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| 00:02.16 | awal1 | abrotman, very slow wifi here, sorry |
| 00:02.18 | awal1 | https://paste.debian.net/1008693 |
| 00:02.53 | awal1 | i use wicd |
| 00:03.04 | awal1 | + wicd gtk |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | awal1: yes, you can comment it out there |
| 00:04.20 | awal1 | so just comment primary network, not loopback, right? |
| 00:04.24 | awal1 | abrotmn |
| 00:04.30 | awal1 | abrotman :P |
| 00:04.39 | abrotman | Correct :) |
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| 00:04.46 | awal1 | good, |
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| 00:05.02 | awal1 | networking is my weak side on gnu/linux |
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| 00:05.42 | awal1 | I have to learn seriously about all networking sides; almost bcoz the world is full of bad guys :P |
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| 00:06.17 | hmmwhatsthisdo | Does anyone know of some documentation on how isohybrid images work at a technical level? I was under the impression that ISOs had to be 9660 FSes, which wasn't directly compatible with block storage |
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| 00:12.24 | abrotman | awal1: better? |
| 00:13.30 | awal1 | abrotman, not sure yet. I'll see when next shutdown. I am connected with the machine (system) I was talking about (sid) :P |
| 00:13.58 | awal1 | commented eth0 entries; will see |
| 00:14.05 | awal1 | thanks |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:57.03 | gubernator | How do I enable my Intel Dual Band Wireless 8260? I have downloaded firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb but what now? I have no ethernet connection. |
| 00:57.08 | gubernator | Thanks for any advice |
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| 01:06.44 | nixoeen | I created a package and uploaded to mentors.debian.net. The package has a watch file and it works fine in my computer, but in the website, there is a warning that it doesn't work. Is it my package or Mentors website? :) Link: https://mentors.debian.net/package/persepolis |
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| 01:48.19 | tolland | just logged into a debian 9 box, and when I open some file for editing ,and try to copy something out to use in another program, it goes into visual mode |
| 01:48.54 | tolland | which in itself is fine, but its blocking konsole copying into clipboard |
| 01:49.39 | tolland | odd thing, is that "set mouse=a" is actually disabled in /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 01:52.47 | themill | tolland: vim's default changed. You can shift+mouse in konsole or change the vim config |
| 01:53.34 | themill | is yet to decide if the new default is a good idea or not |
| 01:53.53 | themill | But then there's always a strong element of https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 01:55.35 | tolland | if you have to login to a bunch of machines, which are usually ubuntu/centos, and occaisionally deb. Then its a slight annoy |
| 01:56.14 | themill | Up until you get used to the new config |
| 01:56.18 | tolland | however these days, I generally have to take 2 or three shots at, apt/yum/dpkg and service/systemctl or whatever before I find my bearings |
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| 02:06.08 | tolland | its doing it even for vi mode |
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| 04:11.20 | ghormoon | hi, when is /dev/video0 used? does only Xserver use it or do apps use it directly too, even when using X? |
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| 04:13.39 | empty_string | ghormoon: that is a camera |
| 04:13.48 | empty_string | or capture card, or similar video *input* |
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| 04:16.24 | ghormoon | ok, so just the X serve rsocket would do, thanks. |
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| 05:46.02 | Riku-D830 | got a fresh install of 9.3 here with gnome 3.22 and no windows shares will show up in windows network |
| 05:49.59 | rant | Riku-D830: which version of windows? |
| 05:50.26 | Riku-D830 | several on my network but the two I'm trying to connect to are both windows 10 |
| 05:50.39 | Riku-D830 | no computers show up at all |
| 05:52.03 | rant | have you tried to acces them directly by IP? //192.168.1.100/ or such? |
| 05:52.49 | rant | may also be smb://192.168.1.100/ idk.. havent really used gnome since 3.x came out |
| 05:53.05 | Riku-D830 | that seems to work |
| 05:53.15 | Riku-D830 | and yes it's with the smb: to declare protocol |
| 05:53.38 | Riku-D830 | okay other problem |
| 05:53.41 | rant | if that works then you are either in the wrong workgroup or the windows computers arent broadcasting.. could be a firewall thing |
| 05:54.00 | Riku-D830 | I installed pulseaudio-equalizer and it's not showing up in my applications |
| 05:54.02 | rant | you should however be able to go to the entire network even if you're in the wrong workgroup I'd think |
| 05:54.27 | rant | its not showing up in mine either.. cause I dont have any such thing.. and never heard of any such thing |
| 05:54.32 | Riku-D830 | I usually connect by IP anyway I was just not quite formatting it correctly |
| 05:54.49 | rant | in Gnome 2.x it worked with or without the smb: |
| 05:55.06 | Riku-D830 | my headphones need a bit of a bass boost to sound right which is fairly straightforward in windows |
| 05:55.19 | rant | ah |
| 05:55.30 | Riku-D830 | was directed to pulseaudio-equalizer here, which I have used in the past but it doesn't seem to be working now |
| 05:57.03 | rant | did you install the pulseaudio-equalizer package? |
| 05:57.14 | Riku-D830 | I can use the equalizer in audacious but it doesn't have as many bands as I'd like and isn't system wide |
| 05:57.25 | Riku-D830 | yes I installed it, removed it, installed it again, rebooted |
| 05:57.29 | Riku-D830 | doesn't want to work |
| 05:57.55 | rant | well I never heard of it before now and my preliminary look shows its not in jessie but is in stretch.. and that its a sink |
| 05:58.11 | Riku-D830 | ah maybe |
| 05:58.13 | rant | for a sink to work it has to be selected as a sink |
| 05:58.18 | Riku-D830 | I might have to do that yes |
| 05:58.39 | Riku-D830 | haven't touched desktop linux in over a year forgive me |
| 05:58.57 | rant | I'm in MATE (Gnome 2.x) on Debian 9.3 and I have a sound icon in my notification area I cna right click and goto Sound Preferences |
| 06:00.16 | rant | I didnt touch one for 3 years.. came back to all this systemd and crap.. heh.. was a nightmare readjusting |
| 06:03.35 | Riku-D830 | I just put debian back on my old laptop, no graphics drivers for windows 10 and 7 is too old which is why this lives as a linux only machine |
| 06:03.47 | rant | yes it would seem there is very little in this package.. a sink shared library and a qpaeq binary.. no menu entry |
| 06:03.52 | Riku-D830 | had no reason not to use windows on my new laptop though because I wanted to play games |
| 06:04.06 | Riku-D830 | and yeah I had to run some pactl commands |
| 06:04.06 | rant | Riku-D830: you tried gaming on linux lately? |
| 06:04.16 | Riku-D830 | not really |
| 06:04.22 | rant | I used to play games on linux years ago.. and I'm sure its gotten better since then |
| 06:04.28 | Riku-D830 | my favourite games are windows only |
| 06:04.38 | Riku-D830 | and don't run well on wine at all |
| 06:05.01 | rant | ah.. I used crossover back in the day.. played GTA-SA quite well |
| 06:05.18 | Riku-D830 | plus I use triple monitors at my desk and the nvidia drivers lack surround support on linux |
| 06:05.41 | Riku-D830 | well I mean GTA:SA is pretty old it can't be that hard to do |
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| 06:05.54 | rant | it wasnt old back when I was playing it :P |
| 06:06.34 | rant | and idk what you mean by surround, but multihead support has been around over a decade and works fine with nvidia drivers |
| 06:06.59 | Riku-D830 | surround is using 3-5 monitors as a single display surface for ultra widescreen gaming |
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| 06:09.27 | rant | hmm.. yes I suppose you'd have to hack a bit to get that to work properly.. most things as I recall tend to go to one screen only even when the desktop is stretched across multiple screens |
| 06:09.51 | rant | and the earliest game I recall having support for 3 seperate displays was doom |
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| 06:10.23 | rant | but it was designed to output to different screens, where you're talking a layer inbetween the game and the system that does this automatically |
| 06:10.47 | Riku-D830 | after bezel correction games just see my 3x 1280x1024 as a 3980x1024 display |
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| 06:11.20 | rant | I saw one setup at the store with multiple curved screens.. interesting I guess but didnt really wow me.. |
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| 06:12.04 | Riku-D830 | https://i.imgur.com/dJiICj0.jpg it's pretty neat |
| 06:13.05 | rant | the one I saw at the store just had two curved monitors.. I think it may look better with an odd number so you dont have a seam right in the f'n middle :P |
| 06:13.32 | rant | I wonder if anyone makes edgeless displays you could use for that |
| 06:14.07 | Riku-D830 | samsung makes a single display that's almost as wide but it's about $1500 |
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| 06:14.27 | Riku-D830 | this cost me less than $100 |
| 06:14.49 | rant | if I were gonna go all out for gaming I think I'd rather just get a projector.. they can usually achieve 200" or so easily |
| 06:14.59 | Riku-D830 | they're Dell 1908FP monitors, I removed the plastic housing to reduce the bezel width |
| 06:15.13 | Riku-D830 | https://i.imgur.com/qIrMe0C.jpg can definitely look very nice |
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| 06:19.16 | rant | that really wasnt necessary debhelper :P |
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| 06:19.16 | rant | my connection is rather flaky.. so this is like downloading porn in 1994 over here with these high res photos |
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| 06:19.16 | Riku-D830 | heh and that's recompressed to 4.2MB by imgur |
| 06:19.16 | Riku-D830 | the original is something like 24MB |
| 06:19.16 | rant | Riku-D830: thats kinda like cheating if you play online with people who dont have that view.. though the gam has to actuall zoom out the lens too.. Assault Cube did that. |
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| 06:19.17 | Riku-D830 | yeah some games intentionally restrict FOV in which case you actually see less with this |
| 06:19.17 | rant | you need a bigger desk it seems :P |
| 06:19.19 | Riku-D830 | notably overwatch just crops the frame |
| 06:19.29 | rant | a family dog or a kid could knock those things off that little table you got |
| 06:19.48 | Riku-D830 | yeah the desk is already extended in width |
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| 06:20.28 | rant | I'd think if you were gonna do that you'd have used wider aspect displays |
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| 06:20.59 | Riku-D830 | that becomes ridiculously wide really fast |
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| 06:21.06 | Riku-D830 | this is already a bit wider than 32:9 |
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| 06:21.37 | rant | how much video ram do you have to handle that framebuffer? |
| 06:21.53 | Riku-D830 | ah that's not really an issue anymore but my card is 8GB |
| 06:22.15 | rant | its always an issue.. heh.. your fb size is literally wxhxd |
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| 06:22.36 | rant | and thats not counting offscreen buffers |
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| 06:22.49 | Riku-D830 | intel hd can handle 4K which is about 2x more pixels than this |
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| 06:25.11 | Riku-D830 | for desktop usage I mean definitely not gaming |
| 06:25.34 | rant | by my calculations that's a little over a GB for the FB alone at that size at 32bits |
| 06:25.49 | rant | and as I said thats just on-screen buffer |
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| 06:27.37 | rant | (((3980x1024)*32)*8)=1,043,333,120bytes |
| 06:28.18 | rant | oh wait thats the wrong calculation :P |
| 06:28.47 | empty_string | yeah, shouldn't that be dividing by 8? :P |
| 06:30.05 | alkisg | 16 MB :) |
| 06:30.37 | Riku-D830 | like I was saying having enough VRAM for your resolution hasn't really been an issue since the 90s |
| 06:30.47 | rant | should be ((3980x1024)*32)/(8*1048576)=15.546875 |
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| 06:31.14 | rant | not for simple 2d without backstore.. but when gaming you have tons of offscreen buffers |
| 06:31.20 | Riku-D830 | maybe into the early 2000s if you're using intel graphics |
| 06:34.55 | rant | the only way you can render a 3d environment with the ability to just move the mouse about panning the camera is to have all that loaded already :P |
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| 06:44.58 | Riku-D830 | ah yeah I know, I've actually consumed close to 8GB in some games |
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| 06:53.49 | rant | I recall getting a 286 w/ like 20MB HDD and wondering how I was gonna fill that up.. these days people take pictures bigger than that at times :P |
| 06:54.02 | Riku-D830 | FLAC files man |
| 06:54.23 | rant | I never fooled with FLAC as most portables don't support it |
| 06:54.31 | Riku-D830 | song I'm listening to is 34.6MB |
| 06:54.54 | rant | I'd think with FLAC it'd be so def you couldn't hear it :P |
| 06:55.04 | Riku-D830 | I run rockbox on my ipod classic with a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO mSATA |
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| 06:56.02 | rant | hmm.. idk what happened to mine.. I broke the small backlight cable taking it apart once cause the HDD came unplugged.. but don't remember what I ever did with it |
| 06:56.31 | Riku-D830 | I filled the 160GB HDD pretty quickly |
| 06:56.45 | rant | damn.. mine was only 60GB |
| 06:57.31 | Riku-D830 | I have about 270GB of music on it right now |
| 06:57.55 | rant | they make really good players.. but that itunes is probably the worst software I ever seen.. I'd rather run windows than itunes |
| 06:58.19 | Riku-D830 | hence why the first thing I did when I got the thing was install rockbox |
| 06:58.36 | Riku-D830 | diverged from the quick setup when it said to download itunes |
| 06:58.42 | Riku-D830 | flashed the bootloader instead |
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| 07:00.37 | Riku-D830 | the battery life isn't as good under rockbox and is even worse with the SSD though |
| 07:01.18 | rant | yeah its not that simple with the itouch.. I had a 2nd and 3rd gen and managed to hack em, but where the rub comes in is when you have something that the new version or a program you want needs a newer IOS, you gotta go back to itunes and it'll try lock you out again :P |
| 07:01.54 | rant | really the only feature I found myself wanting with the itouch was wireless sync with linux and not having to use itunes to sync |
| 07:01.59 | rant | other than that I loved it |
| 07:02.57 | rant | those little things got me back into gaming when I had em.. they're wonderful little gaming platforms.. I even liked Madden on them and I hate Madden :P |
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| 07:08.53 | Riku-D830 | I've always been more inclined to dedicated handhelds for gaming on the go |
| 07:08.57 | Riku-D830 | I carry a New 2DS XL |
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| 07:10.03 | rant | I'm not much of a gamer. I like things with quick gratification and easy to walk away from typically when it comes to games.. and that itouch is the ADGD (Attention Deficit Gamer Disorder :) dream |
| 07:11.00 | rant | you can switch between games or turn it off so easily and quickly and always come back right where you left off.. IOS multitasked way better than android. |
| 07:12.13 | rant | I also seen a lot of sales on the apple store.. seemed like every weekend and even more so on holidays there were games really cheap. I'd bought a buncha EA games around Christmas for $0.99/ea |
| 07:13.00 | Riku-D830 | my 2DS has CFW on it so I may or may not haved paid for the 100GB of games on it |
| 07:13.18 | Riku-D830 | *have |
| 07:13.58 | rant | I thought about buying one of those DS back in the day before all the new models came out.. cause at the time I was looking for a decent mobile computing platform and it seemed like promising hw to run linux on |
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| 07:15.12 | Riku-D830 | nothing like installing duke nukem 3d in dosbox from an actual CD because dosbox doesn't like loop devices |
| 07:15.22 | Riku-D830 | at least I had a CD-RW didn't need to waste a CD-R |
| 07:16.02 | rant | I dont think I ever tried it but I dont see how dosbox could even know.. the block devices are all the same in userland |
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| 07:17.34 | rant | I always hated using CDs for games.. Twisted Metal 2 you could play up to 8 players online but you only needed 1cd for every 3 players |
| 07:18.29 | Riku-D830 | trying to run the damn thing but it just closes dosbox |
| 07:18.32 | Riku-D830 | somehow |
| 07:18.45 | rant | hmm.. was that on Debian or on Windows? |
| 07:18.52 | Riku-D830 | debian |
| 07:19.11 | rant | cause I imagine you may need an emulator to run old dos games on windows these days :P |
| 07:19.27 | Riku-D830 | 16-bit applications and 64-bit windows don't mix |
| 07:20.17 | Riku-D830 | you can install a dos subsystem on 32-bit windows though but I don't think it has soundblaster support or anything fun like that |
| 07:20.22 | rant | I've seen Vista/7 a little bit.. never even seen 8, and my mother has 10 on one of those touchscreen desktop deals from HP.. I didnt like what I saw of it but haven't actually used it myself |
| 07:20.46 | Riku-D830 | it's more a restriction of how 64-bit CPUs work |
| 07:21.17 | Riku-D830 | they can run in 16bit/32bit mode of 32bit/64bit mode and changing modes requires a power cycle |
| 07:21.21 | Riku-D830 | *or |
| 07:21.40 | rant | yeah well the dos has been gone since WinNT.. XP was the last version to have something resembling old DOS.. now they just have a cmd.exe that runs on top of explorer |
| 07:22.03 | Riku-D830 | I have used the dos subsystem on 32 bit windows 10 before |
| 07:22.06 | rant | and I highly doubt its sufficient for most dos games |
| 07:22.13 | Riku-D830 | even got windows 3.11 installed in it |
| 07:22.20 | rant | oh yeah? |
| 07:22.28 | rant | with working display drivers and stuff? |
| 07:22.33 | Riku-D830 | somewhat |
| 07:22.47 | Riku-D830 | was a while ago can't remember how well it worked |
| 07:22.52 | rant | I tried to setup a VM with Win3.11 once and couldnt find any drivers to get above 16 colors |
| 07:23.13 | Riku-D830 | same problem up to 98 there's no support in virtualbox |
| 07:23.33 | Riku-D830 | the dos subsystem is pretty close to native though |
| 07:24.28 | Riku-D830 | ah yes it's called NTVDM |
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| 07:24.30 | rant | people in my building often put stuff out in the main lobby they're looking to sell and I saw out there a couple weeks ago a really old floppy disk Win3.11 version of Netscape new in the box, shrinkwrapped and never opened :P |
| 07:24.33 | Riku-D830 | NT Virtual DOS Machine |
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| 07:26.08 | alkisg | I have a collection of 100+ games in dosbox. Unfortunately half of them are not playable because it runs 100 times faster than it's supposed to :D So I keep an actual 386 around just the case I ever want to remind my kids how it was back then :D |
| 07:26.29 | alkisg | With a soundblaster 16 and all |
| 07:26.33 | rant | last I used dosbox it had a key you pressed to change the speed |
| 07:26.48 | Riku-D830 | might throw a 32-bit windows 10 install on my extra machine on a new drive just to play with NTVDM |
| 07:26.53 | alkisg | F9, it's not working well in most of those games |
| 07:27.08 | rant | though on game I played a lot, supaplex the developer released a speedfixed version.. though now there are other game engines available like megaplex and such |
| 07:27.22 | rant | I'm surprised nobody ever ported that to linux.. it was a pretty cool game |
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| 07:28.33 | alkisg | rant, https://sourceforge.net/projects/supaplexclone/ |
| 07:28.46 | Riku-D830 | been meaning to setup my pentium II-350 machine on 98 SE |
| 07:29.01 | Riku-D830 | it's just a pain when you're used to modern OS installation |
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| 07:31.00 | Riku-D830 | not sure if I should use my AWE64 or my SB Live |
| 07:32.33 | rant | I thought the AWE64 IS an SB Live |
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| 07:33.11 | rant | maybe I'm thinking of the Live Drive or something.. the little 5.25" thing that plugged into the SB Live |
| 07:35.40 | Riku-D830 | might as well use the AWE64 rather than take up a PCI slot and waste an ISA slot |
| 07:35.55 | Riku-D830 | probably has better compatibility with older games too |
| 07:36.40 | alkisg | sb16 is the most compatible afaik, then sblive, then awe64 |
| 07:37.59 | Riku-D830 | I could install both if I really felt like it |
| 07:38.08 | Riku-D830 | and hopefully not run out of system resources |
| 07:38.19 | alkisg | Oh, the interrupt fun there with all the ISA jumpers |
| 07:38.36 | Riku-D830 | maybe I'll use the live just to avoid touching ISA |
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| 07:47.42 | Emil | alkisg: heh, .tar.gz was only 4.9G |
| 07:48.04 | Emil | alkisg: since xz is rather slow I'll try it with a faster encryption algo |
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| 07:49.08 | Emil | Hmm, isn't it possible to use the .squashfs image without root? |
| 07:49.10 | Emil | That's super silly |
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| 08:06.58 | bdb | Hi |
| 08:07.02 | alkisg | Hello |
| 08:07.16 | bdb | Is there a way to have a CUPS class print multiple copies by default? |
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| 08:21.46 | hypn0 | https://www.cups.org/doc/options.html? there seems to a command line option bdb :-/ |
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| 08:26.41 | bdb | Thanks, hypn0 |
| 08:26.43 | hypn0 | you could print to pdf, then print that muliple times I guess :-/ |
| 08:27.02 | bdb | I'd like to have the default number be 2 |
| 08:27.21 | bdb | I hate having to type 2 every time I print a receipt. |
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| 08:28.10 | hypn0 | might just be quicker to print 2 :-) |
| 08:29.26 | bdb | I'm using firefox |
| 08:29.34 | bdb | So I can just click the arrow and go up one |
| 08:29.49 | bdb | I'd just like to do everyone at work a favor and make a class and share it |
| 08:30.08 | bdb | the class would print two of whatever they print |
| 08:30.38 | hypn0 | you could write a scipt |
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| 08:31.00 | bdb | Would it only work on my computer? |
| 08:31.18 | bdb | Sorry if that's a stupid question I'm not very well versed |
| 08:33.42 | hypn0 | I thought you had only 1, shouldn't be difficult to get working |
| 08:34.09 | bdb | Thought I only had 1 what? |
| 08:34.43 | bdb | I'd like to share the class so that other people on other computers can use it too |
| 08:34.44 | hypn0 | computer, print to pdf, then run a command to print that file twice |
| 08:35.31 | bdb | I've got it a little simpler than that |
| 08:35.44 | bdb | I just CTRL+P and enter the number of copies |
| 08:35.48 | bdb | and it works |
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| 08:36.02 | hypn0 | oh |
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| 08:36.06 | bdb | I want to take out having to enter the number of copies |
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| 08:40.25 | hypn0 | you want to edit the print dialog :-| |
| 08:41.02 | bdb | I'm wondering if that can be done by editing /etc/cups/classes.conf |
| 08:41.02 | hypn0 | not sure how to that |
| 08:41.37 | hypn0 | hang around someone might know |
| 08:42.03 | hypn0 | did you try it |
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| 08:42.17 | bdb | did I try what? |
| 08:42.28 | bdb | I tried simple stuff like adding "Copies 2" |
| 08:42.31 | bdb | to the file |
| 08:43.07 | hypn0 | and did it work, changing it |
| 08:44.05 | bdb | Nope |
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| 08:45.35 | bdb | be right back. I'm gonna reboot and see what happens |
| 08:46.54 | themill | ~/.cups/lpoptions might be the thing |
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| 08:47.32 | hypn0 | I think he missed that |
| 08:47.44 | themill | bdb: ~/.cups/lpoptions might be the thing |
| 08:48.39 | bdb | themill: I seem to have no .cups folde |
| 08:48.49 | themill | that's easy to fix |
| 08:49.03 | themill | you can also set lpoptions with the lpoptions command |
| 08:49.58 | themill | «lpoptions -o copies=2» Of course then we'll find that firefox accidentally overrides that setting. |
| 08:50.45 | bdb | Do I have to restart cups after making a .cups directory and lpoptions file? |
| 08:51.46 | bdb | And is there a way to have a class that prints 2 copies? |
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| 08:54.58 | qifan | Good morning :> |
| 08:56.22 | qifan | what is the best way to backup my data(mp3,movies,and OS(debian stretch), on another disk ! :) |
| 08:56.43 | bdb | Drag and drop |
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| 08:57.26 | qifan | well i have used r_snapshot, is it the best ? |
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| 09:01.18 | bdb | I personally use grsync |
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| 09:05.24 | hypn0 | bdb you tried http://localhost:631/ in broswer |
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| 09:13.30 | bdb | hypn0: No options there |
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| 09:17.25 | qifan | backup-manager sounds a smart choice |
| 09:17.26 | qifan | :) |
| 09:17.32 | qifan | "backup-manager" :) |
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| 09:23.14 | qifan | guys i did rm -rf of a file i need how do i recovery it ? |
| 09:23.20 | qifan | photorec ? |
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| 09:27.03 | BCMM | qifan: photorec likely is the answer |
| 09:27.07 | alkisg | From the backup :D |
| 09:27.22 | BCMM | qifan: but the format of your filesystem and the format of the missing file are relevant |
| 09:27.31 | qifan | well backup is usless |
| 09:27.39 | qifan | im not going to do that :> |
| 09:27.49 | qifan | if i get a kernel panic how do i recovery my system |
| 09:27.51 | qifan | lol |
| 09:27.57 | qifan | ages ago |
| 09:28.20 | qifan | better to admin it live |
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| 09:46.52 | rant | anyone know of some trickery to select an AP by MAC with n-m (applet) when you have multiple with the same SSID in range? Or would I just have to stop n-m and use interfaces for that? |
| 09:47.31 | qifan | kismet is a nice interface |
| 09:47.47 | qifan | might help you out |
| 09:48.15 | rant | kismet is for sniffing the airwaves I thought |
| 09:48.18 | Codsworth | yes kismet |
| 09:48.32 | qifan | yy |
| 09:48.38 | qifan | i said might help you |
| 09:48.45 | qifan | .> |
| 09:48.46 | qifan | :> |
| 09:48.48 | rant | I dont need to sniff. I just dont want n-m selecting the strongest AP |
| 09:48.49 | Codsworth | it cant sort by ap and mac |
| 09:49.17 | Codsworth | you trying to connect or passive? |
| 09:49.34 | qifan | normally software does that automatically |
| 09:49.41 | qifan | strongers is the first to be served |
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| 09:50.16 | rant | I use xfinitywifi.. ALL their access points are called "xfinitywifi" but its getting too saturated here and I just was unable to connect cause I had half a dozen of em on channel 11, two were xfinitywifi others were various other routers. |
| 09:50.41 | rant | I want to at least be able to setup a directional, point it somewhere and have it stay on that AP and not to chose one I know wont work |
| 09:50.43 | Codsworth | what about iwconfig ? |
| 09:51.02 | rant | yes I know how to set it up manually.. I was just wondering if I could do it with n-m or not |
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| 09:52.00 | rant | I like having the n-m applet to show me my signal and use it to enable/disable my connection |
| 09:52.11 | rant | I just dont like it thinking it knows better than me which AP to connect to :P |
| 09:52.31 | Codsworth | True...I someones have the same issue and find it annoying |
| 09:52.47 | rant | its usually not an issue for most folk as ESSID are typically unique.. but in this case every f'n comcast customer has a public hotspot called "xfinitywifi" |
| 09:53.08 | Codsworth | many isps are doing that now |
| 09:53.20 | Codsworth | but comcast is probably the worst with that ssid |
| 09:53.36 | rant | and I know which ones I can point a directional at and get a reliable connection based on the other signals around.. nm isnt taking this into account when selecting an AP, its just going for the strongest signal which may cause me to have to point my antenna into heavy congestion on the same channel |
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| 09:55.47 | rant | I live in a sparsely populated area of a poor run down ghetto.. idk how people are still getting by in more affluent areas where everyone has wifi.. there just isnt enough bandwidth to go around.. a card can only calibrate a noise floor so effeciently when you have half a dozen or more signals all on the same channel |
| 09:56.11 | BCMM | rant: would blacklisting the other APs would be a workable solution? |
| 09:56.19 | Codsworth | BCCM , good idea |
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| 09:56.31 | rant | and the 14 channels or so we have aren't really helping because each channel overlaps 8 other channels :P |
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| 09:57.12 | rant | no blacklisting is worse than just setting wireless-ap in the interfaces file and getting rid of n-m cause at times I may need to switch to another one |
| 09:57.38 | rant | though the one I've been using most reliably is a business across the street.. the problems only occur when someone in this building gets wifi |
| 09:59.18 | rant | you'd think I'd get better signal when someone right here has an AP but it doesnt work like that.. and I think its not only due to channel congestion but also I think they crank the power up on the hotspot side of the gateway because I noticed when I was downtown I could get a signaat the popeyes resturant from the grocery across the street and was on VOIP but as I got closer to the grocery the signal cut out |
| 09:59.36 | rant | its like these things only work at a distance.. which likely means the transmit power is cranked way up |
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| 10:02.58 | qifan | guys i have a game on /dev/sda and a disk nvm0 (faster) all my mp3/videos are on /dev/sda , so the game is there too, instead of having the game folder on those two disks can i make a linksym and run the game on dev/nvm0 ? thank you |
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| 10:03.44 | bitSt0rm | Where do you guys place your workspace folder for programming stuff? Wondering if there any reason to put it anywhere beside my home folder, would rootfolder be more reasonable somehow? |
| 10:04.13 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: does the sort of programming you do typically need to be done as root or something? |
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| 10:04.22 | bitSt0rm | No |
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| 10:04.39 | BCMM | then your home directory is probably the right place for it |
| 10:04.45 | rant | bitSt0rm: depending on what it is I put stuff in /usr/local, /srv, /home, or /usr/src/ |
| 10:05.00 | rant | programming or compiling should not be done as root.. its a really bad idea |
| 10:05.02 | BCMM | rant: those sound like install locations, not work locations |
| 10:05.24 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: i mean i just work in ~/code/folder_per_project basically |
| 10:05.34 | rant | yeah thats why I said depending on what it is.. I will put stuff that is more system wide like kernel code in /usr/src |
| 10:05.40 | bitSt0rm | BCMM, home seems like good choice :) |
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| 10:06.00 | rant | they are all locations that are not clearly defined by the FHS and are forbidden for debian packages to use.. |
| 10:06.06 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: basically programming isn't special - if its stuff you can do as a normal user, it's normal to do it in your home directory |
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| 10:06.42 | rant | if I were the type to do php coding I may have it in /srv/ where I'd keep my webserver's root at |
| 10:06.47 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: (i mean, actually, my /home/ is on an ssd and my code is symlinked to my hdd instead because some of it uses unreasonable amounts of space, but that's besides the point here) |
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| 10:07.15 | BCMM | basically, do you have a specific reason to keep it elsewhere? |
| 10:07.28 | rant | cause me personally, when I setup any services I put it in /srv/. I.e. /srv/samba, /srv/httpd, /srv/tftpd etc |
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| 10:08.17 | bitSt0rm | BCMM, no I don't. I was more wondering logically what would be a probable place to put it |
| 10:08.33 | rant | and I code a lot in /usr/local/ but its usually shell scripts I will use system-wide |
| 10:08.57 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: fair enough. i would say home dir by default |
| 10:09.12 | rant | python or bash stuff I throw in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin depending on if they require root perms or not |
| 10:09.19 | BCMM | bitSt0rm: programming being what it is, some stuff *needs* to go in weird places, though |
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| 10:09.42 | BCMM | but i'd still try to develop in ~/ and just move the finished product, where possible |
| 10:09.54 | bitSt0rm | Good help and tips, thanks guys BCMM and rant |
| 10:10.58 | rant | I often make my system-wide scripts in /usr/local/ check for files in ~/ where users can customize the function of the script or hook commands into it |
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| 10:43.54 | dracc | I'm trying to setup autofs/samba/openLDAP on a server. I don't want TLS as it's a closed environment and only for testing purposes. I've tried disabling TLS both in ldap.conf, slapd.d, smbldap.conf and smbldap_bind.conf . Still I get errors related to starttls when trying to start smbd. What have I missed this time? :( |
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| 10:48.53 | dracc | Oh. Silly me. "ldap ssl = off" was missing in smb.conf |
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| 11:03.33 | hellyeah | hey can someone tell me how to download playlist with youtube-dl? |
| 11:04.09 | socomm | hellyeah: Google can, and there's a #youtube-dl channel as well. |
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| 11:05.10 | alkisg | socomm: maybe in /etc/profile.d/something? |
| 11:05.12 | hellyeah | i did some searches but couldnt find the correct command |
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| 11:24.28 | simpledat | ./VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run |
| 11:24.29 | simpledat | bash: ./VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run: Permission denied |
| 11:24.31 | simpledat | How do I run this thing? |
| 11:25.37 | dracc | simpledat, is the 'x' flag set? (chmod +x VirtualBox-5.2.*) |
| 11:25.58 | simpledat | dracc: I dont think so |
| 11:26.14 | dracc | simpledat, Then that might be a good place to start! :) |
| 11:26.30 | simpledat | Can I x flag the file from normal user? |
| 11:26.39 | dracc | Normally yes. :) |
| 11:26.55 | simpledat | chmox +x VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run |
| 11:27.11 | simpledat | chmod |
| 11:27.20 | dracc | That ought to do it, yes. :) |
| 11:27.41 | simpledat | This program must be run with administrator privileges. Aborting |
| 11:27.44 | simpledat | ? |
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| 11:28.10 | dracc | sudo ./VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run |
| 11:29.34 | simpledat | dracc: So I cant run VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run as normal user? |
| 11:29.52 | dracc | I take the error message as that, yes. :( |
| 11:30.09 | dracc | as an indicator of that * |
| 11:30.21 | simpledat | simpledat is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 11:30.31 | rant | ,v virtualbox |
| 11:30.32 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: |
| 11:30.33 | judd | 5.2.6-dfsg-3 |
| 11:30.54 | simpledat | judd: I have some issue with 5.2.6 |
| 11:30.55 | judd | No package named 'have' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 11:31.04 | rant | simpledat: judd is a bot |
| 11:31.11 | simpledat | rant: Ok |
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| 11:31.53 | horny | any hot girls interested in cybersex? |
| 11:32.09 | rant | simpledat: these issues you had were with the debian versions of virtualbox? |
| 11:32.59 | simpledat | rant: Yes |
| 11:33.11 | dracc | horny, Nah. Take your botting elsewhere. |
| 11:33.33 | simpledat | rant: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17304 |
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| 11:34.47 | rant | simpledat: that file is likely an installer which is why it wants to be run as root |
| 11:35.20 | simpledat | rant: Ok thanks |
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| 11:42.09 | simpledat | To install them, you first need to remove your existing VirtualBox installation |
| 11:42.15 | simpledat | Should I also run 'apt-get purge virtualbox-5.2'? |
| 11:42.23 | simpledat | or is apt-get remove enough? |
| 11:44.17 | rant | purge would only be necessary if you had really old incompatible configs or something.. its mostly concerned with you getting binaries and libs with the same name out of your path |
| 11:45.48 | rant | this is not something we can support here though and we'd encourage you to report issues on the BTS, get them fixed, or try one of our other solutions like Gnome Boxes, qemu, etc.. |
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| 12:13.57 | simpledat | To remove the test build again, execute the installer with the parameter "uninstall" on the command line. |
| 12:14.02 | qifan | Anyone here is using rtl8192eu ? |
| 12:14.39 | simpledat | Should I run './VirtualBox-5.2.7-120678-Linux_x86.run uninstall'? |
| 12:14.48 | simpledat | or -uninstall |
| 12:15.02 | simpledat | How do I know what the parameter should look like? |
| 12:19.25 | dracc | cifs.mount, using vers other than 1.0 (2.0, 3.0, 3.02 tested), get successful mount and error message "ioctl error in smb2_get_dfs_refer rc=-2". My google fu is weak today. Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 12:21.24 | alkisg | simpledat: virtualbox.org provides a .deb file, there's no need to bother with .run files |
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| 12:22.13 | simpledat | alkisg: I downloaded the test build because of some issues I had |
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| 12:23.12 | alkisg | simpledat: but the link you mention says it's fixed in 5.2.6, which exists in .deb |
| 12:25.03 | simpledat | alkisg: But I still got the issue? |
| 12:25.43 | alkisg | simpledat: you have it even with the 5.2.7.run file you downloaded? |
| 12:26.22 | simpledat | alkisg: I could not even install debian with 5.2.7 |
| 12:26.37 | simpledat | I got black screen |
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| 12:27.52 | alkisg | simpledat: comment on the ticket then, and ask them to provide a .deb for 5.2.7 |
| 12:28.38 | alkisg | Also, there's a #vbox channel, which you could use when you're not using the debian repositories |
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| 12:29.32 | simpledat | alkisg: But 5.2.7 didnt help me. I got black screen during the install |
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| 12:29.46 | alkisg | simpledat: that may be because you don't have a compatible qt version |
| 12:29.48 | simpledat | and guest additions issue with 5.2.6 |
| 12:30.07 | alkisg | They're embedding their own qt versions for their .deb packages |
| 12:30.15 | qifan | libav-tools - Compatibility links for libav-tools "(transitional package)" what does it mean? |
| 12:30.20 | simpledat | alkisg: What do you mean by that? |
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| 12:31.07 | alkisg | simpledat: that the .run file is not suitable for debian |
| 12:31.36 | simpledat | alkisg: I see the Virtualbox "Window" as asually. |
| 12:32.26 | alkisg | simpledat: bug ticket and #vbox, those are your best resources |
| 12:32.36 | simpledat | alkisg: Thank you |
| 12:32.40 | alkisg | np |
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| 12:45.37 | qifan | libav-tools - Compatibility links for libav-tools "(transitional package)" what does it mean? |
| 12:45.41 | qifan | :> |
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| 12:51.47 | grandfso | Hello, can someone help me troubleshoot network config? I have two public IP's assigned to vps, /etc/network/interfaces looks like this https://pastebin.com/pGHfx1Fz , I can ping remote machine using specified IP, but when I try to telnet to remote machine and bind specific IP, it works for first, but fails for second https://pastebin.com/zmGYDL7V |
| 12:52.08 | grandfso | What would you check now for problems ? |
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| 12:57.15 | grandfso | Unless this is problem with the remote machine im trying to telnet to... |
| 12:58.44 | qifan | where is located the telnet server ? |
| 12:59.01 | qifan | do you have premissions on both bssid ? |
| 12:59.05 | qifan | ids |
| 12:59.15 | qifan | to access the telnet server |
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| 13:00.11 | mpo | grandfso, I'd say telnet is only listening on one interface. Check with ss-tlp |
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| 13:08.53 | grandfso | qifan: not sure if this is what you asked, but: the telnet server which I'm trying to connect to is hosted with linode, while server which I'm telnetting from is hosted by some other vps provider. |
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| 13:12.19 | grandfso | mpo: I am unable to find ss-tlp |
| 13:12.56 | mpo | it should be ss -tlp |
| 13:13.07 | mpo | missed a space there |
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| 13:13.20 | grandfso | hang on |
| 13:18.17 | grandfso | mpo: this is on the machine I'm telnetting from: https://pastebin.com/iYY4RBmT and on a machine I'm telnetting to: https://pastebin.com/qjkxJuQv |
| 13:19.01 | grandfso | please excuse me if I'm not following you fast, I'm not very familiar with networking :( |
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| 13:27.55 | mpo | Well, why do you want to connect to these machines via telnet? You already have an SSH-server active. SSH is the recommended way to connect to remote machines. Telnet provides absolutely no security, it transports usernames and passwords unencrypted over the wire. |
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| 13:28.42 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 13:28.48 | rant | yeah well, in fairness when and where telnet was being used that wasnt much of an issue :P |
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| 13:38.33 | hwpplayer1 | Hi People |
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| 13:47.26 | mpo | rant, well, we both see what kinds of services are running on these machines now :) |
| 13:47.30 | grandfso | mpo: I am on learning endeavour. I chose telnet as the most basic tool to get to work first :) I am not going to transfer anything sensitive over telnet ;) |
| 13:48.55 | mpo | grandfso, eh, I don't trust you. But trust me and forget about telnet in this context |
| 13:49.07 | grandfso | lol |
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| 13:53.20 | BluesKaj | guess kdesudo has been dropped on Buster, there' no way to install it |
| 13:56.05 | BluesKaj | doesn't seem to be a repo available |
| 13:58.10 | BluesKaj | still prefer to selectall, copy and paste files rather than cp them in the cli |
| 13:58.33 | metastable | grandfso: Are you logging in to a remote server via telnet? |
| 13:59.52 | grandfso | metastable: I don't login using telnet, I use ssh for this. |
| 14:00.03 | metastable | grandfso: Okay, cool, carry on. |
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| 14:00.08 | grandfso | :) |
| 14:00.23 | metastable | I was reading backscroll and went "no no no no no noooooo" |
| 14:00.41 | metastable | This is why I asked first. |
| 14:01.05 | grandfso | I see the community despises telnet :) |
| 14:01.23 | metastable | As well we should. |
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| 14:03.07 | Nekophone | Hey everyone o/ is there anyone who could help me change my video driver temporarily? I think it's been causing problems, and I've run into issues trying to do it myself |
| 14:03.37 | Nekophone | I'm on the latest Debian Testing btw |
| 14:04.24 | Nekophone | Basically, I'm pretty sure I'm meant to edit xorg.conf, but I don't actually have one |
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| 14:04.40 | Nekophone | In /etc/X11 |
| 14:04.44 | SirLagz | Nekophone: then it just autodetects |
| 14:04.50 | Nekophone | Yeah |
| 14:04.52 | SirLagz | Nekophone: why are you trying to change the video driver? what's the issue? |
| 14:06.37 | Nekophone | The system is very unstable as of a recent update, previously it couldn't enter the DE at all, after renaming my user directories I can, but starting most programs crash X |
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| 14:07.06 | SirLagz | Nekophone: did you do a full dist-upgrade? |
| 14:07.18 | Nekophone | I've been struggling to work out the cause |
| 14:07.39 | Nekophone | I think so, and I'm now regretting it :P |
| 14:07.48 | SirLagz | Nekophone: well that's what happens when you run testing :P |
| 14:07.54 | SirLagz | !testing |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 14:07.58 | Nekophone | I checked the apt logs and nothing was removed |
| 14:08.28 | SirLagz | Nekophone: try and run another dist-upgrade and see what happens? |
| 14:08.48 | Nekophone | I've tried, it didn't fix anything sadly |
| 14:09.02 | SirLagz | Nekophone: so *everything* is up to date now? |
| 14:09.26 | Nekophone | Yep, I just updated and rebooted to ensure it's working |
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| 14:10.39 | SirLagz | Nekophone: what's the X logs say after it crashes? |
| 14:11.23 | Nekophone | The /var/log/Xorg* logs don't have anything about the crashes |
| 14:11.54 | alkisg | Check .xsession-errors and /var/crash |
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| 14:12.31 | Nekophone | .xsession-errors has a bunch of programs dying because X failed |
| 14:12.39 | alkisg | Use pastebin |
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| 14:13.19 | alkisg | Btw which graphics card and driver is that? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA |
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| 14:13.23 | Nekophone | And a fatal IO error from pulseaudio, but I *think* that it's also just failing to talk to X |
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| 14:13.36 | Nekophone | Can't pastebin, on phone sorry |
| 14:13.52 | SirLagz | Nekophone: you're gonna need to paste it so we can at least have a look to try and help solve the issue |
| 14:14.23 | Nekophone | Alright, but it'll take a moment |
| 14:14.32 | SirLagz | Nekophone: sure |
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| 14:15.03 | Nekophone | Also there's no.crashes this session so I'll make it crash so that there's something useful |
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| 14:17.01 | Nekophone | While it's logging in, things that crash it, so far, are: Firefox, HexChat, LibreOffice, Unity and even Net (the tiny puzzle game) |
| 14:18.04 | Nekophone | It seems that the KDE programs, like Kate and Dolphin, don't, so it might be a GTK issue possibly? |
| 14:18.34 | SirLagz | could be. could be a library compatibility issue |
| 14:18.52 | Nekophone | Also it's not logging back in, I'm getting the same problem I did before x_x just a black screen and a mouse cursor |
| 14:19.33 | SirLagz | Nekophone: check the X.org logs? should be something in there if X doesn't start up |
| 14:19.39 | Nekophone | Rebooting should fix it |
| 14:20.35 | Nekophone | No, X has started when it does this, it's plasmashell that won't |
| 14:20.50 | SirLagz | oh, mouse cursor, sorry, thought it said flashing cursor for some reason =/ |
| 14:21.10 | SPF | I'm having an issue with mail. strace says pen("/var/mail/.lk098692debian", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) any ideas? |
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| 14:21.49 | SPF | my stat on /var/mail is Access: (2775/drwxrwsr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 14:22.41 | Nekophone | Usually, when the program-related crashes happen, I can just log back in again, but sometimes I can't and I get stuck at a black screen |
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| 14:22.48 | cyphex | Hi, ,I'm trying to install gksu on a fresh install of debian testing, but I get an error ("no installation candidate") for it. Any ideas? |
| 14:23.44 | dvs | cyphex, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 14:23.45 | cyphex | oops, just read the topic, sorry |
| 14:25.03 | cyphex | http://paste.debian.net/1008747/ |
| 14:25.44 | dvs | cyphex, oh yes, #debian-next on OFTC |
| 14:25.57 | cyphex | yep, sorry again |
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| 14:28.20 | Nekophone | SirLagz, alkisg: Here's the last 500 lines of xsession-errors: http://paste.debian.net/1008748/ |
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| 14:30.09 | Nekophone | I think the current, successful boot overwrite the Xorg log though, since Xorg.0.log is from a few seconds ago and .1 os from yesterday |
| 14:32.01 | Nekophone | I'll try to get a Xorg.log crash, although it'll be from a different instance |
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| 14:37.43 | Nekophone | SirLagz, alkisg: here's Xorg.0.log, after booting once and crashing once: http://paste.debian.net/1008750/ |
| 14:38.27 | Nekophone | I don't see anything very helpful in there though |
| 14:39.49 | towo` | Loading /opt/amdgpu-pro/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
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| 14:40.24 | towo` | you have played with amdgpu-pro, which is not debian, so you have f*cked up your system |
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| 14:44.00 | grandfso | mpo: let me try to explain in higher level, ultimately I am after having one user bound to first IP, another user bind to second IP (so that anything they run, runs on/from dedicated IP). The way I know how to make it happen _right_now_, is by having seperate VPS's each with single IP. I am trying to figure out, if I can use one VPS with multiple IP's to achieve the same result. |
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| 14:44.59 | Nekophone | Possibly, and this is why my original question was about how to change the video driver that Xorg loads |
| 14:45.09 | SirLagz | Nekophone: I'd uninstall it and see what happens |
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| 14:45.56 | Nekophone | I was going to try that, I'm just a little worried that I won't be able to reinstall it :P |
| 14:46.08 | SirLagz | Nekophone: well if it's causing issues, you wouldn't want to reinstall it anyway :P |
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| 14:46.48 | Nekophone | I've got the amdgpu (free) driver installed so hopefully it will load that |
| 14:47.33 | Nekophone | I'm just not sure how it determines which one to load in the first place |
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| 14:52.08 | Nekophone | Alright, here goes |
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| 14:54.58 | Nekophone | Crap, I missed "preview changes" and hit "apply changes"... |
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| 14:56.05 | Nekophone | I hope it loads amdgpu alright |
| 14:56.48 | Nekophone | Well, SDDM seems alright so far... |
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| 14:58.55 | Nekophone | Stupid internet |
| 14:59.46 | Nekophone | Anyway, it booted alright, and it seems like the crashes are gone! |
| 15:00.13 | dvs | !next |
| 15:00.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:01.00 | Nekophone | Thanks everyone for your help, I guess I'll wait until amdgpu-pro enters debian before trying to use it again :P |
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| 15:14.22 | SPF | found the solution, changed group from root to mail of /var/mail |
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| 15:22.56 | _likoris | Hey. I have an issue with a bluetooth mouse on my Deb laptop. It disconnects after a few minutes, even while using it, and doesn't reconnect automatically. Can anyone point me to a solution? (I'll post /var/log/messages output when it happens again) |
| 15:24.31 | JustASlacker | check batteries |
| 15:25.09 | _likoris | Batteries are fine, the mouse works without problems on the other machine. |
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| 16:58.05 | sine0 | hey guys, I have an netinstall vm image I have been using that is jessie. If I update && upgrade will I be good for security fixes |
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| 17:00.06 | metastable | sine0: Any reason for not using the current stable release? |
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| 17:01.30 | sine0 | I have all my stuff on this one, can I ugrade this one or do I have to install a fresh |
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| 17:01.44 | SirLagz | sine0: you can upgrade |
| 17:01.56 | metastable | sine0: You can upgrade, but it is a bit more involved than a simple update and upgrade. |
| 17:01.57 | sine0 | isnt that dist-upgrade or soemthign |
| 17:02.10 | metastable | !jessie->stretch |
| 17:02.58 | sine0 | kk |
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| 17:03.58 | sine0 | how does one account for dist upgrade when they are building servers, I mean if I were to setup servers for clients would it not be a pita to have to update the os often. |
| 17:04.28 | sine0 | or is that about LTS and rolling upgrades |
| 17:04.51 | metastable | I build new servers using the current stable release. I periodically rebuild images to avoid these issues. |
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| 17:09.05 | sine0 | metastable: when you say you periodically rebuild images what do you mean |
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| 17:09.54 | SirLagz | I just always build machines with the net install...preseed and netinstall means the newest packages that I need for every machine every time |
| 17:10.36 | user0 | Hey, have installed vsftpd changed conf with TLS then restarted service but it won't start anymore, i removed tls conf no start, reinstalled vsftpd no default config file. copied config file from /usr/share no start. Any help please ? |
| 17:10.55 | sine0 | SirLagz: yea but how do you keep that up to date, by distupgrade ? |
| 17:11.02 | SirLagz | sine0: yep |
| 17:12.21 | sine0 | SirLagz: over the years I have done a debian netinstall so many times its painful, for instance install all the php modules and vhosts for apache and mysql modules |
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| 17:12.45 | sine0 | I need a way of doing it painlessly |
| 17:12.51 | alkisg | user0: try apt --purge, to remove the config, then reinstall |
| 17:12.58 | SirLagz | sine0: that's what config management is for, like puppet / ansible / salt |
| 17:13.17 | SirLagz | sine0: or if you're just building masses of webservers, maybe a preseed file |
| 17:13.19 | sine0 | SirLagz: so you can build the iso before you download it |
| 17:13.45 | SirLagz | sine0: no, config management will automate configuring the machine after you install Debian |
| 17:14.46 | SirLagz | sine0: or you could have different preseed files for each configuration and specify which one to use as you need them |
| 17:14.49 | SirLagz | sine0: either way works |
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| 17:33.27 | jakeydoodle123 | hello |
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| 17:34.10 | jakeydoodle123 | Hello |
| 17:35.03 | somiaj | !ask |
| 17:35.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:43.17 | dob1 | hi, I have some doubs about rsync and slashes in source: if I am using rsync /dir1 /dir2 and I have to exclude dir1/path1 I have to use --exclude=/dir1/path1 not --exclude=/path1, right? becuase I used as source "/dir1" without the final slash, this is correct? |
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| 17:46.53 | grandfso | n-st: both servers (source / target) are my sandboxes. And it does let me connect using one of the IP's on the source, but rejects the other. Would like to understand what is the reason my smtp server rejects my second IP. The IPs on source are configured as follows: https://pastebin.com/pGHfx1Fz |
| 17:47.19 | n-st | grandfso: wrong channel ;) |
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| 17:47.25 | grandfso | ye :D |
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| 18:06.00 | dracc | I have removed a lot of settings from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf - such as domain-name-servers, domain-search and domain-name, yet they're replaced in /etc/resolv.conf . WHY?! :( |
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| 18:07.41 | spigot | mid tmux session, the color has disappeared from my prompt, and I feel silly not knowing what happened :P apt hasn't touched anything in a while, color works in ls and weechat, but my prompt just... as if my bash_profile changed, just stopped being colored |
| 18:08.25 | somiaj | the prompt is controled by an enviroment variable, just export that variable. |
| 18:09.03 | somiaj | as to why it isn't being read, but .bash_profile is only read in login shells, interactive shells (such as those in tmux) won't parse .bash_profile |
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| 18:11.08 | spigot | so if the shells in tmux are using the inherited environment variable that hasn't changed since the login shell that contains the tmux process, then I'm even more lost |
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| 18:12.20 | somiaj | or something ran and changed the prompt. |
| 18:12.26 | spigot | I had shells open with a colorized prompt, and then new shells didn't have color. |
| 18:13.08 | somiaj | man bash and pay attention to interactive vs login shells, different files are parsed, so different enviorments can be setup |
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| 18:13.49 | spigot | so a different config file could have been changed. that's disconcerting, without me knowing, that something might have edited a startup file and changed my prompt :/ I wonder what I did |
| 18:13.58 | jelly | spigot: you can verify if $PS1 is still the same or not |
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| 18:19.23 | spigot | I'm going to figure out if it has anything to do with mremoteNG's term profile, and if somewhere along the line something is saying/thinks this can't do color brb |
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| 18:35.08 | maxzor | Hello, any hints to install gstreamer-plugins-ugly:i386 on stretch amd64? |
| 18:35.55 | hypn0 | yeah, don't :-) stick to 64 bit |
| 18:36.24 | maxzor | just want to play old future cop wine/win98 with my brother QQ |
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| 18:47.59 | bitSt0rm | Been tinkering around with i8kutils for managing my fans (Dell Laptop) - but I simply cannot make it work. It is like my i8kmon.conf is completely ignored. I've enabled i8kmon with systemd though, do anyone know what I'm doing wrong of if there is some issue? |
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| 18:52.58 | bitSt0rm | Been having this issue for a week. Any help/ideas/references to webpages/etc is appreciated! |
| 18:53.14 | dracc | maxzor, What hinders you from using the amd64 version of the same package? |
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| 18:53.31 | bitSt0rm | (Have already read the debian and archwiki pages) |
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| 18:54.48 | maxzor | dracc, I alreay have it installed, my little game does not launch, and i got told on winehq chan i needed i386 version on top of amd64 |
| 18:55.43 | dracc | maxzor, Oh, ok. Sorry, no, I don't know how. :/ |
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| 18:56.03 | dracc | Unless you can live without the amd64 version of the same package.. |
| 18:56.37 | maxzor | ah np, i dont know either :) |
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| 19:00.13 | bites | !multiarch |
| 19:00.13 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 19:00.18 | spigot | well removing the remote terminal, I'm now logged in locally, and I know the termcap reports color support successfully, because $PS1 contains all the color flags. but the prompt remains b&w |
| 19:00.19 | bites | maxzor: ^ |
| 19:01.22 | spigot | looks like the startup recognizes terminator supports color, adds the color info, but terminator isn't displaying it. though it will colorize ls or the output of a command. |
| 19:01.41 | spacevisionary | hello everyone! today I rebooted Mint via reisub and eversince have been unable to get past asus brand screen, cannot even access bios. do you have any ideas? thank you |
| 19:02.13 | dracc | spacevisionary, What computer are we talking about? |
| 19:02.27 | spacevisionary | asus x553m notebook |
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| 19:03.04 | spacevisionary | dracc: display and ram are functioning |
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| 19:04.02 | dracc | spacevisionary, And <tab> gives nothing I guess? |
| 19:04.51 | spigot | spacevisionary: could it have had anything to do with why you rebooted that way instead of through userland? |
| 19:05.10 | spacevisionary | dracc: will check that now |
| 19:05.50 | spacevisionary | spigot: mint didnt want to poweroff properly via userland so i thought reisub was more convenient |
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| 19:06.14 | spacevisionary | spigot: i tried to fix it but wasnt really successful |
| 19:06.30 | spacevisionary | spigot: i think it said something about being destructive. |
| 19:06.51 | spacevisionary | spigot: however other oss do not show this issue |
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| 19:11.31 | spacevisionary | dracc: no <tab> gives nothing |
| 19:12.10 | spacevisionary | it happened out of the blue, i have used reisub many times before, with no problem |
| 19:12.46 | spacevisionary | i wonder if it could have been that i typed it maybe too fast? i read there should be some delay between the keys |
| 19:13.42 | spacevisionary | i also tried what appears to be cmos jumper, no luck though |
| 19:14.10 | spacevisionary | i have had the nb for a few years btw, like 3,4 |
| 19:14.30 | spacevisionary | and the disk is spinning |
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| 19:15.21 | spacevisionary | interestingly, i only get the asus welcome screen if i remove battery, hold pb for a couple mins, plug charger, unplug charger, plug battery and power on |
| 19:15.40 | spacevisionary | otherwise it shows nothing |
| 19:15.43 | argusbr | whats error in command line-> for i in `ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep "sshcheck" | awk '{print $2}'`: do kill -9 $i: echo "Process id $i is killed": done |
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| 19:17.18 | rant | argusbr: you looking for only one? heh |
| 19:18.05 | rant | cause first thing that pops out at me is use f'n pgrep instead of all that ps | grep crap |
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| 19:19.05 | rant | pgrep "foo" literally just prints a list of pids for "foo" without all the pipes and other commands |
| 19:19.24 | argusbr | rant i need killed to many process by name |
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| 19:20.02 | rant | well that was only my first observation, which you obviously didnt get |
| 19:20.13 | bitSt0rm | rant, grep -v grep | grep "sshcheck" also seems wrong, does it not? |
| 19:20.22 | rant | my 2nd hugh one is reploace the entire one-liner with killall -9 "foo" |
| 19:20.28 | rant | because it already does this :P |
| 19:20.39 | rant | and I'm sure I could go on.. |
| 19:20.50 | bites | you also have a colon where there should be a semicolon |
| 19:21.58 | bitSt0rm | #bash is a pretty nice channel for getting help with scripts argusbr |
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| 19:22.45 | rant | bitSt0rm: this is what I said already.. my first observation is that "pgrep" replaces the entire ps|grep|grep|awk thing and my 2nd was that killall replaces the entire one-liner |
| 19:22.46 | bites | the grep part looks correct though |
| 19:22.59 | maxzor | bites, thank you, I found an i386 one but its version is 1.12 while i need 1.10 :o https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly/download |
| 19:23.55 | rant | if you wanna talk syntax and functionality.. thats a whole different discussion.. I'm just talking about the "error" in the command which is that its the wrong "command" |
| 19:24.12 | bites | maxzor: yeah, 1.12 isn't packaged for stretch. |
| 19:25.28 | maxzor | and can I find a 1.10 i386 version in some archive repo? |
| 19:25.57 | bites | you can install it using apt without adding additional repos. |
| 19:26.01 | bites | !multiarch |
| 19:26.01 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 19:26.46 | rant | before I take my Capt-obvious-teaches-linux-shell cap off, you may also want to learn the apropos command which would find commands like pgrep and killall for you in the future before you start making a rube-goldberg script to recreate them |
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| 19:27.37 | bites | maxzor: you need to enable the architecture first as described by the bot. |
| 19:28.20 | maxzor | yes I have done it and updated, apt search does still not find any i386 gstreamer ugly bites^ |
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| 19:29.33 | dracc | argusbr, try -> kill -9 `ps -C sshcheck -o pid=` |
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| 19:34.30 | leemar | Anyone know the status of Debian updating gcc in stable for full retpoline support? GCC says they may be backporting to versions 4/5/6? |
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| 19:35.03 | deadman36g | Hello guys. I am curious if I can get some quick help. My system went down earlier during a power glitch and now it is saying "A Start job is running for File System Quota Check" can I stop this and boot my system? |
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| 19:38.03 | bites | maxzor: doesn't show it for me either. apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:i386 does though. |
| 19:38.21 | maxzor | bites, what do you think about this brazilian one? https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-i386/gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly_1.10.4-1_i386.deb.html |
| 19:38.57 | bites | maxzor: no, get it through apt. |
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| 19:39.15 | bites | apt resolves dependencies and does integrity and security checks. |
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| 19:40.26 | freenoodle | just trying to configure a smarthost setup with exim4. Mail gets rejected because HELO wants an FDQN. Strange though, shouldn't exim4 in smarthost mode announce itself to the smtp smarthost just as every mail client does? Do other mail clients really send an FDQN each time they talk to an SMTP server? |
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| 19:44.16 | dracc | No matter what settings i put inside /etc/systemd/network/settings.network, everything stays the same. I have a DNS server on my internal network that I want to use instead of the ISP supplied one. Why is resolv.conf always overwritten with dhcp settings? |
| 19:44.34 | dracc | This is driving me nuts. |
| 19:45.44 | bites | dracc: you are using systemd-networkd instead of ifupdown? |
| 19:46.03 | dracc | bites, Dunno. |
| 19:46.20 | dracc | settings in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf has as little effect. |
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| 19:46.51 | bites | what do you use to establish a connection? you should know. |
| 19:47.46 | dracc | bites, I've saved my settings in /etc/network/interfaces. Outbound interface has dhcp. |
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| 19:49.02 | dracc | Oh, didn't know dhcp could take options inside that file. |
| 19:49.08 | dracc | I love 'man'. <3 |
| 19:50.23 | dracc | But according to the man page for 'network interfaces', dns can't be set? :( |
| 19:50.33 | dracc | Or domain name? :( |
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| 19:50.58 | bites | well, for static interfaces. if you have dhcp it will take the settings provided. |
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| 19:51.16 | bites | what did you put in your dhclient.conf |
| 19:51.23 | bites | that would be the right place. |
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| 19:52.19 | dracc | bites, I removed domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search as ought to be 'hard coded' |
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| 19:52.32 | dracc | those ought to be* |
| 19:53.55 | maxzor | bites, ok, apt found it, but it has a dependency unresolved with libsidplay1v5:i386. dpkg tells me there are those on my system : https://framabin.org/?95933a7017cbd0d2#abA+mv53RgpHHQ6txyEma98rxwHSvcWh8KVkxLPRGA4= . Can me understanding multiarch tool help solve this? |
| 19:54.34 | bites | man dhclient.conf has an example that might be relevant. interface "<fill in>" { prepend domain-name-servers <fill in> } |
| 19:54.35 | maxzor | When trying to install libsidplay1v5:i386 manually, apt wants to remove the old gstreamer and a cascade of libs. |
| 19:54.53 | dracc | bites, solved it by setting 'prepend domain-name-servers'. But I only want ONE dns. :( |
| 19:56.00 | dracc | Ah! |
| 19:56.16 | dracc | bites, using 'supersede' instead of 'prepend' did the trick. Thanks for your help! |
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| 20:05.51 | bites | maxzor: yeah, sorry. looks like a dependency doesn't support multiarch thus only allows one arch to be installed at a time. |
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| 20:31.21 | deadrom | hi |
| 20:31.55 | hiexpo | Hi all hey when I right click on desktop and select create launcher I select create launcher in terminal than enter the command like for nmap sh -c "nmap;${SHELL:-bash}" it always opens it with gnome terminal and I want to open it with xfce terminal I have used update-alternatives but that has made no differance what should I do thank you |
| 20:32.32 | deadrom | debian 8, / ran full, checked: kern.log.1 and messages.1 are at 3+ GB and *brimming* with messages "sr0 disc change detected." the funny bit is there is no optical drive connected |
| 20:34.48 | deadrom | nevermind, found the culprit. usb device attached kept switching modes |
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| 20:44.35 | rant | hiexpo: why not just put the terminal you want explicitly in the command? |
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| 20:46.27 | oo_miguel | I am installing debian and have to manually set up the network in a shell (i.e set a custom route).. I wonder what I need to set beside the address, gateway, and route in order to proceed to the next insallation point? |
| 20:46.48 | oo_miguel | will I be prompted for hostname or nameservers later? |
| 20:47.49 | hiexpo | rant, I use a lot of tools and can't always remmeber the commands so I want to create custop launchers to launch them |
| 20:48.42 | rant | oo_miguel: no way to answer that without knowing which point you are at.. but if you are using manual commands you should probably not be using a step-by-step process anyhow. There are steps that do all the network configuration though and may overwrite anything you do |
| 20:49.15 | oo_miguel | configure the network fails |
| 20:49.29 | oo_miguel | and I want to procedd with set up users and passowrds |
| 20:50.45 | rant | hiexpo: I understand.. I'm just saying that if the alternatives isn't working you could just put the name of the terminal in the command.. but I know Gnome 2.x (MATE) anyhow has its own set of preferred applications, it doesnt necessarily use alternatives to determine what to launch.. perhaps what you are using does the same.. since you didnt specify, I just gave you a solution that would work in any |
| 20:50.49 | oo_miguel | maybe it is better i try the expert mode.. |
| 20:50.52 | rant | environment |
| 20:51.17 | rant | oo_miguel: would probably be a good idea.. but some manner of Ctrl+C or hitting back on a step takes you to a list of all the steps and lets you skip ahead |
| 20:51.33 | rant | don't recall exactly but I did it a week or so ago when I installed |
| 20:51.36 | oo_miguel | yeah I skipped to the list in order to config the network manuelly |
| 20:52.04 | oo_miguel | but I am afraid I did not configure everything that the step I skip expects to configure :P |
| 20:52.22 | hiexpo | rant, I am using debian 9 mate |
| 20:52.43 | oo_miguel | ill try the expert mode. hope this will ask me if I want to autoconfig |
| 20:52.47 | rant | heh.. well I think it sets the hostname after the setting of all the other stuff but idk if its a seperate step or not.. you'd know better than me if you're in the installer now |
| 20:53.50 | rant | hiexpo: then yes, as I said MATE has a preferred applications System > Preferences > Personal > Preferred Applications on the System tab of that you'll see the terminal |
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| 20:54.44 | bites | oo_miguel: autoconfig is usually what it does first. what kind computer is it? laptop with wlan? are you missing firmware? is it an ethernet connection? |
| 20:54.45 | rant | that is where MATE looks to figure out what applications to launch.. alternatives only works when you use generic names like foo-aplication-program-dodad |
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| 20:55.45 | hiexpo | rant, yes I know that and I have it set to xfce |
| 20:56.23 | hiexpo | rant, is it something wrong in my command then? |
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| 20:58.23 | rant | hiexpo: well technically your command as I saw shouldnt open any terminal because you didnt tell it to.. unless you checked something like "run in a terminal" |
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| 21:00.01 | rant | I however don't do that.. I just make a launcher and tell it my terminal as part of the command.. cause first of all something like nmap typically just runs a command that prints info then exits.. and this is going to result in a terminal being opened then closing anyhow.. |
| 21:00.28 | oo_miguel | bites: it is a kvm behind a custom bridge |
| 21:00.31 | alkisg | (10:31:55 μμ) hiexpo: Hi all ... opens it with gnome terminal ... I am using debian 9 mate ... I have it set to xfce ==> that's 3 different environments there, gnome, mate and xfce, fun :D |
| 21:00.38 | hiexpo | rant, okay I right click on desktop and select create launcher in terminal than apply the command |
| 21:01.31 | rant | hiexpo: I also implore you to not only consider my end-all suggestion of just changing the command itself to have the terminal name rather than letting MATE decide the terminal at all, but also to consider not using a terminal and making use of a dialog utility like zenity, yad, or such to display the info you want |
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| 21:03.48 | rant | if you want to make launchers for shell commands its best to use an actual frontend rather than a shell |
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| 21:04.43 | alkisg | hiexpo: I just tried it in mate, sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator; and created a launcher; and it opens e.g. with xterm, all work fine here |
| 21:06.23 | rant | hiexpo: apt-get install zenity, then just do nmap | zenity --text-info, and it'll give you a scrollable dialog with the output of nmap.. |
| 21:08.11 | rant | hiexpo: https://i.imgur.com/oL6AgrM.png |
| 21:08.45 | rant | hiexpo: and it allows you to change the window title and button names.. yad is more advanced.. but idk if its in debian or not. |
| 21:09.43 | alkisg | Sure, from stretch and on |
| 21:10.06 | simbalion | volter: I get what seems to be a percentage, but to 6 decimal points |
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| 21:11.57 | hiexpo | alkisg, okay yes it will always use x-term try to change to a differant terminal and see it has now switched to gnome terminal on mine since i needed gnome terminal and i change it and nothing happens |
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| 21:22.19 | finlstrm | anyone around have any experence setting routing on debian boxes??? |
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| 21:32.04 | hypn0 | finlstrm: ask a Q, someone might know |
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| 21:33.52 | finlstrm | hypn0: The details are a bit long - basicly I'm trying to roue between two networks. I've created a reddit post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/7v9o0m/linux_pure_routing_question/ |
| 21:34.55 | httperr418 | is the avahi-daemon that has turned up on my system anything to do with systemd? |
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| 21:41.58 | bdb | Hi |
| 21:42.14 | bdb | I was trying to get a cups profile to print 2 copies last night |
| 21:42.28 | bdb | I had no luck. Anyone active know how to do that? |
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| 21:58.34 | httperr418 | hi, I can no longer start my tor service, with the error "Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/bin/tor: Stale file handle". Google suggests that this might be a problem of having created an inappropriate symlink |
| 21:59.08 | httperr418 | but the suggested ones are /tmp -> /var/tmp and /var/tmp -> /tmp, neither of which is the case on my system. What else might I need to look at?> |
| 22:00.29 | rant | bdb: did you try the lpoptions / lpadmin suggestions given? |
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| 22:02.51 | rant | httperr418: that error seems to indicate a stale file handle without being specific, if it were me I'd figure out what specifically its talking about. strace would likely aid in figuring that out if the app doesnt have any more verbose or logging features |
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| 22:17.28 | sine0 | what is the modern ifconfig |
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| 22:19.36 | dutchfish | sine0, likeley `ip a` |
| 22:21.58 | sine0 | yus thanks |
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| 22:41.55 | rant | pfft.. I still haven't bothered learning that one yet. It does seem to encompass several utils though.. seems to also do the functions of the route command among others |
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| 23:05.57 | httperr418 | rant: thank you for the suggestion, is strace easy to use? I've heard of it but never used it |
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| 23:08.02 | rant | httperr418: use generally isnt very complicated its understanding the output that is the tricky part.. the output is calls to the kernel and if you dont know the API/ABI then you may not understand it much |
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| 23:08.31 | airking_ | Is there a way to make the pause/break key not do anything? |
| 23:08.35 | rant | httperr418: but for something this simple you're just looking for what file it tries to access and fails right before you see the call to print the error message |
| 23:08.42 | airking_ | Currently it quits whatever is running in the shell |
| 23:08.44 | airking_ | I need it to not do that |
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| 23:13.04 | somiaj | airking_: are you running this in xorg, or standard linux tty consoles? |
| 23:13.41 | rant | I've never seen a debian system do that.. ^C is the break command and thats not what the pause/break key does |
| 23:14.26 | somiaj | might be useful to get the xev output from that key to see what code it is actually producing. |
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