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| 00:16.47 | qifan | rant, make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/build: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado. Pare. |
| 00:16.50 | qifan | what does it mean? |
| 00:17.06 | qifan | says archive or directory not found |
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| 00:17.25 | qifan | do i need any extra package ? |
| 00:20.51 | qifan | cmake i need it ? |
| 00:21.02 | qifan | in this case |
| 00:21.03 | qifan | :) |
| 00:21.08 | qifan | trying brb |
| 00:22.01 | qifan | is it possible to install a kernel (stable) from apt ? |
| 00:22.14 | qifan | im not a developer i dont want a home kernel |
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| 00:23.56 | jim | should be |
| 00:24.42 | qifan | and does it update the bootloader also ? |
| 00:24.44 | qifan | :> |
| 00:25.09 | jim | debian kernel imaga packages should do that, yes |
| 00:25.28 | qifan | ill search them just a stable 4 somthing kernel linux-image |
| 00:25.32 | qifan | in apt |
| 00:25.36 | qifan | ok? |
| 00:25.50 | jim | it will also build an initrd with information gained from looking at how / is mounted |
| 00:26.20 | jim | are you running stretch now? |
| 00:27.17 | jim | you can run apt-cache search linux-image |
| 00:28.19 | qifan | yes |
| 00:28.23 | qifan | did that |
| 00:28.24 | qifan | :) |
| 00:28.33 | jim | find one you like? |
| 00:28.39 | qifan | linux-image-amd64 - Linux para computadores de 64 bits (meta-package) *edit* from portuguese to english |
| 00:28.40 | jim | also, |
| 00:28.42 | qifan | sounds ok? |
| 00:28.58 | qifan | yes? |
| 00:29.17 | qifan | udo apt-get install linux-image-flavour |
| 00:29.25 | qifan | is it stable flavour ? |
| 00:29.31 | jim | your computer is intel 64bit (or amd too)? |
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| 00:29.38 | qifan | amd ryzen 5 1600 |
| 00:30.28 | jim | that sounds good... plus, if you have that installed, it should keep you uptodate |
| 00:30.38 | qifan | awsome ! |
| 00:30.46 | qifan | ill going to install it |
| 00:31.38 | qifan | :> |
| 00:31.44 | rant | qifan: you had much use out of that ryzen so far? |
| 00:32.01 | qifan | no actually im selling it |
| 00:32.07 | qifan | to buy a threadripper |
| 00:32.20 | qifan | but i dont have the box :( |
| 00:32.25 | rant | qifan: I read all about it on AMD's website they talk a good game.. the mfg is the last person to believe when it comes to telling the truth about performance :P |
| 00:32.39 | qifan | well its good :D |
| 00:32.47 | rant | qifan: I thought th "threadripper" was the ryzen key "feature" |
| 00:32.47 | qifan | give quake champion under windows 180fps |
| 00:32.58 | qifan | on a 1060 (6GB) everything low |
| 00:33.17 | qifan | r5 is skt am4 ryzen threadripper is tr4 |
| 00:33.28 | qifan | ryzen normal ones |
| 00:33.32 | qifan | am4 socket |
| 00:33.37 | qifan | threadripper tr4 |
| 00:34.11 | qifan | a 1800x gives the same almost fps as the 1600 benchmarks says it |
| 00:34.11 | qifan | :D |
| 00:34.29 | rant | ah.. I haven't bought AMD in ages.. not familiar with any of their stuff in the last 10 years probably.. just read about it online and they claim its the greatest thing out there.. figured since you said you're a gamer and you had one, you'd be the person to ask :P |
| 00:34.44 | qifan | giggling |
| 00:34.51 | qifan | intel fan? |
| 00:34.56 | qifan | amd teaches intel |
| 00:34.57 | qifan | ;) |
| 00:35.24 | jim | did the install go well |
| 00:35.29 | rant | as I said, I'd have to save up to be broke.. so I'm a cheap fan.. which is why I used to build AMD back in the day cause they offered comparable performance for lower cost than intel |
| 00:35.33 | jim | ? |
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| 00:37.26 | rant | qifan: your native tongue is portugese then? |
| 00:37.48 | qifan | Yes it is ! |
| 00:37.59 | qifan | but my keyboard is spanish P: |
| 00:38.42 | qifan | ive installed linux-image-amd64 do i need to make make modules_install? or apt-get did that for me ? |
| 00:39.37 | qifan | does appear nothing under /usr/src/linux ? |
| 00:39.53 | qifan | not even the link ? |
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| 00:40.40 | qifan | or do i need to reboot ? |
| 00:40.43 | qifan | :> |
| 00:42.43 | qifan | how do i open te kernel thingy ? |
| 00:43.24 | somiaj | qifan: I don't get your goal. Is your goal to install a kernel, or to install the kernel headers? Or install the full kernel source? |
| 00:43.48 | qifan | i want to be able to do make menuconfig |
| 00:44.07 | rant | qifan: do you know spanish or do you just understand it because its similar? |
| 00:44.25 | qifan | i just understand it cause it similar |
| 00:44.26 | qifan | :P |
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| 00:45.27 | somiaj | qifan: I think there is an XY problem. If you want a newer kernel, install one from backports. If you want to compile a module against the debian kernel, you only need the linux-headers package. If you want to build the whole kernel, you need the linux-source package. |
| 00:45.38 | rant | I have struggled with Portugese and only in recent years realized its the 6th most spoken language by population as Brazil and such has been coming up in technology. I studied Latin, French, Spanis, and German in school and Portugese confuses me. I tend to speak to natives in Spanish and they speak Portugese and we seem to understand one another well enough :P |
| 00:45.44 | somiaj | qifan: also try to hit enter less. |
| 00:46.45 | rant | somiaj: we were originally talking about a Dlink network adapter they have that is an RTL8192CU and I've determined by checking my system that while we have several firmwares for it, the stretch kernel has no driver that'll claim that specific card.. so it may be related to that |
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| 00:47.25 | rant | I got disconnected inbetween so I no longer have the backlog on the issue |
| 00:47.33 | qifan | https://pastebin.com/DtgLmSDt |
| 00:47.38 | somiaj | I think I recall someone else mentioning something about teh RTL8192?? driver not being mainline either. so unsure if it would be in a backported kernel. But I dno't recall what ?? they were talking about. |
| 00:47.39 | qifan | Plz how do i fix this ? |
| 00:48.02 | qifan | i have 2 headers |
| 00:48.03 | qifan | :S |
| 00:48.12 | rant | somiaj: well the RTL8192CU driver is there, it just doesnt have that vend/prod ID listed in modinfo, so its not going to claim the device |
| 00:48.14 | somiaj | qifan: You'll get better support if you produce output in english. |
| 00:48.24 | somiaj | !localized error |
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| 00:48.41 | annadane | !localized errors |
| 00:48.41 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 00:49.03 | qifan | linux-headers-4.9.0-5-amd64/ linux-headers-4.9.0-5-common/ |
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| 00:49.06 | somiaj | rant: have you tried to force the driver to assoicate with the vendor/prod ID? |
| 00:49.14 | qifan | I have 2 headers can i clean one ? |
| 00:49.18 | somiaj | qifan: you want both those packages. |
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| 00:49.24 | qifan | k |
| 00:49.26 | somiaj | qifan: what do you mean by clean one? |
| 00:49.27 | qifan | wich one do i use |
| 00:49.51 | qifan | to to compile a module against the debian kernel |
| 00:49.57 | somiaj | qifan: they are linked together, but in this case you are wanting to build using the 4.9.0-5-amd64 headers, the -common is just suff that is independent from arch. |
| 00:50.02 | somiaj | qifan: you need both. |
| 00:50.07 | qifan | :> |
| 00:50.59 | rant | /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/build directory is not found during make of the rtl driver after installing linux-headers-amd64 is the gist of it |
| 00:51.28 | somiaj | qifan: uname -a, are you still running off the old 4.9.0-4 kernel? |
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| 00:52.00 | qifan | Linux cringer 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:52.21 | qifan | yes rant, thank you |
| 00:52.22 | qifan | :) |
| 00:52.29 | qifan | how can i fix it ? |
| 00:52.38 | somiaj | qifan: rant: Something like this might help, echo XXXX YYYY > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/r8169/new_id -- that should force the driver to try to control that new id |
| 00:53.00 | qifan | to dificult for me that part somiaj |
| 00:53.00 | rant | I wasnt aware you could do that without patching the driver |
| 00:53.01 | qifan | :( |
| 00:53.21 | somiaj | I'm unsure if trying to force the driver (replace r8169 with correct module) to assoicate with that card will be enough. I had a usb driver that I had to do this with. |
| 00:53.26 | rant | but the driver you'd want to try force would be the rtl8192cu more than likely |
| 00:53.42 | somiaj | yea, the info I found was for a nother driver, I missed the actual driver, so change that |
| 00:53.44 | qifan | step by step |
| 00:53.45 | somiaj | I would try that first |
| 00:53.47 | qifan | what should i do :) |
| 00:53.49 | rant | and I assume XXXX YYYY is the vend/prod hex codes? |
| 00:53.55 | somiaj | qifan: you just need to reboot. You are running an older kernel. |
| 00:53.59 | somiaj | rant: correct |
| 00:54.00 | qifan | k |
| 00:54.38 | rant | somiaj: surely that has to be supported by the driver, and is not just some general interface of the kernel? |
| 00:54.43 | somiaj | rant: I was surprised when I found that too, but it was helpful in the case that I had some odd usb dongle that the driver woudln't recoginze. |
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| 00:55.05 | somiaj | rant: my guess is it is some general interface since most modules know what pciids or usbids they support. |
| 00:55.28 | rant | somiaj: I checked all the realtek drivers in my stretch kernel against the vendor code he gave me.. only two had support for that vendor and neither supported the specific prod code |
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| 00:56.04 | somiaj | hopefully when they come back you can try that, it is quick, and if it works, then no need to use the upstream driver. |
| 00:56.29 | rant | somiaj: true..unless it has shotty performance.. which is common with wifi drivers |
| 00:56.29 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134878/make-linux-load-specific-driver-for-given-device-realtek-nic -- is where I looked it up this time |
| 00:56.40 | rant | though in my experience the firmware is usually the cause of it |
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| 00:56.51 | somiaj | rant: mine as well. |
| 00:56.52 | qifan | w0rking now many thanks |
| 00:56.53 | qifan | :) |
| 00:57.04 | rant | because more often than not the issue is noise floor calibration which is typically in the firmware |
| 00:57.07 | somiaj | qifan: anyways, before building the driver, I would have tried my other suggestion. |
| 00:57.33 | somiaj | only issue is you have to script it to set this up each time you boot. |
| 00:57.37 | somiaj | (if it works) |
| 00:58.06 | rant | qifan: yes I concur that trying to force the existing driver to work is something worth trying.. because this bulding the driver will break anytime the kernel upgrades unless you have a dkms build system for it |
| 00:58.33 | rant | qifan: if the existing driver will work, even if you gotta hack something to set it up at boot, that'll not be affected by kernel updates |
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| 00:59.12 | rant | qifan: when building a module outside dkms, you now have to maintain that module and rebuild it every time the kernel updates |
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| 01:00.49 | qifan | finally! |
| 01:01.00 | qifan | my wifi is up and runing |
| 01:01.15 | qifan | clap clap clap |
| 01:01.17 | rant | qifan: you built the driver? |
| 01:01.20 | qifan | yup |
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| 01:01.35 | rant | qifan: you make note of what I said about having to manually maintain that driver? |
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| 01:02.08 | rant | debian will release kernel updates with security patches and that driver will break and need to be manually rebuilt |
| 01:02.36 | somiaj | qifan: make sure the linux-headers-amd64 package is installed, and keep the source/script for the driver on your system. This should allow you to rebuild it fairly easily after an upgrade. |
| 01:02.59 | somiaj | it might work until another abi change happens, but just keep the meta package installed and be ready to rebuild when it doesn't work. |
| 01:03.22 | qifan | linux-headers-amd64 is important to be installed but its allready installed |
| 01:03.24 | qifan | dont worry |
| 01:03.24 | qifan | :) |
| 01:04.00 | rant | fair enough.. I'd check the other method if it were me.. cause its more easy to maintain in the long run if it works |
| 01:04.03 | qifan | i just use debian for gaming |
| 01:04.05 | qifan | :) |
| 01:04.20 | qifan | not into upgrading or maintainnig |
| 01:04.21 | qifan | :) |
| 01:04.39 | rant | qifan: its funny to hear someone say that having been using it for about 15 years.. back in the day gamin is the one thing that kept people from linux |
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| 01:05.29 | qifan | xD |
| 01:05.36 | rant | I know they ported steam years ago but I never did follow up to see about porting of various games along with it.. I'm at most a dabbler in games and really picky.. and I never had a problem playing the games I liked |
| 01:06.23 | rant | I've played GTA San Andreas, Spore, Madden, and a number of others on linux without issues |
| 01:06.47 | rant | that Spore was a really interesting game for people of all ages.. |
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| 01:08.10 | rant | took those sim style games and kinda blended it with a RTS of sorts, took you from single cell organisms up through making it to land, civilization, space travel..etc. |
| 01:08.44 | rant | and as complex as it all was, it was easy enough and entertaining enough for a small child to play |
| 01:13.49 | somiaj | and I've one of the few figured out how to game in linux. Though only play a few games helped with that. |
| 01:14.55 | jhutchins | somiaj: No, really, been gaming for years and I'm not much of a gamer. |
| 01:15.11 | jhutchins | I guess that's part of it, low epectations. |
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| 01:34.30 | qifan | Q: Is it possible to play "QUAKE" without having the cdrom ? i installed it and it says : Please use game-data-packager to build and install the data packages for Quake. |
| 01:34.45 | qifan | but its allready installed |
| 01:34.46 | qifan | :( |
| 01:34.57 | rant | qifan: you could probably get shareware data files or open source ones easily enough |
| 01:35.13 | rant | usually those games like the doom engines have open data files in the repos |
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| 01:38.44 | qifan | ohh ty |
| 01:38.47 | qifan | ^^ |
| 01:38.51 | qifan | for QUAKE |
| 01:38.56 | qifan | what would be the command ? |
| 01:39.55 | elektron | apt-cache search quake data |
| 01:40.40 | qifan | zanks |
| 01:41.29 | qifan | darkplaces right ? |
| 01:41.35 | qifan | elektron, |
| 01:42.23 | elektron | shrugs.. |
| 01:43.00 | elektron | check out: nexuiz |
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| 01:47.11 | qifan | game-data-packager is already the newest version (49.1). |
| 01:47.17 | qifan | but quake complains its not |
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| 03:37.52 | jusss | it is from openvpn |
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| 04:19.00 | tw | access server is not free. |
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| 06:21.41 | g105b | Is it possible to resize the filesystem down so it's quicker and easier to take an image of the drive? |
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| 06:23.30 | darxmurf | which FS ? |
| 06:23.31 | alkisg | g105b: sure, resize2fs, gparted |
| 06:23.42 | darxmurf | you can resize EXT |
| 06:23.56 | darxmurf | XFS too but only grow it, not shrink |
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| 06:24.34 | g105b_ | alkisg: thanks, I thought resize2fs was only for going larger. |
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| 06:24.56 | alkisg | man => " It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file system located on device." |
| 06:25.40 | g105b_ | aha that's the ticket then :) so, I'll need to unmount the root fs, gparted it smaller, then use resize2fs before re-mounting? |
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| 06:25.53 | pingfloyd | no |
| 06:26.01 | pingfloyd | if you're shrinking, you shrink the fs first then the partition |
| 06:26.15 | alkisg | g105b_, gparted also calls resize2fs, so you can just use its gui without additional steps |
| 06:26.21 | pingfloyd | best to shrink the partition to a little bigger than the fs, and grow the fs to the partition |
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| 06:26.30 | g105b_ | oh interesting, thanks alkisg |
| 06:26.44 | alkisg | np; it's all gui-driven, piece of cake there, no need to calculate anything |
| 06:27.09 | pingfloyd | yeah, gparted is probably the most user friendly method |
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| 06:28.34 | g105b_ | just to confirm, because this OS is pretty fresh and has only had a few things installed, when trimming the end of the partition in gparted, there won't be any chance of files being lost at the end of the partition? Not sure how partitions work, do they fill up from the start? |
| 06:29.07 | alkisg | g105b_: gparted calls resize2fs, which relocates blocks if needed, so you don't have to worry about any of this |
| 06:29.24 | g105b_ | That is just brilliant. Thanks guys. |
| 06:29.31 | alkisg | np |
| 06:30.02 | cheapie | You may also want to look into e2image if you're imaging a drive. I think it's smart enough to only copy used areas, but you do have to give it some options to make it work right, so RTFM :P |
| 06:30.03 | darxmurf | g105b_: there is also a gparted live CD if you want to do that offline |
| 06:30.19 | cheapie | gparted uses e2image if you tell it to copy an ext* partition, I think. |
| 06:30.24 | g105b_ | Gparted works on Windows and Mac too doesn't it? |
| 06:30.42 | cheapie | Linux-only AFAIK. |
| 06:30.50 | pingfloyd | g105b_: you should still have anything important backed up first regardless |
| 06:30.56 | cheapie | But as darxmurf stated, there is a live CD you can use. |
| 06:31.11 | alkisg | partimage is also great to back up partitions |
| 06:31.40 | kopper | g105b_: If you need to use it on Win machine, you could use live distro on USB. |
| 06:31.47 | darxmurf | if you want to resize stuff using a free windows software, you can have a look on Paragon Partition Manager free |
| 06:31.58 | darxmurf | but I would use a live Gparted |
| 06:32.20 | g105b_ | Yeah I don't trust Windows for this kind of thing. |
| 06:32.29 | pingfloyd | just put grml on a usb stick and have that and more |
| 06:33.03 | darxmurf | g105b_: it works :-) but anyway, you have multiple solutions there, take the one you want :-) |
| 06:33.17 | g105b_ | Thank you! |
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| 06:44.11 | Haxxa | Hi Guys, All my interfaces on my server were renamed to eno1 , eno2 etc. except some which are still called eth3, eth4, etc. - anyway to force them all to the new naming scheme i.e. eno4 |
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| 06:46.49 | alkisg | Haxxa: check if /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules exists, if so move it elsewhere, it has the old names |
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| 06:47.55 | Haxxa | alkisg, thanks it does, so just mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.old |
| 06:48.31 | alkisg | Haxxa: you can also move it to /home/somewhere, but I think yes it will be ignored if it doesn't have a .rules extension |
| 06:48.37 | alkisg | And reboot |
| 06:49.30 | Haxxa | alkisg, hmmm... anyway to avoid rebooting? there are now active users using the file server guest on this machine |
| 06:50.18 | alkisg | Haxxa: I'm not sure, because you could reload udev rules, but there are a lot of other components on the networking stack |
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| 07:19.27 | chi | what version of e1000e comes with Debian Jessie? |
| 07:19.58 | chi | is it 3.4.0.2-NAPI? |
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| 07:33.52 | grungy | Hello there, |
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| 07:34.02 | grungy | iptables -t raw -L -v -n -x |
| 07:34.08 | grungy | What does this line mean exactly ? |
| 07:34.16 | grungy | It's cronning on my auth.log |
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| 07:42.38 | petn-randall | grungy: the man page explains each of those parameters. |
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| 07:46.09 | grungy | I didn't get it |
| 07:46.17 | grungy | Why would someone use it ? |
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| 07:51.29 | jelly | filename: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko |
| 07:51.30 | jelly | version: 2.3.2-k |
| 07:52.00 | jelly | chi, ^^ not the latest kernel but it's unlikely a newer driver got backported in the lat 3 months of security updates |
| 07:52.53 | jelly | grungy, extra auditing, tracking changes done by some other tool? |
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| 07:58.18 | kopper | grungy: Someone wanted to see a list of iptables rules in raw chain? |
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| 08:38.46 | qifan | Good Morning Vietnam ! :P |
| 08:38.56 | qifan | hi sunshine :P |
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| 08:39.29 | qifan | https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui |
| 08:39.36 | qifan | howto install it on debian python way ? |
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| 08:43.02 | BanHammor | qifan, for a single-user install, you can install it via Python's pip |
| 08:43.24 | BanHammor | they also have a PPA, which might or might not work for you. |
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| 08:45.54 | qifan | :> |
| 08:46.03 | qifan | doing the single-user install ! |
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| 08:47.54 | qifan | i found revelant to say i found a cool out of the box native game for linux a bit big and espensive but r0cks ! |
| 08:48.01 | qifan | star citizens |
| 08:48.06 | qifan | its called! |
| 08:48.15 | qifan | mmorpg fanatic |
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| 08:55.39 | kopper | qifan: Isn't it still in alpha? |
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| 08:55.50 | kopper | Like it's been for ages |
| 08:56.45 | qifan | could not locate file 'msgfmt', exiting... |
| 08:56.51 | qifan | whatis msgfmt ? |
| 08:56.58 | qifan | what package provide it ? |
| 08:57.05 | qifan | well it runs well on gentoo |
| 08:57.12 | qifan | lackign the cleared finished |
| 08:57.20 | qifan | but thats not a inssue |
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| 08:59.04 | BanHammor | qifan, dpkg -S /path/to/file is the command you're looking for |
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| 08:59.15 | BanHammor | and it tells me the package you need is gettext |
| 09:02.18 | qifan | tks bankie :) |
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| 09:02.44 | qifan | what does -s stands for ? |
| 09:02.47 | qifan | -S |
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| 09:06.08 | qifan | w0rking now ty |
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| 09:10.22 | qifan | I cant access my root (folder) to put youtube-dlg (app) on gnome favorites, its located under "/root/.config/youtube-dlg" |
| 09:10.38 | qifan | from files on command line it works |
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| 09:20.55 | qifan | I cant access my root (folder) to put youtube-dlg (app) on gnome favorites, its located under "/root/.config/youtube-dlg" |
| 09:20.55 | qifan | from files on command line it works |
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| 09:26.51 | EoflaOE | What does it say? Why file explorer are you using? |
| 09:26.56 | EoflaOE | what* |
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| 09:35.23 | ws2k3 | im trying to install debian 8 on a supermicro server. but once i hit install i get a black screen. what can this be? |
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| 09:36.20 | ws2k3 | i also tryed with graphic install. same result |
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| 09:44.45 | ws2k3 | well lets install wheezy and upgrade |
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| 09:49.19 | ws2k3 | gpunk no i didnt |
| 09:49.36 | gpunk | may be you should give it a try ? |
| 09:49.39 | ws2k3 | sputnik but all my servers are still on jessie |
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| 10:13.35 | n4mu | Hello, does anyone know where I can find a page that lists compatible printers ? Search engines are dead to me. Cheers. |
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| 10:18.56 | nix64bit | just got lemon zebra printer gk420t |
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| 10:19.31 | nix64bit | we do we suport these idiots if they dont support or os? |
| 10:19.47 | nix64bit | our os |
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| 10:22.17 | Iridos | n4mu, well⦠http://localhost:631 -> "add printer" -> user: root pw: your root pw (that's ok, because it's for a local service) -> add printers ⦠look at the available printers |
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| 10:24.21 | Iridos | but⦠anything that can do postscript is fine anyway (that's mostly hp) and pretty much anything else, too |
| 10:24.47 | Iridos | hm, funny, you have to go pretty far configuring something |
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| 10:25.50 | Iridos | ah, you can just configure an "ipp" network printer on localhost ⦠give it a random name and then there's a long list of printers that have specific config in cups |
| 10:26.03 | nix64bit | i got it working but need to format it - i guess its pstscript |
| 10:26.14 | nix64bit | isnt that a bit like pdf? |
| 10:26.50 | Iridos | oh, that was for n4mu ⦠also⦠https://www.openprinting.org/drivers |
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| 10:29.12 | nix64bit | oh the irony - just got spammed by microsoft - what a bunch of whatevers |
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| 10:32.31 | nix64bit | any thoughts on ps editors? vim :) |
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| 10:40.48 | n4mu | Iridos: thanks : ] So I guess I just have to go through CUPs to find out.. |
| 10:42.10 | n4mu | I was already in there, but then "it" started to ask me questions and I just wanted to know if a specific printer would work.. And then I thought, there must be a web page somewhere where I can see which printers work (with or without non-free). |
| 10:44.58 | n4mu | is using "ctrl f" within "Firebug" (or whatever it's called these days) to find a printer.. : ] |
| 10:45.22 | n4mu | Iridos: thanks for the tip. Have a nice day. |
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| 10:51.56 | colo-work | I have a (midly technical) co-worker who'd like to learn to interact with a Debian GNU/Linux system via its command line interface. can you recommend a decent learning resource for that? |
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| 10:53.30 | gpunk | https://wiki.debian.org/CommandLineInterface |
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| 10:58.17 | Iridos | colo-work, mmh, definitely not one of those thick unix/linux books⦠tell him about manpages and "man bash" and how to search for keywords within there? |
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| 10:59.13 | Iridos | pretty much any guide I've seen goes over board with too much info. You really need to know maybe 30 commands, 10 of which you use really often⦠and understand something like 5-8 concepts |
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| 11:42.28 | jim | in a few cases, booting has to assemble a raid array (in which is contained the / partition) |
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| 12:03.59 | qifan | how do i change the state of a wifi USB dongle, with ip command ? |
| 12:04.05 | qifan | state is DOWN |
| 12:04.11 | qifan | i want state UP |
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| 12:07.30 | JustASlacker | thats what she said |
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| 12:19.12 | BluesKaj | Hi |
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| 13:18.51 | Neel | ,v amd-libopencl1 |
| 13:18.53 | judd | Package: amd-libopencl1 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4 |
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| 13:19.35 | Neel | ,v amd-opencl-icd |
| 13:19.36 | judd | Package: amd-opencl-icd on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4 |
| 13:19.51 | dob1 | what is the "safe" alternative to encfs? |
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| 13:55.53 | user0 | The MIT License is a permissive license that is short and to the point. It lets people do anything they want with your code as long as they provide attribution back to you and donât hold you liable. What does "attribution" mean ? |
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| 13:57.29 | qifan | Hi dudes! |
| 13:57.31 | qifan | :) |
| 13:58.41 | qifan | my dongle Nano Wifi D-Link 131 Dwa finally w0rks, but the led isnt working |
| 13:58.44 | qifan | why? |
| 13:59.06 | qifan | and doesnt accept passwds it seams |
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| 14:01.57 | jelly | user0: "user0 wrote this library, and not us, we just use it" |
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| 14:09.06 | qifan | :> |
| 14:09.48 | BanHammor | So I see Debian's default Linux config builds ext4 support as a module. |
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| 14:10.09 | hexhaxtron | My https stopped working suddenly. It works with http but not https. What should I do? |
| 14:10.11 | BanHammor | is debian counting on all the boot-important modules to be loaded via initramfs? |
| 14:10.47 | qifan | hexhaxtron, did you mess with proxys ? |
| 14:10.54 | hexhaxtron | qifan: I didn't... |
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| 14:11.30 | qifan | http works https doesnt thats prolly because you messed with certifications |
| 14:11.37 | qifan | kerberus ? |
| 14:11.49 | hexhaxtron | qifan: I use letsencrypt. |
| 14:12.08 | qifan | hmmm |
| 14:12.11 | user0 | hexhaxtron: renew your certificate ? |
| 14:12.19 | hexhaxtron | user0: how? |
| 14:12.44 | qifan | whats the ouput of #date |
| 14:12.48 | qifan | in terminal |
| 14:12.59 | user0 | certbot renew --pre-hook "systemctl stop nginx" --post-hook "systemctl start nginx" --renew-hook "systemctl reload nginx; systemctl reload dovecot; systemctl reload postfix" --quiet |
| 14:13.16 | babilen | Assuming hexhaxtron uses certbot and nginx |
| 14:13.26 | hexhaxtron | I use apache2. |
| 14:13.44 | babilen | And this is about your own site rather than your inability to access any https site online? |
| 14:13.49 | hexhaxtron | qifan: Fri 2 Feb 14:13:38 GMT 2018 |
| 14:13.54 | qifan | k |
| 14:14.03 | qifan | nvm them |
| 14:14.04 | hexhaxtron | babilen: yes, my own site. |
| 14:14.26 | babilen | Did you renew your certificate and reload your webserver afterwards? |
| 14:14.39 | babilen | And if you use certbot something like the above might come in handy |
| 14:14.47 | babilen | I personally also like dehydrated |
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| 14:15.44 | Iridos | well, what site? |
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| 14:16.38 | Iridos | first thing would be to check if it's really the certificat? ^^ |
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| 14:17.54 | hexhaxtron | babilen: Failed authorization procedure. www.thunix.org (tls-sni-01): urn:acme:error:connection :: The server could not connect to the client to verify the domain :: Timeout, thunix.org (tls-sni-01): urn:acme:error:connection :: The server could not connect to the client to verify the domain :: Timeout |
| 14:19.06 | hexhaxtron | Iridos: www.thunix.org |
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| 14:23.51 | user0 | hexhaxtron: the server is not running on https |
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| 14:24.03 | user0 | www.thunix.org took too long to respond. |
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| 14:33.31 | user0 | hexhaxtron: How can i get a shell ? |
| 14:34.08 | user0 | hexhaxtron: Mail registration ok i just saw that. |
| 14:34.34 | JustASlacker | user0: https://uberspace.de/ |
| 14:35.20 | hexhaxtron | user0: just choose a username. |
| 14:35.28 | hexhaxtron | It's working now by the way. :) |
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| 14:36.08 | user0 | https://www.thunix.org/ is not secure |
| 14:36.33 | DrWatson | Hello |
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| 14:37.15 | user0 | hexhaxtron: This is not green in google chrome i don't know why but the certificate looks valid |
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| 14:39.11 | JustASlacker | its not secure because the site loads content from http:// |
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| 14:39.51 | user0 | JustASlacker: Ok |
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| 14:55.51 | vahe | how install json-glib (stabile repo)? |
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| 14:56.33 | vahe | stable* |
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| 14:58.36 | Nawab | how do i install the AMD graphics drivers for OpenCL |
| 14:58.48 | Nawab | the non-free ones |
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| 14:59.19 | towo^work | there are no non-free amnd drivers in debian anymore |
| 15:01.31 | Nawab | does anyone dolitecoin mining on their gpu on debian |
| 15:01.39 | Nawab | do litecoin* |
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| 15:03.25 | dutchfish | Nawab, in regards to OpenCL you might want to read ths https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Beignet/ |
| 15:03.54 | dutchfish | Nawab, and this https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/beignet |
| 15:04.08 | Nawab | thnx dutchfish |
| 15:04.12 | dutchfish | yw |
| 15:05.00 | Nawab | ,v beignet |
| 15:05.01 | judd | Package: beignet on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.3~really.0.8+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 1.3.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.3.0-4; buster: 1.3.2-1; sid: 1.3.2-1 |
| 15:05.40 | dutchfish | Nawab, rem, this is work in progress, only the latest code on sid is what you want, if you really want this to work |
| 15:06.03 | Nawab | what latest code |
| 15:06.07 | dutchfish | Nawab, and you need a recent kernel and AMD open source drivers |
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| 15:07.01 | dutchfish | Nawab, follow the links i gave and their breadcrumbs, this is not for the fiant of hearth ones ..... |
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| 15:07.25 | dutchfish | faint* |
| 15:07.33 | BluesKaj | wonders if the correct kernel modules/headers for nvidia-legacy drivers are available yet. The web pages containing the headers for the kernel modules foe both stretch 9.3 and Buster (KDE/Plasma) are apparently the wrong ones for the nvidia-340 legacy driver, it builds with dkms but won't load on reboot |
| 15:08.01 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, not yet, but i saw snippets of workarounds the other day floating around |
| 15:08.44 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, in testing/sid |
| 15:09.28 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, or go with the older drivers |
| 15:09.36 | dutchfish | !nvidea |
| 15:09.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidea is that company that makes 'closed-source' drivers for their hardware?, or spelled wrong |
| 15:09.56 | BluesKaj | dutchfish, I'm patient because the nouveau driver rarely misbehaves. There are few artifacts now and then , but mostly it works quite well |
| 15:10.11 | dutchfish | BluesKaj, fair enough |
| 15:11.09 | BluesKaj | the website nvidsi driver isn't in the cards ...learned my lesson about that route :-0 |
| 15:11.21 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 15:48.21 | DammitJim | I have a USB drive attached to my laptop to which I rsync files |
| 15:48.43 | DammitJim | is it normal that every time I run rsync, all the files get updated? |
| 15:49.04 | DammitJim | how can I find out the reason why it keeps updating the files every time it runs even though the files haven't really changed |
| 15:49.34 | SwedeMike | DammitJim: what filesystem does the usb drive use? WHat options do you give rsync? |
| 15:49.46 | DammitJim | rsync -av |
| 15:49.50 | DammitJim | let me look at the filesystem |
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| 15:50.36 | DammitJim | vfat |
| 15:50.41 | DammitJim | yuck! |
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| 15:56.58 | SwedeMike | DammitJim: what do you want it to do? trust date+size of destination file without any further checking? I haven't done this to vfat fs, don't know if there is a problem. Typically when I do rsync I ask it to also check hash, but that involves reading all the files again |
| 15:57.35 | greycat | Best solution is to use ext4 (or some other unix file system) on the backup medium. |
| 15:57.48 | jelly | DammitJim: vfat has 2-second timestamp resolution, and limited ownership/permissions support, you will have to tell rsync to ignore differences in some of these things |
| 15:58.11 | jelly | noone made an uvfat equivalent of umsdos |
| 15:58.17 | DammitJim | I just want the files to be backed up |
| 15:58.36 | jelly | the easiest thing to do is what greycat said |
| 15:58.37 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 15:59.00 | DammitJim | yeah, I've started to use ext4 on my USB drives |
| 15:59.16 | DammitJim | I just can't do it on this one because I need to easily connect it to a windows machine *sigh* |
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| 15:59.30 | DammitJim | oh, but I think there are switches to "not care" about timestamp, right? |
| 15:59.31 | jelly | you'll have to learn more about rsync options then |
| 16:00.03 | DammitJim | how do I know if timestamp is the actual issue in my case? |
| 16:00.18 | greycat | By trying it with an option that tells it to ignore timestamp only. |
| 16:00.29 | jelly | you don't. You try to rsync with new options and see if wants to rsync files again |
| 16:00.35 | greycat | If it still "fails" (recopies) then it's some other issue. |
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| 16:00.42 | jelly | DammitJim: -n is useful. |
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| 16:00.53 | lfamorim | Hello! There is a way to save my current network configuration to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:00.59 | jelly | when trying thins out. |
| 16:00.59 | DammitJim | oh ok, thanks |
| 16:01.06 | lfamorim | Whitout do it mannualy ... |
| 16:01.12 | jelly | lfamorim: nope, sorry |
| 16:01.21 | lfamorim | @jelly, ;( |
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| 16:01.37 | lfamorim | crying a river right now rs... |
| 16:01.45 | teatime | lfamorim: it generally isn't very complicated; if you run into problems, feel free to ask us |
| 16:02.04 | teatime | lfamorim: what do you have so much of configured that it's an issue? |
| 16:02.28 | jelly | probably got bonding with vlans on bridges! |
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| 16:02.54 | lfamorim | teatime, the problem is time. Because dnsmasq for libvirt conflict with my DNS program and I don't have any alternative for this DHCP server. |
| 16:02.59 | teatime | I figured it was something like that, pre/post-up commands etc., that even if there was an automatic saver, it wouldn't likely save them :) |
| 16:03.19 | lfamorim | The problem is, libvirt use the same solution for DHCP and DNSMASQ. |
| 16:03.21 | teatime | lfamorim: that doesn't explain why it is difficult for you to create /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:03.31 | lfamorim | teatime, because there is a lot of machines |
| 16:03.43 | lfamorim | many I can only connect with VNC |
| 16:03.51 | teatime | no configuration management? |
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| 16:03.55 | teatime | or even ssh? |
| 16:03.58 | lfamorim | teatime, no network |
| 16:04.52 | teatime | I assume they're all similar; I bet you could make a script that works for your specific environment etc., w/o too much effort/time |
| 16:04.56 | DammitJim | ok, the --modify-window thing seems to be working |
| 16:05.09 | lfamorim | teatime, yes |
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| 16:05.12 | lfamorim | I will do it. |
| 16:05.52 | dob1 | Hi, I have this case: pc1 that can connect to via ssh pc2, pc2 that can connect to via ssh pc3, pc1 can't connect to pc3 via ssh. I would like to rsync data (copy) from pc3 to pc1, can I use ssh tunnel for this? |
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| 16:06.39 | teatime | lfamorim: how are they configuring their network now? if not the interfaces file / ifupdown, must be one of: systemd-networkd, NetworkManager, wicd, etc. ⦠|
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| 16:07.25 | kikadisa | Hell !! |
| 16:07.29 | kikadisa | Hello !! |
| 16:07.41 | kikadisa | I'm planning to sign my ssh key. |
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| 16:08.08 | kikadisa | And i also plan to add "TrustedUserCAKeys" in my sshd_config. Does it mean all my ssh key should be signed ? |
| 16:08.51 | teatime | lfamorim: When you said libvirt and dnsmasq conflict, do you mean a deb package conflict? What packages specifically conflict? |
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| 16:10.44 | lfamorim | teatime, no, I mean dnsmasq use por 53 and my program too. |
| 16:10.49 | lfamorim | They listen in same addr. |
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| 16:13.21 | teatime | lfamorim: so, are you using NetworkManager or something like that? |
| 16:13.31 | teatime | (I asked that question above.) |
| 16:14.16 | lfamorim | no, nothing like that |
| 16:14.32 | lfamorim | teatime, thank you for your help |
| 16:14.48 | lfamorim | I changed the DHCP server to another |
| 16:14.55 | lfamorim | and everthing runs well now |
| 16:15.14 | teatime | sigh. whatever works for you. |
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| 16:15.58 | lfamorim | :) |
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| 16:43.32 | sebboh | Hello. I've just installed pulseaudio via apt-get install pulseaudio. The program 'saytime' works. But 'minimodem' and 'pulsemixer' do not. They say "E: Cannot create PulseAudio stream: Connection refused" and "Failed to connect to pulseaudio daemon: Connection refused", respectively. How do I check if the daemon is running? `sudo ps aux|grep -i pulse` returns no hits other than my grep. I have |
| 16:43.34 | sebboh | rebooted during troubleshooting. |
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| 16:46.10 | Brigo | sebboh, the rebooting didn't help? |
| 16:46.24 | sebboh | `service --status-all` doesn't list anything about pulseaudio. |
| 16:46.51 | sebboh | Brigo: correct, I still get the same error messages and still don't see anything matching 'pulse' in my process list. |
| 16:46.56 | Brigo | sebboh, pulseaudio usually don't run as a service but from your user session. |
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| 16:47.04 | sebboh | ohhhhh |
| 16:47.06 | pard68 | sebboh, PulseAudio's deamon appears to run as needed via socket. So It might not show. Make sure that pulseaudio.socket is enabled. |
| 16:47.18 | Brigo | i have to go, bye :) |
| 16:47.32 | sebboh | Brigo: you gave me the clue, thanks! |
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| 16:47.59 | sebboh | I'm not using a proper desktop environment, it's cobbled together. I probably need to put something about pulseaudio into my .xsession. :) |
| 16:48.48 | sebboh | pard68: I saw a file named pulseaudio.socket in the output of `dpkg -L pulseaudio`. /usr/lib/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket |
| 16:48.56 | sebboh | But, I don't know what to do with it. |
| 16:49.11 | pard68 | sebboh, The Arch wiki states that "PulseAudio will be launched automatically regardless" |
| 16:50.26 | pard68 | That was in ref. to something about autostart up programs. So it sounded like you don't need a desktop environment to run |
| 16:50.44 | greycat | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206679 |
| 16:51.13 | greycat | my 3rd google result for "how to start pulseaudio" |
| 16:52.28 | pard68 | sebboh, follow that bbs post. It's what I was thinking, which is that PulseAudio.socket was masked/disabled. |
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| 16:53.07 | greycat | that's certainly worth checking, but it also contains the command you need to use in a .xsession file to start it up |
| 16:53.08 | sebboh | greycat I'll check your link but your tone indicates that I should have somehow known that pulse audio wasn't started and that it's my responsibility to start it. ...Check your buffer for my first question in here today! ;) |
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| 16:58.26 | sebboh | ok I'll have to learn about this systemd socket thing sometime. Meanwhile, I think the current situation is fine and I'll just manually do `pulseaudio --start` on demand. Easy enough. This is the first time I've wanted audio out of this VM in five years so... :) |
| 16:58.41 | sebboh | Thanks pard68 and greycat! |
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| 16:59.42 | greycat | "the socket thing" is just "systemd should listen on this socket, and whenever a client tries to connect to it, launch the service" |
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| 17:02.12 | pard68 | sebboh, that took care of it? Deb. probably doesn't auto enable that socket. |
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| 17:58.28 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 18:11.54 | Sefid_par | I want to host domain (example200.com) on my newly started VPS. I don't know how to create a dns server for that. Where can I find a tutorial on that? |
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| 18:13.37 | acidtripper | Sefid_par, check Bind tutorial debian |
| 18:13.51 | acidtripper | it's quite easy to configure it |
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| 18:18.19 | somiaj | other options are use your register or some other dns to point to the vps. You don't have to run the dns on the server. |
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| 18:26.38 | Sefid_par | acidtripper: Thank you. I will to understand how to do this task by it. |
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| 18:30.25 | Sefid_par | I have a very first question. I have a VPS. And I have a Domain. In domain shop, I can set a NameServer ns1 and ns2 to a DNS Server. But. How can I make my Domain to point to my VPS? It's very strange for me. How can it point to my server? |
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| 18:31.48 | drocsid | I see cron launching my program via syslog. I also enabled cron logging as mentioned here: http://journal.happy-coding.com/enable-crontab-logging-in-debian-linux/ |
| 18:32.31 | drocsid | I am using crontab from my user account. However I don't see any mail message and the script I'm launching works when I execute it manually |
| 18:36.09 | greycat | you only get email if the job produces output on stdout or stderr |
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| 18:37.32 | DammitJim | what can I do to avoid rsync problems like: rsync: symlink ".... -> .... " failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
| 18:37.42 | DammitJim | is there a way to tell rsync not to do symbolic links? |
| 18:38.01 | DammitJim | duh |
| 18:38.06 | DammitJim | no-links |
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| 18:42.03 | greycat | seriously, use ext4 on your backup file system |
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| 18:47.24 | drocsid | greycat: Thanks. It should be writing to STDOUT / STDERR . I have set -x at the begining of the script. I've added an echo line now and also the permissions look good to me. Stumped |
| 18:47.52 | greycat | Does email work at all? echo test | mailx -s test "$LOGNAME" |
| 18:48.15 | greycat | that's close enough to what cron does that it's a pretty good test |
| 18:48.44 | greycat | obviously it'll fall over if you have special email client variables in your interactive shell session |
| 18:49.40 | drocsid | I see the job launch: Feb 2 10:47:01 kallisti CRON[17591]: (drocsid) CMD (/home/drocsid/code/EMR/create-cluster/create_cluster.sh) . Yes your mail check worked... |
| 18:50.22 | greycat | Don't know what to tell you, then. set -x writes to stderr by default. You didn't do >/dev/null 2>&1 in the crontab line, did you? |
| 18:50.48 | drocsid | No the CMD is the crontab line |
| 18:50.50 | greycat | Or some "exec >... 2>&1" line inside the script? |
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| 18:52.44 | drocsid | Nothing like that. First few lines are like #!/bin/bash; echo "START SCRIPT"; export SOME_ENV='some-string' ... |
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| 18:55.01 | drocsid | when I run it as my user just prints out things expect in the console. I removed set -x just in case there was an issue |
| 18:55.33 | greycat | any other voodoo in the crontab file? I think you can change the disposition of email there. |
| 18:56.42 | drocsid | nothing special there that I can tell. Just the schedule and the command. I see it in the log like I showed above... |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | crontab(5) says it's "MAILTO=..." which can be empty to suppress all email. |
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| 18:59.35 | drocsid | is MAILTO set in the crontab? |
| 18:59.42 | greycat | that's what I'm asking you |
| 19:00.29 | drocsid | No it's not set. I will try setting it via crontab -e... |
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| 19:01.16 | megaTherion | can I mark wifi devices in /etc/net/interfaces as optional (that is telling systemd not to wait on those devices, if they arent plugged in)? |
| 19:01.53 | somiaj | what do you mean by not pluged in with a wifi device? |
| 19:02.00 | megaTherion | I've wifi usb sticks |
| 19:02.07 | megaTherion | if its not plugged in, there is no sense to wait for it |
| 19:02.42 | somiaj | megaTherion: systemd has little to do with the /etc/network/interfaces file, except running the command ifup --allow auto at the boot which will try to bring up all interfaces you have setup with an 'auto interface' line |
| 19:02.43 | drocsid | I set MAILTO but still don't see it launch |
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| 19:02.57 | megaTherion | somiaj: oh ok |
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| 19:03.04 | somiaj | megaTherion: so provided you don't hvae the interfaces marked as auto, the interfaces file won't triger them being brought up at boot. |
| 19:03.28 | drocsid | I think I did a package upgrade yesterday. It seems silly but I'm going to restart my machine and see if it has any effect.. :/ |
| 19:04.35 | megaTherion | somiaj: it can bringt them up at boot, provided they are plugged in |
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| 19:07.05 | megaTherion | somiaj: its just systemd which is saying it waits for network devices with an timeout of like 1m 30s or so |
| 19:07.09 | megaTherion | its a bit too much for my taste |
| 19:10.43 | somiaj | megaTherion: you might need to use another network configuration that can be more flexiable. |
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| 19:10.56 | megaTherion | pff |
| 19:11.36 | megaTherion | somiaj: I'd use NetworkManager, but then I've to login or I wont get any wifi connectivity up and running |
| 19:11.40 | megaTherion | so thats not going to serve me either |
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| 19:15.32 | somiaj | megaTherion: I'm unsure if allow-hotplug is enough in the interfaces file to get what you need. You could also write a udev rule that brings up the interface when you plug it in. |
| 19:16.13 | somiaj | megaTherion: and yes, systemd will wait for the ifup --allow auto command to complete. Systemd has its own network control tool networkd that might be better for your puroses. |
| 19:16.44 | megaTherion | oh ok |
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| 19:17.27 | somiaj | I also think via the network manager cli interface, you can set it up so so interfaces are bought up without logging in and needing a desktop to configure. But I don' tknow network-mangaers configuration. |
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| 19:17.41 | somiaj | overall it just sounds like what you want cannot be fully provided by the interfaces file. |
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| 19:19.57 | drocsid | I added output redirection at the end of the script command and see it write the echo line. Then the cron mail system or my mail must be misconfigured or broken. Still not sure why the script doesn't seem to do anything else... |
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| 19:21.16 | drocsid | Also not sure why the set -x stuff doesn't show up but it does from my shell |
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| 19:25.04 | jelly | drocsid: does a cron job with a simple echo "stuff" result in a mail message sent? |
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| 19:26.58 | drocsid | #!/bin/bash echo "hello world" |
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| 19:27.30 | jelly | no |
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| 19:27.41 | jelly | just * * * * * echo "hello world" |
| 19:27.46 | drocsid | ok |
| 19:28.03 | RoyK | make sure the smtp server works, though |
| 19:28.14 | greycat | SMTP shouldn't be involved, hopefully. |
| 19:28.31 | jelly | they confirmed mailx worked from an interactive shell. |
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| 19:29.10 | jelly | so delivery works somewhat |
| 19:29.19 | drocsid | Yes actually that did work |
| 19:29.41 | jelly | drocsid: pastebin your user's whole "crontab -l", then |
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| 19:31.21 | teatime | megaTherion / somiaj : "system connections", which can be added/edited by users in the netdev group, and also a normal per-user level connection can be promoted to being a system connection by checking the "system connection" checkbox, will be brought up before login |
| 19:31.31 | teatime | (re: networkmanager) |
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| 19:31.59 | teatime | and yes you can do it with nmtui (curses, similar to gui tool layout) or nmcli |
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| 19:32.28 | drocsid | https://pastebin.com/dGErChj8 |
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| 19:34.45 | jelly | drocsid: which editor are you using when you "crontab -e"? |
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| 19:36.55 | drocsid | vim |
| 19:37.06 | jelly | eh, https://pastebin.com/raw/dGErChj8 munged the file. no \n in the last line, so who knows whether other whitespace has been tampered as well |
| 19:37.45 | drocsid | the crontab should be installing properly. As above we see the CMD in the log... |
| 19:38.00 | drocsid | Also the "hello world" mail was sent. |
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| 19:38.37 | jelly | drocsid: the CMD above does not match any of your current job definitions though |
| 19:38.41 | jelly | <drocsid> I see the job launch: Feb 2 10:47:01 kallisti CRON[17591]: (drocsid) CMD (/home/drocsid/code/EMR/create-cluster/create_cluster.sh) . Yes your mail check worked... |
| 19:39.05 | jelly | you have one starting with bash ... and one with redirection. this ^^ matches neither |
| 19:39.53 | drocsid | hi yes I added the redirection line after that... |
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| 19:40.25 | drocsid | because I wasn't getting a mail message |
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| 19:41.50 | jelly | I wonder... go remove the redirection now, but leave that last echo job definition in place |
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| 19:42.27 | jelly | vim should not be able to create a line without \n at the end |
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| 19:44.07 | somiaj | jelly: even if it is the last line of a file and the user didn't hit enter? |
| 19:44.23 | greycat | yes, vim normally adds \n even if the original input file lacked it |
| 19:45.02 | greycat | as long as you do a :w or whatever, to write the file back to disk |
| 19:45.04 | somiaj | does it rember this, because next time you load the file with vim the newline isn't added. |
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| 19:45.22 | greycat | what are you doing to test this? |
| 19:45.55 | jelly | vim is sane that way unlike some other editors |
| 19:46.00 | somiaj | I'm using vim, and using :w to write it, next time I load the file in vim, If I don't put a newline character at the last line, it isn't there when in vim (for woulnd't I see a new line if I did) |
| 19:46.36 | somiaj | or wonder if this is a \n vs \r? Just trying to better understand. |
| 19:46.39 | greycat | somiaj: in my test, I did printf foo > bar; vim bar; and I wrote the file and exited, and the file was now 4 bytes long. Then vim bar; again, and there was no indication of [noeol]. |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | somiaj: also, I have "set notextauto" and other things in ~/.vimrc |
| 19:47.27 | jelly | "bar" [noeol] 1L, 3C 1,1 All |
| 19:47.35 | jelly | huh, so that's what it looks like |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | anyway, this is a tangent, with the original intent being to make sure drocsid's crontab ends with newline, or at least that the line we *care* about isn't last, so therefore it ends with \n |
| 19:48.02 | somiaj | yea, I think my issue is how to test the resulting file for a new line or not... |
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| 19:48.12 | greycat | hd works |
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| 19:50.41 | somiaj | yea, I see the newline now, and think I see how vim ignores the last newline on files when displaying them (so it keeps it a hidden caracter of some sorts) |
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| 19:51.45 | greycat | vim "displays" the newline by not starting the tildes on the same line, but rather on the next line down |
| 19:52.05 | somiaj | ahh. |
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| 20:20.59 | jpw | so i was wondering today about enterprise-y package management solutions for debian. on the EL side of things we have satellite/spacewalk. i'm wondering if any equivilent projects exist for debian based systems. |
| 20:21.34 | DanteD | I've been using debian on desktops and now I'm trying Debian on a server, but it didn't start good. The first service I tried installing (inadyn) fails to start with the init script but works fine when I run it from command line. All my attemps to debug the init script failure have failed. It just says start(exited) and inadyn failed! with 'systemctl status inadyn'. Any ideas? |
| 20:22.40 | DanteD | On Gentoo server there was no package for this program so I made my own init script which worked better than this |
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| 20:26.14 | drocsid | I believe I can see the vim whitespace characters with set list. I see the $ character at the end of each line which I believe represents the newline.... |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | correct |
| 20:26.36 | drocsid | I think if the crontab was bad I wouldn't see the CMD log... |
| 20:27.13 | misty5 | Okay, "directory service", I can buy that. But why "directory INFORMATION service"? What else would such a directory service serve, food? |
| 20:27.22 | greycat | OK, long shots here. "Are you editing the right file?" "Are you editing the file on the right computer?" |
| 20:27.57 | greycat | misty5: hookers and blackjack |
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| 20:29.57 | misty5 | serves greycat dogfood |
| 20:30.33 | karlpinc | Any hardware recommendations for what amounts to a little NAS with Debian pre-installed. I want to be able to rsync to it. And I want either at least 2TB of spinning disk or a E-SATA or USB3 port I can use to attach an external drive. (I'm suspicious of SSD in the event of power loss.) It needs to be able to reboot after power is recovered, without keyboard, monitor, etc. |
| 20:32.28 | karlpinc | Fanless would be very nice. |
| 20:32.38 | nkuttler | debian preinstalled? |
| 20:32.55 | karlpinc | nkuttler: That'd be best. If I can't find anything then.... |
| 20:35.08 | karlpinc | And there's always the hidden bomb of proprietary drivers -- that are no longer supported after a kernel upgrade or something. |
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| 20:37.33 | phantomcircuit | is there a special way to install from netinst without xorg? |
| 20:37.47 | greycat | just un-check the Debian desktop stuff at the end |
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| 20:49.23 | DanteD | And the problem was that /var/run/inadyn/ was owned by root and not by 'debian-inadyn' user. Should I report bug like this somewhere (this on on stretch) ? |
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| 21:24.55 | dracc | How do I select what LLVM-version to use when building mesa? I have llvm-7 installed but get the message "configure: error: LLVM 3.9.0 or newer is required for radeonsi" |
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| 21:45.24 | chookie_ | Hello everyone, our team has just finished working on our AlphaBay market clone, and it's now up and live! |
| 21:45.29 | chookie_ | empiremktxgjovhm (dot) onion |
| 21:45.56 | chookie_ | We hope to get the market populated quickly, so please spread the link to your friends/favorite vendors |
| 21:46.09 | chookie_ | Feel free to check us out, thanks everyone! :) |
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| 21:54.29 | qifan | Q: whats the real path for quake files , i downloaded, quake, i searched quake data i have game-data-packager |
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| 21:54.40 | qifan | but game dont run i also have pak0 |
| 21:54.43 | qifan | for multiplayer |
| 21:55.02 | qifan | but i dont know the real path for the file pak0 |
| 21:55.06 | qifan | and maps |
| 21:55.06 | qifan | :D |
| 21:56.37 | qifan | game-data-packager is already the newest version (49.1). && bash: game-data-packager: comando não encontrado |
| 21:56.49 | qifan | Command not found |
| 21:57.43 | greycat | use "dpkg -L pkgname" to see what files came from the package |
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| 21:58.04 | greycat | possibly use "dpkg -L pkgname | grep /bin" to see what programs came from the package, although programs could be installed somewhere else... |
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| 21:58.41 | greycat | hmm, actually make that "grep /bin/" to be sure |
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| 22:03.03 | awal1 | according to debian wiki, when you run "game-data-packager" you get a list of supported games (games that can be built) |
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| 22:03.18 | greycat | ,file bin/game-data-packager |
| 22:03.22 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:03.48 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/Games/GameDataPackager |
| 22:04.04 | greycat | there's no "bin" at https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/game-data-packager/filelist |
| 22:04.42 | qifan | :( |
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| 22:08.17 | qifan | i have them all |
| 22:09.04 | greycat | Just sayin', there is no obvious *program* included in that package. Nor did I see any instructions for how to use it, on https://wiki.debian.org/Games/GameDataPackager |
| 22:09.29 | greycat | You could look in /usr/share/doc/game-data-packager/ and see if there are instructions there. |
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| 22:14.55 | TomTomTosch | there is this binary: /usr/games/game-data-packager |
| 22:16.00 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 22:16.10 | greycat | OK. Totally forgot about /usr/games/. |
| 22:16.44 | talin | hello. i followed the instructions at debian.org to upgrade to buster. basically changed from jessie to buster in sources.list and ran apt update && apt upgrade. it seems to work fairly well, but there are some packages that i can't find when i search with apt search... anything else i should do? |
| 22:16.57 | greycat | you can't go from jessie to buster. you have to do it in steps. |
| 22:17.07 | greycat | maybe you got lucky! |
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| 22:17.45 | greycat | You also know that "apt upgrade" did NOT complete the dist-upgrade, right? |
| 22:19.20 | dracc | Any tips on how to install just one package (with recommends) from another dist (rc-buggy instead of testing)? |
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| 22:20.22 | dracc | I want the latest mesa, but don't want to upgrade all other packages to rc-buggy as seems to be the default behaviour when adding a later dist to sources.list.d |
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| 22:21.03 | karlpinc | dracc: You don't want to install a package from a later dist, best way is to backport it. |
| 22:21.22 | karlpinc | !tell dracc about backports |
| 22:21.35 | karlpinc | !tell dracc about ssb |
| 22:21.40 | phantomcircuit | so i've installed onto an msata on a device which has a serial console at /dev/ttyS0 and attempted to configure getty with systemctl |
| 22:21.45 | greycat | !rc-buggy |
| 22:21.45 | dpkg | methinks rc-buggy is a codename for the <experimental> distribution. |
| 22:21.57 | phantomcircuit | but the last output i get is "loading initial ramdisk..." and then nothing |
| 22:22.35 | dracc | karlpinc, Oh, thanks. |
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| 22:22.54 | dracc | !tell dracc about uupdate |
| 22:23.04 | phantomcircuit | i've also tried to get ssh working but it's not getting an ip via dhcp |
| 22:23.12 | jpw | ,systemd |
| 22:23.25 | jpw | wc |
| 22:23.46 | phantomcircuit | presumably because the network interface name is different from the one configured on /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 22:26.44 | phantomcircuit | i've no idea why the serial console isn't working though |
| 22:28.59 | dracc | !tell dracc package recompile |
| 22:29.10 | dracc | !tell dracc <package recompile> |
| 22:29.27 | dracc | !tell dracc package_recompile |
| 22:29.34 | dracc | !tell dracc package-recompile |
| 22:29.39 | dracc | !tell dracc package recompile |
| 22:29.49 | booyah | !tell dracc "package recompile" |
| 22:29.53 | dracc | !tell dracc about package recompile |
| 22:29.56 | booyah | !tell dracc recompile |
| 22:30.00 | dracc | forgot |
| 22:30.04 | booyah | yeap. we can't figure out that one |
| 22:30.05 | dracc | forgot 'about' :D |
| 22:30.25 | booyah | dpkg: recompile |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | well, recompile is Why have the source available for a kernel if your not going to use it? Dont fear the code, fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to The Dark side (aka windows) |
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| 22:32.59 | dracc | And now it worked to build the same exact file. fml. |
| 22:33.06 | dracc | Thanks for all the help karlpinc ! |
| 22:33.45 | dracc | Do I need to go through the same procedure for all the mesa-related packages I want installed? |
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| 22:39.11 | talin | hello. i followed the instructions at debian.org to upgrade to buster. basically changed from stretch to buster in sources.list and ran apt update && apt upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. it seems to work fairly well, but there are some packages that i can't find when i search with apt search... anything else i should do? |
| 22:40.16 | TomTomTosch | phantomcircuit: try adding console=ttyS0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub. i can't remember if i did that or enable the systemd getty service or both to get it to work for me. |
| 22:40.45 | phantomcircuit | TomTomTosch, i did that, which is why i can see the kernel booting |
| 22:41.04 | phantomcircuit | but when it loads the initial ramdisk it appears to ignore that |
| 22:41.36 | annadane | talin, well, which packages |
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| 22:43.57 | talin | annadane: i do apt search kivy and it finds nothing |
| 22:44.14 | annadane | ,v kivy |
| 22:44.15 | judd | No package named 'kivy' was found in amd64. |
| 22:44.21 | annadane | well, that'd be why |
| 22:44.33 | talin | huh? that's strange, someone here yesterday told me it's there |
| 22:45.02 | annadane | there's python-kivy and python3-kivy |
| 22:45.08 | annadane | also take a look at https://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 22:45.10 | talin | but apt searhc should find those? |
| 22:45.23 | annadane | and also https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
| 22:45.38 | annadane | well, right, i did apt search kivy and came up with those |
| 22:46.13 | TomTomTosch | phantomcircuit: that's my config: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 22:46.28 | talin | annadane: here nothing shows up |
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| 22:46.49 | annadane | talin, post your sources list, paste.debian.net |
| 22:46.52 | talin | annadane: if i do apt search emacs, for example, a bunch of stuff shows up |
| 22:47.14 | annadane | ,v python-kivy |
| 22:47.15 | judd | Package: python-kivy on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.0+dfsg-2.1; stretch: 1.9.1-1; sid: 1.9.1-1+b1 |
| 22:47.19 | annadane | ah that's why, i'm on sid |
| 22:47.23 | annadane | so it shows up for me |
| 22:47.38 | talin | annadane: http://paste.debian.net/1008600/ |
| 22:47.56 | talin | annadane: hm, so it's not in buster? i thought upgrading to testing would generally provide me with more/newer packages |
| 22:48.19 | annadane | some packages aren't in testing because they don't meet certain criteria or other reasons |
| 22:48.24 | annadane | !why isn't python-kivy in testing |
| 22:48.24 | dpkg | python-kivy is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python-kivy |
| 22:48.44 | annadane | note the "news" section, most recent item, "removed from testing" |
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| 22:49.09 | annadane | and specifically bug 873501 |
| 22:49.18 | annadane | bug #873501 |
| 22:49.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/873501 in src:kivy (open, buster, sid): «kivy FTBFS with Cython 0.26»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-08-28; last modified: 2017-10-02. |
| 22:50.01 | annadane | it appears that it failed a reproducible package test |
| 22:50.19 | talin | annadane: that's very specific, thanks a lot! |
| 22:50.27 | talin | so my distro might not be broken after all |
| 22:50.46 | talin | yesterday someone in here shouted at me, that i'd destroyed my distro etc |
| 22:53.28 | annadane | talin, but to avoid confusion in future perhaps search packages via packages.debian.org |
| 22:53.40 | annadane | apt search only uses your current sources list |
| 22:53.53 | annadane | and check the tracker for news related items like that |
| 22:54.30 | talin | annadane: that's very useful, thanks a lot. i didn't know this tracker even existed |
| 22:54.46 | annadane | also useful: https://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 22:55.52 | talin | nice! |
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| 23:01.56 | lean_wow_070707 | Hey guys, my optical drive wasn't showing up, then i added /sbin to my PATH and now it works, i can use my optical drive now :D |
| 23:02.06 | lean_wow_070707 | i am on Debian Stretch |
| 23:02.54 | lean_wow_070707 | i just wanted to share this info because maybe someone has the same issue |
| 23:03.47 | lean_wow_070707 | i restarted my computer after i added /sbin to my PATH on ~/.bashrc |
| 23:04.24 | lean_wow_070707 | i am going to burn Debian Testing now :D |
| 23:04.50 | iflema | o/ |
| 23:05.10 | lean_wow_070707 | i guess it is because the mount command is on /sbin |
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| 23:05.27 | lean_wow_070707 | or idk |
| 23:07.45 | annadane | "burn testing" implies you want to install testing by using the installer |
| 23:08.04 | annadane | i'd instead just upgrade/install from stable and update to testing from there if you really want it |
| 23:08.15 | annadane | bear in mind it comes with risks, you can't downgrade back down to stable, yada yada |
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| 23:09.28 | lean_wow_070707 | okay, i want a clean install of Debian Testing, i will format the whole disk |
| 23:10.00 | annadane | !testing installer |
| 23:10.00 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:12.24 | lean_wow_070707 | ok look |
| 23:13.18 | lean_wow_070707 | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 23:13.25 | lean_wow_070707 | this is what i want to burn |
| 23:13.44 | lean_wow_070707 | this one https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:14.10 | annadane | right; upgrade from a minimal install of *stable* to avoid the most potential problems |
| 23:14.43 | lean_wow_070707 | okay, like what problems? |
| 23:15.04 | TomTomTosch | you want the 32 bit one? |
| 23:15.14 | annadane | well, the testing installer not being foolproof, upgrading many packages instead of just a few |
| 23:15.32 | lean_wow_070707 | yes |
| 23:16.14 | lean_wow_070707 | ok how would i upgrade? |
| 23:17.48 | lean_wow_070707 | i don't understand sorry |
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| 23:18.09 | lean_wow_070707 | i thought it wouldd be ok to install it from a cd |
| 23:18.53 | annadane | have you considered using stable instead if you don't know how to upgrade from stable to testing? testing can break and you may not know how to fix it |
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| 23:19.45 | annadane | the general procedure is to replace stable or stretch in your sources list with buster (if you don't want nasty surprises when buster becomes stable) or testing (if you want to track testing all the way through the next release), apt update, apt upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 23:23.35 | lean_wow_070707 | ok i am using stretch right now, and i wanted to change to testing because i wanted the latest version of the programs, also i want to use OpenBox instead of XFCE |
| 23:23.52 | annadane | well, you can use openbox in stable, too; apt install openbox |
| 23:24.06 | annadane | see also https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 23:24.18 | somiaj | ,v openbox |
| 23:24.19 | judd | Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 3.6.1-4; buster: 3.6.1-6; sid: 3.6.1-6 |
| 23:24.45 | somiaj | lean_wow_070707: you might not notice that much of a difference between openbox in stretch and testing. Also window mangaers like openbox are usually fairly straight forwared to backport. |
| 23:24.56 | somiaj | actually wait, you'll get no difference in openbox. |
| 23:26.18 | coruja | but there are, not concerning openbox itself, but its application menu |
| 23:26.45 | lean_wow_070707 | oh well, i wanted the latest version of hedgewars (the game) that is on testing |
| 23:27.14 | somiaj | is the application menu a seperate package? Yea I guess if openbox gives multiple packages, I was expeciting everything to be self contained in a single package. |
| 23:27.24 | annadane | "testing" is not guaranteed to work as well as stable |
| 23:27.40 | somiaj | lean_wow_070707: we are just giving suggestions. Basic rule is if you don't know how to upgrade/install testing, then you won't know how to fix things when it breaks, and we would rather you have a working system you know how to use. |
| 23:27.47 | annadane | i use unstable, but one must accept the risks |
| 23:27.54 | somiaj | lean_wow_070707: by all means use testing, but things will break. |
| 23:28.02 | coruja | somiaj, it was in the meantime but reverted again by a script included into openbox iirc |
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| 23:29.09 | lean_wow_070707 | then if i upgrade from stable to testing, it is less risky than to install testing? |
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| 23:29.26 | annadane | yes because the testing installer is still in beta, effectively |
| 23:29.34 | somiaj | lean_wow_070707: in general yes, but even then, things might break. |
| 23:29.45 | annadane | the safest way to install testing is to install a minimal version of stable and upgrade to testing and install what you want later |
| 23:29.48 | somiaj | and sooner or later something will. We just want you to be prepared to fix things when they do. |
| 23:31.05 | coruja | the safest and best way is to grab the (stable) mini.iso and install whatever release you like from there (but needs working network while installing) |
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| 23:31.59 | annadane | it helps to have a second machine with stable in case something goes wrong as well |
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| 23:33.30 | lean_wow_070707 | okay, is this the stable mini.iso? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:33.58 | coruja | no, that's what it's called, netinstall |
| 23:34.12 | lean_wow_070707 | where i get the mini? |
| 23:34.40 | annadane | also: i hope you have backups for your files |
| 23:35.32 | lean_wow_070707 | well i don't have important files, so i can erase the whole disk |
| 23:36.25 | coruja | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 23:38.46 | lean_wow_070707 | okay thanks you so much guys |
| 23:39.49 | annadane | and just be aware that if it all goes to hell, you can't downgrade back to stable, you'd have to reinstall stable if you want it |
| 23:43.17 | lean_wow_070707 | okay, and if i use buster in the source list instead of testing, then that is less risky? |
| 23:43.47 | annadane | yes, because tracking the "buster" codename will ensure that when buster becomes stable, you don't get an influx of packages from the new "testing" aka bullseye |
| 23:44.03 | annadane | at that point you'll be back on stable |
| 23:44.13 | annadane | it's just the difference of tracking codenames vs release branches |
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| 23:44.55 | lean_wow_070707 | okay :D thank you so much |
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| 23:49.23 | annadane | and it's not even less risky as such, it's just to avoid unpleasant surprises |
| 23:49.45 | annadane | but the time after a stable release for those of us crazy/stupid/both to use testing/unstable can be fairly turbulent |
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