IRC log for #debian on 20171121

00:00.10annadaneif you can install from a live env that's probably fine, i assume it will set the system up correctly regardless of when those packages were installed, but in theory it's something to watch out for because it wasn't configured properly at the time
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00:00.44annadanedebian is pretty good about delaying configs and matching them all up ad hoc after the fact
00:01.03annadanenote that i say "probably" and "in theory"
00:01.07annadaneask the non idiots
00:01.51SIN3R6YWell the issue is getting deboostrap to actually install with the missing packages. Might try to setup a local mirror since i can get them via apt
00:02.01annadaneright
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00:02.28annadaneit may also be an improperly set up debootstrap but it makes less sense than a bad mirror
00:02.28SIN3R6Yim using ftp.us.debian.org so i'd hope it's not a mirror issue, but it sure seems like it
00:02.54SIN3R6YAlso considering is deboostrap in a fresh live install
00:03.49annadaneincidentally if it does work with a different mirror i'd report those mirror errors
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00:04.16annadanei'm not sure where the proper place to do it is; perhaps #debian-www on irc.oftc.net
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00:08.49SIN3R6YLooks like an intermittent mirror issue, Running with --verbose i get a 502 error, then up re-run it works fine
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00:09.46annadaneoh, good.
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00:24.32kskHey. Running a 2xQuadcore System with Debian, Can I expect to CPU0 to be cores 1-4 and CPU1 to be cores 5-8 -- or how does that work? :)
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00:26.36koollmanksk: you can use 'lscpu' to know that
00:27.15koollmanksk: example on a dual socket e52620v4, the two last lines: NUMA node0 CPU(s):     0-7,16-23 , NUMA node1 CPU(s):     8-15,24-31
00:27.28koollman(so, no. you cannot just expect that)
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00:29.16kskokay, thanks!
00:33.33annadaneactually for that matter, is there a list of all ls* commands?
00:33.41annadanelscpu, lsblk, lsusb...
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00:38.44ksklsls that would be imho :>
00:38.59LtLannadane: just type ls and hit tab like a rock star
00:39.17kskbut that would depend on installed packages LtL?
00:39.35LtLksk: certainly
00:39.40LtLyes
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00:40.19LtLksk: the majority of 'ls*' cmd's are core cmd's anyway
00:40.22annadaneoh, right. autocomplete.
00:40.26annadanedug.
00:40.28annadaneduh.* even
00:41.12kskautcomplete is the admins friend (or not!).
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00:41.32LtLannadane: depends on your path also i believe, so... be root
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00:41.58LtLor maybe not
00:42.12annadanetime for a science experiment!
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00:42.32annadaneyeah no, i get the same as root and non root
00:42.50annadanethough i used su - instead of su
00:42.50LtLok, cool annadane
00:43.53LtLi'm a firm believer in 'su -' unless i want to become a different regular user.
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00:52.34LtLannadane: one basic difference in su - versus su is that su - will make /root/ your pwd, su will not iirc.
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01:01.46xbadc0deHello
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01:02.22xbadc0deI have installed debian, testing and for some reason I dont have the usual login screen where I can choose which WM to use
01:02.29xbadc0deX seems to not start automatically
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01:02.53xbadc0debecause if I do startx everything goes in normally but I dont get to change my window manager
01:02.56xbadc0decan you help?
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01:04.00annadanexbadc0de, did you use the testing installer? if you're just looking to install testing (as opposed to testing the installer) it's better to install a minimal stable first, upgrade to testing and then add what you need
01:04.04annadanethat being said,
01:04.06annadane!debian-next
01:04.06dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
01:04.53xbadc0deannadane: I did use stable and then changed my repos to testing
01:05.04xbadc0deand everything seems to be almost working
01:05.10xbadc0deexcept this issue with startx
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01:32.19xtoreSo after installing debian 9 I find that the command ifconfig does not exist
01:33.01mutantextore: it has been replaced by the "ip" command
01:33.09mutanteifconfig is outdated
01:33.37mutantextore: for example "ip a s" to show stuff
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01:36.55LtLstrange as it is a fresh stretch install on a new hdd on my laptop *does* have ifconfig. go figure i don't recall doing anything special.
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01:43.53LtLmutante: 'ip a' does the same thing as ip a s
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01:49.33mrr0buttifconfig is still in the repo its just not installed by default
01:49.45mrr0buttapt-get install net-tools
01:50.33mrr0buttbut due its not preinstalled you should be abel do the stuff with ip
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01:53.24mrr0buttand it can do way more stuff then ifconfig
01:53.37mrr0buttip link help
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01:54.36mrr0butt!py3 ip link help
01:55.02mrr0buttups :D
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02:03.54TyrfingMjolnirIs there a way to see if there are disk speed failure? Using proc or similar
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02:31.12xtoremutante, my most used commands were "ifconfig -a" to get an idea of what was there and half there and also "ifconfig eth0 up" and "ifconfig eth0 down"
02:33.05xtorewonders if he can safely rename "ens192" in the /etc/network/interfaces file to "eth0" without breaking anything
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02:37.43SIN3R6YSo i have tasksel stuck at conifguring dbus for about 30 min, systemd using 100% cpu
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02:40.41hanasakiso debian hangs on grub on boot of an appolo lake processor however libreelec boots fine.   any thoughts as to why and how to get debian to boot ok?
02:40.48hanasakithis is the iso for the installer
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03:11.32transhumanHi! asking this question here hoping someone can point me to the right place to ask
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03:11.56transhumanhttps://libraries.io/npm/node-dxf  < where do I put the USAGE script for running it and how do I call it from npm?
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03:16.42transhumannever mind figured it out some what npm run --script <script name> but I have to create a packages.json, now to figure out how!
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04:22.40fishcookerwhat's preferred apps to handle copy paste list of commands?
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04:26.53awal1_fishcooker, paste where?
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04:28.59bazhangawal1_, he means something like pastebinit
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04:29.16awal1_bazhang, ah, ok
04:29.34awal1_there is also termbin, I think
04:29.42awal1_,v termbin
04:29.43juddNo package named 'termbin' was found in amd64.
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04:39.17transhumanhi! Anyone able to help me figure out this mess with npm ? http://paste.debian.net/996800/
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05:02.42indust▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL HAS BEEN STRUGGLING WITH FINDING OUT THAT EMERSON AND DAX ARE GAY QUEENS: xand terr1 Shadowcrit systo marens benj_ necrogami lionheartActual adrenaline mkam[m] Relicka abff LocaMocha sqz planetmaker jh Dezponia amd_0x51 therock247uk stefanc_diff JesseWalling mreznik geir_ chrissl PaulePanter distantorigin Spitfire sloucher
05:02.42lucr3zi4b▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL IS DOING LIVE SEX SHOWS TO MAKE MONEY WHILE IN SCHOOL @ TRANNIESFORSALE.COM: boser dbristow domovoy_ shpingrlde Asoka chalcedony t3eblinder1 Zorroness sussudio lsyoyom argusbr ageis jeddi Sina maf_p mentor makz awhitlock8 _rubik Pugabyte Sir_Designer__ daemonkeeper MobileMatt waz0wski canvon_ CeBe luuh Aebian ChmEarl TimWolla lsv RebelCoderR
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05:02.42indust▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL TELLS PEOPLE TO GET A GUN AND KILL THEMSELVES AND DEMIURGE (e) IS SUCH A PUSSY AND SCARED TO KLINE OPAL.: tolecnal juhop RUDE serban flipp somnambler supersoju vegenaise likcoras smidlers _systemd_is_evil nyuszika7h Stummi Druid Nik05 kriskropd zymurgy sobkas Sina SirCmpwn chachasmooth_ O SIN3R6Y thero
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05:02.42lucr3zi4b▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL TELLS PEOPLE TO GET A GUN AND KILL THEMSELVES AND DEMIURGE (e) IS SUCH A PUSSY AND SCARED TO KLINE OPAL.: Quick_Wango babyflakes hipodils1i ezra-s PhonicUK ShaRose BotaniCar volodim natr0x kbob ScottE staircrusher lankanmon jandrusk ejsf TMan459 stwalkerster Dragon5232 grandfso nezZario ledeni Snakes chrissl Toffe ghostyyy zolo tab
05:02.42BARBIE20▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL HAS BEEN STRUGGLING WITH FINDING OUT THAT EMERSON AND DAX ARE GAY QUEENS: askz jonathan_ Pelle` Ring0` Quantumcross eb0t_ bogus- CHRiSNEW nyuszika7h cyboman33 vincent_c Saar hank thecoffemaker qzo NeoBlaster chrissl Ad1Tech edwardly fiQmob gandiva pierrot Bercik xtore Doldge fast tomreyn stu_meat Jdbye m
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05:02.43AyLa▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL TELLS PEOPLE TO GET A GUN AND KILL THEMSELVES AND DEMIURGE (e) IS SUCH A PUSSY AND SCARED TO KLINE OPAL.: noodle beaver elik lbata phogg WebDawg fishcooker palinuro Janhouse nprs benf BaW styks1987 solos mspo PhilSliderS pppktz lift mdroid GGMethos BotaniCar tugrik sekjun9878 gr4yscale nopf CrazyyMaxx pipeep nur
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05:02.43taakeslot▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ VAP0R IS STILL PROMOTING WHITE SUPREMACY IN #/JOIN AND OPERS HAVE NOT STOPPED IT: christel kevy0 StephenS botho blazeme8 b0l3x sc_ duckydan wingman2 fast KjetilK yuastnav Cosmophile kward Butt3rfly flipp sucks rolig mcintosh mete netrace Piper moss |ifei5good acperkins Nd-69-M serban wooden_ benf CrazyEddy larjona cbdev luz1 SleePy hid3 skz enkry
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05:02.44wiedz▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL IS DOING LIVE SEX SHOWS TO MAKE MONEY WHILE IN SCHOOL @ TRANNIESFORSALE.COM: Enrico_Menotti babilen croddy le_pig ryan-c duoi turfrex hicks_ DLange bradjones Fusl konimex dixie7z_ peteski wooden_ Delta-One andhoy KjetilK jhutchins sandman13 cadeskywalker ShaRose TonyL LaunchDirector j7k6 Schmantinski Loomaanaatii Arroyo1010 talin superkulak judd RyanKnack Gurty
05:02.44gunda▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ OPAL TELLS PEOPLE TO GET A GUN AND KILL THEMSELVES AND DEMIURGE (e) IS SUCH A PUSSY AND SCARED TO KLINE OPAL.: petemc Ishaq Netwolf amospalla urzds kline bureado atwar altendky kward olegfusion sidmo_ james41382 Arrowmaster flipp Profound Noah0504 benf phantomcircuit DK2 xar- rxo `z lionheartActual iter hexhaxtron SolarAquarion ibex coolchris ozzloy papitf
05:02.44ziomecz▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL HAS REALIZED THAT SHE IS JUST NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BE AN OP AND HAS GIVEN CHRISTEL HER RESIGNATION: Guest24088 mcintosh Natrick x-fak frlttrwrd mavhq jesopo eb0t_ mattgirv fcanela shingouz volodim Henry151 Toris ledeni TReK ramshadow Mahe dbristow abff heinrich5991 alxd nezZario jim PaulePanter
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05:03.38fishcookerqlipper like awal1_ bazhang
05:04.00sandman13Operators!
05:04.06fishcookerwhat a spammer!
05:04.31LocaMochaKindly refrain from commenting on it.
05:04.34r3myou all know he/she still here waiting for reaction? dont feed the troll
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06:08.29pale3anyone experience relocation error on chromium startup in debian stable
06:08.57pale3/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: relocation error: /usr/lib/chromium/chromium: symbol jpeg_skip_scanlines, version LIBJPEG_6.2 not defined in file libjpeg.so.62 with link time reference
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06:34.33Chr|sIm either stupid....or just really stupid. I downloaded the cinnamon live cd for debian and I have it loaded, how do I install? isn't their an option to install using GUI?
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06:38.02awal1_Chr|s, live images are not really the recommended ones for install
06:38.22Chr|sblah, I figured I could install from a live cd lol
06:39.29jordanmthere was a live installer, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not around anymore. the team working on it was small
06:40.02Chr|soh alright
06:40.10tamarindoChr|s: but i guess there's still an "install" icon on the live desktop
06:40.41Chr|syeah, I figured that was the case, but no install icon here
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06:41.33tamarindoChr|s: not even in the menus? things change so quickly, i'm getting old :-D
06:42.19Chr|shah I hear you there. Nope, checked the menus, I don't see anything.
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06:42.58Chr|sI was suprised how fast the LiveCD loaded up. Just like a regular desktop
06:45.56tamarindoyeah... as far as i understood the debian live project will disappear because of lack of developers
06:46.06tamarindothat's quite sad
06:46.56tamarindo(just now that it loads quickly! :-) )
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07:19.41jellypale3: what does this say: dpkg -l chromium libjpeg62-turbo | tail -n 2
07:20.37pale3jelly: ii  chromium              62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1 amd64        web browser
07:20.39pale3ii  libjpeg62-turbo:amd64 1:1.5.1-2             amd64        libjpeg-turbo JPEG runtime library
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07:22.22jelly,v chromium --arch amd64
07:22.23juddPackage: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; sid: 62.0.3202.89-1; experimental: 63.0.3239.30-1
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07:24.14pale3jelly: what is (,v)?
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07:27.16jellyasking the bot to list versions aviailable from debian repos at present time
07:28.03pale3ohh, nice
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07:28.52pale3jelly: can you reproduce same?
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07:49.16jellypale3: nope, same versions of amd64 packages work fine here.  Can you show the output of: ldd /usr/lib/chromium/chromium|grep jpe
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07:49.53pale3jelly: libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0x00007efd1b8b9000)
07:50.08jellythat's very old.
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07:50.30jellypale3: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62)
07:51.17pale3dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6
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07:53.22jellypale3: move that /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6 away from that directory, run "ldconfig" as root, and try again
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08:25.12stivexHi everyone! I'm trying to configure a camcorder with firewire port (Canon MV960) on Debian Jessie. I'm trying to use dvgrab or kino apps for capturing video. It seems that OS detects the PCI card wich it has the firewire port, but not the camcorder.
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08:32.31RoyKstivex: https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Utilities#linux-firewire-utils <-- seems there's a lsfirewire util in there - probably just download and compile
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08:48.18darxmurfwhy my XFCE if not showing USB key when I plug them now ?
08:48.26darxmurfI have to mount by hand
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09:07.52abffis it with the same usb key or is it every different usb storage device
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09:08.56darxmurffixed, I installed gvfs and all good now
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09:09.12darxmurfI lost some packages the other day after a weird apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade
09:09.27darxmurfmaybe gvfs went away too at this time
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09:10.21bryanfrommacauHi
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09:10.32bryanfrommacauHow can I make xrandr changes permanent in debian?
09:11.48abffdarxmurf maybe, but that shouldn't be necessary,  in xfce all of that is under Settings > Removable Drives and Media
09:12.06AllanisYou can place your xrandr stuff in .xinitrc
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09:15.18bryanfrommacauok I'll try that
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09:17.28darxmurfabff: yep it was configured correctly there
09:17.39darxmurfbut apparently it needs gvfs to auto show the devices
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09:21.26AllanisAll good bryanfrommacau?
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09:23.00abffwell done!
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09:31.58mrigHello
09:32.22bryaninmacauI can't find any .xinitrc file
09:32.41bryaninmacaushould I make one?
09:33.09mrigI am just running a CD check from the installer on the 1st installation DVD which I have on a USB key, it is failing the test. Any thoughts as to how best to proceed.
09:33.27Allanisbryaninmacau: Yeah, feel free to make one.
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09:35.56mrigI have just run a sha1sum on the iso file that was used to make the drive and that is fine.
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09:44.51bryaninmacauCreating the  .xinitrc file in the user directory had no effect
09:45.00bryaninmacaushould it be in a different location?
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09:48.50Allanisbryaninmacau: Yes, xinitrc lives in your user directory. It might need some additional configuration. I'm sorry I'm at work so I can't really help extensively.
09:49.03sillysluxbryaninmacau, you also have to put your xrandr commands in there
09:49.25AllanisYou could also try ~/.xsession though to start it upon launching X.
09:50.10bryaninmacauI see a .xsession-errors file, but no .xsession file
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09:52.04sillysluxalso my wm supports .xprofile :/
09:52.22bryaninmacauDoes it make a difference if I'm using lxde?
09:52.27sillysluxan other thing you could do is configuring lightdm
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09:53.04Allanisbryaninmacau: That doesn't make any difference no.
09:53.39sillysluxi use greeter-setup-script = /etc/lightdm/screen_setup.sh and do it from there
09:53.52CyberManifestare the proper permissions in place?
09:53.57bryaninmacauThat will run automatically?
09:54.03bryaninmacauAnything that will work will be fine
09:54.21bryaninmacauright now I just manually run a shell script every time I boot
09:54.29sillysluxthe greeter-setup-script is run automatically
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09:55.25AllanisDoesn't arandr create any startup scripts I wonder?
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09:55.35sillysluxit's defined after [Seat:*] autologin-stuff
09:56.05sillysluxif you want autologin
09:56.29sillysluxjust make sure [Seat:*] is the section in your config
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09:57.17sillysluxi also use session-setup-script with the same file, dunno if that's needed
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10:01.42jeanjackhi there
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10:02.28jeanjacki'm upgrading a server from jessie to stretch. I have issues with the rpcbind packages ...
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10:03.08jeanjackwhen i stop the rpcbind service, the dist-upgrade works, but at reboot I have an error
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10:04.17babilenOne might wonder what that error could be ;)
10:04.36bryaninmacauI copied monitorsettings.sh to the lightdm folder
10:04.49bryaninmacauI found the lightdm.conf file, and the seat section
10:04.55bryaninmacaubut I don't really understand how to edit it
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10:06.16sillysluxthis is the script i use in lightdm.conf http://paste.debian.net/996821/
10:07.09sillysluxbryaninmacau, if you're in an terminal, you can use nano, vi, pico, joe to edit it
10:07.25sillysluxyou'll have to do it as user root
10:07.40bryaninmacauthat url looks like it has your xrandr settings
10:07.54bryaninmacauis that really the configuration file?
10:08.13sillysluxthis script is called from lightdm
10:08.22bryaninmacauok
10:08.32bryaninmacauI have my shell script ready, I just wasn't sure how to call it
10:08.57nunojpgon a minimum debootstrap stretch installation, I see that dhclient is started on boot, and is not restarted on eth down/up. Who is starting dhclient, and is there a package to trigger a dhcp lease request just after eth up?
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10:09.49sillysluxin lightdm.conf find the line that reads [Seat:*] make sure it's not commented, then add the lines for greeter-setup-script and seession-setup-script, you can find all examples in lightdm.conf
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10:11.38sillysluxnunojpg, you can configure your nic to do dhcp automatically in /etc/network/interfaces
10:12.52nunojpgsillyslux, thanks. I am doing that, but in case the cable is disconnected on boot, than dhclient will sleep for 5 minutes until it tries again, while on desktop installations it is triggered as soon as eth comes up
10:13.02sillysluxlike auto enp1s0  \n iface enp1s0 inet dhcp
10:13.42sillysluxsleep for 5 minutes? seems oddly long, dunno about that
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10:15.00sillysluxby desktop installations i assume you mean network-manager? there's to little i know about that either :/
10:15.16moritz_hello. I am running stretch and tried to upgrade mpv from backports which uninstalled my nvidia driver. I removed mpv again and tried to reinstall the nvidia driver but apt complains about broken packages. Of which there are none.
10:15.18moritz_http://paste.ubuntu.com/26011274/
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10:15.40moritz_(apt-get install nvidia-driver)
10:16.39nunojpgsillyslux: yes. Or maybe ConnMan. I was trying to understand who is getting the kernel event to trigger a new dhcp request
10:16.43nunojpgthanks anyway!
10:18.03bryaninmacaudo I just put the path name after greeter-setup-script?
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10:18.11bryaninmacauor just the filename?
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10:18.16sillysluxthe full path
10:18.51sillysluxlike  greeter-setup-script = /etc/lightdm/screen_setup.sh
10:18.58moritz_Any ideas how to fix this?
10:19.05sillysluxand the script can be located anywhere
10:19.20petn-randall!bat
10:19.20dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:19.30petn-randallmoritz_: Can you provide all the info above in a single paste? ^^^
10:19.38moritz_Sure a moment.
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10:21.31dffis it possible to mount a HFS+ file system on a USB drive with debian using hfsprogs and then have a macos client read/write to it via smb?
10:22.06bryaninmacauI think I broke my machine :/
10:22.56sillysluxmeh, how so?
10:23.26bryaninmacauWhen I try to boot up, the screen just starts flashing
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10:24.46moritz_petn-randall:  http://paste.debian.net/996824/
10:24.50moritz_Thank you very much.
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10:24.56sillysluxuse ctrl-alt-f1 to switch to a terminal and fix or revert the changes you made to your lightdm.conf
10:25.38sillysluxand/or your setup script
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10:28.31bryaninmacauok, back to normal o.o
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10:30.49bryaninmacaumy file just had xrandr --newmode, and xrandr --addmode lines
10:31.02sillysluxno shebang?
10:31.16bryaninmacauoh
10:31.17bryaninmacauno
10:31.25sillysluxsee the 1st line in mine
10:31.51bryaninmacauSo if I add that, it might work?
10:31.56sillysluxyes
10:32.10bryaninmacauok, I'll give it a try
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10:32.34bryaninmacaugtg, thanks for the help!
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10:35.17dffanyone in here have experience with hfsprogs?
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10:46.13gladioacutoBIOS is last-updated on my Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th gen, running stretch. However I get those horrible lines in dmesg, how to fix? Expecially for CPU temp...even it does not seem to overheat and to oversteer the fan..please help. http://paste.debian.net/996827/
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10:49.15gun1xguys, i found within /var/lib/libvirt/qemu aes master keys and monitor sockets for all deleted VMs. are these still needed ?
10:49.52petn-randallmoritz_: Ah, you're running a mix of stable/testing/unstable. It's not recommended to mix those. My first guess is that you have some library installed from testing/sid that nvidia-driver depends on somewhere down the dependency chain.
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10:50.46petn-randallmoritz_: What you can do is try running 'apt install nvidia-driver-libs' and check what dependency fails to install, then run 'apt install <failed_dependency>', and repeat until you find the cause.
10:51.42moritz_i will paste the aptitude output it is more informative. libglvnd0 is the problem.
10:51.46moritz_is rebooting
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10:53.30petn-randallmoritz_: Is there a reason you've got testing/sid in your sources.list?
10:53.47moritz_Yes. remmina-rdp. Nothing else.
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10:56.50petn-randallmoritz_: The better way is to make a backport, it's quite simple.
10:56.56petn-randall,v remmina-rdp
10:56.57juddNo package named 'remmina-rdp' was found in amd64.
10:57.23petn-randall,v remmina-plugin-rdp
10:57.24juddPackage: remmina-plugin-rdp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-3; sid: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-3
10:57.34petn-randallmoritz_: ^^^ do you mean this package?
10:57.54moritz_:) Yes. Wasn't in backports when i needed it.
10:57.54gun1xguys, anyone ?
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10:58.52moritz_Aptitude output: http://paste.debian.net/996830/
11:00.13moritz_In my defense i never had a mixed system break. But i never did it on a machine that needed the proprietary nvidia driver.
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11:01.59petn-randallmoritz_: I'd then remove testing and sid fro sources.list, and then install the backports version of remmina-plugin-rdp, then downgrade any other packages that got accidentally pulled in from testing.
11:02.03petn-randall!downgrade
11:02.03dpkgDowngrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt.  Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades.  Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number.  See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
11:02.21petn-randallmoritz_: If it's only 1-2 packages, chances are good that you can get away with it.
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11:03.15petn-randallmoritz_: You can do that by temporarily pinning stable with priority 1001, and taking a close look at what packages get downgraded.
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11:06.07notabot_Hello all - trying to figure out how I can install openswan on Debian Jessie - any pointers?
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11:07.05moritz_petn-randall: like this? http://paste.debian.net/996832/
11:08.56gpunkhttps://blog.sprinternet.at/2016/03/ipsec-transport-mode-with-strongswan-on-debian-jessie/ notabot_
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11:10.22moritz_Because it does not offer me any up or downgrades .
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11:12.20notabot_gpunk: Thanks - I saw few options for StrongSwan - however, is it possible to install openswan on Debian is what I was specifically looking for.
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11:12.52gpunkyes you can bro
11:13.31petn-randallmoritz_: does 'apt-cache policy' show a 1001 priority?
11:13.52petn-randallmoritz_: You could also try 'apt-cach policy libc6', the stretch package should be 1001.
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11:17.14notabot_gpunk: apt-get doesnt work for openswan, I downloaded the source code for openswan, extracted and run the two install commands (make programs and make install) - it's not getting install - which openvpn doesn't give any output.
11:18.07gpunkmake programs ? openvpn ? what are talking about ?
11:18.19petn-randall!doesnt work
11:18.19dpkg"Doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
11:18.22gpunkjust add contrib to your source list
11:18.25petn-randall,v openswan
11:18.27juddPackage: openswan on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1
11:19.09gpunkbrb
11:19.26moritz_policy does not know a 1001 prio. petn-randall
11:19.43moritz_*display
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11:20.05petn-randallnotabot_: Maybe tell us about the goal you're trying to accomplish, that would allow us to provide better solutions to your problem.
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11:21.28petn-randallmoritz_: Maybe you have other pins that are overriding this?
11:21.55notabot_petn-randall: Mainly research and learning - I was trying to follow this tutorial on debian jessie - https://www.elastichosts.com/blog/linux-l2tpipsec-vpn-client/
11:22.33moritz_No other pins. a=stretch vs n=stretch is unlikely an issue, right?
11:23.34moritz_Does not change the situation.
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11:24.14petn-randallmoritz_: a=stable?
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11:25.18moritz_nope
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11:26.56moritz_No results for testing or unstable when searching: aptitude search '~S ~i ~Aunstable'
11:27.13moritz_Which is weird because of libglvnd0
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11:31.36L3gacyGetting a HP DL360 G7.  Is Debian 9 a good choice for LAMP?
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11:36.08dTaldoes the 'P' stand for PHP or Perl?
11:36.32dTalEither one is a questionable choice in 2017
11:36.56moritz_petn-randall: Thank you very much for your help and patience. While i am still unable to install the driver meta package. I now have by the resolution power aptitude the full GPU support and nvidia driver. And no obvious broken packages or upgrade trouble. So i leave it at this.
11:37.12moritz_@everyone thanks for being around and have a nice day
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11:50.11petn-randallmoritz_: You're welcome! Glad you got it fixed.
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11:50.58petn-randallL3gacy: Really depends on your application. Debian stretch ships with PHP 7, so if you have legacy applications that only run with PHP 5, it might not be the best choice.
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11:51.31gpunkit ships with both
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11:52.48petn-randallgpunk: Can you prove that please?
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11:53.09gpunki have a server , stretch, that runs 5 sites with php5
11:53.24petn-randallgpunk: Sure, but you didn't get php5 from Debian.
11:53.32petn-randall*Debian stretch
11:53.57gpunkno , from debian stretch :)
11:54.08petn-randallgpunk: Which packages?
11:54.20gpunkphp5...
11:54.53petn-randall,v php5
11:54.54juddPackage: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
11:55.03petn-randallgpunk: It's not in stretch. ^^
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11:57.30moritz_gpunk: maybe from https://deb.sury.org/ it is often suggested for getting 5 in stretch
11:58.02gpunkno, it s an upgrade from jessie
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11:58.24moritz_pinned?
11:58.33gpunki guess
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11:59.41gpunkanyway, you can run PHP5 sites with stretch ...
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11:59.46gpunkyou just have ... to fiddle
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12:07.51petn-randallgpunk: Sure, but at this point it's not supported in #debian anymore.
12:08.08gpunki know :)
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12:11.08babilenI'd keep those sites on jessie, upgrade the codebase to run with php7 (you have to anyway) and *then* upgrade to stretch and php7
12:11.34babilenWhy is it *always* PHP? It's almost as if they intentionally make sure that upgrading from one version to the next is a major pain in the arse
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12:30.53ZSkyHi
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12:31.45kde2535Friends, yesterday I asked for help regarding my laptop heating up only in debain even while idle and not at all while using other distributions like fedora and ubuntu. I got suggestion to try cpupower and I throttled cpu to minimum with it but it was still heating up. Today I tried installing proprietary firmware from non-free repository for cpu, gpu and ethernet (just in case!), and after few hours of usage and observation (lm-sensors), it seems to have
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12:32.06ZSkyWhen someone sends mail to "hello@198.51.100.0", let's say 198.51.100.0 is my IP
12:32.17ZSkywhat happens? who collects the email?
12:32.24ZSkyby default on a debian
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12:32.45gpunkexim I think
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12:33.07gpunkbut will reject it
12:33.13gpunkno hello user
12:33.23ZSkynot postfix?
12:33.35gpunkit is not installed by default
12:33.38gpunkit s exim
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12:33.58gpunkunless they changed in stretch
12:33.59jellyZSky: that's an invalid email address
12:34.23ZSkyhow to redirect all *@ip  to myaddress@gmail.com ?
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12:35.17jimkde2535, which part is undesirable?
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12:35.56ZSkygpunk: i tried to send a mail to root@<myip> from gmail
12:35.59kde2535the proprietary blob part ;)
12:36.10ZSkygpunk: then i entered "mail" in bash, but I don't see it
12:36.11gpunkand ?
12:36.44ZSkyany idea why?
12:36.49gpunktoto@$IP is not really a valid email address
12:36.51syslqdns directive in interfaces file is simply being ignored (dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4) and /etc/resolv.con is repopulated although I'm trying to remove entries. (I've disabled network manager). Any idea on what is causing this?
12:36.55gpunkgmail didnt send it
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12:38.46ZSkygpunk: is toto@$IP not allowed ?
12:38.53ZSkyby standard mail protocols?
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12:39.02jimoh ok
12:39.02gpunkypu
12:39.13gpunkyes*
12:39.54ZSkyso how to send email from gmail or yahoo or anything else to a server which has just an IP but no domain name e.g. example.com ?
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12:41.25gpunka shell script
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12:41.46gpunkbut smtp has to be configured in the $IP
12:41.58gpunka shell script or manually
12:42.08gpunkby telenetting to port 25 ...
12:42.40jellyZSky: if you want to use an IP literal in the email address, it should be enclosed in [], user@[some.ip.add.ress]
12:42.57RoyKZSky: quite a few web servers will block things not from a known domain, so better get a domain and register a host on it
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12:43.14jellyZSky: that's what rfc5321/5322 say.  In practice, not many sender-side tools will support this.
12:44.07darxmurfWhen you find an old website still alive on an old server and you open the index.html page: <META content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0" name=GENERATOR></HEAD><FRAMESET
12:44.10darxmurfOo
12:44.35gpunkdarxmurf they usually dont even have a password set
12:44.41gpunkthese FP enables sites
12:44.43RoyKdarxmurf: I remember a script made to fix such pages, it was called "demoronizer"
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12:45.01ZSkygpunk: i have domain names, but here it's just for a test, on a sandbox server
12:45.04ZSkywithout any domain
12:45.35RoyKwell, register somebloodytest.your.tld, then
12:45.40RoyKit's just a dns entry
12:46.19gpunkfrom all the questions you'r asking
12:46.29CrtxReavrI have to script the creation of a user. . . I just want to specify the username & UID, which is working fine, but I'm getting prompted for password, real name, phone number, etc. . . how can I just create the user with useradd or adduser, have no password (installing a public ssh key) and not bother with the other crap?
12:46.33gpunki think you dont even have smtp configured
12:46.48ZSkygpunk: it's a default Debian
12:46.51ZSkyisn't it installed by default?
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12:47.11gpunksee if it s running , lsof -i | 25
12:47.22gpunk|grep 25 *
12:47.29ZSkynothing, right
12:47.32ZSkyso no smtp installed
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12:47.39ZSkyi should probab install postfix right?
12:47.46gpunkonly local delivery
12:47.58gpunkI prefer postfix
12:48.02gpunkthats what I use
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12:48.17ZSkywhich one is the most common, as of 2017?
12:48.31gpunkgmail
12:48.35gpunklol
12:48.49nulleiphas the package intel-microcode anything to do with CVE-2017-5706 and CVE-2017-5709 ?
12:48.50gpunkI think postfix
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12:49.43josecapurroZSky: postfix
12:49.54jelly!cve lookup CVE-2017-5706
12:49.55dpkgInformation about the security advisory CVE-2017-5706 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5706
12:49.55ZSkypostfix sendmail qmail exim => the most well known is postfix right?
12:50.14RoyKgpunk: or the modern way, 'ss -tlp sport = :smtp' ;)
12:50.21RoyKqmail?!?!?
12:50.29RoyKthat's long dead
12:50.35jellyZSky: probably, even tho debian defaults to exim4
12:50.39jelly,v qmail
12:50.40juddPackage: qmail on amd64 -- jessie: 1.06-5; wheezy: 1.06-5; buster: 1.06-6+b1; sid: 1.06-6+b1; stretch: 1.06-6+b1
12:50.45jellyRoyK: it'sjust resting
12:50.47bezabana 2015 survery reported out of 1,086,906 servers with banners 53% exim and 30.25% postfix
12:50.57RoyKuses postfix
12:51.10bezabanbut that can just mean postfix admins disable their banners ;)
12:51.15bezabanuses both
12:51.33gpunki was jocking saying Gmail not Qmail
12:51.36josecapurroI disable the banners. And use postfix.
12:51.37jellyyou can't disable the banner, it's part of the protocol...
12:51.52jellyyou can change it a bit.
12:51.59gpunkdisable the veriosn info only
12:52.06gpunklleave the banner
12:52.08josecapurrojelly: Right. I mean, i do not show the name of the daemon there
12:52.24bezabansure, change name of the mta which was relevant for the survey
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12:53.36ZSkyto do a "catch them all"  forward  *@IP or *@domain  to anadress@gmail.com
12:53.45ZSkyshould I install exim or postfix, which one would be easier?
12:54.00gpunkZSky we said postfix
12:54.27jellyZSky: don't do a catchall address, that's not sane.
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12:55.18ZSkyapt-get install postfix i guess?
12:55.26jellyZSky: use postfix' recipient_delimiter and addresses like username-anything@domain
12:55.26gpunkusually
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12:59.57petn-randallZSky: I have the feeling we're backtracking to your actual problem you're trying to solve. Why not tell us about that? Sending mails to IP addresses is a wrong in the first place, same goes for catch-all for mail.
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13:02.10ZSkypetn-randall: @IPvsdomain  at the end I'll use domain instead of IP. It was just for sandboxing
13:02.27jelly!goal
13:02.28dpkgDescribe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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13:02.31ZSkypetn-randall: @catch-all it was just to test, then I'll do a more proper thing
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13:02.51petn-randallZSky: Yes, what is the "more proper thing" you're trying to accomplish?
13:02.55ZSkyOk I explain
13:03.03ZSkyI'm launching a small community site
13:03.37ZSkyand I want people to have an email on it, that redirects to their real email
13:03.45ZSkySee e.g. craigslist
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13:04.04ZSkyyou want to answer to an ad? You send a mail to ad-FDsdf8723@craiglist.org
13:04.13ZSkyand then it redirects to the real email
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13:04.43ZSkyso I have a key=>value database, like    ad-FDsdf8723 => abc@gmail.com
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13:05.00ZSkyand I need to catch  ad-FDsdf8723@mydomain and forward it to abc@gmail.com
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13:05.07ZSkythis is the goal
13:05.16petn-randallZSky: If you have a publicly facing mail server, you 100% DO NOT want to have a catch-all in any form. It will only take days until that is abused for spam relay, and then you'll be on every DNSBL on the planet, and getting off will take you ages.
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13:05.54ZSkypetn-randall: the catchall would only have been a test to see if i'm able to forward anything to an external email service
13:06.02ZSkyit was just a test
13:07.15gpunki'd do a regular mail server for x.domain , the play with aliases
13:07.19gpunkthen*
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13:07.40jellyZSky: you can't just forward mails like that in year 2017; to have any kind of decent deliverability you'll have to rewrite envelope sender, and take care of bounces that come back.  Before that you want to learn what "envelope sender" and "dkim" and "dmarc" and "spf" is.
13:08.07jellyforwards like that have been mostly broken for a few years now.
13:08.08ZSkyI already use SPF, DKIM etc. for my other servers
13:08.19ZSkyso this is ok
13:08.49ZSkygpunk can you explain?
13:08.54gpunksimple aliases will do it
13:08.58ZSkypetn-randall: do you see my goal?
13:09.05jellyfine, but your mails will end up in spam folders or undelivered
13:09.20ZSkyjelly: I'll use SPF, DKIM etc.
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13:10.05gpunkin the alias files you have a list :   from-username  to-username
13:10.23petn-randallZSky: I find that approach a bit cumbersome. Why not have a web form where you can type an answer and have to solve a captcha?
13:10.39gpunkto-username can be an address
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13:11.04petn-randallZSky: Then you don't have to play around with mail relaying, etc.
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13:11.32petn-randallOr rather, you don't have to solve the hard problem of relaying mail in a safe and proper fashion without landing on a DNSBL.
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13:12.56jellyZSky: you can't use SPF unless you own the sender domain.  This means simple aliases / forwards won't work for your use case.
13:13.26petn-randallthis ^
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13:14.24jellyZSky: eg. someone from gmail will send mail to <ad-34701@zsky.example.org>; if you forward that as-is with a simple virtual alias, your server will send out mail with original envelope sender, @gmail.com
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13:15.49jellyZSky: so now there's a mail coming from your server IP, and saying "I come from gmail sender".  Gmail publishes its own SPF and dmarc, where they say "this is not my IP" and your forwarded message is regarded as spam, and your server IP is regarded as source of spam
13:16.20ForceRecondoes anyone have any information on how to send smtp mail with a pty console attachment
13:16.41gpunkyou mean manually ?
13:16.47jellyForceRecon: use mutt or snail
13:16.56ForceReconI was just reading that..
13:17.06ForceReconthanks..
13:17.23jellyecho test | mutt -s "test subject" -a example.zip -- recipient@example.org
13:17.45ForceReconwill it know which smtp server to use to get out?
13:17.50jellyno
13:17.54ZSkyjelly: ok i see what you mean
13:18.06ZSkythen I can outsource the email relaying (e.g. sendgrid or others)
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13:18.47ZSkybut first I need a way to receive emails from ad-34701@zsky.example.org and redirect it to a python script or PHP, that will then call Sendgrid to do the work
13:19.40jellyForceRecon: you will have to configure mutt to use correct, existing sender address (set from=... in muttrc), and use local MTA or configure mutt to use your existing authenticated outgoing smtp server (set smtp_url...)
13:19.54petn-randallZSky: Why is it important the message comes via SMTP? That's not good from a UX perspective, especially when there's a web page where your users are coming from.
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13:20.15ForceReconjelly, you are so the person.. thanks I will read up on it
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13:22.39fastI'm Running an apt mirror on debian wheezy. I also have two machines connecting to the mirror, one running jessie and the other one running stretch. When I execute apt-get update on jessie everything is working as expected. When doing the same on the stretch machine apt-get update fails with "The following signatures were invalid <MYKEYID>". I checked that the key is imported, I also checked the release notes
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13:24.46ZSkypetn-randall: it has to be done via email
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13:25.37bolovanos_why is that "ls -l" does not list ".dir" ? debian 9...
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13:26.06gpunkls -la ?
13:26.23bolovanos_yes it did the trick
13:26.24bolovanos_thank you
13:26.39jellywhy? because it's not supposed to
13:27.00petn-randallZSky: Where does this requirement come from?
13:27.05petn-randall!bat
13:27.05dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:27.22petn-randallfast: Can you provide all of the info above for the affected machine in a single paste? ^^^
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13:32.38jeanjackso i had to apt-get remove and install nfs-common
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13:32.49bolovanos_on debian 9 is git-core obsolete - should I use git instead?
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13:34.10petn-randallbolovanos_: The description of git-core says it all.
13:34.45bolovanos_petn-randall, right https://packages.debian.org/sid/git-core
13:34.47bolovanos_thx
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13:38.32ZSkyNews: I added an MX record to a domain I have
13:38.45ZSkyso I should be able to send to roo@example.com now
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13:39.03ZSkyAfter apt-get install postfix and config, I still have none in lsof -i | grep 25
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13:39.43jeanjackZSky: maybe you just configured for secure-only connection ?
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13:39.55ZSkyI did default config
13:40.01ZSkyand then "postfix start"
13:40.07ZSkybut lsof -i | grep 25 still gives none
13:40.51syslqOn debian disabling NetworkManager deletes the /etc/resolv.conf and file can not be recreated manually, also nameserver directive is ignored in /etc/network/interfaces. Enabling NetworkManager and give it control of interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces works, and also resolv.conf is poulated according to directive in interfaces file. Is this normal behaviour or bug?
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13:41.18tobias__hey guys, which programming language do you recommend to start with, when you want to become a linux sysadmin ?
13:41.31tarzeau_tobias__: bash, perl, c
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13:41.59tarzeau_tobias__: depending on the sysadmin part, you might want to learn build systems, ./configure/make/make install; cmake, scons, bazel etc...
13:42.28tarzeau_tobias__: and packaging systems, dpkg rpm pip spack snap flatpak cpan...
13:43.59tobias__ok thanks, i am going to start with C
13:45.16petn-randalltobias__: Probably also python now that Perl is slowly fading out.
13:45.57CrtxReavrI have to script the creation of a user. . . I just want to specify the username & UID, which is working fine, but I'm getting prompted for password, real name, phone number, etc. . . how can I just create the user with useradd or adduser, have no password (installing a public ssh key) and not bother with the other crap?
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13:46.39petn-randall!tell ZSky -about crosspost
13:47.18petn-randall!tell ZSky -about crosspost
13:47.24tobias__petn-randall look at /etc/defaults
13:47.31ZSkypetn-randall: i went there because it's more postfix specific and didn't want to annoy about it here
13:47.33tarzeau_CrtxReavr: useradd instead of adduser
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13:48.06petn-randalltobias1: ... and do what there?
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13:57.22m1m1rDoes anyone give me a hint, how to debug dpkg-buildpackage, where I get different errors of dpkg-shlibdeps each time I'm runing it?
13:57.38m1m1rSorry, I ment "Can anyone"
13:57.39CrtxReavrtarzeau_, thanks - this seems to do the trick: useradd -u 1999 -m -s /bin/bash sotfback
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14:02.14petn-randallm1m1r: You could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, where they help out people with packaging efforts.
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14:03.09m1m1rpetn-randall: thx hadn't heard of them
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14:17.59darxmurfhow can I my downloaded firefox binary in alternatives ?
14:18.16darxmurfI tried: update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox 0
14:18.22darxmurfbut it's not listed then
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14:22.39tarzeau_darxmurf: try update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser x-www-browser  /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox 0 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/x-www-browser.1.gz x-www-browser.1.gz /usr/local/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz
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14:24.03RedSoxFan07Is there a *nix equivalent to the pathping command on Windows?
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14:32.35petn-randallRedSoxFan07: I think it would help to explain what pathping does.
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14:37.03twmtr is probably close.
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14:40.24RedSoxFan07tw: Thanks.
14:41.00jhutchinsRedSoxFan07: pathping might also be available.
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15:05.48introom=apt show iptables= shows it's manually installed.
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15:06.09introombut grepping /var/log/apt/history.log doesn't show up any iptables entry.
15:06.11introomhow come ?
15:06.51jelly,i iptables
15:06.52juddPackage iptables (net, important) in stretch/amd64: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. Version: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; Size: 280.8k; Installed: 1528k; Homepage: http://www.netfilter.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/iptables
15:07.29jellyintroom: if you installed standard task, you got packages with Priority: important, and iptables is one of those
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15:08.29jellythings debian-installer installed appear as manually installed (though maybe not all of them)
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15:16.04introomjelly: looks like the tasksel tool remains on disk even after installation.
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15:18.25introomand also doing: 'tasksel --task-packages standard' on my computer gives nothing.
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15:22.42introomok. it remains because the 'standard' includes tasksel itself.  the detailed packages can be shown from aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p
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15:25.12petn-randallI've been noticing long delays/hangs in the UI of firefox-esr with the last update. It doesn't respond to clicks on the web page, or doesn't respond to tab switches, after ~10 seconds it's back to normal. I noticed that on two separate stretch machines. Does anyone else experience this?
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15:26.05RedSoxFan07petn-randall: Yeah!
15:26.23RedSoxFan07petn-randall: On Debian Buster, but not OS X. Buttery smooth on OS X.
15:27.10RedSoxFan07petn-randall: Debian Buster on my PC is still somehow running Firefox 52.7 or something like that. And yet I was able to upgrade it on my Mac to version 57.
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15:30.34twumatrix isn't available for ESR anymore, so I've stopped installing it. On a clean install of ff-esr52.5.0, I don't see what you're seeing... at least not immediately.
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15:32.13petn-randallRedSoxFan07: Well, ESR is simply 52, so if you have that installed, you won't get 57.
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15:32.40twabd5932: it's probably a custom version designed for the exploit.
15:33.01petn-randallabd5932: Are you asking if malware exists on Linux? Sure. Is it shipped with Debian? No.
15:35.23abd5932thanks!
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15:39.17fastIf any one cares got the mirror issue fixed. Problem was that sha1 was SHA1 was still enabled as digest algo in the key. SHA-1 was dropped in the apt release in stretch. Solution was to disable sha1 in the gpg.conf and resign the repoistory.
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15:41.39petn-randallfast: Your mirror re-signs the packages?
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15:43.41babilenaptly (annoyingly) does that still
15:44.24fastnot sure what you mean by re-signs its not a debian mirror its a mirror with our own packages.
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15:52.43petn-randallfast: Oh, then I wouldn't call it "mirro", but simply "repo(sitory)".
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16:03.22dokmaSwapping annoys the heck out of me. I just did syytemctl stop dphys-swapfile.service and now everything is snappy even after a long wait.
16:03.56dokmaWhen my swap is on debian prolly swaps out stuff that is not doing anything, like my system menu or application finder.
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16:04.13dokmaBut then when I need them something needs to be unswapped to start them.
16:04.25dokmaAnd it's making stuff annoyingly laggy.
16:05.14dokmaIs there any middle ground?
16:05.26dokmaMy swappines is set to 60.
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16:05.32msposet it to 0
16:05.42mspoor 1
16:05.46dokmamspo: is that the same as disabling swap?
16:05.52mspodokma: no
16:06.08dokmano for both or only for 1 ?
16:06.10mspodokma: swap's traditional role as overflow memory should still function
16:06.14mspowith 0 or 1
16:06.17dokmaI see
16:06.22msposwappiness is the paging out bit
16:06.22dokmaI'll try 1 first
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16:06.40mspooh oops
16:06.46msponewer kernels use 1
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16:06.59dokmadidn't know that
16:07.03mspo0 *does* disable swap in 3.X+
16:07.41dokmaI'm on 4.9.30
16:07.48mspoyeah try 1
16:07.54dokmaI'll try 1 and see how it goes
16:08.31dokmaecho 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
16:08.37dokmasudo sysctl vm.swappiness=1
16:08.41dokmaI guess that is enough
16:08.53mspoone of them should have been fine I think :)
16:09.02dokmajust for good measure
16:09.34dokmaTX
16:09.40dokmaWe'll see how it acts now
16:09.58dokmaALT+F2 and Whisker menu are instant now...
16:10.12dokmaBut I tried them a few minutes ago so we'll see when I come back home...
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16:13.39mspoit takes a few minutes for everything to re-settle
16:13.49mspodid you re-enable the swapfile service?  (whatever that does)
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16:24.47bolovanosargh
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16:29.21bolovanoswhat on earth could change? Last thing I have installed was git, than shutdown -> after restart - I cannot sudo su - "Authentication failure" through putty
16:29.34bolovanosI can do it machine console
16:30.06bolovanosI have forbidden root login, but sudo su was working - even over ssh
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16:31.06bolovanoswhat can I do to reenable sudo su over ssh, what happend that it stopped working?
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16:36.15bolovanosok got it
16:36.24inSyncbolovanos: sudo -s or sudo -i
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16:37.01bolovanosit is problem with session logged through ssh key
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16:37.20bolovanosthere I cannot use sudo su - is this std behaviour?
16:37.44bolovanosmust qout that I do not use password for that key...
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16:41.20bolovanosinSync, running it as a target user (-i) does not work either (dno if it is caused by the fact that I have disabled root login...)
16:41.36bolovanosinSync, what is -s - I have found -S in help only
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16:42.56bolovanosok - sudo -i also works only on session logged through password
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16:43.50inSyncRun the shell specified by the SHELL environment variable if it is set or the shell specified by the invoking user's password database entry.  If a command is specified, it is passed to the shell for execution via the shell's -c option.  If no command is specified, an interactive shell is executed.
16:44.12inSyncfrom sudo manual page
16:44.22inSyncsudo -s
16:45.11bolovanosright - was looking on --help only, which is a bit sparse for this switch
16:45.48bolovanosbut same song with -s
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17:22.29ertes-wis there a way to restore one particular file from a package?
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17:23.45ertes-wfrom an installed package that is
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17:24.07jellyertes-w: no.  is it a conffile?  Which path, which package?
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17:26.57PlainDaveI've successfully installed Debian 9.2.1, but I can't get connected to my wifi signal. I've entered all of the SSID, BSSID, etc., but to no avail.
17:27.24inSyncPlainDave: you could have a missing firmware
17:27.54jellyertes-w: if it's a normal file you can just reinstall the same version over.  If it's a conffile there are other options (read: /msg dpkg confnew, /msg dpkg confmiss)
17:28.13jellyPlainDave: which wireless card are you using
17:28.17jelly!whats my wireless
17:28.18dpkgInstall the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>.  See also <wireless>.
17:28.42PlainDave!whats my wireless
17:28.42dpkgInstall the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>.  See also <wireless>.
17:28.56ertes-wjelly: ok, thanks…  it's already solved, and sorry for not being responsive (time pressure)
17:29.20jellyk, no problem
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17:29.42PlainDaveinSync, How do I go about getting firmware? Could it be firmware for my wifi card?
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17:30.49PlainDave!whats my hardware
17:30.49dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!  If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation.  See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
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17:31.45inSyncPlainDave: firsi things first
17:31.54inSyncwhat's your wireless?
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17:32.26jellyPlainDave: do you see your wireless card in "lspci -nn" output?  Can you show the exact line contents (especially the [xxxx:xxxx] part)
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17:32.36PlainDaveinSync, I'll try to find out. I'm just using the one that came with my laptop (Dell Inspiron 15).
17:32.53PlainDaveokay
17:33.07jellywe need that to tell you which firmware it might need
17:33.44jellyif it's not in "lspci -nn" it might be in "lsusb"
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17:35.39PlainDavejelly, Is it this ethernet info? Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 07)
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17:36.37jhutchins_wk,pciid 10ec:8136
17:36.38judd[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136
17:37.07jhutchins_wk!r8169
17:37.08dpkgr8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips.  See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>.  Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
17:37.13jellyPlainDave: that looks more like wired ethernet card.
17:37.24PlainDaveokay
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17:38.19jhutchins_wkPlainDave: One way to figure out what firmware you might need is to dmesg | less and search for "firmware".  If it's missing, there should be an error message when it tries to load.
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17:38.32jellyor just pastebin complete outputs of both commands
17:38.32jelly!paste
17:38.33dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:38.49PlainDavejhutchins_wk, Okay thanks.
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17:58.41heverHello. I'm trying to access only a specific subnet via a VPN, what already works for me via openvpn. But if I try to open a ssh connection to that network I just can't. If I let all traffic go through the VPN I'm able to connect via SSH. I checked the IP multiple times and it's an IP of the subnet in the VPN so I don't understand why I can't connect via VPN. Any ideas?
17:58.59heverThere are no protocol specific settings or?
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18:00.41peterShever: openvpn normally uses a tunnel network device which you can then use in your routing table.  whether this ends up happening automatically or not depends on your openvpn setup.  But you can create specific routes to specific subnets any time.
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18:03.00peterShever: so, it sounds to me like you have a routing issue - if the target subnet is, say, 10.6.3.0/24, and your openvpn endpoint is 10.99.1.2 and the remote end is 10.99.1.1, you might try adding a route like so:  sudo ip route add 10.6.3.0/24 via 10.99.1.1
18:03.38peterS(run just 'ip route' to see your current routing table - see if there exists an entry in there for the target subnet.)
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18:06.28heverpeterS, rounte -n and ip route show both that the correct subnet should be routed via tun0
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18:08.33heverpeterS, ah ok, it seems to be a openvpn configure issue...
18:10.07heverpeterS, I'm using two lines in my openvpn config "route-nopull" and "route IP.IP.IP.IP" < here I specified a network IP that didn't work... if I specify just one IP it wokrs...
18:10.16peterShever: ok sounds like you covered that base.  btw you can also use 'ip route get a.b.c.d' to see the _effect_ of the whole routing table, on a specific target IP
18:10.20heverany tips how to route a whole network thorugh vpn?
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18:11.58peterShever: according to 'man openvpn' the syntax is not 'route a.b.c.d/n' as you would expect, but 'route a.b.c.d 255.255.x.y'
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18:20.37heverpeterS, it seems route- commands are somehow not allowed in the context I'm using it...
18:21.51peterShever: I don't know much about that ... the context I use openvpn, we push routes directly down from the server and I don't configure any routing on the client side
18:22.39heverpeterS, thanks anyway! I'm very close now!
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18:23.02peterSGood luck!
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18:23.37RoyKhever: the new way is ip route blabla
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18:24.03RoyKhever: more concise syntax
18:24.07peterSRoyK: in openvpn configuration?  really?
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18:24.51RoyKpeterS: ip route modifies the same routing  table, but it's got a better syntax
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18:25.12peterSRoyK: yes but we're not talking about the command line, we're talking about openvpn configuration files
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18:26.07heverit seems route-nopull is not for the client config but just server
18:26.14RoyKpeterS: it's always good to start with the commandline to see if you can fix things temporary that way and then rewrite the config files accordingly when things work, try a reboot and then
18:27.10peterSRoyK: if you scroll up a bit you might notice we already went through some 'ip route' command line stuff
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18:28.59heverthe route stuff seems to work but it seems again all my traffic is now routet through the VPN
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18:38.13glassres1storso i just got a low disk space on boot partition warning
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18:40.49glassres1storall of the files have 4.9.0-0.bpo.2/3/4 on them except one that has 3.16.0-4
18:40.55glassres1storwhat is safe to remove and how?
18:41.07greycatdon't remove files.  remove unused kernel images.
18:41.20greycatstart with dpkg -l | grep linux-image
18:41.36peterSwell or just dpkg -l linux-image-\*
18:41.47peterSand to see what kernel you're actually running now, 'uname -r'
18:41.49greycatthat truncates the results
18:41.57greycatyou need dpkg's output to NOT be a tty
18:42.17peterSah yes, I've grown used to wide terminals, I don't think about that so much anymore
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18:43.28a228how do i disable xorg for running xorg -configure?
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18:44.46towo`a228, disable the autostart of your display manager
18:44.47glassres1storgreycat: im running 4.9.0.bpo.3 now and i think when i restart it will be running 4.9.0.bpo.4
18:45.17greycatif you are never going to boot that 3.16.* kernel you could remove it
18:45.24greycator any other images you are never going to use
18:45.24glassres1storgreycat: thanks
18:45.46a228i need to disable it only for one time towo
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18:46.17greycata228: Ctrl-Alt-F2, login, systemctl stop gdm3 (or whatever *dm you use)
18:46.29a228i'm not sure
18:46.32a228i'm using cinnamon
18:46.38a228is it under gdm?
18:46.42greycatgdm3 and lightdm are good starting guesses
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18:46.55glassres1storgreycat: so i purged it and got this error rmdir: failed to remove ‘/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64’: Directory not empty
18:47.04greycatthat's OK
18:47.19greycatyou've got some extra files lingering there but it won't hurt anything
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18:48.35glassres1storgreycat: but my boot directory is still the same size
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18:49.19glassres1storgreycat: the olddmks files are still there, ok so actually its 81% and not 98% but still
18:49.25greycatIf your kernel image package was intact, you should have had a /boot/linux-image-3.16.* file before, and that should be removed now.  So it should have shrunk.
18:49.49greycaterr, actually it's /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.* but whatever
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18:50.10greycatIf you had previously removed some of the files in /boot BY HAND then all bets are off.
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18:50.26glassres1storgreycat: yeah thats gone but why is the old dkms stuff there
18:50.47jelly-homeglassres1stor: what kind of dkms stuff do you have under /boot ??
18:50.53greycatbecause they belong to a different package, or you built them outside of package management
18:51.12greycatalso what jelly-home said
18:51.15jelly-homeoh, under /lib/modules
18:51.38glassres1storjelly-home: greycat https://gist.github.com/glassresistor/b14b3707cb8b0b21ec04219ac7e94916
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18:52.26jelly-homenever seen anything like that
18:52.29greycatIs that a file you created yourself, with cp?
18:52.42greycatOr is this a Debian derivative?
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18:53.54jelly-homeglassres1stor: were you using any non-deb-packaged dkms modules, like hyperv or vbox extensions or nvidia driver from their installer?
18:54.58jelly-homestuff packaged by debian usually does not leave initrd copies named like that
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18:55.10zuiss1i was not able to get the PIA client vpn running on a clean install of debian 9 even though it installs successfuly, but everyone is reporting that it works on debian 9 systems upgraded from debian 8 rather than clean install. i confirmed this is true. anyone know how that could be possible?
18:55.38jelly-homeglassres1stor: in any case, I think it's pretty safe to wipe any initrd for a removed vmlinuz
18:55.56greycatagreed
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19:06.55bolovanosI would like to configure system to power of on power button being pressed
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19:07.10bolovanosis this good approach ? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97565/configure-power-button-to-shutdown-on-debian
19:07.31greycaterr, isn't that already the default?
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19:20.28Paul--hello
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19:36.28Paul--hello
19:37.18Paul--what about rwhois comman ? is it relative to whois ?
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19:44.59jelly-homePaul--: which package does this rwhois come in?
19:45.13jelly-homejudd: file bin/rwhois
19:45.18juddSearch for bin/rwhois in stretch/amd64: socks4-clients: usr/bin/rwhois
19:45.32jelly-homeno idea what THAT is
19:46.10jelly-home,i socks4-clients
19:46.11juddPackage socks4-clients (net, extra) in stretch/amd64: Socks4 enabled clients as rtelnet and rftp. Version: 4.3.beta2-20+b1; Size: 83.3k; Installed: 287k
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19:46.43jelly-homePaul--: are you talking about that one or something else?
19:48.01Paul--rwhois
19:48.17jelly-homePaul--: WHICH rwhois?  Where did you find it?
19:48.26Paul--so it's different by whois
19:48.36greycatit's a seeecret
19:48.39teraflopsxD
19:49.08jelly-homecasts Magic Missile upon the language barrier
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19:49.24jelly-homeit is not very effective.
19:49.44teraflopsit's like rsh host -l user whois? :D
19:50.15jelly-homePaul--: where did you see this command mentioned?
19:50.29Paul--boh
19:50.40Paul--apropos
19:50.41jelly-homeboh?
19:51.14jelly-homePaul--: what is your native language?
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19:52.25jelly-homemost amusingly, I'm using /usr/bin/whois to guess it based on Paul--'s IP address.
19:52.39jelly-home!it
19:52.39dpkgCiao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano.  Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:53.01teraflopsreferral whois?
19:53.35greycathttps://manpages.debian.org/stretch/socks4-clients/rwhois.1.en.html
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19:55.49Paul--rwhois is similar to rfinger ? to know users logged-in in a system ?
19:56.05Paul--fingerd was a old service on old linux versions
19:56.24Paul--so whois ad rwhois are completly different
19:56.48jelly-homeJFTR, I've given up, try asking in the italian channel if noone else comments
19:56.50greycatIf you can't read the man page due to a language barrier, I doubt anything I can say will make a difference.
19:56.52Paul--shit , I thinked to discover a new command
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19:58.02Paul--greycat,  to to hello , thx
19:58.11Paul--go
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20:19.24Paul--hello
20:19.42Paul--so rwhois command and rwhois protocol are different ?
20:19.53greycathttps://manpages.debian.org/stretch/socks4-clients/rwhois.1.en.html
20:20.02Paul--rwhois isn't the clint for rwhois protocol ?
20:20.15Paul--greycat,  I  know the man pages
20:20.25jelly-homePaul--: why do you ask?
20:20.46greycatIt's just whois-over-SOCKS4.  From 1996.
20:20.59Paul--https://www.arin.net/resources/request/reassignments_rwhois.html
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20:22.48Paul--hello folk
20:23.14Paul--stop to paste man pages , and answer to my question
20:23.22greycat*plonk*
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20:23.47bolovanosI have problem with vim scheme. I have syntax on and colorscheme dracula in .vimrc
20:23.52bolovanosscheme downloaded from https://github.com/rafi/awesome-vim-colorschemes
20:23.53Paul--rwhois command and rwhois protocol are two different things
20:24.10greycat#vim may be better suited for this
20:24.14bolovanossaved in ~/.vim/colors/
20:24.26bolovanosbut scheme is not applied (text is white...)
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20:33.38jhutchinsbolovanos: What are the ownership/permissions for that file?
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20:34.02jhutchinsbolovanos: Where is the file located?  Did you use the full path?
20:34.14vizzyi wonder what happened to mosix, does he debian kernel support mosix by default now?
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20:38.21bolovanosjhutchins, ownerhip is sam as logged user, permissions -rw-r--r--, file is located /home/user/.vim/colors/dracula - no I am using scheme name only - as suggested for example here https://www.mkyong.com/linux/how-to-install-a-vim-color-scheme/
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20:43.02blerrpi'm on stretch, but i would like newer packages that even stretch-backports doesn't have. i see a newer pkg i'm interested in on buster.
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20:43.53blerrpin a production env, do you think it's better to add buster to sources.list and install a couple of packages from that, or am i better off just installing software manually
20:43.57blerrpfrom source or whatever
20:43.58greycatyou can try to backport it yourself, if stretch-backports doesn't have it yet
20:44.04greycat!ssb
20:44.05dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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20:46.13GNU\colossusblerrp, don't mix releases. use backports, or create a backported package yourself.
20:47.11blerrpok. i guess i'll try backporting it. never done that before
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20:47.57blerrp!deb-src sid
20:47.58dpkgYou can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>.  A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free".  Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
20:48.35blerrp!bdo
20:48.35dpkgbackports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers.  Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/.  See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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20:50.54blerrpinteresting
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20:51.52blerrpok so what's happening here? it's installing from source based on the sid package?
20:52.15blerrpso i'm not manually fetching source from a project's website or something right
20:52.43blerrp!uupdate
20:52.44dpkguupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz  Ask me about <package recompile>.
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20:55.09greycatblerrp: "apt-get source" pulls down the original .tar.gz file from upstream and Debian's patches to that source
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20:57.22blerrpso why's it bad to mix releases and get a package from buster vs sid? are the ones ported to buster possibly specifically tailored to buster in some way likely to break stuff?
20:57.36blerrp(assuming you're on stretch)
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21:01.51blerrp!bdo mirrors
21:01.52dpkgMirrors of the <debian-backports> archive are listed at http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ .  Note that from <wheezy-backports> onwards, the backports archive is on the regular mirror network.
21:02.12blerrp^ hmm, that mirrors link is broken
21:02.24blerrpattn bot maintainer
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21:51.42jhutchinsblerrp: Pre-wheezy isn't really supported any more.
21:52.46greycats/really //
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21:53.57jhutchinsblerrp: Certainly wouldn't be any updates.
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21:59.03jhutchinsStill, factoid should probably be updated.
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22:04.03astronavtjhutchins i bricked the macbook :(
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22:04.29astronavtnever copy raw hex off a blog and put it in grub
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22:05.23petemcwhat model of macbook ?
22:05.33sillysluxoh did you manage...
22:06.18greycathttps://www.xkcd.com/1912/
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22:13.34twI've gotta be honest, I've done that copy-paste thing more than once with .dts[i] files.
22:13.48twit's about the same level of crazy.
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22:15.30astronavtsillyslux i killed her. she ded
22:15.40astronavtpower button doesnt work
22:15.44astronavtno life
22:15.55sillysluxit took me 3 years to press the forbidden button on my smartphone (custom rom installation prepared, but only half way)
22:16.07astronavtpetemc 8,2
22:16.08astronavt2011
22:16.18astronavtwas trying to disable the radeon gfx card
22:16.26sillyslux$50 loss
22:16.28astronavtso i could, ynkow, have a desktop instead of a console
22:16.30astronavtnot really
22:16.31sillysluxnothing compared to you
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22:16.48astronavtthis thing has a $750 tb hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, and a 2.3 ghz quad core
22:16.52astronavtit was top end in its day
22:16.58astronavtgorgeous 15" screen, dvd/cd drive
22:17.03astronavtwould have been a great home media machine
22:17.14astronavt$
22:17.15astronavtlol
22:17.18astronavtgb
22:17.21astronavtwtf is wrong with me
22:17.24astronavt750gb
22:17.43sillysluxmaybe it's still flashable, send it in
22:19.00astronavtah true
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22:19.22astronavtprobably like a $200 repair. apple is annoying though they gut the insides
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22:19.30astronavtill have to find a third party who wont do that
22:19.41astronavtwould like the stuff on the HD
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22:20.44astronavtgreycat.... i am that guy
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22:30.12reds_Hello! So I'm trying to install icecat in debian but the file "start-icecat.sh" will not work. It will give me this error is I try to use it (I applied chmod 755 before hand) "run-icecat.sh: Cannot execute ." What do I do?
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22:32.54annadanereds_, well, firstly, how are you installing it, because icecat is not in debian
22:33.08do0mchmod +x
22:33.16annadaneand, right, chmod +x
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22:34.47annadanechmod +x start-icecat.sh
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22:36.35reds_the first thing I tried was chmod +x, I just tried other things to get it to maybe work. What I did was grab the tar.gz from the fsf website for icecat from another computer, I put it in this one, decompressed it in the opt folder, and made a .desktop file (well reposed the one I made on another computer) for the record both the desktop file and the start-icecat.sh are not working
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22:37.39n4dirdid you try "./icecat.sh " ?
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22:38.26SuperTramp83reds_: I believe there's an executable named 'icecat' in the folder somewhere, have you tried launching it?
22:38.26do0mare u getting the error when doing what n4dir said from that /opt/watever folder or when running the .desktop ?
22:38.56reds_I got that error from running it in term, using the .desktop gives me another error
22:39.17reds_This is really weird because my other machine with debian doesn't have this problem
22:39.32do0mthe error really ends in "execute ." ? nothing else ?
22:39.39reds_Yes
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22:40.04reds_./icecat gives me this bash: ./icecat: Permission denied
22:40.05do0mls -lrath the folder, what are the permissions ?
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23:13.21infornographyHas anyone dealt with PLANK and transparency not working? I'm running 9.2 with LXDE
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