /etc/networking/interfaces, trying to set a static IP address for eth0 and restarting networking services, I keep getting an IP from the DHCP server. Any tips or help would be appreciated. |
| 13:38.56 | giirt | I have the same thoughts on *ls /etc/ | cat*. It lists one file per line. *ls /etc/* includes several files per line. Does the pipe modify the output? |
| 13:39.04 | brontosaurusrex | giirt: by default ls gives some sort of row-like listing, try ls -alh /etc |
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| 13:39.29 | giirt | brontosaurusrex: Does my terminal modify the output of ls when run alone? |
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| 13:40.15 | brontosaurusrex | try ls > tofile.txt for comparision |
| 13:40.27 | brontosaurusrex | !ls |
| 13:40.27 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 13:40.42 | brontosaurusrex | wtf ^ |
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| 13:40.44 | themill | giirt: ls knows it is running in a pipe |
| 13:40.47 | Razva^ | Hey guys! Which version of the LiveCD is the fastest? I just need to use a browser and basic productivity stuff. I have to choose between: Cinnamon, Gnome, KDE, LXDE, Mate and Xfce. I don't care about fancy animations etc. |
| 13:40.57 | zackbrown | arora - it looks like xfce4-settings-manager only has settings for the display, mouse, and keyboard. Nothing for networking or sound or other things that gnome-control-center covers. |
| 13:41.45 | giirt | themill: That's what I first thought too. I searched in ls manual for "pipe" but had no matches - this is why I am unsure if this is the case. |
| 13:41.48 | petn-randall | Razva^: It to 99% depends on the speed of the device you're reading from, not so much on the flavour. I'd assume xfce is a tad faster than gnome or kde. |
| 13:42.12 | Razva^ | I'll use a VM on my MBP |
| 13:42.22 | koollman | giirt: search for terminal |
| 13:42.42 | koollman | giirt: for example, -1 is default when output is not a terminal, -C is default when output is a terminal |
| 13:43.30 | petn-randall | Razva^: I'd rather do a normal install in the VM instad. |
| 13:44.09 | Razva^ | yeah but I really don't need all the bells and whistles, animations etc, I just need some basic stuff |
| 13:44.33 | giirt | koollman: Thank you! |
| 13:45.05 | brontosaurusrex | Razva^: you can use some even lesser wm, like openbox, or a tiler like i3, dwm and such. |
| 13:46.06 | Razva^ | brontosaurusrex: yeah but unfortunately I cannot find any LiveCD based on those :\ |
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| 13:46.14 | Razva^ | I have to choose one of these: v |
| 13:46.15 | Razva^ | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 13:46.17 | mrr0butt | yeah or blackbox |
| 13:46.36 | mrr0butt | it can actualy replace whole desktop |
| 13:46.47 | DontHighlightMe | I was about to say blackbox, but didn't want to sound racist |
| 13:47.11 | mrr0butt | :3 |
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| 13:47.27 | petn-randall | DontHighlightMe: Try to keep the signal to noise ratio high in here. |
| 13:47.55 | brontosaurusrex | Razva^: does it have to be officialy Debian? |
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| 13:48.02 | Razva^ | oook so Xfce or Lxde? seems that they are both classified as "light" (google) |
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| 13:48.12 | Razva^ | brontosaurusrex: nope, but it has to be secure |
| 13:48.17 | DontHighlightMe | is it possible to install new version of debian just updating "all" packages ? |
| 13:48.58 | DontHighlightMe | do I realle need like entire reinstallation ? |
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| 13:49.07 | petn-randall | Razva^: Whatever window managers exist in the live images you can simply install on a persistent system. If you have a persistent installation you also have the added bonus of being able to install security updates, and also keep any configuration of your browser, window manager layout, etc. |
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| 13:49.30 | themill | DontHighlightMe: have you by any chance asked google that? Or read the release notes? |
| 13:49.47 | DontHighlightMe | no, I'm new to debian |
| 13:50.07 | Razva^ | petn-randall: got it |
| 13:50.16 | DontHighlightMe | its more of a theoretical quesion, if its possbile or not |
| 13:50.19 | petn-randall | DontHighlightMe: That's not an excuse to not search for the answer yourself before asking here. |
| 13:50.22 | mrr0butt | Xfce is in my opinin far far away from lightweight |
| 13:50.40 | petn-randall | Great thing about opinions is everyone can have one. |
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| 13:51.21 | Razva^ | lxde seems to be the "winner" on the "light" side, from my current Google searches result, but I may be wrong? |
| 13:52.09 | mrr0butt | could be the most leightweigt full desktop |
| 13:52.22 | brontosaurusrex | Razva^: probably is |
| 13:52.31 | DontHighlightMe | what DSL uses as desktop ? |
| 13:52.34 | petn-randall | !light-weight |
| 13:52.34 | dpkg | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 13:52.38 | petn-randall | mrr0butt: ^^^ |
| 13:53.19 | DontHighlightMe | if you want to know what desktop is more lightwaight look at what micro distributions are using |
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| 13:55.34 | brontosaurusrex | Razva^: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=4334 |
| 13:55.55 | brontosaurusrex | Haven't tested myself, but sounds awesome. |
| 13:56.04 | DontHighlightMe | germangayboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RPnf_SVtso Why Is Germany So Divided On Gay Rights |
| 13:56.08 | DontHighlightMe | I think I will go |
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| 13:56.49 | Razva^ | brontosaurusrex: thank you very much! |
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| 14:49.34 | somepoortech | answering my own question from earlier, in addition to the 5 second sync time dirty_expire_centisecs will cache data in memory |
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| 15:24.47 | giirt | Does anyone know why the regular expression range [a-b] matches the Swedish character *Ã¥*, while neither *a* nor *b* matches it? |
| 15:25.04 | giirt | *echo åke | grep --color [a-b]* is a match |
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| 15:28.07 | ErCiccione | Hi, I need g++ 5 and gcc 5 on Debian stretch, but I see that the stable version is the 4.6 (gcc) . how can I get these packages from sid (where there's the version I need)? The info I found online are not coherent and outdated. Sorry if is a stupid question, I just moved from Ubuntu. |
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| 15:30.44 | mrig | giirt, this is a regex thing, do you know how the char map to numbers? Presumably there is some regex code that links the specific ranges of numbers to the basic ascii alphabet between char sets, where as 'a' will simply map to number 97; That is my best guess. |
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| 15:34.43 | giirt | mrig: Okey, that might be the case. It just confuses me that the result differs from regex-implementations. Some say it's a match, some doesn't. |
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| 15:36.04 | ChmEarl | ErCiccione, its in unstable: https://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc-5 |
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| 15:36.44 | annadane | ChmEarl, ErCiccione, don't mix packages |
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| 15:36.53 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 15:36.57 | mrig | giirt, I believe also that there are many different regex implementations; Though I've yet to really study them; This info comes from the use of characters in the C programming language. |
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| 15:37.30 | annadane | and especially not gcc, which everything relies on |
| 15:38.17 | ErCiccione | annadane: Yes, i asked here because i wanted to avoid mixing. I'm trying using backports, is that fine? |
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| 15:38.27 | annadane | ErCiccione, yes |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | ,v gcc |
| 15:38.41 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.2.0-1d1 |
| 15:39.08 | ErCiccione | great, thanks annadane, ChmEarl |
| 15:39.18 | jelly | ErCiccione: gcc 5.x is actually old. THe thing you see in sid(unstable) is just a leftover in some weird architecture. |
| 15:39.23 | jelly | ,v gcc-5 |
| 15:39.24 | judd | Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.5.0-5 |
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| 15:40.43 | ErCiccione | ok jelly, so i should install the backport of gcc-5 right? |
| 15:40.57 | jelly | there is none. |
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| 15:41.35 | jelly | oh, maybe it's not a leftover. |
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| 15:42.27 | ErCiccione | ok sorry guys i'm a bit confused now. I need at least version 5, but i read that pulling a single package from sid might be a mess and backports solve this. What version should i look for? |
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| 15:43.52 | jelly | ErCiccione: if you need at LEAST version 5, then use gcc-6 that is the default in stretch |
| 15:44.32 | jelly | if you installed the "gcc" package or "build-essential" you already have it |
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| 15:45.28 | jelly | ErCiccione: 6 is at least 5. It's even more than 5 actually. |
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| 15:46.49 | ErCiccione | jelly: I already tried with build-essential with no luck, so i probably need specifically version 5, will give it another shot |
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| 15:48.54 | jelly | ErCiccione: what does "gcc -v" say on your system? last line is enough |
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| 15:53.29 | ErCiccione | jelly: Ok, now version is 6.3.0-18 , that is the same of apt-cache (4:6.3.0-4). I think I made a mess installing gcc at the beginning, cleaning everything and installing using build-essential, solved the problem. I still can't compile, but that's probably a problem of the source. Thanks for the help |
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| 16:02.59 | ChmEarl | ErCiccione, append your CFLAGS with: -fno-pie |
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| 16:03.53 | ChmEarl | ErCiccione, gcc 6.3 has --enable-default-pie |
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| 16:05.47 | bluj | --yes-pie |
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| 16:06.52 | ChmEarl | not talking about pumpkin/apple pie here |
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| 16:08.41 | jelly | mmm, pie. |
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| 16:18.02 | saladmonk | i need some advice i can't run nfs-server anymore |
| 16:18.18 | saladmonk | some freaking dependency fails at load |
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| 16:19.40 | Johrmungand | Hello |
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| 16:20.40 | Johrmungand | why isnt the guidelines thing working? |
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| 16:20.56 | Johrmungand | I want to read it before asking lol |
| 16:21.26 | babilen | Which "guidelines thing" ? |
| 16:21.39 | Johrmungand | the /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 16:22.07 | jelly | saladmonk: make sure: rpcbind/portmap is running (try to rpcinfo -p); nfs-common is running |
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| 16:23.07 | babilen | Johrmungand: That works well, what are your problems with it? It should have sent a private message to our bot, dpkg, which would have replied with: |
| 16:23.11 | babilen | dpkg: guidelines |
| 16:23.11 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. 9) see <code of conduct> |
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| 16:23.52 | Johrmungand | well, if you guys dnt mind ill ask anyway> I was gonna ask if there is some sort of guide about dualbooting on a legacy bios |
| 16:24.30 | Johrmungand | do I just make the partitions in the unalocated space and set the root of the hard drive as the grub install locaion? |
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| 16:24.52 | Johrmungand | will it autodetect the windows install or will i have to do something extra? |
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| 16:26.03 | mrr0butt | search and destroy |
| 16:26.58 | mrr0butt | it should autodetect windows partition and bootloader and propose some options |
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| 16:27.34 | Johrmungand | mrr0butt: what exactly are those options? |
| 16:27.44 | mrr0butt | and you should be able to boot windows from grub |
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| 16:28.06 | NeilHanlon | hey all--was running a dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch and gnome crashed, ending up forcing me to reboot... |
| 16:28.14 | NeilHanlon | should I run a dist-upgrade again? |
| 16:28.43 | mrr0butt | it will ask if you want to install along windows or if you want use whole hd for installation |
| 16:28.45 | NeilHanlon | it was in the middle of setting up packages |
| 16:28.50 | jelly | NeilHanlon: after doing "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install", yes. Did you log the output (with script)? |
| 16:28.58 | NeilHanlon | jelly: sure did |
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| 16:29.10 | NeilHanlon | want a paste of it? |
| 16:29.29 | jelly | no need for now |
| 16:29.37 | Johrmungand | oh one more question, what do i need to download from the netinst iso to get wifi to work? bec. my only experince with linux and netwroking and stuff was with arch and the wifi didnt work at all for some reason |
| 16:29.57 | Johrmungand | if there is a getting wifi up and running guide it would be amazing lol |
| 16:30.02 | NeilHanlon | jelly: sounds good. I'll finish the dpkg --configure, etc, and run dist-upgrade again |
| 16:30.06 | NeilHanlon | thank you |
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| 16:30.52 | mrr0butt | Johrmungand, depends on your wifi chip |
| 16:31.00 | jelly | NeilHanlon: you will want to run those inside script as well (perhaps into a new file), and be careful -- apt-get -f install may ask you to remove a whole lot of packages to make its state consistent |
| 16:31.23 | Johrmungand | mrr0butt: the intel chip that comes with the thinkpad x230 (one sec will look it up) |
| 16:31.34 | jelly | NeilHanlon: consider running a release upgrade inside screen or tmux, as well, next time |
| 16:31.57 | mrr0butt | if the firmware is non-free you need ad non-free section to sources list |
| 16:32.07 | mrr0butt | *sources.list |
| 16:32.09 | NeilHanlon | jelly: roger. Yeah, I didn't think to use screen :( |
| 16:32.30 | Johrmungand | i am not sure, if I added the nonfree repos what do i do after that? |
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| 16:33.14 | jelly | Johrmungand: probably run "apt-get update" and "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 16:33.14 | mrr0butt | apt-get update |
| 16:33.30 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:33.30 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 16:33.32 | mrr0butt | and then you need to know the wifi chip vendor |
| 16:33.34 | spacebug^ | can I make Debians postgresql use password auth? A script needs password auth |
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| 16:34.24 | Johrmungand | after u download and update, do i just do wifi-menu and it should work? |
| 16:34.26 | mrr0butt | for atheros you would do "apt-get install firmware-atheros" |
| 16:34.29 | Johrmungand | i* |
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| 16:35.22 | jelly | Johrmungand: might reallycooldude require a reboot for the driver to really start working |
| 16:35.34 | jelly | whoopsie |
| 16:35.38 | mrr0butt | there are isos with all wifi firmwares on it |
| 16:35.38 | mrr0butt | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.2.1+nonfree/ |
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| 16:35.58 | Johrmungand | ah, these will work out of the box? |
| 16:36.17 | jelly | they're supposed to yeah |
| 16:36.20 | mrr0butt | if you install from this image wifi will work instant after install |
| 16:36.36 | Johrmungand | Ok, thanks for your help |
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| 16:42.47 | NeilHanlon | jelly: all looks good, I think! `dpkg --configure -a` completed successfully, and `apt-get -f install` only tells me about packages no longer used that can be autoremoved, so it appears the apt state/dpkg state is consistent |
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| 16:43.41 | NeilHanlon | now it looks like pkgconf is held back |
| 16:44.01 | NeilHanlon | i don't think that's a deb-standard package, though? |
| 16:45.36 | NeilHanlon | disregard: resolved that by just running an install on it. |
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| 16:48.43 | BIgPapaIstelok | ayayay |
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| 16:49.22 | BIgPapaIstelok | valex your ip adress] |
| 16:50.00 | BIgPapaIstelok | actually why are the ip adresses showing? |
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| 17:13.19 | BIgPapaIstelok | hoouuiiuoyieagkuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyygfssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssazgreuaaasfrrrrrrrduaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrwww |
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| 17:13.28 | BIgPapaIstelok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.30 | BIgPapaIstelok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.31 | BIgPapaIstelok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.32 | BIgPapaIstelok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.33 | frazr | stroke? |
| 17:13.35 | maxcell_ | debian has flatpack support? debian stable or testing, doesn't metter |
| 17:13.42 | heibol | e.e |
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| 17:14.15 | BIgPapaIstelok | that is what i call sitting on your laptop |
| 17:14.26 | sillyslux | cat? |
| 17:14.28 | frazr | cat ? |
| 17:14.28 | BIgPapaIstelok | whithout noticing |
| 17:14.29 | frazr | :D |
| 17:14.55 | BIgPapaIstelok | nop |
| 17:15.00 | BIgPapaIstelok | i sat on it |
| 17:15.04 | sillyslux | oh |
| 17:15.07 | frazr | haha |
| 17:15.09 | BIgPapaIstelok | a 75 kg man |
| 17:15.17 | BIgPapaIstelok | and it did not brake |
| 17:15.22 | BIgPapaIstelok | i am proud |
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| 17:15.31 | frazr | did your right asscheek land first? :D |
| 17:15.52 | BIgPapaIstelok | yeah probably haha |
| 17:15.53 | frazr | no its mirrored, left |
| 17:15.54 | frazr | :) |
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| 17:16.14 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 17:16.21 | BIgPapaIstelok | hhahaha |
| 17:16.24 | sillyslux | bam bam ban |
| 17:16.41 | sillyslux | beating up bolovanos |
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| 17:17.24 | bolovanos | debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst - Graphical Installation - I am creating low resource server - will this somehow install desktop or not (do not want to) |
| 17:17.27 | bolovanos | sillyslux, :) |
| 17:17.35 | sillyslux | you said hit here |
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| 17:18.34 | maxcell_ | bolovanos, no |
| 17:18.39 | maxcell_ | just chose on the install what you want |
| 17:18.43 | BIgPapaIstelok | as faras i know, no |
| 17:18.57 | bolovanos | I know - and time to time someone get caught on that |
| 17:19.05 | sillyslux | that's just the graphical debian-installer? |
| 17:19.16 | sillyslux | mehh |
| 17:19.16 | bolovanos | ok thx guys |
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| 17:19.26 | BIgPapaIstelok | it is pretty hard to fuck up like that |
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| 17:21.14 | jelly | BIgPapaIstelok: you're quieted for 2 hours. Try not to paste crap into this tech support channel after that. |
| 17:21.29 | ssarah | what's the better way to find what app is using a certain port and what port is being used by a certain app? debian 9 command line |
| 17:21.34 | ssarah | (hi everyone) |
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| 17:22.26 | jcross | Just about to install Debian for the first time... will DVD 1 be enough for a laptop? Does it come with the wireless tools I will need? |
| 17:22.28 | maxcell_ | do debian have flatpak support? |
| 17:22.43 | jelly | ssarah: ss or netstat have a -p option. lsof can also be useful. Run as root if you want to see processes not owned by your user (like normal services) |
| 17:23.20 | jcross | maxcell https://wiki.debian.org/FlatpakHowto |
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| 17:23.47 | maxcell_ | jcross, thank you |
| 17:25.13 | ssarah | ss -p | grep sql , is finding nothing, jelly sir |
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| 17:25.55 | jelly | ssarah: read the manual about other options that might be useful. I didn't provide a complete answer. |
| 17:26.29 | ssarah | resigned to his fate, does "man pp" |
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| 17:26.56 | ssarah | realized it's actually "man ss" |
| 17:27.43 | jelly | I mean I could have just "netstat -tupan" or "ss -tupan" but then you wouldn't have bothered to look at what it all does |
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| 17:29.10 | ssarah | yes, this is my more didactic. I really like know what all the flags do. I already knew netstat, but on debian9 it goes netstat: command not found, so i figured there should be a best practice now |
| 17:29.17 | ssarah | pp -pa | grep sql did the trick |
| 17:29.19 | ssarah | :) |
| 17:29.58 | mspo | ss -nape |
| 17:30.17 | mspo | is what's I've been typing |
| 17:30.24 | mspo | -tupac is dead |
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| 17:31.00 | ssarah | hei! tyvm btw :) |
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| 17:31.28 | ssarah | what does the n do, mspo ? not resolve service names? |
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| 17:31.59 | mspo | ssarah: ss -nape is pretty close to netstat -anp, I think |
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| 17:33.23 | mspo | not sure why you would use -t and -u with -a |
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| 17:34.22 | ssarah | mspo, it's right there in the man ss -t -a Display all TCP sockets. |
| 17:34.27 | ssarah | not sure why either |
| 17:34.38 | ssarah | ah |
| 17:34.44 | ssarah | a is for listening and not listening |
| 17:35.46 | BIgPapaIstelok | ssarah: you can use wireshark if you prefer gui |
| 17:36.08 | cusco | hi |
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| 17:36.17 | cusco | can nfs server be restricted to a single network interface? |
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| 17:38.08 | BIgPapaIstelok | cusco: asfar as I know, no |
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| 17:39.43 | BIgPapaIstelok | however, you may need to open a discussion on stack exchange or some other forum |
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| 17:43.12 | ChmEarl | cusco, -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/16 -p tcp -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 2049 -j ACCEPT |
| 17:43.18 | jelly | cusco: nfsd uses rpcbind to register a listener, maybe you can tell rpcbind to listen only on select ifaces |
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| 17:43.46 | jelly | cusco: but that will then apply to all the other services managed by rpcbind, if you have any |
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| 17:45.01 | cusco | yes I can use iptables |
| 17:45.11 | cusco | IO was just thinking like most daemons would have a bind option |
| 17:45.15 | cusco | but it uses portmap, right |
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| 17:45.26 | cusco | rcpbind? |
| 17:45.31 | cusco | hmm |
| 17:45.41 | cusco | I'll have to read on that, and what uses it |
| 17:45.46 | cusco | I've got with iptables for now |
| 17:45.51 | cusco | thank you |
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| 17:47.28 | mspo | ugh |
| 17:47.35 | mspo | ss is kind of buggy |
| 17:47.39 | mspo | glad netstat was dropped |
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| 18:03.23 | LiENUS | is there a way to tell apt (dpkg) a package is installed without actually installing? |
| 18:03.49 | LiENUS | so apt wont install that package as a dependency for something else |
| 18:03.55 | petemc | !equivs |
| 18:03.55 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 18:04.20 | mspo | ssarah: find your webserver: ss -nape state listening -a 'sport = :80' |
| 18:05.31 | LiENUS | petemc, thank you that looks like it, was having a hard time figuring out what to google for it |
| 18:05.41 | n4dir | LiENUS: why would you want to do that? |
| 18:06.13 | LiENUS | n4dir, im installing cups from source |
| 18:06.39 | mspo | not sure you can ss filter by name of a thing |
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| 18:08.18 | LiENUS | some of the compile options arent entirely compatible with the debian setup so repackaging as deb would be a pain, easier to just lie to dpkg and say its installed |
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| 18:09.34 | maziar | Hi why I get this error on my system boot : "Warning:Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." |
| 18:11.30 | Guest38270 | maziar: this error is usually of no worry if your system boots up just fine. |
| 18:12.53 | maziar | Guest38270 unfortunately no my system is not booted correctly |
| 18:13.43 | Guest38270 | did you freshly installed system and also did you install with system encryption? |
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| 18:13.49 | jelly | maziar: it's not an error, it's a warning. If your root filesystem is on LVM, at initramfs time lvm commands don't have access to their helper/cache daemons so they output that warning. This does not mean there's anything wrong. |
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| 18:21.45 | maziar | jelly dear jelly it also tell me : Volume group "X" not found! |
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| 18:22.31 | maziar | jelly cannot process volume group X |
| 18:22.37 | maziar | jelly dear jelly it also tell me : Volume group "X" not found! |
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| 18:24.02 | jelly | what a weird name for a VG |
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| 18:24.38 | jelly | maziar: which debian release is this? |
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| 18:25.19 | maziar | 9.1 I thin |
| 18:25.47 | maziar | jelly I am in busy box I can not use lsb_release |
| 18:26.18 | n4dir | cat /etc/debian_version (or such, if cat ain't there either) |
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| 18:27.20 | jelly | maziar: can you take a camera shot of the screen, and upload output of "ls -la /dev/sd* /dev/mapper/ /dev/disk/by-id/" and "cat /proc/cmdline" ? |
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| 18:27.50 | maziar | jelly wait a minute |
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| 18:28.21 | jelly | make it 10 minutes, going to be afk for a bit |
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| 18:31.57 | ska | Is there a good channel to ask about laptops? I need to buy one. |
| 18:32.12 | ska | It will run debian. |
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| 18:36.15 | kde2535 | whichever you buy, buy gnu/linux specific laptop and not windows one. Its hardware would be more likely to be supported. There are many like system76, purism, dell which sell gnu/linux laptops. Try searching online for gnu/linux laptops. |
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| 18:36.37 | maziar | jelly are you there ? |
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| 18:38.10 | kde2535 | Also there are some websites (maybe gnu.org is one) where they list support of various laptops on gnu/linux like wifi works, Bluetooth don't work etc. |
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| 18:39.45 | teraflops | ,pciid 1bcf:2c94 |
| 18:39.46 | judd | [1bcf:2c94] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1bcf:2c94 |
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| 18:41.02 | kde2535 | My laptop (cpu) temprature remains high in debian even when idle while in fedora and ubuntu it don't get warm. In debian in idle state its usually around 72 C while in fedora in normal working conditions it remains around 58 C. I have tried reinstalling but it remians high in debian while not in any other distribution. |
| 18:41.40 | kde2535 | Any way to find out why and possible solution to it? |
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| 18:42.44 | teraflops | kde2535: tried cpupower? or at least looked at cpu gobernor? |
| 18:42.57 | jhutchins_wk | teraflops: Sunplus Web Cam? |
| 18:43.10 | kde2535 | nope, will check now... |
| 18:43.12 | teraflops | jhutchins_wk: yeah Im dumb it's usb device ^ |
| 18:43.26 | maziar | jelly http://uupload.ir/files/z9yj_photo_2017-11-20_22-09-10.jpg http://uupload.ir/files/ih5x_photo_2017-11-20_22-08-58.jpg. http://uupload.ir/files/g9h_photo_2017-11-20_22-08-49.jpg http://uupload.ir/files/eg51_photo_2017-11-20_22-08-43.jpg. http://uupload.ir/files/onw_photo_2017-11-20_22-07-26.jpg |
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| 18:47.32 | maziar | anyone can help me ? |
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| 18:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | maziar: I don't think you ever said whether you were using encryption, or whether this system had been working and failed or was a new install that failed to boot. |
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| 18:50.23 | maziar | It is Debian 9, I installed it about 1 month ago, I don't remember if I enable the encryption ord nit ... |
| 18:50.25 | maziar | not* |
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| 18:50.59 | maziar | jhutchins_wk please ask me if I don't know some thing I will give you the evidence and everything |
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| 18:51.49 | walter__ | hi |
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| 18:57.47 | kde2535 | maziar could you try reinstalling bootloader using debian installation media. it usually fixes such problems. |
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| 18:58.59 | kde2535 | from installation media select advanced than graphical rescue mode |
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| 19:04.35 | jelly | maziar: hm, you didn't show the output of ls -l /dev/mapper/ /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 19:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | Reinstalling the bootloader is unlikely to help, this is not a grub problem, but likely an initrd problem. |
| 19:06.16 | jelly | maziar: do you have a live linux image of some sort? If so, can you boot it and show the output of "blkid" and "lsblk" as root. You can try those even right now in initramfs shell, but I don't think they exist |
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| 19:10.34 | OY1R | i cant get my rpi to work with a wifi dongle, can anyone assist me ? |
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| 19:14.37 | ahmed_ | excuse me, i use debian kde when i connect my android phone by cable i can read only can't paste from my pc to mobile ? |
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| 19:17.10 | jiggawattz | 'allo |
| 19:17.20 | jiggawattz | is it possible to install Upstart on Debian 9 |
| 19:17.31 | jiggawattz | to replace systemd and ini |
| 19:17.32 | jiggawattz | t |
| 19:17.33 | jelly | !tias |
| 19:17.33 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 19:17.38 | jiggawattz | well |
| 19:17.41 | jiggawattz | what package is it in |
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| 19:18.01 | jiggawattz | ah |
| 19:18.11 | jiggawattz | https://wiki.debian.org/Upstart |
| 19:19.14 | jiggawattz | and is this channel only dedicated to Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:19.21 | jiggawattz | GNU/Hurd not acceptable? |
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| 19:19.52 | jelly | there are other channels for the less common architectures, including hard |
| 19:19.53 | jiggawattz | or GNU/kBSD |
| 19:19.54 | jelly | hurd* |
| 19:19.57 | jiggawattz | ah |
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| 19:20.25 | jiggawattz | oh but on OFTC |
| 19:20.28 | jiggawattz | wtf is that b.s. |
| 19:21.05 | jelly | that is where most debian channels have been for the last 12 years |
| 19:21.14 | jiggawattz | yah |
| 19:21.18 | jiggawattz | I remember the great split |
| 19:21.29 | jiggawattz | my social channel #grasshoppers moved to OFTC too |
| 19:21.58 | jiggawattz | I remember when this network was OpenProjectsNet |
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| 19:22.20 | jiggawattz | before lilo started embezzling funds and got run over by a bicycle |
| 19:22.57 | jiggawattz | I think Debian 9 is good though |
| 19:23.04 | jelly | keep this channel for tech questions please, tho |
| 19:23.08 | jiggawattz | I'm really happy that people continue to maintain Debian |
| 19:23.10 | jiggawattz | ok |
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| 19:25.39 | TheG0ldenG0d | Im using ufw to manage my firewall rules in Debian. I am not using IPV6. Is it safe to delete all of the ufw rules that have v6 next to them in this case |
| 19:25.58 | jiggawattz | TheG0ldenG0d: sure |
| 19:26.16 | jiggawattz | if you aren't using IPv6, they don't apply to anything |
| 19:26.58 | TheG0ldenG0d | ok thanks |
| 19:27.01 | jiggawattz | sure np |
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| 19:29.22 | jiggawattz | jelly: whats your thoughts on kubernetes |
| 19:29.26 | jiggawattz | a.k.a. google containers |
| 19:30.16 | jiggawattz | I don't think they should market it as "Google Containers" though |
| 19:30.23 | jiggawattz | makes you think that all your data will be sent to google |
| 19:30.32 | jiggawattz | oh oops thought this was -offtopic |
| 19:30.43 | LtL | jiggawattz: you may get an answer on #debian-offtopic |
| 19:30.48 | jiggawattz | yeah |
| 19:30.51 | jiggawattz | thorry |
| 19:31.04 | LtL | jiggawattz: no worries |
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| 19:48.32 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:49.35 | Posterdati | which is the debian stretch version for an hp proliant dl380 g3 (xeon 3.2 GHz)? AMD64, EMT64 or i686? |
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| 19:52.07 | RoyK | Posterdati: looks like it's 32bit, so i686 |
| 19:52.25 | RoyK | Posterdati: pretty old machine :) |
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| 19:52.44 | RoyK | damn - it even has PCI-X :D |
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| 19:54.08 | RoyK | Posterdati: doesn't look much older than 20 years - possibly less |
| 19:54.55 | Posterdati | isn't a 64 bit cpu? |
| 19:55.56 | jhutchins_wk | I thought all xeons were 64, I thought that was the point of the line. |
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| 19:56.41 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 19:56.46 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: I would assume x86_64, but that's not authoritative. |
| 19:56.47 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: then amd64? |
| 19:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: Nope. |
| 19:57.20 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: For non-xeon intel you would use that. |
| 19:58.01 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: xeon is the survival of the original non-compatible 64b intel-only architecture. |
| 19:58.04 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: nope - xeons came out before intel adopted the amd64 instruction set |
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| 19:58.43 | RoyK | googling the cpu leads me to https://ark.intel.com/products/27279/Intel-Xeon-Processor-3_20-GHz-1M-Cache-533-MHz-FSB, which is 32bit |
| 19:58.48 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: I know, but there isn't any ia64 or emt64 in debian download page |
| 19:59.30 | RoyK | ia64/emt64 was the spinoff of the old DEC Alpha - may it rest in peace |
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| 20:00.34 | jhutchins_wk | AH, I may be thinking itanium, not xeon. |
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| 20:00.48 | Posterdati | so i386? |
| 20:00.49 | RoyK | itanium is ia64/emt64, yes |
| 20:00.53 | RoyK | looks so |
| 20:00.56 | RoyK | taht is, i686 |
| 20:01.04 | RoyK | there's no support for i386 anymore |
| 20:01.23 | RoyK | iirc i486 is still supported, though |
| 20:01.33 | RoyK | but not with debian |
| 20:02.10 | Posterdati | but the debian 9.2.0 has got an i386 iso which should cover all 32bit cpus |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_wk | https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures - i386, but nothing i486 specific. Itanium is unsupported. |
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| 20:03.22 | jhutchins_wk | No more 390 support. |
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| 20:03.34 | RoyK | Posterdati: it's called i386, but it most definetely won't support the 80386 CPU, only from i486 and up, possibly from i686, but then, that's not relevant for you, since the xeon is i686 |
| 20:04.06 | RoyK | upstream kernel cut the 80386 support years ago and although debian is conservative, it's not *that* conservative |
| 20:04.14 | Posterdati | RoyK: so i386 image then |
| 20:04.19 | RoyK | yep |
| 20:04.48 | RoyK | it'll be fun to see the performance of that thing :D |
| 20:05.03 | RoyK | btw, it's quite possibly from 2001 or thereabouts |
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| 20:07.13 | jhutchins_wk | Acording to this, the xeon instruction set is x86-64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon |
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| 20:07.15 | Posterdati | 2004 |
| 20:07.58 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Xeon_.28DP.29_.26_Xeon_MP_.2832-bit.29 |
| 20:08.05 | Posterdati | I've got this with one 36GB scsi disk plus an hp proliant ml350 |
| 20:08.10 | Posterdati | at 20Euros |
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| 20:08.23 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, just bad formatting, there's the 32 farther down the page. |
| 20:08.25 | Posterdati | the latter with 2 GB ECC RAM |
| 20:08.43 | Posterdati | the ML350 is 64 bit |
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| 20:09.31 | RoyK | Posterdati: ML350 generation what? |
| 20:09.44 | RoyK | Posterdati: they have a lot of generations, I beleive G3 was 32bit |
| 20:10.26 | RoyK | Posterdati: the different models just retain the approximate form factor |
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| 20:11.54 | Posterdati | RoyK: G4 |
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| 20:12.15 | RoyK | 20:49 < Posterdati > which is the debian stretch version for an hp proliant dl380 g3 (xeon 3.2 GHz)? AMD64, EMT64 or i686? â········································· |
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| 20:12.40 | Posterdati | RoyK: then? |
| 20:12.45 | Posterdati | RoyK: I own both |
| 20:12.50 | RoyK | ah |
| 20:13.05 | Posterdati | DL380 G3 and ML350 G4 |
| 20:13.09 | Posterdati | I wrote that |
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| 20:13.18 | Posterdati | I bought them for 20 Euros |
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| 20:13.27 | jak2020 | hi all |
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| 20:13.41 | RoyK | Posterdati: looks like G4 may be 64bit |
| 20:13.54 | jak2020 | how to check if /var/lib/mysql is: read-only storage? |
| 20:13.55 | RoyK | Posterdati: just try to boot a netinstall on both, it'll find out |
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| 20:14.25 | Posterdati | RoyK: it is, I've got freebsd 11 amd64 on it |
| 20:14.34 | RoyK | jak2020: df -h /var/lib/mysql will show which device is mounted there and /proc/mounts will show if it's read-only |
| 20:14.35 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: You could boot a live 32b image and check the CPU. |
| 20:14.39 | RoyK | Posterdati: ok, nice |
| 20:15.00 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: or just try the 64bit and see what happens ;) |
| 20:15.13 | jhutchins_wk | jak2020: Mount will also show ro, but it's a bit cluttered. |
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| 20:15.30 | jak2020 | RoyK: /dev/sda1 286G 4.5G 267G 2% / |
| 20:15.35 | Posterdati | RoyK: it is very fast when compiling or using CPU, but terrible with disk and obviously for graphics |
| 20:15.38 | jak2020 | but how to check? |
| 20:15.43 | RoyK | jak2020: so grep -w / /proc/mounts |
| 20:15.44 | jak2020 | if is mounted readonly? |
| 20:16.14 | jak2020 | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
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| 20:16.19 | jak2020 | and: /dev/sda1 / ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 20:16.20 | RoyK | jak2020: then you'll see "ro" as flag there |
| 20:16.28 | RoyK | so no |
| 20:16.54 | RoyK | Posterdati: if you attempt to boot a 32bit machine with a 64bit image, it'll fail to boot, it's that simple |
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| 20:18.37 | RoyK | Posterdati: and btw, disk I/O speed is likely to be about the same, at least for IOPS, that is, depending on whether the drives are 7k5, 10k or 15k, which obviously will make a difference. If the G4 has SAS, it should be able to use a SATA SSD too |
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| 20:19.03 | RoyK | the G4 came with SCSI and SAS, different models |
| 20:19.36 | jak2020 | i have a problem with my mysql directory: https://paste.debian.net/996720/ |
| 20:19.47 | jak2020 | this line: Nov 20 10:05:36 SwManzana mysqld[1550]: 171120 10:05:36 [ERROR] InnoDB: File (unknown): 'read' returned OS error 105. Cannot continue operation |
| 20:19.52 | jak2020 | say a 105 error.... |
| 20:19.54 | Posterdati | RoyK: it is a SAS |
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| 20:19.58 | RoyK | jak2020: anything in dmesg? |
| 20:20.01 | RoyK | Posterdati: nice |
| 20:20.10 | greycat | /usr/include/asm-generic/errno.h:#define ENOBUFS 105 /* No buffer space available */ |
| 20:20.35 | jak2020 | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/996726/ |
| 20:20.37 | jak2020 | dmesg |
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| 20:21.05 | RoyK | jak2020: lots of disk errors there - check smartctl -a /dev/sda |
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| 20:21.24 | RoyK | jak2020: and pray to your favorite god you have a good backup |
| 20:21.39 | jak2020 | smartctl command not found |
| 20:21.42 | jak2020 | installing |
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| 20:22.35 | jak2020 | apt install smartctl not install :( |
| 20:22.41 | RoyK | smartmontools |
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| 20:23.12 | Posterdati | RoyK: I belive the one who sold to me removed part of the original ECC RAM |
| 20:23.39 | RoyK | Posterdati: lshw or dmidecode should show what's there |
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| 20:24.54 | RoyK | Posterdati: the network installer on debian should boot fine on 512MB or even down to 128MB (last I tried) |
| 20:25.52 | blessedekko | anyone have experience installing build-gnuradio for hackrf in debian? |
| 20:26.48 | jak2020 | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/996757/ |
| 20:27.21 | RoyK | jak2020: 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 7 |
| 20:27.24 | RoyK | not good |
| 20:27.32 | RoyK | jak2020: is this in a raid or is it a single drive? |
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| 20:27.49 | jak2020 | single drive |
| 20:27.52 | Posterdati | RoyK: the DL380 = 1 GB, the ML350 = 2 GB |
| 20:28.02 | Posterdati | RoyK: both ECC |
| 20:28.20 | RoyK | Posterdati: lshw/dmidecoe will show you how many memory modules you have as well, which is nice |
| 20:28.47 | RoyK | jak2020: then unplug the drive and plug it into something else with space enough to ddrescue the whole drive to somewhere else |
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| 20:29.04 | RoyK | jak2020: that is, if you have a backup, never mind, just restore from backup to some other disk |
| 20:29.21 | jak2020 | old backup :( |
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| 20:30.12 | RoyK | jak2020: usual failure - well - do you have another machine with room for the whole disk? ddrescue can do miracles if you're lucky |
| 20:30.39 | RoyK | jak2020: and next time - setup a mirror *and* use an offsite backup |
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| 20:31.15 | RoyK | wonders how many times he's stressed people on redundancy and at least backup, but it's at least in double digits |
| 20:31.21 | lrvick | So I am using debian as part of an airgapped system. Can anyone think of a clean way to have usb storage devices be automatically mounted via usbmount or similar -but- refuse to enumerate any other devices? |
| 20:31.22 | Posterdati | RoyK, jhutchins_wk: thanks for help |
| 20:31.39 | lrvick | looking to stop DMA attacks, badusb attacks, etc |
| 20:31.56 | jak2020 | yes |
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| 20:32.09 | lrvick | I -could- epoxy all the external ports, but I would prefer a software solution |
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| 20:33.37 | RoyK | lrvick: what other devices? mouse/keyboard? |
| 20:34.02 | mrr0butt | """devices""" |
| 20:35.09 | jak2020 | RoyK you know about mysql ? |
| 20:35.11 | mrr0butt | udev event |
| 20:35.43 | lrvick | RoyK: anything. I only want the ability to mount storage devices, and want all other external device types to fail to enumerate |
| 20:35.48 | RoyK | jak2020: yes, is the database important/critical? |
| 20:36.03 | lrvick | so if someone has a flash drive that emulates an HID keyboard, it would fail, etc |
| 20:36.09 | mrr0butt | you could make some udevrules |
| 20:36.26 | RoyK | lrvick: I don't really care about enumeration, at least so far, but "blacklist evdev" and it may help |
| 20:36.29 | jak2020 | so so: i try backup my database with tar command: tar -zxvf /var/lib/mysql/dbomana20172018 mydb.tar.gz (in my linux server) and try restore on my windwos pc, i can use the database and show tables but when try select * from tmtarima say me: Table 'dbomana20172018.tmtarima' doesn't exist in engine why? |
| 20:36.51 | lrvick | RoyK: i do need the keyboard and trackpad on the laptop to work, just nothing else. |
| 20:36.54 | RoyK | lrvick: I do that with some raspberry pi's that we use as infoscreens |
| 20:37.02 | RoyK | ah |
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| 20:37.08 | lrvick | if I could just disable the pci buses the external ports use |
| 20:37.17 | lrvick | that would maybe work too |
| 20:37.40 | RoyK | lrvick: then perhaps as mrr0butt suggested, some udev magick |
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| 20:38.58 | mrr0butt | http://weininger.net/how-to-write-udev-rules-for-usb-devices.html |
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| 20:40.38 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone know why pklocalauthority is ignored in debian ? |
| 20:41.12 | lrvick | RoyK: I feel like udev layer would be too high? |
| 20:41.25 | RoyK | lrvick: for what? |
| 20:41.34 | lrvick | if I whitelist a usb iD of 1234 |
| 20:41.52 | lrvick | for the internal keyboard, then an attacker could just make their device mimmic that id |
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| 20:42.09 | lrvick | usb devices don't have signing. |
| 20:42.19 | lrvick | so I need to somehow disable ports |
| 20:42.20 | jak2020 | RoyK how to integrate this db? know or any link to read? (i think the data isnt corrupted) |
| 20:42.25 | RoyK | lrvick: the article mrr0butt posted also showed you to pick the port |
| 20:42.27 | lrvick | worst case i can cut the traces to them |
| 20:42.39 | lrvick | I had no idea udev could do that |
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| 20:42.42 | lrvick | looks |
| 20:42.43 | RoyK | jak2020: just get the data off that drive first |
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| 20:43.02 | jak2020 | turn off |
| 20:43.03 | jak2020 | ok |
| 20:43.18 | mrr0butt | lrvick, you can additional blacklist all unused modules |
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| 20:43.43 | RoyK | jak2020: use another drive to which to copy the data - the whole disk - with ddrescue - the normal arguments is a good start |
| 20:44.02 | RoyK | mrr0butt: or remove them |
| 20:44.55 | jak2020 | ok. thanks |
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| 20:46.11 | mrr0butt | https://devuan.org could be maybe intersting RoyK lrvick |
| 20:46.21 | jak2020 | return... |
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| 20:47.59 | RoyK | mrr0butt: In /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf , set MODULES=dep instead of MODULES=most (iirc it's the same on debian as on ubuntu) |
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| 20:50.55 | ewew | anyone ? |
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| 21:05.48 | r3 | bzip2 takes forever, is there a faster compressor? ( x86_64 ) |
| 21:05.58 | greycat | gzip |
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| 21:06.28 | r3 | thanks, I will give it a shot |
| 21:06.35 | GNU\colossus | also, lzop and lz4. or use pigz or pbzip2. |
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| 21:06.57 | ewew | does it depend on size of compresed data ? |
| 21:06.58 | r3 | I assume, it's like anything: fast, cheap, or good - pick 2. |
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| 21:07.08 | GNU\colossus | (and don't use gzip with a higher ratio than -6) |
| 21:07.22 | r3 | I'm all about the defaults, so I won't :) |
| 21:07.24 | GNU\colossus | (it yields very little in terms of bytes saved, but takes a lot more time) |
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| 21:07.46 | greycat | Yeah, if you want better compression, you go with xz or bzip2. |
| 21:07.57 | GNU\colossus | if a reduction in size isn't of paramount importance, ltop and lz4 are your best bets |
| 21:08.03 | GNU\colossus | lzop* |
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| 21:08.19 | GNU\colossus | they also decompress ridiculously fast |
| 21:08.21 | r3 | was trying to stay with a tool that came with the distributed net install |
| 21:08.32 | greycat | gzip fits very nicely, then |
| 21:08.40 | r3 | but if I need more speed I will look into those, thanks GNU\colossus |
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| 21:08.42 | GNU\colossus | well, nothing beats gzip in terms of compatibility and availability :) |
| 21:09.01 | mspo | gzip is really good middle |
| 21:09.08 | GNU\colossus | pigz is the parallel implementation of gzip |
| 21:09.17 | mspo | lz4 is impressively fast, though |
| 21:09.20 | GNU\colossus | so if you have more than one CPU, you can speed things up by using it |
| 21:09.33 | GNU\colossus | the output will be compatible with vanilla gzip |
| 21:09.45 | r3 | interesting, as so many things have more than one core these days |
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| 21:12.17 | GNU\colossus | does anyone of you use a Linux system confiured to not overcommit memory? (i. e. with vm.overcommit_memory=2) |
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| 21:12.23 | GNU\colossus | configured* |
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| 21:25.06 | jhutchins_wk | GNU\colossus: So does pigz create gzip compatible files? |
| 21:25.19 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins_wk, it is supposed to, yes |
| 21:25.49 | GNU\colossus | afair, the output it generates is 100% compatible, but non-parallel gzip compresses a tiny bit better (in terms of storage efficiency) |
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| 21:29.52 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting. |
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| 21:45.17 | ryouma | why not just add an option to gzip? |
| 21:48.01 | jhutchins_wk | ryouma: Multithreading isn't that simple. |
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| 21:52.35 | ryouma | so it's a total rewrite and it would not be useful to stick the rewrite with the original? |
| 21:53.04 | ewew | anyone ? |
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| 21:53.21 | ryouma | we have a kinda large number of binaries and packages for various formats, but if there's a reason then there's a reason |
| 21:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | ryouma: I'm not a coder, but it's a whole different question. How do you distribute the work? How do you recombine it? How do you avoid contention? |
| 21:53.38 | ryouma | you submit a patch to gzip |
| 21:53.42 | jhutchins_wk | There are still a lot of programs that are single threaded. |
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| 21:54.29 | ryouma | not that i am complaining about a parallel gzip (though i don't gzip much) |
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| 21:56.20 | bolovanos | I have installed debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst (in virtualbox, win 10 64b host), but I am on tty login screen unable to insert password. I am used to (shift insert, ctrl+shift+v) from ubuntu and other deb inst - is it permitted to do past on login screen? |
| 21:56.48 | ewew | depend on configuration of vbox. |
| 21:57.11 | bolovanos | it is configuret to accept bidirectional copy paste |
| 21:57.15 | bolovanos | red |
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| 21:58.05 | bolovanos | shift + insert shows "^[[2~" |
| 21:58.07 | ewew | did you clicked on the vbox window a then tried to type the password ? |
| 21:58.26 | bolovanos | it does not change with text in the clipboard |
| 21:58.39 | bolovanos | ewew, yes - typing works |
| 21:58.51 | bolovanos | retyping password does not... |
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| 21:59.37 | ewew | did you try to type password and pressed enter ? |
| 22:00.02 | bolovanos | yes - several times - incorrect login... |
| 22:00.33 | ewew | what type of install did you use ? |
| 22:00.50 | bolovanos | debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst |
| 22:01.01 | ewew | expert install ? |
| 22:01.49 | bolovanos | not sure - if it was choice during install - do not know |
| 22:01.56 | bolovanos | guess it will be faster to reinstall it from scratch |
| 22:01.58 | bolovanos | :/ |
| 22:02.24 | bolovanos | maybe pasting that pasword during installation did not work either |
| 22:02.43 | ewew | wait. did it ask for root password or for user password ? |
| 22:03.05 | bolovanos | it asked for user name (login:)... |
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| 22:04.19 | RoyK | bolovanos: not sure if the vbox thing understands the console - that copy/paste is mainly for the graphical UI |
| 22:05.19 | ewew | first put the name that you selected on install and after enter put the password in. |
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| 22:06.19 | bolovanos | RoyK, yeah that might be the case - but it would be ok if I could access it through ssh |
| 22:06.37 | bolovanos | ewew, yes that was first thing I have done - as I said several times |
| 22:07.04 | bolovanos | my conclusion - pasword inserted during installation process (graphical install) was somehow corrupted |
| 22:07.32 | ewew | or your using key layout different than the install. |
| 22:08.05 | ewew | or characters specific for certain language. |
| 22:08.40 | bolovanos | ewew, nn - it is plain a-zA-Z0-9 |
| 22:08.45 | RoyK | ewew: that usually works well, unicode is nice |
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| 22:09.12 | bolovanos | anyway I have not changed that kb - it is first login screen after install |
| 22:09.14 | ewew | for example exchange for Y Z |
| 22:09.36 | RoyK | that's keystrokes, not characters |
| 22:09.54 | n4dir | assuming ssh-server was choosen during taskel: can you ssh to it? |
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| 22:11.09 | n4dir | and insert the password into the usernmanes field, to make sure the assumption of ewew isn't the real problem |
| 22:11.13 | bolovanos | ewew, good point - installed kb was qwertz, but password does not contain yz :) |
| 22:11.56 | bolovanos | n4dir, unluckyly not - because it is behind nat and I cannot change it to Bridge without tweaking it (I am on wifi...), |
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| 22:12.01 | mrr0butt | bolovanos, did u installed debian from live image? |
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| 22:13.09 | bolovanos | mrr0butt, from this https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:13.21 | ewew | well this is funny did you use the numpad when turned off ? |
| 22:13.24 | bolovanos | which is "Small CDs or USB sticks" from https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst.en.html |
| 22:13.39 | n4dir | i thought this is in virtualbox? |
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| 22:14.08 | mrr0butt | netinstall should work |
| 22:14.15 | bolovanos | ewew, what do you mean by "when turned off"? |
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| 22:14.35 | teraflops | go boot the iso again. pick rescue mode and passwd root to 1234 ;D |
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| 22:14.55 | bolovanos | teraflops, :) |
| 22:14.58 | ewew | numlock off. i tried on xterm with numpad off and the mentioned characters appeard. |
| 22:15.07 | ewew | ^[[2~ |
| 22:15.29 | n4dir | btw: i usually use very easy passwords ... |
| 22:16.26 | ewew | number 0 on numpad is ^[[2~ |
| 22:16.41 | mrr0butt | ssh n4dir@200116b868da8700021a4bfffe4896d9.dip.versatel-1u1.de |
| 22:16.47 | mrr0butt | qwertz |
| 22:16.48 | mrr0butt | :d |
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| 22:17.24 | bolovanos | ewew, interesting but numpad seems to be on (according to control LED) |
| 22:17.30 | n4dir | user password is user, root password is root. always. :-) try that. |
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| 22:17.36 | ewew | can not be trusted. |
| 22:17.37 | dff | is it possible to mount an external drive formated with HFS+ on debian and let a client on macos write to it via smb? |
| 22:17.52 | bolovanos | ewew, ok will test it in login: part |
| 22:17.53 | bolovanos | sec |
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| 22:18.16 | teraflops | dff: nope |
| 22:18.39 | ewew | ok then it happend in the install phase. |
| 22:18.58 | ewew | oops. never mind. |
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| 22:19.33 | ewew | should thing more before writing to irc chat. |
| 22:19.42 | dff | i managed to get the macos client to write on a mounted drive formated with EXT4, but im unsure it will be able to read the data afterwards |
| 22:19.43 | ewew | *think |
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| 22:20.21 | dff | ive been reading up on this for the last 6 hours, and so much conflicting posts everywhere |
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| 22:20.24 | teraflops | dff: you cannot mount hfs+ rw on linux |
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| 22:21.54 | dff | what about this teraflops |
| 22:21.56 | dff | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/hfsprogs |
| 22:22.17 | dff | first line reads, The HFS+ file system used by Apple Computer for their Mac OS is supported by the Linux kernel. |
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| 22:24.13 | bolovanos | ewew, everybody is dead Dave - numlock is ok, numpad is working - login incorrect - new install |
| 22:24.25 | bolovanos | thank you for now guys |
| 22:24.41 | ewew | i recommend the expert install. |
| 22:24.57 | n4dir | bolovanos: if it was me i would do what was proposed above and just change the password instead of reinstalling. |
| 22:25.21 | n4dir | how to do it from the installation media is beyond me, but it can't be much more difficult than from a live-iso |
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| 22:26.23 | bolovanos | n4dir, yes that is possible - but same for me - it is beyoud my knowledge how |
| 22:26.40 | bolovanos | ewew, how can I choose this option? |
| 22:26.52 | n4dir | well: installation runs through quickly, if you don't pick an environment ... |
| 22:27.35 | bolovanos | got it |
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| 22:27.39 | bolovanos | it is in advanced option |
| 22:27.57 | n4dir | i am wondering which advantage the expert install mode is supposed to offer ... |
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| 22:31.07 | bolovanos | n4dir, I was wondering too, but now I can see that you can choose more than one locale as with normal I could choose only one |
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| 22:33.42 | ewew | gives a little more control of the result. |
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| 22:34.15 | bolovanos | anyway - I am missing option to test chosen keyboard... |
| 22:34.43 | ewew | you can show the password when setting up root account and user account. |
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| 23:03.30 | xtore | wonders if anyone here is familiar with the dante socks server |
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| 23:06.15 | rant | wonders if anyone here is familiar with asking useful questions |
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| 23:08.08 | xtore | Not sure if it's off topic here so didn't want to write the whole thing out |
| 23:08.48 | annadane | xtore, is it included in debian? then no, it's not off topic |
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| 23:09.31 | xtore | annadane, ok being a debian noob could you tell me what the latest and greatest debian distro is that has it included? https://packages.debian.org/sid/net/dante-server |
| 23:10.09 | annadane | xtore, well, there you go, it's in stretch |
| 23:10.18 | annadane | so if you just ask a more detailed question we can help you better |
| 23:10.27 | annadane | unless you're using sid, in which case |
| 23:10.29 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 23:10.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:16.32 | xtore | annadane, uhmm is stretch unstable? If so I may go for sid if that's the recommended one |
| 23:16.40 | annadane | xtore, no, stretch is debian stable |
| 23:16.47 | annadane | but you linked sid, which is debian unstable |
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| 23:17.07 | xtore | oh that link was just a random url as a result of my googling |
| 23:17.08 | annadane | but as you can see, the package you linked is available in debian stretch - stable - so it's fine to ask about here |
| 23:17.19 | xtore | What version number is stretch? |
| 23:17.22 | annadane | 9 |
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| 23:19.00 | xtore | Ahh I don't see 9 in esxi 6.5 sadly |
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| 23:19.38 | annadane | xtore, you're running debian inside a virtual machine, then? |
| 23:20.00 | xtore | I will be soon, yes. It's going to be a bit of a hurdle getting it installed however |
| 23:20.20 | xtore | I wonder of debian 6 is still supported? esxi says "legacy" but I assume that's the most tried and tested |
| 23:20.30 | annadane | ah, well, you can probably just download an image and install from there |
| 23:20.41 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 23:21.00 | xtore | Anyway just to let you know the problem I was having with dante was an erronious one probably related to the routing table. So a person on SO solved the problem by switching from centos6 to ubuntu LTS so I figured I could perhaps try one of the debians. |
| 23:21.41 | annadane | you probably do not need debian 6 just for that |
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| 23:24.10 | xtore | yeah but if it magically makes dante work I will be happy |
| 23:24.41 | xtore | I figure since it's an integrated package, then the routing tables will be set up appropriately as opposed to on centos 6 where it's an externel epel package |
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| 23:24.54 | xtore | Here is my guiding light btw if you're curious: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34948050/dante-1-4-1-on-centos-config-error |
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| 23:31.40 | xtore | Oh looks like esxi does support debian 9 |
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| 23:39.47 | SIN3R6Y | Anyone else having issues getting the isc-dhcp-common package? I get an during an installtion im trying to via netinst |
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| 23:41.25 | annadane | ,v isc-dhcp-common |
| 23:41.26 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u8; wheezy-security: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u8; jessie: 4.3.1-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4.3.1-6+deb8u2; stretch: 4.3.5-3; buster: 4.3.5-3+b1; sid: 4.3.5-3+b1 |
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| 23:41.35 | annadane | !bat |
| 23:41.35 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 23:41.39 | annadane | SIN3R6Y, ^ |
| 23:41.56 | annadane | oh, hang on, this is in the installer itself? |
| 23:41.58 | SIN3R6Y | it's debootstrap, so long list. Do you just want the error? |
| 23:42.08 | annadane | yeah, any relevant output |
| 23:42.46 | annadane | (paste.debian.net) |
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| 23:42.58 | SIN3R6Y | E: could not download packages: isc-dhcp-common only error message |
| 23:43.08 | SIN3R6Y | And debbootstrap exists with 1 |
| 23:43.20 | Brigo | SIN3R6Y, are you using stable? |
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| 23:43.32 | SIN3R6Y | yes, latest strech install |
| 23:43.51 | annadane | or termbin, i guess |
| 23:43.54 | annadane | !termbin |
| 23:43.54 | dpkg | termbin is probably you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 23:44.11 | Brigo | nice idea termbin |
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| 23:45.22 | annadane | but if it's in an install situation either one may not work |
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| 23:45.30 | annadane | i'm not very knowledgeable of debootstrap |
| 23:46.00 | Brigo | i guess is in the downloading proced, before the installing or copying. |
| 23:46.10 | Brigo | so network or servers issue. |
| 23:46.11 | annadane | both _should_ be fine but i don't know |
| 23:48.08 | Brigo | SIN3R6Y, or maybe not enought driver space ... |
| 23:48.34 | SIN3R6Y | 16g shouldn't be an issue, but i can check. Waiting for it to fail again |
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| 23:48.45 | SIN3R6Y | It's a minimal install |
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| 23:50.56 | Brigo | SIN3R6Y, if there is 16G availables for the install then you are right. |
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| 23:51.44 | Brigo | i just pointing out the usual problems that can lead to that error message. |
| 23:51.50 | xtore | If I want to install non-gui debian is there an option for that during install or some special trick? |
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| 23:52.21 | n4dir | xtore: yes, don't pick a desktop-environment during taskel, rather at the end of the installation process |
| 23:52.33 | xtore | It's that simple? |
| 23:52.37 | n4dir | it is probably set per default, so you have to untick it. |
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| 23:52.40 | n4dir | yes, that simple |
| 23:53.14 | n4dir | you will be asked if you want a DE, the standard utils, an ssh-server, cups, and a few more things. Pretty obvious |
| 23:53.28 | AlexPortable | How do i isntall mysql-client on debian 8.6? |
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| 23:54.06 | AlexPortable | oh wait it works now nvm |
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| 23:56.36 | SIN3R6Y | Brigo: https://pastebin.com/vmzuERj4 |
| 23:57.43 | annadane | my immediate suspicion is probably a bad mirror and to suggest selecting another |
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| 23:58.35 | SIN3R6Y | annadane, well i can install them using apt in the live env https://pastebin.com/FxycdaEh |
| 23:58.38 | Brigo | i agree, if you can chouse |
| 23:58.55 | SIN3R6Y | debootstrap and apt share the same sources.list |
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| 23:59.18 | Brigo | you can do that too. |
| 23:59.36 | Brigo | just copy from one system to another. |
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| 23:59.59 | SIN3R6Y | Well debootstrap wont actually install the system if packages fail to download |
