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| 00:19.50 | RoyK | hrmf |
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| 00:20.14 | RoyK | nfs works, but even with sec=sys gives me an access denied |
| 00:23.22 | zerocool | if i `service php-fpm restart` will it jack up the webserver |
| 00:23.28 | zerocool | like in the middle of the day |
| 00:23.34 | zerocool | or will anyone even notice |
| 00:25.03 | zerocool | the answer is nobody will notice :) |
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| 02:34.05 | RoyK | Anyone that knows how I can make nfs work with sec=sys? the uid/gid matches, it's exported with sec=sys, but I still get access denied from the client, and I really can't understand why. I've setup this before, several times, but I really can't understand what's wrong here. |
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| 03:04.08 | jello | anyone seen this error before when doing an apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_InRelease into data and signature failed |
| 03:04.16 | jello | W: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease' is not signed. |
| 03:04.19 | jello | N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. |
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| 03:08.03 | somiaj | jello: in the future please don't cross post. |
| 03:09.06 | somiaj | espically when someone is in the middle of helping, as users here may not have seen what has been tried or not so far. |
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| 03:10.18 | hans__ | any idea what this is about? https://i.imgur.com/9XFdIL5.png |
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| 03:20.30 | RoyK | hans__: looks like an OOPS |
| 03:20.39 | RoyK | that is - a panic light |
| 03:20.51 | hans__ | wasn't that light, it took the whole system down with it |
| 03:20.58 | hans__ | or perhaps something that came right after it |
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| 03:21.19 | RoyK | if it happens often, run a memory test |
| 03:21.29 | hans__ | first time |
| 03:21.31 | RoyK | http://memtest.org/ |
| 03:21.40 | RoyK | hans__: good luck :) |
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| 03:22.10 | RoyK | might have been a panic too |
| 03:22.15 | RoyK | can't see the whole thing |
| 03:22.25 | RoyK | a panic is like windows' bluescreen |
| 03:22.35 | RoyK | not very nice |
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| 03:23.17 | hans__ | system is rebooted now, where would the logs go? |
| 03:23.30 | RoyK | the usual places |
| 03:23.39 | RoyK | but you don't always get logs from panics |
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| 03:24.10 | RoyK | you can set kernel.panic = 10 or something (man sysctl) to have it automatically reboot after a panic |
| 03:24.43 | RoyK | if the panic isn't I/O related, you may get one, though |
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| 03:24.51 | RoyK | as in /var/log/syslog |
| 03:26.40 | hans__ | seems i didn't get anything in the syslog, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/nthq-9k9Q-e26fLEeoGQfQ/raw?password=x0M2Ct5Im63DkOT76ZRx |
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| 03:29.54 | RoyK | hans__: sometimes you need to setup a netconsole to catch those - or a serial console if you're doing it the old way |
| 03:30.29 | hans__ | i don't have physical access to the comp, i guess that rules out the serial console |
| 03:30.32 | RoyK | but then - a single bitflip can create havoc, so no problem, really, unless it happens again |
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| 03:30.52 | RoyK | serial console, then, but again, leave it for now |
| 03:31.04 | hans__ | if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/ram |
| 03:31.09 | sadtaco | I'm trying to install https://certbot.eff.org/#debianjessie-nginx and I'm getting "E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
| 03:31.12 | RoyK | just set kernel.panic to something usefil |
| 03:31.18 | RoyK | hans__: don't do that |
| 03:31.23 | hans__ | oh really? |
| 03:31.31 | RoyK | ;) |
| 03:31.33 | hans__ | din't do that? you sure? |
| 03:31.37 | hans__ | dofergi |
| 03:31.44 | hans__ | i need sleep, gnight guys |
| 03:32.07 | sadtaco | nvm forgot to run apt-get update after adding backports to sources.list |
| 03:33.04 | somiaj | sadtaco: the guide forgot to mention you need to add jessie-backports to your sources.list |
| 03:33.29 | sadtaco | Yeah I figured it did. It's kind of self explanatory. But, oops forgot to update after doing that |
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| 03:40.44 | RoyK | for fuck's sake - I can't get it - why can't I make nfs work? for root - fine - for users with the same uid/gid - no - access denied - even if sec=sys |
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| 05:54.45 | gubernator | Hi Debian. The kernel in stretch does not support my Intel wireless card 8260. How do I make the net-installer recognize it? I do have this driver package for the card: firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb, but Idon |
| 05:55.02 | gubernator | ...but I don't know how to use that package from within the installer |
| 05:55.53 | somiaj | gubernator: there are ways to suply the firmware to the installer on a seperate usb device. The netinstall contains a fully functional base system and does not need the network to install. |
| 05:56.06 | somiaj | you could install without the network, then install firmware, then get network up, configure sources, and finish |
| 05:56.53 | somiaj | gubernator: you can't use it directly from inside the isntaller, the install guide says how to make firmware avialble to the installer. There is also a non-free (unoffical) installer with firmware already on it if you want that |
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| 05:57.39 | gubernator | somiaj, I have done this, but it seems the net-install loads fewer packages by default -- am I correct? |
| 05:58.22 | somiaj | the net-installer only contains a minimial base system. But it is more functional than the installer and isn't to hard to get the rest of what you want |
| 05:58.54 | somiaj | It is what you would get if you didn't select any of the additional tasks (such as a desktop enviroment) at the end. |
| 05:59.05 | somiaj | but the easiset method for most is just get the unoffical firmware installer |
| 05:59.14 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 05:59.14 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 06:01.38 | gubernator | Okay, so, I want firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 06:02.56 | somiaj | correct, that will have the firmware on it, and just avoid the hassle of providing it. |
| 06:05.01 | annadane | is amd64 really the only architecture provided for by that firmware image? i recall seeing i386 in there also |
| 06:05.26 | annadane | not that it matters, just a curiosity |
| 06:05.28 | somiaj | annadane: notice the folder, you would have to go to other arches a few directories down |
| 06:05.47 | somiaj | or did you go to current/i386/iso-cd? |
| 06:05.59 | annadane | well i just looked at the link url |
| 06:06.08 | annadane | but i misread it |
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| 06:06.33 | annadane | anyway, off topic fluff, ignore :) |
| 06:06.35 | somiaj | appears they have amd64, i386 and multi-arch, no other arches though. |
| 06:09.44 | alkisg | Which other arch needs firmware? |
| 06:10.01 | alkisg | (non free, that is) |
| 06:10.14 | annadane | well probably all of them |
| 06:11.19 | annadane | though it's not an arch necessarily which requires firmware |
| 06:11.29 | annadane | it's highly dependent on whatever devices you have |
| 06:11.45 | darxmurf | 'morning |
| 06:12.34 | alkisg | Yeah I was thinking about intel/amd/cpu/graphics firmware, but sure for wifi cards the arch doesn't matter |
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| 06:14.02 | somiaj | alkisg: its is more the wifi card that needs firmware, which holds true for various pi like arm boards with wifi on it. Sure other arch machines could have wifi, but maybe just little demand to need it in the installer |
| 06:15.56 | alkisg | pis aren't using .isos though to boot from, they're using .img, right? |
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| 06:24.42 | somiaj | alkisg: they may also need some other methods to make them bootable, so yea, my guess is those installing on them don't additionally need the convience of firmware. Also many of a broadcom chip, which I don't think is on the firmware images. |
| 06:25.06 | somiaj | alkisg: so yea, the demand for firmware images for other arches is probably very low at best. |
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| 07:30.56 | ikla | is cgroups available in debian? |
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| 07:48.51 | dcpc007 | Hi, in Debian 7, which date can i take for says when applicaition were released ? official release may 2013 or before, at the freeze date ? |
| 07:49.20 | dcpc007 | i need to make a report on our servers, and want to notice how old our "new" servers start to be |
| 07:50.00 | annadane | !snapshots |
| 07:50.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 07:50.20 | annadane | dcpc007, ^ |
| 07:51.26 | dcpc007 | start to be boring to stay in work on debian 7 .... and still no aswer back on my alerts ... |
| 07:51.53 | dcpc007 | then not learn systemd and all new thing since some years, really boring for me ... |
| 07:52.12 | dcpc007 | and not so good to stay 5 years on a version i think |
| 07:53.35 | dcpc007 | i found this timeline; https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 07:54.14 | dcpc007 | application versions are from 2013-05-04 (release) or 2012-06-30 (freeze) |
| 07:55.00 | annadane | yes, well, the current stable version of debian is stretch, which came after jessie, which itself came after wheezy |
| 07:55.11 | annadane | released in june 2017 |
| 07:55.32 | towo^work | dcpc007, versions are from freeze |
| 07:55.43 | dcpc007 | thx towo^work |
| 07:55.46 | dcpc007 | outch .... |
| 07:56.17 | towo^work | except for a few exceptions |
| 07:56.37 | dcpc007 | and some guys are asking to take older versions still (like tomcat 6 to not need recode their applications ... :-( ) |
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| 07:57.33 | dcpc007 | i throw warning to bosses after official annoucement of partial end of support, but no answer or feedback |
| 07:59.05 | dcpc007 | start tessting unofficially upgrading D7 -> D8 on light servers with nothing complicated, not so easy, and need to double jump i think... many impacts on house code (mysql -> mariadb, apache 2.4, tomcat+,...) |
| 07:59.35 | dcpc007 | think they don't imagine the work ... and not started to anticipate (not sure of the word in english) |
| 07:59.38 | annadane | indeed, to go to stretch you would need to first move to jessie, and then to stretch |
| 07:59.45 | dcpc007 | yes i've seen |
| 08:00.02 | dcpc007 | upgrade guides and procedures are printed since monthes ... |
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| 08:00.30 | annadane | i'm not sure if there's even release notes for jessie still around |
| 08:00.39 | dcpc007 | i would try mysself before doing work on real servers ... as some admin task changes with systemd mainly ... |
| 08:01.24 | dcpc007 | but i stop as i have no news or planning for those tasks ... why try learn something you'll not use until ... later and forget most |
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| 08:01.54 | dcpc007 | boring to not found other jobs near of my house :-( |
| 08:02.09 | dcpc007 | start to think leave this one |
| 08:03.02 | annadane | if you haven't seen it already, the debian administrator handbook gives good guidelines for large scale migrations (though it's written for jessie and slightly out of date but the general overview is fine) |
| 08:03.36 | annadane | if you combine that with the debian 9 release notes - which indicates differences from jessie - you'll have a comprehensive picture |
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| 08:12.18 | dcpc007 | yes already read a little |
| 08:12.37 | annadane | i'm going to sleep, have a nice evening |
| 08:13.13 | dcpc007 | start to be boring to read obsolete when i try to find a solution on my problems ... currently "playing" with samba and windows 7 + windows 10 ... all docs says to not use samba v3 ... debian 7 is 3.6.6... |
| 08:13.22 | dcpc007 | lol moring here :) |
| 08:13.27 | dcpc007 | good night, and thx |
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| 08:40.26 | dcpc007 | another qestuon on apt, could apt-cacher-ng block packages changelog on client servers ? |
| 08:40.28 | jelly | dcpc007: yes, debian 7 is rather old |
| 08:41.01 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 08:41.02 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1 |
| 08:41.09 | dcpc007 | i try to look at the content of pending patch, but got errors via aptitude behind apt-cacher-ng |
| 08:41.39 | dcpc007 | yes, i've seen ... but this server "should" die in one year ... and no upgrade of code possible |
| 08:41.47 | jelly | there's 4.1 in wheezy-backports (no security updates) |
| 08:41.52 | dcpc007 | and not sure that this old samba is the problem ... |
| 08:42.16 | dcpc007 | then can't force to upgrade |
| 08:42.36 | dcpc007 | think i'll finish to put beck their ugly config with no access control ... |
| 08:43.06 | jelly | you're in luck. wheezy will lose security support by LTS team in like 3-4 months, then you'll have no security updates for ANY component |
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| 08:44.10 | dcpc007 | lol ... what is the problem ... 3 yaers i ask for a patch apply campain ... |
| 08:44.32 | dcpc007 | think they will not bother to live with no "new" patch ... |
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| 08:54.26 | dcpc007 | does all patchs available have a changelog ? |
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| 08:54.55 | dcpc007 | if yes, i should have always a changelog available ... |
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| 10:18.32 | ebarrett | apt-get has got itself into a mess |
| 10:18.35 | ebarrett | xorg-dev : Depends: xserver-xorg-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:18.44 | ebarrett | no held packages, no broken packages |
| 10:18.47 | ebarrett | i'm confused |
| 10:19.00 | ebarrett | it's like it forgot how to install dependencies |
| 10:19.52 | alkisg | ebarrett: apt policy xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 10:20.34 | oo_miguel | I have a Corsair STRAFE Gaming Keyboard and it works fine for most of the time. but once in a while it does NOT work after I start my computer. I have to disconnect and reconnect the USB cable to let it work. Any idea how to possibly fix this? |
| 10:20.47 | ebarrett | alkisg: E: Invalid operation policy |
| 10:21.02 | alkisg | ebarrett: eh, you have older version, apt-cache policy then |
| 10:21.04 | ebarrett | (this is debian 8, in case that is important) |
| 10:21.10 | ebarrett | ah, yes |
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| 10:22.59 | ebarrett | alkisg: ok, that prints some stuff |
| 10:23.02 | ebarrett | https://gist.github.com/vext01/4d47fe76c4ec4ada681c8f2167c2b225 |
| 10:23.28 | ebarrett | nothing looks out of place here |
| 10:23.40 | alkisg | ebarrett: indeed, now try installing that one |
| 10:24.00 | alkisg | apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 10:25.36 | ebarrett | alkisg: https://gist.github.com/vext01/8b7bf0a3fb21e68d2f9908b96e9cdf4e |
| 10:25.39 | ebarrett | this is weird |
| 10:26.15 | ebarrett | fwiw, all I did WRT apt on this system is add contrib and backports, and install some stuff |
| 10:26.15 | alkisg | ebarrett: nah, it's just that you got some version mismatch either locally or from a non-debian repository, |
| 10:26.30 | ebarrett | maybe one of the repos is busted then? |
| 10:26.44 | alkisg | apt is a little cryptic there, aptitude is a lot more verbose, |
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| 10:27.06 | ebarrett | worth a shot |
| 10:27.17 | alkisg | so to avoid having to "apt install mesa-common-dev" etc until we get to the actual problem, yeah, try installing aptitude to see it messages |
| 10:27.25 | alkisg | It'll pinpoint the package, and then you can even remove aptitude |
| 10:27.26 | antoszka | Hi there, I want to upgrade certain packages on a number of hosts, but these packages pull in a newer glibc and I get two interactive questions: 1) do you want to restart services 2) later I get a curses-based selector asking *which* services to restart. Since I want to script this across tens of hosts, how do I have apt do everything without asking? |
| 10:28.19 | ebarrett | alkisg: you are right |
| 10:28.35 | ebarrett | https://gist.github.com/vext01/2bb3db141f3b6d884da624a86d0aff7c |
| 10:28.58 | ebarrett | cryptic, but at least throws me a clue |
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| 10:30.03 | alkisg | ebarrett: so, some backports "conflict" with some of the dev packages.You can also try `aptitude install xorg-dev`, and not accept the first solution, but accept one that fits you |
| 10:30.06 | ebarrett | the proposed solution is a no op |
| 10:30.19 | alkisg | If you say "no", it proposes another one |
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| 10:30.58 | alkisg | Or you can manually install the versions that are needed, e.g. sudo apt-get install libdrm2=2.4.58-2 |
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| 10:31.16 | ebarrett | i see |
| 10:31.23 | ebarrett | i have a feeling i'm not going to win here |
| 10:32.15 | ebarrett | it's downgrading some stuff to old stable... |
| 10:32.33 | ebarrett | alkisg: thanks for your help |
| 10:32.50 | alkisg | np. Yeah, the problem solution is to install the previous versions, the ones mentioned in https://gist.github.com/vext01/2bb3db141f3b6d884da624a86d0aff7c |
| 10:33.14 | alkisg | Either with aptitude or manually |
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| 10:53.05 | shtrb | ,v cryptsetup |
| 10:53.07 | judd | Package: cryptsetup on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.4.3-4; wheezy-backports: 2:1.6.4-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.6.6-5; stretch: 2:1.7.3-4; buster: 2:1.7.5-1; sid: 2:2.0.0-1 |
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| 10:54.34 | shtrb | how do I get a list of judd's plugins ? |
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| 10:56.23 | mrtnt | Is there a way to execute a script only once when the new user logs in(over SSH) first time? |
| 10:56.43 | shtrb | like in profile ? |
| 10:57.20 | mrtnt | shtrb: .profile should be started each time? |
| 10:57.51 | RoyK | mrtnt: what do you want to do in this script? |
| 10:58.15 | shtrb | in /etc/profiled.d/ but that may be used (for all scripts), you can also use ~/.local/share/systemd/user services |
| 10:58.41 | shtrb | *used for all users |
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| 11:01.09 | mrtnt | RoyK: I want to execute google-authenticator one time when new user logs in over SSH |
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| 11:07.00 | RoyK | mrtnt: ok - not sure, sorry. guess you may need a custom PAM plugin |
| 11:08.09 | shtrb | I missed the part between my comment and yours, what have mrtnt have said ? |
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| 11:10.21 | mrtnt | shtrb: I said that I want to execute google-authenticator one time when new user logs in over SSH |
| 11:10.35 | shtrb | oh , there is a pam module for that :) |
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| 11:14.41 | shtrb | also , https://github.com/google/google-authenticator or rebuild ubuntu's variant |
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| 11:15.31 | shtrb | sorry , https://github.com/google/google-authenticator-libpam |
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| 11:26.51 | RoyK | shtrb: for use only on first login, like he said? |
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| 11:35.14 | shtrb | I missread the manual, I thought you can use directly the google-authenticator to perform the auth (that way it can be tied with systemd script to perform only once while the user is logged in ) |
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| 11:38.13 | shtrb | mrtnt, Instead of using a pam module (which may prevent auth) , you can tie a script using onetime service and keep it running |
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| 12:03.47 | Iridos | mrtnt, that's not how google-authenticator works⦠|
| 12:04.36 | metastable | I think we're referring to the google-authenticator command to configure the user's token, not the actual authentication step. |
| 12:04.54 | Iridos | oh, that would make a lot more sense |
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| 12:06.58 | Iridos | then you can just put something like that in .profile: if [[ ! -f $HOME/.google_authenticator ]]; then /usr/bin/google-authenticator ; fi |
| 12:07.34 | Iridos | probably should also check that it's an interactive shell⦠I guess |
| 12:08.01 | antoszka | BTW, if anyone's interested the answer to my earlier question was: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install <foo>" |
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| 12:10.22 | Iridos | why not apt-get -y ⦠? |
| 12:10.27 | Iridos | Because of the later choice? |
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| 12:18.49 | eugenmayer | is it to assume that debian stretch does include LetsEncrypt CAs with ca-certificates? |
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| 12:21.37 | metastable | Given that LE's CAs are only intermediates signed by an external root CA that is included with ca-certificates as far as I know, yes. |
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| 12:21.58 | metastable | Yup, there it is. DST_Root_CA_X3.pem |
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| 12:30.34 | hexhaxtron | Hi! I'm running ./burstminer and sometimes it outputs "unable to connect to remote host". When this happens, how can I kill burstminer and start it again? |
| 12:30.58 | webmind | killall burstminer |
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| 12:32.44 | antoszka | Iridos: Yes. |
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| 12:33.16 | antoszka | Iridos: You just get hung apt processes if you do it without a terminal (as in: ssh <host> sh -c "apt ...") |
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| 12:37.22 | qifan | hi |
| 12:37.23 | qifan | :> |
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| 12:37.46 | qifan | Howdo i install gps location under gnome stretch ? |
| 12:37.51 | qifan | in status bar |
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| 12:42.20 | eugenmayer | metastable: thanks! |
| 12:42.31 | eugenmayer | so DST_Root_CA_X3 is the one in charge here. |
| 12:44.12 | eugenmayer | metastable: my go client works under osx but not under debian stretch, fairly odd |
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| 12:46.33 | skbohra | hi everyone |
| 12:47.01 | skbohra | somehow, debian.cnf file on a debian setup got corrupted |
| 12:47.33 | skbohra | I couldn't find any way to get it generated again |
| 12:47.59 | somiaj | give more details, where is this debian.cnf file located? |
| 12:48.14 | somiaj | the only one I'm finding is part of tex-common |
| 12:48.34 | skbohra | it is part of mysql setup |
| 12:48.41 | skbohra | it's in /etc/mysql/ |
| 12:48.46 | somiaj | what version of debian? |
| 12:49.19 | Iridos | antoszka, that's not what man apt-get says, though |
| 12:50.12 | skbohra | jessie |
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| 12:50.39 | antoszka | Iridos: Dunno, works for me. |
| 12:51.02 | somiaj | skbohra: what does dpkg -S debian.cnf return? |
| 12:51.25 | somiaj | skbohra: you might be able to reinstall, or purge and then reinstall the package to get the stock version of that file again. |
| 12:52.12 | skbohra | it contains a password for a user debian-sys-maint |
| 12:52.16 | petn-randall | !confmiss |
| 12:52.16 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 12:52.21 | petn-randall | skbohra: ^^^ |
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| 12:52.57 | somiaj | yea looks like a conf file, you might have to reinstall the package as petn-randall suggested to get apt to regenerate that file |
| 12:53.27 | skbohra | somiaj: i think it contains a randomly generated passsword of a user debian-sys-maint |
| 12:54.07 | somiaj | I'm unsure exactly what it contains, others might know, I was just suggesting one way to regenerate conf files is to reinstall. |
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| 12:54.54 | skbohra | https://serverfault.com/questions/9948/what-is-the-debian-sys-maint-mysql-user-and-more |
| 12:55.07 | skbohra | let me try it |
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| 13:12.52 | zomaar | Is there any way to set the domain other than by DHCP or adding to /etc/hosts? |
| 13:13.34 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 13:13.34 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 13:13.47 | petn-randall | zomaar: Yes, but it sounds like a XY problem to me. ^^^ |
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| 13:15.41 | zomaar | ... |
| 13:16.01 | zomaar | Way to make things more difficult |
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| 13:17.47 | zomaar | I guess you can set it with hostname as well but it basically says that the persistent way is hosts |
| 13:18.50 | jer0me | I get lots of "console-kit-daemon[1464]: console-kit-daemon[1464]: GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 380337 was not found when attempting to remove it" and "udev-acl.ck[23696]: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed" |
| 13:18.54 | jer0me | whoops |
| 13:19.00 | zomaar | The objective, if you want to know, is to let Apache stop complaining |
| 13:19.11 | jer0me | errors in logs, I can't trace that back to anything easily. |
| 13:19.31 | jer0me | any idea where this could come from? maybe a libc update and no reboot after? |
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| 13:28.42 | nixoeen | Anyone is interested in sponsoring a package? :) https://mentors.debian.net/package/persepolis |
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| 13:30.50 | jelly | zomaar: how precisely is apache complaining, and is there a reason you don't want to add a FQDN entry into /etc/hosts? |
| 13:31.02 | jelly | !mentors |
| 13:31.02 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 13:31.37 | jelly | nixoeen: ^^ ask there, maybe (mind you, different irc network, this is freenode and -mentors is on irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:32.13 | nixoeen | jelly, Thanks :) |
| 13:32.31 | zomaar | jelly: No actually my complete question would have been: is there a more atomic file other than /etc/hosts that records or sets the domain |
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| 13:32.53 | zomaar | jelly: There is no issue with /etc/hosts, I was just wondering if there was a direct equivalent to /etc/hostname |
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| 13:40.30 | petn-randall | zomaar: So, what is apache complaining about? |
| 13:40.31 | codingquark | My system cannot find wrapfig.sty. Is there any other way than installing texlive-latex-extra? |
| 13:40.54 | petn-randall | ,file wrapfig.sty |
| 13:40.59 | judd | Search for wrapfig.sty in stretch/amd64: texlive-latex-extra: usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty |
| 13:41.19 | petn-randall | codingquark: Seems as though it's only shipped there. |
| 13:41.33 | codingquark | petn-randall: okay, thanks :) |
| 13:41.40 | codingquark | Time to download ~400MB |
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| 13:54.16 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
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| 13:57.12 | SanchoPensa | i was looking to record some streams from some news streams, in order to take those politician speeches apart frame by frame. that is, in order to examine their facial micro expressions in correspondence with their words. for that purpose, i installed recordmydesktop, but that one produces an ogg file with not such a good quality, although set to highest, and although it has an option "save every frame" those frames aren't recooperable afterw |
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| 13:57.50 | SanchoPensa | missing even... |
| 13:59.06 | frostschutz | SanchoPensa, find a way to save the original unaltered stream, not a recording of it that's silly |
| 13:59.32 | SanchoPensa | frostschutz: danke, exactly, what i thouhgt, but how to?? |
| 14:00.21 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: unless these streams are DRM'ed you'd be better off download the actual stream |
| 14:00.31 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: ok how are you watching the stream currently? in a browser? |
| 14:01.05 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: yep, agree, i thouhgt of that too, unfortunately no download version available. |
| 14:01.09 | SanchoPensa | and yes, browser. |
| 14:01.13 | SanchoPensa | gimme a sec, pls |
| 14:01.47 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: you can get the browser to tell you about the stream |
| 14:01.47 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: it is very precisely this one: |
| 14:01.48 | SanchoPensa | http://tvthek.orf.at/profile/ZIB-2/1211/ZIB-2/13964149/Staatssekretaerin-Edtstadler-zur-Strafrechtsreform/14234826 |
| 14:01.57 | SanchoPensa | i can? |
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| 14:02.15 | SanchoPensa | never mind teh germann... |
| 14:02.16 | comrad | hi, can i ask debian build related questions here or is there a dedicated channel for this? |
| 14:02.26 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: oh, it's one of those weird blob: stremas |
| 14:02.27 | comrad | SanchoPensa: dont mention the war |
| 14:02.27 | BCMM_ | streams |
| 14:02.48 | SanchoPensa | comrad: what war, dowarisch? |
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| 14:03.12 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: yaya, i gotcha... |
| 14:03.16 | comrad | SanchoPensa: yeah dont mention it |
| 14:03.42 | SanchoPensa | odna pivo prosche, dowarisch! :P |
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| 14:04.39 | SanchoPensa | comrad: the only one who is off topic here would be you, right? ;) |
| 14:05.10 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: it's a tricky stream, isn't it? :D |
| 14:05.11 | comrad | SanchoPensa: i'll do my very best, thank you :-P |
| 14:05.19 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: just ignore him, but fyi it's a Faulty Towers reference rather than an insult |
| 14:05.28 | SanchoPensa | OH! |
| 14:05.33 | SanchoPensa | da CLEEESE! |
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| 14:05.58 | comrad | well, so debian package irc channel around? |
| 14:06.46 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: huh i should have started by checking the obvious: youtube-dl supports tvthek |
| 14:07.23 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: youtube-dl is a python script which downloads videos from a large number of different web services (including youtube). it's probably available in your package manager |
| 14:07.45 | BCMM_ | just doing youtube-dl http://tvthek.orf.at/profile/ZIB-2/1211/ZIB-2/13964149/Staatssekretaerin-Edtstadler-zur-Strafrechtsreform/14234826 worked for me |
| 14:07.51 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: it does, however, not dl this one. |
| 14:08.04 | SanchoPensa | i have no freaking clue, how they accomplished that... |
| 14:08.28 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: youtube-dl works by having specific support for specific websites |
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| 14:08.51 | BCMM_ | not by automatically probing for video elements |
| 14:09.16 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: it did?? |
| 14:09.30 | SanchoPensa | let me check that, pls, gimme a minute... |
| 14:09.31 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: actually it's now saving a 2nd video |
| 14:10.08 | SanchoPensa | holy moly, and eureka! :D gimme a minute, pls, BCMM_ cos last time i checked, it didnt... |
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| 14:11.46 | BCMM_ | oh i see, it's making one video file for each segment |
| 14:11.59 | BCMM_ | so i have a signation, syrien, turkei, etc. |
| 14:12.28 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: i don't, i get an error |
| 14:12.37 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: i've on Debian Sid so i've got youtube-dl version 2018.02.04 |
| 14:12.37 | SanchoPensa | ERROR: Unsupported URL: http://tvthek.orf.at/profile/ZIB-2/1211/ZIB-2/13964149/Staatssekretaerin-Edtstadler-zur-Strafrechtsreform/14234826; please report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Be sure to call youtube-dl with the --verbose flag and include its complete output. Make sure you are using the latest version; type youtube-dl -U to update. |
| 14:12.51 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: what's your youtube-dl --version? |
| 14:13.13 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: the one, that i only just reinstalled a few secs ago, ec pls |
| 14:13.45 | SanchoPensa | youtube-dl version 2014.08.05 |
| 14:13.51 | SanchoPensa | humm, that looks rather old... :D |
| 14:14.11 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: are you still running Jessie? |
| 14:14.14 | SanchoPensa | Python version 2.7.9 - Linux-3.16.0-5-amd64-x86_64-with-debian-8.10 |
| 14:14.17 | SanchoPensa | indeed! |
| 14:14.23 | SanchoPensa | should i upgrade? :D |
| 14:14.27 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: you know that's oldstable now, right? |
| 14:14.32 | SanchoPensa | i do? |
| 14:14.41 | SanchoPensa | since when actually? |
| 14:14.54 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: stretch was released 2017-06-17 |
| 14:14.56 | SanchoPensa | i only jus noticed a week ago, or so... |
| 14:15.03 | SanchoPensa | holy moly... :D |
| 14:15.11 | SanchoPensa | oh boy... |
| 14:15.20 | SanchoPensa | os upgrade it is, then... |
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| 14:15.45 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: in any case, youtube-dl breaks, and gets fixed, very often, because of course all the websites change how they work with no regard for youtube-dl |
| 14:15.51 | SanchoPensa | BCMM_: thank you very much for your assistance, m8, appreciate it! |
| 14:16.05 | BCMM_ | SanchoPensa: so i keep the latest git version in my home directory as well as having the debian version installed |
| 14:16.08 | BCMM_ | np |
| 14:16.12 | SanchoPensa | yes, I do understand that... :/ |
| 14:16.23 | SanchoPensa | oh! |
| 14:16.29 | SanchoPensa | i see... |
| 14:16.57 | SanchoPensa | ok. |
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| 14:17.05 | SanchoPensa | i'll report back in a few hours then... |
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| 14:25.42 | qifan | howto add a friend to friends list, on irc? |
| 14:27.11 | NetTerminalGene | you can add "window --> friend list" in hexchat |
| 14:28.03 | BCMM_ | qifan: that is specific to your irc client |
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| 14:28.50 | BCMM_ | and since LostIRC is fairly minimal, it may not have such a feature |
| 14:29.34 | qifan | yeah |
| 14:29.35 | qifan | :> |
| 14:29.42 | BCMM_ | hmm |
| 14:29.47 | BCMM_ | it occurs to me that you might just mean notify list |
| 14:29.59 | qifan | no command found |
| 14:30.01 | qifan | :( |
| 14:30.15 | qifan | ops |
| 14:30.18 | BCMM_ | you don't have /notify? |
| 14:30.58 | qifan | i typed /list is flooding me |
| 14:31.54 | jelly | never heard of LostIRC |
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| 14:37.17 | mrtnt | Iridos, shtrb, RoyK: I did it like this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/772e7d65 |
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| 14:41.40 | iTeV | Uh question; |
| 14:41.43 | iTeV | termit/stable 3.0-1+b1 amd64 |
| 14:41.45 | iTeV | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.59 | iTeV | shouldnt the name be termit**e** |
| 14:42.03 | iTeV | instead of termit? |
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| 14:46.39 | tw | Doubt it. https://github.com/nonstop/termit/wiki |
| 14:47.35 | jelly | iTeV: rhymes with Kermit? |
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| 14:47.57 | iTeV | oh wtf |
| 14:48.02 | iTeV | I tought termit == https://github.com/thestinger/termite |
| 14:48.05 | iTeV | well |
| 14:48.06 | iTeV | TIL iguess.. |
| 14:50.25 | tw | kermit -_-. I sent a flash self-upgrade file over z-modem the other day. Remembering how to do it was not a pleasant experience. I'm happy kermit and friends are no longer necessary. |
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| 14:54.16 | kschlesselmann | Hi there! I got some script here that generates a system image using a Makefile. This Makefile installs a lot of packages in the resulting chroot using apt-get. Some packages (I don't know which) ask some questions (Which keyboard layout I want and if I want to continue without grub). I'd like to automate the answers to those questions. How would I do this? https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/apbs02.html.en is not the way to go if you ran |
| 14:54.16 | kschlesselmann | apt-get in a debootstrapped chroot, or? |
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| 14:57.05 | alkisg | kschlesselmann: you can use debconf-set-selections to preanswer package debconf questions |
| 14:57.25 | kschlesselmann | al |
| 14:58.15 | kschlesselmann | alkisg: How would I find out what I want to do there? Those dialogs just pop up and I don't have a clue which package asks them and how I would automate its answer. |
| 14:58.38 | zomaar | petn-randall: That is problem creep, not relevant now |
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| 14:59.09 | zomaar | Oh boy, systemd ConditionFileIsExecutable won't work if it's a symlink |
| 14:59.27 | zomaar | Depend on systemd..... |
| 14:59.34 | alkisg | kschlesselmann: do a sample installation, then run `debconf-get-selects`, and see the answers there. Or, at each dialog,switch to another terminal, run ps aux, and see which package.postinst script is running |
| 14:59.51 | kschlesselmann | alkisg: Thanks! |
| 14:59.58 | kschlesselmann | That'll help :-) |
| 15:00.07 | alkisg | np |
| 15:00.17 | alkisg | *debconf-get-selections |
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| 15:04.24 | kschlesselmann | Hm ⦠I just happen to have debconf debconf-apt-progress debconf-communicate debconf-copydb debconf-escape debconf-set-selections debconf-show |
| 15:05.25 | Iridos | mrtnt, isn't /etc/profile.d also read by sh (i.e. dash on debian)? Then I think [[ is problematic |
| 15:06.55 | petn-randall | zomaar: Good luck with your issue then! |
| 15:07.01 | alkisg | kschlesselmann: install debconf-utils for debconf-get-seletions |
| 15:07.01 | zomaar | Seriously I try to get a /etc/rc.local symlink run at boot and it just doesn't run |
| 15:07.17 | zomaar | petn-randall: My issue is long since resolved and I had no issue, just a question |
| 15:08.11 | zomaar | Some people appear to be unhappy if you have no problems..... |
| 15:09.33 | petn-randall | zomaar: Not really, we just don't like working on xy problems and having to pull everything out of a user's nose. |
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| 15:09.55 | tw | running authentication steps out of profile.d is a horrible idea. |
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| 15:10.40 | mrtnt | Iridos: good point, thanks! I'll change that. |
| 15:11.19 | petn-randall | And if you brush off follow-up questions with "this is problem creep, please work on my Y instead of asking about X" the desire to help by most regulars quickly falls to zero. |
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| 15:14.25 | tw | oh, not actually the authentication step, just to configure 2fa for future use. |
| 15:14.32 | tw | that sounds clever actually. |
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| 15:16.12 | mrtnt | tw: yes, it is simply to execute google-authenticator to show the QR code for the user first time they log in. Authentication is done by PAM module. |
| 15:16.51 | tw | ... Graphically? |
| 15:17.13 | mrtnt | tw: yes. It makes them easy to scan in the QR code with mobile. |
| 15:17.30 | tw | Is there a shell library that does that? Because that sounds super useful. |
| 15:18.17 | tw | This is a thing I didn't know I needed until just now <.< |
| 15:18.54 | mrtnt | tw: it should be provided by libqrencode3 |
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| 15:23.35 | dowwie | I'm using Debian 9. I've been trying all sorts of recommendations but haven't cleared a package dependency issue I'm having related to this " Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages" |
| 15:23.47 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:24.05 | petn-randall | hi dowwie, can you provide all of the above in a single paste? ^^^ |
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| 15:24.30 | dowwie | sure |
| 15:25.37 | tw | mrtnt: thanks much. doesn't look like qrencode itself provides terminal output code, but I'm not above throwing together a quick ncurses wrapper for it as needed. |
| 15:32.33 | dowwie | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1009060/ |
| 15:34.30 | tw | dowwie: try using stretch-pgdg instead of jessie-pgdg |
| 15:34.48 | dowwie | ok, what do I need to change ? |
| 15:34.48 | ghormoon | hi, is there some way to make a script that runs for specific interface in /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/* simmilarly to original way of /etc/dhcp/dhclient-${IF}-down-hooks ? (this one is not listed anymore in man, so I assume it's not possible) |
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| 15:35.57 | ghormoon | (mixed the enter/down names in the example, but you get it :)) |
| 15:36.15 | tw | dowwie: you have one or more lines in your sources.list or sources.list.d somewhere that says jessie-pgdg. Change all of them to stretch-pgdg. |
| 15:36.30 | petn-randall | dowwie: The apt.postgresql.org repo you have in your sources.list points to jessie, not stretch. That is your issue. |
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| 15:36.47 | dowwie | what are the .save files in /etc/apt for? can I delete the postgresql one safely |
| 15:37.10 | dowwie | petn-randall: aha, ok I am updating |
| 15:37.45 | dowwie | bingo! |
| 15:37.55 | dowwie | *hugs* <3 debian people |
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| 15:38.30 | petn-randall | dowwie: No idea what .save is, probably from your editor? Glad it worked out, you're welcome! |
| 15:38.54 | dowwie | I'll leave it alone for now then |
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| 16:02.53 | noze | Hi all, quick firefox question (sorry for the OT): I just installed a new add-on that screwed up my tabs and I'd like to restore a previously saved session. There's a bunch of stuff (recovery.jsonlz4, previous.jsonlz4, ..) in FF's sessionstore-backups folder. How can I get FF to load a previous session? what file does the session usually get read from? what does about:sessionrestore access? |
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| 16:15.36 | petn-randall | noze: Do you mean "profiles"? You can access them via 'firefox -ProfileManager'. |
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| 16:16.59 | qifan | someone help me seeting gnome gps, applet ? |
| 16:17.16 | Iridos | no⦠he means ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/sessionst* |
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| 16:18.30 | Iridos | and more specifically ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/sessionstore-backups/* ⦠although I'm not sure that's really the relevant one anyway |
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| 16:43.16 | wfq | hi all |
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| 16:45.55 | wfq | In here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/httpd/libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 I can read that this library "This package provides module for Python 3.X.". In some other places I've read that such module has problem with python 3 > 3.3. What is the way you guys drill down further in this issue? Thanks |
| 16:46.39 | greycat | Install it, see if it works. If it doesn't work, file a bug report. Or, look at existing bug reports. |
| 16:47.41 | petn-randall | wfq: Are you running Debian jessie? |
| 16:47.56 | wfq | greycat, well thanks but I guess there is a way of knowing if such limitations exist. I mean isn't there any official place on the net where I can drill down these sort of issues further for Debian |
| 16:48.02 | wfq | petn-randall yes |
| 16:48.23 | greycat | wfq: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 16:48.35 | petn-randall | wfq: You can check the BTS if this problem actually exists, but I'd assume if it's packaged in Debian, it works. If not, file a bug report. |
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| 16:50.05 | wfq | ok,thanks guys |
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| 17:09.39 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 17:09.56 | NapoleonWils0n | the libreoffice metapackage installs java |
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| 17:10.44 | NapoleonWils0n | should i just install libreoffice-write libreoffice-calc |
| 17:11.16 | NapoleonWils0n | i see several other packages like libreoffice-base |
| 17:11.32 | towo` | depends on your needs |
| 17:11.58 | NapoleonWils0n | i want to install the whole suite just without java |
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| 17:13.15 | jhutchins_wk | NapoleonWils0n: The whole suite uses java. |
| 17:13.29 | annadane | specifically it uses the free implementation of it |
| 17:13.34 | annadane | it's not oracle's java |
| 17:14.16 | petn-randall | NapoleonWils0n: Why exactly do you want that? It's kind of difficult to accomplish that if large parts of libreoffice are written in java. |
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| 17:14.43 | NapoleonWils0n | libreoffice work without java mate |
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| 17:14.58 | NapoleonWils0n | running libreoffice on unix with no java |
| 17:15.33 | NapoleonWils0n | its just the libreoffice metapackage that pulls in the java |
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| 17:15.59 | petn-randall | NapoleonWils0n: Sure, but then you have to cherry pick those parts of libreoffice that don't depend on java. |
| 17:16.27 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: does libreoffice-writer not pull in java? |
| 17:16.55 | annadane | libreoffice, being a metapackage, will installl a whole suite of applications like writer, calc, base, etc |
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| 17:19.45 | petn-randall | NapoleonWils0n: You could try with --no-install-recommends, but IIRC there are still parts that actually depend on java. |
| 17:20.06 | NapoleonWils0n | i would have thought libreoffice-base libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc would work |
| 17:21.33 | annadane | but anyway, why do you not want java? space issues? |
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| 17:21.59 | NapoleonWils0n | i just dont like java thats all |
| 17:22.14 | annadane | okay, well as i said, it's free and not proprietary |
| 17:22.48 | NapoleonWils0n | ill try cherry picking the packages |
| 17:23.45 | somiaj | I think it will be hard to avoid java with openoffice, as java is partly integrated into it. Even the libreoffice-writer depends on java. |
| 17:23.51 | petn-randall | hopes NapoleonWils0n likes Perl ... |
| 17:23.53 | somiaj | I mean libreoffice.... |
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| 17:29.31 | shtrb | writer can be used without java ( what really need it is ant ant-optional ca-certificates-java default-java-plugin default-jdk default-jdk-headless default-jre default-jre-headless icedtea-8-plugin icedtea-netx java-common libapache-poi-java liblayout-java libmsv-java libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java libreoffice-nlpsolver libreoffice-report-builder libreoffice-script-provider-bsh libreoffice-script-provider-js libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb |
| 17:29.32 | shtrb | libreoffice-wiki-publisher openjdk-8-jdk openjdk-8-jdk-headless openjdk-8-jre openjdk-8-jre-headless) |
| 17:30.17 | petn-randall | wonders what type of programming language openjdk-8-jre is. |
| 17:30.32 | shtrb | :) |
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| 17:31.33 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 17:35.44 | qifan | does it worth the upgrade from a 1060 gtx nvidia, too, a wave 64 msi, vega 64 ? |
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| 17:36.33 | acidtripper | why planning to upgrade ? |
| 17:36.42 | acidtripper | 1060 is good graphic card |
| 17:37.31 | jelly | qifan: how is this a Debian question? |
| 17:37.32 | qifan | acidtripper, to play decently deus EX and warhammer III :) |
| 17:37.39 | qifan | just questing :( |
| 17:37.54 | jelly | ask in ##hardware |
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| 17:38.22 | jelly | and probably mention you're running on linux because performance may vary |
| 17:38.23 | acidtripper | you'll have better results with nvidia |
| 17:38.31 | acidtripper | check some comparisons on web |
| 17:38.33 | acidtripper | full of |
| 17:38.40 | acidtripper | deus ex is for linux? |
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| 17:38.50 | qifan | i compared a 1060 vs 1080ti gives more 100fps |
| 17:38.54 | greycat | jelly: I think "does ___ video card work well on Debian?" would be on topic, at least. |
| 17:38.55 | AimHere | Deus Ex Mankind Divided is |
| 17:39.03 | qifan | so: vega64 vs 1080ti is the same as far as i can see |
| 17:39.06 | jelly | acidtripper: he's asking HERE so I'm assuming he's running that stuff on Debian |
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| 17:39.14 | qifan | Making Devided it is :))) greycat |
| 17:39.46 | acidtripper | greycat, maybe using propietary upgraded drivers |
| 17:39.48 | acidtripper | is a good option |
| 17:39.59 | acidtripper | i always prefer that option from apt-get ones |
| 17:40.18 | qifan | omg |
| 17:40.18 | qifan | nvm |
| 17:40.31 | acidtripper | jelly, you don't have to assume as fast as you do |
| 17:40.40 | acidtripper | you'll be surprised most of times |
| 17:40.42 | acidtripper | :P |
| 17:40.59 | jelly | acidtripper: if the assumption is incorrect, the question is 100% offtopic |
| 17:41.11 | greycat | qifan: never mind what? You asked about a non-Intel video card in #debian. The #debian issues involved are "Can it be made to work at all" and "How do you get a working driver installed on ___ version of Debian for ___ card". |
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| 17:42.09 | jelly | acidtripper: and offtopic support questions get punted in the direction of a better channel ASAP |
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| 17:42.36 | acidtripper | i have offtopic word |
| 17:42.48 | acidtripper | irc channels must be active is a community of users |
| 17:42.53 | acidtripper | hate* |
| 17:43.18 | greycat | If you just prattle for the sake of making noise, we'll silence you. |
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| 17:43.34 | greycat | An idle channel is a HAPPY channel, because it means we can focus our attention somewhere else. |
| 17:43.59 | jelly | acidtripper: I don't want to read offtopic activity in here, sorry. If there's a better place, do it there and if that means there's no lines in here for hours or days, that's _good_ |
| 17:44.03 | acidtripper | so lets be a gray community ;) |
| 17:45.49 | shtrb | acidtripper, check with the correct channel for the driver |
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| 17:46.06 | acidtripper | shtrb, im not having any problem was another user |
| 17:46.19 | acidtripper | most of times i solve issues at my own |
| 17:46.48 | shtrb | acidtripper, sorry |
| 17:46.55 | hypn0 | its just an overflow |
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| 18:12.28 | jehorn | Good day all |
| 18:12.41 | alkisg | Hello |
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| 18:44.45 | ikla | is cgroups available in debian? |
| 18:45.15 | greycat | Yes, has been for a while. |
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| 18:45.35 | greycat | "man 7 cgroups" for the overview page |
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| 18:52.43 | ChunkzZ | how can I disable swap? dphys-config and dphys-swapfile isn't installed but when I try "free -h" swap is listed. I have to "sudo swapoff -a" to turn it off? |
| 18:53.39 | ghormoon | hi, why are scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ run when I enable wifi in NM but /etc/network/if-down.d/ not when I disable it? |
| 18:53.46 | greycat | Yes, to disable it immediatly, use swapoff. To disable it upon the next reboot, comment out the line(s) in /etc/fstab. |
| 18:54.36 | ChunkzZ | thanks greycat :) |
| 18:55.26 | magyar | hi guys, dpkg bot is missing instructions on stretch->buster |
| 18:56.04 | greycat | buster isn't released yet. it is still testing. |
| 18:56.13 | Brigo | magyar, the instructions would be something like if you need instructions you shound't be using it. |
| 18:56.26 | ChunkzZ | worked great, cheers again greycat. |
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| 18:57.20 | magyar | greycat: i know, but there used to be instructions on how to move to testing |
| 18:58.08 | annadane | if you're willing to take the risks basically just replace stable/stretch with testing/buster (tracking a branch or a release name according to preferences) in your sources.list |
| 18:58.26 | Brigo | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:58.32 | annadane | (when buster becomes stable if you put buster in your sources you won't get nasty surprises) |
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| 18:58.36 | Brigo | you'll get a lot of fun, for sure. |
| 18:58.39 | annadane | yes, apt update, apt upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 18:59.05 | annadane | though apparently testing only *needs* one line |
| 19:00.00 | magyar | thanks |
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| 20:05.39 | qifan | Q: How do i install a new kernel that supports, my vega 56 ? i heared it was 4.12 kernel dependent is it true ? |
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| 20:06.11 | annadane | qifan, install the kernel from stretch-backports |
| 20:06.22 | annadane | it's on 4.14 (i think) |
| 20:06.26 | annadane | certainly newer than 4.12 |
| 20:06.26 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:06.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 20:06.28 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
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| 20:06.40 | qifan | how do i do that achivment ? |
| 20:06.45 | qifan | annadane, ? |
| 20:06.55 | greycat | qifan: /msg dpkg stretch backports |
| 20:07.37 | annadane | i think for the kernel it's apt install linux-image-<architecture> but i never remember how it's done |
| 20:07.51 | annadane | apt install -t=stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 for example |
| 20:07.53 | greycat | of course you need the -t stretch-backports part |
| 20:09.05 | qifan | this part : deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main |
| 20:09.17 | greycat | Please don't skip the "read the instructions" part. |
| 20:12.49 | qifan | annadane, but if i add the line should i need also the -t=stretch-backports allways ? |
| 20:13.07 | annadane | yes |
| 20:13.09 | greycat | You always need -t when installing a new package from backports. |
| 20:13.17 | greycat | Just like it says in the instructions. |
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| 20:13.37 | qifan | does apt-cache search <package> returns also packages from backports ? |
| 20:13.45 | qifan | thank you |
| 20:14.00 | greycat | Yes, it will. |
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| 20:14.08 | greycat | You'll get all available versions from all repositories. |
| 20:15.47 | qifan | is installing |
| 20:15.49 | qifan | :) |
| 20:15.51 | qifan | brb food |
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| 20:30.25 | qifan | Q: How do i see if linux-headers are in use, do i really need them? |
| 20:30.39 | greycat | only if you plan to build a kernel module from source code |
| 20:30.45 | qifan | ohh |
| 20:30.47 | qifan | :> |
| 20:31.13 | qifan | but i have two headers, common and 4.9 headers repectively |
| 20:34.09 | towo` | that's normal |
| 20:34.41 | towo` | and if you don't need them, purge them |
| 20:34.57 | qifan | towo :) good night, as i tryed to upgrade my system like annadane told now i face a issue im missing the linux-headers |
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| 20:35.09 | qifan | an* |
| 20:35.16 | annadane | not my fault! |
| 20:35.20 | annadane | (hopefully) |
| 20:35.22 | qifan | Q: how should be the procedure ? |
| 20:35.40 | annadane | how did you try "upgrading" your system? |
| 20:35.47 | greycat | If you don't build kernel driver modules (e.g. nvidia) then you could just *remove* them. |
| 20:35.55 | qifan | i am installing the headers and re-install the linux-kernel again |
| 20:35.55 | towo` | qifan, who tells you about missing headers? |
| 20:35.57 | qifan | hope it w0rks |
| 20:35.59 | qifan | :) |
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| 20:36.12 | greycat | why are you reinstalling a package you just installed? |
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| 20:37.28 | qifan | https://pastebin.com/yDg5PnaH |
| 20:37.54 | towo` | qifan, and if you mean with vega 56 your amd graphics card, you need at least kernel 4.15, since vega depends on DC, which is introduced with kernel 4.15 |
| 20:38.18 | qifan | ohh |
| 20:38.26 | qifan | 4.15 , is downloaded from the web? |
| 20:38.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:38.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 20:38.40 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
| 20:38.48 | greycat | so... he *IS* building kernel modules? |
| 20:38.54 | qifan | ty :> |
| 20:39.08 | qifan | experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1) is my aim |
| 20:39.13 | annadane | oh god. |
| 20:39.15 | greycat | jesus |
| 20:39.28 | greycat | How about you just ... wait? |
| 20:39.46 | greycat | Or stop buying hardware that still has amniotic fluid dripping off it? |
| 20:41.39 | jhutchins_wk | qifan: You REALLY should not try to run an experimental kernel given the questions you've been asking. |
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| 20:42.32 | qifan | maybe from the iso? |
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| 20:42.47 | annadane | qifan, leave experimental alone |
| 20:42.52 | annadane | wait for 4.15 to hit backports, if it does |
| 20:43.00 | qifan | maybe :) |
| 20:43.01 | qifan | ty |
| 20:43.04 | qifan | for advice |
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| 20:43.11 | qifan | i ll wait |
| 20:43.12 | annadane | and stop rushing things |
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| 20:57.20 | xet7 | How do I disable timed screensaver and logout in Debian 10 XFCE ? Screen does not stay on, I need to login again, and the terminal window I opened is gone. |
| 20:59.02 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 20:59.03 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:59.11 | annadane | or perhaps ask in an xfce specific irc channel |
| 21:00.21 | xet7 | Ok |
| 21:00.31 | xet7 | Thanks! |
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| 21:13.50 | AlexPortable | How do i install openssh-server 7.2 (or higher) on debian 8? |
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| 21:20.16 | hypn0 | doesn't look like you can in 8 AlexPortable, why are you on 8 still, got 7.4+ on 9 |
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| 21:24.02 | somiaj | AlexPortable: looks like if you really need it on jessie, you'll have to backport it yourself. I expect it to backport fairly easily (though you'll most likely have to backport openssl as well too) |
| 21:24.53 | greycat | Hard to think of too many reasons to hold a server on jessie, unless it's PHP or MySQL related. |
| 21:25.44 | AlexPortable | because server provider doesnt offer 9 |
| 21:25.55 | greycat | You've already got over the big huge systemd speed bump going from wheezy to jessie. Jessie to stretch is nothin'. |
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| 21:26.22 | metastable | AlexPortable: What's preventing you from doing a release upgrade? |
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| 21:27.11 | AlexPortable | true |
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| 21:37.01 | AlexPortable | user1: access all files in /folder/, user2: access all files in /folder/foo/, user3: access all files in /folder/foo/bar/, what would be the best approach do to this? |
| 21:37.26 | greycat | Groups? |
| 21:37.33 | AlexPortable | and then? |
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| 21:40.06 | greycat | chgrp g1 /directory; chgrp g2 /directory/foo; chgrp g3 /directory/foo/bar; put user1 in all 3 groups; put user2 in g2 and g3 only; put user3 in g3 only; all directories must have the 001 (o+x) bit set so users can move THROUGH them even if they can't read the files. |
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| 21:59.38 | AlexPortable | and what should the file permissions more be? |
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| 21:59.56 | greycat | I'm sure you can figure it out. |
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| 22:03.59 | AlexPortable | nope |
| 22:04.01 | AlexPortable | permission denied |
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| 22:29.15 | Exagone313 | Hi, I want to run multiple apps on a (home) server and I'd like to use containers to isolate network access. I think I have two options (if I omit docker): systemd-nspawn and lxc. What would you recommend? Thanks for your help. |
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| 22:30.51 | _0xis | have you looked at proxmox? |
| 22:31.01 | syntaxman | The more I learn about systemd, the more it sucks. |
| 22:31.15 | syntaxman | I cannot fathom how it gained so much traction. |
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| 22:32.05 | Exagone313 | if it uses lxc below, I can just use lxc manually, this isn't for prod with a lot of servers or such |
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| 22:34.25 | metastable | syntaxman: Do you have a support question? |
| 22:35.00 | Exagone313 | I tried lxc on another distro and I could share the package manager cache to do not download packages multiple timeS. do you know if it's possible with debian? would it be safe to (bind) mount /var/cache/apt? I can ensure that only one instance of apt/dpkg runs at the same time across host and containers if needed |
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| 22:35.58 | Exagone313 | I haven't yet tried systemd-nspawn |
| 22:36.19 | mischief | are the gdb python pretty printers for GNU C++ available as a debian package somewhere? |
| 22:36.25 | Exagone313 | this one seems lighter as I just containerize a few apps |
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| 22:37.39 | mischief | Exagone313: you could just use a http proxy? :) |
| 22:37.40 | syntaxman | metastable: nope. I'm done. |
| 22:38.29 | Exagone313 | mischief: I have some apps that listen on all interfaces instead of just localhost, for example, and I want to prevent/limit access between containers |
| 22:38.50 | Exagone313 | my server isn't powerful enough to use vm |
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| 22:43.26 | Exagone313 | I think I'm gonna try systemd-nspawn and make my choice on that experience ^^ |
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| 22:46.52 | gubernator | Hi, I'm having a sudo issue. My steps were: |
| 22:46.58 | gubernator | (1) su root (2) apt-get install sudo (3) adduser gubernator sudo (4) log out (5) log in (6) sudo echo "Hello, wurld!" (7) gubernator is not in the sudoers file |
| 22:47.03 | gubernator | (8) repeat steps 1 and 3 (9) The user `gubernator' is already a member of `sudo' (10) seems contradictory? |
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| 22:48.19 | metastable | gubernator: 1. Try ending all active sessions for your user to see if that helps. 2. 'su root' is redundant. |
| 22:50.08 | gubernator | metastable, active sessions? log out is not ending active session? |
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| 22:51.21 | metastable | gubernator: Depends entirely on how you're logged in. |
| 22:51.36 | metastable | gubernator: If there are any running processes as your user, then no. |
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| 22:52.50 | gubernator | metastable: Okay, perhaps it's a cinnamon thing? This is a fresh debian 9 install so everything is default. I will reboot. Thanks |
| 22:54.00 | metastable | gubernator: If you're running a cinnamon session, then you're running processes as your user and the group membership change isn't taking effect. |
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| 22:56.24 | gubernator | metastable: Interesting. So if I log out, then log in as user Guest, is cinnamon still running as gubernator? |
| 22:57.19 | metastable | gubernator: Once you end YOUR session, then that should be it. A DE's processes run generally as the user that launched the session. This is the case with GNOME, KDE, et al. |
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| 22:58.38 | gubernator | metastable: I seem to be missing something here. When I log out, and have to provide my user password to log back in, have I not ended the session for that user? |
| 22:59.04 | metastable | gubernator: Have you logged out of the desktop session, or the shell? |
| 22:59.28 | gubernator | metastable: Desktop session |
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| 22:59.30 | metastable | gubernator: It's entirely possible that there's a remnant process due to Cinnamon or some other process you launched during your session. I have no way of knowing without seeing your process list. |
| 22:59.31 | Exagone313 | as root: EDITOR=vim visudo |
| 23:00.00 | metastable | The sudo group has sudoers rights by default in Debian, unless he modified it. |
| 23:00.14 | Exagone313 | ok |
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| 23:00.34 | Exagone313 | I would check, but ok |
| 23:00.43 | metastable | I did check. |
| 23:01.01 | metastable | If he modified it, then that's on him. :P |
| 23:01.38 | ber532k | gubernator: You could do the windows-ish thing and just reboot and see if it fixes it â should fix remaining processes, services are reloaded etc. |
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| 23:01.41 | gubernator | metastable: are you talking about my case still? I have not modified anything. The steps out lined about are literally the first thing I did after logging into my DE |
| 23:01.48 | Exagone313 | gubernator: check if that happens in a tty |
| 23:02.03 | metastable | gubernator: A restart should work. |
| 23:02.08 | Exagone313 | also type the command groups to check your groups |
| 23:02.08 | gubernator | I will do the reboot. Just hoped to understand |
| 23:03.30 | gubernator | Exagone313: groups command does not list sudo for my user, so probably something is still happening with my user even when I "log out" of my cinnamon session. Kind of worries me that things are not right though |
| 23:03.42 | ber532k | Well, sometimes it's worth to look into something, sometimes it's easier to just reboot |
| 23:04.16 | Exagone313 | if you're back in your display manager, I don't think any process of your session can still be running |
| 23:04.19 | ber532k | My experience with cinnamon is, that there are indeed rogue processes that shouldn't (as far as I'm concerned) be there |
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| 23:04.47 | gubernator | Maybe I should not be using a DE that came from Mint... but I liked it |
| 23:05.31 | gubernator | I think we're all bored of my little issue, so off to reboot I go, thanks |
| 23:05.52 | ber532k | It's pretty nice. Kept suspending my system on lid-close though, even though I disabled any imaginable setting |
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| 23:08.35 | gubernator | all good now. guess it was rogue cinnamon process |
| 23:09.43 | Exagone313 | next time clear the whole floor before moving to the next |
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| 23:13.07 | gubernator | Exagone313: what sort of command takes care of that without rebooting? something that will restart the DE... is that what I want? |
| 23:14.17 | ber532k | Not if it's a rogue process, that's why you call it rogue ;) |
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| 23:15.16 | ber532k | ´systemctl restart lightdm´ (or whatever dm) might do the trick as well otherwise |
| 23:16.23 | gubernator | I'll recreate the problem and test a dm restart |
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| 23:38.22 | mutante | i want to auto-connect to wifi networks _except_ if an AP is called "xfinity". Is that possible? |
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| 23:45.28 | WiLK | i recently installed stretch on my laptop and it doesn't detect wifi. how can i solve it? |
| 23:47.01 | phogg | WiLK: do you have the appropriate firmware installed? |
| 23:48.46 | WiLK | i'm kinda new with it, i read some guides about it and tried to do the steps, but none solved my problem. how can i check and install the appropriate firmware? |
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