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| 00:19.40 | rant | does anyone know a solution to trying to repeat a formula in libreoffice calc keeping a var the same? If I put for example =a1+b1 in a cell then =a2+b1 and =a3+b1 in the two cells below it, then try "pull down" it starts counting b2, b3, b4 along with the a4,a5,a6.. instead of realizing thats suppose to stay the same. |
| 00:20.01 | Sveta | rant: use b$1 instead of b1 |
| 00:20.26 | dvs | rant, yeah, use a "$" in front of the part you don't want to change. |
| 00:21.02 | rant | Sveta: dvs ah, thanks ;) |
| 00:21.16 | dvs | np |
| 00:21.54 | Sveta | no worries |
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| 00:26.30 | QwertyChouskie | When will the SuperTuxKart package in Debian be updated to the latest version? |
| 00:28.26 | bazhang | QwertyChouskie, what is the latest |
| 00:28.38 | bazhang | ,v supertuxkart |
| 00:28.40 | judd | Package: supertuxkart on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.3-2+b1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.1-2+b2; jessie-backports: 0.9.2+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; buster: 0.9.2+dfsg-2; sid: 0.9.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 0.9.2+dfsg-2 |
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| 00:32.04 | rant | apparently 0.9.3 released two weeks ago today |
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| 00:32.44 | rant | and from the look of it, the game has come a LONG way since I last seen it probably a decade ago :P |
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| 00:34.24 | rant | QwertyChouskie: you should probably send a ping and forward that question to the debian games team |
| 00:34.25 | QwertyChouskie | and 0.9.3 is a lot better than even 0.9.2 |
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| 00:34.31 | rant | ,maint supertuxkart |
| 00:34.32 | judd | Package supertuxkart version 0.8-1 was uploaded by Vincent Cheng on 2012-12-30, last changed by Vincent Cheng and maintained by Debian Games Team. |
| 00:35.04 | rant | hmm.. thats odd :P |
| 00:35.21 | QwertyChouskie | waaaaaa |
| 00:35.53 | rant | apparently the bot is running jessie or older and doesnt check the latest package data for its "maint" command |
| 00:36.44 | rant | but the email for the debian games team list is pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org if I recall correctly |
| 00:37.39 | rant | or debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org |
| 00:37.53 | rant | I think that my first guess is outdated like judd's info |
| 00:37.54 | rant | :P |
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| 00:38.41 | rant | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-games/ is where you go to subscribe to the mailing list |
| 00:39.14 | QwertyChouskie | OK, thanks! |
| 00:39.48 | rant | yeah, this channel is just for general support of debian stable.. your question is one for the maintainer in this case |
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| 00:41.29 | rant | its only been out a week, but it may be possible they're not aware of it yet.. so.. I'd ping the list and let em know so it can get into sid |
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| 00:41.39 | rant | *two weeks |
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| 01:29.43 | zuzzle | Hey There. Recently sent a Dell Inspiron 3546 back to Dell for repairs: new motherboard, etc. But when I got it back, I could no longer install Debian. Any ideas? |
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| 01:31.49 | dvs | pulls out his crystal ball to see where in the install process it stops at |
| 01:31.52 | xar- | zuzzle: i'd like to help you, but you provided comically little actual usable information |
| 01:32.12 | crn | zuzzle, are you installing from what |
| 01:32.16 | xar- | I'd have to wager it was radiation from a solar flare |
| 01:32.50 | dvs | no, it was a poltergeist |
| 01:33.10 | xar- | nah it's not plugged in |
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| 01:33.35 | xar- | the cute lil switch on the power supply got toggled during shipment |
| 01:33.36 | dvs | don't be silly, solar flares don't have plugs |
| 01:33.42 | zuzzle | I'm installing from a dvd. It stops when after I select the desktop(xfce). |
| 01:34.12 | xar- | it stops and says what? |
| 01:34.22 | zuzzle | Installation failed. |
| 01:34.45 | xar- | did you verify your media to ensure a healthy "burn"? |
| 01:35.47 | zuzzle | I have been using the same disk for the past five months. I've installed it around five times on the same computer with no issues. |
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| 01:36.55 | Pupuser-1 | hEY |
| 01:37.18 | xar- | so all it says is installation failed, did it fail on a certain package? did it toss any messages to the console (stderr)? ctrl+alt+{F1-12}? |
| 01:38.29 | zuzzle | It's a graphical install. Something about... hitting the back button. (Sounds paranoid, but I guess I was wondering if Dell did anything to block the installation.) |
| 01:38.29 | crn | zuzzle, install basic system, no gui, then you can check hardware via dmesg, lspci, lsmod, and so on....... |
| 01:38.41 | xar- | might be a fun experiment to try the other images too, lxde, mate, gnome, etc. |
| 01:39.23 | xar- | zuzzle: if you hit ctrl+alt+f1, Ctrl+alt+f2, etc. you can get access to a shell, often times, it will throw errors there |
| 01:39.57 | xar- | might be worthwhile to monitor during the installation, to see if you get something more... verbose |
| 01:40.30 | zuzzle | The basic system will install. I can install it. I'm just attempting to determine what changed. |
| 01:43.11 | crn | zuzzle, if you have the time, install the basic system, set up apt sources and install piece by piece. |
| 01:44.14 | crn | zuzzle, you could be the last tvm user. |
| 01:44.24 | xar- | s/tvm/jedi/ |
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| 01:45.46 | zuzzle | I can do that. |
| 01:46.23 | xar- | not trying to send this channel into unholy civil war, but I will safe I prefer mate over xfce |
| 01:46.54 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:47.10 | dvs | !start a dm war |
| 01:47.10 | dpkg | kdm rocks! |
| 01:47.26 | xar- | xfce was relevant like 10 years ago in the era of limited hardware resources, but now with all our logical cores and buttloads of RAM and onboard graphics... xfce just seems... like a chapter of history from a world long since forgotten |
| 01:47.31 | bazhang | great topic for #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:48.35 | Pupuser-1 | Yay |
| 01:48.39 | Pupuser-1 | 1003 packages to download |
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| 01:54.30 | xar- | are you in that channel bazhang? fyi, it's very very quiet, not much of a platform for my radical ideas |
| 01:55.37 | bazhang | xar-, this channel is for support, just a suggestion |
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| 02:21.27 | Apteryx | teraflops: I had some more time to test rebooting the Debian 9 machine with the new timidity.service copied from the Arch wiki and it still fails but differently: http://paste.debian.net/998983/ |
| 02:21.31 | Apteryx | Any hints welcome. |
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| 02:29.19 | somiaj | Apteryx: care to share the unit file too |
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| 02:33.50 | Apteryx | somiaj: sure: http://paste.debian.net/998984/. I tried it both as a system and a user service. As a user service it won't even start (even manually passed the boot). As a system service it works as long as the machine is booted already (crashes at bootup). |
| 02:34.06 | Apteryx | I just copied the unit file from the Arch wiki. |
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| 02:35.20 | somiaj | does timidity -iA -Os work as root or your normal user? |
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| 02:35.48 | somiaj | I would first make sure you can run timidity just fine, then worry about the service after. |
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| 02:38.36 | Apteryx | somiaj: I tried both (placed in under /etc/systemd/system - must be run as root there, and /etc/systemd/user, to be run as user with the systemctl --user start timidity) |
| 02:38.49 | somiaj | Apteryx: that is not what I'm suggestion |
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| 02:39.02 | somiaj | I'm suggsting just rinning the command 'timidity -iA -Os' |
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| 02:39.15 | Apteryx | Running timidity as root works just fine; the problem is that it tries starting early at boot and is apparently missing stuff |
| 02:39.34 | Apteryx | OK, will try |
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| 02:46.40 | Apteryx | somiaj: OK, as root it works both as a command line and as a system service; as a user it works only from the command line. |
| 02:50.58 | Apteryx | I wouldn't mind having it run as a system service; the problem is that when the service tries starting at boot it seems to be too early and timidity crashes. |
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| 02:51.20 | somiaj | in that case you can use After=, or some other method to have it run later. |
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| 02:51.23 | Apteryx | If I wait until the system has booted up and run 'systemctl restart timidity' all is good. |
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| 02:52.05 | somiaj | Another option is if you only want this as your user that logs into some graphical enviorment, you could just have it autostart when the user logs into the graphical enviorment |
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| 02:52.38 | somiaj | you can also state the user in the system unit file if you don't want it running as root. |
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| 02:55.10 | slip | What is the best way to prove my new gpg key belongs to me? Have the old and the new one sign each other? This is a new master and sub keys. |
| 02:56.25 | slip | When I made my old master and sub keys they would expire after 5 years. |
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| 02:59.41 | Apteryx | somiaj: that's a good idea. I'll recycle the 'timidity' user that installing the timidity-daemon package created. |
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| 03:00.14 | Apteryx | Now I need to express that this service shouldn't start before alsa is up |
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| 03:04.03 | awal1 | not debian specific but almost about privacy: tor & tor browser blocks adobe flash contents for knowns reasons but not html5. html5 doesn't really track or? |
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| 03:07.09 | petn-randall | awal1: That question doesn't make sense. Why would it want to block the current HTML standard? It's supposed to be a browser ... |
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| 03:08.34 | pandy2 | greetings ALL |
| 03:08.59 | benfitzpatrick | hi guys im a noob to Debian and have NO idea what im doing, i used etcher to copy the 9.2.1 ISO to my usb stick and i have NO access to ethernet at all. i have no ethernet cable, etc. i can only install through wifi, and my laptop (only PC) has broadcom wifi and i have the firmware on a seperate USB stick but i cant get it to pick up the 2nd usb in the debian installer, idk what to do.. |
| 03:09.27 | benfitzpatrick | i googled my rear-end off trying to fix it, i cant find an answer, im stumped |
| 03:09.52 | petn-randall | !firmware installer |
| 03:09.52 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 03:09.59 | pandy2 | new debian user here. fresh install of stretch xfce, what shall i do next to keep my system running well? |
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| 03:11.19 | benfitzpatrick | pandy2: i am a new user too, so idk man sorry |
| 03:11.19 | petn-randall | benfitzpatrick: First hint, use the installer above, it comes with any firmware needed to operate most common network devices. Second, don't use etcher (or unetbootin, or anything else), just use "cp" to copy the image onto the block device. All those tools mangle the iso in cruel ways that cause weird bugs. |
| 03:11.21 | awal1 | petn-randall, logical :) right, adobe flash was an extra plugin using persistent cookies and so. nvm :P |
| 03:11.50 | benfitzpatrick | petn-randall: idk how to do that, i never did Linux before man |
| 03:12.10 | benfitzpatrick | no joke i am new new |
| 03:12.42 | petn-randall | pandy2: Sounds like you're problem-free, that's good! Just make sure to apply (security-)updates regularly, and you'll be fine. |
| 03:13.14 | benfitzpatrick | i never copied a USB stick in the terminal so i have NO clue how to do it |
| 03:13.21 | benfitzpatrick | im on MacOS rn |
| 03:13.30 | benfitzpatrick | a friends laptop that is |
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| 03:14.19 | awal1 | use the mac's equivalent of 'cp' (copy) to copy that firmware image to your usb stick |
| 03:14.29 | benfitzpatrick | i dunno how to do that awall |
| 03:14.48 | petn-randall | benfitzpatrick: I recommend spending some time reading the release notes and the Debian handbook then. |
| 03:14.53 | petn-randall | !release notes |
| 03:14.53 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 03:14.59 | petn-randall | !debian handbook |
| 03:14.59 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 03:15.19 | awal1 | in ther terminal or use a graphical software and burn it there; maybe you can just use mac's file manager and copy |
| 03:15.35 | benfitzpatrick | -sighs- im shocked that is my answer, i was told the Linux community is helpful to new users, and helps them do stuff, but i guess i was wrong.. |
| 03:17.29 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, they just gave you multiple links to check |
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| 03:17.42 | awal1 | it smells to troll :P |
| 03:18.00 | benfitzpatrick | im sorry guys, i have a learning disability, so that does not help me |
| 03:18.13 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, there is a mac utility to do that |
| 03:18.32 | benfitzpatrick | im sorry but unless someone tells me "how" to do this, i wont be helped |
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| 03:18.44 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, a disability to read links? |
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| 03:18.50 | benfitzpatrick | sadly yes |
| 03:18.56 | benfitzpatrick | my reading skill is crap |
| 03:19.17 | petn-randall | How are you reading on IRC then? |
| 03:19.22 | benfitzpatrick | my friend is reading it to me |
| 03:19.26 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, you would need to read what we write here |
| 03:19.35 | dellhell | ugh i cant install broadcom firmware on testing for some reason "E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer |
| 03:19.35 | dellhell | " what stupid thing am i doing wrong? |
| 03:19.35 | benfitzpatrick | my friend is reading me it |
| 03:19.46 | benfitzpatrick | and he doesnt know linux either |
| 03:19.48 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 03:19.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:19.50 | petn-randall | dellhell: ^^^ |
| 03:19.53 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, please put the friend on |
| 03:20.07 | dellhell | mb |
| 03:20.28 | dellhell | jeez all the way on oftc |
| 03:20.38 | awal1 | dellhell, non-free component in apt's sources missing maybe? |
| 03:20.58 | dellhell | nah contrib and non-free are there |
| 03:21.01 | benfitzpatrick | he is reading it for me via remote, and telling me what to type, he cant physically type to you all |
| 03:21.39 | pandy2 | <petn-randall>, i need to install few more things and also edit sources list, how do i do that? |
| 03:21.42 | awal1 | aptitude search for check if available or rmadisondellhell |
| 03:21.58 | awal1 | ,v firmware-b43-installer |
| 03:21.59 | judd | Package: firmware-b43-installer on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1; jessie/contrib: 1:019-2; sid/contrib: 1:019-3; stretch/contrib: 1:019-3 |
| 03:22.00 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, if we copy and pasted the entirety of the links, someone would have to read |
| 03:22.03 | pandy2 | <petn-randall>how do i open nano as root ? |
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| 03:22.13 | petn-randall | pandy2: What do you need to add sources for? |
| 03:22.18 | benfitzpatrick | well, he is reading it for me on teamviewer like i said |
| 03:22.29 | benfitzpatrick | so he cannot type back, only I can |
| 03:22.48 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, so give him the links, he can read them, no need to ask us |
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| 03:23.03 | benfitzpatrick | well he did read them, he is just as confused |
| 03:23.13 | dellhell | i get nothing with apt search either wtf |
| 03:23.38 | awal1 | dellhell, testing or unstable? |
| 03:23.38 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, so if we typed all the word for from the links , could someone read that |
| 03:23.42 | dellhell | testing |
| 03:23.48 | benfitzpatrick | bazhang: yes |
| 03:23.52 | petn-randall | benfitzpatrick: Then IRC might not be the best way to install Debian, as a lot of reading is required. Either get a device to read things despite your disability, or go to a Linux User Group in your town and get help there. They're usually a nice crowd. :) |
| 03:24.04 | awal1 | not in testing, you haven't seen judd ? |
| 03:24.12 | awal1 | bot answer |
| 03:24.20 | awal1 | ,v firmware-b43-installer |
| 03:24.21 | judd | Package: firmware-b43-installer on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1; jessie/contrib: 1:019-2; sid/contrib: 1:019-3; stretch/contrib: 1:019-3 |
| 03:24.23 | bazhang | benfitzpatrick, I doubt that will happen, you should contact a linux users group or debian loco |
| 03:24.24 | awal1 | ^ |
| 03:24.27 | pandy2 | <petn-randall> ineed to add non-free contributions |
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| 03:24.40 | dellhell | oh i'm blind - why wouldnt it be in testing? |
| 03:24.50 | awal1 | check pts |
| 03:24.55 | awal1 | maybe removed |
| 03:25.03 | dellhell | its ancient firmware :) |
| 03:25.09 | benfitzpatrick | i might have to petn-randall, but in louisville kentucky there's a open source users group, and none of them there use debian, so im not sure what to do |
| 03:25.14 | dellhell | ill pull from unstable - much thanks |
| 03:25.22 | petn-randall | !non-free sources |
| 03:25.22 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 03:25.26 | petn-randall | pandy2: ^^^ |
| 03:25.28 | benfitzpatrick | and that's where i live |
| 03:26.00 | awal1 | dellhell, https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/b43-fwcutter/news/20170626T043915Z.html |
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| 03:27.30 | dellhell | so it was pulled immediately after stretch came out and hasnt made it back in for half a year, odd |
| 03:28.03 | pandy2 | dpkg, thanks, first i will install only from debian repositories |
| 03:28.03 | dpkg | no problem, pandy2 |
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| 03:29.33 | pandy2 | dpkg, i also would like try different de, i'm used to kde as i used it with another distro |
| 03:29.33 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, pandy2 |
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| 03:30.06 | dellhell | cant pull it from sid with a pin either :< |
| 03:30.18 | petn-randall | pandy2: dpkg is a bot. You can "/msg dpkg" and then ask it about factoids. |
| 03:30.30 | pandy2 | what means"unparseable request" please explain. thank you |
| 03:30.33 | jaime_miro | Can I do debian packaging on Linux Mint? |
| 03:31.11 | petn-randall | jaime_miro: If you want to package *for* Debian, I'd recommend that you run it at least somewhere. |
| 03:31.22 | dellhell | ill trek to oftc |
| 03:31.50 | pandy2 | petn-randall> you see, i'm a n00b in addition 75 old, still learning lol |
| 03:31.52 | jaime_miro | petn-randall: okay |
| 03:32.23 | awal1 | jaime_miro, #debian-mentors is better for you |
| 03:32.43 | awal1 | you have been here yesterday already |
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| 03:33.25 | somiaj | #packaging on irc.oftc.net would probably be better for non debian specific packaging questions |
| 03:33.26 | jaime_miro | Yes, I've been kicked from debian mentors.. |
| 03:36.58 | pandy2 | question: how do i open root terminal ? what is the name of one ? |
| 03:37.34 | DerLGm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:38.36 | pandy2 | <DerLGm> coz with su i have to also type my name, too much typing for old man, too many mistakes |
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| 03:40.45 | pandy2 | <DerLGm> su apt-get install package name does not work for me |
| 03:41.17 | somiaj | pandy2: there are various ways go about this. But I think you are wanting sudo, not su |
| 03:41.23 | somiaj | sudo apt install package will install it |
| 03:41.34 | somiaj | (provided you are in the sudo group or you make your own sudoers file) |
| 03:41.43 | DerLGm | pandy2: su root (enter) |
| 03:41.53 | pandy2 | Question: is it better to use apt-get install or use synaptic ? |
| 03:42.38 | DerLGm | I like apt |
| 03:42.47 | DerLGm | But I'm told syn is better |
| 03:43.27 | somiaj | !better |
| 03:43.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:43.53 | somiaj | pandy2: in the past synaptic sometimes didn't play as nicely with the apt cache, but I think that has changed. |
| 03:44.03 | somiaj | so I don't think it really matters. |
| 03:44.17 | pandy2 | andrzej@debian:~$ sudo |
| 03:44.17 | pandy2 | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 03:44.38 | ryouma | foo>bar, in c locale |
| 03:45.00 | somiaj | pandy2: install it, then add yourself to the sudo group, then logout/back int |
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| 03:45.06 | somiaj | pandy2: apt install sudo |
| 03:45.21 | somiaj | pandy2: you can become root with 'su', then enter in roots password, then all commands you type will be as root. |
| 03:45.46 | pandy2 | is sudo safer ? |
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| 03:46.19 | ryouma | i'd suggest su - |
| 03:46.22 | ryouma | over su |
| 03:47.15 | somiaj | pandy2: they are different tools. I like sudo becvause I only rarely issue single commands as root. But su is nice when you have multiple things to do |
| 03:47.27 | pandy2 | <ryouma> what is the difference please? thank you |
| 03:47.43 | ryouma | pandy2: su is really only for unusual circumstances |
| 03:48.00 | somiaj | pandy2: su -, will do a full login as root, giving a full root enviroment. |
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| 03:48.23 | somiaj | pandy2: su, will only do a partial change of the enviroment, preserving a lot of your current users enviroment, which may cause things to work differently |
| 03:48.32 | pandy2 | if i install with sudo, will other user be able to use installed applications? |
| 03:48.41 | ryouma | yes |
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| 03:51.37 | pandy2 | somiaj, please tell what is full root environment? how much it is needed vs just root ? thank you |
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| 03:55.20 | somiaj | pandy2: your shell has a enviroment (set of variables set). su just tries to preserve what it can of the current users enviorment. YOu can read more about this by looking into shells or bash |
| 03:56.43 | ryouma | pandy2: when you install with su or sudo, you are the administrator of the system |
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| 04:07.57 | pandy2 | Good night HELPERS ! Thank you & see ya soon ;-) |
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| 05:05.20 | cr1t1cal | what does 'unpacking' mean during an apt install? |
| 05:05.40 | nkuttler | packages are compressed |
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| 05:07.45 | nkuttler | cr1t1cal: to be more specific, ar archives that contain compressed data, so unpacking has multiple steps |
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| 05:09.38 | cr1t1cal | nkuttler: does it include installing? |
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| 05:11.45 | nkuttler | cr1t1cal: no |
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| 05:12.56 | monoxane | hi |
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| 05:14.00 | cr1t1cal | nkuttler: then what is installing? |
| 05:14.20 | cr1t1cal | also |
| 05:14.27 | cr1t1cal | what is the difference between removing and purging |
| 05:14.39 | monoxane | ive got some really really weird issues with my debian 9 VM, TL;DR networking is fucked. the interface gets the correct address and netmask and i can get 2 pings in then networking effectively locks up with no signs of whats going on at all, no connections or pings from external hosts, no connecitng to or pining other hosts either, total blackhole |
| 05:15.11 | monoxane | ive tried disabling every single thing that uses the network (docker, vpn server, ssh, eth) and disabled the firewall and no luck |
| 05:15.42 | monoxane | *ssh, etc |
| 05:16.15 | monoxane | bringing the interface down and up again gives me about 1 second of connectivity where a few pings get replies but then it promptly dies again |
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| 05:18.35 | Tramp | monoxane: what do you try to ping? |
| 05:20.52 | monoxane | from another server (in another country): the VM in question. from the vm: 8.8.8.8, the other server, 94.125.182.252 (a freenode host) and a few more |
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| 05:21.27 | nkuttler | cr1t1cal: see man dpkg, ACTIONS section |
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| 05:22.16 | Tramp | monoxane: can you (1) ping localhost (and/or 127.0.0.1) (2) the interface itsel? |
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| 05:22.29 | Tramp | monoxane: can you (1) ping localhost (and/or 127.0.0.1) (2) the interface itsel? |
| 05:22.31 | monoxane | oops middle clicked |
| 05:23.29 | monoxane | Tramp, yes and yes |
| 05:24.07 | Tramp | monoxane: (3) can you ping the default-gw? |
| 05:24.30 | monoxane | sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt |
| 05:24.48 | monoxane | and the gateway is fine (checked from another server on the same gateway) |
| 05:25.13 | Tramp | monoxane: what does "ip neigh" show for the default-gw |
| 05:26.18 | Tramp | monoxane: and, if you have another server on the same network, what does "ip neigh" show on this other server for the failing server? |
| 05:26.39 | monoxane | <the correct gateway ip> dev ens192 lladdr <mac that i cbf typing> STALE |
| 05:28.03 | Tramp | monoxane: repeat "ip neigh" immediately after attempting a ping and check, if "STALE" changes to "REACHABLE" |
| 05:28.22 | monoxane | yes it does |
| 05:28.34 | monoxane | but no pings still |
| 05:28.45 | Tramp | monoxane: ok. and for my 2nd question? |
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| 05:29.15 | monoxane | im waiting for someone who has a server ont he gateway to reply, ive only got access to mine |
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| 05:30.21 | Tramp | monoxane: in general - weird behaviour like this may be related to duplicate IPs on the network. |
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| 05:31.46 | monoxane | im 100% sure theres no dupes, its a /27 with 8 servers |
| 05:31.51 | Tramp | monoxane: so the other server may show a different MAC for "your" IP. Then again, it may not (beause it's timing-issue which of 2 IPs replies first for an ARP request) |
| 05:32.31 | monoxane | ill try and change the IP to something else int eh range though |
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| 05:33.28 | cr1t1cal | is there a program that I acts as a queue of installation commands |
| 05:33.53 | cr1t1cal | and it executes installation commands by fetching from the top of the queue |
| 05:33.57 | Tramp | monoxane: next I'd try tcpdump with "icmp or arp" while pinging, ideally from different servers |
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| 05:38.10 | monoxane | the internet says it might be a duplicate MAC (because it is a VM) |
| 05:38.37 | nkuttler | cr1t1cal: that doesn't seem to make much sense. there are dependencies, you specifying an order would break that |
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| 05:39.15 | nkuttler | cr1t1cal: if you want a specific order you'll have to use something else than a package manager |
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| 05:40.28 | Tramp | monoxane: sure. even worse then |
| 05:40.37 | monoxane | mhm |
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| 05:41.19 | monoxane | itd be nice if amerca wasnt asleep right now so i could get stuff done on the host >_> |
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| 05:44.09 | monoxane | im gonna download the entire VM and test it locally with different IPs and MACs |
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| 05:45.02 | Tramp | monoxane: stuff like that may happen when cloning stuff naively |
| 05:45.14 | monoxane | well in that case |
| 05:45.25 | monoxane | it has been moved from proxmox to vsphere before |
| 05:45.40 | monoxane | but the problems started happening about 2 hours ago and out of the blue |
| 05:45.48 | monoxane | it just went dark suddenly |
| 05:46.07 | Tramp | hmm - as I said - next debugging step for me would be with tcpdump |
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| 06:13.30 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 06:17.32 | DerLGm | raynold: wonderful day to be a Linux user |
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| 06:19.32 | awal1 | DerLGm, are you just using linux kernel alone? |
| 06:20.01 | awal1 | linux is just a kernel. you are using GNU/Linux |
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| 06:20.41 | awal1 | Debian GNU/Linux :) |
| 06:20.44 | kopper | Herpderp |
| 06:21.01 | awal1 | one have to specify :) |
| 06:21.05 | n4dir | smells a rising flamewar, greps for the pitchfork ... |
| 06:21.33 | awal1 | specify bcoz Ubuntu GNU/Linux is not Debian GNU/Linux |
| 06:21.42 | awal1 | :P |
| 06:21.59 | n4dir | give it a few years, and you will be a "systemd user" |
| 06:22.20 | awal1 | seems |
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| 06:26.28 | awal1 | mate-themes upstream and debian team are doing a great job. 'blue menta' theme is just perfect and works smothly and nicely with gtk2/3 and qt :) |
| 06:27.45 | awal1 | clearlooks-phenix-theme also :) |
| 06:28.01 | awal1 | all others are broken somewhere :P |
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| 06:28.24 | awal1 | adwaita and breeze included |
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| 06:28.56 | awal1 | unstable versions are even more polished |
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| 06:29.46 | awal1 | more polished than mac ones |
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| 06:52.09 | whodat | hi |
| 06:52.30 | whodat | why does systemd seem painful |
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| 06:54.45 | whodat | I got use to init.d and the run levels. I understand pessimistic blocking. systemd just seemed to add a lzyer of wtf |
| 06:55.26 | monoxane | ugh i cant even tcpdump because i have no connection :| |
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| 06:57.21 | whodat | usually it comes down to do you have a dhclient |
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| 06:57.45 | whodat | do you have a dns server |
| 06:58.19 | n4dir | whodat: the wiki.debian.org site about systemd will tell you why it is so awesome, and also how to use sysv instead, iirc. |
| 06:58.36 | n4dir | !systemd |
| 06:58.36 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 06:58.54 | whodat | tx n4dir |
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| 07:00.32 | n4dir | whodat: if that page doesn't explain it to you in detail: it sure is possible. if you search the web you will quickly find the how-to (the bot of this channel has the info too, but i forgot how to ask for it) |
| 07:00.51 | whodat | yeah usually I fight with its pessimistic blocking and then turn it off. I realise it is benefit to security |
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| 07:03.56 | whodat | Cheers I will check thelinks you provide |
| 07:05.15 | whodat | I use bash and sometimes dash. Is there any other shells you think are useful? |
| 07:06.01 | nkuttler | whodat: zsh is popular |
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| 07:09.23 | whodat | tx I will check it out |
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| 07:28.00 | dioxane | WOOT IT FINALLY WORK FUCK |
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| 07:35.37 | awal1 | now a bit more confused with interfaces systemd naming |
| 07:38.12 | evilman_work | awal1: it's simple. read this https://major.io/2015/08/21/understanding-systemds-predictable-network-device-names/ |
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| 07:43.38 | awal1 | evilman_work, I know not complicated but I don't understand if necessary. we may have to learn newly everything, 'cp, mv, rm...' included |
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| 07:49.20 | iflema | micro kernel |
| 07:49.51 | azarus | I think that article's title is wrong, evilman_work ? |
| 07:50.02 | azarus | Isn't it udev doing the device naming? |
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| 07:50.12 | evilman_work | awal1: the predictable interface names is common practice in the network equipment. |
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| 07:50.54 | evilman_work | the udev is a part of systemd. |
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| 07:51.18 | Zarulyakuza | System? |
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| 07:51.48 | evilman_work | and this feature has been introduced under systemd initiative. |
| 07:52.38 | awal1 | i see ya |
| 07:52.41 | azarus | I Ah yup, you're right. |
| 07:52.44 | Zarulyakuza | Oic... |
| 07:52.57 | Zarulyakuza | Link? |
| 07:52.59 | azarus | I was using eudev, that's why I wasn't sure if it was part of systemd :p |
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| 07:55.13 | Zarulyakuza | unclear if n. Korean crisis will lead to tipping point. |
| 07:56.10 | awal1 | azarus, eudev is just a fork of udev (gentoo) and variants |
| 07:56.21 | azarus | I know, that's why I was confused :p |
| 07:56.28 | azarus | Sorry for bothering. |
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| 07:59.06 | totss | Hye guys |
| 07:59.46 | totss | May I know how to test port that open by demand |
| 07:59.58 | totss | Using nc |
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| 08:06.37 | totss | May I know how to bind port to test connection |
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| 08:17.07 | fiet | totss: What do you want to test? Test wether a port is open on your system and reachable from the internet? |
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| 08:21.43 | totss | Feet : to test open port. Yes, test from host<->client |
| 08:21.51 | totss | Fiet* |
| 08:21.59 | darxmurf | telnet <ip> <port> |
| 08:22.21 | totss | I use ncat in windows |
| 08:22.55 | totss | Should be like this nc - lvp 192.168.1.1 22 |
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| 08:23.02 | totss | Is it right? |
| 08:23.40 | fiet | If you want to test your local port, try this: |
| 08:23.44 | totss | And test from client nc - vz 192.168.1.1 2 22 |
| 08:23.46 | fiet | date | nc -l 3333 |
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| 08:23.52 | fiet | Or any port that is reachable |
| 08:24.00 | fiet | And then telnet to it from someplace else |
| 08:24.18 | fiet | You'll get the current time and date as a response |
| 08:24.43 | totss | Yea. -l for listen right? |
| 08:24.48 | fiet | yes |
| 08:25.06 | fiet | If you're not root, you'll want a port above 1024 |
| 08:25.25 | fiet | Assuming you want to test tcp |
| 08:25.43 | totss | My situation like this. I can't find my port either open or not |
| 08:25.56 | totss | So I need to bind it first |
| 08:25.59 | fiet | Are you on linux? |
| 08:26.12 | totss | Host windows. Client linux |
| 08:27.09 | totss | So I need to bind it 1st on Windows to test it from linux |
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| 08:27.30 | fiet | Ah, so this is more a windows question. |
| 08:27.46 | fiet | You might want to check if your firewall is on |
| 08:27.53 | fiet | If so, disable it. |
| 08:27.56 | fiet | Then test it |
| 08:27.59 | fiet | Then fdisk |
| 08:28.05 | totss | Already disable |
| 08:28.07 | fiet | Then install linux and you're good. |
| 08:28.20 | totss | Just want to verify the command to bind the port |
| 08:28.21 | lufeng | loooool |
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| 08:28.48 | fiet | Can't really help you with windows on this. I guess you're in the wrong channel for this |
| 08:29.03 | totss | Actually it is Linux command |
| 08:29.09 | totss | Nope |
| 08:29.18 | fiet | For the client part, all you need to know is: "telnet <your host> <your port>" |
| 08:29.20 | totss | I use nc in window |
| 08:29.22 | fiet | Works on any OS. |
| 08:29.31 | totss | Yeah I know |
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| 08:30.09 | fiet | But your problem is that a port is not listening in windows, so #debian might not be the right place to ask. |
| 08:30.09 | DK2 | can you sync a mdraid sata to SDD ? |
| 08:30.26 | DK2 | i want to replace the SATA set with sdds... i would fail one and replace it with a sdd |
| 08:32.11 | fiet | What you can check is do nc -l <your port> and check with netstat if it is actually listening |
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| 08:33.22 | Ticho | DK2: mdraid doesn't care about what type your block device is, so yes, you can |
| 08:33.38 | DK2 | but i prolly need the same size for the array to rebuild, correct? |
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| 08:34.37 | azarus | What kind of RAID is it, DK2? |
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| 08:34.53 | DK2 | raid 1 |
| 08:35.00 | DK2 | with two disks 1 TB |
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| 08:35.20 | azarus | Then your new medium needs to be at least 1 TB or larger |
| 08:35.42 | azarus | Or you can just transfer the files, go one step higher |
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| 08:39.14 | hhes | how can I change mount propagation of /run from, the default, shared to private permanently? |
| 08:39.16 | DK2 | ill just go the easy way and add a 1TB sdd |
| 08:39.19 | DK2 | ssd* |
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| 09:41.02 | TacticReplicatio | hi all |
| 09:41.16 | bazhang | hi |
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| 09:41.40 | TacticReplicatio | do you know how to "merge" an mkv file with an srt file on debian? I saw plenty of people doing it with ffmeg, but I have a doubt |
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| 09:42.02 | TacticReplicatio | I'm affraid that it will "write" the subtitles on the video |
| 09:42.25 | ivan | TacticReplicatio: mkvmerge |
| 09:42.30 | TacticReplicatio | I just need to add the srt file to the mkv, in order to delete the srt from the directory |
| 09:42.48 | TacticReplicatio | ivan: I'll give a look right now |
| 09:43.23 | ivan | it's in mkvtoolnix I think |
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| 10:24.53 | ws2k3 | hi, my jessie machine wont reboot. Failed to start reboot.target: Connection timed out what can i do? |
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| 10:27.01 | gpunk | have you done any action on the system before rebooting ? |
| 10:27.20 | ws2k3 | gpunk no. but my disk is read only |
| 10:27.26 | bmixed[m] | Is there a room for parrotsec? |
| 10:27.29 | ws2k3 | i just wanne force reboot it |
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| 10:28.21 | gpunk | ws2k3: the system wont work properly with a RO disk |
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| 10:28.35 | ws2k3 | gpunk i know :P thats why i wanne reboot it |
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| 10:29.04 | gpunk | do you have a command prompt ? |
| 10:29.11 | ws2k3 | gpunk yes i do |
| 10:29.23 | gpunk | ok we gonna remount / in RW ok ? |
| 10:29.39 | ws2k3 | gpunk ur sure thats a good idea? cause i think its a file system issue |
| 10:29.46 | Tarrasquero | ws2k3: systemctl reboot > user |
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| 10:30.51 | gpunk | what else you wanna do ? then |
| 10:31.09 | ws2k3 | gpunk well on wheezy i could just do reboot and that worked |
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| 10:31.16 | gpunk | you think there gonna be a magic command ? |
| 10:31.28 | ws2k3 | gpunk no i dont think so :P |
| 10:31.35 | gpunk | then do a reboot , arent you stuck at ti ? |
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| 10:31.50 | ws2k3 | ti? no im logged in with ssh |
| 10:31.58 | gpunk | it* |
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| 10:32.39 | ws2k3 | guess i have to remount then since systemctl reboot also is not working |
| 10:33.07 | gpunk | ... |
| 10:33.24 | ws2k3 | what commando do i have to run to remount? as rw |
| 10:33.48 | gpunk | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:34.15 | ws2k3 | mount: cannot remount /dev/sda1 read-write, is write-protected |
| 10:34.38 | gpunk | what kind of disk is it ? |
| 10:35.10 | ws2k3 | sata WDC WD1500HLFS-01G6U0 nothing special |
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| 10:37.42 | gpunk | can you post a "dmesg" ? |
| 10:38.28 | ws2k3 | gpunk https://pastebin.com/yDpUxhaC |
| 10:39.56 | gpunk | your FS is messed up, the system put the disk on RO on purpose |
| 10:40.20 | gpunk | there is no way to bypass it ... you need an electrical poweroff/on |
| 10:40.43 | ws2k3 | lol. nice... in wheezy this worked just fine |
| 10:40.54 | gpunk | what this ? |
| 10:41.10 | ws2k3 | just run reboot and then it rebooted even in an read only state |
| 10:41.31 | gpunk | things change, things get different |
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| 10:59.23 | no_gravity | Hello! I bought a new wifi usb stick but when I plug it in, nothing happens. What can I do? |
| 10:59.53 | gpunk | can you post your dmesg ? |
| 10:59.58 | azarus | no_gravity: Upon plugging the usb in, does dmesg say something= |
| 10:59.59 | azarus | ?* |
| 11:00.13 | gpunk | it should |
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| 11:03.31 | no_gravity | azarus: Yes, it says something. |
| 11:03.52 | azarus | no_gravity: Can we see it? :-) |
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| 11:07.27 | han-solo | i have a 64bit intel i3 system |
| 11:07.34 | han-solo | which debian iso shall i choose? |
| 11:07.39 | han-solo | CD/DVD? |
| 11:07.45 | azarus | netinst is fine |
| 11:08.14 | no_gravity | azarus: I never paste my system internals to the web. But if you have a specific question, I can answer it. |
| 11:08.42 | azarus | no_gravity: Oof, helping you will be hard that way, sorry. |
| 11:09.15 | gpunk | perso. without your "dmesg" i wont help |
| 11:10.17 | no_gravity | I will try to restart the machine. Maybe it recognises it on bootup. |
| 11:10.25 | gpunk | lol |
| 11:10.42 | azarus | dmesg contains no personal information whatsoever |
| 11:10.50 | azarus | but do what you think is right |
| 11:10.58 | no_gravity | azarus: You might know that. But I don't. |
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| 11:11.06 | azarus | no_gravity: ?? |
| 11:11.14 | bazhang | nor does the eight character code we would need |
| 11:11.19 | azarus | Well now you do, so post it? |
| 11:11.23 | bazhang | so that's silly |
| 11:11.36 | han-solo | azarus: boot from usb |
| 11:11.37 | no_gravity | azarus: I know because someone on irc said so? |
| 11:12.03 | bazhang | no_gravity, asking for such basic issue goes hand in hand with troubleshooting |
| 11:12.26 | snhmib | stop trolling and take 5 minutes to read through dmesg to verify what he said you fucking flapdick |
| 11:12.39 | bazhang | all we need is the 8 character code from lsusb |
| 11:12.46 | no_gravity | bazhang: I am fine with answering specific questions. But not with pasting data. |
| 11:12.56 | bazhang | snhmib, please no such language here |
| 11:13.04 | azarus | no_gravity: you're posting data by writing this |
| 11:13.06 | themill | snhmib: please make sure that we can agree with your sentiment as well as the way you express it. THanks. |
| 11:13.42 | snhmib | err i'll be more diplomatic in the future |
| 11:14.00 | bazhang | no_gravity, lsusb in the terminal, give us the 8 character code you see htere, thats it |
| 11:14.00 | no_gravity | Shouldn't debian at least say something like "Found a device but need a driver"? The complete silence is maddening. |
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| 11:14.17 | themill | no_gravity: you've been told how to get the information. |
| 11:14.27 | han-solo | even there's nothing on dmesg, then it could be broken :} |
| 11:14.29 | no_gravity | bazhang: But of which device? lsusb seems to not list the wifi stick. |
| 11:14.46 | no_gravity | han-solo: dmesg shows a bunch of stuff when i insert the stick. |
| 11:14.59 | themill | how about sharing that |
| 11:15.00 | azarus | no_gravity: "a bunch of stuff" |
| 11:15.05 | azarus | great help |
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| 11:15.16 | han-solo | no_gravity: paste that, no harm will be done |
| 11:15.29 | no_gravity | han-solo: I don't paste data to the web. |
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| 11:15.33 | han-solo | bha |
| 11:15.37 | gpunk | no_gravity: get lost |
| 11:15.42 | themill | no_gravity: do have fun working it out yourself then |
| 11:15.52 | han-solo | would it make you feel any better i i showed dmesg slice when i insert my usb too? |
| 11:15.59 | no_gravity | As for "no personal data", for example I *do* see a serrial number in the dmesg output. |
| 11:16.02 | themill | no_gravity: people aren't going to guess the problem as well as the solution |
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| 11:16.10 | azarus | OH MY GOD A SERIAL NUMBER??!! |
| 11:16.17 | soul-d | wanna bet he is going to copy paste all of the error msg and system info in the google search bar :') |
| 11:16.19 | azarus | I can find your house with that |
| 11:16.24 | han-solo | :} |
| 11:16.27 | themill | no_gravity: feel free to let me know if you actually want help |
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| 11:17.09 | wingman2 | no_gravity: I'm just joining in to say you're being difficult |
| 11:17.44 | azarus | Okay guys, I think we can let up |
| 11:17.51 | soul-d | but he is right dmesg is evil *Kill* ... * sacrifice child* what would people think if you paste that to web |
| 11:18.06 | han-solo | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 11:18.16 | han-solo | the kde from the hybrid will work fine, right? |
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| 11:18.33 | themill | han-solo: if you want to install, use the installer not a live image |
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| 11:18.54 | han-solo | i just want to make it bootable from usb |
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| 11:19.15 | han-solo | fresh install |
| 11:19.27 | themill | so you want the installer |
| 11:19.31 | han-solo | currently dying with centos |
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| 11:21.15 | azarus | han-solo: this will be fine for you: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:21.20 | soul-d | han-solo, if you realy want to from live installl pick the one with your desktop i used the xfce live version though you still need to start a seperate installer on the boot menu when you actualy want to install it though but at least you can test the system out and have a live cd as backup |
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| 11:22.07 | han-solo | hmm |
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| 12:10.37 | squeeb | Hi, I'm trying to preseed an installation via PXE boot, the server in question has the Intel X710 Quad port 10GigE adapter, it looks as though the i40e driver takes a while to initialise the interfaces, thus I end up with only 3 interfaces rather than four in the installer |
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| 12:11.19 | squeeb | if I rmmod i40e and modprobe i40e again while in the installer, the driver will load all 4 interfaces.. it feels like a race condition, is there a way to "pause" the pxe installer so the NIC card has time to boot before the i40e module is loaded? |
| 12:12.03 | squeeb | This is in Debian 8.9 btw, Debian 9 doesn't appear to be affected, and this only seems to have started happening after a firmware update was deployed for this specific card. |
| 12:12.11 | squeeb | It's affecting all the systems that have this particular card |
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| 12:38.44 | sewerrat | will dogecoin rise to power |
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| 13:18.50 | webmind | goodday, I' |
| 13:19.29 | webmind | goodday, I'm trying to install debian stretch on a sourkis net6501, from usb. Got a serial cable. But as soon as the iso linux line has been printed, my screens screws up |
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| 13:19.56 | webmind | terminal is set to 9600n8 |
| 13:20.04 | webmind | anyone an idea what that could be? |
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| 14:33.26 | glick | hi has anyone else experience crashes of netbeans and eclipse on the openjdk |
| 14:33.32 | glick | it appears its a bug in a gnome library |
| 14:33.39 | glick | libweb2gtk |
| 14:34.01 | glick | its causeing openjdk to crash |
| 14:34.52 | glick | im running testing by the way |
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| 14:37.22 | mtn | !testing |
| 14:37.22 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 14:56.53 | newb | hi, i have a problem, i installed a package thinking was needed for my nvidia gpu. the problem is that when i restarted i got the message "failed to start light debian manager". i deleted the new package (sorry don't remember the name) and reinstalled lightdm, but same error. i also tried with gdm but the screen start flickering and nothing happens. At this point i just want to reset my graphic settings. Can anybody help pls? |
| 14:57.17 | teraflops | Apteryx: try adding yourself to the audio group |
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| 14:57.53 | petn-randall | newb: Was it a package from Debian? |
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| 14:58.52 | newb | petn-randall: yes, but cannot see it in history now |
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| 14:59.16 | petn-randall | newb: You can check /var/log/apt/history.log for the exact package name. |
| 14:59.29 | newb | sure |
| 15:00.30 | donofrio | any remmina users here, trying to figure out how to troubleshoot disconnect issue, and #remmina only has 7 good folks there that are not talking (ever) |
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| 15:00.39 | newb | peth-randall: nvidia-libopencl1 |
| 15:01.14 | newb | sorry, petn-randall ^^ |
| 15:01.43 | teraflops | donofrio: how did you infer it's remmina's fault? |
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| 15:02.29 | donofrio | teraflops, well it's freerdp but they don't seem to have a channel on freenode |
| 15:02.38 | teraflops | oh well |
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| 15:03.19 | donofrio | teraflops, I mean remmina is frontend to freerdp but debug doesn't so anything ever from remmina, I've yet to manually bash out the freerdp command |
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| 15:04.58 | teraflops | yeah I think using rdp directly will tell you if it's remminas fault |
| 15:05.53 | petn-randall | newb: petn<tab> |
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| 15:06.35 | petn-randall | newb: I wouldn't expect that package to cause any trouble. Which OS release are you running? |
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| 15:07.51 | newb | petn-randall: i'm on debian stretch, after restart i got that message, and dpkg-reconfigure on lightdm changed nothing |
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| 15:09.21 | newb | petn-randall: if i restart lightdm manually, it starts, but after reboot nothing changes |
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| 15:14.01 | glick | hey question im tracking testing now, when buster comes out, can i switch over and run buster stable from testing? |
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| 15:18.01 | mtn | glick: change your sources to buster, not testing and it will do that automatically |
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| 15:20.27 | Iridos | "run buster stable from testing?" <-- that bit doesn't really make sense. |
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| 15:21.02 | Iridos | you will keep having buster if you use "buster" in your sources.list⦠you will automatically switch over to the next testing if you use "testing" in your sources.list |
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| 15:22.49 | Iridos | and the way of least surprise is probably specifying "buster" which automatically transitions to from testing to stable when buster transitions⦠and then maybe switch to the new testing when you have time to deal with all the crap packages coming in after a release |
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| 15:40.37 | MCMic_w | How can I open an apport crash report under debian? A user reported a crash of my software on ubuntu and ubuntu is storing the coredump through apport. |
| 15:40.49 | MCMic_w | I got the file but apport does not seem packaged for debian |
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| 15:42.44 | petn-randall | MCMic_w: There are efforts to add apport to Debian, but it's still in experimental. So unfortunately this means your best bet is to run Ubuntu in a VM to read those crash reports from apport. |
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| 15:44.47 | MCMic_w | hum |
| 15:44.49 | MCMic_w | ok |
| 15:46.46 | kopper | I'm planning to get hardware to virtualize 3 - 4 hosts on Debian. Is Ryzen a viable option yet, or should I be going with e.g. Xeon? |
| 15:47.08 | kopper | s/hosts/VMs/g |
| 15:48.33 | Iridos | petn-randall, would that be something to write a factoid on? |
| 15:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | MCMic_w: Reproduce the error on a Debian system, or report it to Ubuntu. |
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| 15:49.42 | Iridos | uhâ¦I think he wants to analyze it, not to report it |
| 15:50.17 | fosstux | Hi! What version of Debian would you recommend für web servers? Debian 8 or 9? |
| 15:50.57 | FinalX | 9, definitely |
| 15:51.25 | Iridos | always the current stable, i.e. 9 at the moment |
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| 15:52.07 | Iridos | oldstable has a very limited lifespan if the lts team doesn't pick it up |
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| 15:52.27 | Iridos | and even then⦠I wouldn't ever start out with oldstable |
| 15:52.48 | FinalX | and aside from that, webserver devs are never sitting still and especially Apache has a few nice updates in 9's Apache 2.4 version (hi http2) |
| 15:53.17 | jelly | for people that haven't switched over to nginx |
| 15:53.49 | FinalX | well nginx you would use their own repository for instead of stock, imo |
| 15:53.54 | FinalX | (or in my case, my own) |
| 15:54.10 | nkuttler | packaged nginx works fine for me, including backports |
| 15:54.12 | mspo | yeah vanilla apche is nice :) |
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| 16:05.43 | fosstux | thanks |
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| 16:18.00 | castleguard | Been quiet for a few days but just want to say I'm loving Debian. :) |
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| 16:23.30 | petn-randall | castleguard: Wonderful! Just make sure not to stray off the path of The True Light⢠to Ubuntu/Kali/Parrot/ClearOS! ;) |
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| 16:27.23 | fosstux | One more question: If your Server were a Debian 7 server, would you reinstall with 9 or dist-upgrade? |
| 16:28.33 | RoyK | fosstux: depends on a lot of things. the safest and probably fastest is to reinstall, since a dist-upgrade to 8 and then 9 will take time, and things may break. |
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| 16:28.46 | RoyK | anyway - *do* make a backup first |
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| 16:29.05 | petn-randall | fosstux: Depends on how many services are involved, how much downtime you can live with, if you have a spare serve to migrate, how experienced you are with dist-upgrades, etc. |
| 16:29.07 | jelly | fosstux: if I was an experienced debian user I'd do an in-place release upgrade |
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| 16:29.42 | jelly | if I already had data an services listed and easy to migrate to different OS, I'd do a fresh installation and migrate them |
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| 16:30.32 | castleguard | petn-randall: I went Ubuntu -> Lubuntu -> Debian Stretch LXDE -> LFS -> Gentoo and now back to Stetch with dwm/dmenu. I like that this is a lot easier and faster to get working |
| 16:30.39 | jelly | fosstux: for what it's worth, debian release upgrades are reasonably safe and known caveats are documented |
| 16:30.53 | castleguard | I failed pretty hard at lfs/gentoo |
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| 16:31.14 | jelly | has systems that were first installed as debian 2.1 and 4.0 |
| 16:31.15 | fosstux | thx |
| 16:31.32 | Iridos | !next |
| 16:31.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:32.05 | jelly | but jessie->stretch has been most painful on workstations in _years_ |
| 16:32.43 | jelly | so much breakage not seen since, dunno, was it etch->lenny or lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:33.52 | annadane | i guess this is why people wait until at least x.1 |
| 16:33.58 | annadane | or .2 |
| 16:35.43 | jordanm | lenny->squeeze was bad because you had to upgrade the kernel and then reboot before proceeding, otherwise it might break your system |
| 16:35.44 | jelly | stretch was at 9.2 when I did the workstation at work and apt barfed all over, not a month ago |
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| 16:37.28 | petn-randall | jelly: What did it die with? |
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| 16:38.54 | jelly | petn-randall: which of 4-5 times? |
| 16:40.48 | jelly | first one was /boot disk out of space, logs say. After that, apt did NOT deal well with all the deconfigured packages |
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| 16:48.02 | tw | I've hit boot being out of space too. I thought it was just me being dumb. |
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| 16:49.35 | snhmib | what is a good document indexer / desktop search engine? |
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| 16:49.59 | snhmib | that can index at least pdf's and html |
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| 16:50.44 | snhmib | hm, does xapian still exist? |
| 16:50.56 | petn-randall | snhmib: You could try "tracker", I don't know if that's still the recommended app, though. |
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| 16:51.48 | snhmib | oh cool xapian is still being developped it seems |
| 16:51.54 | snhmib | petn-randall: thanks! |
| 16:52.16 | snhmib | i'll just try every one i can get my hands on and see which works best for me |
| 16:52.20 | zophyx | is there an update dvd to update from 9.0 to 9.2.1 ? |
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| 16:53.25 | petn-randall | !update dvd |
| 16:53.25 | dpkg | Debian update CDs/DVDs contain all the packages that changed between the initial release (e.g. 8.0, 7.0) and a later <point release>. These are not installation images and therefore not bootable; ask me about <install debian> for installation images. To use an update CD/DVD, ask me about <apt-cdrom> and <dist-upgrade>. |
| 16:54.29 | petn-randall | zophyx: Do you need this for a machine without internet access? |
| 16:54.53 | zophyx | petn-randall, thanks, the thing is i can't find a link for the update dvd iso |
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| 16:56.49 | zophyx | petn-randall, yes, i need to create a physical dvd |
| 16:58.06 | petn-randall | zophyx: I can't seem to find them, either. As a workaround, you could download the current DVD set of 9.2.1, which you can also use for upgrading. |
| 16:59.59 | zophyx | petn-randall, i always thought they made update dvd's |
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| 17:00.06 | petn-randall | zophyx: It seems as if you can create them with jigdo: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
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| 17:00.32 | petn-randall | zophyx: Apparently a lot of the less popular pre-made ISOs were dropped in favour of jigdo. |
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| 17:00.49 | zophyx | oh man, jigdo seems complicated, i just like to click and point |
| 17:00.58 | zophyx | oh mn, oh man |
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| 17:01.46 | annadane | luckily jigdo is well documented |
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| 17:01.51 | annadane | it's not that bad |
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| 17:02.43 | petn-randall | zophyx: Apparently it also comes with a GUI, so it should be usable. |
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| 18:57.20 | Aredhel | ? (let me preface w/ I'm a FBSD guy) my canoical directions say to keep the sysstem update i'ts (3 parts sequential in order) apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and finally apt-get upgrade but as far as I have seen that last one never seems to update anything ... is that third step really necessary? |
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| 18:57.40 | greycat | your instructions are out of order |
| 18:58.04 | Aredhel | so all three steps but change 2/3? |
| 18:58.13 | greycat | upgrade should be before dist-upgrade, if you're going to do them separately at all |
| 18:58.28 | greycat | You should be reading the release notes for each upgrade, as the steps may differ sometimes. |
| 18:58.29 | Aredhel | there a single command? |
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| 18:59.12 | greycat | E.g. I think it was lenny-to-wheezy where you had to do some udev/kernel stuff. |
| 18:59.14 | petn-randall | Aredhel: Usually not, it's a few commands, but the most important part is actual preparations (backups, reading the release notes, identifying 3rd party services that need to be upgraded, too, etc.) |
| 18:59.24 | Aredhel | there a easy release note fle to check before update? someting like /usr/src/UPDATING or /usr/ports/UPDATING before running? |
| 18:59.35 | Aredhel | i.e.on FBSD I just head -n 100 daily to look for gotchas ;) |
| 18:59.39 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 19:00.46 | greycat | Sorry, it was lenny->squeeze with the kernel step in the middle. |
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| 19:01.03 | Aredhel | lol that entire blurb is greek, trying to grok it :) |
| 19:01.25 | greycat | anything in <angle brackets> is another bot factoid you can /msg dpkg about |
| 19:01.33 | greycat | e.g. /msg dpkg release notes |
| 19:02.16 | Aredhel | ah I take it $ dpkg release notes doens't work lol (just tried) |
| 19:02.45 | greycat | http://deb.li/OFVv |
| 19:03.35 | Aredhel | yeah reading |
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| 19:05.38 | mspo | is this correct? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:06.03 | mspo | or do I need the main "stretch" in there too? |
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| 19:06.23 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 19:06.23 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:06.38 | Aredhel | thansk man |
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| 19:10.07 | Tarrasquero | Would it be possible to place the output on a single line separated by a space?: apt list --installed |awk -F/ '{ print $1 }' |
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| 19:13.13 | mrtadis | How to list manually installed packages and not dependencies or updates? |
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| 19:13.56 | jelly | Tarrasquero, sure, just tell awk to do that instead. apt list --installed |awk -F/ '{ printf "%s ", $1 } END {printf "\n"}' |
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| 19:14.31 | teraflops | Tarrasquero: ⦠| awk -v RS="" '{gsub (/\n/," ")}1' |
| 19:14.33 | jelly | Tarrasquero, hope you don't mind that extra space at the end of the line... |
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| 19:15.04 | wyre | hi guys! I cannot find php5 package in stretch |
| 19:15.12 | wyre | has been removed? |
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| 19:15.25 | RoyK | iirc no, but most is php7 nowadays |
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| 19:16.51 | wyre | RoyK, https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp that wiki entry suggest install php5 |
| 19:17.15 | Tarrasquero | thanks teraflops jelly |
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| 19:17.31 | mspo | yes use php7 |
| 19:17.45 | mspo | it gave me a free 40% performance increase |
| 19:17.45 | teraflops | Tarrasquero: np |
| 19:18.28 | RoyK | wyre: for a generic LAMP/LAPP server, just use php7 |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | the wiki page probably hasn't been updated for stretch |
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| 19:28.12 | rakor | Hey there, does this suffice to have a firewall on a desktop-system: https://pastebin.com/xcvWekue ? |
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| 19:29.17 | RoyK | rakor: apt install ufw; ufw enable |
| 19:29.32 | rakor | What is ufw? |
| 19:29.36 | greycat | ,info ufw |
| 19:29.37 | judd | Package ufw (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: program for managing a Netfilter firewall. Version: 0.35-4; Size: 160.5k; Installed: 828k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 19:29.43 | RoyK | rakor: and perhaps ufw allow ssh if you want someone to be able to login there |
| 19:29.43 | phogg | rakor: it beats nothing |
| 19:30.01 | RoyK | rakor: it just works |
| 19:30.05 | RoyK | rakor: ufw, taht is |
| 19:30.46 | rakor | OK, so is it a userinterface to iptables? |
| 19:31.11 | phogg | rakor: Yes. Remember, there is only one firewall in Linux. All "firewall" software you hear about is just different interfaces to netfilter. |
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| 19:31.26 | phogg | ... unless someone wants to get pedantic about nftables |
| 19:31.54 | rakor | ok. Does it interference with virtual-networks created with virsh? |
| 19:32.30 | phogg | rakor: Again, it will interface with netfilter just like everything else. Whether it understands chains and rulesets created by other software (or by hand) depends on how clever it is. |
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| 19:32.53 | rakor | ok. So thanks. I'll test it :) |
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| 19:33.51 | rakor | wow... ok... a large ruleset :) |
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| 19:46.22 | pandy2 | greeting ALL |
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| 19:50.20 | pandy2 | question, how do i change font color in this chat ? |
| 19:51.01 | pandy2 | so i can see better my meassage, thank you |
| 19:51.09 | preaction | pandy2: which irc client are you using? |
| 19:51.30 | pandy2 | i'n using hexchat |
| 19:52.10 | preaction | http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appearance.html |
| 19:52.14 | pandy2 | debian stretch, fresh clean install |
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| 19:55.42 | pandy2 | preaction, too much reading for old man |
| 19:55.49 | preaction | not my problem |
| 19:56.13 | prrrris | Hey guys. Anyone who's experience working with CloudFlare settings? I want to try Auto Minify html. Is there a way to test this setting before turning it on on my actual prod servers? |
| 19:56.16 | pandy2 | it migh be when you hit 75 ;-) |
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| 19:57.38 | pandy2 | general question: is this a help channel ? |
| 19:57.59 | jelly | it is |
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| 19:58.18 | jelly | it is. however, not necessarily a spoonfeeding channel |
| 19:58.24 | pandy2 | hi jelly, |
| 19:59.06 | preaction | i don't use hexchat, so i went to google. you might need to wait for someone who uses hexchat, or you might have to find a hexchat specific help channel that has more people who use hexchat |
| 19:59.20 | jelly | there's #hexchat |
| 19:59.21 | preaction | there's #hexchat for example |
| 19:59.25 | teraflops | know your tools |
| 19:59.48 | greycat | But he was already given a URL for instructions on how to configure it. |
| 19:59.48 | preaction | how can one know until one learns? "learn your tools" sounds better |
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| 20:00.10 | teraflops | if youre going to use it I believe spending a bit of time reading/testing it a good idea |
| 20:00.33 | jelly | pandy2, but really, Settings -> Preferences -> Color -> foreground shouldn't be too hard to find |
| 20:00.39 | preaction | yes. using free software often involves reading a great deal |
| 20:00.39 | teraflops | it is^ |
| 20:01.25 | soul-d | well for paint you woulnd need to read either but paint shop pro ? |
| 20:02.12 | NeilHanlon | i've got a bit of an odd issues since I upgraded to debian 9 that I've not been able to find anything on. When I lock my machine with Super+L, it goes into a suspend state in around 5 minutes, but I have it set in the settings gui to not sleep while on AC power. Is there something else I need to modify? |
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| 20:04.02 | pandy2 | jelly, somehow my colors do not change, |
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| 20:06.40 | jelly | weird, what about changing background? That ought to be more visible |
| 20:07.56 | jelly | I just changed background to bright blue and OH $DEITY MAKE IT GO AWAY |
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| 20:08.44 | jelly | it takes this hexchat quite some time to recolor; but I'm not on debian right now |
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| 20:09.31 | pandy2 | jelly, how do i ude this: %B Bold text |
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| 20:09.48 | pandy2 | if i do /%B Bold text |
| 20:09.55 | pandy2 | does nothing |
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| 20:10.13 | greycat | #debian has the +c flag, to suppress colors |
| 20:10.38 | jelly | pandy2, many channels, including this one, limit bold, underline and similar attributes |
| 20:11.15 | jelly | go try it in, dunno, invent your own channel, or #debian-offtopic for now |
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| 20:17.04 | jelly | pandy2, can you upload a screenshot? imgur.com or picpaste.com or somewhere, showing part of your channel screen and the settings -> preferences -> interface -> colors -> foreground picker with current color |
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| 20:22.14 | Richard_Cavell | Hi everyone. I just installed debian 9.2. I'm trying to use the parted command. But it doesn't work. apt-get install parted tells me that parted is already the newest version (3.2-17) |
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| 20:22.42 | greycat | You need to be root to run it. |
| 20:23.05 | Richard_Cavell | I don't seem to have sudo. How does one become root on debian? |
| 20:23.16 | greycat | su, or install sudo the same way you installed parted |
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| 20:24.05 | annadane | su - is preferable |
| 20:24.46 | greycat | at that point it's just personal preference |
| 20:25.07 | annadane | sure but it's good to get into the habit of doing it i guess |
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| 20:25.31 | Richard_Cavell | okay |
| 20:25.32 | annadane | especially when su vs su - isn't immediately apparent to new users |
| 20:26.05 | Richard_Cavell | Another question: I have surmised that /dev/sda is debian's equivalent to /dev/hda. What does "sda" stand for? |
| 20:26.18 | somiaj | Richard_Cavell: note if you want to use sudo, you will have to add yourself to the sudo group (the logout/backin) or edit the sudoers file with visudo |
| 20:26.46 | somiaj | Richard_Cavell: they are drives on the SATA interface, sda is just the first detected. |
| 20:26.48 | greycat | "hda" is basically a relic of the past, back when hda would have been (P)ATA disks and sda was SCSI |
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| 20:27.16 | somiaj | annadane: the difference isn't that important for many cases jsut to become root to say install a package ro run a program. |
| 20:27.21 | greycat | later, SATA was invented, and that also used a pseudo-SCSI interface, so those became sd* as well |
| 20:27.27 | Richard_Cavell | okay |
| 20:28.28 | annadane | yeah, i know |
| 20:28.30 | greycat | in the current versions, *all* disks are sd* even if they are old-style PATA |
| 20:28.50 | annadane | i'm not saying you'll nuke your system in many cases or anything |
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| 20:30.37 | Richard_Cavell | I am experimenting with parted, and I've chosen to put debian inside a VM with a spare (virtual) hard disk so I can't do any harm |
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| 20:48.48 | xz | hey, I broke my apt-get. When trying to ' |
| 20:48.57 | xz | apt-get' install anything, all I get is: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 20:49.25 | quiritus | sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 20:49.56 | xz | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
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| 20:50.00 | greycat | and/or disable and/or remove the packagekit thing that causes apt-get to run 100% of the time |
| 20:50.16 | xz | greycat: is it a service? |
| 20:50.25 | greycat | You tell me. Is it? |
| 20:50.30 | quiritus | just remove the file |
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| 20:50.42 | nkuttler | xz: make sure no dpkg/apt process is around first.. |
| 20:50.51 | quiritus | ditto |
| 20:50.53 | xz | quiritus: I did and now when trying to apt-get I get that 'dpkg was interrupted' |
| 20:51.06 | xz | nkuttler: yeah, no process as of now usign dpkg/apt |
| 20:51.14 | nkuttler | xz: so do what the error suggests |
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| 20:51.55 | xz | https://hastebin.com/rihehenaqi.sql |
| 20:52.08 | xz | that's what I get now after doing sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:52.10 | xz | and it's hanging |
| 20:52.23 | nkuttler | yeah, wait.. |
| 20:52.37 | nkuttler | your computer doesn't "hang" after three seconds |
| 20:52.46 | xz | nkuttler: I've done this some other day and it was hanging for 1hour+ |
| 20:53.00 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 20:53.01 | xz | nkuttler: then I stopped it as I had to shut down PC |
| 20:53.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 20:53.02 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1) |
| 20:53.24 | nkuttler | ,v linux-image-4.10.0-40-generic |
| 20:53.25 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.10.0-40-generic' was found in amd64. |
| 20:53.37 | nkuttler | xz: which distro are you using? |
| 20:53.39 | xz | so what's going on with my PC then? |
| 20:54.03 | xz | ups, I'm sorry, 4.10.0-35-generic #39~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 13 09:02:42 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:54.07 | xz | that's Ubuntu |
| 20:54.10 | nkuttler | !ubuntu |
| 20:54.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:54.13 | xz | I have debian on most of my boxes, ha |
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| 20:54.27 | pandy2 | hello ! |
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| 20:55.24 | xz | anyway, seems that the update-initramfs is stuck, do you know any other tricks to fix it? |
| 20:55.58 | xz | but then it shows some activity on update-manager in 'top', I don't know what to think about that |
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| 20:56.18 | somiaj | Is this on the ubuntu box, you should be asking ubuntu support for that. |
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| 20:56.50 | xz | I know but debian people are smarter |
| 20:56.53 | jelly | xz, ask in #ubuntu, their kernel and initrd is different from our kernel |
| 20:57.22 | jelly | if any of the smart people want to answer, they are able to join that channel as well because they're smart |
| 20:57.58 | pandy2 | debian stretch xfce, how do i place application in the small panel(?) at bottom of screen, ? |
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| 20:58.30 | somiaj | pandy2: are you talking about the 'systemtray'? |
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| 20:59.12 | pandy2 | somiaj, it looks like i mac apple |
| 20:59.26 | pandy2 | i dont know what its name |
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| 21:00.12 | pandy2 | i have this one and a long panel on the top |
| 21:00.25 | somiaj | pandy2: well there are two things you could be describing, the task pannel (which usually lists all windows/tasks running) and the system tray which is usually just icons for limited apps |
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| 21:00.41 | somiaj | only apps which support system trays can appear there, and in that case you can configure the app to show up in the systemtray |
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| 21:02.42 | pandy2 | got it, i manage to drag and drop Dolphin in ther, but cannot do that with pan |
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| 21:35.00 | lasdam | anyone got Debian running on a 4k monitor set to 4k resolution and got application toolbars properly scaled? |
| 21:35.56 | jelly | nope, but send one monitor over and I'll definitely try |
| 21:36.10 | lasdam | (: |
| 21:36.22 | dTal | four thousand pixels doesn't seem lik a whole lot |
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| 21:37.01 | jelly | 80x50 is enough for anybody |
| 21:37.39 | somiaj | pixles? |
| 21:37.47 | jelly | yes. 4k. |
| 21:38.55 | teraflops | haha |
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| 22:03.47 | Richard_Cavell | I'm on debian 9.2 GNOME. The screensaver/blanker/user login kicks in after a few minutes. How do I disable this? |
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| 22:04.39 | annadane | probably power management settings or whatever |
| 22:04.43 | annadane | can't say as i don't use gnome |
| 22:04.44 | mtn | Richard_Cavell: power settings |
| 22:04.53 | dff | i have the exact same /etc/default/keyboard content on raspbian and debian, on raspian swedish characters work but not on debian |
| 22:04.59 | dff | anyone how a clue as to why that may be |
| 22:05.15 | RoyK | Richard_Cavell: is this the linux screenblanker or the one in x? |
| 22:05.23 | dff | im sshing to both |
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| 22:07.13 | dff | and both have AcceptEnv LANG LC_* in sshd.config |
| 22:07.25 | dff | (if that matters) |
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| 22:11.06 | verblendet | dff, did you install locaes on debian |
| 22:11.11 | verblendet | locales? |
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| 22:17.45 | dff | verblendet: i did |
| 22:19.05 | dff | verblendet: sv_SE.UTF-8 |
| 22:19.14 | verblendet | then i have no more idea |
| 22:19.54 | verblendet | maybe setting TERM=to something (linux e.g.) ... (may sound oldschool) |
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| 22:21.15 | dff | ive done dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and reboot a million times |
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| 22:25.47 | dff | verblendet: but how can it work on raspian and not on debian? |
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| 22:27.56 | dff | TERM is xterm-256color on raspbian, debian and macos |
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| 22:38.36 | UukGoblin | hello :-) I've mirrored the 'source' arch with ftpsync. I'm looking for an easy way to convert that mirror into all of the .debs (essentially to build all of the Debian packages). Or, alternatively, have an easy way to lazily build only the packages required by a client (such as apt-get or debootstrap) |
| 22:39.51 | UukGoblin | has someone tried this before? is there a tutorial? ;-) |
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| 22:40.52 | UukGoblin | I can start just building packages in an empty~ish lxc container, but I need to figure out what to build first. I'm guessing I could use some libraries to parse the Sources.gz files and such... |
| 22:41.03 | dff | which file is output by locale, is it /etc/default/locale? |
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| 22:41.23 | dff | im asking because they do not match |
| 22:41.57 | dff | even though i edit that file and reconfigure locale every value is ="POSIX" |
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| 22:43.35 | aldy_ | hello is the onion irc server still accessible |
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| 22:45.27 | dob1 | hi, what is wrong with this : iptables -A INPUT -p all --dport 443 -j DROP |
| 22:45.35 | Tramp | dff: did you dpkg-reconfigure locales? You don't edit /etc/default/locale by hand |
| 22:45.38 | dob1 | unknown option "--dport" |
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| 22:46.08 | UukGoblin | dob1, afair for --dport you must specify the protocol, because not all protocols use ports |
| 22:46.26 | dob1 | UukGoblin, -p all is not ok? |
| 22:46.37 | UukGoblin | dob1, so change `-p all` to `-p tcp`, afaik 443 doesn't use any UDP |
| 22:47.15 | dob1 | UukGoblin, ok thanks, it works now |
| 22:47.18 | UukGoblin | (but if you do need to also drop UDP, you'll probably need another command with -p udp) |
| 22:47.56 | dob1 | I got it, using all it considers icmp too and this makes not sense with --dport |
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| 22:47.57 | dff | Tramp: i did |
| 22:48.09 | UukGoblin | dob1, exactly |
| 22:49.20 | dff | please shoot me |
| 22:49.32 | dff | for some reason PAM was disabled in sshd.config |
| 22:51.06 | Brigo | UukGoblin, apt can buil any package and its dependencies from source. |
| 22:51.53 | Brigo | UukGoblin, maybe reprepo could help with your goal ( even provided i don't understand what your goal is) |
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| 22:52.41 | UukGoblin | Brigo, oh, apt can *build* packages? I didn't know that, that would be useful |
| 22:53.54 | Brigo | UukGoblin, at least apt-get. |
| 22:54.17 | UukGoblin | Brigo, I see there's an apt-build |
| 22:54.36 | Brigo | UukGoblin, it can compile the dependencies first tootoo. |
| 22:54.44 | Brigo | s/tootoo/too :) |
| 22:55.31 | UukGoblin | Brigo, I've used `apt-get build-dep` before, but that relies on the packages being already built on the mirror I think |
| 22:56.16 | Brigo | UukGoblin, maybe you are right. |
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| 22:56.33 | UukGoblin | Brigo, my goal: given a full mirror of only the "source" architecture, generate a full mirror of the "amd64" architecture while offline (using only a basic debootstrap + build-essential environment) |
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| 22:59.03 | Brigo | UukGoblin, in debootstrap's page there is some links: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 23:02.01 | Brigo | UukGoblin, sbuild, for example does the work |
| 23:02.49 | UukGoblin | Brigo, ah yes, I know sbuild, cowbuilder and pbuilder are nice for building stuff inside containers or chroots |
| 23:03.11 | UukGoblin | however my main problems right now is how to figure out which package to build first |
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| 23:03.39 | UukGoblin | it's quite likely some of these tools can figure that out, but I'm not sure if they'll work with a source-only repository |
| 23:03.57 | Brigo | UukGoblin, i think that's exactly what they do. |
| 23:04.23 | UukGoblin | ok, I'll read up about that, thanks Brigo :-) |
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| 23:04.41 | Brigo | from the package description: sbuild installs only essential and |
| 23:04.41 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.41 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.58 | Brigo | maybe the problem is the package build dependencies :-m |
| 23:05.25 | UukGoblin | 'those in the package build dependencies' will not be built yet, they won't be installable, unless sbuild can figure out to build them first |
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| 23:05.51 | UukGoblin | I've used those things before, but I was always online, and these guys downloaded everything they needed to work |
| 23:07.40 | Brigo | UukGoblin, i see the problem now (finally) :-) |
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| 23:08.56 | UukGoblin | :-) |
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| 23:20.52 | booyah | screen hangs with "this session is locked" "you'll be redirected to the unlock dialog automatically in a few seconds". |
| 23:21.02 | booyah | what locks my screen, how to stop it? |
| 23:21.24 | booyah | was working fine in debian 8, broke in debian 9. I use xfce GUI of course |
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| 23:22.19 | mutante | booyah: the timeout settings of the screensaver |
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| 23:23.10 | mutante | booyah: eh, wait with XFCE, how about this https://i.stack.imgur.com/j2Ruv.png |
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| 23:25.32 | booyah | mutante: screensaver is disabled (has disabled screen lock) |
| 23:26.04 | mutante | booyah: power saving settings (display)? |
| 23:26.13 | booyah | mutante: you think blank time matters here? It sounds as if it's only for power controll, not locking or other logic |
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| 23:26.37 | booyah | btw I use multiple X savers at once on different consoles |
| 23:26.44 | mutante | booyah: i think so, because if my screen blanks and i hit a key, i am presented with the login screen |
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| 23:27.04 | mutante | multiple X servers sounds like.. yea, could cause stuff :) |
| 23:27.05 | booyah | mutante: don't you have enabled option like "lock screen"? |
| 23:27.12 | mutante | i dont have xfce :p |
| 23:27.18 | booyah | mutante: debian 9 messed up this, was working fine before |
| 23:28.18 | booyah | quality of debian goes down by each release imo |
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| 23:28.22 | booyah | more and more basic things are broke |
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