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| 00:13.38 | ardualabs | No, but now that you mention it, I'd be interested myself. |
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| 00:32.24 | rant | yeah its just a little annoying when you've used a widget on nearly a dozen different systems for decades then suddenly it works differently, not even mentioning on slower systems jumping to a different spot in a page like that causes severe UI lag cause the prgrams only reload the next content not the whole page when there isnt enough ram |
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| 03:17.46 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I just upgraded my backup server to Stretch and now the Bacula director service terminates with "No bacula-director SQL package installed" but one is. |
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| 03:49.46 | AkQ | is there a script generator in internetz where i could choose what repos to install and after i've done choosing, it would generate me a script to run and it would install all those things that i chose? |
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| 05:37.31 | Dungeon | hey guys i have nginx trying to come up on my server on port 8080. originally it was there to answer as a database manager. i had used the apt-get purge nginx but its still poping up from somewhere. can someone assist me in running down whatever is starting it and where from? |
| 05:42.51 | teatime | `dpkg -l | grep -i nginx` to see if any pkgs are installed, `pgrep -a nginx` might get you a full path if it's installed from source etc., or `sudo updatedb; locate bin/nginx` |
| 05:43.03 | RoyK | chekck ps axf |
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| 05:59.10 | Dungeon | the didnt show anything |
| 05:59.19 | Dungeon | and im running it as root |
| 06:00.15 | Dungeon | the db command did though /opt/ng99/sbin/nginx |
| 06:00.52 | teatime | looks like manually installed software |
| 06:01.45 | Dungeon | i run a lamp setup when i setup the server |
| 06:01.51 | Dungeon | from debians page |
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| 06:02.18 | Dungeon | but im being accused of botnetting because they can telnet to 8080 |
| 06:02.58 | RoyK | did you install this thing? |
| 06:03.04 | Dungeon | i told them i thought thats where the db manager was but they kept complaining its not been accessed that i can tell by looking at the who command |
| 06:03.10 | Dungeon | but that doesnt say much |
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| 06:03.39 | RoyK | reinstall it, then |
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| 06:03.44 | RoyK | setup something clean |
| 06:04.04 | Dungeon | i just dont have the time and have been really sick and in bed |
| 06:04.15 | Dungeon | i run an ultima shard on the server |
| 06:04.39 | Dungeon | i have a utility installed that i might could run and clean out the db all together :) |
| 06:05.01 | Dungeon | but if someone can give me an assist on stopping it and or getting rid of it, im down |
| 06:05.22 | RoyK | I really don't care, but if you have nginx installed somewhere you didn't install it, something is obviously wrong |
| 06:05.42 | RoyK | debian packanges don't install into /opt |
| 06:06.17 | teatime | Dungeon: "systemctl list-unit-files | grep -i nginx" perhaps |
| 06:06.31 | teatime | Dungeon: it's hard to tell you what to do when you don't remember what you did to set it up originally |
| 06:06.56 | Dungeon | i ran a setup that i believe installed it as a db manager i setup for these new cms's |
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| 06:07.18 | Dungeon | ya i know right? and its been a little over a year i believe since it was done |
| 06:07.48 | Dungeon | lost my dad and have been sick on top of it myself. been a rough few years no lie |
| 06:09.57 | Dungeon | ots of stuff listed in the systemctl |
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| 06:11.08 | acidtripper | systemd is for dummies |
| 06:12.01 | Dungeon | on the grep command its like its hung |
| 06:12.39 | teatime | did you type it correctly |
| 06:12.41 | teatime | it's all one command |
| 06:12.44 | Dungeon | i managed to get the dns working and the apache and registered for free certs and several other things and that was about it |
| 06:12.49 | teatime | sigh |
| 06:13.00 | Dungeon | lol |
| 06:13.12 | Dungeon | im sorry |
| 06:13.51 | Dungeon | root@host:/# systemctl list-unit-files | grep -i nginx |
| 06:13.51 | Dungeon | root@host:/# |
| 06:13.56 | Dungeon | nothing |
| 06:14.31 | JustASlacker | killall nginx -s9 |
| 06:14.33 | JustASlacker | ^_° |
| 06:14.54 | JustASlacker | is it running at all? pgrep nginx |
| 06:15.01 | Dungeon | i find its pid number with netstat and kill it |
| 06:15.29 | JustASlacker | ok. could use fuser and pgrep as well |
| 06:15.30 | Dungeon | kill -9 command and it reopens itself 4 times 1 pid above where its at then it will stay closed a bit and restart |
| 06:15.59 | JustASlacker | just do a killall |
| 06:16.05 | Dungeon | nginx: no process found |
| 06:16.19 | awal1 | dpkg --auto-deconfigure --purge gnome-tweak-tool |
| 06:16.19 | dpkg | awal1: wish i knew |
| 06:16.31 | Dungeon | is the echo that come back with the killall command |
| 06:16.32 | awal1 | sorry |
| 06:16.46 | JustASlacker | Dungeon: well, that means there is no nginx anymore |
| 06:17.42 | JustASlacker | I hope that was the plan |
| 06:17.44 | Dungeon | root@host:/# updatedb; locate bin/nginx |
| 06:17.47 | Dungeon | ./opt/ng99/sbin/nginx |
| 06:17.55 | Dungeon | its still showing that |
| 06:18.09 | teatime | that finds files on the filesystem |
| 06:18.10 | Dungeon | and yes that will work :) |
| 06:18.12 | JustASlacker | well, yeah, you just killed the process. the files will still be on disk |
| 06:18.18 | Dungeon | wish it was gone i tried to purge it |
| 06:18.32 | JustASlacker | purge will only remove stuff installed by pkg managment |
| 06:18.36 | JustASlacker | that looks handcrafted |
| 06:18.46 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.51 | Dungeon | i used apt-get purge nginx last month |
| 06:19.11 | JustASlacker | does not matter if it was installed in a different way, without apt |
| 06:19.36 | JustASlacker | also, just apt purge, nowadays |
| 06:20.03 | Dungeon | i did run a custom lamp setup so i cant say it wasnt me |
| 06:20.20 | JustASlacker | I would not believe you anyway |
| 06:21.13 | Dungeon | so inside the directory opt/ng99 we have html mime.types sbin var |
| 06:21.39 | Dungeon | inside the var is a run folder |
| 06:21.50 | Dungeon | there is a pid.nginx |
| 06:22.19 | Dungeon | so by removing that it wont start by itself at least correct? |
| 06:22.21 | Dungeon | :) |
| 06:22.32 | JustASlacker | what is the endgame? what are you trying to do? |
| 06:22.57 | Dungeon | technically i just need it not to start at the minimum |
| 06:23.22 | Dungeon | need to be nosey and pay it a bit of attention if i can tolerate this infection in my back |
| 06:23.46 | JustASlacker | that can be tricky. you could move /opt/ng99 to /opt/delme |
| 06:24.02 | Dungeon | i put clam on it after resolving an issue that made me pull my hair out trying to purge nginx originally but havent run it |
| 06:24.06 | JustASlacker | that should be the end of pretty much any startup script |
| 06:24.16 | Dungeon | aye |
| 06:24.22 | Dungeon | ok |
| 06:24.32 | Dungeon | thats a nice start |
| 06:29.12 | Dungeon | ok i created a new dir called delme and moved the ng99 dir into it :) |
| 06:29.35 | JustASlacker | just /opt/ng99 /opt/delme would have done it |
| 06:29.38 | JustASlacker | err |
| 06:29.48 | JustASlacker | just "mv /opt/ng99 /opt/delme" would have done it |
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| 07:10.22 | acidtripper | debhelper, why always setting channel limit? |
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| 07:10.52 | acidtripper | i know :P |
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| 07:16.31 | somiaj | acidtripper: it is to stop mass joins of bots, so the bot is constnatally changing the limit to be a few more than the current number of people. |
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| 07:18.03 | acidtripper | channel if full-of bots |
| 07:18.16 | acidtripper | beside debhelper attiude |
| 07:18.30 | acidtripper | besides |
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| 07:19.48 | acidtripper | people is the only force can deal bots |
| 07:20.10 | acidtripper | bots cant fight bots |
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| 07:24.31 | acidtripper | channel politics kill bots, neither bots. |
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| 07:43.21 | choice | Hello! What does it mean when I get this after 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'? 'The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-amd64' |
| 07:43.36 | oskie | choice: try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:43.51 | choice | oskie: Why? |
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| 07:44.39 | towo^work | or apt upgrade |
| 07:44.40 | gpunk | because it is an upgrade |
| 07:45.01 | choice | What will happen if I don't? |
| 07:45.16 | towo^work | you never get the ficed kernel |
| 07:45.21 | towo^work | *fixed |
| 07:45.22 | gpunk | then it wont get installed |
| 07:45.33 | choice | How would it affect me? |
| 07:45.47 | gpunk | .. look at the changelongs |
| 07:46.06 | towo^work | is whispering spectre, meltdown |
| 07:46.24 | choice | Why don't they deploy the fix via 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 07:46.30 | towo^work | and what's the problem with using dist-upgrade |
| 07:46.30 | alkisg | choice: in short, "apt-get update" is the wrong command to do |
| 07:46.37 | alkisg | It means "don't properly update my system" |
| 07:46.40 | towo^work | choice, read the manpage |
| 07:47.08 | towo^work | choice, and learn the differnce between abp and apt-get |
| 07:47.14 | towo^work | *apt |
| 07:47.16 | alkisg | dist-upgrade doesn't mean "go to the next distro version", it means "do a proper update" |
| 07:48.05 | towo^work | and that's why, apt knows full-upgrade |
| 07:48.36 | somiaj | choice: apt-get upgrade will not install new packages with the upgrade, and the recent kernel update due to an abi change, requires you to install a new package. |
| 07:49.00 | towo^work | but apt upgrade would do |
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| 07:49.25 | somiaj | or aptitude upgrade = aptitude safe-upgrade, they use different logic. They will install new packages, but not remove packages to satsify an upgrade. |
| 07:50.36 | towo^work | or apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs |
| 07:50.39 | somiaj | choice: it is just rare in stable that one needs to install a new package in an upgrade. Kernel abi changes are one of the very few exceptions. |
| 07:50.50 | towo^work | would even work, but that's the default for apt upgrade |
| 07:51.33 | choice | somiaj: I have been maintaining this system for years. Always uses 'apt-get upgrade'. If I use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' now, will crazy stuff happen? |
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| 07:52.06 | somiaj | choice: again read the man page, the difference is what you allow apt to do during the upgrade. Provided you only have stable sources in your system no. |
| 07:53.02 | somiaj | choice: dist-upgrade will let apt do whatever it can figure out to preform an upgrade (Which could remove half your system). upgrade, won't allow installing of new packages or removing of packages. and apt upgrade (the suggested method for end users these days) will install new packages, but won't remove any packages. |
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| 07:53.29 | choice | somiaj: So you would suggest I run 'apt upgrade'? |
| 07:53.50 | somiaj | choice: but the (remove half your system) would only be due to having bad sources in your sources.list, it will not just do that because it is fun. |
| 07:54.10 | somiaj | choice: yes, apt is meant to be a more end user replacement for apt-get, and apt-get is kept around to have a stable abi and for scripts. |
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| 07:55.01 | choice | somiaj: I have 'jessie main', 'jessie/updates main contrib non-free', 'jessie/updates main contrib non-free', 'jessie-backports main' and 'stretch main' in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:55.44 | somiaj | choice: you should for the most part be fine (jessie-backports isn't as well tested as the other sources, but provided you only install a few things from there, would be fine) |
| 07:56.02 | towo^work | jessie and stretch in the sources |
| 07:56.36 | somiaj | oh yea, nevermind, I totally missed you have stretch in your sources. You most likely arne't running jessie anymore. |
| 07:56.40 | choice | towo^work: Yes. Not sure why. stretch is only sources though. 'deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main' |
| 07:56.53 | somiaj | choice: as a deb-src that is fine, it won't affect binary packages. |
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| 07:57.53 | choice | Man, this sounds dangerous. |
| 07:58.49 | somiaj | choice: simple answer, just run apt. so 'apt upgrade' and you'll be fine. |
| 07:59.08 | towo^work | does jessie have apt? |
| 07:59.23 | somiaj | I think so, I think it was introduced in jessie. |
| 07:59.26 | choice | somiaj: This server has 50k users. So I rather think twice before doing new stuff. |
| 08:00.17 | somiaj | towo^work: yea, the jessie package for apt contains /usr/bin/apt |
| 08:00.31 | somiaj | choice: you'll be fine, apt upgrade is probabaly safer than 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 08:00.50 | somiaj | choice: though both would work just fine, provided you have decent sources.list, which it appears you do. |
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| 08:01.51 | somiaj | or as towo^work also mentioned, apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade would work too |
| 08:02.31 | choice | If I go the 'apt upgrade' route from now on, would I do 'apt update && apt upgrade'? |
| 08:02.54 | somiaj | choice: correct |
| 08:03.25 | somiaj | choice: apt is meant to be a replacement for apt-get, for the most part you can replace apt with apt-get. |
| 08:05.35 | choice | What was the rationale of replacing apt-get? |
| 08:06.20 | somiaj | choice: it is not a full replacement. Multiple reasons, one is apt-get is used in scripts, and as such must have a very stable set of options and behavior. Thus apt-get cannot be changed without causing a lot of mess to important scripts. |
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| 08:07.20 | choice | somiaj: The new behaviour is something else then apt-get could do via its options? |
| 08:07.29 | somiaj | choice: second, was, between apt-get, and apt-cache there were lots of common commands that could be united in a single binary. so apt is an end user tool that has most the functionliaty of apt-get and apt-cache, but for an end user (not a script). As such it has simplifed options, it makes nicer output on the screen (including color), and over all is what a user running the command ni a terminal should |
| 08:07.35 | somiaj | use. apt-get is left around to be stable and for scripts. |
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| 08:08.17 | somiaj | choice: it is mostly in output and options, if you look at man apt-get, you'll get overwhelmed by options that only an very advanced user or script would even want. apt has removed these, and tries to provide a simpiler interface for an end user, while provided the same functionlaity. |
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| 08:12.06 | towo^work | apt also have some other defaults |
| 08:12.21 | towo^work | so apt is not archieving downloaded packages |
| 08:12.45 | choice | towo^work: My systems are full of archived packages? |
| 08:12.52 | towo^work | sure |
| 08:13.06 | towo^work | if you do not have used apt-get clean some times |
| 08:13.12 | somiaj | choice: check /var/cache/apt/archives, apt-get by default won't delete these, apt will (But you can change this) |
| 08:14.05 | choice | 4GB of stuff on my desktop machine. |
| 08:14.11 | choice | I can just rm * it? |
| 08:14.12 | somiaj | choice: note the differences it not that apt-get couldn't do these things, it is that they don't want to change what apt-get does due to scripts, so apt gives the matainers more freedom to remove/change defaults without causing tourmoil downstream. |
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| 08:14.18 | somiaj | choice: or run apt-get clean |
| 08:14.33 | somiaj | or apt-get autoclean, if you want to have a cache of only the most latest version of the packages on your system. |
| 08:14.43 | choice | apt-get clean deleted them :) |
| 08:14.55 | choice | Why would I want a cache? |
| 08:15.19 | somiaj | choice: various reasons, but maybe for someone running stable, not that important. |
| 08:16.03 | somiaj | I personally like it, when running testing, makes downgrading very easy as I have a copy of the older packages, I can also copy the packages to other machines and not have to redownload them each time (though one should really use apt-cacher-ng for something like that) |
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| 08:20.32 | choice | Trying it on my least important server now ... |
| 08:22.35 | choice | Strange that checkrestart does not find anything after installing a new kernel. |
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| 08:23.42 | somiaj | choice: dpkg -l | linux-image (you see the -5 kernel installed) which is different than the -4 kernel you are running with uname -a |
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| 08:24.19 | choice | somiaj: dpkg -l gives me a wall of text. |
| 08:24.33 | choice | uname -a tells me I'm on kernel 3. |
| 08:24.37 | somiaj | choice: arg, I mean dpkg -l | grep linux-image (just see what linux images you are on) |
| 08:24.52 | somiaj | oh jessie, sorry, I forget what kernels jessie has. |
| 08:24.59 | choice | rebooted now |
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| 08:26.27 | choice | The machine still works :) |
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| 08:26.53 | somiaj | it should, changeing from apt-get to apt isn't going to change the actual packages your system has available |
| 08:27.14 | choice | Ok. It also changed the kernel though. |
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| 08:28.11 | choice | Progressing to a copy of my production server now. Lets do the apt dance there... |
| 08:28.39 | lastaid | hello. i have a quick questio. https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi3 this image. does it contain the mainline kernel or the raspbian kernel https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ? |
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| 08:30.28 | somiaj | lastaid: debian is not raspbian, so I would doubt it is the raspbian image. |
| 08:30.45 | choice | somiaj: Strange, on that system, after apt-update, uname -n gives me kernel 4.4 but dpkg shows kernel 3.16. |
| 08:30.48 | somiaj | lastaid: there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net that might have a better understanding of what that image is and how it is diffrent. |
| 08:31.18 | choice | somiaj: So apt update caused the kernel to go from 4.4 to 3.16? |
| 08:31.31 | somiaj | choice: is 3.16 the only kernel installed in the list 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image', that sounds like an outdated jessie-backports kernel. |
| 08:31.54 | somiaj | choice: no. You would have to have manually install that 4.4. kernel from jessie-backports. |
| 08:32.03 | somiaj | choice: (or you are on a vps sharing a kernel with the host) |
| 08:32.30 | choice | somiaj: Yes, it shows 3.16 three times in dpkg -l and no other versions. |
| 08:32.37 | choice | somiaj: Yes, all my machines are VPS. |
| 08:33.15 | somiaj | choice: depending on the virtualizing system (such as xen or openvz) the kernel you see in uname -a could be from the host. |
| 08:33.42 | choice | somiaj: I should still go the 'apt upgrade' route? |
| 08:33.46 | lastaid | somiaj: thank you, i will look there |
| 08:34.34 | somiaj | choice: again, apt and apt-get are just slightly different in terms of logic and features. Provided your sources are only stable, you'll be fine. |
| 08:34.56 | somiaj | choice: so the kernel thing or even what packages get installed is more likely due to your configuration/sources.list than if you use apt vs apt-get |
| 08:35.17 | choice | somiaj: Ok. Why is there a difference in kernels between dpkg and uname? |
| 08:35.23 | somiaj | and by logic, I meant default, they use the same libapt backend for logic. |
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| 08:35.59 | somiaj | choice: ls /boot, do you see the 4.4 kernel? If not it is due to the virtualization. As I said, some virtualization systems use the hosts kernel (or kernel provided by the host) not the guest. |
| 08:36.26 | somiaj | but you'll have to ask your host/vps provider about such deatils like that. |
| 08:36.48 | choice | somiaj: in /boot there is the 3.16 kernel |
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| 08:37.30 | somiaj | from what you have said, I see no reason to think you have a 4.4 kernel installed, so this is most likely due to your VPS. Contact your host for more info on this. |
| 08:37.50 | somiaj | and this maybe why check install isn't thinking you need to reboot, since you are running the host's kernel, not your own. |
| 08:38.01 | somiaj | sorry checkreboot or whatever you were running |
| 08:38.07 | choice | somiaj: Why does uname -a output 4.4? Where does it get that info from? |
| 08:38.08 | versuchsanstalt | I am trying to disable ipv6 on a remote sshd. How can I check if ipv6 is really disabled? |
| 08:38.36 | somiaj | choice: how many times are you going to make me repeate, 'it is most likely from your host', and to check your VPS provider for details? |
| 08:39.15 | choice | somiaj: Well, uname is a program. It will read that info from somewhere in the file system I guess. So my question was where it is looking at. |
| 08:39.16 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: ip a, should let you know if you have any ipv6 address assigned to any of your interfaces. To me that should be disabled enough. (and I would ignore lo) |
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| 08:39.52 | somiaj | choice: it is reading info from your memeory about the kernel you have booted into memeory. |
| 08:40.12 | choice | somiaj: Ok, so in memory there is a different kernel then in /boot. Interesting. |
| 08:40.48 | versuchsanstalt | somiaj: Thank you for the suggestion. I'd rather not disable ipv6 system wide in order to not break other services. My goal is to disable ipv6 with sshd only. |
| 08:41.09 | choice | somiaj: Wouldnt apt update install the wrong dependencies then if it thinks I run a different kernel? |
| 08:41.25 | somiaj | choice: I think you should take a bit longer to try to understand what you have been told. You are most likely using your host kernel. |
| 08:41.52 | somiaj | choice: apt doesn't care what kernel you are running. apt only knows what packages are installed and what is in the sources.list as I have said. this has nothign to do with apt/apt-get. |
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| 08:42.06 | versuchsanstalt | But what I'm trying to do now is checking if I have been successful... :-) |
| 08:42.17 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: maybe 'ss' can tell you if you have sshd listening on an ipv6 address or not, I'm not sure the best wayt ot track that down. |
| 08:42.27 | choice | somiaj: Isn't it installing the wrong stuff then in relation to the kernel in my memory? |
| 08:42.43 | versuchsanstalt | maybe tell the client to use v6 explicitly, expecting it to fail... |
| 08:43.02 | somiaj | choice: ... |
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| 08:43.21 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: well you could ip a, get your ipv6 address of your interface and try to ssh to that address. |
| 08:44.06 | choice | somiaj: apt thinks I'm on kernel 4.4, right? But in reality it's kernel 3.16. I wonder why this is not causing problems. |
| 08:44.17 | somiaj | choice: apt knows nothing about what kernel you are running. |
| 08:44.39 | somiaj | choice: I really don't want to explain how a kernel works, go read on google. |
| 08:44.41 | versuchsanstalt | if I try to verify client side I'd rely on the assumption that the client could actually connect using v6 if the server was well configured. Assumptions are a bad way to check. |
| 08:45.03 | versuchsanstalt | but thank you a lot, somiaj |
| 08:45.37 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: you should be able to try it from the host, just like if I went 'ssh 192.168.1.1' this would work on the host, and only work if sshd was listening on that address. |
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| 08:46.07 | somiaj | choice: apt/dpkg only know what packages you have installed. |
| 08:46.36 | somiaj | (and yes, on may systems you need a kernel to be installed, but when you are using your hosts kernel, this is a different setup). You should contact your VPS if you want to know how they configure things. |
| 08:46.38 | versuchsanstalt | somiaj: ahh, great. that looks quite elegant actually. |
| 08:46.40 | somiaj | I'm only guessing. |
| 08:46.43 | choice | somiaj: All the packages are compatible with kernel 3.16 *and* kernel 4.4? |
| 08:47.14 | somiaj | choice: all -- no, almost all -yes, and the ones that aren't you won't care about anyways. |
| 08:47.39 | choice | Ok .. final step: rebooting my production server... |
| 08:47.49 | somiaj | choice: my guess is your vps has been running this different kernel the whole time, and it has worked this whole time. |
| 08:47.52 | choice | If this goes wrong, 50000 people will cry. |
| 08:48.02 | somiaj | choice: you most likely don't need to reboot since you are using the hosts kernel. |
| 08:48.25 | choice | Well, better reboot now then at some point in the future when something else goes bonka. |
| 08:48.29 | somiaj | choice: well don't take random advise from people ont he internet. Contact your VPS, you pay them, they should support you. |
| 08:49.04 | choice | somiaj: I don't think they employ people. Companies don't do that anymore. They only run machines these days. |
| 08:49.10 | somiaj | they will also know far better how their virtualization is setup. I'm just giving you my best educated guess. |
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| 08:49.40 | choice | The only place where people still meet is a cozy fireside place called irc. |
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| 08:50.16 | plop1342 | Hi |
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| 08:50.51 | plop1342 | I have exchanged a secret key (a 128bit integer) with a friend |
| 08:51.03 | plop1342 | (we'll reproduce the exchange later with a 256 one) |
| 08:51.22 | plop1342 | is there an easy way from CLI to encode a sentence with this 128bit integer? |
| 08:51.41 | plop1342 | echo "hello world" |encode -key 98379813091830981903091093 |
| 08:51.47 | plop1342 | something like that? |
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| 08:53.19 | somiaj | plop1342: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/linux-commandline-encryption-tools/ -- first google hit for your question |
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| 08:55.28 | plop1342 | somiaj: i already saw gpg but it seems it requires a key in a specific format |
| 08:55.44 | somiaj | there was also openssl in that list, those are the two main tools in linux |
| 08:55.49 | plop1342 | here we only have the 128 bit |
| 08:55.57 | plop1342 | or 32 char hex |
| 08:56.31 | somiaj | this isn't a debian specific question, you may find better answers in ##linux or maybe someplace that support encryption for other tools, but gpg and openssl seem to be the main two encryption tools in linux. |
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| 08:56.45 | somiaj | there maybe other simplier ones for your needs, but I don't know of any. |
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| 08:58.58 | Unit193 | openssl aes-256-cbc -in file.txt -out file.enc is one such call. |
| 08:59.29 | plop1342 | Unit193 which parameter is the key? |
| 08:59.54 | Unit193 | It'll ask for an encryption key. |
| 09:00.00 | Unit193 | Phrase* |
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| 09:03.22 | choice | Ok, production server seems to work well too after the apt upgrade. |
| 09:03.26 | choice | Thanks everybody! |
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| 09:04.04 | somiaj | choice: really very little to nothign should change using apt vs apt-get. |
| 09:04.14 | choice | Awesome, thanks. |
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| 09:09.10 | plop1342 | thanks Unit193 |
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| 09:14.57 | michal__ | hello, I have problem with filezilla, libreoffice. Both are rendering very slow, but only if goole-chrome is running |
| 09:15.04 | michal__ | on debian jessie |
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| 09:16.48 | ichi634 | maybe https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium can help |
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| 09:17.36 | somiaj | or why not just install chormium from debian's repo. |
| 09:17.53 | somiaj | michal__: do you have the same issue using debian's chromium intead of google-chrome? |
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| 09:18.27 | michal__ | i have chromium installed, but used to use chrome instead. will try chromium now |
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| 09:21.13 | michal__ | again slow, using chromium |
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| 09:21.43 | ichi634 | there are at least few chrome alternatives , i woudnt use chromium because is partly closed source and extensively privacy invading |
| 09:21.54 | ichi634 | chrome |
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| 09:23.02 | somiaj | ichi634: closed source? Can you point out specificlly what in the debian chromium package doesn't meet the DSFG? If so this is a policy bug. |
| 09:23.08 | michal__ | I'm using chrome as web developer, using their web developer tools, not only for browswing |
| 09:23.09 | somiaj | DFSG |
| 09:23.36 | ichi634 | sorry , i was refering chrome only ;) |
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| 09:23.46 | bitlan | hi |
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| 09:25.45 | bitlan | i tried run apache in chroot, but after mount proc, i can't start, systemctil fails |
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| 09:25.48 | bitlan | root@vm-lab:/mnt# chroot /mnt/debian/ |
| 09:25.51 | bitlan | root@vm-lab:/# systemctl start apache2 |
| 09:25.53 | bitlan | Running in chroot, ignoring request. |
| 09:25.58 | bitlan | any sugetsions ? |
| 09:26.24 | somiaj | bitlan: check systemctl status apache2 to see why it failed. Do you already have a webserver running on port 80 or https:// outside of the chroot? |
| 09:26.57 | bitlan | I all commands execute in chroot |
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| 09:27.08 | bitlan | systemctl status apache2 response the same text |
| 09:27.11 | bitlan | root@vm-lab:/# systemctl status apache2 |
| 09:27.11 | bitlan | Running in chroot, ignoring request. |
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| 09:27.43 | somiaj | ahh, I'm unsure why systemctl doens't want to run in a chroot. Lets ask google. |
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| 09:28.26 | somiaj | https://superuser.com/questions/688733/start-a-systemd-service-inside-chroot -- seems you need a bit more work with systemd in a chroot enviroment. |
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| 09:29.27 | ploc | I'm trying to add gnome-shell shorcuts using .desktop files, but shortcuts do not appear in applications list. Anyone has already done that? |
| 09:30.36 | somiaj | ploc: I think you have to add a tag of some sorts to the .desktop file to be detected as an application by the list, can't give more details than that though. |
| 09:30.49 | somiaj | ploc: maybe check one of the system .desktop files that apepar in the list and see what options they use. |
| 09:31.02 | bitlan | somiaj: thank's i will check this |
| 09:31.54 | somiaj | bitlan: The explination there that made sense to me was systemctl asks pid 1 (systemd) to do the work, which is outside the chroot. The top answer gives multiple solutions to deal with this. |
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| 09:37.57 | bitlan | somiaj: thanks, before systemd, chroot is easeier to run :) |
| 09:38.31 | somiaj | bitlan: there is actually a nicer solution than a chroot at that link I liked, but overall, it is different, once you realize how to deal with this difference, you'll be fine. |
| 09:38.39 | somiaj | change requires learning something new. |
| 09:39.12 | somiaj | (well an alternative to running a chroot for a container with systemd. |
| 09:40.04 | somiaj | haha, well this archwiki author sure likes it, systemd-nspawn is like the chroot command, but it is a chroot on steroids. |
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| 09:45.32 | ploc | somiaj: I already copied the .desktop file from another one |
| 09:45.48 | somiaj | ploc: where did you place the .desktop file? |
| 09:46.58 | ploc | somiaj: here: ~/.local/share/applications |
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| 09:49.00 | somiaj | ploc: unsure, everything sounds reasonable. |
| 09:49.35 | ploc | somiaj: thanks anyway |
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| 09:54.05 | Dungeon | hey buys? |
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| 09:55.37 | Dungeon | hey @teatime you around by chance still? |
| 09:56.38 | Dungeon | i renamed the directory to delme and its recreated in a folder where it was originally also. duplicates. so now i need to dig a bit more and yank a tooth |
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| 09:57.48 | teatime | Dungeon: I would encourage you to confirm it's actually something you set up, and not evidence that you've been owned. |
| 09:58.06 | Dungeon | my certs havent changed in ssh |
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| 09:58.55 | Dungeon | so if it was purged where is it hidden? |
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| 10:00.23 | teatime | "purge" refers to debian packages managed by apt. which does not include anything in /opt |
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| 10:00.45 | Dungeon | alright and how do we find and remove it? |
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| 10:01.39 | Dungeon | wish i was on my laptop i had most everything i did to that server bookmarked but im not and i need that to be gotten rid of |
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| 10:08.07 | tmm88 | hey guys |
| 10:08.12 | tmm88 | use this https://github.com/tmm2018/TMM_SHELL |
| 10:08.22 | tmm88 | i made it with a lot of passion and love for the community |
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| 10:17.14 | petn-randall | tmm88: Some words for improvement: Many of those scripts can be replaced by aliases. |
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| 10:18.56 | petn-randall | tmm88: Also, I don't think people will use things like installpwgen.sh to install pwgen, it's just easier to remember the apt command. |
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| 10:19.42 | petn-randall | tmm88: Also, this here is just plain dangerous: https://github.com/tmm2018/TMM_SHELL/blob/master/_scripts/_tmmScrp/debian/TOFF/uu.sh |
| 10:19.58 | petn-randall | tmm88: You don't want to and you shouldn't upgrade your complete system to backports. |
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| 10:22.04 | RoyK | petn-randall: looks more like spam if you ask me |
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| 10:22.17 | Dungeon | how do i find where this nginx is serving from and get rid of it? |
| 10:22.40 | RoyK | in the config? |
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| 10:23.01 | petn-randall | RoyK: Indeed, the more I look at it, the more it looks like spam ... those commit messages *cringe*. |
| 10:23.14 | teatime | petn-randall: I just assumed there was a rootkit in there somewhere. |
| 10:23.41 | RoyK | quite possible |
| 10:23.45 | teatime | Dungeon: BTW, I googled '/opt/ng99' to see if I could find your tutorial or whatever, and I beleive you have a rootkit as well. |
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| 10:33.18 | Dungeon | ill probably end up doing it |
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| 10:33.50 | Dungeon | however ive not seen anyone actually in the server and need to get it shut down |
| 10:34.19 | petn-randall | Dungeon: What do you mean with you've "not seen anyone actually in the server"? |
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| 10:35.44 | Dungeon | paying attention to who is logged in and following the last log hit and miss |
| 10:36.29 | petn-randall | Dungeon: To verify if it's a rootkit? I can 100% assure you that if it is, it won't announce its presence via wmtp. |
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| 10:37.22 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Did you install a nginx in /opt/ng99/? If not, from a quick google search this is indeed a rootkit mostly spread in hungary. |
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| 10:38.19 | RoyK | perhaps time for a reinstallation ;) |
| 10:38.32 | Dungeon | when i have time in the very near future |
| 10:38.46 | Dungeon | until then that has got to be pulled like a bad tooth |
| 10:38.51 | Dungeon | my certs havent changed |
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| 10:39.06 | RoyK | if you have a rootkit, that future should be around *now* |
| 10:39.18 | Dungeon | they would have changed in ssh if someone wouldve run a kit on it |
| 10:39.19 | RoyK | otherwise they'll steal your passwords and everything |
| 10:39.52 | RoyK | but hell - your choice |
| 10:40.40 | Dungeon | yes and itll be redone before long |
| 10:40.54 | Dungeon | however i got to stop that nginx from starting |
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| 10:41.12 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Errr, I think you don't understand how rootkits work. SSH keys don't change if you install a rootkit on a machine. |
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| 10:41.53 | petn-randall | Dungeon: I also completely agree with RoyK, if there's a rootkit, you need to take that machine offline *now* and boot from trusted media to get any data back. |
| 10:41.56 | Dungeon | no? |
| 10:42.11 | Dungeon | i thought running 1 would corrupt a security key |
| 10:42.28 | Dungeon | there is no taking it down now |
| 10:42.36 | Dungeon | it has been like this 2 months |
| 10:43.08 | teatime | you are not only doing yourself a disservice, but also your users. |
| 10:43.11 | Dungeon | 2-3 and ive been in bed for 40 days with a back infection so ive not been up much to do it |
| 10:43.25 | Dungeon | its just a game server on it |
| 10:43.39 | Dungeon | and yes if its something i didnt put up i know my src is at risk |
| 10:43.52 | Dungeon | i know i know i know |
| 10:43.52 | f-a | hello, my machine (a thinkpad x60) has two buttons to regulate volume. Is there a way to control them via software? |
| 10:44.02 | Dungeon | i got to stop the nginx from starting |
| 10:44.07 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Your call. If it's been rooted and is spreading malware, your ISP will take it down for you. |
| 10:44.16 | petn-randall | Dungeon: And might bill you for it. |
| 10:44.18 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 10:44.28 | f-a | I am running a script and want to "turn volume up", but just giving the command to alsamixer doesn't cut it, the "hardware" volume matters too |
| 10:44.38 | Dungeon | this isnt at my house |
| 10:45.09 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Sure, it's running in some datacentre. They'll still take it down for you if you don't fix the issue *now*. |
| 10:45.45 | petn-randall | Dungeon: You've been told how to fix it. We won't help you keeping up a malware-infested machine in any way. |
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| 10:47.29 | Dungeon | there is no proof my machines still been tampered with. the port theyre claiming is open is one that i had set to a database manager so my brother and a couple others could install cms web pages without me having to do it. however they didnt even have any pages on them well linked to any sql |
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| 10:48.15 | RoyK | Dungeon: really - if you have a rootkit, that's like what they may call a virus or a troyan - why would you leave it and do nothing? |
| 10:48.25 | Dungeon | the program holding the port is an nginx process and its popping up even though i tried purging it |
| 10:48.41 | Dungeon | so im looking for a way to shut down the nginx server |
| 10:48.54 | Dungeon | and cant seem to get anyone to help me locate it |
| 10:49.05 | RoyK | there's no reason there should be anything in /opt unless you've installed it manually |
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| 10:49.12 | teatime | we found it; you deleted it; it resurrected itself; that is incredibly suspicious. |
| 10:49.16 | RoyK | so just reinstall, please |
| 10:49.25 | Dungeon | when i redo my new lamp server you can bet ill have the stuff bookmarked on my workstation at home instead of a crummy laptop |
| 10:49.37 | teatime | I wish you luck. |
| 10:49.45 | Dungeon | i did install a bunch of manual shit when i did the lamp config |
| 10:50.00 | Dungeon | sever pages of tutorials i installed on it over 3-4 days |
| 10:50.06 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Then there's even less we can help you with, unfortunately. |
| 10:50.14 | Dungeon | and my free certs the day after that |
| 10:50.42 | Dungeon | oh? you cant tell me how to locate it and get rid of the nginx? |
| 10:50.42 | petn-randall | Dungeon: We don't know which tutorial you followed, and that wouldn't have been the recommended way if you had asked in here. |
| 10:51.48 | Dungeon | its not just 1 |
| 10:52.14 | petn-randall | Dungeon: So you say you deleted /opt/ng99? And it appeared again? |
| 10:52.21 | Dungeon | i just want to find and remove the njinx |
| 10:52.44 | Dungeon | i took and made a delme dir and moved the ng99 folder in there |
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| 10:53.05 | petn-randall | and then? |
| 10:53.13 | Dungeon | did it in midnight commander while i was looking at somethings |
| 10:53.23 | RoyK | hm - there was a command to check all files for checksums in debian, wasn't there? |
| 10:53.28 | Dungeon | and 4 hours later strangly it restarted |
| 10:53.35 | Dungeon | recreated that default dir |
| 10:53.47 | Dungeon | it only had like 2 -3 files in it |
| 10:53.49 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Then I'm 100% sure you got a rootkit, if nobody else did it. |
| 10:53.56 | Dungeon | that wasnt nginx directory |
| 10:54.06 | RoyK | sings along *lalala* and smiles to Dungeon |
| 10:54.10 | Dungeon | ok but that doesnt make a shit :/ |
| 10:54.26 | Dungeon | that doesnt shut down nginx right now without delay does it? |
| 10:54.29 | Dungeon | its almost 5am |
| 10:54.30 | RoyK | Dungeon: really - just reinstall |
| 10:54.33 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Can you paste the output of 'find /opt/ng99' to https://paste.debian.net? |
| 10:54.35 | Dungeon | AND ID LOVE SOME FN REST |
| 10:54.39 | teatime | RoyK: see the dpkg manpage, --verify option |
| 10:54.49 | petn-randall | RoyK: debsums also works. |
| 10:54.52 | Dungeon | paste the output? |
| 10:54.56 | RoyK | debsums, yes |
| 10:54.57 | teatime | RoyK: it isn't *all* files, though. |
| 10:54.58 | RoyK | thanks |
| 10:55.02 | Dungeon | you mean the files that are in it? |
| 10:55.10 | RoyK | teatime: only executables needed |
| 10:55.19 | RoyK | I have my own for checking it all |
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| 10:56.05 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Well, I mean run that command, and paste the output of it to that site. |
| 10:56.17 | Dungeon | i dont see any file except the pid.nginx |
| 10:56.22 | teatime | is there an easy way to revert a single configuration file to its original/default? or even better not revert in-place, for easy comparison. |
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| 10:56.55 | JustASlacker | ug |
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| 10:57.06 | JustASlacker | teatime: what file? |
| 10:57.15 | teatime | any, general question. |
| 10:57.15 | Dungeon | and a bunch of folders in a ng99/var/proxy dir |
| 10:57.44 | petn-randall | Dungeon: I specifically asked for the output, not for an interpretation. |
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| 10:58.41 | Dungeon | how to get the output? |
| 10:58.43 | BanHammor | hi! Debian 9 uses the "eth0"-like interface naming convention, right? |
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| 10:59.10 | teatime | BanHammor: no, by default it has moved to the 'persistent-names' style. |
| 10:59.50 | petn-randall | Dungeon: 1) Run 'find /opt/ng99' 2) Copy that output to https://paste.debian.net 3) Paste the link here. |
| 11:00.03 | teatime | BanHammor: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
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| 11:00.58 | teatime | s/persistent/predictable/ |
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| 11:01.56 | Dungeon | bummer deal |
| 11:02.06 | Dungeon | i had deleted it and killed the process |
| 11:02.13 | BanHammor | oh, so basically if i upgraded from jessie, it will continue using classic names. |
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| 11:02.16 | Dungeon | let me get you that of the delme dir |
| 11:03.01 | petn-randall | BanHammor: Correct. |
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| 11:03.29 | petn-randall | BanHammor: That's to ensure that your system doesn't break because all the firewall rules, etc. don't match anymore. |
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| 11:05.05 | BanHammor | hm, i still seem to have the old rules despite not having anything in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 11:06.05 | petn-randall | Dungeon: Btw, what OS release are you running? |
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| 11:06.48 | Collaken | hey, can anyone give me a hint why my cinnamon suddenly keeps crashing? |
| 11:07.12 | towo^work | Collaken, solar flares? |
| 11:07.23 | petn-randall | Collaken: What OS release is this? |
| 11:07.30 | Collaken | i did not do any (real) changes on my system ... now it keeps crashing, for example ALWAYS when i turn on the connected tv |
| 11:07.49 | Collaken | my os should be more or less up to date |
| 11:08.04 | Collaken | i guess theres a command to get the exact version? |
| 11:08.16 | Collaken | let me google that ^^ |
| 11:08.34 | petn-randall | Collaken: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' to https://paste.debian.net? |
| 11:08.53 | Collaken | 9.3 |
| 11:09.07 | Collaken | okay, one moment pls |
| 11:09.18 | Dungeon | whats the uname switches to get the version? |
| 11:09.23 | Dungeon | my brain isnt working |
| 11:09.26 | Dungeon | https://paste.debian.net/1009327/ |
| 11:09.57 | Dungeon | wait -a |
| 11:10.37 | Dungeon | Linux myhostname 4.14.12-x86_64-linode92 #1 SMP Fri Jan 5 15:34:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:10.48 | Dungeon | lol |
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| 11:11.34 | petn-randall | Dungeon: That's not the OS version, though. You can paste the output of 'apt-cache policy'. |
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| 11:13.53 | Collaken | i got the output in a file, but stucked in an cinnamon-crash-loop right now XD |
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| 11:14.07 | xuxx | hi |
| 11:14.12 | Collaken | its hard to do stuff when no window or something is responding XD |
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| 11:14.49 | xuxx | Do one of you guy know a little bit about c language ? |
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| 11:15.18 | Dungeon | https://paste.debian.net/1009328/ |
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| 11:15.57 | Dungeon | some but not much. trying to pick up on csharp currently because its what the majority of scripting is written in |
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| 11:16.30 | edgar | so, kidn of a dumb quesiton but is there an msbuild in the repositories? |
| 11:16.39 | xuxx | https://pastebin.com/raw/jLBhJC8S is this wrong ? |
| 11:16.46 | edgar | or a package that has msbuild? |
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| 11:17.27 | petn-randall | xuxx: You might want to ask in a C development channel, this one is for Debian support. |
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| 11:17.43 | petn-randall | xuxx: /join ##c |
| 11:17.55 | BanHammor | edgar, apt-file says no. |
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| 11:18.03 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1009329 |
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| 11:18.06 | Collaken | im back! |
| 11:18.15 | BanHammor | i'm not entirely sure how msbuild would work in linux either |
| 11:18.29 | Collaken | and there should be the output of apt-get policy |
| 11:18.48 | edgar | why didn't i just run apt search... there is a package called that under libmono |
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| 11:19.32 | petn-randall | Collaken: So what "unreal" changes did you do that might have caused the crashes? |
| 11:19.39 | Collaken | so apt-get policy gives recently used mirrors? |
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| 11:20.37 | Collaken | fyi, when i clicked on a button on this paste-website my cinnamon also crashed |
| 11:21.03 | Collaken | i have no idea why, im more or less a novice in linux usage and was so happy with my running system xD |
| 11:21.42 | towo^work | what graphics crad you have and what graphics drivers you use? |
| 11:21.56 | Collaken | nvidia gtx 970 |
| 11:22.13 | Collaken | and well, my drivers worked perfectly for 6 months ^^ |
| 11:22.32 | Collaken | i even reinstalled them yesterday as a try to solve my issues |
| 11:22.39 | towo^work | that was not my question |
| 11:22.50 | Collaken | true, sorry |
| 11:23.13 | Collaken | i try to figure out the exact name and version number, one moment pls |
| 11:23.17 | towo^work | and what exactly is crashing? only cinnamon or the whole x? |
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| 11:24.22 | Collaken | it says something like "cinnamon just crashed and is in fallback mode. do you want to restart cinnamon" |
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| 11:26.55 | Collaken | kernel driver in use: nvidia |
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| 11:27.19 | Dungeon | so did you see those 2 pastes i did from debian? |
| 11:27.24 | Dungeon | not trying to rush ya |
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| 11:32.08 | Collaken | | NVIDIA-SMI 375.82 Driver Version: 375.82 |
| 11:32.53 | towo^work | Collaken, pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia and your Xorg.0.log |
| 11:33.36 | Collaken | ok |
| 11:35.09 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1009331 |
| 11:35.37 | Collaken | this is the dpgk.... output, im looking for the xorg log now |
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| 11:37.27 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/1009332/ |
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| 11:52.30 | Collaken | petn-randall: i installed a programm called "Blender" |
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| 11:52.54 | Collaken | its an open source 3d render software |
| 11:53.31 | lapio | it's a nice piece of software |
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| 11:53.56 | lapio | the movie "hardcore henry" had special effects made with blender |
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| 12:14.59 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 12:17.27 | BanHammor | aft'noon |
| 12:17.30 | Collaken | hi BluesKaj, are you an expert on cinnamon crashes? |
| 12:17.43 | Collaken | im desperatly looking for help |
| 12:17.44 | Collaken | xD |
| 12:17.44 | BluesKaj | Collaken, nope |
| 12:17.57 | BanHammor | isn't there a cinnamon IRC? |
| 12:18.05 | Collaken | really? haha |
| 12:18.09 | Collaken | ill google that |
| 12:18.21 | BluesKaj | is a KDE/Pasma guy |
| 12:18.35 | BluesKaj | Plasma even |
| 12:18.53 | BanHammor | maybe a phasma guy too? :) |
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| 12:19.19 | Collaken | well. one single guy in cinnamon channel XD |
| 12:19.53 | BanHammor | what about the IRC they suggest in https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/wiki/Development? |
| 12:20.13 | BanHammor | if you got a crash dump they might just help |
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| 12:21.58 | Collaken | already tried to find that |
| 12:22.22 | Collaken | normally i get along in a few hours on my own and google :D |
| 12:22.29 | Collaken | but this time im ********** |
| 12:22.33 | Collaken | :D |
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| 12:26.32 | Collaken | okay ... just to be sure ive got these outputs of whatever: |
| 12:26.49 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/1009332/ |
| 12:26.49 | Collaken | xorg.0.log |
| 12:26.49 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1009331 |
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| 12:29.46 | Collaken | im back, everything crashed/freezed again ^^ |
| 12:30.21 | Collaken | so nobody has an idea what to do? so i have to fight my way trough the set up of a new os ^^ |
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| 12:34.21 | BanHammor | Collaken, well, Xorg.log doesn't show any errors |
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| 12:34.54 | Collaken | but cinnamon crashes EVERY time i turn on my second monitor, for example |
| 12:34.58 | Collaken | with random crashes |
| 12:35.04 | BanHammor | so this problem must be local to cinnamon. Maybe ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 12:35.13 | Collaken | i have a look |
| 12:35.45 | petn-randall | Collaken: What does "crash" exactly mean in this case? What happens? |
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| 12:36.01 | BanHammor | i also am bound by duty to let you consider switching to a DE that has an IRC channel at least :P |
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| 12:36.17 | Collaken | https://paste.debian.net/1009336/ |
| 12:36.55 | Collaken | petn-randall: it shows a message |
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| 12:37.04 | Collaken | cinnamon just crashed and is in fallback |
| 12:37.11 | Collaken | restart y / n |
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| 12:37.17 | Collaken | if restarted, sometimes it works |
| 12:37.21 | Collaken | sometimes crashloop |
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| 12:43.30 | DanteD | How can I list enabled services that have failed/exited? |
| 12:43.45 | petn-randall | DanteD: 'systemctl' |
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| 12:43.56 | bites | enable or restart? |
| 12:44.07 | bites | eh, i can't read. |
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| 12:44.14 | DanteD | petn-randall: Yeah, but can one only show those services? |
| 12:44.46 | DanteD | To quickly check if there are issues or to even mail the info to sysadmin |
| 12:45.08 | petn-randall | DanteD: Have a look at the man page, it has parameter to filter just those. |
| 12:45.33 | petn-randall | *a |
| 12:46.24 | Collaken | brb |
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| 12:48.07 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 12:48.07 | SanchoPensa | I am in some sort of next to worst case scenario, and I urgently require your assistance, please...: |
| 12:48.07 | SanchoPensa | https://paste.debian.net/1009338/ |
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| 12:50.47 | babilen | SanchoPensa: You shouldn't rely on sda/sdb/... but on filessytem UUIDs |
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| 12:51.38 | babilen | Maybe just edit your fstab and grub configuration to use UUIDs |
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| 12:53.00 | SanchoPensa | babilen: in fstab you mean? i do. |
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| 12:53.38 | SanchoPensa | or, do i?? |
| 12:53.40 | SanchoPensa | sec |
| 12:56.55 | DanteD | These man pages are so cryptic. 'systemctl if-failed *' prints 'inactive' four times while I'd like names of failed services |
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| 13:04.17 | cybrNaut | ,v i2p |
| 13:04.18 | judd | Package: i2p on amd64 -- buster: 0.9.32-2; sid: 0.9.32-2 |
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| 13:08.27 | SanchoPensa | babilen: even worse, i have it mixed... |
| 13:08.27 | SanchoPensa | is this the reason, why it doesn't work, or was that more, like a general statemen? |
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| 13:09.33 | Collaken | SanchoPensa: can you repost your fstab? |
| 13:10.06 | SanchoPensa | Collaken: no, sorry, I am on a different computer right now, that we are talking about... |
| 13:10.16 | SanchoPensa | than |
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| 13:10.37 | Collaken | ah ok, i made a fstab succesfully a few month ago ^^ sorry for that |
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| 13:11.25 | SanchoPensa | Collaken: no, no, it is me, who is sorry, I would like to pot that, but i'd have to hand-copy it, letter by letter... |
| 13:11.40 | Collaken | :-D |
| 13:11.53 | SanchoPensa | right? |
| 13:11.55 | babilen | SanchoPensa: It could very well be related to your problem which is why I mentioned it |
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| 13:12.35 | SanchoPensa | let me put it this way; it does absolutely make sense, what babilen says. not to see the wood from the trees, after so many hours... |
| 13:13.20 | SanchoPensa | babilen: yes, thank you for the hint, m8, i will gather those uuids, and swap the fstab entries. |
| 13:13.25 | SanchoPensa | will take a while. |
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| 13:14.35 | babilen | I mean once you have your devices (once again) correctly and uniquely identified it might "just work"⢠|
| 13:14.40 | babilen | If it doesn't you continue there |
| 13:14.47 | High_Priest | guys, I'm getting this warning for any apt repository I add: W: The repository 'https://deb.nodesource.com/node_9.x stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 13:15.19 | SanchoPensa | babilen: roger that! :) |
| 13:15.21 | High_Priest | I'm trying to install nodejs & npm |
| 13:15.34 | SanchoPensa | thanks so far! |
| 13:16.08 | babilen | SanchoPensa: Also remember to rebuilt your initramfs (update-initramfs -u) as it might have devices messed up |
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| 13:16.40 | earl_ | hi |
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| 13:18.46 | earl_ | Why can't I use "apt-get install" to download software all the time?it's always 0% |
| 13:19.05 | JustASlacker | uh? |
| 13:19.12 | JustASlacker | needs more information |
| 13:19.35 | SanchoPensa | babilen: it sure does... |
| 13:19.53 | earl_ | Software can not be downloaded from a software source. |
| 13:19.53 | alkisg | earl_: are you normally using a proxy? If yes, you need to tell apt to use it too |
| 13:19.58 | SanchoPensa | and I haven't even begun the ops upgrade... :D |
| 13:20.02 | babilen | I'd also suggest to always turn your hardware off when working on it ;) |
| 13:20.18 | earl_ | may be,wait a minute |
| 13:20.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell earl_ -about bat |
| 13:20.30 | babilen | earl_: Please paste to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:20.30 | SanchoPensa | chances are, after thqat, my graphics adapter won't work... or at least not without the frimware pack... |
| 13:20.55 | babilen | Firmware is packaged in Debian non-free |
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| 13:21.39 | alkisg | babilen: what does "bat" stand for? |
| 13:22.02 | SanchoPensa | babilen: yes thanks, i burnt that one to dvd just about an hour ago... |
| 13:22.10 | babilen | alkisg: "basic apt troubleshooting" |
| 13:22.13 | alkisg | ty :) |
| 13:23.01 | earl_ | Paste the finished |
| 13:23.22 | SanchoPensa | scares mi kinda, though.. you know, babilen, it is a quadcore computer with some 4 gig ram and some 4 terrabyte hdds in total. it may be 9 yrs old, but hey! i am on linux, that the hcek more do I need? :D |
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| 13:23.52 | SanchoPensa | it now I broke it... duuh... |
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| 13:24.16 | alkisg | earl_: now you're supposed to paste the URL here, is it this one? http://paste.debian.net/1009343 |
| 13:24.37 | High_Priest | anyone has any ideas how to overcome this issue and/or get npm installed on stretch? |
| 13:25.09 | earl_ | alkisg:yes |
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| 13:25.56 | JustASlacker | High_Priest: #Node.js ? |
| 13:26.17 | alkisg | earl_: mirrors.163.com doesn't sound like a proper debian mirror |
| 13:26.23 | High_Priest | thanks JustASlacker |
| 13:27.04 | alkisg | Use another mirror |
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| 13:27.13 | angelo | hi |
| 13:27.16 | angelo | please |
| 13:27.17 | babilen | deb.debian.org would be an option |
| 13:27.28 | angelo | I need help with gnome-screensaver |
| 13:27.39 | babilen | angelo: What kind of help? |
| 13:27.43 | earl_ | okay.let me try |
| 13:28.50 | angelo | sorry |
| 13:29.04 | angelo | I cannot setup it in the panel, no config |
| 13:29.29 | angelo | then power management works only when logged out from gnome |
| 13:30.19 | earl_ | alkisg: I commented it out, and then "sudo apt-get update", perfect solution, thank you very much. |
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| 13:31.56 | Collaken | SanchoPensa: you broke it? |
| 13:32.42 | Collaken | SanchoPensa: where is the problem? is it a bind mount or something? |
| 13:33.12 | Collaken | SanchoPensa: as a newbie i had to figure out how this worked with ntfs partitions. maybe theres a problem? |
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| 13:34.19 | SanchoPensa | Collaken: long story... to make it short, i was in the process of swapping a few hdds, when I accidentally broke it, yes. now the hdd order is a mess, but I think, babilen just pointed me in the right direction. |
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| 13:34.47 | Collaken | you have to adress your hdds by UUID i guess |
| 13:34.56 | SanchoPensa | Collaken: no, bro it's what fstab mounts, and what it acually should mount |
| 13:35.02 | SanchoPensa | hehehe |
| 13:35.12 | SanchoPensa | yes, i guess, you guessed right... |
| 13:35.29 | Collaken | wait, there was a command |
| 13:35.36 | Collaken | i guess blkid or something like that |
| 13:35.42 | Collaken | it shows you the UUIDs |
| 13:35.54 | SanchoPensa | nice one, thanks! :) |
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| 13:36.26 | Collaken | it is blkid |
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| 13:36.36 | SanchoPensa | (y<) |
| 13:36.42 | Collaken | but on my system you have to sudo |
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| 13:37.58 | Collaken | gl |
| 13:38.18 | SanchoPensa | luck has fortunately nothing to do with it... :) |
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| 13:42.28 | SanchoPensa | Collaken: do you happen to have the command for them labels too? |
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| 13:43.26 | babilen | SanchoPensa: "lsblk" should answer all your questions |
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| 13:43.59 | babilen | "lsblk -o name,mountpoint,label,uuid" in particular |
| 13:44.07 | babilen | (but check its manpage) |
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| 13:46.18 | dka | I have this error , how can i solve it : |
| 13:46.18 | dka | W: GPG error: https://apt.dockerproject.org debian-jessie InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F76221572C52609D |
| 13:47.14 | babilen | dka: Ask dockerproject.org people where they provide their apt keys and how to configure their repository |
| 13:47.16 | SanchoPensa | babilen: and once more thanks! |
| 13:48.02 | SanchoPensa | oh, and does anybody by any chance know, how to scroll up and down in the command history of the rescue shell? |
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| 13:48.52 | babilen | dka: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository has information on how to configure current docker repositories |
| 13:49.02 | sdk | SanchoPensa: shouldn't pageup/pagedown work? |
| 13:49.02 | babilen | https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/ |
| 13:49.09 | babilen | ^ Debian rather |
| 13:49.33 | babilen | https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/#install-using-the-repository in particular |
| 13:49.40 | SanchoPensa | sdk: hehe, i wish... produces ^[[A |
| 13:49.47 | tys101010_ | Günter? |
| 13:49.58 | SanchoPensa | Dörte? |
| 13:50.06 | tys101010_ | Dörte! |
| 13:50.12 | SanchoPensa | Günter! |
| 13:50.14 | tys101010_ | long time no see;) |
| 13:50.17 | babilen | Störtebeker! |
| 13:50.18 | petn-randall | o_O |
| 13:50.26 | SanchoPensa | :D |
| 13:50.27 | babilen | But please .. take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:50.32 | tys101010_ | sure |
| 13:50.38 | SanchoPensa | sorry! |
| 13:50.43 | petn-randall | Or get a channel you two! ;) |
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| 13:51.15 | babilen | #ganzalleinmitgunter |
| 13:52.14 | SanchoPensa | na kommta, oder wat? :D |
| 13:53.55 | petn-randall | SanchoPensa: You're not in #debian-offtopic yet .... |
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| 13:54.54 | SanchoPensa | petn-randall: i was in #alleinmitgunter, though.. |
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| 14:05.11 | valdez | hi. is there any way to make dkms echo compiler commands (like running 'make' would) when doing apt-get install <module>-dkms? |
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| 14:09.20 | Brigo | valdez, i usualy run dpkg-reconfigure dkms-package. |
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| 14:10.39 | Brigo | valdez, dkms autoinstall, is probably what you want, but check the man page for more. |
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| 14:24.17 | valdez | Brigo: dkms building is triggered automatically during bootstrapping a rootfs (using multistrap). and it takes quite a while to compile one module, so i figured i could look for a way to make it verbose. i don't run it manually |
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| 14:26.28 | c8bitglitch | Does anyone have expierence with Netflows and a collector? |
| 14:26.39 | c8bitglitch | I have a few questions. |
| 14:26.44 | petn-randall | c8bitglitch: Better ask your real question then. |
| 14:26.53 | ioudas^work | I do |
| 14:27.07 | c8bitglitch | petn-randall, so with Netflow would I be able to see Layer 7? |
| 14:27.14 | c8bitglitch | ioudas^work, ^ |
| 14:27.30 | c8bitglitch | I understand networking monitor from a OID is different from FLow based monitoring |
| 14:27.45 | c8bitglitch | however, I am looking for the capability for billing. |
| 14:27.55 | c8bitglitch | based on type of traffic source and DST Ip addresses |
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| 14:28.03 | c8bitglitch | without having to ue a PROXY |
| 14:28.10 | c8bitglitch | to get the internal IP address of the SRC |
| 14:28.46 | c8bitglitch | Already graphing bandwidth usage with Nagios. |
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| 14:33.11 | jelly | c8bitglitch: netflows in general do not collect data, only metadata, src and dst ip is layer 3 and you do get that info |
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| 14:34.11 | jelly | c8bitglitch: ask in ##networking if you haven't already |
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| 14:34.29 | c8bitglitch | jelly, I have not... very new to IRC... let me look in the networking channel |
| 14:34.32 | c8bitglitch | jelly, thank you |
| 14:34.42 | lastaid | my troubles have evolved. smsc95xx: unknown parameter 'macaddr' ignored apparently means that my network interface never comes up? |
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| 14:35.47 | petn-randall | lastaid: It would help if you add some context, I can't see any previous message from you in my backlog. |
| 14:35.50 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 14:35.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:37.20 | lastaid | petn-randall: i had trouble with raspbian and the serial interface. turns out its a kernel up specific to the raspberry pi kernel. now i booted into debian testing aarch64 and the serial bug is gone. but i cannot get the network interface working |
| 14:38.13 | petn-randall | lastaid: Why Debian testing and not stable? |
| 14:38.40 | lastaid | because i could not find a build for the raspberry pi aarch64 |
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| 14:56.52 | valdez | is there any debian metapackage that provides all the common networking utilities like ping, traceroute, tracepath, arp, etc? |
| 14:57.23 | valdez | i see a number of iputils-* and inetutils-*, but those are in fact separate packages |
| 14:57.44 | valdez | the goal is to pull a single thing to grab all the common networking tools |
| 14:59.53 | petn-randall | valdez: There isn't such a thing. It would probably also cause endless debates on what should go in there, and what shouldn't. |
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| 15:02.40 | jer0me | hey there, running up to date debian stable (bpo 4.14), I have these annoying console-kit error messages that I can't trace back to an application: Feb 8 16:02:03 marvin console-kit-daemon[1600]: console-kit-daemon[1600]: GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 2267 was not found when attempting to remove it |
| 15:02.58 | jer0me | Any idea how to diagnose the origin of the problem? |
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| 15:03.29 | valdez | petn-randall: gotcha |
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| 15:03.40 | jer0me | Actually, messages log file has "Feb 8 16:03:14 marvin udev-acl.ck[22985]: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed" |
| 15:03.49 | jer0me | at the same time |
| 15:05.48 | Iridos | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 15:05.48 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
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| 15:11.25 | jer0me | oh, I found the reason. it seems related to ssh connection. I had a program running that connects to localhost:22 every 10 seconds (dev environemnt) So I guess it was some kind of race bug. |
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| 15:17.34 | RedSoxFan07 | Anybody else having issues with Thunderbird? |
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| 15:18.09 | SwedeMike | !anyone | RedSoxFan07 |
| 15:18.35 | SwedeMike | RedSoxFan07: imagine someone said yes and ask the next question you intended to ask. |
| 15:18.59 | RedSoxFan07 | Ever since last night, I've been unable to send emails in Thunderbird |
| 15:19.04 | RedSoxFan07 | Is there a solution? |
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| 15:19.37 | SwedeMike | RedSoxFan07: probably. But without know more details it's impossible to tell. |
| 15:20.07 | RedSoxFan07 | I haven't made any changes between then and now. |
| 15:20.14 | RedSoxFan07 | Well, with one exception. |
| 15:20.53 | RedSoxFan07 | I went here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/cannot-send-messages |
| 15:20.58 | somiaj | could be something changed on your SMTP server you have configured thunderbird to use. |
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| 15:21.42 | RedSoxFan07 | The only email account I use in Thunderbird is my Gmail account. |
| 15:21.48 | RedSoxFan07 | I guess I'll have to check that out. |
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| 15:40.03 | lastaid | i fail to find a raspberry pi image for debian aarch64 stable ... could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 15:41.33 | spaceman | hey any ppl here? |
| 15:42.14 | petn-randall | spaceman: nearly 1,500, last time I checked. |
| 15:42.20 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 15:42.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:42.30 | spaceman | i need help installing wine32 on debian 9 |
| 15:42.36 | Tr4sK | Hi here |
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| 15:42.51 | slax0r | you still haven't asked |
| 15:42.51 | teatime | lastaid: https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi3 points to an "(unofficial, unsupported!) preview image" |
| 15:43.13 | Tr4sK | spaceman: sudo apt install wine:i386 |
| 15:43.15 | lastaid | teatime: this is the one i am using. |
| 15:43.53 | petn-randall | lastaid: I think teatime is inferring that you shouldn't expect it to work in any way. |
| 15:44.40 | spaceman | Tr4sK, wine:i386 has no installation candidate.. it refers me back to the original wine pkg |
| 15:44.53 | spaceman | says it's a virtual package |
| 15:45.17 | bites | !multiarch |
| 15:45.18 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 15:45.23 | bites | spaceman: ^ |
| 15:45.46 | spaceman | okay i'll look into it. |
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| 15:50.30 | spaceman | does anybody ever have such issues with wine and debian 9? |
| 15:50.43 | spaceman | i fear i've done something wrong hours ago.. |
| 15:51.14 | friend_to_pandas | Hello. I have a USB drive that on this computer, sometimes automounts, sometimes needs manual dev mount, and sometimes doesn't detect at all. Right now, lsusb sees the USB flash drive, but lsblk, ls /media/dev, and fdisk -l fail to see it. is there a way to mount it? |
| 15:51.57 | BCMM | it sounds a *lot* like the hardware itself is dodgy |
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| 15:52.42 | spaceman | so everytime i try to any different way to install wine32 i get a whack of Depends: ... but is not installable, is not going to be installed, etc.. How can i get areound this?? |
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| 15:55.33 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:55.33 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:55.44 | petn-randall | spaceman: Can you provide *all* of the abovce in a single paste? |
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| 16:02.34 | spaceman | wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 1.8.7-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:02.45 | spaceman | and then it leads into more recursions of dependency errors |
| 16:02.58 | spaceman | *errors=*requirements, whichever |
| 16:03.26 | petn-randall | spaceman: That's not what I asked for, though. |
| 16:03.53 | petn-randall | spaceman: Have you read the message from dpkg yet? |
| 16:03.54 | spaceman | without pasting all my info maybe you can lead me somewhere. i thought i knew of a tutorial online once that showed me perfectly how to install 32 bit wine on 64bit debian 9 |
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| 16:04.39 | spaceman | no offence i wuz just looking for a simpler lead |
| 16:04.47 | spaceman | i guess i'll have to read |
| 16:05.23 | metastable | spaceman: Or you could do what's being asked of you. |
| 16:05.44 | spaceman | k 1 min |
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| 16:08.21 | spaceman | http://paste.debian.net/1009371 |
| 16:08.41 | spaceman | any other ones? |
| 16:09.06 | Tr4sK | spaceman: have your tried apt install wine:i386 after adding i386 architecture? |
| 16:09.09 | petn-randall | spaceman: Cool, now read the message again and add the missing bits. |
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| 16:09.31 | petn-randall | spaceman: You skipped 1. and 3. of what we asked you about. |
| 16:09.42 | spaceman | Tr4sK, i've literally tried every command line. |
| 16:09.52 | Tr4sK | apt update? |
| 16:09.52 | apt | update is probably http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
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| 16:10.29 | Tr4sK | once the new architecture added, you have to refresh repos. |
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| 16:11.24 | Tr4sK | spaceman: a workaround is to go with playonlinux. You will be able to manage multiple wine version by prefix. |
| 16:11.48 | petn-randall | !playonlinux |
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| 16:12.24 | spaceman | http://paste.debian.net/1009372 |
| 16:12.50 | petn-randall | I don't know how playonlinux would help with a broken Debian installation. |
| 16:12.51 | spaceman | yes i'm using playonlinux. will a 64 bit wine application run 32 bit applications? |
| 16:13.41 | petn-randall | spaceman: And what about 3.? This is gonna take long if I have to ask for everything several times. |
| 16:13.57 | spaceman | believe it or not it is working, playonlinux, so far. i'm just mind-blown why i cannot, for HOURS, figure out around this dependencies stuff |
| 16:14.12 | spaceman | 3. ?? |
| 16:14.34 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 16:14.35 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:14.45 | petn-randall | spaceman: Read this very carefully. ^^^ |
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| 16:16.16 | Tr4sK | spaceman: in playonlinux, you can manage different wine version and architecture |
| 16:16.16 | spaceman | so my packages are whacked. gotcha |
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| 16:16.57 | spaceman | yes so far that is working. Tr4sK I have other problems in that aspect. i'm trying to install eve online with it, almost there *i*hope* |
| 16:16.59 | Tr4sK | Another question, how could I add omamqp1 output in rsyslog ? |
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| 16:17.22 | spaceman | im out, thnx for your help folks! |
| 16:17.38 | tw | still no apt-cache policy. |
| 16:17.40 | Tr4sK | spaceman: have a good way into space |
| 16:17.46 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 16:18.00 | petn-randall | I'm sure they'll be back in a few hours to go through the whole ordeal again. |
| 16:18.18 | Guest3533 | hi, its posible to install package without installing some required package? apt\aptitude |
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| 16:18.56 | petn-randall | Guest3533: *required* package? Why would you want that? That would install something but make it unusable. |
| 16:19.21 | petn-randall | Guest3533: Tell us about what you're trying to achieve. |
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| 16:27.50 | BCMM | Guest3533: there is certainly a way to make that happen, but the result will generally be that the package does not work |
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| 16:29.07 | Guest3533 | i dont want to broke some "critical" dependencies |
| 16:29.37 | metastable | Then why would you install a package without its dependencies? |
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| 16:29.53 | BCMM | Guest3533: if the dependency is not *really* required, but just enables some optional feature, it should be a "recommend", not a "depend" |
| 16:29.54 | Guest3533 | just some dont needed things |
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| 16:30.29 | BCMM | Guest3533: are you able to give a concrete example here? what's the name of the package you want to install, what's the name of the package you *don't* want to install, and what's the distro? |
| 16:30.32 | petn-randall | Guest3533: Again, what are you *exactly* trying to achieve? |
| 16:31.13 | Guest3533 | for example, i nstall mate but dont need cursors\wallpapers etc |
| 16:31.22 | Guest3533 | but this required |
| 16:31.43 | Guest3533 | i install* |
| 16:32.23 | BCMM | Guest3533: i'll answer on the assumption we're talking about debian: don't install mate-desktop-environment |
| 16:32.55 | BCMM | because mate-desktop-environment doesn't actually provide any programs - it's a "metapackage" which exists only to depend on other packages |
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| 16:33.06 | Guest3533 | i install *-core |
| 16:33.11 | Guest3533 | not full package |
| 16:33.16 | petn-randall | Guest3533: Try 'apt-get --no-install-recommends install <foo>' to avoid installing recommended packages. In your case however, you rather want to install mate-core instead and pick the things you need. |
| 16:33.26 | BCMM | Guest3533: mate-environment-core is a metapackage too |
| 16:33.31 | annadane | core does still have backgrounds |
| 16:33.35 | Guest3533 | sooo |
| 16:33.37 | annadane | so Guest3533 is correct |
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| 16:33.45 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Is there a way I can tell a preseed file to install a package from backports if available? |
| 16:35.01 | petn-randall | Guest3533: There's no way around it, that's how the maintainer set up the dependencies. |
| 16:35.05 | annadane | i guess probably you'd have to install it anyway and later manually remove it and apt-mark manual some of the packages (possibly, not sure how mate does it but you ought to just remove them) so a bunch of packages don't end up in apt autoremove |
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| 16:35.28 | Guest3533 | petn-randall, uh-oh :C |
| 16:35.42 | petn-randall | Guest3533: That isn't really a problem though, is it? |
| 16:35.48 | annadane | you can remove the backgrounds later, just be careful when you apt autoremove |
| 16:35.51 | somiaj | Guest3533: you could rebuild the packages, but to most, the extra space used to have the files on your disk isn't a big issue. |
| 16:36.08 | Guest3533 | . _. |
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| 16:36.54 | BCMM | just look at what core depends on and pick out what you actually want |
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| 16:37.26 | petn-randall | Guest3533: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies |
| 16:38.01 | petn-randall | Guest3533: My recommendation would not to care about 20 MB more, because in a year you'll be scratching your head why you don't have any wallpapers even though the package is installed. |
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| 16:38.59 | Pegasus_RPG | is thinking to add the backports repo to the preseed then use late_command string to install the chosen packages |
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| 16:39.34 | BCMM | woah, sorry about that. i asked about distros because i thought i was in ##linux |
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| 16:40.12 | Guest3533 | petn-randall, yeah, i understand this, but wtf... for example: in arch i can install any package without any required package |
| 16:40.19 | Guest3533 | so, thats why i ask |
| 16:40.58 | Guest3533 | 20mb of not used space |
| 16:41.15 | BCMM | Guest3533: the *entire point* of a metapackage is to bring in other packages |
| 16:41.26 | BCMM | if you don't want it to bring in those packages, don't install it |
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| 16:41.51 | tw | mate-core points to a metapackage, it doesn't have any files of its own. You can install the included packages without deps if you want, but manual dependency management is tedious. |
| 16:41.55 | annadane | BCMM, except if you want MATE with the minimal install even core has those packages |
| 16:42.18 | BCMM | annadane: i keep telling you, mate-desktop-environment-core is a metapackage |
| 16:42.52 | Guest3533 | BCMM, you meen look at deps and install only depname depname2... ? |
| 16:42.56 | annadane | oh, i suppose you could install just the window manager, i don't remember which one mate uses, one second |
| 16:43.02 | petn-randall | Guest3533: Yes, you could do that. |
| 16:43.06 | Guest3533 | oh |
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| 16:43.17 | BCMM | annadane: marco |
| 16:43.17 | petn-randall | Guest3533: You might save 20 MB, but you'll spend 30 mins of your life on it. |
| 16:43.27 | BCMM | apt install marco caja mate-panel would be a good start |
| 16:43.37 | Guest3533 | petn-randall, dont tell me how waste my time! :C |
| 16:43.46 | annadane | yes, so do that |
| 16:43.51 | annadane | what BCMM suggested |
| 16:44.04 | annadane | sorry |
| 16:44.13 | BCMM | i mean that's just from looking at https://packages.debian.org/sid/mate-desktop-environment-core and consider which bits actually matter |
| 16:44.25 | Guest3533 | oh, thx guys |
| 16:44.26 | BCMM | you'd probably want mate-control-center too |
| 16:44.34 | Guest3533 | have a nice day! |
| 16:44.35 | Guest3533 | :3 |
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| 16:44.53 | aslmx | hey there... a couple of weeks ago i installed two virtual machines from the exact same Debian-Stretch CD image. I installed one to be used headless and the otherone with Xfce Desktop Environment. That is about the only big difference. Now the Headless VM cant "apt-get update" because it can't connect to the FTP Server that holds the Repo. The apt/sources.list is identical. both Machines run on the same Physical mac |
| 16:44.53 | aslmx | hine. What can i do? |
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| 16:45.38 | somiaj | Though I don't see a direct connection between mate-desktop-enviroment-core and make-backgrounds. You may want to track down exactly which package depends on it and why if you want to undrestand how it gets pulled in. |
| 16:45.41 | BCMM | aslmx: are the networks configured the same way? do they both have a working internet connection? |
| 16:45.56 | arauka | do a ping |
| 16:46.06 | somiaj | oh nevermind, I'm blind...... |
| 16:46.18 | aslmx | yes. Both can ping Google just fine.. (first thing i checked ;)) ... the broken one says: Err:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch Release Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) |
| 16:46.35 | aslmx | yes. Both can ping Google just fine.. (first thing i checked ;)) ... the broken one says: Err:3 http:// ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch Release Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) |
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| 16:46.45 | BCMM | aslmx: are the network set up the same on both machines? |
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| 16:46.56 | neoclust | hello |
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| 16:47.14 | aslmx | what do you mean by "the same"? they have different IPs in the same subnet... both can ping each other and both can ping google (and resolve its hostname) |
| 16:47.21 | BCMM | aslmx: noting that i mean both the settings in Debian, and whatever system you use to provide networking to the VM |
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| 16:48.30 | petn-randall | aslmx: BCMM means e.g. is one of them using NAT, and the other a bridged network? |
| 16:48.41 | aslmx | okay, there is one difference... The broken one has "rtl8139" as a network interface (Host device vnet0, bridge) and the otherone (working) has device model: virtio |
| 16:49.02 | aslmx | both use Host device "vnet0" and Brdige0 |
| 16:49.10 | aslmx | let me check the other 3 vms |
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| 16:49.44 | aslmx | okay, 3rd one has also VirtIO device. Vnet0 (bridge br0) |
| 16:49.52 | petn-randall | aslmx: If you run 'wget -O - http://wwww.debian.org' on the broken one, what happens? |
| 16:50.13 | BCMM | unable to resolve host address âwwww.debian.orgâ |
| 16:50.24 | BCMM | world wide whatever web |
| 16:50.27 | petn-randall | ... |
| 16:50.34 | petn-randall | remove the extra w |
| 16:50.34 | aslmx | ;) |
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| 16:50.38 | petn-randall | :P |
| 16:50.38 | aslmx | yeah i've seen that |
| 16:50.39 | aslmx | 018-02-08 17:50:26 (418 KB/s) - written to stdout [14952/14952] |
| 16:50.41 | aslmx | so that one works |
| 16:50.51 | arauka | resolv.conf? |
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| 16:51.21 | petn-randall | aslmx: Is it literally "Err:3 http:// ftp.de.debian.org/debian ..."? Because there's a typo in your sources.list then. |
| 16:51.28 | aslmx | both have the same resolv.conf pointing to an extra server running dnsmasq |
| 16:51.42 | arauka | ok, but change it to 8.8.8.8 |
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| 16:51.55 | aslmx | no it is not litterally, i had put an extra space there because i had the feeling the message would not go through |
| 16:51.57 | teatime | arauka: no. |
| 16:52.05 | petn-randall | arauka: What would that help? We already established that DNS works. |
| 16:52.08 | aslmx | so, the space between http:// and the hostname is not existing |
| 16:52.15 | petn-randall | Ok, I see. |
| 16:52.16 | aslmx | yea, my dns works i guess.. |
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| 16:52.30 | arauka | ok i see |
| 16:53.11 | teatime | aslmx: can you ping 141.76.2.4 ? |
| 16:53.33 | aslmx | no i can't funnily |
| 16:53.37 | aslmx | i had seen it but forgot to mention |
| 16:53.43 | tw | can you ip ro show to match 141.76.2.4 ? |
| 16:54.25 | aslmx | whait |
| 16:54.27 | aslmx | wait |
| 16:54.35 | aslmx | i can ping google.de - but i can't ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:54.50 | aslmx | ähm |
| 16:54.59 | arauka | that's crazy |
| 16:55.00 | aslmx | ip route on the broken one misses "default. .." |
| 16:55.00 | BCMM | congratulations, your problem is actually kinda interesting |
| 16:55.05 | arauka | (: |
| 16:55.11 | aslmx | sebastian @ redpanda[~]:ip route |
| 16:55.11 | aslmx | default via 192.168.2.1 dev ens3 |
| 16:55.11 | aslmx | 192.168.2.0/24 dev ens3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.47 |
| 16:55.14 | aslmx | that is the working one |
| 16:55.18 | tw | there you go. |
| 16:55.20 | BCMM | wait, if there's no default route, why does it sometimes work? |
| 16:55.21 | aslmx | root@polarbear:/home/sebastian# ip route |
| 16:55.21 | aslmx | 192.168.2.0/24 dev ens3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.42 |
| 16:55.27 | aslmx | that is the broken one |
| 16:55.35 | aslmx | yeah i have no clue that sounds odd |
| 16:55.45 | BCMM | aslmx: how do you manage that interface? networkmanager? /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:56.04 | aslmx | well... good question... i had left that pretty much default |
| 16:56.13 | arauka | i use a systemd service for that |
| 16:56.15 | petn-randall | aslmx++ on the naming scheme ;) |
| 16:56.43 | petn-randall | arauka: what? |
| 16:56.46 | BCMM | aslmx: so i presume it gets config from dhcp somehow? |
| 16:56.54 | aslmx | (yeah there is panda, polarbear, quokka, penguin, redpanda) |
| 16:57.13 | BCMM | quokkas are probably the all-round cutest animal |
| 16:57.13 | aslmx | BCMM: ... i just seethat on the broken one i seem to have changed the config manually |
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| 16:57.23 | aslmx | but to be honest , and shame on me, i had totally forgotten |
| 16:57.42 | BCMM | i still don't understand why some address were routing correctly |
| 16:57.42 | aslmx | how could that ever work |
| 16:57.46 | petn-randall | aslmx: I remember libvirtd had a problem with certain virtual NICs because they didn't calculate the checksums correctly and the data got thrown away. |
| 16:57.46 | aslmx | gateway 192.168.2.42 |
| 16:57.47 | aslmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.15 | BCMM | wait, where did you get that from? |
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| 16:58.24 | aslmx | its in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:58.27 | BCMM | huh |
| 16:58.33 | aslmx | but why the f*** was that ever workign partially... |
| 16:58.35 | BCMM | but that didn't make it in to ip route |
| 16:58.47 | aslmx | i'll change it to 192.168.2.1 and see what happens |
| 16:58.51 | tw | he could have some policyroutes set up. |
| 16:58.58 | tw | those only show up if you specify the table. |
| 16:59.09 | teatime | or ipv6? |
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| 16:59.37 | aslmx | hmm stupid question ... i had never learned what is the replacement for ifconfigà |
| 16:59.55 | aslmx | ip addr show - but how do i list interfaces? ;) |
| 16:59.55 | teatime | aslmx: ip from the iproute2 package |
| 17:00.04 | BCMM | teatime: i think you've got the answer |
| 17:00.20 | teatime | BCMM: I've been thinking it for a while but didn't want to say something stupid. |
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| 17:00.35 | BCMM | teatime: i feel stupid for *not* thinking it |
| 17:00.46 | teatime | aslmx: ip link show , technically, but usually ip addr suffices |
| 17:00.55 | BCMM | aslmx: when you successfully pinged google.de, what IP address came up? |
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| 17:01.07 | petn-randall | hehehe |
| 17:01.09 | BCMM | teatime: oh no wait, ping is ipv4 only isn't it? |
| 17:01.18 | aslmx | PING google.de(fra15s10-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:4001:811::2003) |
| 17:01.20 | BCMM | don't you need to use ping6 to get ipv6 pinging? |
| 17:01.25 | BCMM | well i stand corrected |
| 17:01.25 | elc79 | Hi guys! |
| 17:01.32 | BCMM | and teatime had the right answer |
| 17:01.33 | teatime | BCMM: it depends |
| 17:01.33 | aslmx | maybe that is the reason... it works on ipv6? |
| 17:01.39 | teatime | I don't know how it is in debian stable |
| 17:01.50 | BCMM | aslmx: yeah, all the ip addresses you tried were ipv4 addresses |
| 17:01.51 | elc79 | when i try to load an hd video in youtube the image freezes, how can i fix this? |
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| 17:02.04 | BCMM | aslmx: but *some* of the hostnames you tried resolved to ipv6 addresses |
| 17:02.23 | aslmx | yeah... and the local ipv4 i use seem not to require a proper gateway to reach |
| 17:02.44 | BCMM | fwiw, on Sid ping4 and ping6 are symlinks to ping |
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| 17:03.00 | BCMM | so i guess it does both, but you can explicitly restrict it to one or the other |
| 17:03.08 | teatime | they did used to be separate |
| 17:03.19 | tw | It's a symlink on stable as well. |
| 17:03.27 | BCMM | aslmx: you don't need a gateway if you're on the same network |
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| 17:03.49 | aslmx | yeah makes sense |
| 17:04.06 | BCMM | e.g. on a typical home LAN, if you forget to set a gateway you will be able to ping everything on the lan but nothing on the internet |
| 17:04.39 | arauka | the switch do the magic |
| 17:04.44 | BCMM | would've jumped straight to no gateway if i wasn't thrown off by some internet hosts working |
| 17:04.58 | BCMM | (in my defence, i've never had an ISP with working ipv6) |
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| 17:05.16 | aslmx | YAY |
| 17:05.28 | aslmx | rebooted it with proper gateway set - now it can "apt-get update" |
| 17:05.33 | aslmx | thanks for helping me to debug this |
| 17:05.36 | teatime | there were a number of hints... germany, + I figured google.de and www.debian.org would have AAAA records |
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| 17:05.57 | aslmx | i would never have thought that |
| 17:06.02 | BCMM | teatime: is germany ahead on ipv6 deployment then? |
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| 17:06.52 | BCMM | oh right, leading the world nearly https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption |
| 17:08.46 | elc79 | when i try to load an hd video in youtube the image freezes, how can i fix this? |
| 17:09.21 | annadane | elc79, not really a debian question |
| 17:09.24 | BCMM | elc79: what graphics hardware and driver have you got? |
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| 17:09.39 | annadane | but okay, i guess it can be addressed anyway |
| 17:09.49 | BCMM | elc79: and can you play back video smoothly in other applications? |
| 17:09.56 | BCMM | (e.g. vlc) |
| 17:10.37 | elc79 | BCMM: Intel graphics, and yes, when i download the video with youtube-dl i can see it smoothly in vlc |
| 17:10.52 | BCMM | elc79: hmm. what browser, and do you have issue with video on other sites? |
| 17:11.16 | elc79 | BCMM: Firefox |
| 17:11.23 | elc79 | i can check on vimeo |
| 17:11.41 | BCMM | elc79: oh and have you checked it's not just buffering? how fast is your internet? |
| 17:12.00 | BCMM | (asking because one difference with using youtube-dl is that you typically download the whole thing before you play it) |
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| 17:12.42 | BCMM | elc79: oh and which version of firefox/debian are you on? |
| 17:12.56 | elc79 | BCMM: it's very fast, this problem does not happens with Manjaro |
| 17:13.19 | elc79 | Debian 9 and i think is the last version available of Firefox |
| 17:13.53 | elc79 | the problem is in vimeo too |
| 17:13.56 | petn-randall | elc79: If it's Debian 9, that would be Firefox ESR (not the latest version). |
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| 17:14.14 | elc79 | petn-randall: you are right |
| 17:14.26 | BCMM | i was kinda hoping he would say testing so i could suggest a newer firefox... |
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| 17:14.55 | towo` | btw, intel graphics is saying zero |
| 17:14.59 | petn-randall | elc79: Do you have Adobe Flash installed? |
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| 17:15.04 | towo` | there are tons of chipsets around |
| 17:15.28 | elc79 | Nope |
| 17:15.46 | elc79 | only main repo it's enabled |
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| 17:16.26 | petn-randall | elc79: You could try incognito mode, or a fresh profile. |
| 17:16.26 | towo` | elc79, again, which intel graphics exact? |
| 17:16.49 | elc79 | towo: i965 |
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| 17:17.37 | BCMM | elc79: try firefox -safe-mode, in case it is just a misconfiguration in fx |
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| 17:20.49 | jorb | so i'm trying to set up PCI (VGA) passthrough to a libvirt QEMU+KVM node |
| 17:21.08 | jorb | the box i have does not have integrated graphics either to the MOBO or CPU |
| 17:21.34 | elc79 | BCMM: no way, the image freezes |
| 17:21.35 | jorb | so the kernel appears to automatically be grabbing part of the GPU via the efifb kernel |
| 17:22.07 | elc79 | but this does not happen in Manjaro |
| 17:22.16 | jorb | i need to make the kernel not do that, but have yet to find any suggestions, any advice? (don't make me compile one plz :( :() |
| 17:22.25 | tw | jorb: are you specifying vfio-pci as the driver for that pci id? |
| 17:22.33 | jorb | tw: yes |
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| 17:23.33 | tw | is it actually getting picked up before your graphics adapter driver? you can check with lspci -v |
| 17:23.34 | jorb | early in the bootup efifb grabs it too |
| 17:24.51 | tw | try video=efifb:off on the commandline |
| 17:25.00 | tw | kernel commandline |
| 17:25.33 | jorb | "Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci" shows up there (annoyingly so does this "Kernel modules: nouveau" even though it is blacklisted) |
| 17:25.45 | jorb | i'll try that,thx |
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| 17:26.50 | tw | notably, if it's a PCI device, it's very unlikely to handle VM reboots well. |
| 17:27.09 | tw | it has to be a fairly recent EFI enabled GPU to handle passthrough correctly. |
| 17:27.24 | tw | Otherwise you get one VM boot per HW boot. |
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| 17:36.08 | elc79 | BCMM: seems to be an Firefox issue, in Chromium the videos run smoothly |
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| 17:45.54 | jorb | tw: glorious! thx |
| 17:46.10 | jorb | thank you for not making me switch to Gentoo! |
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| 17:47.34 | tw | You'd like have the same problem in the default kernel config. efifb is usually built in as a legacy fallback mode. |
| 17:47.47 | tw | glad it works |
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| 17:48.34 | jorb | hands tw 1000 internet points |
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| 17:51.25 | jorb | just cause i think i've spent the last week trying to get vfio-pci to work |
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| 18:00.19 | tw | There's some interesting stuff you can do with vfio-mdev instead of vfio-pci, but I've never had it work for me; probably needs an actual GRID board instead of a consumer one. All kinds of interesting vgpu stuff expected to pop up this year. |
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| 18:11.41 | jorb | well hopefully the GPU price gouging goes back down, fkn cryptocurrencies |
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| 18:12.38 | jorb | bought a GTX 1050 in Nov for $160, it was up to $220 last i checked |
| 18:15.20 | jorb | haven't heard of vfio-mdev checkin it out now |
| 18:16.37 | jorb | no mention of it on vfio.blogspot.com, Alex Williamson must not have a hand in it |
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| 18:17.17 | jorb | or w/e he hasn't posted on their since 2016 lol |
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| 18:30.27 | thenewone | Hi guys |
| 18:30.33 | thenewone | i have a small problem i think |
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| 18:31.07 | thenewone | i removed the debian partition from windows now i can't boot to windows because of grub can't detect it how can i fix it and thanks |
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| 18:33.45 | BanHammor | debian partition from windows? what |
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| 18:34.17 | thenewone | i will explain |
| 18:34.17 | alkisg | He needs to reinstall the windows MBR |
| 18:34.27 | thenewone | BanHammor, i did install windows7 + debian 9 |
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| 18:34.36 | thenewone | BanHammor, i removed debia 9 from windows 7 |
| 18:34.42 | thenewone | BanHammor, i forget grub |
| 18:34.56 | thenewone | BanHammor, now how can i configure grub to detect windows7 partition and thanks |
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| 18:35.55 | BanHammor | okay so basically you can't repair grub any more, it's pretty much dead. You -CAN- remake the windows MBR via Windows' installation CD |
| 18:36.17 | thenewone | BanHammor, so there is no other options only with windows CD |
| 18:36.20 | thenewone | hmm |
| 18:36.28 | alkisg | Or with debian cd |
| 18:37.57 | thenewone | thanks alot |
| 18:38.02 | thenewone | wish one is ez |
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| 18:38.52 | BanHammor | https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/ is a thing and it's dirt easy |
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| 18:50.39 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 18:57.19 | mntmn | hi, i pinpointed the exact location/reason of a ssl-related crash of debian's chromium 62 on armhf, how/where do i best report this? |
| 18:57.28 | mntmn | using the normal bug reporter thingie? |
| 18:57.45 | greycat | yes |
| 18:57.51 | mntmn | ok, thx |
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| 19:16.57 | Sia- | hi |
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| 19:37.29 | snarfy | anyone know where I can find out more about packaging of julia? I've tried chatting in the #julia channel, but my messages are getting blocked? |
| 19:38.38 | bites | ,v julia |
| 19:38.39 | judd | Package: julia on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.2-2; stretch: 0.4.7-6+b3; sid: 0.4.7-7+b3 |
| 19:38.50 | bites | snarfy: what exactly are you trying to find out? |
| 19:39.12 | hypn0 | this https://packages.debian.org/stretch/julia |
| 19:40.23 | snarfy | bites: have been working on projects in julia to learn, but am starting to outgrow the version I have from debian stable. Am looking to find out what my options are, and what the future holds for julia packaging. |
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| 19:41.02 | greycat | Is there a newer upstream release, or something? |
| 19:41.48 | snarfy | greycat: if you're talking to me, yes, there's a 0.6 version that seems to be current version in dev. |
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| 19:42.21 | greycat | Well, then. Since judd just showed us that sid still has essentially the same version as stable, your choices are "keep with the stable version" or "use upstream's version in /usr/local or /opt" |
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| 19:43.55 | snarfy | greycat: ok, that was an option I was considering. I'm not always sure what the impact of installing outside the packaging system is, though. |
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| 19:44.18 | greycat | The impact is you have less unused disk space. |
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| 19:45.51 | snarfy | greycat: My concern was that I might hork a system that is intended to be stable. If I do an independent install, do I have to worry about contention between debian packages and local third-party packages? |
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| 19:46.50 | greycat | Whatever you do in /usr/local and /opt has no effect on Debian's packages. The only way it can screw anything up is if you run it and it's broken and screws something up in your $HOME dir. |
| 19:48.14 | snarfy | greycat: good to know. I don't expect that behavior, and I have lots of good backups of the most important stuff from home, so I'm willing to give it a try. |
| 19:48.19 | bites | snarfy: instructions look very easy. https://julialang.org/downloads/platform.html#generic-linux-binaries |
| 19:48.37 | bites | snarfy: just unpack it somewhere and create the symlink like described in there. |
| 19:49.21 | snarfy | bites: yeah, I'm reasonably comfortable with manual installs, but I usually only have done them when there's no risk to my personal data. |
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| 19:51.50 | snarfy | It would be nice to know if Debian was planning on updating the package in the near future, though. It's in development, so I can understand it might be in flux, but if I knew that an update from the maintainers was in the works, I'd wait it out. |
| 19:52.11 | greycat | You can see if there has been a wishlist bug report filed against the julia package for the new upstream. |
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| 19:52.29 | greycat | Or you can file such a bug report yourself, if it's not there. |
| 19:52.36 | bites | there is also the julia packaging mailing list you might refer to. |
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| 19:53.07 | bites | https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-julia-devel |
| 19:53.18 | snarfy | Thanks, those are good options, but I kinda hate email. Is there a way to file a wishlist without using email? |
| 19:53.25 | hypn0 | snarfy: is there a risk to my personal data. |
| 19:53.58 | hypn0 | isn't it the same as installing it :-/ |
| 19:54.42 | snarfy | hypn0: ? not sure, that's why I'm asking |
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| 19:56.50 | hypn0 | I mean isn't it static package, what's the difference :-/ |
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| 19:57.57 | snarfy | hypn0: I don't really have much insight into packaging, but I understand that installs can be sensitive. |
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| 20:01.21 | hypn0 | what about aaimages, are they fine to use too |
| 20:01.34 | hypn0 | about appimages* |
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| 20:02.47 | hypn0 | https://appimage.org/ |
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| 20:18.40 | snarfy | ok, so I've got the current version installed, but I'm not happy with my immediate solution. I unpacked the tarball inside my /usr/local/bin directory, but I really only want the binary in that path. Where do local installs usually go? |
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| 20:19.47 | greycat | if it's a "tarball" and the "tarball" contains more than one file, then you probably sbould have unpacked it in a subdirectory of /opt instead of inside /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 20:20.28 | greycat | this is *especially* true if the "tarball" contains its own bin/ subdirectory. |
| 20:20.32 | bites | and then put a symlink to the binary in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 20:20.47 | snarfy | Ok. I should be able to move it there without much trouble. Yeah, it does have it's own bin dir. |
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| 20:21.11 | greycat | Then you make symlinks from /usr/local/bin/julia to /opt/julia-x.y/bin/julia or whatever. |
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| 20:21.44 | snarfy | yeah, I already did the symlink for the way I had it, but I didn't want all that extra junk on my path. |
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| 20:22.14 | greycat | Making symlinks in /usr/local/bin/ means you don't *have* to add /opt/julia-whatever/bin to your $PATH. |
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| 20:23.24 | snarfy | No, I didn't add it to a path variable, but all those other files would have now been searched, since they were now in /usr/local/bin |
| 20:23.39 | greycat | Yeah, they shouldn't be there. |
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| 20:24.13 | snarfy | right, just didn't know what best practice was for the local tarballs. /opt makes sense to me. |
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| 20:26.29 | snarfy | cool. It's up and running. |
| 20:27.01 | snarfy | Oh, but that leads me to another question with regard to packaging... |
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| 20:29.19 | snarfy | Is there a defined interaction between debian packaging and other system's packaging behavior? For example, I notice that Mozilla allows add-ons, but sometimes these are packaged separately in debian. Likewise, julia seems to have its own internal packaging system based on git. I think I may end up with two copies of ImageMagick, for example, because debian installs one, and julia installs its own (or so it seems). |
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| 20:30.19 | greycat | I don't know a single thing about julia. It could do what you describe. |
| 20:30.47 | greycat | Or, it could see the OS's imagemagick and decide not to install its own. |
| 20:31.24 | snarfy | It seemed to be installing its own today, so I checked, and I already had the package installed. |
| 20:31.46 | BanHammor | generally saying, packages installing bundled libraries should do so ANYWHERE BUT /usr/lib/ |
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| 20:33.19 | snarfy | I guess I'm just confused about what the scope of debian packaging is intended to be. I would prefer to rely on debian packages when possible. |
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| 20:34.02 | BanHammor | i'm not sure that is a question one can answer |
| 20:34.33 | snarfy | I guess I would have thought there was a policy or mission statement that defined scope. |
| 20:34.39 | greycat | The upstream version isn't packaged in Debian yet. That's all we can say. For more details, ask the julia-packaging mailing list. |
| 20:35.17 | snarfy | greycat: noted. I'm shifted topic somewhat. ;) |
| 20:35.17 | BanHammor | "package popular things, don't break DFSG". |
| 20:36.38 | BanHammor | preferably make it so the user can't delete things installed via the package manager without the package manager |
| 20:36.58 | greycat | That's not possible. |
| 20:37.01 | teatime | snarfy: imo, you're asking a general question (applies to perl, python, etc.), to which the answer is usually "it's tricky". Debian packages some modules etc. that are dependencies of software in Debian. |
| 20:37.33 | BanHammor | greycat, iirc Python modules installed via deb get their setup.py erased |
| 20:37.53 | BanHammor | precisely so the user can't run pip remove |
| 20:37.53 | snarfy | teatime: so maybe the rule of thumb is, "whatever is required to make debian work"? |
| 20:38.02 | greycat | The user can still run rm. |
| 20:38.47 | teatime | snarfy: I beleive that's often what it comes down to. |
| 20:38.48 | BanHammor | sure, but by then they are determined to screw things up |
| 20:39.27 | somiaj | snarfy: required sure does get more reason to do it, but a lot depends on the matainers who volunteer their time to package software. There are lots of advantages to only having software in the form of well tested debian packages, so people end up volunteering their time to package things they use a lot. |
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| 20:44.31 | snarfy | yeah, debian is an amazing system. I'd kind of like to help, myself, but every time I read the documentation, I feel like I'm starting in the middle somewhere. |
| 20:44.41 | bites | debian has pretty hight quality demands. it's not that easy getting a package approved like it is with some other distros. |
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| 20:45.04 | Harm133 | Hey guys. What the go-to package to setup an iSCSI target :)? |
| 20:45.11 | Harm133 | Want to try it out for a bit |
| 20:45.24 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI |
| 20:46.09 | somiaj | bites: the sponsors are really helpful, but a matainer does have to be willing to fix all the lintian errors their packges produce. |
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| 20:48.08 | Harm133 | greycat, I´m working with stretch, the docs are outdated for those. But I´ll give LIO a whirl |
| 20:49.10 | snarfy | ok, off to play with Julia for a bit. Thanks for the help! |
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| 20:53.46 | bites | somiaj: i tried to get something packaged once but it failed due to upstream not being active. i ended up hosting the package on a private repo. which is fair i think. |
| 20:54.37 | somiaj | bites: In that case I can see one needing to be known by the debian developers, because matainging a package with a dead upstream, turns you into upstream. |
| 20:55.17 | somiaj | so yea, I can see sponsors being more cautions on such things, as a lot more rides on the matainer than a project with a more active upstream. |
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| 20:57.07 | bites | yeah ^^ |
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| 21:08.04 | antoszka | Guys, is it possible to manually walk through a standard installer and save the selections to a preseed file? |
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| 21:13.34 | teatime | antoszka: essentially, yes. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs03.html.en |
| 21:14.10 | antoszka | teatime: looking, thx |
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| 21:15.14 | antoszka | I'm mostly interested in getting my partitioning reseedable to other servers, I've pretty much got the rest already. |
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| 21:15.40 | teatime | antoszka: the best advice is "Do not work off a debconf-get-selections (--installer) generated preseed.cfg but get the values from it and modify the example preseed file with them." re: generated preseed |
| 21:16.59 | teatime | hrm, well that should be pretty easy to do in the preseed text, or you can just do a pre script to do it. but perhaps that method will help some. |
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| 21:19.56 | antoszka | teatime: Cool, thanks. |
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| 21:56.20 | spaceman | anybody else have issues installing 32 bit wine along with the regular packages? |
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| 21:57.35 | teatime | spaceman: it's more helpful if you show exactly what you were trying to do, and what error message you received |
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| 22:00.28 | petn-randall | spaceman: Welcome back! Once you provided the following, let's carry on: |
| 22:00.30 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 22:00.30 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 22:06.22 | spaceman | what do a,b and c stand for in apt-cache policy? |
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| 22:07.37 | bites | archive, barchitecture and component |
| 22:09.51 | spaceman | thanks . . |
| 22:09.56 | bites | but you might want to answer petn-randall's request if you want help. |
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| 23:20.01 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm installing a new Debian 9 machine and as usual, am having problems getting bonding working. I don't understand the error it's giving me: "bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves" Of course it has slaves! That's the point! |
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| 23:21.08 | Pegasus_RPG | I tried commenting out the slaves line but that doesn't help |
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| 23:26.42 | teatime | Pegasus_RPG: Could you please upload your /etc/network/interfaces (to something like paste.debian.net or termbin.com) |
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| 23:34.51 | Pegasus_RPG | teatime: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/47914ab5/ |
| 23:35.12 | Pegasus_RPG | the "manual" business was just to test |
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| 23:37.43 | teatime | have you rebooted since adding the configuration? |
| 23:38.08 | teatime | if you don't ifdown before editing interfaces, ifupdown usually gets in a weird state |
| 23:40.46 | Pegasus_RPG | teatime: yes, multiple times since changing things |
| 23:41.34 | teatime | kk, just making sure we had clean slate/state. |
| 23:41.36 | Pegasus_RPG | Another weird thing is that I had to add bonding to /etc/modules |
| 23:41.55 | Pegasus_RPG | (It's not auto-loading) |
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| 23:43.04 | Pegasus_RPG | So i keep getting [ 293.878853] bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves |
| 23:43.04 | Pegasus_RPG | sh: echo: I/O error |
| 23:43.04 | Pegasus_RPG | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 23:43.04 | Pegasus_RPG | ifup: failed to bring up bond0 |
| 23:45.21 | Pegasus_RPG | Web searches just turn up more people with the same problem and no solutions |
| 23:46.04 | Pegasus_RPG | perhaps I need to do something like auto enp66s0, iface manual, bond-master bond0 ? |
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| 23:48.35 | teatime | you may try putting the enp66s0 and ens1f1 config after the bond0 config, and temporarily commenting out the inet6 line |
| 23:49.02 | teatime | although, looks like the former should already be the case. |
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| 23:51.09 | metastable | Pegasus_RPG: You're specifying slaves incorrectly. |
| 23:52.11 | Pegasus_RPG | What is correct? (I have many other boxes on Debian 8 configured this way, though they call their interfaces ethX) |
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| 23:52.21 | Pegasus_RPG | metastable: ^ |
| 23:52.23 | metastable | Pegasus_RPG: You're using ifenslave, yes? |
| 23:52.27 | Pegasus_RPG | metastable: yes |
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| 23:52.56 | Pegasus_RPG | This is my first Debian 9 box I'm trying to configure |
| 23:53.01 | metastable | http://paste.debian.net/1009428/ |
| 23:53.25 | metastable | Pegasus_RPG: You no longer need the 'manual' iface stanzas for the bonded interfaces, and the bond-* syntax was incorrect. That file should serve your needs. |
| 23:54.38 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh, so bond-slaves (and bond- everything instead of bond_) ? |
| 23:54.46 | metastable | Pretty much. |
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| 23:56.11 | Pegasus_RPG | still not working, same error |
| 23:56.14 | Pegasus_RPG | grrr |
| 23:56.29 | metastable | You might want to restart the system. |
| 23:56.38 | metastable | If the interfaces are already controlled by a bond, things get wonky. |
| 23:57.22 | metastable | slaves vs bond-slaves means that the enslaved interfaces aren't controlled by ifenslave, and ifenslave will politely refuse to tamper with them. |
| 23:57.51 | Pegasus_RPG | reboots again |
| 23:58.09 | annadane | reboot? what is this, windows?!? |
| 23:58.27 | elektron | must have updated the kernel? |
| 23:59.17 | RoyK | - your mouse moved. windows must be restarted for the change to take effect |
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| 23:59.51 | teatime | it's possible to avoid the reboot, but then you have to question both your attempt to reset state and your configuration as possible causes of <immediate failure> |
| 23:59.56 | teatime | if that makes sense. |
| 23:59.59 | metastable | bond slave interfaces get weird when you try to change the bond configuration while the system's running. |