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| 00:25.06 | Kobaz | what's the terminal setting that controls whether or not less/most/emacs/etc restores the original terminal or leaves itself still drawn after exiting |
| 00:26.11 | Kobaz | depending on the setup... sometimes you ctrl-c and the pager/editor completely dissapears and then you're back to exactly what you terminal was showing before you ran the app |
| 00:26.35 | Kobaz | and then other times, you ctrl-c and whatever you were viewing in your pager/editor/etc is still on the terminal |
| 00:26.51 | somiaj | Kobaz: env will list yoru current enviorment variables |
| 00:26.54 | Kobaz | right |
| 00:27.06 | Kobaz | i'm asking if someone knows what the setting is |
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| 00:28.05 | somiaj | I'm unsure, don't know if has to do with LESSOPEN and LESSCLOSE or not |
| 00:28.58 | somiaj | na, that probably isn't it, I just noticed the change most with less, never looked into what configured it. |
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| 00:30.30 | Kobaz | interesting question isn't it |
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| 00:39.23 | somiaj | Kobaz: never really thought about it, but I use defaults a lot of the time, so don't think about how to change that behavor. |
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| 00:40.43 | somiaj | Kobaz: https://superuser.com/questions/106637/less-command-clearing-screen-upon-exit-how-to-switch-it-off -- at least with less, it seems to be the program and not some flag, you can configure it to behave differnetly if you want. |
| 00:41.08 | somiaj | unsure if this is the case for emacs, vim, or any other app that uses this, that you have to configure it for each app, not just some setting that works for multiple apps. |
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| 00:47.41 | mnuhmnuh | Kobaz: i use LESS=-ceigqj5Mx4X # look 'em all up in manpage to see which actually does what you're talking about. |
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| 01:15.21 | ltaylor | I have Debian (without an x desktop- just plain console) installed on a usb stick and I am using the usb as my hard drive. How long can I expect it to last considering I do alot of compiling? |
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| 01:16.54 | rant | I've been using thumbdrives as the HDD on all my systems for the last year and seen no signs of it wearing out |
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| 01:18.08 | ltaylor | rant, thats good to here. I spend $30 on a used thin client, and $10 on a usb thumbdrive so hopefully my $40 computer will last |
| 01:18.18 | rant | then again I may just not be noticing it because I'm used to the signs of old age of a normal HDD :P |
| 01:19.07 | ltaylor | lol |
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| 01:20.16 | rant | I have been noticing this machine is slow as snail shit.. and can't seem to figure out whats causing it.. but I highly doubt thats the issue.. cause it started happeneing when I was still using a USB SATA HDD, and was why I switched to a 128GB thumbdrive cause I thought it might be faster |
| 01:21.01 | rant | things that simply shouldnt be lagging like closing a program or switching consoles take ridiculously long and I dont see any ram/cpu usage explaining it.. so idk |
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| 01:21.21 | ltaylor | Were you using a usb 2.0 or 3.0 USB SATA HDD? |
| 01:21.45 | ltaylor | My thumb drive is only 16GB but I don't have alot of stuff on iy |
| 01:21.59 | rant | this machine only has 2.0 and I doubt it even reaches real usb 2.0 speeds |
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| 01:22.48 | rant | I use a 32GB one for an X86 install and this 128GB one is my armhf one |
| 01:22.59 | ltaylor | USB SATA HDD's are only usable if you have a USB 3.0 port |
| 01:23.14 | rant | IIRC those 32GB PNY were like $5 last year for black friday at walmart |
| 01:23.36 | rant | yeah well things like closing a program should have no bearing on the disk access speed |
| 01:24.00 | ltaylor | rant, But is it really worth going to Walmart on Black Friday to get a cheap USB :-) |
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| 01:24.41 | rant | yeah I wasn't thrilled about being there but that was the only thing I really got cause there were a ton of them and they were dirt cheap |
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| 01:25.09 | rant | I f'n hate "holidays" in the US, its one of the things I hate most about this country. :P |
| 01:25.09 | ltaylor | I will just have to wait and see but I should be fine since I am not using a desktop environment (or even a wm) and I don't have any big programs |
| 01:25.29 | ltaylor | do you get a holiday for black friday?!? |
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| 01:26.05 | rant | thats part of what I mean.. the word holiday is a commercial term here, it doesn't mean a vacation like everywhere else in the world |
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| 01:26.32 | rant | they're just days when the mindless masses make life intolerable for normal people :P |
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| 01:27.16 | ltaylor | exactly. Even though christmas and easter are religious holidays, they are just commerical now which is kinda sad |
| 01:27.16 | rant | and they're growing in number anymore to the point I dont even know them all.. I keep finding out about new ones ever year when I'm somehow inconvenienced by them |
| 01:27.37 | ltaylor | Better to have more days off then less though |
| 01:29.16 | rant | there is absolutely no excuse outside crony corporate capitalist gains for this.. any explaination for the average person like spending time with family or having days off is better addressed by doing these things on your own schedule not when an entire nation is doing it all at once |
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| 01:29.46 | numbdewd | ltaylor: hm. depends on ur handling of said stick, and its quality.. I guess..... ha! .. couple years, tops, prolly? |
| 01:30.02 | numbdewd | oops, damn din't auto-scroll...replied to old thingie.. nvm, sorry! lol |
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| 01:30.24 | rant | numbdewd: it was just said about 10 minutes ago :P |
| 01:30.37 | ltaylor | numdewd, Its a Sandisk, so I guess it's decent |
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| 01:31.28 | ltaylor | rant, Yeah true |
| 01:31.35 | numbdewd | hm.. speaking of which... which USB sticks would be most durable, or expected to be anyway? Preferrably ones small in size yet with high capacity, but thats second to its durability / quality.. I was thinking of geting a bunch more of these things actually.. |
| 01:32.33 | ltaylor | numdewd, Are you talking about pysical durability or a long read/write cycle? |
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| 01:32.43 | rant | I've never seen one die in all the years I've been using them.. I've seen several HDDs die, but never a thumbdrive |
| 01:33.01 | rant | I had a sd card die on me after a few months light use though |
| 01:33.06 | ltaylor | Probably anything that is not a generic chinese thumbdrive will be good |
| 01:33.25 | numbdewd | funny idea: trouble hacking some evil corporation, or ur neighbor..? rather than exploiting their corporate network infrastructure from the outside using l33t 0dayz or otherwise....simply drop a usb-stick in their parking lot, or driveway.... too many companies have too curious and oblivious/negligent employees to know the better. ^_- |
| 01:33.42 | ltaylor | rant, I guess most of the time thumbdrives are used to store documents and are not constanly being read/written to |
| 01:33.54 | rant | the 8gb kingston uSD/tf card that came from china with my opi died on me after a few months and I was only using it to boot, was ning the OS on another drive |
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| 01:34.05 | numbdewd | "hmm..what's this? .. Ill check that out!" (a...hah!) |
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| 01:34.25 | numbdewd | China.. it's probably backdoored by default, too.. yikes. |
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| 01:34.28 | ltaylor | numdewd, thats how that Iranian nuclear plant got hacked even though it wasn't connected to the internet |
| 01:34.39 | numbdewd | o_O.. really..? it was?=0 |
| 01:34.50 | rant | well the backdoor would explain the performance issues :P |
| 01:34.58 | numbdewd | hmh.. interesting.. plz link to info if u've got.. cool :d |
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| 01:34.59 | rant | I'm probably a chinese spy and dont even know it |
| 01:35.27 | ltaylor | numdewd, yeah the US government hacked a Iranian Uranium enritchment plant and blew out the enrichment machines by spinning them too fast |
| 01:35.29 | numbdewd | same.. ignorance is bliss however, so theres that. "whatever", eh. I live well this well anyway, in my oblivious ignorance |
| 01:35.55 | ltaylor | Everything is way too dependent on computers and the internet |
| 01:36.08 | rant | though I think its something more environmental because it wasnt this f'n slow when I first got it |
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| 01:36.25 | numbdewd | .ltaylor: hm.. sry not sure I understand. Thought u referred to the Israeli (?) operation targeting Siemens systems in their plants thru use of malware (Stuxnet?) |
| 01:36.53 | ltaylor | yeah it was stuxnet |
| 01:36.58 | numbdewd | rant: run various flash-disk check software at it |
| 01:37.00 | numbdewd | oh |
| 01:37.02 | rant | back when I was into tech business I always told people when the really weird stuff happened it was usually the PS because it would cause problems all over the board and have you chasing your tail |
| 01:37.45 | rant | and I have been powering this thing off a samsung 2a wall adapter that probably wasnt designed for this kind of constant draw |
| 01:37.47 | numbdewd | ..k...hmh. I know little of it.. was it the US govt..? (I guess Israeli in this respect could easily equal, or even likely so, in fact rather be US intelligence, eh.hmh) |
| 01:38.37 | rant | or the kinds of power flux this thing undoubtedly has |
| 01:39.02 | numbdewd | thought that whole thing was pretty cool as a demonstration of how much power that could be held within a small piece of malware.. obliterating years of work on nuclear power plants and research,massive amounts of cash.. whew! |
| 01:39.47 | ltaylor | I think that it is bad that everything is becoming compuerised since you could hack into anything |
| 01:40.51 | numbdewd | https://usbkill.com/ ^_^ (there are DIY-versions to find online....I've actually just been waiting for some malicious evil-doer to exploit all the public usb-plugs ppl use for charging their phones ever-present (here anwyay) on buses and most public transport, atms even, and so many other places.. by zapping em as such! lol |
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| 01:41.45 | numbdewd | (basically a USB stick which repeatedly sends power surges into the device, potentially frying it.. a destructive device.) |
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| 01:42.43 | ealfonso | everytime I try to install a node package via npm, debian fails me... |
| 01:42.56 | ivan | want to pastebin an error? |
| 01:43.52 | ealfonso | https://pastebin.com/Rgu4vLsa |
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| 01:44.13 | ealfonso | installed via sudo apt-get install nodejs npm |
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| 01:44.33 | ealfonso | i've basically never been able to use npm without a problem on debian |
| 01:45.10 | numbdewd | o rly =o I've only ever used it a few times, but besides once or twice always found it very smooth and nice way of installing stuff otherwise more time-consuming.. :s |
| 01:46.28 | L3gacy | New toy! https://imgur.com/a/TgZsK |
| 01:46.42 | numbdewd | get-airgeddon ("npm install -g get-airgeddon" (as root)) for easy install of, now very commonly used, quite powerful wifi-auditing tool(set).. :d |
| 01:46.59 | ivan | ealfonso: first of all, don't sudo npm anything ever, you can do everything with user-local stuff |
| 01:47.17 | numbdewd | o really?.. may it not require root....ever? |
| 01:47.23 | ivan | never |
| 01:47.30 | ivan | ealfonso: second, you're running an ancient node and probably want to use upstream's debian packages |
| 01:47.44 | ivan | I bet that will solve the compilation errors |
| 01:47.47 | numbdewd | (it does say "as root" on it's npmjs.com page too even.. ( https://www.npmjs.com/package/get-airgeddon ) ) ..hmh. |
| 01:48.01 | numbdewd | interesting..nice info idd-assuming true..will try remember! Thanks |
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| 01:48.14 | ivan | ealfonso: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/ |
| 01:48.40 | ealfonso | everytime I use npm as non-root I get some kind of permission error... anyway, I was following this random guide on the internet https://www.unixmen.com/ttystudio-record-terminal-session-gif |
| 01:49.02 | ivan | don't follow random guides on the internet |
| 01:49.20 | ealfonso | but yeah, the end result is that debian failed me. Now I have to purge debian's node and figure out how to install from source or jump through other hoops |
| 01:49.44 | ivan | well, you wanted debian's old software and tried to combine it with new software that expected the C++ APIs to be different |
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| 01:50.48 | ivan | I mean, I guess debian could ship updated nodejses in stable, but that would be a lot of work |
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| 01:51.43 | ealfonso | I think debian should just not package stuff like node and go if it is going to become 'ancient' in a relatively recent debian release |
| 01:52.06 | ivan | some packages in debian rely on nodejs, though, and they're fine with the old version |
| 01:52.24 | ivan | apt-cache rdepends nodejs |
| 01:52.54 | ealfonso | great, now I have to get into the business of managining multiple nodejs versions on my system |
| 01:52.55 | numbdewd | when adding additional third-party/external/non-official repositories to the sources.list-file, is there a way to prevent complications potentially resulting from use as such..? (conflicting versions and whatnot..) |
| 01:53.16 | ivan | ealfonso: why multiple? the other packages will _probably_ be fine with the newer nodejs |
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| 01:53.23 | ivan | you might not even be using them |
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| 01:53.58 | numbdewd | 'scuse me.. was kicked off.. terrible ISP..or wahtever. |
| 01:53.59 | ivan | numbdewd: not in the general sense |
| 01:54.06 | numbdewd | oh.. not, eh.. hmm.. |
| 01:54.18 | ivan | numbdewd: pick only repositories that are relatively self-contained |
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| 01:55.27 | numbdewd | I'd typically try install a bunch of stuff like check-all-the-things , adequate , debaux .. and a lot more as one of the first things I'd do on most deb systems I'd do that on.. still...:z |
| 01:55.37 | ealfonso | https://pastebin.com/xRbDWVuZ |
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| 01:56.22 | numbdewd | ivan: hmh.. is there a way to limit install frmo each repo. to specific restricted, more or less locked-down / isolated places from each other.. potentially even locked down as to not affect critical system files (at least optionally enabled as such)..? |
| 01:56.40 | ivan | no |
| 01:57.00 | ivan | one thing you can do is backport a package yourself if there is no adequate backport |
| 01:57.04 | ealfonso | probably not a debian problem at this point, but I probably need to manually link some node bin directory... which ideally is stuff that package manager would have taken care of for me |
| 01:57.26 | numbdewd | ah. k.. meh, damn!.. so I'll have to keep being careful, and expect occasional challenges as I screw up my systems yet another time occasionally then, heheh.. mk.. |
| 01:57.40 | ivan | ealfonso: maybe npm install -g or put node_modules/.bin in your PATH if something got installed there |
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| 01:58.38 | ivan | npm isn't going to mess with your PATH |
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| 01:59.52 | ealfonso | yeah, I had to find it: find . -name ttystudio -type f => ./node_modules/ttystudio/bin/ttystudio |
| 02:00.14 | ivan | fun times in the javascript ecosystem |
| 02:00.17 | numbdewd | Using debian's netinst., how small is it possible to get a minimal deb. install...? (leaving like..maybe 10-100mb tops to custom whatevers..) |
| 02:00.40 | ealfonso | In the end I had to do a bunch of low-level plumbing to get something simple to work. someone less technical would have probably given up |
| 02:01.05 | ivan | btw, check out asciinema, packaged in debian :-) |
| 02:01.22 | ivan | it appears you can embed the recordings too https://asciinema.org/docs/embedding |
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| 02:03.03 | numbdewd | JS! I love it (well, I mean... kinda?) I block it by default, often amuse myself by passing random sites JS thru deobfuscators/beautifiers and tamper with the various data in there, if not harvesting foolish remnants of sensitive data left behind in there.. ppl think its safe by making it hard to find-hah!.. . or even that their site is magically more safe from sqli, lfi or such by packing the re |
| 02:03.25 | numbdewd | ..requests into some comlpicated-looking block of code thru some JS frameworks.. :d |
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| 02:04.26 | ivan | numbdewd: use debootstrap --variant=minbase and see how small you can compress it |
| 02:04.39 | ivan | numbdewd: I suspect you can't get it under 100MB |
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| 02:05.58 | numbdewd | hm.. Ive often got that package (debootstrap) ..for some reason...been meaning to explore it more some time, never knew what it was. Cool..thanks,may be that'll be my excuse to learn more about just that thing then, a lili at least.. and possibly get some nice use out of it even..cool! thx! sounds impressive too,that lil size, if really possible as such! sounds awesome =D |
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| 02:06.31 | ivan | remember to install a kernel and a grub because minbase is "just enough to get apt to run" |
| 02:06.34 | ivan | booting optional |
| 02:06.37 | numbdewd | ..and , if u could guesstimate, assuming not included in that 100MB estimation of the base system..for network connectivity..like ssh-server.. would it require alot more (beyond that 100MB) you think? |
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| 02:06.47 | ivan | I think it's more like 300MB |
| 02:06.48 | numbdewd | oo. k.. lol |
| 02:06.56 | numbdewd | o..k |
| 02:07.41 | numbdewd | "booting optional".. that's possibly a good thing, right.. allowing things such as the boot partition on an encrypted usb-stick, or various kinds for ..whatever different uses, and such..eh? |
| 02:08.08 | numbdewd | otherwise..sounds..hm,confusing/weird..=S (I'm a n00b to nix in general mind you.. -sorry, heh=) ) |
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| 02:10.01 | numbdewd | any suggestion as to what the most minimally demanding and least resource-intensive, simple, virtualization software may be expected to work on most standard debian (server, non-gui) installs..? ..for loading an other simple, small .img / .iso or such file.. (docker -type of software not included) |
| 02:10.19 | numbdewd | or..would that be too diff. from docker, or docker or such really be a bad alternative really.. I'm not sure.. |
| 02:11.38 | numbdewd | mainly concerned with security, and potential for isolation from the main host-OS, and possibly option to use features like FDE, compartmentalized partitions thru mounted encrypted containers, n such......if possible...) |
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| 02:12.00 | numbdewd | (on the guest-hosts, that is^) |
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| 02:12.21 | dTal | I guess jails on debian/kfreebsd aren't what you're looking for... :p |
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| 02:12.31 | ivan | numbdewd: maybe virt-manager |
| 02:12.54 | ivan | I use vmware for everything |
| 02:13.00 | numbdewd | o.. sorry for my newb-ness, but sorry to say I don't even know what "jails" are, however many times I've heard of it before in various situations..for whatever-can't remember |
| 02:13.36 | ealfonso | ivan where does it store the recordings? |
| 02:13.40 | ivan | you can isolate things without virtual machines, though, yeah |
| 02:13.50 | numbdewd | hm..thanks..interesting. I've come across (and likely often had installed) virt-manager actually. just never actually used it directly myself.. also an other thing Ive been wanting to at some point... (likely got it as some depenceny and remember as it occasionally caused some .. issues, or whateer...) |
| 02:14.17 | numbdewd | hm. isolate..how...? quite well though, u think? |
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| 02:16.21 | numbdewd | got so many VMs (ran with ... xen,kvm, vz,vmware..and whatever else, too) thru cheap deals found on places such as lowendbox.com , webhostingtalk.com and similar. numerous VMs with 500gb - 2000gb/2tb bw per year for a mere $3 paid annually, using bitcoin and anonymous ID. using some "road-warrior openvpn script" (to auto- download, configure and setup) makes for alot cheaper VPN ser |
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| 02:16.54 | numbdewd | ..service than most other providers, too, not to mention the trust u'd put in those, the awareness (by ur ISP among others..) of using such a service, or the potential for additional, custom, solutions to add to that as well ^_^ |
| 02:17.04 | ivan | ealfonso: if you're on debian 8 I think you have asciinema < 1.0 which could only upload |
| 02:17.07 | ivan | http://blog.asciinema.org/post/one-point-o/ |
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| 02:17.30 | ealfonso | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/314235/converting-asciinema-output-to-gif |
| 02:18.17 | ealfonso | ivan will it record an ncurses-based ui? |
| 02:18.27 | ivan | ealfonso: yep |
| 02:18.32 | numbdewd | lowendspirit.com has some cheap offers as such... $2 - $5 per year I think... minimal systems with no dedicated IPv4 address, besides access thru an allocated 20 or so ports for your exlusive use..otherwise IPv6 only. (which can be quite educational as well, if wanting to explore IPv6 and its uses or potential limitations for example, too) |
| 02:19.57 | numbdewd | chaining a dozen VPNs thru non-commercial VPN-provider systems, all using anonymous ids with various (custom..secret!..not too fancy tho,be creative! eh:p) points amidst em all.. very cheap, apparently quite secure and potentially not all that slow either, afaik anyway (being a n00b to most of this all mind you, just to remind=) |
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| 02:23.17 | numbdewd | a VPN provider with some of its staffers apparently with some cool amount of interest in and bunch of knowledge of crypto and related topics, has an interesting potential additional idea to implement amidst a chain of various vpns/proxies using varying forms of anti-DPI,obfuscation and differing protocols already.. supposedly, having 3 nodes, enabling the connection between the three where host# |
| 02:23.59 | numbdewd | ..host#1 only knows to connect to host#3, and without compromise of each further relay in the chain, host#1 would not ever know details of host#3.. thru use of GRE tunnels or such , apparently.. sounds interersting.. ~> https://github.com/cryptostorm/voodoo.network |
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| 02:25.55 | numbdewd | (yeah, yeah; call me paranoid, however do note I do not at all trust any commercial (or otherwise..) providers offering services such as those by VPN-providers, despite any claims of no-logs, million-bit ciphers and advanced algorithms or whatever.. and would consider all data passed thru as potentially compromised and tampered with, logged for analysis and monetized, or used as a resource howev |
| 02:26.32 | numbdewd | ..however, by criminals or govts alike.. as easy as it'd be to setup such a company and appearing independent, and even often inherently being granted the acceptance of anonymity, too, as such a provider.. |
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| 02:26.54 | Tramp | !ops numbdewd spamming |
| 02:26.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: tramp complains about a problem (see above) |
| 02:27.23 | numbdewd | Tramp: sorry... guess Imma shut up now then, eh.. just asking me would be enough.. again, I'm sorry! |
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| 02:33.58 | flashdance93 | speaking of vpn what sources would you look into ? |
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| 02:36.38 | debianproblems | hello, what's the reason behind having installed liblept5 in Debian Stretch in a virtual machine but having no /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5 ? the library is missing |
| 02:36.52 | numbdewd | flashdance93: depends on ur motivations for use.. |
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| 02:37.45 | ivan | debianproblems: does dpkg -L say that that package installs that file? |
| 02:37.56 | ivan | (or -S to search for a package by a path) |
| 02:38.05 | debianproblems | hello, what's the reason behind having installed liblept5 in Debian Stretch in a virtual machine but having no /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5 ? the library is missing, and surprisingly enough that's not the only problem, because package "tesseract" in stretch fails to run as it cannot find "liblept.so.4", how come this package manager installs tesseract for liblept 4 instead of 5? |
| 02:38.09 | numbdewd | I'd choose provider based on usage scenarios... some times it may be a tactically wise decision to use a commercial VPN provider despite its inherent potential risks, too, for appearing - and making it apparent as such, too - as "one of many", possibly inseperable from the numerous others using the same shared IP. Other times it may be more beneficial to not appear to be hiding at all |
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| 02:39.33 | ivan | debianproblems: you mean tesseract-ocr, right? |
| 02:39.36 | numbdewd | note ISPs, more so scrutinized with attention from LE, would idd pay extra attention to users communications, and potential for being the correct suspect during an investigation during discovery of use of services such as VPN networks or TOR. |
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| 02:40.14 | ivan | debianproblems: it works fine here on stretch and it's linked to the right library |
| 02:40.15 | ivan | # ldd `which tesseract` | grep liblept |
| 02:40.15 | ivan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.28 | ivan | debianproblems: maybe you're running some old tesseract or your install is broken? |
| 02:40.31 | debianproblems | ivan liblept.so.5 is in the folder, but for some reason my terminal wasn't autocompleting it when writing liblept and pressing TAB, so now my only question is why tesseract package in stretch asks for a version of liblept that is not in stretch |
| 02:40.51 | ivan | no tesseract package, only tesseract-ocr and related |
| 02:41.06 | numbdewd | having used TOR is not rarely used as part of their "probably cause" for search and seizures and warrants for example. Also, note, do not trust claims of "data retention policies" - anywhere - being any good in protection in this regard, all the relevant data is stored numerous other places than by the ISPs themselves anyway, too, beware. |
| 02:41.09 | ivan | maybe that's the problem? ancient non-stretch tesseract package? |
| 02:41.21 | debianproblems | ivan: no, it's not, I mean tesseract-ocr |
| 02:42.16 | ivan | debianproblems: can you pastebin your dpkg -l | grep -P '(tesseract|liblept)' and `which tesseract` and `dpkg -S /usr/bin/tesseract` |
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| 02:42.45 | debianproblems | ivan: if I purge tesseract-ocr and type tesseract in terminal, I get still the library error, so somehow apt get is not overriding whatever tesseract old version was installed in that system (just my guess) |
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| 02:45.08 | debianproblems | ivan https://pastebin.com/E6mLLNHx |
| 02:45.39 | ivan | debianproblems: yeah, /usr/local/bin/tesseract means you installed it with `sudo make install` or something |
| 02:45.54 | ivan | don't sudo make install anything |
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| 02:46.37 | ivan | debianproblems: you probably want to go into your /usr/local and clean up anything tesseract-related (or ideally everything) |
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| 02:49.32 | ivan | debianproblems: after the tesseract binaries and shared libraries are gone in /usr/local the package should work |
| 02:49.47 | ivan | (alternatively, if you can't, try /usr/bin/tesseract) |
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| 02:50.17 | debianproblems | I just deleted /usr/local/bin/tesseract and now it's working from /usr/bin/tesseract, so thanks |
| 02:50.28 | debianproblems | but don't tell me to not sudo make install anything, I probably did it because either there was an issue with tesseract deb package or because it don't allowed some specific configuration installed from apt |
| 02:50.36 | debianproblems | so being told that I get angry |
| 02:50.49 | debianproblems | it didn't allow* |
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| 02:52.07 | ivan | debianproblems: you can compile and run programs without messing up the system by putting things in /usr/local |
| 02:52.16 | ivan | just modify the PATH to add whichever bin directories you need |
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| 02:54.00 | debianproblems | isn't more troublesome to set annoying environment variables that no one remembers where they are stored or when they got stored? having everything in a folder now that you have taught me what happens when I do sudo make install seems easier to me |
| 02:54.11 | ivan | (in some cases, also LD_LIBRARY_PATH) |
| 02:54.44 | ivan | eh, I don't think so, setting it up in .bashrc is fairly hassle-free |
| 02:55.18 | ivan | it's scoped to a user and it avoids problems down the line |
| 02:56.50 | debianproblems | well, I don't trust those rc files.. my .xinitrc for example never works so I have to manually type its content every time I reboot |
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| 02:58.08 | debianproblems | .xsession doesn't work either |
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| 02:59.17 | ivan | .xinitrc is run only when your X session starts |
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| 03:01.00 | ivan | man bash to see what files it reads, it should be trivial to verify that they work |
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| 03:13.53 | debianproblems | ivan: do you know who guarantees the security of debian packages? or, in other words, what is the sailsafe protection against the malicious owner of a package who decides to put a backdoor inside it |
| 03:14.03 | debianproblems | failsafe* |
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| 03:16.22 | numbdewd | cryptographic signatures.. we can only hope is legit and sincere, and made apparent by the actual author as intended.. innit.. eh. hmmmh |
| 03:16.42 | ivan | debianproblems: trust relationships and people not wanting to burn their reputation |
| 03:17.01 | numbdewd | "i was hacked, i swear!" |
| 03:17.18 | ivan | of course in some cases a patch may look so incompetent that you can't tell if it was intentional |
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| 03:18.32 | numbdewd | likely corporate or government agent of whatever kind and intentions leaving some backdoor, rather.. "bad code", right. yeah, keep trusting that..! .. :d |
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| 03:20.50 | ealfonso | my debian laptop was seized at the airport upon entry into the US. they forced me to give them my volume encryption passphrase, and they took the laptop away for at least 30 mins |
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| 03:21.02 | ivan | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/10/09/1551240/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003 |
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| 03:21.32 | ivan | ealfonso: welcome to the united states! |
| 03:21.38 | numbdewd | consider it hostile now. any other approach would be naive and possibly very foolish. it's possibly compromised.. live and learn. |
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| 03:22.26 | numbdewd | disks imaged, they've got their psychological profile of u in their archives further extended etc. too, likely.. etc.. be imaginative. ur'e screwed, i mean. =p |
| 03:22.59 | ivan | easy fix: don't carry data into the united states (unless you're a citizen) |
| 03:23.14 | ealfonso | I was a citizen at the time |
| 03:23.25 | ivan | oh, you're not required to give up your password to re-enter then |
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| 03:23.52 | ivan | they might keep the computer, not sure |
| 03:24.11 | ivan | might need probable cause |
| 03:24.22 | numbdewd | isn't such cases why a secondary hidden encrypted partition (or more..:o) are in place for use in the first place..! .. not to trust it all that more either way, but may put off some low-level attackers penetrating some layers at least, given some forethought and tactical preparations to deter further scrutiny that is |
| 03:24.26 | ealfonso | not officially... but there were threats. If I didn't give it up, they may retain my laptop for up to 3 weeks or more |
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| 03:26.17 | numbdewd | hardware having been unsupervised in government custody.. common secure wisdom would be to consider it a hostile entity and irrecoverable as such, a compromised unit and node for which further attacks on ur internal networks could be launched from, thru direct connection or covert tampering with its signaling devices/transmitters (wifi,bluetooth etc. ) for similar puropse of penetrating further |
| 03:27.04 | debianproblems | ealfonso: why was your laptop seized at the airport, why did they force you to give them a password and how did they force you to do it? |
| 03:27.17 | ivan | "do you have any secondary or hidden partitions?" do you want to lie here and maybe get prosecuted later? |
| 03:27.21 | numbdewd | intimidation.. ts how it goes.. -- always. expect. compromise. plan accordingly. ;) don't put all eggs in one basket, be creative |
| 03:27.48 | numbdewd | no, not lie.. u could just make up some explanation which wouldnt include the specifics of its nature without having lied.. Im sure. =] |
| 03:28.04 | debianproblems | ivan: but still, there are thousands of packages and while someone may burn his reputation allowing a commit from a no namer, it'd be a good business if that no namer pays him a million dolars for the task |
| 03:28.26 | numbdewd | also, how could u possibly know of its existance at all to.. malware everywhere these days doing all sorta fancy things.. ure a victim! (in worst case;) |
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| 03:29.20 | ealfonso | debianproblems because they can |
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| 03:29.29 | ivan | debianproblems: if you think about this is a very risky proposition for both the DD and the payer |
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| 03:29.54 | ivan | debianproblems: the DD can take the money, make the commit, undo the commit, donate all the money |
| 03:30.06 | ivan | debianproblems: the payer can get burned by not getting the commit they wanted |
| 03:30.24 | debianproblems | ealfonso: yes but I doubt they have enough human resources to power on every laptop that comes into an airport and look into its hard disk.. so there must be a strong reason for they to do |
| 03:30.27 | ivan | easier and cheaper to find existing exploits (which would only cost like, 30K going by zerodium?) |
| 03:31.07 | ealfonso | I am always referred to secondary when returning to the US, even though I'm a US citizen. this time they held me for 2 hours while my friend waited outside |
| 03:31.09 | ivan | debianproblems: other way around, the DD makes the commit and doesn't get the money, just gets reputation ruined |
| 03:31.29 | ealfonso | debianproblems I must be a terrorist |
| 03:31.55 | annadane | !offtopic |
| 03:31.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:32.06 | debianproblems | ivan: business is based on trust, imagine the developer is someone to be trusted by the payer, and the payer is someone trusted by the developer |
| 03:32.33 | debianproblems | the us government (for example) could have a rootkit in your system thanks to some package, you will never know |
| 03:32.38 | ivan | -> #debian-offtopic (though I will not be joining) |
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| 04:59.04 | decci | I found that https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/issues/98 includes porting WSMAN to OpenSSL 1.1.0 |
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| 05:27.18 | Lady_Aleena | Why doesn't anything on debian just work right out of the box? |
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| 05:28.10 | jelly | !ask |
| 05:28.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:28.57 | Lady_Aleena | Lady_Aleena, jelly, that was a statement in the form of a question. |
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| 05:29.20 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: and it's not suitable for a tech support channel |
| 05:30.07 | jelly | so instead of pointing you towards #debian-offtopic, I'm rather suggesting you ask a REAL question instead. Or three |
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| 05:34.55 | Arahael | Lady_Aleena: What box did you get Debian in? ;) |
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| 05:36.39 | Lady_Aleena | Arahael, took it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:52.35 | miniboxer | Could i have some help, im new to debian and ive read the new user stuff but im still a bit stuck |
| 05:53.00 | jelly | !ask |
| 05:53.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:53.04 | miniboxer | I have no clue if this is the right place |
| 05:53.10 | miniboxer | oh okay cool |
| 05:54.27 | miniboxer | Im attempting to install steam, i got the .deb package from their website and have been trying to use " dpkg -i /home/downloads/steam_latest.deb " and it keeps saying no suck file or directory when it does exist |
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| 05:56.58 | jelly | miniboxer: what does "ls -l /home/downloads/steam_latest.deb" say, are you sure you've copied/typed in the correct path |
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| 05:59.14 | miniboxer | it says ls:cannot access '/home/downloads/steam_latest.deb': No such file or directory |
| 05:59.33 | miniboxer | i mean im pretty sure |
| 05:59.40 | miniboxer | its in my downloads |
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| 06:00.22 | miniboxer | im looking at it right now in /home/downloads |
| 06:00.48 | jelly | miniboxer: how precisely are you looking? what does "echo $HOME" say in a terminal? |
| 06:01.29 | jelly | capitalization is important on Linux, "Downloads" and "downloads" do not point to the same thing |
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| 06:02.29 | miniboxer | okay so i did root this time |
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| 06:02.46 | miniboxer | because when i did echo home it said root |
| 06:02.54 | jelly | so you can't just invent a path and hope it exists; and it's very unlikely your user's $HOME is just /home |
| 06:03.06 | miniboxer | got it |
| 06:03.29 | miniboxer | but now that i added root it says dpkg status database is locked by another process |
| 06:03.50 | miniboxer | so im using dpkg for something else? |
| 06:04.07 | knocktwice | is there a GUI pkg manager running? |
| 06:04.10 | jelly | there's already a different package manager process running, might be dpkg, apt, aptitude, synaptic GUI |
| 06:04.26 | miniboxer | im on the free software thing |
| 06:04.45 | miniboxer | i just got something to install .deb |
| 06:04.54 | miniboxer | because i couldnt figure it out |
| 06:04.57 | jelly | exit from that first, probably |
| 06:05.19 | decci | I have openwsman which points out to old SSL but I want to point it out to SSL 1.1.0 |
| 06:07.21 | jelly | ,v openwsman |
| 06:07.23 | judd | No package named 'openwsman' was found in amd64. |
| 06:07.39 | knocktwice | I'm guessing openswaqn |
| 06:07.44 | knocktwice | er, openswan |
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| 06:08.30 | fredl | hi folks. I've been trying to figure out how libvirtd can be started as root on stretch |
| 06:09.05 | fredl | Would anybody know where it's defined that by default it starts as libvirt-qemu? |
| 06:09.29 | jelly | ,v openswan |
| 06:09.30 | judd | Package: openswan on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 |
| 06:09.46 | jelly | that doesn't look too fresh either |
| 06:10.04 | knocktwice | I've never had luck with s/wan |
| 06:10.18 | jelly | decci: can you type the correct name, and point out where you got it from |
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| 06:10.54 | miniboxer | if i type something to install in the terminal and nothing happens, that doesnt mean that nothing happened right? |
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| 06:11.37 | jelly | miniboxer: it depends. check the exit status right after running the command, "echo $?" |
| 06:11.46 | knocktwice | miniboxer: the result should be clear from the output. What output are you getting? |
| 06:11.59 | miniboxer | i dont get an output |
| 06:12.03 | jelly | miniboxer: many unix commands provide no output when they're successful |
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| 06:12.18 | miniboxer | i did the echo command and it said 2 |
| 06:12.23 | knocktwice | then type "echo $?" and see if it worked. |
| 06:12.33 | knocktwice | ah... that is likely unsuccessful then. |
| 06:12.36 | jelly | miniboxer: anything other than 0 mean failure |
| 06:12.44 | jelly | 0 is success |
| 06:13.03 | knocktwice | what are you using to install software that requires you to examine an exit code? that is not healthy. |
| 06:13.33 | jelly | miniboxer: at that point you get the manual for this command and read what an exit status of 2 means |
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| 06:13.52 | miniboxer | im just following a guide |
| 06:13.58 | miniboxer | i have no idea what to do |
| 06:14.18 | jelly | best start thinking about what you're doing instead of blindly following a recipe |
| 06:15.40 | miniboxer | im installing drivers for my card |
| 06:15.40 | miniboxer | gpu |
| 06:15.40 | miniboxer | i know that but im just typing in commands |
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| 06:15.40 | fredl | hmm actually I think I should rephrase my question... Debian seems to be starting up libvirtd as root, but libvirtd must be starting up qemu's as libvirtd-qemu |
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| 06:16.24 | jelly | miniboxer: which gpu, which drivers, on which debian release? |
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| 06:16.54 | miniboxer | i actually have no clue which debian i have |
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| 06:17.12 | knocktwice | fredl: you are looking to change which 'user' libvirtd is running as? |
| 06:17.13 | miniboxer | actually it started with n |
| 06:17.40 | miniboxer | i have a nividia geforce gtx 980m |
| 06:17.58 | jelly | !nvidia |
| 06:17.58 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:18.10 | knocktwice | miniboxer: 'cat /etc/debian_version' to see what debian you are running. |
| 06:18.19 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 06:18.19 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 06:18.40 | miniboxer | # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade # apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source # apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} # apt-get install nvidia-xconfig |
| 06:18.47 | miniboxer | those are the commands i used |
| 06:18.50 | knocktwice | nvidia? I recommend replacing it with something sane. |
| 06:19.03 | miniboxer | i cant replace it im on a laptop |
| 06:19.07 | jelly | miniboxer: that seems a bit outdated |
| 06:19.19 | decci | jelly: Sure. While installing OpenWSMAN package which I downloaded from wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/openwsman/openwsman_2.4.3-0ubuntu4.1_amd64.deb |
| 06:19.54 | jelly | decci: why are you surprised a package for ubuntu fails to work well on debian |
| 06:20.00 | knocktwice | I stand corrected. openwsman it is. sorry for confusion. |
| 06:20.03 | decci | jelly: It threw dependency for libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) |
| 06:20.26 | decci | jelly: I am not surprised at all...one is unstable branch of Debian :) |
| 06:20.33 | jelly | no, it's no |
| 06:20.37 | jelly | t debian at all |
| 06:20.52 | fredl | jelly :) |
| 06:21.01 | miniboxer | if i read the debian reference ill know how to use debian decently right? |
| 06:21.01 | decci | jelly: Now I already have openssl 1.1.0 installed on my system and dont want to have openssl 1.0.0 |
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| 06:21.41 | fredl | Ubuntu is probably Microsoft's embrace-and-extend weapon |
| 06:21.45 | jelly | decci: it's a different distro, with incompatible binary packages; if you want a piece of software to use a different library release, you will have to build it with that library release, from source |
| 06:21.58 | xz | can Debian handle two displays with different resolutions? |
| 06:22.14 | fredl | and I'm not even really joking. |
| 06:22.58 | jelly | xz: if by "handle" you mean "display a picture" and not "scale every piece of UI correctly based on DPI", yes |
| 06:23.21 | knocktwice | xz: yes, I'm doing it right now. |
| 06:23.41 | xz | jelly: I have some standard HP display (ZR22w) and little unique DELL U3011, most OSes don't recognize U3011 as 2560x1600 so I have to manually add that mode |
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| 06:23.48 | knocktwice | xz: vlc playing a movie on one, chatting via emacs on other. |
| 06:23.55 | xz | jelly: I couldn't get Ubuntu to display full 2560x1600 on U3011 at all |
| 06:24.01 | decci | jelly: I got a patch https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/files/693809/openwsman-2.6.2-openssl-1.1-fix.txt |
| 06:24.11 | xz | jelly: so Ubuntu would display 1920x1080 on both |
| 06:24.12 | decci | https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/issues/98 |
| 06:24.22 | decci | Any idea how shall I apply the same |
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| 06:24.38 | xz | Mac OS X however, did native resolution for both displays right away |
| 06:24.43 | xz | no tinkering at all |
| 06:24.54 | xz | I can give it a shot with Debian |
| 06:25.07 | xz | but I would expect problems with graphics card driver initially (non-free) |
| 06:25.15 | xz | and then problems with U3011 native resolution |
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| 06:25.39 | jelly | xz: it helps if the gpu driver can detect EDID (modes from the monitor) correctly, for a start |
| 06:25.42 | xz | what's the best path to get there? any particular debian version (8 v 9) ? any particular window manager? |
| 06:26.05 | xz | jelly: I've never gotten Linux to do that unfortunatelly |
| 06:26.41 | xz | jelly: I tried Ubuntu recently (16.04) and fedora some 1-2 years ago |
| 06:27.08 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 06:27.09 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 06:27.11 | jelly | miniboxer: ^^ |
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| 06:28.30 | jelly | xz: try the latest ubuntu or fedora or debian, then, see if there's any difference |
| 06:28.53 | xz | jelly: tried 16.04 already, I think I grew up out of fedora, I can give it a shot with debian |
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| 06:29.03 | xz | jelly: I just don't want to spend 2 days again fighting with that |
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| 06:29.12 | miniboxer | what does this do? # echo "penguin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 06:29.18 | jelly | xz: 16.04 is LTS and will not have the latest versions of xorg stack stuff |
| 06:29.20 | xz | jelly: especially knowing that Mac (unix based!) can do that automaticaly |
| 06:29.33 | xz | jelly: so 17.xx ? |
| 06:29.38 | fredl | So... I wonder if the user/groupname that libvirtd uses to start qemu is actually compiled in |
| 06:29.52 | jelly | xz: 17.10 is current short-term release I think |
| 06:30.08 | xz | jelly: is there better luck if I try gnome vs kde? |
| 06:30.12 | fredl | there are still remnants of documentation that say in qemu.conf you can specify user and group |
| 06:31.14 | jelly | miniboxer: it adds permissions for a single user named "penguin" to use "sudo" tool, in a rather fragile way |
| 06:31.33 | miniboxer | alright just making sure |
| 06:31.40 | miniboxer | im reading the debian reference |
| 06:31.55 | miniboxer | thank you |
| 06:31.58 | jelly | miniboxer: on debian, you might want just add a user to the sudo group instead |
| 06:32.18 | miniboxer | yeah thats what i did for my user |
| 06:32.19 | jelly | adduser usernamehere sudo |
| 06:32.34 | jelly | then log off and back on to make the change active |
| 06:32.40 | miniboxer | i did # usermod |
| 06:32.45 | miniboxer | or something like that |
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| 06:33.12 | jelly | usermod -a -G sudo usernamehere ? |
| 06:33.31 | miniboxer | usermod -aG sudo usernamehere |
| 06:33.38 | jelly | right |
| 06:33.47 | miniboxer | ye |
| 06:33.59 | jelly | short options can often be concatenated like that |
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| 06:34.27 | jelly | ls -l -a -d = ls -lad = ls -ald |
| 06:34.44 | miniboxer | shorthand op |
| 06:34.55 | knocktwice | not always, but usually, that works. |
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| 06:35.17 | miniboxer | Is vim the best text editor right now? |
| 06:35.35 | miniboxer | i kinda want to learn to use a good text editor |
| 06:35.41 | knocktwice | miniboxer: you are dangerously close to setting off a holy war. |
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| 06:35.49 | miniboxer | i dont mean to |
| 06:35.57 | knocktwice | vim is a good start. I also use emacs and nano |
| 06:36.12 | miniboxer | ive heard that text editors can help you type faster |
| 06:36.36 | miniboxer | they have shortcuts and stuff |
| 06:36.39 | knocktwice | it depends on what you want from your text editor. |
| 06:36.51 | miniboxer | what can i get |
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| 06:37.15 | knocktwice | the text editor that is nearly always available is vi (not same as vim) |
| 06:37.41 | miniboxer | what do you mean available? arent they all available? |
| 06:37.44 | knocktwice | nano is almost always available as well. |
| 06:37.58 | knocktwice | by available, "installed by default". |
| 06:38.08 | miniboxer | oh okay |
| 06:38.10 | foul_owl | How do I preseed wifi ssid and psk? Thanks! |
| 06:38.11 | knocktwice | I mean, sit down at a unix system and you can use vi. |
| 06:38.26 | miniboxer | so i should learn to use vi |
| 06:38.51 | knocktwice | miniboxer: OOoh! one moment, there's a really good tutorial. |
| 06:39.14 | miniboxer | what do you mean what i want from a text editor |
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| 06:39.28 | miniboxer | ive heard you can type things faster with them |
| 06:39.42 | knocktwice | does 'vimtutor' do anything for you? |
| 06:39.54 | DerLGm | miniboxer: different editors have their advantages |
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| 06:40.15 | miniboxer | it doesnt many things to me |
| 06:40.41 | miniboxer | So like what does nano specialize vs vi/vim? |
| 06:41.05 | knocktwice | nano makes it easy to do simple things. |
| 06:41.17 | knocktwice | even windows users can use nano |
| 06:42.05 | knocktwice | (nano comes from pine, which stands for 'pine is not elm', an even earlier editing interface) |
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| 06:42.30 | knocktwice | but not as early as vi, which stands for 'visual' as it was a step up from the line-mode editor 'ed' |
| 06:43.03 | miniboxer | so do any text editors help you type faster? |
| 06:43.14 | knocktwice | which is why vi has two modes: moving and editing. editing was done similar to 'ed', but you could actually move around... nifty! |
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| 06:43.32 | jelly | https://vim-adventures.com/ ! |
| 06:43.34 | jelly | hides |
| 06:43.57 | knocktwice | miniboxer: type faster? My typing speed depends more on the context of the content rather than the editor itself. |
| 06:44.34 | knocktwice | If I edit C, emacs is more effective. If I make changes to configuration files, vim is faster. |
| 06:45.30 | knocktwice | I have written C in vim, and edited configuration files in emacs, so... <shrug> |
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| 06:46.18 | miniboxer | uh so let start from the beginning |
| 06:46.26 | miniboxer | why use a text editor |
| 06:46.42 | knocktwice | you seek to create/modify text |
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| 06:47.24 | miniboxer | so then notepad would work right? |
| 06:47.34 | miniboxer | why all these editors with different names |
| 06:47.50 | knocktwice | notepad would work (in most cases). |
| 06:47.59 | miniboxer | why are they different, how are they different, why not just use notpad |
| 06:48.07 | knocktwice | it depends on the type of editing you are attempting to do. |
| 06:48.35 | knocktwice | When I am creating text, I prefer emacs. If I am making small changes to existing text, I use vi. |
| 06:49.02 | miniboxer | why? |
| 06:49.15 | miniboxer | why is emacs better for creating and vi better for small edits? |
| 06:50.30 | knocktwice | I feel like emacs is the big guns. I can do so much with it. I can have many open buffers and manipulate them easily. |
| 06:50.49 | knocktwice | vi is more like a surgical tool. I can get in, get the thing done, get out. |
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| 06:51.01 | miniboxer | alright so i want to learn vi and emacs then :) |
| 06:51.08 | knocktwice | yay! |
| 06:51.11 | knocktwice | yes, learn both |
| 06:51.25 | knocktwice | you will be better off from learning both. |
| 06:51.58 | miniboxer | alright so should i use jellys vim adventures and what for emacs? |
| 06:52.15 | knocktwice | I used emacs for 20 years, ignoring vi. Then I finally learned vi, and used it exclusively for 6 months. Now I use both interchangeably. |
| 06:52.43 | miniboxer | damn thats a long time |
| 06:53.19 | knocktwice | run emacs, press C-h, t |
| 06:53.25 | knocktwice | that is ^h t |
| 06:53.36 | jelly | and often you won't have a notepad available, just whatever text editor on whatever broken remote system |
| 06:53.44 | knocktwice | that is short for control-h (help) then t for tutorial |
| 06:54.24 | knocktwice | jelly: right! so learn vi and emacs, and trust that you can figure out nano on the fly if you have to. |
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| 06:54.41 | miniboxer | what do you guys do for a living if i may ask? |
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| 06:55.01 | miniboxer | it has to be cs related right? |
| 06:55.11 | knocktwice | I do embedded linux. |
| 06:55.24 | knocktwice | working on a high-accuracy clock, at the moment. |
| 06:55.31 | abff | knock three times! |
| 06:55.47 | miniboxer | thats cool |
| 06:56.35 | knocktwice | we're down to about 10ppb accuracy. |
| 06:57.12 | miniboxer | wait how fucking accurate is that clock |
| 06:57.29 | miniboxer | thats crazy |
| 06:57.37 | knocktwice | like I said, 10ppb. +/- 10ns |
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| 06:58.42 | miniboxer | is there a goal or is it just lets see how accurate we can get? |
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| 06:59.10 | knocktwice | there's a goal for each product family, but always trying to improve, yeah? |
| 06:59.17 | miniboxer | yeah |
| 06:59.37 | miniboxer | how do i open a text editor |
| 06:59.54 | knocktwice | try: nano, or vi, or emacs |
| 07:00.27 | knocktwice | that assumes you've opened a console window first. |
| 07:00.35 | miniboxer | that works thank you |
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| 07:04.23 | miniboxer | how do i make a shortcut to open the terminal |
| 07:04.33 | miniboxer | like is there a terminal command to open another terminal |
| 07:04.51 | miniboxer | so that i can have it input that commant when i hit ctrl-t |
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| 07:04.56 | knocktwice | miniboxer: you could do 'xterm &' |
| 07:05.02 | ivan | miniboxer: maybe you just want a terminal with tabs? |
| 07:05.36 | miniboxer | no i want a shortcut to open a terminal |
| 07:05.37 | knocktwice | ^ |
| 07:05.42 | miniboxer | when theres no terminal open |
| 07:05.48 | knocktwice | what kind of shortcut? |
| 07:05.53 | knocktwice | just an icon you can click on? |
| 07:05.54 | abff | miniboxer what wm or desktop do you use? |
| 07:06.06 | miniboxer | Whatever this auto installed with |
| 07:06.15 | miniboxer | i have no clue, it looks nice though |
| 07:06.25 | knocktwice | is it debian? |
| 07:06.27 | miniboxer | i want a hotkey |
| 07:06.31 | miniboxer | it is debian |
| 07:06.44 | miniboxer | it starts with a n |
| 07:06.56 | abff | there are several flavours a debian installers, with a few different desktop environments |
| 07:07.00 | knocktwice | 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
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| 07:07.34 | knocktwice | but that still won't tell us what window manager and desktop you are using. |
| 07:08.06 | miniboxer | 9.2 |
| 07:08.33 | abff | for example if I am using i3 as my window manager I set a keyboard shortcut in my i3 config file to exec a terminal emulator |
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| 07:08.52 | miniboxer | its blue and greenish with a swirl |
| 07:08.53 | abff | but I'm sure you're using something more sophisticated, check your settings |
| 07:08.59 | miniboxer | idk if the background matters |
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| 07:09.26 | miniboxer | im using gnome 3.22.2 |
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| 07:09.38 | knocktwice | Aha! that helps. |
| 07:10.04 | knocktwice | except... I don't use gnome, but I'm sure someone here does. |
| 07:10.42 | miniboxer | idk i like the terminal so i use ctrl+altf3 a good amount |
| 07:10.53 | miniboxer | and its nice becasue i switch back quickly |
| 07:11.00 | miniboxer | i can switch back quickly |
| 07:11.57 | abff | just go into settings > keyboard > custom shortcuts |
| 07:11.58 | abff | and add one |
| 07:12.15 | miniboxer | but whats the command to open a terminal |
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| 07:12.23 | miniboxer | i was doing that but it needs a command |
| 07:12.32 | abff | what ever terminal you like |
| 07:12.41 | miniboxer | what |
| 07:12.52 | knocktwice | miniboxer: try 'xterm' |
| 07:13.04 | abff | well a terminal in the context of an x window manager would just be a terminal emulator |
| 07:13.13 | miniboxer | okay |
| 07:13.16 | abff | xterm is an example of one but you could use anything from gnome-terminal to terminator |
| 07:13.50 | knocktwice | miniboxer: yes, listen to abff. there are many out there. xterm is the oldest and crustiest. |
| 07:14.18 | miniboxer | i cant actually read the xterm window |
| 07:14.29 | abff | the gnome-terminal is a pretty fancy new one, once you get to know what you like you'll discover others |
| 07:14.34 | miniboxer | its too small |
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| 07:14.48 | abff | in that setting change xterm to gnome-terminal |
| 07:14.53 | abff | you won't have to configure it that much |
| 07:14.59 | miniboxer | alright cool |
| 07:15.14 | decci | Any idea how can I test the attached patch https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/issues/98 |
| 07:15.16 | miniboxer | i have an extremely high rez monitor so the text in xterm was tiny |
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| 07:15.55 | abff | miniboxer that is configurable, but it's configuring it is probably beyond your knowledge and gnome-terminal will have a nice menu system for you to click at |
| 07:17.09 | miniboxer | completely beyond my knowledge i still gotta read the debian reference |
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| 07:17.28 | miniboxer | my next question is compilers |
| 07:17.35 | abff | hey man don't worry about it, it all comes with time, I still suck at bash |
| 07:17.53 | miniboxer | yeah, true |
| 07:17.59 | miniboxer | but where do i get compilers |
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| 07:18.39 | ivan | miniboxer: apt install build-essential? |
| 07:18.52 | ivan | well, depends on what you want to compile |
| 07:18.56 | abff | the debian software repository is accessed by the apt program |
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| 07:19.29 | abff | anything in the repository can be downloaded using apt, or if you like a big list of things to sort through, check out aptitude |
| 07:20.43 | miniboxer | you know a good scheme compiler? |
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| 07:20.54 | knocktwice | miniboxer: yes, be patient. you will learn a ton of stuff, but it comes with spending time with the tools. |
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| 07:21.50 | abff | miniboxer are you using this for school? a scheme IDE might be more appropriate and easier to get started with, when I was in uni we used drscheme |
| 07:22.15 | abff | but I don't think that's around anymore |
| 07:22.15 | miniboxer | its hobby |
| 07:22.20 | miniboxer | im teaching myself cs |
| 07:22.35 | miniboxer | i got a bunch of books |
| 07:22.40 | knocktwice | miniboxer: much more effective than asking someone else to teach you. |
| 07:22.58 | knocktwice | just get in there and do it. |
| 07:23.09 | miniboxer | yeah |
| 07:23.20 | knocktwice | you will find problems and as you solve them, you learn. |
| 07:23.36 | knocktwice | that's how you did it with other computer systems. |
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| 07:30.46 | miniboxer | abff how do i change the text size on my full screen console |
| 07:30.56 | miniboxer | or knocktwice |
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| 07:31.26 | knocktwice | depends on your choice of terminal emulator. |
| 07:31.39 | ivan | ctrl minus, plus/equals? |
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| 07:31.56 | knocktwice | On mine, I have edit->preferences |
| 07:32.25 | miniboxer | im talking about the none gui console |
| 07:32.37 | ivan | the linux text VT? |
| 07:32.42 | knocktwice | Oh, that's much trickier. |
| 07:32.53 | knocktwice | how did you reach a non-gui console? |
| 07:33.06 | miniboxer | ctrl + alt + f2 |
| 07:33.10 | miniboxer | f3* |
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| 07:33.24 | miniboxer | its f2 to go back to gui |
| 07:33.41 | ivan | sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 07:33.51 | knocktwice | ^ |
| 07:34.36 | miniboxer | so a pretty big list just came up |
| 07:35.11 | miniboxer | i should choose UTF-8 right? |
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| 07:35.38 | ivan | yes |
| 07:35.50 | tdn | I get a lot of messages like these in syslog: dhcpd[1332]: unexpected ICMP Echo Reply from 4.2.2.2 <- Any cause for worry? Should I just ignore these in my logwatch script? Or do I need to fix something? I do not understand why dhcpd gets pings from public IPs. Should only be present on LAN. |
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| 07:36.44 | ivan | tdn: you might have something that is (misconfigured) to use Level 3's DNS server 4.2.2.2 |
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| 07:36.51 | miniboxer | do i choose latin 1, 2, 3, or 7 |
| 07:37.21 | ivan | tdn: oh yeah network-manager or dhcpd might ping a DNS resolver to see if your internet is up |
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| 07:37.29 | tdn | ivan, I may have something that uses that DNS server but why does that affect DHCP server? |
| 07:38.23 | miniboxer | english is a western european language right? |
| 07:38.41 | miniboxer | im pretty sure it is |
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| 07:38.47 | tdn | ivan, oh, so dhcpd itself (the server, not the client) may ping 4.2.2.2? I see this message for other public IPs as well. |
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| 07:39.49 | miniboxer | @knocktwice what console font do you use? |
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| 07:41.44 | ivan | tdn: oh, now I have no idea, sorry |
| 07:42.29 | knocktwice | miniboxer: i have no idea. Whatever Debian came with. It's worked, I've had no reason to examine it. |
| 07:43.14 | knocktwice | as with everything, I could tear it down to the individual bits that comprise it, but it's really not worth the time. |
| 07:43.44 | ivan | https://marc.info/?l=dhcp-server&m=107772517728233 |
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| 07:49.06 | rnix | hi, when i call systemctl hibernate in stretch, the system fails to come back up. however, if i put the system to sleep via lockscreen's pause button resume works fine. anyone knows what gets called by gnome here? |
| 07:49.48 | rnix | i need to be able to put the system to sleep via script |
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| 07:51.03 | knocktwice | no answer for you, but I feel the pain. sleep = death for my desktop, thanks to nvidia |
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| 07:52.17 | rnix | i guess there's some message sent to dbus, dunno. anyway it would be great if systemctl hibernate just works. but for now i'd be happy to know what gnome does here |
| 07:52.23 | rnix | via gnome it works fine |
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| 07:53.12 | likcoras | rnix: suspend, not hibernate. |
| 07:53.35 | likcoras | Does that work? |
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| 07:53.45 | rnix | likcoras: iirc i tried that one as well and it failed the same way |
| 07:53.57 | rnix | let me double check |
| 07:53.58 | likcoras | Welp. |
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| 07:59.30 | rnix | likcoras: ok, suspend did it (this time). will check further, if suspend is reliable i'll stick to it. anyway, it seems to be a common problem that STD not works that well... |
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| 08:13.48 | superlinux | i need help. i am trying to apply the jdk9 shell script in the last reply in this article. and I am getting and error on line 8 of the script. so I am confused whether this is really bash or not. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=876426 |
| 08:13.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/876426 in java-package (open): «java-package: Add support for Java 9»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-09-22; last modified: 2017-10-23. |
| 08:14.14 | superlinux | all I want is install jdk9 correctly. |
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| 09:01.14 | arkadefr | hey! (not sure I'm in the right chan for this question) I'm setting up some VMs on KVM with libvirt, and I'm facing an error when creating a new domain: "ERROR internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: ((null):1783): Spice-Warning **: reds.c:2530:reds_init_socket: listen: Address already in use" . I can only run one VM at a time because it tries to pop a new Spice instance every time. I |
| 09:01.16 | arkadefr | don't understand quite well the behavior. |
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| 09:13.03 | gaurishankar | hello everyone |
| 09:13.47 | gaurishankar | I upgraded my Jessie server to stretch and now getting an error LVMETAD error falling back to device scanning |
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| 09:14.00 | gaurishankar | what is this error and how to stop it |
| 09:14.19 | gaurishankar | can any one help me |
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| 09:17.16 | gaurishankar | can any on ehelp me |
| 09:17.28 | gaurishankar | to get rid of LVMETAD error |
| 09:18.16 | kopper | Does it cause problems? Are you able to boot? |
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| 09:20.34 | gaurishankar | yes |
| 09:20.46 | gaurishankar | i am able to boot and use the system |
| 09:20.57 | gaurishankar | but it is irritating message while system boots |
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| 09:21.32 | gaurishankar | kopper I am able to boot |
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| 09:24.33 | kopper | You can ignore it if it doesn't cause problems. |
| 09:25.06 | kopper | You could also try to disable lvmetad in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
| 09:25.38 | gaurishankar | after disabling what do i have to use initramfs |
| 09:25.57 | kopper | By setting use_lvmetad = 0. Though you might need something additional like update-initramfs to make it effective |
| 09:26.15 | gaurishankar | I mean I should change the status 1 to status 0 in use_lvmetad |
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| 09:26.30 | kopper | 0 is disabled |
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| 09:26.48 | gaurishankar | it is 1 currently |
| 09:28.06 | gaurishankar | Kopper it will not cause any harm if I change the status = o and use initiramfs |
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| 09:28.47 | kopper | Probably, since you need to use 0 as in zero, not a character o |
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| 09:29.18 | gaurishankar | yes the number 0 |
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| 09:30.37 | gaurishankar | kopper whats is the correct syntax of initramfs |
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| 09:32.23 | kopper | I would use update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u |
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| 09:32.49 | gaurishankar | uname ??? |
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| 09:33.23 | gaurishankar | it is to be used as the same sysntax |
| 09:33.28 | gaurishankar | i mean syntax |
| 09:33.28 | kopper | Your current kernel version in use |
| 09:33.51 | kopper | What are you asking |
| 09:34.07 | gaurishankar | uname to be replaced by current kernel version |
| 09:34.41 | kopper | Command I gave you fills your current kernel version for -k |
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| 09:34.55 | kopper | If you want, you can type it out yourself |
| 09:34.55 | gaurishankar | allright |
| 09:35.11 | gaurishankar | thanks kopoer |
| 09:35.16 | gaurishankar | i will try the same |
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| 09:35.30 | kopper | Np |
| 09:35.36 | SirLagz | hmmm...I've managed to drag a panl up in XFCE...no idea how to drag it back down =/ |
| 09:35.52 | SirLagz | ahh, there's the handle to drag it |
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| 09:41.38 | jer0me | Using debian stable w/latest bpo kernel on a macbook 11,1, after an abnormal shutdown USB (xhci) seems messed up (timeout while waiting for setup command, device not accepting address). The consequence is mostly the sd card reader not working and the eventual "death" (HC died) of the whole usb controller. I have tried to reboot into macos/recovery to "clean up" the eventual garbage but the problem remains. |
| 09:41.44 | jer0me | Any idea? |
| 09:42.43 | jer0me | (I don't use any boot options / modprobe.d tweaks or quirks) |
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| 09:57.16 | plasmoduck | jer0me, MacBooks and Apple hardware in general have special power and cooling requirements that Linux doesn't fully satisfy, you will damange your hardware. Just stick to MacOS, if you want to run Linux, buy a PC. |
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| 10:20.49 | Iridos | judd, versions libreoffice |
| 10:20.50 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1; stretch-backports: 1:5.4.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1:5.4.2-3; sid: 1:5.4.3-3 |
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| 10:47.53 | fredl | some packages have this, others don't |
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| 11:08.15 | rnix | hi, any idea why my script in /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep is ignored when suspending/resuming the system on stretch? |
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| 11:14.51 | rnix | ok, just found out script at /lib/systemd/system-sleep are executed. is it safe to place files there? |
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| 11:15.09 | rnix | or is there a dedicated "overlay" for custom scripts? |
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| 11:16.28 | decci | Any idea how shall I apply patch which is mentioned under https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/issues/98 |
| 11:17.02 | decci | https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/files/693809/openwsman-2.6.2-openssl-1.1-fix.txt |
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| 11:28.38 | LiuYan | decci: that looks like a .diff file, and you can use `patch` command to apply it |
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| 11:29.17 | decci | LiuYan: I downloaded https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman/archive/v2.6.4.tar.gz |
| 11:29.42 | decci | LiuYan: Untar it, then mkdir build && cd build |
| 11:29.47 | decci | LiuYan: cmake .. |
| 11:29.52 | decci | LiuYan: make |
| 11:30.06 | decci | LiuYan: and I encountered issue with X509 error |
| 11:30.16 | decci | LiuYan: How shall I patch it? |
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| 11:30.48 | petn-randall | !openswan |
| 11:30.48 | dpkg | Openswan is an <IPsec> implementation for Linux kernels, forked from <freeswan>. Install the openswan package to provide Openswan IPsec utilities. As Debian stock kernels have IPsec (NETKEY, aka 26sec) and crypto support enabled, the openswan-modules-source or linux-patch-openswan packages are only necessary for KLIPS use. http://wiki.openswan.org/ http://www.openswan.org/ #openswan on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:31.01 | petn-randall | decci: You might have better luck asking in their channel, see above. ^^^ |
| 11:31.45 | decci | LiuYan: https://pastebin.com/1PXEBWmF |
| 11:32.14 | decci | petn-randall: openswan is different from openwsman |
| 11:32.37 | petn-randall | decci: Oh, I thought it was a typo! :) |
| 11:33.03 | decci | petn-randall: no problem |
| 11:33.48 | LiuYan | decci: sorry, i don't know if you should or should not patch it. /me thought your question is about "how to apply it" |
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| 11:35.23 | Robby | people still use openswan? I thought strongswan was the goto *swan in recent years |
| 11:35.53 | petn-randall | Robby: openwsman != openswan |
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| 11:36.29 | Robby | ah, right |
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| 11:40.43 | swen32 | *with my local .config ? |
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| 11:48.24 | drbw | hi! is 1 Ghz / 512 MB RAM enough for a debian stable server providing a low-load test network with routing / nat, dns, dhcp, iptables firewall, ldap and kerberos? it would only have to be able to run the services at all plus a small bit of room for movement, there are just a handful of machines in there. |
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| 11:48.36 | petn-randall | swen32: sure |
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| 11:49.18 | jelly | drbw: probably is. |
| 11:49.36 | petn-randall | drbw: What does this part mean: "plus a small bit of room for movement, there are just a handful of machines in there." |
| 11:49.42 | drbw | jelly, thanks! it's virtual anyway so I can reallocate, just wanted to be in the right ballpark |
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| 11:50.17 | swen32 | petn-randall thanks |
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| 11:50.56 | drbw | petn-randall, "small bit of movement" = "not _completely_ idle". "only run the services" could mean nobody would query any of them. |
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| 11:58.55 | petn-randall | drbw: So if I understand correctly, this Debian VM is just one of several VMs on that host? One CPU and 512 MB RAM should be enough for those services, I think. If you plan to run something like FreeIPA for ldap/kerberos, maybe not, though, since it's quite Java-heavy. |
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| 12:00.05 | jelly | I was assuming slapd. |
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| 12:21.49 | drbw | petn-randall, sorry, missed the notification. thanks for the educated guess - I won't be using FreeIPA until I can comfortably set up ldap + kerberos from the cli, so that won't be a problem, either. |
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| 12:35.47 | petn-randall | drbw: I'd say FreeIPA overblown for a small test setup of ldap, but it does pay off it you have a large kerberos setup to deploy, or want to manage a large network with DNS/ldap/kerberos. |
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| 12:38.34 | drbw | petn-randall, yeah it looks very interesting for larger environments |
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| 12:41.11 | nicoasPL[m] | how using uefi? |
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| 13:05.34 | intelligentalien | we all blow farts |
| 13:05.38 | intelligentalien | some louder than others |
| 13:05.48 | intelligentalien | but at the end of the day, a fart is still a fart. |
| 13:05.57 | intelligentalien | and i do not like farts. |
| 13:06.05 | intelligentalien | so when i fart, i set it on fire |
| 13:06.16 | intelligentalien | then, and only then, it ceases to be a fart |
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| 13:07.17 | intelligentalien | niiiiggggggggerrrrssss |
| 13:07.22 | intelligentalien | nigggggers |
| 13:07.29 | Iridos | !ops intelligentalien |
| 13:07.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: iridos complains about a problem (see above) |
| 13:07.34 | intelligentalien | !ops nigggers |
| 13:07.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: intelligentalien complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 13:09.31 | Iridos | hm, I switched to libreoffice from backports⦠but encounter problems with it. Now I can't go back with apt-get install -t stretch libreoffice, because dependencies with higher version number than allowed are installed |
| 13:09.38 | Iridos | what's the cleanest way to get that resolved |
| 13:09.57 | Iridos | retaining autoinstalled packages |
| 13:10.07 | intelligentalien | Iridos: you can't |
| 13:10.13 | intelligentalien | only a negro can do that |
| 13:10.19 | intelligentalien | you should buy a niggger |
| 13:10.32 | Iridos | oh, there's an --allow-downgrades |
| 13:10.33 | rafalcpp | intelligentalien: at that point clean system reinstall would be easier |
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| 13:10.41 | intelligentalien | lol |
| 13:10.44 | intelligentalien | your mom is a nigger |
| 13:11.05 | Iridos | were you confusing us or making fun of him |
| 13:11.15 | Iridos | and if you were confusing us, no, it wouldn't |
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| 13:11.25 | Iridos | that's silly |
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| 13:15.58 | Iridos | oh, I can remove the packages that are in /var/log/apt/history.log and then just install the metapackage again |
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| 13:31.50 | Iridos | dpkg, package downgrade is <reply> If you upgraded a single (meta-)package and its several dependencies to e.g. backports, probably the easiest way to go back is to uninstall or even purge the packages that were installed (which can be found in /var/log/apt/history.log), then install the (meta-) package again from e.g. stable repositories. Purging will remove all system configuration, which would prevent some problems from upgraded config files. |
| 13:31.52 | dpkg | okay, Iridos |
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| 13:40.00 | colo-work | is there a way to run an interactive d-i session, and have a preseed file generated from the answers that were chosen? |
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| 13:46.30 | Nothing4You | is there an "official" way to use firefox quantum on debian? |
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| 13:47.14 | gpunk | yes |
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| 13:48.00 | Nothing4You | using apt? |
| 13:48.41 | gpunk | yes, It is in the repos for SID |
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| 13:50.17 | gpunk | are you sure it is not in stretch repos ? |
| 13:50.31 | gpunk | try to install firefox instead of firefox-esr |
| 13:50.50 | gpunk | i dont have a stretch off hand right now so i cant confiirm |
| 13:52.11 | gpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.17 | Nothing4You | stretch has firefox juts as a virtual package |
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| 13:53.51 | Nothing4You | there's also https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=817954 |
| 13:53.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/817954 in src:firefox (open): «Keep Firefox out of Debian releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-03-12; last modified: 2016-05-21. |
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| 13:54.30 | kopper | Nothing4You: Maybe not official but here's some ideas http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=135422&sid=6f02119ad55b1383e6c6a9087f187d3d |
| 13:54.39 | Nothing4You | This is a placeholder RC bug to prevent Firefox from entering testing and making it to a Debian release. Debian cannot support Firefox in stable, this is why there is a firefox-esr package, following the ESR upstream releases, which is what we support for Debian stable. |
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| 13:55.31 | kopper | Here's another one http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=135420 |
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| 13:57.32 | gpunk | or ofcourse ... https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
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| 13:59.27 | Nothing4You | i was mainly hoping for a way that would not include sid stuff and not rely on user-level installation |
| 13:59.35 | Nothing4You | i guess that's what it'll have to be though |
| 14:00.39 | gpunk | life is a b*tch ... |
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| 14:19.56 | simbalion | Is virtualbox broken in stretch? |
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| 14:22.15 | tremolo | It's working for me, but I think I'm using virtualbox's repo. |
| 14:23.31 | petn-randall | simbalion: It shouldn't, and if it is, it is an RC bug that needs to get fixed. But rather than asking vague questions, tell us about your actual problem. |
| 14:23.34 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 14:23.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:24.47 | gpunk | simbalion it s broken for new kernels |
| 14:25.05 | simbalion | hrm, I've got a virtualbox.list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d but when I do apt-cache policy it doesn't show that repo it only shows stretch-backports, unstable and testing |
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| 14:25.46 | simbalion | gpunk: could you be more specific? Which kernel versions? I'm using 4.9.0-3-amd64 |
| 14:26.21 | tremolo | I'm on 4.9.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:26.26 | MrKeuner | hi, x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser are set to chromium but clicking some links open in iceweasel, how can I fix that? |
| 14:26.34 | gpunk | as I recall since 4.13 or 4.12 virtualbox crashes at boot |
| 14:26.40 | MrKeuner | Jessie, here |
| 14:26.52 | gpunk | with 4.9.0-4-amd64 you are supposed to be fine |
| 14:27.10 | MrKeuner | Some links as in links in Zim for instance |
| 14:27.27 | MrKeuner | Could it be hardcoded in Zim somewhere? |
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| 14:27.37 | gpunk | the issue was noted vagely on virtualbox website |
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| 14:28.25 | Neo1 | hi! |
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| 14:29.15 | Neo1 | I want to try debian for learning shell scripting, but I read in internet and there is written it's old OS? |
| 14:29.38 | gpunk | it s the oldest distro |
| 14:29.48 | gpunk | hence the more stable and mature |
| 14:29.53 | petn-randall | It's not the oldest distro ... |
| 14:30.00 | mspo | isn't slackware the original distro? |
| 14:30.02 | gpunk | about |
| 14:30.03 | Neo1 | I tried ubuntu, but that lags always and can't install on virtual machine additional image |
| 14:30.16 | mspo | Neo1: what OS are you on right now? |
| 14:30.19 | rudi_s | Neo1: It's true that the packages in Debian stable can sometimes be older than in other distributions, but most of the time you don't need the latest version anyway and it provides a more stable experience. |
| 14:30.25 | rudi_s | Also see !snss |
| 14:30.30 | rudi_s | !snss |
| 14:30.30 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 14:30.49 | Neo1 | mspo: windows 10 and second ubuntu, but I'll use 10, because ubuntu is very slow if compare |
| 14:30.57 | Neo1 | and lags always |
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| 14:31.03 | mspo | Neo1: and you want to learn bourne shell scripting? |
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| 14:31.04 | petn-randall | Neo1: Sounds like it's not properly configured. |
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| 14:32.08 | Neo1 | mspo: yes, want install to virtualBox, run, read book and in terminal write scripts, but I need customize VPS |
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| 14:32.21 | Neo1 | install LAMP and node.js at first |
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| 14:32.29 | mspo | Neo1: have you considered using cygwin instead? |
| 14:32.37 | simbalion | I installed using the .deb from the virtualbox website and that worked |
| 14:32.54 | Neo1 | mspo: it's not OS |
| 14:33.04 | mspo | LAMP + Node also work perfectly fine on windows |
| 14:33.08 | mspo | fwiw |
| 14:33.09 | Neo1 | mspo: I want real OS that is installed on VPS |
| 14:33.18 | mspo | Neo1: so spin one up in amazon |
| 14:33.22 | gpunk | lamp on windows is calld wamp |
| 14:33.40 | Neo1 | I have WAMP, I need LAMP on VPS |
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| 14:33.50 | gpunk | use debian |
| 14:33.59 | mspo | Neo1: console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/ |
| 14:34.12 | mspo | Neo1: look for the debian image (software for the common good) |
| 14:34.17 | mspo | Neo1: and start it up |
| 14:34.24 | Neo1 | VPS is remote computer where will install OS that I'll manage use SSH, it's for those who don't know |
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| 14:35.09 | mspo | Neo1: put cygwin/putty/securecrt/whatever on your windows box, ssh to your ec2 system, startup vim and start learning :) |
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| 14:35.19 | Neo1 | mspo: I bought digitalocen hosting and want put there OS |
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| 14:35.33 | mspo | okay then do that |
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| 14:35.55 | mspo | what OS does DO give you? |
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| 14:37.49 | Neo1 | mspo: I'll install this http://prntscr.com/hgd4dz |
| 14:38.00 | Neo1 | is 9 stable version? |
| 14:38.06 | gpunk | yup |
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| 14:38.14 | mspo | okay |
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| 14:39.17 | Neo1 | ok, if set up to virtual box normally, will use |
| 14:39.38 | Neo1 | I read people say ubuntu is better? Is it true? |
| 14:39.50 | Neo1 | in debian old apps |
| 14:40.09 | mspo | Neo1: you keep jumping around |
| 14:40.24 | mspo | virtualbox, digital ocean, ubuntu, debian |
| 14:40.32 | mspo | you don't know enough to make any of these judgements |
| 14:40.35 | mspo | so just pick something and do it |
| 14:40.50 | Neo1 | just all this lags, can't customize, only windows 10 works fast and stable now |
| 14:41.02 | mspo | oh, also your local laptop |
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| 14:41.12 | Neo1 | I'm not guilty that around many shits.... |
| 14:41.26 | mspo | just login to your DO box and start typing |
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| 14:41.30 | mspo | right now you're just wasting a bunch of time |
| 14:41.40 | Neo1 | mspo: see how my windows 10 work http://prntscr.com/hgd6k4 |
| 14:42.15 | Neo1 | mspo: open many apps and it work very very fast, ubuntu hanging when a few programs open and I notice it |
| 14:42.43 | mspo | <shrug> |
| 14:43.00 | mspo | none of that matters |
| 14:43.03 | Neo1 | really windows 10 is cool know |
| 14:43.09 | mspo | then keep using it |
| 14:43.18 | klys | i can run w10 in a kvm vm and have it take over graphics, except it requires a usb serial dongle to boot. |
| 14:43.28 | Neo1 | I keep, just for server must learn some lunux OS |
| 14:44.05 | Neo1 | who was trying windows 10? It's now really very fast |
| 14:45.25 | Neo1 | I thought ubuntu will fly, my comp i5 and ssd dick, but no. Make inferences, windows 10 is very good optimized now |
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| 14:45.57 | tw | How does this relate to debian support? |
| 14:46.10 | klys | neo1, there is a channel for w10 at ##windows |
| 14:46.53 | Neo1 | klys: I don't need windows support, they did perfect product, and I wholly satisfied |
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| 14:46.55 | mspo | Neo1: buy these books and read them: https://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Linux-System-Administration-Handbook/dp/0134277554/ ; https://www.amazon.com/Power-Tools-Third-Shelley-Powers/dp/0596003307 ; https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Shell-Scripting-Arnold-Robbins/dp/0596005954 |
| 14:47.03 | mspo | Neo1: then try again |
| 14:47.25 | tw | Still not relevant to debian support. |
| 14:47.39 | MrKeuner | answering my question in case anyone is interested: Other clicking on a link in Zim let's you choose and set a browser from alternatives |
| 14:47.40 | klys | advocacy should be allowed |
| 14:49.02 | klys | mrkeuner, ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 14:49.16 | petn-randall | Well, this channel is about Debian support, so everything *not* being about Debian support is kindly asked to go to the respective channel, or #debian-offtopic. |
| 14:49.32 | Neo1 | Xyle, ÑÑо ÑÑ ÑкажеÑÑ? Ðебиан ноÑм? |
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| 14:50.05 | petn-randall | !ru |
| 14:50.06 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 14:50.07 | petn-randall | !en |
| 14:50.11 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 14:51.52 | Iridos | uh. pdfsam starts with a very small window that is empty when you enlarge it for me on stable⦠|
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| 14:54.19 | Iridos | with a java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 14:54.33 | Iridos | don't seem to be able to find anything in the bug tracker⦠is it just me? |
| 14:54.59 | klys | ,v pdfsam |
| 14:55.00 | judd | Package: pdfsam on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.4-2; wheezy: 1.1.4-2; stretch: 1.1.4-4; buster: 3.3.4-1; sid: 3.3.5-1 |
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| 14:55.40 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:55.44 | klys | iridos, are you using version 1.1.4-2 ? |
| 14:55.53 | hellyeah | i connected my bluetooth |
| 14:55.58 | hellyeah | but sound quality is bad |
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| 14:56.14 | hellyeah | i changed profile to a2dp but quality is still bad |
| 14:56.19 | hellyeah | what should i do?_ |
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| 15:00.53 | do0m | boa tarde |
| 15:01.09 | Iridos | that's the whole error⦠http://paste.debian.net/997996/ |
| 15:01.30 | Iridos | "FATAL JMainFrame Error starting pdfsam." conflicts a bit with "JMainFrame PDF Split and Merge basic Ver. 1.1.4 started in 509ms" |
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| 15:01.55 | Neo1 | hellyeah: |
| 15:02.00 | Neo1 | ;) |
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| 15:02.53 | Iridos | it's weird⦠oldstable and stable actually have the same version⦠except for the patchlevel |
| 15:03.00 | Neo1 | hellyeah: you have broken bluetooth, change it and everything will work well |
| 15:03.11 | Iridos | klys, no, I'm on stretch, it's 1.1.4-4 |
| 15:03.31 | Iridos | trying to install the one from oldstable⦠|
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| 15:05.38 | Iridos | mm, same with the version from oldstable, so I guess it's the upgraded java stuff |
| 15:05.56 | Neo1 | I want to ask, I downloaded this book https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Command-Shell-Scripting-Bible/dp/111898384X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511880467&sr=8-1&keywords=shell+bible |
| 15:05.56 | Neo1 | If I read it I'll have known debian by then? |
| 15:06.09 | Iridos | oh, wait, I installed my own⦠yay |
| 15:06.16 | Neo1 | just don't want to do things in vain... |
| 15:06.35 | Iridos | ok, that works⦠yay. |
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| 15:07.09 | klys | iridos, I was going to say, that is perhaps the bug at http://bugs.java.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6342301 |
| 15:07.28 | klys | though, congratulations now that it works. |
| 15:07.34 | jelly | dont worry Neo1; reading one book, even the best possible one, is not NEARLY enough to get proficient with an OS |
| 15:08.00 | Iridos | Neo1, no. Debian has some pretty specific things on how it works. I still wouldn't call it a waste of time to go through this book. (as this is on shell scripting, you might ask #bash what they think of it, though) |
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| 15:08.21 | petn-randall | Neo1: There's always the debian handbook: |
| 15:08.26 | petn-randall | !debian handbook |
| 15:08.26 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 15:09.36 | Iridos | klys, I'll have a look at that later⦠right now just happy I can use it for something with a deadline of today (and cursing myself I didn't write down in some obvious place all the things I did a month or two ago, when I prepared the last "final" version) |
| 15:09.39 | jelly | Neo1: so you'll be reading many manual pages and a dozen books and playing with dozens of tools and filing a dozen bug reports before you can say you "know debian" |
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| 15:09.43 | Iridos | so⦠thanks for the bug |
| 15:09.54 | hellyeah | any help_ |
| 15:09.57 | hellyeah | ? |
| 15:10.06 | Iridos | jelly, that, or spend 3 days fixing a dependency error? ^^ |
| 15:10.17 | Neo1 | ok |
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| 15:10.53 | klys | hellyeah, are you using alsa, pulse, jack, oss, or something else to output sound via bluetooth? |
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| 15:11.37 | hellyeah_ | Neo1: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:11.50 | simbalion | Is there an app in Debian for configuring mouse buttons above the standard 5? |
| 15:12.15 | simbalion | I see there's one for ubuntu called btnx |
| 15:12.59 | Neo1 | jelly: it's look like ubuntu many errors anywhere, ok, I'll try... Want to try centOS as well |
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| 15:13.24 | petn-randall | simbalion: btnx is a dead project that isn't even in Ubuntu anymore. |
| 15:13.29 | Neo1 | I read centOS is the best among all linux |
| 15:13.41 | simbalion | petn-randall: I see, is there an alternative? |
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| 15:14.03 | hellyeah_ | Neo1: go to #linux channel |
| 15:14.16 | petn-randall | !best |
| 15:14.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:14.19 | petn-randall | Neo1: ^^^ |
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| 15:14.40 | Neo1 | :) |
| 15:14.41 | petn-randall | Neo1: Each distro has their strength and weaknesses, otherwise they wouldn't exist anymore. |
| 15:15.01 | hellyeah_ | debian is solid |
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| 15:15.34 | petn-randall | Neo1: Saying CentOS is better than Debian is saying French fries are better than Sushi. Some people might disagree, it's mostly a matter of taste, or what's important to you. |
| 15:15.41 | Neo1 | hellyeah_: solid like all my life... |
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| 15:16.29 | tw | hellyeah_: bluez probably only supports a few codecs in a2dp. My bet is mp3/aac/aptx are not among them. |
| 15:16.35 | Neo1 | petn-randall: as server OS it's better because it has long cycle, I forgot there 5 years or more issue new dist |
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| 15:16.43 | Neo1 | very stable OS |
| 15:16.56 | tw | Neo1: #debian-offtopic or #linux |
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| 15:17.52 | hellyeah_ | Neo1: go to #linux |
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| 15:18.03 | hellyeah_ | they will love talking about that you talked here |
| 15:18.40 | hellyeah_ | tw: do you have any suggestion? |
| 15:18.53 | simbalion | ah it looks like xinput can do what I need |
| 15:18.57 | Neo1 | hellyeah_: Ok, I'll go. |
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| 15:27.58 | tw | hellyeah_: from a quick google search, there's not a lot of documentation on a2dp supported codecs in the bluez stack. It's also possible your headset doesn't support many profiles either -- a2dp negotiates the highest (usually) mutually supported parameters for bandwidth/codec/samplerate/etc. |
| 15:28.29 | tw | My guess is with the hardware your using, it's not readily tunable. |
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| 15:37.40 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 15:37.58 | elvirolo | is it possible to play sound using debian's openjre 8? |
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| 15:40.28 | tw | try it. It should work. |
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| 15:41.15 | elvirolo | tw: I tried it with airsonic, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 15:41.29 | tw | Does it give you any error messages? |
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| 15:41.50 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 15:43.15 | elvirolo | I'm sorry I'm not being specific, but I don't get any error messages from tomcat |
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| 15:43.42 | elvirolo | I'm using openjre8 on jessie, and ALSA (not pulseaudio) |
| 15:43.43 | tw | tomcat probably doesn't have an instance of pulseaudio running since it's not a console user. |
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| 15:44.08 | tw | you probably need to change the default audio backend for openjre8 from pulseaudio to alsa. |
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| 15:44.39 | tw | Unless you've already done this, then you need to make sure no other user on the system is running an instance of pulse. |
| 15:45.07 | elvirolo | tw: it's what I'm trying to do, but I don't know how. |
| 15:45.17 | elvirolo | tw: pulseaudio isn't installed |
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| 15:47.10 | anteeksi | Hi! How do I know what's my login manager? |
| 15:47.15 | anteeksi | Debian 9 |
| 15:47.27 | anteeksi | With Mate |
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| 15:49.49 | petn-randall | anteeksi: Check which *dm package you have installed: dpkg -l '*dm' |
| 15:50.10 | elvirolo | anteeksi: probably lightdm: https://packages.debian.org/fr/jessie/task-mate-desktop |
| 15:50.17 | elvirolo | sry |
| 15:50.55 | elvirolo | anteeksi: https://packages.debian.org/en/stretch/task-mate-desktop |
| 15:50.55 | anteeksi | petn-randall: elvirolo: It is lightdm, thanks :) |
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| 15:51.00 | tw | elvirolo: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/sound/programmer_guide/appendix2.html <- seems to be the right file |
| 15:51.27 | tw | but as to what the setting should be, I have no clue. |
| 15:51.38 | tw | it needs to be an implementation of those interfaces. |
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| 15:52.19 | elvirolo | tw: yup, I saw that file, but don't know how to configure it with alsa. thanks anyway :) |
| 15:52.26 | elvirolo | i might have to install pulseaudio |
| 15:52.43 | tw | that will be a lot of pain because tomcat doesn't have a login session. |
| 15:53.16 | tw | elvirolo: this site has some suggested values https://keithp.com/blogs/Java-Sound-on-Linux/ |
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| 15:55.41 | elvirolo | tw: thanks |
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| 16:14.37 | PuFFs | Hey All |
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| 16:15.27 | PuFFs | Does anyone have suggestion on a Remote Desktop client for linux? I am currently using x2go but it seems choppy if I search the internet and video play doesn't work. |
| 16:16.33 | petn-randall | PuFFs: If you want to use remote desktop for video playback, I'd assume pretty much every solution to be choppy. |
| 16:17.37 | petn-randall | PuFFs: That is because whatever video you're watching remotely first gets video decoded from the file to the screen, then gets encoded again, sent over the network, and decoded again on your local machine. |
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| 16:19.46 | PuFFs | petn-randall, Is there one you can suggest for me that you like? Maybe TigerVNC or something? |
| 16:21.10 | tremolo | Why would you browse the web and watch video that way? |
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| 16:22.25 | PuFFs | tremolo, I use it while I am at work. |
| 16:22.31 | petn-randall | PuFFs: Any *vnc* would do the job, however none will solve the problem of your choppy/laggy experience. "remote desktop" is simply not built for streaming videos. |
| 16:22.54 | tremolo | Okay... but why? |
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| 16:27.10 | PuFFs | Thanks petn-randall |
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| 16:29.11 | anteeksi | On Debian 9 with Mate, how do you activate the screen reader (orca) for the login screen? Or is it not possible? |
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| 16:36.26 | PuFFs | anteeksi, Does alt+f2 work? |
| 16:37.34 | anteeksi | PuFFs: yes, in the desktop. |
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| 16:44.14 | colo-work | hm, how can I get my preseeded Debian to choose "No localization" for the very first (language) choice presented by d-i? |
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| 16:45.07 | jhutchins_wk | PuFFs: You could try forwarding just the video player over ssh, but it's still likely to be unsatisfactory. |
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| 16:52.00 | HeXiLeD | having a problem here with skype and auto login. i have it in the WM startup (fluxbox/startup) but even tho it was setup to auto login, it fails all the time do to the need to unlock it with the *-keyring. Any ideas on how to avoid/solve this ? |
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| 16:58.02 | tw | Is there a tool that can do real time log regexing on the console? effectively, I want `less` + a ncurses gui for adding/removing pcre filters. Bonus points if it can handle multiple logs simultaneously with different filters. |
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| 16:58.33 | tw | Wireshark's filter capability is another good example. |
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| 17:05.31 | zerothis | I solved my skype problems with discordapp.com and hangouts.google.com . 'course that doesn't solve talking to people who only wanna use skype |
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| 17:05.55 | jhutchins_wk | tw: tail | grep | less |
| 17:06.04 | jhutchins_wk | tw: Or just tail | grep |
| 17:06.52 | jelly | tw: splunk for poor people with a terminal? :-) |
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| 17:08.49 | mutante | zerothis: yea, but look at it this way.. it also doesn't solve it for the ICQ and AIM users but they will learn one day when less and less people want to chat |
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| 17:09.37 | jelly | zerothis: I'm on web.skype.com in a browser tab for the time being |
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| 17:12.08 | jelly | petn-randall: amusingly game consoles now allow you to play _games_ remotely over, basically, a video stream |
| 17:12.42 | jelly | petn-randall: it's clearly not impossible, just that linux remoting clients and servers need to catch up |
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| 17:14.52 | petn-randall | jelly: Those servers also support HW encoding via GPU which makes it orders of magnitude faster. But IME they're still laggy because input travels over the network, gets parsed, and the output gets sent back. |
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| 17:16.47 | jelly | even intel gpus can do h264 |
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| 17:17.52 | FinalX | even raspberry pi's can :P |
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| 17:24.17 | petn-randall | FinalX: *en*coding? |
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| 17:25.46 | petn-randall | Apparently, from a quick google search. |
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| 17:28.34 | FinalX | petn-randall: oh, encoding, no.. decoding :) |
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| 17:29.16 | FinalX | actually, turns out it does h264 encoding as well |
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| 17:36.36 | petn-randall | yepp, that's what surprised me, too. |
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| 17:38.26 | zerothis | I have an .img file that I right click and mount with "Disk Image Mounter". but it's read-only. I've tried every mount and xmount command I know of but can't manually mount or remount it. the image contains a ext2 and a swap partition. "VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem" occurs in every iteration. |
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| 17:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: If it has multiple partitions, you have to mount the partition rather than the whole image. You need to figure out the offset of the beginning of the partition. |
| 17:40.24 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: I'm not sure of the the details, but I believe losetup can help with this. |
| 17:40.40 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: Also -t ext2 |
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| 17:41.22 | Iridos | after you get it mounted in anyway⦠show us the line from "mount" that refers to it |
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| 17:43.53 | jelly | zerothis: there are other ways, but using losetup to create a /dev/loopX device out of the whole image first, and kpartx to create partition slices in /dev/mapper from that /dev/loopX might be simpler than calculating offsets |
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| 17:45.07 | jelly | after you have separate partition devices, it's easy to figure out which one is formatted as a filesystem and which a swap space |
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| 17:46.01 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 17:46.06 | jelly | zerothis: kpartx has its own package |
| 17:46.53 | arora | !hello tobiasBora |
| 17:47.01 | tobiasBora | I don't know why, but curl fails to download gnutls, while wget has no problem with that. Am I the only one with this problem? Try "wget ftp://ftp.gnutls.org/gcrypt/gnutls/v3.5/gnutls-3.5.15.tar.xz |
| 17:47.13 | tobiasBora | " and "curl ftp://ftp.gnutls.org/gcrypt/gnutls/v3.5/gnutls-3.5.15.tar.xz" |
| 17:47.30 | greycat | dear god, it's an ftp:// url in 2017 |
| 17:47.30 | zerothis | jhutchins_wk: https://pastebin.com/CW3CKf9c |
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| 17:48.25 | zerothis | Us: /dev/loop0p1 on /media/zerothis/47e530cc-d3ff-11e7-99be-9a9ca8f3fb4c type ext2 (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,block_validity,barrier,user_xattr,acl,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 17:48.32 | jelly | \o/ |
| 17:48.53 | tobiasBora | greycat: Yes, but it's not my choice to choose it ;) And it's pretty useful when you are on a minimal system, and can't download over https. |
| 17:48.55 | greycat | try using one of the URLs from https://www.gnupg.org/ftp/gcrypt/gnutls/v3.5/ instead of that ftp://ftp.* mirror |
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| 17:49.43 | jelly | tobiasBora: arguably a minimal system should not be able to do ftp and not do https, these days |
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| 17:50.03 | zerothis | partition 1 is boot, part 2 ext2 (debian installation), part 5 is swap |
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| 17:50.29 | zerothis | greycat: i use ftp weekly |
| 17:50.32 | tobiasBora | jelly: Well a minimal system can wget pages with no encryptions. And ftp is not a problem at all. |
| 17:50.45 | greycat | zerothis: and you admit this in public?! |
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| 17:51.22 | tobiasBora | while for https... You need to install all the crypto stuff |
| 17:51.39 | zerothis | greycat: proudly |
| 17:51.46 | jelly | zerothis: you fdisk shows one filesystem (probably /) and one swap. partition 2 is not a real partition, just a container for partition 5 |
| 17:51.57 | greycat | tobiasBora: but this is #debian, not #linuxfromsticksandstones |
| 17:52.02 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: There are only two partitions there. |
| 17:52.16 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: The one you're trying to mount is swap. |
| 17:52.26 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: (Or at least it's marked as swap.) |
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| 17:53.17 | zerothis | $ sudo mount -t ext2 -o loop,rw,offset=63 iw.img /media/me/iwimg/ |
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| 17:54.16 | zerothis | it is swap, i've used the installation in QEMU (where I have created a bad init.d script that prevents booting) |
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| 17:54.24 | jelly | zerothis: if you read "man mount", offset option is passed to losetup and "man losetup" says the parameter is bytes |
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| 17:54.59 | tobiasBora | greycat: The thing is that the program I'm using has a big database for sources and that this database has inside ftp url. And ftp is used, I guess, to bootstrap some systems, because to get https you need gcrypt, and to download gcrypt with another protocol than gcrypt, you need https. So to download gcrypt, you need gcrypt. But anyway it's not my question. My question is just, why curl can't (on my debian, |
| 17:55.01 | jelly | zerothis: avoiding to deal with this kind of crap is precisely why I suggest kpartx instead |
| 17:55.01 | tobiasBora | not sticksandstones system) download this ftp, while wget can. Curl is very proud to say that it supports tons of protocols. |
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| 17:55.27 | greycat | tobiasBora: so your question has nothing to do with Debian at all, then |
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| 17:55.43 | jelly | zerothis: because you'd have to... sudo mount -t ext2 -o loop,rw,offset=$((63*512)) iw.img /media/me/iwimg |
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| 17:56.52 | tw | jelly: kpartx -a, my man. |
| 17:57.00 | tw | manual offset calculation is no fun. |
| 17:57.07 | jelly | I JUST SAID THAT TWICE |
| 17:57.17 | tw | i'm a bad person. |
| 17:57.18 | tobiasBora | greycat: well, curl is a program that I'm running on debian. And if for you a question linked with debian cannot be about a program that runs on debian... I guess that most of the question here would not have anything to do with debian. |
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| 17:58.09 | jelly | tobiasBora: debian's curl ought to be able to https |
| 17:58.37 | jelly | twice, in fact |
| 17:58.40 | jelly | [18:58] ~ => ldd =curl|grep -E 'ssl|tls' burek |
| 17:58.40 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.41 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.15 | tobiasBora | jelly: and if I want to use a ftp address, what's wrong with that ? |
| 17:59.16 | jelly | denied |
| 17:59.34 | jelly | !ftp must die |
| 17:59.35 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 18:01.18 | tobiasBora | then say that to gnutls |
| 18:01.30 | tobiasBora | they don't provide http |
| 18:01.39 | greycat | WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU |
| 18:01.57 | tw | neither does any other tls library, so it's not unique in that respect. |
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| 18:02.11 | zerothis | installing kpartx |
| 18:02.46 | wonuku | is FTP slower than HTTP(S) ? |
| 18:02.48 | zerothis | greycat: are you a Windows? |
| 18:02.59 | greycat | just tried curl-ing that FTP URL from hell from two different systems, using 3 different invocations each, and none of them worked. Conclusion: STOP FUCKING DOING THAT. |
| 18:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,v gnutls-bin |
| 18:03.11 | judd | Package: gnutls-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.22-3+really2.12.20-8+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 3.0.22-3+really2.12.20-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 3.3.8-6~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 3.3.8-6+deb8u6; jessie: 3.3.8-6+deb8u7; stretch-security: 3.5.8-5+deb9u1; stretch: 3.5.8-5+deb9u3; buster: 3.5.16-1; sid: 3.5.16-1; experimental: 3.6.1-1 |
| 18:03.24 | arora | then why not wget it :p |
| 18:03.43 | greycat | if wget does whatever fucking backflips are required to make that FTP bullshit work, then use wget. |
| 18:03.58 | tobiasBora | greycat: and a bug report on curl would not be a good idea then? I'm just trying to figure out why it fails, and if yes or not I should report it. |
| 18:04.03 | greycat | FTP IS THE FUCKING WORST THING YOU COULD POSSIBLY CHOOSE |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | ask #curl |
| 18:04.27 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: I think the problem is likely unique to that site and not a bug in curl. |
| 18:04.42 | greycat | I don't know what fucking voodoo is required on the client side to talk to that particular FTP site and I don't *care*. |
| 18:04.45 | arora | tobiasBora: Not familiar with FTP but curl has a lot of options for use with ftp. maybe something is missing. |
| 18:04.51 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: the strange thing is that it works with wget |
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| 18:05.11 | greycat | arora: for the record, I tried -P 20 and -P 20 (couldn't find any other way to switch on "active mode") but only from two systems. |
| 18:05.37 | greycat | and one of them is NATted |
| 18:05.49 | greycat | and the other is wheezy |
| 18:05.50 | petn-randall | greycat: While I agree that FTP should die, that's not an excuse to go off on a tangent full of expletives in full caps in here. |
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| 18:06.08 | greycat | Good point. I should just /ignore him instead. |
| 18:06.12 | greycat | Done. |
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| 18:09.12 | tobiasBora | greycat: and if you want to know why I really want to do that, it's because I'm using the nix package management (on my debian, yes), and that the nix project needs to work for any system, including the bare minimal systems that do not have gnutls already installs (you need to bootstrap it at some point). So they don't have choice, they need to use ftp, at least to bootstrap everything, whether you like or |
| 18:09.14 | tobiasBora | not ftp. And this program uses curl (I think it's not completely stupid), and because this link is broken with curl, I can't use it anymore. So saying "use wget", or "use the https version" is not a solution, and being agressive is not better. Anyway thank you for your time. |
| 18:09.32 | tobiasBora | installed* |
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| 18:12.55 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: I think the problem would be a deeper matter than the level of support we can provide for individual programs here. #curl, or their development mailing lists might be more useful. |
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| 18:13.12 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: We're mostly just fellow users here. |
| 18:13.24 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: thank you, I'll do that |
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| 18:14.27 | Guest4273 | guys |
| 18:14.33 | Guest4273 | i have an old laptop without super windows key |
| 18:14.36 | greycat | I have not had to use an ftp site in years. The last few times I did, it was largely a matter of finding *any* computer *anywhere* that could actually talk to it and get the file, and then using scp to get it to where it is supposed to be. |
| 18:14.49 | greycat | Assuming |
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| 18:15.04 | arora | Guest4273: and..? |
| 18:15.08 | greycat | Just naively assuming that any computer can download any file from any FTP server is hopelessly laughable. |
| 18:15.30 | Guest4273 | arora, where I can rebind things? can laptop FN key be rebound or is it permanent? |
| 18:16.00 | jhutchins_wk | Guest4273: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:16.00 | arora | which de are you using? |
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| 18:16.32 | Guest4273 | I don't have super windows key physically and I need to rebind some other key, i'm using some weird distro called BunsenLabs |
| 18:17.01 | tobiasBora | greycat: I'm not sure to understand, you last sentence about the laughable thing. |
| 18:17.02 | arora | Guest4273: *ahem**ahem* do not call BunsenLabs weird |
| 18:17.14 | greycat | can I call it "not Debian"? |
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| 18:17.27 | greycat | !bunsen |
| 18:17.27 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
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| 18:17.47 | Guest4273 | thank you greycat i will ask there :) |
| 18:18.18 | Guest4273 | you have chat commands for every distro? |
| 18:18.23 | Guest4273 | !mint |
| 18:18.24 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:18.28 | Guest4273 | ye hehe |
| 18:18.41 | Guest4273 | see ya guys thank you |
| 18:18.47 | arora | Guest4273: since you asked http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings |
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| 18:19.04 | jelly | just a few whose users might find their way here |
| 18:19.16 | arora | lemme try something different |
| 18:19.18 | arora | !arch |
| 18:19.18 | dpkg | i guess arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 18:19.35 | arora | !<arch linux> |
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| 18:20.18 | arora | !dpkg |
| 18:20.18 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:20.33 | Guest4273 | !gentoo |
| 18:20.33 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net |
| 18:20.36 | greycat | please /msg the bot if you want to play |
| 18:21.09 | mr__tea | does gentoo do arm? |
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| 18:21.23 | arora | Good idea, no need for spam! |
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| 18:22.29 | arora | mr__tea: yes theres gentoo-arm |
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| 18:25.45 | mr__tea | arora: cool |
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| 18:31.37 | awal1 | Just a curiosity: apt manual says full-upgrade. why it also accept dist-upgrade action? |
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| 18:31.49 | greycat | compatibility with apt-get |
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| 18:33.04 | awal1 | ok. I thought there is also a hidden (non commented) historical reason like aptitude full-upgrade vs dist-upgrade |
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| 18:34.42 | awal1 | well, for now the advantage of using apt is just one types apt instead of apt-get or apt-cache, shortness advantage :P |
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| 18:35.44 | zerothis | uninstalling kpartx |
| 18:36.09 | zerothis | Did it! https://pastebin.com/kcMjYQxF thank you so much |
| 18:36.58 | Iridos | tobiasBora, mmh, I am slower reading backlog than you guys write it. But there is libcurl3-gnutls and libcurl3 - I guess your minimal system only uses libcurl3 |
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| 18:37.35 | greycat | libcurl3 in Debian depends on several crypto libraries |
| 18:37.39 | linuxthefish | !dpkg religion |
| 18:37.40 | dpkg | it has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses |
| 18:37.45 | Iridos | sorry if that was already answered⦠but I got tired of reading all the bickering about it ⦠|
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| 18:37.52 | greycat | ,depends libcurl3 |
| 18:37.53 | judd | Package libcurl3 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg), libidn2-0 (>= 0.6), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libnghttp2-14 (>= 1.12.0), libpsl5 (>= 0.13.0), librtmp1 (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~), libssh2-1 (>= 1.7.0), libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
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| 18:38.41 | jhutchins_wk | zerothis: You might want to make a habit of using paste.debian.net instead of pastebin.com - more people will be able to see your pastes. |
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| 18:39.35 | tobiasBora | greycat: that's because it is only an executable here. The nix packager first try to find an executable, and then if it fails, or need other options not present in the executable, it build it from source. |
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| 18:40.07 | Iridos | "a ton" is a slight exaggeration⦠forget about the kerberos stuff ⦠that leaves libssh2-1 and libssl1.0.2 |
| 18:40.37 | tobiasBora | but I'm not an expert on nix actually, I've just been learning it for the last few days |
| 18:40.44 | Iridos | not sure about libssl1.0.2 there⦠|
| 18:40.46 | greycat | so, since curl depends on libcurl3 which depends on libssl1.0.2, having curl means you have the crypto libs. |
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| 18:41.05 | jelly | Iridos: one may choose between libcurl3 or libcurl3-gnutls |
| 18:41.09 | greycat | if he has curl but not those libraries, then he is not on Debian, and he can be told to go away |
| 18:41.30 | jelly | I did not look at whether there was a libcurl3-nss |
| 18:41.45 | Iridos | well, I do remember though, that I had problems using curl on https sites⦠which went away with installing libcurl3-gnutls |
| 18:42.05 | Iridos | that was still jessie, though⦠and I didn't spend an afternoon reading documentation on the libraries |
| 18:42.55 | awal1 | how to make apt or apt-cache to indicate if the pkg(s) is installed as aptitude does (i)? |
| 18:43.08 | Iridos | urgh. right now I can't remove libcurl3-gnutls, because 224 packages would be removed along with it |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | awal1: you use dpkg -l for that |
| 18:43.16 | awal1 | apt/apt-cache search, i meant |
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| 18:44.02 | Iridos | apt-cache only queries the repos⦠now your locally installed packages⦠so yes, dpkg -l pkgname has that function |
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| 18:44.33 | jelly | awal1: there's no way with apt-cache search |
| 18:44.43 | Iridos | s/now/not/ |
| 18:45.11 | awal1 | ok |
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| 19:44.33 | johnjay_ | is there a way tasksel could display a task for building things? |
| 19:44.44 | johnjay_ | like getting the kernel headers, build-essential, autoconf, etc? |
| 19:44.55 | johnjay_ | i'm having to install all these things one by one. >_> |
| 19:45.11 | tobiasBora | Hi again, I'm not here to debate again about whether ftp should be used or not, but I just wanted to say that I found a very strange bug, in the ftp website: if I send a "PWD" before the "PASV" (this command goes into passive mode), then if works, else it fails. I guess it's not a specification but a bug in the ftp server... More information: |
| 19:45.13 | tobiasBora | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/32147#issuecomment-347629235 |
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| 19:54.35 | annadane | tobiasBora, i guess file a bug against it, not sure whether you can or not |
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| 19:55.30 | dka | Hi |
| 19:55.34 | dka | My os is getting full |
| 19:55.53 | dka | I presum it is because I am using docker and java for my integration BDD test |
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| 19:56.03 | nkuttler | safe bet |
| 19:56.08 | dka | I don't use any volume but a memory leak is happening, how can I troubleshoot? |
| 19:56.19 | nkuttler | memory leak? |
| 19:56.34 | dka | Yeah. Disk space leak |
| 19:56.49 | teraflops | not the same |
| 19:57.09 | nkuttler | dka: docker is notorious for filling up disks. give it more space. same with java, though it depends on what you run i guess |
| 19:57.21 | teraflops | use ncdu or similar or plain du or whetever ^ |
| 19:57.24 | `Kevin | dka: did you look as your docker container disk usage and/or container logs? |
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| 19:57.37 | teraflops | what^ |
| 19:57.45 | xand | java is good for eating RAM |
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| 19:58.32 | foul_owl | How do I preseed wifi ssid and psk? Thanks! |
| 19:58.34 | dka | nkuttler, I have no more space. I did remove all my images with "docker images -a -q | xargs docker rmi" and all my containers with "docker ps -a -q | xargs docker stop | xargs docker rm". I have only two container left, both doesn't have mounted volume. They are running so they have a volume, I have check their disk space and it's very low for both of my container |
| 19:59.03 | jhutchins_wk | dka: That situation often leads to unmanaged logs. |
| 19:59.08 | dka | I have two container used for integration test, postgresql 10.0 and OpenLDAP. I do lot's of testing these days and for some reason my docker volumes are getting very big |
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| 19:59.32 | `Kevin | dka: if it is disk space and not ram look at" `docker ps -a -s " |
| 19:59.33 | nkuttler | dka: seriously, i regularly rm -rf /var/lib/docker/*, i have found nothing that reliably removes unused stuff |
| 20:00.02 | jhutchins_wk | dka: Normally logs are man aged by logrotate, but if something (java) is logging outside the syslog/logrotate system it can grow indefinitely. |
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| 20:00.26 | `Kevin | also look for large container log files ls -al /var/lib/docker/containers/*/*json.log |
| 20:02.38 | `Kevin | nkuttler: if he did that rm without knowing pros/cons there could be a lot lost there :) bridge/network configs, containers, aufs layers etc |
| 20:02.57 | dka | Solved with `docker volume ls -f dangling=true` |
| 20:02.58 | nkuttler | `Kevin: good point |
| 20:03.12 | dka | I didn't knew a removed container without volumes could store a volume still |
| 20:03.25 | `Kevin | yes |
| 20:04.47 | teraflops | if you run e.g btrfs all the containers are run in subvols |
| 20:05.07 | `Kevin | well moreso if you do not specify certain flags on container rm it will not remove the volume |
| 20:05.21 | teraflops | I recall an issue regarding what dka said |
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| 20:05.41 | `Kevin | teraflops: that sounds fancy :) |
| 20:05.54 | teraflops | it is, same for systemd-nspawn |
| 20:06.41 | teraflops | you can e.g boot subvols using nspawn |
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| 20:06.58 | `Kevin | ive been meaning to make use of nspawn :| |
| 20:07.55 | `Kevin | dka: another possibility |
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| 20:08.15 | `Kevin | docker sometimes holds open FDs for container log files upon container rm |
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| 20:09.03 | `Kevin | we have successfully used gdb to attach and close those FDs (a bug report exists somewhere for that) |
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| 20:12.13 | morenoh149 | is downloading the signing key necessary? https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/logstash/current/installing-logstash.html#_apt |
| 20:13.05 | jelly | morenoh149: apt will not work with untrusted repos by default |
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| 20:13.36 | jelly | so any sane third party repo has its own signing key and you have to get it somehow |
| 20:13.54 | morenoh149 | jelly: actually I am doing that step, I'm assuming apt-transport-https is also necessary as the repo is https |
| 20:14.03 | jhutchins_wk | Repo should have instructions. |
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| 20:14.14 | jelly | and tell apt it's really okay to trust repos signed with that key |
| 20:14.44 | morenoh149 | what really happened is my ci/cd pipeline was relying on some repo, but I think elastic has moved it or changed how to get the software |
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| 20:25.22 | rihannsu | hey guys how can i remove a ucode from showing up on boot (i'm kinda new so i might not be making perfect sense) |
| 20:25.46 | rihannsu | i have a pastebin here, this was what im getting in dmesg. it looks like it finds the right one after failing a few times id like to clean it up |
| 20:25.49 | rihannsu | https://paste.opensuse.org/47617444 |
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| 20:28.56 | somiaj | rihannsu: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:29.00 | somiaj | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:29.01 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 20:29.14 | johnjay_ | hey, i dont' have any dvds handy. is there a way i can install debian to my hard drive partition from inside windows? |
| 20:29.19 | johnjay_ | i have the dvd iso file |
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| 20:29.25 | morenoh149 | hmm now the repo is back up. Guess I don't have to fix anything |
| 20:29.42 | somiaj | johnjay_: do you have a thumb drive you can use (that you don't care about the data on it) |
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| 20:30.08 | johnjay_ | yes, but for some reason i downloaded 3 diff programs on windows to write a .img file to an sd card |
| 20:30.10 | johnjay_ | and they all failed |
| 20:30.21 | johnjay_ | i have dd inside a msys shell though |
| 20:30.22 | somiaj | !win32diskimage |
| 20:30.29 | somiaj | johnjay_: one second. |
| 20:30.29 | jelly | rihannsu: there's nothing to remove then, looks like normal behaviour |
| 20:30.52 | jelly | the driver tries multiple options until it finds one |
| 20:30.54 | toString | hello, I've create an user systemd unit, different users on the system use it, but I'd like to set the group the process run as (the same for every users). If I add a Group in the unit I got this: "Process: 321 ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/node (code=exited, status=216/GROUP)" |
| 20:30.59 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 20:30.59 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 20:31.09 | somiaj | johnjay_: ^^ that is the suggested software to use, have you tried that? |
| 20:31.23 | johnjay_ | yes first one i tried. it froze trying to write to a microsd card |
| 20:31.28 | johnjay_ | it might work with a normal usb stick though |
| 20:31.30 | jelly | judd: file iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode |
| 20:31.35 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:31.36 | johnjay_ | do I have to do some voodoo to get the usb image? |
| 20:31.40 | jelly | judd: file iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode --release sid |
| 20:31.45 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:31.57 | jelly | nope |
| 20:31.58 | somiaj | johnjay_: that should work just fine from what I'm told. It mayhave had issues with a microsd card, but unsure on that detail. |
| 20:32.36 | tw | it works fine with microsd. I use it all the time with rpi and beaglebone images. |
| 20:32.57 | somiaj | could be an issue with the reader or microsd card in question if it is freezing then. |
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| 20:33.08 | jelly | johnjay_: can your machine boot from sd at all? |
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| 20:34.40 | johnjay_ | jelly: i was trying to write a microsd card for my raspbi from windows |
| 20:34.49 | johnjay_ | but win32 disk thing wouldn't work with my sd card adapter. so idk |
| 20:34.56 | johnjay_ | somiaj: this thing wants a .img, not a .iso |
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| 20:35.18 | somiaj | johnjay_: as the factoid said, you can make it look for all images and select the .iso, the .iso worsk fine |
| 20:35.55 | johnjay_ | you're sure? |
| 20:35.59 | johnjay_ | ok |
| 20:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | johnjay_: The standard DVD images should work fine. |
| 20:36.18 | somiaj | johnjay_: yes |
| 20:36.19 | jhutchins_wk | johnjay_: Have you checked the md5sum of the image? |
| 20:36.19 | toString | fixed with sg |
| 20:36.31 | johnjay_ | jhutchins_wk: nope |
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| 20:36.42 | jhutchins_wk | johnjay_: *nix doesn't care about file extensions so you can just rename it. |
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| 20:37.36 | johnjay_ | well yes |
| 20:37.58 | johnjay_ | but i'm not that confident in uefi's ability to boot based on just a disk location |
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| 20:40.48 | tw | uefi is smart, it will enumerate all of the options in the boot manager. |
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| 20:41.24 | johnjay_ | well i'd like to just have a separate hard drive with a bunch of linux partitions on it |
| 20:41.31 | johnjay_ | but yeah i was thinking it might not work or recognize them |
| 20:42.25 | johnjay_ | jhutchins_wk: I calculated the md5sum. i got it by torrent so i'm not worried |
| 20:42.27 | johnjay_ | but if I needed the md5 where would it be? |
| 20:44.13 | teraflops | johnjay_: e.g https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:45.18 | johnjay_ | I verified the first 4 and last 4 digits of the two md5 sums are the same |
| 20:45.21 | johnjay_ | is that sufficient? |
| 20:46.04 | jelly | that's merely 32bits |
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| 20:46.26 | johnjay_ | md5sums are emitted in blocks of bytes? |
| 20:46.37 | johnjay_ | so the first block is the first block of the iso, the next one is the next block, etc? |
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| 20:46.46 | jelly | and you still have to verify the signature on that SHA256SUMS.gpg file! |
| 20:47.09 | jelly | and to SECURELY acquire debian's cd signage public keys! |
| 20:47.35 | johnjay_ | guess i'll just let agent smith take over my pc instead |
| 20:47.35 | johnjay_ | that's too much work already. lol |
| 20:47.35 | jelly | do they even make md5sums still |
| 20:47.55 | teraflops | suggests a certified pigeon |
| 20:48.06 | jelly | I just paste one below the other |
| 20:48.37 | jelly | grep blah SHA256SUMS; sha256sum blah.iso |
| 20:48.38 | Unit193 | sha256sum $file | grep $known_hash works better. |
| 20:48.57 | jelly | that honestly never occured to me |
| 20:49.43 | Unit193 | I've used your method too, but only for minor things. |
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| 20:50.45 | jelly | may or may not eyeball the last 4-6 digits of ssh host keys on first use, and on the console of a host |
| 20:51.14 | jelly | "ssh localhost" on console vs. "ssh remote" from remote |
| 20:51.35 | Unit193 | You could enable visualhostkeys. |
| 20:51.57 | RoyK | sha256sum -f SHA256SUMS |
| 20:52.06 | jelly | Unit193: then they have to be enabled on both ends |
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| 20:52.41 | jelly | new fingerprints messed me up, completely |
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| 20:52.46 | Unit193 | RoyK: I think you mean '-c', but I was presuming one only had the hash. |
| 20:53.05 | Epx998 | Is ia possible to rename a network interface with early_command in the debian-installer preseed? |
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| 20:53.26 | JPT | takes note of 'ssh -o VisualHostKey=yes' and smiles |
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| 20:53.42 | JPT | That's going into my config |
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| 20:54.12 | jelly | "that's not a kinda-bunny any more!!" |
| 20:54.55 | greycat | ASCII Rorschach |
| 20:55.12 | johnjay_ | do I need a github account to send a patch or code suggestion to a project? |
| 20:55.16 | johnjay_ | i think those are called pull requests? |
| 20:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | Epx998: Why do you want to rename an interface? |
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| 20:56.19 | teraflops | I can think on a couple of use causes |
| 20:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | johnjay_: You should ask the project. |
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| 20:56.53 | teraflops | johnjay_: only if they use github^ |
| 20:57.00 | johnjay_ | jelly: "honestly never occured to me". welcome to my world. half of me talking about linux is hoping someone will say something that enlightening by chance |
| 20:57.08 | johnjay_ | teraflops: hah. very funny |
| 20:57.14 | johnjay_ | that's like 99% of projects now |
| 20:57.18 | teraflops | nah |
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| 20:57.35 | johnjay_ | well i asked in their irc channel so i guess making a github acct is my only option. |
| 20:57.39 | johnjay_ | i just can't think of a good name for it |
| 20:57.41 | teraflops | gitlab exists too, or gitolite or cgit |
| 20:57.50 | johnjay_ | johnjay sounds too generic. it's not flash enough |
| 20:58.07 | Unit193 | teraflops: If you're trying to list them all, don't for gitea. |
| 20:58.15 | jhutchins_wk | johnjay_: They probably have a mailing list. Random people posting patches doesn't sound like good management practice. |
| 20:58.35 | teraflops | I wasnt trying to list them all, just few examples |
| 20:58.56 | somiaj | well pull-requests still have to be approved, it just simplifies putting the patch in the source, but requires the user have a github account and a fork of the project. |
| 20:59.25 | somiaj | johnjay_: depending on the project you might be able to just mail the .diff to a developer and they can add it that way. A pull request just adds the patch through gits system. |
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| 20:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | I would think some discussion might be in order. |
| 20:59.53 | teraflops | you can even attach diffs in comments |
| 21:00.05 | johnjay_ | well I went into their channel and asked about it, so far no talk |
| 21:00.09 | johnjay_ | it's just a minor UI change |
| 21:00.18 | johnjay_ | is that overkill for a pull request? |
| 21:00.39 | teraflops | open an issue and send the patch there (just an idea) |
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| 21:01.26 | johnjay_ | Isues:2,464 |
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| 21:01.32 | n4dir | sure an overkill for creating an account ... |
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| 21:01.45 | teraflops | youre not being very cooperative :P |
| 21:02.42 | johnjay_ | well if there are 2464 issues and only 52 pull requests |
| 21:02.50 | johnjay_ | the latter sounds more likely to be read by a person |
| 21:03.21 | teraflops | if you already know what to do go for it |
| 21:04.12 | johnjay_ | ok |
| 21:04.13 | somiaj | johnjay_: a pull request just makes your patch into a commit, and then it is properly docmented and the matainer only needs to aprove or reject it. Subbmit the patch other ways requires a matainer to turn it into a commit first. |
| 21:04.43 | johnjay_ | somiaj: so if it's something i already have ready to be applied a PR is better? |
| 21:05.11 | johnjay_ | like "fixes issue #123 by adding X to Y" or something |
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| 21:05.38 | somiaj | johnjay_: you have to know git, how to make a fork, add your patch as a commit to your fork, and then do a pull request on your fork with the patch. |
| 21:05.43 | razorbait | hi |
| 21:05.49 | johnjay_ | ok got it |
| 21:06.14 | somiaj | johnjay_: git if fairly effiecent, so a fork isn't a new copy, but it gives you the ability to make commits, then send the commits back to the matainers. |
| 21:06.27 | johnjay_ | oh ok. nice |
| 21:06.29 | razorbait | how do i run my qemu guest with access to my actual sound- and graphicshardware on the host? |
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| 21:06.48 | johnjay_ | i have a low bandwidth internet that drops a lot, so i have reservations about large checksummed downloads |
| 21:06.51 | Epx998 | jhutchins_wk: I need to install with an offboard NIC - need the interface renamed to eth0 - with udev i should be able, but i cannot predict the mac address |
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| 21:08.10 | teraflops | razorbait: it depends on your hw (gpu mainly) it's called gpu pass-through |
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| 21:11.29 | RoyK | Epx998: why rename it? |
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| 21:11.51 | teraflops | Epx998: is not that hard https://ptpb.pw/knHd.perl/pl |
| 21:12.31 | teraflops | just an example |
| 21:13.45 | teraflops | i mean, if they are predictable, it has to be a logic behind it |
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| 21:14.13 | Epx998 | ill have to tinker with udev |
| 21:14.36 | Epx998 | but it looks like i need to grab the mac address at the very least |
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| 21:19.36 | teraflops | Epx998: I find a lot of useful stuff by googling |
| 21:19.43 | teraflops | I.e https://github.com/rgl/ubuntu-vagrant/blob/master/preseed.txt |
| 21:19.47 | mo1991 | I am running xfce on stretch, and using slock to lock screen. When I close my laptop lid, however, suspend happens but slock does not lock screen. If I use suspend from the menu it does suspend and slock locks screen. Only doesn't work when suspending from laptop close. I think this used to work fine. Any ideas as to what to check? |
| 21:20.06 | Epx998 | late command wont work |
| 21:20.29 | Epx998 | but yeah been searching, reading and all that - figured id ask here too |
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| 21:23.25 | somiaj | mo1991: might be a systemd thing is bypassing what your DE is doing. you will have to look into what systemd does. If your run 'systed suspend' do you get the same beavhior as closing the lid, if so that is what you have to modify |
| 21:23.32 | somiaj | mo1991: arg, systemctl suspend (not systemd) |
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| 21:24.13 | somiaj | mo1991: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81692/suspend-and-lock-screen-on-closing-lid-in-arch-systemd -- that is probably the solution |
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| 21:25.58 | Person | >>> youtube.com/watch?v=X8qL6cAI0zQ |
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| 21:28.07 | teraflops | hardcoding DISPLAY :number there is a bit eww |
| 21:28.32 | mo1991 | somiaj - yes, I do get the same thing with systemctl suspend - it suspends but no screen lock. I will look into the solution you linked to |
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| 21:28.56 | somiaj | teraflops: how would systed know what DISPLAY is otherwise? |
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| 21:29.09 | somiaj | this wouldn't be run from the enviroment of the user closing the lid I would think. |
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| 21:29.43 | somiaj | This might depend on slock needing to actually lock the screen |
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| 21:37.21 | watom | hey. anyone know if logwatch in debian stretch/stable support systemd journal? |
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| 21:44.53 | mo1991 | somiaj, I tried the fix from the post you showed, but doesn't work. systemctl suspend still suspends with no lock. Strange thing is logging of xfce with suspend does lock the screen |
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| 21:45.47 | mo1991 | same thing with suspend on timeout from xfce power manager. suspends and locks with slock. just not on laptop close or on the command |
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| 21:46.41 | mo1991 | pretty sure you are correct that system is overriding xfce power manager - just not sure how to fix |
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| 21:47.13 | somiaj | did you ensure you added and enabled that new unit that runs slock to lock your screen. Did you give it the correct display, username and path? |
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| 21:48.48 | mo1991 | somiaj - nope, I copied and pasted :) Lets try again. |
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| 21:49.39 | somiaj | mo1991: yea it will need to be adjusted to your setup |
| 21:50.05 | somiaj | you could also test it without suspending, 'systemctl status unitname' or 'systemctl start unitname' should lock your screen provided the unit is loaded and configured correctly |
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| 21:50.51 | f-a | I need to cut a portion of a gif, which program to use? |
| 21:50.53 | mo1991 | when you say "unit" what do you mean |
| 21:50.59 | mo1991 | somiaj above |
| 21:51.14 | somiaj | mo1991: that file you copied and pasted is a systemd unit |
| 21:51.37 | mo1991 | ok, how do I enable it? I"m not good at systemd |
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| 21:52.10 | somiaj | in this calse it is just called lock.service or lock for short, so 'systemctl status lock' should show you info about the unit, 'systemctl show lock' should show you the unit file, and 'systemctl start lock' should start/run that unit, which should lock your screen. |
| 21:52.29 | somiaj | mo1991: after you modify it, I think you need systmctl reload-daemons or something like that, one second |
| 21:52.35 | greycat | daemon-reload |
| 21:52.45 | somiaj | ahh it is daemon-reload, thanks greycat |
| 21:53.04 | greycat | you have to do that after you edit or create or delete *anything* |
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| 22:02.43 | mo1991 | somiaj - so far I do not seem to be able to get working slock on suspend |
| 22:02.48 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.22 | mo1991 | systemctl status lock shows above - seems to be disabled ..... |
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| 22:05.59 | dzz007 | Does anyone know how to perform a 80211X authentication on a wired connection? |
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| 22:09.51 | RoyK | dzz007: last I checked, 802.11 was wireless |
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| 22:11.46 | awwal | Any utility for make my screen "nocturne mode" or I don't know how to call it? |
| 22:12.07 | chaosstorm | i think you can use the .x as a client authentication via wired connections, i think some commercial company offering it as a service |
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| 22:13.23 | dzz007 | RoyK: Sorry my bad, i mean 802.1X |
| 22:13.44 | RoyK | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/8021X-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:15.42 | chaosstorm | ack. |
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| 22:16.03 | mo1991 | somiaj. Got it working thank you. Needed to enable the service. |
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| 22:27.32 | teraflops | somiaj: by using another method |
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| 22:32.14 | foul_owl | How do I preseed wifi ssid and psk? Thanks! |
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| 22:36.28 | teraflops | ,v redshift |
| 22:36.29 | judd | Package: redshift on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7-2; jessie: 1.9.1-4; buster: 1.11-1; sid: 1.11-1; stretch: 1.11-1 |
| 22:36.36 | teraflops | awwal: â |
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| 23:02.49 | sphalerite | Hi folks. Was hoping to get debian for ARM booting in QEMU. I found https://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php (which looks a bit outdated though). I tried using the netboot kernel and initramfs from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/ch05s01.html.en#boot-armhf-netboot.tar.gz |
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| 23:03.28 | sphalerite | but all I'm getting is my fan spinning up a bit :) has anyone done this successfully before? Do I need to stick U-Boot in the process somewhere? |
| 23:04.17 | sphalerite | to be clear: the command I used is `tar xf netboot.tar.gz; cd debian-installer/armhf; qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.gz -append "root=/dev/ram"` |
| 23:05.13 | sphalerite | i also tried adding -nographic and adding console=/dev/ttyS0 to the kernel params, that also didn't produce any output |
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| 23:06.46 | mnuhmnuh | sphalerite: for a gzipped tar, it should be tar xzf ... unless that's changed. |
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| 23:07.10 | sphalerite | mnuhmnuh: GNU tar magically detects that stuff nowadays :) |
| 23:07.27 | mnuhmnuh | damn, i'm old. |
| 23:07.52 | sphalerite | what a time to be alive! |
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| 23:09.03 | johnjay_ | can i have a way to install the tools necessary to build common debian packages? |
| 23:09.12 | johnjay_ | *that* would be magical! |
| 23:09.42 | sphalerite | "Aaaah, back in the day, we had to use gzip -d | tar x. None of your fancy compression support in tar. Do one thing and do it well!" |
| 23:09.45 | sphalerite | johnjay_: apt install build-essential |
| 23:10.03 | sphalerite | johnjay_: also apt-get build-dep <package> for specific packages |
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| 23:10.36 | johnjay_ | so i should just type apt-get build-dep <package1> <package2> <package3> where package1-3 are things i pick at random? |
| 23:10.47 | johnjay_ | i'm guessing vim and emacs aren't in that list |
| 23:11.41 | sphalerite | Well not at random. Pick the stuff you actually want to build :) |
| 23:12.02 | johnjay_ | well i tried that with fbi the other day |
| 23:12.13 | awwal | teraflops, thanks :) |
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| 23:12.19 | johnjay_ | didn't install half of the ones i needed, so i had to grep and guess for 10 minutes finding the names of the package it wanted |
| 23:12.32 | johnjay_ | e.g. freetype2 was libfreetype123-dev456, etc |
| 23:12.57 | johnjay_ | it's as if you think i haven't already tried the easiest option available when I ask what to do. :) |
| 23:14.27 | mnuhmnuh | johnjay_: learn to love "aptitude search", even if you don't use it for anything more than search. |
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| 23:15.03 | johnjay_ | well ultimately the problem is i'm on a low bandwidth connection |
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| 23:15.29 | johnjay_ | so if I install debian today and then use it tomorrow and tomorrow I find I lack package lib123, I have to wait around for an hour for it to download and install potentially |
| 23:15.49 | sphalerite | johnjay_: apt-get build-dep installed libfreetype6-dev for me just now |
| 23:16.01 | mnuhmnuh | johnjay_: i think it just searches the db updated by apt* update. |
| 23:16.01 | johnjay_ | sphalerite: you say that without a hint of irony |
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| 23:17.28 | sphalerite | johnjay_: if you don't know what you're going to build, I don't know what to say. |
| 23:18.14 | johnjay_ | sphalerite: well let me know when you do. in the meantime I'm going to figure out how to write an awk script to automatically install the first result of doing an apt-cache search -n query |
| 23:18.28 | sphalerite | johnjay_: if you temporarily have high-speed internet access, you could download the CDs and use them as an offline repository. Or make your own mirror |
| 23:19.38 | sphalerite | I don't see how that solves your problem |
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| 23:20.15 | johnjay_ | it doesn't? |
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| 23:20.37 | sphalerite | Then why would you do it? |
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| 23:21.35 | mnuhmnuh | sphalerite: i did to farm them out to others via transmission. give back, yada yada ... |
| 23:21.56 | johnjay_ | if the only solution is to be constantly typing "apt-cache search -n <foo> && sudo apt-get install <bar>" over and over |
| 23:22.04 | johnjay_ | then at least I can write a script to make it easier to type |
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| 23:22.38 | sphalerite | johnjay_: but apt-get build-dep fbi didn't get you everything you needed to build FBI? |
| 23:22.54 | sphalerite | Heh autocorrect capitalises FBI. |
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| 23:23.00 | johnjay_ | sphalerite: ... no? |
| 23:23.09 | johnjay_ | look i got things to do other than play 20 questions |
| 23:23.34 | johnjay_ | thanks for the dvd tip though. maybe i can download them at the library or something |
| 23:24.08 | sphalerite | johnjay_: that's exactly what it's supposed to do though. Either you did it wrong or you've found a bug in apt or the packaging. |
| 23:25.06 | johnjay_ | ok, so where do I file a bug report? |
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| 23:30.07 | sphalerite | bugs.debian.org. in this case it looks like an incompatibility between upstream and Debian though, which is handled in fbi's packaging |
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| 23:30.55 | sphalerite | I.e. vanilla fbi just won't build on Debian without some nasty hacks. But there's a patch which is applied when the package is built for Debian. |
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| 23:31.26 | johnjay_ | it built fine for me on my raspi, so i'll take your word for it |
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| 23:33.21 | sphalerite | Actually didn't take major hacks, just make JPEG_VER=62 |
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