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| 00:08.04 | zu22 | ok |
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| 00:09.25 | zu22 | how do i add nonfree for wheezy to sources.list? |
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| 00:09.44 | zu22 | i have: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy maindeb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main |
| 00:10.00 | zu22 | oops pasted twice! |
| 00:10.09 | Unit193 | Append 'non-free' right after 'main' (you don't want contrib?) |
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| 00:12.09 | zu22 | Unit193: ok i will add contrib too thanks |
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| 00:26.47 | t0no6a | ups |
| 00:27.55 | ryouma | gnome chooses extensions? |
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| 00:56.11 | jak2000 | hi all i am on rescue mode, closed by error the port 22 (Access with putty my server), but ufw not exist the command: "zsh: command not found: ufw" any adivce how to fix? thanks |
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| 01:00.32 | Meerkat | my raid1 array suddenly started doing a check. Atleast it seems so by the output of /proc/mdstat. I only noticed because my PC suddenly became near unusable. Is it normal for unannounced, non-requested checks to occur? I've run this array for over a year and haven't had anything like this happen previously. Atleast not while using the machine. |
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| 01:02.31 | Meerkat | "# cron.d/mdadm -- schedules periodic redundancy checks of MD devices" |
| 01:03.18 | Meerkat | I just found that. Strange, but I guess I haven't used my PC at 1 am on a sunday within the first week of every month before. :) |
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| 01:06.22 | pandy2 | greetings! |
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| 01:09.04 | sparrow1 | evening all |
| 01:09.25 | pandy2 | please help: what is command for system upgrade? |
| 01:09.38 | sparrow1 | pandy2: you can run sudo apt update |
| 01:09.40 | sparrow1 | sudo apt upgrade |
| 01:09.42 | sparrow1 | sudo apt dist-upgrade |
| 01:09.46 | sparrow1 | run those commands |
| 01:10.06 | sparrow1 | but before running dist-upgrade, take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list and have a look to ensure you want to upgrade from all the links you have listed there |
| 01:10.09 | pandy2 | sparrow1, thanks |
| 01:10.26 | sparrow1 | but generally speaking if you havnet messed with sources.list you shouldnt have to worry |
| 01:10.28 | t0no6a | pandy2 : sudo rm -rf / .... °_° |
| 01:10.42 | t0no6a | I'm joking of course :-) |
| 01:11.06 | awal1 | Is it possible to have two instance of dpkg working? |
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| 01:11.22 | t0no6a | awal1 No |
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| 01:11.35 | sparrow1 | unfortunately not eh |
| 01:11.42 | sparrow1 | does anyone use youtube-dl? =) |
| 01:11.48 | pandy2 | <t0no6a> will that help to do fresh netinstall? |
| 01:12.12 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i'm afraid i did |
| 01:13.01 | sparrow1 | pandy2: i've made some scripts so all i need to do is copy all the youtube links i want to download, put them in a text file and then i can run the scripts and everything is done automatically =) |
| 01:13.05 | sparrow1 | pretty neat |
| 01:13.13 | sparrow1 | bit proud of myself hehe |
| 01:13.14 | awal1 | t0no6a, sounds logical, anyway. the pkg manager can't install and, say, remove at same time, bcoz of inter-dependency |
| 01:13.31 | awal1 | it was just a dumb curiosity/doubt :P |
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| 01:14.23 | awal1 | but it is a bit "sad" since I have always to wait x process to finish, sitting, to start another one, |
| 01:14.39 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i'm a n00b, i never run any scripts yet |
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| 01:16.41 | sparrow1 | pandy2: i understand = |
| 01:16.43 | sparrow1 | =) |
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| 01:16.48 | sparrow1 | keep at it, its well worth it! |
| 01:16.59 | sparrow1 | awal1: why do you need so much dpkg? :P |
| 01:18.05 | awal1 | sparrow1, well, I do/try a lot of stuff in my vm's |
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| 01:19.29 | sparrow1 | awal1: you use kvm? |
| 01:19.32 | pandy2 | i screw my debian install by attempting to upgrade from jessie having sources list of stretch |
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| 01:20.06 | awal1 | sparrow1, I should yeah. I used it in the past, but right now I am with vbox |
| 01:20.11 | sparrow1 | pandy2: yeah, you should've taken a look at /etc/apt/sources.list before upgrading! |
| 01:20.26 | awal1 | sid machine; and I find vbox more "stable" |
| 01:20.30 | sparrow1 | pandy2: had you messed with that file before? |
| 01:20.44 | sparrow1 | awal1: vbox is cool, unfortunately not in the debian reps |
| 01:20.57 | sparrow1 | awal1: but they use some odd BIOS code, so i migrated over to KVM |
| 01:20.58 | awal1 | sparrow1, right |
| 01:21.30 | awal1 | lastely vbox is buggy; I am thinking in switch to kvm again |
| 01:21.35 | sparrow1 | i used to always install the non-free iwlwifi, but instead i use ethernet now because i want a fully free system =) |
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| 01:21.46 | sparrow1 | awal1: yeah, kvm is pretty cool. more for the advanced user, but still |
| 01:22.54 | awal1 | sparrow1, with qemu-kvm I miss the full screen mode , like vbox does via guest-additions |
| 01:23.37 | sparrow1 | awal1: isnt there some dependency/addition you can add to kvm for that? |
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| 01:26.31 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i messed as i misunderstood a good advice |
| 01:27.04 | awal1 | sparrow1, no, as I know |
| 01:27.27 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i'm in shell console and fixing broken install |
| 01:27.35 | awal1 | by full screen mode I mean full screen for guest window and guest OS itself, sparrow1 |
| 01:27.54 | awal1 | kvm lets you fullscreen guest window but not guest itself |
| 01:28.15 | awal1 | well, I guess you get what I am talking about |
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| 01:29.17 | sparrow1 | pandy2: do you have any important information, files, you'd like to save? |
| 01:29.24 | sparrow1 | pandy2: if not, i suggest you re-install your system. |
| 01:29.40 | sparrow1 | awal1: aah, yes i understand. |
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| 01:29.54 | sparrow1 | awal1: that's a bit unfortunate, but i never liked the idea of fullscreening tbh. i still like to know im in a VM =) |
| 01:29.59 | ryouma | full screen mode is totally essential for me |
| 01:30.09 | ryouma | otherwise fonts too small |
| 01:30.18 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i kept all my data on usb and i need some cli experience ;-) |
| 01:30.23 | sparrow1 | pretty sure you can fix the fonts on the guest OS settings? =O |
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| 01:30.35 | sparrow1 | pandy2: im not sure you can reverse it though, that's the thing. |
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| 01:30.41 | ryouma | no, you need the whole thing to take up the whole screen |
| 01:30.48 | sparrow1 | pandy2: unless you re-install ofc. |
| 01:30.49 | ryouma | you can't just fix fonts everywhere |
| 01:31.28 | pandy2 | sparrow1, if need i will do fresh install |
| 01:31.42 | sparrow1 | pandy2: yeah ok! give it a shot, get used to the command line ;) |
| 01:31.49 | sparrow1 | pandy2: first time using linux? =) |
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| 01:32.15 | pandy2 | sparrow1, that's what i do. wish me luck.thanks |
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| 01:32.57 | pandy2 | sparrow1, btw, i'm in mint18.3 now |
| 01:33.18 | sparrow1 | oh, i thought you were running debian. yeah, mint is better for beginners |
| 01:33.30 | sparrow1 | its a debian derivative so i suppose it lands under #debian =) |
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| 01:35.54 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i have upgraded this mint from 18.2 so i decided to do same on the other machine |
| 01:36.30 | pandy2 | sparrow1, with debian jessie |
| 01:37.17 | pandy2 | sparrow1, can you learn at 75 ? i'm trying ;-) |
| 01:37.27 | ryouma | !based-on |
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| 01:37.32 | ryouma | !based on |
| 01:37.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:38.56 | sparrow1 | pandy2: never too late =) |
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| 01:39.45 | pandy2 | linux is harder then playing chess ;-) |
| 01:40.26 | pandy2 | too many choices, that is truly freedom ! |
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| 01:44.47 | peterrooney | ? how do i get audacity to obey the contents of ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini |
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| 01:47.18 | awal1 | ryouma, on my vm's I usually use "fonts-roboto". even choosing the smallest size they still readable (bold or condensed ones) |
| 01:48.12 | awal1 | and they are welly polished |
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| 01:49.34 | ryouma | awal1: accessibility is a real thing that people need; sometimes you need the guest os to be large on the physical screen |
| 01:50.51 | awal1 | ryouma, I agree. + to what you said, I don't like being confused with host tools and guest ones (apps, panels, title bars...) |
| 01:51.36 | ryouma | sure, nobody does, unless you need full screen |
| 01:52.11 | pandy2 | sparrow1, i have many unstable packages, urgency+medium, would you know how to correct/replace it ? |
| 01:52.15 | awal1 | well, I still don't really know why kvm misses that feature of putting guest in full screen |
| 01:52.47 | awal1 | if kvm implements that, for sure I'll stop using vbox |
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| 01:53.42 | awal1 | vbox is the only pkg not from 'main' I run. |
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| 01:54.58 | ryouma | me too |
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| 02:20.02 | sparrow1 | anyone still around? |
| 02:20.15 | sparrow1 | pandy2: you still around? |
| 02:20.56 | Unit193 | Is there a specific question you have? |
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| 02:22.52 | sparrow1 | noo i just want to talk |
| 02:23.44 | bazhang | #debian-offtopic is great for that sparrow1 |
| 02:24.12 | sparrow1 | bazhang: thanks! |
| 02:24.18 | bazhang | np |
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| 02:28.05 | sirgazil | Anyone using Debian 9 with Mate around? |
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| 02:28.40 | sparrow1 | cinnamon here =) |
| 02:28.52 | sirgazil | If you could take a look at this accessibility bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883215 |
| 02:28.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/883215 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (open): «[Accessibility] LightDM GTK+ Greeter hangs after enabling Orca»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-11-30; last modified: 2017-11-30. |
| 02:28.58 | sirgazil | I'd really appreciate it :) |
| 02:29.33 | sirgazil | I mean, I'd like to know if anyone else can reproduce it. |
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| 02:30.17 | sparrow1 | sirgazil: have you tried some other DE like XFCE? |
| 02:30.56 | sirgazil | sparrow1: No, the idea is to improve Mate. |
| 02:32.09 | sirgazil | sparrow1: but I guess if Mate really turns out to be problematic for blind people, we will have to try other desktops. |
| 02:32.58 | sparrow1 | sirgazil: im sorry, but im not knowledgable enough to give you a proper answer! perhaps someone else will come along and read your bug report. =) |
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| 02:35.15 | sirgazil | sparrow1: no problem :) |
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| 02:55.40 | znf | Hello. I'm trying to configure debian stretch with openvswitch and lacp on 2 physical ports ( + a vlan ) to start on boot, but I'm failing horribly and I've run out of ideas to try |
| 02:56.02 | znf | This is my configuration right now: https://i.imgur.com/5j6uMwi.png (I'm connected via the remote kvm so I can't copy / paste) |
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| 03:01.03 | K`zan | Anyone know how I can roll firefox 57 back to what I had before? 57 is a mess and broke about everything I had. |
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| 03:06.16 | sparrow1 | K`zan: have you tried just removing the stuff you most likely added here: https://www.openlark.com/installing-mozilla-firefox-57-quantum-on-debian-9-2-stretch/ |
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| 03:07.29 | K`zan | sparrow1: BIG problem is that they released it without making sure extensions would work with it, broke damn near everything I am using and the rest is "odd" now. |
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| 03:11.00 | sparrow1 | K`zan: arent there new extensions for 57? |
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| 03:14.33 | K`zan | sparrow1: Damn few of those that I use and the ones that were are obnoxiously different now. |
| 03:14.49 | K`zan | Just unbelieveable... SIgh... |
| 03:15.10 | znf | K`zan: extensions have had about a year to adjust to the changes |
| 03:15.18 | znf | they knew this was coming |
| 03:15.26 | znf | also, extensions can't modify the UI anymore |
| 03:15.30 | znf | again - they knew for a year+ |
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| 03:16.07 | K`zan | would have been bloody nice of mozilla to warn you about this kind of issue rather than just dumping "newer therefor better", yes, I am FAR less than either happy or pleased. |
| 03:16.28 | K`zan | And 57 has problems itself... |
| 03:17.08 | znf | you mean the release notes themselves saying: |
| 03:17.09 | znf | Firefox now exclusively supports extensions built using the WebExtension API, and unsupported legacy extensions will no longer work. Learn more about our efforts to improve the performance and security of extensions |
| 03:17.11 | K`zan | Sometimes you have to kill a tab you are trying to open a link in 3 -4 times to get it to come up and display the whole page. |
| 03:17.28 | znf | I don't even use Firefox and I knew :P |
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| 03:17.36 | znf | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing |
| 03:17.58 | K`zan | znf: With changes that radical, it should have been called out before just installing the new version... |
| 03:18.11 | K`zan | Linux sounding more like m$ as time goes on, sigh.... |
| 03:18.26 | znf | not sure how linux fits in your rant |
| 03:18.59 | K`zan | znf: :-), I'm sure :-). |
| 03:19.12 | znf | it's the same on windows *shrug* |
| 03:19.33 | K`zan | Sigh, true. |
| 03:19.48 | K`zan | Take what we throw at you, problems are yours.... |
| 03:19.59 | znf | they've communicated plenty |
| 03:20.13 | K`zan | Not that I have seen :-(. |
| 03:20.20 | znf | the extension devs should have warned you that it will stop working |
| 03:20.44 | K`zan | Mozilla stuff is simply not trustworth anymore IMO. |
| 03:21.19 | znf | again: I knew this for over a year, and I'm not even active in the firefox circles as I've used Chrome since release... they should have knew and warned the users. |
| 03:21.23 | Unit193 | You mean like the huge "LEGACY" warning they had on addons...? |
| 03:21.44 | znf | also, you had to take extra steps on debian to get the new firefox :P |
| 03:21.48 | K`zan | Not on any in my listing :-( |
| 03:22.08 | K`zan | Not here I didn't: apt get install, sucked in with that. |
| 03:22.18 | znf | yeah, no |
| 03:22.32 | K`zan | apt-update just listed firefox. |
| 03:22.34 | znf | linux distributions (especially debian) never change major version of browser(s) |
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| 03:22.53 | K`zan | Sigh, I'll give chrome a go and see what happens. |
| 03:23.13 | K`zan | Thanks for the shoulder and towels :). |
| 03:23.14 | znf | I had to install a PPA on Ubuntu to test FF57 out |
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| 03:23.35 | K`zan | Uh, any links on how to do that and for where? |
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| 03:24.00 | K`zan | Uh, never mind, failed to read the fine post there :). |
| 03:26.13 | DerLGm | znf: ff57? |
| 03:27.09 | Unit193 | znf: 1. Debian rolls with firefox-esr, you can only get firefox from unstable's repos. 2. No, Ubuntu uses the latest release of firefox, so that's actually in the stable and LTS releases. |
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| 03:29.09 | znf | Unit193: uhm, you sure? I had to install https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing in Ubuntu |
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| 03:31.03 | Unit193 | znf: `rmadison -u ubuntu firefox`, yes I'm sure. |
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| 04:05.33 | foul_owl | How do I tell pv to not use cache when writing to /dev/sdb ? |
| 04:05.41 | foul_owl | You can with dd but not with pv |
| 04:05.49 | foul_owl | And of course, pv has a progress bar but dd doesnt :( |
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| 04:10.00 | Hooloovo0 | you can always use killall -USR1 dd for that |
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| 04:34.15 | foul_owl | Ahhhh gotcha |
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| 04:49.49 | guest484 | hi where can i find root system images? |
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| 04:52.19 | foul_owl | Thanks! |
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| 05:10.25 | pandy2 | Question: debian stretch replaced gdm with what's the name of package ? thank you |
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| 05:11.56 | t0no6a | pandy2 ? |
| 05:12.14 | pandy2 | yes, its me |
| 05:12.38 | znf | lightdm? |
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| 05:13.07 | t0no6a | pandy2 No. What do you mean whit that questiojn |
| 05:14.26 | t0no6a | on GNOME it'sgdm (always be) On plasma it's ssdm (Ithink) on xfce and lxde it'slightdm |
| 05:15.03 | pandy2 | problem: startx gives me 'unable to X server,Connection refused' how do i fix that? thank you |
| 05:15.04 | t0no6a | I HATE MY KEYBOARD.REALLY REALLY HATE |
| 05:15.15 | znf | someone seriously fucked up the openvswitch packages on debian |
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| 05:19.13 | Rusty1_ | znf: if you need help , describe the problem , to complain type: /join #linuxmint-complaints |
| 05:19.28 | znf | why linuxmint? |
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| 05:20.08 | Rusty1_ | soz /join #debian-complaints |
| 05:20.51 | znf | tought it was a running joke or something |
| 05:21.05 | Rusty1_ | it is |
| 05:21.05 | Hooloovo0 | I mean linux mint is a running joke |
| 05:21.24 | znf | god, I hate systemd so much |
| 05:21.34 | znf | why couldn't distros just stick with upstart, it was good... |
| 05:21.34 | pandy2 | t0no6a, my Xserver does not start |
| 05:22.24 | Hooloovo0 | openrc! |
| 05:22.42 | Hooloovo0 | anyway, pandy2 why doesn't it start? |
| 05:22.45 | znf | *anything* would have been better :-/ |
| 05:22.57 | Hooloovo0 | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:23.12 | znf | heck, instead of this annoyance, I prefered the old init |
| 05:24.25 | Hooloovo0 | yeah, I hate hacking complex systems |
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| 05:25.26 | znf | Rusty1_: basically, something simple as just configuring an openvswitch bridge in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work |
| 05:25.35 | pandy2 | Hooloovo0, connection refused |
| 05:25.38 | znf | nothing fancy, not even ports connected, no bonding, no nothing |
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| 05:29.00 | Rusty1_ | there is #openswitch FWIW |
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| 05:29.59 | znf | yeah, and there's nobody there at the moment |
| 05:30.02 | znf | or has been for the last 8 hours |
| 05:30.40 | znf | funny thing - I copied a running configuration from debian8, put it in debian9, changed ip and ports, rebooted, interfaces didn't start |
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| 07:21.50 | shtrb | jaime_miro , it would be better not to install debian live directly , but if your goal is to put your iso on the hard disk and let grub load it, it would work |
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| 07:23.45 | awal1 | i don't remember if my debian / was in sda 5 or 6 |
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| 07:24.29 | awal1 | any log about partition location? |
| 07:25.17 | n4dir | for example in the fstab file |
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| 07:27.18 | shtrb | awal1 , call mount and it will have the output |
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| 07:37.11 | awal1 | I'll be more clear: I have one old machine at home dual boot windows 10 (rarely I use it bcoz of school) and debian sid. I also had on that machine other gnu-linux OS's I don't remember. recently I upgraded windows 10 and I think it (windows 10) moved my debian / from dev sda 5 to 6 and grub from 6 to 7 and it took it (win 10) took dev sda 5 (200 gb, I formatted as fat 32) and transformed it as disk D. |
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| 07:38.55 | awal1 | is fstab I see "/ was on /dev/sda7 during installation UUID=03bd49a2-cd3b-4896-b9a3-4b6b1fb8dfff / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 ---- # swap was on /dev/sda6 during installation UUID=4ced513b-ea88-476d-b59e-c17fcd77ddaa none swap sw 0 0" |
| 07:39.30 | awal1 | that confirms my doubt about win10 having moved partitions? |
| 07:40.00 | awal1 | I don't understand what it did exactly: moved, renamed or what? |
| 07:41.13 | shtrb | awal1 , call os-probe from linux to be sure or execute mount to see from where it is loaded |
| 07:41.14 | awal1 | now / is in dev sda 6 |
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| 07:41.48 | n4dir | If fstab says / on /dev/sda7, then during installation was on /dev/sda7 |
| 07:42.12 | n4dir | the rest is beyond me. |
| 07:42.36 | awal1 | shtrb, yes mount shows /dev/sda6 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
| 07:42.51 | awal1 | that what i said / is now on sda 6 |
| 07:43.02 | awal1 | correct eh? |
| 07:43.12 | shtrb | in such case yes |
| 07:43.16 | awal1 | n4dir, that is what i understood |
| 07:43.38 | awal1 | what win10 did exactly? |
| 07:43.40 | n4dir | awal1: yeah, sorry, i pointed out something way too obviuos. |
| 07:43.57 | awal1 | renaming , moving or what? |
| 07:44.30 | n4dir | I often reinstalled other OS'es, created new partitions and what not. But never /dev/sd* changed. But i never did it with Windows |
| 07:44.49 | awal1 | weird yeah |
| 07:44.51 | shtrb | it may have removed two parttions and created one instead |
| 07:45.07 | n4dir | that is: i for one doubt Windows is able to do such changes, but i really don't know |
| 07:45.26 | shtrb | the user is asked about it during installation |
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| 07:46.12 | awal1 | it was a major win10 upgrade |
| 07:46.15 | shtrb | or someone did a reordering from fdisk replacment |
| 07:46.23 | awal1 | it haven't asked |
| 07:46.41 | shtrb | maybe there is a call to reordering with the new fdisk tool .. |
| 07:46.46 | awal1 | well i have really no clue about how windows works |
| 07:46.48 | yang-X | I am trying to setup bluetooth, by using "blueman" on stretch...And I seem to fail pairing the device (audio speaker) on Debian stretch... |
| 07:46.56 | n4dir | awal1: i got it right: you don't have a problem to solve (for example to boot debian), but want to know what happened? |
| 07:47.08 | awal1 | n4dir, exact |
| 07:47.35 | awal1 | I got grub broken after that upgrade but i solved it with set root and so |
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| 07:47.55 | n4dir | i sure would want to know too, if something like that happened. I would ask again (when someone with more foo is around). |
| 07:47.55 | shtrb | awal1 , that sound like reordering |
| 07:48.21 | awal1 | what i don't understand if what win10 did and if harmful shtrb |
| 07:48.46 | shtrb | not harmfull (if the number of parttion is the same ) , annoying |
| 07:49.11 | shtrb | it was standard to force the user before reordering parttion numbers , maybe something had changed |
| 07:49.23 | shtrb | I didn't upgrade win10 for a while so I might get a surprise soon :) |
| 07:49.30 | awal1 | bcoz I am sure debian was in sda 5, grub in sda 6 and 7 formated as fat 32 and not used. win10 was in sda 1 (single partition) |
| 07:50.08 | shtrb | awal1 , is the number (amount ) of parttions is the same as before ? |
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| 07:51.08 | awal1 | now in win10 I see disk D (it wasn't there, previously there is only C, and the size of the new D is the same as the sda 7) |
| 07:51.25 | shtrb | ouch ... |
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| 07:52.57 | awal1 | sda 7 as <i said it was another gnu-linux OS I formated as fat 32, planing to use it for movies and such stuff. being fat 32 win10 took it as disk D |
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| 08:02.08 | awal1 | shtrb, sorry sda 5 was the one I formatted as fat 32 and win10 took it after upgrade as disk D. amount of partitions is same yeah. win10 upgrade just moved my debian / from sda 7 to 6 (as fstab and mount confirms) and moved swap from sda 6 to 7 (as fstab and /proc/swaps shows) |
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| 08:02.58 | awal1 | so what I just want to know is win10 did and if that is harmful, if it affects something |
| 08:03.00 | shtrb | in such case that sound just reoredering |
| 08:03.09 | awal1 | hm |
| 08:03.11 | shtrb | not harmfull , annoying |
| 08:03.21 | shtrb | reordering is a call in fdisk and others |
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| 08:03.42 | awal1 | call in fdisk and others? |
| 08:04.07 | shtrb | yep , but there is no fdisk anymore in win10 |
| 08:04.10 | shtrb | something new |
| 08:04.40 | awal1 | i don't understand exactly what you mean call fdisk |
| 08:04.56 | shtrb | fdisk /dev/sda , x f i w q |
| 08:05.01 | shtrb | do not run that ! |
| 08:05.29 | awal1 | i thought you was referring to win10 calling debian fdisk |
| 08:05.55 | shtrb | no , it has it's own fdisk replacement |
| 08:06.07 | shtrb | on debian that would be what you do to reorder |
| 08:06.31 | shtrb | *not harmfull is you had been using uuid and not parttion number in your system |
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| 08:10.39 | awal1 | shtrb, how can i be sure my debian was using uuid and not partition numbers? |
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| 08:10.52 | awal1 | well, i thought only uuid can be used |
| 08:11.04 | shtrb | awal1 , you have uuid in fstab , crypttab and scripts |
| 08:11.23 | awal1 | i see them in fstab yeah |
| 08:11.47 | shtrb | I think cryptab is the only other place you could have used that (if you mounted like that) |
| 08:12.39 | awal1 | I forgot a bit about all that since systemd |
| 08:13.01 | awal1 | where is cryptab file? mlocate don't find it |
| 08:13.08 | n4dir | init it great you can now forget about everything you assumed you would know about? |
| 08:13.26 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.04 | shtrb | awal1 , you mean the application that broke everything and still after so long is spewing errors |
| 08:15.18 | awal1 | n4dir, what you mean? |
| 08:15.27 | awal1 | shtrb, yeah :D |
| 08:15.28 | shtrb | compare systemd to bowel inflammation |
| 08:15.46 | awal1 | and no cyptab on /etc |
| 08:15.47 | n4dir | sorry, awal1, when it comes to systemd i loose all reason. |
| 08:16.02 | n4dir | aka: pointless chat. |
| 08:16.04 | shtrb | awal1 , in such case you never used it so you should be safe |
| 08:16.17 | yang-X | When clicking "setup new device" on bluetooth - blueman, I get "no adapters found" error |
| 08:16.36 | shtrb | yanf-X , check if your device is "on" and "discoverable" |
| 08:17.27 | awal1 | shtrb, i don't really care about that machine just trying to understand what f*** win10 did. if uuid where changed or something win10 can do about they will be trace in fstab? |
| 08:18.02 | yang-X | http://paste.debian.net/plainh/48457b7c |
| 08:18.03 | shtrb | uuid will not be changed unless the FS changes (win10 shouldn't touch that) |
| 08:18.28 | shtrb | awal1, you should be safe now - if my guess is correct it only did reordering and that is it |
| 08:19.00 | awal1 | i guess if win10 "touched" uuid's (/ and swap uuid's) debian will not boot |
| 08:19.18 | awal1 | shtrb, FS? |
| 08:19.30 | shtrb | FS file system - |
| 08:20.01 | awal1 | change how / by who? |
| 08:20.09 | awal1 | learning today :P |
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| 08:21.51 | shtrb | awal1 , if win10 would have managed to change the uuid it means and changed the file system on the parttion (that currently is virtually impossible because it can't handle ext and others ). the only thing it seem to change on your system is the parttion numbers and that is it (maybe also played with some other stuff such superblock backup) |
| 08:23.04 | shtrb | yang-X , when I talked about "enabled" I meant via the mangment app (bluemon app or something like that) |
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| 08:23.44 | yang-X | shtrb: that is the problem, no device gets listed in discovery mode, I think that my bluetooth daemon doesnt work right yet on PC |
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| 08:24.37 | linuxthefish | hey, i'm using debian 9 with cinnamon on my laptop, but every time I unplug the power cable and plug it in again the screen dims and stays dim! si there any way to disable this? |
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| 08:30.35 | awal1 | shtrb, ok , got it. not sure but i thing it created a new partition |
| 08:31.29 | awal1 | blkid /dev/sda1: LABEL="Windows de mierda" UUID="05C434231A175AFD" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="0001c53b-01" |
| 08:31.53 | awal1 | blkid /dev/sda2 /dev/sda2: UUID="30304284304250D0" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="0001c53b-02" |
| 08:32.04 | awal1 | i think it reated sda 2 |
| 08:32.19 | shtrb | lol |
| 08:32.27 | awal1 | originally windows was only on sda1 |
| 08:32.44 | awal1 | why lol? bcoz of the label? |
| 08:32.46 | awal1 | :D |
| 08:32.48 | shtrb | yes |
| 08:32.51 | awal1 | heheeh |
| 08:33.38 | shtrb | goes to clean his table because he spilled some tea while laughing |
| 08:33.52 | awal1 | originally it was a windows 7 install I hacked with winload and upgraded to win10 (microsoft thinks it is genuine :D) |
| 08:34.21 | shtrb | that's a big mistake (to install win10) |
| 08:34.21 | bazhang | awal1, it's not? |
| 08:34.44 | awal1 | bazhang, it wasn't :P |
| 08:34.52 | awal1 | winload did a good job |
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| 08:35.11 | shtrb | awal1 , just go back to win7 while you can , 10 is worse than systemd |
| 08:35.19 | awal1 | all that when I was student, years ago, before I start using gnu linux |
| 08:36.05 | awal1 | shtrb, go back no. when i have time i'll format the machine and no more trace of windows at in my home :P |
| 08:37.11 | shtrb | That a different story , having to have windows I found that 7 was much more stable and usefull (and cheaper to handle than 10 ) |
| 08:37.44 | awal1 | true |
| 08:38.01 | shtrb | Because I need to pay for power and my network is capped, it come to the a situation when I plug my windows out of the network when I don't have to have network access |
| 08:38.38 | OtakuSenpai | i think i want windows 10 |
| 08:38.41 | shtrb | 400 mb of talk everyday without me doing almost anything network related, compared to a dozen or so in 7 |
| 08:38.44 | OtakuSenpai | to play some games |
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| 08:40.22 | jelly | linuxthefish: and you cannot fix it bank using brightness controls on the keyboard? |
| 08:40.28 | jelly | back* |
| 08:40.45 | linuxthefish | yeah i can jelly |
| 08:40.51 | linuxthefish | but i want to disable the automatic dimming :/ |
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| 08:42.09 | awal1 | shtrb,at the end win10 did 3 ilegal things: reordered my partitions (/ in sda 7, now in sda 6; swap in sda 6 now in sda 7), created a new one (sda 2) and robed one (sda 5, fat32 -200 gb- and uses it as disk D, now). All that without my permission!!! |
| 08:42.29 | jelly | linuxthefish: that sounds like a firmware issue more than something linux does |
| 08:42.30 | awal1 | I am more angry now with microsoft and it's products |
| 08:42.45 | shtrb | awal1, wait for your power and network bill :) |
| 08:43.07 | awal1 | shtrb, included in rent :P |
| 08:43.38 | linuxthefish | any idea why "sudo echo 4422465 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" gives permission denied?> |
| 08:44.03 | linuxthefish | ah nvm i have to do in sudo -i |
| 08:44.04 | Unit193 | Because the redirect isn't as root, the 'echo' is. |
| 08:44.23 | Unit193 | echo 4422465 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness is the more fun way. |
| 08:44.33 | awal1 | shtrb, thanks for your time and clarifications; dinner time , now :) |
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| 08:52.35 | Tarrasquero | o/ |
| 08:54.07 | linuxthefish | ah i understand now ty Unit193 |
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| 09:09.23 | jaime_miro | hi I'm learning packaging.. have struck in middle of something.. |
| 09:09.35 | shtrb | ? |
| 09:10.22 | jaime_miro | have created hithere.dirs.. |
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| 09:11.07 | jaime_miro | and the manual says, "make it look like usr/bin" |
| 09:11.20 | jaime_miro | usr/share/man/man1 |
| 09:11.28 | jaime_miro | what does that mean? |
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| 09:12.51 | linuxthefish | like /usr/share/man/man1/nano.1.gz |
| 09:13.08 | jaime_miro | yea something like that |
| 09:13.15 | themill | jaime_miro: You'd do better asking in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. You might also want to say which manual and what 'it'. |
| 09:13.17 | jaime_miro | how do I do that |
| 09:14.40 | jaime_miro | https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging |
| 09:14.57 | jaime_miro | themill: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging |
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| 09:16.13 | themill | wrong url? or a specific link to somewhere random? |
| 09:17.22 | jaime_miro | went to debian's main page.. |
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| 09:17.52 | jaime_miro | https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging |
| 09:17.52 | themill | It'd be easier if you just explained what you were asking |
| 09:18.02 | themill | That's a link to the introduction |
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| 09:18.28 | themill | You're asking something specific about something somewhere on that very long page |
| 09:18.30 | awal1 | bazhang, just a comment: windows checks during boot if the wndows system copy is genuine r not. if not , one gets a black screen after a few days of advices. 'winload' gets around that injecting something I don't really know what it is , whch make windows think the copy is genuine.... Offtopic, sorry, guys :) |
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| 09:20.13 | jaime_miro | themill: it's in the end of step 4 |
| 09:20.22 | jaime_miro | climax of step 4 |
| 09:22.08 | themill | You need to edit that file |
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| 09:22.36 | themill | (assuming that the upstream installer is broken in a way that requires you to do that; most aren't) |
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| 09:23.36 | jaime_miro | it's broken.. |
| 09:23.51 | jaime_miro | the installation is getting failed |
| 09:24.16 | jaime_miro | I've created a file called hithere.dirs |
| 09:24.45 | jaime_miro | inside that I've inputted usr/bin |
| 09:25.04 | jaime_miro | usr/share/man/man1 |
| 09:25.28 | jaime_miro | where I went wrong? |
| 09:26.01 | themill | It'd be easier to know if we could actually see the build log ;) |
| 09:28.30 | jaime_miro | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc |
| 09:28.30 | jaime_miro | dpkg-buildpackage: source package hithere |
| 09:28.30 | jaime_miro | dpkg-buildpackage: source version 1.0-1 |
| 09:28.30 | jaime_miro | dpkg-buildpackage: source distribution UNRELEASED |
| 09:28.30 | jaime_miro | dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by citizenZero <EMAIL> |
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| 10:08.38 | matrix_architect | my system has no issue. it is quite boring |
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| 10:10.50 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is Debian no longer working to keep KDE up to date? |
| 10:11.04 | ivan | matrix_architect: you can probably find an issue you didn't know about in your journal! |
| 10:11.46 | matrix_architect | ivan, how can i read journal? |
| 10:11.52 | ivan | matrix_architect: journalctl |
| 10:13.03 | Lady_Aleena | The KDE with jessie is only 4.14.2 that was released in July 2014. It is over 3 years old. |
| 10:13.28 | ivan | you're asking why KDE hasn't been updated in oldstable? |
| 10:14.14 | Lady_Aleena | And sid only comes with 4.16.8. I see in the Wikipedia article that KDE is up to 17.08. |
| 10:14.59 | Lady_Aleena | I'm asking, is Debian working on getting KDE up to date with the current software? |
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| 10:15.57 | Lady_Aleena | I just testing a web page in Konqueror, and it appears Konqueror can't do modern web applications at all. |
| 10:16.13 | Lady_Aleena | s/I just/I was just/; |
| 10:17.23 | ivan | the tracker suggests things are still updated, just not always immediately |
| 10:17.28 | ivan | e.g. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dolphin is on latest |
| 10:18.02 | matrix_architect | stretch comes with kde 5.8LTS |
| 10:18.14 | ivan | konqueror probably isn't something you want to use to browse the web, it's going to get hardly any security attention |
| 10:19.33 | awal1 | and mixing $HOME + web jungle :P |
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| 10:22.37 | Lady_Aleena | ivan, I was using it to test 1 web page. I can't stand it normally. |
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| 10:29.06 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, I am trying to troubleshoot my problems on a website, so I tried Konqueror along with Chromium, I use Firefox-esr normally. I am getting the same thing in all browsers, so it could be an OS problem. |
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| 10:32.13 | Lady_Aleena | But I now know it is not an OS problem. |
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| 10:34.49 | Lady_Aleena | I guess I should go set up XFCE one day too. Maybe my system will run faster than with KDE. |
| 10:36.17 | beardy | Most likely. |
| 10:36.30 | shtrb | Lady_Aleena , you can always move to sid where it slighly less outdated :D |
| 10:36.49 | beardy | Don't tell people to use sid. |
| 10:37.08 | Lady_Aleena | shtrb, no thank you. I tried Stretch and didn't like it either. |
| 10:37.18 | ivan | what's wrong with stretch? |
| 10:37.23 | Lady_Aleena | KDE in Stretch looks like crap. |
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| 10:37.43 | shtrb | beardy , sid (or backports) has newer plasma (5.10) |
| 10:38.09 | shtrb | remove backports from that list |
| 10:38.13 | Lady_Aleena | So, unless I can keep KDE looking the same as it is now and upgrade to Stretch, I am stuck with Jessie. |
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| 10:38.42 | shtrb | Lady_Aleena , KDE / plasma had changed a lot since jessie |
| 10:38.56 | Lady_Aleena | shtrb, that is a given. |
| 10:40.04 | Lady_Aleena | I want the software upgrades without any visual changes basically. |
| 10:40.11 | shtrb | and 4.14 had been ages (and better to some parts ) than all the 5.x |
| 10:40.24 | shtrb | You can stick to a theme |
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| 10:41.56 | shtrb | Lady_Aleena , but you can find more debian kde specific help at OFTC (debian-kde) or just KDE at #KDE here |
| 10:42.36 | Lady_Aleena | shtrb, #KDE won't support such an old version of KDE. |
| 10:43.06 | shtrb | People still use TDE , so 4.14 is not that outdated |
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| 10:43.59 | shtrb | TDE := KDE 3.10 |
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| 10:44.33 | Lady_Aleena | shtrb, 4.14 is 3 years old. |
| 10:44.51 | shtrb | 3.10 is older :) |
| 10:45.35 | Lady_Aleena | I should switch to XFCE, but I'm chicken. |
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| 10:46.33 | Lady_Aleena | wishes there were a way to switch DEs without closing everything. |
| 10:46.54 | shtrb | you can start a new session without closing the previous one |
| 10:47.09 | Lady_Aleena | shtrb, would everything go over to the new session? |
| 10:47.25 | themill | xfce will look different to kde too... |
| 10:47.26 | Lady_Aleena | Like will VLC keep playing in the new session? |
| 10:48.00 | shtrb | Lady_Aleena , can't tell you about sound but apps continue working (no speakers around ) |
| 10:48.05 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I saw the first time I installed it. I just never took the time to set it up. |
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| 10:57.54 | damo22 | im getting something wierd on https://security.debian.org |
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| 10:58.14 | damo22 | the cert is invalid?? |
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| 10:58.39 | shtrb | it's banned here |
| 10:58.52 | damo22 | wtf |
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| 10:59.23 | shtrb | if the cert is incorrect, or look spooky the ISP blocks it :) |
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| 10:59.57 | damo22 | so what is going on |
| 11:00.00 | shtrb | but it should be www.debian.org/security |
| 11:00.13 | shtrb | If you are like me , the 30X doesn't arrive |
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| 11:00.31 | damo22 | no |
| 11:00.41 | damo22 | its always been security.debian.org |
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| 11:01.06 | themill | damo22: security.d.o doesn't do https |
| 11:01.23 | damo22 | what kind of security is that then |
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| 11:01.34 | shtrb | :D |
| 11:01.53 | shtrb | demo22 a redirect :) |
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| 11:02.08 | themill | damo22: the gpg signature you get on the information is much better than a cert that can be spoofed by any certificate authority |
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| 11:02.29 | damo22 | i think i have a b0rked server |
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| 11:02.34 | damo22 | how do i recover |
| 11:02.58 | themill | (deb.debian.org/debian-security does https if you really think it makes you more secure) |
| 11:03.05 | damo22 | i want to upgrade packages with a valid gpg sig |
| 11:03.28 | damo22 | i want to verify that the sig is correct before proceeding because i dont trust what is on the system currently |
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| 11:03.41 | damo22 | how do i proceed |
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| 11:05.58 | damo22 | can i get a copy of the keyring from scratch ? |
| 11:06.20 | damo22 | and scp the keyring up to the server ? |
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| 11:07.45 | themill | the starting point is to define what you're trying to do |
| 11:08.13 | themill | If you don't trust that machine then you can't trust the tools on it to check a gpg signature either |
| 11:08.52 | shtrb | damo22 , if the machine had been compromised assume they got access to ring -3 (in case of intel) there is nothing you can trust there |
| 11:10.05 | damo22 | not really, its a VPS so i doubt they can reflash bios |
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| 11:11.25 | shtrb | the GOD mode hack ? |
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| 11:11.43 | damo22 | ? |
| 11:13.07 | shtrb | There was a recent CVE where a nice usb command set would own your intel cpus |
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| 11:14.15 | shtrb | CVE-2017-5689 (http hack) |
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| 11:15.21 | damo22 | so what? that is the AMT blank password hack |
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| 11:16.00 | shtrb | if you hack the AMT, you have access to everything , nothing can be trusted on that machine anymore |
| 11:16.08 | shtrb | *if it was hacked |
| 11:16.14 | damo22 | i know, i dont think that part was |
| 11:16.41 | damo22 | i just think there are some vulns in my services |
| 11:16.56 | damo22 | and i want to upgrade them securely |
| 11:17.06 | shtrb | dd it , and reinstall from scratch |
| 11:17.40 | themill | damo22: you either trust your existing install or you do not |
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| 11:18.48 | damo22 | its hrd to tell, nothing has gone down or anything but my friend is telling me my domain has zillions of zero days |
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| 11:20.34 | damo22 | i only have ssh with pubkey access and no one else has logged in except me |
| 11:20.48 | damo22 | i think its fine |
| 11:20.50 | themill | If they are looking only at version numbers then they are talking out their arse. |
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| 11:21.18 | damo22 | he probably nmapped my services and looked at version numbers |
| 11:21.27 | damo22 | lol |
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| 11:22.24 | JCaesar | Uh, why is npm available on oldstable and sid? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=npm |
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| 11:22.38 | themill | JCaesar: because it's an unmaintainable mess |
| 11:22.46 | JCaesar | :) |
| 11:23.09 | shtrb | damo22 , you might have zero days it does not mean you had not been hacked already |
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| 11:23.40 | shtrb | Is npm still free ? |
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| 11:23.58 | themill | JCaesar: every now and then some people put some effort into getting it into sufficiently good shape to get into a stable release and then the next lot of craziness from upstream hits with another thousand packages for trivial one-liners and they give up |
| 11:24.14 | themill | and then it gets removed from testing and so isn't in the next stable release |
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| 12:20.38 | cybrNaut | why is "apt-file list keybase" shooting blanks? |
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| 12:21.31 | themill | cybrNaut: because keybase isn't a package |
| 12:22.29 | cybrNaut | if it's not a package, why does "aptitude show keybase" give info? |
| 12:23.10 | themill | it doesn't here |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | What does it show you? |
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| 12:24.05 | cybrNaut | http://sprunge.us/SBKJ |
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| 12:24.37 | themill | cybrNaut: the output of "apt-cache policy keybase" will perhaps be enlightening |
| 12:26.01 | cybrNaut | i'm trying to understand it.. i see this line http://prerelease.keybase.io/deb stable/main amd64 Packages |
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| 12:26.21 | cybrNaut | i wonder if by installing a deb file, it then added itself to the APT repos |
| 12:26.43 | abrotman | Did you use this website? https://keybase.io/docs/the_app/install_linux |
| 12:26.46 | cybrNaut | i originally downloaded a deb file and installed it... had no expectation of apt tools knowing about it |
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| 12:27.24 | cybrNaut | abrotman: yes |
| 12:27.39 | sidewalk | is there some bluetooth service for Debian which can accept audio streams for example from tablets and phones? |
| 12:27.41 | abrotman | but you didn't analyze the package before installing it? |
| 12:28.15 | cybrNaut | abrotman: i did to some extent, in various ways.. now i have to see what it has done to become known to apt |
| 12:28.23 | cybrNaut | it is a very sneaky package |
| 12:28.29 | Epakai | cybrNaut: apt-file depends on the repository's file database, if you want a file list for a local package (or maybe in this case a repo without file info) use dpkg -L package_name |
| 12:28.33 | cybrNaut | i removed it, hardened it, then reinstalled |
| 12:28.34 | abrotman | cybrNaut: dpkg -L keybase |
| 12:29.07 | themill | sounds like exactly the sort of software I'd trust with cryptographic information |
| 12:29.43 | cybrNaut | right, i've done the dpkg -L keybase previously.. but i actually wanted to see what was in the repo after discovering that "aptitude show keybase" gave output (i had thought that keybase had become official) |
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| 12:30.49 | cybrNaut | themill: this is not trustworthy at all.. which is why i was astonished when it appeared to have made it into debian (which as it turns out was just an illusion) |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | not an illusion, but operator error :) |
| 12:31.43 | cybrNaut | the keybase package is described as a "client", but it's actually a server that automatically runs and phones home.. connects to a centralized service on every boot |
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| 12:32.48 | cybrNaut | if someone tries to make it official i hope the Debian folks will scrutinize it |
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| 12:33.38 | abrotman | Looks like it's free, not Free |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | Oh, maybe not |
| 12:34.35 | cybrNaut | well it claims to be open source.. not sure what license it has.. there is a github project |
| 12:34.49 | cybrNaut | i think it's free, but just bad quality |
| 12:34.56 | abrotman | https://github.com/keybase/client/blob/master/LICENSE Cute .. |
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| 12:35.42 | abrotman | It's a BSD license, so it could be included. If you want, you can file an RFP, and mention that you'd believe the package should be split? |
| 12:36.29 | cybrNaut | why split? you mean client/server split? |
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| 12:36.33 | Kristjan | My name is Kristjan. I am in urgent need for money. People, please send me money. Bank account nr: EE671010010225901016 (Estonia). Name: Kristjan Robam |
| 12:36.51 | abrotman | Seems legit .. |
| 12:37.02 | cybrNaut | he was around begging yesterday in some of the channels |
| 12:37.21 | cybrNaut | (asked for $50) |
| 12:37.35 | cybrNaut | now he's asking for any amount |
| 12:37.41 | teraflops | lol |
| 12:37.42 | mr__tea | heh |
| 12:37.46 | mr__tea | send me some cashz |
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| 12:39.34 | teraflops | cybrNaut: I have a keybase.io account. idk about that messenger client you're talking about but at least keybase.io is a well known project |
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| 12:41.01 | cybrNaut | teraflops: without running their special tool (the server that they're calling a "client"), you cannot receive chat msgs, and the sender doesn't know that the msgs don't go through |
| 12:41.50 | cybrNaut | but the worst part is that users are lead to believe they are installing a /client/, when in fact they are installing a server that automatically connects to a central server w/out proxy |
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| 12:42.40 | cybrNaut | very dodgy.. i realized right away why it wasn't official debian |
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| 12:44.09 | cybrNaut | it's baffling how ppl are largely okay with this |
| 12:45.00 | teraflops | cybrNaut: the main concern about keybase.io is having the private gpg keys there. and you can (I do have mines in yubikey) keep your privkeys with you |
| 12:45.55 | cybrNaut | teraflops: that's not really a concern.. you have a choice about that |
| 12:46.16 | teraflops | then there's no concern at all ;p |
| 12:46.19 | cybrNaut | i wouldn't put my keys there, and i'm not bothered by losing the ability to decrypt on the web |
| 12:46.46 | teraflops | yeah but their filesystem is a neat idea |
| 12:47.13 | cybrNaut | but it *should* be a concern that senders are able to send a chat msg when recipients are unable to receive it, and the sender gets no feedback that the msg was not received |
| 12:47.44 | teraflops | cybrNaut: not really imo |
| 12:47.48 | cybrNaut | it *should* be a concern that something is called a "client" but actually is a *server*, making unexpected connections |
| 12:48.12 | cybrNaut | it's a security problem |
| 12:48.19 | teraflops | you're talking about the messenger thingy? |
| 12:48.30 | cybrNaut | both actually |
| 12:48.33 | teraflops | no idea about it as I already pointed out above |
| 12:48.51 | likcoras | cybrNaut: How do you define server, though? Just that it makes connections on boot? |
| 12:48.52 | cybrNaut | it's an availability problem that someone can send a msg that will never be received, and not even know it wasn't received |
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| 12:49.34 | cybrNaut | likcoras: it's always running, it listens, it makes connections.. it does everything you would normally associate with server behavior |
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| 12:49.57 | likcoras | Oh, it listens? Damn. |
| 12:50.15 | CyberManifest | Google defines 'server' as: https://www.google.com/search?q=Define:server |
| 12:50.35 | CyberManifest | Dictionary.com defines 'server' as: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/server?s=t |
| 12:51.13 | teraflops | the craziest hardened messaging system I have ever tried is vuvuzela ;D |
| 12:51.14 | cybrNaut | it listens locally for client connections, and (i'm guessing) it listens to the wan, otherwise how would chats be coming through? I emphasise that i'm guessing, b/c it's also undocumented, which is another atrocious thing about it |
| 12:52.09 | teraflops | https://github.com/vuvuzela/vuvuzela |
| 12:52.13 | cybrNaut | google's definition is lousy.. an X11 server is not a server by that definition |
| 12:53.00 | CyberManifest | Wikipedia of 'server' is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/server |
| 12:53.08 | cybrNaut | of course there's also the confidentiality problem: the server discloses your IP address |
| 12:53.50 | cybrNaut | wikipedia is more reasonable |
| 12:55.10 | cybrNaut | and shit, this shit app adds an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/keybase.list file |
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| 12:55.17 | cybrNaut | talk about taking liberties |
| 12:56.44 | cybrNaut | if it's not in the official repo, maybe we want to inspect it before installing, in which case we might not want it to be updatable. it presumes if you trust one version of the tool that you would then naturally trust anything appearing in their repo |
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| 12:57.06 | supl | I installed debian on a laptop with Windows 10, and grub successfully installed. But now when I boot, the laptop boots automatically on Windows and I have no choice on booting on debian |
| 12:57.47 | cybrNaut | supl: iirc, it should be fine if windows is the first thing installed |
| 12:57.53 | cybrNaut | i guess you did the flip order |
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| 12:58.15 | cybrNaut | MS Windows presumes that it's naturally the only OS one would ever want |
| 12:58.24 | jelly | supl: if there's a key to open a boot device menu during POST, open that and see if you have a debian entry to choose |
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| 12:59.08 | supl | cybrNut: windows was installed first and I installed debian after |
| 12:59.24 | supl | jelly: there is a boot menu, and there I can pick: hard drive / windows boot manger / usb stick |
| 12:59.40 | supl | when I go to hard drive, it simply boots on windows |
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| 13:00.04 | Tarrasquero | supl: os-probe = |
| 13:00.11 | supl | I am now booted on the live ISO of the USB stick (but with no internet); is there something that I can do? |
| 13:00.15 | gpunk | supl you installed grub on the wrong device ... |
| 13:00.24 | CyberManifest | supl: I think there's a key to press to bring up GRUB on boot, something like <shift> |
| 13:01.01 | supl | gpunk: but I chose the hard drive for installing grub, why is that wrong? the only other choice was the usb stick (with the debian ISO) |
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| 13:01.37 | gpunk | are you sure ? on /dev/sda or /dev/sda2 ? |
| 13:01.41 | supl | Tarrasquero: command not found |
| 13:01.52 | Tarrasquero | grub instaler /dev/sdb,sdc... install windows reinstall grub /dev/sda > os-probe |
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| 13:02.27 | Tarrasquero | sudo apt-get install os-probe |
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| 13:02.42 | supl | gpunk: it was the "master boot record" I think, so there was no choice of partition (GRUB did not detect windows, which I guess is normal because it is UEFI) |
| 13:03.03 | gpunk | is secureboot enabled? |
| 13:03.09 | supl | Tarrasquero: I have no internet on the laptop :( because it needs proprietary WIFI drivers |
| 13:03.12 | Tarrasquero | yes , /dev/sdb no delete |
| 13:03.29 | supl | gpunk: I disabled it (and enabled Legacy first boot) |
| 13:03.36 | gpunk | ok |
| 13:03.46 | CyberManifest | sup1 GRUB2 works with UEFI |
| 13:04.24 | jelly | supl: oh, you don't have UEFI boot? |
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| 13:04.45 | jelly | that's somewhat unusual for a system that arrived with windows 10 |
| 13:05.15 | supl | it is uefi |
| 13:05.22 | CyberManifest | jelly: windows 10 can be installed to a system at a later time, I've installed windows 10 on legacy before |
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| 13:05.27 | teraflops | win10 can do bios+mbr too |
| 13:05.33 | jelly | your description does not sound like an uefi boot menu |
| 13:06.01 | gpunk | you enabled legacy, so you are not in eufi anymore |
| 13:06.14 | supl | I enabled both |
| 13:06.15 | jelly | go back to uefi boot if you can |
| 13:06.28 | CyberManifest | gpunk: how do you know they enabled legacy? |
| 13:06.30 | supl | both are enabled, it's just "Legacy first" |
| 13:06.37 | supl | I said it above |
| 13:06.39 | supl | :) |
| 13:06.39 | gpunk | he said it :p |
| 13:06.44 | CyberManifest | sup1: in that case set UEFI first |
| 13:06.45 | jelly | then go back to "uefi first" |
| 13:06.56 | supl | ok let me try |
| 13:07.12 | CyberManifest | gpunk: I missed where he said that |
| 13:07.30 | jelly | if d-i detected uefi, it would have installed efi variant of grub |
| 13:07.38 | Tarrasquero | no user win |
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| 13:11.10 | teraflops | is not that hard unless your device uefi implementation sucks. you disable secure boot and make yourself sure you pick Windows ESP. that's all. d-i takes care of all the internals |
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| 13:14.07 | jelly | what's an ESP? |
| 13:14.42 | gpunk | 98 SE lol |
| 13:15.32 | teraflops | jelly: the fat partition where bootloader puts its efi binaries |
| 13:15.33 | Nawab | https://pcsx2.net/download/releases/linux.html |
| 13:15.41 | Nawab | is it available for debian? |
| 13:16.08 | gpunk | apt search ? |
| 13:16.08 | apt | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
| 13:18.30 | supl | jelly: I set UEFI first but it's the same behavior, when I go to the boot menu I can choose the hard drive or the Windows Boot Manager, but both directly lead to the windows 10 icon |
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| 13:20.25 | indistylo | How to unset the GOPATH for golang , when i do go env, it shows two path, see details here, https://github.com/linkedin/Burrow/issues/280 --> i want to set one path export GOPATH=$HOME/go |
| 13:20.52 | supl | teraflops: both choices in the boot menu directly lead to the Windows 10 icon |
| 13:20.57 | indistylo | doing rm -f does not helped |
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| 13:21.58 | teraflops | supl: I'd boot debian installer again and check it is in uefi mode |
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| 13:22.34 | teraflops | or rescue mode either |
| 13:22.40 | abrotman | indistylo: you're trying to unset an environment/shell variable? |
| 13:22.54 | supl | teraflops: I'm booted on the live ISO right no |
| 13:24.00 | jelly | supl: and if you disable legacy boot completely, do you still get the same options? |
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| 13:25.22 | supl | jelly: yes (hard drive, windows boot manager, USB, PCI LAN) |
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| 13:29.18 | supl | I booted on the installer again, and I see the ext4 and swap partition but I don't see the "/" symbol next to ext4 |
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| 13:33.38 | wizredoom | hello. I just installed the latest debian with lvm/luks through the debian cd iso file copied on an usb drive. I've done this before without any problems. this time it seemed to go well, the drive worked well on one computer, but on my new desktop computer that's supposed to use this disk, the desktop would freeze (incl. the keyboard) at the first bios screen as long as the drive was connected at all! what could have gone wrong? |
| 13:34.33 | wizredoom | like I'm trying to figure out how to proceed from here |
| 13:36.29 | cybrNaut | wth.. $ dpkg --unpack keybase_amd64.deb ==> "dpkg: error: requested operation requires superuser privilege" |
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| 13:36.49 | cybrNaut | shouldn't someone with user privilege be able to inspect a file that has user permissions? |
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| 13:37.17 | abrotman | cybrNaut: use the ar command |
| 13:37.21 | wizredoom | also I deleted all the partitions and copied the same cd iso file onto the disk and the desktop had no problems booting it up then! ((confused)) |
| 13:37.45 | themill | cybrNaut: you want -x not --unpack |
| 13:37.57 | cybrNaut | shit.. i just realized this was a fuckup.. i ran as admin, and it downgraded the package |
| 13:38.06 | indistylo | abrotman, Now that you have identified the problem, kindly suggest solution as well. |
| 13:38.07 | cybrNaut | unpack is not what I thought it was |
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| 13:38.25 | abrotman | indistylo: excuse me? |
| 13:38.29 | indistylo | how to remove this : GOPATH="/usr/local/sbin:/u |
| 13:38.40 | abrotman | indistylo: `unset GOPATH` ? |
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| 13:39.20 | indistylo | got it |
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| 13:39.33 | abrotman | indistylo: man bash |
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| 13:44.06 | supl | If i don't have internet, which package should I install to wifi on my laptop; the installation said some microcodes were missing |
| 13:44.43 | abrotman | supl: that message is likely important. Do you know which wifi card you have? can you check the system logs to look for that message? |
| 13:45.19 | supl | abrotman: it was during the debian installer, would the messages still be there in the newly installed system? |
| 13:45.29 | gpunk | yes |
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| 13:47.19 | gpunk | supl can you show us your dmesg ? |
| 13:47.51 | supl | gpunk: it is difficult since I don't have internet. what can I grep? |
| 13:48.00 | gpunk | hmm, |
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| 13:48.21 | supl | "microcode" doesn't show me the message that was shown during the installation |
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| 13:48.33 | gpunk | grep wl ? maybe |
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| 13:49.11 | gpunk | even then, you cant install packages, if needed , without internet |
| 13:49.12 | supl | firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-20.ucode |
| 13:49.19 | gpunk | cool, hold on |
| 13:49.23 | supl | same message from 20 to 26 |
| 13:49.50 | supl | can I take the package on the usb stick and install with dpkg -i? |
| 13:49.59 | gpunk | yes you can |
| 13:50.59 | gpunk | install this firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | they need the URL proably, because tehy can't use internet .. |
| 13:51.34 | supl | nah it's good, I have internet here :) |
| 13:51.43 | abrotman | supl: which verseion of Debian ? |
| 13:51.47 | supl | 9.2.0 |
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| 13:52.09 | supl | should I take "stable"? |
| 13:52.14 | gpunk | yes |
| 13:52.18 | abrotman | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb |
| 13:52.53 | supl | great thanks! |
| 13:53.34 | supl | my laptop has a Fn button and to do Alt+F4 I must us that Fn button; is there a way to switch the behavior of Fn? |
| 13:54.26 | qwxlea | supl, did you check your bios? |
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| 13:55.18 | qwxlea | i swapped my fn and my ctrl key in the bios, yours might have something like it |
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| 13:56.42 | supl | qwxlea: found it: "F1-F12 as primary function" |
| 13:58.06 | wizredoom | my freshly installed encrypted debian boots and works on one computer (6y laptop), but completely freezes my brand new desktop computer at the FIRST bios screen, making the keyboard unresponsive. copying an iso onto the drive instead made the desktop boot the disk/drive up no problem... :o what could be going on here/what should I try next?? |
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| 13:59.53 | gpunk | "copying an iso onto the drive instead" what do you mean ? |
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| 14:01.27 | wizredoom | dd if=debian-cd.iso of=/dev/sdX |
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| 14:02.40 | gpunk | why you wanna do that ? try a fresh install then ... |
| 14:03.03 | qwxlea | wizredoom, are you trying to boot a usb, or swapping harddrives? |
| 14:03.10 | wizredoom | I did that to test if there was a hardware issue |
| 14:03.24 | gpunk | ok |
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| 14:04.00 | wizredoom | qwxlea: swapping drives pretty much, yeah. I installed the encrypted debian while on the laptop, want to use the drive in my desktop |
| 14:04.38 | gpunk | what 's the CPU on the desktop ? |
| 14:04.38 | dka | I have a very weird case. I have started a container using --net=host , the container startup correctly but when I try to access it using http://localhost:8080 I have connection refused |
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| 14:04.49 | dka | help please? |
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| 14:05.35 | wizredoom | gpunk: intel i3-8350K |
| 14:05.41 | qwxlea | maybe uefi mode or bios legacy difference between laptop and workstation? |
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| 14:09.46 | wizredoom | qwxlea: hmm. seen those words a lot, but don't know what they mean. (googling). bios firmware? how do I troubleshoot/learn more? |
| 14:10.23 | gpunk | go to the PC bios, and switch from EUFI to BIOS or vice-versa |
| 14:10.33 | gpunk | and give it a try |
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| 14:15.26 | wizredoom | gpunk: thank you. looks like it was set to "UEFI and legacy rom". I guess I'll try re-installing (since I replaced the installation with an iso) and test out each option individually |
| 14:16.07 | gpunk | :) |
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| 14:17.08 | wizredoom | :) |
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| 15:45.18 | __marco | Hello. I mixed stable with unstable. How can I find all the packages not part of stable? |
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| 15:48.35 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 15:48.35 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 15:50.27 | dff | i want to remove gnome and every package that came with it, many google searches say you are better off reinstalling debian |
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| 15:50.45 | dff | im not going install another UI, so does that apply in my case |
| 15:50.59 | jelly | __marco: remove unstable sources from configuration, then |
| 15:51.00 | shtrb | dff , are you ready for some command line ? |
| 15:51.02 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 15:51.02 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 15:51.12 | dff | shtrb: i only want command line! :) |
| 15:51.16 | jelly | or was it |
| 15:51.19 | jelly | !not available |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 15:51.27 | shtrb | dff , apt-get remove --purge gnome-* |
| 15:51.28 | __marco | jelly, ok, thanks |
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| 15:52.01 | omarek | Hi, is there a preferred method to install vim plugins in Debian ? |
| 15:52.29 | dff | shtrb: do you know why many people are suggesting a complete reinstall? |
| 15:52.34 | dff | i dont get it |
| 15:52.43 | shtrb | no, sometimes it is just faster |
| 15:53.25 | shtrb | but debian testing live have a nice feature, if you select only base system and ssh you get gnome for free |
| 15:53.43 | shtrb | *debian testing cd |
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| 15:54.45 | dff | i was just playing around with the install, i was sure im was going to do a complete re-install without gnome. but now ive invested so much time in it i dont want to lose it all |
| 15:54.50 | sab110 | Is anyone here running Debian on a System76 laptop? |
| 15:56.31 | flipper887 | sab110: Which system76 model are you running debian on? |
| 15:56.45 | jelly | dff: you could start by removing task-gnome-desktop and everything it Recommends: |
| 15:56.52 | teraflops | omarek: tbh I prefer not letting the OS handle it, that's a personal preference though. I also find vim-plug very good at handling plugins not only for vim but also for neovim |
| 15:57.02 | jelly | ,recommends task-gnome-desktop |
| 15:57.03 | judd | Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: gnome, libreoffice-gnome, libreoffice-evolution, gimp, synaptic, firefox-esr | firefox, libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, network-manager-gnome. |
| 15:57.31 | sab110 | flipper887, I'm not. I wanted to ask someone about their user experience if someone was running it. I'm considering switching from OS X to Debian on a laptop because my workflow has changed. I want to just do my research ahead of time. |
| 15:58.19 | omarek | teraflops: I think vim-plug is not available in repositories ? |
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| 15:58.32 | jelly | dff: so... something like apt purge task-gnome-desktop gnome libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-evolution gimp synaptic firefox-esr firefox libreoffice libreoffice-help-en-us mythes-en-us hunspell-en-us hyphen-en-us network-manager-gnome brasero gnome-games polari transmission-gtk |
| 15:59.03 | jelly | dff: I've also added Recommends from the "gnome" package there |
| 15:59.03 | teraflops | omarek: idk, as I said I prefer not letting OS (package manager) to handle it |
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| 16:00.31 | omarek | teraflops: is neovim gradually taking over ? |
| 16:00.51 | teraflops | omarek: it has its advantages, like portability, but as I already said it's a personal preference |
| 16:00.56 | dff | jelly: thanks |
| 16:01.09 | teraflops | omarek: idk, I switched time ago and I never looked back |
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| 16:05.07 | jhutchins | !remove gnome |
| 16:05.07 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 16:05.18 | jhutchins | That's a bit old. |
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| 16:06.40 | teraflops | a bit much old :P |
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| 17:08.06 | tsukuyomi | hi, is there a difference between installing packages with sudo and sudo -i ? |
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| 17:08.43 | petn-randall | tsukuyomi: no |
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| 17:08.54 | petn-randall | If there is, I'd consider it a bug. |
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| 17:11.38 | tsukuyomi | petn-randall: okay |
| 17:12.24 | tsukuyomi | I was wondering why it's generally considered "bad" to install packages using sudo su instead of just sudo/sudo -i, but the explanation I found online seems to be quite complicated for me |
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| 17:12.56 | petn-randall | tsukuyomi: Where does it say it's considered bad? |
| 17:13.22 | tsukuyomi | petn-randall: someone was saying it in a different channel, I couldn't understand why |
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| 17:14.34 | tsukuyomi | petn-randall: I suppose they didn't know what they were saying, right? |
| 17:14.58 | n4dir | i guess a good advise is to observe a channel for a while and then consider which users seem to have a clue. People say a lot (including me, duh) |
| 17:15.05 | znf | how do you change the text console resolution WITHOUT changing grub/kernel options or rebooting? |
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| 17:15.30 | n4dir | znf you need a bigger font or you need a different resolution? |
| 17:15.58 | znf | n4dir: different resolution, I'm on a laptop with 1280x800 and my remote KVM is 1024x768, leaving me without a line and it's bugging me to hell |
| 17:16.17 | n4dir | no clue about that. good luck |
| 17:16.57 | znf | tsukuyomi: there is no difference between those, but doing `sudo su` is kind of redundant |
| 17:17.26 | znf | it's like doing `cat file | grep` |
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| 17:18.19 | tunasalad | hello there. is there any way to pass the --listen option to Xorg in order to keep the 6000/tcp open has that been depreciated? |
| 17:18.34 | tsukuyomi | znf: I didn't get it either |
| 17:18.37 | petn-randall | tsukuyomi: No idea if they're telling the truth, but I don't know what would make that bad. |
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| 17:19.50 | tunasalad | I just want my XServer to listen on 6000/tcp like it used to. but with all those recent gdm3 developments, I'm not sure how. |
| 17:20.41 | petn-randall | tunasalad: What ultimate goal are you trying to achieve? Your solution doesn't seem very safe. |
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| 17:21.03 | znf | you seem to want to go back to the past :P |
| 17:21.26 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 17:21.26 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 17:21.33 | tunasalad | there used to be a patch to gdm3: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785495#38 , doesn't seem to work with gdm3 3.26 |
| 17:21.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785495 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: handle new Xorg "-nolisten tcp" default»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-17; last modified: 2016-05-24. |
| 17:22.16 | tunasalad | my goal is to run remote X programs |
| 17:22.24 | tunasalad | like I used to |
| 17:22.31 | petn-randall | tunasalad: Use "ssh -X" instead? |
| 17:22.37 | tunasalad | I know xhost + is unsafe |
| 17:22.38 | znf | wouldn't it be easier/simpler to use ssh -Y/-X ? |
| 17:22.47 | tunasalad | I know about ssh forwarding |
| 17:22.51 | petn-randall | tunasalad: Or just set up a VNC server. |
| 17:23.01 | petn-randall | which would probably be orders of magnitude faster. |
| 17:23.03 | tunasalad | unfortunately, ssh forwarding is not the answer here. |
| 17:23.15 | tunasalad | neither is setting up a VNC server |
| 17:23.18 | petn-randall | tunasalad: What's preventing you from using it? |
| 17:23.27 | tunasalad | let's say, IT policy. |
| 17:23.28 | linuxthefish | hi, when running apt-get -f install, it tells me php-mbstring has unmet dependencies but i don't want to install php-mbstring and can't apt-get remove it, how can i fix this? |
| 17:23.47 | petn-randall | tunasalad: Other than holding onto old habits, that is ;) |
| 17:23.49 | sparrow1 | linuxthefish: why do you not want to install it |
| 17:23.51 | linuxthefish | ah nvm fixed with dpkg |
| 17:23.54 | tunasalad | petn-randall, that, too. |
| 17:23.59 | bari | Hello, i have set my HDD to go standby when inactive... but, the disk is woken up when the system is going to suspend. Is that normal? Is normal that the disk is woken up before system suspend? it is strange :) |
| 17:24.05 | znf | tunasalad: 1) your IT's policy is retarded, congrats; 2) what DM are you using? |
| 17:24.08 | linuxthefish | sparrow1 because i needed dist upgrade first |
| 17:24.15 | tunasalad | so any way to do it the old way? |
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| 17:24.31 | znf | change the DM configuration to allow tcp |
| 17:24.32 | petn-randall | tunasalad: It's probably been deprecated for ~15 years now, so I'd guess you'd have to spend more time and effort to enable this, making the two recommended ways easier. |
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| 17:24.47 | tunasalad | petn-randall, 1) agreed; 2) GNOME |
| 17:25.05 | znf | so would that be GDM? are you sure? |
| 17:25.06 | petn-randall | tunasalad: I think that was meant for znf |
| 17:25.19 | tunasalad | petn-randall, worked on a previous (yet patched) version of gdm3 |
| 17:25.41 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 17:25.44 | znf | I don't run debian as a desktop, so no idea what debian uses these days by default |
| 17:25.57 | linuxthefish | why doesn't apt-get autocomplete on one of my PC's, but on all the others i can press tab? |
| 17:26.13 | tunasalad | I honestly don't see how GNOME comes into this |
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| 17:26.17 | petn-randall | tunasalad: Whatever Frankenpatch you'll come up with to fix it, it definitely won't work in the next release when all of it is using wayland instead of Xorg. |
| 17:26.18 | teraflops | tunasalad: about xhost + you can +SI:localuser:whatever to harden it a bit |
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| 17:26.29 | znf | tunasalad: I didn't say Gnome. Don't confuse Gnome with GDM... |
| 17:26.42 | tunasalad | petn-randall, well aware of that; still. |
| 17:26.55 | sparrow1 | is this channel for debian specifically or all debian derivatives? |
| 17:27.00 | tunasalad | teraflops, xhost is useless since no-one is listening |
| 17:27.05 | teraflops | only debian^ |
| 17:27.07 | sparrow1 | good |
| 17:27.14 | tunasalad | znf: gdm3 then |
| 17:27.29 | znf | tunasalad: one solution is to swap to another dm (like sddm?) and change the options on those |
| 17:27.32 | teraflops | tunasalad: go use plain startx or go use the gnome way |
| 17:27.52 | znf | I don't think sddm depends on the rest of KDE, so you can probably use that |
| 17:28.12 | tunasalad | znf: wouldn't that wreak total havoc and break future updates? |
| 17:28.22 | znf | I don't see how |
| 17:28.25 | tunasalad | I am on GNOME |
| 17:28.29 | tunasalad | what's the GNOME way |
| 17:29.02 | znf | the gnome way is to use gdm, which you said it's patched :P |
| 17:29.09 | teraflops | tunasalad: unless im blind yo did not say what's your goal |
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| 17:29.38 | n4dir | linuxthefish: at what point does it fail? |
| 17:29.48 | tunasalad | teraflops, that would be adding --listen 6000 to Xorg |
| 17:29.53 | teraflops | why? |
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| 17:30.38 | linuxthefish | n4dir, for example if i type "apt-get install lightt" and press tab, it should autocomplete to lighttpd but it doesn't |
| 17:30.44 | linuxthefish | this is only on one PC, not all of them |
| 17:30.52 | tunasalad | so that remote X programs could connect to my Debian. without the use of ssh |
| 17:31.03 | teraflops | linuxthefish: install bash completion package |
| 17:31.05 | znf | normally you could have added "DisallowTCP=false" in the gdm config, but you said it's patched. So you should try looking for another DM (ie: SDDM) that still allows that option. |
| 17:31.06 | petn-randall | teraflops: tunasalad wants to run X clients remotely, but prefers the unsafe way over "ssh -X" or running a VNC server. |
| 17:31.20 | tunasalad | I most certainly do. |
| 17:31.25 | teraflops | ah |
| 17:31.29 | tunasalad | well aware of the consequences. |
| 17:31.34 | n4dir | lol. i didn't even know you could autocomplete the package you want to install. I always assumed that only works for the command. |
| 17:31.48 | tunasalad | just need a way to do it. |
| 17:31.55 | znf | or lightdm, obviously |
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| 17:32.44 | linuxthefish | thanks teraflops, fixed! :D |
| 17:32.51 | teraflops | np |
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| 17:38.35 | tunasalad | damn router |
| 17:39.00 | tunasalad | so back to my very bright idea of opening up 6000/tcp. any ideas yet? |
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| 17:43.14 | tunasalad | guess not. |
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| 17:44.16 | fasdfd | Is there any difference between 'sudo -i -u someuser' and 'su someuser'? |
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| 17:45.59 | petn-randall | fasdfd: Yes, the system could be set up to allow the one, but not the other. Also, the latter one doesn't start a login shell for someuser, you'd run 'su - someuser' for that. |
| 17:46.25 | petn-randall | For example, I don't have sudo configured or installed on my desktop. |
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| 17:47.31 | fasdfd | What's the difference between login shell and swtiching to another user (su)? |
| 17:48.49 | znf | a "login shell" also reads and parses the users environment variables |
| 17:49.05 | petn-randall | fasdfd: Many environment vars don't get set, and for example .bashrc for that user won't be run (among other things) |
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| 17:49.33 | petn-randall | Not entirely correct since you could some other shell than bash, but you get the gist. |
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| 18:09.20 | dka | how can I know what is the ip address of the hostname "docker" on my host ? |
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| 18:17.10 | mandeep | is there a way to have my network connection always use the vpn? |
| 18:17.41 | petn-randall | mandeep: Are you using network-manager? |
| 18:17.53 | mandeep | petn-randall: yeah |
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| 18:19.28 | petn-randall | mandeep: Edit the connection settings, then enable "Automatically connect to VPN using this connection:" and select the VPN connection. |
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| 18:21.53 | mandeep_ | petn-randall: sorry i got disconnected. i dont see that option anywhere |
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| 18:22.18 | petn-randall | mandeep_: Which OS release are you running? |
| 18:22.36 | mandeep_ | petn-randall: debian 9 gnome |
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| 18:23.58 | MrBar | ati proprietary drivers for video not working anymore? |
| 18:24.22 | petn-randall | mandeep_: In the systray, right click on the network-manager icon â Edit connections... â select the connection that you want to start your VPN with, e.g. "eth0 DHCP" â Edit â "General" tab â Automatically connect to VPN when using this connection |
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| 18:24.55 | petn-randall | MrBar: yes, no, maybe? Add some context if you'd like to get help. |
| 18:24.57 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 18:24.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:25.00 | petn-randall | !context |
| 18:25.00 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 18:25.00 | teraflops | mandeep_: you can also use nm-connection-editor |
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| 18:26.10 | mandeep_ | petn-randall: there's no edit connections when right clicking. however teraflops's solution worked |
| 18:26.13 | mandeep_ | thanks all |
| 18:27.21 | teraflops | MrBar: if you are talking about fglrx you better forget its existence |
| 18:27.24 | petn-randall | mandeep_: Ok, cool. |
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| 18:29.11 | MrBar | teraflops, but radeon run slow in opengl |
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| 18:30.13 | teraflops | fglrx wont work with stretch's xorg version anyway |
| 18:30.26 | teraflops | have fun downgrading xorg⦠|
| 18:32.58 | MrBar | teraflops, some side effects on downgrading? |
| 18:33.04 | teraflops | ugh |
| 18:33.20 | teraflops | MrBar: no idea but I really do not recommend doing it |
| 18:33.47 | teraflops | you better use debian jessie I guess |
| 18:34.02 | MrBar | oh no |
| 18:34.40 | MrBar | apt beat me if i downgrade xorg? |
| 18:34.40 | apt | ACTION beats me if i downgrade xorg with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
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| 18:39.54 | jhutchins | teraflops: Maybe they have an OEM fglrx that's newer? |
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| 18:40.18 | areyouloco | jhutchins: yeah i would also like opencl support |
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| 18:46.08 | teraflops | jhutchins: not for linux afaik |
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| 18:46.23 | teraflops | at least debian stretch does not support it |
| 18:47.31 | matrix_architect | when i look "cat /proc/cpuinfo" it always shows 3.000 Mhz. but if i look "cpufreq-info" it shows the current frequency. i am asking this because i use a cpu indicator gets frequency data from /proc/cpuinfo i believe. so it always shows 3.000 Mhz. can i fix this? |
| 18:47.38 | xai | How I can freeze disk io for a few seconds? |
| 18:48.14 | MrBar | matrix_architect, try lscpu |
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| 18:48.57 | matrix_architect | MrBar, it only gives me cpu info |
| 18:49.09 | matrix_architect | i don't know how it can fix my indicator |
| 18:49.27 | MrBar | matrix_architect, there CPU MHz: |
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| 18:49.47 | matrix_architect | MrBar, CPU MHz: 3000.000 |
| 18:50.04 | matrix_architect | it is also wrong |
| 18:50.09 | MrBar | and what CPU min MHz ? |
| 18:50.17 | matrix_architect | 800 |
| 18:50.27 | MrBar | why u thing it wrong? |
| 18:50.27 | LtL | matrix_architect: try this, watch -n 0.1 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i mhz' |
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| 18:51.15 | matrix_architect | LtL, it also shows 3.000 Mhz. it doesn't change |
| 18:51.29 | matrix_architect | MrBar, because cpufreq-info shows me coreect frequency |
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| 18:52.41 | matrix_architect | my indicator always shows me 3.000 Mhz |
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| 18:53.42 | matrix_architect | it was working well before |
| 18:54.03 | matrix_architect | i don't know why that happened |
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| 18:56.47 | MrBar | matrix_architect, what governor is used? |
| 18:57.18 | matrix_architect | MrBar, powersave |
| 18:57.30 | matrix_architect | pstate |
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| 18:58.34 | teraflops | ,v cpupower |
| 18:58.35 | judd | No package named 'cpupower' was found in amd64. |
| 18:58.43 | teraflops | hmmm |
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| 18:59.13 | matrix_architect | i am saying cpufreq-info shows the correct frequencies |
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| 18:59.46 | matrix_architect | when i use 4 core it shows 3.3 Ghz. in idle it shows 800 Mhz |
| 19:00.53 | MrBar | intel? |
| 19:01.22 | matrix_architect | yes |
| 19:01.25 | MrBar | pstate? |
| 19:01.33 | matrix_architect | sure |
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| 19:01.54 | MrBar | kernel version? |
| 19:02.15 | matrix_architect | 4.13.13-1~bpo9+1 |
| 19:02.35 | matrix_architect | backport kernel |
| 19:02.39 | MrBar | where u get this kernel? |
| 19:02.46 | matrix_architect | from backport |
| 19:03.01 | matrix_architect | stretch |
| 19:03.01 | MrBar | what backport? what debian version? |
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| 19:03.19 | MrBar | strech backport? |
| 19:03.24 | matrix_architect | sure |
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| 19:03.31 | MrBar | from testing? |
| 19:03.46 | matrix_architect | ugh. no! from stretch backport |
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| 19:06.14 | MrBar | it from buster |
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| 19:06.38 | MrBar | why u use this kernel? |
| 19:07.32 | matrix_architect | because i use relatively new system. so new kernel fixes some issues |
| 19:07.52 | matrix_architect | MrBar, what is buster? |
| 19:08.10 | MrBar | next debian release |
| 19:08.23 | bit_rex | sudo apt-get install qbittorrent its cant work |
| 19:08.34 | bit_rex | does anybody help me about this |
| 19:08.37 | matrix_architect | are you saying i am not getting kernel from backport? |
| 19:08.39 | annadane | bit_rex, what about it doesn't work? post your output to paste.debian.net |
| 19:08.40 | annadane | also |
| 19:08.42 | annadane | !bat |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:09.51 | MrBar | matrix_architect, it from backport, new kernel new problems, again :) |
| 19:10.04 | matrix_architect | :/ |
| 19:10.19 | annadane | MrBar, this isn't helpful |
| 19:10.28 | MrBar | sure |
| 19:10.53 | MrBar | pstate have long bugs history |
| 19:11.02 | bit_rex | sudo apt-get install qbittorrent |
| 19:11.02 | bit_rex | [sudo] password for flipflop: |
| 19:11.02 | bit_rex | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:11.02 | bit_rex | Building dependency tree |
| 19:11.03 | bit_rex | Reading state information... Done |
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| 19:11.29 | MrBar | noob |
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| 19:13.12 | matrix_architect | indicator shows percent correct |
| 19:13.27 | annadane | bit_rex, please use the website paste.debian.net, don't paste in the main channel |
| 19:13.41 | bit_rex | ok |
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| 19:14.02 | MrBar | matrix_architect, it strange |
| 19:14.15 | tomlukeywood | Can i run debian (mabye an old version) on my apple LC2 that i have just found? |
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| 19:16.56 | matrix_architect | tomlukeywood, i don't know if anyone knows what apple LC2 |
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| 19:17.17 | tomlukeywood | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_LC_II |
| 19:17.48 | MrBar | tomlukeywood, u can try https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Status |
| 19:18.28 | MrBar | may be Debian 4.0 «Etch» |
| 19:18.40 | annadane | tomlukeywood, https://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
| 19:18.44 | tomlukeywood | thanks i will try |
| 19:18.49 | annadane | oh, that works too |
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| 19:19.45 | MrBar | 4Mb of RAM it pain |
| 19:19.49 | matrix_architect | it says 4 MB ram |
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| 19:20.18 | hgabor84 | Hello |
| 19:20.21 | tomlukeywood | i have seen old slackware version run on 2MB of ram |
| 19:20.27 | tomlukeywood | mabye debian 1.0 |
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| 19:20.59 | hgabor84 | Does anyone know/use "debsecan"? |
| 19:20.59 | annadane | though i wonder if you're not better off running something like damn small linux or whatever it's called instead of running old, unsupported debian versions |
| 19:21.07 | annadane | ,v debsecan |
| 19:21.09 | judd | Package: debsecan on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.16+nmu1; wheezy-security: 0.4.16+nmu1+deb7u1; jessie: 0.4.17; stretch: 0.4.19~deb9u1; buster: 0.4.19; sid: 0.4.19 |
| 19:21.12 | annadane | !anyone |
| 19:21.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 19:21.16 | annadane | hgabor84, ^ |
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| 19:22.03 | hgabor84 | im new here sorry |
| 19:22.27 | avis- | hello |
| 19:22.43 | avis- | how is everyone ? |
| 19:22.52 | MrBar | hi avis- |
| 19:22.53 | hgabor84 | So my question is -> I installed today Debian 9 Xfce x64 and testing it. Some minutes ago I found debsecan. |
| 19:23.34 | MrBar | hgabor84, cool story bro |
| 19:23.41 | hgabor84 | I run it and it shows me a lots of low/high urgency messages. |
| 19:24.08 | hgabor84 | It is up to date system. |
| 19:24.45 | MrBar | hgabor84, can u post it to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 19:24.51 | hgabor84 | yes |
| 19:24.57 | MrBar | please |
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| 19:26.42 | hgabor84 | https://paste.debian.net/998957/ |
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| 19:27.27 | annadane | it's odd to get that many messages on stable, though i have not used debsecan |
| 19:27.47 | hgabor84 | annadane - could you try now? |
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| 19:28.37 | annadane | i could though i'm running sid |
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| 19:31.17 | hgabor84 | im trying now another computer |
| 19:31.47 | hgabor84 | and I got the same warnings there too |
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| 19:34.21 | matrix_architect | even firefox-esr-l10n-* packages have vulnerability? o.0 |
| 19:34.47 | MrBar | wow |
| 19:34.52 | hgabor84 | I'm not an expert of any vulnerabilities. |
| 19:34.53 | MrBar | totally remotely exploitable |
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| 19:35.16 | matrix_architect | i think it is wrong |
| 19:35.28 | hgabor84 | It is possible these are true warnings? |
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| 19:36.21 | babilen | dpkg: tracker of doom |
| 19:36.22 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 19:36.31 | babilen | hgabor84: Look them up ^^ |
| 19:37.40 | hgabor84 | wow |
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| 19:37.52 | matrix_architect | hgabor84, look at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/imagemagick |
| 19:38.01 | MrBar | look like it true warnings |
| 19:38.05 | matrix_architect | lots of vulnerabilities |
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| 19:39.32 | matrix_architect | look at wheezy column. it says all of them fixed o.0 |
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| 19:40.37 | hgabor84 | too lots |
| 19:40.57 | MrBar | total Heartbleed |
| 19:41.06 | hgabor84 | :/ |
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| 19:41.52 | MrBar | relax not all get working exploits |
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| 19:42.54 | hgabor84 | I used to have Jessie on all of my computers |
| 19:43.10 | hgabor84 | And yesterday started to upgrade |
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| 19:43.31 | hgabor84 | I felt me very safe there |
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| 19:44.16 | MrBar | yeah |
| 19:44.45 | matrix_architect | so we are sitting on a volcano? |
| 19:44.58 | hgabor84 | :D |
| 19:45.14 | MrBar | not really |
| 19:45.54 | MrBar | we are sitting on nuclear bomb |
| 19:46.01 | hgabor84 | lol |
| 19:46.25 | MrBar | yeah |
| 19:46.41 | MrBar | but windows have more working exploits :) |
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| 19:46.53 | MrBar | and it works |
| 19:47.29 | matrix_architect | these days intel ME vulnerabilities are bothering me |
| 19:47.47 | matrix_architect | and there is no bios update yet |
| 19:48.23 | hgabor84 | I tried debsecan on a computer with Jessie too |
| 19:48.32 | hgabor84 | and got many warnings too |
| 19:48.44 | hgabor84 | yes |
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| 19:50.16 | hgabor84 | now I trying config debsecan to send me mails if there is any update for vulnerability |
| 19:51.19 | hgabor84 | is there anyone who use Xfce? |
| 19:51.55 | matrix_architect | used to |
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| 19:53.39 | annadane | hgabor84, xfce and debsecan are likely not related |
| 19:53.45 | annadane | unless that was a general question |
| 19:53.55 | annadane | if you just want to chat, there's #debian-offtopic |
| 19:54.07 | hgabor84 | yes, that was another question |
| 19:54.15 | hgabor84 | not with debsecan |
| 19:54.23 | hgabor84 | sry |
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| 19:57.18 | petn-randall | hgabor84: Note that many of those CVEs are duplicates, since they're listed for every single binary package that have common source packages. But apart from that, imagemagick has always been in a bad state, but that is due to upstream not caring much about exploits. |
| 19:58.01 | hgabor84 | thanks |
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| 19:58.26 | hgabor84 | 2 everyone for answers |
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| 20:00.06 | pandy2 | greeting ALL ! |
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| 20:02.22 | Apteryx | Is gksudo still a thing? |
| 20:04.21 | Apteryx | I'm scripting a workaround for the fact that timidity-daemon won't start at boot on Debian 9. |
| 20:04.59 | Apteryx | and it requires sudo; was wondering if gksudo was more appropriate since I'd like sudo to prompt graphically for the password. |
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| 20:06.39 | petn-randall | Apteryx: Sounds like the wrong solution to a problem, but gksudo would give you a graphical prompt, yes. |
| 20:07.30 | Apteryx | petn-randall: it's not a solution, it's a workaround. |
| 20:07.32 | Apteryx | ;) |
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| 20:08.19 | petn-randall | Apteryx: You can show us the startup problem you have, and we could fix that. |
| 20:08.38 | pandy2 | need help to properly set/fix X server in debian stretch? thank you ! |
| 20:08.50 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 20:08.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:08.52 | petn-randall | pandy2: ^^^ |
| 20:08.54 | Apteryx | OK, yes, I'd prefer to fix the root of the problem as well! Let me show the useful logs. |
| 20:09.24 | petn-randall | Apteryx: Which OS release are you running? |
| 20:09.34 | Apteryx | Debian 9 (stretch) |
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| 20:11.20 | Apteryx | petn-randall: here is the log of timidity-daemon failing to start at boot (only happens at boot): http://paste.debian.net/998962/ |
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| 20:13.49 | Apteryx | The errors are in French, but it says basically: (core-util.c line): Permission not granted, (lock-autospawn.c line): Impossible to gain autonomous lock |
| 20:14.03 | teraflops | Apteryx: write a systemd unit file like suggested here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/timidity#Daemon |
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| 20:14.26 | teraflops | it looks like there's no systemd unit file in debian stretch |
| 20:14.40 | Apteryx | teraflops: indeed, it's an old school init script. |
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| 20:15.08 | Apteryx | teraflops: thanks for suggesting, I'll try it. |
| 20:15.14 | dokma | I've just plugged a GTX 1070 along my GTX 650 into my Debian box. |
| 20:15.26 | dokma | What determines which one is primary? BIOS or OS? |
| 20:15.38 | teraflops | Apteryx: you may want to put it in /etc⦠instead of /lib⦠|
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| 20:15.58 | dokma | They both show up in lspci. |
| 20:16.25 | teraflops | Apteryx: I think you may want to read the whole wiki I pasted above too |
| 20:16.41 | Apteryx | teraflops: I'm reading it, thanks! |
| 20:16.44 | teraflops | no |
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| 20:16.48 | teraflops | np^ |
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| 20:18.04 | mtn | pandy2: not going to explain your problem? |
| 20:18.23 | teraflops | nvm they already suggest putting the unit file in /etc |
| 20:18.24 | dokma | I suspect this is set in BIOS because I don't get any image at all... |
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| 20:22.55 | teraflops | dokma: I think is BIOS, but related to igpu vs all the others |
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| 20:25.22 | petn-randall | dokma: The BIOS usually determines the primary video output. You usually have a setting "Video: internal or PCI/external". |
| 20:26.31 | dokma | teraflops: but my situation is one plugged vs another plugged gpu |
| 20:26.47 | teraflops | yeah |
| 20:27.36 | dokma | I just plugged the monitor into the new one and the display is there |
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| 20:27.51 | Apteryx | teraflops: Do you think I can use Type=notify? I'm not yet well versed in systemd |
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| 20:28.13 | zu22 | i just installed wordpress oh wheezy but there is NO documentation! how do i set it up/configure it? :O |
| 20:28.59 | teraflops | Apteryx: where? |
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| 20:30.09 | Apteryx | I'm comparing the timidity.service of the Arch wiki page linked above with the /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service definition and noticing some differences, such as Type=notify added to sshd.service, and Restart=on-failure, etc. |
| 20:30.29 | Apteryx | If I'm to submit this as a patch to Debian I'm guessing it should match what is considered "standard". |
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| 20:31.47 | teraflops | Apteryx: nope, leave the unit files as it is |
| 20:31.56 | Apteryx | OK. |
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| 20:40.15 | Richard_Cavell | Hi everyone. Dumb question. I'm installing Debian 9.2 and it's giving me an option about which GUI to support. (Gnome/XFCE/KDE/Cinnamon/MATE...) Which one is the standard/default? |
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| 20:40.50 | annadane | Richard_Cavell, default is GNOME |
| 20:40.53 | Unit193 | Pretty sure 'GNOME' is the default, but that doesn't mean you have to use it. |
| 20:41.03 | annadane | Richard_Cavell, so ie if you select "desktop environment" but don't select any others, you'll get GNOME |
| 20:41.46 | Richard_Cavell | Is it possible to include more than one? Do you choose on the login screen or something? |
| 20:41.50 | annadane | Richard_Cavell, yes |
| 20:41.53 | jelly | yes and yes |
| 20:42.11 | jelly | and they can be installed later |
| 20:42.34 | jelly | no need to install three DEs right away |
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| 20:44.07 | teraflops | I wonder what happens if you install 2 DM's while in d-i. which one gets enabled |
| 20:44.38 | teraflops | maybe the latest by installation order? |
| 20:45.42 | jelly | !tias |
| 20:45.43 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:45.46 | somiaj | you can choose the DM in the d-i? I thought you could only choose a DE? |
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| 20:46.23 | teraflops | oh noes :P |
| 20:46.25 | Unit193 | Doesn't GDM only work with GNOME nowdays? So you'd have to use a DM that could load whatever else you get. |
| 20:46.31 | soul-d | why does a mount cifs change the dir ownership to root for one network share and not the other i keep getting premesion denied for one share |
| 20:47.11 | petn-randall | teraflops: IIRC it's defined by update-alternatives which one gets started. |
| 20:47.25 | petn-randall | No idea how the default priorities are, however. |
| 20:47.28 | teraflops | petn-randall: ah |
| 20:47.45 | somiaj | I thought the DM was set by /etc/X11/default-display-manager text file, and not the alternative system, or is both used? |
| 20:48.10 | somiaj | and then all display manager init scripts check that file and only run if they are the one listed there. |
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| 20:48.24 | petn-randall | somiaj: Could be that way, I haven't checked in quite a while. |
| 20:48.24 | teraflops | soul-d: wrong credentials? |
| 20:48.35 | soul-d | no its mounted i can ls the dir as root |
| 20:48.39 | somiaj | petn-randall: I'm mostly basing this off my experience with the nodm factoid. |
| 20:49.37 | somiaj | soul-d: cifs doesn't have standard knowledge of unix permissions and they ahve to be mulated. When you mount a cifs share, you can state the user, group, file mask and directory mask to use when it emulates the unix permisisons on your system. |
| 20:49.54 | teraflops | soul-d: wrong permissions/ownership on the folder or parent folder? |
| 20:49.57 | somiaj | soul-d: root is just default, but you can change this in how you mount the share. |
| 20:50.09 | snhmib | does ownership/permissions of the mount points matter? |
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| 20:50.13 | soul-d | but why does it correctly for one but not the other |
| 20:50.16 | somiaj | snhmib: not really |
| 20:50.45 | somiaj | snhmib: in general when you mount something, the permsisions of the mount will override the permissions on the directory that you are mounting it to. |
| 20:51.14 | somiaj | soul-d: without more info, it would be hard to guess. It could be just how you have your mounts configured. As I said you can configure what the permissions are on cifs mounts. |
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| 20:51.51 | somiaj | also note that the .contents and .packages file are listing different things. |
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| 20:52.31 | somiaj | and realize the live images also contain a copy of the debian isntaller, so a lot of the .udebs are there for the debian installer, and not everything that is needed for the installer will be needed to preview a live enviorment. |
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| 20:53.01 | jelly | if both client and server speak cifs unix extensions (eg. samba and linux mount.cifs), unix ownerships and permissions will work |
| 20:53.15 | soul-d | mmm but why does debian cifs take remote ownership values ? |
| 20:53.21 | soul-d | it never done that before |
| 20:53.54 | somiaj | jelly: ahh I didn't realize samba/cifs was able to translate permisions from a debian host/client. |
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| 20:54.27 | soul-d | ok yeah now its fixed the remote folder was indeed root owned |
| 20:54.45 | somiaj | Is this a newer feature that maybe wasn't present in jessie? |
| 20:54.49 | pandy2 | mnt, problem explanation: during upgrade from jessie to stretch i ad wrong sources list and lost my X server, what do i need to do now ? At tyhe moment i'm in recovery mode, bash console |
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| 20:55.52 | somiaj | pandy2: recovery mode? like you are booted up off a live image/inastller? I would first make the system bootable before working about x |
| 20:56.00 | soul-d | well to be fair i did come from other distribution to so this could have been normal for deb users |
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| 20:57.33 | pandy2 | somiaj, system is booting up but no gui, that's why i'm in recovery mode booted from grub |
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| 20:58.02 | somiaj | pandy2: I would not call that recovery mode. Recovery mode is booting from a cd/usb image. |
| 20:58.14 | somiaj | pandy2: you are just booted up into a console, but your system is running fine besides no xorg? |
| 20:58.40 | somiaj | think of it this way, there are plenty of systems out there that do not have xorg installed, but they do not boot into recovery mode. Just a standard linux console. |
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| 20:59.14 | somiaj | pandy2: anyways, I would do two things. 1) make sure your sources.list is correct, and make sure your upgrade is completed. 2) Install the de of your choice (what de do you want?) |
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| 21:00.29 | pandy2 | somiaj, how do i install de ? i tryed gnomeand kde with package not found message returned |
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| 21:01.09 | somiaj | pandy2: Might be because you need to do my first suggestion. Lets look at your sources.list and make sure you have upgraded your system you still have installed correctly. |
| 21:01.28 | somiaj | pandy2: can you share your sources.list. You can use pastebinit from the console if needed. |
| 21:03.16 | pandy2 | how? it is bash console, my prompt looks like this: root@debian:/# |
| 21:03.40 | k-man | can i somehow get isc dhcpd server to update entries in my local dnsmaq ? |
| 21:04.24 | somiaj | pandy2: install pastebinit, 'apt install pastebinit', then pastebinti /etc/apt/sources.list should be sufficent. |
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| 21:04.39 | somiaj | pandy2: a bash console is actually qutie powerful, you can even run web browsers in it. |
| 21:06.33 | pandy2 | ,somiaj, will do and report back |
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| 21:07.27 | somiaj | pandy2: another option if you have a second machine, is to install ssh, and then just do this over ssh, so the console you are working with is in an enviorment you are more use to |
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| 21:09.57 | pandy2 | somiaj, apt-get install pastebinit returns E:unable to locate package pastebinit |
| 21:10.24 | somiaj | pandy2: lets fix your sources.list |
| 21:10.33 | somiaj | find some way tos hare it at paste.debian.net |
| 21:11.19 | somiaj | pandy2: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:11.33 | somiaj | maybe you have netcat installerd, otehrwise you'll have to find another way to copy it. |
| 21:12.01 | jelly | or curl |
| 21:12.15 | jelly | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 21:15.41 | fasdfd | znf and petn-randall, so basically sudo -i -u someuser sets virtualenv for python and su someuser does not? (I'm following a tutorial for setting up postgres for a python based server https://github.com/PC-Admin/PC-Admin-s-Synapse-Setup-Guide#configure-postgresql-database )? If I have both sudo and su on my system, is there any reason to use su then (sometimes virtualenv is required and su may cause problems, while sudo should never |
| 21:15.41 | fasdfd | cause problems, right?)? |
| 21:16.17 | fasdfd | Can I do what sudo -i -u someuser does with su? |
| 21:16.46 | fasdfd | there's for example this in su --help --preserve-environment do not reset environment variables, and keep the same shell |
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| 21:19.04 | fasdfd | perhaps with 'su -s /bin/bash postgres'? |
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| 21:21.44 | somiaj | fasdfd: su and sudo provide different functionality. Care to clarify what it is you are trying to achive, as in the goal, I missed it. |
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| 21:24.30 | pandy2 | somiaj, host lookup failure |
| 21:24.31 | znf | fasdfd: like somiaj said, they serve different purposes |
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| 21:25.14 | pandy2 | jelly, no curl, install returns problem with security.debian |
| 21:25.31 | znf | sudo offers privileges based on user password, and a higher granularity of permissions |
| 21:25.44 | znf | su is just root access with the root password |
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| 21:25.48 | somiaj | pandy2: you have your system in a fairly broken state, unsure what is the best advise if you aren't able to solve some of the problems. |
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| 21:26.22 | somiaj | well su does give access to non-root users. As root no password needed. As non-root, need password of the user. |
| 21:26.24 | pandy2 | i guess, will have to do fresh install |
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| 21:26.58 | znf | somiaj: huh? You mean the root password? |
| 21:27.03 | somiaj | pandy2: It is fixable, I'm just unsure the best advise to give. So it is a matter of do you want to try to figure out how to fix it, or just reinstall from the start which maybe something you won't need so much help with. |
| 21:27.07 | znf | Unless that changed |
| 21:27.08 | somiaj | znf: no, the password of the user. |
| 21:27.16 | wilbert_ | Think of su as "switch user" and sudo as "switch user then do (and then switch back" |
| 21:27.29 | somiaj | znf: su bob or su - bob, will login as bob, but you need bobs password (unless you are root) |
| 21:27.41 | somiaj | znf: su has done this for as long as I remeber. |
| 21:27.52 | pandy2 | thanks for now |
| 21:27.57 | fasdfd | but if I do sudo -u someuser bash, doesn't that switch user too? |
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| 21:28.06 | pandy2 | appreciate ALL helpers ! |
| 21:28.10 | fasdfd | in the same way as su someuser does |
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| 21:28.28 | znf | fasdfd: ofc it does, but it won't set up the user environment |
| 21:28.38 | somiaj | fasdfd: no, sudo will use the password of teh user that ran sudo, su will use the password of the user. This makes the usecase different. |
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| 21:28.56 | znf | somiaj:? How do you restrict which user has su access? I'm pretty sure you need the root password |
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| 21:29.15 | somiaj | znf: any user can run su. You need the password of the user you want to use it on to do any good though. |
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| 21:29.31 | znf | That's what I said |
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| 21:29.59 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.42 | znf | Yeah, worded it wrong, I was talking in the context of gaining root privileges |
| 21:31.06 | somiaj | I figured, it was more to be informative, not correct. |
| 21:31.14 | jelly | znf: there are no restrictions, if someone knows your password they can su to your account just as easy as they can ssh to your account |
| 21:31.17 | somiaj | I mean not to correct you. |
| 21:31.23 | fasdfd | What 'm trying to do is to login to postgres user to create a database user, create a database and install a package with pip in the virtual env. |
| 21:31.36 | jelly | fasdfd: just use "su - postgres" |
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| 21:31.55 | fasdfd | and pip will run in virtual env? |
| 21:32.12 | jelly | setting up virtualenv is a separate issue |
| 21:32.25 | znf | You don't want a virtual environment as PostgreSQL |
| 21:32.35 | pandy2 | somiaj, i got the problem: sources list |
| 21:33.00 | jelly | fasdfd: user postgres is only to be used for management of PgSQL databases |
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| 21:33.20 | pandy2 | where do i find a good sources list for debian ? |
| 21:33.32 | jelly | pandy2: which debian release are you supposed to be running? |
| 21:33.43 | znf | Literally Google: "Debian sources list generator" |
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| 21:34.11 | jelly | znf: some of those are rather broken |
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| 21:34.19 | fasdfd | What I want to install with pip is postgres python connector psycopg2. Is this also not supposed to be installed as user postgres? |
| 21:34.30 | jelly | fasdfd: no |
| 21:34.46 | pandy2 | jelly, for stretch |
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| 21:35.00 | pandy2 | jelly, kde |
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| 21:35.18 | jelly | fasdfd: you could just install python-psycopg2 or python3-psycopg2 package |
| 21:35.38 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 21:35.38 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:35.39 | znf | fasdfd: you want to install the connector either as the user that will run it (Web app?) or as root to be system wide |
| 21:35.55 | fasdfd | then as the user of the server I'm trying to set up the database for or just root? |
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| 21:36.33 | jelly | fasdfd: use virtualenv and pip as a normal user. Install packages from debian as root. Avoid using pip as root. |
| 21:36.45 | fasdfd | znf, I see, and no security implications coming from the system wide install may ever arise? |
| 21:37.01 | znf | Do what jelly said |
| 21:37.13 | jelly | they will arise. Keep your OS patched. |
| 21:37.42 | fasdfd | but not from this deb package installed system wide? |
| 21:38.45 | znf | As long as you apt update often, you should be good |
| 21:39.07 | fasdfd | ah, that was meant for jelly ad you could just install python-psycopg2 or python3-psycopg2 package |
| 21:39.09 | jelly | fasdfd: there might be security-related bugs in any piece of software, including psycopg2, but Debian strives to deal with those in a timely manner, so... keep your installation patched. |
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| 21:39.46 | fasdfd | I mean things like permissions or some additional settings that package may set (fe. access to some files for more users than just that server user) |
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| 21:40.25 | fasdfd | but that's probably very unlikely |
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| 21:40.52 | jelly | it's a python module, users get read-only access to be able to import it. |
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| 21:42.13 | fasdfd | makes sense, thanks for all the knowledge! |
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| 22:21.58 | fasdfd | I've read that ssh-ing to root is insecure and that the only secure ways to run commands as superuser is ssh-ing to normal user and then doing 'su' or using sudo. I'm guessing it's better to use 'su -' in this case too and pretty much always? |
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| 22:24.52 | oo_miguel | I installed davfs2 and during the configure set I let it set the bit on /sbin/mount.davfs so ordinary users can also mount remote ressources. Is is now set to: -rwsr-xr-x. However running it as non-root user I get an error that my source/target is not defined inside fstab. Running it with the same parameters as root works fine.. |
| 22:24.56 | oo_miguel | What am I missing? |
| 22:25.24 | soul-d | fasdfd, today i learned here there are 2 use cases one sudo i think asks for your user password so you don't have to type root passwords other is login in as the user like root and uses the password you login as |
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| 22:26.03 | soul-d | and some minor diferences that come with that like being in the sudo list and certain rights where the other would be plain root acces |
| 22:27.30 | soul-d | so security wise it would be the one where you use the current user passwords and not the root password i guess |
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| 22:47.25 | znf | fasdfd: "insecure" is a very broad term |
| 22:47.42 | znf | there's nothing "insecure" about logging in as root directly over ssh, not in this act alone |
| 22:47.55 | znf | it's considered "less secure" to allow root to log on via ssh, especially with a password |
| 22:48.45 | znf | because passwords can be brute force or social-engineered, so you would expose your system |
| 22:48.50 | znf | but there's steps to prevent that |
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| 22:49.21 | znf | first of all, don't allow root to log on via ssh with a password, at minimum restrict the root login to public key authentification |
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| 22:50.25 | znf | the rest, it's generally considered a bad practice to log on via root all the time to do management tasks, instead it's recommended to use a normal user and run the tasks that require special privileges (root) via sudo |
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| 22:51.01 | znf | in a multi-user environment this has the advantage of being able to log what administrator did whatever to the system |
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| 22:52.08 | znf | also, it makes you think twice when you run a task that requires you to input your password |
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| 22:53.49 | znf | like, installing some 3rd party tool or running a script that you didn't write - if you are asked for a password when you think you shouldn't be, then something's fishy |
| 22:54.03 | znf | as to, if you weren't asked for a password, the script might run as root and compromise your machine |
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| 22:56.21 | znf | meanwhile, in my userland... I tought these days grub can run without a damn separate /boot partition outside of a raid |
| 22:58.27 | znf | turns out grub fails installing this way :-| |
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| 23:03.10 | znf | oh, right, that disk was gpt |
| 23:03.11 | znf | nevermind |
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| 23:15.13 | pfoo | hi, do someone here have some contact with the team behind deb.debian.org ? One of the ipv6 (2001:67c:2564:a119::148:14) seems to be blacklisted for AS3215 ipv6 ranges :( |
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| 23:27.33 | annadane | pfoo, possibly #debian-www on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:27.43 | annadane | er, sorry |
| 23:27.50 | annadane | #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net, i mean |
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