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| 00:12.11 | syntaxman | I'm using deb9.3 and plasma desktop... mouse pointer disappears, although it is working otherwise. I can change focus, etc. |
| 00:12.29 | syntaxman | Where should I be looking for the cause/fix? |
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| 00:27.43 | syntaxman | I have found similar problems on google, but the work-arounds haven't helped. |
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| 00:39.17 | Megaf | Hi guys, so I have a LVM setup with Luks here |
| 00:39.37 | Megaf | Id like a second install of Debian on my system, but for that I need to resize this LVM partition |
| 00:39.54 | Megaf | problem is, Debian installer cant even seem to see the LVM partitions at all |
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| 01:36.21 | KalEl | how really is any debian derived distro different from another? is it just the default choice of desktop environment, and software? |
| 01:37.20 | KalEl | related question, what does a release of ubuntu, mint etc. really entail? is it just new (revised) selection of default software? |
| 01:37.30 | metastable | There's also a matter of purpose and philosophy. Kali is Debian derived, but has a very specific purpose. |
| 01:37.38 | metastable | As to those questions, you should go ask the respective distros. |
| 01:38.07 | c0r1ng4_ | understand |
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| 01:46.08 | somiaj | KalEl: They are quite different in many core aspects. They take debian packages (from maybe a version that is no longer in debian) and modify them to fit some goal/desire. So it is a bit more than just a different choice of DE (debian already provides that). |
| 01:47.43 | KalEl | ahh so they may have different package archives and packages? |
| 01:47.57 | c0r1ng4_ | hm... |
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| 01:48.26 | abrotman | or different patches for packages |
| 01:51.41 | KalEl | thanks |
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| 03:35.13 | EnchanterTim | Hello |
| 03:35.39 | EnchanterTim | I am trying to get zsnes on debian jessie but it continues to crash |
| 03:36.22 | EnchanterTim | $ zsnes |
| 03:36.23 | EnchanterTim | zsnes: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:37.26 | EnchanterTim | 1.510+bz2-8 version and 500 http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages from the i386 of jessie |
| 03:37.32 | EnchanterTim | but I have an amd64 |
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| 03:37.50 | dude42 | Good day, I have SELinux enabled on Debian Stretch (commandline via SSH only, no GUI is installed at all). I am trying to start a systemd --user unit (which I know is correct, because it works without SELinux enabled). When I try to start the service I get: Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory. |
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| 03:39.43 | dude42 | with SELinux enabled, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is undefined (with SELinux disabled it is defined as unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus). With SELinux disabled that path exists, with SELinux enabled, it does not. |
| 03:39.44 | EnchanterTim | libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 is already the newest version |
| 03:40.08 | EnchanterTim | I seem to have everything done correctly, I can't figure out why it continues to not find libGL.so.1 |
| 03:40.14 | dude42 | Any advice would be appreciated (aside from disabling SELinux) |
| 03:40.27 | EnchanterTim | dude42: sorry, I don't know. |
| 03:40.43 | dude42 | no worries |
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| 03:42.11 | EnchanterTim | I found something inteeting. |
| 03:42.21 | EnchanterTim | http://paste.debian.net/1007738/ |
| 03:42.22 | dude42 | EnchanterTim, just a guess, but you could try: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ? |
| 03:42.30 | EnchanterTim | did that |
| 03:42.39 | EnchanterTim | it seems there is an alternative for "glx"... |
| 03:42.41 | dude42 | ok othen I don't know, sorry |
| 03:43.01 | EnchanterTim | gives me three options: 1) /usr/lib/nvidia 2) /usr/lib/mesa-diverted and 3) /usr/lib/nvidia |
| 03:43.30 | EnchanterTim | looking at the list of the locate output, it seems I should set it to diverted i386 for znses? |
| 03:43.33 | EnchanterTim | I can try that. |
| 03:44.19 | EnchanterTim | Ok, that made progress. |
| 03:44.41 | EnchanterTim | http://paste.debian.net/1007739/ |
| 03:44.53 | EnchanterTim | now I get this output, but I still don't get a zsnes window :( |
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| 05:29.36 | darkhanb | Can I do something like this in /etc/sudoers: Defaults secure_path="/some/path/bin:$secure_path"? |
| 05:29.46 | darkhanb | extend the secure_path? |
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| 06:57.58 | iamtim | Was lppasswd removed from Cups in Stretch? I can't seem to find it. Is there a new way to setup the cups admin user? |
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| 07:49.01 | somiaj | iamtim: I think cups just uses regular authentication. If you add your user to the lpadmin group, that user can login to cups as an admin. |
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| 07:50.52 | iamtim | yeah, according to cups-files.conf that's the group. So I added my user to it, still didn't work. I could only get root working, but I'm tired of fighting with it so that will have to be good enough |
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| 08:40.30 | deicide- | how do i quit ctrl+alt+f1? |
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| 08:43.20 | jelly | deicide-: GUI (X or Wayland or whatever) is usually started at 7th virtual console. Ctrl-Alt-F7 |
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| 09:07.16 | Nawab | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 09:07.17 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4 |
| 09:10.45 | Nawab | ,v xserver-xorg-core |
| 09:10.47 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u8; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:1.19.5-1; sid: 2:1.19.6-1 |
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| 09:15.01 | booyah | how would you copy photos from android phone onto a debian? |
| 09:15.24 | gpunk | mtp or mass sqorage |
| 09:15.29 | gpunk | storage* |
| 09:15.31 | booyah | MTP tools are buggy or something, and do not work, mtp-files shows errors can can't get any files |
| 09:15.51 | gpunk | setup your phone as mass storage then |
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| 09:18.31 | booyah | seems this shitty phone does not allow usb-mass-storage |
| 09:18.43 | booyah | hopes everyone in android will die of cancer |
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| 09:26.12 | alkisg | booyah: you can also use adb pull |
| 09:26.28 | alkisg | And of course some android tool for file transfer |
| 09:26.28 | booyah | alkisg: without rooting? |
| 09:26.45 | alkisg | booyah: yes, you don't need root to enable "usb debugging" in most phones |
| 09:26.46 | booyah | alkisg: it allows mass copy, e.g. all photos/DCIM ? |
| 09:27.04 | alkisg | Yes, I just did adb pull /sdcard/DCIM here |
| 09:27.38 | alkisg | You press 7 times in the settings to enable developer options, then enable usb debugging etc, google for exact instructions |
| 09:27.48 | alkisg | All without rooting involved |
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| 09:29.47 | booyah | alkisg: ok debian sees USB as ADB interface now. what would be the command to pull the files now? |
| 09:30.00 | alkisg | booyah: adb shell gives you a shell |
| 09:30.08 | alkisg | on the phone, cd /sdcard/, ls, |
| 09:30.16 | alkisg | find out what the full path is, and finally |
| 09:30.23 | alkisg | adb pull /path/to/dir . |
| 09:30.23 | booyah | alkisg: how you enter that from debian? run some program? |
| 09:30.31 | alkisg | adb is a program, yes |
| 09:30.32 | booyah | ah ok there is adb package |
| 09:30.41 | alkisg | I think there are 2 packages that provide it |
| 09:30.49 | booyah | alkisg: you run it as root or as usuer normally? |
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| 09:30.50 | alkisg | One worked better for me than the other, but I don't remember details |
| 09:31.01 | alkisg | On some devices it runs fine as the user |
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| 09:31.05 | alkisg | On some others it requires root |
| 09:31.39 | alkisg | But do run `sudo adb kill-server` if you're planning to change from root to non-root etc |
| 09:31.54 | alkisg | Otherwise the adb server runs as the user even if you're using sudo later on |
| 09:32.09 | booyah | adb ls / ---> error connect failed no devices/emulators found |
| 09:32.24 | booyah | ah wait |
| 09:32.28 | alkisg | Did you get a security prompt on your device? |
| 09:34.01 | booyah | alkisg: yeah, how do you show the proper fingerprint on debian? |
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| 09:34.24 | alkisg | Hmm what? Normally I only get a "accept connection from this device" on the phone |
| 09:34.36 | booyah | yeah but to verify the fpr |
| 09:34.46 | booyah | ok it's in ssh format, in ~/.android/adbkey.pub |
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| 09:34.54 | alkisg | Eh, I don't have any other device connected via usb at that point so I don't care much to verify it :) |
| 09:36.17 | booyah | yeah, adb ls / works |
| 09:37.02 | alkisg | booyah: just note that adb pull /path/to/camera doesn't create a camera folder, so be inside a camera folder when you run that |
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| 09:39.00 | user0 | Hello, here we go i broke my debian vps it do not boot anymore, i did reinstall standard os and upgrading to stretch, there is a way to reboot in recovery with ssh activated without console access ? |
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| 09:39.29 | user0 | i need to restore the disks |
| 09:42.49 | booyah | alkisg: it seems to work \o/ thanks |
| 09:42.53 | alkisg | booyah: np |
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| 09:43.13 | alkisg | user0: you need to boot to recovery? Or do you mean to some live media that would allow you to restore disks? |
| 09:43.28 | alkisg | Recovery mode still needs disk access, so you can't restore it from there |
| 09:43.34 | user0 | alkisg: i need to restore sda the only disk i have |
| 09:43.50 | alkisg | Right, so usually the provider gives you a method to boot a live media to work from there |
| 09:44.00 | alkisg | I.e. it would be a question to the provider, not to #debian... |
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| 09:46.03 | user0 | alkisg: i'm asking |
| 09:46.44 | valdez | hello. how do i install stretch without dash? apparently dash breaks some postinst scripts (for spl, namely), and preseeding like 'dash dash/sh boolean false' doesn't work for dpkg-reconfigure for no apparent reason |
| 09:47.11 | valdez | (i am using multistrap to install the system) |
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| 09:52.58 | slax0r | I'm using pass with gpg-agent which keeps the keys unlocked for a certain period of time, is it possible to send gpg-agent a message to re-lock all keys when i3lock is activated/called/executed/whatever ? |
| 09:53.24 | Nawab | where can i find the debs for the fglrx package? |
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| 09:56.16 | mpo | Nawab, a quick search yielded this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/210080/fglrx-on-debian-stretch |
| 09:56.18 | slax0r | is really reloading the gpg-agent the only way to clear the loaded keys? |
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| 09:56.31 | Nawab | thnx mpo |
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| 09:57.52 | ahmadadnan | hello all..I would like to create a dummy interface on my Debian stretch VM.. but no luck.. hopefully anyone can help me..thanks |
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| 09:59.41 | mpo | ahmadadnan, what's a 'dummy interface'? |
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| 10:04.25 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
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| 10:04.44 | ahmadadnan | mpo : I don't know how to explain, but it is only for dummy. no active connection is created, but the application think the connection is there. |
| 10:04.58 | HD|Laptop | is there a way to disable the jdk8 headless accessibility stuff in "user mode" (aka without editing /etc/java-8-openjdk/accessibility.properties)? |
| 10:05.13 | HD|Laptop | I got hit with this error: https://askubuntu.com/questions/695560/assistive-technology-not-found-error-while-building-aprof-plot (yes I know this is Ubuntu) |
| 10:05.25 | ahmadadnan | for example from command : pre-up /sbin/ip link add dummy0 type dummy |
| 10:05.37 | HD|Laptop | while on my local machine I could solve the problem with this workaround, but on the target server I dont have root and change-requests are... a nightmare |
| 10:06.31 | ahmadadnan | pmo : modprobe dummy to load the modules |
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| 10:07.16 | klys | ahmadadnan, zgrep CONFIG_DUMMP /proc/config.gz |
| 10:07.19 | klys | Y |
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| 10:07.33 | klys | ahmadadnan, zgrep CONFIG_DUMMY /proc/config.gz |
| 10:08.50 | ahmadadnan | klys : I don't understand. |
| 10:09.20 | klys | ahmadadnan, it should say m if you have dummy.ko in /lib/modules |
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| 10:28.16 | ahmadadnan | klys : from lsmod, it is there |
| 10:28.31 | J-BBB | anyone a idea when the new version of clamav will release? |
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| 10:35.53 | klys | ahmadadnan, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x-087-2-iface.interface.html#X-087-2-IFACE.INTERFACE.DUMMY |
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| 10:53.17 | user0 | can restore sda backup ? |
| 10:53.24 | user0 | i can't mount it |
| 10:53.37 | user0 | i taked sda instead sda2 |
| 10:53.38 | slax0r | how did you create the backup? |
| 10:53.47 | user0 | dd over ssh |
| 10:53.50 | user0 | 1.8G |
| 10:53.56 | user0 | xz compression => 2M |
| 10:54.20 | slax0r | you've essentially created a clone of the hard drive |
| 10:54.43 | slax0r | dd it back, so dd if=/backup/file of=/dev/XdY <any options you need> |
| 10:55.28 | user0 | i did dd if=/backup of=/dev/sda then rebooted and nothing appened |
| 10:55.37 | user0 | Machine was not backuped |
| 10:56.05 | slax0r | are you sure sda is the correct device? |
| 10:56.26 | slax0r | I'm not sure any more, but I think the device you are restoring to has to be unmounted? |
| 10:56.34 | user0 | # / was on /dev/sda2 during installation |
| 10:56.35 | user0 | UUID=a949a0c8-be9e-43f5-a712-75c93f883997 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 10:57.17 | user0 | When a reboot in recovery it is still mounted or not ? |
| 10:57.47 | user0 | the problem is that i have no other partition in disk |
| 10:57.51 | user0 | backup is in sda |
| 10:58.01 | user0 | and i am trying to backup sda from sda |
| 10:58.20 | user0 | and my disk is not unmounted and i think a cannot unmount it |
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| 10:58.44 | slax0r | wait, you want to create a backup from a running system, and then restore it on the same system? why?! |
| 10:58.48 | user0 | i have access to console but cannot put cd-rom in drive to boot live |
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| 10:59.34 | user0 | i already created a backup from a running system. the problem is that system crashed, so i create a clean install and now i want to backup the old version with confs |
| 11:00.04 | user0 | i dont want to recreate all work i did past week |
| 11:00.13 | slax0r | then create a bootable usb and do recoverey there |
| 11:00.15 | user0 | If i can just backup it it will be a lot faster |
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| 11:00.42 | user0 | i have access to console through http interface |
| 11:00.50 | user0 | i have no physical access to vm |
| 11:01.02 | user0 | only screen/keyboard |
| 11:01.57 | user0 | By the way : is it normal that my sda file can be compressed by 2Gio to 2Mio with xz ? that's sound weird |
| 11:02.48 | slax0r | it depends |
| 11:02.53 | slax0r | is your original drive 2G big? |
| 11:03.11 | user0 | 20G big |
| 11:03.15 | user0 | but its not full |
| 11:03.31 | slax0r | are you sure you cloned the right device? |
| 11:03.31 | user0 | but its not possible that's only 2M hard drive ... |
| 11:03.39 | slax0r | and I say clone very specifically, because that's what dd does |
| 11:03.59 | slax0r | it "copies" the empty blocks as well(that's why you can see "insane" compression, because of a lot of empty sapce) |
| 11:04.18 | slax0r | so if you cloned a 20G drive, the uncompressed clone should be 20G big |
| 11:04.20 | slax0r | and not 2G |
| 11:04.53 | slax0r | what bothers me, if you are restoring to a device and reboot and still get the previous state, at the very least you should corrupt the drive to which you are restoring |
| 11:04.54 | user0 | maybe my client as disconnected while copying |
| 11:05.03 | user0 | shit client Wi-Fi sleep mode |
| 11:05.29 | user0 | well i think i lost everything ... |
| 11:07.05 | slax0r | dd is very inefective when creating backups, I suggest you look into other solutions |
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| 11:21.53 | versuchsanstalt | Where can I find deb packages for 8.3? I need a specific package and may have to test different versions. |
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| 11:22.40 | iodev | versuchsanstalt: hallo, wie gehts? |
| 11:23.20 | versuchsanstalt | iodev: moinsen. sehr gut, inspiriert, angestrengt. :-) |
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| 11:25.25 | versuchsanstalt | a little off twtdi tho |
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| 11:33.35 | babilen | dpkg: snapshot |
| 11:33.35 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:33.38 | babilen | versuchsanstalt: ^ |
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| 12:42.54 | JustASlacker | so |
| 12:42.57 | Ormu | hello, does anyone here have experience on compiling Wine from source |
| 12:42.59 | Ormu | ? |
| 12:43.07 | JustASlacker | if I have a bunch of machines and my own debian mirror |
| 12:43.21 | JustASlacker | do I overwrite sources.list or add it to sources.d |
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| 12:44.34 | eck | either |
| 12:44.37 | eck | do what makes you happiest |
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| 12:47.42 | JustASlacker | oh |
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| 12:53.01 | Ormu | I'm trying to build Wine from sources and I'm having problems with these dependencies: https://bpaste.net/show/3ba780fb424c |
| 12:53.44 | BanHammor | how are you building it? |
| 12:54.35 | user0 | https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-resize-ext4-root-partition-live-without-umount |
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| 12:54.56 | user0 | What do you think about this ... it just makes me crash again fsck not working |
| 12:55.13 | user0 | I tried to reduce partition |
| 12:55.17 | user0 | To create a new one |
| 12:55.28 | Ormu | by following this --> https://wiki.winehq.org/Building_Wine#Shared_WoW64 but without setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH as I was instructed to not set it. Wine version is 3.0-rc6 |
| 12:56.34 | jelly | user0: growing and shrinking filesystems and partitions have to be done in inverse order |
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| 12:56.49 | Ormu | many other 32-bit (:i386) development packages can be installed without problems. But these cannot. |
| 12:57.09 | jelly | user0: if you shrink an underlying partition first without shrinking the filesystem, you will have broken the filesystem |
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| 12:58.31 | jelly | user0: also, shrinking ext4 is strictly an offline task, so you need to boot a livecd or something to be able to shrink your / filesystem. It cannot be done while mounted at all. |
| 13:00.07 | Ormu | BanHammor: by following this --> https://wiki.winehq.org/Building_Wine#Shared_WoW64 but without setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH as I was instructed to not set it. Wine version is 3.0-rc6 |
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| 13:02.53 | BanHammor | i don't see that chapter having any apt-get install directions |
| 13:03.49 | Ormu | BanHammor: yes, but running configure (for 32-bit Wine) prints these warnings: https://bpaste.net/show/73f1c6ca2f6a |
| 13:04.07 | user0 | jelly: So i think i will do files backups next time, does tar cvzf preserver permissions and file owners on files folders ? |
| 13:04.29 | BanHammor | Ormu, use apt-get build-dep wine |
| 13:04.48 | BanHammor | and generally, see how Debian packages it for x64 |
| 13:05.24 | Ormu | BanHammor: I already did that |
| 13:06.52 | Ormu | there were many more warnings but I managed to resolve them by installing the corresponding libXXX-dev:i386 packages. But these remaining packages can't be installed without removing a bunch of other packages: https://bpaste.net/show/3ba780fb424c |
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| 13:08.12 | Ormu | (pcap, libsane etc. are not necessary at the moment) |
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| 13:10.18 | jelly | user0: maybe use LVM for / and leave lots of free space in LVM VG. That way you can _extend_ that and any other filesystem if you need more space, and that action can be done online. |
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| 13:15.50 | BanHammor | Ormu, can you compile the Debian-provided wine? e.g. dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc? |
| 13:16.58 | Ormu | BanHammor: I'm not sure. I can try. But what's wrong with those packages I mentioned? Why some :i386 packages can be installed without problems but others cannot? |
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| 13:17.45 | BanHammor | because some have been built multilib aware and some haven't |
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| 13:18.24 | Ormu | I see. Is there a reason why some packages haven't been built that way? |
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| 13:20.24 | BanHammor | probably developers not getting around to fixing them |
| 13:20.49 | BanHammor | i'm not a developer myself, im just guessing |
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| 13:24.50 | slax0r | is there a way to search which package contains a specific file? |
| 13:25.15 | Ormu | BanHammor: hm, ok. |
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| 13:30.26 | alkisg | slax0r: packages.debian.org has a text box where you can do that |
| 13:30.35 | jelly | slax0r: installed: dpkg -S /bin/ls |
| 13:30.54 | jelly | slax0r: not installed? /msg judd file bin/ls |
| 13:31.04 | jelly | also |
| 13:31.07 | jelly | !apt-file |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 13:31.36 | slax0r | thanks! |
| 13:31.46 | MikeDebian | hello all. I've a server running debian 8 with software raid and after some of the latest kernel updates I can't boot it up anymore. the error is "gave up waiting for root device", no root device found, etc. It seems a grub issue. I'm now struggling to reinstall grub with the raid. Can someone help me please? |
| 13:36.11 | alkisg | MikeDebian: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999, to show your partition layout |
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| 13:38.52 | Ormu | BanHammor: should i report these non-multiarch-aware packages to Debian bug tracker or something? |
| 13:39.38 | BanHammor | yeah |
| 13:41.39 | Ormu | BanHammor: Ok. Is the reportbug tool the proper way to do it? Should I report them one by one or all at once? |
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| 13:42.11 | MikeDebian | alkisg, how can I even run such command? |
| 13:42.22 | Ormu | Would the fixes appear in Stretch repos or only testing/unstable? |
| 13:42.47 | BanHammor | not a developer, no clue. |
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| 13:43.55 | alkisg | MikeDebian: from whatever live cd you're trying to fix it from |
| 13:43.58 | Ormu | hm |
| 13:44.01 | MikeDebian | I'm left with a "grub shell" |
| 13:44.09 | tsglove | hello... where could I download DebianUnstable? I am searching for the page, yet I'm a lost: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 13:45.08 | MikeDebian | I've here a 8.5 debian radio blend live cd |
| 13:45.11 | MikeDebian | let me try |
| 13:45.14 | BanHammor | tsglove, install stable, change /etc/apt/sources.list, enjoy the bugs :P |
| 13:45.26 | tsglove | BanHammor, ahh... I thought there was a .iso |
| 13:45.28 | tsglove | ok |
| 13:45.39 | tsglove | yeah, I just want to test it out with the latest plasma' |
| 13:48.28 | MikeDebian | alkisg, http://termbin.com/q5kf |
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| 13:49.36 | Baltazar | hey folks |
| 13:49.44 | Baltazar | I've just installed debian for the first time |
| 13:49.54 | Baltazar | sudo apt-get update doesn't work ... lol |
| 13:50.39 | tds | Baltazar: how doesn't it work? any error messages? |
| 13:50.40 | Baltazar | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/ |
| 13:50.47 | Baltazar | go read bud... -ok... |
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| 13:51.45 | babilen | Baltazar: What happens if you try? |
| 13:51.46 | Baltazar | yep, error msg... bash: sudo: command not found |
| 13:51.53 | babilen | Did you install/configure sudo? |
| 13:52.52 | babilen | I guess you didn't .. if you want to use sudo you might want to consider installing it by becoming root (e.g. 'su -') and running "apt install sudo" |
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| 13:53.06 | babilen | dpkg: sudoers |
| 13:53.06 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 13:53.16 | babilen | Might also come in handy |
| 13:53.41 | Baltazar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.44 | babilen | Baltazar: In general: if you want to use software you'd have to install it and Debian might be a bit more minimal than other distributions you're used to |
| 13:54.02 | babilen | sudo would have been configured for your account if you hadn't provided a root passworet |
| 13:54.06 | babilen | +speling |
| 13:54.54 | Baltazar | interesting... yes it's much more bare than I'm used. It doesn't have adduser, nor dkpg :\ |
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| 14:15.14 | metastable | Um... |
| 14:15.35 | metastable | Those are core utilities in Debian. If your install doesn't have those, then something is amiss. |
| 14:15.42 | babilen | Baltazar: It should have both adduser and dpkg |
| 14:17.57 | alkisg | Baltazar: spelling, dpkg, not dkpg. Also adduser is in /usr/sbin, so you don't have it in your path. Use "su -" first to become root. |
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| 14:24.10 | jubo2 | Uptime: 271 days |
| 14:24.13 | jubo2 | .. nice |
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| 14:25.07 | jubo2 | and it is a Debian 8 server I'm retiring soon due to getting 2 pcs Debian 9 servers on a moderner platform |
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| 14:25.25 | jubo2 | One dedicated to Consumerium.org development and one server for the other junk |
| 14:26.46 | metastable | jubo2: That would imply that you haven't performed a kernel update in nine months? |
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| 14:36.32 | Almtesh | Hello! |
| 14:36.52 | Almtesh | Anyone knows where I can find documentation or examples for python3-libapt? |
| 14:39.19 | Almtesh | I'd like to install package from backports and I don't know how to do this. |
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| 14:40.28 | gpunk | is one related to the other ? |
| 14:40.53 | Almtesh | Yes, of course, I know how to install from backports with apt. |
| 14:41.38 | Almtesh | With the /stretch-backports of the -t stretch-backports option. |
| 14:42.04 | Almtesh | But it seems to not work with python3 apt library. |
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| 15:45.33 | hans__ | does this channel have a seen bot? |
| 15:45.56 | erkana | Hello, I wonder if enabling 32 bit arch will cause any problems or performance issues? It's required for wine https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
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| 15:47.00 | hans__ | erkana, it will cause increased disk space usage, because it will install a shitton of 32bit AND 64bit libs at the same time. also, anything in /etc/ld.so.preload will probably not work in 32bit programs (or wise-versa) |
| 15:47.17 | hans__ | err, vise-versa? i forgot how to spell it |
| 15:47.52 | toruvinn | (vice-versa) |
| 15:48.04 | hans__ | erkana, good news is, if its just temporary, removing all 32bit libs is super easy, just apt remove --purge *:386 or something, iirc |
| 15:48.07 | toruvinn | (but it's obvious what you mean anyway, so...) |
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| 15:49.28 | erkana | hans__, disk space usage is not a problem but having all 32 and 64 bit packages is not looking to be good, system will be dirty I guess. Will removing 32bit packages cause wine to stop working? |
| 15:50.02 | jhutchins_wk | erkana: There aren't any currently known issues with dual-arch, it's been in use for a while. |
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| 15:58.37 | erkana | hans__, jhutchins_wk thank you very much for the information |
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| 16:01.27 | somiaj | erkana: only libaries are multi-arch, all other apps you have to choose to either have the 32bit or 64bit binary, not both at the same time (there are very rare exceptions to this) |
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| 16:03.58 | dionysus69 | hey all |
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| 16:04.34 | dionysus69 | I need a tool that would let me pause multiple system cronjobs without stoping cron service |
| 16:04.50 | dionysus69 | I guess I need a cron GUI, do you have any suggestions? |
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| 16:05.29 | fiet | cd /et |
| 16:05.38 | fiet | oops. Once again. |
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| 16:07.48 | Nawab | hello |
| 16:07.51 | Nawab | ,v opencl |
| 16:07.53 | judd | No package named 'opencl' was found in amd64. |
| 16:08.09 | Nawab | which package provides the opencl c headers ? |
| 16:08.39 | Nawab | libclc-dev opencl-c-headers opencl-clhpp-headers |
| 16:08.44 | Nawab | i tried this |
| 16:10.33 | fiet | apt search opencl | grep headers |
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| 16:17.43 | dionysus69 | so theres no decent tool for easily toggling cronjobs? |
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| 16:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | dionysus69: vi |
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| 16:29.44 | hexnewbie | Hi. How can I find what's the source of ‘findutils : Breaks: mc (< 3:4.8.11-1) but 3:4.7.0.9-1 is to be installed’? I can't see any mention of mc or midnight in the findutils page for Stretch, or its changelog for that matter (I was in more interested in the changelog, to know what to expect when I build a package with a fake version for this) |
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| 16:33.02 | C-o-r-E | I'm running a debian install in a container and I'm wondering why it never has any updates |
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| 16:33.25 | C-o-r-E | i've probably done something obvious or silly |
| 16:33.32 | C-o-r-E | but i'm drawing a blank.... |
| 16:33.50 | jelly | hexnewbie: the source of things like that is usually "user tried to mix different releases of Debian" |
| 16:33.50 | alkisg | Put your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin |
| 16:34.08 | C-o-r-E | alkisg: standby |
| 16:34.13 | jelly | hexnewbie: /msg dpkg basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:34.24 | hexnewbie | jelly: I only have Stretch in my sources. But I want mc from Squeeze (rebuilt by me or otherwise) |
| 16:35.11 | C-o-r-E | http://codepad.org/0vFJE4VG |
| 16:35.29 | jelly | hexnewbie: ok, so then also "user did not try to mix REPOS for different releases, only some PACKAGES for different releases" |
| 16:37.36 | jelly | hexnewbie: which problem are you trying to solve by installing horribly old mc? |
| 16:38.53 | jelly | C-o-r-E: you shouldn't be using "stable" in sources.list, replace it with a specific codename. |
| 16:39.08 | jelly | C-o-r-E: see /msg dpkg stretch sources.list |
| 16:39.24 | jelly | for a set of repos for debian 9 (stretch) release |
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| 16:39.45 | hexnewbie | jelly: Upstream bug https://midnight-commander.org/ticket/2900 (Failed to run: Cannot create /home/.config/mc directory), which has existed since they introduced XDG locations for config files |
| 16:40.00 | C-o-r-E | jelly: oh I'll try to fix that then! |
| 16:41.49 | hexnewbie | Also reported in Debian, under https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688683 |
| 16:41.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/688683 in mc (forwarded, upstream, confirmed): «mc: not runnable without $HOME»; severity: minor; opened: 2012-09-24; last modified: 2015-01-12. |
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| 16:42.26 | jelly | hexnewbie: uh, work around it by setting HOME to a writable dir? |
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| 16:43.37 | C-o-r-E | jelly: i replaced stable with stretch and the result seems to be the same |
| 16:43.54 | jelly | C-o-r-E: did you read the stuff from dpkg bot |
| 16:44.05 | jelly | C-o-r-E: you're missing the security repo |
| 16:44.16 | hexnewbie | jelly: I will investigate this an option, yes. |
| 16:44.22 | C-o-r-E | yes let me double check |
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| 16:46.08 | C-o-r-E | jelly: you were correct about the security one |
| 16:46.16 | elc79 | Hi guys |
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| 16:46.45 | C-o-r-E | :) |
| 16:46.59 | elc79 | when i connect mi laptop to the tv via hdmi cable the screen dont show well |
| 16:47.24 | elc79 | i dont see the windows only the wallpaper, how can i fix this? |
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| 16:57.21 | BanHammor | elc79, gonna take a wild guess: the display is set to "additional display" to the left or right of your main one. what you're looking for is setting it up for "clone" |
| 16:57.38 | BanHammor | are you using GNOME/KDE? |
| 16:57.47 | elc79 | xfce |
| 16:58.53 | elc79 | BanHammopr |
| 16:58.57 | elc79 | BanHammor_ |
| 16:59.12 | BanHammor | i don't remember what monitor settings there are in XFCE. |
| 16:59.25 | elc79 | BanHammor: with arandr i can do it |
| 16:59.35 | elc79 | but mirror screens |
| 16:59.53 | BanHammor | i don't remember the specifics of setting this up, sorry |
| 17:00.05 | BanHammor | i'm no more useful than you at googling this |
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| 17:00.23 | elc79 | not problem mate, thanks for your time |
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| 18:58.44 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 19:00.01 | mpo | raynold: It is. It is indeed! |
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| 19:02.56 | Sepultura | Hallo |
| 19:03.21 | Sepultura | Are there so "Out-Of-Box" DHCP Software for experiments in VMs? |
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| 19:04.57 | alkisg | Sepultura: you mean a dhcp server? Sure, there are plenty, isc-dhcp, dnsmasq... |
| 19:06.16 | Sepultura | alkisg, I mean similar to Serva in Windows or TFTPD (which is only useful if you are testing in VM). 10 sek settings and a GUI showing all requests from other OS'es |
| 19:07.20 | alkisg | Well you can configure dnsmasq in a few minutes, and you can see all the requests in a text file, but I don't know of any GUIs |
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| 19:07.42 | alkisg | But, VMs do also provide dhcp servers, e.g. virtualbox even has a GUI for it |
| 19:08.13 | Sepultura | alkisg, but can I setup it for PXE? |
| 19:08.24 | alkisg | Sure, it includes dhcp, dns, tftp, proxydhcp etc |
| 19:08.32 | alkisg | It can be a pxe server by itself |
| 19:09.18 | alkisg | Virtualbox also can be a pxe server |
| 19:11.11 | alkisg | See a pxe server configuration example there: https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/tree/server/doc/examples/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf |
| 19:11.20 | alkisg | That's what we use in ltsp.org to netboot clients |
| 19:12.30 | Sepultura | alkisg, is there a possibility to detect rogue dhcp server in a network without generating huge traffic? |
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| 19:13.01 | alkisg | Sepultura: sure, just send a dhcp request and check for replies |
| 19:13.08 | alkisg | That's just a few packets |
| 19:14.10 | Sepultura | alkisg, so if you make a server which regularly detects rogue dhcp servers it would not lower the network performance that much? |
| 19:14.44 | alkisg | Indeed. You can also set your dhcp server to be authoritative so that no other servers can function there. |
| 19:14.45 | greycat | how "regularly"? |
| 19:15.24 | alkisg | You can detect a rogue dhcp server by just listening to other PC requests, so no additional traffic at all this way |
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| 19:16.02 | Sepultura | is there a dhcps protocol? |
| 19:16.11 | alkisg | Of course |
| 19:16.19 | alkisg | ah, s=secure? no |
| 19:16.29 | alkisg | I thought you misttyped there :) |
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| 19:16.53 | Sepultura | so the clients will accept only answers from dhcp with special certificate? |
| 19:17.18 | greycat | If you want that, just statically configure each host. |
| 19:17.43 | greycat | by "that", I mean "that level of draconian control". |
| 19:18.28 | metastable | Sepultura: What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 19:18.41 | alkisg | Yeah that's always a good question ^ :) |
| 19:19.05 | Sepultura | metastable, German Wikipedia is calling it: rogue DHCP Spoofing |
| 19:19.18 | dutchfish | just use dhcp-snooping if you care to install capable switches. |
| 19:19.27 | metastable | That's one option. |
| 19:19.43 | dutchfish | (if you are not in a domain controlled net) |
| 19:19.46 | alkisg | Sepultura: you can spoof mac addresses and IPs and everything at that level. So if you want security, it needs to be a level higher than that. |
| 19:19.57 | metastable | But I'll ask again... What problem are you trying to solve? Do you ACTUALLY have someone running an unauthorized DHCP server on your network? |
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| 19:20.45 | Sepultura | metastable, not my network. I just chatted with my boss about it, since the company has a network which allows customers to connect |
| 19:21.14 | Sepultura | and employees who may forget to switch off their dhcp server when they connect to the other |
| 19:21.40 | metastable | Sepultura: 1. Why would employees have their own DHCP server? 2. If the problem is as you describe, DHCP snooping is the correct solution. |
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| 19:22.51 | tds | if you're doing DHCP snooping, you probably also want to do router advertisement filtering as well |
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| 19:24.36 | Wikiwide | Somehow, I removed systemd-networkd from computer. To install NetworkManager or something, I have to connect to Wifi first (or carry laptop to wired Ethernet, worst case). How do I connect to WiFi, having only ifconfig? |
| 19:25.14 | dutchfish | Wikiwide, removed or accedently disabled? |
| 19:25.47 | Wikiwide | sudo service network start doesn't work, so I think removed. Let me ask dpkg... |
| 19:26.38 | Wikiwide | Yes, removed, or I would see it in dpkg -l systemd* |
| 19:26.43 | Sepultura | metastable, they are allowed to use their own pcs. They may use the DHCP Server at home |
| 19:26.51 | dutchfish | Wikiwide, sudo systemctl --all, would tell you. |
| 19:27.08 | Sepultura | metastable, how do you avoid that one client is trying to register more than one IP? |
| 19:27.17 | greycat | I do not think systemd-network* is a separate package at all. |
| 19:27.28 | dutchfish | greycat, correct |
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| 19:27.34 | greycat | In stretch, it's part of "systemd". |
| 19:28.10 | greycat | Also, systemd-networkd is *not* enabled by default. So perhaps you simply never had it running in the first place. |
| 19:28.23 | Wikiwide | Okay, systemd is here, so let's check... |
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| 19:29.01 | Wikiwide | No such method 'ListUnitsFiltered' |
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| 19:32.33 | Wikiwide | Hmm, I was able to run systemd-networkd manually (asked dpkg -L systemd), networkctl doesn't complain. But how to connect to WiFi? |
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| 19:33.35 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:34.01 | greycat | and https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 19:34.46 | metastable | Sepultura: You're talking about them bringing their computer from home to work, right? |
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| 19:36.54 | Sepultura | yes |
| 19:37.43 | metastable | Sepultura: This doesn't magically bring DHCP along. DHCP is a function of their home networking equipment. |
| 19:38.11 | metastable | Sepultura: Their computer will request an IP from the local DHCP server at work. |
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| 19:39.04 | depesz | Hi. where can I find libavcodec54 and libavformat54 packages? or how can I make them so they will work on stretch? |
| 19:39.21 | greycat | ,v libavformat54 |
| 19:39.22 | judd | Package: libavformat54 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1 |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | yeeeesh |
| 19:40.48 | dutchfish | ,v libavformat57 |
| 19:40.49 | judd | Package: libavformat57 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.9-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:3.4.1-1+b2; sid: 7:3.4.1-1+b2; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.6-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:3.4.1-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 10:3.4.1-dmo3 |
| 19:41.00 | depesz | thanks. will look how to get it from there :( |
| 19:42.51 | greycat | The real question is "what are you trying to do?" Normally if you are trying to run a multimedia program, you use the one that comes with your version of Debian. Not some third party random wacko version compiled against obsolete fourth party libs. |
| 19:43.38 | depesz | greycat: i'm running spotify. it works. but when I try to open local files with it, it fails. strace shows that it's trying to open libav{codec,format}{52,53,54} |
| 19:43.46 | depesz | I do have 57 installed |
| 19:45.33 | greycat | and there isn't a newer version of this "spotify" that's compiled against newer libs? |
| 19:45.44 | depesz | that one was downloaded from their site today. |
| 19:46.55 | Wikiwide | Wpasupplicant exited with return code 1, why? |
| 19:47.19 | greycat | 'k, well, there's the wheezy-multimedia thing that judd mentioned. |
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| 19:47.47 | depesz | yeah, but I can't apt-get install from there - some conflicts |
| 19:47.58 | depesz | will try to rebuild libav*54 |
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| 19:48.25 | dutchfish | depesz, spotify-client doesnt need those libs |
| 19:48.42 | depesz | dutchfish: it doesn't need as long as you don't want to play local mp3 files |
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| 19:50.46 | dutchfish | depesz, this is the full rdepends http://paste.debian.net/1007871/ |
| 19:50.58 | Wikiwide | Eap wpa... |
| 19:51.15 | depesz | dutchfish: it's not listed in deb. and not in ldd. |
| 19:51.35 | depesz | dutchfish: but stracing the binary shows that it tries to open these libs, fails, and then shows me message that it can't play local mp3 file |
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| 19:52.44 | dutchfish | depesz, i dont know, i am Debian/testing in with what i pasted, i have a full working setup, which also worked on stretch (with older libs) |
| 19:52.56 | JyZyXEL | what does it mean when you set a bluetooth device as "trusted"? |
| 19:53.00 | depesz | dutchfish: does it play local files for you? |
| 19:53.08 | dutchfish | depesz, yep |
| 19:53.12 | depesz | local, mp3, files? |
| 19:53.24 | dutchfish | depesz, mp3 and others |
| 19:53.28 | depesz | well, it doesn't for me, and I always had this problem |
| 19:54.00 | dutchfish | depesz, wait, you meant cashed files? |
| 19:54.14 | depesz | not cached. |
| 19:54.15 | depesz | local. |
| 19:54.27 | depesz | as in: give it a directory add files from, and then try to play it. |
| 19:54.58 | dutchfish | depesz, you cant, for that i use clementine, which also can be configured to stream from spotify through its client |
| 19:55.11 | depesz | dutchfish: sure I can. i just need to install these 2 librariesd. |
| 19:55.22 | depesz | was doing it, with success, for couple of years. |
| 19:55.31 | dutchfish | depesz, not anymore |
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| 19:55.36 | depesz | but migrated now from ubuntu to debian, and the *54 libs are not there. |
| 19:55.48 | depesz | dutchfish: well, i was playing local mp3 files on spotify, on ubuntu, yesterday. |
| 19:56.04 | dutchfish | depesz, it is not that libs, but the older spotify-client, which is no longer supported |
| 19:56.24 | depesz | not sure what you mean - i have daily updates of spotify client. |
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| 19:56.47 | depesz | and the problem looks *exactly* the same - I see in strace that it tries to access old libav*, which is non existent. |
| 19:56.58 | depesz | when I was able to add these in ubuntu - playback normally worked. |
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| 20:00.20 | depesz | ha. got it. so, dutchfish - sure you can. just downloaded *54 for ubuntu trusty, installed it (along with some other libraries that were on dependencies), and it works |
| 20:00.33 | depesz | so. i don't need clementine, and I can have all my music in one place :) |
| 20:00.47 | depesz | wish we had usable libav*54 somewhere for debian, though. |
| 20:01.00 | dutchfish | depesz, nope, not int there, here is my ldd http://paste.debian.net/1007872/ |
| 20:01.16 | Wikiwide | Super tired. |
| 20:01.16 | depesz | again: it is not listed in ldd. and not in dependencies |
| 20:01.37 | depesz | dutchfish: it is being opened by spotify in some other magical way. no idea why or how. |
| 20:01.59 | dutchfish | depesz, mm... |
| 20:02.23 | greycat | Stuff done by dlopen() won't show up in ldd. |
| 20:02.23 | depesz | http://paste.debian.net/1007873/ |
| 20:02.39 | depesz | this is how i fixed the problem. and now spotify happily plays local files :) |
| 20:03.16 | dutchfish | depesz, as i said, that does not work anymore, it pulls in the old client |
| 20:03.35 | depesz | Spotify version 1.0.69.336.g7edcc575, Copyright (c) 2017, Spotify Ltd |
| 20:03.56 | depesz | not sure what you mean "does not work anymore". I am listening to local mp3 now, with this spotify... |
| 20:04.10 | dutchfish | depesz, you need this in apt `deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free` |
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| 20:04.38 | dutchfish | depesz, as the spotify.list |
| 20:04.41 | depesz | yes, i have it. |
| 20:05.31 | depesz | dutchfish: is there any particular reason why you keep insisting that I don't have things i have, and that "it doesn't work" when I clearly hear that it works? |
| 20:05.37 | dutchfish | depesz, can you paste your ldd output please? |
| 20:06.12 | depesz | http://paste.debian.net/1007874/ |
| 20:06.29 | dutchfish | depesz, not from local files (anymore), except from the cashed storage. |
| 20:06.31 | Psy-Q | i have an issue in debian 9 with plasma. entering umlauts or other accented characters in a gtk2 text box results in nothing being entered. the same in gtk3 or qt works. under gnome it works as well in all three toolkits |
| 20:06.41 | depesz | dutchfish: I AM PLAYING LOCAL FILES WITH NEW SPOTIFY |
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| 20:07.27 | depesz | sorry, i have no idea how to convince you. had a problem, solved it. it works. |
| 20:07.54 | dutchfish | ok |
| 20:08.13 | dutchfish | depesz, btw your bin is different |
| 20:08.27 | depesz | it was installed today from spotify repo. |
| 20:08.53 | dutchfish | no idea then |
| 20:09.03 | depesz | as i said: it's enough to add these 2 libraries. |
| 20:09.14 | depesz | dutchfish: try it yourself, and you'll see. |
| 20:11.16 | Psy-Q | bizarre: when i start the app from inside a Konsole, it works |
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| 20:51.46 | tevaughan | I keep seeing "smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session opened for user by (uid=0)" in the auth log on one of my machines. |
| 20:52.11 | tevaughan | Even though I am not logging in or accessing a share. |
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| 20:52.41 | tevaughan | The messages seem to come in bursts of three or four at a time, a few times a day. |
| 20:53.08 | tevaughan | I haven't found a good reason for this on via google search. |
| 20:53.28 | tevaughan | I am wondering whether to make a logcheck rule to exclude these messages, or whether they reflect something that I should fix. |
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| 20:59.50 | soulz | ;5~ |
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| 21:07.40 | tevaughan | The problem described above is on debian stretch by the way. |
| 21:08.08 | tevaughan | Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 21:18.23 | k-man | i'm trying to re-install the jessie backports of zfs-dkms but my system says there is no package available |
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| 21:18.56 | greycat | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 21:18.57 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.4-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.5-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.5-1; sid/contrib: 0.7.5-1 |
| 21:19.10 | greycat | make sure you've got "contrib" on the jessie-backports line |
| 21:19.24 | k-man | ah |
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| 21:22.16 | dutchfish | greycat, depesz is gone, but he was right, however, i dont like to mess with that old stuff, just to be able to open local files. i wonder it is possible to repack that deb |
| 21:22.45 | greycat | I know nothing about it. It's a third party binary that I've never used. |
| 21:22.55 | dutchfish | right |
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| 21:25.23 | k-man | can i somehow tell apt to always install zfs-dkms from jessie-backports? so i don't have to specify -t jessie-backports when updating/installing it? |
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| 21:25.33 | k-man | does it make sense to even do that? |
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| 21:28.32 | zerocool | kde update thing is like "you have updates" but will not update and i can't do it manually because the fricking kde gui one is pretending to do it |
| 21:29.32 | greycat | My solution was to remove the packagekit package so it would stop doing that. But that may not be the answer for everybody. |
| 21:29.58 | greycat | A slightly less intrusive answer is to stop and disable the packagekit service. |
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| 21:30.40 | dude42 | hi there, is it recommended to report debian bugs with a throwaway email account to prevent your email address from getting spammed ? |
| 21:32.00 | zerocool | i did `watch 'sudo ps -aux | grep apt'` and waited for it to stop whatever it was doing... still so annoying that i always have this issue... i may actually remove packagekit |
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| 21:32.07 | zerocool | if that's what this gui is |
| 21:33.45 | tevaughan | k-man, 'man apt_preferences' describes how to pin a package to a particular release, etc. You can make a file under /etc/apt/preferences.d to control that. |
| 21:35.11 | jhutchins_wk | k-man: Once you've installed the backports package you don't have to do anything to keep pulling it from backports. |
| 21:35.28 | jhutchins_wk | k-man: Unless you purge it and re-install the stable one. |
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| 21:59.39 | SuperTramp83 | dude42: I have my email posted on several websites, I actually miss spam. No one ever sends spam to me. I'm starting to worry. |
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| 22:03.11 | dude42 | SuperTramp83, haha thanks |
| 22:03.31 | DammitJim | if I want to drive a 4k monitor |
| 22:03.39 | DammitJim | actually a 4k TV with my debian machine |
| 22:03.48 | DammitJim | can I use 3840x... @ 29Hz? |
| 22:03.53 | DammitJim | or is that not recommended? |
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| 22:06.47 | SuperTramp83 | dude42: you are welcome, although I don't see how much I helped you. But to stay on topic, I like to imagine all those spammers, every single one has my picture in their office saying 'this guy doesn't buy shit, do not waste time' :) |
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| 22:07.16 | annadane | dude42, reportbug does warn you about this |
| 22:07.23 | annadane | may as well set up a throwaway, if you're so inclined |
| 22:08.04 | k-man | thanks tevaughan and jhutchins |
| 22:08.39 | metastable | I'm fine with getting spammed. I just forward it all to our spam filter. Train that sucker. |
| 22:09.44 | k-man | so i'm trying to purge all the zfs packages and re-install because i think jessie-backports moved to different packages, howerver it wants to remove grub. this makes me nervous: https://paste.debian.net/1007890/ |
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| 22:11.20 | SuperTramp83 | metastable: I like your philosophy very much! |
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| 22:15.57 | dude42 | annadane, any recommendations for a throwaway email provider ? I tried using guerrillamail.com, but it got rejected (possibly because it sent HTML email, there was no option to explicitly send plain text). And I don't want to "verify" my account with google. |
| 22:16.26 | bolt | metastable: it'll eventually figure out that what classifies emails as spam is that they're forwarded by you. |
| 22:16.27 | annadane | protonmail has free account options |
| 22:16.44 | bolt | dude42: mailinator |
| 22:16.49 | dude42 | annadane, thanks, didn't know that |
| 22:16.52 | metastable | bolt: If I can somehow spin that to not get email, or always be able to blame the spam filter... Mission accomplished. |
| 22:16.55 | dude42 | thanks bolt |
| 22:19.08 | SuperTramp83 | dude42: cock.li \o/ |
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| 22:22.14 | dracc | I can't seem to get scripts in if-up.d running. Any pointers on what to do? |
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| 22:25.13 | dracc | Forgot the 'chmod +x' command. Sorry! |
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| 22:28.26 | dracc | Didn't help though. :( |
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| 22:31.01 | LeoNerd | Hello all. Trying to debug an intermittent wifi problem on my laptop (Lenovo X220; Centrino Wireless-N 1000 card). Sometimes it gets itself stuck in a state where packet transmission is verymuch delayed - e.g. comparing tcpdump on laptop vs. the upstream router shows it can take 30 seconds to transmit a packet. Receipt is always fast though. I don't know what triggers this state, but observe that sometimes it >> |
| 22:31.01 | LeoNerd | << just fixes itself in a few minutes, or if not I can dis/reassociate and then it's OK again for a while |
| 22:31.46 | LeoNerd | It's intermittent - sometimes it can last many hours or even a couple of days without happening. Other times it could begin again within a few minutes or even seconds of my fixing it the previous time, and so far I've not worked out any kind of trigger for it.. it appears to be random. Does anyone have any suggestion on how I begin to fix this? |
| 22:32.03 | dracc | LeoNerd, I had the same problem a while ago. Not sure what fixed it though. I think I replaced my router? |
| 22:32.09 | dracc | accesspoint* |
| 22:32.10 | TheHeatPasteGuy | Does this occur on different access points? |
| 22:32.49 | LeoNerd | Hrm.. not that I've noticed, but I work from home most days, so it's rare I'm out elsewhere - usually coffee shops, the makerlab, etc... often I don't have the laptop with me |
| 22:33.20 | LeoNerd | The AP for reference, is an UniFi - the round spaceship thing with the green ring on it. I've many other devices at home, and none others ever show this problem. Just my laptop |
| 22:34.11 | LeoNerd | I did try buying a new Centrino card, but suffer the annoying Lenovo BIOS whitelist problem and the machine refuses to boot without the special Lenovo-branded version :( |
| 22:34.28 | LeoNerd | So I haven't been able to successfully swap the card yet |
| 22:34.53 | dracc | LeoNerd: It might be worth looking into custom bios. I have a x220 myself, custom bios works fine on it. |
| 22:35.16 | dracc | What kernel version are you running? |
| 22:35.18 | LeoNerd | Yeah; I've seen that some exist. Been a bit afraid to try it out, but I guess I could look into it if people think it's reliable enough |
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| 22:35.44 | LeoNerd | 4.14.0-3-amd64 though I'm sure it's been doing this since many earlier versions... even down at the 3.x series |
| 22:35.58 | TheHeatPasteGuy | By transmission delays do you mean package drop? |
| 22:36.10 | dude42 | annadane, protonmail was suprisingly easy to register, only a captcha required and it includes the ability to send emails. thanks for that ! |
| 22:36.23 | LeoNerd | TheHeatPasteGuy: no, that's the weird thing. If I just leave a "ping" process running it never seems to /drop/ packets. They just get delayed. Massively so |
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| 22:37.17 | LeoNerd | I compare ICMP sequence numbers generated by ping. I can see my laptop try to transmit them (according to tcpdump), 1, 2, 3, etc... then maybe 20 or 30 seconds later, the router starts receiving them. It replies, and those replies turn up quickly back at the laptop where ping starts printing them, quoting a roundtrip time around that 20 to 30 second mark |
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| 22:37.42 | LeoNerd | Packets do /occasionally/ get lost, but quite rare. If nothing else is trying to transmit at the time then it's usually pretty reliable. Just very delayed |
| 22:38.02 | SuperTramp83 | dude42: too bad you didn't go for cock.li. No captcha, no nothing, not even javascript is required. I'm disappointed. |
| 22:38.24 | dude42 | SuperTramp83, haha sorry only saw that now |
| 22:38.35 | SuperTramp83 | :P |
| 22:39.11 | dracc | LeoNerd, FWIW I use the BIOS linked in this ( http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/ ) guide. :) |
| 22:39.31 | TheHeatPasteGuy | The other devices you are using to connect to the ap are linux / debian machines as well? |
| 22:39.38 | LeoNerd | Not having any sort of radio tracer I can't really watch packets over the air, so I can't really see where the delay comes in, I just know it's somewhere after laptop's tcpdump sees the packet and before router's [which is another Debian Linux box attached to UniFi] |
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| 22:40.38 | LeoNerd | dracc: Oh, hrm. One I saw required actual harwdare access - applying a SOIC8 test clip to the flash chip on the board and using a second machine to write into it directly |
| 22:41.10 | dracc | Wow, that's nothing I've ever heard about. Then again, I'm just a lowly hobbyist. :D |
| 22:41.18 | TheHeatPasteGuy | yeah bios flashing isn't something done that easily. |
| 22:41.48 | dracc | When there's a BIOS readily available it doesn't have to be that hard, though. :D |
| 22:42.32 | LeoNerd | OK well I could try that and then swap the card, see if that helps. If it doesn't, then what other ideas might come? |
| 22:42.32 | TheHeatPasteGuy | recently flashed coreboot on my t420. was a pain in the ass because the chip so hard to access |
| 22:42.53 | LeoNerd | Oh I've had the machine apart entirely many times. I replaced the heatsink/fan combination a few months ago.. much quieter now |
| 22:43.10 | dracc | TheHeatPasteGuy, Oh, nice. I want to use CoreBoot too but lack the guts in case something goes wrong. :( |
| 22:44.27 | dracc | LeoNerd, Traffic shaping? Dunno actually. |
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| 22:44.47 | TheHeatPasteGuy | LeoNerd: Just an idea; Maybe try running a bleeding edge OS as live USB and see if it still happens. maybe its a driver bug that has been fixed in newer releases |
| 22:45.14 | TheHeatPasteGuy | would be a starting point |
| 22:45.23 | LeoNerd | TheHeatPasteGuy: It's *possible* but given I'm running 4.14.0-3 right now and it's been happening for .. maybe a year now, that does seem a chance of luck that it's just been fixed |
| 22:45.54 | hassoon | heck why do i get this error when i want to apt-get update, does the teaviewer repository in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list represent an issue ? |
| 22:46.37 | mutante | likely yes |
| 22:46.52 | TheHeatPasteGuy | LeoNerd: So you had the issue, swapped the ap, it worked for some time and then happened again? |
| 22:47.19 | LeoNerd | Hrm.. BIOS update has a bootable CD image. I wonder how I boot that |
| 22:48.08 | TheHeatPasteGuy | dracc: yup, I had help from the lovely coreboot guys at 34c3. I'm not sure if I'd risked it on my own :D |
| 22:48.44 | hassoon | E: GPG error: http://linux.teamviewer.com stable InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?) |
| 22:48.47 | hassoon | that's the error |
| 22:49.56 | dracc | LeoNerd, Oh, I almost forgot. :D That was an interesting night. |
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| 22:50.47 | dracc | LeoNerd, I think I booted with PXE and memdisk, although there ought to be a way to put it on a USB drive. |
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| 22:59.44 | TheHeatPasteGuy | hassoon: can you paste your teamviewer.list? |
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| 23:00.53 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: here: http://paste.debian.net/1007905/ |
| 23:02.58 | dracc | I get 403 Access Denied. |
| 23:03.08 | dracc | On the teamviewer repo, that is. |
| 23:03.42 | TheHeatPasteGuy | yep, same |
| 23:04.32 | TheHeatPasteGuy | I would just remove the teamviewer repo and install it via the deb file if you still need it. |
| 23:05.42 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: you mean i should remove the teamviewer repo list and just install any newer version via a fresh .deb file ? |
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| 23:06.02 | TheHeatPasteGuy | yes |
| 23:06.14 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: okey why not |
| 23:06.18 | TheHeatPasteGuy | remove it and run apt update. |
| 23:06.24 | TheHeatPasteGuy | if that works you're good |
| 23:06.35 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: that's why i hate third-part outer software :/ |
| 23:06.39 | [Ketchup] | hi, i'd like to make the switch to debian from ubuntu, but my wireless doesn't work in debian as the driver is listed under non-free, is it just as simple as downloading the non-free package / installing it and my wireless will work? |
| 23:06.45 | hassoon | * third-party * |
| 23:06.48 | TheHeatPasteGuy | it seems they don't really take care of their repo anyway |
| 23:07.01 | TheHeatPasteGuy | Ketchep: yes |
| 23:07.15 | TheHeatPasteGuy | mostly |
| 23:07.16 | dracc | [Ketchup], Yeah, something like that. might want to add the non-free repo in your sources.list also. :) |
| 23:07.32 | annadane | TheHeatPasteGuy, look into tab completion for nickname notification |
| 23:07.40 | [Ketchup] | TheHeatPasteGuy / dracc : thank you very much :) |
| 23:08.21 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: he might want to see the compatibility of his wifi card with the nonfree driver in debian-site's section for that |
| 23:09.02 | dracc | [Ketchup], No problem. GLHF! |
| 23:09.11 | TheHeatPasteGuy | hassoon: as I understood his specific driver is listed on non-free so it probably shouldn't be a problem :D |
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| 23:09.31 | TheHeatPasteGuy | annadane: thanks, new irc client |
| 23:09.46 | hassoon | TheHeatPasteGuy: well if he meant that , then we're fine :v |
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| 23:10.14 | hassoon | i'm still on jessie, dunno why i have no intention to upgrade to stretch |
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| 23:12.38 | TheHeatPasteGuy | hassoon: if you do so, don't forget to run an aptitude purge '~o'. Many "tutorials" just tell you to replace jessie with stretch in your apt sources but that will result in old packages running that don't get any updates. |
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| 23:13.51 | dracc | TheHeatPasteGuy, Are you telling me that 'aptitude autoclean' doesn't take care of that? TIL! |
| 23:14.46 | hassoon | oh snap i should have used 'stable' instead of 'jessie' back when i installed debian a long while ago |
| 23:14.46 | TheHeatPasteGuy | dracc: honestly I'm not sure. But don't think so. |
| 23:15.24 | TheHeatPasteGuy | normally I just use apt, maybe aptitude does stuff a bit different on autoclean |
| 23:16.07 | hassoon | i always use apt-get in fact |
| 23:16.20 | hassoon | i've never used aptitude, only maybe in some occasions |
| 23:16.57 | hassoon | oh hey apt's output is colored, unline apt-get's |
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| 23:17.06 | TheHeatPasteGuy | dracc: upgrading runs pretty smooth in my experience. only had problems on one of my servers but that one is loaded with loads of stuff |
| 23:17.54 | dracc | Yeah, same here. Never heard of aptitude purge '~o' before. Might try it some day. :) |
| 23:18.08 | hassoon | skypeforlinux has its new package in the upgrade, thats cool |
| 23:18.55 | TheHeatPasteGuy | sure. you can do an aptitude search '~o' as well |
| 23:19.41 | TheHeatPasteGuy | shows you all obsolete packages |
| 23:20.20 | dracc | TheHeatPasteGuy, seems to show more than that. :( |
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| 23:21.21 | TheHeatPasteGuy | dracc: well seems like some of your packages are outdated? ;) |
| 23:23.21 | dracc | linux-image-4.15.0 ? Nah, built it about 2 hours ago.. |
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| 23:24.01 | TheHeatPasteGuy | ah ok if you build it yourself that might be |
| 23:25.03 | TheHeatPasteGuy | it shows packages that aren't associated with any repo |
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