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| 00:04.55 | Sveta | unzip appears to be poor at non-utf8 encoding of file names in the archive |
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| 00:10.19 | Bliepo | If anyone has any idea about the dnsmasq problem it would be greatly appreciated (I'm platinum mad!) |
| 00:11.15 | Sveta | hey sorry Bliepo, maybe ask #dnsmasq |
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| 00:11.21 | Sveta | didn't see your question earlier :-) |
| 00:11.38 | Bliepo | Yeah, I guess #dnsmasq is worth a try |
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| 00:13.51 | ryouma | rar is the one that has all the restrictions |
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| 00:14.40 | ryouma | zip works well for me, in my testing of archievers long ago, but it is likely quite imperfect |
| 00:14.58 | ryouma | as are all of them probably |
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| 00:15.17 | Sveta | oops yeah I am wrong, I meant unrar |
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| 00:27.43 | MrKeuner | somiaj, that seems to work when I do sudo service glassfish start. Do I have to do anything other than placing the unit file in /lib/systemd/system to have it executed on boot? |
| 00:28.25 | MrKeuner | I don't see any errors in syslog related to glassfish.service |
| 00:28.36 | MrKeuner | I suspect systemd doesn't execute it |
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| 00:30.00 | Unit193 | As a general rule, packages should install into there, but admins so put them in /etc/systemd/system/ then you'll have to likely daemon-reload and systemctl enable $service |
| 00:30.13 | MrKeuner | ah! got it thanks |
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| 00:33.58 | somiaj | MrKeuner: place it in /etc/systemd/system (/lib/systemd/system is for debian packages to put files) |
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| 00:34.41 | MrKeuner | thanks! |
| 00:34.43 | somiaj | MrKeuner: ahh i'm slow. Also run systemctl daemon-reload after you make changes |
| 00:35.14 | MrKeuner | I am rebooting the system to make sure my script works |
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| 00:41.08 | MrKeuner | where does failed services log? syslog? |
| 00:41.49 | somiaj | MrKeuner: systemctl status unitname |
| 00:42.07 | zennix | MrKeuner: systemctl, journalctl |
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| 00:46.34 | annadane | though journalctl isn't persistent so maybe /var/log/messages and grep unitname |
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| 00:47.12 | annadane | if you want to see the moment that a service stopped functioning though it's a 50/50 guess as to whether it explicitly gets named as such; a failure in one area could affect a certain service |
| 00:47.56 | annadane | there's a comman to list all failed services which i don't remember |
| 00:48.00 | annadane | command* |
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| 00:49.09 | annadane | systemctl --state=failed in sid, not sure about stable |
| 00:52.16 | annadane | i could swear it used to be systemctl list failed, maybe it was changed in sid |
| 00:52.35 | annadane | it'll be in the systemctl man page, in any event |
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| 00:56.52 | annadane | (if you *want* persistent journalctl then mkdir /var/log/journal) |
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| 01:00.06 | MrKeuner | thank you very much. All useful information. |
| 01:00.33 | ryouma | annadane: do we need to do that if we already have messages and syslog and stuff? is it a lot of data? |
| 01:01.27 | annadane | well it's actually not too much data, they're just text files, but no you probably don't need to do that as such, it depends on the use case |
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| 01:01.54 | annadane | but for example if you want to see journalctl pre-current boot then you can't because it only lists the current session |
| 01:02.35 | zennix | annadane: r u sure? |
| 01:02.35 | MrKeuner | glassfish.service: control process exited, code=exited status=217 |
| 01:02.42 | MrKeuner | that's from GF or systemctl? |
| 01:02.45 | MrKeuner | 217 |
| 01:02.55 | annadane | i've not poked around in the differences between messages/syslog/journalctl really, to be able to answer the efficacy of the various approaches in trying to generically find a specific event |
| 01:03.32 | ryouma | it is all p-retty confusing to me |
| 01:03.34 | annadane | there's likely quite a lot of overlap |
| 01:03.41 | annadane | no it is to me too, i'm not an expert |
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| 01:04.26 | ryouma | sorta like the existence of 2 mechanisms for old versions of config files upon upgrade |
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| 01:07.09 | MrKeuner | I am having similar problem with systemd as in init.d |
| 01:07.24 | MrKeuner | sudo systemctl start glassfish works, it runs glassfish as gfuser |
| 01:07.57 | MrKeuner | a systemctl --state=failed after reboot reports failed glassfish |
| 01:08.03 | MrKeuner | error code 217 |
| 01:08.20 | annadane | i think that's probably exit code, not error code, but not sure |
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| 01:09.03 | annadane | this is wild speculation so i oughta shut my trap before i embarras myself |
| 01:10.31 | zennix | MrKeuner: did u try find this error in journalctl? |
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| 01:35.46 | asarch | 'sudo' was not installed on the system when I install pgadmin4 pgadmin4-apache2 and then the system renders into: |
| 01:35.48 | asarch | https://pastebin.com/qwEwh9Da |
| 01:35.52 | asarch | What can I do? |
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| 01:39.16 | annadane | probably install sudo but i don't know too much about apache |
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| 01:40.52 | asarch | Thanks |
| 01:41.03 | asarch | How could I reconfigure the "broken" package? |
| 01:41.38 | annadane | well, first check if it's still broken after installing sudo |
| 01:41.49 | asarch | Nevermind, it is already been do it |
| 01:41.53 | asarch | Thank you annadane |
| 01:41.58 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 01:42.37 | asarch | https://pastebin.com/h8z5J71A |
| 01:45.46 | annadane | that may be a question an apache irc channel would know the answer to more |
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| 01:46.03 | annadane | (that's a convenient way of saying i don't know) |
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| 01:46.21 | dougmencken | damn guys, I still can»t find how to install debian |
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| 01:46.45 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 01:46.50 | Sveta | dougmencken: have you installed debian on the computer before? |
| 01:47.03 | Sveta | dougmencken: if it's a first time maybe you want to try a live cd first |
| 01:47.04 | dougmencken | Sveta: yeah, somewhere in 2013 or so |
| 01:47.21 | dougmencken | Sveta: I canât find debian for MY machie |
| 01:47.28 | dougmencken | Sveta: it is PowerPC |
| 01:47.41 | annadane | powerpc is no longer officially supported |
| 01:47.41 | dougmencken | (and it is not ppc64le) |
| 01:47.55 | dougmencken | annadane: oh wow, but why |
| 01:48.07 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#idm46643652332448 |
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| 01:48.47 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 01:49.17 | dougmencken | annadane: well, okay, so debian guys think that users with mips are more than users with powerpc, hah |
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| 01:50.39 | annadane | debian 8 still supports it but of course full support for THAT ends in june |
| 01:51.04 | dougmencken | annadane: and then what? go with lfs? |
| 01:51.19 | dougmencken | with gentoo? |
| 01:51.30 | dougmencken | who damn made such decision? |
| 01:52.19 | dougmencken | some "big commitee"? |
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| 01:52.37 | annadane | no idea |
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| 01:53.22 | dougmencken | annadane: some voting maybe? anything |
| 01:53.32 | lempamo | ohai |
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| 01:53.46 | annadane | i'm afraid i don't know |
| 01:53.52 | coruja | dougmencken, https://distrowatch.com/search.php?architecture=powerpc#simple |
| 01:53.53 | annadane | someone else may be able to answer |
| 01:53.58 | annadane | like coruja |
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| 01:55.01 | coruja | i don't know exactly either but probably because of too few users and/or too few devs i guess |
| 01:55.19 | dougmencken | coruja: I have my own distro too, http://manulix.wikidot.com/ |
| 01:56.09 | annadane | lists.debian.org probably has the answer somewhere |
| 01:56.11 | dougmencken | coruja: and for mips there are more, and for s390x |
| 01:56.19 | annadane | i don't recall what debian team is responsible for architecture support discussions |
| 01:57.51 | dougmencken | annadane: debian just build packages, and provide servers/bandwidth |
| 01:58.08 | dougmencken | (sure, they do some patches) |
| 01:58.41 | dougmencken | so it is a question about maintainers (or whatever is it called) |
| 02:01.57 | dougmencken | and itâs damn crazy to believe that maintaners for mips, not to say for s390x, are more than for powerpc |
| 02:02.06 | somiaj | dougmencken: a lot depends on volunteers and security support for a stable release. Debian still supports powerppc in its ports with various other ports that aren't part of the offical releases. |
| 02:02.58 | dougmencken | somiaj: it reminds me of fedora, in year 2012 |
| 02:03.04 | dougmencken | and suse |
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| 02:03.24 | dougmencken | they tried to ditch 2nd desktop architecture too |
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| 02:05.43 | somiaj | dougmencken: do you have an actual debian support question in there somewhere? But for the time there are not enough volunteers to support powerppc as an offical port. |
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| 02:07.34 | dougmencken | somiaj: sure, why mips is better than powerpc |
| 02:08.50 | somiaj | that isn't a debian question. It could be some company is running debian on mips and supporting the port. Being a volunteer project, a lot of what debian supports depends on volunteers. But I don't think this is the best place to get the answer of why mips has support in debian and powerppc does not. |
| 02:09.37 | dougmencken | somiaj: which is the better place then |
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| 02:10.29 | somiaj | Maybe a mailing list, or search back through the mailing lists for the discussion on why powerppc was removed from the release. Debian usually documents things. |
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| 02:11.20 | annadane | my principal guess is lack of volunteers to port it |
| 02:11.35 | somiaj | Though I don't see how the answer is going to change much. |
| 02:12.34 | dougmencken | annadane: itâs damn free software, besides low level like kernel, so you just compile it and upload |
| 02:12.52 | dougmencken | no "special volunteering" required |
| 02:13.07 | annadane | well, look, i just said that's a guess |
| 02:13.12 | somiaj | you have a very simplifed view of what it takes to create a debian release. |
| 02:13.13 | dougmencken | okay okay |
| 02:13.15 | annadane | i really don't know why it was removed nor do i know how to check |
| 02:14.04 | annadane | you can perhaps ask on debian-user@lists.debian.org or even on debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org |
| 02:14.13 | dougmencken | somiaj: nights without sex maybe, and supercontracts with mafias like fbi/russian |
| 02:14.13 | coruja | http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-release/2016/debian-release.2016-10-30-20.00.log.html |
| 02:15.07 | annadane | skimming that it appears to be that, lack of porters (aka volunteers) |
| 02:15.15 | dougmencken | hmm |
| 02:15.58 | somiaj | dougmencken: Keep it family friendly. Are you going to volunteer to support powerppc in debian? I just see venting. The answer to your question is powerppc is not an offical relaese with stretch, but you can get it via debian ports as an unoffical release. |
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| 02:18.57 | somiaj | http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-release/2016/debian-release.2016-10-30-20.00.log.html |
| 02:19.21 | dougmencken | somiaj: Iâm as family friendly as I always am (: while Iâm not so stressed... |
| 02:19.29 | annadane | somiaj, scroll up (: |
| 02:19.51 | annadane | thou art multitasking excessively |
| 02:20.03 | somiaj | annadane: not sure what I missed. |
| 02:20.14 | annadane | coruja posted the link |
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| 02:20.33 | dougmencken | so âDSA relies on sponsors for hardware (mild concern)â is an absolute reason to vote for arch |
| 02:20.41 | dougmencken | whatever DSA is |
| 02:20.49 | somiaj | oh missed that, haha |
| 02:21.09 | coruja | somiaj, was worth a try ;) |
| 02:21.19 | somiaj | but yea looks like the problem is most matainers do not think of powerppc when building packages, and there isnt' enough people to file bugs, submit patches, and fix them so they build on powerppc. |
| 02:22.02 | coruja | in short, it's not a matter of users but of long-term dev support for ppc arch |
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| 02:23.03 | somiaj | DSA = debian security anoucment. |
| 02:24.46 | somiaj | and the reason it is a concern, is because if the security team doesn't have any hardware to test on, they cannot provide security support for that arch. |
| 02:24.46 | dougmencken | somiaj: ah yeah, I nevr sent any bug reports, nevar evar made any patches, yeah... or? https://www.google.com/search?q=bugs+debian+dougmencken |
| 02:27.23 | coruja | dougmencken, instead of complaining, contributing to making powerpc an official release arch again next time is the only alternativ here (though not too probable to happen) |
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| 02:28.49 | coruja | and thank you for any contributions to debian so far :) |
| 02:28.50 | dougmencken | coruja: okay, how to begin and with what? |
| 02:29.20 | coruja | dougmencken, ask exactly that on the debian-powerpc mailing list |
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| 02:30.01 | somiaj | dougmencken: the port is still there, and people can still contribute to it, fix bugs, ensure that debian packages build properly for the arch. |
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| 02:31.01 | coruja | maybe there is an irc channel (probably on oftc) too |
| 02:31.15 | somiaj | there is, but I don't think it has many users. |
| 02:31.57 | somiaj | its not like powerppc is dead in debian, it is just not supported as an offical release. (though my experince here is it does add a little complication to installing it) |
| 02:33.13 | dougmencken | and that "debian-release.2016-10-30-20.00.log.html" looks like irc chats of total idiotic oligophrenics |
| 02:33.34 | annadane | dougmencken, this is not a rant channel |
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| 02:34.20 | somiaj | dougmencken: enough, you dont' seem to be intersted in understanding how things work, and just name calling. |
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| 02:38.18 | coruja | dougmencken, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/ |
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| 03:05.47 | symphonesis | !context |
| 03:05.47 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 03:06.02 | symphonesis | !help |
| 03:06.16 | symphonesis | it was a try.. ;) |
| 03:06.44 | symphonesis | how can i see a list of the dpkg-bot's answers? |
| 03:06.58 | annadane | !dpkgbot |
| 03:06.58 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 03:07.07 | annadane | other than that i'm not sure there's a comprehensive list |
| 03:07.30 | annadane | also there's #debian-bots on oftc or /msg the bot if you want to try stuff |
| 03:08.09 | symphonesis | thx, annadane.. :) |
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| 03:09.08 | JeevesMoss | how do I fix "invalid magic number" on a LVM partition? I updated my Debian box, and now it won't boot |
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| 03:48.17 | awal1 | export LESS=-R |
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| 03:48.40 | awal1 | sry |
| 03:48.49 | dvs | !lart awal1 |
| 03:48.49 | dpkg | turns awal1 into a lifesized tux doll |
| 03:49.11 | awal1 | :) |
| 03:49.19 | annadane | stay away from /msg nickserv identify hunter2 |
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| 03:50.44 | awal1 | that is what happens when using terminator and splitting tabs and weechat; I confuse tabs sometimes |
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| 03:52.24 | awal1 | me thinks that if 'terminator' had drop-down feature, that will make (terminator) the most great x terminal emulator |
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| 03:53.20 | Pidgeotto | ... |
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| 04:17.36 | toruvinn | annadane, wait, i recognize that password, was it that github post about removing it from "known passwords lists" to make it more... secure? |
| 04:17.39 | toruvinn | fun times. |
| 04:18.01 | annadane | http://www.bash.org/?244321 |
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| 04:21.13 | toruvinn | this one is so staged, though |
| 04:21.26 | toruvinn | well, just like the github one was "serious" |
| 04:21.38 | annadane | #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 07:18.47 | vlt | Hello. I'd like to use virtualenvwrapper but everytime I try to install it (using apt) it also wants to install python2. Is there a way to avoid that? |
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| 07:21.29 | alkisg | vlt: packages don't run in python3 unless their programmers specifically add support for that |
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| 07:23.05 | vlt | alkisg: I intend to use Python 3 only and packages supporting it. |
| 07:23.22 | vlt | I already have (only) Python3 installed. |
| 07:23.27 | alkisg | Right, so that's not one you can use |
| 07:23.35 | vlt | Ok. |
| 07:23.39 | alkisg | The latest source does support python3 , but not the packaging |
| 07:23.48 | vlt | Thank you :-) |
| 07:24.05 | alkisg | np |
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| 07:29.33 | toolz | hi, I got a 72 core server and I believe I got problems with interrupts balance |
| 07:30.34 | toolz | I am uploading large files to it and there some issues, the file starts to upload from the beginning, and some delay is noticed during the upload on the server, though the server has 500+gb of ram and dual 10g nics |
| 07:30.49 | toolz | anyone who can gimme a help with irqbalance and affinity or stuff like that? |
| 07:33.33 | vlt | toolz: To me these two things seem absolutely unrelated; I have never used a 72 core server, though. How do you "upload" the file? |
| 07:33.43 | tripkin | I see my Thunderbird was upgraded to 52.6.0, but the LIghtning plugin did not get upgraded. Does anyone know where I can get Lightning 5.4.6? |
| 07:34.47 | toolz | vlt: through a web interface located on the server, and there seems that a process ksoftirqd is using 99,99 io, though it does no disk read/write |
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| 07:36.23 | vlt | toolz: There are so many components involved when using a web interface. What drives that interface? Does it try to put the file to /tmp or memory first? ...? |
| 07:36.35 | toolz | vlt: to /tmp |
| 07:36.58 | toolz | there is disk space, there are 2 ssds in software raid, smart values are fine, tests are fine. |
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| 07:38.22 | vlt | toolz: I, personally, would try to isolate the problem. I'd propably try to write a large file using dd (with sane settings) or pv first. Then involving another machine and nc. And so on ... |
| 07:38.34 | toolz | vlt: the thing is uploading smaller files work, if I upload larger files it starts doing this |
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| 07:42.46 | toolz | vlt: writing works fine on the disks |
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| 07:55.36 | sanmarcos | how do I install the updated debian kernel, I have 3.16.0-5-amd64 on Jessie |
| 07:55.40 | sanmarcos | to fix meltdown? |
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| 08:13.39 | Megaf | Morning folks, how do I enable unattended upgrades for security/updates on Stretch? |
| 08:14.57 | alkisg | apt install unattended-upgrades? |
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| 08:18.32 | Megaf | This helps https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 08:18.44 | Megaf | And this too https://www.vultr.com/docs/how-to-set-up-unattended-upgrades-on-debian-9-stretch |
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| 08:27.15 | tripkin | All right, nobody seems to know where the mystical Lightning 5.4.6 Caldendar addon for Thunderbird is. How can I reliably (and easily) roll Thunderbird back from 52.6 to 52.0? |
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| 08:40.06 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 08:40.06 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 08:40.26 | jelly | tripkin: you can find old package versions there ^^ |
| 08:41.45 | tripkin | Thanks jelly ! |
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| 09:30.59 | vlt | toolz: That sounds even less like an IRQ problem to me. |
| 09:31.27 | toolz | vlt: no idea what should I check for.. |
| 09:32.53 | toolz | vlt: the connection times out somehow and then reloads, but what could cause it to do so |
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| 09:54.55 | Delf | I did something stupid. Used kpartx to add a loop device and then I deleted the backing file. Now I cannot remove the loop device :( What to do? |
| 09:55.56 | Delf | using losetup -d /dev/loop0 exits without any errors or messages, not even with -v for verbose. |
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| 10:03.57 | jelly | Delf: reboot |
| 10:04.59 | Delf | Here's the problem⦠The backing file was on an encrypted media. Cannot unmount and do closeLuks :( |
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| 10:08.06 | alkisg | umount -l forces unmounts |
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| 10:09.38 | Delf | cryptsetup says device is still in use |
| 10:10.25 | alkisg | lsof, see which pid uses the file, kill it? |
| 10:10.33 | alkisg | (the deleted file) |
| 10:11.29 | Delf | File isn't used |
| 10:12.15 | Delf | It looks like I'm going to have to do a reboot without luksClose :( |
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| 10:13.52 | alkisg | Remember to sync before reboot |
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| 10:14.46 | vNistelroot | hi guys |
| 10:15.21 | vNistelroot | i like default debian desktop environment, but there is skins/themes for it? |
| 10:18.09 | babilen | vNistelroot: Gnome? |
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| 10:22.25 | Delf | Thx for the help. Going to reboot now. |
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| 10:30.48 | NetTerminalGene | vNistelroot, http://gnome-look.org/ |
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| 10:34.23 | vlt | toolz: Did you test with nc? |
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| 11:25.54 | vNistelroot | thank you NetTerminalGene babyflakes gonna check :) |
| 11:26.38 | babilen | Assuming you are using gnome: Some are also packaged and might be found with "apt search gnome theme" |
| 11:26.51 | babilen | (in addition to those online) |
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| 11:29.25 | vNistelroot | yup im using currently default gdm3 |
| 11:29.27 | vNistelroot | which is nice |
| 11:29.43 | vNistelroot | but ive been using default during three years |
| 11:29.49 | babilen | "gtk theme" is also worth looking into |
| 11:29.50 | vNistelroot | and i want some dark theme :P |
| 11:29.55 | babilen | Sure .. knock yourself out |
| 11:30.00 | babilen | There are many |
| 11:30.00 | ErkanA | Hello, I know this is just a debian channel but I thought people here would know how can I rescue data from a usb disk, which I stupidly written an iso (dd'ed to wrong device). USB disk was 1TB, half was used, and most important files are some picture and videos. I just need the name of a tool. I can do research on the tool on my own |
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| 11:30.19 | babilen | ErkanA: Look into photorec |
| 11:30.54 | vNistelroot | ErkanA: scalpel from a live linux box could do the trick to recover your files |
| 11:31.34 | babilen | ErkanA: I'd also strongly recommend working on an image rather than the original disk. So make sure you get a copy with cp/dcfldd first |
| 11:31.55 | bolt | Any recommendations for a small SMTP server that would allow multiple laptops, moving around the internet, to connect to the SMTP server at home, authenticate with usernames and passwords, and then relaying mails through the ISP mail server? |
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| 11:33.31 | ErkanA | I don't have another disk with that much size, so I can't image it but I already have my debian running on local disk. I guess I should mount the USB disk as r/o |
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| 11:34.46 | babilen | ErkanA: Sure .. it's just a good way to make sure you won't destroy data while trying to recover files |
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| 11:44.26 | petn-randall | bolt: postfix can do that. |
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| 12:18.10 | NetTerminalGene | i am using apt-get. can i use apt from now on? |
| 12:18.32 | NetTerminalGene | is it stable and ok? |
| 12:18.42 | NetTerminalGene | i don't want to brick system |
| 12:19.20 | mpo | you can, it is, you won't |
| 12:19.32 | BluesKaj | been using apt for over a year without any problems |
| 12:19.45 | NetTerminalGene | ok |
| 12:19.51 | themill | fsvo stable. It won't crash but it will change from release to release |
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| 12:22.38 | zennix | NetTerminalGene, https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html |
| 12:22.56 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: you can use both. And also aptitude. |
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| 12:45.34 | ShorTie | Good Morning Guys |
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| 12:47.30 | darxmurf | Good afternoon :-) |
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| 13:07.28 | ShorTie | I'm trying to cdebootstrap armhf and can not get rid of the perl: warning:'s |
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| 13:08.53 | ShorTie | armhf seems to be missing alot of "Configuring package"'s http://paste.debian.net/1008319/ |
| 13:09.38 | ShorTie | everything is fine on i386, how do I get cdebootstrap to do those configuring's ?? |
| 13:11.04 | Achylles | does debian have a calendar that shows year seasons as well, depending where people live (south or north hemisphere)? I have searched for a opensource calendar that shows - lunar calendar, seasons of year, Hebrew calendar as well as the normal stuff... |
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| 13:14.23 | MrKeuner | zennix, journalctl returns No journal files were found. I did not reboot. |
| 13:15.55 | MrKeuner | zennix, same for journalctl -u glassfish |
| 13:16.34 | MrKeuner | zennix, same for journalctl -b |
| 13:16.53 | MrKeuner | Do I need to enable journal files? |
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| 13:19.01 | zennix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.30 | MrKeuner | zennix, not really |
| 13:20.54 | zennix | MrKeuner, systemctl status systemd-journald? |
| 13:20.57 | MrKeuner | THis is a virtual machine which I revert to new install state before each deploymentr |
| 13:21.19 | MrKeuner | Active. Status: "Processing requests..." |
| 13:21.30 | MrKeuner | running |
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| 13:29.00 | zennix | MrKeuner, /etc/systemd/journald.conf Storage=? |
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| 13:31.23 | MrKeuner | zennix, sorry Iwas running journalctl as regular user... sudo did it :P |
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| 14:43.34 | noodlepie | Hiya debbers! Gentoo is good too if you like source packages! Deb's good too! |
| 14:46.39 | BluesKaj | prefer debian, gentoo is too much work |
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| 15:49.58 | immae | Hey all! I have access to a (remote) machine that has / and /home encrypted, and was configured to listen to ssh at boot time so that we can provide the cryptsetup password and continue the booting. It was working at that time (I am not the person who set it up, I have another similar machine booted if there is any need for configuration details). But today the machine was rebooted after an upgrade, and after |
| 15:50.01 | immae | unlocking the partitions (I can see them on /dev/mapper) nothing happens, the initramfs doesnât resume its work. Did anything change, and what can I do to unlock the situation? |
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| 15:52.36 | Brigo | immae, stable? |
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| 15:53.50 | goose | I have a domain that I've set up to do e-mail through google apps. I have a debian server that I want to be able to send me emails from "$(uname -n)@mydomain.com". I don't want my debian server to manage all my mail, just be able to send me mail from my own address. Google-fu has failed me for a guide on how to do this, everything I can find is directing me on how to make my server my mail server. What should |
| 15:53.51 | goose | I be searching for? |
| 15:54.16 | immae | Brigo: Yes |
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| 15:54.39 | Brigo | goose, if you are using google, you are in google hands. |
| 15:55.10 | Brigo | goose, google has to get the mail and send it with the right sender. |
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| 15:55.41 | immae | (Brigo: Iâm looking for more details from the person who did the upgrade) |
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| 15:56.17 | goose | Ok. So I need to be searching for how to send an email through google from my server? Enable SMTP and send it to google to be sent that way? |
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| 15:56.45 | immae | Brigo: So itâs jessie actually, and it happened during an upgrade "Unpacking linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (3.16.51-2) over (3.16.43-2+deb8u5)" |
| 15:56.58 | Brigo | goose, i can't see other way and i am not sure that is posible. I am not an expert. |
| 15:57.04 | arCABAL | I made a command to ssh into a raspberry pi and attach to tmux. this works fine. |
| 15:57.04 | arCABAL | ssh -t mpr@192.168.2.10 'bash -l & tmux attach' |
| 15:57.04 | arCABAL | now i want to make a hotkey in gnome keyboard preferences for this command so that a new terminal opens with tmux |
| 15:57.04 | arCABAL | gnome-terminal -x ssh -t mpr@192.168.2.10 'bash -l & tmux attach' |
| 15:57.05 | arCABAL | This opens a gnome-terminal with this error: |
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| 15:57.48 | arCABAL | hmm i was kicked for pasting a question that was too long |
| 15:58.01 | arCABAL | I made a command to ssh into a raspberry pi and attach to tmux. this works fine. |
| 15:58.01 | arCABAL | ssh -t mpr@192.168.2.10 'bash -l & tmux attach' |
| 15:58.01 | arCABAL | now i want to make a hotkey in gnome keyboard preferences for this command so that a new terminal opens with tmux |
| 15:58.01 | arCABAL | gnome-terminal -x ssh -t mpr@192.168.2.10 'bash -l & tmux attach' |
| 15:58.12 | Brigo | immae, i am clueless, logs are your best bet (or bug reports) |
| 15:58.17 | arCABAL | This opens a gnome-terminal with this error: |
| 15:58.17 | arCABAL | There was an error creating the child process for this terminal |
| 15:58.17 | arCABAL | Failed to execute child process "ssh -t mpr@192.168.2.10 'bash -l & tmux attach'" (No such file or directory) |
| 15:59.30 | immae | Brigo: Thanks for trying. I think the error is on my side, and of course no access to logs in initramfs... |
| 15:59.37 | jelly | arCABAL: regardless of your current issue, I don't think backgrounding bash is a good idea |
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| 16:00.00 | Brigo | immae, of course not, it would be too easy :) |
| 16:00.42 | arCABAL | I don't intend to background anything. I only want to open a tmux session in an ssh session in a new terminal window. mind you, i'm not very good with bash so my command might have an obvious mistake |
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| 16:01.01 | immae | if any initramfs-gourou knows how to speak to initramfs, I take it :) |
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| 16:02.11 | Brigo | immae, maybe some of these can help you: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ |
| 16:02.42 | Brigo | goose, why don't sending the mail directly? |
| 16:02.48 | immae | Iâll have a look, thank |
| 16:02.57 | Brigo | immae, good luck. |
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| 16:03.10 | jelly | arCABAL: I'd say if you want to run tmux, run tmux. "bash -l &" before it is silly |
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| 16:05.43 | transhuman | hi is there a debian version thats uses something other than glibc like uclibc or the one used by alpine linux musl or whatever |
| 16:06.20 | transhuman | trying to lighten the memory footprint without loosing too much for an old compaq mini |
| 16:06.58 | arCABAL | @jelly Thanks! I got it working |
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| 16:10.53 | jelly | transhuman: no, there used to be a netbsd+bsd libc port in progress but someone's hd's died and all the work was gone. kfreebsd replaced it but it too uses glibc |
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| 16:13.14 | transhuman | any suggestions for light weight? I have only 1 gig of memory and doing things like office or even browsing internet is almost useless, or at least slow as molasses with modern browsers, I hate to throw it away because its actually really one of the best laptops I have ever owned |
| 16:14.03 | jelly | transhuman: try to give it 1GB or so zram-based swap. |
| 16:15.19 | jhutchins_wk | transhuman: You definitely don't want gnome, lxde or xfce would be lighter. |
| 16:15.46 | transhuman | ok thanks for the help guys I will look at these |
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| 16:38.39 | wpostma | anyone using plasma and sddm in debian stretch? Not sure how to change login screen background wallpaper as the Login Screen page in System Settings seems non functional. |
| 16:40.39 | wpostma | Or maybe the Debian Maui SDDM theme is simply broken. |
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| 17:03.12 | jelly | bolovanos: is ntpd process running? Restart the ntp service and wait a bit |
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| 17:06.01 | bolovanos | jelly, hi, it seems to be running https://pastebin.com/aFq7RhRy |
| 17:06.43 | bolovanos | restarting and waiting |
| 17:09.24 | bolovanos | ok now it works |
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| 17:11.02 | bolovanos | jelly, time is synced - what does it mean for me - should I restart it each time unit? or is there some more clean solution? |
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| 17:15.17 | jelly | bolovanos: ntpd does NOT like when hw clock jumps around very much; it should probably be restarted after each resume. |
| 17:15.46 | bolovanos | jelly, ok thank you |
| 17:17.03 | jelly | bolovanos: if you trust the clock on the host system, you can probably disable any ntp service and just sync VM time with host using virtualization-specific guest additions |
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| 17:17.37 | jelly | (eg. open-vm-tools for a vmware hypervisor) |
| 17:18.02 | bolovanos | host time is always ok (ntp synced), I have installed additions - by using addition syncing you mean uninstalling ntp? |
| 17:18.29 | jelly | yes, and setting up additions to do syncing themselves |
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| 17:18.55 | bolovanos | ok - will try it - it looks more convenient |
| 17:18.59 | bolovanos | thanks |
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| 17:19.08 | RoyK | bolovanos: chrony is better with vmware guests |
| 17:19.24 | RoyK | than ntpd, that is |
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| 17:19.45 | RoyK | ntpd is extremely accurate, but freaks out on drift |
| 17:19.49 | RoyK | which is good |
| 17:19.56 | bolovanos | RoyK, I am on Vbox guest, but thank you |
| 17:19.59 | RoyK | but not for a VM on something that drifts a lot |
| 17:20.04 | RoyK | same with vbox |
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| 17:20.40 | bizhat | A program want me to install "/sbin/md5", how i find which package provide this binary ? |
| 17:20.56 | jelly | judd: file bin/md5 |
| 17:21.00 | judd | Search for bin/md5 in stretch/amd64: tiger: usr/lib/tiger/bin/md5 |
| 17:21.01 | bolovanos | RoyK, ok thank you |
| 17:21.03 | RoyK | bizhat: which program would that be? |
| 17:21.10 | jelly | bizhat: that sounds VERY unusual. |
| 17:21.36 | bizhat | RoyK: https://github.com/vichan-devel/vichan |
| 17:21.44 | RoyK | my-super-hooker.dev ? |
| 17:22.42 | bizhat | file bin/md5 returns "bin/md5: cannot open `bin/md5' (No such file or directory)" |
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| 17:23.21 | RoyK | bizhat: it's called md5sum |
| 17:23.47 | jelly | bizhat: /sbin/md5 is not likely to be found on any standard-looking linux system. There's usually a md5sum in PATH but not in sbin root-specific dir. It's in /usr/bin/md5sum on Debian. |
| 17:24.15 | bizhat | thanks |
| 17:24.21 | RoyK | installing a custom binary in /sbin doesn't seem wise |
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| 17:24.40 | bolt | you could always symlink to md5sum from there... |
| 17:24.44 | jelly | no. |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | fuck no. |
| 17:24.58 | bolt | :D |
| 17:25.16 | jelly | don't pollute /sbin with crap just because it seems a random php app wants you to. |
| 17:25.43 | RoyK | fix the app instead |
| 17:26.25 | jelly | I doubt it's actually calling for precisely that anyway. Showing the complete actual output would be a good idea. |
| 17:26.39 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:26.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:27.05 | bizhat | there is no md5sum package, https://pastebin.com/raw/0XHs4qbB its problem with my repo ? |
| 17:27.25 | RoyK | iirc it's in base-utils |
| 17:27.29 | bizhat | found binary.. |
| 17:27.33 | RoyK | coreutils |
| 17:27.34 | bizhat | ok..thanks |
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| 17:27.48 | RoyK | which most definetely should be installed |
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| 17:29.13 | bizhat | if i know name of a binary, how i find which package provide it ? apt search BINARY_NAME is correct way ? |
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| 17:31.21 | alkisg | bizhat: packages.debian.org has a text box where you can search for packages that contain that file |
| 17:31.37 | alkisg | bizhat: it sounds very strange that a php application would need an md5 binary, since that's a php function and not a binary |
| 17:31.46 | alkisg | Maybe you should start with pasting the exact error |
| 17:32.41 | wpostma | It's no doubt a crap piece of PHP as someone said above. |
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| 17:32.56 | alkisg | I think it's a "user misreading the error" issue |
| 17:33.10 | RoyK | alkisg: PEBKAC? ;) |
| 17:33.12 | bizhat | alkisg: it is optional.. maybe outdated code |
| 17:33.16 | alkisg | The code does have proper md5() calls inside it |
| 17:33.25 | alkisg | So I don't believe it's that outdated |
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| 17:33.31 | bizhat | alkisg: thanks for packages.debian.org, i will check it |
| 17:33.36 | alkisg | np |
| 17:33.54 | wpostma | i do wish there was an apt-find --binary md5sum command |
| 17:34.03 | RoyK | alkisg: look at the makefile - it certainly wants to fix /bin/md5 |
| 17:34.13 | wpostma | mebbe I'll write one. |
| 17:34.17 | alkisg | I was looking at the php code, let me see the makefile... |
| 17:34.20 | jelly | bizhat: or use apt-file, or something like /msg judd file bin/xeyes |
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| 17:36.16 | bizhat | thanks |
| 17:36.21 | jelly | bizhat: the don't know how experienced you are, and you haven't shown the actual output. For all we know your app might be looking for php modules/extensions, not binaries. |
| 17:36.30 | jelly | we* don't know |
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| 17:37.00 | bluesnik | hi there. Nedd help on Problem with mount 2TB raid5 on boot |
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| 17:37.25 | wpostma | lookd like you can find the package containing a binary like this: apt-file search md5sum |grep /usr/bin |
| 17:37.25 | RoyK | bluesnik: added to the fstab? |
| 17:37.26 | jelly | wpostma: it's called apt-file |
| 17:37.48 | wpostma | tx! i learned a new apt tool |
| 17:37.50 | bluesnik | mdadm.conf: "... ARRAY /dev/md/2 metadata=1.2 UUID=abcdef12:...21fedcba name=deb1:2", fstab: "/dev/md2 /srv ext4 defaults 0 2" |
| 17:38.06 | bluesnik | mounting manually works |
| 17:39.24 | jelly | bluesnik: I never understood why debian defaulted to /dev/md/X adding entried to mdadm.conf, but you can change that manually and you can "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" to choose what should be brought up at boot |
| 17:39.24 | bolovanos | RoyK, btw installed chrony, sleep 10min -> awake, and after 4min time is styll 10min behind host... |
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| 17:39.45 | RoyK | bolovanos: sounds very strange |
| 17:39.58 | RoyK | btw, why would a vm sleep? |
| 17:40.20 | bluesnik | before manually mounted, dmesg throws "md2: unknown partition table" when accessing this (logical mda)disk |
| 17:40.42 | RoyK | bluesnik: that's normal |
| 17:40.49 | RoyK | it doesn't have one |
| 17:40.52 | bolovanos | RoyK, because I am setting host machine asleep everytime I am not using it for longer time |
| 17:41.14 | RoyK | oic |
| 17:41.24 | RoyK | was thinking server |
| 17:41.51 | bluesnik | RoyK: so I should add an entry in mdadm.conf with ".../dev/md2" instead of "/dev/md/2"? |
| 17:41.52 | alkisg | bizhat: ./post.php:if ($config['bsd_md5']) $md5cmd = '/sbin/md5 -r'; ./post.php:if ($config['gnu_md5']) $md5cmd = 'md5sum'; |
| 17:41.56 | RoyK | bluesnik: does it hang during bootup because it can't mount the thing? |
| 17:42.01 | alkisg | bizhat: you probably defined that you are on bsd in instead of gnu |
| 17:42.26 | RoyK | bluesnik: pastebin the whole lot, please, makes it easier - as for md2 vs md/2, they're the same |
| 17:43.02 | RoyK | bluesnik: just make sure that line is correct - mdadm --details --scan will show |
| 17:44.12 | bluesnik | @RoyK: the rest of mounts are working well and the machine is starting and running. only the data-partition on md2 don't mount automatically |
| 17:44.45 | RoyK | bluesnik: did you check mdadm --details --scan ? just >> it to mdadm.conf and compare |
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| 17:47.09 | RoyK | bluesnik: and update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 17:47.14 | jelly | bluesnik: which debian release and which init is it using? |
| 17:48.18 | bluesnik | ok, I've checked with mdadm --detail and the only difference is "/dev/md/2" (in mdadm.conf) vs. "/dev/md2" in "...--scan" |
| 17:48.52 | RoyK | bluesnik: just use the one from --detail --scan |
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| 17:49.24 | bluesnik | thx RoyK, I'll give it a try .... |
| 17:49.35 | RoyK | remember update-initramfs |
| 17:50.52 | bluesnik | it seems, the error is initramfs. I don't think about that. Thx for remembering me |
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| 17:57.24 | bluesnik | report: rebootet the machine after edited mdadm.conf to ".../dev/md2" and this works. I have not update initramfs, but I'll do it now. |
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| 18:07.40 | bluesnik | updated initramfs, rebooted, NO /dev/md2 ??? |
| 18:08.17 | bluesnik | mount manually still works |
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| 18:11.44 | bluesnik | this is weird: When I mount /dev/md2 manually before reboot with "shutdown -r" the array reapears in the mounted filesystems after reboot. But only then and after soft-reboot |
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| 18:12.23 | bluesnik | (xcuse my lousy english please) |
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| 18:19.06 | jhutchins_wk | Your English is fine. Is the FS atuallyu mounted? |
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| 18:21.48 | jhutchins_wk | bluesnik: So the issue is that it's automounting and you don't think it should. Have you checked /etc/fstab? |
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| 18:23.07 | bluesnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.30 | greycat | that is a line from /etc/fstab; it is not evidence of a current mount |
| 18:23.45 | greycat | evidence of a current mount would come from a "df" or "mount" command |
| 18:23.48 | jelly | they did not say it was evidence. |
| 18:24.27 | bluesnik | df says its mounted, munt says it also. I know the difference :) |
| 18:24.39 | bluesnik | mount |
| 18:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | bluesnik: What behavior are you expecting that is not happening? |
| 18:24.59 | jelly | (and they do want it mounted automatically; but it usually does not get mounted EXCEPT in the scenario described above) |
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| 18:25.45 | jelly | (for people that can't be bothered to read the previous half hour of support) |
| 18:25.57 | bluesnik | What confuses me is, all other md-devices comes online with the same syntax in mdadm.conf and fstab. |
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| 18:26.59 | bluesnik | I'm expecting the automount of /dev/md2 on PowerOn the machine |
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| 18:29.50 | bluesnik | system and boot are on /dev/md0 (raid1, sd[ab]1,works fine), /home on /dev/md1 (raid1, sd[ab]2, works fine) |
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| 18:30.57 | jelly | bluesnik: which debian release is this and which init system is in use? |
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| 18:31.07 | bluesnik | but the raid5 ( sd[cde]1 ) won't come up automatic. |
| 18:31.19 | bluesnik | Debian stretch .... |
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| 18:32.05 | bluesnik | uname -a: Linux deb1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:32.27 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.34 | annadane | with that kernel |
| 18:32.42 | bluesnik | who to determine which init system I use? |
| 18:32.45 | greycat | well, not the word "jessie", but it should say 8.something |
| 18:32.53 | greycat | bluesnik: ls -l /sbin/init |
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| 18:33.38 | bluesnik | ls -l /sbin/init: /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
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| 18:33.52 | qifan | greatings ;) |
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| 18:35.14 | bluesnik | the "/etc/apt/sources.list" says "stretch" |
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| 18:36.42 | BanHammor | did you edit it at all? |
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| 18:37.19 | qifan | :> |
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| 18:37.30 | bluesnik | are there known issues with partitions larger than 1.8 TB? |
| 18:37.46 | annadane | very likely no |
| 18:37.54 | annadane | in fact, i am jealous |
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| 18:38.53 | qifan | fresh installed, debian, i want to know 3 things, 1st) is how to change layout of keyboard permanently, to "es" ive used #setxkbmap "es" (spain) , 2nd) how to run apt-get for the first time, and 3rd) is my last one how to change hostname permanetly, ive edited, /etc/hostname but doesnt take effect. Thank you in advanced :) |
| 18:39.25 | greycat | 3) is easy: edit /etc/hostname and then reboot |
| 18:39.33 | bluesnik | yes I've edited all lines in apt/sources.list from jessie to stretch, and commented out all lines with "jessie" |
| 18:39.52 | greycat | !tell qifran stretch sources.list |
| 18:39.59 | greycat | !tell qifran about stretch sources.list |
| 18:40.09 | greycat | The bot's /msg should help for 2). |
| 18:40.14 | qifan | ? |
| 18:40.16 | qifan | no |
| 18:40.25 | annadane | check your private messages. |
| 18:40.36 | qifan | no private msg under hexchat |
| 18:40.46 | annadane | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:40.46 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:40.54 | qifan | bot might be lagged |
| 18:41.08 | annadane | two !tells in a row probably did it |
| 18:41.48 | greycat | It echoed a copy to me. |
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| 18:44.30 | qifan | thank you, and for first time using apt-get should i do apt-get update or upgrade ? |
| 18:44.43 | greycat | update first |
| 18:45.03 | qifan | thank you , greycat |
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| 18:49.28 | bluesnik | thank you all for helping. I'll try some combinations and let you know the solution. |
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| 18:57.48 | jhutchins_wk | bluesnik: I've heard that there can be problems getting the disks spun up to speed in time to automoung. I would suggest checking the logs and dmesg to see if the system is complaining. Also you might remove "quiet" from the grub command line to see startup messages. |
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| 19:02.25 | bluesnik | thx jhutchins for these tips. Unfotunatly this is a headless system and I can reach it only via ssh. (... and the power button ) I've added a "beep" at starup scripts, to know when its online. Or just wait 5 Minutes after power on ... |
| 19:04.26 | bluesnik | the whole stuff leads me to a timeout (or better "time-in") problem. I'll try to add a "sleep 30 && mount" command to the startup scripts ... |
| 19:05.04 | bluesnik | this is not the elegant way I've expected, but it pragmatically will work :) |
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| 19:20.03 | qifan | hi :> gdebi-core gdebi is the utility that makes me click and install a .deb file ? |
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| 19:20.44 | qifan | click and install inside gnome |
| 19:20.49 | qifan | .deb file |
| 19:21.47 | qifan | i found ty |
| 19:21.50 | qifan | ^^ |
| 19:21.54 | qifan | is away |
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| 19:22.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell qifan about away |
| 19:22.56 | qifan | mmkay :) |
| 19:23.16 | qifan | abrotman, any diference between , aptitude and apt ? |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | Lots. |
| 19:23.48 | qifan | from the point of view of using it at terminal and inside X(enviroment) |
| 19:24.02 | greycat | neither one is an X command |
| 19:24.21 | qifan | 1 diference for me is enough |
| 19:24.25 | qifan | :> |
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| 19:24.55 | qifan | example of a diference, plz greycat :) |
| 19:25.08 | greycat | Just read their man pages? |
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| 19:25.38 | qifan | ok |
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| 19:25.48 | greycat | ONE difference: if invoked with no arguments, aptitude launches a curses-based full-screen interface. |
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| 19:27.23 | qifan | i was wondering if aptitude is an application and apt-get is a list of scripts to using as interface with aptitude |
| 19:27.43 | greycat | They are both C programs that ultimately call dpkg(1) to do the actual work. |
| 19:28.11 | qifan | okay ! is a reason why i should avoid it i dont have deep knowldge in C language |
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| 19:28.19 | greycat | well, aptitude is C++ |
| 19:28.25 | qifan | :> |
| 19:28.34 | greycat | ... they both are. Evil dirty OO. |
| 19:28.36 | qifan | i know only the basics |
| 19:28.37 | qifan | :) |
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| 19:29.11 | greycat | Just use whichever tool you PREFER. |
| 19:29.25 | qifan | i prefere to download the .deb file from the web |
| 19:29.26 | greycat | apt, apt-get, aptitude. You get to choose. It's based on YOUR preferences. |
| 19:29.32 | qifan | and install it with a click |
| 19:29.35 | greycat | that's stupid. don't do that. |
| 19:29.53 | greycat | you will end up downloading filthy evil broken third-party CRAP |
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| 19:30.01 | greycat | like Ubuntu PPAs |
| 19:30.11 | qifan | from OFFICIAL debian package manager website |
| 19:30.24 | qifan | .> |
| 19:30.25 | qifan | :> |
| 19:30.38 | greycat | Just use apt-get or apt or aptitude., |
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| 19:31.31 | qifan | hmmm i will think about it this night :> |
| 19:31.32 | mavhq | I use apt, until things break, then try aptitude |
| 19:31.43 | qifan | lmao:) |
| 19:31.47 | qifan | who are this guys ? |
| 19:32.06 | bluesnik | using apt-get is SOO much easier than fiddle out single *.deb files |
| 19:32.35 | qifan | ohh they are that much ? -.- |
| 19:33.31 | greycat | I have over 1200 packages installed on this machine currently, and I don't use a deskto environment. |
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| 19:34.27 | qifan | claps exited |
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| 19:35.31 | bluesnik | I manage some remote machines and I'm glad they all are headless. Because I don't want to drive 800km each day :) |
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| 19:37.20 | misty5 | does apt-get install also restart the updated services or do you need to restart them yourself? |
| 19:37.47 | bluesnik | and the whole apt/dpck stuff can handled by scripts. So just type once and use many times |
| 19:38.16 | greycat | Packages that get upgraded will be stopped and restarted. |
| 19:38.42 | bluesnik | this depends on the package. Apache e.g. will be restarted by apt script |
| 19:38.48 | greycat | In some cases, installing a new *library* that a service depends on will also restart some of those services, but that's configurable and complicated. |
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| 19:39.17 | greycat | s/installing a new/upgrading a/ |
| 19:40.43 | bluesnik | in every case apt will tell what its doing and what you have to do (e.g. restart the machine after kernel upgrades) |
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| 19:42.13 | bluesnik | ... and on remote machines it's a good idea, to run such tasks in a screen-session ... |
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| 20:09.40 | qifan | Q: Im upgrading my system next week! from r5 to ryzen threadripper and mobo as well ofc :) will it influence anything on my system ? Will i need to reinstall debian? |
| 20:10.00 | qifan | Thank you in advance |
| 20:11.52 | jelly | influence? maybe. reinstall? no |
| 20:12.43 | qifan | ahaha |
| 20:12.45 | qifan | :D |
| 20:12.53 | qifan | ty |
| 20:12.54 | qifan | ;) |
| 20:13.03 | qifan | i hope it influences well |
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| 20:18.42 | jelly | I have no idea what "r5" and "threadripper" is |
| 20:19.01 | greycat | maybe it's like a bodice ripper? |
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| 20:19.06 | jelly | but it sounds like a hardware upgrade |
| 20:19.11 | qifan | AYE |
| 20:19.18 | qifan | yes it is a hardware |
| 20:19.30 | jelly | my workstation at home has been throuch about 6-7 hw upgrades. |
| 20:19.48 | jelly | has not been reinstalled since 2001 or so |
| 20:19.57 | qifan | awsome |
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| 20:19.58 | qifan | ! |
| 20:20.09 | qifan | since its in the disk its in a safe place ^^ |
| 20:20.14 | qifan | "debian" |
| 20:20.16 | jelly | I _think_ it was a P133. |
| 20:20.23 | qifan | i had one myself |
| 20:20.31 | qifan | my real first desktop! and first computer |
| 20:20.35 | qifan | amd ! |
| 20:20.52 | qifan | now |
| 20:20.59 | qifan | but i started in intel |
| 20:20.59 | jelly | debian does not require reinstallation, but some cleanup every couple years is good |
| 20:21.00 | qifan | ;) |
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| 20:21.30 | qifan | amd is more ia and cool |
| 20:21.32 | qifan | :) |
| 20:21.36 | qifan | and cheap! |
| 20:21.40 | qifan | and fast !! |
| 20:22.02 | qifan | a bit volatile with nvidia cards but i handle them |
| 20:22.04 | qifan | :P |
| 20:22.06 | jelly | if hw changes significantly, drivers may change but the OS itself shouldn't suffer |
| 20:22.13 | qifan | .> |
| 20:22.14 | qifan | :> |
| 20:22.28 | qifan | kakakaka |
| 20:22.49 | annadane | !enter |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:39.08 | dutchfish | anyway, i am of to bed, i am tired, have a good one! |
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| 20:59.34 | webuser5224 | Hello everyone! |
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| 21:00.57 | webuser5224 | I'm currently reading the following wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile |
| 21:01.18 | webuser5224 | I suppose the GDP Pocket would also fit there? It seems to be a bit similar to the Pyra listed. |
| 21:01.49 | webuser5224 | Are there currently any other projects that are similar to those two? |
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| 21:22.23 | rant | webuser5224: this is generally beyond the scope of this channel which is for support of debian stable on supported archs, but for the most part this is not very practical.. its getting there as devices improve in hardware.. but for the most part its nothing more than a proof of concept |
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| 21:23.41 | rant | webuser5224: see #debian-mobile on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:24.31 | rant | webuser5224: and subscribe to the debian-mobile mailing list, tell them what hw you got and what you can do to help out |
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| 21:51.08 | Co0lBeanzz | Anyone know how I could install debian on bcache? |
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| 21:56.35 | quotemstr | Anyone know offhand whether there's some systemd kernel command line option to force the creation of a getty on tty0? |
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| 22:05.39 | _KaszpiR_ | Co0lBeanzz should be possible |
| 22:06.07 | _KaszpiR_ | but I suggest to look closesly to vm.dirty_* first |
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| 22:08.26 | talin | i switched from jessie to buster in sources.list and ran apt update and upgrade. i thought i would find more recent versions of packages, particularly python3-kivy, but it doesn't seem to exist at all in buster... |
| 22:08.54 | talin | apt search kivy finds nothing... hmm |
| 22:11.58 | Co0lBeanzz | ok. I think i figured it out |
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| 22:22.49 | rant | talin: you probably just fubarred your system |
| 22:23.53 | rant | talin: you need to reinstall and next time ask someone before you do something like that |
| 22:24.31 | rant | ,v python3-kivy |
| 22:24.32 | judd | Package: python3-kivy on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.0+dfsg-2.1; stretch: 1.9.1-1; sid: 1.9.1-1+b1 |
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| 22:25.20 | rant | you could've just done a simple sid backport, upgraded to stretch, or used pip to make a new version.. any of the 3 would've been less destructive than what you did. |
| 22:27.12 | rant | quotemstr: you mean ttyS0? |
| 22:29.05 | talin | rant: why is that? |
| 22:29.20 | talin | rant: i've used the same procedure many times (not for this particular version) |
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| 22:35.18 | wpostma | +1 for using pip. or some kind of python version manager. |
| 22:37.35 | wpostma | I used to do that add-to-sources thing all the time, then I took an arrow to the knee. |
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| 22:40.41 | talin | rant: destructive? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting says to do exactly what i did? |
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| 22:51.43 | wpostma | was the goal to upgrade your whole system from one release to the next, or to get a backport? |
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| 22:58.16 | aphotica | What are osme ways to slim RAM usage on Debian 9.3 Xfce? |
| 22:58.21 | _KaszpiR_ | next time use virtualenv |
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| 23:00.33 | drocsid | ahh debian next is on a different server.. |
| 23:00.52 | drocsid | * #debian-next * |
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| 23:06.02 | quotemstr | rant: No, I mean tty0 |
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| 23:06.22 | quotemstr | rant: Right now, in a UML kernel, I see messages about starting getty on tty[1-6], but not tty0 |
| 23:06.33 | quotemstr | And UML doesn't really do non-tty0 ttys very well |
| 23:06.46 | quotemstr | (Why on earth would I be using UML? Because I can reverse-debug it with rr(1)) |
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| 23:30.45 | rant | talin: no, what it says is IF YOU ARE RUNNING STABLE, not if you are running old-stable |
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| 23:31.31 | rant | quotemstr: idk.. no experience with UML and I didnt know there was a tty0, heard of ttyS0 |
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| 23:34.27 | rant | talin: you basically told your system to rather arbitrarily skip a release and install random buster packages in jessie. Doing an "upgrade" from one branch to the next even if they're back to back isn't a good idea.. you need a dist-upgrade for that because it will allow the package manager more room to resolve issues that arise during a branch upgrade. Now you're not likely running any debian release, but |
| 23:34.33 | rant | some hybrid of jessie/buster that nobody can support.. best case scenario you may be able to complete migration to buster and no longer be elegible for support here.. otherwise you need to go reinstall your system with jessie or stretch, preferably stretch |
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| 23:35.15 | qifan | hi |
| 23:35.52 | qifan | Does anyone have make it work out of the box, the dongle USB NANO adapter, D-Link 131 wda ? RTL8192CU in most linux's |
| 23:36.02 | qifan | under stretch |
| 23:36.47 | qifan | i only see support for : Debian 8 "Jessie" Debian 7 "Wheezy" |
| 23:37.28 | rant | I've heard that mentioned a few times in here recently.. the RTL8192CU not the Dlink model specifically.. but I believe it only requires the realtek non-free firmware package to work |
| 23:38.22 | rant | Mine is an old RTL8187B, doesnt even need the firmware package to work IIRC |
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| 23:39.03 | qifan | rant: does firmware-realtek sounds familiary to you? |
| 23:39.06 | rant | qifan: I can check though, I'm on stretch.. |
| 23:39.17 | qifan | ok thank you |
| 23:39.35 | rant | yeah thats the realtek firmwares.. if you want me to I'll check my modinfo and the firmware-realtek package to see if that model is listed |
| 23:39.56 | qifan | sure |
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| 23:41.18 | rant | qifan: from the package info for firmware-realtek on stretch: * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU UMC A-cut firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU UMC B-cut firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU TMSC firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU fallback firmware |
| 23:41.29 | rant | seems to have 3 firmwares for that model |
| 23:41.41 | qifan | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 2001:3319 D-Link Corp. |
| 23:42.00 | rant | qifan: do you offhand know which kernel driver it is? |
| 23:42.29 | rant | cause I'm not sure without looking it up.. and I need to know the driver to check modinfo |
| 23:42.55 | qifan | P/N: EWA131EU...EG1 |
| 23:42.55 | rant | checks his modules dir |
| 23:43.08 | qifan | E1G |
| 23:43.09 | qifan | soz |
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| 23:43.27 | qifan | does it help where your looking for |
| 23:43.33 | qifan | ? |
| 23:43.36 | rant | no |
| 23:43.44 | qifan | check modinfo? |
| 23:43.49 | qifan | how? |
| 23:43.52 | rant | I just thought if you'd been looking it up you'd know what the driver was |
| 23:45.15 | qifan | pvt did it help? |
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| 23:45.46 | rant | qifan: the wifi driver has two parts the kernel module and the firmware that loads onto the device itself. I verified the firmware package in stretch for you, I gotta double check the kernel module.. but first I gotta figure out which one :P |
| 23:46.00 | qifan | thank you |
| 23:46.07 | qifan | i really apreciate :) |
| 23:46.51 | qifan | if you need anyting else just pm me |
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| 23:47.11 | qifan | as for info of any other kind of stuff :D |
| 23:47.29 | rant | qifan: its not listed in the rtl8192cu driver |
| 23:47.46 | qifan | so my trully one shot would be rtl8192eu |
| 23:47.51 | rant | qifan: there are 5 devices with vendor id 2001 and thats not one of them |
| 23:48.08 | qifan | in gentoo worked with rtl8192eu |
| 23:48.23 | qifan | :> |
| 23:48.44 | rant | qifan: I dont have a rtl8192eu on this stretch kernel |
| 23:48.51 | qifan | neither do i |
| 23:49.26 | qifan | ill have to go deep and do things by hand |
| 23:49.27 | qifan | :( |
| 23:49.34 | rant | qifan: bottom line here is that the firmware package supports it, but thats non-free so it wont be "out of box" for that reason.. it requires a non-free firmware package to work.. and the kernel doesnt seem to support it, but thats actually a fairly easy fix.. you just need a different kernel. |
| 23:50.21 | qifan | wich one would you guess ? |
| 23:50.39 | rant | qifan: idk.. I'm checking for other modules that may support it in my /lib/modules dir |
| 23:50.53 | qifan | cant i just do like they say here ? |
| 23:50.57 | qifan | https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver |
| 23:51.07 | qifan | make things easy |
| 23:51.08 | qifan | :P |
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| 23:53.24 | rant | well r8189-usb supports p3301, and rtl8192cu supports p330d 330a 3309 3307 and 3309 with the vendor 2001 |
| 23:53.41 | qifan | meh |
| 23:53.46 | rant | I also checked rtl8193ee, de, se, and none of them support it |
| 23:53.46 | qifan | ive tryed |
| 23:54.22 | rant | qifan: do you have the time/knowledge to compile your own kernel, or would you need one already built? |
| 23:54.44 | rant | you can also like you suggested, just install headers and build the module yourself |
| 23:54.52 | rant | rather than the whole kernel |
| 23:55.19 | qifan | yeh |
| 23:55.21 | qifan | :) |
| 23:55.25 | qifan | im a gamer and a dj |
| 23:55.30 | qifan | not a geek |
| 23:55.30 | qifan | :P |
| 23:55.34 | rant | I'm sorry to hear that :P |
| 23:55.39 | annadane | join us |
| 23:56.19 | rant | well, some of us anyhow.. if you join annadane you'll be addicted to reddit and be installing new versions of plasma daily :P |
| 23:56.29 | annadane | still a geek! |
| 23:56.40 | rant | and if you join me, you'd have to save up to be broke |
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