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| 00:29.34 | _x86 | Hi, I'm looking for some assistance with my WiFi. Since a dist upgrade a few days ago, the wifi is intermittently disconnecting and reconnecting. It appears that the wireless is 'flip flopping' between access points. How can I troubleshoot? |
| 00:30.25 | _x86 | uname -a returns .13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1 (2017-11-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux if that's a starting point |
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| 01:25.09 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 01:25.34 | RoyK | EHLO |
| 01:25.46 | jak2000 | RoyK hi friend are you there? |
| 01:25.55 | jak2000 | escuse me talk directly to you |
| 01:26.02 | jak2000 | but you know + / - my problem |
| 01:26.07 | RoyK | preferably not on pm |
| 01:26.10 | RoyK | but go on |
| 01:26.20 | jak2000 | not pm, here |
| 01:26.22 | jak2000 | ok i installed a new linux box.... |
| 01:26.25 | jak2000 | and mariadb |
| 01:26.28 | jak2000 | all clean |
| 01:26.42 | RoyK | !ask |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:26.54 | jak2000 | i have of my server damaged, the file with /var/lib/mysql) compresed with tar... |
| 01:27.03 | jak2000 | i have this fiel on new server |
| 01:27.06 | jak2000 | where uncompress? |
| 01:27.11 | jak2000 | ina temp folder? |
| 01:27.33 | jak2000 | in a temp folder? |
| 01:28.00 | jak2000 | uncomresed on: /home/jak/ftp/mysql |
| 01:28.02 | RoyK | well, uncompress the tar archive into the mysql root and do a database repair. next time, make a db dump instead |
| 01:28.20 | jak2000 | i have a old dbdump |
| 01:28.22 | jak2000 | 15 days... |
| 01:28.26 | RoyK | I'll be going to bed in 40s |
| 01:28.46 | jak2000 | with root: cp /home/jak/ftp/mysql /var/lib/mysql ? |
| 01:29.14 | RoyK | without backing up the old db? |
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| 01:30.00 | jak2000 | id do: cd /var/lib/mysql |
| 01:30.06 | jak2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.11 | jak2000 | cp * /mysql/ -R |
| 01:30.24 | jak2000 | now do this command: cp /home/jak/ftp/mysql /var/lib/mysql ? |
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| 01:30.48 | RoyK | that'll copy the mysql dir into /var/lib/mysql/mysql |
| 01:31.24 | RoyK | anyway - need sleep now |
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| 01:31.45 | jak2000 | RoyK nooooooooooooo |
| 01:31.46 | jak2000 | ok |
| 01:31.47 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 01:32.21 | jak2000 | not start mysql service :( |
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| 01:40.58 | puchu | hi |
| 01:42.31 | puchu | i removed a disk from my debian install and now i get "Timed out waiting for device dev-disk" - can i disable such checks that lock the pc for 90 seconds? |
| 01:42.52 | puchu | i don't want debian to do anything about this errors |
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| 01:44.50 | mutante | puchu: i think that would be somewhere in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 01:45.18 | puchu | mutante are you shure? udev is creating the device nodes i think this is handled somewhere else |
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| 01:45.59 | t0no6a | puchu : the disk appears on fstab? |
| 01:46.32 | puchu | t0no6a: yes there i a disk in fstab. can i disable this check somewhere? |
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| 01:47.21 | t0no6a | puchu : pastebinit <(cat /etc/fstab) please |
| 01:47.44 | puchu | t0no6a: i know what the problem is. can i somehow remove this child üprotection |
| 01:48.26 | puchu | ? - i know how to fix this but i will have while testing sometimes this "state" in my system and i don't wanna waste 90 seconds of my life waiting to reach the timeout |
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| 01:48.59 | puchu | this feels like some mircosoft devs where consultion debian ;) |
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| 01:49.26 | t0no6a | puchu : if you know what the propblem is, fix it, Idon't see the problem |
| 01:49.53 | puchu | t0no6a: i know what the problem is. can i somehow remove this child üprotection i want to get rid of this check it should mount on best efford what is listed in fstab |
| 01:50.08 | puchu | i want to get rid of this check it should mount on best efford what is listed in fstab |
| 01:50.29 | puchu | no break when a partition is missing |
| 01:50.37 | puchu | or disk |
| 01:50.59 | puchu | is this possible? |
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| 01:53.56 | mutante | puchu: you mean waiting during boot. right. "The mountall(8) program that mounts filesystem during boot also recogâ nises additional options that the ordinary mount(8) tool does not. " |
| 01:54.10 | mutante | nobootwait and nofail |
| 01:54.37 | mutante | but there is also stuff about "no longer valid in newer versions" or so, so not sure |
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| 01:55.39 | puchu | okay thanks |
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| 01:55.46 | mutante | try "nobootwait" in fstab? |
| 01:56.03 | puchu | gentoo isn't actiong this weired it just mounts on best efford in my opinion the much cleaner solution |
| 01:56.20 | puchu | mutante: i will try it |
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| 01:57.46 | mutante | puchu: it seems like "nobootwait" has been dropped at some point but "nofail" is there in that case |
| 01:58.07 | mutante | because then .. systemd does it |
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| 02:00.09 | ryan__ | yo yo yoey |
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| 02:00.20 | thither | Someone kick ryan__ |
| 02:00.28 | ryan__ | i just installed debian 9 |
| 02:00.30 | ryan__ | stretch |
| 02:00.48 | thither | is kidding |
| 02:01.07 | ryan__ | how do i configure the amd gpu drivers that come preinstalled with stretch to include a second monitor |
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| 02:05.35 | puchu | mutante thanks |
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| 02:26.05 | ngc0202_ | hi, is there some sort of log where the desktop environment saves errors? |
| 02:26.29 | ngc0202_ | thank god for these gui-less shells |
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| 02:32.32 | ngc0202_ | I tried switching my window manager using dconf-editor and now I can't log in |
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| 02:52.04 | dubwoc | ngc0202: drop into a console shell (Ctrl-alt-f2), run echo "exec gnome-terminal" > ~/.xinitrc, run startx, when X comes up with a terminal run dconf-editor, and edit that madness back |
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| 03:02.07 | rosa | what would i need to do to make systemd-nspawn think that cgroups hierarchy is not used |
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| 03:02.41 | dubwoc | what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 03:03.12 | rosa | Exactly that |
| 03:03.17 | dubwoc | why |
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| 03:04.03 | rosa | because otherwise i get Failed to determine whether the unified cgroups hierarchy is used: No medium found |
| 03:04.56 | dubwoc | did you try googling exactly that error? lxc.init_cmd = /sbin/init verbose systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=false |
| 03:05.06 | dubwoc | https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/1669 |
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| 03:06.00 | rosa | Ok |
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| 03:08.46 | rosa | I get lxc.init_cmd command not found |
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| 03:12.25 | rosa | Is the * = * posix shell syntax? Like var = i |
| 03:12.49 | rosa | or is lxc.init_cmd meant to be an existing command |
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| 03:15.02 | rosa | Like for a bash shell would it be lxc.init_cmd="/sbin/init verbose systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=false" |
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| 03:17.10 | rosa | Fk variables cannot contain dots |
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| 03:18.22 | rosa | I get "excess arguments" if i just do /sbin/init verbose systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=false" |
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| 04:12.39 | kairoz | as part of apt-get dist-upgrade, I'm trying to install python3.5, but python3.4 is installed and conflicting. Should I apt-get install -f? Or is there a "yum shell"-equivalent so that I can satisfy packages which depend on python3 by installing python3.5 and removing python3.4 in the same operation? |
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| 04:18.32 | rosa | Z |
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| 04:20.00 | rosa | Anyone know about systemd-nspawn ? |
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| 04:22.02 | Sveta | #systemd maybe, rosa? if you ask ##linux and #debian, maybe ask the right channel straight away |
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| 04:24.00 | sulit | ls |
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| 04:26.00 | bazhang | wrong term sulit |
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| 04:40.15 | rosa | #systemd is dead asf |
| 04:40.36 | rosa | 5 hours still no response |
| 04:40.42 | rosa | at all |
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| 04:58.03 | Sveta | rosa idle and watch to find out what time zones they are active in |
| 04:58.22 | Sveta | rosa you may wish to ask at these time zones or at their mailing list |
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| 04:59.24 | rosa | Ok |
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| 05:15.21 | kairoz | now that I've messed everything up -- how do I tell apt-get to "fk it, try to install python3.5 from scratch"? |
| 05:16.21 | philipclyde | kairoz try "apt-get clean |
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| 05:19.08 | kairoz | philipclyde: ok. I'll let you know how that went in 7 minutes |
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| 05:26.09 | kairoz | how do I tell dpkg that a package which it thinks has been installed is not actually there because I got angry and ran "locate python3.5 | xargs rm -rf"? |
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| 05:35.07 | kairoz | I manually downloaded and "dpkg -i" installed the mistakenly missing packages, unset PYTHONPATH and PYTHONHOME, and it seems to have worked!! |
| 05:35.38 | philipclyde | good you figured it out. |
| 05:36.04 | Rusty1_ | </applause> |
| 05:36.24 | philipclyde | anyone know a good chat for OSCP? |
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| 05:40.12 | philipclyde | OSCP anyone?????? |
| 05:40.31 | Sveta | philipclyde: yes at ##security |
| 05:40.43 | philipclyde | thanks |
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| 05:41.18 | Sveta | philipclyde: you're welcome :) |
| 05:42.32 | philipclyde | sveta need an invite, how do I go about that |
| 05:42.44 | Sveta | philipclyde: don't join #security. |
| 05:42.49 | Sveta | philipclyde: join ##security instead. |
| 05:43.02 | philipclyde | rgr |
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| 07:10.03 | __marco | Good morning. What packages does the "standard system utilities" tasksel's task include? |
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| 07:10.42 | __marco | The wiki says: ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant, but what are they and how can I see the exact list? |
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| 07:16.17 | masoudd | Hi. I want to build a newer version of a package myself. How can I find the script that builds official deb file for this package |
| 07:16.33 | masoudd | Not sure if I'm making sense |
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| 07:22.15 | __marco | masoudd: every deb packages has a sibling deb-src package that contains all the scripts used to package that specific software. If you have the 'deb-src' entries along the 'deb' you can easily download the sources, modify the build options and recompile the package |
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| 07:22.41 | masoudd | __marco: Thank you. |
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| 07:25.54 | __marco | masoudd: I don't remember any more the specific procedure: look for dpkg-src and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 07:27.03 | __marco | masoudd: above should be: "If you have the 'deb-src' entries along the 'deb' *in the /etc/apt/sources.list*" |
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| 07:28.53 | masoudd | __marco: I see. I want to compile a newer version of a package. can I replace the source and still get a .deb file? |
| 07:29.35 | __marco | masoudd: sure. The result of dpkg-builpackage is a deb file |
| 07:29.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell masoudd about package rebuild |
| 07:30.04 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell masoudd about uupdate |
| 07:30.11 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell masoudd about backports |
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| 07:30.36 | jelly-home | masoudd: newer version of which package? |
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| 07:31.45 | masoudd | jelly-home: pulseaudio 11.1 |
| 07:32.11 | jelly-home | ,v pulseaudio |
| 07:32.13 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 5.0-13; jessie-backports: 7.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 11.1-1; sid: 11.1-2 |
| 07:32.28 | jelly-home | masoudd: you can attempt a backport. |
| 07:32.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell masoudd about simple sid backport |
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| 07:32.43 | masoudd | jelly-home: I'm on jessie. |
| 07:32.45 | masoudd | Thank you |
| 07:33.23 | jelly-home | masoudd: you might check if existing 7.1 backport fixes the things you find buggy, before that |
| 07:34.48 | masoudd | No I have to have 11.1 |
| 07:34.59 | masoudd | Not my decision |
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| 07:36.34 | masoudd | If I'm understanding correctly, I have to add a deb-src line from sid. right? |
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| 07:52.14 | indistylo | I want to install the spotify-client, I added the repo to source list and now having some dependency issues --> https://paste.debian.net/996984/ , How to resolve this? |
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| 08:04.22 | jelly-home | ,v libavcodec54 |
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| 08:04.23 | judd | Package: libavcodec54 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1 |
| 08:04.35 | jelly-home | indistylo: looks like that repo is not meant for debian |
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| 08:05.23 | jelly-home | indistylo: you can't satisfy the libavcodec54 dependency with any supported debian release |
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| 08:11.02 | masoudd | ,v debhelper |
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| 08:17.30 | indistylo | jelly-home, ok, So bottom-line is I can't install that spotify-client on debian box, Is it? |
| 08:17.36 | masoudd | It started compiling. Thank you jelly-home |
| 08:17.46 | jelly-home | indistylo: not those builds, no |
| 08:18.15 | indistylo | jelly-home, Ok thanks, any work around you would suggest |
| 08:18.43 | jelly-home | they say > Our aim is that it should work with the latest Long Term Support release of Ubuntu |
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| 08:19.01 | jelly-home | so maybe make a chroot with ubuntu 16.04 lts and try it there |
| 08:19.10 | jelly-home | !schroot |
| 08:19.10 | dpkg | schroot is an easy way of setting up a <chroot> in a way that can be treated as a session. If desired, modification to the chroot can be prevented using overlayfs or LVM snapshots, making it very convenient for building packages or simply running packages from other releases with minimal containment. See https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
| 08:19.22 | jelly-home | !debootstrap |
| 08:19.22 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 08:30.04 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 08:32.13 | contrapunctus | Can anyone recommend a user-friendly package management frontend? Synaptic seems dead in the water. |
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| 08:34.14 | contrapunctus | (Thanks to its mess with Wayland.) |
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| 08:35.18 | contrapunctus | (Even the workarounds seem to have stopped working, and the issue hasn't had any updates from the maintainers or devs.) |
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| 08:38.19 | bryanfrommacau | hi |
| 08:38.40 | bryanfrommacau | How can I install libpng12-0 in debian stretch |
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| 08:39.24 | buu | Error response from daemon: cgroups: memory cgroup not supported on this system: unknown |
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| 08:41.22 | buu | This is docker related I think |
| 08:41.24 | masoudd | ,v libpng12 |
| 08:41.26 | judd | No package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64. |
| 08:41.26 | buu | But I need some area to poke into |
| 08:41.43 | masoudd | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 08:41.45 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
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| 08:45.14 | dexta | gm |
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| 08:51.20 | buu | Ok, how do I enable memory cgroup? |
| 08:51.42 | buu | blkio cpu cpuacct cpu,cpuacct cpuset devices freezer net_cls net_cls,net_prio net_prio perf_event systemd |
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| 08:55.02 | buu | Ok, simpler question |
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| 08:55.06 | buu | Why am I still on 3.16 |
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| 08:59.26 | buu | I'm so confused |
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| 08:59.33 | buu | debian uses grub right? |
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| 09:00.50 | well_laid_lawn | yes |
| 09:00.51 | indistylo | buu, yes it uses grub |
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| 09:04.06 | buu | so uh |
| 09:04.31 | buu | How do I get debian to reboot into the new kernel I installed? |
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| 09:05.22 | ivan | buu: if it's newer than your current kernel, grub should do that automatically |
| 09:05.35 | buu | Yes.. but it didn't |
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| 09:05.43 | buu | I just installed update-grub2 and ran it manually |
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| 09:06.16 | buu | Lets find out what happens! |
| 09:06.31 | buu | I'm kind of confused why the system didn't have update grub |
| 09:07.04 | bryanfrommacau | hi I tried to install wps, I get this line: |
| 09:07.09 | bryanfrommacau | http://paste.debian.net/996999/ |
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| 09:09.42 | buu | How did you install it? |
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| 09:12.27 | bryanfrommacau | apt install ./filename.deb |
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| 09:14.04 | babilen | bryanfrommacau: Where's that .deb from? Looks as if it wasn't meant for your system. You'd normally get software from the Debian mirrors rather than from random places online. |
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| 09:14.59 | bryanfrommacau | it's from wps-community.org |
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| 09:15.26 | babilen | Well, it's obviously broken |
| 09:15.34 | babilen | You might want to let them know |
| 09:16.04 | bryanfrommacau | I will do that |
| 09:16.12 | bryanfrommacau | I think it may just not be working on stretch |
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| 09:18.16 | jrp93 | bryanfrommacau, https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=140892#p381271 |
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| 09:19.48 | bryanfrommacau | Wow that looks promising |
| 09:21.18 | jrp93 | bryanfrommacau, ran into the same thing awhile back |
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| 09:26.33 | ne2k | any suggestions on the nicest/cleanest way to add gretap tunnels and bridge them to a bridge on debianish (ubuntu) os, i.e. ifupdown /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:26.56 | babilen | jrp93: Why wouldn't they specify those dependencies in the package they provide and create the directories in their scripts? |
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| 09:28.17 | bryanfrommacau | I think libpng12-0 isn't really supported in the newest version of debian |
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| 09:33.05 | bryanfrommacau | I can't get the wps-fonts file to download |
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| 09:42.59 | jelly | ne2k: ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server if that's what you're using |
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| 09:47.22 | buu | Has anyone seen a bug where top/ps won't show cpu utilization? |
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| 09:47.54 | jelly | buu: which debian release, which kernel? |
| 09:48.32 | buu | jelly: stable, 4.9 |
| 09:48.39 | buu | Linux ss 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:49.13 | buu | Like it shows every single process at exactly 0% even when I run something I know is using 100% |
| 09:49.36 | jelly | buu: vm or hardware? |
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| 09:50.12 | jelly | that usually points to kernel issues |
| 09:50.23 | jelly | ,v docker.io |
| 09:50.24 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.13.1~ds2-3 |
| 09:51.19 | buu | jelly: hardware |
| 09:51.33 | buu | I do have docker installed but I'm running top/etc on the host |
| 09:51.43 | jelly | buu: is it perhaps very new hardware, like ryzen? |
| 09:51.49 | buu | nope =/ |
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| 09:52.01 | buu | This was working fine on 3.16 or so, then I rebooted to 4.9 |
| 09:52.02 | jelly | then do idea, check dmesg for strangeness |
| 09:52.07 | jelly | no* idea |
| 09:52.16 | buu | [ 11.171864] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PCI0.SAT1.SPT4._GTF] (Node ffff97a6fed0a820), AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/psparse-543) |
| 09:52.21 | buu | I got strangeness |
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| 10:02.08 | ne2k | jelly, it's ifupdown, same as debian |
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| 10:16.17 | gladioacuto | after resuming from suspension/hibernation X hangs or crashes and sometimes the system freezes. Here dmesg lines and /sys/class/drm/card0/error: http://paste.debian.net/996986/ and http://paste.debian.net/997001/ |
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| 10:26.20 | babilen | Package of the day (if you use SSDs): unburden-home-dir |
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| 10:27.47 | sh00p | Can I somehow disable DNS lookup on specific subnets? My computer is frantically performing dns lookup via google public dns on ip's that are on my local LAN |
| 10:28.47 | sh00p | I believe this started happening as I upgraded to debian 9, but it could also be due to my new router which doesn't have a DNS server |
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| 10:38.18 | buu | sh00p: well, if it's an ip, you don't ask a dns server for it |
| 10:38.25 | buu | sh00p: if it's a hostname, you have to ask *something* |
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| 10:42.45 | sh00p | buu: I have verified using tcpdump that it's trying to resolve hosts on my lan |
| 10:43.27 | sh00p | like, there's a computer with ip: 10.11.1.254... tcpdump shows it's trying to resolve 254.1.11.10.in-addr.arpa |
| 10:44.18 | sh00p | using google public dns, which is totally bonkers |
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| 10:48.30 | buu | oh, that's a reverse look up |
| 10:48.36 | tw | that's application specific behavior. |
| 10:48.58 | tw | you'd have to turn it off per application, or set up a dns server to handle those requests. |
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| 10:52.13 | ZSky | I have a "debian-7.6-x86_64" on a server. Is it old? What is the stable one that people should use? |
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| 10:56.52 | cusco | hello |
| 10:57.15 | cusco | we've got a mail server with md raid, and IO performance is not great.. |
| 10:57.25 | cusco | I've read on the web that disabling journaling could be good |
| 10:57.32 | cusco | I'm not sure of the implications tho |
| 10:57.44 | cusco | what could I do to increase performance? |
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| 10:58.42 | sillyslux | ZSky, "Wheezy also benefits from Long Term Support (LTS) until the end of May 2018." https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ |
| 10:58.56 | Iridos | is there a query language in evolution or thunderbird |
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| 10:59.29 | themill | Iridos: beyond the normal language of "wtf is that email, I know I had one somewhere" |
| 11:00.01 | cusco | heh |
| 11:00.17 | cusco | thunderbird used to store stuff in sqlite |
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| 11:01.35 | Iridos | I just thought⦠listname && ( spamkeyword || otherspamkw || nutterwun ) would be the intuitive thing to write |
| 11:01.43 | Iridos | or⦠sender && keyword |
| 11:02.16 | cusco | ow from the search bar? you can click to apply filters |
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| 11:02.30 | cusco | I normally use from: only |
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| 11:04.11 | Iridos | oh well⦠I'll do it another way |
| 11:04.22 | Iridos | that just seemed the obvious way |
| 11:04.34 | Iridos | even google has AND and OR in their web search |
| 11:05.23 | ZSky | debian-8.0-x86_64-minimal vs debian-8.0-x86_64 , what's the diff? |
| 11:06.00 | buu | ZSky: I assume size |
| 11:06.06 | buu | Iridos: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/global-search#thunderbird:win10:tb52 |
| 11:06.48 | ZSky | and more precisely? |
| 11:07.12 | buu | size would imply they bundle different packages |
| 11:07.22 | buu | Where are you seeing these terms? |
| 11:08.48 | sillyslux | debian 8 is "oldstable" as well |
| 11:08.57 | sillyslux | current stable is debian 9 |
| 11:09.25 | sillyslux | ZSky, https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 11:09.42 | ZSky | buu: https://imgur.com/a/u57a1 |
| 11:09.49 | ZSky | on my VPS provider |
| 11:10.11 | buu | why are you asking us? |
| 11:10.15 | buu | It's not like we run your host |
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| 11:11.17 | buu | Presumably one image has X packages and the other has X+Y |
| 11:11.33 | ZSky | buu: i was thinking it was a common name here |
| 11:11.57 | ZSky | and that "minimal" was a common name for X=... |
| 11:12.02 | Iridos | no, the smallest debian installer image is netinstall⦠those are custom things prepared from your host |
| 11:12.32 | themill | image â installation |
| 11:12.37 | Iridos | ask them⦠or install both and look what's there with dpkg -l (or possibly look for tasks ) |
| 11:12.41 | ZSky | ok |
| 11:12.57 | Iridos | yeah⦠but last time I looked there were no ready-made installs provided by the project |
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| 11:13.14 | Iridos | although I would have liked to just have a minimal one to unpack a couple of times |
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| 11:13.21 | themill | as in, it doesn't matter what install medium you start with |
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| 11:13.51 | Iridos | well, you reboot after you installed the packages from the netinst⦠|
| 11:14.09 | Iridos | and what you have afterwards could be seen as a minimal install |
| 11:14.40 | themill | nope, the netinst can install anything you like and you can just as easily install the smallest thing you like off DVD1 |
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| 11:15.56 | Iridos | the netinst does have a fixed amount of packages, though, that is enough for a system capable of booting without network access |
| 11:16.09 | sillyslux | debootstrap installs a system with low footprint, not even a kernel is included |
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| 11:16.51 | themill | Iridos: sure, but that's just a function of what is predownloaded for the netinst. The netinst doesn't make a bigger or smaller installation than CD1 or DVD1. |
| 11:17.09 | themill | The difference is just when the packages are downloaded |
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| 11:17.31 | Achylles | I have this file "mod2a.drawing" and others in a folder like this one "module02.vsdx" that I can open with libreoffice, but the first one I cannot figure out with is the program in debian to open it. |
| 11:17.41 | Iridos | well, it does if you have no network⦠and it leaves you with something that can boot and run⦠you *can* see that as a minimal install |
| 11:18.25 | themill | Iridos: sure, but that's a property of not having a network, not a property of the installer. Saying "I installed with iso $image" says nothing about the size of the installation |
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| 11:18.45 | Iridos | I never said that⦠|
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| 11:19.20 | themill | «<Iridos> no, the smallest debian installer image is netinstallâ¦Â» â is therefore irrelevant, that's all |
| 11:19.22 | Iridos | but there is a relatively small choice of packages on the netinst |
| 11:20.32 | Iridos | buu, meh, seems there is no "or" in this, only "and" and phrases |
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| 12:48.59 | bolovanos | jhutchins, found what was the problem with vim colorschemes - I am using putty and it was not using 256 colors... |
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| 12:59.16 | no_gravity | Do you guys consider it secure to add a user account on a debian machine and then disable login via usermod -s /sbin/nologin theuser? |
| 12:59.45 | JustASlacker | nods |
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| 13:01.01 | no_gravity | I see. |
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| 13:04.14 | ppito | ssalut amis debianistes |
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| 13:31.42 | fishcooker | whats alternative apps to manage clipboard list of copy paste command eg: clipman or klipper? |
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| 13:33.44 | darxmurf | ClipIt ? |
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| 13:44.47 | astronavt | sillyslux: she came back to life! |
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| 14:17.40 | sillyslux | astronavt, what did you do? |
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| 14:31.07 | astronavt | waited a while. turned it back on |
| 14:31.24 | astronavt | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:31.35 | contrapunctus | Can anyone recommend a user-friendly package management frontend? Synaptic seems dead in the water, thanks to its mess with Wayland. (Even the workarounds seem to have stopped working, and the issue hasn't had any updates from the maintainers or devs.) |
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| 14:36.57 | Brigo | contrapunctus, gnome-packagekit? |
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| 14:37.36 | beeman | hello. |
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| 15:01.28 | peteski | hi all, trying to get Debian set up on an older laptop. I thought I was clever enabling testing repo, contrib and non-free then installing intel-microcode AND an older nvidia driver before rebooting.. but I'm kinda stuck now unable to get back to logon with something about how it's started update UTMP about system runlevelchanges ....d themselves.... |
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| 15:01.47 | peteski | I was reading a post about removing/reinstalling the intel video package |
| 15:01.59 | peteski | but it doesn't look like my NICs come online from recovery console :| :( |
| 15:02.17 | peteski | Any ideas what I should try next before I plough on and probably make more of a mess ? |
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| 15:02.34 | beeman | how can i make that when i plug hdmi it will turn off the laptop screen and when i unplug the hdmi it will turn turn on the laptop screen? |
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| 15:03.09 | tw | peteski: maybe `systemctl isolate multi-user.target` ? |
| 15:03.22 | tw | it'll get you a pre-graphical login. |
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| 15:06.00 | peteski | from the recovery screen/console? |
| 15:06.20 | tw | If it's the one I'm thinking of, yes, that should work. |
| 15:06.31 | peteski | thanks, lemme give it a go |
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| 15:09.05 | peteski | oooh |
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| 15:10.42 | peteski | that's got me logged in and network access! thanks! |
| 15:10.43 | Johrmungand | Hey guys, just wanted to ask if wpasuplicant is installed by default on stable? What is the easiest way to connect to a WPA2 network without needing to install anything new? (I don't have any wired connection to use to get new packages) |
| 15:10.56 | peteski | that package xserver-xorg-intel-video is nowhere to be seen it seems :) |
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| 15:11.44 | NeilHanlon | Johrmungand as far as I know you should be able to connect to wifi out of the box |
| 15:12.06 | Johrmungand | How NeilHanlon? I don't have an DE |
| 15:12.14 | Johrmungand | Just the shell |
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| 15:14.07 | NeilHanlon | Johrmungand well is wpa_supplicant installed? `dpkg --list | grep wpasupplicant` |
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| 15:15.18 | Johrmungand | I am not in front of the machine right now, i just installed Debian (legacy dualboot) yesterday and went to sleep afterwards (not my dad is using the only ethernet cable so I can't use it) |
| 15:15.40 | tw | going to make it difficult to fix then ;) |
| 15:15.58 | Johrmungand | Lol yeah |
| 15:16.09 | Johrmungand | Oh well I guess Ill ask again after I get gome |
| 15:16.11 | Johrmungand | Home* |
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| 15:16.17 | NeilHanlon | as long as you have wpasupplicant installed you should have no issue |
| 15:17.11 | astronavt | i was having wpa supplicant issues on a macbook. somehow the NIC just wasnt recognized |
| 15:17.12 | tw | afaik, it isn't installed by default if you didn't add some kind of desktop package. |
| 15:17.45 | Johrmungand | Hmm, I can put it on a USB and mount it and dpkg install it? |
| 15:17.52 | Johrmungand | Dpkg - I? |
| 15:17.53 | dpkg | Johrmungand: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:18.06 | Johrmungand | Lol |
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| 15:18.47 | Johrmungand | Should've installed a DE honestly |
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| 15:19.22 | tw | Johrmungand: if you happen to have all of the dependency packages too. |
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| 15:19.59 | astronavt | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/wpasupplicant |
| 15:20.11 | Johrmungand | How many does it need? |
| 15:20.16 | astronavt | lots of libraries |
| 15:20.19 | astronavt | adduser |
| 15:20.30 | Johrmungand | Shit |
| 15:20.33 | astronavt | just download them |
| 15:20.34 | tw | At least 9, plus whatever deps of those. |
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| 15:20.45 | astronavt | libc, libdbus you should already have probably |
| 15:20.50 | astronavt | same with libreadline and libssl |
| 15:20.57 | astronavt | lsb-base too i assume |
| 15:21.20 | Johrmungand | Na I'll just wait till I can use a wired connection |
| 15:21.21 | netsrot | Hi, what is the fastest most lightweight gui c lib that works with both x11 and wayland? |
| 15:21.30 | colo-work | probably gtk ;) |
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| 15:24.01 | tw | Probably the only one that actually supports it, besides straight gles. |
| 15:24.29 | tw | no fltk, no tk. There's probably some enlightenment libs that support it. |
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| 15:32.32 | sangy | Hi, is there something similar to a ppa in debian? if so, any guide you people would recommend to set it up? |
| 15:32.58 | babilen | sangy: What's your intention with that repository? |
| 15:33.20 | sangy | babilen: I have a couple of packages that I self-maintain and I want them to be accessible to containers/virtual-machines, etc |
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| 15:34.17 | sangy | as of now I've been doing manual copy and dpkg -i, but now i have three packages instead of one so it's starting to become burdensome |
| 15:34.34 | tw | sangy: you can maintain your own repository and then add it to sources.list.d. |
| 15:34.42 | JustASlacker | http://blog.jonliv.es/blog/2011/04/26/creating-your-own-signed-apt-repository-and-debian-packages/ |
| 15:34.55 | JustASlacker | kinda old but should be mostly the same |
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| 15:35.09 | sangy | JustASlacker, tw, babilen thanks. I googled this but I wasn't sure if I was possibly missing $NEWTOOL |
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| 15:35.41 | JustASlacker | well, the new way would be to have the whole process be done by jenkins :D |
| 15:36.28 | tw | I was going to say configuration management like saltstack, but jenkins would surely be newfangled. |
| 15:36.33 | sangy | JustASlacker: right. I'll probably provision docker containers to auto-buld and auto-sign. Speaking of which, is there a way for dpkg-buildpackage to download the dependencies listed in the control file? |
| 15:36.46 | babilen | sangy: Are you looking for someone to host your packages for you or are you happy to host them yourself? |
| 15:37.00 | tw | apt-get build-dep |
| 15:37.01 | sangy | babilen: happy to host them myself. I also want to learn how to do it |
| 15:37.05 | sangy | tw: awesome |
| 15:37.30 | sangy | thanks again for all the help! :D |
| 15:37.52 | sangy | damn this debian community is so nice. Keep on being cool guys |
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| 15:39.41 | babilen | sangy: For self-hosted repositories I would personally recommend to use aptly (cf. https://www.aptly.info/) -- You can use the following as dput integration: http://paste.debian.net/997072/ |
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| 15:40.06 | sangy | babilen: thanks, thanks. I'll take a look |
| 15:40.35 | babilen | sangy: That incoming script with publish all .changes files in the given incoming directory and will automatically create snapshots of the state *before* the upload (so that you can switch back easily) |
| 15:40.51 | babilen | You might want to write a cronjob to clean up unwanted snapshots after a while |
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| 15:43.24 | babilen | sangy: Let me know if you run into problems .. aptly takes a little bit to wrap your head around, but in the end it works like: 1. aptly repo create ... 2. aptly snapshot ... 3. aptly publish ... (ensure to specify uploaders file during repo creation, architectures and distribution and all that during that and other steps) |
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| 15:44.00 | babilen | Once you've "published" your empty repo, you can use dput to upload new packages that are published immediately |
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| 15:49.13 | sangy | babilen: nice. I'm reading through the guides. Is this on the debian repositories? |
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| 15:49.45 | babilen | judd: v aptly |
| 15:49.46 | judd | Package: aptly on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8-3; stretch: 0.9.7-1+b1; stretch-backports: 1.1.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.1-2; sid: 1.1.1-2 |
| 15:49.46 | bendem | any reason why openjdk-8-jre-headless depends on x11? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/openjdk-8-jre-headless |
| 15:49.50 | babilen | sangy: ^^^ it is |
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| 15:50.04 | sangy | babilen: awesome! thanks! |
| 15:50.09 | babilen | Have fun! |
| 15:50.24 | babilen | (you probably want the version from stretch-backports) |
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| 15:55.51 | contrapunctus | Brigo: I think I tried that once, and it had some bugs which made it unsuitable for use by laymen. |
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| 15:56.18 | contrapunctus | Let me try it. |
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| 16:01.24 | Brigo | contrapunctus, just a suggestion. |
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| 16:08.24 | contrapunctus | Brigo: hey, looks good, thanks! :D |
| 16:08.28 | tw | How do I request a backport (or even an update) of a package? tinyproxy is pretty crippled by #880427 because logrotate sends it SIGHUP daily. |
| 16:08.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/880427 in tinyproxy (closed, patch): «tinyproxy: If tinyproxy receives a SIGHUP, then the children exit without being restarted and tinyproxy hangs.»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-10-31; last modified: 2017-11-15. |
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| 16:10.34 | n4dir | tw you do it with a bug report, and it has got an according name (request to package or work-needing packages ;;; or such) |
| 16:10.54 | n4dir | i wouldn't hold my breath. |
| 16:11.36 | babilen | I just backport myself .. not too tricky once you have the build infrastructure (cowbuilder or sbuild) in place |
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| 16:11.48 | tw | small userbase for that package. I rebuilt it for myself, but wasted a fair bit of time figuring out why it was breaking. |
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| 16:12.04 | babilen | I know that's a bit "Once all the problems have been solved, it'll be easy" :) |
| 16:12.28 | n4dir | !wnpp |
| 16:12.28 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 16:12.43 | n4dir | not sure anymore if that is the right thing, but might be the right track ... |
| 16:13.42 | babilen | I think for a backport it's fine to just file a wishlist bug against the "normal" package |
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| 16:15.38 | jhutchins_wk | There's also a backports mailing list where you can flag the RFP. |
| 16:16.19 | babilen | Yeah! |
| 16:16.26 | babilen | RFB? |
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| 16:19.51 | RoyK | hi all. Seems unattnded-upgrades is stuck somewhere. It's reporting having upgraded icedtea-7-jre-jamvm every day now, but that's not quite true |
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| 16:23.29 | petn-randall | ,v icedtea-7-jre-jamvm |
| 16:23.30 | judd | Package: icedtea-7-jre-jamvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u151-2.6.11-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 7u151-2.6.11-1+deb7u1; experimental: 7u151-2.6.11-2 |
| 16:23.44 | petn-randall | RoyK: On jessie or wheezy? |
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| 16:25.59 | RoyK | jessie |
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| 16:27.11 | RoyK | haven't bothered to upgrade this to stretch yet - just a home server |
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| 16:28.02 | Johrmungand | Guys, I am unable to install firmware-iwlwifi. It says says it has no installation candidate |
| 16:28.22 | RoyK | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:28.23 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 16:28.37 | Johrmungand | It says it is referred to by another package, but maybe be only available from another source |
| 16:28.58 | RoyK | Johrmungand: have you enabled non-free? |
| 16:29.00 | jelly | dpkg, tell Johrmungand about non-free sources |
| 16:29.06 | jelly | or not |
| 16:29.13 | RoyK | :þ |
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| 16:30.01 | Johrmungand | Did anyone suggest any fix? I accidentally got disconnected |
| 16:30.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell Johrmungand about non-free sources |
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| 16:30.39 | Johrmungand | I already have those enabled I think, I used the non free iso |
| 16:30.43 | Johrmungand | I'll check again |
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| 16:33.47 | cesurasean | yo |
| 16:33.53 | cesurasean | bluetooth isnt working on sid |
| 16:34.10 | jhutchins_wk | Johrmungand: Make sure contrib is enabled as well. |
| 16:34.14 | cesurasean | seems you fix pulse audio |
| 16:34.18 | cesurasean | then bluetooth broke |
| 16:34.20 | cesurasean | :D |
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| 16:34.38 | cesurasean | should i just revert to stretch? |
| 16:34.38 | Johrmungand | Yeah it fixed it |
| 16:34.50 | Johrmungand | I thought using the non free iso already put those in |
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| 16:36.19 | zer0x | my lockscreen's resolution is lower than normal resolution, any idea why? |
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| 16:41.09 | Johrmungand | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.59 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:42.59 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:43.01 | n4dir | ifconfig was replaced with ip ; you can still install ifconfig though (i sure don't know the package-name you would need) |
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| 16:44.29 | Ney | hi, how screwed am I if "apt list" segfaults? |
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| 16:45.02 | Ney | or in other words, can you reinstall apt or something like that? |
| 16:45.02 | Johrmungand | How do I use up to list my interfaces? |
| 16:45.07 | Johrmungand | Ip |
| 16:45.28 | colo-work | ip l |
| 16:45.39 | colo-work | (short for `ip link`) |
| 16:45.45 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: Which release? |
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| 16:46.11 | ZSky | Hi, I reinstalled a blank clean Debian 8 on my VPS. |
| 16:46.15 | Johrmungand | Stupid question, but when I used arch this wasn't my wifi card name. Do these change? |
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| 16:46.31 | ZSky | I added a MX DNS record to the server for my domain |
| 16:46.33 | petn-randall | Johrmungand: Define "this". |
| 16:46.34 | jhutchins_wk | Johrmungand: Yes. New naming convention |
| 16:46.37 | astronavt | you mean like 'eth0' or whatever? |
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| 16:46.51 | astronavt | different distros have different ways of naming devices |
| 16:46.53 | ZSky | Now what should I do to just be able to send emails to root@mydomain.com ? |
| 16:46.57 | Johrmungand | Wwp0s20u4i6 holy shit lol |
| 16:47.09 | ZSky | petn-randall: as you can see, I have reduced my goal to smoething much simpler, to start with :) |
| 16:47.12 | jhutchins_wk | astronavt: Actually, they don't. Different KERNELS have different naming schemes. |
| 16:47.15 | Ney | jhutchins: of apt or debian? |
| 16:47.27 | n4dir | yeah, that seems to be the default name-scheme right now. Shit knows who came up with that great idea |
| 16:47.46 | Johrmungand | Yeah so how do I turn it on |
| 16:47.47 | astronavt | jhutchins_wk: really? so every distro on 4.9 will have the same device naming? |
| 16:47.47 | Johrmungand | Like up |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: There are good reasons behind it; it's mostly of benefit for people running servers with multiple interfaces on different busses. |
| 16:48.07 | ivan | Ney: you can reinstall things with dpkg |
| 16:48.22 | ivan | maybe you can find out why apt list is segfaulting, though? |
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| 16:48.48 | Ney | ivan: that might be an idea as well |
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| 16:49.14 | jhutchins_wk | !interface names |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 16:49.20 | Ney | not really a power user... so just looking for an easy solution |
| 16:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | It is possible to revert to the old naming scheme. |
| 16:49.58 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: i see. thanks. to me it is just a pain in the ass though. |
| 16:50.08 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: Which release of debian |
| 16:50.08 | Johrmungand | It's no longer ifconfig name up |
| 16:50.11 | Ney | jhutchins: Debian is wheezy 4.1 and apt is 1.0.9.2 |
| 16:50.26 | ivan | Ney: strace -ff apt list and see what it's reading before it segfaults |
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| 16:50.39 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: Does apt-get work? |
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| 16:50.43 | ivan | er, just strace -f |
| 16:50.47 | Ney | apt-get update works at least |
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| 16:51.00 | Ney | and no strace on the system (ofcourse) |
| 16:51.02 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: I think apt-get will do a reinstall. |
| 16:51.11 | Johrmungand | colo-work: what's the ip equivalent to ifconfig wlan up? |
| 16:51.35 | jhutchins_wk | Johrmungand: Have you considered checking the man page? You might learn other useful things there. |
| 16:52.12 | Johrmungand | I did but I don't understand shit (I don't want to be spoonfeed I swear it's just my English isn't that good and I get confused easily lol) |
| 16:52.27 | colo-work | not sure how/what iwconfig is replaced by these days, but to set a link to state "up", you use `ip link set dev <intfname> up` |
| 16:53.23 | colo-work | (Debian still uses ifupdown for interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces btw) |
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| 16:54.27 | n4dir | colo-work: where else would you configure them ? |
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| 16:54.46 | marcp | ifup wlan0 |
| 16:55.02 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: network-manager |
| 16:55.08 | colo-work | n4dir, well, with things like ucarp for CARP and keepalived for VRRP, you could have special services taking care of interface configuration |
| 16:55.13 | colo-work | or that, yeah :) |
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| 16:55.20 | karlpinc | msg dpkg pciid |
| 16:55.33 | jelly | Ney: what is "apt list" supposed to do, anyway? |
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| 16:56.18 | astronavt | flood your console. what else? |
| 16:56.21 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Lists available packages. |
| 16:56.41 | n4dir | available or installed? |
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| 16:57.02 | jelly | Ney: maybe it's just buggy. Does apt crash with any other command? |
| 16:57.08 | Ney | so installed strace |
| 16:57.09 | Ney | read(6, "Package: zssh\nVersion: 1.5c.debi"..., 13444) = 13406 |
| 16:57.09 | Ney | read(6, "", 38) = 0 |
| 16:57.09 | Ney | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 16:57.09 | Ney | +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++ |
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| 16:57.10 | jhutchins_wk | 51,683 of them. I assume that's all available. |
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| 16:57.24 | n4dir | jesus. whatever that might be good for ... :-) |
| 16:57.25 | Ney | eep, 4 lines paste too much :\ |
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| 16:58.28 | jelly | Ney: if apt-get and other apt something stuff works, you're probably not screwed at all. Report the bug. |
| 16:58.38 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 16:58.38 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 16:58.39 | Ney | anyway I thought apt list, listed installed packages and not available ones ... |
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| 16:59.14 | n4dir | If it is on wheezy, then a bug report is probably pretty pointless (or did i get wheezy wrong?) |
| 16:59.29 | colo-work | n4dir, high availability on IP networks, mostly :) |
| 16:59.49 | Ney | yeah bugreport is probably pointles |
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| 16:59.59 | jelly | Ney, n4dir: /usr/bin/apt is new with stretch, it can't be wheezy and it might be buggy |
| 17:00.16 | jelly | it's only pointless if you don't want it fixed |
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| 17:00.26 | n4dir | colo-work: my main question was if debian now uses a different file instead of interfaces. But thanks for all the info |
| 17:00.26 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: dpkg -l does. |
| 17:00.43 | n4dir | Isnt wheezy old-old-stable ? |
| 17:00.47 | colo-work | ah. not as far as I'm aware. ubuntu recently killed it though, afaict. |
| 17:00.51 | colo-work | and wheezy is oldoldstable, yes |
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| 17:01.06 | n4dir | why would anyone bother to remove a bug from it? |
| 17:01.12 | colo-work | altruism? :) |
| 17:01.20 | n4dir | ha ha. That's the spirit |
| 17:01.21 | karlpinc | n4dir: Because it might still be a bug? |
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| 17:02.24 | n4dir | i would propose to first remove all bugs from etch though |
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| 17:04.09 | Ney | anyway, I should start from the top, wanted to install something (this is a NAS server hence the wheezy). I used the webinterface that came with the system, but it doesnt really give much info, so I decided to go look for issues commandline |
| 17:05.04 | Ney | so I wanted to find the package name hence list |
| 17:05.24 | n4dir | apt-cache search <pkgname-expression> |
| 17:05.37 | Ney | apt search segfaults as well, but I kinda think it's the same issue (it lists then searches ...) |
| 17:06.10 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: You should probably reinstall apt. |
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| 17:06.24 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: What package are you looking for? |
| 17:06.33 | n4dir | if it is an installed package, the command by jhutchins_wk will help (dpkg -l | grep <pattern>). |
| 17:06.37 | kallenp | Hi, please, any idea ? Apache2: Re-negotiation handshake failed: Not accepted by client!?, |
| 17:06.50 | Ney | Logitech Media Server and it's not installed |
| 17:06.59 | jhutchins_wk | kallenp: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 17:07.05 | Ney | i have a .deb file for it if it's not in any repositories |
| 17:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | Ney: That's not likely to be a Debian package. |
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| 17:09.55 | karlpinc | How can I tell if I need non-free firmware? I've an intel graphics controller pciid 8086:a011 which uses the i915 driver. apt-cache search i915 tells me that there's a firmware-misc-nonfree package. It's description lists various firmware for i915 hardware, which includes vocabularly like "Broxton", "Kabylake" and "Skylake". How can I tell if I need any of this? |
| 17:10.23 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:a011 |
| 17:10.24 | judd | [8086:a011] is 'Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a011 |
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| 17:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: You can dmesg|less and search for firmware to see if it's trying to load something, but it's not likely for an Intel device. |
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| 17:11.13 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Yes. I did that. But would that tell me if I needed firmwawre? |
| 17:11.21 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: What are your symptoms. |
| 17:11.40 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: You would see it trying to load the firmware, and failing if it's not on your system. |
| 17:11.43 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Nothing obvious in dmesg. I'll grep for firmware. |
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| 17:16.19 | Bierjpg|X8 | Hello, someone have Adaptec cards running under Debian 9? I have an Adaptec 51645. For now i only found an really old aarconf for Debian 6. I am comming from XP-x64 and had this ARCCONF running: |
| 17:16.22 | Bierjpg|X8 | https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/speed/raid/storage_manager/arcconf_v1_8_21375_zip.php |
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| 17:16.57 | Bierjpg|X8 | can i now go on and grab the same version for Linux? |
| 17:16.58 | Bierjpg|X8 | https://adaptec.com/en-us/speed/raid/storage_manager/msm_linux_x64_v1_08_21375_tgz.php |
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| 17:17.19 | Bierjpg|X8 | With out trouble? |
| 17:17.24 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I don't seem to have a problem, maybe. I upgraded to stretch the other day. Both this box, which is the xserver and the xclient. This morning the xserver seemed to not recognize the keyboard or video. Local keyboard did not respond and a "wall blah blah" did not put anything on the screen after sshing in. |
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| 17:17.43 | Bierjpg|X8 | i dont want to kill a driver... with a debian 6.0 package |
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| 17:18.38 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: So, I eventually rebooted. Now everything works but when I was sshed in I did see some dmesg stuff (now lost) which said something about interrupts and increasing a timeout and I thought it was video related. So... Poking about with a stick. |
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| 17:19.42 | Bierjpg|X8 | thanks guys |
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| 17:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | Bierjpg|X8: It should be natively supported by a kernel module. |
| 17:21.38 | Bierjpg|X8 | yes |
| 17:21.41 | Bierjpg|X8 | it also works |
| 17:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | Bierjpg|X8: You probably want to read up on managing RAID in Linux before you do too much. |
| 17:22.08 | Bierjpg|X8 | but i want to grab the infos from the Harddrives from the Controller |
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| 17:22.24 | Bierjpg|X8 | for now i was using arcconf for it |
| 17:23.26 | Freelance | I apologize if this is butting into the middle of a conversation but my wireless isn't working. I have no idea what's wrong. Not sure how to go about describing the problem |
| 17:23.44 | jhutchins_wk | Freelance: Don't sweat it, that's how irc is. |
| 17:23.45 | Freelance | dmesg gives IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 17:23.53 | jelly-home | Freelance: did it ever work on this system? |
| 17:23.57 | Freelance | and the same message repeated with "wlan1" instead of wlan0 |
| 17:23.58 | Freelance | Yep |
| 17:24.08 | Freelance | I was messing with dnsmasq and it just broke |
| 17:24.13 | jhutchins_wk | Freelance: What changed? |
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| 17:24.17 | Freelance | I'm using a CHIP, kinda like a Pi but cheaper |
| 17:24.37 | jelly-home | Freelance: well, can you remove dnsmasq, reboot and try again? |
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| 17:25.02 | Freelance | It won't connect to wireless networks at all. The device is up, and I get errors with either no error messages or nondescript ones |
| 17:25.04 | Freelance | I did. |
| 17:25.14 | jelly-home | Freelance: that probably uses a sunxi 3.4 kernel with known issues; what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 17:25.35 | Freelance | 4.4.13-ntc-mlc armv7l |
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| 17:25.54 | jelly-home | huh, maybe I'm misremembering the SoC |
| 17:26.09 | jelly-home | Freelance: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 17:26.22 | Freelance | buster/sid |
| 17:26.25 | jelly-home | ouch |
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| 17:26.52 | jelly-home | that's some snapshot of testing or unstable, looks like |
| 17:27.07 | jelly-home | Freelance: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 17:27.15 | Freelance | Debian 10, yeah. I manually changed it from stable |
| 17:27.17 | Freelance | :/ |
| 17:27.37 | jelly-home | no wonder things broke |
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| 17:27.52 | jelly-home | Freelance: can you reinstall stretch |
| 17:27.53 | Freelance | It says "command not found" ã |
| 17:28.08 | Freelance | I can. And yep, my own fault really |
| 17:29.29 | Freelance | I generally fix my own problems, but I've tried absolutely everything I can think of. I was hoping someone would have ideas to fix it, and it wasn't a kernel problem |
| 17:29.35 | Freelance | or something. |
| 17:30.07 | jelly-home | "don't use testing or unstable unless you have good experience with debian" is an idea |
| 17:30.30 | Freelance | Well, I thought I did ã |
| 17:30.36 | RoyK | !sns |
| 17:30.36 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:31.20 | jelly-home | those tiny arm boards are even more prone to extra issues due to limited kernel choices and incomplete hw support |
| 17:31.24 | Freelance | Honestly, it's really likely a hardware/kernel incompatibility. |
| 17:31.28 | Freelance | Yup |
| 17:31.30 | Freelance | Well thanks |
| 17:32.00 | jelly-home | I mean you could ask in #debian-arm over on irc.oftc.net, but if the thing worked with stretch, maybe keep that for a while |
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| 17:32.40 | jelly-home | it might be something in userspace, might be an incomplete release upgrade, might be just something that is broken in testing right now |
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| 17:34.14 | jelly-home | so if you want to be a good testing/unstable user, make sure apt's state is consistent first; then try to rule out userspace components, perhaps by configuring wifi with CLI tools and wpa_supplicant manually |
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| 17:35.17 | Freelance | I used wpa_supplicant, dhcpcd, and nmtui/nmcli |
| 17:36.06 | Freelance | I'm either overlooking something incredibly basic or there's some other problem. I really don't think it's the fault of a program. |
| 17:36.55 | Freelance | But thanks. I think I'll reflash. |
| 17:37.04 | jelly-home | does this thing have a wired ethernet iface? |
| 17:37.18 | Freelance | It does. |
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| 17:37.48 | jelly-home | then you'd be able to see if "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" report no issues with packages, first |
| 17:38.28 | jelly-home | (the latter tries to grab any missing deps, so internet access is useful) |
| 17:38.48 | Freelance | I tried setting it down, since apparently there's been a kernel bug where if the ethernet face is up wireless sometimes fails. For some reason, it worked temporarily before stopping again. And sorry, there aren't any package problems |
| 17:38.54 | Bierjpg|X8 | ok it works :D |
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| 17:39.04 | jelly-home | Freelance: also you'll be able to pastebin things like dmesg output |
| 17:39.40 | jelly-home | Freelance: yeah, weird issues like that are sadly often found on many cheap arm boards |
| 17:40.22 | Freelance | Ah, gotcha. I was afraid it was the hardware |
| 17:40.26 | Freelance | Well, thanks. |
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| 17:41.38 | jelly-home | wtf named that thing, it's impossible to get a useful web search result for "C.H.I.P arm soc" |
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| 17:47.47 | jhutchins_wk | Fundamental step in naming your project: google the proposed name. |
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| 17:49.37 | RoyK | jelly-home: I know |
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| 17:50.39 | teraflops | heh go search for P (pump.io client) |
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| 17:52.46 | greycat | pssht, that would be almost as silly as naming a programming language "C" or "R" |
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| 18:06.09 | RoyK | !spam |
| 18:06.09 | dpkg | [spam] a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>. |
| 18:07.32 | tw | or naming a language go, who would do that in the age of search engine optimization? |
| 18:07.36 | tw | oh wait, that was google. |
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| 18:16.07 | Ney | alright, so it turned out that there was a new firmware release running jessie, all the old problems are now gone ... lesson: don't use old old software :D |
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| 19:03.29 | ngc0202_ | hi, is it possible to blacklist a specific package version from apt-get ? |
| 19:03.58 | ngc0202_ | I downgraded a package and I wont' want apt-get upgrade to update it to the one I had, but I also want to leave it open to be updated past the current latest version |
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| 19:04.52 | RoyK | !holding |
| 19:05.16 | RoyK | ngc0202_: apt-mark hold |
| 19:06.09 | teraflops | blacklist? you mean you want to hold a package and not upgrade it? because hold != blacklist |
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| 19:06.45 | Manis | Hi. Is VirtIO supported by the debian netinst kernel+initrd? |
| 19:06.53 | teraflops | it is |
| 19:07.07 | ngc0202_ | teraflops: I don't want to prevent the package from being updated, I just want to keep it from upgrading to a SPECIFIC version |
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| 19:07.41 | ngc0202_ | is apt-hold right for that? |
| 19:07.54 | ngc0202_ | apt-mark I mean |
| 19:08.33 | teraflops | isnt it the same as holding it? unless youre doing apt pining or not plain debian stable |
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| 19:09.04 | ngc0202_ | I thought holding meant it would never be automatically updated |
| 19:09.23 | teraflops | ⦠or you want to blacklist a package in the future⦠|
| 19:09.54 | greycat | He downgraded foo version 5 to foo version 4. He wants to put it on semi-hold so that foo version 5 can never be installed, but foo 6 CAN be. |
| 19:10.08 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea whether Debian has anything like that. |
| 19:10.38 | teraflops | so blacklist a package in the furute |
| 19:10.41 | teraflops | future |
| 19:10.56 | nkuttler | can equivs fake a specific version? |
| 19:10.58 | teraflops | ngc0202_: oor are you doing pining/testing/sid? |
| 19:11.08 | ngc0202_ | thank you for clarifying for me, greycat |
| 19:11.32 | ngc0202_ | I'm on testing |
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| 19:11.42 | ngc0202_ | buster, right? |
| 19:12.03 | greycat | yeah, both are the same right now |
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| 19:16.58 | ngc0202_ | found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/654119/how-do-i-block-a-specific-version-of-a-package-to-be-installed-by-aptitude-or-a |
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| 19:22.40 | teraflops | hmm, I think stuff at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ accepts things like "apache2*" maybe you can play with it adding more complex strings (just a theory) |
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| 19:24.57 | jhutchins | pinning |
| 19:25.02 | jhutchins | !pinning |
| 19:25.02 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 19:25.18 | greycat | to be fair, the ubuntu URL he gave already explains how to achieve the result |
| 19:25.23 | ngc0202_ | I tried `aptitude forbid-version` which sounds like exactly what I want, but when I do `apt-get upgrade` it still tries to upgrade them |
| 19:25.33 | greycat | ... but he didn't READ it. :( |
| 19:25.49 | Winwin | https://cryptosrevolution.wixsite.com/beta/ |
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| 19:26.12 | ngc0202 | how could you say I didn't read it when I didn't say anything after posting the link.. |
| 19:26.19 | sillyslux | owly holy what's with all that shitposting here |
| 19:26.48 | greycat | Because the URL says "Please note: This forbidden version is only honoured by aptitude. apt-get or other package managers will upgrade the package if run. |
| 19:26.51 | greycat | " |
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| 19:27.50 | ngc0202_ | fair enough |
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| 19:30.08 | ngc0202 | meh I put a hold on it. hope I don't break anything by forgetting about this hold |
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| 19:30.22 | greycat | you'll be reminded continually |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | Calculating upgrade... Done |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:31.00 | sillyslux | greycat, now kick him in ##javascript as well please... |
| 19:31.12 | greycat | I am not in that channel, let alone an op there. |
| 19:31.19 | sillyslux | lol i know |
| 19:31.21 | greycat | I got him in #bash and #debian |
| 19:31.26 | ngc0202 | ah, you're right. that's good to know |
| 19:31.49 | ngc0202 | unfortunately it'll just be noise to me that i'll ignore since i won't know when the version after the one I want to forbid is released |
| 19:32.07 | greycat | yes, there is that disadvantage |
| 19:32.54 | jhutchins | There is an announce mailing list. |
| 19:33.27 | ngc0202 | still here btw |
| 19:33.58 | ngc0202 | fwiw the package is libfreetype6 |
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| 19:40.01 | pacha | hi everyone |
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| 19:40.42 | pacha | so I have 2 repos with the same package, how do I select the repository I want to fetch my package from? |
| 19:41.00 | greycat | I'm already terrified. |
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| 19:41.31 | JPT | Maybe remove the other repository that you don't need |
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| 19:41.58 | jelly | pacha: same package and same version? |
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| 19:42.15 | pacha | jelly: yes, same package and same version, different repository |
| 19:42.28 | jelly | pacha: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy packagename" |
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| 19:42.41 | greycat | smells ubuntu PPAs |
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| 19:43.04 | ngc0202 | got it done with pinning :) |
| 19:43.07 | jelly | the only way to prefer one is via pinning, but in general those packages ought to be identical so a user should not care |
| 19:43.08 | pacha | greycat: official debian and deb-multimedia |
| 19:43.19 | ngc0202 | looked at the docs and saw Pin-Priority: -1 |
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| 19:43.39 | pacha | jelly:: http://ix.io/Cpz and http://ix.io/CpA |
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| 19:44.47 | wonderer | hi all |
| 19:44.58 | wonderer | am doing some testion on debian 6 |
| 19:45.16 | wonderer | wondering if there is a valid source to download backports and updates from |
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| 19:45.29 | greycat | There are no updates for squeeze. It is dead and archived. |
| 19:45.31 | wonderer | i know deb 6 is EOL |
| 19:45.40 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:45.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:45.51 | jelly | pacha: you can see from "apt-cache policy mpv" output the versions are not the same. |
| 19:45.56 | wonderer | hmm |
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| 19:46.41 | jhutchins | pacha: I think the instructions on the dmm website explain that. |
| 19:46.58 | wonderer | i did try these but get 404 |
| 19:47.03 | wonderer | thx greycat |
| 19:47.07 | wonderer | will give that a try |
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| 19:49.25 | wonderer | that worked, i think? |
| 19:49.26 | wonderer | Fetched 8,761 kB in 3s (2,436 kB/s) |
| 19:49.26 | wonderer | Current status: 93 updates [+93], 27745 new [+27744]. |
| 19:50.02 | wonderer | doing apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:50.52 | jelly | pacha: do you want to go back to debian's build of mpv, and keep using that one, or? |
| 19:50.55 | greycat | that should bring you "up to date" with the end of squeeze's LTS coverage |
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| 19:51.50 | jelly | jhutchins: hm, where do you see pinning instructions on deb-multimedia.org? |
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| 19:54.33 | wonderer | apt-get upgrade - (debian 6) got sutck with postgresql-8.4 |
| 19:54.41 | wonderer | will apt-get remove postgresql-8.4 |
| 19:54.46 | wonderer | do the job? |
| 19:55.00 | jelly | what do you mean by "got stuck" |
| 19:55.12 | jelly | !bat |
| 19:55.12 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:58.05 | wonderer | well i got a long winded message on postgress and upgrading to 9.xxx |
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| 19:58.23 | wonderer | and upgrade just didnt go anywhere |
| 19:58.41 | RoyK | wonderer: just dump all databases first |
| 19:58.53 | wonderer | wget (1.12-2.1+deb6u1) squeeze-lts; urgency=high |
| 19:58.54 | RoyK | just in case |
| 19:58.59 | wonderer | this is first line |
| 19:58.59 | jelly | wonderer: can you show that message, and the whole output really, and the stuff in steps 2. and 3. as well? |
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| 19:59.13 | jelly | put it all in one pastebin entry |
| 19:59.14 | wonderer | ok i will do a pastebin, thx |
| 19:59.43 | jelly | ,v postgresql |
| 19:59.44 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy6; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; stretch-proposed-updates: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; buster: 10+188; sid: |
| 19:59.45 | judd | 10+188 |
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| 20:01.42 | wonderer | https://pastebin.com/8iKebiEv |
| 20:01.44 | jelly | wonderer: you should not have gotten any upgrade to any Pg 9.x with just the squeeze sources in place |
| 20:02.00 | wonderer | i really not sure |
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| 20:02.10 | wonderer | hopefully pastebin helps |
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| 20:02.43 | jelly | wonderer: that's just your upgrade command, and it does not look like complete output. |
| 20:03.15 | wonderer | thats all i can c/p |
| 20:03.30 | wonderer | as you can see further down i get NEXT PAGE |
| 20:03.34 | jelly | wonderer: those are NEWS.Debian changes shown by apt-listchanges. You're inside "less" command, press q to quit it |
| 20:03.48 | wonderer | oic |
| 20:04.06 | wonderer | well i didnt press anything for it to go into the NEWS.Debian change file |
| 20:04.18 | jelly | no you didn't |
| 20:04.27 | wonderer | aha |
| 20:04.30 | wonderer | q |
| 20:04.36 | jelly | you have apt-listchanges installed, this is default behaviour |
| 20:04.38 | wonderer | no proceeded |
| 20:04.45 | wonderer | now* |
| 20:05.14 | jelly | after that, apt-listchanges might show you more complete changelogs, or it might just ask you whether you want to continue or not, or apt might continue automatically, depending on how exactly apt-listchanges was set up |
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| 20:05.26 | wonderer | ok services been restarted ...and upgrade going ahead |
| 20:05.31 | wonderer | thx jelly |
| 20:05.36 | wonderer | btw nice nick |
| 20:05.54 | jelly | wonderer: the idea is to show you important changes so you're aware something might break, or something is completely outdated and unsupported |
| 20:06.12 | wonderer | deb 6 insatlle dfrom scratch |
| 20:06.24 | jelly | and then you, the admin, can make a more informed choice whether you want to continue with such an upgrade |
| 20:06.28 | wonderer | today so not a biggie |
| 20:06.47 | jelly | (why would you install debian 6 in 2017) |
| 20:07.16 | wonderer | am just trying to get this deb 6 vm up and running then use a simulator dev env of a live server |
| 20:07.45 | wonderer | like to get letsencrypt certbot installed and not working on live server hence this dev one |
| 20:07.58 | wonderer | and yes i know...its deb 6 :/ |
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| 20:08.09 | wonderer | i know.. out of my control for now |
| 20:09.26 | teraflops | wonderer: youre not the only one |
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| 20:10.19 | jelly | wonderer: isn't certbot python? get dehydrated instead, it's basically a bash script and the version from jessie-backports actually works on squeeze. Don't ask how I know. |
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| 20:10.33 | teraflops | xD |
| 20:10.52 | greycat | ,v dehydrated |
| 20:10.53 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.3.1-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.3.1-3; stretch-backports: 0.4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.4.0-2; sid: 0.4.0-2 |
| 20:10.57 | wonderer | yea python seemed to be problem why certbot wasnt working on live deb6 |
| 20:11.10 | wonderer | hence my testing on this dev box |
| 20:11.18 | DammitJim | I would like to set up cron jobs on different servers to rsync directories to one "archive" server |
| 20:11.29 | wonderer | hmm |
| 20:11.36 | wonderer | am not sure what you mean |
| 20:11.39 | DammitJim | how should I handle the ssh keys? I should probably have each server generate a key and ssh-copy-id to the archive server, right? |
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| 20:12.02 | DammitJim | or should I generate 1 key that I distribute to all servers so that they can use it for rsync'ing? |
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| 20:12.16 | greycat | DammitJim: either way is fine, really |
| 20:12.32 | DammitJim | thanks greycat |
| 20:12.37 | wonderer | so get around the python issue by installing dehydrated? |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | For me, it would depend on whether each server is politically separated from the others, or whether they are all together. |
| 20:13.00 | DammitJim | they are all the same moooosh |
| 20:13.05 | jelly | wonderer: you get around one LE client being unusable by using a different one that works |
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| 20:13.19 | wonderer | right |
| 20:13.48 | wonderer | but i heard in other channels that they have got cetbot working on deb6 |
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| 20:14.02 | wonderer | just a case of getting another instance of python istalled |
| 20:14.12 | teraflops | at last resort you can generate certs elsewhere and automate the deployment |
| 20:14.28 | DammitJim | teraflops, is that for me? |
| 20:14.33 | teraflops | for wonderer |
| 20:14.36 | DammitJim | blah |
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| 20:15.07 | teraflops | DammitJim: but as greycat said youre ok doing what you asked |
| 20:15.32 | wonderer | teraflops i know, but i rather use LE's certbot to automate my certs rather than use openssl and having to purchase cets from CA's |
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| 20:15.45 | jelly | wonderer: because installing a whole new python is so much simpler than downloading and installing http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dehydrated/dehydrated_0.3.1-3~bpo8+1_all.deb ? |
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| 20:16.30 | wonderer | uuu i found this url |
| 20:16.35 | wonderer | can i post the url? |
| 20:16.35 | teraflops | yeah but you can use certbot on a sane python friendly machine and then deploy to target servers by a gazillion ways |
| 20:16.57 | wonderer | i never heard of it jelly |
| 20:16.57 | teraflops | from shared folder to rscyn ansible puppet or whatever |
| 20:17.11 | wonderer | ok will give it a shot |
| 20:17.12 | jelly | it used to be called something else. |
| 20:17.12 | wonderer | thanks |
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| 20:18.11 | wonderer | ack |
| 20:18.19 | wonderer | it required curl |
| 20:18.27 | jelly | wonderer: btw. don't download that deb manually. Use a debian 8 machine, add jessie-backports repo, and "apt-get -t jessie-backports download dehydrated" |
| 20:18.49 | wonderer | and i cant seem to install curl in first place with so many dependacies it required |
| 20:18.53 | greycat | but he has a debian 6 machine, not a debian 8 machine |
| 20:19.04 | wonderer | will try ap on curl now that upgrade worked! |
| 20:19.06 | greycat | how the hell can you not install CURL? |
| 20:19.22 | wonderer | i dont understand |
| 20:19.27 | jelly | greycat: he's in process of provisioning a new deb 6 machine |
| 20:19.29 | wonderer | why use deb8? |
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| 20:19.39 | jelly | just to verify the download |
| 20:19.49 | greycat | he was building a debian 6 test machine to match his debian 6 production server |
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| 20:20.16 | wonderer | like greycat says :) |
| 20:20.49 | jelly | a deb8 or deb9 machine is used just to download one package. |
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| 20:21.01 | greycat | that sounds absolutely ludicrous |
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| 20:21.31 | wonderer | ok worked!!! |
| 20:21.36 | jelly | it's less ludicrous than adding jessie-backports to squeeze and having to deal with debian-archive-keyring |
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| 20:22.05 | jelly | and usually a debian admin has newer debian installations just lying around anyway |
| 20:22.11 | wonderer | Setting up libssh2-1 (1.2.6-1+deb6u2) ... // Setting up libcurl3 (7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12) ... // Setting up curl (7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12) ... // Setting up dehydrated (0.3.1-3~bpo8+1) ... |
| 20:22.19 | jelly | right |
| 20:22.25 | teraflops | lovely :P |
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| 20:22.32 | wonderer | curl works fine now |
| 20:22.45 | wonderer | thx guys & girls |
| 20:23.01 | wonderer | now to read up on dehydrated |
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| 20:23.45 | jelly | you'll need some configuration, a directory visible in all the relevant VirtualHosts under /.well-known/acme-challenge |
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| 20:24.41 | DammitJim | what is the backup user for in debian? |
| 20:24.52 | DammitJim | meaning, can I use that account to create cron jobs for backups? |
| 20:24.56 | DammitJim | or should I leave it alone? |
| 20:25.04 | wonderer | can i post the url am using? |
| 20:25.25 | wonderer | to setup dehydrated |
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| 20:25.43 | wonderer | not sur eif bot kicks for this |
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| 20:25.48 | greycat | googles "letsencrypt dehydrated howto" after the man page turns out to be spartan |
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| 20:25.53 | annadane | DammitJim, i don't think there is a backup user unless you add one using adduser |
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| 20:26.30 | wonderer | am using the 4th link greycat :d |
| 20:26.34 | annadane | you have the root account and then one default user |
| 20:26.34 | wonderer | from google results |
| 20:26.38 | greycat | google results differ for each person |
| 20:26.45 | wonderer | true true |
| 20:26.52 | jelly | wonderer: you could read /usr/share/doc/dehydrated/README.Debian for a start |
| 20:27.02 | wonderer | aaflalo(dot)me |
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| 20:27.52 | greycat | wonderer: you will not be kicked for pasting a URL |
| 20:28.06 | greycat | and for me, https://www.aaflalo.me/2016/09/dehydrated-bash-client-lets-encrypt/ was the FIRST google result |
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| 20:28.38 | mutante | i am using "terminator" as terminal and from there i ssh to a remote computer and join a screen session where irssi runs, if i then click on any http(s) URLs showing up on IRC it opens a local browser. Where do i configure which browser is the default for that? I have more than one and want the other one |
| 20:29.38 | annadane | DammitJim, and essentially you can probably just use your regular user (aka not root) for cron stuff |
| 20:29.46 | annadane | unless you need root, don't use it |
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| 20:30.25 | n4dir | mutante: you can set the default browser with update-alternatives, but i doubt this is outstanding fine-grained. |
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| 20:31.03 | annadane | though i guess a few cron things do require root but the principle still holds in general |
| 20:31.05 | zbert | bloody roots (= |
| 20:31.11 | annadane | it'll tell you if it doesn't work anyway |
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| 20:31.20 | DammitJim | annadane, you know how it is with servers... they are all different |
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| 20:32.06 | DammitJim | and there isn't necessarily a user... I mean, I have my own credentials, but when you are on a team, that's not a good idea... so I was trying to figure out a standard user for this work |
| 20:32.37 | mutante | n4dir: thank you, i'll try it |
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| 20:33.01 | wonderer | thx greycat & co... will be afk now config dehydrated |
| 20:33.02 | jelly | wonderer: http://paste.debian.net/997126/ |
| 20:33.43 | jelly | (I'm using debian package's /var/lib/dehydrated instead of upstream's suggestion of /var/www/dehydrated) |
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| 20:34.03 | wonderer | jelly i did read it but ur pastben looks more complete |
| 20:34.03 | wonderer | brb |
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| 20:35.33 | n4dir | when i start mocp, i get a message/warning about possible stuttering audio. It tells me to set ALSAStutterDefeat in the configuration file, but not in which configuration file |
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| 20:38.17 | mutante | n4dir: the odd part now.. update-alternatives --get-selections | grep browser etc gets me firefox for both x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser and chromium doesn't show up anywhere.. YET .. clicking on links in terminator consistenly opens chromium. heh |
| 20:38.41 | jelly | wonderer: after you get it working once, set up a cron job to do eg. weekly refresh (same -c option), and reload of apache |
| 20:38.43 | wonderer | jelly really dont follow your pastebin |
| 20:38.46 | wonderer | sorry |
| 20:39.09 | wonderer | am @ root@debian6:/etc/dehydrated/conf.d |
| 20:39.20 | jelly | cd .. |
| 20:39.27 | wonderer | was goignto create a config file |
| 20:39.45 | wonderer | and copy/paste config from https://www.aaflalo.me/2016/09/dehydrated-bash-client-lets-encrypt/ site |
| 20:39.48 | wonderer | ok |
| 20:39.51 | jelly | go one dir back, and it's already there |
| 20:39.59 | n4dir | mutante: i won't be able to help much more. I know that that possibility exists in debian, but can't tell how ssh might get in the way. Or what to do if something goes south in general. Good luck :-) |
| 20:39.59 | wonderer | done |
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| 20:40.16 | wonderer | yea i saw it earlier |
| 20:40.31 | wonderer | but small config like your pastbein |
| 20:40.55 | mutante | n4dir: thanks anyways :) |
| 20:41.15 | CrtxReavr | 3222 |
| 20:41.19 | CrtxReavr | whoops |
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| 20:44.12 | edju | Anyone install Firefox 57 in Jessie? If so, what source? |
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| 20:45.08 | greycat | why on earth would you put a bleeding edge browser on an oldstable desktop machine |
| 20:45.41 | annadane | edju, you can just download the tar from mozilla's website without need to mess around with .deb files |
| 20:46.04 | mutante | edju: how about first upgrading that to stretch |
| 20:46.20 | annadane | mutante, jessie is still supported for a while, and also, 57 isn't available in stretch as a .deb |
| 20:46.43 | greycat | 57 isn't even available in *testing* as a .deb yet |
| 20:46.58 | mutante | fair enough, but it's about moving in the right direction i guess |
| 20:47.20 | jelly | it's not a "bleeding edge" browser, it's what Mozilla considers production release for normal users |
| 20:47.21 | annadane | well as i said, jessie's still supported and if someone is on jessie there's presumably a reason why they haven't upgraded |
| 20:47.28 | annadane | i would understand if they were still on, say, squeeze |
| 20:47.54 | jelly | I've only upgraded my workworkstation from jessie last week |
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| 20:48.05 | annadane | yeah "bleeding edge" is nightly |
| 20:48.07 | mutante | oldstable on desktop feels like "2 releases ago" because i consider testing normal for desktop (and stable for servers), but you are right |
| 20:48.34 | annadane | yeah i mean, i run sid because i want the newest stuff but i would never suggest to anyone to unnecessarily upgrade |
| 20:48.56 | jelly | especially if it does not directly address their issue |
| 20:49.01 | annadane | precisely |
| 20:49.09 | n4dir | i mainly ran sid for the lulz, hoping for it to crash. versions? i coulnd't care less |
| 20:49.21 | annadane | well, that's also legitimate :P |
| 20:50.11 | n4dir | everyone told me horror stories about sid. I thought: that sounds like fun. Created a test-partition. In the end i had to backup 1 or 2 times in ~10 years. |
| 20:50.17 | greycat | "Configuration files in the conf.d directory need to have a file name ending with '.sh'." :-( |
| 20:50.37 | n4dir | but as i don't care for versions anyway, these days i use stable (as long i am using debian, duh) |
| 20:50.41 | jelly | it's like run-parts, only different |
| 20:51.22 | greycat | "detail": "Provided agreement URL [https://letsencrypt.org/documents/LE-SA-v1.1.1-August-1-2016.pdf] does not match current agreement URL [https://letsencrypt.org/documents/LE-SA-v1.2-November-15-2017.pdf]", |
| 20:52.06 | jelly | pray they do not alter it further? |
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| 20:53.14 | greycat | so... uh... reading /usr/bin/dehydrated ... does this mean I have to override the LICENSE variable with the new pdf url? what am I supposed to do with a pdf url anyway? |
| 20:54.30 | greycat | it's not going to try to open a graphical web browser or PDF client, is it? |
| 20:54.54 | jelly | no idea what you're seeing; "dehydrated -c" still wfm |
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| 20:55.46 | greycat | I pasted the most interesting bit of the error, but the rest is gone from my screen as I'm currently editing /etc/dehydrated/conf.d/local.sh |
| 20:56.01 | jelly | my /etc/dehydrated/conf.d/ is empty |
| 20:56.02 | greycat | it was all "400" and "error" and so on |
| 20:56.17 | annadane | Just Add Water!(tm) |
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| 20:56.50 | jelly | the old crappy systems this is used on can live with unconditional restarts of services every two weeks |
| 20:57.59 | n4dir | oh? acme client? like in plan9? sounds like fun stuff (but sure beyond me, i couldn't make any sense of it) |
| 20:58.17 | greycat | OK, it got farther after putting LICENSE=... in the conf.d/local.sh file. |
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| 21:02.44 | SuperTramp83 | edju: there is no need to 'install' anything. Download the archive, verify it, extract it, run the executable. Or, if you don't trust their archive but you do not trust their source, compile. |
| 21:03.12 | greycat | So, why didn't dehydrated put any files in /var/lib/dehydrated/acme-challenges/ ? |
| 21:03.35 | SuperTramp83 | err, 'but you DO trust their source'.. |
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| 21:04.23 | jelly | greycat: those are transient, once a challenge-response cycle is complete, they're wiped |
| 21:04.37 | greycat | That makes it super hard to figure out what broke. |
| 21:05.00 | greycat | dehydrated says that acme got a 404 Not Found, which is confirmed in the nginx log |
| 21:05.47 | jelly | and nginx tells you it tried to access the right file path? |
| 21:05.47 | greycat | tries putting a file there to see if it gets served up properly |
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| 21:09.00 | jelly | (mind the plural: /v/l/d/acme-challenges/ but the URL is /.well-known/acme-challenge/ because... yeah.) |
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| 21:13.25 | greycat | OK, fundamental error in the upstream web page documentation: it says to use "alias /var/www/dehydrated;" but that should be "alias /var/lib/dehydrated/acme-challenges;" |
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| 21:15.14 | jelly | that path change is courtesy of debian policy, I mentioned it above |
| 21:15.35 | wonderer | nn all |
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| 21:15.57 | Alibaba | Hello, when I try to launch my server, I encountered a problem with libssl1.0.0, cannot open a shared object library |
| 21:16.27 | Alibaba | However, I've installed openssl |
| 21:16.31 | Alibaba | Someone have an idea ? |
| 21:16.34 | Alibaba | please |
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| 21:16.49 | Alibaba | Moreover I've also installed libssl-dev |
| 21:16.59 | jelly | Alibaba: which debian release are you using, which piece of software complains, and where did you get that software from? |
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| 21:18.22 | sir_wombat | Hey there. I'm using the new Debian Stretch on a Thinkpad T410 (with a nvidia chip and the proprietary driver for it). I'm havin troubles with the brightness control: The Fn+.. Combos move the slider / I can move the brightness slider in the top right menu by hand, but neither of those actually changes the display brightness. This worked fine with Jessie. |
| 21:18.22 | sir_wombat | How do I investigate this? How do I investigate this? (Which components (should) work together to deliver brightness control?)(Which components (should) work together to deliver brightness control?) |
| 21:19.06 | Alibaba | jelly: I'm using Debian 8. I'm developping myself this software that need libssl |
| 21:19.17 | jelly | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 21:19.18 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u3; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u7; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1 |
| 21:19.59 | jelly | Alibaba: okay, then, can you pastebin the exact command line showing the problems, and its complete output? |
| 21:20.07 | jelly | !paste |
| 21:20.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:21.06 | bluj | hmm.. anyone know why updates to /etc/default/grub followed by update-grub (which i see changing my /boot/grub/grub.cfg) is not resulting in changes? basically i'm just adding another kernel arg to the linux line. but if i cat /proc/cmdline afterwards, no change? |
| 21:21.17 | jhutchins | Alibaba: You'll probably have to get it to tell you WHICH shared object library it can't open. |
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| 21:21.44 | jhutchins | bluj: Are you rebooting? |
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| 21:23.20 | bluj | jhutchins: haha, yes :-) |
| 21:23.59 | jelly | bluj: is this a VM? |
| 21:24.10 | Alibaba | This is the output : http://paste.debian.net/997134/ |
| 21:24.56 | jelly | Alibaba: where's the (whole) command line you ran |
| 21:25.05 | bluj | jelly: correct. interestingly, i was in /etc/default/grub a couple weeks ago because i had to chagne GRUB_DEFAULT, and afaik the same update steps worked correctly |
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| 21:26.33 | jelly | bluj: are you sure the /boot and /boot/grub/grub.cfg you're updating is the same /boot and /boot/grub/grub.cfg that grub uses at boot time? |
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| 21:27.11 | jelly | (ie. what if you have a separate /boot partition and filesystem that isn't mounted for some reason) |
| 21:27.17 | Alibaba | I think the root cause is that I run an execuatable compilated outside my Debian computer |
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| 21:27.30 | Alibaba | Indeed, I compiled the executable from Travis |
| 21:27.42 | Alibaba | I think it's because it's not compilated on the same machine |
| 21:27.55 | jelly | set up your CI environment to build things that actually work on debian 8? |
| 21:28.21 | bluj | jelly: right- i forget how i configured it at first install. an fdisk -l on my /dev/sda shows me only one other partition that could be eligible to hold boot.. but trying to mount it gives me wrong fs type (i forget what this is..) .. but clearly it isn't boot. so.. i think the one on the usual / root partition is the one :\ |
| 21:29.24 | annadane | sir_wombat, until you get it figured out installing redshift is a workaround |
| 21:29.33 | jelly | bluj: pastebin the output of "cat /proc/cmdline" and "uname -a" and "lsblk" and ("df" or "mount") |
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| 21:30.10 | jhutchins | I think a rather obvious move would be to look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see if your changes are there. |
| 21:30.30 | jelly | bluj: depending on your VM host, kernel command line may be provided from outside the VM guest |
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| 21:31.31 | jelly | jhutchins: > <bluj> hmm.. anyone know why updates to /etc/default/grub followed by update-grub (which i see changing my /boot/grub/grub.cfg) <---- |
| 21:31.52 | jelly | they did the obvious move. |
| 21:33.16 | jhutchins | So they did. Grasping at straws. |
| 21:33.29 | bluj | http://paste.debian.net/997137/ |
| 21:33.51 | bluj | it's the 'crashkernel=128M' i'm trying to add |
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| 21:35.18 | jelly | bluj: sadly sda2 is just a container for sda5, you don't have any other possible partitions, just / and swap |
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| 21:36.28 | bluj | hmph |
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| 21:37.19 | jelly | bluj: I have no idea what's going on there; do you have console access during grub menu time? |
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| 21:38.01 | bluj | jelly: kinda, this was all to try and get some debug info from a crashing kernel. i might just pursue another route.. |
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| 21:39.43 | jelly | for some reason or another I never got kdump to work on debian (and my attempts did not fail at cmdline) |
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| 22:00.15 | Alibaba | We've find the root cause |
| 22:00.22 | Alibaba | We haven't build the program on the machine |
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| 22:00.36 | Alibaba | Moreover, it was not Debian 8 but Debian 4.9, an old Debian |
| 22:00.46 | Alibaba | We need to use it for a Hackaton |
| 22:01.02 | greycat | !etch |
| 22:01.03 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 22:35.43 | mspo | OS-32655-PWK: :( |
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| 22:35.55 | teraflops | mspo: nah no sadfaces i think is a bot |
| 22:36.06 | teraflops | I see the same thing almost everyday |
| 22:36.10 | mspo | huh |
| 22:36.13 | mspo | <shrug> then |
| 22:36.16 | teraflops | from same OS-whatever nick |
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| 22:36.45 | mspo | teraflops: one time I followed a shell-shock attack to an irc server |
| 22:37.05 | mspo | teraflops: and all of the users were named "linux-$random" and "windows-random" etc |
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| 22:37.31 | mspo | I said "hello" and the controller responded "can I help you?" |
| 22:37.33 | mspo | it was interesting |
| 22:38.20 | teraflops | hmm |
| 22:39.25 | mspo | teraflops: saying it was a bot named OS-$random-$airport_code made me think of that story |
| 22:39.44 | mspo | PWK = chicago regional I think |
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| 22:42.20 | bo1999 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU3ac07e4DA |
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| 22:44.06 | annadane | quite frankly, if your password is 123456 |
| 22:44.10 | annadane | it doesn't matter |
| 22:44.14 | annadane | anyway, sorry for the off topic |
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| 22:46.57 | jelly | Alibaba: if you need to run new userspace on horribly old Linux, build it on EL5 and link statically (or at least link everything but glibc statically) |
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| 23:09.09 | syshape | When I try to paste using the mouse with 'sudo vim' or 'sudoedit', I can only paste some content that I did copy in the same instance of vim, not from other windows. Besides I can't paste normally with 'sudo nano' for example. Do you know what to do ? |
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| 23:12.22 | n4dir | copy from vim to vim ? why use the mouse for that? from other windows: did you try :insert ? |
| 23:12.47 | n4dir | seems to be a different problem anyway, as you say the problem exists for nano too |
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| 23:22.30 | astronavt | syshape: you're in X? |
| 23:22.38 | astronavt | the + register is the system clipboard |
| 23:23.10 | astronavt | "<register>p or "<register>y are paste and copy _from a register_ |
| 23:23.12 | astronavt | so "+p |
| 23:23.16 | astronavt | to paste from the system clipboard |
| 23:23.25 | astronavt | there's also the * register, "*p |
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| 23:25.03 | astronavt | yeah. "+ is the x11 clipboard, "* is the x11 primary selection |
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