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| 00:10.43 | themill | karstenk: you need to enable the particular postfix config you want to use -- see README.Debian |
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| 00:20.09 | pacha | hi everyone |
| 00:20.21 | bazhang | hi |
| 00:20.28 | pacha | when I kill my Xorg instance, it automatically restarts itself. is it possible to disable this behaviour? |
| 00:21.14 | bazhang | pacha, why not stop the ightdm or whichever service |
| 00:21.18 | bazhang | lightdm |
| 00:21.48 | pacha | bazhang: I use nodm |
| 00:22.46 | pacha | and my problem is that when I do "sudo reboot" or shutdown or similar, Xorg gets killed, and it starts again while rebooting |
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| 00:23.15 | pacha | Xorg and related things (my wm, some default applications that run on start up, etc) |
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| 00:24.08 | GhostwalkGames | Why is #debian more popular than #ubuntu on freenode? |
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| 00:40.25 | linurandy | hello to everyone i've problems with my hybrid wireless card, i can't create hotspot, join device by bluetooth and set in monitor's mode |
| 00:40.43 | linurandy | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
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| 00:48.13 | LtL | ,pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 00:48.15 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel modules 'bcma', 'brcmfmac' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
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| 00:49.41 | LtL | linurandy: that would be for you, see judd's msg above |
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| 00:52.40 | linurandy | judd: what i suppous tu do? |
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| 00:54.54 | LtL | linurandy: type lsmod see if those modules exist, if not 'modprobe -a bcma brcmfmac' no quotes. |
| 00:55.34 | LtL | !nl |
| 00:55.34 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 00:56.41 | linurandy | bcma 53248 0 |
| 00:56.52 | linurandy | LtL: bcma 53248 0 |
| 00:57.34 | LtL | linurandy: modprobe brcmfmac |
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| 00:58.57 | linurandy | LtL: I installed the b43-fwcutter and wl, is that enough or i run that command too? |
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| 01:00.16 | LtL | linurandy: why b43-fwcutter, did you get that information somewhere? |
| 01:00.25 | linurandy | LtL: what i do now. |
| 01:00.35 | linurandy | LtL: from #debian-es |
| 01:01.09 | linurandy | i ran modprobe, what i've to do now? |
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| 01:01.47 | LtL | linurandy: try the device |
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| 01:02.09 | linurandy | LtL: with the network-manager? |
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| 01:04.26 | linurandy | LtL: i'm tried create hotspot and nothing |
| 01:05.33 | linurandy | LtL: buetooth nothing |
| 01:05.58 | LtL | linurandy: b43-fwcutter i doubt was correct |
| 01:06.08 | LtL | try https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Broadcom_BCM4311.2C_BCM4312.2C_BCM4313.2C_BCM4321.2C_BCM4322.2C_BCM43224.2C_BCM43225.2C_BCM43227.2C_BCM43228.2C_BCM43142.2C_BCM4331.2C_BCM4352.2C_BCM4360_devices_.28wl.29 |
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| 01:11.12 | LtL | linurandy: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/broadcom-sta-dkms <- looks as though this is what you need. |
| 01:11.40 | LtL | linurandy: apt-get --purge remove b43-fwcutter and hope it works |
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| 01:13.58 | zRecursive | Still no sound: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=135448 |
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| 01:16.43 | linurandy | LtL: i was that package installed |
| 01:17.56 | linurandy | LtL: help me first to set a hotspot, 'cause when i use network-manager, nothing |
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| 01:18.09 | linurandy | LtL: or i'm doing some wrong |
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| 01:19.41 | LtL | linurandy: i have no experience with hotspot broadcom chipsets, maybe someone else can help you |
| 01:20.03 | linurandy | LtL: thanks |
| 01:20.17 | LtL | linurandy: i think b43-fwcutter was a mistake |
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| 01:20.33 | linurandy | hello to everyone i've problems with my hybrid wireless card, i can't create hotspot, join device by bluetooth and set in monitor's mode |
| 01:20.35 | linurandy | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
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| 01:24.49 | n4dir | iirc i was told broadcom isn't know to work well with debian (perhaps even gnu/linux in general). Pretty sure i do recall correct, as i got one myself (and can't set it up at all) |
| 01:25.32 | bazhang | it works, that 43xx is one of the best supported of the bunch, in fact |
| 01:25.37 | LtL | linurandy: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/broadcom-sta-dkms expressly states it works on that chipset. |
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| 01:26.18 | u0_a75 | hi |
| 01:26.25 | u0_a75 | i hate DTAG |
| 01:26.33 | castleguard | hey guys I'm looking for a gui ide, hopefully using gtk2, thinking about Lime Text and Geany Editor... not using vim/emacs yet... trying to put that off right now... any suggestions? |
| 01:26.41 | castleguard | I have used pycharm in the past and it's pretty sweet :) |
| 01:27.00 | u0_a75 | can you tell me a debian mirror that has good DTAG connection?? |
| 01:27.17 | linurandy | LtL: yes but i can't does that things |
| 01:27.37 | linurandy | LtL: i connect to another networks |
| 01:28.40 | u0_a75 | castleguard: did you tried pluma/gedit? |
| 01:29.24 | u0_a75 | in which direction do you want to go/what do you like or dislike on text editors? |
| 01:29.54 | n4dir | castleguard: which programming language? for C codelite and code::blocks come to mind. (the usual: vim or emacs proposal here, sure worth the effort, imho) |
| 01:30.22 | n4dir | i do recall that quite a few really liked geany though. |
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| 01:31.31 | u0_a75 | good dtag mirror or bad, any tests jet? |
| 01:32.01 | castleguard | u0_a75: never tried pluma, used to use gedit in the past... but not as a power user, just like a notepad. I think what I would like is the thing in pycharm where you can replace one thing and it changed it through the whole source, and where you can revert to previous versions of the code |
| 01:32.17 | castleguard | I'm planning on using python, c, c++ |
| 01:33.19 | castleguard | n4dir: will do re: vim/emacs but not today. :) |
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| 01:33.59 | n4dir | sure, slowly. vim sure was confusing for me (not that i could do that much now ... ) |
| 01:34.08 | u0_a75 | ok, i am using gvim for notes and pro stuff... |
| 01:34.28 | castleguard | n4dir: Trying to hit one learning curve at a time. so right now, git, and hopefully within a day or two, python. Minimizing editor learning for now. |
| 01:34.35 | u0_a75 | but its not a thing anybody likes... |
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| 01:34.57 | n4dir | replacing with vim is really good. not sure about different versions and going back (git comes to mind for such, i didn't know IDE's can do that. lol) |
| 01:35.50 | LtL | linurandy: you need kernel headers for the dkms package, translate the wiki to espanol |
| 01:36.28 | n4dir | i don't even know if more IDE's for C are available in debian , besides codeblocks and codelite (and there seems to be something from kde, but i never ran into it). castleguard |
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| 01:40.09 | linurandy | n4dir: Eclipse |
| 01:41.43 | LtL | #714114 |
| 01:41.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714114 in broadcom-sta-dkms (open): «broadcom-sta-dkms: driver breaks the whole system with linux 3.9»; severity: important; opened: 2013-06-25; last modified: 2013-09-19. |
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| 01:42.11 | castleguard | ok ty guys I appreciate it - decided on geany I guess... probably vim in a few months. :) |
| 01:42.34 | n4dir | linurandy: thanks. i should have stressed more that i only talked about what i ran into. |
| 01:42.37 | castleguard | ty for your help in the last few days - getting set up has been a pain but at the same time SO much easier than LFS/Gentoo |
| 01:42.40 | castleguard | like, so good. :) |
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| 01:44.53 | n4dir | castleguard: start right away, five minutes a day. esc :x to save and close; esc :!q to close without saving; i to insert text. |
| 01:45.01 | n4dir | :-) |
| 01:45.16 | n4dir | i had to kill the terminal to close it. lol |
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| 01:46.25 | LtL | linurandy: https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Broadcom_BCM4311.2C_BCM4312.2C_BCM4313.2C_BCM4321.2C_BCM4322.2C_BCM43224.2C_BCM43225.2C_BCM43227.2C_BCM43228.2C_BCM43142.2C_BCM4331.2C_BCM4352.2C_BCM4360_devices_.28wl.29 |
| 01:46.30 | johnjay | fun fact. on bsd there is some kind of vi called nvi which doesn't follow those keystroke commands n4dir |
| 01:46.44 | johnjay | I know because I tried hitting 'i' a lot as you suggested, and it did nothing. |
| 01:46.48 | LtL | linurandy: if it works at all, i would leave it be |
| 01:46.49 | johnjay | fortunately on bsd they have ee to edit text. |
| 01:47.29 | n4dir | johnjay: yeah. and per default usually vi is installed, not vim. Now i get around it, but in the beginning i went mad. |
| 01:49.27 | LtL | linurandy: https://tinyurl.com/ybvaexdo - if the URL is too long for your client. |
| 01:51.00 | linurandy | LtL: i've installed linux-image-4.9.0.4-amd64. is the same that linux-image-amd64? |
| 01:51.21 | LtL | linurandy: yes that is stable v9 |
| 01:51.38 | LtL | stretch |
| 01:51.46 | castleguard | n4dir: lol me too - that doesn't make it a bad suggestion though, build a good habit, :) I'm sure we'll see eachother around. :) |
| 01:51.48 | linurandy | LtL: i've installed all the package |
| 01:51.57 | linurandy | LtL: before |
| 01:52.14 | linurandy | LtL: 'cause i've installed virtualbox |
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| 01:54.39 | LtL | linurandy: maybe #vbox can help you. i'm not sure exactly what you are doing. |
| 01:56.07 | linurandy | LtL: sorry just tall you for understan that i've installed before |
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| 02:00.08 | awal1 | I noticied that battery ast much more time with 'gnome' compared to any other DE I tried. Any technical good clarification? |
| 02:00.39 | awal1 | I want to try to reproduce what gnome does, i possible, under my openbox :) |
| 02:00.56 | awal1 | battery lasts |
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| 02:05.18 | awal1 | (gnome sid version if any) |
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| 02:09.17 | n4dir | might be that some of this is enabled per default? https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/power.html.en awal1 |
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| 05:23.22 | incal | I'm using pic(1) to do a map, when I do a label and uses Swedish chars they turn out gibberish in the output drawing, unfortunately this is not technology but a drawing of some houses which has names that are impossible to translate without it looking silly, so I'd like not to do it - anyone has any idea how those chare could be quoted or otherwise inserted? it is part of the whole groff (roff) thing so I'm pretty sure it can be done if |
| 05:23.22 | incal | one knows how |
| 05:24.10 | incal | ha ha poor English - another reason not to translate it :) |
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| 06:20.50 | incal | OK found it, you do it like this for unicode \[u00E5] |
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| 06:34.49 | AciD` | hey guys |
| 06:35.35 | AciD` | anybody here managed to install fotowall to stretch? The package exists in wheezy, jessie and sid, but not in the current version, this is weird : https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fotowall |
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| 06:36.33 | xz | hi there, I just installed debian 9 on intel NUC. I have 2 displays, one 22inch full hd, another one Dell U3011 (2560x1600) |
| 06:36.48 | xz | the Dell max resolution is not recognized |
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| 06:37.19 | xz | Debian set it to 1920x1200; how do I manage to have that have maximum resolution? |
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| 06:37.26 | xz | I'm on Gnome |
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| 06:39.19 | xz | I also got warned when installing that some of the hardware (wifi/graphics) need extra non-free firmware |
| 06:39.24 | xz | maybe that's part of the problem |
| 06:40.42 | xz | lspci shows I'm using i915 driver |
| 06:41.06 | towo^work | that's only the kernel part |
| 06:41.25 | xz | towo^work: ok, do I need to add extra mode to xrandr ? |
| 06:41.28 | towo^work | for your problem the used ddx is important |
| 06:42.10 | towo^work | and if the gpu is >= skylake, you need non-free firmware for the graphics, for propper working graphics |
| 06:42.26 | xz | towo^work: ok, so how do I figure out all that? |
| 06:42.47 | towo^work | the used ddx is written in the Xorg.0.log |
| 06:42.59 | towo^work | what hardware you use, you should know yourself |
| 06:43.41 | towo^work | but lspci should tell you |
| 06:45.11 | zRecursive | diff of mpg123 and mpg321 ? |
| 06:45.41 | zRecursive | I am not very convenient to look it up now. |
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| 06:48.06 | xz | towo^work: I think it's using Xfree86 |
| 06:48.22 | zRecursive | Got it! mpg321 is a reduced mpg123, thx. |
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| 06:49.07 | xz | towo^work: and graphics card is Iris Graphics 6100 |
| 06:49.09 | towo^work | XFree86 is not a driver, it's a graphics stack, like wayland is one |
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| 06:51.42 | xz | towo^work: lsmod shows i915 |
| 06:51.44 | towo^work | ires 6100 should not need firmware, since it is Broadwell |
| 06:52.12 | towo^work | xz, again, i915 is a kernel driver, has nothing to do with the graphics resolution in x |
| 06:52.33 | xz | towo^work: I don't know how to find it then |
| 06:52.40 | towo^work | and debian is using modeset-ddx a s default for intel graphics |
| 06:52.49 | xz | most of the Xorg log is modesets and resolutions |
| 06:53.02 | towo^work | xz, read it again, Xorg.0.log will tell you, which ddx is used |
| 06:53.18 | towo^work | and maybe modeset-ddx is your problem |
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| 06:53.45 | towo^work | if you want to try the intel-ddx, you need to make a xorg.conf snipped for it |
| 06:54.42 | xz | towo^work: LoadModule: "glx" ? |
| 06:54.56 | towo^work | and btw, if the native resolution is not recognized propper, even a bad cable could be the cause, or an maybe used adaptor |
| 06:55.42 | xz | towo^work: I had exactly same setup with Mac connected and they picked up native resoultion for both displays on the spot |
| 06:56.47 | xz | towo^work: and it's Mac Mini from 2010, so nothing brand new |
| 06:56.57 | towo^work | macos does not have the same graphics stack as linux is using, so you compare apples to pears |
| 06:57.20 | towo^work | mac is no standard hardware for the rest of the world, i'm out here |
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| 06:57.44 | xz | towo^work: all I'm saying cable is not the one to blame |
| 06:59.06 | towo^work | if you think so, i will not believe it |
| 06:59.39 | towo^work | if X doesn't get a vald EDID from the monitor, you won't get a propper resolution |
| 07:00.02 | xz | towo^work: are you suggesting I try software solution, or look for another cable? |
| 07:00.16 | xz | towo^work: I have some random cables around house |
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| 07:00.32 | towo^work | i would read the x-log, it's all there |
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| 07:03.34 | xz | towo^work: regarding modules I found: glx, fbdev, vesa, fbdevhw, glamoregl |
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| 07:04.52 | xz | towo^work: https://pastebin.com/cei5yqAg |
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| 07:06.57 | xz | towo^work: um, that's better one: https://pastebin.com/zNX4dPgS |
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| 07:10.18 | towo^work | your sytem is using modesetting ddx, as i told you earlyer |
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| 07:10.51 | towo^work | the system gets only 1600x1200 as maximum resolution per edid |
| 07:11.20 | xz | towo^work: how can I fix it? |
| 07:11.31 | towo^work | so you can try to ad a new modeline, try the intel ddx, or try another cable |
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| 07:11.52 | xz | alright, I will start with modeline |
| 07:11.56 | xz | that's with xrandr, right? |
| 07:12.05 | towo^work | sure |
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| 07:15.24 | xz | so I did cvt 2560 1600, xrandr --newmode "....", xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 "2560x1600_60.00" and xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode "2560x1600_60.00" |
| 07:15.31 | xz | no change |
| 07:15.38 | xz | only: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
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| 07:16.20 | xz | towo^work: so next is intel ddx, how do I get that? |
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| 07:16.55 | towo^work | [07:53:45] <towo^work> if you want to try the intel-ddx, you need to make a xorg.conf snipped for it |
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| 07:17.49 | towo^work | xz, mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf |
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| 07:20.02 | xz | towo^work: ok I have the file, do I reboot, or reload it somehow? |
| 07:20.14 | towo^work | xz, you have to restart X |
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| 07:22.21 | xz | towo^work: ok, that didn't change anything yet |
| 07:22.26 | xz | towo^work: should I redo xrandr? |
| 07:24.02 | xz | towo^work: redoing xrandr didn't change anything |
| 07:24.12 | xz | towo^work: I can connect it over DisplayPort instead of HDMI |
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| 07:31.15 | xz | towo^work: displayport cable pushes full 2560x1600 without a problem |
| 07:31.21 | xz | towo^work: I guess you were right |
| 07:31.35 | xz | towo^work: HDMI could only go up to 1920x1200 |
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| 07:32.03 | xz | towo^work: that doesn't change the fact, however, that Mac Mini pushed full 2560x1600 over that very same HDMI cable |
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| 07:34.44 | xz | should I revert back that 'intel ddx' change? |
| 07:35.22 | towo^work | i would use the intel driver, if it is running stable |
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| 07:44.10 | xz | towo^work: thanks for your insights! |
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| 08:49.13 | silver_hook | While trying to fix a bug with Pythonâs ConfigParser and Certbot (Debian Stretch), I figured out that I canât even force remove the faulty package: http://paste.debian.net/998478/ |
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| 08:49.28 | silver_hook | The original issue Iâm trying to fix: http://paste.debian.net/998348/ |
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| 09:00.54 | Simplar | Hello! I am running a 32-bit Opera 45.0.2552.898 on Debian 8 Jessie. I have a problem inserting H.264 support in it. |
| 09:01.25 | bazhang | ,v x264 |
| 09:01.26 | judd | Package: x264 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; jessie: 2:0.142.2431+gita5831aa-1+b2; jessie-backports: 2:0.148.2748+git97eaef2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:0.148.2748+git97eaef2-1; buster: 2:0.148.2795+gitaaa9aa8-1; sid: 2:0.148.2795+gitaaa9aa8-1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:0.132.2310+git76a5c3a-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 3:0.146.2538+git121396c-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: |
| 09:01.27 | judd | 3:0.150.2833+gitdf79067-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 3:0.152.2851+gitba24899-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 3:0.152.2851+gitba24899-dmo2 |
| 09:02.06 | Simplar | Various forums say I need to include ffmpeg codecs in Opera |
| 09:02.07 | bazhang | install that for starters |
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| 09:02.35 | bazhang | opera may have a plugin encoder to get |
| 09:02.40 | Simplar | I've managed to get Vivaldi working with Chromium's ffmpeg codecs but I cannot find the right version for Opera |
| 09:02.42 | bazhang | firefox and others do |
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| 09:06.53 | Simplar | I've seen herecura publishing the 64-bit version of opera-ffmpeg-codecs, his i686 folder is somehow empty |
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| 09:22.47 | Simplar | https://fedora.pkgs.org/25/russian-fedora-nonfree-updates-i386/opera-beta-libffmpeg-59.0.3067.6-1.fc25.R.i686.rpm.html |
| 09:22.53 | Simplar | Here is the solution |
| 09:22.57 | Simplar | It worked for me. |
| 09:23.24 | bazhang | rpm on debian? |
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| 09:28.02 | karstenk_ | Hello! I try to install https://packages.debian.org/de/source/stretch/libjpeg-turbo but it cant find an installation candidat. How to sort out? |
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| 09:30.11 | babilen | karstenk_: Which package of the few that are linked on that page? |
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| 09:43.28 | karstenk_ | babilen could solve, my mistake - thanks |
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| 09:44.20 | karstenk_ | but another problem with starting services I think, never seen before: insserv: There is a loop between service nscd and mysql if started |
| 09:44.44 | DimmuR | Hey I'm trying to install debian 9.2 on dell xps (no lan) and I have trouble with wifi detection. I've downloaded firmware https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/tree/master/QCA6174 but I'm getting missing files like ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin, ath10k/cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin, hw3.0/firmware-5.bin, hw3.0/board-2.bin and hw3.0 board.bin - should I copy some specific file under that name? |
| 09:44.57 | karstenk_ | is there any command to print out the sequence of services? |
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| 09:46.10 | jelly | DimmuR: the driver just needs to find a single (board) firmware; it tries multiple because one might have more than one ath10k card in their system and load different firmware for each |
| 09:46.56 | darxmurf | \o/ just finished to deal with a Windows NT4 computer running a milling machine \o/ #FunFriday |
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| 09:48.15 | bazhang | what sort of milling |
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| 09:48.22 | jelly | DimmuR: sorry, one "board" and one "firmware" firmware |
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| 09:49.51 | darxmurf | bazhang: mechanics |
| 09:50.08 | DimmuR | jelly, i have QCA6174/hw3.0 and inside board.bin and board-2.bin and firmware-4.bin (that was in repository) and have only one card, but it still notifying me about not finding those files |
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| 09:51.18 | DimmuR | jelly, are those pre-cal and cal files just copies of board.bin? |
| 09:51.47 | jelly | I think so. |
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| 09:52.11 | jelly | or maybe not |
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| 09:53.05 | jelly | DimmuR: this is from my router (not debian, but PCIe card using same driver): http://paste.debian.net/998485/ |
| 09:54.54 | DimmuR | jelly, so despite fact of the same size they are different... I don't see those pre-cal/cal files in repo :/ |
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| 10:11.10 | karstenk_ | How to get libjpeg8 for debian stretch? |
| 10:11.38 | babilen | karstenk_: You don't, that's a wheezy library |
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| 10:12.11 | babilen | Recompile the software against the current library (if that works/make it work if it doesn't) |
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| 10:14.29 | karstenk_ | babilen , that means not installable? sry iam new with debian |
| 10:15.05 | karstenk_ | I need it to install a special wkhtmtopdf 0.12.1 with patched qt |
| 10:15.17 | karstenk_ | and that needs that libary |
| 10:16.14 | babilen | karstenk_: You might be able to install the wheezy package manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/package.deb;apt-get -f install", but that might also not work (remove with with "dpkg --purge libjpeg8" in that case) and cause all sorts of pain |
| 10:16.56 | babilen | judd: v wkhtmltopdf |
| 10:16.57 | judd | Package: wkhtmltopdf on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.9-4; wheezy-backports: 0.12.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.12.1-2; buster: 0.12.3.2-3; sid: 0.12.3.2-3; stretch: 0.12.3.2-3 |
| 10:17.09 | Iridos | why can't you compile with a current library? |
| 10:17.12 | babilen | karstenk_: Why not install the wkhtmltopdf that comes with Debian? |
| 10:17.29 | babilen | "apt-get install wkhtmltopdf" and you're done |
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| 10:17.55 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 10:17.57 | karstenk_ | cause my erp is not compatible, need patched qt and the from apt repos is 0.12.3 without patch |
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| 10:18.09 | fredl | d'oh |
| 10:18.14 | babilen | erp? |
| 10:18.21 | karstenk_ | odoo |
| 10:18.24 | fredl | why do even silly bootloaders have to become so complicated |
| 10:18.30 | fredl | I want LILO back :) |
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| 10:18.50 | babilen | karstenk_: What's this "erp" that's not compatible? |
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| 10:19.04 | karstenk_ | babilen odoo |
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| 10:19.41 | fredl | anyway folks, I'm trying to reinstall grub on my HD |
| 10:19.45 | babilen | karstenk_: Please go on, I don't quite yet understand how that relates to Debian |
| 10:20.26 | karstenk_ | you asked, I answered, my question was how to get libjpeg8 on stretch |
| 10:20.34 | fredl | So what is this then: |
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| 10:20.41 | fredl | root@debian:/# grub-install --target=i386-pc --recheck /dev/sdb |
| 10:20.41 | fredl | Installing for i386-pc platform. |
| 10:20.41 | fredl | grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'. |
| 10:20.54 | fredl | I mean... WTF? |
| 10:21.04 | babilen | karstenk_: No, sure .. but you shouldn't have a problem at all with qt on a standard Debian installation |
| 10:21.26 | fredl | and yes I know, I have BIOS partitions, not EFI, I'm old :D |
| 10:21.44 | babilen | karstenk_: Either way, if you don't like to discuss this further, see above for additional information |
| 10:23.30 | karstenk_ | babilen thanks for help. dpkg -i libjpeg8_8d-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb worked and the result pdf is also correct |
| 10:23.30 | Iridos | you can always just unpack the wheezy package, put the software in its own directory, put the library there as well and write a wrapper to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH before the program is called |
| 10:23.36 | babilen | In fact the software you want to install is *already* available in Debian and I see no reason why it wouldn't work on Debian |
| 10:23.53 | Iridos | but we seriously wonder why |
| 10:24.18 | fredl | nobody? |
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| 10:24.51 | Franciman | Hello |
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| 10:25.54 | Franciman | I'd like to switch to debian. But is there an internet webpage that shows me the list of packages and their version in the repos? |
| 10:26.21 | babilen | Franciman: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:26.35 | babilen | aka https://packages.debian.org |
| 10:26.35 | Franciman | thank you very much |
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| 11:15.56 | hhes | hey, on my fresh debian 9 I can see: https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/ae68ce79 doubled mount |
| 11:16.11 | hhes | does anybody know why it's like that? |
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| 11:29.49 | anirban | I am unable to use sudo in debian stretch. I have myself added to the sudo group and my sudoers file reads 'sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL'. |
| 11:31.36 | p0g0 | anirban: does 'su -l' work in a console? |
| 11:31.46 | p0g0 | it is not the same, I am just asking. |
| 11:32.00 | anirban | Yeah, p0g0 |
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| 11:32.35 | castleguard | just curious if anyone can hear me? |
| 11:33.33 | p0g0 | hear? |
| 11:34.33 | themill | anirban: are you actually in the sudo group? (what does 'id' output) |
| 11:35.06 | anirban | uid=1000(anirban) gid=1000(anirban) groups=1000(anirban),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),113(bluetooth),115(lpadmin),116(scanner),124(libvirt),129(vboxusers) |
| 11:35.32 | themill | good to see |
| 11:36.06 | castleguard | p0g0: :) thanks man |
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| 11:37.41 | castleguard | I'm running into an issue with dwm where it "steals" my keystrokes. For instance, if I'm using gedit and try to hit alt-f to access the file menu in gedit it switches to floating mode in dwm instead. How do I specify that I'm talking to a different program than dwm? |
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| 11:51.08 | anirban | Any suggestions themill? |
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| 11:53.47 | castleguard | Out of curiosity, does anyone use .Xresources to set stuff like terminal colours etc here? |
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| 11:58.15 | booyah | castleguard: I did on one computer once. |
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| 12:07.23 | castleguard | booyah: I'm googling it, but ty |
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| 12:09.59 | castleguard | got it. :) |
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| 12:25.46 | Lope | I'd like to run many FTP servers on a single public IP address, each FTP server inside a LAN IP for it's respective VM. I'd like to run some kind of reverse proxy server on the root server (that has the public IP). I've searched the repos for FTP reverse-proxy servers but didn't find anything. I've heard that jftpgw can do it but it looks like it was last updated in 2004! |
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| 12:34.29 | xand | Lope: because FTP is deprecated |
| 12:34.53 | Lope | xand: okay but basically all web developers use it? |
| 12:35.12 | Lope | I'm providing hosting for a client who's most likely going to want FTP access |
| 12:35.17 | xand | they should be using SFTP or SCP these days |
| 12:35.30 | xand | FTP is insecure among other problems |
| 12:35.38 | xand | use FTP if you want your website to be compromised |
| 12:35.42 | Lope | I didn't know SFTP was used much in industry |
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| 12:36.00 | Lope | I'm guessing there are popular windows/mac SFTP clients? |
| 12:36.25 | Lope | In that case, is there a reverse-proxy SFTP server available for debian? |
| 12:36.55 | Lope | Because I'll want to run a separate SFTP server on each VM and each VM is on a LAN IP on the server, with one public IP. |
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| 12:38.13 | xand | Lope: either way you can't do that because SSH doesn't support "vhosts" |
| 12:38.20 | Lope | xand: Oh LOL I thought you meant "Simple File Transfer Protocol" but you probably meant "SSH File transfer protocol" |
| 12:38.32 | Lope | I didn't know it was abbreviated as SFTP |
| 12:38.58 | xand | you could use different ports |
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| 12:39.15 | Lope | can we really expect windows and mac users to use SSH and custom ports? |
| 12:39.22 | Lope | It's probably asking a bit much from them. |
| 12:40.11 | xand | they can use winscp and just put the port number |
| 12:40.29 | Lope | Hmm, I've used winSCP, it was quite friendly... |
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| 12:41.22 | ntz3615 | Lope: despite the name, winscp can do sftp only (without needing a shell on the server side, like scp does) |
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| 12:41.58 | Lope | Just looking at 1and1.com web hosting as a representative of industry. I see they provide FTP accounts with every website. But they also provide SSH access. |
| 12:43.12 | Lope | ntz3615: sorry I don't understand your statement. You're saying I need to provide customers with shell access if I want them to be able to use winscp? |
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| 12:43.59 | ntz3615 | Lope: no, you *don't* need shell access for sftp protocol. and winscp can also use sftp protocol. |
| 12:44.13 | Lope | The problem though is if it gets hacked and messed up etc, customer is going to point at me, not their designers etc. |
| 12:44.34 | ntz3615 | Lope: if you are using the scp command (from openssh) on the command line, then you need a shell on the server side |
| 12:44.53 | Lope | ntz3615: xand according to wikipedia SFTP can mean one of 2 things, so it's a bit ambiguous |
| 12:44.53 | Lope | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#Simple_File_Transfer_Protocol |
| 12:45.21 | Lope | Simple File Transfer Protocol (the first protocol abbreviated SFTP), as defined by RFC 913, was proposed as an (unsecured) file transfer protocol with a level of complexity intermediate between TFTP and FTP. It was never widely accepted on the Internet, and is now assigned Historic status by the IETF. |
| 12:45.22 | xand | the one you use with the sftp utility |
| 12:45.29 | xand | the SSH one. |
| 12:45.47 | Lope | The SSH file transfer protocol (chronologically the second of the two protocols abbreviated SFTP) transfers files and has a similar command set for users, but uses the Secure Shell protocol (SSH) to transfer files. Unlike FTP, it encrypts both commands and data, preventing passwords and sensitive information from being transmitted openly over the network. It cannot interoperate with FTP software. |
| 12:46.14 | Lope | so winSCP uses SSH File Transfer Protocol |
| 12:46.21 | ntz3615 | Lope: yes |
| 12:46.27 | Lope | Does that mean I'd give the users a /bin/true shell? |
| 12:46.55 | ntz3615 | Lope: i guess it would work |
| 12:46.59 | Lope | (so that they can copy stuff with winSCP |
| 12:47.14 | Lope | Okay. Thanks, that's helpful. I guess custom ports are a necessity. |
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| 12:52.28 | Lope | I see winSCP is windows only, but there are mac things like Rbrowser etc. |
| 12:52.38 | Lope | I see godaddy web hosting also still offers FTP. |
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| 12:52.55 | ntz3615 | don't know about mac |
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| 12:56.21 | JustASlacker | winscp runs fine with wine :D |
| 12:57.28 | ntz3615 | Lope: argh, using /bin/true as shell for sftp only does not work, because sshd then runs "/bin/true -c /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" to start the sftp server... |
| 12:57.41 | Lope | well personally I just use sshfs |
| 12:57.51 | Lope | but that probably won't work on a shellless account. |
| 12:58.46 | Lope | ntz3615: yeah that's what I thought. You can't get SSH file transfer without a SSH account. |
| 12:58.53 | ntz3615 | Lope: yes, but only because sshd uses the configured login shell to start sftp-server |
| 12:58.55 | Lope | And the client asked for "Shell access anyway" |
| 12:58.59 | JustASlacker | you use rssh for that |
| 12:59.02 | ntz3615 | Lope: otherwise it would work |
| 12:59.08 | Lope | So I'll just give them shell access but lock it down somehow. |
| 12:59.09 | JustASlacker | http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ |
| 12:59.19 | JustASlacker | Lope: ^ |
| 12:59.29 | bezaban | you used to be able to just set /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server as the shell I think |
| 12:59.35 | bezaban | not sure if that is still good practice |
| 12:59.41 | Lope | RSSH is a terrible name for the restricted shell. |
| 12:59.57 | bezaban | this is a problem solved many times over, so can't be that hard :) |
| 13:00.22 | Lope | rssh means reverse SSH. where the server makes an outgoing connection. |
| 13:00.44 | JustASlacker | well, maybe bad name. its in debian and works nicely |
| 13:00.46 | ntz3615 | Lope: i built my own solution for sftp only by running a minimal chroot environment with dropbear and sftp-server. in the chroot, /bin/sh is just a symlink to sftp-server :) |
| 13:01.14 | BCMM | isn't ForceCommand internal-sftp the right way to do this? |
| 13:01.20 | Lope | I made a fake shell once to allow SSH port forwarding. |
| 13:01.29 | Lope | I wrote it in C. |
| 13:01.53 | Lope | but it couldn't do anything useful other than allow a connection to stay open and type dots in the screen :) |
| 13:01.55 | jelly | BCMM: yes, but it has some issues |
| 13:02.01 | ntz3615 | BCMM: i thought so, but does it really implement the full sftp protocol? |
| 13:02.07 | JustASlacker | apt install rssh; adduser foo --shell rssh # done |
| 13:02.16 | jelly | ntz3615: it does. |
| 13:02.43 | Lope | JustASlacker: brilliant, thanks buddy |
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| 13:03.07 | Lope | rssh - Restricted shell allowing scp, sftp, cvs, svn, rsync or rdist |
| 13:03.10 | JustASlacker | take a look in /etc/rssh for the allowed protocols. can add rsync as well for example |
| 13:03.21 | jelly | all the resticted shells that allow for scp have a history of security issues; prefer sftp only if possible |
| 13:03.40 | Lope | what if you want to allow them to be able to run an additional script? |
| 13:03.48 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.05 | ntz3615 | jelly: yeah, i also don't trust the concept of a restricted shell |
| 13:04.16 | JustASlacker | then you have to much around with sshd_config |
| 13:04.37 | Lope | sshd_config sucks for trying to restrict a user |
| 13:04.45 | Lope | basically not an option. |
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| 13:05.33 | ntz3615 | jelly: that's why i build my sftpjail thing, running a non-root dropbear server with /bin/sh symlinked to sftp-server. of course auth is limited to pubkey, because the non-root running dropbear wouldn't be able the read /etc/shadow. |
| 13:06.48 | Lope | JustASlacker: I looked through /etc/rssh.conf it's nice that you can turn on and off scp cvs svnserve etc etc. But it doesn't offer allowing the user to run a specific script |
| 13:06.56 | Lope | which would be nice. |
| 13:07.14 | Lope | Can you give the rssh user sudo access (then specify the script in sudoers) ? |
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| 13:16.19 | Lope | I see filezilla supports SFTP. And filezilla works on win/lin/mac |
| 13:16.34 | ntz3615 | nice |
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| 13:16.55 | jelly | Lope: just put them in a whole chroot or container just for them, and use a kernel with decent chroot/container separation (ie. not normal linux kernel; grsec, or bsd) |
| 13:17.02 | ntz3615 | too bad sshfs only exists for linux |
| 13:17.10 | Mathisen | not true |
| 13:17.27 | jelly | ntz3615: there's FUSE for mac and even windows, it ought to be doable there |
| 13:17.29 | Mathisen | https://github.com/Foreveryone-cz/win-sshfs/releases |
| 13:17.39 | ntz3615 | wow |
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| 13:25.47 | ntz3615 | Mathisen: well, win-sshfs required dotnet runtime bloatware... (but i guess we are getting off topic :)) |
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| 13:26.13 | Mathisen | well that does not mean it does not exist :) |
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| 13:26.42 | Mathisen | and yeah not debian related, anyway i use it on a win machine and it is working |
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| 13:27.09 | Lope | Good stuff guys |
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| 14:54.34 | alejandro | ciao |
| 14:55.01 | alejandro | italiani che mi possono aiutare con mirc? |
| 14:55.26 | mtn | !it |
| 14:55.26 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:55.38 | alejandro | grazie |
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| 15:05.54 | mandeep | is there a recommended true crypt alternative? i looked at veracrypt but it seems the debian counsel rejected its license |
| 15:07.01 | hhes | hey, looks like debian mounts /run as shared by default |
| 15:07.08 | hhes | how can I change this behaviour? |
| 15:07.31 | kaizoku | mandeep, is luks unsuitable? |
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| 15:11.29 | mandeep | kaizoku: luks is fine but im not too familiar with it. |
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| 15:13.05 | mandeep | are there front ends available for luks or do most people just use cryptsetup? |
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| 15:13.33 | tw | I usually only use the debian installer. |
| 15:13.44 | mandeep | ? |
| 15:13.56 | tw | for creating encrypted disks. |
| 15:14.11 | mandeep | i want to create encrypted file containers as well |
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| 15:15.06 | jelly | how do I tell mdadm on stretch to NEVER touch or assemble a specific array? It's not listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 15:15.37 | jelly | and yet, it does |
| 15:15.38 | jelly | md127 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 dm-3[2](W) |
| 15:16.34 | jelly | (it did not do this on jessie, also with systemd) |
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| 15:20.26 | Iridos | how does it even know about it if it's not in mdadm.conf |
| 15:20.35 | tw | probably uses --scan |
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| 15:23.15 | tw | mandeep: zulucrypt/zulumount? |
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| 15:23.25 | tw | which is a FE for cryptsetup. |
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| 15:23.55 | n4dir | mandeep: not sure what you mean with file containers, encrypted files? |
| 15:24.52 | jelly | Iridos: udev? no idea |
| 15:25.45 | duser | I have a csv file. some of beginning of each line contain BOM character. I tried dos2unix but it doesn't remove BOM character in the rest of csv file. |
| 15:25.46 | n4dir | mandeep: anyway, you may have a look at encfs and for the most easy case simply encrypt a file with gpg |
| 15:26.16 | jelly | it finds it and somehow brings up a partial array as md127 or md126, when in reality it's a backend, remote member of an array on a remote system |
| 15:26.20 | duser | Other solutions like using sed -e '1s/^\xEF\xBB\xBF//' |
| 15:26.24 | duser | doesn't work either. |
| 15:26.42 | duser | how can i remove BOM in the beginning each line in the file. |
| 15:27.00 | tw | file containers usually means the equivalent of file loopback + block encryption + filesystem on that. |
| 15:27.17 | jelly | duser: each line? that thing ought to exist only on first line |
| 15:27.52 | jelly | duser: don't tell sed to only remote it on line 1, remove that 1 from your sed program |
| 15:27.57 | duser | yea. it's a csv obtained from a third party. : ( |
| 15:27.57 | jelly | remove* it |
| 15:28.20 | tw | ^- drop the 1 before the s |
| 15:29.06 | n4dir | the web says vim can remove it: :set nobomb |
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| 15:35.45 | jelly | but does vim expect it appearing where it should not be |
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| 15:38.18 | Iridos | jelly, are they listed separately if you call systemctl? |
| 15:38.32 | Iridos | if so, I guess you could deactivate them there |
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| 15:39.07 | Iridos | at least I hope that's why there is a section "device" in this |
| 15:39.18 | mandeep | tw: n4dir: thanks ill take a look |
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| 15:39.38 | domovoy | hi |
| 15:40.06 | tw | jelly: cron.daily/mdadm:: $MDADM --monitor --scan --oneshot |
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| 15:40.30 | tw | I suspect that's opening it. |
| 15:40.41 | castleguard | silly question but can I put a # at the end of anything in a bash script and comment at the end of the line? |
| 15:40.48 | tw | Though I wouldn't think it'd try to assemble it =/ |
| 15:40.58 | castleguard | I know that in a .h file it doesn't seem to work like that (/* */ instead) |
| 15:42.08 | jelly | --monitor is just for reporting I think |
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| 15:43.21 | jelly | there's a sys-devices-virtual-block-md127.device loaded active plugged /sys/devices/virtual/block/md127 |
| 15:43.34 | n4dir | castleguard: you mean like " printf "hello world\n" # this is an easy example for printf " ; ? |
| 15:43.35 | duser | oh didn't notice there is 1 before s. Thanks for helping out! that works now! |
| 15:43.57 | n4dir | that is: you want code and comment on one line ? |
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| 15:49.47 | castleguard | n4dir: yeah :) |
| 15:49.59 | n4dir | Yes, you can do that. |
| 15:50.00 | castleguard | sorry I should have just tested that with something cheap like ls |
| 15:50.11 | castleguard | *safe |
| 15:50.17 | n4dir | See here (though it is for commandline, but the same is valid for a script): |
| 15:50.30 | n4dir | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/CommandsAndArguments |
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| 15:51.41 | n4dir | after the first code block. In general mywiki.wooledge.org is very good (as far i can tell). Mainly have a close look at the pitfalls http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls (also use shellcheck.net, it will point out many errors) |
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| 15:54.58 | ddesorden | Visit ddesorden.neocities.org and safe your world |
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| 15:55.40 | teraflops | !kick ddesorden |
| 15:55.40 | dpkg | kicks ddesorden in the crotch. |
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| 15:58.39 | RoyK | !ops |
| 15:58.40 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 16:02.54 | abrotman | Hi ... |
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| 16:10.25 | sjklf | hey |
| 16:10.31 | sjklf | is this a help channel ? |
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| 16:11.42 | RoyK | !ask |
| 16:11.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:12.30 | sjklf | does anybody know what point linux is |
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| 16:13.10 | sjklf | i can show you the kernel im running |
| 16:13.11 | sjklf | etc.. |
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| 16:14.43 | sjklf | this prolly hackable |
| 16:14.48 | RoyK | uname -r ? |
| 16:14.57 | RoyK | lsb_release -a |
| 16:15.07 | sjklf | Linux bjhssss 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:15.08 | RoyK | tell sjklf about handbook |
| 16:15.19 | sjklf | what is it ? |
| 16:15.20 | RoyK | dpkg: tell sjklf about handbook |
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| 16:15.59 | sjklf | i dont think my computer is fast enough |
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| 16:16.37 | sjklf | i only have 1 chip of ram in it |
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| 16:17.36 | RoyK | sjklf: I suggest you read the handbook, at least some, first, since it seems you're quite new at this |
| 16:18.10 | sjklf | i might download redhat |
| 16:18.38 | RoyK | sjklf: it won't help much :) |
| 16:18.45 | RoyK | SkIzZaTo: what is the problem, really? |
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| 16:18.47 | sjklf | yes it will |
| 16:18.56 | sjklf | but then no web browser |
| 16:19.08 | RoyK | well, redhat's commercial |
| 16:19.14 | RoyK | it's been that for 15 years or so |
| 16:19.31 | sjklf | yeah shrike was good |
| 16:19.35 | sjklf | 9.0 |
| 16:19.45 | RoyK | oops - that was some time ago :D |
| 16:19.52 | RoyK | pastebin output of "free", please |
| 16:20.00 | RoyK | dpkg: tell sjklf about pastebin |
| 16:20.05 | sjklf | Linux version 3.16.0-4-686-pae (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) |
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| 16:20.59 | sjklf | RoyK, my web browser lags out |
| 16:21.07 | sjklf | i only got 500mb of ram |
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| 16:21.19 | RoyK | sjklf: that's just the kernel version and doesn't say much except you're running a 32bit version of linux |
| 16:21.36 | sjklf | it said i686 |
| 16:21.53 | RoyK | sjklf: 500 megs is really on the low end if this is meant to be a desktop machine, and yes, i686 is 32bit |
| 16:22.11 | RoyK | most pc hardware from around 10+ years back has been 64bit |
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| 16:22.22 | sjklf | its a pentium 4 |
| 16:22.59 | RoyK | you might be better off with a raspberry pi :D |
| 16:23.21 | sjklf | when i got it was running windows 2000 and i put the usb stick in it put this linux on |
| 16:23.47 | sjklf | took me a while to figure out the BIOS but yer |
| 16:23.50 | sjklf | finally got it working |
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| 16:24.14 | sjklf | more ram |
| 16:24.17 | sjklf | ddr |
| 16:24.26 | RoyK | I doubt that is DDR, though |
| 16:24.35 | sjklf | ddr2 |
| 16:24.37 | sjklf | ? |
| 16:24.47 | RoyK | in a 14 year old machine? |
| 16:24.54 | sjklf | not sd ram thats for sure |
| 16:24.56 | RoyK | open a terminal and run "lshw | pastebinit" |
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| 16:25.21 | RoyK | you may have to 'apt-get install lshw pastebinit' first |
| 16:25.40 | sjklf | WARNING: output may be incomplete or inaccurate, you should run this program as super-user. |
| 16:25.53 | RoyK | add 'sudo' in front |
| 16:26.05 | sjklf | su |
| 16:26.25 | RoyK | sjklf: sudo apt-get install lshw pastebinit |
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| 16:26.35 | RoyK | then sudo lshw | pastebinit |
| 16:26.54 | RoyK | or just su - |
| 16:27.45 | sjklf | root@bjhssss:/home/blah# lshw | pastebinit |
| 16:27.46 | sjklf | Bad API request, invalid api_dev_key |
| 16:28.33 | RoyK | get a raspberry pi |
| 16:28.38 | RoyK | it's $50 or so |
| 16:28.48 | RoyK | and it's probably faster than that PoS |
| 16:28.49 | sjklf | i got a fone |
| 16:29.01 | n4dir | I got Pentium 4's. With modern webbrowsers you will have got hard times. Try something like netsurf or dillo or a command line webbrowser |
| 16:29.06 | jelly | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com |
| 16:29.26 | sjklf | lynx |
| 16:29.28 | RoyK | it's not really the webbrowser that's the problem, it's the web pages |
| 16:29.32 | n4dir | You might also give Slitaz a try. I installed it on a Pentium 3 with 256 of RAM, and it does the job very well |
| 16:30.03 | n4dir | but if you find a workaroung for the Web (thanks, RoyK ), then debian should run very well too |
| 16:30.04 | RoyK | n4dir: that's not a lot :) |
| 16:30.07 | sjklf | might try that |
| 16:30.37 | sjklf | just have to get the iso on a usb stick |
| 16:30.45 | sjklf | or burn a cd |
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| 16:31.08 | n4dir | RoyK Yeah, thats a tough one. Had fun for a couple of nights, but then gave up on it (my main machines also got lousy specs, so ... ) |
| 16:31.22 | RoyK | slackware, perhaps? |
| 16:31.26 | RoyK | with fvwm2? |
| 16:31.27 | sjklf | hmmm |
| 16:31.30 | RoyK | :D |
| 16:31.55 | n4dir | I got slackware installed. Can't say it is better with low specs than debian is |
| 16:32.18 | jelly | fvwm2? 1.24r or death |
| 16:32.39 | RoyK | as I said, the main problem is that today's webpages are *huge* compared to the amount of memory in that old box |
| 16:33.23 | sjklf | what does |
| 16:33.25 | sjklf | dd command do |
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| 16:33.35 | sjklf | nothing' |
| 16:33.47 | sjklf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.41 | sjklf | just put the iso on a usb stick ? |
| 16:35.31 | sjklf | fuck it im installing redhat |
| 16:35.53 | petn-randall | sjklf: Good luck! |
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| 16:36.15 | sjklf | should work nicely with this hardware |
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| 16:43.39 | RoyK | sjklf: old redhat? keep in mind that 15 years of debugging have shown quite a number of interesting bugs, and old software isn't patched, so using such old software as web client is *not* good. You'll be r00ted within minutes. |
| 16:44.40 | jelly | or not, becuase no automated tools even try old exploits |
| 16:45.19 | jelly | more likely one would just be unable to browse anything that does modern tls or js |
| 16:45.24 | n4dir | if i am only a few versions back with firefox quite a few websites don't even start. |
| 16:45.33 | petn-randall | jelly: I'm pretty sure they just keep the old exploits in the browser exploit kits. They might not be developing *new* ones for old browsers, though. |
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| 17:10.24 | oo_miguel | is it possible to start a shell with its stdout pointing to a file? |
| 17:10.31 | oo_miguel | instead of /dev/pts/* |
| 17:10.45 | greycat | bash >file |
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| 17:11.02 | oo_miguel | ehehe right thank you |
| 17:11.04 | greycat | or, within an interactive shell, exec >file |
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| 17:14.41 | rakor | I'm new to lvm. How can I find out how much space in my vg is free? |
| 17:14.48 | greycat | vgdisplay |
| 17:15.41 | rakor | OK, but where do I see the free space? it only says how big the vg is |
| 17:16.07 | greycat | it reports Total PE, Alloc PE, and Free PE |
| 17:16.11 | rakor | Ah... I'm a blind man... |
| 17:16.22 | rakor | Saw it atm... Sorry, thanks... |
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| 17:16.48 | rakor | So with a default installation of debain there is no space left for snapshots... :( |
| 17:17.08 | greycat | I never let the installer partition for me. |
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| 17:17.29 | rakor | As said, I'm new to lvm .. so I let it do the job ;) |
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| 17:19.16 | rakor | zfs does this jobs so.much easier... |
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| 17:20.44 | jelly | rakor: no, d-i uses 100% of remaining space for /home for some reason if you let it do the choices |
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| 17:21.48 | rakor | ca I shrink it? |
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| 17:22.47 | jelly | rakor: yes but it's not worth it; if you have a separate /home like that, boot to single user mode, backup the file structure, then nuke that LV and make a new smaller one |
| 17:22.52 | jelly | reformat and restore |
| 17:23.03 | jelly | fix fstab, and be on your merry way |
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| 17:29.59 | rakor | hmm.. thanks I fear I have one big / |
| 17:30.12 | rakor | It started as a testing system :/ |
| 17:32.49 | rakor | maybe best will be starting from.scratch |
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| 17:34.17 | jelly | then you have to shrink it from a livecd/liveusb, or reinstall |
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| 17:48.12 | zerocool | hi guys, is there a way to load an install iso with a post install script? |
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| 17:48.49 | allan_wind1 | Hi, I am getting wierd back scatter emails from bendel.debain.org. Who can I tell about this? |
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| 17:49.41 | jelly | allan_wind1: try #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:49.49 | allan_wind1 | thx |
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| 17:57.47 | jelly | allan_wind1: save at least the full headers, next time it happens |
| 17:59.04 | castleguard | I'm having an issue with DWM stealing keys (e.g. alt-f) from other applications (e.g. leafpad), my solution so far has been to remove alt-f and remap alt-d in dwm, but is there a way that I can specify that I'm talking to my wm or something else (as you can in tmux, for instance)? |
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| 18:04.21 | rakor | jelly: can I shrink an encrypted partition? Is there good docu for the lvm.withvencryption? |
| 18:04.32 | sn0wmonster | i have a tablet running Debian with a trackpad. the trackpad is hyper sensitive and buggy and i want to disable it. is there a way to disable it and not all mice in general? (I have a bluetooth mouse over USB wireless dongle) |
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| 18:05.09 | sn0wmonster | i've tried the BIOS and disabled the "touch sensor" option i saw but it didn't do squat so either it was for something else or its always-on. |
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| 18:05.50 | jelly | rakor: sure, did you apply encryption below LVM (luks device used as PV) or on top of LVM (LV used as luks device and then a filesystem)? |
| 18:06.17 | jelly | rakor: you need to shrink the layers from innermost to outer. |
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| 18:10.06 | jhutchins_wk | sn0wmonster: Does it have a hotkey to turn off the trackpad? |
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| 18:10.40 | jhutchins_wk | sn0wmonster: There's always the old trick of putting a piece of cardboard over it. |
| 18:11.32 | sn0wmonster | i was hoping for a solution that involved disabling it inside the OS |
| 18:11.41 | sn0wmonster | something i could run in a startup script even |
| 18:11.57 | dondelcaro | sn0wmonster: what kind of trackpad is it? |
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| 18:12.46 | dondelcaro | sn0wmonster: but that said, in general, you should be able to do xinput; and then something like xset --disable id=NN; |
| 18:13.04 | dondelcaro | err, xinput --disable id=NN; |
| 18:13.11 | dondelcaro | where NN is the appropriate ID from the xinput; output |
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| 18:17.18 | sn0wmonster | oh nice |
| 18:17.20 | sn0wmonster | will try |
| 18:17.34 | nodiscc | sn0wmonster: or blacklist the kernel module handling the trackpad |
| 18:17.37 | nodiscc | if you can find it |
| 18:18.34 | rakor | jelly: The way the installer does it ;) |
| 18:19.40 | zerocool | anyone familiar with qemu-img? |
| 18:20.05 | jelly | rakor: I think it's partition -> luks -> then LVM PV, so you don't have to resize the PV or the luks layer at all, but pastebin the output of "lsblk" to verify |
| 18:20.07 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:20.41 | zerocool | when i create a qcow2 its only 192kb, i attach the qcow2 to a vm as a second drive and it wont expand |
| 18:20.55 | rakor | jelly: https://pastebin.com/zTc9Q2G6 |
| 18:20.57 | zerocool | its suppose to be 300g |
| 18:21.16 | mert | zerocool it will expand when you fill data to drive |
| 18:21.44 | mert | sn0wmonster: you might want to try synclient if your touchpad is synaptic |
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| 18:22.05 | zerocool | mert: you know i think i must have put it in where thr ROM was, its probably set to read only lol |
| 18:22.06 | mert | sn0wmonster: `synclient` will list everything that supports adjusting |
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| 18:23.16 | mert | zerocool: when you create image it is just raw/blank image, first you need to mount it somewhere as disk (lets say vm) then inside vm you create partition-table such as efi/gpt or bios/mbr then you format partition |
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| 18:24.31 | jelly | rakor: you can see the layers there. So to get free space inside that x220-debian-vg VG, shrink the filesystem on /dev/x220-debian-vg/root, and then shrink that LV to the same size |
| 18:25.24 | rakor | OK, thanks :) (Can you tell me what sda2 does)? |
| 18:25.39 | sn0wmonster | mert, i was *just* trying that! |
| 18:25.40 | sn0wmonster | hehe |
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| 18:27.14 | mert | sn0wmonster: you can try `synclient | grep -i disable` |
| 18:27.17 | rakor | Ah sorry... anything ok... I worked with gpt for years :) I'm not used to MBR anymore |
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| 18:31.24 | sn0wmonster | This worked: sudo xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0 |
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| 18:39.15 | jelly | rakor: sda2 is a remainder of how old mbr partition table works: initially, the mbr format had just fixed 4 partition slots, so sda2 is just a container for sda5 and above, the mbr partition table calls that an "extended partition" and partitons inside it "logical partitions" |
| 18:40.38 | rakor | jelly: But why is the partition made as extended partition, and not just as primary sda2 ? |
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| 18:41.24 | jelly | mostly because this is the default way windows does it, so it's most compatible |
| 18:42.13 | jelly | you might have 3 primary partitions and then a 4th extended one for the rest, but windows only makes one primary |
| 18:43.34 | jelly | linux doesn't care; very, very old versions of windows cared but they're fine now as well |
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| 18:49.48 | rakor | thanks for your help! Very polite |
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| 18:51.28 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Can linux handle more than four primaries on one device? |
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| 19:06.20 | mrwigs | hello, I have been running into some mindnumbing issues. I have Debian installed on my Macbookpro 12,1. Recently it ran out of battery, went into hibernation and will not come out. When I reboot I am faced with these strange colored artifacts in corner of screen. |
| 19:06.22 | mrwigs | https://i.redditmedia.com/tqE-hWT6HYQrh7adpb1ToUpGNw1GW3lQ8IilHHq_EYA.jpg?w=576&s=94f322268e14326c5f3f173c34406261 |
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| 19:34.29 | mrwigs | Has anyone ever dealt w/ an issue like this? https://i.redditmedia.com/tqE-hWT6HYQrh7adpb1ToUpGNw1GW3lQ8IilHHq_EYA.jpg?w=576&s=94f322268e14326c5f3f173c34406261 |
| 19:35.05 | Vizva | its a good idea to give a short explanation to links |
| 19:35.32 | mrwigs | It is a photo of a boot screen w/ colored artifacts |
| 19:36.04 | mrwigs | I cannot seem to get past, booted in recoverymode added nomodeset, still hangs there |
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| 19:37.30 | Vizva | i think its a part only of useful information |
| 19:37.52 | Vizva | ok sorry |
| 19:38.56 | Vizva | looks like your graphic card did cause the crash or a hardware dealing with |
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| 19:40.01 | mrwigs | Hmm I am having trouble figuring out how to disable it. is there a grub command? |
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| 19:41.17 | Vizva | i think yes |
| 19:43.54 | Vizva | but what do you want to disable ? |
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| 19:45.41 | Brigo | Vizva, i think he is talking about the colored rectanble up left. |
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| 19:46.10 | Vizva | if you dont change anything you graphic card may be get a defect - can you start another OS ? |
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| 19:53.28 | Vizva | Brigo yes the first time i did not get it |
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| 19:57.39 | Vizva | but best is to make a picture where we see the last lines |
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| 20:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | mrwigs: What are you trying to disable? |
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| 20:07.46 | mrwigs | I am trying to disable the intel graphics card |
| 20:08.16 | mrwigs | yes I can boot another os, both osx and a linux live distro |
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| 20:09.04 | awal1 | how apt/apt-get handles obsolete pkgs? |
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| 20:09.23 | awal1 | looks like they doesn't know about them (?) |
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| 20:15.27 | mrwigs | here is a gist of the last 3 lines |
| 20:15.31 | mrwigs | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dc7ad984d3d1a1473c56e90c462998e9 |
| 20:15.45 | mrwigs | I also have logs, this happend after the computer ran out of power |
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| 20:18.19 | mrwigs | last message was... kernel: [38419.810507] PM: Hibernation mode set to 'suspend' |
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| 21:27.14 | rant | awal1: apt'd handling of packages depends on things like the auto-installed flag, and if there are things like metapackages or the packages in newer releases that conflict with the old obsolete packages they replace .. like how geeqie replaced gqview in debian |
| 21:28.19 | rant | auto-install is more for orphans though than obsolete. obsolete needs to be handeled by the maintainers to remove such things based on the packages that replace them |
| 21:29.05 | rant | if you were to find a package that provides the functionality of a package that is obsolete, I'd file a bug against the new package telling the maintainer to set their package up to remove the other |
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| 21:34.32 | awal1 | rant, I was referring to new pkgs being installed, unstable branch |
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| 21:45.00 | jhutchins_wk | rant: Then again, this is Linux, there are always multiple ways to do things and usually multiple packages that nominally do the same thing. |
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| 21:51.37 | Thyriaen | i just installed linux on my x1 carbon (2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer - it just gets stuck here : https://imgur.com/a/A9MH3 any ideas ? |
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| 21:53.57 | RoyK | Thyriaen: did you run "poweroff"? or was this via the gui? |
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| 21:55.16 | Thyriaen | RoyK, this was via the gui but i tried poweroff before and it yielded the same result |
| 21:55.30 | RoyK | hm - not good - file a bug |
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| 21:56.04 | RoyK | Thyriaen: or perhaps a new kernel from backports? |
| 21:56.17 | RoyK | Thyriaen: at least to see if it helps |
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| 21:56.49 | Thyriaen | RoyK already upgraded to newest kernel - i tried default kkernel 16.10, 17.10 and upgraded to newest kernel 14.3 same results |
| 21:57.11 | RoyK | which kernel are you on now? |
| 21:57.28 | RoyK | btw, 16.10, 17.10, sounds like ubuntu, not debian |
| 21:58.24 | flipper887 | RoyK: /join #ubuntu |
| 21:58.51 | RoyK | flipper887: not me, Thyriaen |
| 21:58.56 | Thyriaen | RoyK i tried debian stretch ( the current stable version 9 ), Ubuntu 17.10, 16.04 and either using the default kernel or upgraded to 14.3 |
| 21:59.30 | Thyriaen | i am currently on debian, the screenshot was from an ubuntu install though |
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| 21:59.42 | RoyK | Thyriaen: first, is this debian? next, if it is, which kernel are you running now? uname -r will show |
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| 22:01.53 | Thyriaen | RoyK, currently debian, yes Kernel 4.9 |
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| 22:02.26 | RoyK | dpkg: tell Thyriaen about backports |
| 22:02.42 | RoyK | Thyriaen: you can find newer kernels there |
| 22:02.44 | jelly | Thyriaen: too new hardware, kernel support not good enough? Maybe ask for clues in ##ibmthinkpad as well |
| 22:03.01 | Thyriaen | jelly, thanks i will do that |
| 22:03.21 | jelly | not sure what 14.3 means tho |
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| 22:03.43 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 22:03.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 22:03.46 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 22:04.09 | Thyriaen | RoyK, ok i will try debian stretch with newest kernel backports - thanks |
| 22:04.35 | RoyK | Thyriaen: please tell if it works, and if it does, file a bug, the fix can possibly be backported |
| 22:04.53 | jelly | perhaps you meant you've built a kernel from sources, version "stable: 4.14.3 2017-11-30 " |
| 22:05.17 | Thyriaen | jelly, thats what i ment yes |
| 22:05.33 | RoyK | just use the ones in the repos |
| 22:05.36 | RoyK | they work |
| 22:05.42 | RoyK | unless you have *very* specific needs |
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| 22:06.40 | RoyK | hasn't built a kernel for ages |
| 22:06.52 | greycat | I stopped doing that around Linux 2.6 |
| 22:07.21 | RoyK | I don't really remember, but it's a while ago, at least not after 2.6 |
| 22:09.00 | jelly | really fresh hardware counts as "need" |
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| 22:09.48 | jelly | my solution is to pick a chipset at least 1 year old if it has to run linux |
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| 22:10.11 | RoyK | jelly: I always try a fresh kernel first |
| 22:10.31 | jelly | but _someone_ has to build it |
| 22:10.41 | RoyK | jelly: had to compile a network driver when I setup my current home server, though, but then, that was pretty fresh hardware |
| 22:10.50 | Freelance | Really quick question: What causes my system to sync to network time? I removed NTP. |
| 22:11.05 | Paul-- | hello all |
| 22:11.06 | RoyK | chrony? |
| 22:11.10 | jelly | Freelance: but did you remove "ntp" ? |
| 22:11.11 | RoyK | Freelance: ^^ |
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| 22:11.45 | Freelance | "apt purge ntp" |
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| 22:11.58 | jelly | Freelance: it might be the hardware clock of your machine |
| 22:12.02 | greycat | maybe ntpdate is still installed, or maybe you enabled that systemd thing. |
| 22:12.18 | jelly | Freelance: which debian release |
| 22:12.24 | Freelance | ntpdate was installed; thanks |
| 22:12.30 | Paul-- | how may I make a list of installed packets for re-install the system without manuallt select the packets ? |
| 22:12.31 | Freelance | Removing it should stop the syncs, right? |
| 22:12.42 | greycat | Pretty good chance, I should think. |
| 22:12.50 | jelly | unless there's a third thing |
| 22:12.58 | Freelance | Thanks! I'll try it and see. |
| 22:13.09 | greycat | systemd-timesyncd is the other thing I was thinking of, but that's not a separate package |
| 22:13.38 | Paul-- | I mean make a list of installed packets , and after user it in system re-installation |
| 22:13.43 | jelly | we just make the systems sync to a ntpd with our own time at work |
| 22:13.55 | jelly | living in the future |
| 22:14.07 | greycat | Paul--: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
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| 22:14.34 | jelly | Paul--: also read: /msg dpkg aptitude clone and /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 22:15.45 | Freelance | Ah, no, it was the systemd thing |
| 22:15.53 | Freelance | Thanks. |
| 22:15.54 | RoyK | Freelance: why don't you want ntp? |
| 22:16.30 | greycat | My question is, if he didn't want NTP, why did he have THREE things set up to do NTP? |
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| 22:17.32 | RoyK | just wonders why someone would want their clock drifting |
| 22:17.34 | Freelance | Because I'm using a miniature computer (it's like a Rasp. Pi) as a DNS server that blocks all requests at certain times |
| 22:17.46 | Freelance | But actually I'm rethinking it |
| 22:17.48 | RoyK | try chrony |
| 22:17.55 | Freelance | I might use NTP after all |
| 22:17.57 | castleguard | Hey I'm looking at the python3-kivy package... is this something that exists (as a package) for people that are programming in python3, or is it more for dependencies if you want to run a python script that was written for python3 with kivy. Essentially I'm asking if installing this package will help me as a dev or if I need to still do the pip install kivy (and its dependency, cython) |
| 22:17.58 | RoyK | it's better for such stuff |
| 22:18.01 | RoyK | !chrony |
| 22:18.01 | dpkg | chrony is, like, a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: http://chrony.sunsite.dk/. Warning, you most likely will have to change your chrony.conf file after installing by adding some servers and removing the offline tag. |
| 22:18.06 | greycat | I've been sticking with the traditional 'ntp' package. |
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| 22:18.34 | RoyK | greycat: that works too, but on sloppy connections and much drift, especially with VMs, chrony is better |
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| 22:18.43 | jelly | greycat: safety. |
| 22:18.47 | alt0id | hi |
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| 22:19.20 | jelly | Ramans do everything in threes |
| 22:19.52 | Thyriaen | RoyK, i have now reinstalled debian - with running kernel 4.9 how do i install the newest kernel "given in the repositories" you said ? |
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| 22:20.21 | RoyK | dpkg: tell Thyriaen about backports |
| 22:20.47 | alt0id | so if i install new nvidia drivers over the old ones, do they get over writen or what? |
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| 22:22.13 | annadane | the old ones get automatically blacklisted |
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| 22:22.34 | Thyriaen | RoyK, can i install those with apt ? |
| 22:22.54 | annadane | in other words the nouveau packages don't get removed, but debian is told to use the nvidia ones by default |
| 22:23.07 | annadane | you can change that behavior by editing a config file, don't remember whichj |
| 22:23.12 | annadane | s/whichj/which |
| 22:23.16 | jelly | alt0id: it depends on how you install (nvidia's own installer can be problematic) |
| 22:23.29 | annadane | right, this is on the assumption you install using apt |
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| 22:23.48 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 22:23.48 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 22:24.19 | alt0id | jelly: yeah i heard, i tried installing some because i needed those settings tools that you get with the package, now my whole system is ducked. I can log in gui-mode no problemo, but after like 5-10 minutes it gets frozen and i cant do anything about it |
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| 22:25.44 | alt0id | jelly: any comments? |
| 22:26.06 | RoyK | Thyriaen: just add the backports repos as documented |
| 22:26.41 | jelly | alt0id: I don't remember well, but if you used nvidia's installer, I _think_ you first uninstalled the old driver version |
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| 22:27.27 | RoyK | Thyriaen: then apt update && apt install - see https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ - wasn't that in the line dpkg gave you? |
| 22:27.29 | Thyriaen | RoyK, yes, thanks did that and its installing 4.13 now ill get back to you once its done |
| 22:27.30 | RoyK | !backports |
| 22:27.30 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:27.55 | Thyriaen | RoyK, not it wasn't but i figured it out |
| 22:28.14 | awal1 | rant, ok, about obsoletes. my answer my have confused you. earlier, I asked about how to make apt-get/aptitude tell me why new pkgs are being to be installed, I wanna know if they are new dependencies or recommends |
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| 22:40.00 | alt0id | jelly: ok i've runned the script, i have a nvidia 210 running on this box. Which drivers do you think are suitable for this card? |
| 22:40.12 | alt0id | jelly: btw the enviroment didnt autorun :/ |
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| 22:45.38 | Canucktux | so what's the lowdown on the xorg.conf in debian stretch? |
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| 22:45.48 | alt0id | Canucktux: huh? |
| 22:45.54 | Canucktux | I don't see one, should I make one if I have finicky things? |
| 22:46.17 | Canucktux | alt0id: I have an eGPU I'd like to use that isn't showing up in xrandr |
| 22:46.55 | Paul-- | another question: if I rename the network interface in deb9 in the classic mode ( eth0 and wlan0 ) , may have I any problem ? |
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| 22:47.10 | Canucktux | and people long ago are just adding it and having it work https://askubuntu.com/questions/56427/external-gpu-system-in-linux#172251 |
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| 23:04.54 | mnuhmnuh_ | Paul--: min's called eth0; no prob. there's a grub commandline switch that you can use to toggle between each. |
| 23:05.39 | Unit193 | You can also add a symlink to disable them as well. |
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| 23:16.55 | OS-29690 | !luigi |
| 23:16.55 | dpkg | somebody said luigi was mean and grean |
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| 23:17.12 | OS-29690 | !carol |
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| 23:19.13 | alt0id | hey so how do i install the fresh-out-of-the-box mesa drivers? |
| 23:19.17 | alt0id | and set them up |
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| 23:23.30 | alt0id | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:23.30 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 23:31.00 | dTal | dpkg what about <contrib> and <non-free sources> |
| 23:31.01 | dpkg | dTal: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:31.45 | dTal | dpkg what about <contrib> and <non-free sources> |
| 23:31.46 | dpkg | i don't know, dTal |
| 23:31.58 | dTal | but you said to ask |
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| 23:38.21 | alt0id | dpkg: hey you seem to have a good grip on xorg.conf |
| 23:38.21 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 23:38.29 | alt0id | dpkg: hello |
| 23:38.29 | dpkg | hi, alt0id |
| 23:38.32 | alt0id | dpkg: test |
| 23:38.32 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 23:38.37 | alt0id | dpkg: bot? |
| 23:38.38 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 23:38.56 | alt0id | dpkg: how do i reconfigure xorg for nvidia |
| 23:38.56 | dpkg | alt0id: are you using Windows? |
| 23:38.59 | alt0id | dpkg: no |
| 23:38.59 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
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| 23:39.07 | alt0id | dpkg: how do i reconfigure xorg for nvidia on debian 8 |
| 23:39.07 | dpkg | alt0id: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:39.11 | annadane | alt0id, please stop spamming the bot |
| 23:39.26 | alt0id | annadane: do you maybe know how to set up xorg for a nvidia card? |
| 23:39.44 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 23:40.04 | alt0id | somiaj: that didnt work |
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| 23:41.46 | somiaj | there is a more detailed set of instructions on the wiki. |
| 23:41.53 | somiaj | !dosen't work |
| 23:41.59 | somiaj | !didn't work |
| 23:41.59 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 23:42.14 | somiaj | To get better support, you need to describe what actually happend, etc. |
| 23:42.30 | alt0id | somiaj: how do i upload that xord.conf.log thing? |
| 23:42.44 | alt0id | on commandline |
| 23:43.05 | LtL | alt0id: scp |
| 23:43.18 | somiaj | alt0id: you can goto paste.debian.net and use the web interface, or install something like pastebinit |
| 23:43.21 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 23:43.21 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 23:43.52 | somiaj | alt0id: also you are mixing two files, the config file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and all finles in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*conf), and the log file, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:44.03 | LtL | alt0id: nevermind, thought you were doing something else, apologies. |
| 23:44.27 | alt0id | somiaj: i cant start my GUI, im in commandline mode |
| 23:44.29 | alt0id | on irssi |
| 23:44.37 | awal1 | why cp ~/aaa ... won't work and cp /home/username/aaa ... yeah? |
| 23:44.39 | alt0id | thats my main issue right now lol |
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| 23:45.21 | phogg | awal1: it's not clear what you're asking |
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| 23:47.31 | awal1 | "can not perform 'stat' on x-file. no such file or directory" phogg |
| 23:48.01 | phogg | awal1: And what part of that do you need help with? |
| 23:48.42 | awal1 | I meant why cp force specifying /home/myusername/folder-x and don't understand ~/folder-x |
| 23:48.50 | mnuhmnuh_ | awal1: does where you're copying aaa to exist? no permissions probs? |
| 23:49.07 | awal1 | mnuhmnuh_, no |
| 23:49.19 | mnuhmnuh_ | well ... |
| 23:49.28 | phogg | awal1: you are probably not the user you think you are. Try: ls -ld ~ |
| 23:49.54 | mnuhmnuh_ | no what? |
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| 23:50.13 | awal1 | phogg, i am the right user |
| 23:50.38 | awal1 | mnuhmnuh_, no permission issue and not file existing yet |
| 23:51.03 | phogg | awal1: what exact command are you running? Don't give an approximation or an example. |
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| 23:51.17 | Thyriaen | when installing debian9 on my x1 carbon mashine it tells me that it needs additional drivers in order to make wlan work - iwlwifi-8265-20 to 28 but the firmware package on the website only provides 21, 22 and 27 which is not enough for the installer ( if i insert it it just keeps asking for more :p ) |
| 23:51.22 | Thyriaen | what can i do / where do i get the rest ? |
| 23:52.38 | somiaj | alt0id: then use pastebinit |
| 23:53.01 | somiaj | awal1: be clearer, what is the exact command that doesn't work, and what is the error. |
| 23:53.10 | Thyriaen | and how can i install them afterwards ( when debian is already installed ? ) |
| 23:53.22 | somiaj | awal1: you need to includes recruves, -r, with a directory |
| 23:53.23 | alt0id | somiaj: isnt there a nc -vn 9999 somewebsite.com solution for us cmd peasants? |
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| 23:53.45 | alt0id | cat test.txt || nc -vn 999 somewebsite.com |
| 23:53.45 | somiaj | alt0id: usnure, I'd just use pastebinit and make the post over HTTP instead of telnet |
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| 23:54.21 | alt0id | somiaj: I cant open my browser because my xorg.conf is screwed up! |
| 23:54.38 | alt0id | somiaj: im in ctrl+alt+f1 mode |
| 23:54.43 | alt0id | on my ssh box |
| 23:54.49 | phogg | alt0id: you can | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 23:54.56 | alt0id | thankyou |
| 23:55.05 | somiaj | alt0id: so use pastebinit, cat foo | pastebinit |
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| 23:55.18 | somiaj | not sure how many times I need to repeate that. |
| 23:55.25 | somiaj | or pastebinit Xorg.0.log |
| 23:55.34 | mnuhmnuh_ | pastebinit $filename |
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| 23:56.10 | awal1 | phogg, somiaj, I am just trying to install 'adapta gtk' theme from git in my sid vm. As root "cp -r /home/debian/Descargas/adapta-gtk-theme-master /usr/share/themes" works but "cp -r ~/Descargas/adapta-gtk-theme-master /usr/share/themes" and I get that error "can't perform 'stat' on ~/Descargas/adapta-gtk-theme-master" just not clear for me why /home/username vs ~/ |
| 23:56.36 | alt0id | somiaj: termbin.com/5uhm |
| 23:56.52 | awal1 | ~/ wont work ^ |
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| 23:57.32 | phogg | awal1: It should work if your HOME path is set correctly |
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| 23:57.44 | phogg | awal1: is your shell something unusual or are you using bash? |
| 23:58.04 | awal1 | phogg, bash yeah, and correct path |
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| 23:59.01 | d3c0 | !hi |
| 23:59.01 | dpkg | hello, d3c0 |
| 23:59.03 | awal1 | As root "cp -r /home/debian/Descargas/adapta-gtk-theme-master /usr/share/themes" works , but "cp -r ~/Descargas/adapta-gtk-theme-master /usr/share/themes"doesn't work |
| 23:59.10 | awal1 | clearer sentence :P |
| 23:59.18 | d3c0 | how update the lastest version Nginx |
| 23:59.19 | d3c0 | ? |
| 23:59.27 | alt0id | anything |
| 23:59.34 | somiaj | awal1: maybe something with your shell, what does 'echo ~' give |
