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| 00:18.59 | sir_wombat | Hey, where do .desktop files go in Stretch? The ones in ~/.local/share/applications are not found by the Search. |
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| 00:21.01 | n4dir | i would try either "locate" or "find" to figure it out. |
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| 00:24.13 | LtL | sir_wombat: ~/.config/autostart |
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| 00:28.15 | sir_wombat | LtL: I don't want them to start when I login. |
| 00:28.39 | LtL | sir_wombat: i wasn't sure, sorry. can't say then. |
| 00:30.18 | sir_wombat | LtL: Ok, thanks anyway. |
| 00:30.36 | n4dir | sir_wombat: what do you want? |
| 00:30.37 | LtL | sir_wombat: ./.local/share/applications/ are the only other ones i 'find.' |
| 00:33.01 | sir_wombat | I want to be able to find the application when I use the Gnome search bar. |
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| 00:35.09 | n4dir | no clue about the gnome search bar, but doesn't it work like a command prompt and uses $PATH ? |
| 00:36.18 | do0m | usr share applications, usr local share applications and ~ .local share applications |
| 00:36.33 | do0m | .desktop files are picky, make sure u validate them |
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| 00:37.11 | do0m | i like to start with an existing one and just change what i need, like binary path, name, etc |
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| 00:37.44 | n4dir | i always assumed desktop files had something to do with menus |
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| 00:38.50 | do0m | man desktop-file-install |
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| 00:40.34 | sir_wombat | do0m: Yes, i tried ~ .local share applications with files that worked on Jessie. |
| 00:40.44 | sir_wombat | They don't work on Stretch. |
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| 02:06.47 | nnyby | i'm trying to compile an application that uses the /usr/include/login_cap.h header (from libutil-freebsd-dev), and I'm getting errors like this: /usr/include/login_cap.h:114:62: error: unknown type name ârlim_tâ; did you mean â__rlim_tâ |
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| 02:15.50 | ZitZ | nnyby: what's the application? |
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| 02:18.13 | nnyby | bsdmainutils |
| 02:18.24 | nnyby | here, i wrote this up in a stackoverflow question here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47492403/rlim-t-errors-with-login-cap-h-in-debian |
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| 02:47.21 | plasmoduck | howdy |
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| 03:23.49 | VentGrey | Hello I'm building a Debian package but when trying to upload it I get a gpg error, error 58: Invocation of gpgme_op_verify |
| 03:23.49 | VentGrey | Invocation of gpgme_op_verify: GPGME: No data no idea on what to do since on the internet there is nothing but an unanswered debian post and the gpg manpages do not explain this error :( |
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| 03:30.20 | themill | VentGrey: upload where? |
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| 03:30.41 | VentGrey | mentors debian using their method |
| 03:30.52 | VentGrey | I DID check my gpg keys to match |
| 03:31.11 | VentGrey | and lintian/dpkg are ok with the current signature |
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| 03:42.44 | u0_a202 | howdy |
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| 03:47.05 | VentGrey | still no luck with the error |
| 03:47.13 | VentGrey | maybe because GPGME is useless :C |
| 03:47.39 | themill | VentGrey: I'd suggest real commands and real output in a pastebin; asking in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would be a better plan too |
| 03:48.11 | themill | "no data" makes it sound like the package is not signed. |
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| 03:48.26 | u0_a202 | hi |
| 03:48.52 | VentGrey | Well, output doesn't help at all |
| 03:48.53 | VentGrey | http://paste.debian.net/997604/ |
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| 03:49.45 | themill | it does help because it also lets me check what exactly it is you're doing |
| 03:50.15 | themill | Is the .changes file actually signed? |
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| 03:52.32 | VentGrey | I suppose so |
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| 03:54.24 | VentGrey | Aha! |
| 03:54.48 | VentGrey | I played with the gpg tools a little and re-validated the signature |
| 03:55.48 | annadane | protip: never say output doesn't help |
| 03:56.19 | VentGrey | It did not :( |
| 03:56.28 | VentGrey | I think i DID overkill |
| 03:56.37 | VentGrey | because i blew the entire .gnupg folder |
| 03:57.04 | VentGrey | restored it from backup and restarted seahorse |
| 03:57.21 | VentGrey | and literally it re-asked for the signature password |
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| 07:52.56 | Arahael | I'd suggest <hunter2> ,that way it's over 8 characters. |
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| 09:17.07 | decci | Hi |
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| 09:24.46 | decci | I am running Debian 9.1 Stretch release. |
| 09:25.09 | decci | Is there openssl 1.1.0 package available? |
| 09:26.23 | likcoras | ,v openssl |
| 09:26.24 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u3; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u7; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; buster: 1.1.0g-2; sid: 1.1.0g-2 |
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| 09:26.43 | likcoras | decci: yup ^ |
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| 09:39.54 | decci | likcoras: can I use Ubuntu Xenial package for Debian |
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| 09:40.21 | likcoras | No idea, never tried. Why would you want to do that, though? |
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| 09:44.22 | rakor | Is there a file I can backup where I can see which leaf-packages are installed (the ones I installed by myself - not the dependencies). So I could take that file and give it to 'apt install' |
| 09:45.13 | jelly | decci, openssl 1.1 is default in debian 9, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:46.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell rakor about aptitude clone |
| 09:47.23 | jelly | rakor, however, note that some of the packages from initial installation are also marked as manually installed |
| 09:48.05 | p0g0 | jelly: would dpkg -l '*leaf*' show all the installed leaf packages? |
| 09:48.14 | p0g0 | (for rakor) |
| 09:48.34 | jelly | that's not what they meant, no |
| 09:48.52 | p0g0 | 'k |
| 09:49.00 | decci | jelly: I am trying to install Dell OMSA package on Debian 9 but look like Dell doesnt provide it |
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| 09:49.37 | decci | I took Ubuntu Xenial package but it has old openssl 1.0.2 |
| 09:49.45 | decci | I need 1.1.0 version |
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| 09:50.48 | jelly | where does it "have old openssl 1.0.2" |
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| 09:54.17 | rakor | OK, I'll have a look at it. If the inital packages are passed to apt install again should not be a Problem I think, not? |
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| 10:02.47 | decci | Hi |
| 10:02.54 | Virgo | howdy |
| 10:03.28 | decci | I am following http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/openmanage/ to get Dell OMSA installed on Debian 9 Stretch |
| 10:04.14 | decci | As Dell only provides ubuntu packages as listed under the above link, I am able to get the right KEY it seems |
| 10:04.53 | decci | Till now I executed https://pastebin.com/3Vza3jL4 |
| 10:05.39 | decci | I am getting the following error while trying apt-get update https://pastebin.com/HGnDVtpY |
| 10:06.11 | decci | cat /etc/debian_version 9.1 |
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| 10:06.58 | decci | Is it failing because of GPG error: http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 |
| 10:07.58 | decci | While I tried apt install srvadmin-all, it threw error: https://pastebin.com/n7GCGNUu |
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| 10:19.03 | jelly | rakor: yeah, but they do make the list a lot longer |
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| 10:19.50 | rakor | Thats OK to me, as I'll use it for automatic installation from a backup after desaster |
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| 10:21.12 | jelly | I just backup everything, including the OS. |
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| 10:22.13 | rakor | I did this also times ago.. But it eats a lot of space and time. |
| 10:22.28 | rakor | and to be true it is unnecessary |
| 10:22.30 | p0g0 | rakor: NB: you may not get the exact versions re-installed with that method. If that matters. The cp or dd image backups don't have that issue. |
| 10:23.28 | rakor | Thats ok to me as I do updates regularly. If I have some "special"-Packages I have to handle them separately |
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| 10:25.34 | jelly | for me, it eats some space that is cheap, and is about 10% of total backup, and less time because I don't have to care about exceptions or complex restore procedures |
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| 10:26.10 | Virgo | dance dance dance senora |
| 10:26.53 | p0g0 | I'd also suggest really testing your recovery procedure... most don't. |
| 10:26.56 | jelly | the restore procedure is "reformat, luks-open and mount backup, and copy all the files" |
| 10:26.58 | rakor | What do you use for backups? |
| 10:27.25 | jelly | (and reinstall grub, fix fstab, crypttab) |
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| 10:28.45 | jelly | different tools for different places; at home, dirvish |
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| 11:03.28 | leon | hello |
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| 11:04.33 | nik | ciao |
| 11:04.35 | leon001 | +++ciao |
| 11:04.40 | nik | !list |
| 11:04.40 | dpkg | nik: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:05.14 | no_gravity | Good Morning. How would you guys go about setting up palm detection so typing will not be disturbed when the palms touch the trackpad? |
| 11:06.01 | leon001 | Ho dei problemi con debian 9, qualcuno puo aiutarmi?? devo riuscire a cambiare la keymap |
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| 11:06.09 | jelly | !keymap |
| 11:06.09 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 11:06.24 | jelly | also, |
| 11:06.26 | jelly | !it |
| 11:06.26 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:06.28 | leon001 | provo |
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| 11:10.13 | leon001 | WTF kind of keyboard i have?? Lol |
| 11:10.39 | jelly | pc105 if you don't know |
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| 11:11.55 | jelly | leon001: Generic 105-key (Intl) PC |
| 11:12.08 | jelly | (I'm assuming 105 and not 104, for Italy) |
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| 11:13.58 | rakor | Huh... I have a default installation (with Gnome3). I have wifi installed and configured. If I plug in ethernet it connects to both (ethernet and wlan). Why that? Normally I know that plugging in ethernet disconnets wifi |
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| 11:20.38 | leon001 | i have made 105 but many symbol are mismatched |
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| 11:25.07 | leon001 | mo le provo tutte.. XD |
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| 11:25.53 | glaive | how to install debian with barely any extra software? |
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| 11:26.49 | themill | glaive: you just don't ask the installer to install anything |
| 11:27.05 | glaive | themill: ok |
| 11:27.13 | glaive | how to secure gentoo? |
| 11:27.15 | themill | (you can do less than that but it's not worth it) |
| 11:27.29 | glaive | how to secure *debian |
| 11:27.32 | glaive | *ahem |
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| 11:29.11 | cooldude | anyone know how to fix Plugin 'unix_socket' is not loaded for mysql on debian 9? |
| 11:29.59 | jelly | leon001: matching the physical layout is less important than to have each key emit the right symbol / key |
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| 11:32.44 | jelly | glaive: that's a very vague question, and there's a spectrum of options depending on what software you plan to run, what public services you intend to offer, how much you prefer blocking potentiially suspicious activity that the expense of making it harder for your users to do work... |
| 11:32.47 | leon001 | i cannot find the right one.. :/ |
| 11:33.19 | jelly | s/that the/at the/ |
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| 11:45.04 | cooldude | nvm guys, apparently https://askubuntu.com/questions/789853/unable-to-install-or-remove-mysql/789856 worked for me |
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| 11:47.29 | gho | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.44 | gho | or rather the server isc-dhcp-server doesnt record the hostname in the leases fie |
| 11:47.45 | gho | file |
| 11:47.57 | glaive | how up to date is debian? |
| 11:48.02 | gho | stretch |
| 11:48.16 | glaive | gho: not the version |
| 11:48.25 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 11:48.25 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 11:48.30 | gho | most recent apt update |
| 11:48.40 | jelly | glaive: if you're talking about security issues, ^ |
| 11:48.46 | glaive | I wanted to ask if there was lets say a security vulnerability or something, how long in hours would it take for debian to be up to date |
| 11:48.51 | glaive | jelly: yes |
| 11:48.57 | glaive | jelly: can you give me a rough estimate |
| 11:49.17 | jelly | glaive: no. pick a CVE and look it up, and compare to other distros |
| 11:50.49 | glaive | jelly: how do I know when a cve was updated? |
| 11:50.53 | glaive | jelly: or how long it was? |
| 11:51.00 | glaive | jelly: doesn't say when I select a cve |
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| 11:52.23 | jelly | hmm, you ought to be able to click and see when a DSA went out |
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| 11:53.00 | glaive | jelly: it just says which release it was fixed in |
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| 11:53.14 | glaive | jelly: does that mean security vulnerabilities are fixed every release?!?! |
| 11:53.21 | glaive | jelly: that's like 6 months? |
| 11:54.14 | swen32 | Is it safe to create a LUKS container over sshfs when the hosting is not trustworthy ? or should I first create the container and only open it over sshfs |
| 11:54.25 | jelly | glaive: which CVE number are you looking at? |
| 11:54.49 | swen32 | *storage hosting is not trustworthy , the VPS running sshfs is |
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| 11:55.39 | jelly | swen32: did you check whether luks on top of sshfs worked _at all_? |
| 11:55.57 | swen32 | no , I didn't expect an issue |
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| 11:56.48 | jelly | swen32: I strongly suggest adjusting your expectations for fuse-based fs reliability, and sshfs is fuse-based |
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| 11:58.05 | glaive | jelly: cve-11339 |
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| 11:58.14 | swen32 | jelly thanks |
| 11:58.23 | glaive | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-11339 |
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| 12:01.24 | swen32 | jelly, is there a better approach to the task (my local laptop need to backup very important files at a VPS that has a file storage I do not trust ? |
| 12:02.16 | jelly | glaive: right, so you can click on 868578 link to see more details of what the maintainer/security team think about it; the notes at the bottom suggest it's possibly not reproducible in versions in debian 9 (stretch) |
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| 12:03.34 | jelly | swen32: there are many backup solutions that assume storage system is untrusted; something like duplicity perhaps? |
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| 12:05.39 | swen32 | thanks |
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| 12:19.32 | fabbbbbbbbio | crazy linux users |
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| 12:21.58 | Brumbazz | Hi. A colleague of mine always tries make everybody around him use the same setups as he does. Use debian, use I3, use wim, mutt, don't use systemd, never use the mouse etc. I understand why he uses it, and that it is efficient, but I hate how he tries to force everybody to use it. So my question is, isn't it correct that unix/linux is also about using whatever software you like ? |
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| 12:23.16 | RoyK | Brumbazz: Brumbazz > Hi. A colleague of mine always tries make everybody around him use the same setups as he does. Use debian, use I3, use wim, mutt, don't use â········································· |
| 12:23.20 | RoyK | oops |
| 12:23.33 | RoyK | Brumbazz: https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | Brumbazz: use what you like. I'm not sure why this is even a discussion ... |
| 12:24.50 | Brumbazz | RoyK: hehe I see your point :b |
| 12:25.59 | dutchfish | Brumbazz, next time someone tries to inforce you, to use some piece of software, explain them that GNU/Linux is all about freedom of choice. |
| 12:26.48 | Brumbazz | dutchfish: ahhh that was actually kinda what I was looking for - freedom of choise, yes! |
| 12:27.33 | dutchfish | Brumbazz, granted, some FOSS software works better then others, but still YOU decide what to use. |
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| 12:28.28 | Brumbazz | abrotman: of course, but I can't really argue with him because vim is more efficient than nano, I just like nano to edit files or atom/whatever IDE for writing code... |
| 12:28.52 | Brumbazz | dutchfish: yeah, I see :> |
| 12:29.12 | dutchfish | Brumbazz, furhtermore, some diehard linux users are pretty particular on what to use. Mostly based on there own expirience. If you are brand new to Linux, it might be benificial to listen to there tips. But in the end, you decide what to use and how to use it. Be sturbern! ;) |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | Brumbazz: Just say thank you and walk away |
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| 12:31.25 | Brumbazz | hehe yeeee :> Freedom of choice was really was I was looking for :b Next time he makes a comment of my editor I will throw that after him :b Thanks :> |
| 12:31.31 | dutchfish | Brumbazz, btw i use nano to, for more then a decade ;) |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: but you're a fish .. |
| 12:32.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, fish is a nice shell nobody seams to like ;) |
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| 12:43.07 | debian_Egg | hello |
| 12:43.34 | debian_Egg | is this channel even active |
| 12:43.46 | gho | no |
| 12:43.59 | gho | haven't seen anyone in months |
| 12:44.46 | debian_Egg | i have xfce on debian 9 i have some programs crushing after a few minutes of interacting with the gui what could be the issue? |
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| 12:45.50 | abrotman | The whole GUI or just some applications? |
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| 12:48.53 | debian_Egg | some applications and..well i had gns3 running on another distro worked flawless..but im having issues with my debian, could it be that i should have gnome instead? |
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| 12:53.27 | debian_Egg | great |
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| 12:54.45 | abrotman | You can try that |
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| 13:00.27 | jelly | ,v eclipse |
| 13:00.29 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; buster: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10; stretch: 3.8.1-10 |
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| 13:08.50 | kusfedora | is there a way to add tools like nmcli and so on with debian without installing a desktop environment? |
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| 13:09.13 | jelly | ,v nmcli |
| 13:09.14 | judd | No package named 'nmcli' was found in amd64. |
| 13:09.39 | jelly | ,v bin/nmcli |
| 13:09.41 | judd | No package named 'bin/nmcli' was found in amd64. |
| 13:09.46 | jelly | ,f bin/nmcli |
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| 13:09.50 | kusfedora | ah I am looking for the wrong thing? I just want to connect to wifi |
| 13:09.55 | jelly | ,file bin/nmcli |
| 13:09.59 | judd | Search for bin/nmcli in stretch/amd64: network-manager: usr/bin/nmcli |
| 13:10.14 | jelly | presumably you need to install the network-manager package |
| 13:10.30 | kusfedora | but I can't because I don't have wifi yet |
| 13:10.52 | jelly | and you don't have wired ethernet access either? |
| 13:11.05 | kusfedora | not on this chromebook :,( |
| 13:11.19 | jelly | then you're going to have a hard time installing anything! |
| 13:11.20 | RoyK | kusfedora: just setup wifi the manual way |
| 13:11.30 | kusfedora | RoyK, how do? |
| 13:11.31 | RoyK | !wifi |
| 13:11.31 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 13:11.48 | jelly | kusfedora: did you at least install using the firmware images to avoid that one step? |
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| 13:12.53 | kusfedora | ah I should have |
| 13:13.02 | kusfedora | but I have Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) (in FISH models) so I think I don't need it? |
| 13:13.05 | yomm | hi where should i go for gdm3 support ? |
| 13:13.24 | yomm | it's just acting plain weird |
| 13:14.08 | jelly | kusfedora: possible, what's the pci id for that one |
| 13:14.34 | kusfedora | !wifi atheros |
| 13:14.37 | jelly | I guess you can configure wpa in /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 13:16.20 | jelly | kusfedora: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
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| 14:17.43 | romanceion3 | anyone active here? |
| 14:17.57 | gpunk | a little |
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| 14:18.42 | romanceion3 | hey gpunk |
| 14:18.51 | gpunk | yes? |
| 14:19.08 | romanceion3 | wassup? |
| 14:19.17 | romanceion3 | i am new here |
| 14:19.28 | romanceion3 | at what time is this place most active? |
| 14:19.41 | gpunk | notthing much , welcome |
| 14:19.50 | gpunk | no times really |
| 14:19.53 | gpunk | it s you and your luck |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | comes and goes |
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| 14:20.17 | romanceion3 | mabe someone should make a bot for that |
| 14:20.40 | romanceion3 | but then everyone waits for activity but never joins |
| 14:20.40 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:20.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:21.08 | cusco | there are stats regarding this irc channel available on the web. If you're new here perhaps you care to read: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines |
| 14:21.20 | romanceion3 | i have to go right now |
| 14:21.23 | jelly | Sundays are less busy than other days |
| 14:21.32 | romanceion3 | but thanks i will be back |
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| 14:23.01 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 14:24.31 | cusco | btw I have a question: we have a mail server with 4 hdd's on raid 10 with ext4, but latelly IO performance is low |
| 14:24.50 | cusco | I've read on the web about disabling ext4 journal to increase performance |
| 14:25.24 | cusco | what could go wrong with it, or what should I look at, to increase IO performance? |
| 14:28.24 | teraflops | hehe |
| 14:29.23 | teraflops | cusco: I dont think disabling journal is a good idea |
| 14:29.47 | cusco | OK, I was also skeptical about that |
| 14:30.08 | cusco | but i'm not sure how to perform better.. |
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| 14:32.36 | teraflops | cusco: go find out if high IO is because a program or it is because your hw cannot perform better |
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| 14:34.55 | mum0l | Hi guys! quick question.. I've a simple script which is executing a new shell. https://pastebin.com/raw/d34ucctj - sadly output of the funciton is saved into file, as I dont know how to put it into variable - anybody can help? |
| 14:35.08 | teraflops | I mean maybe a program/process is doing IO hard because a bug or miss-configuration, then I think it's fixable |
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| 15:17.34 | leon001 | i have tried to fix my problem but everything but it doesn't change.. some helps?? |
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| 15:18.15 | XanderZ | hello everyone |
| 15:18.30 | leon001 | hi Xander] |
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| 15:19.15 | XanderZ | I'm having some trouble compiling a package on Linux Mint and I'm getting this error: Fatal error: stdint.h: No such file or directory |
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| 15:19.55 | XanderZ | the file actually exists in there, and I can open and view it |
| 15:20.11 | XanderZ | this is the path: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/include/stdint.h:9:26: |
| 15:21.14 | XanderZ | also, line 9 of stdint.h there is: # include_next <stdint.h> |
| 15:22.39 | XanderZ | does anyone have any clue of why it throws this error? |
| 15:23.13 | XanderZ | running dpkg -S stdint.h outputs: https://pastebin.com/sAqH4CwW |
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| 15:52.06 | xz | hey, I'm using linode VPS with 1 CPU on debian 9. My python HTTP crawler uses 85-95% CPU, it uses python threading library and spawns multiple threads to fetch data faster. I found a company called scaleway, they have VPS boxes with 4 dedicated ARM cores for EUR2.99/month. Do you have experience with running debian on ARM? |
| 15:52.33 | xz | I'm trying to assess if 4 ARM cores will cope better with the same application than 1 XEON core (linode) |
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| 15:54.24 | luneff | xz, you have threading problems when your CPU is low. if it is 95%, yes, the CPU is the limiting factor, but it would work much faster than the ARM option. Well, because a Xeon is faster than ARM :-) |
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| 15:55.51 | xz | luneff: 1XEON is faster than 4ARMs? |
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| 15:56.46 | luneff | xz, most likely, yes, Maybe, your VPS provider limits the performance somehow, but Xeon is always a monster |
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| 15:57.21 | xz | luneff: you said 'you hae threading problems when your CPU is low', what do you mean? |
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| 15:59.30 | luneff | xz, maybe I did not think before saying that thorougly, but basically there are 2 kinds of performance problems (3, if we are on a network). CPU, IO (and the bandwidth). If CPU is low, then, probably IO is slow. If CPU is high, then IO is working fine. And it is probably the algorithm that should be optimized so the whole task is easier to calculate |
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| 16:01.13 | xz | luneff: I actually already have 2 versions of *the algoirighm* - asynchronous (using python twisted + treq) and threaded (using python threading + requests) and threaded model is slightly faster |
| 16:01.30 | xz | luneff: but overall they both hammer CPU in 70-90% range |
| 16:01.37 | jhutchins | !mint |
| 16:01.37 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 16:35.37 | tacticalrepair | hi al |
| 16:35.40 | tacticalrepair | all* |
| 16:35.55 | tacticalrepair | i'm facing a grub/dm-crypt issue here |
| 16:36.18 | tacticalrepair | I (re)installed a debian yesterday |
| 16:36.27 | tacticalrepair | broke my dualboot debian/windows |
| 16:36.38 | tacticalrepair | spend my day fixing the windows boot |
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| 16:37.06 | tacticalrepair | right now, my new grub is able to boot on the debian and on the windows |
| 16:37.16 | tacticalrepair | HOWEVER, the debian partition is a LUKS |
| 16:37.33 | tacticalrepair | and I'm not able to decrypt my disk when I try to boot on the debian |
| 16:37.45 | tacticalrepair | I'm using a Ubuntu Live usb right now |
| 16:39.07 | tacticalrepair | boot-repair won't fix the problem, I couldn't manage to get the dm-crypt work at boot |
| 16:39.12 | tacticalrepair | any advice here? |
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| 17:09.42 | nodiscc | Hi I am using live-build 1:20170213 on Debian stable to build a live Debian system; it works fine, except this I want to disable some services, I added a hook at https://github.com/nodiscc/dbu/blob/master/config/hooks/live/set-default-services-status.hook.chroot but when I test the live system these services are still enabled and running |
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| 17:09.48 | nodiscc | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:24.08 | LtL | nodiscc: i'm not sure this will help. disabling a service doesn't stop it, disable then issue a systemctl stop |
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| 17:25.40 | nodiscc | LtL: good point I havent tried stopping the service first. I don't see why it would change something but I will try |
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| 18:19.32 | Devastator | will debian switch to 4.14 on stretch or just on next release? |
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| 18:21.25 | mtn | Devastator: never on stretch, though maybe in backports |
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| 18:22.13 | Devastator | mtn was the kernel choice an error or debian team didn't know 4.14 was going to be LTS? |
| 18:22.31 | jelly | Devastator: 4.9 is a longterm release, it's way too eraly to say whether stretch will have to bump up at some point in the future, but historical data suggests it's not likely |
| 18:22.33 | mtn | Devastator: 14 didn't exist when strectch came out |
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| 18:23.25 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 18:23.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 18:23.28 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 18:24.19 | Devastator | jelly, mtn thanks |
| 18:24.50 | jhutchins | Devastator: When testing goes into freeze, they try to include a kernel that has been out long enough to have good testing when the freeze happens. There may be newer kernels out, but they don't want to just grab the latest in case there are problems with it. |
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| 18:25.52 | Devastator | jhutchins makes sense, I'm just asking because there were a lot of rumours saying debian made a mistake, but I trust debian team |
| 18:26.30 | jelly | where did you hear those rumors |
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| 18:29.01 | Devastator | jelly I can't find the website just now, but it said something like.. "debian is boxed in a corner as it thought 4.9 was going to be LTS and kernel team decided to make 4.14 LTS" |
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| 18:39.49 | jelly | Devastator: they're idiots, there are multiple support longterm kernels at a time |
| 18:39.58 | jelly | supported* |
| 18:40.29 | jelly | the whole point of choosing one is to keep using it for a longer while |
| 18:40.56 | jelly | Devastator: 4.9 is still longterm, that has not stopped being a thing |
| 18:41.21 | Devastator | jelly to be honest, the current state of kernel releases makes it hard to pick one.. |
| 18:41.33 | Devastator | they are releasing kernels every.. hour?! |
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| 18:41.48 | Cat-Away | hi, seeking some advice |
| 18:42.08 | Cat-Away | my root partition says its full, what i SHOULD do now? |
| 18:42.23 | petemc | free up some space |
| 18:42.25 | RoyK | well, remove some old crap? |
| 18:42.32 | well_laid_lawn | try emptying the package cache |
| 18:42.34 | RoyK | Cat-Away: du -shc /* |
| 18:42.36 | Cat-Away | how I do that? |
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| 18:42.59 | RoyK | apt-get clean |
| 18:43.20 | Cat-Away | hold on, i will do apt-get clean now |
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| 18:43.58 | Cat-Away | it did not do anything |
| 18:44.09 | RoyK | it probably did |
| 18:44.25 | RoyK | Cat-Away: but then, find out what's eating space |
| 18:44.34 | RoyK | Cat-Away: as mentioned above |
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| 18:45.04 | RoyK | Cat-Away: perhaps you need a bigger drive, eh? |
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| 18:45.51 | Cat-Away | RoyK, i just dont want interruption in my work |
| 18:46.03 | Cat-Away | can you help me to ensure root remain fine |
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| 18:46.37 | RoyK | Cat-Away: it won't interrupt anything |
| 18:47.06 | Cat-Away | RoyK, i still like to see some space, how I clean it? |
| 18:47.22 | RoyK | if you're nervous, run "nice ionice -c 3 du -shc /*" |
| 18:47.59 | RoyK | Cat-Away: you have to find out what's using space |
| 18:48.04 | RoyK | after that, cleanup |
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| 18:50.21 | Cat-Away | I am running it now RoyK its doing something] |
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| 19:02.05 | Cat-Away | RoyK, it has done something, what you want me to do now? |
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| 19:02.20 | petemc | read it |
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| 19:03.59 | hiya | I want to run a script on reboot |
| 19:04.05 | hiya | but it won't work |
| 19:04.08 | hiya | @reboot root /home/pie/iptables-ks.sh |
| 19:04.18 | hiya | Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 19:05.26 | Younix_ | I'm using a TV as a monitor for my minimal Debian install, and I can't seem to get the resolution right. |
| 19:05.49 | Younix_ | I can't see the majority of the text in the console on the left side. I've tried editing the grub configuration file, but I'm either not doing it right, or it's not working. |
| 19:05.52 | Younix_ | Any ideas? |
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| 19:07.10 | grimtuesday | Is there a way to reload .desktop files in kde? I have made a change to one, but it does not seem to have updated in application menus. |
| 19:07.44 | dob1 | hi, there is another pc that is trying to connect to my linux box but there is nothing listening on the port it is trying to connect, I would like to know to which port it is trying to connect. I tried tcpdump/tshark but I can't get this information |
| 19:08.08 | n4dir | grimtuesday: i just tried update-menus (but for me it failed, was on openbox though, which is a different beast) |
| 19:08.38 | grimtuesday | n4dir: I will try that to see if it works, shoud I just run from bash? |
| 19:09.07 | n4dir | from a terminal, yes (like said: i only think of it as i tried it yesterday. Else i got no clue, just shooting in the dark) |
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| 19:09.42 | RoyK | Cat-Away: did you try to check with du what really uses diskspace? |
| 19:09.52 | peterS | dob1: in general tcpdump will show it. sudo tcpdump -nUp host a.b.c.d - if tcpdump doesn't pick the correct interface (eth0, etc.), you can tell it with '-i ethX' |
| 19:10.22 | Cat-Away | RoyK, I just utlied that nice command and i can post you the log |
| 19:10.28 | Cat-Away | what is du? |
| 19:10.29 | RoyK | hiya: just use ufw |
| 19:10.40 | RoyK | man du |
| 19:10.48 | RoyK | !du |
| 19:10.49 | dpkg | i heard du is #del# |
| 19:10.52 | grimtuesday | n4dir: Sadly it does not seem to be a program to run on my system. Thenks for the suggestion though. I would just log out and then back in, but can't at this time due to monitor issues |
| 19:11.03 | Shmam | is "Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64" the most up to date kernel? |
| 19:11.07 | hiya | */1 * * * * /path/script.sh |
| 19:11.11 | hiya | correct? |
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| 19:11.23 | nodiscc | does anyone know how to close old RFPs I filed a long time ago on wnpp.debian.net ? |
| 19:11.30 | petemc | dob1: to add to what peterS said, you should find it in wireshark with the filter "tcp.flags.reset == 1" |
| 19:11.42 | n4dir | grimtuesday: with kde installed that sounds odd (well: to me). Next shot in the dark: the program "menu" might contain it (but kde should contain everything it needs) |
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| 19:12.03 | nodiscc | for example this one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664742 I have no interest in the software anymore and I don't think someone is going to package it |
| 19:12.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/664742 in wnpp (open): «RFP: photoshow -- A free Web Gallery for your server»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-03-20; last modified: 2015-12-27. |
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| 19:13.00 | nodiscc | there are more... |
| 19:13.01 | Shmam | How do I update my kernel/check if it's updated? |
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| 19:13.22 | grimtuesday | n4dir: I appear to also not have 'menu', it is probably some form of caching in the kde application search service. |
| 19:13.24 | peterS | nodiscc: it's a bug like any other so you can close it like any other. One way: email to 664742-done@bugs.debian.org. subject and contents of email don't matter much, it'll just be posted on the bug log |
| 19:14.15 | n4dir | grimtuesday: yeah, good luck (i neither know kde nor menus, i will stay silent now. Someone else should know, perhaps a bit later). |
| 19:14.40 | nodiscc | peterS: thank you, I will do that |
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| 19:16.08 | peterS | Shmam: linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 is the package name - the version is actually 4.9.51-1 as 'dpkg -l linux-image-\*' will show. It is the kernel available in Debian 9 'stretch'. There are newer kernels available in other places, but you do have the latest one in the stable distribution. |
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| 19:18.33 | Shmam | peterS: ok. So when I plug in my laptop, it goes into hibernate mode. From what I understand, this is a kernel issue? Where should I report this? |
| 19:19.47 | peterS | could be a kernel issue... or could be something in the acpi-support-base package |
| 19:21.02 | peterS | (or the acpi-support package for that matter) |
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| 19:21.53 | Shmam | how can I find out? |
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| 19:22.44 | peterS | Shmam: you might rule it out by just removing the acpi-support package (apt remove acpi-support) and seeing what happens |
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| 19:24.41 | Shmam | another weird thing with this: if I restart my laptop (fully reboot) then everything works fine. It's only after I've closed the lid and reopened (thus putting it in hibernate) that this power issue happens. |
| 19:24.55 | grimtuesday | n4dir: just in case someone trying to do the same thing as myself from irc logs, it appears kde does reload the .desktop files, I was just changing the wrong file, it appears to have duplicated to the usr/share/ directory instead of .local, where I originally should have created it. |
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| 19:28.16 | n4dir | in my experience debian does that pretty well, even for most window-managers. Which is a good thing, but makes you lack the according knowledge (well: can make). Glad you got it sorted (without logging out and in ...) |
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| 19:28.25 | dob1 | peterS, petemc I am not able to see this incoming connections. And with tshark I am not able to filter with tcp.flags.reset == 1 |
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| 19:31.23 | petemc | dob1: not able? tshark -r foo.pcap-Y "tcp.flags.reset == 1" doesnt work? |
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| 19:31.55 | petemc | gah, dodgy keyboard - tshark -r foo.pcap -Y "tcp.flags.reset == 1" |
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| 19:32.53 | petemc | or open wireshark and put tcp.flags.reset == 1 in the filter box |
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| 19:34.04 | Younix_ | Would there be anything preventing my network from starting when there's no keyboard/monitor present? |
| 19:34.26 | Younix_ | Sometimes when I reboot my server, I'm able to connect remotely, and sometimes it's like the network doesn't start. Any ideas? |
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| 19:36.26 | petemc | dob1: previous command works with already captured data, if you want to run it live replace -r foo.pcap with -i eth0 (or whatever interface you want to capture on) |
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| 19:38.11 | simbalion | Hi, I'm trying to compile something that requires Lua 5.1 or better, in Debian 9. I installed lua5.1 but it says "no package 'lua51' found" when I try to compile? (also no 5.1, lua-5.1, lua, and a few others) |
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| 19:39.13 | lipko | Younix_: not if it is based on intel ;D |
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| 19:39.58 | petemc | simbalion: you want the -dev package |
| 19:40.25 | simbalion | oh, derp... that didn't show up when I did tab completion for apt-get install lua |
| 19:41.02 | Younix_ | lipko: i think i found the problem. my wireless interface keeps changing from wlp3s0 to wlp4s0 -- so the network doesn't start. what's up with that, lol |
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| 19:44.22 | jean_ | Hi, I have an old Inpiron 6400 and I have installed a fresh debian on it. The wifi is not working. I have installed the firmware-linux-nonfree, but without success. Can you help me ? |
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| 19:44.46 | dob1 | petemc, thanks. But I think I have some problems elsewhere because I still don't see this connection requests. Maybe it's not like I thought |
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| 19:45.43 | jean_ | I'm currently using this PC, but on the ethernet connection... How can I check if the Wifi card is recognized ? |
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| 19:46.14 | peterS | jean_: 'ip link' will list all network interfaces the kernel knows about |
| 19:46.15 | simbalion | now it's complaining that it can't find luajit5.1 but libluajit-5.1-* is installed |
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| 19:47.48 | peterS | dob1: if you know the IP your client is using, I wouldn't bother with the tcp.flags.reset thing, just filter on that IP. like: tcpdump -nUp host a.b.c.d |
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| 19:48.24 | peterS | (the -nUp is not strictly necessary, I just almost always use those flags.) |
| 19:49.57 | petemc | if you have other stuff going (like an ssh connection) thats going to be very verbose |
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| 19:51.05 | Younix_ | this is ridiculous. how can firmware be loaded and internet working fine...and then all of a sudden not? without any changes |
| 19:51.29 | jean_ | peterS : ip link gives me for wifi : 3: wlp11s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 |
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| 19:52.06 | peterS | jean_: there you go then. See if it works: ifconfig wlp11s0 up; iwlist scan |
| 19:52.38 | jean_ | peterS : should I disconnect the ethernet cable before ? |
| 19:53.09 | peterS | jean_: the 'iwlist scan' just scans for wireless access points. It doesn't actually bring up a connection. so, no need. |
| 19:54.08 | jean_ | peterS : It says first : SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory |
| 19:54.19 | jean_ | peterS : then : wlp11s0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 19:55.26 | peterS | jean_: unfortunately iwlist won't bring an interface up on its own, hence the 'ifconfig wlp11s0 up' line. I probably should have said 'ip link set wlp11s0 up'. Does that command work? |
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| 19:55.59 | peterS | jean_: after ip link set wlp11s0 up, the ip link command should show the flags with UP in them, like <UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST> or similar |
| 19:56.02 | dob1 | peterS, just tried but nothing, I think the problem is elsewhere |
| 19:56.53 | jean_ | peterS : the command just says : SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory |
| 19:57.17 | petemc | dob1: a simple test, tshark -Y "tcp.flags.reset == 1" , then on the host you think is connecting "telnet 1.2.3.4 55" , you should see output in tshark |
| 19:57.18 | jean_ | peterS : sorry, wrong command... |
| 19:57.33 | petemc | assuming nothing listening on tcp port 55.. |
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| 19:58.08 | dob1 | petemc, I don't see it |
| 19:58.22 | jean_ | peterS : "ip link set wlp11s0 up" gives me : "RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" |
| 19:58.55 | petemc | dob1: what did the telnet command say ? |
| 19:59.19 | peterS | jean_: oh so basically, 'ifconfig wlp11s0 up' and 'ip link set wlp11s0 up' give the same error message? |
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| 19:59.30 | jean_ | peterS : and "ifconfig wlp11s0" gives : "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory" |
| 19:59.45 | jean_ | peterS : so not the same message... |
| 19:59.59 | peterS | 'no such file or directory' is basically the same message |
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| 20:00.06 | dob1 | petemc, nothing, it's just waiting on "capturing on eth0" |
| 20:00.21 | jean_ | peterS : yes :-) |
| 20:00.33 | peterS | dob1: next question then, is eth0 the correct interface that you would expect to see this traffic on |
| 20:00.43 | dob1 | yes it is |
| 20:00.51 | petemc | dob1: do you have access to the machine you believe is connecting? |
| 20:01.01 | petemc | ie, did you run telnet command on that host? |
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| 20:01.26 | totigno | ciao |
| 20:01.39 | dob1 | petemc, no |
| 20:01.45 | petemc | right |
| 20:01.49 | totigno | !list |
| 20:01.49 | dpkg | totigno: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 20:01.55 | teraflops | totigno: ^` |
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| 20:02.34 | jean_ | peterS : on this page, they say to use iwlwifi. Should I try it ? |
| 20:03.40 | petemc | dob1: what makes you think this machine is attempting to connect ? |
| 20:03.42 | peterS | jean_: the specific kernel driver? I would expect the system to select the best driver already. You might need the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package installed, though |
| 20:03.55 | jean_ | peterS : I'm trying this procedure... |
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| 20:05.19 | jean_ | peterS : Cool, It's working ! |
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| 20:08.29 | jean__ | peterS (jean_) : Wifi is working and I'm currently using it ! thank you ! |
| 20:08.39 | dob1 | petemc, the full story is this: I am trying to setup an adblocker via dns, I am using dnsmasq / dhcp server, so the request to ad servers from the pcs are resolved to an internal http server. This works but some ads gives me "unable to connect" so they are trying to connect to a different port than 80/443 |
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| 20:09.22 | ambient | How difficult is it to run Debian testing? |
| 20:09.35 | ambient | Does it break a lot? |
| 20:10.15 | dob1 | ambient, you can use backports packages too if you just want some packages and not a full testing distribution |
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| 20:10.45 | ambient | dob1, I need the kernel and some graphics drivers, mainly |
| 20:10.53 | petemc | dob1: dns A or AAAA records that websites use cant specify ports, so its not that. |
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| 20:11.55 | dob1 | petemc, it is resolved to my interal server for sure because if it is not I would see the ad |
| 20:12.20 | teraflops | ambient: I think directly proportional to your debian skills (apt mainly) |
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| 20:12.34 | annadane | ambient, i'll always say that if you basically know what you're doing (watch out for package transitions, don't blindly mash y through apt etc), testing/sid break in an unbootable way extremely rarely |
| 20:12.48 | annadane | but be aware that you're taking risks |
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| 20:16.24 | annadane | and act accordingly make backups and so on |
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| 20:16.34 | annadane | which really, you should do on debian stable as well |
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| 20:19.35 | totigno | ciao |
| 20:19.48 | totigno | !list |
| 20:19.48 | dpkg | totigno: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 20:22.41 | jim | probably you should update that factoid... if he has intel at all, it's probably amd64 |
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| 20:23.39 | petemc | im not sure the (usually intalian) people that run that are looking for debian install media |
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| 20:24.30 | annadane | ambient, and as dob1 mentioned there are backports etc, see https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 20:25.23 | jim | I get that... !list is usually for warez |
| 20:26.07 | annadane | ambient, this post basically summarizes my attitude, that being said i do not "recommend" debian-next as such for the average user who just wants things to work https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/is-sid-enough-to-be-as-unstable-as-f-rawhide-4175614851/#post5774382 |
| 20:26.48 | teraflops | petemc: yeah warez and they think #debian is full of warez for reasons far beyond my comprehension |
| 20:26.56 | petemc | been going on for years |
| 20:27.00 | teraflops | indeed |
| 20:27.27 | petemc | i thought an italian person explained it one time, cant recall |
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| 20:29.19 | raoni_ | hello, i've got a problem with a 16go usb key, i tried to turn it into a debian live usb under windows with Lily since my already prepared key made with debian in my home was not working on the laptop i tried it, so i tried to do another key but ever since my flash doesn't work here at home under debian, it says that there is an undeletable 16go partition 4 that i can't delete in fdisk and it shows me this (osrry for the french in |
| 20:29.20 | raoni_ | the capture) https://ibin.co/3iex7ds7oOE8.png |
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| 20:30.23 | booyah | on debian 8, let's assume my MBR and /boot are damaged. I can create new ext2 /dev/sdb1 . How to install boot files there, and how to reinstall MBR for it? disk is GPT |
| 20:30.51 | booyah | in rescue cd, chrooted into the / of real OS |
| 20:31.18 | raoni_ | (I think that my problem was a uefi/legacy option in the bios aftewards but i'm not sure :> |
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| 20:33.13 | raoni_ | if i repair this laptop i could get a chance with the girl xD |
| 20:34.33 | booyah | lol |
| 20:35.10 | raoni_ | and she's ready to switch to debian, she had imnt 10 years before she says !! she's maybe the love of my life |
| 20:35.19 | raoni_ | mint* |
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| 20:37.49 | bmatt | I'm sick of this bogus network configuration |
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| 20:38.51 | tsukiyomi | can the .iso be burned and installed from a usb stick? |
| 20:39.10 | tsukiyomi | last time I tried it still asked for a dvd at the end |
| 20:39.26 | nkuttler | tsukiyomi: yes |
| 20:39.30 | bmatt | tsukiyomi: yes |
| 20:39.43 | raoni_ | yes it could be then your internet connexion download the rest |
| 20:40.08 | tsukiyomi | I intend to install it on the hard disk, just using the usb stick instead of a dvd |
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| 20:40.33 | raoni_ | yes i tried the same but i think that i destroyed my key :x |
| 20:40.41 | bmatt | Someone wanna help me configure this wireless connection so it starts during boot? Cause, uh, for some reason -- it works sometimes and doesn't work sometimes |
| 20:41.02 | tsukiyomi | though last time I tried it asked for a dvd at the end of the installation, making it unable for me to finish the install process |
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| 20:43.56 | bmatt | Didn't think so =/ |
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| 20:52.17 | mnlith | tsukiyomi: you used the netinstall .iso right? |
| 20:52.21 | booyah | no help on fixing mbr&boot then? |
| 20:52.24 | ambient | annadane, I can expect breakage then. I had better wait for debian to get the kernel I need then and use another distro meanwhile |
| 20:52.47 | raoni_ | the live iso got the installation option too no ?:> |
| 20:52.51 | ct2late | !bethany2 |
| 20:52.52 | annadane | ambient, kernels can be in backports, if that's what you want |
| 20:52.55 | tsukiyomi | I don't remember to be honest |
| 20:52.59 | annadane | ambient, it's also possible to compile your own |
| 20:53.07 | ambient | annadane, I want the support that comes with the kernel |
| 20:53.10 | ct2late | !bethany |
| 20:53.11 | raoni_ | and btw what should i set to the laptop "bios" uefi or legacy ?? :/ |
| 20:53.22 | raoni_ | to boot with an usb key |
| 20:53.27 | ambient | annadane, The kernel alone won't give me what I need |
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| 20:53.46 | tsukiyomi | doesn't matter much now though, I burned it on a dvd and it worked afterwards |
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| 20:56.11 | mnlith | raoni_: you can burn the iso in any instance, be it UEFI or Legacy mode. |
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| 20:59.21 | mnlith | raoni_: and you can boot it either UEFI or Legacy, it should work on most machines. |
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| 21:02.05 | technohead | i need intell |
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| 21:03.20 | raoni_ | mnlith, my key with persistence works fine on my tower but when i tried it on a i3 HP laptop, it never read the key, afterwards i've red that maybe it was a kind of uefi/legacy stuff that blocked the usb boot but i don't know :/ |
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| 21:05.37 | mnlith | raoni_: what are the default booting options for the HP? |
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| 21:08.24 | raoni_ | mnlith, i don't really know i've got this screen that i've found on the internet : https://i.stack.imgur.com/nlNsm.jpg (the laptop is at my potential girlfriend home actually xd) |
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| 21:09.17 | raoni_ | so normally if I uncheck this stuff, it should maybe boot on my key |
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| 21:09.33 | raoni_ | that's my guess afterwards :> |
| 21:10.37 | bmatt | Wtf is the point of this operating system if you can't GODDAMN CONNECT TO THE FUCKING INTERNET |
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| 21:11.28 | mnlith | raoni_: but what about secure boot, fast boot, etc? |
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| 21:12.07 | raoni_ | mnlith, i've red about this too, but right now I can't recall this option in the menus, that's maybe the solution too I don't really know |
| 21:12.48 | bmatt | How the fuck do I configure my wireless network...seriously? Anybody? goddamn |
| 21:13.05 | mnlith | raoni_: sometimes these options can disrupt systems. |
| 21:13.35 | raoni_ | mnlith, yes it seems to be a kind of microsoft shit to me xD |
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| 21:14.14 | raoni_ | I'm dying to try again xD |
| 21:14.51 | raoni_ | no comps on th world should run under win : x |
| 21:14.59 | mnlith | raoni_: sometimes the manufacturer is at fault, but yeah i suggest you try again in UEFI mode disabling secureboot/fastboot. |
| 21:15.18 | LtL | bmatt: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 21:15.36 | raoni_ | mnlith, gonna try this thanks, yes, it's an HP laptop, the bios is so funky (it could even use a mouse xD) |
| 21:15.36 | bmatt | LtL: nah. doesn't work |
| 21:16.16 | bmatt | LtL: nothing there is useful. |
| 21:16.27 | mnlith | raoni_: np. |
| 21:16.27 | LtL | bmatt: whats the device chipset hex id |
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| 21:17.07 | LtL | bmatt: does dmesg mention firmware? |
| 21:17.16 | bmatt | LtL: no. the device is available to be used. it's a configuration problem. |
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| 21:17.49 | yomm | pls stop using gnome3 as default de/wm ty :p |
| 21:18.13 | bmatt | LtL: i've conenected to the network before. there's something i'm not doing right, and i've googled for hours trying all sorts of different options and I'm at a loss |
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| 21:19.01 | raoni_ | gnome 3 is so bad, i switched to xfce xD |
| 21:19.13 | teraflops | shrugs |
| 21:19.25 | yomm | xfce rulez |
| 21:19.43 | raoni_ | gnome was kinda cool before xd |
| 21:20.00 | raoni_ | small light like a gnome :> |
| 21:20.13 | cybrNaut | did ppls tor middleboxes break? I think a silent update might have broken the typical tor middlebox config |
| 21:20.29 | yomm | debian is the best and gnome (3) imho is the worst |
| 21:20.38 | cybrNaut | dnsmasq is a culprit, i suspect |
| 21:21.29 | yomm | i find it to be quite buggy also compared to lxde xfce or even kde/plasma |
| 21:21.31 | teraflops | please share your DE rants elsewhere |
| 21:21.39 | yomm | ok |
| 21:21.49 | LtL | bmatt: if your using network-manager configure it there, else use /etc/network/interfaces see interfaces(5). |
| 21:22.12 | v0idpwn | xfce is for plebs, real men are into i3wm :3 |
| 21:22.42 | yomm | but where should we discuss debian de/wm stuff then ? |
| 21:23.02 | raoni_ | i3wm is not a graphic DE :p |
| 21:23.02 | teraflops | try #debian-offtopic |
| 21:23.23 | yomm | ok ty teraflops i will |
| 21:24.03 | bmatt | LtL: tried that. |
| 21:24.15 | bmatt | LtL: i actually just connected to the network now... |
| 21:25.27 | bmatt | LtL: it just won't start when i reboot |
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| 21:26.49 | LtL | bmatt: read dmesg or log files. you haven't provided *any* information. |
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| 21:28.03 | bmatt | LtL: kind of hard to considering i have no internet access. want me to type all of the output from dmesg? take me a few hours. |
| 21:28.31 | raoni_ | take apic xD |
| 21:28.54 | bmatt | LtL: http://termbin.com/ho9t -- that's the output of dmesg. i currently have internet access right now, but i won't if i reboot |
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| 21:32.49 | _rahul_chaudhary | [ 49.007048] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp4s0: link is not ready |
| 21:32.49 | _rahul_chaudhary | [ 129.365260] wlp4s0: authenticate with b0:b9:8a:7b:97:0b |
| 21:32.49 | _rahul_chaudhary | [ 129.383752] wlp4s0: send auth to b0:b9:8a:7b:97:0b (try 1/3) |
| 21:32.49 | _rahul_chaudhary | [ 129.385815] wlp4s0: authenticated |
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| 21:35.21 | annadane | _rahul_chaudhary, i'm assuming your problem is that your wifi doesn't work but you need to provide more information than just giving error messages with no context |
| 21:35.26 | annadane | also, use paste.debian.net |
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| 21:35.55 | bmatt | LtL: this is the output of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -- http://termbin.com/wa1t |
| 21:36.07 | bmatt | _rahul_chaudhary: was that directed at me? |
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| 21:37.20 | _rahul_chaudhary | bmatt : i was looking at the logs and it is detecting your network interface and saying it is ready to use |
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| 21:39.00 | Shmam | ok so I need to update kernel to 4.10.6 or newer. I ran "$ uname -r 4.9.0-4-amd64". How do I update this to the newer version? Apt shows that there are no upgrades. |
| 21:39.52 | annadane | Shmam, why do you need to update the kernel? |
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| 21:40.13 | annadane | there are probably kernels in backports you can use, if you need them |
| 21:40.16 | annadane | !backports |
| 21:40.16 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 21:40.49 | bmatt | _rahul_chaudhary: yea only after i issue "dhclient wlp4s0" |
| 21:40.54 | bmatt | it doesn't do it during boot. |
| 21:41.14 | Shmam | According to this: https://github.com/rolandguelle/razer-blade-stealth-linux#keyboard-colors I need 4.10.6 or newer to get HDMI to work. |
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| 21:41.33 | bmatt | _rahul_chaudhary: also, sometimes it will say "unable to authenticate" -- is that some sort of ipv6 issue? |
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| 21:48.08 | Shmam | so how do I update my kernel? Do I need to add something to sources.list? |
| 21:48.50 | ivan | stretch-backports |
| 21:49.09 | ivan | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 21:51.35 | Shmam | ivan: so after adding that to sources.list, I just `apt update && apt upgrade`? |
| 21:51.59 | ivan | no, because backports will not be upgraded to, see the rest of the page |
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| 21:52.50 | Shmam | so I need to do this "apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package"" but what is the name of the kernel package? |
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| 21:53.40 | ivan | Shmam: linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:53.49 | annadane | well, first of all see whether what you need is even in backports |
| 21:53.51 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 21:53.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 21:53.53 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 21:54.04 | annadane | okay, so 4.13 |
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| 21:55.02 | Shmam | so I should run this: "apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64" and that will install the latest kernel? |
| 21:55.18 | ivan | I would hope |
| 21:55.30 | Shmam | ok lets see what happens! |
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| 21:56.19 | LtL | Shmam: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 21:57.13 | Shmam | i got a few errors |
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| 21:57.43 | Shmam | http://paste.debian.net/997743/ |
| 21:57.48 | Shmam | is that normal? |
| 21:58.23 | ivan | Shmam: you probably want linux-headers-amd64 as well since you have dkms installed |
| 21:58.50 | Shmam | should I apt-get install that with stretch-backports or without? |
| 21:58.56 | ivan | with |
| 21:59.01 | Shmam | ok |
| 22:00.51 | Shmam | so now do I just restart and it should be installed? |
| 22:01.12 | ivan | yeah, in the rare case of it failing to boot just press keys on the grub menu to select the old kernel |
| 22:01.20 | ivan | grub will boot the newest one by default |
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| 22:01.51 | Shmam | so In grub do I just go to the advanced linux startup thingy if it fails? |
| 22:02.20 | ivan | yes |
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| 22:02.38 | LtL | Shmam: 'ls -l /' does vmlinuz point to the new kernel? |
| 22:02.41 | Shmam | ok hopefully ill brb |
| 22:03.21 | Shmam | LtL: initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 22:03.40 | Shmam | the .old ones point to the old ones so I think i'm good to go |
| 22:03.45 | LtL | Shmam: yep |
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| 22:11.32 | Shmam | yeay it works :D |
| 22:11.44 | annadane | \o/ |
| 22:14.12 | AlexPortable | How can I reset root password? |
| 22:14.18 | AlexPortable | it suddenly says login incorrect |
| 22:14.42 | mtn | AlexPortable: use the correct password without typos ;) |
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| 22:15.01 | AlexPortable | password is root |
| 22:15.02 | AlexPortable | how can i typo this |
| 22:15.17 | annadane | !fmrp |
| 22:15.17 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html, <mysql initial password>. |
| 22:15.21 | mtn | no one would use root as a password |
| 22:15.22 | annadane | never mind |
| 22:15.25 | annadane | ignore that |
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| 22:16.02 | AlexPortable | i think somehow passwd script went wrong |
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| 22:18.36 | LtL | !ifrp |
| 22:18.36 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 22:19.07 | LtL | AlexPortable: thats for you. |
| 22:19.31 | annadane | though i suspect there's a deeper, fundamental issue going on here |
| 22:19.57 | annadane | like not knowing your root password to begin with or having root as your root password or doing god-knows-what to have the "password script go wrong" |
| 22:20.16 | AlexPortable | it's a test vm |
| 22:20.19 | AlexPortable | i just didnt make a snapshot |
| 22:20.28 | annadane | shrugs |
| 22:20.29 | AlexPortable | how to do step 2? |
| 22:20.35 | AlexPortable | still in grub or outside of it |
| 22:21.17 | booyah | anyone knows how to reinstall grub? it keeps saying failed to get canonical path of `/dev/sdb1` (/boot is mounted there) |
| 22:21.19 | AlexPortable | i added step 1 in grub, and pressed F10, now i get a login prompt |
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| 22:25.20 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: If you're getting a login prompt then you didn't do step 1 correctly. |
| 22:25.38 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: If you do setep 1 correctly, you will get a shell prompt. |
| 22:25.39 | AlexPortable | how to do it properly |
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| 22:26.25 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Just as it says above. |
| 22:26.31 | AlexPortable | i did |
| 22:26.36 | AlexPortable | i added on the last line init=/bin/sh |
| 22:26.42 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: No, you didn't. |
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| 22:27.00 | AlexPortable | is the indent neccesary? |
| 22:28.05 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: It needs to go at the end of the line that begins with the name of the kernel and ends with something like "splash quiet" |
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| 22:28.16 | jhutchins | Mine is something like inux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae root=UUID=b1b94925-5ff9-45ef-a045-8afb0160097f ro quiet |
| 22:28.43 | jhutchins | init=/bin/sh goes at the end of that, but I'm not sure that's still valid for systemd. |
| 22:28.54 | AlexPortable | ah there |
| 22:28.58 | AlexPortable | that's not at the end of grub |
| 22:29.01 | AlexPortable | thats in a specific line |
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| 22:29.41 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: That's why it says to "edit the kernel setting" - not the clearest way to put it. |
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| 22:30.23 | AlexPortable | thanks that fixed it |
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| 22:30.40 | knoxyca | I'm getting the error described in bug 867967 (The key(s) in the keyring are ignored. Not readable by user '_apt') this is on a fresh install of Stretch using an ISO downloaded today. The only helpful thing in the bug report is that the error describes the issue. My question then is: how do I grant _apt read access to the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file without granting too much access? |
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| 22:33.21 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Ok, good to know it still works with systemd. |
| 22:33.30 | jhutchins | I was checking while you were trying. |
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| 22:34.09 | nyu721 | hello, i am trying to create a custom debian jessie image for my raspberry pi but it fails to boot, can someone help me out? |
| 22:35.30 | AlexPortable | im not on systemd jhutchins |
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| 22:37.14 | LtL | knoxyca: delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg did you use synaptic? |
| 22:38.03 | knoxyca | I didn't initially, but even in Synaptic I get the error |
| 22:38.32 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: I'll do some testing on it tomorrow and see if the init compatbility allows the same procedure, or if we need to update the factoid. |
| 22:39.03 | knoxyca | LtL: removing that file worked thanks! |
| 22:39.19 | jasperw | Hi, I'm trying to debug a pmtu discovery issue with ipv6, does anyone know how to display what the kernel thinks the mtu of the path to a remote host is? and how to monitor changes to it? (I'm assuming it gets cached somewhere) ip -6 monitor all shows me... stuff..., but nothing mentioning mtu. |
| 22:40.03 | LtL | knoxyca: synaptic corrupts that file, delete it. you can re-create later 'touch /etc/apt/trusted.gpg' it should be a zero byte file, octal 0600 root:root |
| 22:40.29 | petemc | jasperw: you can check for the interface, sysctl -a | grep mtu |
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| 22:58.58 | jasperw | wierdly if i do: ip -6 route add [remote subnet] via [default gateway] dev bridge0 proto static mtu 1500 it works... |
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| 22:59.56 | jasperw | but i'd really like a way to get the kernel to show me what it thinks it's doing with pmtu disc for that host |
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| 23:01.07 | petemc | you probably get same result with sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.sit0.mtu 1500 |
| 23:01.15 | petemc | is it 1480 currently ? |
| 23:02.35 | petemc | (adjust sysctl command to correct interface, obviously) |
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| 23:02.55 | jasperw | net.ipv6.conf.bridge0.mtu = 1500 |
| 23:03.03 | jasperw | which is right |
| 23:03.03 | petemc | huh |
| 23:03.55 | jasperw | when it dosn't work i can see icmpv6 mtu too large messages coming in, but they seem to get ignored (It's my end thats sending too big a packet), I get 2 of them, one from the ppp link and one from the he.net tunnel to the far end |
| 23:04.40 | jasperw | I'm guessing that adding a route to the specific subnet gives the kernel something to hang a new mtu on, where as with the default route (from radvd) something does not work(?!!?) |
| 23:04.56 | petemc | i thought mtu was per interface, rather than per dest |
| 23:05.01 | petemc | icbw |
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| 23:05.47 | jasperw | aiui with pmtudisc it has to cache per dest |
| 23:05.53 | jasperw | 23:05:14.745618 IP6 (flowlabel 0x4ba2c, hlim 64, next-header ICMPv6 (58) payload length: 1240) 2a01:348:82::1 > 2a01:348:82:0:d94:e704:b27:745e: [icmp6 sum ok] ICMP6, packet too big, mtu 1492 |
| 23:05.53 | jasperw | 23:05:14.827476 IP6 (flowlabel 0x93085, hlim 56, next-header ICMPv6 (58) payload length: 1240) 2001:470:0:67::2 > 2a01:348:82:0:d94:e704:b27:745e: [icmp6 sum ok] ICMP6, packet too big, mtu 1480 |
| 23:06.27 | jasperw | 1st is ppp, 2nd is he.net tunnel |
| 23:07.01 | knoxyca | so I've done `update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` to change to i3, but when I log in, I'm still getting whatever default window manager is used in Debian 9 |
| 23:07.02 | jasperw | also wierdly i only have issues with this remote subnet (xen vm's behind a virtual bridge) |
| 23:07.58 | linuxthefish | hey, when i use "tar -zcvf html www.tar.gz" to tar a directory on debian 8 it doesn't seem to be working, I get the error "tar: www.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory" and "tar (child): html: Cannot open: Is a directory" |
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| 23:09.09 | jasperw | knoxyca : can you choose a session to log into? The Debian desktop environment may not let you choose a different wm, but if there is a different session (can't remember what it's called) that uses the traditional mechanisms that should work |
| 23:09.25 | linuxthefish | ah wrong way around, screw my memory... |
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| 23:09.55 | jasperw | maybe "Default Xsession" |
| 23:09.55 | knoxyca | at the login screen I can choose X11 Default, or 3 different GNOME configurations |
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| 23:10.16 | jasperw | X11 Default will probably get you i3 :) |
| 23:10.29 | knoxyca | that's what I'm logging into :( |
| 23:10.36 | jasperw | oh err... |
| 23:10.40 | jasperw | no idea then, sorry |
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